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Domestic turkey
|Domestic turkey
|A Broad Breasted Bronze male (tom) displaying
|Scientific classification
M. g. domesticus
|Trinomial name
|Meleagris gallopavo domesticus
The domestic turkey (Meleagris gallopavo domesticus) is a large fowl, one of the two species in the genus Meleagris and the same species as the wild turkey. Although turkey domestication was thought to have occurred in central Mesoamerica at least 2,000 years ago,[1] recent research suggests a possible second domestication event in the area that is now the southwestern United States between 200 BC and AD 500. However, all of the main domestic turkey varieties today descend from the turkey raised in central Mexico that was subsequently imported into Europe by the Spanish in the 16th century.[2]
The domestic turkey is a popular form of poultry, and it is raised throughout temperate parts of the world, partially because industrialized farming has made it very cheap for the amount of meat it produces. Female domestic turkeys are called hens, and the chicks are poults or turkeylings. In Canada and the United States, male turkeys are called toms; in the United Kingdom and Ireland they are stags.
The great majority of domestic turkeys are bred to have white feathers because their pin feathers are less visible when the carcass is dressed, although brown or bronze-feathered varieties are also raised. The fleshy protuberance atop the beak is the snood, and the one attached to the underside of the beak is known as a wattle.
The English-language name for this species results from an early misidentification of the bird with an unrelated species which was imported to Europe through the country of Turkey.[3] The Latin species name gallopāvō means "chicken peacock".
The modern domestic turkey is descended from the South Mexican subspecies (the nominate subspecies M. g. gallopavo) of wild turkey, found in Central Mexico in a region bounded by the present Mexican states of Jalisco to the northwest, Guerrero to the southwest, and Veracruz to the east.[4] Ancient Mesoamericans domesticated this subspecies, using its meat and eggs as major sources of protein and employing its feathers extensively for decorative purposes. The Aztecs associated the turkey with their trickster god Tezcatlipoca,[5] perhaps because of its perceived humorous behavior.[citation needed]
Domestic turkeys were taken to Europe by the Spanish. Many distinct breeds were developed in Europe (e.g. Spanish Black, Royal Palm). In the early 20th century, many advances were made in the breeding of turkeys, resulting in breeds such as the Beltsville Small White.[citation needed]
The 16th-century English navigator William Strickland is generally credited with introducing the turkey into England.[6][7] His family coat of arms – showing a turkey cock as the family crest – is among the earliest known European depictions of a turkey.[6][8] English farmer Thomas Tusser notes the turkey being among farmer's fare at Christmas in 1573.[9] The domestic turkey was sent from England to Jamestown, Virginia in 1608. A document written in 1584 lists supplies to be furnished to future colonies in the New World; "turkies, male and female".[10]
Prior to the late 19th century, turkey was something of a luxury in the UK, with goose or beef a more common Christmas dinner among the working classes.[11] In Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol (1843), Bob Cratchit had a goose before Scrooge bought him a turkey.[12]
Turkey production in the UK was centered in East Anglia, using two breeds, the Norfolk Black and the Norfolk Bronze (also known as Cambridge Bronze). These would be driven as flocks, after shoeing, down to markets in London from the 17th century onwards – the breeds having arrived in the early 16th century via Spain.[13]
Intensive farming of turkeys from the late 1940s dramatically cut the price, making it more affordable for the working classes. With the availability of refrigeration, whole turkeys could be shipped frozen to distant markets. Later advances in disease control increased production even more. Advances in shipping, changing consumer preferences and the proliferation of commercial poultry plants has made fresh turkey inexpensive as well as readily available.[citation needed]
Recent genome analysis has provided researchers with the opportunity to determine the evolutionary history of domestic turkeys, and their relationship to other domestic fowl.[14]
Young domestic turkeys readily fly short distances, perch and roost. These behaviours become less frequent as the birds mature, but adults will readily climb on objects such as bales of straw. Young birds perform spontaneous, frivolous running ('frolicking') which has all the appearance of play. Commercial turkeys show a wide diversity of behaviours including 'comfort' behaviours such as wing-flapping, feather ruffling, leg stretching and dust-bathing. Turkeys are highly social and become very distressed when isolated. Many of their behaviours are socially facilitated i.e. expression of a behaviour by one animal increases the tendency for this behaviour to be performed by others. Adults can recognise 'strangers' and placing any alien turkey into an established group will almost certainly result in that individual being attacked, sometimes fatally. Turkeys are highly vocal, and 'social tension' within the group can be monitored by the birds' vocalisations. A high-pitched trill indicates the birds are becoming aggressive which can develop into intense sparring where opponents leap at each other with the large, sharp talons, and try to peck or grasp the head of each other. Aggression increases in frequency and severity as the birds mature.[citation needed]
Maturing males spend a considerable proportion of their time sexually displaying. This is very similar to that of the wild turkey and involves fanning the tail feathers, drooping the wings and erecting all body feathers, including the 'beard' (a tuft of black, modified hair-like feathers on the centre of the breast). The skin of the head, neck and caruncles (fleshy nodules) becomes bright blue and red, and the snood (an erectile appendage on the forehead) elongates, the birds 'sneeze' at regular intervals, followed by a rapid vibration of their tail feathers. Throughout, the birds strut slowly about, with the neck arched backward, their breasts thrust forward and emitting their characteristic 'gobbling' call.[citation needed]
Size and weight[edit]
|Average mass
kg (lb)
|Maximum mass
kg (lb)
|Average total length
cm (ft)
|Domestic turkey
|13.5 (29.8) [15]
|39 (86)[16]
|100–124.9 (3.3–4.1)[17]
The domestic turkey is the eighth largest living bird species in terms of maximum mass at 39 kg (86 lbs).[citation needed] Due to their extreme size differences, domestic turkeys are semi-flightless, as younger or smaller specimens are still capable of short-distance flight, whereas the largest individuals are completely flightless and terrestrial.
Turkey breeds[edit]
- The Broad Breasted White is the commercial turkey of choice for large scale industrial turkey farms, and consequently is the most consumed variety of the bird. Usually the turkey to receive a "presidential pardon", a U.S. custom, is a Broad Breasted White.
- The Broad Breasted Bronze is another commercially developed strain of table bird.
- The Standard Bronze looks much like the Broad Breasted Bronze, except that it is single breasted, and can naturally breed.
- The Bourbon Red turkey is a smaller, non-commercial breed with dark reddish feathers with white markings.
- Slate, or Blue Slate, turkeys are a very rare breed with gray-blue feathers.
- The Black ("Spanish Black", "Norfolk Black") has very dark plumage with a green sheen.
- The Narragansett Turkey is a popular heritage breed named after Narraganset Bay in New England.
- The Chocolate is a rarer heritage breed with markings similar to a Black Spanish, but light brown instead of black in color. Common in the Southern U.S. and France before the Civil War.
- The Beltsville Small White is a small heritage breed, whose development started in 1934. The breed was introduced in 1941 and was admitted to the APA Standard in 1951. Although slightly bigger and broader than the Midget White, both are often mislabeled.
- The Midget White is a smaller heritage breed.
Commercial production[edit]
In commercial production, breeder farms supply eggs to hatcheries. After 28 days of incubation, the hatched poults are sexed and delivered to the grow-out farms; hens are raised separately from toms because of different growth rates.
In the UK, it is common to rear chicks in the following way. Between one and seven days of age, chicks are placed into small 2.5 m (8 ft) circular brooding pens to ensure they encounter food and water. To encourage feeding, they may be kept under constant light for the first 48 hours. To assist thermoregulation, air temperature is maintained at 35 °C (95 °F) for the first three days, then lowered by approximately 3 °C (5.4 °F) every two days to 18 °C (64 °F) at 37 days of age, and infrared heaters are usually provided for the first few days. Whilst in the pens, feed is made widely accessible by scattering it on sheets of paper in addition to being available in feeders. After several days, the pens are removed, allowing the birds access to the entire rearing shed, which may contain tens of thousands of birds. The birds remain there for several weeks, after which they are transported to another unit.[18]
The vast majority of turkeys are reared indoors in purpose-built or modified buildings of which there are many types. Some types have slatted walls to allow ventilation, but many have solid walls and no windows to allow artificial lighting manipulations to optimise production. The buildings can be very large (converted aircraft hangars are sometimes used) and may contain tens of thousands of birds as a single flock. The floor substrate is usually deep-litter, e.g. wood shavings, which relies upon the controlled build-up of a microbial flora requiring skilful management. Ambient temperatures for adult domestic turkeys are usually maintained between 18 and 21 °C (64 and 70 °F). High temperatures should be avoided because the high metabolic rate of turkeys (up to 69 W/bird) makes them susceptible to heat stress, exacerbated by high stocking densities.[18] Commercial turkeys are kept under a variety of lighting schedules, e.g. continuous light, long photoperiods (23 h), or intermittent lighting, to encourage feeding and accelerate growth.[19] Light intensity is usually low (e.g. less than one lux) to reduce feather pecking.
