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Stated and Examined from Scripture and the Fathers, with scholarly confirmation regarding the Fathers' views.
After explaining the nature of formal sufficiency (i.e. the Reformed view) in an introduction section (link), we explored Scripture's own testimony to its sufficiency (link). Although we could have stopped there, we have begun to explore the patristic testimony to the matter, beginning with the earliest Christian writers (link to discussion), and now continuing with the fathers of the 3rd century - some of whom were born in the 2nd century.
The writings of the 3rd century are in may respects better preserved than the writings of the preceding centuries. Consequently, we have a larger pool from which to draw. This larger pool also necessarily means that we have more specific discussions on more areas of theology, including discussion of Scripture. The following are some examples of what one finds in the third century.
Clement of Alexandria (150 - c. 215):
It is now time, as we have dispatched in order the other points, to go to the prophetic Scriptures; for the oracles present us with the appliances necessary for the attainment of piety, and so establish the truth. The divine Scriptures and institutions of wisdom form the short road to salvation. Devoid of embellishment, of outward beauty of diction, of wordiness and seductiveness, they raise up humanity strangled by wickedness, teaching men to despise the casualties of life; and with one and the same voice remedying many evils, they at once dissuade us from pernicious deceit, and clearly exhort us to the attainment of the salvation set before us.ANF: Vol. II, Exhortation to the Heathen, Chapter 8.
Clement is here affirming not only that Scripture has the content necessary, but also the form necessary, to bring believers to a saving knowledge of the truth.
We see something similar in the next quotation.
Clement of Alexandria (150 - c. 215):
But godliness, that makes man as far as can be like God, designates God as our suitable teacher, who alone can worthily assimilate man to God. This teaching the apostle knows as truly divine. "Thou, O Timothy," he says, "from a child hast known the holy letters, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation, through faith that is in Christ Jesus." For truly holy are those letters that sanctify and deify; and the writings or volumes that consist of those holy letters and syllables, the same apostle consequently calls "inspired of God, being profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished to every good work." No one will be so impressed by the exhortations of any of the saints, as he is by the words of the Lord Himself, the lover of man. For this, and nothing but this, is His only work — the salvation of man. Therefore He Himself, urging them on to salvation, cries, "The kingdom of heaven is at hand." Those men that draw near through fear, He converts. Thus also the apostle of the Lord, beseeching the Macedonians, becomes the interpreter of the divine voice, when he says, "The Lord is at hand; take care that ye be not apprehended empty." But are ye so devoid of fear, or rather of faith, as not to believe the Lord Himself, or Paul, who in Christ's stead thus entreats: "Taste and see that Christ is God?" Faith will lead you in; experience will teach you; Scripture will train you, for it says, "Come hither, O children; listen to me, and I will teach you the fear of the LORD." Then, as to those who already believe, it briefly adds, "What man is he that desireth life, that loveth to see good days?" It is we, we shall say — we who are the devotees of good, we who eagerly desire good things. Hear, then, ye who are far off, hear ye who are near: the word has not been hidden from any; light is common, it shines "on all men."ANF: Vol. II, Exhortation to the Heathen, Chapter 9.
Observe that Clement ascribes a magisterial function to the Scriptures themselves. Who will train you? Scriptures will. And, of course, Clement appeals to the same Scripture we do to glean the same doctrine we glean.
Clement provides a slightly different twist on the same theme in the next quotation.
Clement of Alexandria (150 - c. 215):
And now we must look also at this, that if ever those who know not how to do well, live well; for they have lighted on well-doing. Some, too, have aimed well at the word of truth through understanding. "But Abraham was not justified by works, but by faith." It is therefore of no advantage to them after the end of life, even if they do good works now, if they have not faith. Wherefore also the Scriptures were translated into the language of the Greeks, in order that they might never be able to allege the excuse of ignorance, inasmuch as they are able to hear also what we have in our hands, if they only wish. One speaks in one way of the truth, in another way the truth interprets itself. The guessing at truth is one thing, and truth itself is another. Resemblance is one thing, the thing itself is another. And the one results from learning and practice, the other from power and faith. For the teaching of piety is a gift, but faith is grace. "For by doing the will of God we know the will of God." "Open, then," says the Scripture, "the gates of righteousness; and I will enter in, and confess to the LORD."ANF: Vol. II, The Stromata, Book I, Chapter 7.—The Eclectic Philosophy Paves the Way for Divine Virtue.
Notice how Clement affirms that the Greeks cannot allege ignorance. This implies that the truth is discernible from the Scriptures themselves, and "the truth interprets itself" confirms that this is Clement's meaning.
Clement of Alexandria (150 - c. 215):
But if from any creature they received in any way whatever the seeds of the Truth, they did not nourish them; but committing them to a barren and rainless soil, they choked them with weeds, as the Pharisees revolted from the Law, by introducing human teachings, — the cause of these being not the Teacher, but those who choose to disobey. But those of them who believed the Lord's advent and the plain teaching of the Scriptures, attain to the knowledge of the law; as also those addicted to philosophy, by the teaching of the Lord, are introduced into the knowledge of the true philosophy: "For the oracles of the Lord are pure oracles, melted in the fire, tried in the earth, purified seven times." Just as silver often purified, so is the just man brought to the test, becoming the Lord's coin and receiving the royal image.ANF: Vol. II, The Stromata, Book VI, Chapter 7.
I haven't placed anything in bold in the quotation above, because I'd have to put almost everything in bold. Notice how Scripture is treated as being the seeds of the Truth, the Law (the books of Moses) is referred to as a Teacher, believers are those who "believed in the Lord's advent and the plain teaching of the Scriptures" and these attain to knowledge of the law.
Clement also puts the idea of formal sufficiency another way:
Clement of Alexandria (150 - c. 215):
Therefore, in the divine education, it is necessary that duties be imposed upon us, as things commanded by God and provided for our salvation. But, since of things that are necessary, some are for this life alone, while others cause the soul to aspire after a good life in the next world, it is but right that some obligations be imposed merely for living, and others for living well. Whatever is imposed for material life is binding upon the multitude, but what is adapted to living well, that is, the things by which eternal life is gained, should be able to be gathered from the Scriptures by those who read them, gathered at least in their general outline.FC, Vol. 23, Clement of Alexandria: Christ the Educator, Chapter 13, §103 (New York: Fathers of the Church, Inc., 1954), p. 91.
This is not a surprising doctrine, of course. It is just what the Scriptures themselves teach, but the point that we can gain a knowledge of those things necessary for eternal life from reading the Scriptures is plainly Clement's teaching.
Clement of Alexandria (150 - c. 215):
But if philosophy contributes remotely to the discovery of truth, by reaching, by diverse essays, after the knowledge which touches close on the truth, the knowledge possessed by us, it aids him who aims at grasping it, in accordance with the Word, to apprehend knowledge. But the Hellenic truth is distinct from that held by us (although it has got the same name), both in respect of extent of knowledge, certainly of demonstration, divine power, and the like. For we are taught of God, being instructed in the truly "sacred letters" by the Son of God.Stromatum, Liber Primus, Caput 20, PG 8:816; translation in ANF: Vol. II, The Stromata, Book I, Chapter 20.
Εἰ δὲ καὶ πόῤῥωθεν συλλαμβάνεται φιλοσοφία πρὸς τὴν ἀληθείας εὕρεσιν, κατὰ διαφόρους ἐπιβολὰς διατείνουσα ἐπὶ τὴν προσεχῶς ἁπτομένην τῆς ἀληθείας τῆς καθ' ἡμᾶς εἴδησιν, ἀλλὰ συλλαμβάνεταί γε τῷ λογικῶς ἐπιχειρεῖν ἐσπουδακότι ἀνθάπτεσθαι γνώσεως. χωρίζεται δὲ ἡ Ἑλληνικὴ ἀλήθεια τῆς καθ' ἡμᾶς, εἰ καὶ τοῦ αὐτοῦ μετείληφεν ὀνόματος, καὶ μεγέθει γνώσεως καὶ ἀποδείξει κυριωτέρᾳ καὶ θείᾳ δυνάμει καὶ τοῖς ὁμοίοις· θεοδίδακτοι γὰρ ἡμεῖς, ἱερὰ ὄντως γράμματα παρὰ τῷ υἱῷ τοῦ θεοῦ παιδευόμενοι·
Notice that Clement is here affirming that God himself teaches us, and this is described as being instruction in the "sacred letters."
Turning from Clement in Alexandria, we can travel west across Africa to Tertullian, who is often called the "Father of Latin Christianity." The earliest major father who wrote in Latin, Tertullian had significant influence in the West, even though he eventually fell into Montanism.
Tertullian (c. 160-c. 220):
But what hinders them from readily perceiving this community of the Father's titles in the Son, is the statement of Scripture, whenever it determines God to be but One; as if the selfsame Scripture had not also set forth Two both as God and Lord, as we have shown above. Their argument is: Since we find Two and One, therefore Both are One and the Same, both Father and Son. Now the Scripture is not in danger of requiring the aid of any one's argument, lest it should seem to be self-contradictory. It has a method of its own, both when it sets forth one only God, and also when it shows that there are Two, Father and Son; and is consistent with itself [i.e. sufficient itself, suficit sibi, PL 2:177]. It is clear that the Son is mentioned by it. For, without any detriment to the Son, it is quite possible for it to have rightly determined that God is only One, to whom the Son belongs; since He who has a Son ceases not on that account to exist, — Himself being One only, that is, on His own account, whenever He is named without the Son.ANF: Vol. III, Against Praxeas, Chapter 18.
Notice Tertullian's confidence in the Scriptures. Although he obviously is explaining the Scriptures, he is bold to state that the Scriptures are sufficient to themselves - they don't require someone's supporting argument.
As excellent as those comments are, Tertullian's next comments are even more appropriate in dealing with modern Rome.
