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The South Georgia Pipit is recovering on the northern side of South Georgia following rat eradication. A few years ago the birds were restricted to a few rat-free areas, mainly on offshore islands and islets. Now the Pipit is recolonizing rat-free areas very quickly. On Salisbury Plain for example, a few South Georgia Pipits were singing in December 2014 after decades of absence, and in December 2015 they were all over it. Fabrice Schmitt was there and shares this great recording of the birds in their soundscape.
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.... yes. We've adopted a handful more Grasshoppers. Sign of more fundamental changes to come at some point in the hopefully not too distant future.
.... massive numbers of recordings coming in these days. Great! With major contributions by Stanislas Wroza (France) and James Lidster (various places). Also a steady trickle from Australia by Marc Anderson, always useful to calibrate your feeling of what constitutes an "A" quality recording.. Thanks for sharing everyone! Keep recording!
... the incredible Todd Mark adds three species new to XC: Black-capped Catbird, Streaked Bowerbird & Dwarf Cassowary. All from Papua New-Guinea. Thanks for sharing, Todd!!
Thanks for the shoutout. Just uploaded the Rossel Cicadabird, a good candidate for species-level elevation. Quite a different song. Seems like the male song of the Australian, New Guinea, and Solomon Island pops have the same quality. It appears there are at least 3 more male song types: those of Halmahera/Sulawesi, Biak/Numfor, and PNG incertum. Also, Australia appears to have two. Still no male song for New Britain/New Ireland and Timor. Interesting group of great speciator.
....... I seem to remember you had a picture of the bower of Streaked Bowerbird? if so, we could make a nice spotlight. Drop us a line.
Kudos to Todd. I accompanied him several times and it was a treat to watch him in action.
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On the 20th of March Baudewijn Odé will be presenting a talk on "Grasshopper sounds on Xeno-canto" at this conference in Leiden, the Netherlands. Check it out. We'll keep you posted on progress in that area and report back on Baudewijns talk & vision :-)
It would be interesting to hear about Baudewijn views regarding the ultrasound components of grasshopper sounds versus XC's present mp3 only policy.
.... clearly this also involves serving .wav one way or another :-)
That's good news! High time for me to grab my field guide + CD and familiarize myself with these beautiful little creatures ...
Using high sample frequency .wav files is one solution, but time expansion is an alternative that allows XC to keep using .mp3 and still retain ultrasound components.
.. indeed. Apparently the grasshopper commuity also have different ideas on sonograms/spectrograms.
I still don't know how to go about uploading these grasshopper sounds... Also, are any North American species currently listed?
hi Daniel, check out https://www.xeno-canto.org/explore/taxonomy?o=ORTHOPTERIFORMES for the species currently listed. Just a handful. Uploading: just as you would upload any other recording..
Okay, so the reason I couldn't find Orthoptera is because you have it listed under Orthopteriformes. Might it not be better to list the actual name of the taxon rather than having it conform to taxonomic conventions for bird orders?
You found it :-) Short answer: yes. Daniel, these poor animals had no home here, we've made a temporary shelter for a bunch of them.
Well, it's a start! :)
On a related subject, is it possible to upload bat sounds to XC? Is there a list of non-bird species we are allowed to upload?
hi Marie-Lan, well, there is only the list of grasshoppers now.However, you can upload them as a soundscape, and fill out the species present as background species. However: .mp3 and bats are usually not a good mix, but perhaps some species use frequencies low enough to be transferred at 320kbps.
Bat calls are divided into echolocation calls and social calls. Almost all echolocation calls are beyond human hearing, while a good number of bat species produce social calls that are well within what humans can hear and an .mp3 can represent.
XC523324 is low and clear even though it's at 128kbps only.
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Last weekend (14-16 August), DiS made its now traditional annual visit to Leicester's Summer Sundae Weekender, curated the Rising Stage on the Friday and even had founder Sean Adams and former editor Mike Diver spin a few tunes along the way (anyone else notice that the intros from Refused's 'New Noise' and Earl Brutus' 'Navyhead' are pretty much the same? No, OK then...).
With possibly the most eclectic line-up on the British Isles bar Latitude and a family friendly atmosphere to match, Summer Sundae Weekender has firmly established itself as possibly the UK's leading festival of its size, combining four music stages with spoken word, poetry and comedy tents aplenty, not to mention a tinnitus awareness marquee too! Oh, and did we mention the glorious sunshine that engulfed us for three days solid. Who says its grim in the midlands? Not us, that's for sure...
Among many, many highlights, DiS has selected a handful of artists both old and new that set our pulses racing round the grounds of De Montfort and back to the Asian Grub Foundation for a late night curry or three...
At precisely 3:29pm on Sunday afternoon, Monotonix were just another of those bands loved by beardy elitists with no ear for a tune. Fast forward a full five minutes and word is already spreading like wildfire that their performance on the indoor stage is THE place to be this weekend. Stripped down to little more than a pair of underpants each bar fully clothed guitarist Yonatan Gat, the Tel Aviv based trio conspire to turn their allocated half hour slot into a 65-minute showcase of shambolic mayhem and destruction. Drumkits are moved around the dancefloor with random abandon, culminating in a raucous procession not too dissimilar to the Pied Piper of Hamlin except leading the way is a sweaty lank-haired pantwearing beast called Ami Shalev. One minute he's on the bass drum being held aloft by half-a-dozen punters, the next he's standing on the barrier of the balcony, a good twenty feet or so above ground level. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to guess what happens next. In fact, there were so many uncoordinated, spontaneous moments of abject silliness and showmanship within Monotonix set that most bands wouldn't have the imagination to even watch let alone incorporate into their live set. Nevertheless, my everlasting memory will be the sight of eighteen security guards (we counted 'em) and a bemused Micachu & The Shapes looking nonplussed on the stage as all hell breaks out around them wondering how Monotonix are going to be removed in time for them to start their set. You really did have to be there.
Video:Monotonix (live at Summer Sundae 2009)
Wild Beasts
Undoubtedly the musical highlight of this weekend's festivities belonged to Leeds current finest foursome Wild Beasts. Their step up into major league territories for 2010 already pretty much assured courtesy of (possibly) this year's finest album Two Dancers, their live show has also developed into a more accomplished beast along the way. While the set is expectedly heavy with their more recent material, sparkling versions of 'The Devil's Crayon' and 'Brave Buoyant Bulging Clairvoyants' even made this first album cynic dig out his dusty, rarely played copy of Limbo Panto upon returning home Monday morning. Nevertheless, if 'We Still Got The Taste Dancing On Our Tongues' isn't a top five single by the time Big Ben chimes out 2009, I'm a one-legged Chinaman. Simply phenomenal.
