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What is an oil pan?
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The engine oil pan is located on the bottom of the engine and is large enough to hold all the oil in the engine. It is bolted to the engine block, and to prevent oil leaks there's an oil pan gasket in between the block and pan. The oil pan is where the oil drain plug is located. On all engines there's an oil pick-up located in the pan that's connected to the oil pump. On some engines the pump pickup tube is also located inside the oil pan.
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Oil pans don't wear out or break like other parts, they generally only need to be replaced because of external damage from an accident or an improperly tightened drain plug. The main symptom you will experience is an oil leak underneath the engine of your car. The oil that leaks from a damaged oil pan will range from dark brown to dark black. If the leak is large enough or occurs for long enough the oil level will be low enough to turn the oil pressure or low oil level warning light on.
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Anytime you have an leak from the engine you want to take caution with driving the vehicle if the oil level is low to prevent damage to the engine. You will likely have a warning light come on before damage will occur however. If the oil level or low pressure light is on you'll want to get the car to a safe location off the road and ideally to a gas station or repair shop.
How often do oil pans need to be replaced?
Engine oil pans rarely need to be replaced and they most often last for the life of the vehicle, unless outside damage occurs. They get replaced on an as-needed basis.
How are oil pan issues diagnosed?
Oil pan issues are very easy to diagnose as the pan is easy to access and view with the naked eye. For scenarios where the oil drain plug is stripped and needs to be addressed, this too is very easy for a mechanic to visually diagnose. In some cases you could have a leak from the oil pan gasket that can be hard to diagnose, especially if the bottom of the engine heavily covered oil, grease and road grime. In these cases in can be helpful for a mechanic to add fluorescent dye to the engine oil, drive the car, then recheck for the source of the leak using a black light.
Engine Oil Pan Replacement Cost Estimates
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The annual drive is named for Jessica Redfield Ghawi, who was killed in the Aurora movie theater shootings in July 2012. Before her death, while working as an intern at Altitude Sports and Entertainment, her dream was to organize a hockey equipment drive for kids who had lost everything in the summer's wildfires.
After her death, her dream was carried forward by Kroenke Sports, adopted by Broomfield-based nonprofit A Precious Child and expanded to include all types of sports equipment.
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This Tony-winning revival of Kander and Ebb's musical will razzle-dazzle you.
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Fresh on the heels of their Americana Award nomination for Best Emerging Artist and celebratory return appearance on A Prairie Home Companion, THE MILK CARTON KIDS today release a live performance video of their expansive and emotional ballad, "Years Gone By". Their performance marks the inaugural session In Team Coco's new digital studio. The duo made their national late night television debut on Conan in late March and were invited back to perform another selection from their acclaimed Anti- debut album The Ash & Clay. To watch please go to http://teamcoco.com/video/web-exclusive-milk-carton-kids-years-gone-by.
THE MILK CARTON KIDS just wrapped their headlining tour of North America with a sold-out show at the Bowery Ballroom in New York City. Time Out New York raved, "Seeing this L.A. folk duo live is like being whisked back to an early-'60s concert hall, such is its old-fashioned banter and charm—only it's way more fun and silly than that suggests. Musically, the pair combines what you love about Simon & Garfunkel and the Everly Brothers with something absolutely its own."
Later this week the band will perform at The Telluride Bluegrass Festival, followed by dates with Josh Ritter, their debut appearance at The Newport Folk Festival, a European tour, and dates with Over The Rhine.
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Friday, 22 March 2013 08:09 AM
Representative Paul Ryan, chairman of the House Budget Committee, declared this month that the U.S. national debt "is hurting our economy today." It's an idea embraced by almost every Republican and even some Democrats.
Economic data — on jobs, housing and investment — don't support that claim. And economists across the political spectrum dispute the best-known study of the subject, by Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff, which found that nations with debt loads greater than 90 percent of their economies grow more slowly.
Three years after a government spending surge in response to the recession drove the U.S. past that red line — the nation's $16.7 trillion total debt is now 106 percent of the $15.8 trillion economy — key indicators reflect gathering strength. Businesses have increased spending by 27 percent since the end of 2009. The annual rate of new home construction jumped about 60 percent. Employers have created almost 6 million jobs.
And with borrowing costs near record lows, the cost of paying off the debt is lower now than in the year Ronald Reagan left the White House, as a percentage of the economy.
"The argument that heavy debt loads slow economic growth doesn't hold a lot of water," says Guy LeBas, chief fixed- income strategist at Janney Montgomery Scott LLC in Philadelphia who oversees $12 billion. "It suffers from a mix-up of cause and effect: When weak economic conditions arise, it tends to encourage deficit spending, which is what has led to more U.S. debt being issued, and not the other way around."
Tipping Point
Republicans like Ryan of Wisconsin, joined by Democrats such as former Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad of North Dakota, embrace as economic gospel the idea of a tipping point for debt, even as it is hotly debated among economists.
Some studies have found no evidence that high debt inevitably chills growth -- especially for countries like the U.S. that print their own currency. One 2012 paper by two French economists even concluded that growth rates increased as the debt-to-GDP ratio passed 115 percent.
"The Rogoff-Reinhart 90 percent is really quite a fragile number," says Joseph Gagnon, a former economist in the Fed's monetary affairs division. "There is no threshold like that for countries that have control of the currency they borrow in."
Reinhart and Rogoff said in a 2010 paper that once debt rises beyond 90 percent of gross domestic product for advanced economies, median growth rates are 1 percentage point lower. The U.S. passed the 90 percent mark in early 2010, according to the International Monetary Fund.
