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Cambodia Factories Grapple With Issue of Underage Workers
Young Teens Lie About Their Age to Get Hired as Plants Scramble for Staff
SIHANOUKVILLE, Cambodia—In this quiet beach town, Lim Loeung says she spends up to 80 hours a week gluing soles onto shoes at a factory that does work for companies including Japanese sneaker-maker Asics Corp. 7936 0.59% The factory believes Ms. Lim is at least 18 years old.
Except she's not. According to her parents and her birth record, Ms. Lim soon will turn 15.
Ms. Lim said that at her job interview a factory employee wrote an earlier birth year on her paperwork than the one indicated on the birth record she presented. "If they see our age is younger, they will not choose us," she said.
Her 20-year-old sister, Len, said a factory worker did the same thing when she applied there a couple of years ago before she had turned 18.
A spokesman for the factory, New Star Shoes Co., denied the girls' claims. "We do not change the birthdays," said the spokesman. The factory doesn't employ any workers under 18, he said, but some people may lie about their age to get hired. He also said no one at the factory works 80 hours a week but declined to specify workers' schedules.
Katsumi Funakoshi, general manager of Asics' public-relations department, said the company recently conducted a third-party audit at New Star of labor and other matters. He said the inspection didn't find evidence of employees who were under age 15 but that it revealed "excessive working hours" and health and safety issues at the factory, which he said Asics is working to fix.
Overall, child and teen labor is declining, according to recent United Nations surveys of numerous types of work across the world. But, despite that data, a Wall Street Journal investigation into the garment business indicates that underage labor continues to be an issue in that industry, especially involving teen workers who are able to pass themselves off as 18 or older.
Teen hiring carries moral complexities particular to poor nations, where much of the world's clothes are sewn.
Cracking Down
Milestones in the history of child labor – and the efforts to combat it.
Late 1700s/1800s: Child labor expands in Industrial Revolution-era factories, especially in Great Britain.
1833: British Factory Act of 1833 forbids child employment under age 9 and limits hours older children can work in the textile trade. Later acts raised minimum age restrictions and extended rules to other industries.
1838: Charles Dickens publishes Oliver Twist, documenting the tough lives of impoverished youths
1870s: Steps to begin making education compulsory in Great Britain help to further curb child labor there.
1904: National Child Labor Committee formed in U.S. as worries over child labor rise in that country.
1909: Photographer Lewis Hine draws further attention to child labor with photos in Day Laborers Before Their Time and other works.
1938: Fair Labor Standards Act establishes minimum age restrictions for U.S., including a floor of 18 for hazardous occupations.
1973: International Labour Organization "Convention No. 138" recommends minimum age for basic work of 15, with exceptions of 14 for some developing countries.
1989: United Nations adopts Convention on the Rights of the Child
1996: U.S. celebrity Kathie Lee Gifford pledges to help reduce child labor in developing-world factories after learning clothing bearing her name was made by sweatshop workers.
1996: Life Magazine publishes expose about child workers making soccer balls for Nike and others in Pakistan
1998: Nike raises minimum age for workers at its footwear factories to 18.
1999: Clinton administration approves executive order requiring federal agencies to maintain lists of products believed to be produced by forced child labor.
2008: U.N. survey finds significant decline in under-14 child labor.
2010: Nike revises minimum-age rules to allow some employees as young as 16 in shoe factories, provided they aren't in hazardous work.
2013: Under-18 workers found among survivors of Rana Plaza garment factory collapse in Bangladesh.
Sources: U.K. National Archives, U.K. Parliament, National Child Labor Committee, U.S. Department of Labour, International Labour Organization, U.N. Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, Encyclopedia Britannica, Associated Press, Life Magazine, Nike Inc., WSJ reports
Employers in Cambodia, for instance, are required to ensure that workers under 18 are in safe environments and don't work overtime or night shifts. Cambodia has also ratified U.N. conventions designed to keep teens who are under age 18 from hazardous work that jeopardizes their health or morals.
But the definitions of hazards aren't always clear. And teens themselves, eager for money, sometimes present the identification documents of other people to appear older, according to labor activists, factory officials and some workers.
At the same time labor shortages, fueled by demand from global retailers, have set off a scramble for workers. "Every factory is short-staffed," said Mashiur Rahman, general manager of Universal Apparel (Cambodia) Co. and Southland (Cambodia) Co. garment operations in Phnom Penh. "I have 2,000 workers. I need 3,000."
Many people, including labor activists, believe it is vital to keep garment factories open to teens, in part because the jobs can help keep them away from the sex trade and other perils and allow the youngsters to help support their families.
One risk is that the teens "fall off the radar and into more informal-sector work that's even less regulated and maybe even more dangerous, or morally damaging," said Simrin Singh, a child labor specialist at the U.N.'s International Labor Organization in Bangkok.
The number of youths engaged in child labor fell by nearly 78 million between 2000 and 2012 to 168 million, according to U.N. data released in September. The decline was especially pronounced among younger children and appeared to accelerate over the past four years.
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- Bangladesh: Voices From the Rubble
But scrutiny of the global garment trade, and the role young laborers continue to play in it, has increased after disasters including the April collapse of the Rana Plaza complex in Bangladesh, which killed more than 1,100 people. In Cambodia, accidents in May at two factories injured around 30 people and killed two, including a 15-year-old girl.
The 15-year-old, Kim Dany, was killed at a factory outside Phnom Penh after just two weeks on the job. She died when a mezzanine floor at the factory, Wing Star Shoes, collapsed.
Ms. Kim's parents said their daughter used an older neighbor's identity documents to get hired at the factory.
Ms. Kim's cousin, Vann Dany, who said she is 16 years old and worked in the same factory, said her cousin was unhappy and had been planning to quit. "She wanted to go back to school," said Ms. Vann, who quit after her cousin's death.
Wing Star has the same Taiwanese ownership as New Star, the factory where the Lim sisters work.
Chea Sothavirith, director of administration at Wing Star, said the factory didn't know Ms. Kim was underage before she died because she had presented false documentation. He said he didn't know her cousin, Vann Dany.
"Since the incident happened, we respect the law more and we try to be stricter on child labor," Mr. Chea said. "We do more studies on the documents and work with authorities before recruiting them."
Ron Pietersen, senior general manager in the global legal and compliance division of Asics, which also contracts with Wing Star, said Ms. Kim's death was a wake-up call for the company, which is now taking a "tougher" approach with its suppliers to ensure workplace safety is a priority. For example, Mr. Pietersen said, Asics instructed all its supplier factories in Cambodia to join the U.N.'s Better Factories Cambodia program, which monitors factories, publishes its findings and offers training for factories and workers.
