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Sunday, November 1, 2009
Comic 656: Treatery
Anyway, let's do the best we can under the circumstances: Guy wants candy before halloween, so he dresses up as a well-known time traveler in order to justify asking for candy a day early. Mildly clever, but here is a case where Randall's terrible drawing just make life sadder for everyone. He can't just draw Doc Brown - because he is physically incapable of drawing a figure that people will recognize as the character. So he does his best - coat, glasses, wavy hair - and decides, no, that is really not enough for people to recognize (and he is right). So what can he do? He has the person in the house tell you: "NICE DOC BROWN COSTUME." There's another example of our favorite xkcd-unrealistic-dialogue, so stick that in your pipe and do it without a condom.
(update: some silly people seem to think that I am saying here that it is unrealistic for people to compliment a costume that a child wears whilst trick or treating. That's not what I'm saying, because yeah, that happens. What I'm saying is that in this case, Randall had to make the dialog far more stilted than would happen in real life, because otherwise we would not know what this person is dressed as, because the art is lousy. ok guys?)
Lastly we have the problems that only dawn on you gradually - if this person is clever enough to go and do all this, shouldn't he be old enough that "halloween" just means drinking excessively in costume? Is this really the most efficient way to use time travel to procure candy? Why has this fellow not been punched in the face yet? Etc.
In short, CANDY+BACK TO THE FUTURE does not always equal a great joke, SORRY RANDALL.
65 comments:
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2009 at 7:48 PM
'There's another example of our favorite xkcd-unrealistic-dialogue, so stick that in your pipe and do it without a condom.' I think that might be my favorite thing ever writteno n this blog.ReplyDelete
- Same guyNovember 1, 2009 at 7:49 PM
written. on.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Thought it was mildly funny, but what you said was true.ReplyDelete
I liked the blogpost, it was pretty funny, but I'm going to have to actually disagree with the first half of your criticism on the basis that it's not altogether uncommon to have a costume complimented.ReplyDelete
As for your second criticism, I didn't think it was legitimate either, but because Randall is so attached to his childhood that he probably would still go trick or treating.
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2009 at 8:38 PM
... Saying 'nice costume' is unrealistic?ReplyDelete
Normally I'd agree with you on his bad dialogue, but that's sorta bullshit.
Further, half the damn fun of Halloween is doing goofy shit, so messing with a few people in costume - aside from drinking - is ... a fairly rational thing to do.
Some friends and I did it this year, and we're in college (and, hey, we also had a party where a number of us got drunk in costumes!), so your assumptions about age are just sort of wrong.
To overshoot means to go past. ie; to aim for October 31 and hit November 1.
Unless of course he overshot by 364 days. In which case Doc Brown sucks at time travel almost as much as Randall sucks at comics.
This comic must've taken Randall so much work. The Jurassic Park is even clever in its own way for including dinosaurs as characters. However, it looks like he didn't include any jokes beyond "lol Primal is confusing."ReplyDelete
What the fuck is Primal?
@Ben -- He went too far BACK in time. That is, he started in the future, and was aiming for a previous October 31st, and went too far. That's what I got out of this.
- NamelessNovember 1, 2009 at 9:06 PM
@Ben: Time doesn't have to be linear, so maybe he overshot while going back in time and ended up arriving a day early? I agree though, it's weird, and was the most confusing part of the comic for me.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2009 at 9:08 PM
And a perfectly valid idea would be that he was coming back in time from the future, and so ... overshot. Hurf.ReplyDelete
Also, I predict that you guys are going to hate today's, despite that it's fairly amazing.
- NamelessNovember 1, 2009 at 9:09 PM
@Femalethoth: I thought the inclusion of 12 Angry men was pretty funny, an unnecessary and absurd addition.ReplyDelete
Re: Today's comic, this is one of those non-comic comics, though. I think it's quite interesting to look at, but not particularly funny, no.
In fact, I feel the addition of Primal seems a little too much like 'I am tacking on a joke because I feel as though I should.'
Still though, I enjoy it.
Carl how come you didn't use the post I emailed you :( it wasn't that bad was it?ReplyDelete
Also, how come you didn't comment on the alt-text? It was kinda stupid what with that whole "if you don't have enough houses on your block" wtf does that have to do with it? You've got a time machine and I'd like to know what kids only stick to their block when they are old enough to trick-or-treat by themselves (even when I went with my parents we still averaged like 5-6 blocks)
Okay, yeah, the 12 Angry Men bit was pretty good. And like I said, it must've taken him an INCREDIBLE amount of work to make all this.ReplyDelete
It's Primer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primer_(film)ReplyDelete
It tries to treat time-travel in a non-stupid way, which means it's kind of convoluted and unintuitive.
"Primer is confusing" is almost a conceptual meme. But it doesn't bother me that much. I think the 12 angry men thing was funnier and should have gone at the end.
I kind of liked it best before hitting any punchline panels, though.
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2009 at 9:23 PM
This is by far my favourite XKCD for a long, long time. It's suitably geeky without relying on overworked memes, it's drawn excellently, and it actually appears to have required significant investment of time and effort.ReplyDelete
The 12 Angry Men panel was the highlight; the Primar panel wasn't terrible, but it felt a little forced. I think I would have preferred an actual time-travel chart; Back-to-the-Future springs to mind for obvious reasons.
Still, kudos to Randall! Apparently there are some salvagable ideas left in his brain!