Lower Growth
"Across both advanced countries and emerging markets, high debt/GDP levels (90 percent and above) are associated with notably lower growth outcomes," Reinhart and Rogoff wrote, drawing on data from 44 countries over a 200-year period.
Rogoff declined to comment for this story, and Reinhart didn't respond to e-mails or telephone requests.
To be sure, the U.S. economy is expanding only slowly. Growth over the past three years has averaged 2.2 percent compared with an average of 2.5 percent between 1989 and 2009. And the recent stirring could fizzle, either because of government spending cuts or what Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke described at a March 20 news conference as the economy's "tendency for a spring slump."
And while there's no way to know whether the economy would be expanding faster if the debt burden were lower, the traditional way that government debt hurts growth is by raising the cost of money as public sector borrowing "crowds out" private borrowers. That isn't happening.
Investors Unbothered
Even as the U.S. continues borrowing to cover this year's projected $845 billion deficit, bond markets remain untroubled. Thursday's 1.91 percent yield in New York on the 10-year Treasury note was lower than on the day President Barack Obama was sworn in for his first term. It's lower than on Aug. 5, 2011, when Standard & Poor's lowered the U.S. credit rating. And it's well below the 5.3 percent average over the past 25 years.
"Financial markets are begging the government to borrow at negative real interest rates for 10-year maturities," says Gagnon, now at the Peterson Institute for International Economics. "There's no way our debt is slowing us today."
Still, those warning about deficits say debt loads can hinder growth by dimming expectations. The prospect of higher taxes or lower government spending needed to reduce borrowing could cause companies and individuals to retrench.
"That has to be hurting us right now," says economist Douglas Holtz-Eakin, former director of the Congressional Budget Office and an adviser to 2008 Republican presidential contender John McCain.
Testing Limits
Testing the upper limit of debt sustainability would be foolish, he said. Maintaining today's debt load would leave the U.S. unable to easily respond to a future financial crisis by ramping up spending. Plus, when interest rates rise from current low levels, the government's annual interest burden — the CBO projects it will be $224 billion this year — will mushroom.
"Our debt load could be $500 billion overnight," he says. "Think how fast spreads move."
CBO projections don't support that point of view. They predict interest payments will remain below current levels until 2018 when it says economic output will reach $21 trillion. This year, the U.S. will spend 1.4 percent of GDP servicing its debt, less than half the amount in 1989, the year Reagan left office.
Debt hawks take solace from a 2011 paper by the Bank for International Settlements, the Basel, Switzerland-based group that facilitates cooperation among central banks. It said government debt becomes a drag on growth at 85 percent of GDP.
IMF Study
And two IMF economists, Manmohan Kumar and Jaejoon Woo, found "a significant negative effect on growth" above the 90 percent threshold. For every 10 percentage-point increase in an advanced country's overall debt-to-GDP ratio, growth fell by 0.15 percentage points per year, they said.
That suggests the U.S. economy this year is losing 0.6 percentage points from its growth rate, based on the increase in the gross debt ratio since 2007. The U.S. will grow this year between 2.3 percent and 2.8 percent, according to the Fed's latest forecast.
Indicators of future activity, however, have yet to reflect such worries. The index of leading economic indicators reached 94.8 in February, its highest level since before the 2008 financial crisis. Stocks are near record highs, and the dollar is up more than 6 percent since Dec. 31, 2009.
Testifying on Feb. 26 before the Senate Finance Committee, Robert Greenstein, director of the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, said: "The notion that we are already in a danger zone because gross debt exceeds 90 percent of GDP and that this is already costing jobs is not one most economists would agree with."
2009 Book
Reinhart and Rogoff rocketed to prominence following the global financial crisis. Their 2009 book "This Time It's Different," which made The New York Times bestseller list and was translated into 20 languages, drew applause from politicians in both parties.
In 2011, the White House cited their finding that recoveries from financial crises are slower and less robust to explain what it called the "disappointing" economy.
"It's not a particularly reliable gauge," economist John Makin of the Republican-leaning American Enterprise Institute, a former consultant to the Treasury Department and Fed, said of the 90 percent threshold. "The evidence is not strong."
Though Reinhart and Rogoff emphasize the number of countries they studied, some economists question whether those examples apply to the world's largest economy and holder of the global reserve currency.
Not Sweden
"Comparing the U.S. to Sweden or to Japan even, it really just doesn't cut it," Drew Matus of UBS Securities LLC told Bloomberg Radio earlier this year.
Thanks to the Federal Reserve, the U.S. is able to borrow more without yields rising. Since the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy in September 2008, the Fed has more than tripled the size of its balance sheet to $3.2 trillion.
The central bank's bond purchases have kept the 10-year yield 80 to 120 basis points, or 0.8 to 1.2 percentage points, lower than it otherwise would have been, thus boosting economic growth, according to Bernanke.
Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, called the idea of debt limiting growth "very silly," saying the U.S. retains vast assets, including technically recoverable oil and gas reserves estimated by the Institute for Energy Research at $128 trillion.
"If it sold off $5 trillion to lower its debt to GDP ratio by 30 percentage points do we really think we would suddenly grow faster?" Baker wrote in an e-mail.
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Ignacio native Lupe M. Alexander, 83, died of cancer Friday, Feb. 1, 2013, at home, surrounded by her family. She was 83.
Mrs. Alexander was born July 4, 1929, in Ignacio to Manuel and Encarnacion Jaques. She grew up on the family ranch and attended school at the Harvey School south of Ignacio. She was part of a large family of three brothers and five sisters.
