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Also, as mentioned above me "BS" means Bonus Score in video mode. In real pinball, the ball saver feature is only designed to save a freshly launched ball. It's rarely (if ever) given to you as an award like Zen's original tables do.
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Also, as mentioned above me "BS" means Bonus Score in video mode. In real pinball, the ball saver feature is only designed to save a freshly launched ball. It's rarely (if ever) given to you as an award like Zen's original tables do.
- Crash multiple time this morning, like 4. Playing on Nintendo Switch. Playing Fish Tales, Classic Tournament setup, and tried this time VIEW 2. Dont know if its related to 2nd view, or related to classic mode and only fish tales ( played a lot of single player mode with view 1w with no crashes like that). 2 time it crash when i press the launch button on 3rd ball a bit before time to launch it, 2 time my controllers freeze, left flipper stay up, nothing was responding, had to quit the application everytime.
Hi all. Registered here just for this post.
Bit of a bug report, bit of a rant. Not sure if it's worth its own thread. I got the game on PS4 recently, and have only played FISH TALES so far. A LOT. I have maxed out all the abilities and one wizard ability, working on the second. What I've come across so far sours what is an almost perfect experience. And that sourness is preventing me from shelling out for the Williams pack. I'm on the fence about it.
1. The 2x scoring wizard power sometimes DOES NOT WORK. This usually begins to happen during a longer session, and once it starts, it carries over to future games. I hold triangle, see the countdown spinner drain time, but events that should double points (like the 4 million fish finder becoming 8 million) give the standard points. It's a handicap to even hope it works at this point, as playing the game holding an extra button down (for no effect) makes taking shots that much harder.
2. The REWIND wizard power is rage-inducingly STUPID. At this point, it says I should be able to rewind up to 3 seconds by holding the triangle button. Nope! It's about 1.5 seconds tops, then automatically disengages. Took a while to realize it wasn't me letting the button up. And there's this 3 second countdown before play resumes (yes you can hit a button to skip it) but during this 3 second time, why can't I tap triangle some more to fine-tune my backwards progress? Why can't I use all my time in one go if I want to?
3. The only reason I use REWIND is to undo a drain event. GOOD FREAKING LUCK getting the ball back under control... The rewind feature EXECUTES TOO QUICKLY and the camera SHAKES WILDLY as it is following the ball around. Sorry, I cannot follow what's going on here. It's a crapshoot for me, rewind a bunch, nudge or something when it starts up again, and hope for the best. Why couldn't this rewind be MATRIX-STYLE SLOW MOTION REVERSE?
4. Another lovely flaw with your REWIND feature is the PADDLES STICK UP and stay there until you press each TWICE. Who tested this? Why it is like this? I have lost more balls than I can count because of the unresponsive paddles when the game resumes.
5. And I can't even rewind further to fix it when this trips me up because of that BLASTED COOLDOWN TIMER. Nope nope nope. This should behave more like the 2x scoring dealie, just slowly rewind when held, automatically resume when released. (At least, this is how I imagined this wizard power would work like.)
6. And what's the deal with the unchangeable MULTIBALL CAMERA ANGLE? I use View 7 most of the time. The version of that where the entire playfield is visible would be great for multiball. But no, the game is like "Multiball time! Stand on this stool to continue playing!" Please.
7. Sometimes the X button doesn't want to launch the ball. Weird. I nudge and it might work again, maybe the right stick does it. Extra aggrivating during timed events.
8. Why can't I do what I did as a child? GET UP CLOSE AND EXAMINE THE TABLE. You know, before playing. Yeah yeah, there's instructions, but getting close and seeing and reading for yourself adds a whole new dimension to immersion and enjoyment for me.
I love this game so far. The tournaments make it fun, and each is begging for a specific wizard power. But if those wizard powers cause more frustration than they are worth, sigh... Here's hoping things can improve. I find it hard to believe the physics and attention to detail in the game, yet it has tiny nusainces like these.
Aliens vs. Predator: PS4. There's a bug that leads to insane scoring when the ball somehow gets stuck in the nest of bumpers. Single player, Classic, 1 ball, 5 minute & Survival leaderboards are now all full of bogus scores accumulated using this bug. Please fix the table & leaderboards a.s.a.p. Zen, it's looking in a sorry state.
Thanks, Shogun00 !! I loaded the game to check that out, but new frustrations arose:
I had completed 3 tournaments, placed in each, got rewarded with XP. Ok, says "continue" so I press X on the box. Nothing happens. Gotta hit O then go back to tournaments, then see the next tournament result. Continue does nothing again, hit O, go back for result #3, this time X brings up the tournament menu because that was my last result.
SERIOUSLY? "Continue" should um... CONTINUE showing results then proceed to tourney menu. None of this backing-out workaround BS. Get it together guys!
Also, messages like "you placed THE 51TH in the tournament" is wrong in two different ways. O M G
Oh yeah, sorting tournaments by "limited tries" (the most fun for me when every game counts) showed 3 Fish Tales tournaments with UNlimited tries. AAARRGH
...at which point I closed the program. I don't need this.
Just wait for a little bit after pressing X. There is a delay between uploading and retrieving tournament scores from the leader boards. I don't know why it does it, but it likes to hang a little for some reason.
Fish Tales, PS4 pro, turning music vol down not working! While in the options menu I can hear how the music vol is changing, but going back to the table it changes nothing. Just a little bug, but since the music is stressfull for me, not so good ;-)
Edit: Tried the 2nd Williams table and it's the same. It seems that the music and sound effects are somehow connected, because when I turn down the sound effects, the music also dissapears!?
Anyone else with this bug?
(Nintendo Switch only)
I posted this back in May and also e-mailed support who replied and said it would be passed on to the dev team. I haven't heard anything since and the bug is still present.
When in handheld mode and rotated to portrait, the left joycon cannot control both flippers at once (using the d-pad). The left flipper cancels out the right one. This happens on all tables.
To recreate: rotate the screen of any table so that the left joycon is at the bottom, attempt to raise both flippers at the same time by using the d-pad buttons.
The game was shut down yesterday for about 10 minutes. We all had internet access and access to sony, but not the game. Was an update put out? What, if so, did it entail?