Tertullian (c. 160-c. 220):
He, therefore, will not be a Christian who shall deny this doctrine which is confessed by Christians; denying it, moreover, on grounds which are adopted by a man who is not a Christian. Take away, indeed, from the heretics the wisdom which they share with the heathen, and let them support their inquiries from the Scriptures alone: they will then be unable to keep their ground. For that which commends men's common sense is its very simplicity, and its participation in the same feelings, and its community of opinions; and it is deemed to be all the more trustworthy, inasmuch as its definitive statements are naked and open, and known to all. Divine reason, on the contrary, lies in the very pith and marrow of things, not on the surface, and very often is at variance with appearances.ANF: Vol. III, On the Resurrection of the Flesh, Chapter 3.
Notice that Tertullian seems to suggest "scriptures alone" as the solution to heresies. His comment about taking away the wisdom they share with the heathen reminds me of the issue of transubstantiation - a dogma that is only possible by importing Aristotelean categories into the text of Scripture, but I digress.
Heading back to Alexandria, we encounter a man 35 years younger than Clement and 20 years younger than Tertullian, but teaching the same doctrines. Again, we note that not everything that Origen taught was good. His hermeneutic of metaphor and his apparent universalism are not to be followed (and we might add some other things as well). Nevertheless, Origen was perhaps as influential in the East as Tertullian was the in West. Much of his vast body of work has been lost, but an enormous amount still remains.
Origen (c. 185-c. 254):
Celsus next proceeds to say, that the system of doctrine, viz., Judaism, upon which Christianity depends, was barbarous in its origin. And with an appearance of fairness, he does not reproach Christianity because of its origin among barbarians, but gives the latter credit for their ability in discovering (such) doctrines. To this, however, he adds the statement, that the Greeks are more skillful than any others in judging, establishing, and reducing to practice the discoveries of barbarous nations. Now this is our answer to his allegations, and our defense of the truths contained in Christianity, that if any one were to come from the study of Grecian opinions and usages to the Gospel, he would not only decide that its doctrines were true, but would by practice establish their truth, and supply whatever seemed wanting, from a Grecian point of view, to their demonstration, and thus confirm the truth of Christianity. We have to say, moreover, that the Gospel has a demonstration of its own, more divine than any established by Grecian dialectics. And this diviner method is called by the apostle the "manifestation of the Spirit and of power"of "the Spirit," on account of the prophecies, which are sufficient to produce faith in any one who reads them, especially in those things which relate to Christ; and of "power," because of the signs and wonders which we must believe to have been performed, both on many other grounds, and on this, that traces of them are still preserved among those who regulate their lives by the precepts of the Gospel.ANF: Vol. IV, Origen against Celsus, Book I, Chapter II.
Notice how Origen is quite bold to proclaim the power of the Scriptures not only to establish their own truth, but also to produce saving faith in anyone who reads them. That's one way of expressing the formal sufficiency of Scripture, as we've already explained it.
That is, of course, not the only time Origen makes this kind of claim for Scripture. Here's another example.
Origen (c. 185-c. 254):
The more one reads the Scriptures daily and the greater one's understanding is, the more renewed always and every day. I doubt whether a mind which is lazy toward the holy Scriptures and the exercise of spiritual knowledge can be renewed at all.Gerald Bray, ed., Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture, New Testament VI: Romans (Downers Grove: InterVarsity Press, 1998), p. 308.
The point here is slightly tangential at first glance. But consider the point that what Origen is saying is that reading the Scriptures is the way to better understand the Scriptures.
That's why we also find Origen saying this:
Origen (c. 185-c. 254), commenting on Romans 9:20:
If we want to know something of the secret and hidden things of God and if we are not people of lusts and contentions, then let us inquire faithfully and humbly into the judgments of God which are contained more secretly in holy Scripture. For even the Lord said: Search the Scriptures, knowing that these things are applicable not to those who are busy with other matters and only hear or read the Bible from time to time, but to those who with a pure and simple heart endeavor to open up the holy Scriptures by their labor and constant attention. I know well enough that I am not one of them! But anyone who is, let him seek and he will find.Gerald Bray, ed., Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture, New Testament VI: Romans (Downers Grove: InterVarsity Press, 1998), pp. 259-260.
It's hard to imagine the Bible being more formally sufficient than that. Origen is quite explicit that anyone who is willing to give constant attention to the Scriptures can seek and find the truth in them.
We might add, at this point, that Origen also viewed the authority of Scripture as sufficient to refute heretics.
Origen (c. 185-c. 254):
And now, what we have drawn from the authority of Scripture ought to be sufficient to refute the arguments of the heretics.ANF: Vol. IV, Origen De Principiis, Book II, Chapter 5, §3.
It might not appear that this is directly related to the sufficiency of Scripture, but consider that if Scripture cannot be properly understood without tradition and the magisterium, any argument that is only based on the authority of Scripture would inherently be insufficient. Thus, by affirming the sufficiency of the authority of Scripture, Origen is affirming the formal sufficiency of Scripture.
Heading north from Egypt, we can turn to Firmilian, who naturally teaches the same doctrine on this point.
Firmilian, Bishop of Caesaria (c. 200-268):
But to what they allege and say on behalf of the heretics, that the apostle said, "Whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached," it is idle for us to reply; when it is manifest that the apostle, in his epistle wherein he said this, made mention neither of heretics nor of baptism of heretics, but spoke of brethren only, whether as perfidiously speaking in agreement with himself, or as persevering in sincere faith; nor is it needful to discuss this in a long argument, but it is sufficient to read the epistle itself, and to gather from the apostle himself what the apostle said.ANF: Vol. V, The Epistles of Cyprian, Epistle 74 - To Cyprian, Against the Letter of Stephan 254 A.D., §20.
Obviously, the scope of Firmilian's comment is related to a specific doctrinal issue, but it is evidence of his overall hermeneutic, in which it is not necessary to supplement the authority of Scripture with additional sources of authority - nor is it necessary to do more than read Scripture to determine the meaning of Scripture.
The following quotations are the two prefaces to Cyprian's treatise XII, the first from Book I, the second from Book III. The remainder of the three book treatise is essentially just verbatim quotations from Scripture (excluding the chapter headings).
Cyprian of Carthage (d. 258):
Cyprian to his son Quirinus, greeting. It was necessary, my beloved son, that I should obey your spiritual desire, which asked with most urgent petition for those divine teachings wherewith the Lord has condescended to teach and instruct us by the Holy Scriptures, that, being led away from the darkness of error, and enlightened by His pure and shining light, we may keep the way of life through the saving sacraments. And indeed, as you have asked, so has this discourse been arranged by me; and this treatise has been ordered in an abridged compendium, so that I should not scatter what was written in too diffuse an abundance, but, as far as my poor memory suggested, might collect all that was necessary in selected and connected heads, under which I may seem, not so much to have treated the subject, as to have afforded material for others to treat it. Moreover, to readers also, brevity of the same kind is of very great advantage, in that a treatise of too great length dissipates the understanding and perception of the reader, while a tenacious memory keeps that which is read in a more exact compendium. But I have comprised in my undertaking two books of equally moderate length: one wherein I have endeavoured to show that the Jews, according to what had before been foretold, had departed from God, and had lost God's favour, which had been given them in past time, and had been promised them for the future; while the Christians had succeeded to their place, deserving well of the Lord by faith, and coming out of all nations and from the whole world. The second book likewise contains the sacrament of Christ, that He has come who was announced according to the Scriptures, and has done and perfected all those things whereby He was foretold as being able to be perceived and known. And these things may be of advantage to you meanwhile, as you read, for forming the first lineaments of your faith. More strength will be given you, and the intelligence of the heart will be effected more and more, as you examine more fully the Scriptures, old and new, and read through the complete volumes of the spiritual books. For now we have filled a small measure from the divine fountains, which in the meantime we would send to you. You will be able to drink more plentifully, and to be more abundantly satisfied, if you also will approach to drink together with us at the same springs of the divine fullness. I bid you, beloved son, always heartily farewell.- Cyprian of Carthage, Treatise XII, Book 1, Preface, ANF5
Cyprian of Carthage (d. 258):
Cyprian to his son Quirinus, greeting. Of your faith and devotion which you manifest to the Lord God, beloved son, you asked me to gather out for your instruction from the Holy Scriptures some heads bearing upon the religious teaching of our school; seeking for a succinct course of sacred reading, so that your mind, surrendered to God, might not be wearied with long or numerous volumes of books, but, instructed with a summary of heavenly precepts, might have a wholesome and large compendium for nourishing its memory. And because I owe you a plentiful and loving obedience, I have done what you wished. I have laboured for once, that you might not always labour. Therefore, as much as my small ability could embrace, I have collected certain precepts of the Lord, and divine teachings, which may be easy and useful to the readers, in that a few things digested into a short space are both quickly read through, and are frequently repeated. I bid you, beloved son, ever heartily farewell.Cyprian of Carthage, Treatise XII, Book 3, Preface, ANF5
Notice the way that Cyprian views these Scriptures as sufficient in themselves to provide instruction, once they have been brought to the reader's attention. He provides a compendium, yes, but he's providing a list of verses - not a commentary on the verses.
