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13-10-2008 14:01
China tries to limit the impact of global financial crisis
"Our orders from European countries have fallen by 20 percent so far this month, and we've cut our profit margin by nearly 50 percent to maintain business growth," says Pan, a manager at Zhejiang Grand Import and Export Co, adding he never expected the financial turbulence on Wall Street to have such a major impact in such a short period of time.
"The US financial market is not just the US market itself, it is the world financial market. What is good for the US is also good for every country, including China," says Guo Shuqing, chairman of China Construction Bank.
As the world's second largest owner of US debt, Chinese decision-makers are quite clear about this point and promised to "join hands" with other nations to tackle the deepest financial crisis since the 1930s. But the question is what kind of rescuer could China be?
"The biggest contribution we can make to the world economy under the current circumstances is to maintain China's strong, stable and relatively fast growth, and avoid big fluctuations," Premier Wen Jiabao said at the recently concluded 2008 Summer Davos in Tianjin.
And many economists echo his viewpoint.
High growth
"The most helpful measure China can take now is to maintain its robust growth, thus it could be a buffer for the rest of the world," says Louis Kuijs, senior economist of the World Bank's Beijing office.
Peng Wensheng, head of China Research at Barclays, says a sound economy and a stable financial market are the prerequisites for China to make any other moves to help ease the global storm.
So far, China has been relatively unscathed by the crisis. The country remains a huge net exporter of savings, boasting the world's largest foreign reserves of $1.8 trillion; the financial system is awash with cash; and capital account controls shield it from volatile outflows. But that does not means China will be immune to an economic downturn.
With the US and the EU accounting for about 40 percent of China's total exports, the country's exports are sensitive to weaker demand in industrialized countries. And lackluster exports will likely translate into poor performance of corporate earnings and weak confidence, dampening the investment appetite in export-oriented industries.
Meanwhile, China's double-digit GDP growth is expected to drop to around 9 percent in 2009. The benchmark Shanghai Composite index has dropped nearly 60 percent so far this year, and inflation rates remain above policymakers' comfort zone.
To boost China's economy, and also as part of concerted efforts by global central banking authorities to respond to the global crisis, the People's Bank of China on Wednesday cut the interest rate by 0.27 percentage points and the reserve requirement ratio by 0.5 percentage points. In addition, in order to boost domestic demand, the State Council scrapped the 5 percent individual income tax on savings interest earnings on Thursday.
More rate cuts?
And to boost the economy, the government is very likely to bring about a further easing of monetary policy and a more simulative fiscal policy in the form of tax cuts and extra government spending, experts say.
"We are expecting the central bank to take another two rate cuts by 0.27 percentage points each in the following six months," says Peng Wensheng.
While striving to keep China's economy on the right track, the government may also continue to buy US treasuries.
Though the central bank has denied media reports that China will buy up to $200 billion worth of US treasuries to help Washington combat the deepening financial crisis, experts say US treasuries remain a comparatively safe investment for China.
"We can hardly see any signs that China will stop buying US assets because of the financial chaos," says Louis Kuijs.
But Chinese financial investors, who used to top the list of "saviors" of Western financial institutions hungry for cash to see them through the global credit crisis, have kept their hands conspicuously in their pockets.
"We will tighten the purse strings and spend every penny carefully," Jiang Jianqing, chairman of the Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd, told the Tianjin Davos gathering.
Jiang's comments indicate the world's largest lender by assets is unlikely to take stakes in ailing US financial institutions just because their prices are low.
"As a commercial bank, we don't favor bargain hunting. We will still focus on strategic investment rather than financial investment," he says.
Earlier this month, insurance firm Ping An shelved its plan to purchase a 50 percent stake in Fortis' asset management company. In April , Ping An and Fortis signed an agreement to buy the Fortis' asset management company for 2.15 billion euros.
In September, the government also abandoned a $10 billion plan by China Development Bank to buy Germany's Dresdner Bank from insurer Allianz.
Chinese financial institutions have a sound reason for their caution now. Almost every high-profile Chinese purchase of an overseas financial institution made last year is now deeply in the red. That includes China Investment Corp's stake in US private equity firm Blackstone, which has lost near ly50 per cent of its paper value; CIC's investment in Morgan Stanley, which is down almost 20 per cent; and CDB's investment in Barclays Bank, which has dropped more than 50 per cent. Ping An's investment in Franco-Belgian insurer Fortis has also lost more than half its value since it took the stake last November.
Food for thought
Chinese financial institutions are learning the hard way in overseas acquisitions. And the ongoing financial crisis also offers more food for thought.
China's financial professionals used to be envious of their foreign counterparts who could easily roll out very sophisticated products. But this time, they shall partly contribute to the country's efforts to limit the impact of the crisis.
"We should take a new approach to product innovation in the financial sector. Appropriate innovation shall be encouraged, but excessive innovation should be strictly regulated," says Yang Mingsheng, vice-chairman of China Insurance Regulatory Commission.
According to Fan Wenzhong, the China Banking Regulatory Commission's deputy research chief, the government may thwart new financial products including derivatives in order to avoid the subprime crisis that's wreaked havoc on the US credit market.
The regulator will instead improve risk-management practices and force banks to put checks in place to prevent Asia's second-biggest capital market from being roiled, he told a conference in Beijing.
"The subprime crisis is far from over, so China's regulator should enhance risk awareness and protection, putting the emphasis on ensuring financial stability rather than innovation," Fan says, adding China's financial reform is "not about speed, it's about stability".
For Michael Pettis, a professor at Peking University's Guanghua School of Management, derivatives can improve the efficiency of markets, but they cannot create an efficient and stable market.
It is only the existence of a diverse investor base, with plenty of fundamental and relative value investors, as well as some speculators, that can create a market that allocates capital efficiently, he says.
"In order for China to have such an investor base it is far more important that investors have better financial and economic information and a mechanism to enforce discipline on managers than shiny but dangerous derivative toys, which can exacerbate self-reinforcing behavior," says Pettis.
The crisis, on the other hand, also underscores the need for regulatory reform.
"The current financial crisis that has pushed major Wall Street players into bankruptcy means that leaders from the business world have called upon all countries to help improve matters. No one is an island. What we need is international cooperation," says Liu Mingkang, chairman of the China Banking Regulatory Commission.
The coordinated rate cuts taken by six central banks on Wednesday, in fact, also show international regulators' determination to strengthen their cooperation.
But Charles Dallara, managing director of the Institute of International Finance (IIF), a global association of financial services firms with more than 390 member institutions, believes that effective multilateral cooperation requires the reform of current global institutional arrangements.
"A new global regulatory coordinating body should be established to monitor and coordinate financial regulation and supervision on an internationally consistent and convergent basis, for systemically important firms," he says.
According to World Bank President Robert Zoellick, the Group of Seven (G7) developed nations is no longer effective and should be replaced by a steering group that includes emerging economic powers like China, India and Brazil.
14-11-2008 14:55
Excellent article.
There are some very innovative suggestions. An example is the Open Letter to President-Elect Obama in
Some partial extracts include:
(3) The Innovative Alternatives
Modern Wealth is the quality and quantity of meaningful economic activities. We must increase these meaningful economic activities. Two of the coming pillars are:
(a) Lead-out-energy machines and
(b) Flying saucers.
In USA, the Jupiter Financial Group based in Corning, Arkansas funded a 225 HP Pulse Motor. That particular motor is known to USA Government sources as it was prevented from being sent from the USA in October 2006 to China. That particular motor uses batteries to start. Once started, it leads out magnetic energy (more correctly electron motion energy) and runs without burning any fossil fuel. That particular group could not understand the source of energy at that time. I met them including their Chairman, Mr. John W. Bush, at Tsinghua University, Beijing. (Contact Information - telephone: xxxxxx, email:xxxxxx)
I explained the theory behind their invention and also extended the explanation to the design of a flying saucer. The explanation is available at
These innovative solutions will let the World focus on the potential of non-polluting, virtual inexhaustible and easy-to-extract energy. The technology can be applied to replacing all power plants, home generators and every electrical appliance. The opportunity for further development and investment is huge. The flying saucer technology is also mentioned in the same presentation. The prospect of that is even greater – the flying saucer is likely to replace the home as the most important asset of every family. It can fly to anywhere including outer space.
14-11-2008 15:02
More on Flying Saucer
Mr. Lee Cheung Kin supplied the Appendix on a Flying Saucer Prototype in the Open Letter to President-Elect Obama.
The PowerPoint presentation of that invention is available in:
The flying saucer can replace the home as the most important asset of every family. It can fly anywhere including outer space.
14-11-2008 15:09
More on Innovation
One of the most important mindset in solving the global financial crisis is the willingness to jump out from the box. Or be innovative.
The ebook on Innovation - The Story of Lawrence Tseung is in:
The other ebook on How to win the Economic War writter ten years ago on how to deal with the Asian Financial crisis is in:
Some of the important innovative concepts are explained - such as
(1) Mutual Credits,
(2) Sure-win businesses,
(3) Smart Cards,
(4) Money as a number in a trusted financial institution.
14-11-2008 16:15
Open Letter to President-Elect Obama
I like the analysis:
Let me simplify the steps so that we can have a meaningful discussion. The following simplified steps bring out the root of the problem.
(a) The Federal Reserve Bank creates Money.
(b) The money is passed to private banks. These banks can further magnify the money by leverage – loan out more than they receive in deposits.