Concern about child labor in developing-world manufacturing intensified back in the 1990s after a series of news reports, including one involving child workers allegedly making soccer balls for Nike Inc. NKE 1.12% in Pakistan, elevated the issue. A Nike official said the soccer-ball report was a catalyst for the company to improve its supply chain. Nike in the late 1990s said it would no longer employ anyone under 18 in its shoe factories.
But global retailers are still grappling with the teen issue. Nike revised its earlier prohibition on shoe-factory staff younger than 18 in 2010 to allow some employees as young as 16, provided they aren't in hazardous work. Turning away workers under 18 could "potentially have unintended consequences" and deprive them of a way to move ahead in life, said Hannah Jones, Nike's vice president for sustainability. "This is not an easy issue."
Kailash Satyarthi, founder of New Delhi advocacy group Bachpan Bachao Andolan, or Save the Childhood Movement, said adolescents between 14 and 18 are particularly attractive to factory owners because they are more likely than younger children to have dropped out of school and are better able to work long hours.
In India, about 44% of the 530 young laborers the group removed from garment factories in the first half of this year because of unsafe or unfair conditions were 14-18 years old, he said. In all of 2011 that percentage was 27%. Several survivors of the Rana Plaza disaster in Bangladesh who were interviewed by The Wall Street Journal were under 18.
Cambodia, a poor Southeast Asian country, burst onto the global garment scene in the 1990s when its leaders looked to create jobs after years of civil war. In the first 10 months of this year, the value of Cambodia's garment exports rose 20% to $4.61 billion over the previous year, according to the Commerce Ministry. Foreign direct investment rose 73% last year.
This rapid growth makes it harder to find enough workers.
In addition to ratifying U.N. conventions on child labor, Cambodia has set its own minimum-age rules. Children under 18 aren't allowed to do hazardous or overtime work or to sign employment contracts without a guardian's consent. Workers between 12 and 15 are prohibited from doing jobs that could interfere with school attendance, among other provisions. Children under 12 can't hold jobs.
Some factory owners decided it wasn't worth the trouble hiring youths under 18, given the extra rules, said Ken Loo, secretary-general of Cambodia's Garment Manufacturers' Association.
But some youths, like Ms. Kim, falsify their age. In other instances, factories falsify paperwork to make it appear that all their employees are over 18, according to workers. The lack of a universal birth registration system in Cambodia complicates things.
Nine of the 12 workers interviewed one Sunday this year near the New Star factory, where the Lim sisters work, said they had been hired by New Star when they were under 18. Half were still under 18. Six of the nine said they had submitted false age information. Lim Loeung, the girl who said she spends up to 80 hours a week gluing soles, said factory supervisors falsified her age. Two workers didn't fully explain how they came to be hired despite their age.
The New Star spokesman said the factory in Sihanoukville doesn't employ anyone under 18 and that when workers have appeared particularly young, the company has made efforts to verify ages with parents. He said working conditions at New Star have "significantly improved" recently and that the factory two months ago joined the U.N. Better Factories Cambodia program that helps monitor factory conditions.
The two Lim sisters who were hired before they were 18 are part of a team that makes 550 pairs of shoes a day. They work in a glue section. The smell "chokes" them, they say.
Cambodian law prohibits children under 18 from working around "harmful chemical" agents but doesn't specify whether glue is considered such an item. The country's secretary of state at the Labor Ministry, Oum Mean, said the legality of minors working with glue would have to be determined on a case-by-case basis after an investigation.
The New Star spokesman said the factory mostly uses water-based adhesives, which are considered safer by experts, but that sometimes the factory "cannot avoid using regular glue."
Experts say the issue is complex. Jill Tucker, chief technical adviser of the U.N. factory-monitoring program Better Factories Cambodia, said specialists would have to examine which types of chemicals are used, the factory's ventilation system and other factors before knowing whether a factory is safe for minors.
"It's not as easy as 'all glues are dangerous,' or 'no glues are dangerous,' " she said.
Ms. Singh, the U.N. child-labor specialist, said the thought of young employees working with glue made her "super nervous." She said she would generally recommend that factories assign teens to tasks that have more certainty of being safer, such as packaging.
Lim Loeung's older sister Len requested a transfer to another area of the factory. Her request was denied, she said. When the factory hired Loeung this year, they assigned her to the same section.
The New Star spokesman didn't comment on the Lim sisters' account.
When Loeung started work this year, she earned $30 a month for a probationary period. Now she and her sister Len each earn around $150 a month. They send half of it home to their family, which lives in a wooden hut on stilts in the countryside.
"I wanted to help my family," 14-year-old Loeung said of her decision to join the shoe factory. "Working in the factory is not like working at home," she said. At home, "we can go to sleep whenever we want."
At her glue post, she works in silence. "We cannot talk because we have to finish work," she said. The factory, she said, recently boosted her workweek to 80 hours from 70.
The New Star representative said workers are paid between one-and-a-half to three times their normal hourly wages for work beyond eight hours a day. (The higher rates kick in for Sunday or holiday overtime.)
Loeung and Len returned to their village for a joint interview with their parents. The Journal covered moderate expenses.
Their mother, Teum Heurn, a 46-year old rice farmer, said she is concerned for her daughters.
"I'm afraid they'll get sick. I'm afraid they'll get cheated by the factory. I worry about their safety. I'm afraid my children will go out at night and make bad friends. I worry about drug trafficking and violence," she said.
But ultimately, she said, she didn't feel that she had a choice because her family—she has nine children—is poor. The Lims have no toilet or electricity, which would cost $5 a month. Every three or four days the family goes to town to recharge a battery that runs a lamp. Charging the battery costs around fifty cents.
"I am grateful to the factory for hiring my daughters," Ms. Teum said.
During the 420-kilometer drive back to Sihanoukville, the two Lim sisters chatted about their dreams for the future. Len said she and her older sister, Lim Lorn, hope one day to work in a beauty salon. But "we're not able to do it now," she said, because training costs money that they haven't been able to save.
In the back seat, Loeung bragged that she was a better singer and eater than Len. She gobbled up four chocolate cookies and sang a favorite Cambodian love song, "Promise Before Sleeping," as the car bounced along a country road past villages and farms.
Len started feeling carsick. Loeung, sprinkled with chocolate crumbs, patted her head to comfort her. Eventually the two collapsed onto each other under a blanket.
The girls pay $25 a month to rent a tiny room along the dirt alleys near the factory where they work. They sleep next to each other on a wooden platform that occupies most of the windowless room.
Their clothes hang on a string against the wall. For entertainment they go to a nearby mobile-phone shop where factory workers gather to buy local music and Thai videos to watch on their phones for about 25 cents a pop.
