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Tolkien Gateway talk:Manual of Style
[edit] Fair Use
It would certainly be helpful if Template:fairuse[former link] actually existed. We do need it. --Theoden1 16:30, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
- I certainly agree. It's kind of nagging me that certain things (like the "fact" template) "must" be inserted while they don't even exist. All images need a good going over anyway - copyrights, correct names, descriptions, categories. That'll take ages, but it can be done. -- Ederchil 16:42, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
[edit] Rename
To be consistent with other wiki's, shouldn't this be renamed (and remolded if necessary) to "Tolkien Gateway: Manual of Style"? -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 11:57, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I figured I should put my question here: With Melkor do we go for consistency in articles or do we separate Melkor (being prior to the theft of the Silmarils) and Morgoth (being after the theft)? ~denDAY 17:56, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
[edit] Plagiarism?
Sorry . . . I'm new. What are the rules here about duplicating text from other sites? Does the wiki have authorization from some site owners (Encyclopedia of Arda, for example) to use their material word for word? ElfMaven 21:33, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
- Better not copy anything. There still are a lot of articles in the database that are partial or complete rips from EoA or Wikipedia from way back when the site just started. These should be changed (but I'll admit, it's not something actively pursued). -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:43, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for responding. Much of your uncommon or unusual words list is still word for word from EoA, only with some significant additions. Also some of the articles, e.g., "Evrard Took" are the same with only minor differences, not enough to avoid copyright infringement.
- (I have read EoA extensively, and I was just re-reading the "Old & Rare Words" section last week. I started trying to research the phrase "stock and stone" and found this site.) ElfMaven 14:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Dates
Is it fair to say that we've settled on using the templates ({{FA|, etc.) for the vast majority of in-universe years? If so the latter two bullet points in the Dates section should be removed.
In their place, I think there should be a mention of real-world years. Also, especially, how to handle full dates (15 March vs. March 15; 15 March 2001 vs. 15 March 2001; and so many other permutations). —Aulë the Smith (Tk·Cb) 09:13, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
[edit] alterations
I see that the article is not locked to be edited by administrators only. I wonder if it is proper to make some small corrections-clarifications. I would like to rewrite some points which might seem unclear to a newcomer, add some examples, and point out some common mistakes not covered in the article. Sage 07:20, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
- Fine by me. I don't think a lock is necessary at this point.--Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:38, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Additional stylistic suggestions
If we could add guidance on the case structure of section headings - i.e. First letter of the first word capitalized the rest not, e.g. "See also" rather than "See Also" - I believe that would be useful. Additionally, if we could note that the first occurrence of a relevant subject should be wikilinked and subsequent mentions need not that, too, would help. Pallando 19:51, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
- Indeed. Everybody agree on "first word capitalized" in article headings? Same for categories? --Morgan 20:40, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
- I don't mind. --Amroth 21:04, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
- Hello, could you clarify it - if a name of a character/person/place/other appears several times in a text it should be linked only in the first sentence where it appears? (Apart infobox.) I just linked numerous times people and fictional characters on a journal page with editors, authors and artists list, which took a long time and now I see it was wrong. More, should I wikilink people/names in artworks and articles titles or not?--Sirielle 19:02, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
- I don't mind. --Amroth 21:04, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
- That's what I decided to do - linking people again in a different sections of an article. In huge text it could be hard to find a link, also someone could be reading only some paragraphs/sections of articles while they are looking for a specific information.--Sirielle 17:31, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
[edit] How to render titles
For books it's nothing to discuss, we follow the standard italic form used in English. For articles, and chapters in books, our old standard is to use quotation marks, "X". However, what do we do with titles of poems? I'm always a little uncertain about this when editing.--Morgan 22:45, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
[edit] Only relevant links?
I commented out the guideline mentioning that only words relevant to the context should be linked. Even if there is a justification behind it, I don't see anyone following it.
Does this guideline means that if we mention that Gandalf once walked among roses, we should not put a link to the roses article, because otherwise Gandalf has no relation to roses?