(c) Since banks earn interest from thin air, it is to their advantage to loan out as much as possible.
(d) The Federal Reserve Bank and the private banks created too much money over the years. If the money were used to buy real goods and services, the price of such goods and services will go sky-high
(e) Some guys in Wall Street thought up derivatives and helped to create the biggest casino in the World.
(f) The banks sell and buy the derivatives with no real assets. The excess money found a way to circulate without causing huge inflation.
(g) With no sensible Government monitoring, some guys in Wall Street extended the madness into the mortgage market.
(h) They loaned to individuals without vigorous checking. The assumption was that the property prices would go up. If the individual failed to pay, the real estate would have value. The banks could sell such property.
(i) To improve liquidity, the mortgage was packaged into financial instruments and sold as grade A assets all over the World.
(j) The mortgage companies and banks could loan out more and earn more interest from thin air. The derivative financial papers inflated the value so much that selling the underlying assets will not get the paper buyers any significant money.
(k) The bubble eventually burst. USA real estate prices stopped going up and started falling. Many investors and homeowners defaulted. The so-called grade A assets lost value.
(l) Some of the largest mortgage companies, Investment Banks and Savings Banks started to collapse. The George Bush Government did not see the danger immediately. They allowed some of these so called trusted financial institutions to fail. That caused panic Worldwide. Even the Hong Kong citizens lost billions in the Lehman Brother Papers.
(m) Many banks sold and owned many financial papers. They became reluctant to loan and got worried about their own survival. Many also issued similar derivative based financial papers.
(n) Once Banks became reluctant to loan out money, many legitimate businesses suffered or collapsed. This is how we got into the present financial crisis.
This is the clearest explanation of the cause of the financial crisis I have read so far.
14-11-2008 16:30
Open Letter to President-Elect Obama
Dear MargaretLo,
Thank you for reading the Open Letter in
It took us sometime to understand the cause of the present Global Financial Crisis.
In the Financial World, one key word is TRUST. Money is just a number in a trusted financial institution. The Investment Banks in USA sold too many innovative financial products including derivatives that had no underlying value.
Once that TRUST or blind faith in Wall Street is gone, those financial papers became worthless. When Lehman Brothers was allowed to collapse, many investors lost heavily on what they believed to be very safe investment. Even the largest Investment Banks had to convert to Commerical Banks to save themselves.
Rebuilding that TRUST will take time. But the World Leaders cannot allow a meltdown of the Financial System Worldwide. Some compromise must be made.
The voice from China will be heard. It is a good opportunity for China. Can China use this opportunity well?
14-11-2008 17:12
Open Letter to President-Elect Obama
Dear ltseung888,
Do you think that the buying of foreclosure homes by the US Government is a necessary step to restore TRUST?
If not, what are the alternatives?
14-11-2008 17:55
Open Letter to President-Elect Obama
Dear Maggie,
You raised an excellent question. I have to answer that in multiple parts.
The answer is quite complicated. Part 1 –
the question of TRUST.
TRUST is a very abstract thing. Many Governments now guarantee Bank Deposits with no upper limit. If one trusts the Government, one will be happy to leave the money with any Bank including the newly formed Commercial Bank of Goldman Sache etc.
When the financial paper of questionable value matures, one may just convert it into cash and leave it with one of the International Branches of Goldman Sache where the Government has no-upper-limit guarantees. Thus Goldman Sache does not need to default on its financial papers.
Such an arrangement does not depend on the underlying value of the financial papers but on the Government guarantees. TRUST can be restored because the holders of financial papers feel that
they will not lose any money
(This is the reason why Goldman Sache and other Investment Banks became Commercial Banks.)
14-11-2008 22:15
Open Letter to President-Elect Obama
Dear Maggie,
Question: Do you think that the buying of foreclosure homes by the US Government is a necessary step to restore TRUST?
Part 2 – The price of houses in USA
The most important asset for the average USA family is the home. The average American families are willing to put much resource to improving their homes. They will trade up when their income increases.
Previously, about 10 years ago, Banks were very cautious in their lending practice. They would lend approximate two-years salary of the family. That put a ceiling on the price of the average home. Then they relax the rules. Some Banks even ignored the checking of income. The Banks thought that if the price of houses were always upwards, they could always recover the loan by selling the foreclosed properties. They were right for a period of a few years.
Unfortunately, the situation went out of hand with no effective monitoring. Some individual obtained loans that were totally out-of-line with their income. They could not possibly accord the mortgage. Some even gambled to have two or more houses – hoping to sell and make profit with the appreciating housing value. The unfortunate part is that some were successful. That encouraged many more to follow. That created the property bubble.
As with all bubbles, they will burst eventually. In the case of USA, the Wall Street guys invented financial papers based on such property and/or mortgages and sold such financial papers worldwide. Some even packaged such with derivatives and the whole thing depended on TRUST to continue. Once that TRUST is gone, such financial papers become worthless – as evidenced by the Lehman Brother papers when it collapsed.
In a free market, when there are many vacant houses (excess supply), the price of houses will fall. This created the phenomena of people with negative worth – familiar to Hong Kong Citizens. For example, one owns properties worth US$2 million and have total mortgage of US$160 million. The net worth is US$40 million. When the value of property drops by 30%, the property is worth only US$140 million. The person joins the rank of the negative worth. If the person loses his job, he might be forced to declare bankruptcy. Such a person is even worse than poor – psychologically and credit wise.
Thus Governments cannot allow price of houses to fall too much. When and how to rescue is important. If the politicians are divided, the result may even be panic and meltdown.
16-11-2008 09:59
Sure-win Business and Smart Card
Dear Lawrence,
I find the concept of sure-win business and smart cards intriguing. They are described somewhat in
However, I still do not understand how they can be implemented? Do you think that they are the right medicine for the present global financial crisis?
16-11-2008 12:26
Sure-win Businesses and Smart Card
Dear Maggie,
In order to understand sure-win businesses and Smart Cards, we need to first understand the following:
(1) A Government must increase its money supply in order for its citizens to get wealthy as a whole. If there were no increase in the money supply, the only way will be via redistribution. In redistribution, if one gets richer, someone must get poorer.
(2) However, this increase must be carefully controlled to avoid excessive inflation. The increase in money supply must be in step with the increase in meaningful economic activity.
(3) Some Governments use Banks or other Financial Institutions to do this task for them. A Government must be seen as just, fair and one section cannot contradict another. This inflexibility in many cases will hamper successful implementation.
Once the above is understood, the concept of sure-win business and smart cards can be understood easily.
(1) The sure-win businesses essentially receive some of the income from the controlled increase in money supply either directly or indirectly. For example, in a model restaurant, there could be 24-hour monitoring cameras for the investors to have a glimpse of the business environment. The income and expenses can be reported automatically daily. The shareholders can vote on some of the decisions on-line. The initial model can be developed with Government funds from the 'increased money supply'.
(2) The Government can own some shares in these model restaurants. It can help to increase their businesses by issuing coupons for the Civil Servants to eat in such restaurants. It can ask these restaurants to provide or deliver food to Old People's Home etc. The money essentially comes from the 'increased money supply'.
(3) The Smart Card essentially gives a bit of the 'increase money supply' to every citizen to buy approved goods and services. The underprivileged can receive more. This serves both as a safety net and a distribution of the 'increased money supply'.
(4) If the Model Restaurants accept the use of the Smart Card as payment, their businesses will further increase. The chance of creating 'sure-win' businesses will be very high. The Government can then sell some of its shares to 'absorb back some of the increased money supply'.
(5) Such practices should not be over done. It is a matte of coordinating the planning right hand with the market driven left hand.
(6) The full model can be implemented in one or more selected cities first. It is not the classic socialism or communism. It is the new model of ensuring every one gets a piece of the new pie created with new technologies such as infinite lead-out-energy and flying saucers (or improvement on existing technologies or models).
These economic concepts must be thoroughly discussed and understood by the econimists and the general public before actual implementation. They can cure the present financial crisis as people are willing to listen to innovative ideas now.
16-11-2008 14:33
Lead-out-energy and flying saucers
Dear Lawrence,
Thank you for explaining sure-win businesses and smart cards. Both are bold and innovative concepts – yet they sound logical. At least the economists will have something interesting to discuss.
Can you elaborate on your last point of how lead-out-energy machines and flying saucers change the World Economy?
16-11-2008 16:40
Lead-out-energy and flying saucers
Dear Maggie,
The lead-out-energy machines essentially solve the World Energy Crisis. The lead-out-energy machines lead out gravitational or electron motion energy. Such energy is pollution-free, virtually inexhaustible and available anywhere including outer space. With infinite energy, the World can have infinite modern wealth – the quality and quantity of meaningful economic activities.
In the lead-out-energy from still air, we have the technology to reverse global warming. Thus technology has come to the rescue once again.
The flying saucer technology essentially replaces all vehicles including cars, ships and airplanes. If you use Internet Explorer, you can see the PowerPoint presentation slides at
http://hk.geocities.com/winghang ... er.files/frame.htm.
The flying saucer can takeoff and land vertically. It will not eject any hot gases. It will not disturb the air as it does not use propellers. It will likely replace the home as the most important asset of every family. It is effective the home but it can fly anywhere including outer space.