The girls chose their complex because it is for women only. There is a group of older male construction workers living nearby. The Lim girls said they are afraid of the older men.
"I am afraid they have bad intentions," Len said. "We cannot see well when we leave work because it is nighttime."
Geox SpA of Italy, which also manufactures shoes at the factory, said it is stepping up its questioning of factories it uses since the Rana Plaza disaster.
Juan Carlos Venti, head of external relations at Geox's parent company, LIR Finanziaria, said that it recently decided to continue getting products from New Star even though a local Geox inspector had raised suspicions of underage workers with the factory. He said the decision came after New Star agreed to Geox's demand that it start participating in Better Factories Cambodia.
But speaking generally of some of the factories Geox looks at, Mr. Venti said: "It is increasingly difficult to get the right documents, not fakes. Some factories lie and we're scared by that because we don't want any problems."
—Sun Narin, Mayumi Negishi, Aries Poon, Christina Passariello, Patrick Barta and Gordon Fairclough contributed to this article.
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"2013 Woodie Awards Special" to Air on MTV and mtvU on Sunday, March 17 at 8 p.m. ET/PT
New York, NY – (March 7, 2013) – MTV's 24-hour college network, mtvU, announced today that twin sister indie pop sensations Tegan And Sara will co-host the "2013 mtvU Woodie Awards" with Cleveland rapper Machine Gun Kelly. Additionally, 2013 mtvU "Breaking Woodie" nominee twenty one pilots will join the "2013 mtvU Woodie Awards"line-up alongside previously announced Macklemore & Ryan Lewis in Austin, Texas on March 14 during the SXSW Music Festival. HAIM and Timeflies will take the stage during the "mtvU Woodie Awards Festival" leading into the "Woodie Awards" that evening, along with previously announced Festival artists include "Breaking Woodie" nominee Alt-J, Jake Bugg, and Jams Stage performers Trinidad Jame$, Travi$ Scott, and Joey Bada$$. MTV and mtvU will air a half-hour "2013 Woodie Awards Special" on Sunday, March 17 at 8:00 p.m. ET/PT. mtvU will announce additional performers at a later date.
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In the early sixties (Freewheelin') Dylan used the expression 'bare naked'; this obviously meant a bit more than just 'naked'. Maybe the more general use of 'bare' as an intensifier owes something to that.
(This may seem a bit far-fetched, but similar (ish) extensions of meaning take place regularly as a language develops. To cite one example from Vulgar Latin, it used the ablative mente (with a ... mind) to make an adverb regularly from an adjective, rather than operate the Classical Latin rule (not simple, applying differently to different declensions, with lots of exceptions). This worked fine with adjectives like placida: placida mente -> with a placid mind -> placidly. But the same trick - applying the suffix -mente to any adjective - has given most if not all Romance languages an adverb form ending with -ment(e)) - meaningful originally, but having become what linguists call 'a productive mechanism' in any verbal context, no matter how irrelevant to the original meaning).
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I kind of agree with June, it's too much like washing the forum's dirty linen in public, and as onerous and time-consuming a task as it must be at times, I still think the only solution is for you to continue to referee the board as you see fit, Charlie.
You're a reasonable person - more reasonable than most of the rest of us, certainly - so why not just apply a simple rule: no ad hominem attacks (or to maintain the sporting metaphor, play the ball not the wo/man). Any posts that you feel breach that rule should be edited by the poster to take the personal stuff out, or failing that they will be removed completely by yourself. Anybody who posts here does so as your guest, and therefore must respect your decision as to where the line is drawn.
Naturally, some discretion might be expected, eg little digs between two long-serving world music magazine journalists/editors could be seen as less serious than anything that might happen between two complete strangers. The onus, therefore, will be on us posters to think carefully about the way we frame our responses to each other and to try to exercise some restraint if a thread or poster is winding us up.
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There has been much by way of emailing between parties with reference to the controversial No Kill Movement, and in addressing the issues and conversation that ensued, I have received permission from Ms. West to copy and paste her response in one of her communiques. My own comments are made first and I agree wholeheartedly with Ms. West.
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Over population is definitely NOT and animal problem. It is in fact a HUMAN problem period! Every single day, in every single town, city and province countless kittens and puppies are born and cats and dogs are either turned into shelters, are found abandoned and dumped. Why, because educating the masses as well try to do, stressing the need for spay/neuter is being totally ignored by the ignorant, the money hungry and the irresponsible pet owners not only in Canada but elsewhere throughout the US and every country on the Globe. It is a HUMAN problem. We see it everyday, and we clean up the mess and horror left behind.
As far as the laws governing companion animals in this country, we all know how archaic and antiquated these laws are, yet each time a new Bill is brought before the House to improve the legislation and declassify animals as mere property, it is voted down by the current government in power. Further, shelter funding for the most part is not subsidized by provincial or federal funding and often depends solely upon donations. What municipally owned shelters there are, are dictated to by the municipal bureaucrats who dictate!!
Over burdened shelters, and especially No-Kill Shelters trying so desperately to find forever homes for those in need, unlicensed back yard breeders, the human failures of spaying and neutering companion animals, the total lack of responsible pet owners and the failure of municipal, provincial and federal government to properly address the issues of inadequate veterinary services in many areas across Canada, the Federal Legislation, the lack of very real animal protection By-Laws within our communities, municipalities and not having enough qualified, fully educated Animal Cruelty Investigators within each SPCA, town, city, municipality and province/territory is also part of the problem.
We need the powers of Seizure to save distressed animals held in the confines of ongoing neglect, disregard and failures to provide the necessities of life. Here in Canada, we need the powers that are given to SPCA's within the US. Here instead we must depend upon the local police forces for seizure and quite honestly folks they have enough on their hands and distressed and abused animals are the last of their concerns.
Major movements within this country and elsewhere, as Sarah has pointed out, must have one focus to be effective Any problem regarding animal welfare is NOT a single faceted one The No Kill Solution is taking the shelters to task. This is one of the problems we have with bad shelter management, lack of cooperation with rescues, not socializing dogs and the list goes on!
We have seen the scandals surrounding the OSPCA, my God my computer files are enormous on that particular issue alone. Then you take into account the Whistler case, that massive slaughter was unnecessary and fueled only by greed and a failure to effectively monitor such operations. The subsequent investigation into the slaughter was too little too late, and the outcome of the judgement issued by the Courts for this mass murder was merely a slap on the wrist.
WE must, support each other. WE must be united period. WE must not criticize or judge that which is being done by any one group or organization in their fight to end cruelty to animals in this country or anywhere else period. Dissention among the troops proves only to make the army very shaky and ineffective. While one has the right to disagree, and I will defend that right, we all have one common goal and purpose..to save animals. Since the Federal Government shows total disrespect and total disregard, often branding many of us as 'terrorists' if we speak out against the lack of very real Animal Protection, cutting off charitable status to organizations that openly oppose current ridiculous antiquated legislation and policies..we have only each other from which to draw strength and resources.
