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In dozens of states, restrictive laws make it hard to get an abortion
By LINDSEY TANNER, AP Medical Writer
CHICAGO (AP) -- It's legal to get an abortion in America, but in many places it is hard and getting harder.
Just this year, 17 states set new limits on abortion; 24 did last year, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a pro-abortion rights nonprofit whose numbers are widely respected. In several states with the most restrictive laws, the number of abortions has fallen slightly, pleasing abortion opponents who say the laws are working.
Some of the states with the toughest laws are spread across a big middle swath of the country, stretching from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico.
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In South Dakota, which has just one abortion clinic, lawmakers want to extend the required waiting period from two days to three for women seeking to end a pregnancy. Next door in North Dakota, there's only one clinic. The same is true in Mississippi, where a new law threatens that lone clinic's existence. In several states, doctors now must warn women about purported risks from abortion that most scientists reject.
There are hurdles even in states like Illinois, where abortion laws are more lenient and clinics relatively plentiful.
Patients arriving for abortions at a Granite City, Ill., clinic can expect to find their photographs on an anti-abortion activist's website. And before her abortion in June, a Chicago woman says her own gynecologist refused to offer any advice, fearing that just mentioning abortion could endanger her job at a Catholic hospital.
"The level and scope of activity on abortion and family planning is completely unparalleled to anything we have seen before," said Elizabeth Nash, Guttmacher's states issues manager.
"The way people are attacking abortion is distressing because they are getting much more creative the way they're chipping away" at it, said Dr. Renee Mestad, an OB-GYN who provides abortions in upstate New York. Access to abortion isn't much of a problem there. But it was where she used to work in Missouri.
"The ideal thing would be that no one gets pregnant unless they're ready -- that all pregnancies are desired pregnancies, but that's not what happens," Mestad said.
While surveys have consistently shown most Americans support keeping abortion legal in certain circumstances, many people's views are nuanced. A Gallup poll last month found nearly as many voters consider themselves "pro-life" as those who say they are "pro-choice."
And a new Gallup poll released Wednesday found that nearly 40 percent of female registered voters surveyed in 12 swing states consider abortion the most important election issue for women -- even outranking jobs.
President Barack Obama supports access to abortion. GOP challenger Mitt Romney says Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court's nearly 40-year-old decision legalizing abortion, should be overturned, which would allow states to ban abortion.
Anti-abortion attorney Teresa Collett, a law professor at the University of St. Thomas in Minneapolis, says her ideal would be "to live in a country where abortion is not even really thinkable." She'd like to see Roe v. Wade overturned, but even if it is, she said, the debate won't end because it would be up to states to ban abortion.
Some seem to be moving in that direction.
-- More than 30 new abortion laws have been enacted this year, a record topped only by the unprecedented 92 laws last year.
-- Most states -- 41 -- ban abortion after a certain stage of pregnancy, generally around 20 weeks, unless the mother's life or health is in danger. In many of those states, the bans are based on a challenged premise that fetuses that early can feel pain.
-- Pre-abortion counseling is required in 35 states; 26 require waiting periods after counseling, and in 13 states, the counseling must warn women about alleged risks from abortion.
States within the nation's most restrictive region, the midsection, include North and South Dakota, which each have only one abortion clinic and have seen the number of abortions drop slightly since 2008.
And they include Texas, which has the most prescriptive counseling laws -- requiring, among other things, that doctors tell women abortion is linked with breast cancer. A group of scientists convened by the National Cancer Institute in 2003 concluded abortion did not raise the risk of breast cancer.
A Texas law passed last year requires women to get an ultrasound and their doctors to describe the fetus. Texas abortions also have dropped every year since 2008.
Next door, in Oklahoma, state authorities are fighting court action blocking a law with similar requirements. Collett, the anti-abortion attorney, has helped Oklahoma defend the 2010 law. She says it might lead some women to change their minds.
While records from several states with restrictive laws show fewer abortions in recent years, whether there has been a true decline is uncertain. Not all states track the rate -- the number of abortions per 1,000 women of reproductive age. Pregnancies are down, too, in many states, a development some experts link to a weak economy. The most recent national abortion statistics are from 2008. The trend shows the number and rate of abortions have generally leveled off after a long period of decline.
In South Dakota, a new law facing a legal challenge would impose a three-day waiting period. During that time, a woman would have to visit a crisis pregnancy center discouraging abortion. Utah is the only other state with a waiting period that long, but it doesn't require such specific counseling.
In July, a federal appeals court in South Dakota upheld a 2005 law requiring doctors to warn that abortions increase risks for suicide. Scientific research disputes this.
Dr. Carol Ball, at the state's lone abortion clinic, in Sioux Falls, says information she's required to tell patients is "of questionable validity" and designed to make them feel shame and guilt.
"They're throwing hurdles in front of us to see when we stop jumping in front of them. If I stop, it means they win and women of South Dakota lose, and I'm not willing to let that happen," Ball said.
Across the state to the west in Rapid City, Dr. Marvin Buehner cares for women with high-risk pregnancies and does a few abortions each year when pregnancy endangers the patient's life.
He's required to describe each fetal stage and explain that abortion ends the life of a separate human being -- even to women whose fetuses have deadly abnormalities and won't survive.
"It's just incredible," Buehner said.
One of his patients is a 31-year-old woman who gave birth Oct. 14 to a stillborn baby with a rare, inherited and ultimately fatal condition called achondrogenesis, which causes severe deformities. She had two previous babies with the same condition. One was also stillborn, the other died an hour after birth.
She had considered abortion when tests showed this baby, too, was doomed, but couldn't afford the cost. It would have involved traveling nearly six hours to the Sioux Falls clinic. And because her life wasn't at risk, Medicaid in her state wouldn't pay for it, even though it was clear her baby would be born dead or die shortly after birth.
In Illinois, laws are relatively lenient. The Hope Clinic in Granite City in Southern Illinois caters to women from neighboring states like Missouri and Kentucky where it's harder to get an abortion.
Tamara Threlkeld, the clinic's executive director, said despite increasingly difficult access, Hope Clinic has not seen any increase in patients with later-term pregnancies seeking abortions.
Though you'd expect to see that trend, "they're able to find us" early on, she said.
Most abortions occur in the first 12 weeks when the embryo is about the size of a lima bean. Major organs have begun developing, but the embryo at this stage looks nothing like the photographs of mangled fetuses that abortion foes promote. Those pictures generally represent late-term abortions, those after five months, which account for less than 2 percent of abortions.
Women who visit Hope Clinic can expect to find Angela Michael. She is a long-shot Democratic candidate seeking to unseat longtime GOP Rep. John Shimkus in Illinois' 15th District.
Michael is a retired obstetrics nurse who has run TV commercials showing graphic images of dismembered fetuses. She regularly pickets outside the clinic, encouraging patients to change their minds. She also photographs them and posts their pictures on her website.