There is a bug on Highspeed 2 table in "battle mode" on Nintendo Switch : Sometime, if you lost the ball during a special mode (like redline, supercharged or secret mode), you get a game over and, like in battle mode the balls suppose to be infinite during 3 minutes, the score is set to 0 and you automatically lost the match. It's appends to me several times and it's very frustrating then you got a score very higher than your opponent ! :P
Three weeks now since Williams tables release and still no patch fixing the getaway table glitch. I get it, you wanna fix this and the other glitches related to the williams tables at the same time, but some news regarding a future update and some sort of expected time of release would be nice.
Bug on Aliens vs Predator table.
The ball got stuck in between the bumpers on the top, I could have let it bump forever and easily acquire a nice top score.
Only way to stop it was to tilt the game.
It happened to me twice on the same game!
Coincidence or bug?
Playing on Nintendo Switch:
1. Last week in matchup games on "The Getaway" I was getting a ballout before the timer ran out during timed supercharger mode (where every ramp or so is like 5 mil) happened a lot of times.
2. On Doom table during lockout (red light) when all enemies are defeated and I hit the Power Up Ramp the game closes saying there is an error happened 2 times to me.
I had a ball being trapped leading to quick high scores bug happen on the walking dead table yesterday. I have no video footage as i was not recording while playing and it happend in match up and time was nearly up (i did not have enough time to enable recording quickly) but the ball got somehow trapped at the the trap door where the zombie usually sticks out. I'm not sure how or in what mode it happend but it was either while the trap door was getting shut (the zombie not showing) and getting big scores because the zombie usually sticking out of the door kept getting hit, i don't think it was the other way around (trap door going from close to open) as i can't see how the ball could get stuck then unless the zombie showing up again had something to do with it
Han Solo pack, Calrissian table: during a smuggler 2-ball, I drained a ball on the left but the other one was in the center of the field...it just disappeared and I lost the ball...and had to start the next one.
This sounds like something that should be fixed with a rules update. Give a one shot ball saver for a few seconds on scoring a super jackpot.
i have found another bug, but it's not on any of the tables but inside the ui. I've had it happen 2-3 times already but always forgot to record it so next time i'll record it.
If you had play lets say 3-4 tournaments and you quit playing until all those tournaments have ended and after a few days you go back to the game and select tournaments it shows you the finished tournament and the you have to press A button on xbox 360 controller to continue. However pressing A or the continue button does not do anything you hear the click from selecting it but nothing happens. What i have to do in this case is go back to the main menu and then select tournaments again then go back to the main menu and repeat this untill all "finished" tournaments are cleared, this is a bit irritating i think it should normally when pressing the A button or continue show the next completed tournament but i have it happen a few times already that it does not do this.
This is using XBOX 360 gamepad (but mouse / keyboard combo exhibit same problem) using win 10 store version. I did not test on any other platform i own the game (xbox one & steam version) so can not say they exhibit the same problem
here's the video as promised of the tournament completed bug when having finished 2 or more tournaments. The continue button does not work, it does not go to the next completed tournament nor the usual tournament selection screen and the only solution is to go back to main menu, select tournaments again so the next tournament completed shows up and repeat this steps until you are at the last tournament completed only then the continue button seems to work. This is on the windows 10 store version i have not tested on steam nor on xbox one
Flippers on Williams tables only are laggy, laggy enough to make the games frustrating and not enjoyable. Is this a bug? All other tables are normal.
Playing on ps4.
Table: Alien vs. Predator | Platform: Xbox One | Modes: Practice, 1 Ball Challenge (probably others)
Bug: Ball gets irretrievably stuck in the bumpers, running up an infinite score until tilted.
I know this has been brought up, but I love this table and this needs to be fixed. Within a few hours of buying the Alien Table Pack I ran across this, found out it was a known issue, and figured I would try to record it. Didn't take long, within the first 1-hour Practice session it happened again. I just kept shooting for the bumpers, and here it is:
Alien Vs Predator Ball Stuck in Bumpers
And here's a second video of what happened when I tilted it. You can see the ball stuck "under" or "inside" the left bumper when everything stops:
Alien Vs Predator Bumper Bug Tilt
I tweeted it to @zen_studios and @pinballfx, also sent an email to Zen Support. Haven't heard anything so thought I would join up here and add the videos in case it helps.
Doesnt it strike anyone as odd that the Alien Vs Predator bug is cross platform and not reported until after the Williams tables introduction?? Kind of seems important.
I play on Xbox One X and I'm quite unhappy with it. Just played, had a great score and then the Game crashed because Internet wasn't working. No Record was saved !
It happens quite often, that when I want to start the Game it takes very long an then it says: Starting takes too long and I have to restart. Also it crashes sometimes right after starting and I'm in the Menu. This really sucks an I've never had these Problems before on my Ps4. Overall I don't like the Performance on the Xbox. Ps4 was way better and I'm really thinking about stop playing it on my Xbox! :mad:
on the Biolab table during Clone Multiball suddenly the Brains mission started and i probably lost all my balls (which were unvisible to me as being in the Brains mission) as the End of Ball bonus came on screen. Than while launching the next ball all of a sudden i was back in the multiball.
Yep, the Switch version has the same issue with the Continue button on the finished Tournaments screen. It doesn't work. You have to back out and re-enter the Tournaments screen repeatedly to cycle through all the finished tournaments.
The Switch version also has a bug when you wake the Switch and Pinball FX3 was suspended. It has a helluva time recognizing there's a WiFi connection, so loading tournaments or anything online fails repeatedly. I often have to close Pinball FX3 and relaunch it to get online to work after waking my Switch. The Switch UI shows the connection is available, so I think it's a Pinball FX3 problem problem when waking from a suspended state.
I just got 5 minutes extra time in the Eldorado Tournament on Switch. I have no idea what caused it but the timer for survival just stopped ticking for like 5 minutes anyways I have a 15th place from 74th.
I have a question about the El Dorado table: what is a glyp, and why does it need to be translated?
Cutesy snark aside, you have a typo in there. "Translating glyps."
So just got the Williams Volume 2 collection on Steam and when I first played Black Rose it showed the plunger view, but ever since the first game it won't show that view anymore on any of the tables including those in volume 1, I did disable the action camera in the options, did I accidently press something on my Xbox1 controller to disable the view???
Never mind, guess the plunger view is tied to the action camera mode, I just didn't like the close up views of the castle in MM and the reel in FT but I guess I will have to put up with them for the plunger.
AFM doesn't save the last used camera view.
When restarting the table, the view is reset to view 1.
On Black Rose Xbox One S there is a very distracting rapid clicking sound with the music that sounds like a Geiger counter and as I always use headphones it is very off putting. I have watched some videos of the real table and the sound doesn't seem to be there.
