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Artificial bait for fish and shellfish
An artificial bait comprises short lengths of randomly dispersed fibers, preferably rayon, a gellable binder, and an attractant, all disposed in a water matrix.
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The present invention relates to artificial bait and more particularly to an artificial bait adapted for fishing, and especially commercial fishing.
A variety of artificial fish baits have been developed using a variety of attractants in many delivery matrices. None of the baits developed thus far, however, are especially adapted to commercial fishing, for example longline fishing where the bait must be secured on a hook and then exposed to a salt water environment for a substantial period of time. Many of the prior artificial baits are not easily applied to a hook, especially when automatic baiting machines are employed to bait the hooks. Additionally, while the bait must remain on the hook for a long period of time upon contact with water, once the hook is retrieved to the fishing boat, the bait must also be easily removable from the hooks. Moreover, the bait must have the capability of allowing a timed release of the attractant from the bait to continuously attract fish to the hook over an extended period of time, must be biodegradable, and must have the feel of natural bait.
One artificial bait that attempts to meet the foregoing requirements is disclosed in Burreson et al., U.S. Pat. No. 4,882,174, issued Nov. 21, 1989. This patent discloses an artificial bait comprising a mat of randomly crossed fibers of a fibrous material, and a fluid mass of dissolved gelatin or pectin and attractant dispersed throughout the fibrous mat. While the bait is retained reasonably well on a hook, it is sometimes difficult to remove from the hook because the barb becomes caught in the fibrous mat. Moreover, because a fibrous mat is used, it is difficult to formulate and form into the desired shape. For example, it is difficult to thoroughly and evenly mix the mat, gel, and attractant disclosed by Burreson et al. Moreover, the bait of Burreson et al. can only be molded into a desired shape. It cannot be extruded and then cut into desired lengths because of the presence of the fibrous mat. In addition, the Burreson et al. formulation does not lend itself to continuous processing because of the time required in the mold for the gelatin- and pectin-based bait to set.SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION
The desirable attributes of a good artificial bait are provided by the present invention, which comprises an artificial bait including a randomly dispersed fiber, an attractant, and a gellable binder selected from (a) alginates, (b) a mixture of carrageenan and locust bean gum, and (c) mixtures thereof. The binder is permeable to the attractant when in contact with water. In its preferred form, the bait comprises a mixture of from 2% to 8% gellable binder, from 1% to 4% fiber, from a trace to 40% attractant, the balance of the mixture being water. All percentages are by weight based on the total composition. Prior to gelling, the mixture is fluid and can easily be mixed so that the fibers and attractant are evenly distributed throughout the binder. The gelled mixture is then packaged for future use.DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE INVENTION
An artificial bait formulated in accordance with the present invention has three primary ingredients: a bulk fiber, an attractant, and a gellable binder in which the attractant and fiber are randomly dispersed. The binder is permeable to the attractant when in contact with the water, that is, the attractant can slowly diffuse through the binder so that it, in effect, is released over a relatively long period of time. The gellable binder is a water soluble material, that can be mixed with the fiber and attractant in an aqueous solution and thereafter caused to gel, thus forming a solid or semi-solid final product that is water insoluble. Prior to gelling, the aqueous solution can be placed in a mold. The mold can take any of several forms including one that forms discrete chunks of bait, or preferably, an elongated continuous mold that forms a thin, elongated strip of bait that can be chopped into desired lengths, fed into an automatic baiting machine, and applied to a hook. Before the aqueous mixture gels, the mixture can also be extruded into a continuous mold to form an elongated strand of desired cross section. The strand can be coiled and stored, or if desired, can be cut into predetermined lengths for storage and application to a hook.
The fiber employed in the artificial bait in accordance with the present invention provides tensile strength to the bait. Without the fiber, the binder may fracture, especially when being applied to a hook. The fiber is most preferably biodegradable. Thus, if the bait drops from the hook or is ingested by a fish that is not caught, it will degrade without harm to the fish or to the environment. It must also be readily and economically available. Preferably, the fiber is purchased in a randomly dispersed bulk form. Natural cotton can be used, although a fiber such as rayon is most preferred because the desired fiber size and grade can readily be obtained on a commercial scale. The fibers actually cause the bait to be stronger after it has been frozen.