I understand that this derives from Wikipedia, which contains all kind of information, both from the real world, art or fiction, and that would make overly complicated the whole link-web of its database. But I don't think this rule serves any purpose here. Sage 19:43, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
- I agree with you, this guideline does not appear to be relevant here.--Morgan 20:21, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
[edit] Canon
There seems to be some confusion as to what is to be regarded as canon. According to the Manual of Style, anything written by someone else than Tolkien is not canon – implying that everything Tolkien wrote is. But this is contradicted by the Canon article, which makes the question justifiably more complex. However, neither of the definitions explain why, for instance, http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Square_of_the_Palace would not be canon. (It is of course easy to say that anything mentioned only in The Book of Lost Tales is not canon, but this is nowhere stated.) Elros 08:36, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
- Welcome to TG, Elros (and it's always nice to see another fellow countryman)! This is the background (in short) behind the current situation, from my perspective: a couple of years ago we were trying to create a "canon scale" on TG, so we could grade the "canonical" status of certain concepts. We had much debate concerning how to create this scale, and made a temporary decision to use a simple non-canon template for articles about concepts not appearing in the works published during J.R.R. Tolkien's lifetime. However, we also abandoned this strategy, since we now have the goal to include references for every article (and thus readers can decide the "canonicity" themselves). The non-canon template which appears on the article you mention ("Square of the Palace") is an artifact from the interim period before we decided to leave the question of canon to the readers. That is not to say, though, that sometimes it can be complex to determine Tolkien's intention for a certain concept (e.g., like the well-known Celeborn case), which is why we try to include the section "Other versions of the legendarium" where appropriate. --Morgan 11:06, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the welcome, it's good to be here! Then I assume the { { Noncanon } } template can be removed whenever it is found, since it is an "artifact"? --Elros 12:10, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
- My recommendation would be to remove the template in those cases where the article clearly states the origin of the concept (either with a reference and/or in the text itself). --Morgan 12:13, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
- Now that the matter has been brought up, I have also observed (and followed) that "non-canon" articles are usually written in an out-of-universe manner. See for example the first paragraph of Luthany written by myself, whereas canonical articles are written in a historical style. I perceived this as asubtle and unofficial way to indicate non-canonicity. Sage 13:00, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
[edit] The Oxford comma and micro-edits
I have lately noticed a trend of micro-edits on punctuation. A focus of some of these brief edits is simply to remove the Oxford comma as per the editor's personal preference, but it is also erroneously done, just to remove commas that appear before and when and is acting as a coordinating conjunction between independent clauses or to remove commas around transitions. Although I think it is fair to fix the latter examples, as to the former, what is the style preference on TG for the Oxford (or serial) comma? Use it in general, use it only when clarity requires it, or do not use it at all?
Also, what is the opinion on series of style-based micro-edits? We all have to go in and fix little typos sometimes, but habitually, is it frowned upon or considered fine as needed? --Elf-esteem 17:47, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- There is nothing wrong with the Oxford comma. I'd say a combination of the first two options is best. As for micro-edits, edits of only what Wikipedia calls "ENGVAR" (Regional variations in English") is generally not appreciated and I think the Oxford comma falls under that. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:06, 23 March 2016 (UTC)


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Veterans honored in special Memorial Day ceremony
Across the country, Americans gathered to honor and remember those who've served our country and the ones who made the ultimate sacrifice.
More than 2,000 people gathered at Memorial Park for one of the largest services in Nebraska on Memorial Day.
Flags flew at half-staff as veterans and the community honored those who died defending the county in a special ceremony.
"We owe these men and women the utmost gratitude for their sacrifice to ensure our free country, the envy of the world," said Congressman Lee Terry.
Bagpipes and a gun salute were followed by an Omaha police helicopter flyover.
Veterans who attended the ceremony said they hope no one forgets that freedom comes at a price, especially children.
"We probably haven't told them enough stories about the people who have given their lives and risked their lives to make that promise a reality," said Lee Terry Sr.
An 11-year-old took the ceremony's message to heart.
"I'd say they're heroes of our country and more than just friends, they're also heroes," Brenden McCarthy said.
Tim Wood honored his fallen son by reenacting history. He wore the same outfit Nebraska soldiers wore in the 1800s at Fort Atkinson.
"I am really honored to be out here. It's an honor to be here along with the other service members," Wood said.
Wood lost his 18-year-old son, Eddie Wood, to a roadside bomb in Afghanistan three years ago.
"All I feel is a huge sense of pride really. There's sadness of course. I miss him very much, but you still have to realize the honor of being out here for the remembrance of him," he said.
He said he never treats Memorial Day as a sad day because of the brave people who choose to defend their county.
"To me, as long as we're still remembering them, they're never gone," Wood said.

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Adobe Rolls Out Media Player 1.0
Adobe rolled out its simply named Media Player 1.0 software, early this morning. Built on Adobe's Air platform, the app is designed to offer media companies a branding opportunity built into the player itself--the company has already announced deals with a litany of high profile media partners, including CBS, MTV Networks, Universal Music Group, PBS, CondéNet, and Scripps Networks.
Adobe Media Player 1.0 is capable of streaming downloaded video in the Flash format, which can be view in 1080p, 720p, or 480i resolutions. The app also makes it possible to subscribe to TV shows and other episodic online video content, which will be automatically downloaded to the player, like video podcasts.
Media Player is offering a wide variety of available content off the bat including CBS selections like CSI: New York, CSI: Miami, Big Brother, Star Trek, Melrose Place, Hawaii Five-O, The Twilight Zone and MacGyver; clips from MTV shows The Hills, MTV News, and Yo! MTV Raps; and additional programming from HGTV, Food Network, Epicurious.com, Style.com, Wired.com, PBS, and Universal Music Group.
The company also announced today the launch of the Media Player network, Adobe TV, a channel aimed specifically at providing users instructional programs targeted at users of Adobe apps.
Users can download the app for Windows and Mac directly from Adobe's site.


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To the Editor
The Estherville Lincoln Central High School Wrestling team wants to take the time to thank the community for the remarkable support we have received this year. We were only fortunate enough to perform at ELC twice this year, but the fans turned out on each occasion to support us. We have had many fundraisers over the last 12 months, and each and every one of them had been a tremendous success. Whether it was donating your empty cans or bottles, buying our tailgate food, writing checks, or donating to the Booster Club; we cannot say thank you enough.