- johnpauljonesNovember 1, 2009 at 9:23 PM
On the new comic: clever, well-constructed, interesting, and unfunny.ReplyDelete
It's a big step up from bland, unoriginal, and unfunny though! So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
Sounds like a really interesting movie.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Damn, you are so wrong.ReplyDelete
Complimenting on someone's costume is really common.
Also, it's supposed to be october 30th in the comic, not halloween, so he's not supposed to be out "drinking excessively in costume".
And even if it was the 31th, trick or treating can be done relatively early, and after that you can go drink excessively in costume.
oh dear. they are going to sell so many posters of the new comic.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2009 at 10:19 PM
The latest is part of the "illustrated picto-blog" series. Judged by that standard, I think it works really well.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Latest comic is most excellent, a lovely break from a trend of okay-nessReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Primer joke is just a nerd-cred reference: look at me, I'm so nerdy that I watched one of the most confusing movies ever and now I understand the reference!*ReplyDelete
The LotR one is cool though. Not funny but just wow.
* I have not actually seen Primer yet, although I would like to
657 is really rather awesome. The LotR one is totally incredible. The final one, Primer, seems a bit unnecessary -- I think it's OK if every now and then he makes a comic which is more 'interesting' than 'funny', if it's this interesting, but he seems uncomfortable to put something out there without an obvious 'joke'. In any case, the 12 Angry Men one is amusing in its own right. But yeah, the LotR one is fantastic.ReplyDelete
Also, I think to some extent the Primer joke detracts from the rest of the comic -- it shifts the focus to this pretty weak punchline, almost as if everything before it is just to point out that it's a confusing movie, when the comic has more value for the rest of the content.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2009 at 11:21 PM
656 had potential, but it was so poorly written I didn't even quite understand the joke for a while.ReplyDelete
And 657 is amazing.
The Primer joke is awful, and rather long in the tooth. Especially since proper Primer timelines have been around since shortly after the film was released. So it's about as funny as Randall eating some crayons, crapping them onto a piece of paper and labelling it 'London Underground Map'ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 2, 2009 at 12:14 AM
I saw an actual Primer timeline once. Can't remember where, though.ReplyDelete
Well actually it was a bunch of timelines, and the characters' movements between them, but you know what I mean.
- AnonymousNovember 2, 2009 at 12:21 AM
Also I was kind of hoping the 12 Angry Men timeline would show the changing of the jurors opinions from "guity" to "innocent" (and back, at one point) but still it is all good I guess.ReplyDelete
I think that time travel is intended to be the premise of this comic - if not for the alt text I might otherwise agree that it's the "trick or treat early as a joke" - which to me would have been funny on it's own.ReplyDelete
so i think what carl meant by unrealistic (and i agree) is that people don't usually say "nice _____ costume." pretty sure it's usually "nice costume," but ANYTHING IS POSSIBLEReplyDelete
but to make it more realistic, couldn't he have just said something like, "wow, doc brown, real original. too bad halloween isn't until tomorrow"?
Ninja'd by Amanda, but I'm going to post it anyway:ReplyDelete
People complaining that people complimenting on a costume is PERFECTLY NORMAL: that's not what Carl is fucking complaining about. He's (rightly) saying that it's completely nonsensical for people to say "Hey, nice LET ME SPELL OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE WEARING costume."
fuck yeah i ain't never ninja'd no one beforeReplyDelete
it feels nice?
Can we perhaps just ask randy to draw us something incredible? Just to prove he can at all? Frankly, I'm losing respect for this stick figure business.ReplyDelete
Just so this post remaing mole-less, I'll mention how "but it's October 30th" surely enters the "xkcd Gallery of Stilted Exposition Dialogue". Seriously, "you're one day early" would be much better. I think someone actually proposed this on the last post.ReplyDelete
So, yeah. Just saw today's comic. To the placeholder!
I guess Carl always had shitty costumesReplyDelete
No one pointed it out, but I have a friend who is a big BTTF geek. A subtle joke that could have been made IF Doc Brown hadn't said Trick or Treat would be the fact that the dates that they travel to and from in the trilogy are almost exclusively around October 26th. Therefore having overshot to October 30th would be a good, if not hella obscure, joke.ReplyDelete
Him saying trick or treat kind of cancels out that possibility though.
- AnonymousNovember 2, 2009 at 6:38 AM
It's totally normal to compliment a costume. It's totally normal to say what costume someone is wearing. Adults do this to trick-or-treaters all the time. I've seen adults explicitly say what every kid is wearing when handing out candy to groups of ten or more.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 2, 2009 at 9:15 AM
Goddamn, I actually read "Nice costume, Doc Brown", which made the comic completely nonsensical. That's what you get for not paying attention, I guess...ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 2, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Get the fuck over the art. YES, IT'S BAD WE KNOW THIS VERY WELL THANK YOU, YOU DONT NEED TO TELL US THIS NEARLY EVERY GODDAMN TIME HE MAKES A COMIC. YES, THIS DETRACTS FROM THE COMIC. YES, HE HAS TO MAKE ALLOWANCES FOR THIS LIKE ANYONE ELSE WOULD. What the hell would you expect him to do? Like a smart person, since he knows not everyone will instantly guess Doc Brown, he has a character say his name in reference to his 'costume', which normal people would do anyway. You say a comic is visual medium and berate Randal for failing to utilize that, yet you say you're a fan of dinosaur comics. A COMIC WHICH USES THE EXACT SAME VISUALS EVERY SINGLE TIME. Esentially getting rid of the whole "visual" aspect, and closing the guy in, making him use that exact same 5 panels.ReplyDelete
If anything it proves you don't need a visual medium to tell a joke.