It is very important that the size, weight, and amount of fiber employed with the bait of the present invention be strictly controlled. The fiber must have the capability of being evenly distributed throughout the bait mass. It cannot form intertwining balls or ropes and cannot layer into mats. The amount of the fiber must be controlled so that prior to gelling the bait is flowable, mixable into a homogeneous mass, and can also be extruded. It is preferred that the fiber be incorporated into the bait in lengths of less than one and one-half inches, preferably in the range of from one-quarter to one and one-half inches and most preferably on the order of one-half to one inch. Longer fibers have a tendency to form ropes during the mixing process, especially when present in higher concentrations. For example, if the fibers are longer than one and one-half inches, they tend to form ropes or mats in the bait mixture as it is being prepared even when present in intermediate concentrations. Longer fibers also restrict dispersion of the attractant and make it more difficult to remove the bait from the hook after fishing. It is also preferred that the fineness, or denier, of the fiber be on the order of from three-quarters to three, more preferably from one to two, and most preferably one and one-half.
The binder employed in the artificial bait to carry the attractant and fiber formulated in accordance with the present invention must also meet certain criteria. The binder first must be nontoxic and biodegradable. The binder must be inert relative to the attractant, that is, it cannot adversely affect the primary purpose of the attractant. The binder must also be neutral to the fish with respect to smell and taste. The binder must also be flowable for purposes of mixing and extruding, preferably in an aqueous environment, and of course, must be gellable or settable to provide a firm final product. The binder must also have sufficient strength to stay on the hook while yet being relatively easily penetrable by the hook, but ultimately removable from the hook without significant effort. The binder must also have the ability to release the attractant over time upon exposure to water. Importantly, since the bait will be exposed to an aqueous environment, the gelled binder must be substantially water insoluble, while still being sufficiently hydrophilic to allow the attractant to leach out of the binder slowly.
Alginates and a mixture of carrageenan and locust bean gum best meet the desired characteristics for the binder. In addition, both readily bind water, thus providing an inexpensive bulking agent. When gelled both also have a fleshy texture, providing an appropriate "feel" for the fish. Both have a neutral taste and therefore do not repel the fish. Also, once gelled, the binder cannot be thermally reversed at temperatures less than 120.degree. F. to 130.degree. F. Thus, heat does not adversely effect the storage characteristics of the bait or use of the bait under normal atmospheric conditions, even on sunny, hot days.
The most preferred binder is a mixture of carrageenan and locust bean (carob seed) gum. Carrageenan is an aqueous gel-forming hydrocolloid found in several species of red algae and a seaweed called Irish moss. Locust bean gum is a hydrocolloid extracted from carob seeds. The carrageenan provides an excellent binder base. The locust bean gum makes the binder tougher, giving it added strength. It also renders the binder more flexible than carrageenan alone. The locust bean gum can be present in the hydrocolloid mixture in amounts from 20% to 80% by weight, preferably 40% to 60% by weight, and most preferably 50%. These percentages are by weight based on the total binder present.
The mixture of carrageenan and locust bean gum are gelled by heating an aqueous dispersion of the hydrocolloids and thereafter allowing it to cool. Normally heating the aqueous dispersion to a temperature on the order of 180.degree. to 212.degree. is sufficient. The material will then begin to gel when the dispersion is cooled to a temperature on the order of 80.degree. to 90.degree. F.
The most preferred alginate is commonly referred to as sodium alginate. Sodium alginate is the term normally applied to a linear copolymer composed of two monomeric units, D-mannuronic acid and L-guluronic acid. These copolymers are gelled in the presence of calcium ions. Calcium ions bind to adjacent sections of the alginate copolymer. An extensive discussion of the alginates and their gelling reactions is set forth in a pamphlet entitled Structured Foods With The Algin/Calcium Reaction, Technical Bulletin F-83, published by Kelco, 8355 Arrow Drive, San Diego, Calif. 92123, published 1984.
Alginate binders can be set by three different methods: diffusion, internal, and cooling. According to the present invention, it is most preferred to use the internal setting method, which is normally carried out at room temperature. The setting agent is released under controlled conditions from within the system, thus the name internal setting. The preferred setting agents include gypsum, dicalcium phosphate, calcium sulfate, and calcium sulfate dihydrate, with the most preferred being the latter. The rate at which the calcium is made available to the alginate molecules depends primarily on the pH and the amount, particle size, and intrinsic solubility characteristics of the particular calcium salts used. Small particle size and low pH, for example, promote rapid release of the calcium and thus rapid gelling.