She married William Junior Alexander on June 19, 1957, in Aztec. Mrs. Alexander faithfully worked in the cafeteria at Ignacio schools for 40 years, her family said. They added that Ignacio School District 11-JT will dedicate the cafeteria at the new school in her name, calling it Café Lupe.
Mrs. Alexander was preceded in death by her husband, William Junior Alexander, in 1998, two grandsons and a great-granddaughter.
She is survived by her daughters Debbie Herrera of Ignacio, and Viola Shahan of Houston; son, Douglas Jacquez, of Oakley, Calif., sister, Teddy Orton, of Grimes, Iowa; 12 grandchildren; numerous great-grandchildren; one great-great-grandchild; and several nieces and nephews.
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Nearly all passenger vehicles use the very reliable hydraulic brake system. At a minimum, the system is composed of a master cylinder, which pumps brake fluid through brake lines, wheel cylinders or brake calipers that actuate the brake pads or shoes, and brake rotors or brake drums that rotate with the wheel until acted upon by the pads or shoes. In order for the brake system to function properly and reliably, the brake fluid must be serviced regularly, including flushing and bleeding the brake fluid to prevent corrosion, air, or water from causing damage in the brake system.
Which should I get, a brake fluid bleed or a brake flush?
The brake bleeding process involves manually pumping enough new fluid through your brake lines to eliminate any air that may be in them. This can be done either by one person, using an external hand pump, or by two people, using the car's brake pedal. The vehicle's four brakes are bled individually, using a bleeder screw found on each caliper or wheel cylinder. People with good knowledge of hydraulic braking systems can learn how to bleed brakes themselves, or a mechanic can handle it instead.
The brake flushing process goes a step beyond. Flushing replaces all of your old brake fluid with clean, new fluid. This procedure is often done with a powered flushing machine, which attaches to the brake fluid reservoir where the cap would normally screw on. New brake fluid is forced through the entire hydraulic system until the fluid that exits the system is clean. Flushing gives you all new brake fluid throughout your braking system.
Here are a few guidelines on whether you should bleed or flush your brakes when servicing them:
What does the manufacturer recommend? Check your owner's manual or service booklet for the manufacturer's suggestions on when and how to service your brakes. If there's no recommendation for flushing your brakes, it's usually not necessary, especially if you have followed the recommended service intervals and the fluid looks translucent or clear, not dark and murky.
Are there signs of a braking problem? Have you noticed that your brake pedal feels squishy? Does your vehicle require a longer distance to stop lately? Is your brake fluid dark, or does it have particles and debris floating in it?
If you notice any of these symptoms, get your car to your mechanic immediately. Have your braking problem diagnosed and repaired right away, before things get worse and you are totally unable to stop. If your fluid has deteriorated and needs replacing, then a flush is an appropriate step toward restoring the effectiveness of your brakes.
What are symptoms that may be fixed with a brake system bleed?
The most common cause necessitating flushing and bleeding brake fluid is a standard brake service. However, if the fluid is noted to be extremely old, dirty, and hazardous to rubber brake system components, a flush and bleed service should be completed. Also, when there is a brake fluid leak, this service will be completed to remove air from the system. Lastly, if the brake pedal feels too soft or spongy, and the service brakes are not performing to standard, the brake system will be bled and flushed to eliminate air from the system. This will be performed after verification and repair of the source of air.
Can I drive if I need a brake system hydraulic system bleed?
It is not safe to operate any vehicle with any braking problem. If there is any sign that the brakes are not performing as originally intended, the vehicle should immediately be placed out of service, and repaired. If the brake fluid is being flushed and bled as part of routine maintenance, with no symptoms noticed, the vehicle can safely be driven to a repair shop.
How often does a brake hydraulic system bleed need to be performed?
Service of the brake system is part of factory scheduled maintenance, and the schedule is located in the owner's manual of most vehicles. Most brake services are performed between 40,000 and 60,000 miles, and the brake fluid will be flushed and bled at that time. Notice, failure to adhere to factory schedule maintenance guidelines may result in premature failure of various brake system components.
How are brake hydraulic system bleed issues diagnosed?
Brake fluid bleeding requires no diagnosis. It is performed at the completion of a repair, as part of a brake system flush, or as a step in testing the brake system if a diagnosis requires.
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What to look out for when dealing with brake hydraulic system bleeding
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Can I perform a brake system hydraulic system bleed myself?
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Tweetie 2 has just launched and is now available for the iPhone and iPod touch, and the popular Twitter app brings with it many, many improvements and feature additions. Some of the more notable additions include full app persistence, which means that if you leave the app for any reason and come back to it, Tweetie 2 will remember exactly where you were. There's also a nice offline mode, that lets you read, favorite, and even write drafts of tweets. Once you connect to the Internet again, everything gets synced up.
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If you've been looking for an iPhone app that can replace the default camera app for taking photos, Best Camera just may be what you've been looking for. Developed by Seattle photographer Chase Jarvis, Best Camera provides a full-featured camera control app, fantastic photo editing (think of it as an iPhone version of Photoshop,) and a great online community that lives both online and in the app, where you can see great photos that have been taken by other Best Camera users.
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We were just alerted to a new iPhone and iPod touch app called Ping!, which aims to provide free iPhone-to-iPhone (and iPod touch) messaging to users of those devices. We tried it, and thought it was worthy enough to give a shout out to.
Basically, once you download the free Ping! application, you set up a username, and you are set. You can invite others from within the app over email, letting them know your username, and also set up whether you want push notifications or not. Once you start a conversation, it's very similar to SMS…except it's free, and instant. You get the speed of an IM conversation with the persistence of SMS, all at no extra cost. Even better, it works internationally. So you can send and receive messages with people in other countries, and again, at no extra cost.