Rations generally include corn and soybean meal, with added vitamins and minerals, and is adjusted for protein, carbohydrate and fat based on the age and nutrient requirements. Hens are slaughtered at about 14–16 weeks and toms at about 18–20 weeks of age when they can weigh over 20 kg (44 lb) compared to a mature male wild turkey which weighs approximately 10.8 kg (24 lb).[20][citation needed]
Welfare concerns[edit]
Stocking density is an issue in the welfare of commercial turkeys and high densities are a major animal welfare concern. Permitted stocking densities for turkeys reared indoors vary according to geography and animal welfare farm assurance schemes. For example, in Germany, there is a voluntary maximum of 52 kg/m2 and 58 kg/m2 for males and females respectively. In the UK, the RSPCA Freedom Foods assurance scheme reduces permissible stocking density to 25 kg/m2 for turkeys reared indoors.[21] Turkeys maintained at commercial stocking densities (8 birds/m2; 61 kg/m2) exhibit increased welfare problems such as increases in gait abnormalities, hip and foot lesions, and bird disturbances, and decreased bodyweight compared with lower stocking densities.[22] Turkeys reared at 8 birds/m2 have a higher incidence of hip lesions and foot pad dermatitis than those reared at 6.5 or 5.0 birds/m2.[23] Insufficient space may lead to an increased risk for injuries such as broken wings caused by hitting the pen walls or other turkeys during aggressive encounters[24] and can also lead to heat stress.[25] The problems of small space allowance are exacerbated by the major influence of social facilitation on the behaviour of turkeys. If turkeys are to feed, drink, dust-bathe, etc., simultaneously, then to avoid causing frustration, resources and space must be available in large quantities.
Lighting manipulations used to optimise production can compromise welfare. Long photoperiods combined with low light intensity can result in blindness from buphthalmia (distortions of the eye morphology) or retinal detachment.
Feather pecking occurs frequently amongst commercially reared turkeys and can begin at 1 day of age. This behaviour is considered to be re-directed foraging behaviour, caused by providing poultry with an impoverished foraging environment. To reduce feather pecking, turkeys are often beak-trimmed. Ultraviolet-reflective markings appear on young birds at the same time as feather pecking becomes targeted toward these areas, indicating a possible link.[26] Commercially reared turkeys also perform head-pecking, which becomes more frequent as they sexually mature. When this occurs in small enclosures or environments with few opportunities to escape, the outcome is often fatal and rapid. Frequent monitoring is therefore essential, particularly of males approaching maturity. Injuries to the head receive considerable attention from other birds, and head-pecking often occurs after a relatively minor injury has been received during a fight or when a lying bird has been trodden upon and scratched by another. Individuals being re-introduced after separation are often immediately attacked again. Fatal head-pecking can occur even in small (10 birds), stable groups. Commercial turkeys are normally reared in single-sex flocks. If a male is inadvertently placed in a female flock, he may be aggressively victimised (hence the term 'henpecked').[citation needed] Females in male groups will be repeatedly mated, during which it is highly likely she will be injured from being trampled upon.
Breeding and companies[edit]
The dominant commercial breed is the Broad-Breasted Whites (similar to the "White Holland", but a separate breed), which have been selected for size and amount of meat. Mature toms are too large to achieve natural fertilization without injuring the hens, so their semen is collected, and hens are inseminated artificially. Several hens can be inseminated from each collection, so fewer toms are needed. The eggs of some turkey breeds are able to develop without fertilization, in a process called parthenogenesis.[27][28] Breeders' meat is too tough for roasting, and is mostly used to make processed meats.
Waste products[edit]
Approximately two billion to four billion pounds (900,000 to 1,800,000 t) of poultry feathers are produced every year by the poultry industry. Most are ground into a protein source for ruminant animal feed, which are able to digest the protein keratin of which feathers are composed. Researchers at the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) have patented a method of removing the stiff quill from the fibers which make up the feather.[citation needed] As this is a potential supply of natural fibers, research has been conducted at Philadelphia University's School of Engineering and Textiles to determine textile applications for feather fibers. Turkey feather fibers have been blended with nylon and spun into yarn, and then used for knitting. The yarns were tested for strength while the fabrics were evaluated as insulation materials. In the case of the yarns, as the percentage of turkey feather fibers increased, the strength decreased. In fabric form, as the percentage of turkey feather fibers increased, the heat retention capability of the fabric increased.[citation needed]
Turkeys as food[edit]
|Nutritional value per 100 g (3.5 oz)
|465 kJ (111 kcal)
0 g
|0 g
|Dietary fiber
|0 g
0.7 g
24.6 g
|Thiamine (B1)
0%0 mg
|Riboflavin (B2)
8%0.1 mg
|Niacin (B3)
44%6.6 mg
|Pantothenic acid (B5)
14%0.7 mg
|Vitamin B6
46%0.6 mg
|Folate (B9)
2%8 μg
|Vitamin C
0%0 mg
1%10 mg
9%1.2 mg
8%28 mg
29%206 mg
6%293 mg
3%49 mg
13%1.2 mg
|†Percentages are roughly approximated using US recommendations for adults.
Source: USDA Nutrient Database [29]
Approximately 620 million turkeys are slaughtered each year for meat worldwide.[30] Turkeys are traditionally eaten as the main course of Christmas feasts in much of the English-speaking world (stuffed turkey) since appearing in England in the 16th century,[31] as well as for Thanksgiving in the United States and Canada. While eating turkey was once mainly restricted to special occasions such as these, turkey is now eaten year-round and forms a regular part of many diets.
Turkeys are sold sliced and ground, as well as "whole" in a manner similar to chicken with the head, feet, and feathers removed. Frozen whole turkeys remain popular. Sliced turkey is frequently used as a sandwich meat or served as cold cuts; in some cases, where recipes call for chicken, turkey can be used as a substitute. Additionally, ground turkey is frequently marketed as a healthy ground beef substitute. Without careful preparation, cooked turkey may end up less moist than other poultry meats, such as chicken or duck. The breast of the turkey can be dipped in breadcrumbs as an alternative to chicken nuggets.
Wild turkeys, while technically the same species as domestic turkeys, have a very different taste from farm-raised turkeys. In contrast to domestic turkeys, almost all wild turkey meat is "dark" (even the breast) and more intensely flavored. The flavor can also vary seasonally with changes in available forage, often leaving wild turkey meat with a gamier flavor in late summer due to the greater number of insects in its diet over the preceding months. Wild turkeys that have fed predominantly on grass and grain have a milder flavor. Older heritage breeds also differ in flavor.
Unlike chicken, duck, and quail eggs, turkey eggs are not commonly sold as food due to the high demand for whole turkeys and the lower output of turkey eggs as compared with other fowl. The value of a single turkey egg is estimated to be about US$3.50 on the open market, substantially more than a single carton of one dozen chicken eggs.[32][33]
White turkey meat is often considered healthier than dark meat because of its lower fat content, but the nutritional differences are small. Although turkey is reputed to cause sleepiness, holiday dinners are commonly large meals served with carbohydrates, fats, and alcohol in a relaxed atmosphere, all of which are bigger contributors to post-meal sleepiness than the tryptophan in turkey.[34][35]
Both fresh and frozen turkeys are used for cooking; as with most foods, fresh turkeys are generally preferred, although they cost more. Around holiday seasons, high demand for fresh turkeys often makes them difficult to purchase without ordering in advance. For the frozen variety, the large size of the turkeys typically used for consumption makes defrosting them a major endeavor: a typically sized turkey will take several days to properly defrost.
Turkeys are usually baked or roasted in an oven for several hours, often while the cook prepares the remainder of the meal. Sometimes, a turkey is brined before roasting to enhance flavor and moisture content. This is necessary because the dark meat requires a higher temperature to denature all of the myoglobin pigment than the white meat (which is very low in myoglobin), so that fully cooking the dark meat tends to dry out the breast. Brining makes it possible to fully cook the dark meat without drying the breast meat. Turkeys are sometimes decorated with turkey frills prior to serving.