She said she has compassion for these women but considers abortion murder. The photographs she promotes may not depict typical abortions, but Michael says they sometimes work to persuade women to continue their pregnancies.
"I really didn't go into this race with the hopes of winning. My point was to be the messenger" against abortion, she said.
Some Hope Clinic patients come from Kentucky, where the number of abortions has steadily dropped from almost 4,400 in 2007 to roughly 3,900 in 2010.
Kentucky's only two abortion clinics are in Louisville and Lexington, an hour apart and several hours from some of the state's most impoverished counties. Kentucky requires a 24-hour waiting period, and five of the seven surrounding states also have waiting periods. Public funding of abortions in Kentucky is limited to cases of rape, incest or when pregnancy endangers a woman's life.
Mississippi has similar restrictions and only one abortion clinic, in Jackson, threatened with closure because of a new law requiring providers to have local hospital admitting privileges. State Health Department data show Mississippi abortions have steadily dropped, from nearly 3,000 in 2007 to about 2,200 in 2011. Meanwhile, the number of Mississippi residents seeking abortions out of state grew from fewer than 2,000 a decade ago to at least 3,000 in more recent years, according to data from the state Department of Health.
"Never have times been this restrictive," said Dr. Willie Parker, a Washington, D.C.-based physician who since June has traveled periodically to Mississippi to provide abortions.
Parker said he's often struck by the hardship many women face, and told of a 33-year-old mother of four who lost a child to cancer two years ago. She was unemployed and still grieving when she learned she was pregnant again. The woman traveled three hours to the Jackson clinic to get required counseling in June. Then she had to return the next week for the abortion.
"She told me she couldn't afford to have another child financially or emotionally," Parker said.
He said he doesn't know whether she was using birth control; he doesn't usually ask.
"All I need is to make sure that they're certain" about abortion. Most "have already been thinking about this decision for weeks on end," he said.
Abortion seekers often poor and already mothers
By The Associated Press
Nearly 1 million women get abortions every year. Most say they made that choice because they couldn't afford a baby or having one would interfere with a job, caring for existing children or other responsibilities.
Who are these women?
-- More than half -- 54 percent -- say they were using birth control around the time they got pregnant.
-- Most are unmarried, in their 20s and 30s; 18 percent are teens.
-- More than half are poor.
-- Three-fourths identify with a religion, mostly Protestant; more than 1 in 4 are Catholic.
-- Nearly 60 percent have at least one child.
-- More than one-third are white, 30 percent are black and 25 percent are Hispanic.
Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Guttmacher Institute.


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VOTED! NYC. GO Romney!!!
Manhattan. 2:30 PM and the polling place I go to was lightly attended. Noticed I was #334 on the scanner that (I hope) read my ballot CORRECTLY. Nervously took a picture of the ballot before I left the very exposed 'booth'….noticed that the second language on the ballot is Chinese!Not even Spanish on this one…Go Figure…
Praying we can end the nightmare of Obama. Not even SEIU's stitching-up of their banner TORN by Hurricane Sandy Banner is going to hide the truth
NoBama has broken this country! Don't try to repair it…CHANGE IT! NO MORE Bama.
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- Brand: Benelli
- Model: Tornado 650 S
- Production Year: 1976
- Category (Type of Bike): Not Defined
- Engine Size: 643.00 ccm (39,04 cubic inches)
- Engine Type: Twin
- Engine Horsepower: 45.00 HP (32,64 kW)) @ 6500 RPM
- Compression Rates: 9.6:1
- Stroke: 4
- Torque: N/A
- Starter Type: N/A
- Top Speed: 175.0 km/h (108,16 mph)
- Transmission Type: Chain
- Gearbox Type: 5 speed
- Fuel Capacity: 12.50 litres (3,28 gallons)
- Fuel Control: OHV
- Number of Valves: 2
- Cooling System Type: Air
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- Front Brakes Type: Expanding brake
- Rear Brakes Type: Expanding brake
- Front Tyre Dimensions: 3.50 – 18
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In the new psychiatric manual of mental disorders, grief soon after a loved one's death can be considered major depression. Extreme childhood temper tantrums get a fancy name. And certain "senior moments" are called "mild neurocognitive disorder."
Those changes are just some of the reasons prominent critics say the American Psychiatric Association is out of control, turning common human problems into mental illnesses in a trend they say will just make the "pop-a-pill" culture worse.
Says a former leader of the group: "Normal needs to be saved from powerful forces trying to convince us that we are all sick."
At issue is the fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, widely known as the DSM-5. The DSM has long been considered the authoritative source for diagnosing mental problems.
The psychiatric association formally introduces the nearly 1,000-page revised version this weekend in San Francisco. It's the manual's first major update in nearly 20 years, and a backlash has taken shape in recent weeks:
- Two new books by mental health experts, "Saving Normal" and "The Book of Woe," say the world's most widely used psychiatric guide has lost credibility.
- A British psychologists' group is criticizing the DSM-5, calling for a "paradigm shift" away from viewing mental problems as a disease. An organization of German therapists also attacked the new guide.
- Even the head of the U.S. National Institute of Mental Health complained that the book lacks scientific validity.
This week, the NIMH director, Dr. Thomas Insel, tried to patch things up as he and the psychiatrists group issued a joint statement saying they have similar goals for improving the diagnosis and treatment of mental illness.
The manual's release comes at a time of increased scrutiny of health care costs and concern about drug company influence over doctors. Critics point to a landscape in which TV ads describe symptoms for mental disorders and promote certain drugs to treat them.
"Way too much treatment is given to the normal `worried well' who are harmed by it; far too little help is available for those who are really ill and desperately need it," Dr. Allen Frances writes in "Saving Normal." He is a retired Duke University professor who headed the psychiatry group's task force that worked on the previous handbook.
He says the new version adds new diagnoses "that would turn everyday anxiety, eccentricity, forgetting and bad eating habits into mental disorders."
Previous revisions were also loudly criticized, but the latest one comes at a time of soaring diagnoses of illnesses listed in the manual - including autism, attention deficit disorder and bipolar disorder - and billions of dollars spent each year on psychiatric drugs.
The group's 34,000 members are psychiatrists - medical doctors who specialize in treating mental illness. Unlike psychologists and other therapists without medical degrees, they can prescribe medication. While there has long been rivalry between the two groups, the DSM-5 revisions have stoked the tensions.
The most contentious changes include:
- Diagnosing as major depression the extreme sadness, weight loss, fatigue and trouble sleeping some people experience after a loved one's death. Major depression is typically treated with antidepressants.
- Calling frequent, extreme temper tantrums "disruptive mood dysregulation disorder," a new diagnosis. The psychiatric association says the label is meant to apply to youngsters who in the past might have been misdiagnosed as having bipolar disorder. Critics say it turns normal tantrums into mental illness.
- Diagnosing mental decline that goes a bit beyond normal aging as "mild neurocognitive disorder." Affected people may find it takes more effort to pay bills or manage their medications. Critics of the term say it will stigmatize "senior moments."