The additional bonus of these two technologies is that China has an undeniable position. The East will shine. This will stimulate the citizens of China, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Korea, etc. The West no longer has the complete dominance in science and technology. The World will re-examine every rule and regulation – in science and in economics. The coming progress will be faster than any other period in human history.
16-11-2008 20:22
Lead-out-energy and flying saucers
Dear Lawrence,
I have read the ebook in
Your story is interesting and there are many innovative suggestions.
Are you getting support from the Chinese Universities on the theory of lead-out-energy machines and flying saucers?
How about the Western Universities? Do you need help in getting the Western Universities to examine your material? I can activate the Old Girls' network in England and USA if you do not object.
What are the experiments or prototypes you can bring to USA if there is sufficient interest? I am in Los Angeles.
17-11-2008 02:53
The flying saucer experiment
Dear Maggie,
Let me describe the prototypes or experiments that can be shared worldwide one-by-one. The first one I would like to talk about is the flying saucer prototype provided by Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and team. Mr. Lee sent the information out in an open letter to President-Elect Obama as soon as Mr. Obama had a commanding lead on November 4, 2008. Mr. Lee wanted to ensure a spot in the expected scientific development of the flying saucer technology for him and his team.
The full PowerPoint presentation can be viewed in Internet Explorer - available in
http://hk.geocities.com/winghang ... er.files/frame.htm.
The most important experiment is experiment001 in slide 3. In this experiment, a rectangular container is placed on a flat, smooth surface. In the middle of the container is an electromagnet that can repel two permanent magnets with equal mass at equal velocity towards the two ends of the rectangle. One end is a hard, smooth surface. The other end is a padded surface. The net force is expected to move the rectangular container towards the direction of the hard surface.
That particular experiment is an absolute confirmation of the China Patent application 200510120813.5 with inventors Wini Woo, Bill Fong and Lawrence Tseung. Mr. Lee Cheung Kin worked with his Military College Alumni friends in May 2008 and had a flying saucer prototype flying in a stadium in China at the last week in October 2008. He is taking full responsibility for the demonstration, disclosure or publicity of that prototype. He can be contacted in Hong Kong at (852) 2707 9729 or email:
Experiment001 cannot be wrong both theoretically and experimentally. Yet some people raised the objection to reactionless drives or inertia propulsion. They said that according to Newton's Third Law – action is equal to reaction; such inertia propulsion systems are impossible.
If you have connection with the Physics or Electrical Departments of Universities, please ask them to replicate experiment001 and publish their independent results.
17-11-2008 02:54
The flying saucer experiment
Dear Maggie,
Let me describe the prototypes or experiments that can be shared worldwide one-by-one. The first one I would like to talk about is the flying saucer prototype provided by Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and team. Mr. Lee sent the information out in an open letter to President-Elect Obama as soon as Mr. Obama had a commanding lead on November 4, 2008. Mr. Lee wanted to ensure a spot in the expected scientific development of the flying saucer technology for him and his team.
The full PowerPoint presentation can be viewed in Internet Explorer - available in
http://hk.geocities.com/winghang ... er.files/frame.htm.
The most important experiment is experiment001 in slide 3. In this experiment, a rectangular container is placed on a flat, smooth surface. In the middle of the container is an electromagnet that can repel two permanent magnets with equal mass at equal velocity towards the two ends of the rectangle. One end is a hard, smooth surface. The other end is a padded surface. The net force is expected to move the rectangular container towards the direction of the hard surface.
That particular experiment is an absolute confirmation of the China Patent application 200510120813.5 with inventors Wini Woo, Bill Fong and Lawrence Tseung. Mr. Lee Cheung Kin worked with his Military College Alumni friends in May 2008 and had a flying saucer prototype flying in a stadium in China at the last week in October 2008. He is taking full responsibility for the demonstration, disclosure or publicity of that prototype. He can be contacted in Hong Kong at (852) 2707 9729 or email:
Experiment001 cannot be wrong both theoretically and experimentally. Yet some people raised the objection to reactionless drives or inertia propulsion. They said that according to Newton's Third Law – action is equal to reaction; such inertia propulsion systems are impossible.
If you have connection with the Physics or Electrical Departments of Universities, please ask them to replicate experiment001 and publish their independent results.
17-11-2008 05:59
The flying saucer experiment
Dear Lawrence,
Experiment001 looks simple enough. My University training tells me that it is scientifically correct. Newton's Third Law was never violated. I would like to hear more from those raising such objections.
I shall be glad to pass the information on Experiment001 to my old girl's network and to some University Professors I personally know.
Have you written scientific papers on this topic to scientific journals? The peer review process will give it more weight?
17-11-2008 06:24
The flying saucer experiment
Dear Maggie,
I have not written scientific papers on this topic to scientific journals yet. One of the reasons was the publication of the experiment001-experiment005 details. Mr. Lee Cheung Kin sent the information to President-Elect Obama without previous consultation with members of his team.
The information could bring vast fame and fortune to him and team. When there is such interest dangling in front of them, they need time to sort out what to do.
My personal goal is to benefit the world. I already published the second slide with the stick figure sending two balls in opposite direction inside a spacecraft in various forums since 2006. I encourage all interested scientists and engineers to do Experiment001. It may even be standard textbook material in a few years. Optionally, these scientists or engineers can email the information back to me at
or to my granddaughter
My personal belief is that China, USA and a number of Countries have already developed some form of man-made flying saucer based on similar principles. Some of the UFO sightings are real. However such information is kept as top-secret as the military significance is high. The flying saucers can potentially wipe out all planes, missiles, spaceships etc.
However, if every Country, every University and every Research Institute knows Experiment001, there is no secret any more. China, USA and other Countries may then release the information to benefit the World.
17-11-2008 07:12
The flying saucer experiment
Found this from
Looks like some person at the Orleans University in France has done a similar experiment as Experiment001.
I shall contact him for additional details.
17-11-2008 10:03
The flying saucer experiment
Dear Lawrence,
Thank you for your posts related to the flying saucer. The youtube video appears to be Experiment001+Experiment002. It looks simple enough to replicate.
Is the Lee and team prototype a larger scale version that can generate enough force to hover and fly? If so, what is the military secret?
17-11-2008 12:29
The flying saucer experiment
Dear Lawrence,
I also found this on youtube:
What is your opinion on this UFO in Nanjing?
17-11-2008 13:03
The flying saucer experiment
Dear Maggie,
I know about the Nanjing UFO video. It is much more sophisticated than the present Lee Cheung Kin prototype. According to Mr. Lee, that craft was produced by students in a Military School. That craft was supposed to be a military secret. It already used lead-out-energy.
It is my strong belief that China, USA, Japan and some other Countries already produced some sort of flying saucer. With the discovered youtube video by the French scientists, Experiment001 is basically confirmed. The device in the video does not use padding but it uses pulsing forces. Look at it again carefully:
17-11-2008 13:41
Lead-out-energy machines
Dear Lawrence,
Now I understand the flying saucer technology. It is not complicated at all.
Please explain the lead-out-energy devices. I am particularly interested in the USA 225 HP Pulse Motor.
17-11-2008 14:26
Lead-out-energy machines
Dear Maggie,
Please study the presentation slides section in
Ask questions after you have finished your study. Treat the exercise as if you were at university getting ready for your final examination.
You may also find much background information in
in the Lee-Tseung lead out theory thread. But you have to filter out much junk in that forum.
18-11-2008 04:23
Lead-out-energy and flying saucers
Dear Maggie,
The most famous lead-out-energy machine in China is probably the Wang Shenhe Electricity Generator. The details are in
A rotating prototype can be seen at
I am arranging a private demonstration of that device in Shenzhen in the coming weeks. I plan to have pictures and videos of that demonstration published.
When we put the lead-out-energy machines generating electricity on the flying saucers, the world will undergo both an energy and a transportation revolution.
We are living in an exciting world. You are witnessing it.
18-11-2008 04:37
Lead-out-energy and flying saucers
Dear Lawrence,
If you can bring both the Wang electricity generator and the Lee Flying Saucer to USA, I am sure that you and your team will have great publicity. The USA Press will love them. I can see the reason for the Open Letter to President-Elect Obama now.
You already have the theory. It is just a matter of
seeing the working prototypes
. I can smell the military and power significance. The Nation that masters such technologies first will be the leading Nation in this world. No wonder that politics and paid debunkers will appear.
Continue the good work. You have my support. You will soon have the support of my old girls'network.
Demonstrate the two above prototypes and the World will be behind you.
Nothing can stop you then.
Last edited by MargaretLo at 18-11-2008 04:40
19-11-2008 14:35
Flying Saucer
Dear Shshibang,
The official Chinese Name given by Lee Cheung Kin and team is:
My translation is:
The propulsion system using unbalanced forces generated from within the system.
21-11-2008 17:16
Flying Saucer
Dear Lawrence,
I have read some of the discussions related to the flying saucer in overunity forum. What is the argument on Experiment001 about?
http://hk.geocities.com/winghang ... er.files/frame.htm.
The first step is repulsion of two identical magnets by an electromagnet. They will travel with high velocity in equal and opposite directions. That is a simple case of Newton's Third Law (Action = Reaction).
The next step can be separated into hitting the top and the bottom surfaces. The magnet hitting the top padded surface will exert a force F1 given by Newton's Second Law (Force = mass x acceleration or Force = rate of change of momentum). With the padded surface, the time taken to bounce the magnet back is longer. Some of the energy is absorbed and dissipated. The bouncing back velocity will be lower. Thus the Force F1 must be less than F2. F2 assumes an elastic collision with the magnet bouncing back after hitting the bottom surface. The net force on the device F3 must be (F2 – F1) and in the direction of F2.