In some areas, particularly the American South, turkeys may also be deep fried in hot oil (often peanut oil) for 30 to 45 minutes by using a turkey fryer. Deep frying turkey has become something of a fad, with hazardous consequences for those unprepared to safely handle the large quantities of hot oil required.[36]
Turkey litter for fuel[edit]
Although most commonly used as fertilizer, turkey litter (droppings mixed with bedding material, usually wood chips) is used as a fuel source in electric power plants. One such plant in western Minnesota provides 55 megawatts of power using 500,000 tons of litter per year. The plant began operating in 2007.[37]
See also[edit]
- American Poultry Association
- List of turkey meat producing companies in the United States
- National Turkey Federation
- Ocellated turkey
- Turkey bowling
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External links[edit]
- Cornish Hen VS Chicken from Josephine DC
- Breeds of turkey from Feathersite.com
- More information on domestic turkeys from Cornell
- Thanksgiving Song
- Domesticated animals
- Domesticated birds
- Poultry
- Meleagris
- Vertebrate parthenogenesis
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- Jeremy will be visiting Taiwan in August: Jeremy Lin to return to Taiwan within the week - The China Post
- Rockets current salaries: Houston Rockets Team Salary | HOOPSWORLD | Basketball News & NBA Rumors
- Asian American, Natalie Nakase, is the first woman to coach men's pro ball in Japan. Her goal is to coach in the NBA and JLin is an Linspiration to her. I'm a little late on this one as she has already been let go, but very compelling story: Nakase says goal is to coach in NBA | The Japan Times Online
- Memo to Scott Machado, Jeremy Lin's college stats were better than yours, look it up. Also, Lin's assist ratio is better than Russell Westbrook, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, and Steph Curry while equal to Deron Williams. I guess Machado feels he is more of "real point guard" than of all of them.
- A poem - Lin 467 to the Future:
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Jeremy Lin Visiting Taiwan and other LiNews
103 comments:
Ah! Basketball is your life. ~ ~ ~ Playing for God.ReplyDelete
Is Jeremy's contract guaranteed?ReplyDelete
David Robinson said he is a big Jeremy Lin fan and thinks he was the Most Valuable guy in the franchise. The Admiral knows what he is talking about!ReplyDelete
The Admiral got it right on when he said that Jeremy Lin is a winner. Jeremy makes guys around him better, dominates with his skills, and mentally wills a team into winning. He is a special player. True leadership is rarely found even among superstars.Delete
With JLin as the center piece of the team next season, I expect there will be a different type of Linsanity. JLin will do even more amazing things. I can see some sort of record being broken again.
NBA legends who are on-the-record fans of Lin's game:Delete
-Magic Johnson
-Kobe Bryant
-Steve Nash
-Kevin McHale
-Bob Cousy
-David Robinson
Yet most NBA fans and writers would rather side with Stephen A. Smith, Larry Brown and some guy on Bleacher Report. Haha, oh man...you can't make this stuff up.
yes, it's amazing to see how people choose to trust journalists with personal agendas over Hall-Of-Famers who know more about basketball.Delete
It really shows jealousy trumps logic.
- AnonymousJuly 31, 2012 at 12:19 AM
Thanks for the link, Psalm234.ReplyDelete
The Admiral is the man. Glad to know he is JLin's fan.
Jeremy needs to learn how to use his size to his advantage. At 6'-3.5" 200 lbs, he's bigger than most point guards like Rondo, Chris Paul, Ty Lawson, etc. Yet he's still trying to use his speed to beat quick guards, something that worked at the college level, but is not going to work in the NBA.ReplyDelete
He has size, he's building more muscle, use it to post up and shoot over smaller guys.Replies
I totally agree that JL should post up more and have commented about that before. I think he only did it a couple times -- once against Jennings and once or twice against Isaiah Thomas (who actually gave him fits in garbage time pre-Linsanity).Delete
That said, it's not that Jeremy *can't* blow by elite NBA point guards (he can blow by anyone...and other quick PGs can blow by him). It's just that he's wasting one of his prime assets -- his size and strength.
As you said, it would be a major equalizer against the likes of elite short PGs like CP3 and Lawson and elite skinny PGs like Rondo and Westbrook. But Houston will have to run specific plays to get him the ball in post-up situations.
(BTW, Jeremy now weighs 212 lbs. according to Doc Scheppler and is 6-4+ in shoes)
We all did see flashes of Jeremy Lin using those inside moves to bully opponents inside.Delete
It was Eric who astutely pointed out here that Lin has some very advanced dead ball moves.
Forunately, Lin is going to be learning from one of the greatest all time players and teachers of post up play in Kevin McHale.
If Lin could learn McHale's up-and-under-with stepthrough, it's OVER for guys inside. That's the move McHale used to score on Kareem Abdul Jabbar in a Lakers Celtics 87 highlight.
Funny that even though Lin is larger than most PGs in the NBA, I STILL see and hear comments from commentators/analysts/fans that Lin is scrawny, weak, not strong enough by NBA standards etc.Delete
Still can't look past the asian I guess.
Asik has the same contract value as JLin as the highest paid. Is Asik or JLin more of an asset to the Rockets, I wonder. Checking the YouTube highlights of Asik, I have to say he's got one mean game. He's not afraid of using his size to clear out space, and once once he does power dunking it. He also moves well without the ball. And of course the length and blocking. Perhaps JLin can learn a bit about using his size to overpower smaller players from Asik!ReplyDeleteReplies
Any time I see a power guy like Asik, I worry about that player injuring himself and missing significant portions of time.Delete
I expect Kevin McHale to teach Asik how to pick his spots. It's not always wise to play power basketball on every possession. Nobody, not even Shaq, could hold up to that kind of pounding for a full NBA season.
Yeah, Asik is a very talented player, who was underused by the Chicago Bulls. I wonder how Jeremy will interact with him off the court. Omer Asik, being from Turkey, is probably a Muslim (Don't know if he's fundamentalist).Delete
Lin is a super-evangelical Christian, and who might constantly preach Jesus and shove a bible in front of his face. This could anger a Muslim person, and create chemistry issues.
I hope Jeremy knows how to interact with non-Christian people and respect other people's beliefs without judging them. Being from a Chinese-American, he should have some experience with this because many in his community are Buddhist or Atheist.
@ABCBaller, I don't think we need to worry about Jeremy proselytizing to his teammates in such a way that will be a turnoff and destroy the chemistry with his teammates.Delete
If anything, Jeremy's quiet faith is actually an asset because Lin credited his parents with teaching him to play "godly basketball," which measures success by sportsmanship, not stats. That means putting teammates first and showing respect to opponents and referees.
He has shown this by repeatedly sharing credits to his teammates for their success, asking his teammates to turn off TV showing non-stopping Linsanity highlights, and even picking up his teammates trash on the airplanes in attempt to keep him humble and build a good relationship with his teammates.
I am a Christian myself and I support Jeremy's way of sharing his faith more by his actions rather than words. If you listened to his recent Houston press conference when asked about what he can bring to Houston, Jeremy indicated he is going to try his best to be a humble leader and to serve his teammates. His faith called him to serve his teammates and not to boss them around so I think we're safe here.
Until we hear the news that Jeremy forces his teammates to wear Bible verses and say "Hail Linsanity", I don't think we have something to worry about here :)
For a good insight to understand how Jeremy's faith helps his approach to his game and how it is a bit different than Tebow, here is the link:
I truly believe he wants to share his stories how God helped him during his ups-and-downs but he won't force people to believe in his God.
After watching Asik's NBA.com videos on his defensive skills, I can see that his size and length could be intimidating. But his athleticism and explosiveness leaves a lot to be desired, especially when we are used to see how well Tyson Chandler played with Jeremy.Delete
And his offensive skills, especially pick-and-roll is definitely a long-term project. He does not look like a natural yet in P&R. Jeremy still needs a lot of help to execute P&R offense next season.
On the plus side, I'm surprised he looks like a much faster version of Luc Longley :) so if Longley can help MJ won championships, there's hope for Asik.
lol he does look like luc longley.Delete
Asik blocks Chandler at 5:55Delete
According to Bulls fans, Asik has trouble catching passes (though we shouldn't automatically trust the assumptions of fans/writers). In any case, he's there for defense, rebounding and putbacks...not to run the pick-and-roll with Jeremy.Delete
Unless they get Dwight, JL's go-to big man will be at PF: either Patterson or Motiejunas. Unless Motiejunas is ready to be an NBA starter, I actually think Patterson could have a breakout season playing with Lin. He's really athletic, has a solid mid-range jumper, and most importantly, he can finish above the rim. He can pick and roll OR pick and pop.
For all the talk about Jeremy Lin not being a "pure point guard", there is one statistic that means MORE than any individual statistic that Jeremy Lin does.Delete
Landry Fields and Steve Novak walked off to BIG paydays from having improved their games by playing for Jeremy Lin. Novak in particular was a minimum wager until Lin found him in the corner.
I posted here before that adding Jeremy Lin was actually adding 2 or more players, based on how much guys get better from playing and learning from him.
- AnonymousAugust 1, 2012 at 2:11 AM
"...even picking up his teammates trash on the airplanes"Delete
He should not pick-up after others. [There's so many other ways JLin can show humility.]
There's a reason menial tasks are assigned to rookies, that is, newbies, BOYS not yet accepted in the circle of men. The thing is, rookies have an excuse: they are forced to do the undignified. To volunteer willingly though...His team mates may not understand the context by w/c he is doing it. It can easily look like appeasement. or worst, since being an asian man burdens him with certain stereotypes, he looks servile. [It's not like he can counter this by smacking the h out of someone on the court, or some other uber-masculine type activity. Religious restriction prevents a lot of those.]
