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I feel that going into space is a wasteful and fruitless concept. There is no way we could gain anything with exception of them minerals in the spaces (which even then it would be nearly impossible). Interstellar travel isn't likely, and at no point will humans all band together to make some sort of "space empire". I don't see the use of space missions aside from researching zero G things.
Discuss, gentlemen.
I agree.
PhD here. I fully agree.
>inb4 sci fi escapist children with no education whatsoever start to spam straw man insults
Resources on this planet will be eventually spent / fucked up by the inevitable nuclear war ; where do you propose we search for resources , what do you propose we do when they run out ?
>inb4 ">>>/x/"
I feel that going over seas is a wasteful and fruitless concept. There is no way we could gain anything with exception of them minerals on other continents (which even then it would be nearly impossible). Intercontinental travel isn't likely, and at no point will humans all band together to make some sort of "naval empire". I don't see the use of ocean voyages aside from researching fish and other things.
Discuss, gentlemen.
PhD here. I fully agree
>inb4 scifi escapist children with no education whatsoever start to spam straw man insults
damn, right on the spot
OP and OP fags forgetting about history or not knowing it at all
This kind of bullshit is exactly what I predicted in >>6563295.
The situation in sea travel was entirely different from space travel. Your combined ignorance of history, geography, economics, astronomy and critical thinking disgusts me.
1. Sea ships are and were always significantly cheaper than space shuttles. A mission costed almost nothing and the resources weren't wasted because the ship was not driven by expensive fuels and it returned someday. Literally the only costs were food for the sailors.
2. Back then in the times of oversea exploration we didn't know the geography over there. There was a lot of previously unknown land to explore. In space travel however we know exactly where we can realistically go. Thanks to astronomy we know our solar system pretty well already and using the laws of physics we can accurately estimate how fast we could travel and how far. The conclusion is that it's not worth it. Within our reach there is not much interesting to find in space.
We already wasted enough money on the race to the moon which was effectively pretty useless except for propaganda purposes. Nobody is gonna pay for even more fruitless endeavours. Deal with it, sci fi kids. Welcome to reality. I hope one day you'll grow up, lay down that escapism nonsense and embrace some real science.
>resources will eventually be used up
>better waste more of them to realize fruitless escapist fantasies
You're a fucking genius.
There are enough resources to ensure survival within this generation's lifetime. Everything happening after our death we don't need to care about.
>Let's all commit mass suicide guise, living is boring anyway
Is essentially what you're saying. We are going to run out of resources on earth at one point, or at least a lot of people will die because of the lack of them. We continue living because we might as well, there's no reason for us to be alive, so we may as well commit suicide, but we don't we carry on, going into space would allow us to carry on, unlimited (for all we know) resources provided we can get to and acquire them. Staying on earth is essentially suicide, so why don't you just take the short route and end it all now.
Even without the resources point, earth will be uninhabitable at one point regardless, and it will be swallowed by our sun.
>"It can't be done now so that means it will never happen" Nobody mentioned anything about it happening in this lifetime
>"We know where everything is already so that defeats the purpose of visiting"
uhm okay
you're just assuming we can't evermake it cheap enough so it's worth it, of course it's expensive now but we're working on it, same as Lord Kelvin claiming that we wouldn't ever make airplanes because it's too expensive and too clumsy and too inefficient because steam was the shit back then and he was right, up until somebody invented the combustion engine and suddenly it's worth it.
what if we build a space elevator and then we can have space travel just as we used to have sea ports, no re-entry needed, crafts aren't destroyed after one trip etc. etc.
the crafts themselves aren't super expensive since we don't need to launch them into orbit with a giant rocket anymore and when we start building factories out in space to build more things without needing to haul it off the earth to use it we'll probably end up making profit of it.
> There is no way we could gain anything
i want to interject with the fact that a whole slew of different tech we use today was made possible because of the space-race.
there is a massive cognitive dissonance between the cost of the space programs and the "intended" results. just because we didn't get what we expected we cannot dismiss what it brought us. also the in the entire history of NASA the most they have ever got out of federal funding is a whopping 4.41% and that was in '66, now it's closer to 0.5%. we've spent more running the military in a single year than we have spent on NASA in it's entirety.
spoken like a true gentleman, only with more harshness.
what about our kidz
That's such a constructive argument , moar plz ;
It is more of a problem that within our current reach, there is not much useful to go out there and get. Eventually, asteroid mining might be a truly profitable venture, but the first mining interest to get the right combination of asteroids in orbit will crash the market for everyone else and make such efforts no longer economically viable. Without revolutionary improvements in space habitats and self-enclosed habitats, there is no hope for space colonization in the conceivable future.
Continental colonization and space colonization are radically different. In the first I can cross the ocean and cut down trees to make my house and hunt for food. Space colonization requires me to bring everything with me to a very hostile environment as there is no means of easily acquiring food, water, air, or building materials at the destination.
Actually Nasa plans on mining the moon for something more valuable than them minerals. There's something called helium 3 that comes from the sun. We don't get it on earth because we are protected, but the moon's surface is covered in it. I'm not sure how it works exactly, but you heat that stuff up and you got mass energy. -So there's mass energy in space aside from them minerals
I do think that asteroid mining will be the first reasonable venture into space
>Without revolutionary improvements in space habitats and self-enclosed habitats, there is no hope for space colonization in the conceivable future.
yeah but you can only get those revolutionary improvements through practice
There are enough resources on this planet to last for this generation, so *we* don't give a shit about space travel. But one day there won't be and those scientists will be thinking of ways to get the fuck out of here
>Resources on this planet will be eventually spent / fucked up by the inevitable nuclear war ; where do you propose we search for resources , what do you propose we do when they run out ?
You reduce population, idiot. By war and starvation and overall neglect. This is by far the cheaper option, and is in fact the option that's chosen EVERY TIME by our nasty race of violent simian bastards.
a few weeks ago I saw Mars out of my window
at first I didn't know what it was - it was small, but not a tiny point like a star, it was bigger than that; a tiny orange circle, just hanging there
it's hard to explain what i was thinking but it was something like 'oh look, Mars is just over there'
i usually think about space as something which is up and away from me, out of reach somehow
but this was really different, I could see Mars right there, in front of me, I could wave at a Martian from where I was sitting
and I was aware that the sun was illuminating mars and not me, because it was behind Earth, I could feel it there suddenly
it was a bit like the thing where from some coastlines on a clear day you can see the coastline opposite, and it suddenly feels much closer, the world feels smaller
anyway I think of space differently now
>1. Sea ships are and were always significantly cheaper than space shuttles. A mission costed almost nothing and the resources weren't wasted because the ship was not driven by expensive fuels and it returned someday. Literally the only costs were food for the sailors.
This is wrong on so many levels i don't even know where to start.
>yeah but you can only get those revolutionary improvements through practice
I am not advocating stopping space exploration, but it is unlikely for there to be any substantial colonization efforts within our lifetime. I add the caveat of "without revolutionary changes" as the continued work will lead to gradual improvement and it should eventually be workable, but not within the foreseeable future unless someone comes along and spontaneously develops a nearly perfect enclosed, self-sustaining environment.
>There are enough resources on this planet to last for this generation
Depends upon the resource. Helium reserves are rapidly being depleted and no existing viable method of making more, we may need to go elsewhere to get the helium required for a wide range of scientific, medical and industrial applications.
those who think space is a waste of time clearly has no idea what's up there
>hur satalites are a waste of time
> micro gravity research is a waste of time
the massive amount of resources contained in one good asteroid is enough to pay for the the entire initial investment
>"One of these asteroids, according to Lewis, would contain 30 million tons of nickel, 1.5 million tons of metal cobalt and 7,500 tons of platinum. The platinum alone would have a value of more than $150 billion."