I have noticed that while in the pause menu the music sounds fine.
Never mind Lol! After messing with the sound settings and turning the music volume off I have realised the sound I have been hearing is meant to be the creaking of the ship I presume.
Face palm time.
Had the ball disappear during midnight madness in Junkyard. The plunger kept shooting balls but they never came out anywhere.
Since update Williams table, The Getaway camera resets in tournament mode. Only a mild inconvenience.
Attack From Mars: Just got Ruler of the Universe with the date Oct. 26th, 2018 and time and date on my system are accurate.
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Quite a few times now I have been going for high scores on Attack From Mars and as the ball is about to drain the game has just crashed out to Home screen therefore totally losing my game progress. Xbox One S.
I see the game updated on PS4. What got fixed? Who knows? There's no update notes!
As joyrider3774's video shows above, the simple bug of going to next completed tournament screen is still here.
Went to play some more Fish Tales and started a SURVIVAL tournament. I thought I was doing pretty good, and then time ran out! What??? I paid closer attention to the scores needed to reset the 60 second timer, and noticed they are different than they used to be. THEY ARE SCREWED UP. If you cannot earn 75,000,000 within 2 minutes or less, the game is over! What fun is that for the majority of Fish Tales players?
Here are the SURVIVAL SCORES targets I found for Fish Tales:
70,000,000 <---- seriously? used to be 2 million, then 4 million, then 8?
90,000,000 <--- now that we weeded out the newbs, let's make it easier
100,000,000 <---- easier still
165,000,000 <--- since 100M jumps have been 10,15,25,15M... huh?
181,500,000 <--- NOW we introduce half-millions?
???????????? <--- missed due to rocking that lovely boat lol
219,620,000 <--- two one nine, six-hunna-twenty, not a point less!
???????????? <---- missed a couple that weren't in video clip
626,590,000 <--- last 4 jumps were 47080k, 51780k, 56970k
What I'm getting at is how baffling this all is. It's inelegant, it's unfair, and it's seemingly random - yet these are the values that persist through survival games now. The old targets did get to some strange half-million amounts, but whatever they were, it was certain you needed more points than the minute before. Eventually you meet your match and succumb to the timer. But the way it is now? Do you want to scare off newbies? Annoy veterans? Both?
if you have cabinet mode and williams tables volume 2 the following command line "steam.Exe -applaunch 442120 -table_Mars" launches the wrong table .. attack from mars instead of plain mars. It's been confirmed by someone else on steam forums
Both these command's launch mars attack table while the 1st one should launch a diffrent (old mars) table. I think it's a bug in the game
steam -applaunch 442120 -table_Mars
steam -applaunch 442120 -table_BALLY_Attack_from_Mars
The workaround is to make a copy of Mars.pxp and Name it for example Nars.pxp and then run steam -applaunch 442120 -table_Nars although this is not a good solution
I can confirm 'Dirty Pool' is doable on Xbox One as I have achieved it a few times.https://youtu.be/5VEd94s4p7E
Finally worked out how to share my clips.
EDIT:Just completed it again for 3rd/4th time and date has shown correctly
On another note regarding the Martian Bombs, on a real table the launch button will flash to indicate collected bombs but there is no way to see this on FX3 (unless I'm missing something), so I propose that it may be helpful to have some sort of onscreen indicator to make players aware of bombs and I suppose this could also be implemented on Medieval Madness. This personally doesn't really bother me and I am stiil liking what Zen has done with the Williams tables but I know some players are not aware or forget about bombs.
REWIND WIZARD broken across all tables for me on steam - since the Williams 2 update the rewind wizard is not working correctly across all tables - it's super slow - graphically it's glitchy and sticky and it is taking too long to rewind making the power pretty useless.
My PC is an AMD Ryzen 7 Eight Core 1700x 3.40ghz
Nvidia Gforce gtx1060 6gb
Windows 10
nudge pass is still working on arcade and tournament modes,very realistic simulation indeed.
Party Zone
I keep getting ball stuck in left Ozone ramp. It tries to push the ball up and over but stays there through a minute of resets until it finally has enough to get back into play.
Bug affecting scores in Williams Black Rose that effectively doubles your score. Found by a member of OPPL on ps4 if while playing in classic mode online or offline if Zen graphics mode is off during game if you turn it on just as your last ball drains your end score will double. As such online ps4 leagues have blacklisted it along with the AlienVSPredator table that still has not been fixed. I have done extensive testing on other Black Rose modes and found it only to affect classic. I also tested all other Williams tables and they all seem to be fine. I have taken several videos, but reproducing the 'double score' glitch is as easy as just pushing the button when ball drains so all who read this can easily reproduce it.
While on the subject of bugs. Three times now after playing classic Zen tables while trophy hunting went to play an online tournament on a Williams table and it ran slow as hell. 1/4 speed maybe or less. On another occasion while playing on Black Rose and having the option to have powerups I was getting double score bonus without pushing the button without any drain of it, just in case someone thinks my button was pushed down. It just started giving me double score for no reason.
Also, not a bug exactly, but I have played Match Up this week with the AFM table and it seems to max out at 2 1/2 billion and most anyone can easily beat that every single time. I usually get between 5 and 6 billion. Just seems a bit easy compared to other tables that routinely get higher and higher and higher until you lose.
My FX3 on Switch crashed 3 times already. I forget the error message it was something like "The software closed due to an error", but I think it has something to do with the rewind button or multiball as twice it crashed while rewinding and the other time was multiball. Also I just downloaded the update and 3 new tables. EDIT: It has since stopped crashing, have had a smooth game for a while now.
Friends list high score filter is bugged on the PS4 leaderboards. Ive reported this before, yet it seems I get no clear reply as to if the bug is being worked on, has been duplicated on the developers end of things or anything. Its really frustrating for me & my friends😕
This thread has become ridiculous. We post bugs with the intention of making our gaming experience and the rest of your users better. We're doing your devs a solid and it would be nice if someone from Zen could at minimum mark new bugs as being read so we know you have seen them, after that, if you fix it or not, that's up to you, but let us know you are reading them.
Bug happen on Switch.
Not a pro with this table, dont really know what im doing, but was playing yerterday, and at a certain moment, i had to lauch balls, and everytime, ball were getting stuck somewhere, after 4-5 ball launch, nothing happen, no ball in play, had to tilt the machine, and i saw like 5 balls dropping from the left side.