At the least, he looks like someone lacking boldness, unable take his share of privileges. Also, someone overly fearful of other people's opinions. [If he does not care about Linsanity, don't. Be indifferent.]
Overly humbling oneself can only earn contempt from the Alphas in the locker room. They respect aggression, not asceticism. They would sooner respect a trash-talking bullying self-centered ahole than someone overly conscientious & diffident. Rookies might like him for a while bec he's not stuck-up, but they will come to despise him, for they themselves aspire to ascend the power hierarchy. At the least, they will not put themselves on the line to support him should there be a riff in the locker room. Bec men follow warriors, not self-abnegators [w/c appeals more to feminine values.] They will also come to feel at par with him, & he'll be constantly open to their challenge.
Well, it depends on the individuals Lin works with.Delete
Most good guys would appreciate those good qualities and even help out with trash removal. There is no humiliation in being a gentleman. At least that's how it is in my line of work.
Of course, repeat offenders should be hit.with "Pick up after yourself!"
- AnonymousAugust 1, 2012 at 5:01 AM
I see that.Delete
I'm just thinking this is testosterone central, not the odd office, lab, church or university.
Thug life.
I agree.Delete
But I actually work in a "thug life" atmosphere where testosterone rules.
In such settings, being a gentleman is utterly important.
- AnonymousAugust 1, 2012 at 5:54 AM
You might be over-estimating honor & decency in the NBA. Some of these guys have the maturity of high-school boys.Delete
Be humble, but choose how. It's easy for actions to be misread. He's no longer a rookie, he can choose.
Some acts, if they look like appeasement, simply invites bullying.
It's bad enough that people can't unsee the asian stereotype, he doesn't have to compound things by engaging in what might be construed as servile acts. There lots & lots of other ways to be humble.
Melo & JR don't respect him [can't respect him,] that's why they felt free to mouth off. They could have been jealous yet stay silent, but they just didn't GAF. & Others follow their cue.
[Some people were talking about "soft Cali boys" in the Nyk locker room before.]
- AnonymousAugust 1, 2012 at 5:55 AM
"If you know Melo, you know he is big on having players earn their stripes when they come into the NBA. He orders rookies to carry equipment and, occasionally, his bag. He believes status is something you earn over time, as you prove yourself in the league over the course of a season or two. So Lin's ascension into stardom and as a main face of the franchise is, without question, something Melo has tried to counter with some humble pie. That's been going on in the NBA for decades."Delete
I don't think there's anyrhing wrong with how LIN approach the 'prima donna' in Melo and Smith. My advise to LIN :Delete
Do not waste your life in friction when it could be turned into momentum.
- AnonymousAugust 1, 2012 at 6:14 AM
"In such settings, being a gentleman is utterly important."Delete
As a fan, as a Christian, I'm impressed & admire JLin's humility. But it takes too much faith to hope these guys will actually appreciate his 'gentleman'-liness. Some might, but most are spoiled-brats who are simply looking for the slighest reason to turn others on him.
We don't stick the Bible to a non Christian'face; we only start proselytizing to pre-believers that receptive to the gospel. We don't want Jeremy to change just to fit into a mold of how the 'norm' behavior of NBA players.Delete
To Jeremy : Be what you are. This is the first step toward becoming better than you are.
- AnonymousAugust 1, 2012 at 6:32 AM
"We don't want Jeremy to change just to fit into a mold of how the 'norm' behavior of NBA players."Delete
- It would be good to practise a bit of discernment, as opposed to engaging in indiscriminate humility.
"Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore BE WISE AS SERPENTS and harmless as doves."
- AnonymousAugust 1, 2012 at 6:43 AM
Perhaps when he has fully established himself, it'll be cool to see him overturn the status quo. But at this point, he need to just focus on his game.Delete
- AnonymousAugust 1, 2012 at 7:02 AM
Ok, just to be clear. I don't mean he should quit being humble & become an NBA ahole.Delete
It'll be good though if he could take into account the context within w/c he'll be operating, & choose the type behavior that will inspire these testosterone-drenched men to envision him as their leader.
The jungle has its own etiquette.Delete
Carmelo Anthony's problem is that he has been SHIELDED from etiquette. Even Lebron James was thrashed by Jason Kidd and others until he became a gentleman. That's why Lebron is a worthy champion and Carmelo Anthony leads a lottery team.
Jeremy Lin has thrived in the jungle because he's a gentleman. Because Jeremy Lin has never been coddled, he is a gentleman to everybody. That causes good players to embrace him and bad players to shun him.
When Larry Bird was on the set of Space Jam with Michael Jordan, MJ had his own little cooler with "his stuff".
Over the terrified protests of everyone, Bird went into that cooler and started handing out all of MJ's stuff to the crews and custodians. Bird said "Aren't we all one family here?"
MJ never said a word, as he never went in that cooler anyway. Bird continued to hand out MJ's stuff.
JUNGLE RULES - be a gentleman or LOSE.
- AnonymousAugust 1, 2012 at 9:01 AM
I'm all for JLin being a gentleman. You can be a gentleman without messing with the trash. [C'mon, how hard is this?]Delete
"Jeremy Lin has thrived in the jungle because he's a gentleman."
Well, people will go thru the motions of PC.
But he's getting piled on right now. & When the season starts, they'll fall all over each other to try injure him.
"That causes good players to embrace him and bad players to shun him."
Absolutely, good guys surely like him a lot. Just not enough to go to bat for him. I have no doubt Novak would still have defended Melo had they gotten JLin back in the team. He likes JLin, but he respects [fear] Melo's power.
JLin needs to inspire a certain type of respect, not be liked like a buddy you can take for granted.
They see him as a boy [Have you seen how Chandler cocks his head towards JLin when JLin speaks to him? Like how you would towards a precocious child. Chandler doesn't do that to Shump, who is younger.]
Being Asian, he needs to rev up the masculinity a few notches up to even be PERCEIVED to be at par with the other guys.
He needs to go easy on the menial Rookie tasks. Not everybody will see this as being gentlemanly, it can taint him as SUBMISSIVE. He can be humble some other way. [Like giving his ticket to a team mate - a grand, manly gesture.]
He need to cultivate an image that would allow these men to respect him as their equal & for his team mates to accept him as their leader.
- AnonymousAugust 1, 2012 at 9:10 AM
I do agree with you, if it can come off as gentlemanly [as oppose to slavish,] awesome.
But you see how stupid asian stereotypes have complicated things in the past.
Of course.Delete
However, my view is that negative stereotypes degrade only the people that hold them.
Every time Carmelo Anthony and JR Smith play the Knicks, Lin will be going right at them. That's the nature of the NBA jungle.
People are less likely to fire on others if they're not protected from being fired on.
No Asian man has to "rev up" his masculinity to appear equal to nonAsian men.Delete
In my life, I am just myself. I don't have to be more or less than the Asian American man I am. It works just fine for me, and Lin's doing the same thing.
Lin is doing just fine being Lin.
Well said, KHuang. Jeremy just needs to stay true to who he is.Delete
That's the reason people of all race (except the fools and jealous teammates) love him so don't change a thing.
@via, I understand your concern for Jeremy not to be perceived as a doormat being a 'weak' Asian-American or Christian but if you remember how upset Jeremy was at Melo or Amare at the end of NY-Milwaukee game when Melo forgot to block out Ilyasova who got the rebound and scored, Jeremy shows he can be tough when he needs to. I was actually worried at the time if he overstepped his bounds being the rookie to disrespect a senior All-Star teammate by yelling in public but it was just in the heat of the moment so that's fine.
And I wouldn't worry too much about reading Tyson Chandler's body language to cock his head down when talking to Jeremy as a sign of disrespect. He's kinda tall and I see it as a big bro-little bro thing since they're laughing things off. If Tyson starts putting down Jeremy in his comments along with this body language, that's a different thing.
@via wong, I don't think people need to "act" tough or act like many of the brats of the NBA to get respect. Everyone has their own style of leadership. But I would say this. A person has got to be firm and even pissed off if he/she going to get the short end of the stick.Delete
A person should never settle for the typical, "oh, don't start a fight" or "just ignore it" mentality typically preached by Asian parents. If a person wants something or wants do something, just go out there and take it or do it. No one is going to stop us except ourselves.
Let me tell you an instance I ran into. I was on a basketball court one time, a bunch of black dudes were playing and after they finished, one crazy nut told me to go play with the other teams. Man, that pissed me off! I told that a-hole to get hell off the court if he doesn't want to play. I yelled at him so loud, all the black dudes looked at me and thought I was nuts. :) I chewed that dude out so bad, he sat quietly on the sidelines to watch and never looked my way. The next time the guy saw me there, he came over to apologise and shook my hand. And I'm by no means a good basketball player. :) The dude was 6'4", and I'm almost a foot shorter than him.