>"I feel"
>the massive amount of resources contained in one good asteroid is enough to pay for the the entire initial investment
the exorbitant high cost of the initial investment assures that it will never occur, nor is competency of spending that initial investment to actually attain the objective an assurance.
your assumption also rests on the presumption that it is physically possible to construct a perfect system to deliver them to market which is also unproven.
Well then I hope you can stop an asteroid the size of the moon. Or better yet, stop the moon when some terrorist group manages to take control of it and bring it hurtling towards the earth, where we all reside unless we spread humanity elsewhere.
>I feel that going into space is a wasteful and fruitless concept
He says while posting on a computer networked with other computers based on simple protocols developed as a result of a Space Race.
>There is no way we could gain anything with exception of them minerals in the spaces
He says while sitting with a cell phone in his pocket that is linked to communication satellites orbiting the earth.
Nearly everything in your life has benefited directly from space travel. There are the specific (overused) examples like Tang, cell phones, and velcro, of course, but have you ever stopped to think how satellites have benefited logistics and shipping? Everything you own or eat was most likely on a ship, truck, plane, or train at some point. All of those things use satellite networks to move products from point A to point B more efficiently and more cheaply. Space exploration has done nothing but benefit us on Earth.
Explain to me why I should disregard this entire post.
NASA has no such plans, it has public relations fluff on a variety of topics that percolate through the newsosphere.
the problem with mining H3 is that there are no fusion reactors that use it in operation or in the planing stages of coming online, nor are such reactors assured to be positively functional and superior to competitive power generation concepts, nor are the costs of moon mining known or is there any entity on earth with any likely prospect of attempting to mine the moon for the stuff. the earth's grid is completely non-aligned to make use for it.
The things you mention, satellites, computers(misattribution to space), are DONE. They now exist on continuities that are independent of "space exploration".
Success is not and never has been a reason to stop. It is only a reason to continue.
Go read a book of inspirational quotes, you'll find more worthless feel good pablum there.
>can't think of a good counterargument
>"go read a book"
What's the point of building these "flying machines" anyway? Everyone knows that objects heavier than air cannot fly.
>at no point will humans all band together to make some sort of "space empire"
Why would banding together be needed? Did USA rise into superpower by co-operative effort of 15th century powers?
Some things are not worth doing. Not everything is airplanes.
>the exorbitant high cost of the initial investment
The problem with your side of the argument is, as always, that you're looking at past launch prices as examples of how expensive it is and always will be to launch stuff into space. There's a common misconception that it's the energy costs that make it expensive, which isn't true at all.
See, we got started with missiles. So our space technology is based on throwaway missiles. That's what makes it expensive: very high performance, sophisticated vehicles, made of costly materials to exacting specifications, being used once and then thrown away.
Rockets necessarily have to be big tanks of propellant. But most of the mass of that propellant is cheap liquid oxygen -- basically just chilled air. So the energy cost is not so terribly high. It's actually not that much worse than intercontinental flight.
When the launch vehicle is efficiently reusable, cost of launching to orbit can be mere dollars per kilogram, rather than thousands of dollars per kilogram. Once you're in orbit, a lot of other options become possible, which allow you to move mass with a minimum of propellant brought from Earth. Once you establish propellant production on the moon, or with a captured asteroid in Earth orbit, it can be brought to orbiting gas stations.
It's not going to be ruinously expensive to build a real space industry. It just requires a few tens of billion dollars, invested carefully and competently over time. Those investments are being made. Current progress is satisfactory.
Originally electricity was to amuse people and had no practical application whatsoever, then we realised something:
You can apply your rote argument to any and every human endeavour.
Not everything is electricity.
You can apply that shortsighted argument to any and every human endeavour [sic].
Not everything is 4chan.
Humans will be long gone by then
> Not everything is electricity.
Yes, it is.
You're one of those guys who argues that thanks to the electroweak unification, Magneto should be able to turn protons into neutrons, aren't you?
Actually, electrons and protons are the same thing. No need to transform anything.
Sorry, I don't get your joke.
Is this something to do with "electric universe" crackpottery?
>race to the moon
Yes, because the catalyst for the miniaturization of technology had no pay off at all, and no revolutionary technology has ever been created as a result of the space program.
I'm not that guy or the guy you're describing, but I recently spent some time on /co/. Turns out Magneto's powers are really inconsistent from writer to writer.
I just checked out "Mining the Sky" by John S. Lewis (1996); a book about asteroid mining. I expect to be enlightened on this topic presently.
Personally, I think asteroid mining will only be of use when we make a concerted effort to create a mostly self-sufficient space economy. Stuff mined outside the gravity well should stay outside the gravity well. Basic physics applied to economics, really.
>I don't see
yeah, we know
You're basically right OP.
>1. Sea ships are and were always significantly cheaper than space shuttles. A mission costed almost nothing and the resources weren't wasted because the ship was not driven by expensive fuels and it returned someday. Literally the only costs were food for the sailors.
One note here - if you convert the cost of the Mayflower voyage, as a percentage of GDP, to that of the modern day, it's actually in the same league of expense as plausible estimates for spaceflight. You actually start reaching the point where space colonies cost as much as prior colonies, as a percentage of GDP in initial funding, in the $500-$1000 per pound range. This is cheap, but not unreachable.
Don't have one, sadly. I heard it in Jeff Greason's keynote talk at the latest ISDC, but it doesn't seem to have made it on to Youtube.
>A mission costed almost nothing and the resources weren't wasted because the ship was not driven by expensive fuels and it returned someday. Literally the only costs were food for the sailors.
Revisionism to support muh libertarian economcis general.
One thing the
>muh colonies
people seem to have forgotten is that the colonies were built as wealth extraction. Their purpose was to ship as much wealth home as possible. That's never going to be feasible for extraterrestrial colonies. Some businesses might make money off of it, sure, but at the end of the day someone is throwing money down a pit for the dubious privilege of having people on Mars.
You MIGHT see robotic or teleoperated asteroid harvesting, or shitty space hotels for tourists.
It will be easier to build a colony on the moon than to convince people to stop having kids or to kill people in quelling our overpopulation problems.
It also sounds better to mine minerals from space than to cut down forests to mine minerals, which we currently do.
Well, maybe these arguments won't convince anyone, but going into space is pretty cool.
Ultimately a lot of beautiful things are wasteful. We don't need TV, we don't need to pay people millions of dollars to pay sports so fatasses can sit at home and watch, we don't need art or music or weed or cigs or beer. Ultimately if your argument is pragmatic, we should all do nothing but buy food, water, air, housing, and condoms.
As humans, we do not limit ourselves like that, because as humans we are better than that.
That is why we into space.
>people seem to have forgotten is that the colonies were built as wealth extraction. Their purpose was to ship as much wealth home as possible. That's never going to be feasible for extraterrestrial colonies. Some businesses might make money off of it, sure, but at the end of the day someone is throwing money down a pit for the dubious privilege of having people on Mars.
I don't think that follows. The Plymouth colonists, for instance, weren't blessed with any natural resources they didn't already have in England besides more abundant space. They still paid off the cost of the colony - not by access to any kind of McGuffinite (gold, tobacco, lunar helium-3) but just by doing work. Making stuff. Farming stuff. Shipping shit back. Remember comparative advantage - you can be worse than everybody else at making everything and STILL be a profitable exporter of goods.