My Latest Novel
Its almost inevitable that we're here in festival territories talking about the undeniable impact of a band from Glasgow, but that's exactly how essential My Latest Novel's set proved to be. With the sun beating down on Friday afternoon and Kid British making Katy Perry songs sound even worse than the originals, it was left to this Greenock five-piece to unleash the first mesmerising performance of the day, and they succeeded to great effect. Although recent album Deaths And Entrances may have divided opinion somewhat in its recorded form, here the likes of 'I Declare A Ceasefire' and 'Hopelessly Endlessly' made perfect sense, even drawing a rare smile from both Deveney brothers at the end, no doubt taken aback by the overly enthusiastic reaction afforded their way.
The Domino State
Playing the Rising Stage in the early part of Saturday afternoon, London five-piece The Domino State serve as musical guinea pigs for a soundman still obviously under the influence of one too many free Bulmers from the night before. However, despite the first part of their set being hampered by technical problems, everything comes together by the time current 45 'Firefly' (think Verve with wings or Snow Patrol with balls) literally tears the roof off the tent, while the closing reverbfest that is 'Safe Now' hammers home just what an underrated outfit The Domino State are, recalling the likes of Echo & The Bunnymen, Ride and Catherine Wheel in equal measure.
Bon Iver
If there was one artist playing this weekend that was on everybody's "Must See" list it would have to be Wisconsin born Justin Vernon, not least because his appearances on foreign soils are becoming increasingly sporadic over time. While his For Emma, Forever Ago opus may have been recorded over two years ago, the sea of bodies waiting at the main stage pretty much engulfs the entire site suggests his imminent arrival to be the most anticipated of the weekend, and when he finally appears along with the three members of his band, the deafening cheers can probably be heard in Loughborough. Although the more experimental Blood Bank material suggests Bon Iver are a little less predictable than say fellow alt-folkers like Fleet Foxes, its unsurprisingly the For Emma... material such as 'Re:Stacks' and 'The Wolves' that receive the warmest receptions.
With an average age of eighteen and a drummer still awaiting his GCSE results, Frontiers handle their twenty-five minutes in the spotlight of the main stage with the poise of veterans. With a guitar sound that is starkly reminiscent of Seventeen Seconds era Cure or a less poppified Psychedelic Furs, this teenage quartet take the first flurries of post-punk to a new audience impeccably. 'Alibi', with its chiming guitars and insatiable chorus, and the closing 'In Pursuit' in particular highlight their potential. Watch this space.
Having experienced the calamitous high of Monotonix earlier in the day, it seems only appropriate that the chilled out musings of Faroe Islands native Teitur Lassen provide the Sunday teatime soundtrack. Cracking jokes in broken English in between songs, his shy stage presence proves somewhat alluring, and even when the heartbreak songs such as 'Josephine' and 'Don't Let Me Fall In Love With You' come to the fore, there's a perversely overwhelming feeling of joviality around the tiny Musician Stage tent. Glorious.
Her Name Is Calla
The last time DiS set eyes on Her Name Is Calla, we were transfixed by their attention to detail that didn't merely strive for perfection, but demanded a word in Mr Collins ear regarding a re-alignment of the word itself in dictionary terms. Now expanded to a six-piece, HNIC are nothing short of astounding throughout their four-song set. Singer/guitarist Tom Morris, having overcome serious illness this past year seems to have gained a new lease of life, tearing into 'New England' like some possessed spirit while the addition of accordion player Sophie Barnes and violinist Sophie Green turns their already discordant pieces into dramatic bursts of organic noise fit for a Tony Kushner screenplay.
As the local lads done good, Minnaars manage to create a flurry of excitement that for thirty minutes on Saturday afternoon, turns Victoria Park into one sun-drenched dancefloor. Their poly-rhythmic, post-punk skits declare an infectious supply of love for the defunct-but-not-forgotten likes of Q And Not U or Washington's Dismemberment Plan, except seen through the eyes of five clubs-for-guitars geeks from Leicester. Set centre piece 'Are Lovers' stands out like a beacon of delight amidst the sinewy sweat and beers. Just don't mention the "F" word.
The Airborne Toxic Event
Although the jury is still out on Silver Lake quintet The Airborne Toxic Event, as far as their recorded output is concerned at least, their accomplished live spectacle holds no such worries. While last month's Latitude performance may have seemed muted in places, here, in an indoor venue at 8pm on a Saturday evening, TATE happily engage in what they do best, providing forty-five minutes worth of entertaining left-field pop that may owe as much to Bruce Springsteen as it does The National, but for the most part never fails to lose sight or indeed pace from start to finish. Sure, there are still reservations that they don't have anything in their armoury to match mid-set showstopper 'Sometime Around Midnight', but its still early days yet, and if their second album can live up to the promise of their live shows, a great record is in prospect.
The Charlatans
Having been the subjects of much derision for the past two decades, I can now, wholeheartedly reveal that The Charlatans are in actual fact one of the most underrated live acts around. There, I've said it, and while that may seem as an open invitation for said derision to be aimed in the direction of yours truly instead, consider this: How many of your favourite indier-than-thou artists can boast a back catalogue containing the likes of 'The Only One I Know', 'One To Another', 'How High', 'Weirdo' and 'Sproston Green'? Exactly, and we haven't even got on to the likes of 'North Country Boy' or 'Just When You're Thinking Things Over', both delivered with impeccable panache and grace here that see every single word sung back at Tim Burgess by a throng of 5000+. We also think it appropriate to mention that the ever youthful looking frontman to could pass uncannily as the sixth member of The Horrors, were they ever looking to increase their numbers.
Of course there were many other fine performances we really should mention before signing off. Idlewild's last minute elevation to Friday night headline status in place of swine flu stricken Mike Skinner proved to be something of a revelation, likewise The Joy Formidable's mid-afternoon performance on Saturday. Elsewhere, Broken Records managed to conjure up an almighty storm that at least justified some of the hype cast in their direction (even if their recorded output to date hasn't so far) while The Yellow Moon Band's instrumental jollifications may have been neither post-rock nor math-dance but were quaintly enjoyable all the same. Here's to next year...