My point is, everyone should be themselves. As for the stereotypes others have, hell, they're just stereotypes. That never held me down. But I would say that learning to hold one's own is like anything else, it takes practice to be good at it. It's actually part of being a good leader.
As far as being shorter, what is the big deal? I look up to everyone I talk to almost. Humans come in all sizes, fat and wide, tall and skinny, etc. The most important asset is the mind. Arms and legs can be replaced, the body can get skinnier or fatter, but the mind, that is the greatest asset of all. If you know how to use it, there is nothing out there that can stop it. It is so true, people are only limited by what they think!Delete
Jeremy might be humble off court but he os a beast on court!Delete
I've been saying repeatedly that Jeremy Lin is NOT HUMBLE.Delete
Inside, he thinks he can beat everybody. He doesn't say it, but his game and swagger reflect that.
Jeremy Lin is polite and respectful, but he's actually a cocky brash player whose in yo face style of play shows how unstoppable he thinks he is.
NBA players should always feel unstoppable when they step on a court. Yet they also have to be respectful and gentlemanly too. Having a cocky ego and being a gentleman are NOT OPPOSITE.
How we think shows through in how we act. Attitudes are mirrors of the mind. They reflect thinking.Delete
- AnonymousAugust 1, 2012 at 9:36 PM
However, my view is that negative stereotypes degrade only the people that hold them.
- That a very noble [& unrealistic] way of thinking.
"No Asian man has to "rev up" his masculinity to appear equal to nonAsian men."
- Guys I'm not saying Asian men are unmasculine [why would I think this? My dad, uncles, bros, cousins...c'mon.]
What I'm saying is there is a FALSE PERCEPTION out there that will not die.
"I was actually worried at the time if he overstepped his bounds being the rookie to disrespect a senior All-Star teammate by yelling in public but it was just in the heat of the moment so that's fine."
He's not a rookie anymore. But people keep seeing that.
"I see it as a big bro-little bro..."
- It would be preferable if he gets out of the 'little bro' category & simply be seen as a team mate, an equal.
A 'big bro' will feel nothing about castigating [disrespecting] a 'little bro' in public. I bet Melo believed he was some kind of big bro too.
All I know is Tyson's defending Melo. [as to be expected, of course. I'm sure he LIKES JLin, but he doesn't respect him in a way where he'll come out take his side, if the occassion arises.]
- AnonymousAugust 1, 2012 at 9:37 PM
"I don't think people need to "act" tough or act like many of the brats of the NBA to get respect."
- I don't want him to ACT tough. All I'm saying is: Don't pick-up the trash after others. This is ONE LITTLE THING he can skip. ONE. When did this one act become the end-all & be-all of humility?
There is an asian male stereotype that works against him. You can take the high road, ignore it, but for sure it will continue to cause trouble for him [it's been causing trouble since no-scholarship.] People continue to see him as fragile, unathletic. [Also greedy, sneaky] One way you turn a stereotype around is to put opposing images out there consistently, to belie it. Barring that, you refrain from supplying images that would support the stereotype.
How do you think a black guy in an all-white League would approach this? Pick-up trash after others? There are a hundred other ways to be humble. Let this one pass. There's so many cons to it, & the pros can be had doing some other thing.
"As far as being shorter, what is the big deal?"
I'm not talking about being shorter. Like Psalm234 said, it's a big bro-little bro thing. You want equals. EQUALS.
- AnonymousAugust 1, 2012 at 9:39 PM
Listen guys, just to be clear.Delete
Asian men are plenty masculine. However for some stupid reason, people keep clinging to A FALSE PERCEPTION [People who see JLin killing it in practice are unable to see what their eyes are actually seeing.]
It's one of the reason people feel free to disrespect on JLin.
Just as he is racially aware enough when dealing with diff types of people in his daily life, he can practise perspicacity when 'humbling' himself.
I DON'T want him to change, just to be MINDFUL. Consider this as ONE tiny restraint.
African-americans are so sensitive about how they are seen, & depicted why? Impressions matter. A LOT. They know people will treat you how they see you. [They are very very sensitive to suspicions of being disrespected. Bec you don't want a snowball effect, you nip it in the bud.]
You don't want to further bolster a stereotype by doing something that can be construed as confirming that stereotype. People will never be fair [why should they?] & so far people have not dealt intelligently with JLin's ethnicity [maybe they can't even see the frames by w/c they are seeing him.]
But they can be helped along to think differently.
- AnonymousAugust 1, 2012 at 9:40 PM
1 Corinthians 9:20Delete
"To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law."
I'm not saying he should become an NBA brat. I'm saying be mindful of the context in w/c he do things. Don't run too counter with the implicit values in the League. Let it be easier for other players to see him as Leadership material, not just a buddy. Let it be easier for those NBA brats to accept him.
In that way he needn't be subject to all these random jabs & small fires that is distracting from his true calling: To glorify God by playing Godly Basketball.
Think of the Big Picture, like St Paul.
I'm not saying he should not be himself. Perhaps he is so guileless that it doesn't even occur to him people could misinterpret what he's sincerely doing. So far they have done that with his words & actions, & they will continue. Why not be a bit more...careful? He needs to first get into a position of influence [not mere friendship] with other players, then he can make all the changes he wants from the inside, from a position of power.
- AnonymousAugust 1, 2012 at 9:56 PM
"I've been saying repeatedly that Jeremy Lin is NOT HUMBLE."Delete
He reads John Piper, & Cj Mahaney.
He practises Humility consciously, to counter the temptation Pride. [I mean how can you not love this guy?!]
If Jeremy Lin is going to survive in the NBA, he can humbly go around thinking that he's better than everyone.Delete
Magic Johnson said that when he played, he felt better than everyone. He still respected other players in the league and worked on his game, both of which require humility.
As far as false perceptions of Asian men go, I refuse to be held accountable for them. I'm not going to go out of my way to prove or disprove anything. Frankly, I no longer care what people think anymore.
When people screamed "Pork Fried Rice" at Jeremy Lin, he just put his head down and punked people. That's how you win.
The other thing I caution against is the false perception that Asians and African Americans don't like each other and don't get along.Delete
I've always been superbly respected by the African American community, on and off the court. I love African Americans and have quite a few as dear friends.
Jeremy Lin's success is not an affront to any community. He simply should celebrated as a historic pioneer in Asian American pro basketball.
- AnonymousAugust 2, 2012 at 12:18 AM
You know I salute you for your intrepid spirit.
All I'm saying is, with a little foresight, things can be tweaked, for the better.
He can save himself some heartache.
We don't have to charge head-on towards things all the time. A bit of mindfulness goes a long way.
I mean as a JLin fan, I'd love to be uber-represented as a Christian, as an Asian. That's me being selfish. But the guy will have to deal with the aftermath of certain actions his lone self. It can't hurt to approach things strategically. It's not some kind of self-betrayal.
"The other thing I caution against is the false perception that Asians and African Americans don't like each other and don't get along."
- Indeed a false perception.
I know a lot of Asians who admire & are inspired by the African-american community. There's a lot to learn from each other.
@via wong, I don't know all the details of the situation about Lin picking up someone's trash. But this one situation can be in a gentlemenly way. If a friend left some candy wrapper on a plane, I'd remind him that he left some trash there and I'd pick it up for him and tell him he owes me one. Just a kind thing to do. Now, if someone tells me to go pick up that trash, I'll tell him in the kindest way possible to go jump off a cliff and pick it up himself.Delete
As far as others viewing this as a sign of weakness, I would not necessarily agree. Jeremy can be viewed by his teammates as a kind-hearted, gentlemen, who has ice in his veins on the court (he's proven that). I can see JR Smith never picking up someone else's trash; but then again, who thinks about JR Smith as more than just a basketball player. Folks like Jeremy because he is so more than just basketball. Jeremy is an image of perserverance, hardwork, the underdog, intelligence, overcoming all odds, pursuing a dream, humility, kind-heartedness, etc. I can go on and on.
For me, I think it is certainly a fresh breathe of air that a popular figure is being genuine rather than pretentious or overly concerned about image. We need fewer Kardashians and more Jeremy Lins in this world.
- AnonymousAugust 2, 2012 at 9:58 AM
[KHuang said as much.]
I guess it takes a gentleman to appreciate a gentleman, of which there are many on this site, but the NBA, not so much.
I'd say there's more of JR's ilk in the league than not. Melo made rookies carry his bag. You have to wonder in what light they viewed JLin & if it had any bearing on their subsequent actions.
It's not that JLin should care what people think, but guys like Melo usually are the ones controlling the locker room.
I just don't see these guys understanding what a servant-leader is.
There's more than one way to skin a cat though. JLin can do like St Paul & "To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews." & get to a position of influence with other players. Play to their expectations of what a leader looks like, make them stop resisting him, make it easier for them to follow him.