And remind me, what was the moneymaking portion of the Mormon colony in Utah?
It might be, yes. But humans have always had curiosity on what is out there. If nothing, it's still going to continue just because of simple curiosity, and it's cool.
>1. Sea ships are and were always significantly cheaper than space shuttles. A mission costed almost nothing and the resources weren't wasted because the ship was not driven by expensive fuels and it returned someday. Literally the only costs were food for the sailors.
It's always really interesting that so many people who are interested in the physical sciences have little to no understanding of economics or human behavior that drives the economy.
The costs will NOT be much different than building a space ship. Why? Because the main cost of building a ship in the 1600s wasn't wood or canvas, which was chopped up or sewn by manual labour - it was the incredibly skilled labour for some roles on the ship, fashion certain essential parts, direct the building operation, etc.
It's the same situation today - the engineers, project managers, and the salaries/prices demanded by manufacturers of specialized parts.
Considering as it is about as easy today to get boatloads of ores and fuels together due to technology as it was 400 years ago to get tons of certain woods and metal fittings together, the actual material costs shouldn't be very different.
>I don't think that follows. The Plymouth colonists, for instance, weren't blessed with any natural resources they didn't already have in England besides more abundant space.
America was also habitable by humans. Every other planet in the solar system is simply uninhabitable at best and outright hostile at worst. The simple costs involved with keeping people alive would outstrip any potential profit - and there's very little potential to begin with.
As to the Mormons, they are irrelevant; the US was already a sovereign nation by the time they became a thing. Expanding your borders is not the same thing as trying to transplant and grow a new society.
Wasn't able to find a source for that particular claim, but I can find the data to make the assertion myself.
According to
The initial funding for the Pilgrim's voyage was around 1600 pounds, but they kept making more monetary demands from their investors and their debt may have been as high as 7000 pounds.
The total GDP of England at that time, according to
was around 36.5 million pounds.
So the Plymouth colony took up about 0.0002 of England's GDP at the time.
Multiply that percentage by America's current GDP, and it turns out that - as a percentage of the total wealth available - this is equivalent to a cost of around $3 billion.
This means that, given that the Mayflower had around 102 passengers, this came out to an equivalent cost of $29 million per colonist.
(Jeff said $27 million, so I'm probably using about the same numbers he did.)
Jeff said that the typical amount per colonist on these ventures was around 2 tons of shit each, to which he added additional shit for life-support and suchwise, to compensate for the fact that the Moon and Mars are less habitable than the East Coast. His estimates were around 2 additional tons for Mars, and 4 additional tons for the Moon. (He did not give sources for these numbers, saying that he could fill a whole other talk explaining how he got them.)
So let's go with the Moon, and say 6 tons per person. That means you gotta launch around 6 tons of shit into space for $27 million each, which comes out to around $5,000 per kilogram.
Since this is actually a lot more generous than Jeff's number, I assume he's also taken a lot of additional things into consideration.
Also, colonialism itself was based on ideas that are mostly outdated and not really applicable anymore.
Also, there actually are very real potential revenue streams for a lunar colony, so I wouldn't discount its profitability.
(And remember - Richard Garriot made $5 million while up on the ISS. It took more than five million dollars to buy the ticket, but think of it this way - if the cost of a ticket to orbit was less than five mil, going to space would actually have been profitable. Partially this is just because space is rare, but as the price of a ticket drops, the amount of things it becomes affordable to DO in space also rise. At some point - probably a little less than a million a ticket to LEO - it becomes consistently profitable to send people to space for economic and business reasons.)
I agreee with OP.
Sailing across the oceans is a wasteful and fruitless concept. There is no way we could gain anything with exception to -
Oh fuck, someone else got to it before me. >>6563301
>PhD here. I
piled higher in what??? advanced basket weaving?
are you one of those morons who actually believe we drive flaming dump trucks full of cash into orbit?
the money spent on the "space race" was spent mostly employing people. the technological spin-offs are too many to name and the ROI (return on investment) for NASA ranges from $7 to $40 returned to the american economy for every $1 invested depending on who you ask... so WTF is your problem?
The closest solar system to ours is over 4 light years away. We would never be able to go that distance, and that solar system does not even have a planet in the habitable zone. We could never have a "space empire" without reaching another solar system.
B-b-but someone needs to launch them telecommunication satellites so we can download moar porn.
>We would never be able to go that distance
How do you know?
>we could never have a "space empire"
>When all else fails, make up an argument for your opponent and just criticize that. You can make them look really dumb that way and come off looking smart and reasonable.
Because there is no middle ground between "space exploration" and "space empire." And obviously everyone in this thread is just kiddie sci-fi futurists. You can tell by how many times everyone has suggested we build a "space empire." instead of just trying to gather resources.
Who gives a shit about how far the closest solar system is? It's not like we're going to run out of space in this one, even with full-blown space colonization.
All technology you use on a daily basis has been because of space exploration. Hospital instrumentation, smartphones, GPS. Its because space exploration. Earth has a lifespan. We will eventually encounter something or someone that is going to destroy us. Where would we be if we never left the trees? Where would we be if we never left the cave?
The technological advancements are unimaginable.
Thats what they said about global warming and look where we are now.
>inb4 global warmings not real.
shut the fuck up this isnt /pol/
There is nothing in quantum or theoretical physics that prevents us from creating a worm hole. Sure we probably wont have the technology for 100,000+ years, but you gotta start somewhere
Dude, the solar system is fucking huge. The estimated carrying capacity of its resources is over a hundred billion billion human beings.
We are not possibly going to run out of space, stuff, or energy here.
We already have a ring of trash around the earth, you dont think after 100k+ years of off earth colonization we'll have a clean solar system? When you have a finite amount of space, you will eventually run out of space.
I aint gonna lie, i ride Neil Tyson's dick, and i know that guy agrees.
and im not kidding, that is EXACTLY what they said about global warming.
By the time we're genuinely harnessing the resources of the solar system at capacity, the task of sending anyone to another star system becomes absolutely trivial anyway. The cost of building a ship? The asteroid 16 Psyche contains enough pure metal to build a hundred full-scale replica Death Stars. The cost of launching it? The kinetic energy to get a 100,000 ton colony ship up to half the speed of light? 0.3% of what the Sun puts out in a single second.
In the incomprehensibly far future where we really do strain the capacity of the Solar System's incomprehensible wealth, the capacity to leave is a trivial portion of those resources.
It seems frivolous to me as no planet anywhere near here is habitable. When the most habitable planet is 500 light years away and we have yet to discover how to go at the speed of light let alone faster than it, it's almost impossible to think that we could ever achieve such a thing
Holy shit /sci/ you are cesspool of intellectual wankery shitposting in this thread for what is supposedly a science board.
I believe that there are business applications - tourism, mining, transport, telecoms.
I believe that there are social applications - connectivity, travel (walk<drive<fly<space), colonialism.
I believe that there are military applications -
I believe that there are continued survival applications - eventual population density, resource scarcity.
But most importantly I think it comes down to this:
>By trying to do things that we can't do now and developing, refining and applying the technologies we use to do those things in other areas we improve our overall quality of life as a race.
>See 'applications of technologies developed for spaceflight'.