This is basic Physics. The device will move in the direction of F2 or the unpadded surface. The experimental result must prove the above theory. Just do the simple experiment. Why make things more complicated?
21-11-2008 17:42
Flying Saucer
Dear Maggie,
According to some speculators, the ones in Power would like to keep the Flying Saucer technology a
top secret
. It is like the case of a person who found gold in a dark cave. In order to dissuade others from going into the cave, he invented stories of danger - poisonous snakes and disease-carrying bats etc. He would even claim that his gold was not from that cave.
I am convinced that the theory of the flying saucer is as simple as described in Experiment001 to Experiment005.
Lee Cheung Kin and team already built a working prototype within 6 months.
He wrote an Open Letter to President-Elect Obama to establish the position as the
First Civilian Group
to hold such a prototype. He is aware of many groups in China doing similar experiments. In a way, he is pressuring the Chinese Military to release such information to benefit the world. Some of his team members are from the Military.
The detailed experimental steps are outlined in the overunity forum. If you have further questions, you are welcome to
raise them here
. There is too much distraction in the overunity forum.
21-11-2008 18:59
Flying Saucer
Dear Lawrence,
I am quoting your post in the overunity.com forum:
The full experimental001 details are:
(1) Use similar coil and magnets as shown in your (Tinselkoa) video.
(2) In the transparent tube, put in the two permanent magnets and separate them physically as in the Experiment001 diagram.
(3) On one side of the tube, put in padding material – cotton wool will do. Fill about one third of that part of the tube.
(4) Place the tube on a smooth, level table.
(5) Pass direct current as a single pulse so that the polarity of the magnets and electromagnets are as shown in Experiment001.
(6) Video the experiment and carefully mark the direction of motion of the tube.
You and I both know the result. It will be in the direction towards the unpadded surface. In China, I know that the professor at Tsinghua University and the Lee Cheung Kin Group have done that. Post on this forum if you have any doubts on the experimental setup. Lee Cheung Kin is looking for publicity before the demonstration to President Obama with the full flying saucer prototype.
Is the movement in the direction towards the unpadded surface
to prove your flying saucer theory?
21-11-2008 19:52
Flying Saucer
Dear Maggie,
Is the movement in the direction towards the unpadded surface sufficient to prove your flying saucer theory?
It may not prove it conclusively. But it at least supports the theory. Some people try to use a different theory to explain the observed result (e.g. Tinselkoala). Thus I presented the following in the overunity.com forum,
Dear TinselKoala,
I am sure that the US$250 will not satisfy you or pay for your mortgage. Here is the second part Experiment002.
The detailed specifications are:
(1) Wait until Experiment001 is done and confirmed.
(2) Program the DC current so that after the first strong pulse, there is a weak pulse attracting the two magnets back to the initial position of Experiment001.
(3) The weak pulse should not cause much motion of the tube.
(4) Repeat Experiment001+Experiment002 so that a steady pulse force will move the tube in the direction of the unpadded surface.
(5) Put the tube to a compression scale so that you can measure the pulse force exerted.
(6) Modify the padding and pulsing mechanism so that a long, steady and strong pulse force can be measured. (The cotton wool will be pounded and lose its texture after a few thousand pulses.)
(7) Keep improving (6) until the net pulsing force is greater than the weight of the tube and the magnets.
You may probably need much more than 4 hours to do this part. The Lee Cheung Kin team took a few months to get it right.
The combined Experiment001 and Experiment002 will be much more conclusive. If step (7) has been achieved with a good margin, the flying saucer prototype will be an
absolute certainty
21-11-2008 21:08
Flying Saucer
Dear Lawrence,
Are you saying that Tinselkoala and others may have been misled by the Power about the cave? His understanding or explanation of Experiment001 is wrong.
He already knows the Experiment001 result – the device will move towards the direction of the unpadded surface.
Few forum members are like Lee Cheung Kin and team – spend months improving Experiment001+Experiment002. Tinselkoala does experiments for others for a living. I doubt that he will spend the time and resources to complete and improve Experiment001+Experiment002.
22-11-2008 04:30
Open Letter to the Hong Kong Government
Dear Maggie,
The predicted and feared financial meltdown is coming.
There is record US$$$$$ flowing into Hong Kong, Taiwan etc.
The prediction is that the money that formerly was used to buy derivative products will seek an outlet. As more of the financial papers mature, the cash or raw money will flood all financial markets worldwide.
The stock markets and commodity prices will go sky high. Inflation will be uncontrollable. High interest rates will not help. The holders of such raw money do not need to borrow.
Most Governments are not prepared and have not developed plans to deal with such a meltdown. Where are their think-tanks? Is Hong Kong prepared???
Lawrence Tseung
Director, Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
22-11-2008 04:56
Flying Saucer
Dear Maggie,
Tinselkoala does experiments for others for a living. I doubt that he will spend the time and resources to complete and improve Experiment001+Experiment002.
The posts in the overunity forum are not really intended for the forum members. They are for the many governments – especially China and USA. Their research scientists cannot post anything as they are on top-secret projects. They will enjoy the posts and do the experiments. (They might have already done the posted experiments and more.)
Other Governments
will soon follow
and the World will benefit.
22-11-2008 08:13
Flying Saucer
Dear Lawrence,
I am thinking about your Experiment001+Experiment002:
The detailed specifications are:
(1) Wait until Experiment001 is done and confirmed.
(2) Program the DC current so that after the first strong pulse, there is a weak pulse attracting the two magnets back to the initial position of Experiment001.
(3) The weak pulse should not cause much motion of the tube.
(4) Repeat Experiment001+Experiment002 so that a steady pulse force will move the tube in the direction of the unpadded surface.
(5) Put the tube to a compression scale so that you can measure the pulse force exerted.
(6) Modify the padding and pulsing mechanism so that a long, steady and strong pulse force can be measured. (The cotton wool will be pounded and lose its texture after a few thousand pulses.)
(7) Keep improving (6) until the net pulsing force is greater than the weight of the tube and the magnets.
Does that mean
the pulse rate
is important? How is it related to the resonance frequency of the device? Does it require
physical collision
of the magnets with the surfaces?
I can see that this is an exciting time for the Chinese and other scientists. They are going to have fun. The Experiment001 to Experiment005 are so easy that almost any Country can do them. If Lee Cheung Kin and team can build the prototype within 6 months, these Countries will be able to do the same or better in a shorter time.
The transportation revolution is inevitable.
I can understand why Lee Cheung Kin was so keen in sending the Open Letter to President-Elect Obama. He and his team will have a
place in history
22-11-2008 14:51
Flying Saucer
Dear Lawrence,
I found your following post in the overunity.com forum:
(1) Remote control car in Normal Operation
(2) Remote control car in a Box
The comparison experiments above are to determine whether a propulsion system based on unbalanced internal forces can be built. In (2), the forward motion was increased quickly to the maximum so that it will hit the surface with maximum velocity. The backward motion was increased slowly so as to get back to the starting position inside the box.
This crude experiment done by Ms. Forever Yuen and team is not a replacement for Experiment001 but it is a 'quick and dirty' experiment showing that the work is worthwhile. The possibility of a propulsion system based on unbalanced internal forces is there.
I can understand that while the simple experiment is not conclusive, it does indeed indicate that a propulsion system based on unbalanced internal forces is possible. This line of research should be explored further. Experiment001 is the much more direct conclusive proof. It is a pity that Tinselkoala cannot setup his equipment to do it.
23-11-2008 07:30
Flying Saucer
Dear Lawrence,
I found the diagram of the current to be used on Experiment002 in:
That diagram implies AC current with unusual shape. Is that correct?
23-11-2008 10:07
Flying Saucer
Dear Maggie,
Correct. You are welcome to circulate the information to any group that may have an interest. The World will benefit more if more groups get involved.
24-11-2008 10:00
Flying Saucer
Dear Lawrence,
If Experiment002 were successful as implied in the Lee Cheung Kin Open Letter to President-Elect Obama, what are the implications?
Does it mean that a suitable pulse force can generate unbalanced force from within? If that force can be greater than the weight of the device, anti-gravity will be possible with pulse force in electromagnetic fields?
Does it mean that any object can be made to rise and hover in mid-air? Will the financial return be in trillians?
24-11-2008 17:00
Flying Saucer
Dear Maggie,
You are correct. Any object can be made to rise and hover in mid-air. The requirement may be pulsed unbalanced forces with the right frequency and magnitude. Or Equivalent – circular motion may also be possible.
The Financial Return can indeed be trillions. But that is a dream at the moment. Much more scientific work needs to be done. But the dreams can be sweet and not nightmares!
25-11-2008 04:41
Flying Saucer
Dear Lawrence,
I have been watching the video in:
The remote control car in a box can indeed move the box forward. Can you enhance the effect with a longer box? In a longer box, the forward velocity can be higher. The backward velocity can be slower. This should be a relatively easy experiment to perform. You can even use paper boxes.
25-11-2008 08:34
What is this?
Where can we see this flying saucer thing you are talking about?
25-11-2008 19:52
Flying Saucer
Dear Mr. Danny Chin,
For background information, see
For actual demonstration, contact
Mr. Lee Cheung Kin. He speaks no English. Cantonese or Putonghua is fine.