- Calling excessive thoughts or feelings about pain or other discomfort "somatic symptom disorder," something that could affect the healthy as well as cancer patients. Critics say the term turns normal reactions to a disease into mental illness.
- Adding binge eating as a new category for overeating that occurs at least once a week for at least three months. It could apply to people who sometimes gulp down a pint of ice cream when they're alone and then feel guilty about it.
- Removing Asperger's syndrome as a separate diagnosis and putting it under the umbrella term "autism spectrum disorder."
Dr. David Kupfer, chairman of the task force that oversaw the DSM-5, said the changes are based on solid research and will help make sure people get accurate diagnoses and treatment.
Dr. Jeffrey Lieberman, the psychiatry association's incoming president, said challenging the handbook's credibility "is completely unwarranted." The book establishes diagnoses "so patients can receive the best care," he said, adding that it takes into account the most up-to-date scientific knowledge.
But Insel, the government mental health agency chief, wrote in a recent blog posting that the guidebook is no better than a dictionary-like list of labels and definitions.
He said he favors a very different approach to diagnosis that is based more on biological information, similar to how doctors diagnose heart disease or problems with other organs.
Yet there's scant hard evidence pinpointing what goes wrong in the brain when someone develops mental illness. Insel's agency two years ago began a research project to create a new way to diagnose mental illness, using brain imaging, genetics and other evolving scientific evidence. That project will take years.
The revisions in the new guide were suggested by work groups the psychiatric association assigned to evaluate different mental illnesses and recent research advances. The association's board of trustees decided in December which recommendations to include.
Advocacy groups have threatened Occupy-style protests and boycotts at this week's meeting.
"The psychiatric industry, allied with Big Pharma, have massively misled the public," the Occupy Psychiatry group contends. Organizers include Alaska lawyer Jim Gottstein, who has long fought against overuse of psychiatric drugs.
The new manual "will drastically expand psychiatric diagnosis, mislabel millions of people as mentally ill, and cause unnecessary treatment with medication," says the website for the Committee to Boycott the DSM-5, organized by New York social worker Jack Carney.
Committee member Courtney Fitzpatrick, whose 9-year-old son died seven years ago while hospitalized for a blood vessel disease, said she has joined support groups for grieving parents "and by no means are we mentally ill because we are sad about our kids that have died."
Gary Greenberg, a Connecticut psychotherapist and author of "The Book of Woe," says pharmaceutical industry influence in psychiatry has contributed to turning normal conditions into diseases so that drugs can be prescribed to treat them.
Many of the 31 task force members involved in developing the revised guidebook have had financial ties to makers of psychiatric drugs, including consulting fees, research grants or stock.
Group leaders dismiss that criticism and emphasize they agreed not to collect more than $10,000 in industry money in the calendar year preceding publication of the manual.
source : http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/05/16/shrinks-critics-face-off-over-psychiatric-manual/


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I am going to ask all my students to take part to the bookclub on the book of equanimity. Shohei, Myozan, Myoku, Dokan, Jinyu should get a copy. Anybody else willing to interact and study with me is invited to show up, now. Dokusan will be based on this book and your understanding will be challenged! In the light of our last winter retreat i will raise my level of expectation, and won t let you get away with much. We will work on the resonnance of each koan in every day life and you will have to get it out of your guts ( not your head! ).
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March 25, 2010
DIY: cupcake in a jar
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they look AWESOME! Yumm!ReplyDelete
Aww, those are so very cute. Oooh, what if you made them w/babyfood jars? I am tempted to buy babyfood just to try it. (I'll let you know if I do...)ReplyDelete
Thank you for this! I am seriously thinking about forgoing a cake at my wedding and having these yummy looking cupcakes instead!ReplyDelete
I LOVE these and am most definitely using this idea for a baby shower I'm planning! Thank you!!ReplyDelete
Your such a clever gal. I am going to try this, it turned out so beautifully. xxx.ReplyDelete
thank you for aharing this awesome DIY! I most definitely will use this for future showers that i'll need to be involved in! It does not look too hard and is soo visually appealing! I love the pics you took of the process too!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousMarch 25, 2010 at 2:37 PM
I just made these for my co-workers and my boyfriend's family after you posted the photos from the shower. Thanks so much for the clever idea! Everyone loved them and I will be making them again... maybe with fun-fetti!ReplyDelete
I don't think you need to bother with the boiling, because you are pretty much just using the jars as a short-term container that won't keep the cupcake and frosting edible for any longer than normal, maybe a few days, and if you WERE baking in the jar, trying to 'can' the cupcake, multiple studies have been done about how un-safe it is.ReplyDelete
So impressive - really love these! Do you deliver?ReplyDelete
- AnonymousMarch 25, 2010 at 6:23 PM
these are so cute!! i wish i had heard of it earlier, so i could have made them as favors for a bridal shower i'm throwing this weekend!!ReplyDelete
can't wait to try them out!
mmm I can't wait to try those out!!ReplyDelete
Love things in jars!ReplyDelete
i love your garden but i was really looking forward to this post... i love it and i can't wait to try it out.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousMarch 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM
The red colour sure came out nicely!ReplyDelete
Yeah, I just kind of fell in love with that red.
thanks for bringing these today for me and ang to eat! :) we are enjoying every bite. (and the extra cupcakes you brought over, too!)ReplyDelete
Yay! Thank you! I had been waiting for this recipe!ReplyDelete
This looks wonderful-I might have to try it with chocolate though ;)ReplyDelete
And -that is such a pretty tablecloth!
Thanks for the fun instructions and great photos! I know what I'll be making for my next party :)ReplyDelete
thanks for sharing! I love paula deen. my daughter and I hope to take a road trip to georgia sometime this summer from our home here in charlotte to visit her restaurant.ReplyDelete
the ones you brought home for us are gone.... and i didn't even try one. :'(ReplyDelete
I can't wait to make these. What a beautiful gift they would make. I want to have a party just so I can make these nwo.ReplyDelete
Thanks so much for posting this!ReplyDelete
thanks for sharing the recipe :) am posting it on my blog now many many thankssssReplyDelete
you should make a badge for your blog than i can put it to my blog as well like you put your sponsors... i want to share your blog witm my visitors...
your baby's photo is on my desktop!everytime i see her, i smile to her! thanks for that!
