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Thursday, September 16, 2010
Crostata with Pears, Apples, and Taleggio
There wasn't just cheese in the filling, there was also mascarpone in the crust. The dough was made in a food processor by combining flour, salt, sugar, and butter. It was pulsed until the butter was coarsely mixed into the flour, and mascarpone and lemon juice were added. The machine was pulsed a few more times, and then it was left running briefly while ice water was added. The dough was wrapped and refrigerated for 30 minutes before being rolled out on parchment paper cut to the size of a baking sheet. That was a great tip by the way. By rolling the dough on parchment paper, it was very easy to lift the paper and move it with the dough to a baking sheet in one fell swoop. Then, the dough was topped with a mixed of chopped pears, apples, walnuts, half of the cubed taleggio, a little flour since I was using fresh fruit, lemon zest, cinnamon, sea salt, and honey. The edges of the dough were rolled up and over, and the remaining cubed cheese was scattered on top. The dough edges received an egg wash, and the crostata baked for about 40 minutes.
I will say this is not a dessert for ice cream or whipped cream on the side. It requires no embellishment, but it was delicious with a glass of wine. Nuts, honey, fruit, and cheese were enveloped in a golden, flaky crust, and the warm, sweet flavors were accented by the mildly tangy cheese. It's still about 95 degrees, so I didn't make fall happen, but the flavors made it seem like fall should be coming soon.
Posted by lisa is cooking at Thursday, September 16, 2010
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Ooooh, simply delicious. Love how you added the cheeses for the slight bit of savoury :)ReplyDelete
*kisses* HH
So funny, I had that recipe saved. I love your take on it even better though. Combining cheese with pie is a very good thing.ReplyDelete
Awesome! That is a heavenly combo. Taleggio is one of my favorite Italian cheeses.ReplyDelete
That sounds pretty enticing Lisa. Love that combination, you are so good at baking unique stuff like this.ReplyDelete
Yum! All my favorite ingredients combined, my mouth is watering. Going to save that recipe and bake it too!ReplyDelete
Gosh, the flavors are mouthwatering!ReplyDelete
Yum! These pictures are great. Looks delicious!ReplyDelete
i love what you said about making it fall by baking--i totally do thatReplyDelete
Rolling the dough between parchment paper or cling film makes it very easy as it doesn't stick on the surface and rolling pin. This sounds delicious but I still have to understand the various terms used. What's the difference of a crostata to a galette?ReplyDelete
I saw the title of this post and thought it was a savory tart. Could work as both, don't you think? Maybe tiny slices as a topping on an arugula salad?ReplyDelete
Looks delicious! Love the combo!ReplyDelete
Whoa, you read my mind! I've been wanting to do something very, very similar.ReplyDelete
Your crostata looks really tempting and delicious.
yes, this looks totally perfect for autumn and very rustic :)ReplyDelete
Ivy: Crostata and galette are both used to mean rustic tart. I believe crostata is the Italian term and galette is French. But, galette is sometimes used to refer to a cake as well.ReplyDelete
Dana: At first, I wasn't sure if this was a savory or sweet tart, and it could go either way. For savory, I'd skip the sugar in the crust and maybe just drizzle a little honey over the filling rather than use the full amount. I think it would be great with a salad!
Man, I'm lying low for less than a week and I come back and you've got FIVE posts???? You are blogging woman! It's funny, I saw Giada's crostata and thought, "I bet Lisa cooks this". Well, almost. This version looks wonderful too, and I'm so ready for the autumn culinary color!ReplyDelete
Here I come fall - and here I come crostata. This looks like a great way to start the Fall season.ReplyDelete
Wow, Lisa! I missed that episode. What a fabulous fall rustic tart...using both pears and apples! And I LOVE the cheese!ReplyDelete
This looks so delicious. I see a lot of various tarts when perusing food blogs but have yet to try one. Yours looks mouth watering! Great pictures!ReplyDelete
I'm kinda done with summer, really. And if making this crostata would help make fall come more quickly, then I'm in! I know Taleggio goes very well with pears and am curious to find out what would happen with apples in the mix. I'm thinking, awesome!ReplyDelete
Your savoury crostata , I love it a lot!! I love these tasty combined real flavours in here,...ReplyDelete
Indeed, ..give me a good glass of wine & I will have the perfect evening with my husband!