Dinosaur comics uses art to represent simply exactly what ryan North wants to represent, which happens to be the same thing every time. In this case, Randall was not able to use art to represent what he wanted, because he lacks the skill. So he had to do his best and then just tell you. That is the difference.ReplyDelete
I'm not faulting him for failing to use the visual medium (some of his comics, after all, are pure text), I'm berating him for trying to use it and failing. If the whole comic had just been text ("My Hobby: Dressing up as Doc Brown and going trick or treating on October 30th") I would probably still have problems with it, but not of an artistic nature.
oh ps dinosaur comics is 6 panels, u r dumb.
- AnonymousNovember 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Stop referring to Randall's drawings as "art". It isn't.ReplyDelete
MY HOBBY: GOING ON FIRST DATES AND PRETENDING I LOVE MAROON 5ReplyDelete
guys I thought of that at lunch today I'm a genius
- AnonymousNovember 2, 2009 at 2:36 PM
"oh ps dinosaur comics is 6 panels, u r dumb."ReplyDelete
I figured I would get that wrong. Just proves I don't read it often.
no it proves u r dumbReplyDelete
I don't understand why you go on about his drawing skills. He can draw pretty well. Examples:ReplyDelete
He is capable of drawingm he chooses purposefully to draw linear. It is the style of the comic. Besides do you realise how long it would take for every comic to be drawn as a work of art. This comic is not the only thing he does.
Notice he does take a lot care with his linear drawings, everything is neat an tidy, much effort is clearly put into this. Comics 'cynide and happyness' and 'another random day' and others have bad drawing, no care take. That is their style though (they are still good).
His comic is not always meant to be lol funny. It is meant to be light satire, plays on words, maths, events etc
no, the comic is his full time job. it is quite literally the only thing he has to doReplyDelete
The fact that Randall can draw just makes his opting not to do so in instances like these (drawing a costume that is visibly identifiable as Doc Brown) where it would enhance the comic even worse. It's like "yeah, I could take an extra 30 minutes to take this comic from average to pretty good, but my fans will just lap this shit up anyway. I'll just spend that extra drawing time on "Movie Narrative Charts" so I have a new poster ready for the Xmas season."ReplyDelete
Because you KNOW it will become a poster. I'm willing to bet on it.
Well it would make a good poster. People on the xkcd forum already have asked for one. I liked that particular comic so I saved it but wouldnt buy it.ReplyDelete
I say good job to him. Unlike the majority of people in the world he has found a fairly relaxed, easy way to make money doing something he likes and is self employed. You all complain about him then go to work for 40 hours a week to make someone else rich whilst getting paid a balanced amount which will keep you happy but isn't enough that you are able to leave. Or you will do later if your still currently in education. Who is the winner here.
Completely free to look at his stuff. No force to buy from his store, its up to you, do or don't.
I don't go to work to make other people rich. I WORK FOR A NON PROFIT AWW YEAHReplyDelete
hahaha. Yeah, there are only two types of jobs out there: (1) making webcomics (2) corporate slave.ReplyDelete
They are literally the only ones available! You just literally can't work in social work or education or politics or academia, nor can you work at a nonprofit organization, start your own business, work for the government in a non-political capacity...
Nope! You can literally just only make webcomics or work 9-5 at a corporate cubicle farm.
- AnonymousNovember 2, 2009 at 3:59 PM
Dood! Does a webcomic have to have 'realistic dialogue?' And people really do say "nice ___ costume" in real life. Srsly.ReplyDelete
Also the XKCD for today is out. I really don't know how you're gonna criticize that, because that's just being a bitch because it prolly spent like a week to do that. Maybe that's why all the XKCDs are sucking recently!
lol I didn't mean it like that. I was emphasizing that most people get trapped in jobs that they don't want to be in. He has a degree of freedom and I assume is enjoying himself.ReplyDelete
Social work, education, politics, non profit, teaching and academia can all still have long hours for not massive amounts of pay which is fine if you are happy there.
I'm just saying that while you are all busy complaining about him, he has managed to break free from work to an extent. There are several ways that you can do this but most people just don't, they accept things the way they are instead and just carry on. In the meantime he has time available which work takes from you.
I wouldn't say we're /busy/ complaining about him. It just provides me amusement for a few minutes every day.ReplyDelete
Successful webcomics people are definitely an interesting economic phenomenon. Some of them have reached a point where they are no longer even shackled to their webcomics: Penny Arcade could probably get by comfortably at this point, closing the comic down and moving on to their own thing. They have vaulted their way into celebrity.
Others are still just living day to day. I haven't heard of a webcomics person giving up and starting a day job up again, but it feels like it has to happen eventually. How long can you make money on internet fame? Is it sustainable? Does it translate to anything beyond that?
Perhaps more to the point, is it relevant? Certainly it indicates that a merchandise-supported free content model is viable. I don't think there's really anything else to be said for it, though. Some webcomics have produced or introduced me to some really excellent writing. Others are tired and hackneyed, and anyone who is decent with writing and humor could do better, except that the niche is already filled.