When we're using technologies derived from solar sails you'll still be saying spaceflight is pointless i'm sure.
i think the human imagination knows no bounds, that we are capable of so, so much. because we exist we have a real incentive and responsibility to spread our seed as far and wide as we can, to become universal citizens, lasting for eons of time. i see no end to the human race. perhaps now it is of value to focus our entire efforts and economy on minimizing the advance of global climate change, in order to survive until we achieve something akin to world peace. yet perhaps it is of more value in this highly diverse global society to develop everything everyone can be interested in to near perfection, as we are doing so well with trade, music, science, medicine, etc. of course we have a ways to go, but probably the best way we know of advancing is exercising our talents and skills, building our space program. i believe it all is possible, teleportation and godlike scientific advancement. we just need to keep on it, always, meeting challenge like we always do, together finding the answers.
How justified are comparisons to the past, sci?
Is it scientifically to say
hurr in 1500 BC we didn't even think of X and then BANG! we got shittones of profit durr
Is it reasonable to extrapolate in such rough manor?
Is the reason that we got so much profit of sea explorations appropriate for the space travel?
I guess you wouldn't say y(3) = 16 having just y(1)=2, y(2)=4, would you?
This is what happens when /sci/ tries to discuss a business topic.
>business topic
>field that needs government subsidies
When it doesn't we can start talking about profitability, for now we need to get it there.
Since we're talking about the future of venturing into space, it is reasonable to expect it being profitable (thus not requiring government subsidies anymore) due to the chance of laying a hand on the resources on asteroids and shits.
Basically we'd be having something similar to gold fever, so yes it's a business topic.
Actually, there are all kinds of space laws and treaties out there that discourage private space endeavors. That's why you aren't seeing too many investors. Not to mention that the materials can be hard to obtain.
>field that needs government subsidies [to survive]
>fast food
>your argument is invalid
it doesn't need government subsidies, it just has them now.
One of my favorites. Keep OP in mind while reading the introduction.
What's the point in doing anything? What makes spending resources on research, exploration, and furthering human understanding any more important than spending resources on developing new technologies for an already technology obsessed, spoiled society?
We're the only creatures on Earth that can reach outer space of our own free will
>lol implying free will exists
, we're the only creatures who can research and understand our surroundings, what they're made of, how they work, even why they exist. Why not continue to learn and study with our brief time on this Earth?


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Nearly half of UK wants to see 100% mortgages: YouGov
By Gary Adams & Emma Lunn
Latest polling data from YouGov shows that 48 per cent of the UK population think re-introducing 100 per cent mortgages is a good idea.
The research, which polled the views of 9,713 British adults, asked whether mortgages that don't require a deposit because banks lend borrowers the entire cost of a home where a good idea, a bad idea, or if they didn't know.
While almost half of those polled believed this category of mortgage to be a good idea, 32 per cent said that it was a bad idea, with a not-insignificant 20 per cent saying that they don't know.
With the different age brackets, the variance in those thinking it a good idea ranged from 46 per cent of those aged 18-24 responding positively, to 49 per cent of those aged 65 and over.
Starker discrepancies can be found among those thinking it a bad idea, of which 22 per cent in the 18-24 age bracket agreed, versus 37 per cent aged 65 and over.
Broken down regionally, 51 per cent of people asked in Scotland said it was a good idea, while the region with the lowest enthusiasts was in London, at 45 per cent.
The poll also shows that females were more likely to be a proponent of 100 per cent mortgages, with 52 per cent thinking they are a good idea versus 44 per cent of males and, politically, 52 per cent of labour voters were keen, while conservatives clocked the lowest amount, at 46 per cent.
Some lenders already offer 100 per cent mortgages, although these either insist on having a parent act as a guarantor or that they put some of their own money into a ring-fenced account to act as security.
For example, Marsden Building Society's Family Step mortgages lends at 100 per cent LTV mortgage, albeit with 20 per cent security from family through savings or property.
Earlier this month, the Building Societies Association recommended building societies and lenders "revisit the case" for 100 per cent loan-to-value mortgages, in addressing the role of intergenerational lending in the mortgage market.
Legal & General Mortgage Club head of lender relationships Danny Belton comments: "The thinking and rationale behind the return of 100 per cent LTV mortgages is interesting, but this is not the solution to the current issues facing first time buyers.
"At the very least it would mean lenders would have to significantly increase the amount of capital they would be required to hold, which is just not sustainable. What would be more beneficial is for more buyers to utilise schemes such as shared ownership and Help to Buy, or even make use of a guarantor mortgages."

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Fasten your seatbelts, or hold on to your earrings. The Indian gold industry is set to spring to life thanks to the government's liberalised approach to mining, the plans that private miners are finalising for the country, and the fact that there could be huge reserves of gold lying in wait for them, untapped and little-known.
The Supreme Court ruling on the need for a transparent auction policy for natural assets gave a fillip to the sector. More private mines are being set up. And there is a possibility that mining will spread to regions outside the traditional strongholds of southern India.
Industry experts say that the potential for gold recovery from ore lying in heaps around older gold mines – especially the now-defunct Kolar, in Karnataka – could be huge. Indians' insatiable passion for the yellow metal will ensure that prices don't fall any time soon, incentive enough for more players to get into the game.
This perfect, and pleasant, storm of factors could lead to a gold rush in a country that loves gold. Investors would do well to keep it on their radar. And it wouldn't be a minute too soon. Chinese gold production has vaulted 150 times in the last 24 years, while India's has been stagnant.
Rising prices
There is a buzz in the markets that gold prices could get firmer in the coming days. They have been firming up for some time already.
The reasons sound logical, even plausible. But it must be remembered that markets do not necessarily follow logic. Speculation can be quite whimsical at times, defying almost every explanation. We would therefore like to re-emphasise that the reasons listed below are not to be construed as a recommendation for a 'buy'.
For the rest of this article: https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/economy/comment-private-players-new-tech-new-mines-a-gold-rush-may-be-upon-us-2574353.html


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June 21, 2006
CALL TO ORDER (by Mayor Hartfield at 7:30 pm)
(by Mayor Hartfield at 7:30 pm)
Those responding to the roll call were Councilmembers Barsky, McGowan, Mershon, O'Keefe, Tegtmeyer, Vice Mayor Herman and Mayor Hartfield; Manager Holycross, and Law Director Crites.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA (7:31 pm)
(7:31 pm)
Councilmember Barsky moved to accept the agenda as presented. Seconded by Councilmember Tegtmeyer. Motion carried (7-0).
CITIZENS COMMENTS (7:31 pm)
(7:31 pm)
Minxie and Jim Fannin
Mr. Fannin explained that they are historical preservation consultants and they began work at the Granville Cemetery in 1991 by invitation of Flo Hoffman and the late Carl Frazier. He stated that they have had a great working relationship with the Village staff and interns and this is the first time they have ever presented before Council in the fifteen years that they have been coming to Granville from Massachusetts. Ms. Fannin stated that they have restored approximately 529 stones and each stone is recorded in a binder stored at the Granville Historical Society for anyone to see. She stated that the binder depicts the stone as it once was and how it is after being restored. Ms. Fannin stated that thanks to a local Granville pharmacists in the late 1800's, records that were kept were very accurate and have aided them in identifying markings on older stones. She went on to say that these records helped in attaining the National Registry status that the cemetery now has. Mr. Fannin stated that they will be working at the cemetery the rest of this week and all of next week from 7:00am – 3:30pm and he invited anyone interested to visit them there during those hours. Councilmember Tegtmeyer inquired on how many more stones need to be restored. Ms. Fannin guessed somewhere between 100 to 150. Mayor Hartfield asked how many stones they plan to restore during this visit. Ms. Fannin stated about 25 or 30. Vice Mayor Herman asked if there have been any surprising findings while completing their restoration work. Mr. Fannin stated that they did discover a large flat stone left behind because the cadaver was moved to Maple Grove Cemetery. Councilmember Barsky stated that Mr. and Mrs. Fannin have also done restoration work at Maple Grove and Phillips Cemetery.