What a fun idea. I love cupcakes in an fashion!! I just came over from Remodeling this Life... don't know how I've missed your blog? It's fabulous!!ReplyDelete
Hope you come visit me sometime:-)
Duh! I just realized who you were!?? Whoops... I have visited you, just not in a long time and your design looks different. ha! We were both interviewed by Jenn @ Ambrosia Girl a while back. I'm loosing my brain:-) Have a great weekend!ReplyDelete
This is a brilliant idea. I have saved it to my favorites so that I can make them when I need an adorable and delicious party favor! Thanks!ReplyDelete
I made a batch today (sans jar) and they turned out great! So moist with great flavor! Thank you for sharing! :)ReplyDelete
What a fabulous, creative and gorgeous idea. Looks great.ReplyDelete
Oohh! These look so good. You have such good ideas. I'm a new follower. Hop over for a visit sometime. Sandra @sawdustandpaperscrapsReplyDelete
that is sooo cute...also the small ear thing...they...a doctor told her that....she would always have bad hearing? i had never HEARD that before...loving your bloggy...ReplyDelete
Very creative! I love it.ReplyDelete
thanks for letting us know where you got those wooden spoons! i was looking ALL OVER for those at christmas and couldn't find them anywhere! :)ReplyDelete
Hi Rubyellen! Thanks for this cute idea. I did a variation of the jar and blogged about it today. :) http://punkinandbean.blogspot.com/2010/04/cakes-in-cup.htmlReplyDelete
My pregger self wants to eat tons and I mean tons of these! So yummy! You're in the link luv roundup today! Come by for a peek! http://bit.ly/cQKk4FReplyDelete
Being from the south, Red Velvet is my JAM! And i have been in the mood for it lately!ReplyDelete
This is such a pretty and different take on serving it!
I also just saw red velvet pancakes somewhere else and i'm definitely making those on a saturday soon!
- AnonymousApril 7, 2010 at 6:40 PM
OMG, delicious!! I heart red velvet the most!! So excited to try it out!ReplyDelete
oomg this is the cutest idea!ReplyDelete
LOVE this idea!ReplyDelete
I love this idea soooo much! I can't wait to try this! I'll be linking.ReplyDelete
this is killing me with cuteness! and @Heather w/ Dollar Store Crafts : Baby food jars! Awesomesauce!ReplyDelete
What a hit! Finally found a reason to make these delicious cupcakes in a jar! I made them for a surprise birthday party in the park. Basically, an excuse for adults to act like kids...tug-o-war, pinata, ring toss, and a water balloon toss. Perfect picnic dessert! I definitely eyed some of our friends taking 2nds and 3rds. Heads up, you need 2 bottles of red food coloring for the recipe...one will turn them a dingy pink...still delicious. Also, I added some fresh cut strawberries on top!ReplyDelete
This is such a great idea for bday parties, giveaways and recycling.. so beautifulReplyDelete
Got everything I need to make these...and a family reunion to try them out at!!! Thank you for sharing!ReplyDelete
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I'm going to do this for the fourth of july. However, I'm going to divide the cake batter into two different bowls. I'll add red food coloring to one. And blue food coloring to the other. Then I'll layer red cupcake, white frosting, blue cupcake top, frosting. Red, white and blue!ReplyDelete
Another option is a parfait with yogurt. But this cupcake idea is so cute!
I LOVE THIS!!!!!! Bookmarking now! Totally doing this for the 4th of July~ReplyDelete
I've been wanting to make these and now I have no excuse not to! Thanks so much for posting.ReplyDelete
These look so delicious!!!!! :)ReplyDelete
These are so cute! I love this idea for favors at a shower or party! Thank you SO much for sharing -- great tutorial!!ReplyDelete
This is awesome! I've reposted at my blog, Urban DomesticReplyDelete
Wow, these are really cool!! My sister-in-law is doing a Dr. Seuss theme for the nursery for her first baby (YAY!!) and so I'm throwing her a Seuss shower too. These will be PERFECT with the red/white color scheme and I'll throw some turquoise ribbons on or even turquoise maribou around the jars (ala Thing One & Thing Two). Thanks for the great post & inspiration! :)ReplyDelete
These are so cute! I'd love to feature these on my blog sometime soon!! Thanks for the inspiration!!ReplyDelete
so i had to feature these on my blog post today... just adorable - thanks for the inspiration!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJuly 16, 2010 at 6:49 AM
I love these! I'm trying to track my brain to figure out what I can make them for.ReplyDelete
Great Delicious Idea ^_^ReplyDelete
I love this idea!ReplyDelete
That is such a great idea and they are really cute! I am going to try this soon!ReplyDelete
Love this so much! I've been looking around trying to decide what I could do for some party favors for my very small, family only wedding. These look so simple and perfect. Thank you!ReplyDelete
My favorite bakery makes "cake in a cup" that is layered cake and frosting like this as a way to use leftover cake bits. It is always my favorite treat! Great idea to make them as gifts.ReplyDelete
I love this! What a perfect party favor, and it looks soo yummy! Can't wait to share with my readers {www.rivernorthlove.blogspot.com}, thanks for sharing!ReplyDelete
Super fun and delicious! Thanks for sharing!ReplyDelete
I love the colors and the look delish! Thanks for sharing. :)ReplyDelete
Randomly found you on google and so grateful I did! Thanks for sharing this. I posted it on my facebook blog site page.ReplyDelete
OMG, I am so excited to make these! I have a couple of birthdays coming up and this is what they're are getting! Love it!ReplyDelete
Thank you for the idea, I made 10 for my son's birthday as a souvenir and everyone love them. Too cute! Jesica from ArgentinaReplyDelete
These look so yummy...I'm going to post this on my blog to share with everyone and so I never lose this!ReplyDelete
I can't wait to try this out! I think it'll be a big hit with my family.ReplyDelete
Thanks for this lovely idea! - Kim
Hi I am Nicole from Colies Kitchen I found you on a Surfin' Saturday blog hop and wanted to drop by and say hi. I really like your blog, and am now a new follower. I would love to have you stop by Colie's Kitchen if you get a chance. www.colieskitchen.comReplyDelete
What a freaking great idea... heartbreaking to eat, not for me anyway.ReplyDelete
These look delicious!ReplyDelete
nice! twilaphotography.blogspot.comReplyDelete
yum! so so cute and i love red velvet.ReplyDelete
I love this trend in food presentation - I think that jars just make every thing cuter! I am especially crushing on those little spoons! Very cute!ReplyDelete
P.S. that cake song was adorable!
I just wanted to make you aware that someone who has an etsy cupcake store used your cupcake jar photo as her own in order to sell her product. her link is below.
i've already found 3 of her other photos on other peoples blogs and i just thought you should know.
Oh I LOVE this idea. How clever - and gorgeous (and eliminates the mess ;))ReplyDelete
Those are SO CUTE!! I have been scouring the internet looking for cheap, cute, DIY favors for my wedding in April! I think I might just have to do these! My colors are chocolate brown and cream - maybe I can try this with chocolate cupcakes? This would be a great girl's-day project! Thank you so much for coming up with this!!ReplyDelete
Yep. What Ashley said. Just as blatant as can be.ReplyDelete
I only just realized that the aforementioned shop is not the one I thought it was. You have yet another Etsy shop using your pics.