Phone: (852) 2707 9729 Hong Kong
25-11-2008 19:55
Flying Saucer
Dear Maggir,
I have been watching the video in:
The remote control car in a box can indeed move the box forward. Can you enhance the effect with a longer box? In a longer box, the forward velocity can be higher. The backward velocity can be slower. This should be a relatively easy experiment to perform. You can even use paper boxes.
Good suggestion. I shall ask Ms. Forever Yuen and team to do it.
25-11-2008 23:33
Lead-out-energy machines
Dear Lawrence,
I believe I understand the theory behind the Flying Saucer very well. It relies on
propulsion systems using unbalanced forces generated from within
. I can wait for the experimental results or the working prototype.
Can you explain lead-out-energy machines in a few sentences? The ebook is too long and contains too much information.
26-11-2008 05:34
Lead-out-energy machines
Dear Maggie,
You have to
the presentation file in:
http://hk.geocities.com/winghang ... on.htm#presentation
The keys to understanding lead-out-energy machines are:
(a) If we use gravitational energy that surrounds us, we do not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.
(b) If we pull a pendulum with a horizontal force, the pendulum bob will go up. That energy in moving the pendulum bob up comes from gravity and enters the pendulum system.
The energy supplied by gravity is equal to the vertical component of the tension of the pendulum string times the vertical displacement.
This is equal to 50% of the horizontal user supplied energy approximately.
(d) In essence, two parts horizontal (externally user supplied) energy can
lead out
one part vertical (supplied by gravity) energy. Understand this part first.
26-11-2008 08:25
This is all very interesting what you speak of. I would really like to see the flying saucer, but I am second generation Chinese American, and I do not speak Chinese. I am also very young and have no money to go visit the man in China you are talking about for any kind of demonstration. Still, I would like to see some of these devices you talk about.
However, I have one question. Why do you find it necessary to post as both ltseung888 and margaret? It's kind of creepy.
26-11-2008 09:13
Lead-out-energy machines
Dear Dannychin,
This is all very interesting what you speak of. I would really like to see the flying saucer, but I am second generation Chinese American, and I do not speak Chinese. I am also very young and have no money to go visit the man in China you are talking about for any kind of demonstration. Still, I would like to see some of these devices you talk about.
You can wait until the Official announcement and product sales. Or many more
youtube videos
will be available.
However, I have one question. Why do you find it necessary to post as both ltseung888 and margaret? It's kind of creepy.
In the
, you can have multiple virtual identities. It is fun.
26-11-2008 12:32
OK, please link youtube video of the flying saucer, thank you. Or any kind of new agency article about this. It sounds pretty revolutionary, so some Chinese newspaper must have reported on it. It is OK if it is in Chinese, I may ask my grandfather to translate if I need to read the text.
I know you put alot of links about the explanations of this. I am not so much interested in explanations as I am not into physics. I just want to see a running model, that would be pretty neat.
26-11-2008 14:25
UFO video - Nanjing, China
According to Mr. Lee Cheung Kin, some military college students built the videotaped device. Have fun.
26-11-2008 14:33
OK, but this is not your flying saucer, this is just some UFO footage. By definition, yours would not be a UFO, because it would be identified, not unidentified.
Could you please show us a video of your flying saucer. That would be much more interesting than the many explanations you wrote. A picture is worth a thousands words and a video is worth even more!
Also, what about media coverage? Surely the newspapers must have reported something of your research, because it sounds truly revolutionary. Please link some media coverage so I can learn more.
26-11-2008 17:10
Flying Saucer
The flying saucer prototype information was provided by Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and team. He sent the same information to President-Elect Obama.
He and his team is debating what to do with the sudden increase in interest. I shall let him decide on what and when to release to the General Public. They have to consider possible patents and commercial interests. A working invention is worth trillions.
26-11-2008 17:27
Lead-out-energy machines
Dear Lawrence,
From your post:
You have to study the presentation file in:
... on.htm#presentation
The keys to understanding lead-out-energy machines are:
(a) If we use gravitational energy that surrounds us, we do not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.
(b) If we pull a pendulum with a horizontal force, the pendulum bob will go up. That energy in moving the pendulum bob up comes from gravity and enters the pendulum system.
(c) The energy supplied by gravity is equal to the vertical component of the tension of the pendulum string times the vertical displacement. This is equal to 50% of the horizontal user supplied energy approximately.
(d) In essence, two parts horizontal (externally user supplied) energy can lead out one part vertical (supplied by gravity) energy. Understand this part first.
The above points are not difficult to understand at all.
(a) is obvious. The question is how to use gravitational energy continuously.
(b) Tells us that the pulled pendulum leads out gravitational energy at every pull.
(c) Tells us the equation used in calculating the lead out energy. Physics and mathematics cannot lie.
(d) Concludes the result of the calculation in the specific case of the horizontal pull.
Any secondary school student who studied physics should be able to understand the above. Why were there so much negative comments or even abusive insults in the overunity forum? Can you comment on this also, Dannychin?
26-11-2008 19:45
Lead-out-energy machines
Dear Maggie,
Now you understand that gravitational energy can be lead out. You should have no difficulty understanding that magnetic energy can also be lead out.
The proof is in the magnetic pendulum.
26-11-2008 22:22
I do not understand your answer. You talk about Lee Cheung Kin being able to decide about releasing information about his invention which is worth much money, but then you go ahead and you publish the entire theory on the Internet. But a video or a photo, which does not explain how the device works, that you refuse to show. This is not making any sense to me.
Look, just show us a video of photo of the flying saucer that this man built. We cannot tell how it works from the outside anyway, and you say he has already shown Obama, who is a foreign national, so why can't you just show us.
I am not interested in other people's UFO sightings. That has nothing to do with your invention. Those can be debated real or fake forever. Anybody can say, oh I know where that came from, but there is no evidence where it came from or whether it is even real. But if you have one to show clearly, then we will know it is no fake.
Don't tell us, show us. I am really interested to see it. Please don't be a faker, because I want to believe.
Also, please stop talking back and forth between yourself. Just trust me about this, it is really bad, and everyone sees through it. Just say what you have to say, dont pretend to be somebody else, because that is fake, and you want to be real.
27-11-2008 09:44
Flying Saucer
Dear Dannychin,
You have to respect the personality of different inventors. They thnk differently from the average person.
Mr. Lee sent an Open Letter to President-Elect Obama. From my understanding, he has not shown his prototype to him nor his representative yet. It is up to him and team to decide what and when to show the General Public.
The theory and China Patent belongs to Winnie Woo, Bill Fong and myself. Thus I can decide on what to disclose as far as the theory is concerned. If you search the China Patent Database, you can already get the theoretical describion. It is in Chinese. So get your grandfather to translate it for you.
Different people have different style of writing and posting. I happen to like mine. You can stick with yours.
27-11-2008 09:56
Lead-out-energy machines
Dear Maggie,
Once you understand that gravitational or magnetic energy can be lead out from the pendulum, you can then extend the concept.
The pendulum is essentially oscillation. The same concept can be applied to vibration, rotation and flux change systems.
The 225 HP Pulse Motor is a pulsed rotational system in electromagnetic field.
27-11-2008 10:13
This makes no sense and you are contradicting yourself. If you own the patent, then the saucer is based on your design and you have rights in that. You have the right to show the saucer if you want to. Why won't you show us? Just a photo or a video, come on. You talked so much about it, just show us the damn thing?
Why won't you show us the saucer? I think it does not exist and you are full of bullshit.
27-11-2008 10:17
And please do not call what you do a style of writing. You are trying to deceive people. Is this a Communist propaganda technique from the old country? My granddad warned me about the communists and how bad they are. Are you a communist?
27-11-2008 14:21
Lead-out-energy machines
Dear Maggie,
Please check out the website:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wat ... 8/11/26/kirk-miller
Apparently, an inventor by the name of Peter Sumaruck has demonstrated a device (zero Amp technology) that can put out over 70,000 the energy that was put in.
The Wang Shenhe electricity generator requires no input and theoretically the COP (Coefficient Of Performance Output/Input ) is infinite.
Can you comment after you have read or listened to the information?
27-11-2008 16:17
Lead-out-energy machines
Dear Lawrence,
I found the following link:
http://www.worldviewopinion.com/ ... 8/7/19/3800414.html
Quotes from the article:
Let's begin the story, in 2002, as Peter Sumaruck walked into Fort Hood Army base, Texas; he had credibility with the military because he had been a Navy Seal in the 70's and 80's; and he had his prototype with him. He showed them a small motor using a minute amount of gasoline, would give ignition to a generator producing thousands times the initial input - Input = .o19 milliamps of energy. Output = 150 amps, thus disproving the Law of Thermodynamics.
Colonels, then generals were thrilled to elation - everyone could visualize applications for the war effort. They wanted to use Sumaruck's invention to power the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq - power for all facilities from tents to barracks, to food services, to medical outfits, any and everything other than weapons and vehicles - in these beginning days years, Sumaruck had not yet developed an application for vehicles.