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Not only is the Chesapeake Bay so enormous it can be seen from space, it essentially came from outer space.
An asteroid or huge chunk of ice slammed into Earth about 35 million years ago, splashing into the North Atlantic Sea, sending tsunamis as far as the Blue Ridge Mountains and leaving a 56-mile-wide hole at the mouth of what is now the bay.
But a newly published research paper written by U.S. Geological Survey scientists shows that wasn't the end of it. While drilling holes in southern Virginia to study the impact crater, the scientists discovered "the oldest large body of ancient seawater in the world," a survivor of that long gone sea, resting about a half-mile underground near the bay, according to the USGS.
"What we essentially discovered was trapped water that's twice the salinity of [modern] seawater," said Ward Sanford, a USGS hydrologist. "In our attempt to find out the origin, we found it was early cetaceous seawater. It's really water that's from the North Atlantic."
The findings showing that the water is probably between 100 million and 150 million years old were published Thursday in the journal Nature.
The Chesapeake Bay Impact Crater was discovered in 1999 by a tandem of USGS and Virginia Department of Environmental Quality scientists.
They theorized that a huge rock or chunk of ice slammed into an ancient ocean, sending enormous pieces of debris skyward and forcing monster tsunamis hundreds of miles inland.
Over centuries, the crater became hidden under 400 to 1,200 feet of sand, silt and clay, hampering its discovery for decades.
"It's the largest crater discovered so far in the United States, and it's one of only a few oceanic impact craters that have been documented worldwide," USGS hydrologist David Powars said at the time.
The bay crater is shallower and smaller than another off the coast of Mexico, which most scientists believe caused the extinction of dinosaurs, Powars said.
Five years after the Chesapeake crater's discovery, Sanford's USGS team started drilling at Cape Charles, Va., under a $1.5 million grant from the International Continental Drilling Program to study how the earth's crust absorbed the blow. "We weren't looking for ancient seawater," he said.
As the team drilled a half-mile from the surface, it encountered standing water. They first thought it was salty water that occasionally shows up at coastal drill sites. Saltwater is found underground all over the world all the time, often because of huge salt deposits in the ground.
In this case, "we didn't hit any salt while drilling" at the Cape Charles site, a mile from the bay, Sanford said.
So researchers considered the possibility of boiling, when a meteor impact is so forceful that it heats water and increases its salinity. But after further tests, the boiling theory also didn't make sense.
Results from more testing showed the water was twice as salty as today's ocean water. When they analyzed its chemistry, they found high levels of chloride and bromide, the fingerprint of seawater from another time, Sanford said.
More tests and digging through research established that the chemistry was consistent with the "vast halite deposits created during the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods in the Gulf of Mexico and South Atlantic Basins," the research paper said.
In other words, the groundwater at Cape Charles, about 220 miles south of the District of Columbia, had the same salinity as the long-gone North Atlantic sea. When the meteor or whatever it was struck North America and disfigured the landscape, "the ancient seawater was preserved like a prehistoric fly in amber," the USGS said in a statement.
"This was a surprising site discovery," Sanford said. "This was not something we were looking for or even expected."
It wasn't the first time teams drilling for oil or geologic studies have come across deep groundwater with strangely high salinity, said Jerad Bales, acting USGS associate director for water.
Bales said numerous theories had previously been offered to help explain those findings. "But, up to this point, no one thought that this was North Atlantic Ocean water that had essentially been in place for about 100 million years," Bales said.
The USGS said the discovery would help scientists to better understand the hydrology of the area, at the very least.
Fourteen years ago, when the crater itself was found, Bales made a prescient statement. He said the discovery would help explain a few strange features in the region, including earthquakes around the crater's perimeter, a higher rate of sea-level rise around Norfolk, Va. and "salty groundwater."


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Felton J. Earls, Harvard Medical School; Jeanne Brooks-Gunn, Scientific Director. Columbia University. Teacher's College. Center for the Study of Children and Families; Stephen W. Raudenbush, Scientific Director. University of Michigan. School of Education, and Survey Research Center; Robert J. Sampson, Scientific Director. Harvard University. Department of Sociology
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The Project on Human Development in Chicago Neighborhoods (PHDCN) was a large-scale, interdisciplinary study of how families, schools, and neighborhoods affect child and adolescent development. One component of the PHDCN was the Longitudinal Cohort Study, which was a series of coordinated longitudinal studies that followed over 6,000 randomly selected children, adolescents, and young adults, and their primary caregivers over time to examine the changing circumstances of their lives, as well as the personal characteristics, that might lead them toward or away from a variety of antisocial behaviors. Numerous measures were administered to respondents to gauge various aspects of human development, including individual differences, as well as family, peer, and school influences. One such measure was the Children and First Pregnancy instrument. It was administered to subjects in Cohorts 15 and 18 and collected information related to the number of children the subject had, as well as information regarding the subject's first pregnancy.
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The Project on Human Development in Chicago Neighborhoods (PHDCN) was a large-scale, interdisciplinary study of how families, schools, and neighborhoods affect child and adolescent development. It was designed to advance the understanding of the developmental pathways of both positive and negative human social behaviors. In particular, the project examined the causes and pathways of juvenile delinquency, adult crime, substance abuse, and violence. At the same time, the project provided a detailed look at the environments in which these social behaviors took place by collecting substantial amounts of data about urban Chicago, including its people, institutions, and resources.
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The city of Chicago was selected as the research site for the PHDCN because of its extensive racial, ethnic, and social-class diversity. The project collapsed 847 census tracts in the city of Chicago into 343 neighborhood clusters (NCs) based upon seven groupings of racial/ethnic composition and three levels of socioeconomic status. The NCs were designed to be ecologically meaningful. They were composed of geographically contiguous census tracts, and geographic boundaries, and knowledge of Chicago's neighborhoods were considered in the definition of the NCs. Each NC was comprised of approximately 8,000 people.