A small thought... a repeated complaint is that he spells things out too much in the dialog and/or titles and/or alt-texts. But I think if you're absolutely fair, you have to admit that nearly every person telling a story (whether it be a comic strip, a TV show, a book, a joke, whatever) has to do this - in comic strips, to a greater degree because there is such a limited amount of space to work with. Virtually every comic will have an example of - whatever - "Why are you wearing a toilet seat, lampshade, tablecloth, half of the pinata from Cinco de Mayo, and all of last year's Mardi Gras beads?" instead of what any normal human would say, which is, "*squint* What the HELL?"ReplyDelete
There has to be some degree of exposition. Rob above mentioned Penny Arcade, and I think I've seen people compliment it in the comments here - out of the ten comics with dialog I just looked at, at least 9 of them had some sort of "stilted dialog" to set the stage. It's part of comic-making. The only comics I can think of that *don't* routinely use at least a little bit of stilted, "unnecessary" dialog to establish the strip are along the lines of Marmaduke and Family Circus.
Elayne - your point seems good, but I don't think it stands up. Bad sitcoms do that a lot, but not good comedies. In fact, that's one of the hallmarks of good comedy, I think, the fact that it shows you something without also telling it to you (like your english teachers used to say, perhaps). Which comics (besides penny arcade, which I disagree on) do you think do this? I'm sure there are many, but I suspect that I think they generally suck.ReplyDelete
me: Note the comics you linked to - the highest number was 133, several years old. There are a tiny number of newer examples, but not many. I think this only serves to show how sad xkcd is now.
also: "others have bad drawing, no care take." No take care, no take care indeed.
"Dinosaur comics uses art to represent simply exactly what ryan North wants to represent, which happens to be the same thing every time. In this case, Randall was not able to use art to represent what he wanted, because he lacks the skill. So he had to do his best and then just tell you. That is the difference.ReplyDelete
I'm not faulting him for failing to use the visual medium (some of his comics, after all, are pure text), I'm berating him for trying to use it and failing. If the whole comic had just been text ("My Hobby: Dressing up as Doc Brown and going trick or treating on October 30th") I would probably still have problems with it, but not of an artistic nature."
I always thought he could actually do art, but chose stick figures because it's a certain style.I dunno. Not that I liked this comic. I got the joke, and I have no real complaints other than "Meh not funny"
Regarding this latest post by Carl:
Perry Bible fellowship is considered good comedy. I know I love it enough to spend good money on a book that's 95% stuff I could get for free online, and 3% of the new stuff was bad, and admitted to be bad by the author. But he uses stilted speech in his comics to elaborate as well. "It's my birthday today!" opens one I can remember pretty well. Nobody wakes up and says "It's my birthday today!" unless they're next to someone having a birthday.
On the other hand, there's Order of the Stick, which is in my opinion great comedy, which has fairly realistic dialogue even though it uses stick figures. Although its stick figures are more advanced than Randall's. Not much else to say other than WOO I'M BACK BABY.
Retroactively editing now that I re-read: Nobody wakes up and says "It's my birthday today!" unless they're next to someone who doesn't KNOW they have a birthday.ReplyDelete
i feel like most PBFs are supposed to be this sort of childlike fantasy type world, usually with some type of evil twist to it. The characters there are more parodies of people in fairy tales, in some ways. Does that make sense?ReplyDelete
From another point of view, the characters would never say "That's a nice blue hat you are wearing" because Nick G. would just draw the damn hat, you know? And then you would see it. The problem is not so much randall telling you things he should be showing you, the way I phrased it above (though that is a problem), in this case it's even worse: He's telling you things that he is showing you, because his showing is crappy.
I like Penny Arcade but I was not mentioning it as an example of good humor, only an example of people who sleep on mountains of money.ReplyDelete
I am not seeing the same stilted "no human would ever say that" dialogue you see from time to time in XKCD, however. These are not the days of Elayne.
Most PBFs are fantasy world. I don't think the one I was referring to was one. http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF032-Todays_My_Birthday.gif is the comic I was talking about.ReplyDelete
But here's the problem in what you said.
Randall also wouldn't use "That's a nice blue hat you are wearing". A nice blue hat is easy to draw. But even if he drew like Gurevitch, I still wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Doc Brown and Albert Einstein. Sometimes it's necessary to have bad dialogue to explain the joke, and I didn't think the dialogue was that bad. When I was a little kid dressed up as a turtle for Halloween (I was a very boring little kid) people told me "What a lovely turtle costume!" People state the obvious many times. G'night now. I can't believe it's 11 AM somewhere, it's so dark out now...
I still think that particular PBF is trying to evoke a sort of childhood innocence and joy. And keep in mind that he isn't talking to anyone - he might as well be thinking "today's my birthday," which I am sure we can agree most wide eyed happy children do sometimes think on their birthdays.ReplyDelete
Ok, "blue hat" was a bad example. But maybe Randall could still have used visuals to show that this was Doc Brown - perhaps a DeLorean in the background? That's pretty closely associated with Back to the Future. That plus at least a better drawing of Doc would have been nice.
- AnonymousNovember 6, 2009 at 2:04 AM
I think http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/tardy-slowpoke.gif is a much better delivery of pretty much the same joke.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 7, 2009 at 9:10 AM
Don't know if anyone noticed, but bizarro did pretty much the same joke one day later.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 7, 2009 at 9:14 AM
Okay, never mind, actually it didn't.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousDecember 21, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Wait...since when did Doc Brown wear sunglasses?!!ReplyDelete
they are safety goggles, can't you tell from the photorealistic art??ReplyDelete


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Second Beta of KOffice 1.5 Released
With more than 1500 improvements since the first beta release of the 1.5 series, the KOffice developers invite the user community for the final round of testing of KOffice 1.5 before the first release candidate. Read the full announcement, the changelog, download the release, and give it some real world testing for us!