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What a great idea, these cupcakes in a jar. Fantastic presentation! :)ReplyDelete
Such a great idea. SO cute and so glad I found your blog.ReplyDelete
OMG I absolutely LOVE this idea. I think I'm going to do this for my daughter's birthday party. I had planned to do cupcakes instead of a whole cake... this would be even better. Thanks for the tutorial and the links where you got your supplies. I'm definitely bookmarking this one. ;)ReplyDelete
- AnonymousFebruary 13, 2011 at 6:07 PM
This is a very pretty idea! I like this one so much. This is going to be a nice giveaway to parties.ReplyDelete
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Lovely presentation! What size jars did you use? Something you had saved, or able to buy by the case? lolReplyDelete
how many cupcakes can the ingredients make?ReplyDelete
xiang- i don't remember. maybe 24. sorry. when i make this again, i will try to remember!ReplyDelete
Yummy! I featured these on my facebook wall. Thanks for inspiringReplyDelete
Yum! Looking good!ReplyDelete
This looks so delicious and so CUTE!ReplyDelete
So neat! Found you from kojo today =) New follower.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 15, 2011 at 10:37 AM
I love love love this idea. I'm a new follower. I actually found one of your pics on pinterest and tumblr without proper credit. I asked for the source and finally found you. I'm giving you full credit in an upcoming feature for DIY Thursday! It will be on the blog at fiftieswedding.com.ReplyDelete
hiii... i love your blog, what an inspiration...ReplyDelete
i hope you don't mind, me having your link at my blog... all the way from Indonesia... :)
thank youuu
Too pretty to eat!!!! I absolutely love these : ) Red velvet is my FAVORITEReplyDelete
Thank you for the in depth instructions! I referred this DIY to my client. YUM!!ReplyDelete
Since you inspired me so much and my client, I have put you up on my Bright Idea Thursday blog post. Come visit at: http://simplysavannahevents.blogspot.com/2011/08/bright-idea-thursday-cupcakes-in-jar.htmlReplyDelete
These are so cute! I am totally using them as a welcome gift for all of my suite mates at school. Thank You so much!ReplyDelete
Here is my post: SimplySavannahEvents: {Bright Idea Thursday} Cupcakes In A Jar http://bit.ly/qMNtXUReplyDelete
I love this! I'm going to make these for my friends for Christmas! You are so creative.ReplyDelete
These are so beautiful, I love them! I'm going to make these for my friends for Christmas.ReplyDelete
These look like a fun dessert, especially if you're on the go - no more crushed cupcakes! I'm going to feature these on Five Friday Finds tomorrow - please stop by and grab a button while you're visiting!ReplyDelete
sorry - I left the wrong link in an earlier comment - Here's the right one - http://morselsoflife.blogspot.com/2011/08/five-friday-finds_26.htmlReplyDelete
O, YUM! These are so awesome!ReplyDelete
Is this your website too...http://gettingthere.typepad.com/.a/6a01310ff5c36d970c0148c83ab4ed970c-500wiReplyDelete
I see your cupcakes in the top left corner of the page and I was wondering if you make the stuff her too. Beautiful Cupcakes!
What kind and size of jar did you use?ReplyDelete
Can't wait to make these
Love this idea! I see Christmas gifts in the making! Thanks for sharing!ReplyDelete
Love this!ReplyDelete
I saw your pictures over at The Daily Buzz and they didn't seem to mention anything about having permission to republish them. I'm new to blogging, and was wondering in general what is the etiquette for republishing pictures or linking to posts?
My mom used to make red velvet cake for Valentine's Day. What a fun little idea! Thanks for the great tutorial!ReplyDelete
I made this for my Church preschool committee and it was a big hit!! Thanks for the great idea!! I linked up to you!!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousDecember 6, 2011 at 3:23 AM
Love these !!ReplyDelete
Thanks for writing up the tutorial.
I have featured it…along with some other gifts for teachers here….
….if you would like to take a look.
Thanks again for a super cute idea.
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Oh my my, this seem sooo delicious! thank you for the recipe1ReplyDelete
Made them tonight.ReplyDelete
And holy cow- so TIME CONSUMING. Haha.
4 hours.
But they look super cute.
Thanks for the ideas.
Do I boil jars to seal them??ReplyDelete
Do I need to seal the jars by boiling???ReplyDelete
Thanks for sharing such a great idea!!ReplyDelete
love this guide! great blog too :)ReplyDelete
These look great! Question: how long do these cupcakes last in the jars if you bake them in it? I want to send cupcakes to my boyfriend in Afghanistan and this sounds perfect!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJanuary 11, 2012 at 8:49 AM
These look heavenly!! I can't wait to try them! YUM!!ReplyDelete
Wow, this look so good, thanks for the recipe.ReplyDelete
YUMMMYYY!!! :D I will definitely try this one day!!!ReplyDelete
OMG thanks for this! I tried one but the jar was too big (4 cupcakes in a jar? dangerous). So happy i stumbled upon this!!ReplyDelete
This looks just devine. A very clever idea that looks incredible impressive. Thanks for sharing it.ReplyDelete
Would you have any cute suggestions for a non breakable container but still pretty? I would like to make some to ship to soldiers in Afghanistan. I think it would be a cherished treat for them!ReplyDelete
Hey bakes, MY name is Gillian and I do graphic and website design specifically for you talented bakers out there, I even do trade for cupcakes. I've done bakeries from Dubai to NYC. I'm a huge fan of cake art. Bakery boxes & things - http://www.phrizbie-design.com/bakery_logo_designs.html & cupcakes - http://www.phrizbie-design.com/cupcake_logo_design.htmlReplyDelete
interesting! do you also have a post about baby jogger stroller ?ReplyDelete
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Saturday, November 15, 2008
Torture Quests
I was okay with the Death Knight torture quest because it fit the Death Knight thematically. But this one is just out of place. Especially ironic considering the quest giver states, "You see, the Kirin Tor code of conduct frowns upon our taking certain 'extreme' measures - even in desperate times such as these" as the reason he is handing the prisoner over to you to be tortured.
My immediate thought was, "Hello, paladin here!"
It's especially annoying because it's on the main line to Coldarra and the Nexus. If you don't do this quest, you pretty much miss out on the entire Malygos conflict.
As I said before in Stories, Wrong Choices and Death Knights, there is a difference between single-player Western RPGs and MMOs. MMOs must have a shared reality and thus our choices are dictated by the quest designer. The quest designer therefore has the responsibility of making sure our actions are at least somewhat acceptable.
This quest crosses that line, and is a failure on the part of the quest designer.
(Also, you'd think mages would have a spell to force people to tell the truth. That seems like a very common spell in fantasy.)
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In real life, you don't necessarily get rewarded or are left alone if you do the right thing. The right thing can deprive you of significant material advantages, your face not being decked, or getting arrested by authorities.ReplyDelete
Yeah, this is World of Warcraft, but hey. Where's the fun in being a Paladin if there's no pressure to act evil in the face of adversity, instead of shouldering that extra burden to uphold that sense of justice?