Cyprian of Carthage (d. 258):
These things were before declared to us, and predicted. But we, forgetful of the law and obedience required of us, have so acted by our sins, that while we despise the Lord's commandments, we have come by severer remedies to the correction of our sin and probation of our faith. Nor indeed have we at last been converted to the fear of the Lord, so as to undergo patiently and courageously this our correction and divine proof. Immediately at the first words of the threatening foe, the greatest number of the brethren betrayed their faith, and were cast down, not by the onset of persecution, but cast themselves down by voluntary lapse. What unheard-of thing, I beg of you, what new thing had happened, that, as if on the occurrence of things unknown and unexpected, the obligation to Christ should be dissolved with headlong rashness? Have not prophets aforetime, and subsequently apostles, told of these things? Have not they, full of the Holy Spirit, predicted the afflictions of the righteous, and always the injuries of the heathens? Does not the sacred Scripture, which ever arms our faith and strengthens with a voice from heaven the servants of God, say, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only shall you serve? " [Deuteronomy 6:13] Does it not again show the anger of the divine indignation, and warn of the fear of punishment beforehand, when it says, "They worshipped them whom their fingers have made; and the mean man bows down, and the great man humbles himself, and I will forgive them not? " [Isaiah 2:8-9] And again, God speaks, and says, "He that sacrifices unto any gods, save unto the Lord only, shall be destroyed." [Exodus 22:20] In the Gospel also subsequently, the Lord, who instructs by His words and fulfils by His deeds, teaching what should be done, and doing whatever He had taught, did He not before admonish us of whatever is now done and shall be done? Did He not before ordain both for those who deny Him eternal punishments, and for those that confess Him saving rewards?- Cyprian of Carthage, Treatise 3, Section 7
I know that some of the Roman communion will be tempted to say that Cyprian's words above simply reflect a high view of Scripture. They do reflect a high view of Scripture, of course, but they actually go so far as to describe the Scripture as teaching and to attribute to Scripture the very actions of arming our faith and strengthening it with a voice from heaven. I'm not sure it would be possible to have a higher view of Scripture than that.
From Carthage we can journey north to Rome, and slightly back in time. Hippolytus was born approximately in the middle between Tertullian and Origen, but obviously has a significant overlap with each, in terms of his lifespan.
Hippolytus (c. 170-c. 236):
In this way, then, they choose to set forth these things, and they make use only of one class of passages; just in the same one-sided manner that Theodotus employed when he sought to prove that Christ was a mere man. But neither has the one party nor the other understood the matter rightly, as the Scriptures themselves confute their senselessness, and attest the truth. See, brethren, what a rash and audacious dogma they have introduced, when they say without shame, the Father is Himself Christ, Himself the Son, Himself was born, Himself suffered, Himself raised Himself. But it is not so. The Scriptures speak what is right; but Noetus is of a different mind from them. Yet, though Noetus does not understand the truth, the Scriptures are not at once to be repudiated. For who will not say that there is one God? Yet he will not on that account deny the economy (i.e., the number and disposition of persons in the Trinity). The proper way, therefore, to deal with the question is first of all to refute the interpretation put upon these passages by these men, and then to explain their real meaning. For it is right, in the first place, to expound the truth that the Father is one God, "of whom is every family," "by whom are all things, of whom are all things, and we in Him." Let us, as I said, see how he is confuted, and then let us set forth the truth. Now he quotes the words, "Egypt has laboured, and the merchandise of Ethiopia and the Sabeans," and so forth on to the words, "For Thou art the God of Israel, the Saviour." And these words he cites without understanding what precedes them. For whenever they wish to attempt anything underhand, they mutilate the Scriptures. But let him quote the passage as a whole, and he will discover the reason kept in view in writing it.ANF: Vol. V, Against the Heresy of One Noetus, §§3-4.
Notice, in the quotation above, that Hippolytus not only ascribes to the Scriptures themselves the power to confute heresy, but also explains that when one simply reads the passage of Scripture as a whole, the meaning becomes clear. Of course, he's only applying this principle to this specific passage, but there is not something special about this passage or about the way he is writing that make us think that this is an isolated case.
Indeed, later in the same treatise, we find the following:
Hippolytus (c. 170-c. 236):
There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source. For just as a man, if he wishes to be skilled in the wisdom of this world, will find himself unable to get at it in any other way than by mastering the dogmas of philosophers, so all of us who wish to practise piety will be unable to learn its practice from any other quarter than the oracles of God. Whatever things, then, the Holy Scriptures declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn; and as the Father wills our belief to be, let us believe; and as He wills the Son to be glorified, let us glorify Him; and as He wills the Holy Spirit to be bestowed, let us receive Him. Not according to our own will, nor according to our own mind, nor yet as using violently those things which are given by God, but even as He has chosen to teach them by the Holy Scriptures, so let us discern them.ANF: Vol. V, Against the Heresy of One Noetus, §9
Someone may wish to claim that the sola Scriptura reference at the beginning of the preceding quotation is just referring to material sufficiency. But it is not simply saying that Scriptures have everything we need to know - it is saying it is the one source. There are not, for Hippolytus, two sources (Scripture and Tradition) or three sources (Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium). And while someone might say that he is simply saying that there is a single source, but he's not denying the need to have that single source opened by a non-source Magisterium, his comments about learning from none but Scripture, and especially his final comment about learning in the way in which God teaches them by the Scriptures should seal the matter.
Next, we can turn back east to Asia Minor and Gregory Thaumaturgus, also known as Gregory the Wonderworker.
Gregory Thaumaturgus (213-270):
With respect to these human teachers, indeed, he counseled us to attach ourselves to none of them, not even though they were attested as most wise by all men, but to devote ourselves to God alone, and to the prophets. And he himself became the interpreter of the prophets (ὑποφητεύων) to us, and explained whatsoever was dark or enigmatical in them. For there are many things of that kind in the sacred words; and whether it be that God is pleased to hold communication with men in such a way as that the divine word may not enter all naked and uncovered into an unworthy soul, such as many are, or whether it be, that while every divine oracle is in its own nature most clear and perspicuous, it seems obscure and dark to us, who have apostatized from God, and have lost the faculty of hearing through time and age, I cannot tell. But however the case may stand, if it be that there are some words really enigmatical, he explained all such, and set them in the light, as being himself a skilled and most discerning hearer of God; or if it be that none of them are really obscure in their own nature, they were also not unintelligible to him, who alone of all men of the present time with whom I have myself been acquainted, or of whom I have heard by the report of others, has so deeply studied the clear and luminous oracles of God, as to be able at once to receive their meaning into his own mind, and to convey it to others. For that Leader of all men, who inspires (ὑπηχῶν) God's dear prophets, and suggests all their prophecies and their mystic and heavenly words, has honoured this man as He would a friend, and has constituted him an expositor of these same oracles; and things of which He only gave a hint by others, He made matters of full instruction by this man's instrumentality; and in things which He, who is worthy of all trust, either enjoined in regal fashion, or simply enunciated, He imparted to this man the gift of investigating and unfolding and explaining them: so that, if there chanced to be any one of obtuse and incredulous mind, or one again thirsting for instruction, he might learn from this man, and in some manner be constrained to understand and to decide for belief, and to follow God. These things, moreover, as I judge, he gives forth only and truly by participation in the Divine Spirit: for there is need of the same power for those who prophesy and for those who hear the prophets; and no one can rightly hear a prophet, unless the same Spirit who prophesies bestows on him the capacity of apprehending His words. And this principle is expressed indeed in the Holy Scriptures themselves, when it is said that only He who shutteth openeth, and no other one whatever (Is. 22:22; Rev. 3:7); and what is shut is opened when the word of inspiration explains mysteries. Now that greatest gift this man has received from God, and that noblest of all endowments he has had bestowed upon him from heaven, that he should be an interpreter of the oracles of God to men (Eph. 3:8-9), and that he might understand the words of God, even as if God spake them to him, and that he might recount them to men in such wise as that they may hear them with intelligence (The text gives ὡς ἀκούσωσιν with Voss. and Bengel. The Paris editor gives ἀκούουσιν). Therefore to us there was no forbidden subject of speech (ἄῤῥητον); for there was no matter of knowledge hidden or inaccessible to us, but we had it in our power to learn every kind of discourse, both foreign (Barbarian) and Greek, both spiritual and political, both divine and human; and we were permitted with all freedom to go round the whole circle of knowledge, and investigate it, and satisfy ourselves with all kinds of doctrines, and enjoy the sweets of intellect. And whether it was some ancient system of truth, or whether it was something one might otherwise name that was before us, we had in him an apparatus and a power at once admirable and full of the most beautiful views. And to speak in brief, he was truly a paradise to us after the similitude of the paradise of God, wherein we were not set indeed to till the soil beneath us, or to make ourselves gross with bodily nurture (σωματοτροφεῖν παχυνομένους), but only to increase the acquisitions of mind with all gladness and enjoyment,—planting, so to speak, some fair growths ourselves, or having them planted in us by the Author of all things.ANF: Vol. VI, Acknowledged Writings, The Oration and Panegyric Addressed to Origin, Argument XV.
The discussion above mentions the fact that the Scriptures may be clear in their own nature (as one of two possibilities) and that men are simply blind to it. Gregory goes on to explain that the solution to this blindness is the work of the Holy Spirit. It is essentially the same presentation we made in our explanation of what formal sufficiency means, although Gregory does not use precisely the same words.
Finally, we can go even further east to Archelaus from Caschar in Mesopotamia.
Archelaus (circa 277):
But now, what it is necessary for me to say on the subject of the inner and the outer man, may be expressed in the words of the Saviour to those who swallow a camel, and wear the outward garb of the hypocrite, begirt with blandishments and flatteries. It is to them that Jesus addresses Himself when He says: "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of uncleanness. Or know you not, that He that made that which is without, made that which is within also? " Now why did He speak of the cup and of the platter? Was He who uttered these words a glassworker, or a potter who made vessels of clay? Did He not speak most manifestly of the body and the soul? For the Pharisees truly looked to the "tithing of anise and cummin, and left undone the weightier matters of the law; " and while devoting great care to the things which were external, they overlooked those which bore upon the salvation of the soul. For they also had respect to "greetings in the market-place," and "to the uppermost seats at feasts:" and to them the Lord Jesus, knowing their perdition, made this declaration, that they attended to those things only which were without, and despised as strange things those which were within, and understood not that He who made the body made also the soul. And who is so unimpressible and stolid in intellect, as not to see that those sayings of our Lord may suffice him for all cases? Moreover, it is in perfect harmony with these sayings that Paul speaks, when he interprets to the following intent certain things written in the law: "You shall not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treads out the grain. Does God take care for oxen? Or says He it altogether for our sakes? " But why should we waste further time upon this subject?ANF: Vol. VI, The Acts of the Disputation with the Heresiarch Manes, §21.