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We've been beta testing the Shoot It! app for the past couple of months, and we are excited to let you guys know that it is now available for purchase in the App Store for $0.99. Why the excitement? Well, Shoot It! is one of the apps we use very regularly, and it's one of our favorite apps that we've ever used on the iPhone. So, What is Shoot It?
Shoot It! allows you to send high quality postcards to anyone in your iPhone or iPod touch Address Book, using images in your Camera Roll, or an image that you take from within the app using the iPhone camera. You can send a postcard to as many people as you like, and you also fill in a message that would be printed on the back of the photo. The end result is, as we said, a high quality 4x6 glossy postcard that has the image of your choice on the front, and your message on the back. Since you can send the message to any number of contacts, you end up with the ability to send one message to, say, twenty people, in just a minute or two.
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Today, the fine folks at 12 seconds have announced the release of a new app for iPhone 3GS users—12cast. 12cast is their first native video app for the iPhone, allowing users to log into Twitter, record, title their posts and share them with friends. The goal with this app was to create an easy and seamless video sharing tool for Twitter. In hopes to get the word out, 12cast has created a contest so easy to enter, well, a caveman could do it. Simply send out a Twitter or 12seconds post with the hashtag #12cast, and you will be instantly entered to win iPhone data service for a year. For every 12seconds post you make with the hashtag #12cast, you will be entered 3 times. The contest ends Friday, August 7th—so get out there and start posting! 12cast is now available free at the iTunes app store.
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It was only a matter of time for an app to catch up for our burning desire to share our lives on the internet –mainly Twitter. Tweet Reel is a new app for the iPhone 3GS with allows you to upload videos and pictures to Tweet Reel, and share them directly on Twitter. Personally, I have always used Flickr over Twitpic (specially now with Twitter integration), but Flickr seems to be having a hard time catching up to apps and other social media integration tools. Tweet Reel is available for $2.99 in the App Store and if you are looking to share more than just images, Tweet Reel will get the job done.
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Foursquare has just released version 1.3 for their iPhone app, which now notifies you with a buzz when friends are nearby, via push notification. Foursquare allows you to check-in at different locations, and lets your friends know where you are (this also includes optional Twitter pinging.) What makes this app stand out is the badges system. This system awards you for your activity, whether is checking in to a new place or returning to it for the 100th time. Competitive souls can find subtle amusement by attempting to dethrone majors for locations – people that have been to a specific location many times. If you haven't tried out Foursquare yet, I highly recommend it.
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I'm lonely here as nobody has spoken to me yet. Proxima Centauri 03:03, 24 July 2009 (CDT)
- Awww. There, there. --Kazim 11:46, 31 July 2009 (CDT)
- <irony>Thanks for being so understanding. </irony> Proxima Centauri 01:04, 1 August 2009 (CDT)
- Glad to see there are some folks who actually use the chat functions on these wiki pages. I mostly just edit, but I guess I'll have to check them. Off hand, you wouldn't happen to know if there's any way to encode formal logic on this page, would you? The standard wiki form doesn't work. - JStein (8:49, 9/13/2011)
I see you started a WOTM program review. *Big hugs* I have made multiple requests for help on RW, YouTube, and TWL. You are the first person to give a helping hand. Thanks mate, I really appreciate it. Wolf 15:25, 6 October 2011 (CDT)
Any chance that we could not use the Multiverse "theory" here? It's currently an untestable claim that has no evidence to support it, not a scientific theory. I certainly agree that it's possible, but until we have a way of detecting other universes, it's an irrational claim and not suitable for use in counter-apologetics. Jdog 09:36, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
- I think the mustiverse theory prevents God being proved. Proxima Centauri 11:10, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
- It does no such thing. The multiverse concept (please provide scientific evidence for the claim or stop calling it a theory) simply moves the problem up one level; a theist just has to claim that "God caused the multiverse to exist" and you're back where you started, plus you've added another unprovable claim to the mix. If anything, the concept of parallel universes could potentially be used to explain the conflicts between omniscience, omnipotence, and omnibenevolence. Jdog 20:54, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
I've taken it out as the issue is not worth so much trouble and I risk getting behind with refuting Ray Comfort. In my opinion the Muliverse is valid against Kalam because Kalam explicitly states, "Everything that starts to exist needs a cause and the Multiverse didn't necessarily , start to exist. I agree the Multiverse does not work against general first cause arguments. Proxima Centauri 02:35, 8 October 2011 (CDT)
Ray Comfort[edit]
Ray Comfort is, as they say on the Non-Prophets, an ASSHAT (anyone playing the Non-Prophets drinking game?). Pretend i said all this in an Australian pirate accent so it counts as six drinks if you are. Anyway, lets all unite against creationist asshats. I'm just doing some minor editing, correcting some spelling mistakes, maybe adding a sentence or two when needed. Does anyone else visit this site, or are the fundie asshats trying to get rid of us? SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO USE THE CHAT, i just did this by clicking edit on your page, then inserted my username how everyone else's was. WhatsAGoodUsername? 0334, 30 October 2011 (CDT)
You can find out how active the site is by Clicking this link, alternatively you can click Recent changes 3 lines below the picture of the chariot and horses near the top left hand side of the page. To talk a user you click on the icon saying, "Discussion" in the top left of the Userpage and to talk about an article you click on the icon saying, "Discussion" in the top left of the article.