- Anonymous7:40 PM, November 15, 2008
Torture quests are not exactly routine on the Horde side, but not uncommon. Realistically, Death Knights should have been restricted to Horde and paladins remained Alliance only, instead of the twisting the whole ethical concept of the classes. That would have meant another regular class with paladin like abilities on the Horde though or keeping shaman Horde only. I wish the hero classes had been faction specific, although that would have meant two initially - which I would have preferred anyway in the name of variety.ReplyDelete
I'd like to point out a little problem here. While you had problems with torturing 1 mage-hunter, you had no problem of killing a dozen before.ReplyDelete
He could fight back before. That's the main difference.ReplyDelete
Also, consider that the Kirin Tor regards it as not good. The quest quite clearly states that the Mage is handing him over to you because he's not allowed to torture. WoW's version of extraordinary rendition.
Regardless, let's just state it as an axiom that for the purposes of Warcraft, torturing a prisoner is morally worse than killing an enemy in combat. I am not really interested in debating morality, as it will just lead to a stupid comment thread.
- Anonymous10:49 PM, November 15, 2008
My immediate thought was, "Hello, paladin here!"ReplyDelete
Actually, based on the lore, torture itself is not outside the scope of what Paladins are called upon to do in the course of their duties (although it's not exactly encouraged, either). I haven't done the quest, so I can't say one way or the other, but the particular method of torture used in the quest may be more objectionable to a generalized Paladin of lore than the torture itself.
Unfortunately, this seems like one of many elements where Blizzard dropped the ball on this expansion.ReplyDelete
- The game is simply too easy. You're just going through the motions without thought or concern while leveling up. At level 70 I was going through a 75 dungeon successfully. This is absurd.
- There is just WAY too many broken quests that made it to live. I understand they do not have time to fix everything and that they have to push out the game. But with so many broken quests so early in the game it just feels so... well... un-Blizzard like. Polish used to be the expectation, now, it had really gone by the wayside.
- Stability. Really, this is remarkable. A month of server issues before launch and now queues of two and a half hours being reported from some realms. If Blizzard's turning down the dial of the content was an effort to bring more of the game to casual players, they probably will have lost those players by now. If you only have an hour or two to play each night and have to wait two and a half in queue, there's nothing for you. There have been problems before with stability, but over a month is unheard of from any Blizzard offering.
- Anonymous12:14 AM, November 16, 2008
I think the problem that I had with this quest was that it has long ranging consequences if your character says "Nuh-uh, no way, this is way different than fighting these guys".ReplyDelete
Particularly since it's not just poke poke done, but you have to listen to the guy plead with you while you do it. And while, intrinsically, this didn't bother my Shaman, who did the quest and didn't really think twice, for my Paladin that just doesn't fit.
But her decision *not* to do it means she can't do the Coldarra/Malygos questlines - something that I'd rather not miss out on.
Gryph - the quest in question has a chained mage-hunter in a chair, and you are asked to repeatedly use a "Needler" on him to get him to disclose the location of a prisoner, since the Kirin Tor "frown on such things" and as such can't do it themselves.
- Anonymous12:50 AM, November 16, 2008
Agreed. I did that questline in beta and left what I thought was scathing feedback about how I (a hunter but also a pally) would never do such a thing.ReplyDelete
- Anonymous4:49 AM, November 16, 2008
I also found the quest stupid when I did it.ReplyDelete
Its not coherent that the mage say he couldn't torture, but has no problem asking you to do it.
It's simply stupid.
- Anonymous9:13 AM, November 16, 2008
I submitted feedback on this quest in beta. I really don't thik that in this day and age we should be glorifying torture. I don't care about the RP elements.ReplyDelete
- Anonymous10:24 AM, November 16, 2008
Having completed the initial DK quests I can understand the "thematic" reasons for the torture quest there. You're a monster engaging in wholesale destruction. Ultimately your independence from the LK is intended to launch your character on a path to redemption. Given this context the nature of the initial quests is completely understandable.ReplyDelete
I haven't done the quest in question yet (I'm starting out in the Fjord) so I can't speak with a great amount of authority on it; however by the sound of it this is rather troubling. Having "good" people engaged in "bad" acts for the purposes of a greater cause is dangerous territory that Blizzard should avoid. GTA gets criticized for people learning how to carjack. I doubt though WoW would get similar criticism given how the quest is a tiny part of the game. Regardless, I think Blizzard should stay out of the business of pushing the envelope on "moral" issues like this.
During the Beta, I inserted the /tickle emote between applications of the Needler. It's made me feel a little better.ReplyDelete
- Anonymous10:51 AM, November 16, 2008
I don't think it glorifies torture so much as reminding people that out sourcing torture is a moral cop out. The torture still happens.ReplyDelete
I don't find it much worse than any of the Brill experiments with captured Alliance or again in New Agamand...ReplyDelete
But yeah, overall it justifies my disliking of the Forsaken. Orcs and Trolls would probably just smash 'em, but not torture them before :P
Everyone has to make hard choices about darkness. In happy bunny land you do the good thing and still get rewarded. Outside of there, doing the nice thing doesn't yield anything. Our actions do not have to be acceptable, we only have to choose them. You were always free to not torture him, you'd just miss out on some content. That's your call to make, what are you willing to sacrifice of yourself for the advancement of a cause?ReplyDelete
Oh, if you have any Horde, I'm sure you'll love the Forsaken faction's dealings with the Scarlet Onslaught. Hint: the torture isn't just with harmless mental pokers.
To paraphrase a friend's comments on this quest, "Nobody expects the Argent Inquisition!" Given that I've seen a priest torturing the undead as a method of interrogation in Wintergarde Keep, this sort of quest doesn't surprise me all that much. Especially given how in the past, real paladin-style knights would engage in such behavior to get answers. So, while regrettable... this sort of activity (foisting off the responsibility of torture onto the player) isn't out of line with what we've seen in the Warcraft universe, where even servants of the Light will engage in skullduggery and less-moral activities in order to advance their agendas.ReplyDelete
Remember, this is the same universe where a paladin was excommunicated for valuing his honor and self-integrity by releasing a member of the Horde from torture and imprisonment. You might be familiar with him - his name is Tirion Fordring, for those who forgot who he was.
- Anonymous5:02 AM, November 17, 2008
The Missing Diplomat quest forced you to kill 2 npcs outside Stormwind library if you wanted to proceed any further.ReplyDelete
It clearly stated that this was outside the law.
My Warlock had no problem with the deed, but on my Paladin it was an ethical crossroads.
Again on Horde side, in Undercity you collect some poison or other for a Forsaken Apothecary, who uses it on test subjects (and kills them). Highly immoral.
There are other times in the game where the slaughter of unarmed men and women takes place without any thought whatsoever, simply because they are npcs and you need to kill them to progress; round them up and aoe them down (in TK and BT for instance).
For players with a conscience, it can be a dilemma to carry out such quests/activites.