By 2004, after a 6 month delay for parts, this new electric generator - tested tried and true was ready for mass production. Without warning, Hauke and Martin called Sumaruck and his attorney into their office. An order came down that the project had been cancelled by U.S. Congressman Michael "Chet" Edwards, Democrat, 17the district, and Texas State Senator Kip Averitt, Republican, 22nd district, both from Waco, Texas. The Congressman and the State Senator claimed that the Army could not be trusted with this kind of technology. Soldiers would try to figure out how the technology works; they would be distracted from battle; they'd want to quit the army, go home and make their own gen-sets. "We can't lose control of our people." They opted for a conventional war, one they could control.
The Waco debacle set us back three to four years in the technology quest, but we can still step up to the reality that a little bit of energy created by a spark of gas for ignition, can produce a giant increase in energy - no battery, no pollution. Peter Sumaruck says, "They can deride and debase me. They can try to slander me…but they can never disprove my invention." Remember the first Zero-Amp Technology Army generator of 2004: Input = .o19 milliamps of energy. Output = 150 amps. See it, watch it work, and believe.
Charlotte Wilson, July 18, 2008,
email us at
for an appointment for a demonstration and/or to speak to the inventor. Or at
Note: this technology is currently in selective use by privately advantaged individuals in Brazil and Japan and their governments...but the inventor wants this technology to be "common daily fare" in every individual's life here and now - it is that valuable. Note: See what others say about inventor harassment, visit Advanced Energy Rearch Organization AERO
27-11-2008 17:48
Email to zero.amp.tech
Dear Sirs,
I read your invention with interest. You may like to know the source of energy of your invention. It is the Lead-Out-Energy via pulse force (or flux change) on electron motion.
The details can be found in:
http://hk.geocities.com/winghang ... on.htm#presentation
An inventor from China, Mr. Wang Shenhe (or Wang Shum Ho) also had an invention that has COP equal to infinite. (No input required). The details are in:
A rotating prototype can be seen at
I shall be glad to share any information for the benefit of mankind.
Lawrence Tseung
Director, Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
27-11-2008 21:49
Email to zero.amp.tech
Let's begin the story, in 2002, as Peter Sumaruck walked into Fort Hood Army base, Texas; he had credibility with the military because he had been a Navy Seal in the 70's and 80's; and he had his prototype with him. He showed them a small motor using a minute amount of gasoline, would give ignition to a generator producing thousands times the initial input - Input = .o19 milliamps of energy. Output = 150 amps, thus
disproving the Law of Thermodynamics
The Law of Thermodynamics - Conservation of Energy -
was never disproved
. The electron motion energy is always there. When two objects are in proximity, there will always be gravitational attraction. In addition, the electron motion will be affected. For magnetic material such as iron, we can detect magnetic poles and magnetic forces. Magnetism is the macro effect of electrons in circular motion.
In the case of the Peter Sumaruck device, the tiny input
leads out
the much larger electron motion energy. Other known devices in USA including the Newman, the Bedini, the 225 HP Pulse Motor all use this technology.
When the lead-out-energy machines are put on the propulsion systems using unbalanced forces, we have the
true flying saucer
that can fly anywhere as a closed system.
28-11-2008 01:59
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
28-11-2008 04:13
Lead-out-energy machines
By 2004, after a 6 month delay for parts, this new electric generator - tested tried and true was ready for mass production. Without warning, Hauke and Martin called Sumaruck and his attorney into their office. An order came down that the project had been cancelled by
U.S. Congressman Michael "Chet" Edwards, Democrat, 17the district, and Texas State Senator Kip Averitt, Republican, 22nd district, both from Waco, Texas
. The Congressman and the State Senator claimed that the Army could not be trusted with this kind of technology. Soldiers would try to figure out how the technology works; they would be distracted from battle; they'd want to quit the army, go home and make their own gen-sets. "We can't lose control of our people." They opted for a conventional war, one they could control.
There is likely to be some truth when the names of US Congressman and Senator were quoted.
28-11-2008 11:40
Solving the Global FInancial Crisis
Dear Maggie,
I believe that when we can conclusively demonstrate to the World the
lead-out-energy machines
and the
propulsion systems using unbalanced forces generated from within
, we shall be able to influence the World in major ways. We can wait for the technical experts to complete the tasks.
While we wait, I would like to focus on the following innovative concepts to help to solve the present global financial crisis:
(a) Mutual Credits
(b) Smart Cards
(c) Model Farms, Villages, Cities
(d) Model Banks, Restaurants, Retail Shops etc.
(e) Innovation Camps
28-11-2008 16:37
The remote control car
The simple remote control car experiments illustrate the principle of producing an unbalanced force from within.
The above link shows the remote control car in the box. The box is deliberately made longer. The forward velocity or momentum hitting the box is much higher than the backward velocity or momentum hitting the box.
This shows that adjustment should be made to create the maximum unbalanced force generated within the box.
The above link shows the remote control car pulling the box. This is the most efficient operation. The frictional force is used in the most efficient way.
There is much work needed to get the most efficient configuration and method to create the maximum unbalanced force from within. However, the concept is demonstrated in these experiments.
28-11-2008 21:20
The remote control car in a box
Dear Forever,
Thank you for performing these two additional experiments. It is clear that the forward momentum can be controlled to be much higher than the backward momentum.
These are worthwhile experiments. However, Experiment001 will be more convincing. You and team will learn where to buy the material, how to wind and create the electromagnet, the right magnets to use etc.
Take your time and do a good job,
29-11-2008 01:14
Um, flying saucers do not slide along a floor using friction, dumbass.
Anyway, this is all a huge waste. There are only two people reading this forum, you and me, and I am leaving. See ya!
29-11-2008 16:07
Smart Cards
Dear Maggie,
China now understands the importance of
by its citizens. Such a meaningful economic activity is definitely in the direction of increasing modern wealth.
in guiding and increasing the spending is the smart card. In essence, every citizen has a smart card that has the combined functions of identification, medical conditions, credit cards, etc.
The Government puts a certain amount of money into the account of every citizen every month.
This amount can vary depending on need. This amount can be used to purchase selected or approved goods and services. Some goods and services may be paid partly by cash and partly by the smart card.
We know that a Country must increase its money supply so that its citizens may become wealthy. But the increase must be well controlled and monitored to avoid runaway inflation. (Or the increase must be in step with the increase in the economic strength.) The smart card is a powerful tool in this direction.
The smart card should be
used together with the other tools
such as mutual credits, sure-win businesses, model shops etc. It should be introduced in some
test districts
first to smooth out the procedures and identify potential problems.
30-11-2008 05:09
Flying Saucer
Top Gun posted the following:
The post is useful in understanding Experiment001. The proof-of-concept experiment is for
a propulsion systm using unbalanced internal forces generated from within.
In both Experiment001 and Experiment001b, the pulse force (magnetic repulsion) would be applied one-time.
1-12-2008 16:17
Smart Cards
Dear Lawrence,
As far as I know, only the oil rich Middle East Countries provide money directly to their citizens. The oil revenues support that.
In a place like Hong Kong and China, what kind of revenue would support such a policy?
2-12-2008 08:45
Smart Cards
Dear Maggie,
The two technologies will bring in trillions of dollars to the world. If Hong Kong and China were to lead in these two technologies, the modern wealth generated will exceed all oil revenue.
Thus Hong Kong and China must not introduce the Smart Card by itself. It is a powerful tool that must be used together with other tools.
3-12-2008 08:22
Flying Saucer Experiments
Please see:
4-12-2008 03:15
Legal Stock Manipulation
Dear Lawrence,
I had an interesting discussion with some friends on the stock market.
"One way for the Crocodiles to accumulate shares at low prices is to prolong the bear market.
The technique is to buy X shares and then sells X-Y shares – repeat the process many times
. The share value will not go up quickly. Many more shares can be bought at low prices. In a prolonged economic downturn, many shareholders will be forced to sell their shares."
Is this a logical assumption? Is it happening now?
4-12-2008 08:48
Legal Stock Manipulation
Dear Maggie,
Your logic is plausible. At the early days of the Stock Market, the only way to make money was to buy low and sell high. When the masses rush to buy, there is little chance for the price to drop. Many individuals will buy and keep the stock. The artificially
high stock prices will eventually lead to a big crash
– like that in the 1930s.
The ability to short the stock and the development of the derivatives were helpful in causing the stock to go down. The Governments allow many individuals and funds to use such financial instruments to make money to maintain a healthy market. However, such financial instruments allow manipulation of the smaller Stock Markets around the World – as seen in the Asian Financial Crisis in the late 1990s.
If we assume that the
former holders of financial papers would switch to buying stocks
, your suggested tactics is definitely something they will use. If the regulators know the activities of the large buyers and sellers, they will be able to detect such tactics. Are the Governments aware of such tactic? Do they have the financial think tanks to do the what-if and computer analysis???
9-12-2008 03:10
Dear Maggie,
Please see the two videos produced by Mr. Tong Pochi in Hong Kong.
and the pictures in
http://www.overunity.com/index.p ... sg142613#msg142613:
There are three basic components:
(1) Battery supply pack
(2) Timer Control unit
(3) The Experiment001 device with an electromagnet in the middle and two permanent magnets in two copper (non-magnetic) tubes.
The purpose of the experiment is to check out the Lee-Tseung theory of using unbalanced forces generated from within for the purpose of propulsion. More experiments may be needed but the two above videos and pictures do demonstrate the possible correctness of the theory.
Lee Cheung Kin and his Chinese Military friends have produced a working, hovering prototype. However, there may be difficulty in demonstrating that openly to the World. Details in:
(You need to use Internet Explorer to view it.)