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For the Longitudinal Cohort Study, a stratified probability sample of 80 neighborhoods was selected. The 80 NCs were sampled from the 21 strata (seven racial/ethnic groups by three socioeconomic levels) with the goal of representing the 21 cells as equally as possible to eliminate the confounding between racial/ethnic mix and socioeconomic status. Once the 80 NCs were chosen, then block groups were selected at random within each of the sample neighborhoods. A complete listing of dwelling units was collected for all sampled block groups. Pregnant women, children, and young adults in seven age cohorts (birth, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, and 18 years) were identified through in-person screening of approximately 40,000 dwelling units within the 80 NCs. The screening response rate was 80 percent. Children within six months of the birthday that qualified them for the sample were selected for inclusion in the Longitudinal Cohort Study. A total of 8,347 participants were identified through the screening. Of the eligible study participants, 6,228 were interviewed in the Wave 1 data collection, 5,338 were interviewed in the Wave 2 data collection, and 4,850 were interviewed in the Wave 3 data collection.
Data collection for Wave 3 began in 2000 and ended in 2002. It included a letter sent to study participants notifying them that they would be contacted to schedule an interview. Additional information on the contact log included the dates and research assistant ID of the Wave 2 interview (or the status of the case if incomplete in Wave 2), a list of household composition and ID numbers of other household members in the study, the name the telephone was listed under, the recontact information from Waves 1 and 2, and an updated history of addresses.
For all cohorts except 0 and 18, primary caregivers as well as the child were interviewed. The primary caregiver was the person found to spend the most time taking care of the child. Separate research assistants administered the primary caregiver interviews and the child interviews. The primary method of data collection was face-to-face interviewing, although participants who refused to complete the personal interview were administered a phone interview. An abbreviated telephone interview was conducted for the primary caregivers in Cohorts 0-15 and Cohort 18 study participants in Wave 3 who lived outside the nine-county metropolitan area to which research assistants were able to travel for interviews. In Wave 3, phone interviews were also conducted with the study participants in Cohort 15. People who refused to complete the two-hour in-person interview were administered the phone interview. A total of 391 telephone interviews were conducted during Wave 3, representing 6.3 percent of the sample.
Proxy interviews were conducted with study participants who were emancipated minors (under 18 but married or living independently). The study participants answered questions from the primary caregiver's interview on the primary caregiver's behalf. In Wave 3, one primary caregiver and eleven study participants (young adults) were interviewed in jail. They were located in either the Cook County Jail or in one of the state prisons. Those study participants in a state system outside the nine-county area were also interviewed by phone. Study participants in foster care could not be interviewed. The Department of Children and Family Services did not allow interviews of the foster parent or the child. Permission was granted for a brief period in Wave 1, therefore there are some children in the sample who could not be followed up in Waves 2 and 3. Some children were not in foster care in Wave 1 but were placed in foster care by Wave 2 or 3. They were also not followed up. Lastly, some participants were interviewed in Wave 3 but not in Wave 2, as they were in foster care during Wave 2.
Some participants in Wave 1 spoke a language other than English, Spanish, or Polish. In Wave 3, an abbreviated version of the primary caregiver's protocol was administered, and the research assistant arranged for someone in the household to translate on the spot. In Wave 3, the complete protocol was translated into Spanish.
Depending on the age and wave of data collection, participants were paid between $5 and $20 per interview. Other incentives, such as free passes to museums, the aquarium, and monthly drawing prizes, were also included.
Interview protocols included a wide range of questions. For example, some questions assessed impulse control and sensation-seeking traits, cognitive and language development, leisure activities, delinquency and substance abuse, friends' activities, and self-perception, attitudes, and values. Caregivers were also interviewed about family structure, parent characteristics, parent-child relationships, parent discipline styles, family mental health, and family history of criminal behavior and drug use.
For primary caregivers included in Wave 3 but not in Wave 2, an addendum interview was administered consisting of measures or portions of measures from the Wave 2 interview. An addendum was also given to the Cohort 15 and 18 study participants who were not included in Wave 2. A total of 164 primary caregivers and 62 young adult (Cohorts 15 and 18) addendums were completed in Wave 3.
Children and First Pregnancy
The Children and First Pregnancy instrument was administered to subjects in Cohorts 15 and 18 and collected information related to the number of children the subject had, as well as information regarding the subject's first pregnancy.
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Children, adolescents, young adults, and their primary caregivers, living in the city of Chicago in 1994.
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The data files contain information related to the subject's children, as well as the subject's first pregnancy. All subjects were asked if they had ever had a child and, if so, to give the age and living arrangements for each child. Female respondents were also asked a series of questions related to their first pregnancy which included such items as their age when they got pregnant with their first child, whether they received any prenatal care, and how long the pregnancy lasted. Female respondents were also asked how many drinks of alcohol they consumed per week and how many cigarettes they smoked per day before they found out they were pregnant and after they found out they were pregnant. There was a series of questions related to support the female subjects received including such items as the number of relatives and friends they can count on in times of need, the number of people who would be able to care for the subject's children for several hours if needed, and a list of the relationship of the people who had regularly helped the subject since the subject had had children.