Rewind causing crash on Switch (ver 1.0.5)... ruined several 1 billion+ games on Getaway, here's an example
More insight into the PS4 friends leaderboards filter BUG! So last night my friend & I who used to battle over top scores via the PS4 leaderboards on pinballfx3 randomly decided since we cant see each others scores lets attempt to sign on the game at the same time & we could discuss our scores in a party to see whos got the highest scores on which tables... well to our surprise when we both were online our scores magically appeared again! Odd? But finally I can see his high scores. I go to bed, wake up check the leaderboards again, his scores are gone??? So apparently I cant see my friends high scores unless theyre on the game simultaneously with me???
Attack from mars.
In pratice, the stroke of luck only awards me the 50M rewards. I can't get any other reward in this mode.
It is that correct?
they probably have tourament mode on on an old rom. the latest rom awards multiple awards in tournament mode.
I get that you found an issue and I didnt want to take away from that and I'm fully aware there is a practice mode, but, honestly, I never saw any reason to play it and thought perhaps I was missing something.
what he meant is that is supposed to be random, but keeps handing out 50M. and that's a symptom of tournament mode on
"Rom revision 1.13b offers a variety of awards for competitive play at the scoop as opposed to only 50m points."
most likely they are using 1.13, and not 1.13b ROMs.
This happened yesterday on PS4. I had a back up from October and mostly have played the new tables so everything was saved except the past 9 tables.
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Sorry for you cantankerous-- Hopefully you had a backup. It happened to me and a friend of mine 2-4 weeks ago, it's really a pain since we didn't had a backup; it's probably more than 500hrs lost on my side...Anyway i started again with the tables i have'nt played before.
Win10/Pro64 Pinball FX3 and Vega 56 Terrible stutter, unplayable.
Every time I get the urge to boot up this game, because "hey maybe I should buy some tables and have fun" I am reminded of the bugs (and baffling decisions, like in my last post) and quickly change my mind to spend, and don't play for long before shutting the game down.
New threads get replies, it seems. This one (with new reports in it) goes largely ignored. I'm frustrated and disgusted.
Do you want my money or not?
In AFM when you have maxed out the Bumper bonus, there are worth 5M.
When you get the superjets, this goes DOWN to 3M, which I guess should also be multiplied by the Bumper Bonus factor.
When playing timed modes on Medival Madness, the timer pauses whenever the ball is in the moat or the castle, however it does not pause when the ball is in the Merlin scoop, Catapult or the Damsel tower.
This seems like a bug and the timer should pause when the ball is trapped in the Merlin, Catapult or Damsel scoops as well.
I have two tables that are utterly unplayable because of the bugs:
-Avengers in any multiball just keeps kicking out balls after the ball save is over and there is no end to game. This is in the challenges and game in wizard skills mode.
-Civil War has the upper right flipper stuck behind the lip of the sink hole and is unusable in the game in wizard mode.
Other bugs include the skill shot NEVER working for years in either the XBOX 360 or XBOX ONE for Star Wars: Masters of the Force. I am an advanced player and I don't need another video sent by ZEN from another platform showing me how it works.
There are other bugs, but the patching the bugs in the unplayable table tables will suffice for now.
Making fixing bugs your priority for a while and see how much you can get done. THANKS!
"Pinball FX3 has end to work" / back to windows
happens to me on Fish Tales, Getaway, Junk Yard, Medieval Madness, and Party zone.
always at the same time, using the end of rewind.
There's another real big problem with double scoring too on all Williams tables. That means all the leaderboards are broken.
I hope you will find what's going wrong.
Junk Yard : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z6XNawqCes
Run from Spike at 4:37 for exemple
Medieval Madness : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKrtPysmqvU
And I remember it happens on Party Zone.
I think there's another important bug with Extraballs on Williams Pinball, I will post a thread later to explain but something's wrong.
As in the weekly head to head. For the past few weeks, my diversity bonus will not rise above 5, regardless of how many tables I have played. The indicator in the Multiplayer menu also only shows the last 2 tables I've played.
Also, I'm not sure if it's expected behaviour or not, but my initial score goals on some tables have been set very high. For instance, the lowest matchup I have first this week for Fantastic Four was 19 million. I went in and scored 9 million and the new lowest matchup was 21 million.
I have only experienced these two issues for the last few weeks, since the new year.
Again "Pinball FX3 has stop working"...
Zen I know you're busy, but it should be good if a dev could show a sign, just to know if our reports are readed or if we're talking to the void :confused:
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Second time in a row that it happens to me : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO8-bcY9rXI
(sorry for my poor english, I am simply tired and disgusted).
All these bugs got the better of my desire to play pinball. I'll come back when you've repaired your game.
This bug is really annoying. Yet I would't quit such a game if you're planning to go for the top score. That should be a 50+ hour game and the Rewind Feature power will always be used up before you reach nearly half of the score. Multiball and Bumper Upgrades are peanuts, the key for big points is the Battle for the Kingdom.
To protect Zen a little I can say that I'm very impressed how much the're able to control the original ROM. Compared to Pinball Arcade which has so many bugs and use only basic functions of the ROM that's a real progress. Rewind a ball, write scores in the ROM, features I've never seen before and guess that needs a lot knowledge about the ROM.
On PS4 in One Ball Challenge mode, the JADE ball saver has been malfunctioning for quite a while.
Also, The Avengers Quinjet multiball continues to be never ending.
Finally, the Guardian Stones on Sorcerer's Lair - they act as one large stone. It doesn't matter which one you hit, they light up left, center, right to open the cellar.
Any idea when/if these may be fixed?
My game was crashed.
By the way the ROM of Medieval Madness is glitched in my point of view (endless game), and since Volume 2, there's the bug of double scoring when you play with only one ball... I prefer to defend the game by asking a fix issue, and dont wanna make a glitched very-high score that couldnt be beaten after this fix issue.
My game lasted several evenings, so I've thought a moment and took all these parameters in account to decide unfortunatly to drop all my remaining balls.
On an unrelated question pertaining to my previous posts about changing my data setting to exclude computer users. When I do that it drops me a level in match up for some reason. Why would that occur? Currently I'm going for diamond 1 when leaving data sharing on and when I elect to have only ps4 players I drop to going for diamond 2 again.
I've never played a real Medieval Madness with this error.
Some bugs on IOS Williams Pinball, playing on Ipad Air 2.