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Areas of Focus That must be Addressed Regarding Pet Overpopulation and Animal Cruelty
- Education and awareness both public the government courts police and the media ( Bonnie is working on this )
- Education and awareness both public the government courts police and the media that animals are sentient beings
- Education and awareness with regards to THE CAMBRIDGE DECLARATION ( that animals have the same consciousness as we do) yes we all know this but it's NOT public knowledge and certainly NOT known and recognized by the public courts government police and media
- Education and awareness via humane education in elementary schools ( I am working on getting certified as a humane educator ) for CFAWR
- Education and awareness with regards to the Animal Cruelty Syndrome ( for the public courts, government and media)
- Getting the TERM " Companion Animal" listed in our dictionaries and as working on getting the use of this TERM in precedence setting legal cases
- Debunking the myth that shelter ect are somehow inferior or broken
- The destruction of whose who run puppy mills and back yard breeder
- Education and awareness regarding the necessity and positives if spaying and neutering
- Creating ways to make spaying and neutering ( more accessible and affordable ) for the public Mobile vets and subsidised procedures by the veterinary profession for low income citizens
- Legislation that bans the sale of puppies and kitten from pet stores ( Canada wide)
- Acceptability of TNR programmes by municipalities ( Canada wide)
- Complete transparency and better shelter management by shelters and humane societies ( FOCUS for the NO KILL MOVEMENT) and Bill Bruce the Calgary Model Bonnie also working on this
- Animals removed as property from the Canadian criminal code and PROPER Animal welfare legislation brought into Canada ( CFAWR is trying to work on this tiny step by tiny step
- Creating and establishing relationships with those MP's trying to make changes to federal and provincial cruelty legislation ( Peggy Nash Mac Harb Mark Holland ect
- Contraception for cats and dogs Alliance for Contraception in Cats and Dogs
- Cohesiveness, elimination of back biting and power struggles inherent in many animal welfare rescuers and groups ( animal advocacy underground)
- Animal advocacy volunteer training/ support regarding education speaking with media, animal care and networking for animals in need
If we have groups and movements taking on any of these' issues of this multi-faceted program…. it is a good thing! No one group can do it all and we cannot criticize each other if any one of us feel that something is fundamentally wrong with a specific group then don't work with them Keep doing what you are doing, but I feel other than that we must work together as Bonnie says.
Think about this list above. This is a huge problem almost beyond comprehension but we can neither be " overwhelmed" or critical. All efforts are helping and the No Kill movement may be doing some things you don't like but the fact that Nathan Winograd has started this is a good thing. Many animals lives have been saved by his movement and that is a good thing regardless. I for one glad am he is on the ground fighting back with the No Kill Movement
All of us have to pick one focus and working on creating a dove- tail relationships with others who have a different mandate and focus! It is out of " combined" efforts that will and do make a difference for all the animals we care for so deeply.
We can't change other countries but we can all come together to do what we can for Canada and her animals and creatures, wild, marine, stray ,farm and companion.
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Panfried fish with fresh beetroot salsa
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- 1 seeded and chopped red chilli
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Put the diced cooked beetroot into a bowl. Add the chopped spring onions, seeded and chopped red chilli, chopped fresh mint, lemon juice and olive oil. Season and stir well.
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Sun, Pools and Cocktails
Well I'm back from my holiday. Relaxed, but sad, and with a bit of an upset tummy – something that happens to many in Bali. We set off Thursday afternoon, and as soon as we arrived we put our bags down and headed out. From then it was a few days of getting into the spirit of 'holidays', then came the relaxing part.
I didn't really do much over there in terms of sight-seeing or venturing out. We visited a couple of different villages (I'm not sure if that's the right term?) and most of the time was really spent drinking and eating. Nothing wrong with that right?
I took a few photos over this time, but really went nuts when we had a seafood extravaganza at Jimbaran Bay, and when Colin and I took a cooking class at Echo Beach.
Jimbaran Bay was awesome. A long stretch of beach filled with tables and chairs, all belonging to different restaurants. They are all pretty much the same - you start with a drink, then you can either go pick your seafood, or you can order a set menu. We got the set menu, which consisted of a crayfish, a local fresh fish, prawns, clams, squid and mussels, and some greens and potatoes, plus drinks.
We did the cooking course on our last day while up near Echo Beach. First we went through all the different types of spices and ingredients used in Indonesian cooking, then cooked up a feast and sat down and ate it! We received a booklet at the end with all the recipes, so I'm pretty keen to try a couple out here, especially the pancakes!
Half of the class was hands on, but with 16 people you didn't exactly get to do much. We did however get to fold up the steamed banana leaf dishes. Sorry for my back to the camera, it was either this or a photo with my eyes half open looking suspiciously drunk...
So along with the steamed banana things (right now I can't seem to remember the actual name!) and the amazing looking pork dish above, we made a traditional mee goreng and some side dishes.
The last of the dishes were two fresh salads and some pandan pancakes!
So all in all, a pretty good trip! Will most likely be back there again this time next year. Oh yeah, cos I forgot to mention, the reason we went there, besides to relax, was Colin's rugby team played in a competition, to which they won!


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PASADENA, Calif., Sept. 14 (UPI) -- NASA says researchers are struggling to identify and understand an image its long-lived rover Opportunity has returned of small spheres on the martian surface.
Spherical objects photographed at an outcrop Opportunity reached last week differ in several ways from iron-rich spherules -- nicknamed "blueberries" -- the rover found at its landing site in early 2004 and at many other locations since, NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., reported Friday.
Preliminary analysis suggests the spheres, as big as 1/8 inch in diameter, do not appear to have the high iron content of martian blueberries, researchers said.
"This is one of the most extraordinary pictures from the whole mission," Opportunity's principal investigator, Steve Squyres of Cornell University, said. "Of course, we immediately thought of the blueberries, but this is something different. We never have seen such a dense accumulation of spherules in a rock outcrop on Mars.
"They seem to be crunchy on the outside, and softer in the middle," he said. "They are different in concentration. They are different in structure. They are different in composition. They are different in distribution.
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I love the description in the ad, "priced to sell fast". In all honesty, I hope it sells for close to asking... only 679 miles!!!
BMW Z8 Base Convertible 2 Door | eBay
I love the description in the ad, "priced to sell fast". In all honesty, I hope it sells for close to asking... only 679 miles!!!