It is most preferred that the calcium release be slowed so as to inhibit gel formation and thus allow easier handling of the aqueous solution prior to gelling. For this purpose, a calcium sequestrant is employed to control the gelling reaction by competing with the alginate for calcium ions. Typical sequestrants include sodium hexametaphosphate, tetrasodium pyrophosphate, and sodium citrate. For purposes of the present invention, a sequestrant containing a phosphate ion, and particularly disodium phosphate, is most preferred.
Both natural and synthetic attractants can be employed. Natural attractants can include ground herring, squid, and mackerel, either whole or selected parts of those sources. Most preferred is natural fresh herring without the heads, viscera, and tails. Other natural attractants include dried fish meal, natural amino acids, and other organic acids. Examples of synthetic attractants are described in the following publications: Carr et al., "Chemical Stimulation of Feeding Behavior in the Pinfish, Lagodon rhombiodes: A New Approach To An Old Problem", Comp. Biochem, Physiol., Vol. 54A, pp. 161-166 (1976); Carr et al., "Chemical Stimulation of Feeding Behavior in the Pinfish, Lagodon rhombiodes: Characterization and Identification of Stimulatory Substances Extracted From Shrimp" Comp. Biochem, Physiol., Vol. 54A, pp. 437-441 (1976); Carr et al, "Chemoreception and Feeding Behavior in the Pigfish, Orthopristics chrysopterus: Characterization and Identification of Stimulatory Substances in a Shrimp Extract," Comp. Biochem., Physiol., Vol. 55A, pp. 153-137. Both the natural and synthetic attractants can be incorporated into the bait in accordance with the present invention in either liquid or solid form.
Optional ingredients can also be employed in the artificial bait formulated in accordance with the present invention. These ingredients can include conventional preservatives, starch, and humectants.
Preferred embodiments of artificial bait can be formulated in accordance with the present invention by incorporating the principal ingredients in the following proportions:
______________________________________ Ingredient Preferred Range Most Preferred Range ______________________________________ Carrageenan and locust bean gum fiber 1% to 4% 11/2% to 21/2% carrageenan and 2% to 8% 3% to 5% locust bean gum attractant trace to 40% 5% to 25% optional ingredients 0.0 to 10% 0% to 5% water balance balance Alginates fiber 1% to 4% 11/2% to 21/2% alginate 4% to 8% 5% to 7% setting agent 0.5% to 4% 2% to 3.5% sequestrant 0.1% to 3% 1% to 2% attractant trace to 40% 5% to 25% optional ingredients 0.0 to 10% 0% to 5% water balance balance ______________________________________
The percentages used in the foregoing table are by weight based upon the total weight of the composition including water.EXAMPLE 1
The following example is intended to illustrate to one of ordinary skill how to prepare an artificial bait in accordance with the invention disclosed herein. This example is not included as a of limitation but only exemplification.
An artificial bait is formulated in accordance with the present invention by placing 64.3 parts by weight water into a mixing container. Preferably deionized water or at least decalcified water is used. Rayon fibers having a length of one-half inch and a denier of one and one-half in the amount of 2.4 parts by weight are placed in the water. A gel mixture composed of 5.9 parts by weight of sodium alginate and 1.3 parts by weight sodium phosphate are also placed in the water. Attractant comprising ground herring without heads, viscera, or tails is also placed in the water in the amount of 20 parts by weight. The mixture is thoroughly stirred to ensure that the attractant and the fibers are completely randomly dispersed throughout the mixture. Thereafter an aqueous solution of setting agent comprising 2.7 parts by weight of calcium sulfate and 3.4 parts by weight of water are added to the mixture. The mixture is thereafter poured in a mold and allowed to set. The mixture sets in approximately one to three minutes. Thereafter the material is taken from the mold and frozen.EXAMPLE 2
An artificial bait is formulated in accordance with the present invention by placing 74.2 parts by weight water in a mixing container. The water is then heated to boiling temperature (approximately 212.degree. F.). Preferably, deionized water or at least decalcified water is used. Rayon fibers having a length of one-half inch and a denier of one and one-half in the amount of 2.0 parts by weight are placed in the water. A gel mixture composed of 3.8 parts by weight of a binder (approximately 50% carrageenan and 50% locust bean gum) are also placed in and thoroughly admixed with the water and the fibers using a high shear type mixer. When the water reaches a temperature of less than about 180.degree. F., attractant comprising ground hearing without heads, viscera or tails is placed in the water in the amount of 20 parts by weight. Preferably, the ground herring are either at room temperature or refrigerated so that when they are placed in the hot water, the temperature of the water begins to rapidly fall, thus limiting the high temperature exposure of the attractant. While the temperature of the water is rapidly falling, the mixture is thoroughly stirred to ensure that the attractant and fibers are completely randomly dispersed throughout the mixture. When the temperature of the material approaches 120.degree. to 130.degree. F., it begins to gel and is extruded through an extrusion die. The mixture begins to firm up in a few minutes as the temperature falls below 120.degree. F. The bait can be naturally cooled by exposure to room temperature air. If desired, the cooling can be accelerated by, for example, blowing cool air on the bait. After the bait has naturally cooled for approximately ten minutes, the resulting extruded rope can be coiled and placed in a container and frozen.