- Once in a while, got no sound at all. Think it happen most of time time when i go out of the app to like go on something else, and when i come back, there is no sound.
- Got lot of difficulty connecting this morning. Server problem? Got scared a bit when i decide to press cancel and saw i lost all my lvl, coincs, tickets, but when it log back, everything went back to normal
- Dont know if its wanted that way, but some beginners challenge difficulty get all jack up once in a while. Very hard time reaching like lvl 5, getting to lvl 10 is a miracle. I offen decide to reset the challenge.
Hot seat, all Williams tables: you cannot set the camera individually. If player one changes the camera, the camera of player 2 will be changed as well...if one prefers camera 1w and the other player camera 3 you have to constantly switch them each turn. :(
Urgent! Please fix!
From what I understood (on the other thread with XB problem), on the real Williams pinball machines of Medieval Madness the max number stacked XB is 4, and you can win 5 XB per ball (so not unlimited).


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According to the Zenworks Command line utilities reference https://www.novell.com/documentation...a/bb15p2z.html
There exists an option to register a device with a new GUID by doing the following...
register (reg) [-g] [-k <key>] [-u <username> -p <password] <ZENworks Server addressort>
Registers the device in a Management Zone.
You can use the following options:
g - Lets you create a new device object with a new GUID and password for the device if you have multiple devices with the same GUID. When you register a device by using this switch, all the associations (policies and bundles) assigned to the original device object are removed. You cannot use this option to create a new GUID for a Primary Server or a Satellite device. The local user must have Local Administrator rights to use this option.
I would like to know if it is possible to have such a command line option for the agent installation. So built into the agent installer, a command line option to force the agent to register with a new GUID.
We are having CONTINUOUS problems with the above scenario. When we move devices from one computer lab to another and re-image the device, Zenworks keps trying to assign the same GUID to the device and this mixes up our Dynamic Workstation groups, which then affect the applicable policies to each device.
I would like to know if there is an option to tell the installer to stop remembering the GUID and simply register the device with a new guid on agent installation.
This way we can build that into the post imaging scripts which install the zenworks agent.


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Daily Mass Reading :
Book of Esther C:12.14-16.23-25.
Queen Esther, seized with mortal anguish, had recourse to the LORD.
She lay prostrate upon the ground, together with her handmaids, from morning until evening, and said:
"God of Abraham, God of Isaac, and God of Jacob, blessed are you. Help me, who am alone and have no help but you,
for I am taking my life in my hand.
As a child I used to hear from the books of my forefathers that you, O LORD, always free those who are pleasing to you.
Now help me, who am alone and have no one but you, O LORD, my God. And now, come to help me, an orphan.
Put in my mouth persuasive words in the presence of the lion, and turn his heart to hatred for our enemy, so that he and those who are in league with him may perish.
Save us from the hand of our enemies; turn our mourning into gladness and our sorrows into wholeness."
Psalms 138(137):1-2a.2bc-3.7c-8.
I will give thanks to you, O LORD, with all my heart,
for you have heard the words of my mouth;
in the presence of the angels I will sing your praise;
I will worship at your holy temple.
I will give thanks to your name,
because of your kindness and your truth.
When I called, you answered me;
you built up strength within me.
Your right hand saves me.
The LORD will complete what he has done for me;
your kindness, O LORD, endures forever;
forsake not the work of your hands.
Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Saint Matthew 7:7-12.
Jesus said to his disciples: "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
Which one of you would hand his son a stone when he asks for a loaf of bread,
or a snake when he asks for a fish?
If you then, who are wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give good things to those who ask him.
Do to others whatever you would have them do to you. This is the law and the prophets."
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As I read your question, you seem to be asking for the development of a new gene, but one which does not in turn require the loss of another gene.
So, using a hypothetical example.
A creature has Gene A, Gene B, Gene C. They each do different things. B codes for a protein which breaks down lactose, let's say.
A mutation occurs which causes B to change.
The creature now has Gene A, Gene D, Gene C. New Gene D codes for a protein which strengthens hair or whatever.
Even though Gene D is new and novel, you would not consider it "new information" since the net result is still 3 genes.
Am I close?
In that case, let's look at another example:
Gene A, Gene B, Gene C again.
This time there is a mutation which causes gene duplication.
So, the new organism has Gene A, Gene B, Gene B, Gene C.
The "new" Gene B is exactly the same as the old Gene B. It's completely redundant.
A couple of generations later, a 2nd mutation occurs resulting in the switch from Gene B to Gene D.
So, now the organism is Gene A, Gene B, Gene D, Gene C.
The new organism can still process lactose (it has gene B) but also has stronger hair (it has gene D).
Would that scenario be considered "new information" since the net gain to the organism is an additional gene with a new property while not losing the existing gene with the original property.
If not, why not?
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What he means by gene switching is, well, gene switching. That is, he very reasonably wants assurance that the novel characteristics of the organism are not caused by the switching on and off of pre-existing genes as a pre-programmed response to a novel environment. Your example is therefore unnecessarily complicated (besides being hypothetical).
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Well, then that's useless question.
Just look at the genome. Is the gene there in an earlier generation? No? Okay, it's there now. Done.
E. Coli/Citrate demonstrates this with multiple mutations.
Go ahead and close the thread.
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Well, yes, we do seem to be done apart from the bit where d4r says "thank you".
Edited because d4r isn't a creationist, he's just talking like one for no apparent reason.
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Is this helpful or confusing? Is there any information in the second image that was not in the first image?
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That seems reasonable, however we need to be sure that the mutation is actually in a gene that codes a protein.
How do you know that the enzyme that nylon eating bacterium used to break down nylon wasn't formerly used for something else?
I could not find any info on the specific mutation that allowed these bacteria to digest citrate. How do you know it was not a mutation to a gene controller?
That seems reasonable but it doesn't rule out gene switching.
You mention how a crude mutation is modified to produce multicellular. This example seems like the silver bullet I am looking for. What type of genes were these mutations happening in?
I am currently exploring the evolution of decreased risk of stroke and heart disease in some people. I will try to explore your examples further but I will admit genetics is not my thing.
Thanks for the examples!
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If you can find the mutation in the sequence, you'll know whether its in an Open Reading Frame or not. So we know that the mutation is in a gene that encodes a protein.
Because bacteria did not intrinsically possess nylon-eating activity prior to the mutation. If they'd had the nylonase enzyme from the get-go, all related bacterial species would have immediately been able to metabolize nylon just as soon as there was some nylon to metabolize.