Your crostata has a total autumn look! I would love a glass of Procesco to go with a large slice of this gorgeous crostata.ReplyDelete
This looks fabulous! Now I'm craving pastry!ReplyDelete
What a brilliant Crostata. I'm a huge fan of a dessert that has a touch of savoury running through its veins :)ReplyDelete
i've always been kinda put off by fruit and cheese together in desserts dishes. i wish i knew why--i feel like i'm missing out on some good stuff!ReplyDelete
I might have to pretend that this is actually a savory dish...and eat it for lunch! Looks delicious and it really screams FALL.ReplyDelete
Sounds like a delicious dessert balanced with cheese in its filling. Pictures are so gorgeous that they make me drool!ReplyDelete
So pears are here? I need to hit the markets. I've been thinking about a pear dessert myself. This looks delicious. And a mascarpone crust- that sounds and looks divine!ReplyDelete
I'm still gorging on the last of summer's plums. When those are gone, I'll be reaching for the pears and this recipe. ;)ReplyDelete
That's so funny! I saw the same episode and was so intrigued with the crust that had mascarpone in it. Something put me off about hers though - maybe the dried apricots as they make me think of granola. You did a fantastic job with this - I have a feeling it would top Giada's:) Thanks for sharing!ReplyDelete
O that looks so lovely Lisa and those flavors sounds absolutely delicious together. Very autumnal indeed!ReplyDelete
love rustic desserts like this, especially the addition of cheese!ReplyDelete
Oh my goodness, I bet this was phenomenal with the sweet and salty savory from the cheese. Totally sounds like my kind of dessert. What a wonderful idea making use of all the wonderful bounty of the CSA. Cannot wait to try it for myself.ReplyDelete
Mmm, this sounds and looks delicious!ReplyDelete
Wow, this is a beautiful crostata...great flavors :)ReplyDelete
I must've been away while you posted this!ReplyDelete
How could I miss this one?
Beautiful crostata or galette!
Wow, the cheese sounds so delicious - yay for apples and fall!ReplyDelete
such a great combination of flavors!ReplyDelete
I love Tallegio cheese...melted in crostata with apples and pears, sounds amazing :)
- AnonymousSeptember 29, 2010 at 1:37 PM
my fiancée and i were watching Pushing Daisies the other night, and one of the pies featured in the episode was pear in a double-layer Gruyère pastry crust. that sounded great, and this might even sound better! Taleggio is such an amazing cheese.ReplyDelete
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Washington, D.C.'s football team has been under increasing criticism for keeping an old team name that's a racial epithet. I usually don't say it. I will now - for the purposes of information. The Washington Redskins. That name's been hotly debated, criticized for being a racial slur, but defended by the team's owners as actually being a kind of tribute to Native Americans.
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SIMON: Is there anything to be learned from Washington, D.C.'s professional basketball team? It used to be the Bullets, and Abe Pollin and the owner thought that's a little awkward with the murder rate so high, so they changed the name to Wizards. They still lose, but did it enhance the franchise or not?
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SIMON: Kurt Badenhausen, senior editor at Forbes Magazine. Thanks so much.
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The Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community is writing a new chapter in its history of ball courts as it announces Salt River Fields at Talking Stick, the new Spring Training facility for the Arizona Diamondbacks and Colorado Rockies.
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Hi Seiryu,
Thank you.
Hans, long ago, made this comment about Alan Watts ...
I think that is the general consensus. Also, scholarship on Zen, and its understanding in the West, has progressed so much (yes, there is progress in some forms of Zen understanding!) since the 1950s and early 1960s. Western books from that time, and Mr. Watts, are worth a read if that is kept in mind. However, many books from those decades must be treated with some caution.... although Alan Watts was a very good writer stylistically, I personally really wouldn't recommend his stuff when it comes to reliable historical and/or spiritual information. He had a great way of communicating certain concepts (at least from what I've seen and read), but he definitely didn't live according to any of the principles he discusses in his books. IMHO (please feel free to disagree at any time - no offense intended), what you get with Mr. Watts' books is first and foremost Mr. Watts' view of the world.