This is an atheist website and Christians can't stop us being ungodly here, see Iron Chariots Wiki:Neutral point of view. Feredir28 has been working very hard helping refute Ray Comfort as have others. Proxima Centauri 07:04, 30 October 2011 (CDT)
Okay, thanks. You're on here too much, all the edits I see are from me, you, and two other people. Kazim and Sans Deity need to start "plugging" this site on the Non-Prophets and the Atheist Experience more, we need more people! WhatsAGoodUsername?
Lol, when I tried saving one of those marked as spam, I was told you had just deleted it. <impolite>Don't you have a life either?</impolite>
Is there no way we can upgrade the MediaWiki software? The latest version should make user-management, and thus spam-prevention, within easier reach. Sure, it will add some bureaucracy to new user creation, but won't it be worth it?
- You could try asking, Sans Deity, he's the site owner. Proxima Centauri 05:24, 8 October 2011 (CDT)
- I see he's probably too busy. Especially as an upgrade, apparently ANY upgrade beyond the current version, would require an upgrade of PHP. Which looks like it would involve the ISP...
- Something tells me that the most effective solution would be to find a new ISP, export and import, and then transfer the domain name to the new site. All of course without stealing the domain from Sans Deity.
- Isn't this interesting? I didn't even know there was a forum. How much more work would that involve?
- I can feel myself giving up here. --BronzeDome 05:53, 9 October 2011 (CDT)
Bother... I think I'll leave you to it. I'll stick to fixing typos... --BronzeDome 02:31, 10 October 2011 (CDT)
- He's going to get to it after wedding season. Be patient please, no coup is required. --Kazim 15:05, 31 October 2011 (CDT)
I think the computer must have delayed before you found out I'd deleted that stuff. While I'm checking regularly I don't need delete templates but if ever I can't check for any reason delete templates will be very useful. Any admin who gets to delete just needs to go to Category:Pages for deletion and find a bunch of articles all together ready to delete. Proxima Centauri 10:12, 10 October 2011 (CDT)
Clean up[edit]
I rolled back some changes and I don't have time to monitor and fix everything. I've been getting complaints about some regulars adding sloppy speculation and changing the site from informative to a personal, sloppy, speculative bitch-slapping of apologists. Dig through your changes....and wherever you've added unfounded accusations, speculations or snide comments - remove them. I'm going to check back after the wedding and if there aren't improvements, I'll be locking the site down, upgrading it and changing policies and permissions. This isn't a place to talk shit about apologists or post things that might cause unnecessary problems. You CANNOT simply toss around accusations about financial motivations - that leads to legal problems, and I'd prefer if people didn't post sloppy arguments. Sans Deity 01:22, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
- First, my thanks to Proxima about AtheistWiki, but before we go there mate, we have work to do. I will go through all my material on Ray Comfort - that includes the programs, books, and main page. Nobody here meant harm, but we will not be divide over this issue and continue to work together. Wolf 13:03, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
I haven't got time to go through your edits and I'm going to bed soon, I've had an infection recently. On this wiki are writers who've done really good hard hitting stuff about the Problem of evil and other difficult topics. Please write nothing here that could offend those writers or which those writers may not like. You can write snark and offensive stuff at RationalWiki or Atheism Wiki, just don't break any libel laws. Proxima Centauri 13:42, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
- I appreciate the fixes. Please take a moment to check out the newly added "types of pages" section under Iron Chariots Wiki:Editing guidelines for a little more guidance in how pages ought to look. --Kazim 18:16, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
Atheist groups in ...[edit]
I suggest merging all those Atheist groups in some-country-or-state pages into one List of atheist groups page, organised, naturally, by continent, country and state. The current state of myriad miniature "articles" seems... silly.
May I? BronzeDome 07:02, 18 October 2011 (CDT)
Please ask Kazim or Sans Deity, both know more about this wiki than I do. Proxima Centauri 09:36, 18 October 2011 (CDT)
- Yes please. --Kazim 15:04, 31 October 2011 (CDT)
Praise and Glory to the FSM![edit]
What do you think of the edit I did on the page about the FSM? We need a War on Christmas page, but I'm going to sleep, its 3 Am(pacific time)WhatsAGoodUsername?
I like it but what the established administrators like counts for more here than what I like. Proxima Centauri 06:17, 7 November 2011 (CST)
PLEASE CHECK MY NEW PAGE ON RICK PERRY. It needs more info, linked to my sources in the page, sorry i dont have time to look at my sources more and post more info, it is DAMNED important this gets up and running, as it might prevent another crazy religious president like Bush. One was enough. WhatsAGoodUsername?
I have no problem about the article on Rick Perry but please check with Sans Deity as he is the site owner. I suggest writing mainly material demonstrating that Perry's position on religion is irrational as this wiki is primarily about countering irrational religion. I suggest checking the sources in the RationalWiki article for information but here you should write respectfully. Googling rick perry+religious nut will get you information that will sometimes need rewriting respectfully. Googling rick perry+religious+irrational will get information that won't need rewording respectfully so often. I also suggest that you look for websites where political material is expected.
I'm from the UK and I don't fully understand American politics, I personally fear Mitt Romney because he stands the biggest chance of defeating Obama as far as I know. Mitt Romney flip flops so much nobody knows what he would do as president. RationalWiki accepts articles about all relevant issues over the 2012 U.S. Presidential Election and has articles about most of the possible Republican runners, you can register there and add to articles or write new ones but not all the editors are polite or well behaved. Proxima Centauri 02:22, 9 November 2011 (CST)
I'm from Canada (different time zones suck) and i dont think if i put the bit about the N.A.R. by itself it would really do anything......however, if it is linked to rick perry, then people will notice (hopefully....). i know sans deity is the site owner, i joined this site because i heard about it from some old episodes of the non prophets. My source is legitimate, as it is from national public radio, and it seems unbiased. i dunno, just put it up there because it seems to have some relevance to me.what's your personal opinion of those N.A.R. folks? anyways, let me know if you need help deleting spam, i have some free time on my hands. Right now, i think this website is a damn good reference, dont you agree? WhatsAGoodUsername?