BMW Z8 Base Convertible 2 Door | eBay
Wow, can they really get that? Are our cars really appreciating that quickly? I hate to say this, but as a driver, and not a collector, but this is getting a little worrying, this is making our cars undriveable.
Andrew Macpherson
Expert Z8 Inspections, with full support for both Z8 sale and purchases.
This happens when the cars become so valuable they become too valuable. I don't know if the pricing is really there but its getting closer every time.
Too bad the last owner(s) didn't enjoy her more on the road, but a great opportunity for someone now to pick up a low milage Z8. I could see this car demanding that kind of money and getting it too!
My Best,
2002 Z8 Jet Black//Sport Red
2012 SLS AMG Obsidian Black/Classic Red
I don't know if it'll actually sell at that price. Personally think that that car is worth about 200-210. But hey there has to be some guy out there to brake the price barrier.
2003 Z8 Silver/Black AH62031 (Sold)
The problem with buying this car is that the buyer can never, ever drive it. If he/she does, then there will be nothing special about it. It's a 2002, not a 2003 and its a very common color, so nothing special there. I'm not even sure it has all the goodies. The value in this car is in the super low miles, so...
Oh, and I hope he gets every penny of that asking price. The interesting thing is that this is not that atypical of an asking price across the pond.
C.A. Cardenas (AKA Dan)
2003 Z8 (last one?) - Hellrot / Sport Rot Original Owner - Munich Tourist Delivery
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I love my Z8, but you guys are dreamers. Maybe 1000 mile or less cars have some cache, but once they hit the 20 - 25k mark, look at some of the listings in the mid to hi $90's that do not sell. Now by 2050 or so when BMW builds a limited edition 20000 of the homage Z80, then maybe prices will rocket, but until then there will probably start with some modest appreciation when the cars hit 25 years.
Ok, Jerry, time to blast me.
Charles Guerin
AH61406 - Titanium Silver/ /Black
I think you just said what we said?
Andrew Macpherson
Expert Z8 Inspections, with full support for both Z8 sale and purchases.
Charles, I sense some hostility- what gives?
If you want to backup your point with data points please present them. I don't see too many cars languishing in the 90s these days.
I can tell you top examples are bringing big dollars. The delta between the top examples and the more typical ones is probably going to get bigger. MBlitz is right too. This car is all about the low miles.
That being said, I turned down 200k last summer for my car and its a 2000 with 30k miles. And it was a real offer- and honestly my car isn't really a top car- its a driver with some light mods. And just recently a fellow Z8 friend with a 2003 and about 16k miles also turned down 200k.
Why? We didn't buy these purely for the money- we love the car. Granted, thats just 2 data points and Im not an expert nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. But I've been following these cars and it seems to me they are doing pretty well.
Heres one, I had a friend who bought a 2003 car- silver black with about 3k on the clock a few years ago for 130 and sold it last year for 180. Thats 3 data points- frankly his is more what I really think the market is. I really don't think my or even my other friend with the 2003 and 16k on the clock are 200k cars yet we turned away unsolicited offers. And if we really wanted to sell, this is probably the best we would see for quite some time.
In the last 18 months I have seen prices increasing in Europe with 10%. The last top price I heard of was the selling of one of the 105 european Alpina's for 240K euro. And this car had (repaired) collision damage !
1 of the 71 original Dutch sold cars (jetblack/red)
My brother just paid eqivalent 0f $180,000 for a black/red 2001 Z8 with 33000 miles on the clock and thought he had got a bargain, the same dealer Hexagon London has just sold a 2000 model silver/black with 12000 miles $240,000. On that basis the car seems good value and wouldnt surprise me if that car sells to the European market.
I know of an Alpina that is being offered privately hera in the UK with 3000 miles on the clock for $325,000 no takers yet but if I hear that it sells will update the forum
Have to report that in Europe prices are only going one way - up!!!!!!
Agree 100% with everything just said. With the global economy were in today even car prices are dictated globally. It's only a matter of time before we start seeing European prices here in the U.S.
2003 Z8 Silver/Black AH62031 (Sold)
And the fact that the differences between Euro and US Z8s are very minor. I ***think*** its just the speedo cluster and the radio frequencies. I think Andrew knows for sure.
And Barneyboybmw, remember, black/red is the most desirable color for the Z8!
As a side note, the guy who offered me the 200 shares the same detailer as I and he kept pestering the detailer about my car so the detailer asked if I'd speak with him and he was adamant he wanted to buy the car, and he has a lot of other cars so I think he can afford it. I said its not for sale and he said name your price and I said: $500k. That ended the discussion. Basically for that price its worth the trouble to me to sell it and find a new one.
Ditto! it is how the Z8 intended to be.....see the Z07And Barneyboybmw, remember, black/red is the most desirable color for the Z8!
1 of the 71 original Dutch sold cars (jetblack/red)
Was just looking on eBay, there also an 03 Z8 2 owner car 23K miles asking $168,800. Car is listed by Bentley Gold Coast.
2003 Z8 Silver/Black AH62031 (Sold)
Wow, this is pretty exciting news, it seems our cars are really taking off now. Maybe some of my own recent valuations have been too low based on these new figures. I'll be most interested to see the first US based Z8 break the 200 and the 250 barriers.
Rumor is that $300k was the top price paid for the first one sold from Beverly Hills BMW back in '00. It was whispered that it was a red car and went to Pete Sampras, who was high on his winning ways at the time, but I've never been able to substantiate that.
Andrew Macpherson
Expert Z8 Inspections, with full support for both Z8 sale and purchases.
When I travel to Switzerland and Germany, the car guys there seem to know the Z8 and its place in BMW's history while folks in the US are more apt to need some background information. With this interest in the Z8 at least in that continent, the increasing prices in the EU with the US following make sense to me.
The latest issue of Car and Driver had a write-up on the future of car collecting with respect to aging baby-boomers. From the author's perspective, the children of baby boomers are less interested in cars, so there will be a future glut of American vehicles driving down prices (i.e., supply greater than demand). Classic cars from the European manufactures, however, will continue to appreciate or at least be more stable in price because of European collectors.
My Best,
2002 Z8 Jet Black//Sport Red
2012 SLS AMG Obsidian Black/Classic Red
Interesting perspective, and one that makes absolute sense. Most young folks I know are more interested in their phones & tablets than their cars. Cars are appliances that are leased and traded, not objects of desire cared for with pride and affection. On top of that traffic is so congested, and policing so draconian that it's hard to have the same degree of motorized fun that we did as kids today. This is very much the subject of every classic event I attend, where the faces have all aged with me over the last twenty years, and there are almost no young'uns in attendance.
Andrew Macpherson
Expert Z8 Inspections, with full support for both Z8 sale and purchases.