I love Alan Watts, but he himself once described his way as a 'philosophical entertainer.'
Only knowing Alan Watts from his writings and what has been written about him, I will say that he did not fit anyone's image of a saint or holy man ...
And certainly, back in the 50's and 60's, there was sure a lot of misinformation and half-informed opinions about what this whole "Zen whatever' is about, and Alan spoke often as a man of his times. You do have to take his books with some care for that reason. As I understand, he did not actually sit Zazen very much, and indulged in LSD and alcohol a lot more.
But, ya know, the man was a gifted teacher with a way of expressing things that few others have had before or since. He was a great teacher and crazy/sane holy man,
Gassho, Jundo
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Jundo, thanks for explaining about alan watts. He deserves some credit for introducing zen to many westerners. Besides his personal flaws IMO and speculation he may have mistaken enlightenment with some psychological state. Anyhow, if he had praciced more and did drugs and alcohol less he may have been healthier and lived longer for the benefit of all beings.
This was good! Thanks for posting.
Gassho! Thanks for posting, both the video and the link about Alan Watts. I've read a number of his books (hey, one is a number) and enjoyed it.
LOL The uptight school of Western Buddhists who seem to believe that Zen is essentially sitting on your ass for interminable hours.." ... presumably the same ass with which one can learn to drink water... which I didn't realize was a benefit of mind control but do look forward to.. : P
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I have tried to listen to his talks before, but I was never able to finish listening to them. His style of teaching does not appeal to me for some reason. It's nothing against him personally, I just don't connect like I do with other teachings or talks.
I loved this! After my many years of philosophy and philosophy of science courses, I had to smile throughout! Gassho for the post! :lol:Originally Posted by chugai
You completely miss the point about Alan Watts! Suzuki fumed with a sudden intensity. You should notice what he has done. He is a great bodhisattva
- Crooked Cucumber, David Chadwicks biography of Shunryu Suzuki Roshi.
Alan Watt's style of writing has the effect of making people who read his books think they are Enlightened because they read his books. His way of invoking a sense of inter-connectedness and non-duality can be inspiring, and that inspiration seems to be taken as some kind of kensho. I've known people who never had any inclination to develop a serious practice, but who loved Watt's and thought they were Enlightened, even though they were completely lost in reveries all the time, and were always jumping from one distraction to another trying to fill up. They would say it was a wei wu wei thing. Different strokes.
ed, didn't watch the vid... but have read his books.
Alan Watts was surely able to inspire many people and had a great way of talking the talk and being a very convincing hippie era sage. However once I came across a number of details about how he actually lived his life in certain ways, I decided not to invest any more time in his literary work. I personally like to invest most of the time I have in getting to grips with what people taught who were all about Buddhadharma...I think it can be very confusing for beginners especially to begin with eccentric POVs (no matter how brilliant they might be). If I want to learn about and practise catholicism, I'll look to catholics first of all
A few years down the line however it can make great sense for people to re-visit writings of people like Watts to shake up one's own orthodoxy....but to get a more intimate knowledge (and more importantly an introduction to the practise) of Zen, one should mainly stick to Zen guys and gals in the beginning IMHO.
I'm just making this point because part of the reason that Zen has become such a hopelessly meaningless term nowadays has to do with the fact that some of the most popular "definers" of the term are/were not really representative of the main currents of Zen but just managed to sell loads of books.
Btw. the following is a great and fun book that busts quite a few myths:
http://www.amazon.com/Turn-Off-Your-Min ... 0971394237
Hans Chudo Mongen
Hans - I totally agree with you - but that 60's current of what constitutes Zen still runs strong, and has morphed into something far more
'polished' and seductive.
To begin with it morphed into humanistic psychotherapy - when I was training (in the late 80's) I took in my fair share of all of that - but I grew disenchanted.