I don't need help deleting spam as only administrators can delete. I don't know much about the N.A.R. Do you mean the New Apostolic Reformation? I know no more about them than what's in the Wikipedia article. Proxima Centauri 03:22, 9 November 2011 (CST)
Yes, thats what i meant, the youtube video i linked is part of a series by that user that goes into detail about their beliefs (the npr article i posted,Link was great too, but less in detail and colorful, as well as being worth less laughs) , and how bat shit crazy they are. for the love of spaghetti, they think oprah is the freakin antichrist! they should cover that crap on the Non-Prophets, it would get so many laughs! i mean, they are the new spanish inquisition without the torture and censorship (at the moment), and they are trying to gain popularity? thats like another hitler staging rock concerts!WhatsAGoodUsername?
So, whats religion like in the U.K.?WhatsAGoodUsername?
We have some street corner evangelists but most people in Britain are apathetic about religion or skeptical. Proxima Centauri 02:07, 11 November 2011 (CST)
Just like here. I know two and only two christian people under 20. ahhh religion, die already.
Been lotsa spam lately huh?
I fear the spam will continue till one of the top administrators gets as CAPTCHA. Proxima Centauri 01:11, 13 November 2011 (CST)
Meh, it just shows how morally "superior" theists are.WhatsAGoodUsername? How's my favorite heathen doing? I've been enjoying the new video game that just came out, Call of Duty, Modern Warfare 3. Do anything interesting? WhatsAGoodUsername?
Well, what have I been doing? I've written any amount of stuff about Ray Comfort and other topics at Atheism Wiki. I watched
mindless inspiring video material by Ray Comfort so I could comment effectively.
I went for walks in local parks so I would get general exercise and wouldn't just exercise my typing fingers. I read ordinary books and newspapers in cafes and libraries etc so I would spend some time away from my flat and my computer. Proxima Centauri 03:01, 5 December 2011 (CST)
Sounds fun, I'm reading stuff on the website of the FSM, the hate mail is quite interesting. You play any video games (I need to further the stereotype of all atheists being nerds!!)?? I've been watching the latest American election stuffs, and i must say, the Republicans are really, really, really, really, really, realllllyyyy stupid this year. Rick Perry, Michele Bachman, and Sarah Palin especially. Oh and another guy, Mitt Romney, put out an Obama smear ad, where he quoted Obama quoting someone else.... I swear, they are TRYING to lose. WhatsAGoodUsername?
RAtionalWiki has a Whole Category with plenty or articles making fun of them all. Proxima Centauri 05:09, 5 December 2011 (CST)
Are you on rational wiki? If so, can you add my bit about the New Apostolic Reformation from my Rick Perry page to theirs? WhatsAGoodUsername?
Done. Proxima Centauri 07:03, 6 December 2011 (CST)
thanks for that, i want to spread the info about these
excellent, convincing, logical and well-read theocratic people asap, as it could influence the upcoming election, and i dont want another bush....every vote counts. did you link my source? i linked to an article from national public radio as a source, which also happened to be the source of the video we both linked. have a good one =) WhatsAGoodUsername?
I also started Theocracy Watch but I don't want to do too much because I'm from the UK and I don't understand American politics well enough. Proxima Centauri 21:09, 6 December 2011 (CST)
American politics are simple. The democrats are honest and intelligent-ish (or at least as close as you can get to it, they are politicians you know....) and the republicans are
dumbshit, retarded, ignorant theocratic rich people who like guns, hate taxes, and are ALWAYS opposed to abortion, contraception, atheism, church-state separation, and the scientifically tried-and-true theory of evolution. Republicans SOMEHOW get votes from smart southern voters...
It looks like you';d appreciate Liberapedia. Proxima Centauri 05:15, 7 December 2011 (CST)
I just think the "religious right" (the fundie portion of the republicans) needs to die. Soon.WhatsAGoodUsername
I thought of an edit you can make on the virgin mary page on rational wiki (and maybe here) i heard it refferenced once on the atheist experience that mary wasnt actually a virgin and that that was a translation error. May the google be with you.WhatsAGoodUsername
ALso, the Al-Qaeda page on rationalwiki is wrong. their full name is Al-Qaeda Al-Jahleed, which means the base of the holy war. The dropped in popularity due to the media shortening their name. Now, they have a porn site and a internet magazine....once, british hackers hacked the magazine and replaced the bomb recipe with a recipe for rocky road cupcakes (lol!).WhatsAGoodUsername
Proposal for Ray Comfort articles[edit]
Hi Proxima,
I'd like to make a modest proposal regarding the large amount of work you've done on all of Ray Comfort's works. I'm still having the feeling that you're seeing Iron Chariots as a private sandbox to go after Comfort's entire body of work, and the articles you're generating are coming in too fast for anybody to review them, or perhaps even read them. They don't seem to be strongly cohesive integrated with the rest of the site, the main focus of which is to be a resource for specific arguments with organized responses. However, here's my alternate suggestion.