Todd Corbin, Public Safety Group, LLC –
Mr. Corbin handed out information about his company to Council. He stated that he uses a three part process to remove white-tailed deer from municipalities by sharp shooting using a rifle. Mr. Corbin stated that he also handles getting the needed approval from ODNR. He stated that he is a certified rifle instructor and has many years experience with hunting and specifically sharp shooting. Mr. Corbin stated that the Metro Parks have recently started using sharp shooters to control their deer population. Councilmember Barsky inquired on what happens with the deer carcasses. Mr. Corbin stated that the deer meat is donated to charity. Councilmember OKeefe asked what the cost would be. Mr. Corbin explained that the cost varies depending on the percentage of the deer herd you want reduced. He stated that he typically does an analysis with cameras that determines the size and location of the herd. Councilmember McGowan asked if any nearby communities have utilized his services. Mr. Corbin stated that Solon, Ohio is the only community in Ohio where 1000 deer were removed in two years. He stated that he did not do the work in Solon. Councilmember Tegtmeyer asked if it is still effective to remove part of the herd just within the Village limits, or would it require going outside of the Village. Mr. Corbin stated that typically you can create a void in an area that the deer do not return to. He stated that there is one Metro Park that had an area cleared and they haven't had any deer problems in ten years. Councilmember OKeefe asked if Mr. Corbin is familiar with the Granville area. Mr. Corbin stated that his family has property in Granville and he is familiar with the area. Mayor Hartfield stated that they did have a survey and the response was favorable to have something done to control the deer population. She suggested that the matter go to the Street and Sidewalks Committee where Mr. Corbin could give a more in-depth presentation. Mr. Corbin stated that a doe is likely to have up to 62 off-spring within five years. Vice Mayor Herman asked Mr. Corbin why he would consider himself more of an expert in this area than say a hunter using bow and arrows. Mr. Corbin stated that he recently took some additional classes through the NRA and he has shot for 25 years, some of those years being competitively. Vice Mayor Herman asked if other people from Mr. Corbin's company would be working with him. Mr. Corbin stated that he would use two other sharp shooters that he personally trains to his standards. Councilmember OKeefe asked Mr. Corbin if he contacts neighbors when he is shooting. Mr. Corbin stated that he would need to work with property owners once he determines the location of a herd and he uses thermal imaging and silencers. He stated that he prefers to work during the night hours.
Mayor Hartfield closed Citizens' Comments at 7:58 pm.
2007 County Tax Budget
No one appeared to speak for or against the 2007 County Tax Budget. Mayor Hartfield closed the Public Hearing at 8:00 pm.
Resolution No. 06-31, A Resolution To Adopt The 2007 County Tax Budget As Proposed And To Direct The Village Manager To Submit It To The County Auditor was introduced by Councilmember Barsky. Second by Vice Mayor Herman.
, A Resolution To Adopt The 2007 County Tax Budget As Proposed And To Direct The Village Manager To Submit It To The County Auditor was introduced by Councilmember Barsky. Second by Vice Mayor Herman.
Discussion: Vice Mayor Herman reiterated that this is not a binding agreement, but rather a formality and it gives Council a sense of what some of the expenditures might be. Manager Holycross agreed. Councilmember Barsky asked how close the income values are to being accurate. Manager Holycross stated that Assistant Manager Roberts based the numbers on trends and past figures.
Motion carried (7-0). Resolution No. 06-31 is adopted.
Ordinance No. 05-06, An Ordinance To Revise The Codified Ordinances By Adopting Current Replacement Pages, And Declaring An Emergency was introduced by Councilmember Tegtmeyer. Second by Councilmember McGowan.
Discussion: Vice Mayor Herman asked why the Ordinance needed to be declared as an emergency. Manager Holycross stated that they decided to submit the Ordinance to Council as the company presented it to them. He stated that it is a standard Ordinance and he does not see the need to have an emergency clause. Law Director Crites agreed that an emergency clause was not necessary.
Councilmember Mershon made a motion to remove the emergency clause and delete Section 4. He stated that the Ordinance should read that it is in effect from the earliest date permitted by law. Seconded by Councilmember McGowan.
Roll Call for Amendment: Hartfield (yes), Herman (yes), Tegtmeyer (yes), OKeefe (yes), Mershon (yes), McGowan (yes), Barsky (yes).
Motion carries (7-0). Ordinance No. 05-06 is amended.
Mayor Hartfield scheduled the public hearing on Ordinance No. 05-06 for July 5, 2006.
Special Meeting – May 31, 2006
Councilmember Tegtmeyer made a motion to remove the minutes from the Table. Second by Vice Mayor Herman. Councilmember Barsky moved to accept the minutes as amended. Seconded by Councilmember Tegtmeyer. Motion carried 7-0.
Regularly Scheduled Meeting of June 7, 2006.
Councilmember Mershon moved to accept the minutes as amended. Seconded by McGowan. Motion carried 7-0.
MAYOR'S COURT REPORT – May
The Mayor's Court Report for the month of May was presented for review.
Discussion: Council noted the increase in seatbelt violations. Mayor Hartfield stated that there has been a campaign to increase awareness about wearing a seatbelt.
Councilmember Barsky moved to accept the May report, seconded by Councilmember OKeefe. Motion carried 7-0.
Mayor Hartfield instructed the report be filed with the Clerk. A copy of the said report is included as part of these minutes.
MANAGER'S REPORT – May
The Manager's Report for the month of May was presented for review.
Discussion: Vice Mayor Herman stated that there was a large tree in front of the College Town House that was removed and there appeared to be no evidence of rotting. He asked Manager Holycross to see what the rationale was for removing the tree. Councilmember Barsky stated that she would like to know if the property owner (Denison University) was made aware that the Village would be removing the tree. She stated that the Tree and Landscape Ordinances state that the property owner should be notified prior to the removal of any tree. Councilmember OKeefe stated that she is aware of some pine trees in the Village where the tops were removed by AEP and now they are dying.
Councilmember OKeefe noted 90 hours in sick leave from someone in the Service Department. She asked if someone was ill. Manager Holycross stated that he would look into this and get back to Council.
Vice Mayor Herman moved to accept the May report, seconded by Councilmember Barsky. Motion carried 7-0.
Mayor Hartfield instructed the report be filed with the Clerk. A copy of said report is included as part of these minutes.
Economic, Finance, Personnel Committee (EFP) – (Herman, Mershon, Tegtmeyer)
No Report.
Granville Foundation – (Tegtmeyer)
Councilmember Tegtymeyer asked anyone interested in participating in the 4th of July parade to please contact her.
Light, Safety, Sts/Sidewalks, Utility Committee (LSSU) – (Hartfield, Herman, McGowan)
Mayor Hartfield stated that a meeting date needs to be set.
Planning Commission – (O'Keefe)
Councilmember OKeefe stated that there was approval for signs for Remax Realty and Denison University. She stated that there was also approval for a fence around Monamoy. Councilmember OKeefe stated that there was discussion over a proposed addition/garage for a home on the corner of North Plum St. and Broadway and the footprint increase is 40%. She stated that the matter will go back to the BZBA Board due to a missed step in the process.