Fortunately - half my training was psychoanalytic - and I realised the humbling affect of simply sitting quietly with another human being, not saying much - allowing a space,
an 'emptiness' if you like - to open up. For me this felt authentic. I am not saying this is Zen - but it is closer to it than what passes for Zen in some quarters of the 'human potential' movement now.
I think part of my recent confusion has arisen because over the past few weeks I'd re-visited some of the 'main players' in the humanistic field, and discovered that there are even wilder theories out there - of 'instant' enlightenment, etc etc. I felt disturbed that Zen has been appropriated in this way.
The result - too much noise - too much debate in my mind.
I see this site as a touchstone - a portal to a more authentic way - transparent - open.
Thank you, That video makes me feel that's a way of freedom in de middle of suffering, I knew that, but my heart felt an encouragement
Yang Hsin
While I think it is understandable that there are aspects of Alan Watt's life that we find unappealing (alcoholism, drug use, multiple marriages..) I think we should examine him in the context of his intellectual and cultural contributions, which I think are his most significant.
Watts believed that "no intelligent person should restrict himself to artificially segregated fields of spiritual or intellectual adventure. And I believe this to be his primary contribution to Western intellectual life which has had a long tradition of building walls among intellectual disciplines, at the loss of seeing the whole or larger parts of the whole.
Its been mentioned that Watts helped break up the orthodoxy of inherited Zen. I would argue that all and any attempt to break down orthodoxies inevitably come with excesses. The Cultural Revolution in China was largely a response to the inherited Comintern-Soviet orthodoxy, and had very visible excesses.
The Reformation and Calvinist excesses during that period are well document as well. Breaking orthodox always involves excesses and experimentation. Its notable that a Zen reformation was not a violent one.
I think many of us would agree that Zen needed a movement against orthodoxy - inherited Zen had a history of militarism with a fusion of Japanese imperialism, institutionalization, long and heavy rituals (however valuable they were) and obvious profit motives in the death industry.
So in this context people influenced by Zen promoters like DT Suzuki, listened and learned and then made Zen something their own by brushing off the idiosyncratic aspects of Japanese Zen and used what remained to launch what Alan Ginsberg called a Spiritual Revolution in the West, and I think a very important one.
So I agree with Suzuki Roshi when he says You completely miss the point about Alan Watts! if you cast him aside as just an entertainer without content.
I agree. A great Bodhisattva.
No need to judge his faults or (lack of?) depth of realization.
At the same time I agree with Hans. For the beginner, the only fool proof method for choosing literature or a teacher is to look at how the author/ teacher is living his life, realizing the Dharma. For the more experienced student this may not be as important, but I could be mistaken.
Hellos to all posting here!
The trend these days is to speak belittlingly of Alan Watts. I would like to point out that during the context of his times, Alan Watts took what was acknowledged as cool and hip--the Beats--who took a narrow interpretation of zen as wide open zen-is-freedom-and-freedom-means-anything-goes--and was more 'responsible' if you will at 'splaining various concepts. His ability to explain Eastern concepts for Westerners reminds me a bit of Carl Sagan and Michi Okaku (astronomical 'entertainers' if you will) who spoke eloquently of astrophysics in a manner graspable to those with limited background.
As far as his life-style: he was not a zen priest. He did not in any way falsely represent himself as anything other than what he was. His private life as such is his own business, not mine. I have never heard that he behaved irresponsibly toward anyone. Whatever agreements he had with his wife and/or others in his life belongs to them.
As far as use of alcohol/drugs I have two words: The Era. In the context of the Timothy Leary generation, Watts is tame.
Something comes through in the tapes I have heard of his talks. What is that something? Does it make me want to drink alcohol? no... does it make me want to use drugs? no.... does it make me want to smoke cigaretts? no... does it make me want to get married and have affairs? no...no...
It makes me want to understand more. His talks relax me, and pique my interest. His talks allow me to look freshly upon that which I take for granted...
so--in gratitude to a philosophical entertainer and stand up zen buddhist!
Alan Watts.
Thank you.
In gratitude to all teachers
past, present, and future.
To those with and without pedigrees from recognized lineages...
if not for the many teachings which have touched me, have struck a cord within, have helped keep this egg warm,
where would I be now?