Direct DNA sequencing.
No, it does rule it out, that's the point. If it's just a matter of switching on a gene that all bacteria have, then every bacteria will switch the gene on in response to the environmental need. That's the point of having a "switch." A good example is the lac operon - bacteria can produce the enzyme beta-galactosidase they need to metabolize lactose, but they won't do it if there's no lactose, and they won't do it if there's lactose but also glucose.
It's only when they're in an environment where lactose is the only sugar that they'll switch the gene for beta-galactosidase on and start to metabolize lactose. Every single bacterium with this gene switching mechanism does it in response to an environment with lactose but no glucose.
On the other hand, only a small number of bacteria gained the ability to metabolize nylon in response to the presence of nylon in the environment. That's what proves that it was a new ability gained by mutation and not the activation of an intrinsic gene.
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If the gene is present, but not switched on, you can detect the presence of the gene by Southern blotting. Basically you make a probe which will "stick" specifically to a sequence of the gene in question. You then take the DNA of the organism in question, seperate it out on an agarose gel then apply your labelled probe and see if it sticks. That detects the presence of the gene.
Alternatively you can use specific primers and attempt to amplify the gene in question using PCR. If the gene isn't present, there's no template for PCR to copy from so you get no product at the end.
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Well, if you look at the DNA directly you can see where the mutation is and so what it's affecting, whether it's in protein-coding DNA or something else.
I'm not sure why you think it matters, can you expound on this?
Well, there aren't bacteria using it for something else.
Well, yes it does. Why do you think it doesn't?
If gene X is switched on as a consequence of environmental stimulus Y, then you'd see the whole bacterial culture switching on gene X in the first generation exposed to stimulus Y.
Genes controlling cell division, natch. I can't find the full text of the relevant articles, just abstracts, but I don't think the researchers did look at the DNA, that's why I gave it as an example of something that one could deduce wasn't gene switching by other means.
The original experiment was done, so to speak, by accident. Dinoflagellates (single-celled predators) got into a culture of chlorella (single-celled prey), which was not what the experimenters wanted to happen. It was lucky for them they didn't just throw it out, but investigated what was going on.
One way chlorella can avoid predation is simply to get too big for the dinoflagellates to eat, and this is what happened.
Now, my reasons for thinking that this wasn't gene switching are as follows:
* The change was not immediate and universal.
* The first change was that cell division was interfered with to such an extent that big blobs of as many of a hundred cells were formed. This has the advantage that the chlorella couldn't be eaten; it has the disadvantage (one presumes) that the cells on the inside would find it difficult to acquire nutrients. The chlorella then tended towards an eight-celled form which was still too big to eat but in which every cell was on the outside of the cluster. Wouldn't gene switching jump to this form immediately?
* This never happens in the wild. Why not? Because in the wild chlorella is not just preyed upon by single-celled predators such as dinoflagellates. A clump of chlorella is too big for a dinofalgellate, it's a tasty meal for a fish. Why would chlorella have a genetic switch just to cope with conditions only met with in the laboratory?
* When the eight-celled forms were transferred to an environment without dinoflagellates, their descendants continued to have the eigth-celled form. Now, this would be something unique in gene switching --- a gene which can be turned on, but can't then be turned off, and is inherited stuck in the on position.
So I think this is a good example of what I'm talking about --- in this case, even if we don't directly look at the DNA, it seems safe to conclude that we're looking at the results of mutation.
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Why would it matter if it did something else before? What matters is if a mutation causes the protein to do something new and novel. In the case of the nylon bug, the insertion of a base created a new start codon in an alternate reading frame. The new enzyme was capable of digesting nylon which was lacking in the bacterium prior to the mutation.
If bacteria with identical genomes are exposed to the same stimuli then they will have almost the exact same reaction. The fact that these new phenotypes only occur once in every million+ cells strongly indicates a mutation and not gene switching.
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As both a biologist and a computer systems analyst, information is simple.
As far as Shannon information is concerned, any change is a loss of information, i.e., the message sent is not the message received.
But biological information is not subject to the rules of communication theory. The definition of biological information that I learned some decades ago is this: the number of bits required to represent a genome. Any change in the number of bits required to represent the genome (a novel mutation, + or -), is a change in information.
The requirement for a new function is a boondoggle. It is another case of an unreasonable creationist demanding the biologists use his definition of information by using a definition that no one but creationists use.
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I think it's the other way round.
The acquisition of new functions is precisely what adaptive evolution is all about, and asking to see it happening (in appropriately small quantities) is a perfectly legitimate request. Dragging the language of information theory into the discussion is the boondoggle, unless at some point creationists propose to do any actual math with it.
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Sure it is. At heart communication theory is just thermodynamics.
This is only true for that portion of communication involving the sending of a message. Creating your message set is also part of communication theory, and in biology where received messages become part of the message set mutations have a tendency to expand the message set, i.e., increase the amount of information that can be communicated.
The easiest way to see this is to consider the example of a population with a certain gene that possesses 3 alleles. The amount of information about this gene that can be communicated to the offspring during reproduction is log2 3 = 1.58 bits. If an individual in this population experiences a mutation in this gene that creates a unique new allele, then this gene now possesses 4 alleles, and the amount of information communicated during reproduction is log2 4 = 2 bits.
Yes, this is the real problem.
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One common theme that I run across in discussions with creationists is that they define "new information" in such a way that evolution does not need to produce it in order for evolution to occur. In fact, using the creationist definitions evolution actually needs to produce a loss in information in order for complex life to evolve. Why? Any mutation is considered to be a loss in information, or at most no net change. What we need to do, IMHO, is challenge the contention that evolution requires an increase in information as defined by creationists.
For example, pick any stretch of homologous DNA for humans and chimps. Ask them which differences represent an increase in information. I have yet to find a single creationist that is capable of determining which differences represent an increase or decrease in information. It just shows how meaningless the creationist argument is.
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Well it was Thursday 12th of October and I had arrived at Broadway Cinema for the 13th MAYHEM festival. I went to collect my weekend pass and shot up to screen one eagerly awaiting the first movie with a pint in my hand and a end of row seat with easy access to the toilet and plenty of leg room. The first movie started without an intro which was weird, I looked around and there were probably 10 - 20 people in the whole place, very odd.