No self respecting man of any color who wants to lead should kowtow to what others expect of him.Delete
A real man acts like a gentleman and doesn't worry if noted malcontents like JR Smith can't handle it. He goes about his business and signs fancy new contracts with better employers who don't let the inmates run the asylum.
Jeremy Lin doesn't have to live up to anybody else's expectations but his own. He doesn't "represent" anybody other than himself. If others expect more out of him, that's their problem and not his.
Jeremy Lin is responsible solely for his own gentlemanly behavior. He isn't a $25 million BABYSITTER.
Others following Melo, I have not seen. Teammates embracing and hugging Jeremy to death, the world has witnessed.Delete
If I am among a bunch of a-holes, I will refuse to become them. To be different, exceptional, and held to higher standards is better than to be the same, mediocre, and classless. People are attracted to geniune leaders, not a-holes that look or pretend like one.
The greatest leaders in this world have always been the ones who are selfless, geniune, and true to themselves. Jeremy acts no different. The world and his teammates will love him for that.
- AnonymousAugust 2, 2012 at 11:01 AM
"No self respecting man of any color who wants to lead should kowtow to what others expect of him."
- PLAYING to "their" expectations is not kowtowing, KHuang. It's merely understanding people's desires. JLin is in control. This is a strategy. You have to look to the bigger picture.
"Jeremy Lin doesn't have to live up to anybody else's expectations but his own."
- Of course he needn't. His own expectations, is to lead. [He aspires to be a pastor.]
"He doesn't "represent" anybody other than himself."
- He'll tell you he represents God.
"He isn't a $25 million BABYSITTER."
- KHuang, that's not how a servant-leader is.
KHuang, no one cares about JR or Melo.
I care what guys like them could do to JLin though. & before you have an aneurysm, I don't mean he can't take care of himself. He can. Still, I worry.
"To be different, exceptional, and held to higher standards is better than to be the same, mediocre, and classless.
- Indeed. It's a pity the latter are usually able to weasel their way into power.
@via wong, it is getting a bit ridiculous to say that Jeremy is a servant leader just because he is kind enough to pick up a bit of trash for a teammate or whatever the case maybe. Perhaps your instinctive view reflects that of a bird in a cage of beastly animals.Delete
But I can assure you a self-confident person is not going to give a hoot about his own image when he is just trying to help someone or do something out of kindness.
- AnonymousAugust 2, 2012 at 11:36 AM
You do understand this is a 'term,' right?
[I hope you're not thinking literally.]
Characteristics of servant leaders
Jeremy Lin isn't a servant leader in the NBA.Delete
While he and some of his fans believe he has a higher calling, the truth is that Lin's being paid to play basketball. He's not there to massage JR Smith and Carmelo Anthony into team players. That's the coach's job, not Lin's.
Lin is a great player, but he's not there to play den mother for a bunch of incorrigible NBA brats.
It's JUST BASKETBALL, not some sort of religious cultral ecstasy.
I must admit I took it literally. (I've never been involved in Church, though one my uncles is a pastor.) But thank you for the link.Delete
- AnonymousAugust 2, 2012 at 12:11 PM
"Jeremy Lin isn't a servant leader in the NBA."
- He will tell you he is.
JLIN: "I want to make sure I play hard and I play for God. Everything else I can be OK with. I just want to make sure as a person and as a player I'm consistent in what I believe in. The biggest thing for me is waking up every day trying to glorify God. The only thing I can really promise is I'm going to give my best effort. I'm going to do my best to be a great playmaker, a great decision-maker. I'm gonna try my best to be a humble leader and serve my teammates."
"He's not there to massage JR Smith and Carmelo Anthony into team players...he's not there to play den mother for a bunch of incorrigible NBA brats."
- That's not what a servant-leader is.
"It's JUST BASKETBALL, not some sort of religious cultral ecstasy."
- I hate to break it to you KHuang, he plays to glorify God.
His faith makes him great, where is the offense?
- AnonymousAugust 2, 2012 at 12:22 PM
You can't take God out of JLin's game. This is who he is.
We can enjoy his play our individual ways though.
@via wong, I'll still have to disagree with your view that Jeremy has to change his ways to be a better fit in the NBA and a better leader to his teammates. I think he is a fine leader the way he is. We can go on and on to debate this, but the fact remains that his NY teammates embraced his leadership and not Melo's.Delete
I predict that Jeremy's new Houston teammates will embrace his leadership as well.
- AnonymousAugust 2, 2012 at 12:52 PM
I get where you're coming from.
I myself think he's continuously refining his ways.
Houston is a new chapter, I agree they'll welcome his leadership.
I'm not religious, and I'm definitely not Christian. I'm also utterly inconvertible.Delete
I enjoy watching Lin play in the NBA. It's not some sort of Asian pride or religious calling for me. I'm completely uninterested in anybody trying to feel Azn pride or Christian godliness.
"Saving" me won't work, for those of you who are hoping to try.
I couldn't care less what's going on in Jeremy Lin's head, and I couldn't care less what his faith is.Delete
As long as he can play basketball to his potential, that's all I care about. He is being paid by the Houston Rockets to play basketball, not deliver sermons or be a "servant leader".
I've faced my share of religious persecution too, so I have ZERO TOLERANCE for people trying to use Christianity to interfere in my life.
Let's not read too deep into LIN being a Christian and a NBA player. He always identify himself as a Christian before anything else because being one humbles him and keep him grounded and motivates him and keep him going theu adversity. We as fan just need to stand by him, support him and I believe he has no intention to converts anyone into Christian at this stage of life for bb is focal point now; maybe after he is done in NBA and become a pastor, as he intends to be one in the future.Delete
And via wong, don't go about calling me "unrealistic".Delete
I have faced down a lifetime of incorrect stereotyping from foes Asian and nonAsian. I know exactly how to debunk those stereotypes by refusing to even play into them. Many times have I thrashed racist foes who were utterly unprepared for this supposedly meek Asian guy to turn on them looking for retaliation.
Jeremy Lin is nothing like the impotent unathletic stereotype of an Asian male that racists like Jason Whitlock and NBA scouts would have people believe. He just has to play his game regardless of what haters think.
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- AnonymousAugust 2, 2012 at 8:05 PM
"Saving" me won't work, for those of you who are hoping to try."
- KHuang, I didn't realize all the God talk might be bothering you. No need to think about people trying to "save" you. :)
"As long as he can play basketball to his potential, that's all I care about. He is being paid by the Houston Rockets to play basketball, not deliver sermons or be a "servant leader".
- Servant-leadership is simply a set of attitudes a Christian takes up. No sermoning. Just good bball, w/c we'll enjoy soon.
"And via wong, don't go about calling me "unrealistic".
I have faced down a lifetime of incorrect stereotyping from foes Asian and nonAsian. I know exactly how to debunk those stereotypes by refusing to even play into them. Many times have I thrashed racist foes who were utterly unprepared for this supposedly meek Asian guy to turn on them looking for retaliation."
- I can see you speak from bitter experience.
Perhaps I was just cynical.
"Jeremy Lin is nothing like the impotent unathletic stereotype of an Asian male that racists like Jason Whitlock and NBA scouts would have people believe. He just has to play his game regardless of what haters think."
- I agree.
I've been missing an interesting discussion just because I didn't look up the thread :)Delete
I really appreciate that each of us have common ground in supporting Jeremy to do well even if we might have differences in how we identify with him (i.e. being underdogs, Asian, Christian, etc.) I hope we can continue to share our different perspective with respect even if sometimes we just have to agree to disagree.
@via wong, thanks for posting a good link for definition of servant leaders. It certainly helps to clarify where Jeremy is coming from when talking about "serving" his teammates. It definitely is not kowtowing to older teammates or always deferring to others but most importantly to be a selfless leader who plays for God first and always look out and take care of the needs of his teammates.
I have to say that this idea of playing for the audience of God has a deeper impact to his definition of success more than the religious overtone it sounds first. I've given some thought about the similar comment that Kurt Warner, another prominent NFL ex-QB, said about playing for God and how it contributed to their success.
First of all, it does not mean that you are suddenly struck by God's lightning and play like Superman. Many Christians are as faithful to God but can still suck if they don't work hard. I was telling my 11-year old son that I learned it means to do our best (even if we don't win) with our talent for God liberated from the fear of failure. Many times we can't perform our best because we are afraid to lose, not to win, or disappoint our parents/loved ones. KW said if he lost Superbowl, it's okay because his family and his God still love him. My practical take is to tell my son that it's okay if he fails as long as he works hard and always try his best. So it's not about the result but about the attitude of the heart to do things the right way and treat others the right way.
And the same thinking I would have for Jeremy that even if he can't repeat Linsanity or be a Hall-of-Famer, my attitude is to wish and support him anyway. I hope as fans we can do the same to support Jeremy even if he does not meet our very own expectations of success. In the eyes of his God, he is already successful because he does it the right way.
I hope my perspective helps in any way as I learned a lot from @via wong, @khuang, @gokusays and @Michelle Wong here.