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The overall response rate for Wave 3 of the Longitudinal Cohort Study was 78.19 percent or 4,850 participants. The response rates for subjects by cohort were:
- 76.0 percent for Cohort 0
- 80.5 percent for Cohort 3
- 80.2 percent for Cohort 6
- 77.5 percent for Cohort 9
- 74.9 percent for Cohort 12
- 71.3 percent for Cohort 15
- 67.4 percent for Cohort 18
The response rates for primary caregivers by cohort were:
- 76.6 percent for Cohort 0
- 81.3 percent for Cohort 3
- 80.6 percent for Cohort 6
- 79.0 percent for Cohort 9
- 79.1 percent for Cohort 12
- 77.0 percent for Cohort 15
- 0 percent for Cohort 18
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- Earls, Felton J., Jeanne Brooks-Gunn, Stephen W. Raudenbush, and Robert J. Sampson. Project on Human Development in Chicago Neighborhoods (PHDCN): Children and First Pregnancy, Wave 3, 2000-2002. ICPSR13683-v1. Ann Arbor, MI: Inter-university Consortium for Political and Social Research [distributor], 2007-02-06. http://doi.org/10.3886/ICPSR13683.v1
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text: Share: February 12, 2012 | by Vicky Kelly Weather & Climate, Long-term Monitoring So how did 2011's weather shake out in the grand scheme of things? First off, let's make sure we are all on the same page regarding the difference between weather and climate.Weather refers to the short term, while climate is about the long term. Weather can be what's happening outside your window right now or what the past year has been like. Climate is the longer term, big picture view; it describes weather patterns across a number of years. Add all the weather together, and you get climate.Let's describe 2011's weather and compare it with the climate for our region, beginning with snow. Many recall the winter of 2010-11, which, in terms of snow, began in December 2010. A whopping 68 inches of snow fell, making it the third snowiest winter in our 19 years of data collection at the Cary Institute. The winter of 1995-96 brought 92 inches of snow and the winter of 2002-03 brought 91 inches, so, although last winter was a humdinger, it wasn't outstanding.Our least snowy winter was 2001-02 with 19 inches. So far, this winter is turning out to be a calm one — with a total of 20.5 inches so far. This is despite a very unusual start, with a freak pre-Halloween snowstorm of 15 inches.Total precipitation for 2011 tells us a different story. It was the wettest year in our 28-year precipitation data record, with 64.69 inches of rain and snow. Two big events associated with Tropical Storm Irene and then Tropical Storm Lee brought a total of 12.13 inches of rain in late August (Aug. 27-28) and early September (Sept. 5-8). These events resulted in major flooding in the region. While the total volume of precipitation we received did not break records, the already saturated soils and full lakes, ponds and wetlands caused the water to run off into streams and rivers, causing the major floods that we experienced. The long-term record of precipitation at the Cary Institute shows an increase in precipitation, which is consistent with climate change predictions.How about temperature? While the average temperature in 2011 did not break records, it was the 19th year in a row with an average temperature above normal. Every month in 2011 except January had higher than normal temperatures. While the overall trend in temperature in our 24-year record shows only a slight increase over time, some other indicators show a definite warming trend over time.The length of the growing season has increased in the last 24 years. That is, the number of frost-free days in the summer has gone up. The date of first autumn frost is coming later and later, but the date of the last frost in the spring isn't changing.Another measure of our changing climate can be seen in stream temperatures. Our 19-year record of average stream temperatures shows an increasing trend in the summer, but not the winter months.While stream temperatures reflect overall air temperature to some extent, they can also be driven by water level and the temperature of water inputs to the stream among other factors. Lower water levels usually result in warmer stream temperatures in the summer.Vicky Kelly manages the Environmental Monitoring Program for The Cary Institute in Millbrook. Share: Feature Green science: Changes in temperature reflect warming climate › February 12, 2012


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Based on the epic graphic novel by Frank Miller, 300 is a ferocious retelling of the ancient Battle of Thermopylae in which King Leonidas (Gerard Butler) and 300 Spartans fought to the death against Xerxes and his massive Persian army. Facing insurmountable odds, their valor and sacrifice inspire all of Greece to unite against their Persian enemy, drawing a line in the sand for democracy. The film brings Miller�s (Sin City) acclaimed graphic novel to life by combining live action with virtual backgrounds that capture his distinct vision of this ancient historic tale.
300 director Zack Snyder burst on to the scene in 2004 as the guy behind a remake of George Romero's classic zombie horror flick Dawn of the Dead. For some horror aficionados remaking Romero is kind of like trying to remake Hitchcock, but Snyder impressed studio executives by delivering a new take on Romero's classic film that won over both audiences and critics. The film was a big enough hit to set Snyder up with whatever else he wanted to sink his teeth into next. He chose Frank Miller's graphic novel 300.
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Pauline Maier accepted the 2011 George Washington Book Prize for Ratification: The People Debate the Constitution, 1787-1788 on Wednesday, May 25 at an elegant black-tie gala at Mount Vernon. The winner of one of the largest literary prizes in the country was presented with a medal and $50,000 check from the Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History, which co-sponsors the prize with Washington College and George Washington's Mount Vernon. The celebration honoring this year's three finalists was attended by about 175 people, including faculty, board members, students and dignitaries from the worlds of publishing, academia, law and politics.


text: Thursday, February 28, 2013 Reform Expands Health Information Exchange, Telehealth Capabilities to Rural Areas; Has Potential to Reduce Medicaid Costs The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) recently released a final rule reforming its universal service support program for health care. Specifically, the rule transitions FCC's existing Internet Access and Rural Health Care Pilot programs into a new Healthcare Connect Fund. This fund will expand health care provider access to broadband, especially in rural areas, and encourage the creation of state and regional broadband health care networks. In the rule, FCC notes that "Whether it is used for transmitting electronic health records, sending X-rays, MRIs, and CAT scans to specialists at a distant hospital, or for video conferencing for telemedicine or training, access to broadband for medical providers saves lives while lowering health care costs and improving patient experiences." In particular, FCC acknowledges the role of telemedicine in helping patients with stroke avoid lasting damage. The final rule also includes examples of how telehealth applications save health care providers money. For example, a South Carolina provider consortium funded by the Commission's Rural Health Care Pilot Program saved $18 million in Medicaid costs through telepsychiatry provided at hospital emergency rooms. Another pilot project in the Midwest saved $1.2 million in patient transport costs after establishing an electronic intensive care unit program, known as "e-ICU." APTA will post a summary of the rule in the near future to www.apta.org.


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Other Proposed Natural Treatments
- Black Currant
- OPCs (Oligomeric Proanthocyanidins)
- Vitamin A
- Zinc
The ability to see in poor light depends on the presence of a substance in the eye called rhodopsin, or visual purple. It is destroyed by bright light but rapidly regenerates in the dark. However, for some people, the adaptation to darkness or the recovery from glare takes an unusually long time. There is no medical treatment for this condition.
Principal Proposed Natural Treatments for Impaird Night Vision
The herb bilberry, a close relative of the American blueberry, is the most commonly mentioned natural treatment for impaired night vision. This use dates back to World War II, when pilots in Britain's Royal Air Force reported that a good dose of bilberry jam just before a mission improved their night vision, often dramatically. After the war, medical researchers investigated the constituents of bilberry and found a group of active chemicals called anthocyanosides. These naturally occurring antioxidants appear to have numerous potentially important actions within the eye. 10,11
However, neither anecdote nor basic scientific evidence of this type can prove a treatment effective. Only double-blind, placebo-controlled studies can do that. (To learn why this is so, see Why Does This Database Rely on Double-blind Studies? ) The current evidence from studies of this type is more negative than positive, with all of the most recent studies finding no benefit.
For example, a double-blind crossover trial of 15 individuals found no short- or long-term improvements in night vision attributable to bilberry. 1 Similarly negative results were seen in a double-blind placebo-controlled crossover trial of 18 subjects 2 and another of 16 subjects. 3 Earlier studies had reported some benefit, but they were less rigorous in design. 4-9
Thus, at present, bilberry cannot be recommended as a treatment for improving night vision. For more information, including dosage and safety issues, see the full bilberry article.