- Anonymous6:37 AM, November 17, 2008
Two follow-ons from this:ReplyDelete
1) You can buy a "prototype Needler" from the NPC at the top of the tower. It only has 2 charges, but can be used on the mob shackled in the tower irrespective of whether you need to do it or not.
2) In Dragonblight, there's a quest where you "save" children by displacing them to the Kalu'ak culture for re-education. Either there's some very subtle social commentary going on on Blizzard's part, or their quest designers are wrong in the head.
One has to wonder - if they were really making a comment on torture, why isn't there an option to refuse other than dropping the quest completely?
- Anonymous6:59 AM, November 17, 2008
Yeah, I've been bothered by a couple of the quest lines in WotLK myself, and I haven't even gotten out of the starting areas.ReplyDelete
I think what ended up bothering me most about the torture quest was that the Kirin Tor mage was adamant that torture was out of bounds for him, but he was all eager to let me do it for them (and had been devoting resources to creating the tool in the first place). Any idiot should be able to see there's no difference between me doing it and him encouraging me to do it. I actually tried using the prod on him in the middle of the torture, but it still attacked the prisoner, which was disappointing.
In the Howling Fjord, there is a quest where you bring some Forsaken plague juice to a drunk gnome, who adds some stuff to it to make a vaccine, then tells you to test it out on a Vyrkul prisoner. I still haven't finished this quest, because it reminds me a lot of some quests you get as a low level Forsaken in Brill. Incidentally, it was those quests which turned me off from playing a Forsaken character altogether. Honestly, it's considered in bounds for a servant of the light to test out a concoction created by a drunk gnome on a totally subdued prisoner? What the hell. I don't know if it works or not, but what if it doesn't?
Lastly, also in the Coldarra area, there's a quest where a formerly imprisoned red dragon asks you to help her get revenge on a captor and infuriate Malygos. I didn't find this one quite as objectionable, although I was uncomfortable sitting with this red dragon outside the Nexus, she's shouting at Malygos, and is sitting there roasting the corpse of his dead consort. I feel like all the NPCs in this game have gone nuts.
I think all this stuff serves a purpose. It's making your character have to do a lot of questionable stuff on his way to destroy Arthas, paralleling his journey to becoming the Lich King. Presumably by the end of things you come to reject these methods and choose a different path than Arthas did, and that's great and all.
But it's somewhat offputting to be compelled by game mechanics to do this stuff. In the torture example, I of course want to get the information the prisoner has...but there's no way to even try to get it except to torture the guy. In the plague example, of course I want to know what the Forsaken are up to, and if we have found a vaccine for the plague...but I am also not given a chance to test it on anything but a helpless prisoner. I don't like being railroaded into darkness like this.
- Anonymous7:17 AM, November 17, 2008
As a Horde Paladin, I didn't really have a difficult time doing it. "Sorry Mr., but you have info that I need, and I will get it."ReplyDelete
In regards to the ease of the dungeons, I have to completely agree. Maybe it will be different in heroic, but I remember actually having to use CC. That seems like a thing of the past. "Hey Tank, go in and swing away, I will heal you". This is the same for group quests...often you are able to solo them. That is not a group quest.
- Anonymous7:40 AM, November 17, 2008
Fully agree with you. I was doing this quest on my rogue and it made me cringe a bit. And he's a murderous scumbag. Still having a aguy tied to a chair while I zap him seems worse than killing by cunning.ReplyDelete
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- Anonymous8:31 AM, November 17, 2008
While I agree with most comments this in the end is a game. You could completely follow your moral values and not do the quest (which may limit you from a dozen others and nice rewards) or you could write it into your characters history somehow.ReplyDelete
Alos about the dungeons I too agree but at the same token I think a lot of use had access to some nice gear which will not easily be replaced til high 70's/80 which 50% or more of players don't have so they may not find these so easy. I say we wait til higher dungeons and heroics/raids to pass judgement.
It's just a game.ReplyDelete
- Anonymous8:45 AM, November 17, 2008
I think what a lot us are forgetting is these are designed similarly to opening dungeons in BC. Remember some of us started playing after BC came out and we walked into Outland in mostly greens and replaced most of them very quickly with more greens adn some quest reward blues and then took on instances. They were a challenge for people new to 60 or lower.ReplyDelete
Now think back if you had been in 60 purples doing those instance how quickly you would have blown through them. Same thing now applies in Northrend.
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Rather than crit your comment section with a wall of text, I piggybacked on your post here.ReplyDelete
(Also, you'd think mages would have a spell to force people to tell the truth. That seems like a very common spell in fantasy.)ReplyDelete
You forget that there's also penty of times where there's a spell to prevent the spells that make you speak. And considering that these folks are working for the Aspect of magic...
@rildar "One has to wonder - if they were really making a comment on torture, why isn't there an option to refuse other than dropping the quest completely?"ReplyDelete
What other option do you want? You don't do what people ask you to do, they don't reward you. Would you rather there be an option to say something and instead of just getting nowhere, end up being considered hostile? Blizzard is actually quite generous for making quests completely optional, since there is never an actual loss from not completing a quest.
While it might be cool to see effects from not doing quests, I'm worried what might happen with all those quests I skipped from the Forsaken. Or maybe that's what the cinematic was, them attempting to get revenge on me for all the quests I skipped while leveling.
Well, questioning the moral of torture one could also question murder, war, deception, stealing and various other activities we are involved with in-game.ReplyDelete
Its a war-like envoironment, much more realitic (or moraly chalenging) than before. Yes, its a game. But still a game of conflicts. And to some extend conflicts within ourselves (as little poor Arthas started having some time ago). Kinda like the question "Would you purge Stratholem if you were in Arthas' place?"
- Anonymous7:13 AM, November 18, 2008
While I completely understand the distaste this quest can cause (it made me feel weird too), I gotta say I am okay with it for two reasons:ReplyDelete
1.) From an RP standpoint, my character exists entirely in my head so what she does and does not do in game, does not effect what she does and does not do in her "lore" that I have in my head. Just as wiping on Curator fiftybillion times the first time I was doing Karazhan isn't part of her backstory, quests in the game don't have to be either =P
2.) I was really getting the feeling that the entire purpose of the quest was to get you to think. Blizzard wants you to think about the fact that you are holding good and evil in your hands (as is evidenced by the fact that if you keep torturing the guy after the quest, he tells you stuff like "You have a darkness in you"... seems deliberate to me). Blizz has often said that they wanted to make a world where good and evil are very real forces that you have to deal with. By forcing you to do this quest you are forced to think about it and in that level they have very much succeeded.
It's sort of like reading those crazy weird books you had to read in literature classes-- a lot of them make you feel uncomfortable, but that's part of why they're "classics" eh? Because they make you think. =P
It's a game.ReplyDelete
For everyone who is complaining about the nature of the quest, we had a choice to decline it - but we decided that the rewards outweighed our distaste.
On one hand, we each decided that torturing a defenseless NPC was worth that quest reward, 4 gold, 20k experience, and the chance to run an instance later.