The new KChart engine
In this release, KChart received a new charting engine, donated by Klarälvdalens Datakonsult AB and an initial implementation of the charting OASIS OpenDocument file format. We managed to improve Krita's performance in loading large images, rendering complex images, creating gradients and showing filter previews. There are also a lot of bug fixes. Dag Andersen has reworked the KPlato calculation engine and improved the user interface; and the documentation team has written a complete KPlato manual. And that's just the highlights: across the board, we have improved OpenDocument support in KWord, KPresenter, KSpread and Karbon14. All applications have also received user interface polish.
Why are there no kliks available?
Congratulations to the second beta. What you have added and fixed since the first one is really impressive. Krita starts to shake up the graphic tools market, and I hope Karbon will be in the same league very soon.
I very much enjoyed being able to test the klik packages made from the first beta after it was out. It looks to me, that all the initial klik problems (some koffice programs didnt work for some distros) were shaken out -- the kliks now work very well even on some more obscure distros (yes, you need kdelibs3 and a few other base utilities installed prior to run the kliks) as can be seen from visiting the comments section and the wiki on the klik website [ http://klik.atekon.de/wiki/index.php/KOffice-1.5.0_DistroTable ].
So it seems all the klik teething pains are gone now... Where we initially had problems and crashes due to klik, now that the klik recipe for KOffice is stable most crashes and problems are more likely to be indicative a KOffice bug.
And this is A Good Thing (TM) for the development process. It makes it very easy for a non-programmer like me (and a person that just doesnt have enough time for compile and build marathons) to donate at least *some* time to test and report bugs to bugzilla.
However, the base packages ("ingredients" which go into the klik bundle) haven't been updated at all since 6 weeks. If I klik krita today, I still get Krita bugs from 6 weeks ago. This is not good.
Why is this? Was the KOffice team not too much pleased with the results?
I, as a frequent klik user, would very much appreciate if you would not only supply kliks for the beta 2, but also more regular builds (even nightlies) in the future.
I think it would benefit the KOffice development too.
By klik-er at Sat, 2006/03/11 - 6:00am
Re: Why are there no kliks available?
It's simple, and has nothing to do with the KOffice developers: there are no kliks because the person preparing the Debian packages was too busy in this timeframe. It's all a matter of resources. We would like to have nightly kliks, but we don't have the resources to prepare Debian sid .debs nightly. If someone could help us with that, we'd shower that person with gratitude.
We love quick user feedback on new features, new bugs and regressions!
Re: Why are there no kliks available?
What kind of resources are needed for a nightly build? Is it just machine power? I'm kind of busy myself but am willing to look into how much time it would take and maybe contribute based on how much time I have.
By sleepkreep at Sat, 2006/03/11 - 6:00am
Re: Why are there no kliks available?
Machine power and a little knowledge of how debian packages are built.
has really come a long way. I never really liked GIMP but got used to
1) When you resize an image (not scale) you cannot center the image.
Re: Krita...
Then you should really try this beta. It works very well here already and is _much_ more stable. Great work.
By anon at Sat, 2006/03/11 - 6:00am
Re: Krita...
"you can zoom up to 1600%"
By klik-er at Sat, 2006/03/11 - 6:00am
Re: Krita...
1) Perhaps you use 1.5, here (1.4) there is no option to automatically
Stability is already sufficient here for my basic needs.
Re: Krita...
> I'm just that close to do a dpkg --purge on GIMP.
Why do people always want to purge non-default-toolkit-apps?
And yes, Gimp (and all other non-kde-applications) run very nice with KDE.
And if you don't like the gtk file dialog, see
This is not against Krita. I only aske myself why recently the look of applications has became so important that (Gnome *and* KDE) people are proud if they can purge full featured programs. It's a strange habbit in a free software world.
Re: Krita...
"Why do people always want to purge non-default-toolkit-apps?"
Maybe he doesn't like the Gimp, and if he had a replacement (possibly Krita 1.5) he wouldn't have a need to keep the Gimp around. With Krita 1.5 I may also be able to remove the Gimp from my system (I can't stand the user interface, it has to be one of the worst ever).
By Corbin at Sun, 2006/03/12 - 6:00am
Re: Krita...
Don't be silly, Krita at least needs one or two years to reach the feature-completeness and maturity of Gimp. And I'm sure that Krita *never* will contain *each end every* feature of gimp - do you really want to reinstall gimp if you nedd one of those features?
The only rational reason I can think of is to uninstall gimp to free some MByte of harddisk space...
Btw. the user interface of Gimp 2.3 has improved quite a bit...
By max at Sun, 2006/03/12 - 6:00am
Re: Krita...
>Btw. the user interface of Gimp 2.3 has improved quite a bit...
Is it still using many windows? Then it isn't enough for me. Since that's the only major problem, I've with the GIMP.
By Morten at Sun, 2006/03/12 - 6:00am
Re: Krita...
1. Kwin has better support for multi-window applications like Gimp.
Re: Krita...
This discussion is going on for years. Talk all you want but accept
Re: Krita...
By Martin Zbořil at Mon, 2006/03/13 - 6:00am
KWords Tables
I've tried to use KWord many many times, but until it's very rudimentary table support improves to be more on par with open office or ms office it's going to continue to be unusable for me.