Planning & Zoning Committee – (Barsky, Mershon, O'Keefe)
No Report.
Comprehensive Plan – (Barsky)
Councilmember Barsky stated that they looked at the survey questions. She stated that public announcements about the survey should be made. She stated that they will begin the telephone portion of the survey in early July. Councilmember Barsky and Manager Holycross discussed the costs to mail the written part of the survey. Councilmember Barsky stated that she believed the mailing would consist of two sheets of paper – maybe three. She stated that the Village has budgeted $50,000 for the Comprehensive Plan survey and the Township may not be sharing the costs for the written portion of the survey.
Recreation Commission – (McGowan)
No Report.
Senior Committee – (O'Keefe)
No Report.
SR 161 Accord (O'Keefe, Tegtmeyer)
Councilmember OKeefe stated that she attended the June 15th meeting and very few people were there. She stated that MORPC has concern if people are interested in pursuing this. Councilmember OKeefe stated that Trustee Jim Havens invited members to come to Granville on July 20th at 7:30pm to see examples of good and bad development.
Tree & Landscape Commission (Barsky)
No Report.
Union Cemetery (Mershon)
Councilmember Mershon stated that they have had two work days the past two Saturdays. He stated that the Fannin's would appreciate any help while they are here this week and next week.
Trick-or-Treat –
Council set the date for Tuesday, October 31st from 5:30pm – 7:00pm.
Meeting cancellation –
Council opted to not cancel any upcoming meetings at this time.
4th of July Parade
Mayor Hartfield asked Council if they would like to have a float for the 4th of July parade. Council discussed the matter and decided that those who are able could walk in the parade. Council asked Manager Holycross to see if any signs were available for Council to use and to turn in the Kiwanis parade entry form.
Burg Street
Mayor Hartfield asked Manager Holycross to see if Burg Street would be opened during the 4th of July festivities. She stated that in the preliminary discussions, the contractor had agreed to make the road passable during this time. She stated that if it can be done without enormous effort and cost she would like to see it opened.
Community Center
Mayor Hartfield stated that she would like to have discussions with the Senior Committee, Bryn Du Commission, Teen Center and Recreation Commission in regards to a community center.
Amateur Radio Field Days
Councilmember Barsky stated that everyone is invited to COTC for the Amateur Radio Field Days – June 24th and 25th. She stated that they will be testing equipment used during Hurricane Katrina.
Tom Dority
Vice Mayor Herman stated that he was contacted by Tom Dority about conducting the evaluation for the hiring of Manager Holycross on July 12th. He stated that this ties into some strategic planning that the EFP Committee is working on and he would like to have a teleconference with Mayor Hartfield, Mr. Dority, Manager Holycross, and himself.
ADJOURNMENT (8:55 pm)
(8:55 pm)
Councilmember McGowan moved to adjourn. Second by Councilmember Barsky.
Motion carried, 7-0. Meeting adjourned.


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The Class 2-1A poll saw some shake-up this week as Olpe ascends to the No. 1 spot with a 36-28 win over No. 4 Troy, and No. 2 Ell-Saline advanced to the title game by holding off Phillipsburg 22-21. Phillipsburg, last week's top-ranked team, fumbled on the Ell-Saline 1-yard line with 13 seconds remaining to allow the Cardinals to move on to their first title game since an 8-man championship in 1989. Troy, ranked No. 2 a week ago, led 20-7 against Olpe in the second quarter before the Eagles rallied to take a 22-20 lead at halftime. Troy led 28-22 in the second half before the Eagles retook the lead.
Congratulations to the 2014 Eight-Man champion Central Plains Oilers and Victoria Knights. The two Central Prairie League rivals met in week one of the season in what resulted in a 42-24 win for the Oilers.
Central Plains won the 8-Man, Division I title with a 42-30 win over No. 2 Hanover. The Wildcats pulled to within 36-30 with 1:30 remaining, but Oiler wideout Layne Bieberle took a direct snap 45 yards for a game-sealing touchdown. Spearville ends the season ranked No. 3 after being eliminated 42-40 by Central Plains in the state quarterfinals. Osborne, the 2013 champions, finished ranked fourth, while 2012 champ Ness City is fifth.
Victoria held the high-powered Argonia-Attica offense to just eight points in the 52-8 championship victory. Sharon Springs-Wallace County finishes ranked No.2 after a 28-12 loss to Victoria in the semifinals. A&A is ranked third, while Axtell and Chetopa round out the Division II poll.
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Xhosa launched its new theme for Crop Over 2018 'Circle of Life' at the luxurious grounds of the NCC Botanical Gardens. We attended the launch to see whether the 'Circle of Life' launch party would signal a turnaround for this beleaguered brand or would it actually be the #XhosaFarewellParty, especially if Xhosa did not fend off the demons of its past to reach for a bright new future.
To start, Xhosa's theme was promising. We looked forward to seeing how the band would interpret the theme with its costumes and presentation. Xhosa has already had fantastic presentations, notably with their 2016 launch at St. Ann's Fort. To boot, it always had exciting launch parties that were great fun just by themselves, before you added the costumes. With a new theme, new section leaders, brand new location (undoubtedly being looked at by a number of event promoters) and a drive to win back masqueraders and restore brand confidence, Xhosa knew it had its work cut out for it.
Without any further delay let's get started with the review.
The Bad
To be honest, this aspect of the review is what held up the entire show. How does one constructively critique a costume without coming across like the designer and the band are under attack? It's Crop Over and bands and designers perceive every critique as a personal attack on their brand. If you
don't have your face halfway up their ass aren't brown-nosing them or kowtowing before them then you're immediately rendered an enemy. It must come with the territory we guess.
On the other hand, it's another thing to create a costume, release it, for somebody to come later on down the line, climb on a soapbox and give your creation a very public dressing down. The feeling must not be nice and in turn people get in their feelings.
Stop trying to sell people nonsense and we wouldn't have these problems.
Let's move on to our first point: the male costumes... oy vey.
To be fair to Xhosa, their male costume designs are never anything to shout and scream about. Whenever the pants have a good material used, then the overall design is very dull. If there is a good overall design, such as this costume from last year, men have to cross their fingers and hope that it won't cost an arm and a leg,
Half of the time the costumes look as though the band gets the first prototype and says, "Hell yea that looks great let's go with that one." The costumes always seem to fall short of being great. They always look like if they had gone through some refinement they could really say something. They never match the refinement or grandeur of the female costumes. Not that they need to but the male costumes should be able to toe the line between aesthetics and affordability while still being creative and on theme.
However that time is not today.
The Lignum Vitae costume...
While we like the concept of it and the attempt to go in a different direction with the design, it comes across feeling incomplete. The crown for sure needed more refinement and we wonder how they will be mass produced. The shoulder piece was definitely an interesting touch and the ripped pants, but the costume felt like it needed something else to make it great. It would have been interesting to see how this costume would have turned out if Xhosa had used alternative materials and employed a Lost Tribe type aesthetic with this costume.
The Reaper costume. Sigh.
This looks like a Farmer's Choice Picnic Ham and Assassin's Creed had an illegitimate child.