Please.Originally Posted by Keishin
Ed. Hi Keishin. I should say more than just a snarky sounding "Please" , and explain further. A perceived trend says something about those who are perceived to be part of that trend, and that involves a lot of assumptions, in this case about how those who have come to a view, have come to it. View-trends are like memes, fleeting, superficial, reflexive things. But views may be come by, regardless of trends, based on all kinds of experiences of who-knows-how-much depth and history.
Thinking through the crux of this discussion.
Is it skilful to separate the 'personhood' of an author/teacher - from the work/teachings? Or - If we perceive the person to be flawed in their 'lived life' is it skilful to judge? In judging do we lose sight of the fact that we are all flawed and perhaps this person is merely reflecting back the fragility and flawed nature of human life.
Should we only regard 'the words on the page' - the teachings - and ignore the life of the teacher all together.
I don't have an answer to this.
Kershin - I took on board your final comment 'where would I be now without many teachings?' I mentioned in an earlier post my disenchantment of some teachings I
had been involved with/influenced by. But no - your words resonated with me because whatever my relections then/and now - I did grow/learn through those experiences. ..... but another voice says 'well - I was lucky' - because sometimes individuals get hurt.
Kojip - could you write a bit more on 'view trends are like memes'....
In another thread:
In this thread:Originally Posted by Kojip
Views are just views and we are all formed and transformed by our experiences.Originally Posted by Keishin
Truth is, none of us knew the man. From the little I know about him, he never tried to market himself as an enlightened Zen master, like Dennis Genpo Mertzel did, and should not be judged as one. I choose to believe that he was spreading the Buddha's Dharma the best he could and in so doing made an important contribution in explaining difficult eastern buddhist concepts for westerners. For me, therefore, he was a great Bodhisattva. But it is just a view and not very well grounded. Like everything, it will change.
Sure. I do not mean Meme as used in the Spiral Dynamic model of value-view unfolding (which is interesting but has unfortunately been completely appropriated by the Integral movement). I was thinking of an internet meme, where a view or feeling or sensibility or image can rapidly evolve as it sweeps across the online world, then departs. Here is an example of an internet meme being tracked. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/trololo-russian-rickrollOriginally Posted by willow
... thanks Kojip - I have looked that up - and then got sidetracked into Spriral and Integral theory!
Back to shikantaza - need to clear my mind.
Sorry!! Spreading the monkey mind around again
I owe Watts this: In The Way of Zen, he made clear the difference between conventional and unconventional knowledge. Before reading The Way, I had a bad tendency to dismiss or belittle unconventional knowledge. Getting a grip on the difference opened me up to Eastern philosophy in a new way. And, not incidentally, convinced me that it was worthwhile to get my butt on the cushion.
Thanks for digging up this old thread!
My two cents on "Alan Watts":
As was said above, Alan Watts didn't claim to be a Zen master. When you listen to his talks (there is an excellent collection called "You're It!") or read his book "The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are" you see that he mixed traditions/practices in his personal life. He "combined" Zen, Taoism, Hinduism and other practices. IMHO the reason for this becomes apparent in some of his talks: He considered these practices as a means not as the goal, they were fingers pointing to the moon, not the moon themselves. He warned that one should not to get attached to a certain practice.
Even Abbot Muho from the Soto monastery Antaiji said in a documentary something like "I believe there are other ways to enlightenment than Zazen. I don't claim it is the only way. And I am even not sure whether it is the easiest way for everybody."
Nevertheless, he chose this way for himself.
Yes, Alan Watts was not someone who strictly followed one tradition. He had his faults, but who hasn't?
However, this does not mean we cannot learn something from him. I have found his talks and books quite inspirational.
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I've watched a few small excerpts of Alan Watts' work on youtube and thought they were really cool. Then when I read his works I was less impressed. It seems that, as happens with movie trailers, all the "best parts" were made into short videos already. That being said, I really liked a few of his videos where he tries to get people to understand that they are not separate from the universe, it is a simple scientific fact that we are the big bang, we are star dust, we are the planet. We may not feel like it, but we certainly are. Anyone who helps get that across is doing good work to me. One of my favorite discussions is when he talks about how we aren't amazed when an apple tree apples because that's what they do, well the earth is doing the same thing, it peoples. Peopling is what it does.