A more focused website that is centered around your special interest in Ray would probably be a very useful and more appropriate resource. Call it whatever you want, make it as polemic and opinionated as you want. Make it the official "I Hate Ray Comfort" site if you like. Heck, "ihateraycomfort.com" is available, and I'm sure you could come up with other variations that suit your intentions. You seem like somebody who knows how to set up a website, but if not I'd be happy to recommend resources for getting started, and if necessary, help migrate those articles to HTML pages.
I'd be more than happy to have one main article about Ray Comfort which, in addition to providing short explanations and links to his common arguments, also links to your site. You could include a paragraph-long blurb in the links section saying how thorough and extensive it is, and you would have full creative control over it without my (I'm sure) annoying meddling.
What do you say? --Kazim 08:41, 15 November 2011 (CST)
- Plus, you'd avoid my criticism when I actually do read one or two of the RC articles here. Thanks for removing the gay stereotyping from the "convert your family!" WotM episode review, though. Jdog 10:32, 15 November 2011 (CST)
Feredir did most of the work, I don't want to remove what he wrote. Proxima Centauri 12:03, 15 November 2011 (CST)
- Maybe you could start something jointly? --Kazim 12:26, 15 November 2011 (CST)
Thank you for inviting me to this discussion. My thoughts on Kazim's idea are mixed. When I first arrived on IronChariots, I was aware that it was used to confront specific theistic arguments, but when I saw that IC had only 4 review/critiques of Ray's programs and barely a paragraph for one of his books, I thought perhaps there was a little more to IC. At the time, I thought the least I could do was muster some time and man-power to expand IC operations. Now, while I am sure my time and hard work is much appreciated, the thought of having a website is intriguing but an unsure feeling keeps creeping around me.
Proxima, would it be more suiting if we moved all our work (both yours and mine) to Atheism.wiki or would an independent website created by the both of us be more suiting? If the conclusion would be a website, the next difficult part is to make something "uniqueness" I guess. Several rationalist websites confront Ray Comfort (such as forums like WeAreSMRT and the Rational Response Squad) but none of them give a "walk through" of Ray's materials, pointing out and documenting every flaw in Ray's material. For my own two cents: if I had my own website confronting creationists, it would not focus entirely on Ray Comfort. But before I go any further into that, we must first decide if a website would be the best option, and if it would be the case, I would do what I can to contribute. If not, we will work things out. What say you? Wolf 13:22, 15 November 2011 (CST)
- It seems that Proxima has already moved a lot of the material I always wished to preserve the most to Atheism.wikia, for which I am most grateful (and soon I will be a user to contribute more). The question of the website still remains open, where Proxima and I (and possibly more) can both decide how to format whatever as we see fit. Wolf 13:35, 15 November 2011 (CST)
- Now that Wolf's spoken up, I feel that there's a misinterpretation of "refuting specific theistic arguments". Ray doesn't make new theistic arguments in each of his works, he simply repeats the same arguments over and over (sometimes with minor variations). Once you've made pages for argument from design, personal revelation, and fear of hell, then made appropriate redirects to them (banana argument to argument from design, for example), you've got his entire body of work almost completely refuted. Having a page about him where it lists the specific arguments he makes and links to pages about those arguments is a good thing. Jdog 14:58, 15 November 2011 (CST)
For several years Atheism Wiki has stagnated because I thought working to build up this site and RationalWiki would help the cause more. Recently I decided working more on Atheism Wiki is worthwhile because this wiki caters for intellectuals and RationalWiki is becoming steadily more intellectual. Nobody is catering for less intellectual types like high school students with religious doubts.
This is your website, it's your choice whether you keep the Way of the Master Series or not. I'm sorry that you want to delete it because Google ranks it very high on the first page. Proxima Centauri 14:08, 15 November 2011 (CST)
It's up to you, Feredir if you want to do your own blog, I'm more experienced with wikis but learning how to do a blog could be interesting. I plan to work hard on refuting Ray Comfort on Atheism Wiki for 3 reasons.
- I already know how to work with wikis.
- Transferring work from one wiki to another is quick and relatively little needs doing to refit the material.
- On a wiki there is always the chance other people with bad experience of Ray Comfort will join the wiki and help us. Proxima Centauri 14:17, 15 November 2011 (CST)
- I agree with you Proxima regarding working on a wiki. I too would prefer to work on a wiki since I already know how to do it. I already have my own blog, but I prefer working on wikis like RationalWiki, and info travels faster I think that way since anyone can take the time to contribute and spread the word. I like the sense of teamwork, which is why I helped create TWL Wolf 14:30, 15 November 2011 (CST)
An unsure feeling keeps creeping around me too, I'm sure together we can make material on Atheism Wiki presentable, how long will it take before Google picks it up?