Archelaus does go on to add some additional thoughts, but notice that he does speak as though he believes that the plain reading of Scripture, in harmony with itself, is sufficient. Thus, this final quotation (for this segment) is really more of an illustration of someone using the Scriptures as though they are formally sufficient, rather than an explicit teaching that they are formally sufficient.
(to be continued)


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Today we would like to launch the first poll mapping your preferences and suggestions. The poll will last for 2 weeks starting now (don't worry, there should be more blog posts meanwhile). We hope this will allow us to understand your wishes even better and will help us give you better service in the future.
Thursday, June 13, 2013
Which truck do you drive the most in Euro Truck Simulator 2?
Today we would like to launch the first poll mapping your preferences and suggestions. The poll will last for 2 weeks starting now (don't worry, there should be more blog posts meanwhile). We hope this will allow us to understand your wishes even better and will help us give you better service in the future.
326 comments:
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 10:43 AM
Atm scania but im waiting for Mercedes Actros mp4.ReplyDeleteReplies
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 10:51 AM
+ Mercedes Actros mp4.Delete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 12:55 PM
I hope the Mercedes Actros mp4 iss in the new Patch :)Delete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 1:10 PM
I would also like to drive with Mercedes, but the old mp3 is old :), and also has very poor view angle in deaful by you SCS, so it's not comfortable to drive (too high up is the view).Delete
Now I'm driving Renault Magnum and loving it!
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 1:21 PM
Is it so hard SCS, to implement the seating view costumization straight into the game?????Delete
I know that it could be done by editing some codes, but it is annoying and you can't see the result right there.
So please, implement it to the game for god sake, because many of your viewing angles really suck right now, sorry...
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 10:46 AM
we want ford cargoReplyDeleteReplies
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 1:26 PM
No, YOU want Ford Cargo.Delete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 3:51 PM
Ford Cargo, the king of the roads... in third world countries...Delete
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! Peterbilt 379Delete
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 1:00 AM
noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! New Daf is where its at right nowDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 10:47 AM
You got an error. It's Volvo FH not HF. I drive Scania but I'm really impatient for the new VOLVO!ReplyDelete
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hello scs the old truck still with it all the new truck brands comeReplyDelete
eg renault magnum & new renault truck 2013
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 10:52 AM
Volvo is perfect and quiet on top gear. Waiting for new FH series! cheersReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 10:57 AM
i like daf xf in game but i would like to see more older trucks like 95 leyland dafReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 10:58 AM
Actually i answered Volvo but it mostly the scania at this point.ReplyDelete
The ground clearance of the volvo make it a disputable choice for me.
So often i get damage (truck or trailer) even at low speed.
But i guess the scania isn't bad at all (i like it too, just prefer the Volvo).
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM
I love Mercedes and waiting for Mercedes Actros mp4ReplyDelete
Scania T500.... we need more trucks of this style in ETS2 to supplement the CaboversReplyDelete
Nice Volvo HF16..btw what is magestic...there is no magestic in Ets2,Only mercedesReplyDeleteReplies
Have you even played the game?Delete
i really want tandem trucks to come out!! daf, scania and volvo. but i drive Scania R480ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 11:12 AM
I like the Volvo but it bottoms out so drive a RenaultReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 11:12 AM
It would really good to have both older models and newer models. I have mods for many trucks because game offers only few trucks (there is only difference with the chassis combination)ReplyDelete
VOLVO and a litle bit of scania :DReplyDelete
From old trucks, definitely Volvo FH12. Wrote it under mods.ReplyDelete
Yup. Keep making demands, guys. Way to thank devs for this awesome game! :)ReplyDelete
Currently I am driving the most the new Iveco Stralis Highway. Perfect Model But before I was driving Scania with V8 sound mod!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 11:16 AM
I don't understand how choosing one truck in this poll will help you to understand our wishes? Everybody has their own preferences. I drove every truck in ETS2 but mostly Scania andReplyDelete
I can tell you why.
My TOP list:
7. Iveco - old model from GTS so I don't like it.
6. DAF - old model from GTS so I don't like it.
5. MAN - old model from GTS so I don't like it.
4. Renaults - dashboards are too small and they don't have GPS!
3. Majestic - no Mercedes license and no GPS!
2. Volvo - easy to damage and bad FOV in left mirror.
1. Scania - not perfect model but good sounds, good position behind the wheel, good FOV in left mirror, good engines.
We all know Scania is the most polished truck in ETS2 because your "cooperation" with Scania company.
To sum up. SCS you have to rework all the truck and trailer models with your new "less poly" technology.Replies
- LlewelynJune 13, 2013 at 11:37 AM
It's not hard to alter the position and field of view in the cab, although I agree about the Renault dash, it's too hard to read. Mind, I've not looked in a modern Renault to see if that's prototypical.Delete
That's not to say that the viewpoint/FOV couldn't be put right in a patch for some of the trucks.
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 3:06 PM
Wrote: 2. Volvo - easy to damage and bad FOV in left mirror.Delete
Many times asked the developer to make the adjustment of the driver seat!
That everyone could adjust to his interest in racing seat!
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM
AND ALL CABINS ARE STILL NOT FIXED!!!!!!!Delete
That was said BEFORE ETS got released and they still HAVEN'T fixed it. Its ridiculous...
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 4:52 PM
Please make a manual adjustment of the driver's seat in the game. we are hotDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 11:17 AM
Love scania because of it looks the best looking truckReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 11:24 AM
Make for Volvo FH real Dashboard that it was possible to choose as shooters and make a sound when you get peeps there is no airReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM
I drive FH12 in the 1st FH-seriesReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 11:29 AM
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 11:30 AM
Here is another poll:ReplyDelete
a) We want patch and DLC befre get old!
b) Stay with developing as you are!Replies
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 11:33 AM
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 1:28 PM
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 3:12 PM
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 4:07 PM
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 12:35 PM
- LlewelynJune 13, 2013 at 11:33 AM
Right now, a much-modified Kenworth K100 :)ReplyDelete
Of the in-game trucks, I quite like the Scania (I have an 8x8 mod) or the Merc, principally because the sounds are better. One thing that is lagging behind in ETS2 is sound: it's better than the earlier games but still doesn't sound all that realistic, especially, there's not enough variation - for example, all the Scanias sound the same whereas the 6 cylinder and V8 sound very different. Same applies to the V6 and V8 Mercs, and the MANs. Also I found some of them have an odd balance of sounds and a kind of drone which is not pleasant.
One possibility here is that the sounds were recoreded from a solo tractor - ideally, you want source sounds from a fully laden truck which is working. I'm sure that there are enough people in the worldwide community to record these for you :)
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 11:34 AM
Scania R420ReplyDelete
I've been a good boy and voted. But I wonder if it is possible to gather some information from steam, so you don't need such polls. Here is the problem you are facing:ReplyDelete
The blog and the forum aren't representative of your customer base and represent only the hardcore fans, not the casual gamers, which are the majority and generate most of your income.
I know that companies like the Creative Assembly with their Total War franchise are able to gather some info through steam, like how many people complete campaigns on easy, medium and hard difficulty levels. The result is that way more people play on easy than on all the other difficulty levels combined. That means that the usual complaints about stupid AI and insufficient difficulty expressed on forums are not representative.
I for one don't care about the official truck brands, but the sound and looks. Especially the sound is important, even annoying turn signal sounds are reason enough not to buy a truck.
My general interest is not about new trucks, but new features like normal trailers for the ATS or economic cycles with complicated deliveries or loading and unloading of the freight.
And where is the map DLC? I am waiting to throw my money at you!
I want bigger chassis for trucks in this patch .ReplyDelete
I use mostly my Renault Magnum Route 66, it's my favourite brand.ReplyDelete
I'm using some mods also.
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 11:49 AM
I drive mostly the Scania (not sure what name R720?) and the main reason is because the engine sounds better than any others in the game. I also find the Scania to be far better than the other trucks. Faster, easier to drive...Just personal opinion.ReplyDelete
-Get rid of the cash/till noise because when you have numerous garages and trucks, this annoying sound is constant and extremely annoying.
- Also the sound needs tweaking a bit since to hear the engine properly I put the sound on max volume but then any other sounds in the game are deafening eg. the beep when you reverse.
- I personally would like the game to be harder; at least the driving bit. More roadwork, or things stuck on the road, accidents, narrower streets and things like that. Also maybe some dirt roads, and extreme weather conditions. Slippery road on snow...And also some very tiny countryside roads on which it would be really hard to drive.
It would also be nice if the trucks could break down, or have tires needing changing. Maybe implementing a system where trucks get old and need replacing, or fixing (as in much more that in the actual version of the game because It is not very often that I need to repair anything)
Maybe more realistic refuelling system? Once you've spent the skills points on EcoDriving, you barely ever need to stop at a station to refuel.
Otherwise, it's a great game and SCS team is doing a great work. Keep it up:-)
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 11:58 AM
Started in a 6x4 Volvo clocked over 100k miles, but recently been veering towards a 4x2 DAF,the engine isn't as powerful (510 to 750) but it's a nippy little thing that just feels much less cumbersome than the VolvoReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 11:59 AM
SCANIA POWER V8ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 12:04 PM
WHERE IS THE NEW PATCH HURRY UP PLEASE GUYS BEFORE WE DIE HURRY UP PLEASE A LITTLE.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 12:11 PM
Premium Actros New RReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 12:15 PM
Hello, SCS, I want to know if you will make old european trucks like the Scania 93H, the MAN f2000, the first renault premium and Magnum or the renault Major =D !! If you have time, make these trucks !! =DReplyDelete
Daf XF 105.560 Space cab but I would like see new Mercedes Actros because this truck is beautiful. And Other improvements in this game. For Example some police watch or more work on road and bigest load and I would like will go in future to Scandinavia and other countries but I know that it is lot of work on this game a we need time for it. but this is some improvements and idea for you. :)ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 12:21 PM
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 12:25 PM
Chose Volvo from the very beginning, because I like its appearance, interior, combintation meter and trip computer. Besides it is more stable and has the most powerful engine available in early game. Tried all trucks but Volvo is still my favourite oneReplyDelete
Renault Magnum 400 which i converted from GTS ))ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 12:30 PM
When will the Mercedes license come?ReplyDelete
Dear SCS, add, plz, possibility to change sounds depending on the bought engine.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM
I don't have one and only favorite. I drive all possible models at time to time :)ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 12:54 PM
I love Mercedes and waiting for Mercedes Actros mp4ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 1:04 PM
Its possible to add in game time to time the windshield of the truck turn dirty and with the wipers clean up?and I wish more rest areas for trucks.ReplyDelete
Sorry about my English!