The film started, People were still playing on their phones and a group of rowdy teenagers started throwing popcorn around. I slid down my seat thinking" oh no this is terrible, it will be back downstairs next year if it happens at all" then, Beep Beep Beep.... 7.30 AM Thursday 12th October, it was all a terrible nightmare!! Glad to say the festival was brilliant as ever , Gets better each year, Here are our thoughts .
Natalie "Rape Revenge. I really enjoyed it!! Loved the lead actress thought she did a great job, Glad they didn't overdo the rape scene. Its a very cool vigilante idea as well, Love the ending"
Angela "I thought it was very tense and as Natalie said she's an amazing actress, It's very disturbing"
So with the night over early for me and Emma we headed off home to get some sleep before work and sure to be fresh for the Friday at MAYHEM.
So today's line up was Bitch, 68 Kill, Habit and with it being Friday 13th there was a special showing off Friday 13th :Part 3 in 3D!!
On to Bitch, Now known as the weird time slot at MAYHEM because of out there films from the last few years such as CRUMBS and We Are The Flesh shown at this slot this year we had BITCH. It told the tale of a seemingly perfect house with a high flying rich husband and the perfect kids but all is not well in the world of the "perfect"housewife, One day she just loses it and has a very hard t watch mental breakdown where she takes on the persona of a dog and is locked in the basement, Naked and covering herself in excrement and barking at anyone who enters. Itis a grim watch in places but utterly compulsive, The lead character Jill played brilliantly by Marianna Palka who also directed BITCH is mesmerising and terrifying in equal measures along side Dad(Jason Ritter) who is played with a level of annoyance at times you just want to punch him! Described on IMDB as Comedy/Drama couldn't be more wrong, I'd like to see the reaction of your average family who sit down to watch this comedy! Grim but brilliant.
Up next was 68 Kill, Pretty much non stop all the way through when a girlfriend and boyfriend rob her employee of $68,000 dollars and go on the run, The don't get far before it all goes wrong again and again and again, I did find it a little repetitive in places and it was trying to hard to wear the Tarantino tag, But in saying that it was a fun ride and definitely not short on sex and extreme violence in places, Not amazing but i would say it's definitely worth a one time watch.
Next we had new British movie HABIT, Directed by Simeon Halligan and staring Elliot James who were both in attendance. It's set in the rainy grim underbelly of Manchester, Michael (Elliot) meets up with Lee (Jessica Barden) by chance outside a job centre where she proceeds to tell him she has nowhere to sleep and can she stay at his place for a while, He agrees which in turns end up with him working for her friend as a doorman at a back street massage parlour but all is not what it seems at all. It's brilliantly filmed and retains the "Up North" dark and grim and very British feel throughout, A definite movie you should keep your eye out for, A high recommend from me.
Last up was Friday 13th :Part 3 3D. Once again sadly due to work i had to give this a miss but have seen it on the big screen before and not too long ago the Blu-Ray release, From what i heard and kind of knew it was a blast! Just really shows how different it can be seeing a film such as this in the cinema with fans. A lot of people were saying on the Saturday that having a 3D film on was a great laugh and many including myself would love to see at least another one play at MAYHEM but not Argento's Dracula 3D!
So into the Taxi we got off home again, Straight to bed to look forward to a weekend packed with many more exciting looking MAYHEM movies, Part 2 Saturday/Sunday coming soon,
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A generalized Lotka-Volterra model for a pair of interacting populations of predators and prey is studied. The model accounts for the prey's interspecies competition and therefore is asymptotically stable, whereas its oscillatory behavior is induced by temporal variations in environmental conditions simulated by those in the prey's reproduction rate. Two models of the variations are considered, each of them combining randomness with "hidden" periodicity. The stationary joint probability density function (PDF) of the number of predators and prey is calculated numerically by the path integration (PI) method based on the use of characteristic functions and the fast Fourier transform. The numerical results match those for the asymptotic case of white-noise variations for which an analytical solution is available. Several examples are studied, with calculations of important characteristics of oscillations, for example the expected rate of up-crossings given the level of the predator number. The calculated PDFs may be of predominantly random (unimodal) or predominantly periodic nature (bimodal). Thus, the PI method has been demonstrated to be a powerful tool for studies of the dynamics of predator-prey pairs. The method captures the random oscillations as observed in nature, taking into account potential periodicity in the environmental conditions.
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Naess, Arvid
, Dimentberg, Mikhail F.
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(2008). Lotka-Volterra Systems in Environments with Randomly Disordered Temporal Periodicity. Physical Review E, 78(2).
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An old hut in "usable" condition, in bad weather is a lot better than nothing! this is along the Totara Valley Road, on the way to the start point of one of the Walkways across the mountains of South Island.
Taking pictures of the mountains themselves is a matter of pure luck, so often the cloud cover is so low that the tops (or all) of the mountains aree obscured.


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From a great piece
in yesterday's Wall Street Journal about college rejection letters and the people who've received them:
"Teenagers who face rejection will be joining good company, including
Nobel laureates, billionaire philanthropists, university presidents,
constitutional scholars, best-selling authors and other leaders of
business, media and the arts who once received college or
graduate-school rejection letters of their own."
According to the article, Warren Buffet had this to say about his college rejection from Harvard:
"The truth is, everything that has happened in my life[…] that I thought was a crushing event at the time, has turned out for the better," Mr. Buffett says. With the exception of health problems, he says, setbacks teach "lessons that carry you along. You learn that a temporary defeat is not a permanent one. In the end, it can be an opportunity."
And for the parents reading, Buffet remembers how his father responded to the rejection.
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Every 3 or 4 months my cousin and I arrange for a woodland walk with our daughters. We see each other every day at work but not as frequently with our girls outside of work, so when we do it's really nice to see them both together. They already count each other as best friends and when they're out together they're as thick as thieves and we generally don't get a look in
Our hubbies joined us for the walk for quite possibly the first time since we've had this little tradition. We don't go at a fast pace, choosing to chat and let the girls do their thing. They often stop and collect leaves, chestnuts or other woodland treasure, spending the time talking and helping each other, and it was so funny seeing the men get frustrated at the slow pace my cousin and I are used to, watching them walking on and catching up while we stayed behind with them
This time there were chestnuts everywhere and thankfully I had come prepared with bags for them both – saving both my pockets and camera bag. I stood there with them collecting chestnuts and watching them fill their bags, while the men grew impatient that we hadn't moved anywhere fast and my cousin laughed and looked on. Our little woodland adventures together aren't about getting a stomp on, it's about letting them interact and create memories, and they had such a great time. I feel as though our stomping days are behind us until J's legs are a bit longer!