The bait prepared in accordance with the present invention can be stored for long periods of time when frozen. The bait needs to be removed from the freezer only a few hours before use and allowed to thaw at room temperature. Once thawed, the bait can be placed on a hook and the hook set.
Materials such as high fructose corn syrup, sorbitol, dextrose, and sucrose can be added to decrease the water activity of the bait and thereby increase shelf life of the bait in unfrozen form. These materials can be used in amounts from 25% to 40%, replacing water otherwise in the bait.
The present invention has been described in connection with preferred embodiments thereof. It is intended that one of ordinary skill can effect various alterations, substitutions of equivalents, and other changes without departing from the broad concepts disclosed herein. For example, while it is not preferred, mixtures of alginates, carrageenan, and locust bean gum can be employed as the binder. It is therefore intended that the Letters Patent granted hereon be limited only by the definition contained in the appended claims and the equivalents thereof.
1. An artificial bait comprising:
- an attractant;
- a gellable binder comprising a mixture of carrageenan and locust bean gum, said binder being permeable to said attractant when in contact with water; and
- short fibers randomly and evenly dispersed throughout the binder, the fibers being present in an amount sufficient to provide strength to the binder while allowing the binder, attractant, and fibers to be readily mixable and flowable prior to gelling of the binder,
- the components being present in the following proportions:
- all percentages by weight based on the total weight of the composition.
2. The bait of claim 1, wherein said fiber has a length of less than one and one-half inches and a denier of less than three.
3. The bait of claim 2, wherein said length is between one-quarter inch and one and one-half inches.
4. The bait of claim 3, wherein said length is preferably about one-half inch.
5. The bait of claim 2, wherein said denier is between three-quarters and three.
6. The bait of claim 5, wherein said denier is about one to about two.
7. The bait of claim 6, wherein said fiber is rayon or cotton.
8. The bait of claim 7, wherein said fiber is rayon.
9. The bait of claim 1 further comprising a humectant.
10. The bait of claim 1 further comprising a preservative.
11. The bait of claim 1, wherein the proportions are:
12. A method for making an artificial bait comprising: forming a mixture of the following proportions:
- forming the resulting mixture into a shape and allowing said mixture to cool and thereby gel.
13. The method of claim 12, wherein said mixture has the following proportions:
14. The method of claim 13, wherein said fiber is rayon.
15. The method of claim 14, wherein said fiber has a length of less than one and one-half inches and a fineness of than three denier.
16. The method of claim 15, wherein said length of said rayon fiber is between one-quarter inch and one and one-half inches.
17. The method of claim 16, wherein the length of said rayon fiber is about one-half inch.
18. The method of claim 16, wherein said denier is between three-quarters and three.
19. The method of claim 18, wherein said denier is about 1 to 2.
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Type: Grant
Filed: May 30, 1991
Date of Patent: Mar 30, 1993
Assignee: Marco Seattle, Inc. (Seattle, WA)
Inventors: Harold T. Cook, Jr. (Bainbridge Island, WA), Mimi S. Fielding (Gig Harbor, WA)
Primary Examiner: Richard K. Seidel
Assistant Examiner: Chuck Y. Mah
Law Firm: Christensen, O'Connor, Johnson & Kindness
Application Number: 7/707,470
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Doesn't this pretty much sum up the job of a storyform? To hold scenes together, to hold individual through lines together, and to hold all four throughlines together as a story?