It's so strange with this costume to critique it because the female counterpart is quite nice and the colour scheme is unique. The designer has also consistenly created gorgeous costumes for Xhosa so it was surprising to see this one come down the runway. Again this comes down to a design issue with Xhosa. We like the fact that Xhosa was willing to think outside the box and approach new concepts and designs but this also feels unfinished. It feels like the costume is still evolving and doesn't know what it wants to be yet. Some of the elements don't work together, like the finny wings, the hood and the arm straps. Xhosa should have sent this back for more refinement because they could have had a really unique male costume on their hands.
The Phoenix Costume now... ¿Qué es esto?
There isn't really much to say. With such an exciting section name, great colours and exciting female costumes, it's sad to see that Xhosa released such an tepid, insipid male costume. Where's the excitement? How you gonna get an invigorating, fiery section name like Phoenix and produce
some warmed over garbage something so uninspired as this? A pants, a vest and a hat? Two enna arm bands? To add insult to injury Xhosa wants to charge $700 BBD for this. How Sway?
When we see costumes like this we have to wonder where is the masquerade element? Might as well let men buy an armband and done. They really could have produced something great because we do like the material used for the pants and the colours. For an idea which was supposed to represent rebirth and renewal, this idea just felt stillborn and that's the greatest shame of such a unique collection.
The Inbetween
Xhosa has a notable penchant for bringing in foreign DJs, no doubt to lend to their ethos of being a pan-Caribbean brand that spans the Caribbean. However, while we applaud the effort at regional integration and synergies, sometimes things get lost in the mix. Lord Hype and Tony X are great DJs but they were not great that night at Xhosa. At a band launch party we would expect to hear a majority of soca for the night, perhaps a smattering of dancehall or popular hip-hop tunes to bring in a slightly different vibe. But to wash way de whole fete with dancehall and reggae? Issa fail.
Their set felt like being in McBrides circa 2006, where the DJs would use reggae and vintage reggae tracks to signal that it was closing time and patrons needed to go home. The reggae also brings a far more sedate vibe and not the high energy atmosphere one would expect from a Xhosa party. With a wealth of local talent on the island Xhosa could have saved money and hired a good local DJ to full out their roster. DJ Tami and Jon Doe can easily keep a party jumping with soca tracks alone so the concept is not impossible.
There were also noticeably more backpacks and fewer headpieces this year. Nuh kill cow really and truly, it's just interesting to see how the design of a brand evolves as the years continue. Perhaps Xhosa wants to set itself apart from the rest and wants to develop its own unique design style.
It was a nice touch to have a live performance but Marzville appeared on stage and disappeared faster than you could say
you better win Bashment Soca dis year Xhosa fuh Crop Over. It was almost as if he didn't perform because blink and you would have missed him. Arguably one of the biggest and most popular Bashment Soca stars it made perfect sense to get him to perform but he roll out like de Concorde. It almost felt like attendees were cheated of a good performance.
Xhosa was one of the first bands to debut a plus sized costume, to much fanfare, for two years running. Xhosa established itself as a cut above the other bands by being willing to be diverse with band launch body types and its masqueraders. How did Xhosa come and let other bands steal its shine by producing better looking plus sized costumes?
Xhosa had the jump on everybody by having nice looking costumes that were affordable, coupled with great party vibes and a good road experience. While we applaud them for having a plus sized costume yet again, it was a shame that there wasn't more energy and effort put into the design.
The Good
One thing you can say about Xhosa is that they know how to throw a party. They have perfected the art of throwing a amazing party and that was evident the night of the launch. Xhosa has successfully created a party atmosphere where patrons are primed, ready and come out to party with the costumes being a close second to the party; undoubtedly a feat many other bands would like to replicate. People did not stand up and stare at the stage until the costumes came out and then depart immediately after. They came expecting a party and expecting to party and they very well did, especially the people right in front the stage who partied from start to finish.
The space was well laid out and well lit especially coming to the venue. We liked the fact that there were parking attendants, as parking will always be a challenge at the venue. Xhosa properly utilized the space to the right Goldilocks proportions: not too small, not too big, just right. It perfectly encapsulated the crowd and gave everyone enough space to move around and enjoy themselves.
We also loved how Xhosa's theme tied perfectly back in with the section names. Finally, somebody gets it. Perfect theme is perfect. Hallelujah. Alhamdulillah. Ain't Kadooment God good?
When Xhosa produced great looking costumes, they were a joy to see coming down the runway. Some of our favourites were Phoenix, Aja and Lignum Vitae. Keisha Als Phoenix design was a nice touch, we liked the use of the materials to create a costume that was sexy, daring and unique. Aja especially had a range of design options which all looked spectacular. To Xhosa's credit, Humzee consistently provides them with quality designs, much to the delight of its masqueraders. With Lignum Vitae we liked the colours used and the design, even though it also felt like it could have used some extra tweaking that would have put it into the realm of fantastic.
The models were also another fantastic touch. The use of dancers to model the costumes made comeplete sense because who doesn't want somebody who knows how to move and dance on stage. They know their bodies, they know how to dance and to move and they know all their angles. Win win. The dancers also brought their own energy and vitality to the stage, while looking great in the costumes. They definitely kept the hype alive during the costume presentation and made it a high energy affair. The only critique to this was that when dancers and regular models were paired up, once the dancers started to show up and show out it left the regular models just looking blah.
We were also pleased to see body diversity and different skin tones come across the stage as well. Xhosa is no stranger to using different body types and a range of skin colours to showcase costumes and we were glad to see this trend continuing.
One thing Xhosa also got right was that as the costumes appeared on stage, they appeared on Xhosa's social media channels along with the prices. It was refreshing to see prices and information go up so quickly because normally masqueraders, both local and foreign, have to wait so long to find out any information. Xhosa fully captured the hype post launch and let people know how they were going to spend their money to secure the costume they wanted.
Closing Thoughts
Xhosa deserves its props for a well executed costume selection and display. Thank you for bringing Crop Over into the 21st Century by launching the prices and information immediately after the costumes appeared on stage (granted there was a little faux pas where people were told that prices were in BBD which was later changed to US but hey nobody's perfect). Overseas patrons especially were glad to know what coins they had to get in order to secure their costume selection.
As a complete aside, when we look at Crop Over, there are some factors we are starting to see that make us wonder about the direction and future of the festival. This is not a critique on Xhosa but a critique on Crop Over as a whole. Looking forward to the future of Crop Over, Kadooment bands must walk a tightrope act between good design, affordability and profit. You can't get something for nothing but you also can't, to use a Barbadian phrase, rub shit in people mout and tell dem is pudding. Especially when you look at Crop Over from a global perspective. We have bands offering backline costumes for $1000 BBD. That's $3000 TTD, which is a backline in some Carnival bands where they get two days, from 8 AM to 8 PM, jumping bout and palancing on the streets of Port of Spain, with food and premium drinks included. Meanwhile in Barbados, if the band leaves the stadium late the police will hustle you down the road so that everything can finish once the sun sets. That's not a whole day jump and certainly not value for money.
The facts are that Barbados is safer and more secure than many other Caribbean islands, has better beaches, better customer service, clean water, safe roads, a great climate and stable political and social landscape, more tourist activities and generally punches above its weight when it comes to holding its own in the tourism arena. However, our comfort in our superiority is a false comfort because there will soon come the day when our overall prices rule us out as a destination for budget conscious millenial travellers looking for a great experience without having to break the bank, even though we may have a more superior overall package. People want value for money and will think long and hard if something is seen as too expensive, even if the experience is said to be great.