The walk this time round we chose to go by the river which added an extra half a mile but the girls did fab even though they were lagging by the end of it, and we captured our monthly family portrait by the water. I love our little tradition, especially in autumn when the trees are full of beautiful colours and there are leaves on the ground to walk through, kick and throw.


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Another update on the herbal teas. I'm going to go with Dr B's Herbal Teas 🙂 . Things have been very busy here with work so I have delayed the teas a bit. Working on the dream. Stay tuned for exciting news.
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This past Friday I posted briefly about an assignment I gave my gifted students to work on their ability to connect more abstract ideas to text that they're reading (In this case, Lord of the Flies). You can read about it here. I stuck with pop culture topics that the students would be familiar with for the purposes of keeping interest as well as in an effort to get the mini-project done in the hour-long class period. Well, the results are in and I have to say I'm proud of some of the connections they make. Many make simple one-to-one connections with characters, but a few dug a little deeper. This should hopefully lead to introducing more difficult abstract topics in the future. Read on to see some of the results with explanations of the work!
This gem was produced with 'selfies' in mind for a topic. While this image doesn't include a clear explanation, I'd be willing to say the picture and caption say more than enough. It's creative and shows a clear tie to power structures in Lord of the Flies and our modern affinity to show the world images of ourselves. What do you think?
SnapChat is an interesting phenomenon in of itself. Here students have connected the idea of consequence and perceptions with the boys on the island; they do a great job of connecting their idea directly to the text as well.
While a simple and 'dry' with no images tied to slide, this particular connection to Harry Potter develops bridges to various symbols in both texts. While not mentioned here, in class the idea of some of these symbols really being archetypes even though they are not exactly the same, made for interesting discussion. These seem quite astute to me!
Here's a two parter. This first slide is clearly a brief connection to Star Wars. What I found so apt about this slide, however, is the last three words. What a powerful idea that the text and movie are tied to a battle for the soul! While not deeply tied to a passage like others, this certainly makes me stop to think of my own comparisons. Part two here…
…simply makes me smile. It's always fun to see students have fun with genre and cross written forms with abstraction and humor!
This is one of my favorites. It takes a rather dark theory about the show Adventure Time (very popular with older children and younger teens) and ties it to the darkness found in Lord of the Flies. I remember distinctly the girls in this group asking if they could have 'permission' to tie their topic with the theory presented above. I found this interesting that they felt they needed an authoritative voice to allow them to make the connection. Why didn't they feel authorized already? Was it something I've said before? Or were they worried they're connection had no real value? If you read what they wrote above, I think their is no doubt how powerful their connections are!
And the most interesting for last…
Oh Miley, what would I do without you?! This group was incredibly excited about taking Miley as topic to tie to Lord of the Flies. They worked hard on it. (They originally produced three slides all with animations with multimodality subconsciously in mind.) They wanted to talk about it with the class and 'show it off.' Rightfully so–they do a great job tying their ideas not only to images, but to the text as well. The passage they chose is quite apt don't you think? While not every group took full ownership of this mini-project, it was inspiring to watch this particular group own, love, and share their collaboration.


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Over the past few weeks we've seen the roll-out and the fall-out of the Australian Federal budget. The haggling, the squabbling over numbers, the punches and the counter punches. But amongst it all something happened which has been burning under my skin for a week or so now, and it's time that I wrote about it properly.
We all routinely accept that politicians spin and use numbers as they see fit. But when half-truths are spun as fact I think this borders on more than reckless or irresponsible behaviour.
It should be classified for what it is: an outright and deliberate deception.
Why this annoys me so much particularly is that there are a half-dozen or so government and legislative bodies setup to protect consumers from these exact same actions – if they were made by companies. Marketers and advertisers for organisations around Australia have to abide by dozens of regulations, rules and laws which vary from industry to industry to sell their products and services.
If companies presented 'facts' the same way both sides of politics do there would be outrage. If companies released information this way to the ASX, or in their marketing and advertising of the products and services they provide the organisations in question – particularly in the financial services industry – would be bang in trouble.
Not only would they be openly panned by all members of the media and government. Regulatory bodies whose job it is to protect consumers, such as the ACCC, ASIC and the Advertising Standards Bureau from deceitful or false claims by companies, would investigate and probably fine the company(ies) that made them.
The particular comment that sparked all of this for me, was in the Federal Government's response to the Opposition's proposal in the budget reply to leave the private health rebates the way they are and instead increase the excise (taxation) of tobacco by 12.5%.
The federal government came out all fists flying saying that there was actually a $3 billion hole in the Opposition's plan as they hadn't accounted for what would happen over a 10 year period and therefore their budget proposal was much better. However the budget and the budget reply were only projecting costs and benefits over a 5 or 6 year period, something the federal government failed to mention when touting their numbers against the Opposition.
Essentially the federal government was comparing an apple with an orange without any effective disclosure. Companies can't get away with this for products people choose to buy, so why should a government when they're planning on universally implementing something that we, as the consumers, have no choice about?
As we're talking about billions of dollars, lets take this issue at the pointy end. Let's assume that we're talking about two companies, in financial services. Lets compare two loans which present virtually the same benefits and have virtually the same interest rates and fees. What would both banks marketing and advertising have to disclose?
Do you think Bank A should get away with the following:
Bank A prepares an advertising campaign comparing their $100,000 loan product with Bank B's. Bank A's loan goes for five years. Bank B's goes for 10, all other aspects of the loans are virtually identical in their net result.
Bank A's campaign proclaims loudly and proudly that their loan will save the consumer much more money by comparing their loan against Bank B. But Bank A fails to disclose that the comparison loan from the competitor runs twice as long and the only difference is the interest charged over that period.
How long do you think Bank A would get away with this? – Lets face facts the campaign wouldn't even make it to market. In-house lawyers would block it outright. And even in some unlikely scenario it was approved – it wouldn't take long until multiple regulatory bodies come down on them like a tonne of bricks.
Given all the scrutiny put on the marketing and advertising of everything from packets of peanuts to announcements to the ASX about trading on peanut producers I think it's time for some rules and regulations around the promotion and dissemination of information from government departments when comparing them with other proposals or basing them on published reports.
With both sides of politics routinely expecting and asking more from companies about disclosure so shouldn't we, the Australian public, as their consumers, expect more from them too?


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