I agree we should deal with other fundamentalists as well as Ray Comfort. Feredir lives relatively near to Ray Comfort and has first-hand experience of his influence. So I thought, "OK, let's spend six months or so refuting Ray Comfort, when we've dealt with Ray and Kirk exhaustively we can consider doing something else." My 2 cents are that the first priority should be to get The Way of the Master complete because red links in the template look bad. Once that's completed, we can start work debunking other fundamentalists. Proxima Centauri 14:41, 15 November 2011 (CST)
- What term are you googling to see ICW on the first page? The only one I saw when I just tried a few was "Ray Comfort", at the bottom. I think you underestimate people who have religious doubts and do them a disservice by thinking of them as "less intellectual", which would help explain why your approach to refuting RC's work is so odd. Jdog 14:58, 15 November 2011 (CST)
- I've already pointed out several times that Google collects data on individual users and tailors their results to what it thinks you want to see. Just because you see it first in the results doesn't mean that anyone else does. I don't even see it on the first page. --Kazim 16:49, 15 November 2011 (CST)
- Another thing I want to check on is, did you create the atheism wikia page? If not, have you checked with the creators in advance to see if it fits their style guidelines? I'd hate for you to waste a bunch of additional work. That's one reason why I suggested that a personal web page (neither a wiki nor a blog, but a privately maintained and organized collection of articles) might be the way you want to go. --Kazim 16:54, 15 November 2011 (CST)
Feredir and I both think people who've viewed a WOTM video should be able to find a refutation of that video. Also people who want to know what is in a WOTM video without watching it should be able to find the information. It's not up to you what we do on our own website. Proxima Centauri 15:02, 15 November 2011 (CST)
- I'm not telling you what to do on your own website (why are you continuing to discuss it on this website, anyway? Do you or Feredir not have e-mail?), we crossposted because you write your replies over multiple posts instead of making use of the "show preview" button. My reply was aimed at your claims that the WotM refutations cater to "less intellectual" people, because if you're doing this with the idea that you're an intellectual and that you're writing for the benefit of people of lesser intelligence, you're just turning atheism into a form of "white man's burden" and failing at the very goal you're trying to achieve by doing all these refutations in the first place. Your work is getting bumped from RationalWiki and here because you refuse to see that. Jdog 17:54, 15 November 2011 (CST)
The articles I transfered to Atheism Wiki now rank high on Google and that includes new material I've written there. Things have ended well, there's no longer any problem, it's up to the site owners how much Ray Comfort related material to keep here, I've copied it all. Proxima Centauri 05:15, 5 December 2011 (CST)
Deletions and restorations[edit]
I understand (from the thread above) that there have been problems with the Ray Comfort related articles lately, but why have you deleted articles that had extensive content before you even edited them? For example, you deleted (and I just restored) The Beauty of a Broken Spirit—Atheism (Way of the Master), The Firefighter (Way of the Master), and even Template:Wayofthemaster, all of which were originally created and heavily edited by the founders of this wiki (and other administrators). In other words, those articles were not "yours to delete". I've restored all of them to their respective states before you and/or Feredir28 first edited them (since I assume your intention was to remove your and his contributions, and you just got a bit sloppy doing that). You also deleted The Satanic Influence (Way of the Master), which neither of you ever edited in the first place. A quick glance through the deleted content didn't reveal anything inappropriate, so I've restored that article, too. I didn't restore any articles you or Feredir28 created. - dcljr 05:21, 21 November 2011 (CST)
- OK Proxima Centauri 08:13, 21 November 2011 (CST)
- Hi Dcljr, please check the bottom of the talk page on Ray Comfort. I requested that the reorganization happen, my preference is to cut down on / relocate the articles specifically addressing individual apologists' bodies of work. --Kazim 11:08, 21 November 2011 (CST)
- Hmm. I still don't see where you suggested that all the articles be deleted, only particular contributions to them. Feel free to re-delete the articles, if you feel that's best. - dcljr 14:00, 21 November 2011 (CST)
- I think you, Kazim and the other senior administrators should decide among yourselves what to do. I'm tired of all this. I'm tired of Jdog regularly making us angrier than we were before we read his comments. I'm tired of weeks of hard work followed by being told off by Kazim, Jdog and others. I'm tired of senior administrators leaving the wiki alone for long periods without saying what they want, then blaming Feredir and me when things are not their liking. That's the one and only time so far that I can remember when I've agreed with Jdog over anything important.
- I've copied what matters to Feredir and me to Atheism Wiki and it is up to you what you do here. Proxima Centauri 15:18, 21 November 2011 (CST)
- I haven't had time to consider this but my first suggestion is to leave things as dcljr left it. I suspect Kazim and I were wrong to get everything deleted, the next phase in this argument could easily be that the authors of deleted material, (not by Feredir and me) will complain. Then the dispute could escalate with Jdog making criticisms all round. At least let's leave things as they are for a week or so to give cooling off time and to give the senior administrators time to think and discuss the issue. As I said I'm not keen to be involved further. Proxima Centauri 16:35, 21 November 2011 (CST)
- (Apologies for continuing this on your talk page, but...) FWIW, I don't consider myself a "senior administrator". The only valid distinction, IMO, is between regular admins and bureaucrats. I don't know who EnthusOcn is, but the other 3 bureaucrats are the ones who founded the wiki in the first place, so they should decide what they want to do with it. I would point out, however, that four articles have been "featured" on the Main Page for years now, all point-by-point refutations of individual apologetical works. Are we not doing that anymore? This should be discussed on-wiki somewhere; I suggest Iron Chariots Wiki talk:Editing guidelines#What are we doing here?, since this obviously has implications for what we want to say on that project page. - dcljr 17:54, 21 November 2011 (CST)
- More discussion was added at the Editing Guidelines talk page. --Kazim 15:02, 23 November 2011 (CST)
Please do not add any more claims from the film Zeitgeist. The film is not a reliable source of information and most (if not all) of the claims made about religion are incorrect. --Andy 01:13, 10 December 2011 (CST)
I haven't put material from Zeitgeist into the wiki and I didn't know the film existed. I've now read the article on Zeitgeist and it appears the film includes truth and distortion so if material is in Zeitgeist that neither confirms not denies its accuracy. I refered to Mithra, Horus and others having similarities to Jesus from a different source. Proxima Centauri 01:21, 10 December 2011 (CST)
- The source cited Zeitgeist as its source. It has been completely debunked. Please make an effort to use reliable sources. --Andy 01:28, 10 December 2011 (CST)


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