Other Proposed Natural Treatments for Impaired Night Vision
Evidence from a small double-blind placebo-controlled study suggests that anthocyanosides (see Bilberry discussion above) from black currant might have some benefit for night vision. 16
OPCs have also been recommended for improving night vision, although the evidence that they help is far too weak to rely upon at all. 17,18
There is no question that deficiencies of vitamin A and zinc zinc can also negatively affect night vision. However, there is no reason to believe that taking extra amounts of these nutrients will enhance vision.
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text: Thursday, August 16, 2012 New York Times Publishes APTA Letter to Editor The New York Times August 14 issue included APTA's letter to the editor about how physical therapists can help women with vaginal pain. APTA submitted the letter, which also was published online, in response to an August 7 article titled "Persistence Is Key to Treating Sexual Pain." Comments A comment was removed for various violations of this site's Terms & Conditions. Simply put: this is not a forum in which it is appropriate to detail confidential patient information or make personal attacks on others inside or outside of the profession of physical therapy. For more, please review the Terms & Conditions: http://www.apta.org/TermsConditions/ Posted by News Now Staff on 8/17/2012 4:09 PM This is so great that someone that represents us has written a letter to bring more awareness to women's health in the realm of PT. Thank you APTA Posted by Dr. Jacquelyn Brenner, DPT on 8/23/2012 6:11 PM


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In the tease previewing the upcoming season that aired after Sunday's episode, Kourtney and Scott are talking in their closet when she tells him, "I am pregnant."
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Stable Update 4.7.4 and Testing Release 4.8 Beta2 Available
Today, KDE makes available two new releases of its Workspaces, Applications and Development Platform. 4.7.4 provides bugfix updates, new translations and performance improvments on top of the stable 4.7 series, while 4.8 Beta2 gives a glimpse at what is coming in 4.8, to be released next month.
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By Anonymous at Wed, 2011/12/07 - 11:09pm
thank you
By Carl Symons at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 12:05am
smb support
what about fixing smb streaming so
By Anonymous at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 12:34am
smb support
While I agree that kio is getting long in the tooth and that gvfs is very interesting (and IMHO better), you can already do this if you mount the smb share instead of using kio.
There's even an excellent KDE application, called Smb4k for doing that.
By ianjo at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 7:56am
not a solution
That's more of a work around than a solution. For me, who is running samba4, it's not a solution b/c samba4 doesn't support file share browsing and smb4k requires it to find shares to mount.
Here's to hoping the kde devs will here this and fix it.
By Anonymous at Wed, 2011/12/14 - 5:23am
smb support
What application are you using to stream the movie through smb ?
Any KDE application that uses KIO directly should not have such issues. And all non-KDE applications that have built-in support for remote access protocols and inform KDE about it through their .desktop files by including a "X-KDE-Protocols" [1] should not have any issues streaming content either.
So unless you are using an application that does not support either one of the things mentioned above, this should work. Obviously, if you are using a non KDE application that relies on Gnome's GVFS approach of mounting remote resources locally, there is nothing KDE can do about that. We most definitely are not going to change KIO to map (read: mount) remote resources like GVFS does.
By Anonymous at Sat, 2011/12/17 - 8:04pm
After all those release KDE 4 still does not have a Multi-Screen-Setup (seperate X-Servers)
By Anonymous at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 9:43am
Adding support for Multi-Head is not justifiable
Please understand that Multi-Head is a very special requirement only needed by a minority of our user base. None of the core Plasma developers is using such a setup. We offer a very good multi-screen support (XRandR, TwinView, etc.) and consider it more important to improve this user experience which affects all users who want to attach a second screen to their notebook.
Our time to work on KDE is limited and we have to judge very well what we want to support and where we want to spend time on. Spending the time on Multi-Head support is unfortunately not justifiable towards all the other users who do not use it and who would miss important features and bug fixes which improves the user experience for all users.
Nevertheless I acknowledge the need for Multi-Screen support. But it does not change the fact that we as spare time developers cannot offer such features.
If this is an important feature to many users it should be possible to get in contact with a company to implement the missing pieces. Even I do offer such professional bug fixing service (see my blog). But you have to be aware that implementing Multi-Head support won't be something you get for 100 €. This is a complex requirement and especially ensuring that it works in future releases is very difficult due to the fact that none of the core developers is using such a setup.
By Martin Gräßlin at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 4:24pm
how much to you think it
how much to you think it would cost you to fix it? I dont know about the other users but I would glady pay around 100 euro for the fix. But that does not see to be enough for you. Maybe there will be other that want to pay you
By Anonymous at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 7:48pm
how much to you think it
how much to you think it would cost you to fix it?
By Martin Gräßlin at Fri, 2011/12/09 - 7:23am
"Fix multihead"
I think the "fix multihead" means that people (at least me and my friends) want to have two or three displays, single KDE running, but different virtual desktops and activities on every display.
Or then that user can even change virtual desktops to all screens to be same or how ever wanted.
No having just a cloned desktop or extended desktop to all displays isn't what people would expect.
By Anonymous at Mon, 2011/12/12 - 11:55am
Don't mix features and bug fixes
want to have two or three displays, single KDE running, but different virtual desktops and activities on every display.
Or then that user can even change virtual desktops to all screens to be same or how ever wanted.
By Martin Gräßlin at Mon, 2011/12/12 - 8:07pm
Maybe I am asking a stupid
Maybe I am asking a stupid question. Multi-Head was working nicly back in the kde 3 days and the code has been maintain by the trinity project. How come it is so difficult to reuse it from that project? Or from the gnome 2 project.
By Anonymous at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 7:57pm
Multi-Head was working nicly
Multi-Head was working nicly back in the kde 3 days and the code has been maintain by the trinity project.
How come it is so difficult to reuse it from that project? Or from the gnome 2 project.
By Martin Gräßlin at Fri, 2011/12/09 - 7:07am
I went back to take a look at KDE 3.5, it seemed a lot of small programs just worked great like amarok 1.4, Kmix and a few others. I actually liked adept even though it was not fancy, I missed the default sound file in amarok 1.4, in so many ways they just needed to make it faster along the years with ext4 and grub2 and other good things from today's distros not totally start over with a new and better set of bugs.