OS stuff isn't about pushing the MC to change, though. Structurally, isn't it about pushing everyone to pursue or to reconsider or to control as it regards the Story Goal. And wouldn't Marion fit into the OS in this way? (I'm assuming she offers some form of Hinder or Help or Feeling or something to the story).
Exactly. The given that CA:CW wants you to accept is that superheroes are dangerous. The example you give creates a similar argument, but has a different given and potentially a different storyform. Now the physics of blowing up innocent people isnt the source of conflict. Being forced to comply with a government mandate is the source of conflict. But that's not this movie.
This has been an interesting debate to read. Jumping off what @Gregolas is saying--the one thing that I've found helpful about Dramatica is that the storyform does seem to account for all the characters who are not the MC or IC, as they all have roles in the OS and can represent different motivations/methodologies/evaluations/purposes in regards to the story goal, or even have their own relationship with the MC, separate from the MC/IC relationship. If I'm understanding @jhull correctly, Marion or Han are vital to their stories, it's just that they aren't vital to changing the MC's worldview (or causing them to remain steadfast). They could be offering support or help or tempting the MC off the path.
And that's where I think you're wrong. If they stopped punching things, the conflict would still be there. Even if they spent the rest of the movie just shouting at reach other across a table, that's still conflict. If they all chose the same side at any point in the movie, the conflict would be over. That's why I'm saying the underlying conflict in Civil War is superheroes being forced to choose sides against each other.
I can agree with this. My point is only that I can't see how one gets much value out of the storyform analysis when it privileges an entirely intellectual issue above an emotional one. The bottom line for me is this: there is an important narrative thread throughout Raiders that is about Indy and Marion's relationship. If that's not in the storyform, then something important is missing.
I agree with you. I think analyses offer very little utility for a writer. That's why I have avoided it. A person could be amazing at finding Storyforms and have zero ability in creating stories. And vice versa.
A great writing teacher could be a terrible writer. An amazing movie critic could have no business in the director's chair. And vice versa.
Deconstruction and construction of a story are two very different things. And I don't think ability in one leads to or translates to ability in the other.
That's not saying anything bad about Dramatica. I wish there were more resources like Dramatica for Screenwriters. That's very different from analysis.
Funny. In regard to constructing (creating) a Story, I feel like this is the strength of Dramatica. As long as you can reasonably twist, shove, and contort your concepts into the Storyform then I feel like it will work. In fact, a writer's ability to present an old story in a reimagined and clever way often creates a better story.
On the deconstruction side, I feel that many times more than one interpretation of a domain could be reasonable, but maybe fewer (or only one) will fit all four domains.
Also, when people start talking about perfect Storyforms, I'm a bit dubious. Because there are no perfect directors, authors, screenwriters, etc. So I have a hard time believing that a person who was completely aware of Dramatica could represent a perfect Storyform in a completed consumable story -- let alone a person who has no idea what Dramatica is.
The perfection of form is never realized. Ever. I think you have a different idea of what a perfect Story is @decastell. Me too. For me, Dramatica seems really good at clearing the road for the craft. Maybe it allows for the suspension of disbelief. In some ways, it takes the mind out of the equation.
Possibly, but not necessarily. Cap can sign the accords and still be conflicted about giving up his freedom to help. Then the argument would change from 'heroes being destructive causes conflict as they pick sides' to 'heroes being destructive causes conflict because heroes are brought under control of the govt.
I will (try) to give you last word on that and move on because I think this is becoming more about CA than about objective storyforms.
What we're saying is that Marion probably is in the storyform. I don't know how. Maybe she's a reason archetype, maybe she represents production. I have no idea. But she probably has some kind of OS relationship with Indy even if not an RS relationship.
I mentioned this earlier and deleted it, but I'm going to go ahead and reply with it here. Dramatica isn't a storycreating tool. It's a description of the problem solving process used as a tool to help tell stories. Dramatica tells you how to solve a problem and let's you tell your characters how to go about that. If you're looking for Dramatica to write the story, or to make your audience laugh or cry, the storyform probably isn't the place to look. If you want a means to make sure you are telling a consistent story throughout, a storyform is the way to go.