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 1:05 PM
My favorite truck scania!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 1:09 PM
+ Volvo fh 16ReplyDelete
Often drive Volvo. Although the drive all the trucks offered
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 1:16 PM
i drive volvo. I would like to drive tandem.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 1:18 PM
I like Scania for it's interior, but it doesn't have GPS. I would like to see GPS, that is located on left, between mirror and steering wheel (for right-side traffic/most of European trucks).ReplyDelete
I also like DAF, but I don't know why.
Please add truck aftermarket and offical modding guide (how to make bigger GPSes).
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 1:18 PM
Amazing how more people drive the Scania when the Volvo is straight up more powerful :).ReplyDelete
I have a Scania and Volvo but i mostly drive my Scania.Iam also waiting for the Mercedes MP4.Really wish if SCS Software can put in in the next patchesReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 1:32 PM
Atm. i drive in MAN/Scania (-:ReplyDelete
I've miss the old MAN TGA model :-( But looking forward for the patch, to se what new trucks are in it etc. (-:
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM
I really like Scania. Scania is my favourite truck brand in real life and so i only drive Scania in ETS2. The models of all trucks are good, the sounds are good, and so on, but scania is the best brand i think.ReplyDelete
There are two things that could be improved on the trucks:
1) A Mercedes-Benz license and the new Actros MP4 would be great
2) The engine sounds are very good, but all sounds are taken from trucks with 6 cylinders. It would be great if the sounds would equal with the cylinders you have in your truck, so that you have a Scania V8-sound when you buy the 730-V8 engine and not the same sound as the 420-R6 engine
- HammerJune 13, 2013 at 1:48 PM
MAN. Because I like the looks, inside and out. And also because it's the one I started the game with. But I'll venture into other brands in the future as well.ReplyDelete
- EurotruckerJune 13, 2013 at 1:58 PM
This is my truck: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/965573_192778754211723_1290319895_o.jpgReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 2:03 PM
What a nice redirect! I don't think it will matter if you put a VW truck in the game. Better/more trucks do not equal better game. Survey = Put the customer off for a longer time and keep em busy so they won't complain. This survey does not equal Timely patches, improved game play, or anything different from what we have now. This poorly conceived plan to put us off further just makes me mad. And it shows that you really are just blowing a lot of smoke up our butts. You say "were committed" yet you split the ETS2 team into 4 pieces. All to develop new games. You say committed but allot of the blogs in the last 6 months have been everything but ETS2. You say committed, yet after 3 quarters of a year passes and no first quarter patches or DLC. You say committed... yet you ask us for a survey that is so irrelevant to your promises and said commitment, that I wounder if you will follow through on anything. Or end up with a "new truck" Bitch please!ReplyDelete
I voted for the Scania R, but I would like that all trucks were all existing trademarks.ReplyDelete
I know that desire takes a long time, but I would like to do so even if slowly, finally thank the great efforts are made to please all of us, thank you very much and a lot of spirit SCS!
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 2:11 PM
And what about a bus simulation?ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 2:26 PM
Truck models I would like to see in the game:ReplyDelete
- New Mercedes-Benz Actros (MPIV)
- Mercedes-Benz Axor
- Scania Logos Topline and Highline and low cab
- New Volvo FH 16 (WIP SCS)
- Iveco Stralis Hi-Way (WIP SCS)
- DAF XF Euro 6
- DAF 95 (Classic)
- Ford Cargo
- Pegaso Troner (Classic)
- Iveco Turbostar (Classic)
- Kamaz 5490
- MAN TGX Euro 6
- MAN F2000 (Classic)
- Mercedes-Benz SK (Classic)
- Scania T
- Renault Premium Lander
- Renault Major (Classic)
- New Scania Streamline
- Scania 143M (Classic)
- Volkswagen Constellation
- Volvo FM
- Volvo F10 (Classic)
- Volvo FH12
- New Renault Premium & Magnum 2013
- MAZ & Kamaz Classics
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 2:36 PM
Please SCS !!! Make a Old truck Patch or a Old truck DLC !!!ReplyDelete
Also, a Patch or DLC include all old trucks from the 1980`s and the 1990's from all country in western europe an eastern europe
This trucks from the 80s and 90s include in the Old truck DLC:
-Pegaso Tecno
-Pegaso Troner
-Iveco TurboStar
-Iveco EuroStar
-Iveco EuroTech
-Iveco Stralis (older Version)
-Renault (from the 80s)
-Renault AE (older Version in the 90's)
-Scania from the 80s and the 90s
-Volvo F 12
-Volvo from the 80s and the 90s
-MAN F-Series
-MAN from the 80s and 90s
-Mercedes SK
-Mercedes Actros (older Version)
-Mercedes Axor
-ERF english trucks from the 80s and the 90s
-Fodden (england)
-Seddon Atkinson (england)
-Skoda (czech trucks)
-Liaz (czech trucks)
-Jelcz (trucks from poland)
-MAZ (trucks from belarus)
-Sisu (trucks from finnland)
-Raba (trucks from hungary)
-Roman (trucks from romania)
-Steyr (trucks from switzerland)
-ÖAF (trucks from austria)
-TAM / TVM (trucks from slovenia)
-FAP (trucks from serbia)
Please SCS, make this trucks !!! Please !!! This is better for your prestige.
And not necessarily those trucks-mods that do not even work. I dont like Mods with ugly graphics and unrealistics sound.
Still waiting for an original MAN- Sound! That`s the only reason I don`t drive all the time with this beautifull machine!ReplyDelete
Love your game,by the way ;)
And I`m very excited `bout the new patch and the DLC, I`ll definitely buy!
Admittedly, atm I am driving the MAN, but I am looking to upgrade to the Scania R again (I was playing around and downgraded my Scania and gave it to the employee :P)ReplyDelete
The Renault Premium does look nice in racing spec, but the power is too low for me to consider running it.
And the Volvo is too powerful from the off (adding in the FH would help this. FH then you can upgrade to the FH16.)
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 3:01 PM
I think sometime in the future you could add MAN TGA in the game. I like it :)ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM
Waiting for new VOLvo FHReplyDelete
Volvo all the way! :)ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM
I used to drive MAN&Scania,but I'm driving Iveco,nowReplyDelete
- ScaniadriverJune 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM
Hello SCS,ReplyDelete
I´m a passionate SCANIA driver, I have a R560 V8,
I would like these things in ETS2:
- a realistic Scania V8 sound,it sounds like a R440,even it´s a R560 in game
- some more tuning parts(bullbars,roofgrill,etc),from the swedish truck styling producer "TRUX" or "KELSA"
-and eventually some more overweight trailers,
with overlength or overwide load
greets from Germany :DReplies
"- some more tuning parts(bullbars,roofgrill,etc),from the swedish truck styling producer "TRUX" or "KELSA""Delete
Not realistic due to licensing...
- ScaniadriverJune 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM
That´s true,but it would be very nice,because the scs parts are mostly unreal ^^Delete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM
I try to drive all the trucks at some point, variation makes it more fun. And sometimes I feel having a FH16 with 750hp becomes abit too much, right now I drive a R560 or maybe I upgrade to 620, and 6x4 config. I hope to see more variation in trailers, I know there's abit of a limit since the roads doesnt really support too long or complicated setups, but tandems would be awesome. Naybe just have a short trailer, not the full since ones. Altho its the full size ones that are the cool part. People have pointed out the sound issue, its too low compared to the other sounds, I use a mod now that give louder and abit better sounds for all trucks.ReplyDelete
This is insulting. Period. You SCS have been given the opportunity to prove to the world that you are NOT a 2 bit Indie company. With this stunt you have proven otherwise. After what you have delayed on, pushed out too, and failed to followed through on. This only shows that had the original review had it been done now, you would not have done so well. (understatement)Compared to other Indie titles such as Torchlight2, Farming sim 2013, Pixil Ink. just to name a few, theseare small companies like yourself. Yet they make complete games and they service them in a timely fashion. What's your problem? Let's see, Little or no marketing department, No PR to speak of, and oh yea You hired a new complaint department head.Her name is Helen Waite. So if you have a complaint go to Helen Waite. (say it outloud) :-)I wish you well. You gona need it. Most Indie games have about a 6 month shelf life. 9 months to a year on a good game. 9 months in and this game is very dusty. I really had high (unrealistic) expectations for you and your company. Now you would have to do something so amazing that you turn the gaming community on it's head. I don't see that happening either.ReplyDeleteReplies
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 6:54 PM
What are you going on about, what's so insulting? what stunt?Delete
SCS are working on new trucks for the game, a new map part of the DLC as well as other parts of the game. if you don't like it then FUCK OFF
What on earth are you ranting incoherently about?Delete
Somebody's throwing their toys out of the pram. I feel I've had my money's worth already. Sunk more hours into vanilla ETS2 than most other games (including Counter-Strike). Anything now is just a bonus. Sorry your expectations were so unrealistic, but they do have other products that they are working on, you know.Delete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 4:06 PM
Some cargo vans like Mercedes sprinter vw crafter caddy ....ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM
Its time that we become the Mercedes lincense and the original MAN Sound. I would drive MAN, i like that truck! But not with the Mercedes sound.ReplyDelete
Greez from Germany!