By Tables4All at Sat, 2006/03/11 - 6:00am
notice the size decrease (41mb->36mb on src) - its mostly because of reduction of screenshots to 8bit depth (except for colour select dialogues and krita images)
By Nick at Sat, 2006/03/11 - 6:00am
Re: size
Nice tool to transform 32bit PNGs to (smaller) 8bit PNGs with optimized colour palette:
Re: size
yes, i used it, then optipng :)
anyways, its a bit disappointing that light green becomes just black after pngnq (on OK button giph) :(
By Nick at Sat, 2006/03/11 - 6:00am
Handling of embedded objects and the KO-shell
I'd like to see the handling of the embedded KOffice objects improved.
For example, when I've got a KWord document with an embedded Kivo flowchart or KCalc spreadsheet which also contains some text. When I try to search for that text from the main document, it isn't found because it's not in the main document (the KWord text file). To find these, I would have to enter every frame and search there again (and Kivio itself can't even search). Unpleasant for working, and could be hindering for scripts. Just checked with the first beta.
Also, calling the programs from the KO-shell or opening an embedded frame really clutters the main window with the programs and their toolbars.
By 7sec at Sat, 2006/03/11 - 6:00am
Re: Handling of embedded objects and the KO-shell
The first problem is not going to be solved before 2.0. It really needs a bit of redesign. Currenly, my house is filled with KOffice hackers trying to arrive at a common solution for graphical objects. Perhaps I'll organize another one for finding a solution for the text problem. Because you're right, of course, we really want to do that.
The second problem I don't see. The KOShell bar is about 70 pixels: you cannot be working on a screen with 280 pixels horizontal, right? And if you don't like the way koshell works, start the applications separately. A bigger problem is trying to fix the flicker when switching apps, but David Faure is working on that for KDE4.
Re: Handling of embedded objects and the KO-shell
Well my screen is a bit bigger but the German translation for Kivio is quite long (Flussdiagramme & Diagrammbearbeitung), though again, the font-size set in the Klik-file is 1 or 2 points smaller than usual.
By 7sec at Sat, 2006/03/11 - 6:00am
Re: Handling of embedded objects and the KO-shell
Ugh, that looks just broken. In the last two images, the ko-shell frame ends up between the a toolbar and the rest of the app. It should at least stay to the far left, and not mix itself up with the application.
By Morty at Sat, 2006/03/11 - 6:00am
Re: Handling of embedded objects and the KO-shell
Who's the brain behind the translation of application names?
Kivio is Kivio and not "some program to create flow charts and diagrams"!
Nobody ever tried to translate Powerpoint into the different languages MS Office is available in.
A tooltip showing that Krita is a program for raster images should be sufficient. :-)
Re: Handling of embedded objects and the KO-shell
> Who's the brain behind the translation of application names?
You can't only blame the translators. It is also the fault of the developers for tagging those strings as translatable.
By blacksheep at Sun, 2006/03/12 - 6:00am
Re: Handling of embedded objects and the KO-shell
I do not blame the translators. I criticise the fact that application names are translated. Krita, Kivio, Kword, ... are *brand* names, not some random strings which have to be translated.
By max at Sun, 2006/03/12 - 6:00am
Re: Handling of embedded objects and the KO-shell
If you take a closer look, it's not application names at all. KO-shell uses descriptions, in the untranslated version it says Image Object, Flowchart & Diagram, Text Documents,... There are no brand names in KO-shell, only descriptive strings which have to be translated.
By Morty at Sun, 2006/03/12 - 6:00am
Re: Handling of embedded objects and the KO-shell
Right, and I remember that being in response to user demand... The best action would be for people who want to use koshell to set it to icon-only (right-click on the bar).
Re: Handling of embedded objects and the KO-shell
> Right, and I remember that being in response to user demand...
Not every user demand has to be obeyed :-)
> The best action would be for people who want to use koshell to set
The best??
There is an application comparable to koffice-shell: Kontact
Try to hide the text and it becomes much more complex to choose the right icon.
So please don't disable text below icons! Text should be on by default, but only one word per icon.
If you call them "Image, Text, Spreadsheet,...", or "Krita, Kword, Kcalc,.." is your decision. I would opt for the latter one because it's 100% exact (and I dont like Koffice but I like the individual Koffice applications :-P ).
Re: Handling of embedded objects and the KO-shell
I was thinking what users can do right now. Maybe you could add a bug report for koshell to use the name of the application instead of the explanation, Sven could think about it.
Re: Handling of embedded objects and the KO-shell
> If you take a closer look, it's not application names at all. KO-shell uses
You are right, I was on the wrong track because 7second wrote:
But my point still stands: Everyone knows Gnumeric, Abiword, K3b,...
Re: Handling of embedded objects and the KO-shell
> But my point still stands: Everyone knows Gnumeric, Abiword, K3b,...
This is an interesting point: those in positions such as yours often forget that not everybody knows the names of these applications. There are plenty of people who don't care, and don't want to know. They use the computer as a tool, and think in terms of tasks they want to get done, such as burning data to CD, writing a letter, making a diagram and so on.
Some names are sufficiently self-descriptive for those users (KWord, KSpread), but others aren't (k3b, Kivio, Krita). For these people, having application descriptions is an absolute necessity - the machine becomes practically unusable without them.
Whether this lack of association between names and functions is bad or not is secondary. It exists, and needs to be dealt with.