A pure point guard is a player who is set on passing the ball without looking to score, unless the clock is running out. Steve Nash is called a life point guard, but early in his career he was a prolific scorer. And Nash does still score, if given an open shot or an angle to drive to the basket.ReplyDeleteReplies
Actually, the "pure point guard" myth is just a poor excuse for guys who can't score and shoot. If your point guard happens to be the best scorer on the team, you gotta let him take the most shots.Delete
This is why teams with a "pure point guard" or "pure defensive player" in the starting lineup don't win alot of championships. Anytime some player can't score, the opponent will leave him open to double someone else, and dare him to shoot. This makes the player a liability on offense.Delete
It's always hilarious to me that some players are actually praised for their lack of scoring ability when the game of bball is meant to put up the most points. Lol.Delete
In the days of illegal defense where zone defenses were not permitted in the NBA, it was easier for a nonshooting point guard to get by.Delete
That's because guards like Philadelphia's Eric Snow who couldn't score still had to be guarded off the ball. In those days, the first illegal defense call would lead to a warning and subsequent calls would lead to technical free throw calls. Thus, players like Maurice Cheeks and Darrell Walker and Morlon Wiley and Muggsy Bogues could play years in the NBA without actually having to score.
I HATED that illegal defense rule. Superstars like Larry Bird would break it at will, thus causing Boston homer commentators to call it a "man and a half defense" since players had to play man to man defense or double team. Nonsuperstars would get caught in transition and the whistle would blow. Plus, it made guys who could only shoot the three and get to the hole utterly unstoppable, like Steve Francis whose career disappeared as soon as the illegal defense rule was abolished.
Now if the NBA got rid of the horrible "3 second violation" that allows superstars like Tim Duncan to camp out in the lane defensively, I'd be thrilled. I've counted both Duncan and Shaq as having violated the lane rule for more than 10 seconds on a single possession.
A "pure point guard" only works in high school. A NBA point guard must be able to score and demand respect from the opponent's defense. Therefore Nash still scores and will score if the defense allow him.ReplyDeleteReplies
Both Jeremy Lin and Larry Bird had the same "pure point guard" problem in high school.
Their high school coaches got fed up with their overpassing. Both players were told "Shoot the ball or be benched". From that instant on, both players dominated but still took care of everyone else.
This reminds me of an interesting Larry Bird anecdote. In his autobiography "Drive", he wrote about coaching the Pacers. There was an end of the bench player who passed up an open shot in a game. Bird gently pulled the guy aside and ordered him never to pass up an open shot. The player's agent was so grateful that he called up Bird to thank him.
Similarly, MN center Greg Stiemsma found his stride in Boston after Doc Rivers and Kevin Garnett hollered at him to shoot. They stood him in the middle of a team circle and made him say out loud "My name is Greg Stiemsma, and I'm a SHOOTER!"
I like LB, he was like the only caucasion back then, broken the stereotype of bb are for blacks only. I like watching Celtics then. He is magnificient.Delete
Well, not entirely.Delete
There were some great Caucasian basketball players during Larry Bird's playing career. They include
Tom Chambers, John Stockton, Mark Price, Kevin McHale, Bobby Jones, Jeff Ruland, Pete Maravich, Bill Walton, Bill Laimbeer, and many others were fabulous Caucasian players that could compete against anyone.
Latest news flash! KNICKS signed JR SMITH's little brother Chris ro join the 'Adams family' of KNICKS. Opps I am sorry, it was an insult to the Adams Family.ReplyDeleteReplies
Easy there, Michelle Wong.Delete
At the start of every season, NBA teams hold training camp to prepare their players for the upcoming season.
In order to provide competition for the NBA team's players to get used to playing with each other and to try out various strategies, teams hire a bunch of practice players that will likely not make the NBA team they are playing for. Denver Coach George Karl calls those training camp players "no hopers".
Why would "no hopers" come to training camp at all? Because a plethora of scouts, agents, team representatives, and the like observe these practices to recruit players. For example, training camp is a great place to be noticed by international scouts.
I have high respect for Chris Smith or any player that can make a training camp roster. Jeremy Lin started his career that too.
Brothers in the same team? Won't it be conflicts over time?Delete
Probably not.Delete
The Knicks intend to stash Chris Smith in the D league. Who knows, maybe he'll be an All D League 1st teamer and collect triple doubles the way Jeremy Lin did?
On a professional level, brothers should try to outplay each other when they face off.
First thing that came to mind is ... is he signed by CAA?Delete
Seth from postingandtoasting seems to think it's a favor for JR Smith because he did not play well during the summer league, over-dribbling and shooting for just 29% over 5 games.
Along with the recent news of Ron Brewer, another CAA guy, who took less money to sign with the Knicks, you start to wonder what under-the-table dealings CAA had with the Knicks to send their people there. I wonder how much of these deals are illegal to begin with.
Chris Smith joins the CAA ... sorry... New York Knicks!Delete
The Corleone Artists Agency strikes again.
Welcome to Melo's Family! (Just remember, never cross da Family)
- AnonymousAugust 1, 2012 at 10:07 PM
Dolan promised JR to get Chris in. JR is also set to get a big contract next year. All this went down during RFA, JR golfing with Dolan.
Some people think this might have something to do with JR twitter-dissing JLin last month.
thanks @viaDelete
this nepotism and possible CBA violation are too obvious for David Stern not to investigate but it might be hard to prove. I'm just glad Jeremy is out of this NY mess.
Ball don't lie.Delete
If the Knicks think that they've found the next Jeremy Lin minor league superstar in Chris Smith, more power to them.
However, Chris Smith needs to produce more if he's to make the NBA.
It doesn't matter what nepotism or illegality is going on. A pro basketball player like Chris Smith who doesn't produce is HURTING his team.
The Knicks want to create a "loyal" team, rather than a good team. Whew Dolan, the players, and CAA are one entity. Which makes me wonder why Jeremy chose not to sign with CAA like his idol Tebow, was it loyalty to his agent Roger Montgomery ? Maybe he'd still be in a knicks uniform.Delete
The NBA is not a "family".Delete
It is a CUTTHROAT league where only the strongest survive.
Teams that favor certain guys over others based on nonbasketball reasons usually end up losing big. Basketball exposes the weak and keeps the strong.
On the other hand, sometimes family members go crazy. Dominique Wilkins passed on drafting his nephew Damian Wilkins THREE TIMES!!! Damian Wilkins is now a solid NBA veteran whose family background actually worked against him!
Remind me of Eli and Peyton Manning in NFL.ReplyDelete
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Do you know if anyone or any group is organizing to go to MSG on 12/17 to cheer for Lin? If so, please share the info here. I would love to be a part of it. Thanks.ReplyDeleteReplies
Honestly, I would go, but then I'd be buying overpriced tickets and the money would go to Dolan, and MSG.Delete
But like Psalm234 said on 7/26 in another thread: "If the crowd starts chanting "MVP", I want the camera to be on Dolan. It will be priceless!"Delete
I just want to cheer for Lin and to support him, no one can predict what the viewers in MSG will react.
Being able to be there to show support is already priceless to me.
Has anyone seen this "The Rise of Jeremy Lin Trailer"? Very well made and almost professional quality. I'm surprised it didn't have more hits.ReplyDelete
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@Psalm234, this is one of my favorites. :)Delete
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does anyone still have link to the tribute where it shows jeremy hi fiving the fans and ducking his his head towards the end of the clip and they keep chanting his name as he runs to his locker room. can't find it on youtube anymore. it also shows kobe claiming that he doesn't know who jeremy lin was. it was posted here at one from a female i think. can't find it anymore, maybe taken down due to copyright? the clip was amazingly crisp. was the best i have seen out of the rest.Delete
@abo: I believe you are referring to this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z1m7beMXY4&feature=relmfuDelete
It was so touching and amazing that the first time I saw it, I was so moved and even had tears in my eyes.
sorry it's not the one, the one i saw had some intense orchestra or symphony music in the background, it's not very long like this one. the creator probably had to take it down or edit the content cause of copyrighted footage. what a shame. no offense, but was even better than yours. the one i'm talking actually made you proud to be asian american playing basketball, very inspirational.Delete

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009
All About Asexual Relationships: A Recap
Over the past several months I've had a running series of posts on issues facing the asexual community in general and on asexual relationships in particular. I'm going to take a hint from Pretzelboy and have a post summing up the series so that it's easily readable. It all started out with:
What Asexual People Want- A quick overview of the issues facing the asexual community, which I break down into Support, Visibility, Institutionalization (I know, unfortunate word) and Relationships. I posit that asexual people have a relationship problem, and go into more depth in...
The Asexual Problem Part 1: Numbers- A discussion of the (temporarily) shitty outlook for asexual people that want to form romantic relationships with one another. Until we can get a good system in place to hook up asexy singles, a lot of people are going to have a problem finding the kind of intimacy that they want. But it ain't all that bleak, because...