You're right -- this is the underlying conflict, and it's fully supported by the storyform at the Issue & Problem levels.
Your example about the government mandate may or may not have changed the storyform -- it's hard to tell from that one example. It certainly sounds like people are driven by problematic Control, for example. In any case, it didn't change the OS Domain because it was still about what superheroes do (saving people over here vs. over there is still an external process).
If you want to change the Domains & Concerns, start the story with something like: a government mandate that black superheroes and white superheroes cannot operate on the same team, nor can male and female superheroes. And make it clear that the reason behind the mandate is that a large majority feels that such separation is better for everyone. Some of the Avengers actually agree with this because, you know, working alongside women has always been tough -- they're distracting with their tight cat-suits and you always feel like they can't pull their weight even when they're levitating tanks. (i.e. everyone in the story is suffering from issues of Mind/Fixed Attitudes, maybe Preconscious.) Even the Avengers who disagree realize they have trouble curbing their own biases. So you still have people choosing sides about whether to follow the mandate or not, but it's a very different story. Can you see how that conflict is entirely different from Civil War's?
I wrote my first novel before I knew anything about Dramatica. Thinking back on it, I was at first petty sure the main character's love interest was the IC -- after all, she represents the passionate, emotional focus of the novel and is the motivating drive for almost everything the main character does in the book.
But upon reflection, I realized she's not the IC; the main character's cousin/romantic rival, who challenges his perspective, is. This hit me like a ton of bricks when I remembered I'd actually written a "you and I are both alike" scene between them! This realization totally validated Dramatica analysis for me.
What it didn't do was tell me how to get from here to there, (i.e. from encoded storyform to passionate story), which maybe is what you're saying.
Me, too. That's why I'm waiting on Jim to release his upcoming bestseller, "Letters To Sebastien" – which he must use as the title now.
I find this more stressful than helpful in some ways. What I like about Dramatica is that it kind of posits "Oh, since you're interested in dealing with X here, then why don't you explore Y there." It's the generative aspect – the questions it poses – that I find most helpful.
Yes, at which point you'd have a success/bad ending, which is pretty much where Civil War ends up. Cap's rebels are arrested or go into hiding, Tony's pro-Accord side has won, and Cap's in a lousy place (he literally gives up his shield – the very symbol of his fight for freedom since WWII).
Again, we could argue about this all day, and eventually someone will just sort of clamp down and that's that. So there's probably no point as I'm not sure how much more Civil War talk @jhull can take before he writes a computer virus to delete all known copies of the movie from existence.
Is that what everyone's saying? 'Cause I didn't get that from the discussion.
Well, Dramatica Story Expert is a story creating tool. Go check out the ad copy for it and find the part where they say it's not meant for creating stories.
Before we get into a thing about the model being different from the software, I just want to point out that the only interest the majority of writers are going to have in either is the degree to which it helps them create stories.
There's this undercurrent in the discussions sometimes that seems to be about Dramatica making one smarter or more aware or astute about stories. Honestly, I couldn't care less about being a more astute literary or film critic. Astute as a virtue only matters if it helps me write better – that's the day-to-day struggle I work with. The "I feels so insightful now" aspect of it always reminds me of the Hero's Journey – this sort of pedantic drive to prove that all stories are somehow linked to this grand mythology. It can be a fascinating diversion sometimes – a way to stretch the mind and enjoy thinking about how you'd group stories like sliding the same colour of Smarties (M&M's to you American types) on the table and enjoying the abstract visual that creates. But it's still a diversion, not the thing that governs a storyteller's life: creating stories.
(Sorry about the rant – just had to get that out of my system)
Okay, but it's just you and me in this corner 'cause going through the thread I don't think anyone else would agree.
Yes, but I don't get your point. I'm not saying that "all stories in which people are conflicted over being forced to choose a side" have the same storyform. I'm saying that the constant source of conflict in Captain America: Civil War is heroes being forced to choose a side. I've got no investment in proving one storyform fits all of a particular type of story – I'm just saying that what drives Civil War is not "heroes are destructive" but rather "heroes being forced to choose a side against each other"
AAH! Okay, I thought you didn't agree with the OS being in Physics because of that. I thought you were saying that "heroes being forced to choose a side against each other" meant it had to be in Mind or maybe Psychology. That if the OS Domain was Physics, it meant Civil War was the same as all other superhero flicks.