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 4:32 PM
Mercedes Actros ( Majestic ) is the best , i will be great ,if Mercedes had licensed in game :)ReplyDelete
Currently driving the Scania R, but i'm still on the look-out for a classic Scania LBT141 (mod or maybe a future official classic truck extension.ReplyDelete
i am looking forward to game changes that allow support for fully automatic gearboxes (in terms of physics) instead of automatic shifting of the gearboxes that we see in current games. would also love to see fine-tuning of the implementation of the mechanical components in game, esp implementation of the torque and power curves of the various engines. youve been doing a great job so far! cheers!ReplyDelete
it would be even better if your can remap the truck chassis to contain the ACTUAL front and rear axle hubs of the trucks than use stock axle hubs and rims across all the trucks, which affects the accuracy of the game. Similarly, a DLC containing actual real world rims (especially Alcoa rims) would be very welcome!ReplyDelete
These are you customers feedback, taken directly from the blog site. This is just a small portion and it's all Truck requests. And you ask us for a survey?ReplyDelete
AnonymousApril 22, 2013 at 6:11 AM
I think SCS is run by EA people because they seem to have the same treatment towards paying customers. Its such a shame, I thought SCS cared about there players. We seem to care for them because of how active we keep this blog, Surely they could show the same care in return and stop writing dribble / useless infomation. Come on SCS get your act together and don't become like EA
Still rolling with the big Volvos looking forward to the new ones.
i think the new DAF looks horrible xD take it from a DAF fan.
Love the new Volvo..
Seems I'm gonna have to make the interior all over again, not to mention the
Will there be new Mercedes actros and new Daf XF?
For more choices in truck shop
Please Volvo FM, is beautiful truck:
-realistic clutch
-realistic specs and pricing for trucks
-realistic fuel consumption
-more locations
-bigger cities
-bigger loads
-heavier loads
-better traffic signage
-smarter traffic
-speed limiter removal except in trucks that in real life that would be limited
-more offroad driving
-cube vans and north american trucks
-longer trains
the best game I've played in a while
how about some older trucks like the Volvo F86-88 and the F12 and the FL ranges? as some of us would like to see, and drive the older trucks. maybe do it as dlc
how about some older trucks like the Volvo F86-88 and the F12 and the FL ranges? as some of us would like to see, and drive the older trucks. maybe do it as dlc.
More and more Trucks, very nice.
No Double Trailers :(
I wish you could go back to the old (UKTS) style for trailers, so I can manually edit individual trailers per company instead of this one suits all approach.
Waiting for Mercedes lisence
nissan lorry
more scania
more renault
more freight to airport and sea port like dover
Now what? Get my point
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 5:06 PM
I'm using Scania R700 but I'm waiting Volvo FH-16 2013 in DLCReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 5:09 PM
Daf euro6ReplyDelete
Please SCS make a new mods for all truck tandem with trailer and no trailer for delivery with the tandem just it !! Please ;)ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 5:15 PM
MITSUBISHI FUSO SUPER GREAT !!!!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 5:21 PM
Hello SCS! I'd like to see the new 2013 Mercedes truck in-game, it would be very nice:)ReplyDelete
double trillerReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 5:40 PM
I love Scania.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 5:46 PM
Scania and Volvo would be my two preferred trucks. Though I tend to drive all trucks equally. Any new trucks are always welcome.ReplyDelete
I kind of like the Renaults, but the indicator noise drives me batty and the lack of chassis upgrades is disappointing as I prefer 6x4.
As far as suggestions go: I would like the ability to chose the location of the front mirror in the upgrade services. I personally prefer a more centred mirror (so I don't have to look left, quite a task when you drive with the keyboard).
I would also like to see some additional beacons/lights mods, different sizes and colours.
My biggest request would be to use cat's eyes/road reflectors so I can see where I am going at night when I can't use full beam.
I would like to see some new companies added. Specifically some out on the single lane roads away from Cities like farm land drop points.
Multidrop runs would also be a really nice addition if possible and from a modding perspective, please go back to the UKTS company trailer option so I can skin my trailers individually in a company!
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 5:57 PM
MY TRUCK IS A SCANIA R730 6X2 WITH ACESSORY MODSReplyDelete
Scania Topline . The Best !!!! In the game and my job :)ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 6:09 PM
Love the game, want shop,service in my own garages! and more styling options!! Oh and SCANIA still is the king of them all...ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM
Are these blogs from zombies or are they bots? this many people oblivious. AmazingReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM
Clocked over 100K km in my Scania R730 Topline, but now driving MAN just for some change. also roamed around in Volvo, DAF and Renaults a bit for fun.ReplyDelete
Scania! Barely tried the others, and the little I did it didn't leave me wanting more. The Scania has way better interiors for starters, I can't even make out the displays on some of the other trucks..ReplyDelete
- Vesku-KJune 13, 2013 at 6:49 PM
Scania and Volvo. Volvo would use more, but its interior is not realistic, I mean the low roof version. Inside The camera shows the high Volvo is not even real. It is a major flaw, and I hope that it will be corrected. All flattop versions must be right, so majestic, Volvo and Renault Premiun etc.. It is not right that the flattop interior is a high interior.ReplyDelete
Sorry for my bad English, cheers from Finland
Let me make a point please:ReplyDelete
- Scania R: I like it, since it's very strong, well-driving, good-looking and I like the company.
- Renault Magnum: I like it, though I cannot put my finger on why, maybe because of it's name "Magnum" [P.I.].
- MAN TGX: I like it since it's strong and I like the company because it's close to where I live.
- Volvo FH16: I like it, it's strong, it has a great styling, but I don't "love" it.
- DAF XF: I like it, though not having especially strong engines, since it may be the best-looking truck in ETS2.
- Iveco Stralis: I like it, since it's Italian, I like the old "Magirus" very much, but it's not strong enough.
- Majestic: I like it, since it's pretty strong, the company is close to my home, although it still isn't licensed.
- Renault Premium: I like this one too, since I really like it's styling, although it seems to be a bit "too small".
As you can see, I like all of the trucks quite equally, which is why I like to do quick jobs very much!
But I really love old trucks and most of all, conventional-cab-trucks:
There aren't any mods of those trucks which reach the quality of default SCS-trucks so far, this is why I'm so looking forward to properly-modded trucks (and SCS's ATS).
You did such a great job with all of those trucks, but I would love to do more B-road-driving instead of thos boring highways all the time.
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM
I drive a scania tandemReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 7:18 PM
I drive Scania, but I would love to see some older trucks available, like Scania 3 series and 4 series, old Volvo FH12, and old reliable ERF's :)ReplyDelete
eu gosto muito muito muito do volkswagen constellation deveria ter consesionarias volkswagen no jogo com os titans e os constellationReplyDelete
Please make a matching internal appearance and the appearance of the cabs of different heightsReplyDelete
Please sondage truck tendem...:)ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 8:07 PM
THE GAME IS INCOMPLETE.ReplyDelete
IT HAS NO MEANING, NO STORY, NO INTERESTING, NO MISSIONS, NO GOALS, NO RIVALS... IT HAS NOTHING. NOTHING TO KEEP YOU INTERESTING FOR LONG TIME.Replies
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 4:10 AM
We dont need another retarded rig n roll clone which failed totally, go and play that crap if u want some arcade gameplay with missions kiddoDelete
Meaning? Story? I think you're in the wrong genre, mate. This is a Sim/Sandbox. Use your imagination!Delete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 8:23 PM
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 8:34 PM
Enter the settings controlling the driver seat (close-next-top-below)
Everybody wants to regulate the seat your interest!
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 8:42 PM
Only Volvo !ReplyDelete
P.S. It would be nice to do on the road weighting checkpoints. From this, the game has become a more interesting and realistic.
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 8:45 PM
I would love for SCS to not only add some more models, but also to focus on handling, And might even add some of the trucks with a straight pipe sound option, recordet with professional gear and andjustet to the Rev ´s of the engines. Perhabs even some kind of valve to open up for the roaring pipes and closed for smooth silent sounds.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 8:55 PM
SCS have come along way but they have ALOT to work to do on this game. First why arent there more truck models? Its very few options..ReplyDelete
what about more different types of Cargo? Give us player more various things. You get fast bored driving the same stuff over and over again.
What about the roads? There is great improvement in less highways and more smaller roads..but what about dirt/gravel roads with more challenges?
I think there is alot of things that is missed in this game that should have been with the game in the first place.
What i miss is the realistic aspects of this game..why havent you taken this with the game?
What about snow? what about storms? What about crashes on the road? Emergenys? Police check points? All these things that happends in real life...Replies
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM
After playing STDS i also hoped that the spirit of challenges would have found it's way into ETS2 too, at least a little bit. But it's still up to the mod maps to implement such things as more interesting roads to Tree-ET etc, bad roads, ...Delete
I still have faith that that might change in the future ...
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 9:25 PM
Yes it is as you say. But the Modding community is stymied too. They can't do anything either, since the announcement of changing the game engine. So now the game is at a DEAD stop.Delete
Isn't this the same thing everyone says when SCS posts on their blog? I think they might just get the hint...Delete
That said, I agree there's much to be done, but these points and ideas are being reiterated ad nauseum!
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 9:55 AM
The modding community isn't dead! The old maps can still be loaded and then saved in the new file format once that patch is released.Delete
And it is a good thing to read the same wishes time and again, so SCS knows what people really want (sort of at least, cause this blog isn't representative).
MAN FOR LIFE!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 9:55 PM
Why is there no DAF CF or DAF 3600 ATI?ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 9:57 PM
Also I would never buy DLC. Just make a new full version and sell that, I would buy a new full version for sure. You're wasting time with this DLC rip off..ReplyDelete
Please DAF XF EURO6 !ReplyDelete
Please DAF XF EURO6 !
Please DAF XF EURO6 !