From what Ive seen I don't think the love of cars has decreased by any means. Heres proof its alive, these were car shows run every Thursday night in the summer by a friend of mine at which the majority of people who attended were in the 15-30 years old category (obviously those under 18 were just there to watch). At them were all kinds of cars and all kinds of people all gathered together, exotics, muscle, euro, classics, tuners
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2003 Z8 Silver/Black AH62031 (Sold)
They had a deal with me and they sold the car right out from under me.
I realize any car deal is buyer beware and they are a car dealer, but if you can't trust they will close a deal, they are not worth the effort.
As to what happens to the future of collector cars. I think the market will be alive and well and probably bigger and stronger. And I used to be on the other side of this issue. I just think its easy to simplify things and the market is really made up of many different markets.
I think we should be worried about collector cars when luxury car sales tank in favor of pure point A-B transportation. What drives anything beyond pure and simple transportation are the associations we make to those brands etc. Last time I checked MB, BMW, Audi, Cadillac, Lexus, Infiniti, etc, are doing just fine.
Yes its true that todays youth is really into their gadgets; and yes, its also true that the economy is pretty stagnant. I also think- big leap of faith here- todays youth (globally) will be more prosperous than ever before. And when they grow up, they will want the various things people want and some of them will want collectible items such as artwork, and yes, cars. The favored brands might be different. But something tells me they won't be so different.
Heres a side note- my neighbor's son is 14 years old and he loves cars. He would literally move into my garage if I would let him. I think there still are kids who are into these things.
Cool stuff Kevin!
I am sure the next couple of generations of car lovers have been born. Look at this website (Exclusieve Auto?s | De Meeste Foto?s & Laatste Nieuws ? Autogespot) : these are pictures from mostly young guys who saved their money for a decent camera. But they like different cars....like my son says: give me the Z8 I sell it and I buy a Lamborghini. He is 32 now and I hope that in 10/15 years ...or so :-) he will enjoy the Z8.And when they grow up, they will want the various things people want and some of them will want collectible items such as artwork, and yes, cars.
1 of the 71 original Dutch sold cars (jetblack/red)
Our tastes certainly do change over time. I find a lot of it gets locked in during our adolescence and teen years. Which Lamborghini would he buy?
The only one that really holds my interest is the Miura.
I think he would buy a Gallardo now.
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In the UK we have seen a substantial increase in Classic car prices over the last year, for example Ferrari Daytona 2013 $400,000 today $625,000 EType Jag Series 1 Flat Floor $125,000/325,000, these are cars in excellent condition but not concours as for Aston Martin DB 4/5/6 and early Porsche 911 the skys the limit.
One of the reasons I think we have seen such a rise, is if you sell a car for a profit in the UK it is all tax free, if you had $250,000 on deposit lucky to get 1.5% and then pay tax on the interest.
No better reason than to invest in a Classic, there have also been a marked increase in provincal classic car auctions (nothing on the scale of yours in the USA) circa 150 cars a time selling 80% of stock, check out www.classic-auctions.com or www.historics.co.uk
Incidently my 14 year old son has alresdy told me the family E type is his car,my 11 year old daughter has already placed her claim on the Z8, the next son mid 20's has a 1966 mini cooper as his every day driver!! Long may there enthusiasum continue.
1 of the 71 original Dutch sold cars (jetblack/red)
Back to the article, the author felt that US muscle cars and hot rods were the ones at risk of future devaluation because of shrinking demand (e.g., 57 Chevy). The vehicles from European manufactures, such as those cited above would be a better investment because of a potential global market keeping demand high.
PS: I'd like to live in your garage for a day too Jerry
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I have a ford GT , same is happening, Prices going north of $250,000. Many cars going to overseas collectors! Z8 with similar production numbers. Prices being driven by collectors not drivers, hence high price for low milage examples. Old Ferraris hitting the stratosphere!! (sold all mine, maybe too soon!). Unfortunately they were getting too valuable to drive. Fear the same for Gt and Z8. Maybe the solution is to buy a high milage second car at a good price to drive!!
Yes. People now days don't want to experience depreciation. The people buying a Z8 or a FGT or a Porsche CGT are not just looking for a great driving car, high up on the list is a desire to avoid depreciation and if possible experience financial appreciation. More so, with ever increasing ability not he part of these cars, traffic density and enforcement, I think its entirely understandable.
I saw an episode of Chasing Classic Cars where the person was selling a vintage Ferrari and it just looked like the car became so much more valuable than even his house. Of course he never said that but it seems to me that was the main reason for his selling. I think he mad the correct financial decision but it was a little bit heartbreaking.
Well I guess the good thing is that we're enjoying an appreciating asset. It certainly gives pause for concern though, as I never thought their value would go stratospheric. It really underlines our role as caretakers for the next owners. The only thing that saddens me is the idea that someone would return my car to stock when it drives so much better the way it is. I guess the next owner will likely never drive it with the gusto to realize if he's paying half a mil for it, or whatever it'll be worth then.
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I don't like thinking I am a caretaker for the next owner- unless thats my children- because its MY car. But I can understand how you see it like that. To me, I look at owning the Z8 as owning an important part of automotive history and as someone who enjoys cars, and collecting cars. But its my car so if I want to put a massive supercharger on it, I will!
As to returning it to stock, I think if you were going to market the car for sale thats certainly one way to do it, but I think all the mods we've done, with the exception of the PP, are easily reversible so I would market the car as it is: a driver thats been driven, often hard; but never abused. There are plenty of people out there who want a nice driver. I think unless the car is really pristine with under 8k miles the top of the market will not be something you can target anyway.
I've often thought about buying a collector Z8 and then sending my current one to Dinan for some more power.
I guess my opinion is: don't over think it- just enjoy.
And I think the rising tide in Z8 values will lift all boats except perhaps cars that have been really trashed.
This car has sold!
No word on the selling price, but it looks like there's a very good chance this is the first Z8 to break into the 200's since back in the heady days of the turn of the millennium.
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This campground is neat and rules are strict but provide for a comfortable stay for those of us who don't like to party late night. Bathrooms are so clean and conveniently located. Store sells anything you might have forgotten. And the island is just a fun summer tradition - camping makes it so much more affordable at the height of the season. Keep your food sealed tight because the skunks use this campground as much as humans do.
Great place! Open year round and has a very calm and quiet environment. I've lived here full time for a few years.
This was a very nice campground. Our particular site was a little on the small side, without much greenery to separate from the other sites but the weather was horrible so we spent most of our time inside playing games anyway. The restrooms and showers were very clean! The people who run this spot are nothing but friendly and helpful. There was a short but very nice nature trail within the grounds. There are also full hookups for those with RVs. The tent sites looked very nice and more private, but not sure about hookups in those spots.