I don't care for his stance on drugs and alcohol mixing with spiritual insight. I'm not against casual drug and alcohol use if that's what someone digs, but he seems to make an error in thinking that drugs and alcohol can lead to "enlightenment." As a non drug user I can't refute or explain his experiences. However, If I used drugs for insight, I would always be scared that my insight had nothing to do with reality. For an analogy, lets say you are young, shy guy who has a hard time picking up girls at a bar. You drink a few drinks and loosen up. You drink a few more and you meet a girl and go home with her. On the way out the bar you tell your buddies that you are leaving. You are proud and you think to yourself "man, I've got this game figured out!" Then the next morning you wake up in a trailer park with an unattractive, crazy, 40 year old divorced cat lady whose kid is jumping up and down on the bed screaming "new daddy!" Suddenly you realize that all your inner realizations, all your confidence, and your new "game" were all wrong. The booze was a lie. I imagine that any insight gained trough drugs could be the same, only you may never "wake up" to see if it comported with reality or not.
If I'm already enlightened why the hell is this so hard?
I read the books mentioned before learning Buddhist practice.. and as already said, they draw from different traditions. What they instructed me to do was to look at, and recognize, already existing oneness, and of already being-the-flow , regardless. This was in line with the Advaita Vedanta I was familiar with at the time. When I began to learn Buddhism (not Zen at the time) it was a surprise to see that these things were not the emphasis at all. The emphasis was on seeing into the nature of Dukkha, while pointedly, importantly, dropping the inherent limitation of ontological concern. Is non-dukkha oneness? or not-twoness? or being the flow? or "It"? ...Can't say. It is non-Dukkha. When I came to Zen practice some Advaita sounding language came back, but it was in the context of Dukkha and Non-dukkha, and that made a world of difference for me, because then practice became more than just saying to myself "I'm already it" without even touching deeply ingrained, greed anger and ignorance. That's my flawed sense of things anyway.. and those readings were a long time ago, so they may be remembered poorly.
Gassho. kojip
Hi Charles,
What a cool (and graphic) comparison!
I totally agree with you on the drug thing. I think several people experimented with LSD during that era.
Taking substances in order to achieve a certain goal seems unnatural to me...
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Hi kojip,
Doesn't Oneness contain even Dukkha?
Perhaps when one really realizes ones true self (i.e. not just a mere theoretical grasp), it is a way to "overcome" Dukkha. By accepting it as part of life and finding a way "somewhere in the middle".
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Thank you Seiryu for the video and everyone for this discussion
After high school one of my friends gave me The Way of Zen to read,we spent many a night talking about the concepts in it. It opened my young mind to thinking outside the box that school and our culture tried to put us in. Alan's writing got me started thinking about meditation and it got me on the winding zig zaggy path my life has been.
I reread The Way of Zen this summer and I was surprised how much of the concepts in the book had stuck with me over the years. I am glad to read Suzuki Roshi thought of him as a Bodhisattva
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Chitech CT-PC89E
- Current status: GPL Violation by Chitech, in negotiations.
- Current kernel reverse-engineering status: partial (useable). Screen, USB, Keyboard, Mouse, Ethernet are all working (proviso: with the DS2431 EEPROM storing the MAC code and no driver for reading it yet, a random MAC is currently created on each boot)
The CT-PC89E is a low-cost netbook with an 8.9in 1024x600 screen, weighing only 720 grammes (0.72kg). In size it's approximately 23.5 x 16.5 x 2.5 cm (9.25 x 6.5 x 1 in). Its 667mhz Samsung S3C6410 embedded ARM CPU is on a factory-upgradeable SO-DIMM which also has, in the standard low-cost option, 256mb of RAM and 2gb of NAND Flash. The rest of the features are pretty much "standard" fare for a low-cost netbook: 2x USB2, stereo speakers, microphone, SD-Card slot, headphone and microphone sockets, and 802.11 WIFI. A low-cost (0.3mp) built-in Webcam is available as an option ($USD 2 for a 20,000 units order). To further save on cost, there is a micro VGA output, but by default the IC to enable it is again optional (again, $USD 2 for a 20,000 order). Also, the design has two internal USB2-capable (only) PCI-express slots, which can take 50x30mm PCI-e cards. One is occupied with the RALink RT2070 WIFI, whilst the other is designed to take a 3G or an EDGE modem: there is even a slot for a SIM card (next to the SD card slot).