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 10:18 PM
the update or dlc will probably only appear in many weeks ....ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 10:35 PM
I'm sure , the dlc and patch will be the next year.i'm tired to drive in the same roads and the same trucks. The game have to improve a lot of, I hope the game could be interesting again.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 10:45 PM
DAF, просто DAF....ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 13, 2013 at 10:45 PM
I love that the truck they chose to make a new version of (iveco) is lowest on the poll..ReplyDelete
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Actually, the truck that i drive more is Volvo FH16, but i guess this can be more interesting if you SCS bring for us Volkswagen and Ford. Congratulations for spectacular game truck simulator, it´s wonderful and i hope you SCS work very hard to make this game more and more perfect! Good Job SCS team!ReplyDelete
I'm from Brazil and sorry about my english.ReplyDelete
My Best Regards.
i like to drive the scania r730 v8 because it has the most PS (730ps).. so it overtakes everything even uphill no problem.. but i also like the man tgx even as i vote for scania.ReplyDelete
why? man and scania are the same company.. thay are just brands.
vw=audi=man=scania :) i like it.
- Frederik NielsenJune 13, 2013 at 11:14 PM
I love the MAN TGX for it's sounds and big windshield. I can see everything through that baby.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 12:18 AM
We need more selection like 18 WOS Haulin. used trucks, own trailers, more selection of trucks per brand. This way could be more realistic.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 2:06 AM
Configuring the driver seat!ReplyDelete
Regulator seat!
1. Volvo FH16. Best sound (since 1.3 patch) and a decent interior.ReplyDelete
2. Scania. Please can we have proper V8 sounds for the bigher output engines?
The rest are OK. MAN and Merc needs the audio working on.
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 4:00 AM
I drive a Volvo,cause not of power (750hp)but cause i like Volvo Trucks,but i like Scania too,just don't use Scania cause the front bumper is wrong,is too high,need make that more low,and make sideskirts with and without V8 logo for 6x2/6x4 chassis,so,i think i'll change for Scania,i'm not the only one who want these changes.ReplyDelete
Cheers from Brazil
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- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 5:42 AM
Would love to see the Volvo F10 and FL Volvos from the 80's and 90's..also the TM bedfords and maybe even some old tk bedfords too....even if they were only implemented into the game as ai trucks only..it would be good to see them on the roads...ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 6:47 AM
I want the new volvo fh16 to come because the interior is gorgeus and also the new actros mp4.ReplyDelete
Despite the chassis and engine limitations I love my Renault Magnum. I just wish there were some decent upgrades...ReplyDelete
Also, I'm fairly certain I'd be choosing the Actros, if it weren't for the insult of it being an unlicenced look-a-like (that three-pointed star makes a heck of a lot of difference!!!!)
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 10:31 AM
CONGRATULATIONS SCS, with this post you have conquered more 4 weeks without releasing nothing, hahaha.
If you read every posts, people always shows what they want.
Keep it up, more 10 pts
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 11:00 AM
THE GAME IS INCOMPLETE.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM
I think it will be a good plus for the game if SCS can develop more upgrades for the truck and more tuning things. It would be just greatReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM
SCS i think its time for the new DLC we are been weating for to long now.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 12:01 PM
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- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM
OMG...Pegaso Troner and Tecno suck,they can't be compared with Scania or Volvo or the base trucks of europe so shut up with your Pegaso....Delete
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 1:12 PM
@ Anonymous June 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM:Delete
Go home and show Teletubbies.
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 2:26 PM
Fools do not listen!Delete
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 12:05 PM
This comment has been removed by the author.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 12:09 PM
Only Scania. It is in real good truck and the truck in the game is excellent.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 1:13 PM
Scania and RenaultReplyDelete
So much trolling here ! People need to keep their cool a little. And SCS needs to release a patch or a DLC or something soon...Or at least a date for a release rather than amuse the masses with mundane Blog posts that keep people hanging.
Come on !
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 1:46 PM
Kenworth, Peterbilt, Mack, Freightliner, International etcReplyDelete
AMERICAN TRUCKS PLEASE :DReplies
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 2:35 PM
It's Euro Truck Simulator,not American Truck Simulator ! OMG!!!Delete
yes man ! it is euro truck simulator!Delete
- PaulskiJune 14, 2013 at 5:41 PM
Like others said, this is Euro truck simulator.Delete
However, SCS is wo9rking on a new American truck simulator ;)
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 2:28 PM
NEW Volvo FHReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 2:33 PM
Configuring the driver seat!ReplyDelete
Regulator seat!
I want to play safe!
Please make the adjustment of seat!
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 2:34 PM
We want:ReplyDelete
-Release the new DLC,and the free patch with STRALIS HI-WAY.
-New VOLVO FH and FM.
-New MAN TGX euro6.(with orignal sound engine)
-New DAF XF.(with original sound engine)
-New Mercedes Actros MPIV.
-New Renault Trucks.
And some new cargos and trailers,and the game will be perfect ! ;)Replies
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 2:52 PM
Yes! that's what we wantDelete
I agree with you
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 3:52 PM
Yes I agree too! I'm ready to pay for those new euro 6 trucks especially Actros Mp4 and New Volvo :DDelete
Please make this Trucks for this awesome game and release that HI-WAY and the map DLC.
Thank you !
- AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 2:45 PM
STRALIS HI-WAY - There will be no demand was not in the game!ReplyDelete
We are waiting for the new Volvo!
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Musings: We Are The 99 Percent…
"Change means movement. Movement means friction. Only in the frictionless vacuum of a nonexistent abstract world can movement or change occur without that abrasive friction of conflict." Saul Alinsky
Occupy Wall Street is a people-powered movement that began on September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattan's Financial District, and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in over 1,500 cities globally. #OWS is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations. The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to expose how the richest 1% of people are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future. occupywallst.org
What do you think of the Occupy Wall St movement? Are you one of the 99%? It seems like only yesterday, when a group of about 2000 people gathered in lower Manhattan to voice their discontent about our current economic downturn, and to "protest against bank bailouts, corporate greed, and the unchecked power of Wall Street." They marched up Broadway, headed for Zuccotti Park where some 150 men and women camped out for the night… Thus began a growing global movement that has highlighted the voices and faces of many who share their personal struggles and stories in "We are the 99%"
Today marks exactly one month since the movement started and many wonder where it is headed. The group, which refers to itself as a leaderless, non-violence, resistance movement, has brought people from all walks of life together to share their stories, and has forced our leadership to pay attention. That is a good thing. So far, there has been minimal friction; thus avoiding what Alinsky above called the "abrasive friction of conflict." That too is a good thing. However, one must still ask, what's the next step? How will the group continue to function without a clear leadership?
"All things change, nothing is extinguished. There is nothing in the whole world which is permanent. Everything flows onward; all things are brought into being with a changing nature; the ages themselves glide by in constant movement." Ovid
When I first read about Occupy Wall Street in the newspapers, I immediately flashed to the groups of demonstrators in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya and parts of the Middle East who rallied in protest and demanded a greater democratic process. I wondered: How long will this group last? Will it degenerate into violence? Will their actions bring any solutions? I hoped that, at least, the real and necessary conversation about socioeconomic inequity would be addressed. I worried that while the movement had good intentions, there might be chaos seekers in their midst. (There have been some incidents abroad). As Theodore Roosevelt once said, "Every reform movement has a lunatic fringe." It doesn't seem to be the case here. To date, they have maintained a modicum of peace, and participants continue to speak out against social injustice.
"We are getting kicked out of our homes. We are forced to choose between groceries and rent. We are denied quality medical care. We are suffering from environmental pollution. We are working long hours for little pay and no rights, if we're working at all. We are getting nothing while the other 1 percent is getting everything. We are the 99 percent."We are the 99%
A compelling outcome of the movement is the growing number of people who publicly identify themselves as one of the 99% of Americans who are struggling. They are Us and we are them… In essence, most of us fit under the rubric of the under-served. We are the 99%. Putting real faces to stories of struggle is a powerful way to highlight the terrible impact our economic condition has had on many of us. According to the We are the 99% website, the 99% include people who are struggling on many different levels; jobless, uninsured, homeless, underemployed, the faces of some of the 14+ million unemployed or underemployed Americans – the new poor.
If you read the submissions on the site, you might be able to relate to or know someone who is grappling with some of the issues and struggles people have shared. I do and on a personal level too. It is deeply disturbing to live in one of the most powerful nations in the world and know that there are citizens who are homeless, have no or inadequate health care, no food, and no jobs. There is definitely something wrong with that picture… More below.
"It takes a lot of courage to release the familiar and seemingly secure, to embrace the new. But there is no real security in what is no longer meaningful. There is more security in the adventurous and exciting, for in movement there is life, and in change there is power." Alan Cohen
The Occupy Wall Street group has shown great courage and, while the future of the movement is unclear, it remains a dynamic entity with great potential. As the weather shifts and nerves get frayed, my prayer is that some tangible resolution will be negotiated so the movement members can return to their families and the Park can be reclaimed. The fact that thousands of brave souls gathered together to speak out and bring global attention and support to this cause is commendable.
At some point, negotiations must take place to determine how to move forward and this must happen before winter arrives and the cold temperatures force the crowds to dissipate. The Occupy Wall Street group has shown us how a committed group of people can make us all stop and listen. Again, where do they go from here? What's the next step? Some good must come out of it… What are your thoughts? What do you think of the Occupy Wall St movement? Are you one of the 99%? Do you think their actions will bring a solution? Do share? Thank you! 🙂
This post was partly inspired by a prompt from WP Daily Post: What's your opinion of the occupy movement & 99%? Write a post where you give your point of view. Do you think these protests are a good thing? Do you agree with their belief that there's something wrong?
Positive Motivation Tip: Even if you cannot join a movement, you can form an opinion. Speak fearlessly.
Related articles
- Occupy Wall Street roundup: Day 31 (dailykos.com)
- Occupy Wall Street | NYC Protest for American Revolution (postamericana.wordpress.com)
- Why Occupy Wall Street is a must (nrhatch.wordpress.com)
- Occupy Wall Street now one month old (politico.com)
- Peter S. Goodman: Occupy Wall Street Is A Renaissance, Not A Revolution (huffingtonpost.com)
- What is your opinion of occupy Wall Street and the 99 percenters (laurieanichols.wordpress.com)
- Letters: Sunday Dialogue: The Wall Street Protest (nytimes.com)
PHOTO CREDITS/ATTRIBUTIONS: All Photos Zuccotti Park Plaza, Protesters on 1800s, via Wikipedia. Protester with sign, OWS protesters general assembly, Zuccotti Park campers Protesters Listening, by Caroline Schiff Photography, on Flickr
Until Next Time…
Ask. Believe. Receive. ©
Elizabeth Obih-Frank
Mirth and Motivation
Positive Kismet
17/10/2011 9:52 pm
Interesting post. It reminds me of some of the disillusionment in the 1970's and the war in Vietnam. I think it is a positive thing that people are motivated to see change.