I like Boudewijn's suggestion that the text be configurable (between name and function). The K-menu already is, and can even have both. That's very nice. My suggestion would be to default to showing the function (as it now is) and adding the name as a tooltip; if application names are show, their function should be the tooltip. For no text, the tooltip could contain some combination of both ("name - function" or somesuch).
The problem that affects the German translation is twofold:
-- Steve
By Steve at Mon, 2006/03/13 - 6:00am
Re: Handling of embedded objects and the KO-shell
ask german l10n team to insert a \n in that label:
By Nick at Sat, 2006/03/11 - 6:00am
Re: Handling of embedded objects and the KO-shell
"Skalierbare Grafiken"
"Flussdiagramme & diagramm
By Gert at Sun, 2006/03/12 - 6:00am
Re: Handling of embedded objects and the KO-shell
It seems to be a problem in general that translators don't put much priority on being succinct. Obviously some languages are just more verbose, but still...
By Ian Monroe at Sun, 2006/03/12 - 6:00am
kspread looses information
Just uses spread to read my spreadsheets that I made with older kspread,
By Richard Bollinger at Sat, 2006/03/11 - 6:00am
Videos in KPresenter
It would be great to be able to embed a video in a KPresenter slideshow. Will we see that any time soon?
By An Onymous at Sun, 2006/03/12 - 6:00am
Re: Videos in KPresenter
We started yesterday working on a library that would give that capability for KPresenters, Kivio, Karbon and maybe even KWord and Krita. But it's not going to be soon: it's the stuff KOffice 2.0 will be made of.
Re: Videos in KPresenter
Thank you thank you thank you!
By anon at Thu, 2006/03/16 - 6:00am
where do you want example files?
Where's the best place to post complex files that work in oo.o and fail in koffice? Bugs.kde.org? Koffice mailing list? Here? Or are they not all that useful?
I would love to switch over but my most important spreadsheet (a retail store employee schedule) is impossible to use or even reimpliment in kspread. I consider myself somewhat of a beginner when it comes to spreadsheets so the fact that this one doesn't work is kind of disappointing. :-/
Hell, I'll post it here anyway. Names and sales numbers have been anonymized. Note that the layout is not negotiable-- it is required to exactly match the company's paper form. This file has not been checked in beta2--I don't have the time to compile it myself, so I'll wait until debian unstable has it. In beta1 it was such a complete disaster that I didn't know where to start with bug reporting--everywhere I looked there were more and more things that didn't work right, so I gave up. Here's hoping beta2 will be an improvement!
By brian at Sun, 2006/03/12 - 6:00am
Re: where do you want example files?
The koffice developers mailing list is really the right place, that and/or bugzilla.All developers read the mailing list and bugzilla, but not all developers read the dot.
Re: where do you want example files?
bugs.kde.org would be the best place since it helps us keep things more organised.
Your example spreadsheet is largely messed up in Beta 2 as well. We desperately need more real-world examples of spreadsheets like this, so if you have any other sheets which you could anonymise and make available that would be very helpful.
By Robert Knight at Sun, 2006/03/12 - 6:00am
sharpen dialog is missing
IMO very important filter sharpen is at the moment not usable. I have no option
By Stephan at Mon, 2006/03/13 - 6:00am
Re: sharpen dialog is missing
Can't do anything about that for 1.5, I'm afraid. We're in UI and string freeze and I just cannot add a whole new dialog. It'll have to wait for the next release. You could use the custom convolution filter in the meantime (although that doesn't offer a possibility to save frequently used kernels).
We're also working on an extension plugin pack for Krita that should be released shortly and that already contains quite good blur and unsharp mask filters.
By Boudewijn Rempt at Mon, 2006/03/13 - 6:00am
kde.org showing 1.5 beta1
kde.org is still showing 1.5 beta 1 released. Anyone here that can change this?
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Posted: Fri 07 Oct 2011, 08:43
Post subject: PXE Boot
Subject description: Browserlinux 501 PXE Boot
Hello darkcity
The PXE boot environment is a network boot disktless from a tftp server your computer go until the server and boot from this tftp server without any disk or usb or cd.
thank you for the suggestions but the two ways you suggest don't work for me because on this pxe environment I can't access to a disk to save I have to set the parameters on the boot files.
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Post subject: Puppy has a PXE setup
Puppy has a PXE setup. It was built by JamesBond and
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The enclosed instructions does all the hand-holding. The PC on the LAN that will boot after you setup, does not need a CD/DVD drive or a Hard drive or anything other than a LAN on the Motherboard. Just tested a moment ago with BrowserLinux. It works fine.
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Thanks for this great puppy. It is only recently I stumbled upon it, and it works great. Simple, straightforward.
The only negative I found is that (running frugal from USB stick) mnt/home is not a drive icon on the desktop. This may have been intentionally, but if it is your only file storage location on a discless system......
Great puppy.....
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Posted: Tue 13 Dec 2011, 15:50
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Is it possible to install a simple email application like Sylpheed to Browserlinux?
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Posted: Wed 11 Jan 2012, 10:19
Post subject: Installing to Old Laptop Hard Drive
Martin. I absolutely love this Puppy.... It is incredibly neat and really cool.... Thank you for all your hard work in creating it for us.
I want to permanently install it to my old Compaq Presario Hard Drive (currently running it from a CD) as I want it to completely overwrite any Windows stuff that was there originally. Compaq had created a "recovery" drive which I've not been able to delete yet and I want this to be just a totally Linux machine.
I've had a couple of attempts at doing this but not yet succeeded in getting it to boot from the Hard Drive... Is there a foolproof method? I am not a "hands on" Linux person although I do run Ubuntu only on my Desktop.