On the other hand, not every decision we make in a game translates directly to RL... which is why most of us aren't running around immitating any of the GTA characters...because we're secure in our sense of self and we can distinguish reality from make-believe.
Blizz didn't make the quest a prerequisite for end-game...just a 5-man along the way. Skipping Nexus would have been a bit like skipping RFK...a small price to pay for our peace of mind. And yet, here we are...
I'm just sayin'. If it was that important to us, we would have made different choices.
- Anonymous8:44 PM, November 18, 2008
I have prot pally, and I did this quest last night and felt a little weird doing it. I understand that I have killed a whole bunch of stuff to get to this point and get dyed red when i kill an animal, but this was odd - i did it by looking anywhere else but the screen and spamming the quest item.ReplyDelete
- Anonymous9:16 AM, November 19, 2008
I felt bad doing this quest, too. I also felt uber guilty killing mobs in the DK line that BEGGED for their lives. Something dark and twisted about that. I just keep trying to tell myself it's just a video game...ReplyDelete
If you think that's bad try doing the quest where you kill the prisoners in new hearthglen where they thought you came to save them =P. There are tons of quest out there like these.ReplyDelete
It's just a game and regarding RP wise hey my toon is not perfect I had to do some crazy shit while leveling you know? There's a war going on and my toon has to do his part.
Kill 20 boars? You got it
Torture for info? you bet
Kill rhinos for leveling cooking? I'm on it!
Bring the head of X dude for peace and justice? I'll wrap it up for you!
- Anonymous4:20 PM, November 19, 2008
The Kirin Tor quest differs from the DK newbie quest in a number of ways:ReplyDelete
1) The Kirin Tor mage KNOWS it's wrong. If you read the Scourge books in the DK newbie zone (and you ought to: they're fantastic), you'll see that Kel'Thuzad and other intelligent members of the Scourge actually have a whole alien code of behavior and that things like torture of the living fits into it just fine.
2) The DK newbie quest has torture -- sort of. You're actually just fighting Scarlet Crusade soldiers with specialized weapons. The Kirin Tor mage wants you to torture a bound and helpless captive. If anything, the DKs are more on the side of the angels (well, Naaru) here.
3) This quest leads directly to the Nexus quests (which is why my wife and I were taking a break from leveling in the Fjord to do it) and there, one of the ways we see that Malygos has lost his way is that he kidnaps, brainwashes and rapes a female member of another dragonflight. But torture is apparently OK with at least one quest designer at Blizzard. Very odd.
Incidentally, the daily Kalu'ak quest to rescue the wolvar pups is actually pretty beneficent. Those pups will die in the coming war between the two people, and the tribal elders don't mind that happening. The quest giver explicitly says he doesn't want the children to die, nor for the enemy tribe to be wiped out. It's a humanitarian quest, and about as guilt-free as the daily quest to help sea lions breed. (What a game!)
Finally, the poisoning the Vrykul quest is pretty explicitly meant to mirror the Brill poison the dwarf quest, since it's reintroducing the New Plague storyline to the Alliance. And if you haven't done it, the reaction from the NPCs nearby when it happens differs dramatically from how the NPCs in Brill feel about what happens to the dwarf prisoner.
There's obviously a diversity of quest designers at Blizzard, and only one or two of them watch a whole lot of "24" and have some strange hang-ups with poop.
- Anonymous4:22 AM, November 20, 2008
Not only do I fully agree with you, but in the beta I wrote long paragraphs of feedback on why this quest didn't work - we really weren't given motivation to go to the extreme of torture in this quest chain. There was no building of player loyalty to the Kirin, and no really good argument that torture was the only way to resolve that situation. I too did not buy the fact that these powerful mages suddenly needed someone else to "get their hands dirty." When I did the quest I actually tried to attack the mage questgiver - but it didn't work.ReplyDelete
As beta tester I wrote again during other quests in the chain: "Still annoyed with previous torture quest, not seeing that my actions were for a worthy cause, beginning to distrust the Kirin."
While I have no problems fighting and killing mages - I have a huge problem zapping someone tied to a chair who can't fight back. Not only is it an unfair advantage - it's not what I consider a game. If the player was put in the same situation - tied down and then killed - I don't think many people would find that particularly "fun" either.
I also gave feedback in beta about the Death Knight quests that I disliked the parts where I had to kill cowering civilians and torture people - but then I suddenly "turn good" at the end simply because I'm following the leader/npc. But that did seem to work somewhat for my character.
Finding this torture quest so soon after playing a DK really made me feel that Blizz had gotten a bit lazy and just threw the torture part in to spice things up a bit, and make it seem "edgy." Instead it feels wrong, and poorly written.
The torture victim is at war with the Kirin Tor. Both the Kirin Tor and the Mage Hunters have decided to resort to violence to further their ends.ReplyDelete
In particular, the Mage Hunters had kidnapped a member of the Kirin Tor.
In my opinion, torture is a perfectly acceptable method of intelligence gathering in dire situations (kidnapping, terrorism, etc); one which the Kirin Tor shouldn't have prohibited in the first place.
Your character has to decide what to do, which path to follow. They don't have to do the quest, yet if they do complete the quest they are participating in the fight against Malygos, who, if he had his way, would destroy all magic users and potential magic users (which is pretty much every one in the World of Warcraft).
Under these circumstances, mass genocide of everyone, I would expect torture to be a given.
- Anonymous7:49 AM, December 06, 2008
What pissed me off about this quest is that it feeds into the whole myth that torture is an effective, if immoral, tool for gathering intelligence. It's a classic symptom of know-nothingism, the insistence that there are simple, brute-force, instant gratification answers to all questions.ReplyDelete
As Professor Darius Rejali documented in the book Torture and Democracy, torture doesn't work. It is a completely ineffective method of gathering intelligence. The KGB, probably the most effective intelligence-gathering operation in history, knew that torture was good for breaking people and obtaining confessions, but NOT for gathering solid actionable intelligence.
I agree with Russel in that torture is an ineffective means of gathering information.ReplyDelete
Not surprising from Blizzard since as a whole they really have no clue about what makes people tick.
The one thing that I keep coming back to in WOW is how weak the storyline is and how little it has to do with game play. The idea of good and evil is pretty blurry throughout the game.
One funny quote is when my Horde Toon gets to Northrend and the Royal Apothecary NPC there makes some statement about how they are the Royal Apothecary Society and that they don't give belly-aches...kinda inconsistent in that they had no problem wanting me to poison a cat in Felwood. I didn't do that quest either.
Experience and items are fairly easy to come by in WotLK, bypassing some lame quest won't nerf your toon.
The Apothecaries are in Northrend to wage war with bioweapons, not to cause belly-aches. The NPC even says so. That's completely consistent with the Apothecary quests in Azeroth, where they're turning cuddly dogs and kittens into ferocious beasts and testing bioweapons on prisoners of war.ReplyDelete


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