The Asexual Problem Part 2: Language- Asexual people don't necessarily have a problem finding relationships, we just have a problem talking about them. Most of us have very, very poor language for talking about nonsexual intimacy. If we improve that language we can pretty much do it however we want whenever we want with whoever we want. (Yeehaw!)
The Magic Words Part 1: Focus on Relationships- To jumpstart the whole language discussion, I start talking about the language that I use personally. First rule: stop thinking in terms of "friends" and "partners," the binary sucks. Instead, just think in terms of "relationships" and explore the reasons why each relationship is unique. This has the added benefit of conceptually separating a relationship from the person with which you have that relationship (since relationships can often take on a mind of their own.)
The Magic Words Part 2: The Three T's- So if there are no friends or lovers, just "relationships" then how do you distinguish them? I talk about my personal system, which looks at Time, Touch, and Trust (which I used to call "Talk", but whatevs.)
The Magic Words Part 3: Using the Three T's- I flesh out the Three T's some more. They're not only a way to describe where a relationship is at, they're a way to think about growing it. I argue that spending time with someone leads to emotion (touch), expressing emotion leads to discussions about expectations which build trust, and trust makes people spend more time together. I think this cycle is the coolest shit ever.
The Magic Words Part 4: The Big Picture- Ok I lied, I actually think community is the coolest shit ever. After all, I'm not in just one relationship, I'm in a whole community of them. I talk about what it's like to actively build that community, what it feels like to depend on a community for my emotional needs, and how that community provides the kind of deep trust normally found in partnered relationships.
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Hi. You don't know me. I don't know you. I know your younger brother. I went to Crossroads in St. Louis. I just want to say I think it's cool what you're doing, bringing your face to something like this. It probably takes a lot of courage. I just have trouble wrapping my head around it. I mean, I'm 19, I'm a girl, I consider myself to be strait, I suppose. But I've never been in a relationship. I've never had the desire to either. At least not sexually. I've never even been aroused by another person. But I guess I still have hope that I'll meet someone who will make me want those things. Do you feel like that? Are you in a successful relationship now?
- The Impossible K said...
I love this recap :)
I can definitely vouch for the asexual problem part 2 - having recently experienced several problems with language... but ya know, I'm glad I read this before entering my first relationship. It helped me resolve them (for the most part) and get my partner excited about exploring "pseudosexual" alternatives!!
- Ily said...
I agree, community is the coolest shit EVAR. I don't think about community in the same way you do. But it's always been what I've wanted most in life, from my earliest memories. When I was younger, it wasn't a boyfriend or husband I wanted, it was always friends and lots of them. It wasn't until I started AVEN meetups that I realized "community" was what I was looking for, though.
- Unknown said...
hey, yo. found your blog. putting a link for your page on my blog. hope that's cool. cheerios!
- Rima Bhattacharyay said...
Hey there,
How's it going? Just came across your blog. This was all part of my online journey to joining AVEN. Yes, I am the newest (well at least until 5 hours ago) member to your site. It's very liberating and refreshing to be looking at things from a different perspective. This is exactly what asexuality offers. A different take on love. A different take on relationships.
I enjoyed reading your post. Keep up all the good work! Are you on Facebook by any chance?
Take care,
Best wishes,
- Roger said...
Hi, I just wanted to thank you for that insightful and honest post. I agree that community is important, and provides that emotional framework that helps us to grow. Often for issues like this, friends and family are not always people you can depend on. Even though they may be well meaning and may love you in whatever capacity, that doesn't necessarily mean they understand your feelings or can help.
I sometimes think relationships are like open sockets on the Internet. All serve a different purpose and need. Connections between people can be abused the same way the connections between machines can, and each needs to be reguarded as unique in some way.
Thanks again!
I know this is a very belated comment, but I just read through all the posts in this recap and I just want to say WOW. Wow, wow, wow. I love your idea of completely breaking down the binary between "friendship" and "romance" and using totally new language to describe relationships. I've spent years struggling with the romance/friendship binary and the lack of any sort of coherent language to describe relationships that don't quite fit into either category.
One question for you. Say I'm in a relationship (of whatever sort) with L. I'm having a conversation with S, who doesn't know L, and happen to make a brief reference in the course of said conversation to something L once said. Ordinarily I (and most other people, I suspect) would just say, "My friend/boyfriend/girlfriend L says..." But if I'm trying not to use the words "friend," "boyfriend," and "girlfriend" to refer to people, then how would I refer to L in such a context?
I can't drop the first part of the sentence and just say, "L says..." because S doesn't know who L is, so he'll be confused. But I also don't want to get into a detailed explanation of what exactly my relationship with L is, because it doesn't really fit into my sentence and might derail the entire conversation. After all, we're not having a conversation about L - we're just having a conversation to which something L once said is relevant.
So how can I give S a context for who this L person is while avoiding both (a) labeling L a "friend"/"boyfriend"/"girlfriend" and (b) going on a tangent about my exact relationship with L?
- A grey-ace and occasional AVEN lurker


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Rasterbation TG06
From Doomtech
Update: Sadly, we are no longer the largest known rasterbation. Someone decided to out-nerd us, but we will strike back hard with guns and explosives at the appropriate moment.
We are listed as the second largest known rasterbation at the Homokaasu rasterbation page (discussion thread here), which is the holy grail of rasterbations :) We have also been featured on DigitalLifeTV! Check out Ep. 55 at this page. A big thanks to the guys at DLTV for an excellent piece.
Who is behind all this?
The idea was concieved by me (Nichotin) and bakkus at TG05, when we made two small rasterbations with 100 sheets of paper (approx. 3x2 metres). After the huge success, and TG security making us tear down the page with goatse, we decided we wanted to try to break the 352 sheet record set by the former largest known rasterbation. Initially we wanted to create one with 30x30 (900) sheets of A4 paper, but after we realized that we had way too much resources, we decided to bump the number of pages to 35x35 (1225) sheets of paper.
- We spent approximately 10 hours printing, counting and verifying that we had the correct numbers of sheets.
- We were about 30 people, all in nice red t-shirts, who spent our Friday in one end of the hall restacking and taping the rasterbation. We were at it from 13:00 on Friday to 02:00 on Saturday.
- The rasterbation is the largest known.
- It is made of 1225 sheets of A4 paper.
- Our rasterbation is 7.35 metres (24.11 ft) wide, and 10.39 metres (34.08 ft) high.
- We spent several rolls of tape, approximately 700 metres (2297 ft) of tape in total (34 x side one + 34 x side two + extra tape used).
Who made this possible?
A very special thanks to:
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- Nichotin, bakkus for being fascist coordinators holding the carrot and the stick at all times. Also thanks to devine and Lord_Kami for helping out on the print job.
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October 19, 2009
Google Map Maker Layer
Google constantly updates Google Maps with data from Map Maker, but the changes aren't reflected immediately. To see the latest data from Google Map Maker, add this layer to Google Maps.
Google Map Maker lets you edit the maps for 174 countries because the maps licensed by Google aren't detailed enough.
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trippy. Can't edit Japan quite yet though :(ReplyDelete
If you have the energy to contribute to such a project, why not go to http://www.openstreetmap.org/ ? It is completely open, so you can get all the data contributed to it (by you and by others) back out! Contrast this with other *Maps products (not just Google Maps), where you have a lot of restrictions on how you can use it (for example you are not allowed to use it for turn-by-turn navigation!).ReplyDelete
I totally agree with cdman83. I've been contributing to OpenStreetMap for a while now and feel it is a rapidly developing platform which will always allow developers full potential. I wouldn't want to see my efforts in mapping an area being restricted to only google and their map providers developments. Especially knowing how much their providers charge, i've not read the documentation for this yet, but would bet that google are plugging info back into navteq, thier provider, a nice closed expensive map provider!ReplyDelete
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In the U.S., Google now uses its own map service based on data gathered from their Street View cars. Previously, they primariy used TeleAtlas as well as some others. However, they still use TeleAtlas for non-U.S. maps though. If you look at the bottom of the map when viewing any area, it'll show the map copyright holder(s).
Thats great! i'll deffinalty be trying that out when i'm next on it.ReplyDelete
OpenStreetMap is the way to go.ReplyDelete
Maybe Google should encourage people to use OpenStreetMap, instead of trying to divert people from such an awesome project.
my friend has a rent car, n he use gps+googlemaps for his carsReplyDelete
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- AnonymousJanuary 13, 2010 at 4:55 AM
when are they gonna bloody update google maps???????they didnt update it since the first half of november!!!!!!!! i worked a lot since then but seems noone updates those maps:((((then why the hell should i continue working on them???ReplyDelete
please someone who knows at least a aproximate date answer!!!
cdman, Thank you for link to http://www.openstreetmap.orgReplyDelete
There is also possibility of exporting their maps, I was searching for that kind of thing, I will be able to get there maps for my Tableau data maps.