So to kind of summarize, "superheroes being forced to choose sides against each other" fits really well in Physics/Obtaining/Self Interest/Control, and I don't think anyone on this thread would disagree with that. The storyform supports it perfectly at the Issue & Problem levels, with the Domain & Concern giving that conflict the context it needs. That's why it comes across so well. @jhull or others, please let us know if you disagree?
I don't think Dramatica says any story point is "more important" than any other, some are just broader and others more specific. If you feel the conflict at the Issue & Problem levels is the true meat of the story, there's absolutely nothing wrong with seeing it that way. (You just may want to consider that tendency when you're doing analysis -- the "good" stuff to you is probably further down in the model.)
This is the whole reason I started this thread and I think it's happening with Radiers too. Jim hasn't said, but I bet all those scenes you mentioned with Marian incorporate stuff like OS Focus/Direction or MC Focus/Direction or OS Issue/Counterpoint ("I just want the girl" = Morality), or whatever. Perhaps even all of the above.
'We' meant me and @mike.d, who seemed to agree with me. Sorry if I spoke for Mike.d out of turn.
My Dramatica software is problem solving software geared toward writing stories, however it's marketed. Because it mimics problem solving processes of humans who, theory says, solve problems through narrative, they may be the same thing. But Dramatica is not a story creation tool in that, if you want to write a story about superheroes choosing side, it's not going to tell you what they are choosing sides over. But it is going to tell you that if you want to write a story about why heroes being destructive and choosing sides is a problem, that your plot is going to need to be about heroes Obtaining, Learning, Doing, and Understanding as they work through the problem.
The degree to which it helps create stories is its ability to tell an author where to take the story as they explore the next part of the problem.
That's certainly possible. That might explain why the domains always end up feeling either conflicting or superfluous to me. Still can't get behind the storyform for Civil War with the OS being "taking revenge on the Avengers" since that seems like such a miniscule part of the movie and happens through Zemo's manipulations in comparison to what we're seeing the bulk of the time.
I can agree with this, at least in part. The interesting thing about Dramatica over other tools is simply that once you've put a couple of stakes in the ground about what you're determined to write about, it then prompts you to consider other avenues.
But Dramatica EXCLUSIVELY deals with the part about a means to explore a problem.
The parts you refer to are extraneous to the Dramatica Storyforming process. That's why you won't find them in a Dramatica Analysis. You will find them on other sites and in other paradigms of story, but not Dramatica.
The level to which an Audience member finds Raiders thrilling is not measurable by the Dramatica storyform. Not to say it's not important, but it's not part of a Dramatica Analysis.
Then you're focusing on a portion of storytelling that Dramatica doesn't cover. That's likely why you have trouble identifying Domains—the audience doesn't care about Domains. Only the author should—if he wants to keep the arguments within his or her story consistent.
I will get to work on the blind taste test—unfortunately there are only six people who can do this at a certain level of expertise. Hopefully that's enough.
Dramatica is not concerned with what is most important to the Audience—it's concerned with the specific argument presented by the story. Marion does not fulfill a significant role in the presentation of an argument. Take her out and you would be left with the same argument—stop being so sure of everything, and you can unlock a true mystery.
You would have to concoct different scenarios for why Indy gets into different situations—but the message would stay the same.
Yes, the feeling might be different—but the argument would be the same. Look to the potential of things and you will survive.
Dramatica evaluates the message, not the level of thrills or feels.
No. What it means is that those stories failed to present consistent arguments. It doesn't mean they were bad, or somehow deficient—just that their arguments were deficient.
There is a correlation between the effectiveness or integrity of the argument and high critical acclaim. Obviously, there will be outliers—many other things factor in to an audience's favorable response: acting, genre, beloved children's series—all kinds of things that determine the final result.
The storyform—as seen by Dramatica—plays a part in that, but it is not the be-all, end-all.
Yes, Dramatica is an incomplete way of looking at what makes a story work. The part it does cover—the argument presented by the Author—it covers expertly and in a way unparalleled by anything else.
It's not that my telescope can't see Saturn—it's that it can't see the majesty that is Saturn. That's what you're looking for in Dramatica, and what you will never find.