Crop Over is our greatest national festival, a testament to our history, heritage and culture and is one of the oldest festivals in the Western Hemisphere. It must be protected at all costs and we must make the steps now to ensure that the festival remains competitive in the future. This cannot be a charge laid at the feet of the Kadooment bands alone. It really is an area where the bands and the Barbadian Government have to sit down and work out an arrangement that best suits everyone and ensures that the festival remains competitive in a global market. Bands need many tax and VAT exemptions as well as duty free concessions, just to start with, if they are to remain competitive on prices. It's not cheap to bring out a band so many band leaders are taking financial risks where one bad year could spell the end.
The time is now to take a good hard look at what we want from Crop Over and how we expect it to grow and succeed over the next 5 - 10 years. It cannot be like a wild plant growing willy nilly, we must tend and care for it to make sure it blossoms into its full potential and we can all reap a bountiful harvest from its fruit. We cannot afford to rest on our laurels and take our good fortune so far for granted. We must work and build on the successes of our predecesors to ensure that the future remains bright.
All that aside, it is fully clear that Xhosa knows what it has to do in order to secure the trust and belief in the brand from its previous masqueraders as well as potential future ones. Social media gaffes aside, the brand appears to be earnest in its attempts to woo masqueraders and has repeatedly gone to lengths to not just tell, but to showcase that 2018 will be a different year for them. They have learnt quickly from their mistakes, even ones made this year and have stepped up their communication and even offered discounts and a free event to past masqueraders. Xhosa is constantly signalling through its actions that it is ready for Crop Over and it will be full steam ahead for the rest of the festival.
Xhosa knows what it has to do: continue to step up its communication, lock down production and make sure that their service quality is par excellence. It is a good solid brand that had one near fatal misstep but is so far on track for a stellar recovery. They've come much further than many expected that they would and the brand knows it has much further to go to reach the heights of greatness that will secure people's belief in Xhosa once again.
Time will tell if Xhosa can and will deliver on its promises for Crop Over 2018. From what we're seeing, we're hoping for the best.


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SHOW OFF: phrasal verb; to behave in a way that is intended to attract attention or admiration, and that other people find annoying
Generally speaking, nobody likes a show-off. People who need to be the center of attention at every turn, and do it loudly, cockily or just plain reprehensibly can get your goat.
The good thing is you can avoid a show-off. Just walk away. A show-off is dead without an audience. Particularly jocks.
Trouble is, we're a sports-mad country. We put in a lot of our time watching football, basketball, baseball games on TV. So you're familiar with show-offs. There's hardly a player who doesn't hit a home run or score a touchdown on make a three-point shot that doesn't show off. Big time. And what an audience! Hundreds of thousands in the stands, millions watching on TV.
A basketball game might just be starting, like the score is 9-7 or something, and yet if a player sinks a three-point shot, off he goes, howling and scowling and flexing as if he's decided the outcome of the game instead of making the score just 12-7.
By the way, when multimillionaire basketball players make a free throw, do his teammates really have to congratulate him by bumping fists? Come on, a free throw!
A baseball player smacks the ball over the fence, flips his bat and starts his showy home-run trot around the bases, raising his right hand as he rounds first, then glares into his dugout to arouse approval from his teammates. As he crosses home plate, there's the obligatory head and forefinger pointed skyward at some deity in the sky that may have called the shot.
The World Series champion Red Sox had this bump-and-grind thing every time they got on base. You'd think they were auditioning for "Dancing With the Stars." The only thing missing was a pair of castanets.
But it's the football players who are the showiest showoffs of all. And it's not just the guys who score touchdowns. A player simply making a nondescript tackle rises from the turf and celebrates like he just won the Lottery or lost his virginity (which could be on the same level). He goes into a rain dance, taunts the guy he just tackled then waves his arms to the home crowd in a give me some luvin' gesture.
As for the players that catch or run the ball into the end zone, the touchdown-makers, these guys might as well grab a trumpet from the band and toot their own horn. They somersault, toss the football into the stands, jump into the stands for some physical fan love.
After scoring a touchdown a Canadian Football League player snatched a can of beer from a first row spectator, tilted his head back and chugged it down, saving some to pour over his helmet and uniform. It went viral of course. One jerk even acted out, with the football for a prop, what toilet paper is used for. Not pretty.
But this is what really gets me about Mr. Touchdown. His teammates, the ones who blocked for him on the play, rush over to offer congrats. The proper thing for Mr. Touchdown to do would be to welcome his unsung, do-the-dirty-work teammates with open arms.
But no. Instead Mr. Touchdown breaks away because they are sealing him off from the full glow of the TV cameras. Mr. Touchdown is not a sharing guy.
OK, so maybe athletes who celebrate excessively are just part of the game now, an appendage to the entertainment value. This is not new. And of course TV encourages it. It's good theater. There was a time when the touchdown scorer would hand the ball to one of the officials and walk to the bench. Lame, says today's athlete. Gotta hype yourself.
Modesty does not become the modern athlete.
And it's not like kids don't notice. I was at a high school football game in October. On the sidelines a flock of boys, likely 9 or 10 years old, were engaged in a football scrum. When one of the kids crossed an imaginary goal line, he spiked the football. Baby Gronk!
In real life a surgeon, after performing a heart transplant, doesn't rip off his mask, toss his gloves in the air and scream "YES!"
When Harvey Leonard nails the forecast we don't start singing "You Are My Sunshine."
When Pavarotti hit the seemingly impossible high note he didn't pause to boast "How'd you like that, folks?"
In sports, circa the present, all the world's a stage, even if it's made of turf, and the players keep hitting the high notes.
Lenny Megliola can be reached at email@example.com). Follow on Twitter @lennymegs.


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Each day we experience new things. It's been about 3 months since we've been experiencing life in MASS District as M.A.S. Café. Good days, bad days, slow days, fun days, hot days, rainy days, sun-filled days, worse days, better days, most days were learning days and today we'll have you know our last days here are near.
Saturday-June 24th, will be our last day operating in The Great Project of MASS District. Most times it's easier said than done, but this time it's actually harder to say. As a small business, these decisions impact us tremendously. While we are saddened to leave a place where we met brilliant people, started to grow close with the community, and enjoyed the company of our friends and family, we are ready to take on our next challenge.
As we prepare to relocate down the street- corner of 4th Avenue and 6th Street, we will be taking a hiatus in developing a plan to continue becoming an anchor for the Flagler Village Community. Not only are we passionate about serving specialty coffee and quality service, but also we strive to be a place where gathering takes place on a regular basis and community is family.
Our plans have been and continue to be to build a brick a mortar M.A.S. Café. The dream is still very much alive and a work in progress. We have been privileged with opportunities to share our story and introduce our brand but sometimes we have to take a step back in order to take a few steps forward.
We couldn't thank you all enough for the continued support, extended friendship, and for sharing your stories with us. We hope to keep in touch throughout this ongoing journey. We'll be posting about what tile, wood, or marble to use for the new shop as well as color schemes and we'll need your help, so stay tuned! We want to make sure it'll be a place you're proud to call a home away from home.
We'd love to give everyone hugs (and coffee) as we say goodbye to this temporary location. It's only a farewell for now but we'll be back more ready than ever to deliver the best you've ever had. Join us Saturday, June 24th, from 8:30am-3:00pm for our last day! Everything must go so we'll have a lot on sale! :)
Side note: We'll be available for pop-up events in the summer! Full espresso bar service available for rent.
M.A.S. Café coming 2018 to 315 NE 6th Street, Fort Lauderdale, FL
Much love -M.A.S. Café (Marcela, Alejandro and Santiago)
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