Lawrence Tseung
Director, Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
11-12-2008 23:00
Flying Saucer Conclusive Experiment
Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory « Reply #3628
The conclusive conceptual Experiment in the Experiment001 series.
In the attached diagram, M an N are Coil type (Ex001Explain04) devices. They are physically joined together. M and N are built strong enough that any one can jump with a large enough force to carry both to a few meters. There is no need to carry the battery and other parts up at this stage.
(1) M is started. It will carry both M and N upwards.
(2) While in the upward movement, N is started.
(3) If the joined M and N device moves upwards a little more, the flying saucer prototype can be built.
The successful result essentially confirms the Lee-Tseung statement that an
unbalanced force for propulsion can be generated from within
One can argue that M can jump up because of the ground. There is no ground for N to react against
12-12-2008 07:53
Flying Saucer Conclusive Statement
Dear Lawrence,
I read the posts in overunity.com with interest. The conclusive conceptual Experiment in the Experiment001 series really stimulated me. If N can indeed generate a force in midair and pull M+N up, the theory that
an unbalanced force can be generated from within will be confirmed.
Human Beings can build a flying saucer that can hover, take off and land vertically, make sharp turns etc.
The theory seems to be easy. Man should be able to build such devices decades ago. Do you think that there is deliberate suppression of such technology by Governments?
12-12-2008 22:14
Flying Saucer Experiments
Dear Maggie,
Do you think that there is deliberate suppression of such technology by Governments?
If this thread suddenly stops, it would probably be due to Government supporession.
12-12-2008 22:29
Flying Saucer
Dear Lawrence,
How would you convert the inventions into Modern Wealth to benefit the World?
13-12-2008 05:15
Promotion plans
Dear Maggie,
You asked a very good question.
My goal is to benefit the World. Personal fame and fortune do not enter into my equation (like all humans, I still fall prey to such temptations). Thus the plans are:
(1) Publish the information on-line so that many people can get the information totally free.
(2) Train a small number of individuals directly so that they can carry on the task no matter what happens.
(3) Work with inventors who have working prototypes or who is interested in producing prototypes.
(4) Get Governments involved. Lee Cheung Kin sent the Open Letter to President-Elect Obama. We met with many who claimed to have Chinese Government connections.
(5) Do the Open Demonstrations. The biggest one planned at present is the flying saucer taking off and land vertically (hopefully at the lawns of the White House). There will be many smaller demonstrations before that.
I do not hide any technical secrets. Thus on the theory side, things will be very clear. However, I respect the intellectual rights and the hard work of the many inventors. They may choose not to disclose certain technical aspects of their invention for patent and financial reasons.
13-12-2008 08:13
Flying Saucer Conclusive Experiments
Flying Saucer Conclusive Experiment
Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory « Reply #3628
Dear Maggie,
I can now recommend all universities, research laboratories, Governments etc. to do the above conclusive experiment.
They can experiment with the set up in Ex001Explain004 to determine the type and size of magnets and electromagnets they would like to use.
Multiple groups in Hong Kong have reported positive results. I shall have a set up in my home as Christmas/New Year Present. The man-made flying saucer is an absolute certainty.
It is like the very early days of the gun.
A bullet can be propelled by gun powder. Many in China did not believe it or tried to keep it away from the average citizen. The result was painful history.
Nations must learn from that lesson. Get its scientists to do Ex001Explain06. When multiple nations can build the flying saucer with lead-out-energy devices, there will be no single domination. We must not allow Imperialism and Colonialism to rise again.
14-12-2008 04:20
The overunity forum
Dear Lawrence,
Many members in the overunity forum hurl insults at you. They try to drown the thread with useless posts. Tinselkola tried to play smart and displayed some experiments. However, he could not even produce an electromagnet to demonstrate repulsion. What is the point in participating in such a forum?
My personal belief is that many organizations can do Experiment001. The moment they can achieve the basic result in Ex001Explain06, the theoretical side is complete. The engineers can then experiment and build the flying saucer prototype. If you share such information freely with the World, you will not get any financial returns. You may even
turn away many potential investors
14-12-2008 13:35
Updated Flying Saucer Experiment file
http://hk.geocities.com/winghang ... e01.files/frame.htm
Dear Maggie,
You can check the above link. It should explain the entire Experiment001 experiments in great detail. Let me know if you find any points unclear.
14-12-2008 16:29
Flying Saucer Conclusive Experiments
Dear Lawrence,
I reviewed the slides in
http://hk.geocities.com/winghang ... Saucer_Update01.htm
in considerable detail. It is
extremely clear
especially if one reads the explanation text below the slides. The two points I like most are:
(1) In slide 5, you pointed out the experimental set up to test the electromagnets and permanent magnets. Even if one has no clue to begin with, one could
easily experiment to find the suitable electromagnet and permanent magnet
. Almost all schools that teach electricity and magnetism can do that particular experiment.
(2) In slide 7, you have the conclusive experiment. The Tong device already demonstrated that
simple jumping
is possible. After a suitable set up or configuration is found from slide 5, any school can do the conclusive experiment.
I can see that thousands, if not millions of organizations, can do the two above experiments. Once success is achieved, it is
a matter of engineering
to decide the number and timing of the jumping devices. Lee Cheung Kin and team took six dedicated months to develop a working prototype. That was not a miracle or inspiration but much perspiration.
I still do not understand – when you openly and freely share such information, where is your financial reward? If I were an investor, why should I invest my money in you? I could just go out and pay a few thousand dollars to some electrical engineers to do the prototype.
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14-12-2008 20:33
Investor interest
I still do not understand – when you openly and freely share such information, where is your financial reward? If I were an investor, why should I invest my money in you? I could just go out and pay a few thousand dollars to some electrical engineers to do the prototype.
Dear Maggie,
I happen to believe that USA, China and some other Governments
already know lead-out-energy machines and flying saucers
. The technology that they have is much more advanced than what we are describing here. They kept such technology top secret because of the military significance. A flying saucer running on lead-out-energy engine potentially can wipe out all known military planes and missiles.
My goal is to let many teams build the lead-out-energy machines and flying saucers for civilian applications. There are dozens of Bedini machine imitations now. There are at least 15 Wang Shenhe imitations in China. I am sure that there will be many flying saucer prototypes within months.
If the demonstrate to President Obama (after January 20, 2009) takes place in public, there will be immense public pressure for Governments to release the top-secret technology to benefit the World. The technology we are discussing here is child's play. Thus there is no need to consider personal financial rewards. There is no point in trying to convince investors that they might earn many millions. They may not earn much - as our child's play products will be no match compared with those top-secret devices. The ones who will gain most are the inventors and engineers who enjoy such activities. The students will benefit, as they will finally learn the right thing. We hope that the World will benefit together.
15-12-2008 01:46
Flying Saucer Experiments
Voltage and Current Consideration in Flying Saucer
Dear Lawrence,
I know that I have to pass a
large enough current
to the electromagnetic coil for it to have enough repulsion to repel the permanent magnet. I can simply approach it via doing practical experiments such as that described in Ex001Explain004 or slide 5 in
http://hk.geocities.com/winghang ... e01.files/frame.htm
Are there any calculations one can do to give a
rough idea
before the experiments?
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15-12-2008 02:06
Chinese to head Energy Department of USA
Dear Lawrence,
The above may be good news for you. Your dream of cooperation between China and USA in the area of energy and flying saucer may become reality.
15-12-2008 03:04
Flying Saucer Experiments
Voltage and Current Consideration in Flying Saucer
Dear Maggie,
We may need to use a spreadsheet to do the calculations. Let us assume the following:
(1) Mass of the permanent magnet = m1 kg
(2) Mass of the electromagnet+tube = m2 kg
(3) Acceleration due to gravity = g meters/sec/sec
(4) The Voltage = V volts
(5) The Current = I amperes
(6) The time of the pulse current = t seconds
(7) The height for the whole unit to jump to = h meters
(8) The energy efficiency = e %
From the conservation of energy,
Energy supplied by the electrical pulse (input energy)
= Voltage x Current x time in joules
= V x I x t joules
Potential Energy of the jump of the assembly (output energy)
= (m1+m2) x g x h Newton-meter (joules)
If the efficiency of conversion is only e percent, we have
Output Energy = e% of Input Energy ( e% is always less than 1)
(m1+m2) x g x h = e x V x I x t
For observable height h (say 1 cm or 0.01 meter), we have
h = (e x V x I x t) / ((m1 + m2) x g )
Once we have the equation, we can
feed the various assumed values
in to get a rough idea of the required current. Using spreadsheet is best.
15-12-2008 06:29
Formula for Flying Saucer parameters
Dear Lawrence,
I used your formula in my spreadsheet with the following assumptions:
1. Mass of the permanent magnet = 0.5 kg
2. Mass of the electromagnet+tube = 0.5 kg
3. Acceleration due to gravity = 9.8 meters/sec/sec
4. The Voltage = 12 volts
5. The time of the pulse current = 0.1 seconds
6. The height for the whole unit to jump to = 0.01 meters
7. The energy efficiency = 50 %
The Current required is calculated to be 0.16 amps.
This is all within the physical possibilities. I can easily vary the different parameters.