As this machine is very new, only a few brave Debian-ARM souls have bought it so far, direct from the factory in China, in order to evaluate it and help re-engineer it. We're aware that one other U.S. customer has ordered a batch of them, thus guaranteeing its production over the next few months (as of Feb 2010). The nice surprise is that far from being truly dreadful, the embedded OS on the device, from http://mid-fun.com is actually pretty good: it's called MOS and the web site is here: http://mid-linux.org. As of yet, we've been unable to reach Mid-Fun to get them to provide the root password and the GPL source code of the OS, but that's okay because we've discovered three security flaws in two days, each of which gives full root access to the machine. (24feb2010: by running "john" on the DES64/64 root passwd entry, we've established that the root password is mos2010)
So, at this early stage, for more information please contact mailto:email@example.com, mailto:email@example.com or Asia Sourcing http://www.asiasourcing.net/ and as soon as we find or hear from a retail outlet or a distributor brave enough to sell these systems we'll let you know.
Also worth noting: we're currently asking the factory for a price on engineering an SO-DIMM with 512mb of DDR2 RAM and an 833mhz Samsung ARM Cortex A8: the S5PC100, which is the same CPU as used in the iPhone 3G. This would ironically not only reduce the price of the system, because DDR1 RAM is actually more expensive than DDR2, but also give it a huge performance jump, without increasing power consumption (the S5PC100 is a 45nm part and the S3C6410 is 65nm).
The mailing list is presently being kindly hosted by Alain Williams, at http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook
There is a description of the system, and photos (internal and external), here: http://lkcl.net/arm_systems/CT-PC89E
Info Pages
- CT-PC89E_Debian
- CT-PC89E_Bugs
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_SlGTNj4vY
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzzUj8VM1nE
Technical Info
This section contains technical info needed to configure a linux kernel. Taken from kern.log
- LCD Type is: N10116 (innolux?) this is a lie, it's actually a B089AW01 V.1
- DM9000 is at f7600300,f7600304 IRQ74
- fb0 map video memory: ff200000:0012c000 dma=5e200000
- fb1 map video memory: ff32d000:0012c000 dma=5e400000
- fb0 map video memory: ff45a000:0012c000 dma=5e600000
- mmc0 (NAND flash) address 9535
- mmc1 (SDcard) address a95c
- audio: WM9713/WM9714
From this it's been possible to establish that the kernel version is similar to the SmartQ5 MID device, version 220.127.116.11. current status as of 12mar2010 is that boot has been achieved, using the above information, with DM9000 and USB host still not yet correctly initialised.
LCD Data
debianarmel:~# cat /proc/iomem 50000000-5e9fffff : System RAM 50025000-503d1fff : Kernel text 503d2000-5041daa5 : Kernel data 70200000-702fffff : s3c2410-nand 74300000-743fffff : s3c2410-ohci 74300000-743fffff : ohci_hcd 76100000-761fffff : s3c-g2d 77000000-770fffff : s3c-vpp 77100000-771fffff : s3c2410-lcd 77100000-771fffff : s3c-lcd 78800000-78bfffff : s3c-jpeg 7c200000-7c2fffff : s3c-hsmmc0.0 7c200000-7c2fffff : s3c-hsmmc0 7c300000-7c3fffff : s3c-hsmmc1.1 7c300000-7c3fffff : s3c-hsmmc1 7e002000-7e002fff : s3c-mfc 7e005000-7e0050ff : s3c2410-rtc 7e005000-7e0050ff : s3c2410-rtc 7e00b000-7e00bfff : s3c-adc 7f001000-7f001fff : s3c-ac97 7f004000-7f004fff : s3c2410-i2c 7f004000-7f004fff : s3c2410-i2c 7f005000-7f0053ff : s3c-uart.0 7f005000-7f0050ff : s3c-uart 7f005400-7f0057ff : s3c-uart.1 7f005400-7f0054ff : s3c-uart 7f005800-7f005bff : s3c-uart.2 7f005800-7f0058ff : s3c-uart 7f005c00-7f005fff : s3c-uart.3 7f005c00-7f005cff : s3c-uart 7f008000-7f008fff : s3c-ds2431 f7600300-f76fffff : dm9000.0 f7600300-f7600303 : eth0
Kernel Hacking Progress
We're presently negotiating with Chitech, who have officially declined to release kernel source code, and all other source code, on the usual basis that they want their money back from the investment so far, in blatant disregard of the GPL and LGPL licenses. Thus it is necessary to reconsider Chitech until such time as they comply, and thus it is necessary to reverse-engineer the linux kernel and the boot process.