By Anonymous at Tue, 2011/12/13 - 1:26am
complain or take action?
After reading "And it looks like KDE 4 will never have it.", I took a look at the comment thread for the bug. It looks like that's not the true story.
It would be more accurate to say that existing KWin developers have higher priorities that serve more KDE users. And that there are some people (not KWin developers) who have solved at least some of the problem. Progress is being made.
Possible ways of getting this functionality given the circumstances:
You don't have to be a KDE hacker. You have to want to solve your problems rather than complaining about them.
By Carl Symons at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 5:12pm
I have tried to complain. So
I have tried to complain. So far it did not help.
My current workaround is using win 7 but it will not last forever and at that time I need something else (win 9???). I will prefer to pay someone from KDE that amount of money to fix the problems I have instead of buying yet another copy of windows.
By Anonymous at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 7:43pm
Maybe I'm just too stupid to
Maybe I'm just too stupid to see it, but what is the reason to combine several X servers instead of using one X server?
By Anonymous at Fri, 2011/12/09 - 12:54am
The need for several X
The need for several X servers is very rare and very special. Valid usecases are multiple GPUs and maybe using one screen as a TV only. For everything else the normal multi-screen modes such as XRandR or TwinView are the better choice.
By Martin Gräßlin at Fri, 2011/12/09 - 7:01am
And that is the usecase I
And that is the usecase I have
By beer at Fri, 2011/12/09 - 7:07am
use cases
I understand all of your arguments about marginal use cases and focusing resources on the mainstream, even if I only partially agree with them.
To develop is an activity geared into the future, and while today the use cases for several X are arguably marginal, tomorrow they will not. All new Intel's CPU have an integrated GPU and running that in parallel with a discrete GPU will become more common on desktops.
Another place where this attitude bites KDE IMHO is the trackpad. The most horrible thing that prevents me from using KDE properly is inadvertent trackpad interference while typing. Why isn't there a setting to disable the trackpad for X milliseconds after the last keystroke? I am not talking about complex things such as actually using my touchpad (that according to Acer's marketing is "multi-gesture") more than like a 1990 trackpad...
You guys keep adding new big "features" (nepomuk and akonadi comes to my mind) that are completely uninteresting to me, while forgetting about the small things that actually make or break a desktop. The result is that KDE feels like 1990 Mac or Windows, even if probably under the hood it is better than a star trek spacecraft.
The result? Linux desktop has insignificant market share and is completely ignored by the rest of the world. So much for focusing on the mainstream. The day you will have more than single-digit market share of all desktops in the world, I will be more inclined to agree with your "focusing the resources on the mainstream" argument. Currently, you are not the mainstream and by focusing on the majority of your user base you are not focusing on the mainstream.
If the developers need testing hardware, a Z68 mobo with a Core i3, 8GB RAM, and an extra discrete video card is less than $500. I'd consider participating in a donation drive toward such a setup.
By Anonymous at Wed, 2011/12/14 - 3:34pm
even with xandr , etc, kde4
even with xandr , etc, kde4 is failing.
By Anonymous at Fri, 2011/12/16 - 6:51pm
KDE 4.7.4 Release Announcement
The date for the release announcement is wrong (November 2, 2011). Also, it says "The October updates..." and "everyone running 4.7.0 or earlier versions"; I assume this should be "The December updates..." and "everyone running 4.7.3 or earlier".
By Anonymous at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 9:52am
Can't find fixes of memory usage errors !
"new and fancy view" is very good stuff but what about idiotic random crashes of everything on signal 11? Kded4 is just the leader in 4.7.x! Is it too hard to learn:
if (the_stupid_pointer!=0){
By alukin at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 4:15pm
Sounds like you know a lot
Sounds like you know a lot about these things. I suggest that you post a few patches to Review Board[1] to fix some of the crashes, it would be much appreciated by both KDE developers and users!
By Hans Chen at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 9:59pm
Bug triaging
Sounds like you are very motivated. Please join us on #plasma to support the current massive bug triaging and closing going on.
By Anonymous at Fri, 2011/12/09 - 8:19am
What crashes?
Here's the thing, me and thousands of others are running 4.7 without a single sign of such issues. It's very hard to fix something that is not broken for 99.99% of people. Have you been able to track down what is causing these crashes, if so please post them at bugs.kde.org and I'm sure the maintainers will sort it out.
By odysseus at Sat, 2011/12/10 - 4:57pm
Do you run OpenSuSE + NVIDIA?
I've found weird bugs on that combo. Maybe that's biting you. I'd suggest you switch your distro.
By Anonymous at Wed, 2011/12/14 - 3:27am
>fancy view engine for Dolphin, Qt Quick Components for Plasma
how about fixing long standing problems before doing the fancy stuff?
By Anonymous at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 4:16pm
How can you know that this
How can you know that this did not fix bugs? How can you judge whether it is worth to spend time on implementing this? Do you really think that the KDE developers are not able to decide what is best for their applications they develop and maintain? Do you think we rewrite parts of our applications just for the fun of it?
By Martin Gräßlin at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 4:31pm
To say more,
To say more, KDE 4.7.x does not even start on my desktop after regular update (Fedora 16). Cool and fancy stuff now is Krash message after splash screen: Signal 11 again! Cool work, guys!
You don't have tons of automatic bug reports? Strange but I know why. Because kded is used to send reports form Krash but kded4 crashes with signal 11.
By alukin at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 4:47pm
Think first, say stuff later
Do you think all the KDE developers, even the ones that write cool and fancy new stuff, would not have noticed such a small issue as the desktop not starting? Anf if they did, do you think they just didn't bother to do anything about it?
Or is it not more likely that none of the KDE developers have encountered the bug in their use and testing. And judging from how the bug database, mailing lists, forums and blogs have not erupted with complaints abut this bug, it stands to reason that very few of the hundreds of thousands people using the latest 4.7.x release is affected.
And this very rare occurring bug may not even be a bug in a KDE release. It could just as well be a distribution specific update bug, but still a very rare one.
By Morty at Fri, 2011/12/09 - 1:26am
If you are a real Fedoran...
...you run with the KDE Red Hat repository!
If that fails, move your .kde or .kde4 folder to reset your setup.
By Ernesto Manríquez at Wed, 2011/12/14 - 3:49am
helps to read the post
This sort of comment is pretty much useless kvetching.