There are many things to do close by- a lot of bay side beaches, coffee shops and a wonderful bike trail. Nickerson is right down the street as well which opens up a lot of recreation options.
Would totally recommend and would stay here again.
Beautiful campground, plenty of sites, crystal clear ponds for swimming and kyacking! Excellent bike trails! Friendly staff! Can't believe this is cape cod I felt like I was in the woods can't wait to visit again!
Stayed here visiting Cape Cod and Boston.
Great campsite. I used to come here all the time when I was a kid and was so excited when it opened back up. We were located in the no electric no water area and even though every site was taken, it was surprisingly more private than you'd expect. The comfort stations (indoor bathroom and shower and outdoor sink area) were clean and well maintained and close to all the sites. The sites had both a firepit with a flip grill as well as an upright grill. Both were clean and ready to use when we arrived. The boys had a blast swimming and kayaking at the pond and there was another comfort station right at the water. Leashed pets are welcome and we brought our pup for his first camping experience and he loved it too.
Campground review: Camping at Boston Harbor Islands requires some planning, but you get the benefit of a remote island with minimal company. Unless you book one of the 12 yurts on Peddocks island, the camping is rustic; you'll need to bring everything, including water. Reservations open 6 months in advance and sites fill quickly, so plan ahead if you're counting on a particulate day. I only visited the campsites on Peddocks Island, so I can't speak to the ones on Lovell, Grape, and Bumpkin.
Getting there: Unless you have your own boat(check regulations on the website; you'll need to anchor offshore overnight), you'll want to catch a ride on the ferries to the Boston Harbor Islands. Figuring out the schedule is the trickiest part, not least because they don't make the inter-island ferry schedule as readily accessible. Here's the scoop:
- Check the ferry schedule. Figure out which departure makes the most sense for you. You may choose to leave from Long Wharf, near the Aquarium T stop on the Blue line, or from Hingham, with overnight parking available. For Bumpkin and Grape Islands, you'll want to leave from Hingham; Peddocks and Lovells are available from either departure point
- Buy your ticket online in advance. Some town libraries have passes offering 2-for-1 ferry rides, so if you're a MA resident in the greater Boston area, it's worth checking that out first. Otherwise, you'll be looking at an extra$20 for the ferry, but that fee covers your round trip as well as the use of the interisland ferries so you can explore other islands. If you're traveling as a family, look at the family pack for another discount. You can show the ticket on your phone when you board.
- Pack as lightly as possible and plan to carry or wheel it to your site. If you have a folding wagon, you may appreciate having it to carry items on and off the ferry and to your site on the island. There may or may not be carts available on the island. Peddocks has running water available, but otherwise you'll need to bring gallon of water/person. If you want to grill, bring your own charcoal; otherwise bring a stove or bring food that doesn't need to be cooked. You may scavenge wood to build fires below the high tide line only. No alcohol and no pets.
The yurts on Peddocks are great, providing shelter from the elements, bunks with mattresses, electricity, a ceiling fan, table with benches, and a grill. There are 6 yurts up a small hill, with a composting toilet and water from a tap nearby. The 6 tent sites are also in this area. An additional 6 yurt sites are below the hill and in the woods, so it's a slightly longer walk to the toilet. at the top of another hill there is an open, grassy area, also with a composting toilet, that provides group campsited.
While you're out on the islands, take time to explore one of the others…look for sea glass on Spectacle Island and climb the hill for a view of the Boston skyline, explore the old forts and visitors centers, earn a Junior Ranger badge from the National Park Service, fly a kite, or go for a swim or kayak. In mid-August we collected handfuls of blackberries as we explored Peddocks.
Ranger Product Review: Banner& Oak Traveler Shirt
As a Ranger with the Dyrt, I sometimes get to test items; in this case I ordered the Banner& Oak Traveler long-sleeve t-shirt in indigo. It's long sleeved and super soft, but the first time I went to put it on, I realized the Banner& Oak tag along the hemline was sewn through both the front and back, so I couldn't put t on until I removed the tag. I didn't have scissors with me, so it was tough to get it off and ultimately I ended up with a hole in both the front and back. I've worn this on strolls through the woods when the weather was nice, but cool and on the foggy morning ferry ride to the island. The sleeves are not constricting and when I pushed them up to my elbows, they stayed in place while I hiked. I will say that it is a unisex t-shirt and the sleeves and body of the shirt tend to run long. I like that, but if you're petite, it may be annoying.
Mostly seasonal but transient sites recently renovated. Private beach and close to many other areas. Office staff nice and helpful.
This is one of the few places where you can sleep on the beach! It's a great place. The water is on the cold side but it's worth it. Beach camping is a very special thing
I fully recommend this camp ground. It can be pricy but it's worth the price
Stayed in Section 2 on M Rd which has the the electrical hook ups. M road is nice because you're backed up to the woods on the odd numbered side. These sites are also spaced fairly well far apart and private, some more than others - on M13 which stayed, it was at least 50ft on either side. There are no water hook ups but plenty of water spigots every several sites so easy enough to fill up water jugs.
Drawbacks of M13 in particular is that it was probably the most slopped on the rd but still pretty minimal. We also found a lot of trash on the site - we poked around other sites on the rd as people came/went and they didn't seem to have this problem. Seems like we may have just caught M13 at an unlucky time ( we did pick up a lot of the trash around the site that others left behind to help clean it up and makes us not feel we were sitting among trash)
Firewood was $5/bundle so pretty reasonable. I didn't personally use the bathrooms but other said they seemed new.
Because of the trash issue I would have given 4.5 but so we value private, spaced out sites I leaned on the 5 star side.
We were lucky to find a spot open in Nickerson State Park in mid August. We were pleasantly surprised with the privacy of our camp spot and how easy it was to get everywhere. There is plenty of great biking in the park and all around the Cape Cod area (rail trail!). The camp store was great for some last minute things we forgot, and there are easily accessible showers and restrooms with hot water (and very clean!). All in all, we had a fun time and it didn't seem super crowded even though the park was booked solid.
We spent one night here in our RV and rode bikes into Provincetown. This campground is pretty tight if you have a big rig, but our 24ft was just fine. It's a big hill with a tight squeeze to enter the campground, but overall our stay was enjoyable. If you're looking to camp at the end of the cape, this is your spot. Make reservations well in advance!