The chemical makeup and gravitational forces of Saturn's rings are such that eventually they will dissipate and disappear. We know this because of our telescopes—both earthbound and in satellite form. We can measure the integrity of Saturn's rings with these instruments, deem them lacking and deficient, and can make accurate predictions as to their ultimate demise.
We can enjoy their majesty now, but there isn't enough strength in their composition to keep them lasting. Eventually, Saturn will just be another gas giant.
Same thing with stories with faulty or deficient narrative structures. We lose the composition of their message. We may remember their majesty, but we forget their message.
Thankfully, we now have a telescope like Dramatica that can help us identify the molecular composition of a narrative. We can identify weak spots, shore up faulty bonds, and ensure an integrity of narrative elements so that we can enjoy both message and majesty for all time.
If this happens, I would love to know what movie you use in advance of the results being posted so I can try to play along at home without being too tempted to look at what the experts came up with first! I bet there's at least a couple others who would like to play the home version as well.
Ditto! I'd like to do this, too.
First off, just want to say thanks to everyone putting in their thoughts and especially to @jhull for this particular response as it really brings into focus what aspects of a story Dramatica does and doesn't address.
It's a fascinating distinction to me because as an author my focus tends to be on theme, which in many ways is the intersection between problem and feeling. Theme tends to look at a question like "does love conquer all" and then explore it through the ways in which the characters feel about that question (even more so than what they might think about it.)
So it's probably natural that a Dramatica analysis will always be troublesome for me because it disentangles problem from emotion, but as a novelist I have to see the problem through the lens of emotion.
I get asked at fantasy conventions all the time about my writing process and my most frequent response is, "I go for a run while listening to music and think of every way a scene could unfold and look for the one that makes me start to cry."
Okay, but I'm still convinced that Maltese Falcio has a complete storyform.
Where I somewhat disagree with your statement, though, is that when I read the analyses of these "broken stories" it often seems presented as if the film doesn't really work. I think the one for Maltese Falcon even says it doesn't stand the test of time – that to me sounds like a statement about the appreciation of the film.
The challenge here is that with a film like Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, which was deemed a broken storyform (not that I agree with that analysis), you're banking on people only 'remembering the majesty' but forgetting the message. I don't think that's true of that film any more than it would be of, say, The Prestige (which I bet almost no one remembers the message from).
In case you're wondering what I think the message of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone is, it's something along the lines of "Friendship and sacrifice are needed to overcome great evil." That first movie is all about Harry becoming friends with Ron and Hermione, begging the sorting hat to put him in the same house as them, standing together against Draco and the bullies, having to allow Ron to sacrifice himself (getting hurt on the giant chessboard), but also Neville standing up to his own friends – risking sacrificing that relationship – to try and keep them from breaking the rules (which is why they win the house cup at the end.)
I may have phrased the meaning inartfully here, but seventeen years after the release of that movie, I think audiences still find a strong message there – and probably more so than any number of films that appear to have a complete storyform.
See? For all your talk of structure, at your core you're just chock full of poetry.
Wasn't that written by Lawrence Kasdan? Maybe if we go back we'll find it has two storyforms! (Sorry, couldn't resist @jhull)
I'm not too far outside of agreeing with this. I will say that from an audience reception viewpoint, this is probably what the film looks like to a bunch of people. From a Storyform viewpoint, I was strictly addressing the Domain level, so I probably should have separated that from the idea of choosing sides.
At the Domain level, the underlying conflict is super people fighting. That's the umbrella over the plot and theme level. But looking to the theme level from a storyform viewpoint, the underlying conflict isn't quite about heroes choosing sides. It's about everyone advocating their own ideas or opinions, including the non super heroes, and this looks like an argument about choosing sides because of how it's told. It starts with the U.N. or whoever drafting the accords and demanding they be signed because that's in their best interest ('their' referring to a collective non super population). The heroes all take turns sharing why everyone should do what that hero wants. Everyone's argument is based on what's best for 'me' or what's best for 'us'. It's best for us to be held in check, it's best for us to decide who to help.
Anyway, I know I said I was going to give you the last word and move on, but I didn't want to act entirely as @decastells skeptic or contagonist or whatever I've been being, and this felt a bit more on topic again.


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