The Parents of our wrestlers have been a large supporting group of our program this year. They donate a great deal of their time preparing for these fundraisers or tailgate events that help us raise this money; not to mention come support their children on a regular basis. They do this without question and often times at the last second. These events simply could not be done without them.
We need to specifically thank KILR Radio and the Estherville Daily News for all the coverage of the wrestling team this year. Whether it is wrestling or any other extra curricular event happening at ELC, these two institutions provide beyond great coverage of our students. It is truly neat to see the pride the kids have when their events are highlighted in the community by these two institutions.
Our recent trip to the State Tournament is a great example of how our community pulls together for the benefit of the students. Teamwork between businesses in the surrounding area were able to fund the trip of Mr. Dave Van Roekel and the great coverage of KILR, who covered many 1A and 2A athletes in the area. Photos from Dan Voigt of E'burg Publishing were shared with The Estherville Daily News to bring you visual highlights of your wrestlers' matches.
We cannot express in words how grateful we are for everyone's contributions this year! Even the simple "Good Luck" from a random stranger means so much. We truly owe part of our success this year to you and we hope to have many more successful years to come with our great community supporting us the entire way!
The Coaches of ELC's Wrestling Team
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For discussion of Electric Universe and Plasma Cosmology. The ideas and opinions expressed on this forum do not necessarily reflect those of T-Bolts Group Inc or The Thunderbolts Project(TM)
Michael Gmirkin wrote:When one looks at the annual or "since inception" lightning map of LIS / OTD data, one sees that Africa still bears much of the brunt of electrical activity around the globe. Any idea why that is? I mean, do particular features of Africa make it more of a target? Is their weather that significantly different from other weather around the globe such that they receive that much more lightning?
Now that I revisit the data, it makes more sense.
There's actually a band of lightning distribution around (at and slightly above/below) the equator akin to the plasma torus that was recently "discovered" (despite the fact it should have been obvious from Birkeland's terella experiments, most of which developed a similar torus around the equator).
(Optical Transient Detector [OTD] Global Lightning Distribution since launch.)
(Plasma Bands)
It also makes sense when taken with the solar cycle and sunspots.
As I recall rather vividly from images of the sun and sunspots, over the solar cycle, the solar flares tend to migrate in "bands" toward the poles and/or back to the equator. This can be seen in time-lapse videos of the sun. You'll see a big band around the equator morph into smaller bands at higher and lower latitudes over time.
I've noticed a very similar pattern in lightning distribution over time in the LIS / OTD data.
(Keep in mind, that whereas the OTD data was world-spanning, LIS is centered around the equator and cuts off some of the interesting stuff at the higher and lower latitudes. But I think information gleaned from the OTD data, before the data was cut off at the end of the OTD instrument's life cycle, can still be applied and rolled forward in the LIS data.) I'm assuming it's all cyclical just like the solar cycle.
When you watch OTD full data set in time lapse, you see migrating bands of lightning distribution in the monthly sets (it blurs together a bit, however, in the yearly or total distributions), which pretty clearly demonstrates the plasma torus and "migrating bands" pattern.
That matches up handily with Birkeland's terella. That man was about 30 kinds of genius, I'll tell you!
The images seem to show that the plasma torus remains appx at the equator, but the discharges seem to oscillate from centered around the equator, to off-centered above/below the equator.
(Centered on the equator)
(Neighboring the equator)
I wouldn't doubt but that in the experiments, the distributions of arc spots may have oscillated (perhaps with variance of input?) much as solar flares and indeed lightning distribution on Earth do...
pln2bz wrote:Don't forget the Valles Marineris scar on Mars. As mentioned on Holoscience, it appears as though a rotating torus has swiped the planet.
Pfhoenix wrote:mgmirkin :
What's really interesting is not just the equatorial banding, but that the local concentration of lightning centers roughly over each landmass; that is to say, each landmass that falls under that equatorial band has its lightning distribution centered on the center of that land mass.
Are there any more maps of that nature but with finer granularity over, say, the US?
Plasmatic MnemoHistory wrote:When I turn off the lights and leave on the ionizer from my experiment the wires glow with plasma ,and you can see what looks like flashes directly under the wires.It has a lightning/aurorae look to it.But its not like fillaments per say more like an wide field/curtain of plasma.It always depends on how much dust is present on the wires.not sure the exact correlation. But I do see what looks exactly like the dots on the orbs above.
Plasmatic MnemoHistory wrote:I have a pair of night vision goggles,so ill try to see if the camera will "see" through them. I ve wondered if I left it on would I see any erosion as well.Ill clean the grid and put fresh talc and see.But it really looks like a heat lightning storm. Also when you view the surface the plasma is touching it appears to glow as well.
Solar wrote:Two things, this is a very good thread.
I'm sure I remember seeing the movie you mentioned regarding the movement of sunspots from upper regions towards the equator. It was a long time ago and I couldn't find anything on the net. But I know that i've seen it.
When related to the Sun and the known movement of Sun spots from upper and lower lattitudes towards it's equator,
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