The staff are very friendly and the campground is clean. The just remodeled one of two playgrounds in the camp. There is a lot to do for kids including a pool, jumping pillow, miniature golf and a train ride. There a lot of popular events such as an ice cream social and tie dying. Most weekends have themes. The only issue I have are some of the campers. They were filthy and rude. After the Friday night movie they left all their trash on the ground. The kids were riding their bikes on the bathroom handicap ramp. The kids were screaming at the pool and all over. One got hurt at the pool and an adult with the group told them no more horsing around even though he was the one who started it. It's right off a major highway so you have noise including sirens. There are many places to visit around the area if you enjoy "doing the tourist thing". Some tent sites are on the smaller side but most are good size. I'll be honest, I only go to KOA for my son but I find this is one of the better ones. We were in T9 and T8 but we have also camped in T17 ( my favorite).
Nice and clean campground with friendly staff. There are Plenty of activities offered like miniature golf, basketball, horseshoes, a game room, and more.
Girls camping weekend was perfect at this gorgeous site. Walk to the beach. Trash pick up. Clean bathrooms and showers, don't forget to bring quarters for the shower.
Highly recommended
Beautiful woodsy campground and a very short drive up the coast to the beach. We only got to spend one night here, but we were so pleased with the privacy and size of the sites. There is a very nice trail system in the park as well. Would return!
Pros - the campground is lovely to drive through and the sites are fairly nicely design with some privacy between sites (some sites have more some have less). It's also nice to have access to the multitude of hiking trails and ponds.
Cons - the works. We stayed around Charge Pond on a Friday and Saturday night, and even though the park has clearly stated quiet hours of 10 pm to 7 am (which includes generators), it was one of the loudest camps I've ever been to. Several camp neighbors in our loop were up well past 1am loud as hell - talking loudly, screaming and yelling - even their kids! And one site had their trailer generator running all night - there was absolutely no patrol of this campground at all, which is unacceptable on weekends in my opinion. This place attracts some really awful people - there were several spots of vomit in the road Saturday morning, and on Sunday morning a neighbor could be heard at 6 am puking his guts out in surround-sound. That plus the general noisiness, disrespect of other campers, and lack of patrol would keep me away alone, but the state of the facilities topped it off. The women's room in Charge Pond loop A was filthy - it wasn't super outdated, but just not clean at all. Every surface was absolutely disgusting, they had a 5-gallon plastic bucket to serve as the bathroom trash, and the entire place smelled like urine. To top it off, when using it Sunday morning every single stall was out of toilet paper, and the whole place had very clearly had not been cleaned since Friday night. I know campground bathrooms are usually not the best, but this was definitely one of the worst - I've used vault toilets that were cleaner!
I will never stay here again.
Two words: Plan ahead.
Nickerson is popular for many good reasons. The facilities are clean and well maintained. The amenities are wonderful, and the accessibility to all of the Cape's gem-like offerings make this the best way to get your Cape fix on a budget.
Lots of nice locals in this park. We are staying here for two weeks. The sites are a little tight to maneuver if you have a large rig. They have a nice pool and playground area for the kids. The staff are friendly and ready to help. Site has FHU, 50 amp.
Great location, more enjoyable in the off season in my opinion
We had a great time relaxing at the camp site it was quite and we had beautiful weather
We wanted to explore the Cape and are members of the KOA rewards program so we chose here to stay. The staff were very nice and helpful. They had a big store and plenty of supplies and souvenirs, from sweatshirts to stickers. We then followed the map to get to our site. As we pulled around the office we saw all kinds of activities for kids. Bouncy "pillow", pool, bounce pad, sluice, miniature golf, and a playground. All the sites we saw had trees for shade. It was a very busy place but everyone seemed happy to be there. As the weekend went on we drove thru the whole campground just to check out the rest. They had many cabins, 2 dumps sites for campers, another huge playground. If I'm ever back in the area I will stay here again!
I like this campground because it is close to home. There isn't much to do here within the campground. It has two areas. The one nearer the camp entrance is smaller than the second. The second one has a playground while the first one does not. I would not recommend the first area if you have small children for this reason. The playground is being revamped and looks awesome so far. Unfortunately the bathroom right next to it is closed while the playground is being updated. It is very hilly but many people enjoy riding their bikes here. When driving, be careful of them. I've hiked the trails and you have to be careful. They aren't always well maintained or marked. They are right next to the main highway so you get car noise and can usually see them as well. I find them to be uninteresting. There is no swimming on site either. On the positive side, the campground is within driving distance of great fishing, biking and tourist areas.
Friendly staff, clean bathroom, beautiful State Park to explore!
The staff is super friendly and very helpful. Nice new pool and kiddie pool. Events for the kids as well as adults. Clean campground with updated bathrooms.
This place is pretty awesome if you're looking to see a show at the nearby Comcast center. It's cheap, quiet, and affordable and very close (maybe ten mins or less to the venue) I've been staying here for years and love it!
We were on site B17 and it was perfect. Complete 360 privacy, well wooded, and just what was needed. Listen to the sounds of frogs at night was kinda awesome. Few little things that take it from 5 to 4 star…dumpsters were always full, no separate recycling, roads weren't clearly marked, bathrooms mostly clean but missing TP at times. Close drive to a beautiful beach and other area beach activities. Overall, would go again while in Cape Cod.
I haven't been tent camping in years but this past weekend I stayed while attending the Levitate festival. I was very comfortable, the bathhouses were clean. Can't wait to go back!
Not too pricey and clean With lots of activities for the family.
DO NOT GO TO Cape Cod Campresort& Cabins in East Falmouth. Insanely ridiculous rules!!! Annoying staff, specifically the older ones. I felt like I was in daycare. If you like hanging out, talking late at nigt, then don't come to this place. I was told by one of the staff"no electronics after 9pm". I understand if say someone is listening to music loudly, then yes definitely ask them to turn it off. We had a 17inch tv screen, low volume, I could barely hear the tv. So I guess they just like to be annoying. They have the staff drive around all they long to harass us. For 4 nights we got harrassed, but one night that I was in bed at 11pm, they allowed an RV to check in. I was trying to sleep and people were talking outside as they were setting up camp. So I realized the rules only apply when they see fit. Sunday 4pm was asked to lower the volume of the tv, same 17inch tv. And I know for a fact that NOBODY complained, because we knew everyone around us, even the ones on the sites behind us. Front desk was rude, the first day I thought she was having a bad day, but the second I went there to buy ice and felt like I couldn't ask a question because I was bothering here. I dont know if it's a racism thing or they are just rude in general. Also, they need to hire a real life guard so the kids who are accompanied by their parents at ALL times, can use floaties. I understand letting a kid with a floatie while the parent is sun bathing or chatting with friends. But that wasn't my case. Lake area for bathing is too small. Dog park had a hole on the fence, my dog almost got out. Pool needs cleaning. One playground, not many options. Small laundry. Old arcade, needs upgrades. So, my advice is, GO TO Normandy in Foxborough. They have rules but they are reasonable and not racists.


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