The story says, "...new and fancy view engine for Dolphin...". Another poster also takes this phrase out of context to make some point in a more clever manner.
Development and bugfixing do not happen as you apparently imagine. There is no Jobs or Gates assigning people from one project to another. Based on whatever input, their own sense of what's needed and their own interests, the Dolphin developers added new, cool functionality to the view engine for Dolphin. They didn't, and won't ever, look at all possible bugs to decide what to work on.
Uncommitted, vague complaining is more likely to result in fewer and less enthusiastic developers than more bugfixes.
By Carl Symons at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 4:44pm
That's very good! No new
That's very good! No new young and green developers, no idiotic ideas and no foolish bugs. I do not complain. I'm just trying to say that KDE is digging it's grave by "new and fancy stuff" and that's a pity.
By alukin at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 4:54pm
are you offering?
Are you offering to mentor? To help vet ideas and triage bugs?
If your assessment is true, the gravediggers are those who comment on announcements with vague, disparaging comments and gratuitous insults such as "idiotic". People who apparently claim higher ground than the KDE Code of Conduct.
What result do these commenters hope to achieve with this type of comment? What result do you think they actually achieve?
By Carl Symons at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 5:28pm
>> fancy view engine for
>> fancy view engine for Dolphin
I'm not really happy that the new view-engine in Dolphin is announced as "fancy": The main reason to create a new engine was to improve the performance and to fix issues that could not been fixed with the old view-engine. Some background information about this is given at http://ppenz.blogspot.com/2011/08/introducing-dolphin-20.html
The fact that the new engine is fast enough to provide visual improvements is more or less a "side effect". So to answer your question directly: The new view-engine has been written to be able to fix long standing problems like e.g. clipped filenames or a bad performance.
By Peter Penz at Fri, 2011/12/09 - 12:48pm
They are solving bugs, indeed.
The fancy view engine solved a LOT of keyboard interaction bugs that were lying around since KDE 4.1.
Also, the Qt Quick components (specially the Device Notifier) looks better and works faster than the originals.
So yes, devs are doing what you suggest and AT THE SAME TIME bringing in some eye candy.
By Anonymous at Wed, 2011/12/14 - 3:30am
Unreadable taskbar entries
There is one thing I can't understand:
Look at the taskbar - "Pictures Dolphin", "Gwenview" is almost NOT READABLE. NO CONTRAST. COME ON GUYS...
By Anonymous at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 6:15pm
Window title?
Are you referring to the window titles at the top of each application window?
Gwenview is easily visible. "Pictures - Dolphin" is greyed out because it doesn't have focus. You can easily change the appearance and behavior in System Settings (Kubuntu) or Personal Settings (openSUSE). Workspace Appearance and Application Appearance.
By Carl Symons at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 8:58pm
unreadable titles ?
i don't see any window titles in the taskbar, because i am using smooth-taskbar (win7 like) ;)
By Anonymous at Thu, 2011/12/08 - 11:16pm
Excuse my ignorance, but...
... who scores the commentaris? I can't see any option to vote for or agenst them. Is some autority "superior" to all the comon readers to whom isn't permited to score?
By Anonymous at Fri, 2011/12/09 - 1:55am
sign in to rate
Anonymous can comment, but can't rate comments. Signed in users can rate comments.
Is some autority "superior" to all the comon readers to whom isn't permited to score?
By Carl Symons at Fri, 2011/12/09 - 5:55am
Thanks for the info
Ah, thanks.
By Anonymous at Fri, 2011/12/09 - 4:05pm
Mailing list?
Just wondering why this didn't go out on the kde-announce mailing list? Thanks.
By Anonymous at Fri, 2011/12/09 - 11:37am
A big thank you!
I just wanted to say a huge thank you to all the KDE developers, the amount of work you do is tremendous and I, for one, keep getting really excited at each new KDE release! (less than during the 4.0 days, of course, but that's just normal ;-) )
I just realized that out of the ~30 comments this thread has now, all of them are just bitching and complaining, and I can't believe how selfish and self-centered people are.
To all the nay-sayers, people who think KDE is full of "young and green developers", with "idiotic ideas", people who think the semantic desktop is just a resource blackhole: you know KDE is all about progress and innovation, it is a pretty clear statement. If you don't like it, there's always fwvm, xv, xterm, etc... Nobody forces you to use KDE.
To the KDE developers: you know better than to pay attention to those people, but still, it is worth repeating: you are doing a fantastic job! For me KDE really epitomizes Free software at its best: not only there is this vibrant community full of talented people, but you also have a clear goal of being the best in what you do, and you keep coming up with your own new ideas (yeah, copying MS or Apple doesn't cut it for me, you're doomed to always be behind with such an attitude). KDE is without a doubt the most exciting desktop to follow.
Anyway, to sum up: Rock on, KDE people!
By wackou at Fri, 2011/12/09 - 11:38am
Finally a positive comment
Finally a positive comment after all the negative stuff!
The developers are fixing many defects, many rewrites address known old issues and so on and what do we get? People complaining about everything and how KDE developers do not fix bugs (hint: they do, even more than in the past) and most of those who complain are (what a surprise!) ill informed not to say something else.
To the developers - keep the good work and I'm already looking forward to 4.8. Should be a nice improvement...
And to the rest - start being productive, fill bug reports, even more important, help sorting them out. Important defect are often not seen in a flood of duplicates, variations of the same bug, upstream/downstream errors...
By Anonymous at Fri, 2011/12/09 - 3:54pm
KWin great performance improvement
There is already some background post on KWin developer blog, but after real test, I find it really improve a lot.
I'm using catalyst with ATI hd 5470 (Yeah, might some other hate it, and it's blacklisted on kwin's direct rendering/OpenGL2 list), and find even with blur enabled, my wine game will run with 60 fps , comparing to previous 40-50 fps. (The optimization is not card specific, even it will boost xrender.)
The animation of dolphin is simply a side effect as the developer said. Try list /usr/bin you will find the difference.
Not to mention that Nepomuk becomes more stable. (The last thing I care is akonadi and telepathy-kde though..)
4.8 will be a great KDE release.
By Xuetian Weng at Sat, 2011/12/10 - 4:49pm
Oh my god, what's with all that bitching?
p.s. to all complainers: please go get a life.
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|280 lb/ft
|1395 mm
|4612 mm
|1782 mm
*Includes cars with a CO2 figure over 225g/km but were registered before 23 March 2006.