fjp and lkcl have been working to adapt the mer-smartq 22.214.171.124 kernel, which is an amalgam of 2.6.24, samsung's patch and various modifications hard-coded to support the smartq 4in and 7in LCD screens. lkcl has a legally-licensed copy of IDApro and has been using that to reverse-engineer the kernel functions, taking the addresses from /proc/kallsyms on a running machine and matching them to an uncompressed kernel.
So far we have been able to get the 1024x600 LCD panel up and running, and have hacked kernel/printk.c to modify the console line to "tty1" in order to bypass the inability to use ttySAC0 serial console, for debug purposes.
The key hardware that is missing which would make a useful kernel is the GL850G USB hubs. It has not yet been possible to establish how those are fired up. Close examination of the PCB shows that there is nothing connected to Pin 13 (RESET); the next best guess is that there are some GPIOs which are required to be pulled HIGH or LOW, in order to power the GL850Gs.
The Ethernet DM9000 appears to be identical to the standard samsung developer kit: the default parameters worked immediately. However, the MAC address is stored in a DM2431. We have found a patch to the w1 driver which adds support for DM2431, however have not yet used it. Further investigation shows that the SO-DIMM, designed by Seatron, has the DM2431 connected to GPIO Bank N pins, and thus the driver performs bit-level reads and writes using GPIO pullups followed by sleep commands of specific length. There are signs of some extremely weird functions in the disassembly listing, with SHA-1 being used and functions with the word "Secret" in them are not a particularly good sign. It looks like the DM2431 is being used to store keys which are believed to somehow magically be secure.
this function has been hacked to read from the S3C ADC. GPIO bank N pin 2 is set to cfgpin of 0 and pullup of 0, following which a function GetAdcValue is called. it is therefore quite likely that the ADC input is multiplexed for multiple purposes. there appears to be no sign of mutex locking or configuration around the GPIO bank N pin setting, thus making it entirely likely that corrupted values will be read due to race conditions.
the s3cfb_set_brightness function uses a PWM timer, s3c6410_timer_setup channel 0, which uses GPIO Bank F, Pin 14, as a PWM. this timer is botch-reset in the arch_reset() function, which has been hacked about and _should_ be using the watchdog timer, but is not.
arch_reset, in include/asm-arm/arch-s3c2410/system.h, should be used to do a watchdog reset. instead, it has been hacked about to reset GPIO Bank H Pin 8 and GPIO Bank F Pin 14 (the PWM for the backlight).
So far we have been able to establish that the standard bootpImage boot process works absolutely fine. This has been established by
- unpacking the zImage_dt_update with dd if=zImage_dt_update of=vmlinuz_zimage_update bs=1 skip=13428 followed by zcat
- extracting the initrd by searching for a 2nd zcat signature, which is at offset 78848
- noting that the initrd is a compressed CPIO filesystem
- adding initrd_phys-$(CONFIG_MACH_CTPC89E) := 0x50800000 to arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/Makefile.boot
- compiling with make bootpImage with INITRD=<file.gz>
This last step recreates the exact same process used by Chitech to create the zImage_gt_update. The next step is to create an alternative initrd, such that e.g. Debian-Installer can be packed into it.