15-12-2008 09:00
Flying Saucer Experiments
Formula for Flying Saucer parameters
Dear Lawrence,
I used my spreadsheet to estimate the Tong device on youtube with the following assumptions:
1. Mass of the permanent magnet = 0.1 kg
2. Mass of the electromagnet+tube = 0.3 kg
3. Acceleration due to gravity = 9.8 meters/sec/sec
4. The Voltage = 12 volts
5. The time of the pulse current = 0.1 seconds
6. The height for the whole unit to jump to = 0.002 meters
7. The energy efficiency = 50 %
The current required was 0.01 Amperes
. I think Mr. Tong can do the conclusive Experiment001 with M and N jumping using his existing equipment. The resulting set up can be carried in the average briefcase. Demonstration worldwide will not be a problem.
16-12-2008 13:12
Flying Saucer Experiments
Dear Maggie,
I decided to buy the equipment to do Experiment001 for Ms. Forever Yuen and team. I
ordered a DC converter
that can change the mains supply in Hong Kong (220 V AC) to a maximum of 30 V DC or 10 A. The maximum output is thus 300 watts DC.
I failed to get the
coated copper wires
for winding. However, I had the fortune to get acquainted with a hardware store owner who was a physics teacher in high school. I explained Experiment001 to him and got him excited.
Your calculation was very useful as it gave me a rough idea of what equipments to purchase. Keep your ideas flowing.
16-12-2008 13:54
Steven Chu as head of USA Energy Dpartment
Steven Chu, President-elect Barack Obama's choice to head the Energy Department, has been a strong advocate of alternative fuels and a vociferous opponent of fossil fuels -- foreign oil in particular -- for years.
Most recently, the scientific interests of the 60-year-old Nobel laureate and director of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory have centered on energy and finding ways to replace fossil fuels with other energy sources such as biofuels from plants.
18-12-2008 10:07
Flying Saucer Experiments
Dear Maggie,
Here is a close up shot of the Tong Device.
I shall have
an improved version
in my home shortly. There is interest from many parties. It shows that unbalanced forces can be produced for propulsion from within a system.
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18-12-2008 10:12
Flying Saucer Experiments
Dear Maggie,
The attached diagram shows the conceptual side of the Tong Device.
We are using a similar set up to test the strength of the permanent magnet, the electromagnet etc. So far the results are very promising.
You can see the video
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18-12-2008 10:18
Flying Saucer Experiments
Dear Maggie,
Many groups are doing the conclusive Experiment001 experiment. M is started first. It will jump both M and N up. When the joined device is in mid-air, N will jump and the result should be a greater height achieved.
Once that is successful, it is a matter of programming multiple jumping Tong devices to produce a flying saucer prototype.
You are welcome to show the diagrams to your friends and get them involved. My goal is to have many groups understanding and developing the lead-out-energy machines and the flying saucers.
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18-12-2008 14:35
Flying Saucer Experiments
Dear Lawrence,
I like your displaying the pictures of
the Tong device
and the conceptual diagrams. It is clear to me that the experimental scientists must start with Ex001Explain04 to find out the possible combination of permanent and electromagnets first before they can carry on.
As soon as they have achieved the expected results in Ex001xplain06, the only thing left is
the programming of multiple jumping devices
. They do not need to have the craft jump or rise to have a useable product. So long as the weight of the craft can be lowered, the product will be useful. Imagine a 100-ton train now weighting 10 tons.
If I were an experimental scientist who needs to support a family, would I freely display my hard work to the World? If I were a Government Agent, would I upset my superiors? If I were supported by venture funds, would the investors demand the results to be kept confidential?
There is a
limit to free information
. I think that you have reached that limit.
19-12-2008 03:42
Demo to President Obama
Dear Maggie,
I have some good news to share with you and the World. Mr. Wang consented to give me one of his rotating prototypes to demonstrate to President Obama and the World.
He will have great publicity and possibly get much investor interest after the open demonstration. His risk is that someone may copy or stole his technology. However, he is aware that more than a dozen groups in China have imitated or re-constructed his invention with varying degree of success.
I now have two inventions lined up.
(1) Energy from Still Air
(2) Energy from Electron Motion (magnetic field in this case)
The other one to get firmed up is the Lee Cheung Kin flying saucer. The Tong Po Chi device is a good proof-of-concept. But nothing can compare with a flying saucer prototype hovering over the lawns of the White House.
22-12-2008 18:03
The Flying Saucer Prototype Team
Mr. Tong Po Chi will lead the students to experiment on the flying saucer prototype.
Best wishes to them. Their success will be the light to the World.
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Elkridge residents don't want the once-per-decade redrawing of County Council district lines to dilute their political influence, but some wonder if the interests of the county's oldest community are tied more closely to those of Ellicott City's in District 1 or to the rest of the U.S. 1 corridor, which is now divided among three districts.
More than two dozen Elkridge residents and several people from Ellicott City filled a room Monday night at the Elkridge Library to tell Howard County's redistricting commission to keep communities intact in one district, though only four people chose to speak. It was a much better turnout than at the commission's first public hearing May 24 in Clarksville, when less than a half-dozen people attended.
Howard Johnson, president of the Greater Elkridge Community Association, expressed a feeling held by many residents that the area has been neglected by the county government.
"So often our representation is from people not in the [U.S. 1] corridor," he told the seven-member commission. "We don't want our voice or interests watered down by being pulled into a new area."
Redistricting occurs after each federal census, to keep districts roughly equal in population.
District 1, represented by Ellicott City Democrat Courtney Watson, is the most populous of Howard's five council districts, with 62,435 residents, according to the 2010 Census. It will have to shrink by about 5,000 people to make the districts even when the lines are redrawn, raising concerns about which neighborhoods might be shifted to adjoining districts. District 3, covering North Laurel, Savage and part of southern Columbia, is the smallest at 52,086 people, about 5,000 below the average.
Commission member David Marker, a veteran of the redistricting process a decade ago, told Johnson he was intrigued by his "focus on the corridor" and asked where he thought Elkridge's greater interests lie.
"Our history relates to old Ellicott City," Johnson replied. He noted, however, that recent zoning changes designed to spur redevelopment of the U.S. 1 corridor from Laurel to the Baltimore County line also tied the Elkridge area to other communities along the highway.
U.S. 1 is "marked for more density, more people, more stuff," Johnson said. "We don't want to be sucked into the other districts."
Doug Kornreich of Hanover, near the Anne Arundel County line and where a proposed CSX railroad cargo transfer station could be located, said, "This part of the county has been neglected, and one way to fix it is by having strong representation."
Parts of Elkridge currently are in District 1 and in District 2, he said, represented by East Columbia Democrat Calvin Ball. The district also includes Jessup and East Columbia.
Kornreich, whose wife, Leslie, ran unsuccessfully for school board last year, said its members should be elected by district instead of countywide. "We have zero representation on that Board of Education," he said.
Diane Butler, president of the St. Johns Community Association in Ellicott City and a member of the Republican Central Committee, pointed out that about 30 houses at the edge of her 1,000-home community are now in District 4, which covers West Columbia and Fulton. May Kay Sigaty, a West Columbia Democrat, represents that district.
"Columbia has overtaken three districts and they're only one-third of the county," Butler said. "They need to have their own district."
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"It's better to mix areas and not make it insular," he said, "One of the problems the county could face is that our neighbors in District 5 don't appreciate the traffic, the noise … we have." He said that "geographically, historically, Elkridge aligns along the Patapsco Valley, which includes Ellicott City, not the rest of U.S. 1.
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Chairman Larry Walker said the commission will hold its first work session at 7 p.m. Monday in the George Howard Building. A recommended plan or two will be hashed out over the summer, and a hearing will be held Sept. 19 to obtain public comment before a final report goes to the County Council by mid-October. The council has final say.
No council members attended the meeting, but Watson said later that splitting the U.S. 1 corridor among three council districts gives residents more political representation, as does splitting Columbia among three districts. Creating a single district for the U.S. 1 corridor would reduce that power, she said.
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1969 USDOT Mass Transit Trust Fund Proposal
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Documents related to the original 1969 proposal by the U.S. Department of Transportation to create an Urban Mass Transportation Trust Fund, to be financed by an extension of the expiring federal excise tax on automobile sales at a rate of 3.5 percent (enough to raise $10 billion over the life of the Trust Fund).
- July 25, 1969 memo to the White House from Bob Bennett, the USDOT Director of Congressional Relations (and future U.S. Senator) giving the details of outreach meetings held by Transportation Secretary John Volpe and himself regarding the draft proposal.
- July 30, 1969 memo from White House assistant Congressional liaison Bill Timmons relating to follow-up conversations with Minority Leader Jerry Ford (R-MI) and, most importantly, Ways and Means Committee head Republican John Byrnes.
- July 29, 1969 memo from USDOT to the White House giving a two-page summary of the proposal and a proposed statement for the President to issue.
- August 4, 1969 memo to President Nixon from Counsellor to the President Arthur Burns (who had chaired the Council of Economic Advisers under President Eisenhower and who Nixon would make chairman of the Federal Reserve the following year). The memo expresses the opposition of the President's budget and economic team to the new trust fund, saying that "a trust fund concept is applicable only when the people taxed are also the people being benefited. Beyond this, they fear that further proliferation of trust funds would impair the flexibility that the government needs in managing expenditures."
President Nixon would reject the Trust Fund approach in the final bill that would be submitted to Congress. (Note: the 1969 USDOT proposal under President Nixon bears some similarities to the December 1968 USDOT proposal under President Johnson.)