Any help would be very much appreciated.
Thank you once again for this wonderful Puppy.
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Post subject: Re: well done
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Volhout wrote:
... recently I stumbled upon it, and it works great. Simple, straightforward.
The only negative I found is that (running frugal from USB stick) mnt/home is not a drive icon on the desktop. This may have been intentionally, but if it is your only file storage location on a discless system......
Great puppy.....
I use the NAS on my LAN for file/download storage. This allows completely disk-free operation on the local system.
On a bench PC that I use for testing, I have a USB that contains SWAP and a small "Public" partition that I share via SAMBA with users on my LAN. This allows a simple fast OS. That PC has been an Internet PC that is stable, fast, open and extremely useful for testing and various other uses.
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Hi I'm trying to add my printer via cups which I installed onto browserlinux but it won't accept...
any thoughts please?
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Posted: Sun 22 Jan 2012, 17:06
Post subject: Install Linux Firewall with BrowserLinux 501?
Subject description: Not sure if Firewall needed or if possible with live cd version?
This is my first venture into the linux environment. I was able to burn the BrowserLinux cd and boot up from it. However, it suggested that I install Linux Firewall ver. 2.orc9 (or something like that). I only want to run BrowserLinux from the cd, so if I choose to install, does it just load into ram memory also, or will it install on the hdd? I would rather not install anything on the hdd, but want to be able to surf safely. Or is the firewall installation only used when installing the program to the hdd? Thanks in advance!
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Posted: Wed 01 Feb 2012, 14:26
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I'm still waiting for an answer to my question in my previous post about whether to install the linux firewall when running Browserlinux 501 from live cd only. Also, since my hard drive partitions (SDA1, SDA2, SDA3) show up on the desktop, even when running from live cd, does this pose a risk? Thanks for answering newbie questions.
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If you are booting/running from CD without a save_file,
you probably have no cause for concern, unless you are
visiting dodgy websites.
If you have a router wired or wifi, or both, you are almost certainly already behind a firewall.
However, another firewall does no harm and may add an additional layer of security.
So, by all means, run the puppy firewall wizard and select the no questions option.
It all runs in ram anyway (assuming you have 256mb+ ram)
Your HDD and partitions are not accessible until you mount them (ie - click on the icons to see what's there) As long as you un-mount them again, they are safe.
If you like have a small save_file to keep settings persistant, just make a clean back-up copy and put it in a safe folder somewhere, before going on the internet.
If ever you have what looks like a problem, delete the origional save_file and replace it with the back-up.
(then make another back-up of the clean back-up you are about to use, before using it)
You are good to go again in a matter of seconds. (ie a re-boot)
HTH - welcome to and have fun with Puppy.
Regards - Ray
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Posted: Thu 02 Feb 2012, 00:22
Post subject: Firewall, etc.
Thanks Ray, that's just what I needed to know - appreciate it!
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Post subject: updating firefox
browserlinux is so great, i use it already longtime.
Bedankt Martin!
Now i'm using 501, but when i upgrade firefox (now it's to version 10), then firefox doesn't work good any more, running very slow and halting. If i just keep it on version 5, all goes well.
I tried already many times, and I always have to ho back to a clean start from the live CD, because the upgraded firefox doesn't work
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Posted: Fri 09 Mar 2012, 10:24
Post subject: BrowserLinux 501 Changing Desktop Size
Thanks for BrowserLinux 501, I've installed it on a USB pen and am enjoying it.
But how do you change the desktop size, I've got about a inch on both sides of the screen, xorg is set to 1024x768x24 vega and fills the screen but when the browser is maximized it's much smaller.
Have a great day!
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Subject description: after updating, firefox becomes very slow
After updating firefox from verison 5 in browserlinux 501, to the newest version, that's 11 now, firefox becomes very slow. It happens every time, with every machine that I try it with.
Doesn't anybody else have this problem?
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Location: Richmond, VA
Posted: Wed 06 Feb 2013, 12:27
Post subject: Upgrading firefox in a frugal install
Subject description: understanding what is going on
After updating firefox from verison 5 in browserlinux 501, to the newest version, that's 11 now, firefox becomes very slow. It happens every time, with every machine that I try it with.
Doesn't anybody else have this problem?
Hi bruno, did you ever find the solution to the issue about FF? I have had the same problem and i would like to understand what is going on.
For now my remedy is : Do not update on a frugal install
Can someone explain what really happens when FF is updated on a frugal install ?
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If you have presidential aspirations, it's not too late to enter the 2012 race.
As expected, the Washington Nationals today announced their Presidents Race tryouts for 2012, to be held Saturday, February 18th at Nationals Park.
The Nats are looking for fun-loving team members between 5'7" and 6' 6" in height, who can handle wearing a 45-pound costume for hours, and can run 200 yards in 40 seconds or less (yes, that's with the costume still on).
You must also be available for at least 35 home games this year.
The Nationals have made the racing president auditions a Presidents Day weekend tradition. To score an invitation and your chance to run in the footsteps of giants, you must e-mail a cover letter, resume and recent photo to firstname.lastname@example.com by February 10. Tryouts are closed to the public.
In previous years, candidates have been asked to race against each other, run a 40-yard dash, dance, and show their celebration skills during the tryouts, which are held rain or shine (Two years ago, auditions were held in deep snow).
For a sense of what's in store, check out our video chronicle from last year's auditions:
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