17/10/2011 10:07 pm
This is a great Post and it was well thought out. Thanks! Some good must come out of it and I will take that part of it.
19/10/2011 2:26 pm
I pray that good comes out it too and that it ends on a peaceful note. I know that today, some OWS protestors were sitting in the rain and saying "we are here for the long haul…" I don't know. What happens when people start to get sick and the temps drop…. I pray for good to come. TY! 🙂
17/10/2011 10:38 pm
"It takes a lot of courage
to release the familiar and seemingly secure,
to embrace the new…"
18/10/2011 12:52 am
As an Australian it's difficult to comprehend the American economy and I know from conversations with my American friends that it's difficult for them to feel comfortable with the socialist philosophy at the backbone of ours.
Our education is paid for right up until university where interest free loans are given which only need to be paid back once a person is on a good wage. Our health care is free and while waiting lists can be long, no one dies because insurance didn't cover their costs. The arts are supported by loads of government initiatives. One of our most popular radio stations is an ad-free, national station that exposes lots of our own artists and is known for it's challenging of the very government that funds it. Unemployment, aged and disability benefits are available to everyone who needs them and there are few homeless people.
What's the cost of this? High taxes, that as a decent wage earner, I pay.
Do I care? Nope.
Because what joy could exist in being the 1% when my fellow Austrailians go hungry? We are the 100%, we take of our own.
Take a voice America, let it be heard. Never allow injustice to be silent. But consider that at the end of the day the 99% will need to change their mindset as much as the 1%, because Capatilism, like Communism only works in a world without greed and corruption.
19/10/2011 2:33 pm
TY Jezzmindah for your passionate and informative response. My friends in Sweden and other countries where high income taxes = full services for all will agree with you. I don't have a problem with extra taxes if they are equitable and provide for all in the way you mention.
Unfortunately, greed and corruption cannot be legislated and so it will be something to regularly check for. My heart still breaks for us all. We have a long way to go here… TY! 🙂
18/10/2011 3:56 am
Thank you for your well-written post. You expressed wonderfully what I would have said. Here in Chicago, 150 occupy protesters were carted off to jail for camping in Grant Park overnight. I pray for a peaceful resolution that involves change and improved circumstances for us who are the 99%.
18/10/2011 7:11 am
Excellent post, E!
My thoughts: http://nrhatch.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/why-occupy-wall-street-is-a-must/
18/10/2011 8:25 am
Yes this is a great post. we have these protesters in London. They get a bit of news coverage but ,as yet, it doesn't look like the start of a mass movement or anything resembling the protests against the Vietnam or Irag wars. still, you never know
Bree permalink18/10/2011 8:27 am
Thank you for writing a balanced post that looks at the efforts of the group.
Some people say nothing because they hope they will go away or because they see it as not affecting their lives. However, ultimately we will all be affected if the downward trend continues.
It is a shame that people see this as politics. It is about people first; about us.
18/10/2011 9:59 am
I am definitely one of the 99%. I applaud this movement and truly hope it keeps growing and becomes a bit louder. We have become so ridiculously out of sync it's frightening. I am very curious to see how this plays out over the coming political year. It's already ugly but we know who 'gets it' and who doesn't.
Great post!
19/10/2011 2:44 pm
You want it louder Barb!? Someone could lose their life if things erupt into violence… I want them to continue in the vein of non-violence and that solutions be found… We will all see it play itself out and that is a testament to the power of collective action. We are the 99% and I'm grateful that a glaring light is being shone on the subject. TY! 🙂
18/10/2011 10:47 am
I love your concluding tip. Yes!
18/10/2011 10:49 am
What is the outcome..is the question I ask..the groups have garnered attention but I wonder what impact they desire? Peaceful demonstration can bring about change..I am just not sure how. It will be interesting to see.
18/10/2011 6:55 pm
A very nice blog! I love the quotes, very good photos (the diversity of demonstrators listening struck me – old and young etc). I see on various blogs etc comments from people from other countries talking about the U.S. as if they are some peculiar species of government/people with their own weird problems, and Oh well, we're all right over here in… Wherever. I think we can all find something to relate to, here. No room for complacency.
To the commentator above: I've been to Australia, I have family there and I think it's a lovely country. But, are aborigines included in the 100 per cent? What about immigrants (oh no, they get put in camps, or the government tried to ship them off to Malaysia the other day I believe). Nice "socialist philosophy" as is claimed above!
Nowhere is perfect, is what I am saying. And we are all human beings. There is a lot we can learn from each other.
19/10/2011 2:52 pm
Yes , the great thing that is coming of this is that people around the world are adding their voices to the struggle. Yes, you are quite right, there are problems everywhere, but the fact that people are rallying around the cause is a great thing. That said, equitable distribution remains our global society's biggest obstacle… read reluctance of the haves to share… everywhere! Nowhere is perfect… There is a lot we can learn from each other. I hear you. TY! 🙂
18/10/2011 9:34 pm
I am part of the 99% in spirit. I would have loved to been there in NYC when it started. You took some great photos Eliz.
19/10/2011 2:56 pm
TY Miriam, the photos are credited above as they belong to Caroline Schiff Photography, on Flickr and are not mine. I am impressed by the collective community spirit thriving down at the park… I pray all remember the camaraderie in the aftermath. TY! 🙂
Rose Casanova permalink19/10/2011 5:07 am
I think the 99% lacks a spokesperson. I think that job needs to be filled. Any takers?
19/10/2011 2:59 pm
Would you like to volunteer? Interestingly, in other movements I studied in history, either a natural leader emerged or one was designated pretty early in the game. They have been adamant about keeping it leaderless; it is deliberate… However, over time it will be necessary to have a leader or 2-3 as things become unwieldy. TY! 🙂
19/10/2011 3:07 pm
Impermanence is one of the essential doctrines in Buddhism. The term expresses the Buddhist notion that all of conditioned existence, without exception, is in a constant state of flux.
With awareness, belief and action toward something bigger, impermanence can be accelerated into change…. that's the crossroads as a country we face now. Are we willing to accept the friction and discomfort of real change?
21/10/2011 1:13 pm
You ask a great question and it is one I ask too. With change comes what Alinsky above calls the "abrasive friction of conflict." We are, like many nations in the world, at a crossroads. I don't want to see anyone martyred for the cause. I pray for peaceful resolution, job creation, and equity… TY! 😉
19/10/2011 8:07 pm
I am so happy to see folks out in the streets protesting the massive shift in our democracy. We must make our "little" voices known to the powers that be, most notably a do nothing, party of no congress. Does anyone out here listen to some of the heartless views and actions of some politICians on CSPAN? Finally, we are coming together as Americans to protest the out of control power wielded by corporations and extreme capitalists.
I know my next comment may frighten some of you, but don't be intimidated by my reading suggestion. Reread or read for the first time The Communist Manifesto. I think you will be amazed at the foresight of Marx and Engels, the coauthors who wrote The Manifesto in the beginning stages of European industrialism. Challenge your outlook and dare to compare their predictions to our times right now
21/10/2011 1:19 pm
TY Dot, I agree that it is a good thing that the 99% people are finally speaking up. That is the nature of life in a democracy… We need to see the faces and hear the voices of the people…. and for the most part, it has been peaceful.
Yes, I can imagine the vitriol in certain circles; it is sad how people lose compassion when it is not happening in their backyard…
As for Marx and Engels, you didn't frighten anyone, many of us read the text in college or elsewhere…. TY for your comment! 🙂
20/10/2011 4:26 am
I like the concept of the people speaking up. As I am not American or in America, I am not going to comment on the conditions that led to this, but I am glad to see to the people standing up for themselves.
20/10/2011 10:34 am
As everyone is entitled to their opinion I'm nervous I might get some backlash on this comment. I am completley against this movement. I defintaley fall into the catagories of the 99 percent and I'm all for freedom of speech but I feel like this movement is only helping to hold back the economy. New York alone had to spend 2 million dollars in tax payers dollars just to pay their police overtime to keep the crowds safe and under control. Honestly, I also don't undestand what they are looking to get out of this. Instead of looking for jobs and being active in the economy these people are occupying areas all over the U.S expecting things to magically get fixed.I pass "Occupy Seattle" everyday on my way to work – most of the people protesting kids my age (I'm 21) who look like they're joining that cause just "cuz"
I don't mean to offend anyone – just my opinion.
21/10/2011 12:47 pm
Hi Linda,
I hear you and understand how you feel… however, the protestors are not holding back the economy. With over 14 million people unemployed today, it is matter of supply and demand economics not what a group of protestors are doing. You say you fall into the 99% category, I take it as an underemployed person?, yet you are against them speaking up about the inequalities? What the OWS protestors are doing is to bring global attention to the economic challenges that exist in society and to initiate a dialogue about these issues. They have been extremely successful highlighting the issues and getting people everywhere, globally too, to think and talk about them; that is one thing they are getting out of it. Then, they want the issues addressed by our Government. As per the people protesting in Seattle, I would hesitate to question their motivations. It might not hurt to ask first. Another suggestion I would make is to invite you to read the submissions on the We are the 99% website. If you were unemployed, and had been looking for a job for over a year or longer, would you think differently about the movement? I hope that, one day, you will rethink your position… Thank you for your comment! No offense taken. 😉
Check out the comments on that Daily News post about the cost…
26/10/2011 2:14 pm
I passed by before I left. Watching it with interest to see where it goes, what concrete demands they are making/will make/have on the elections next year, whether they will be hijacked by the lunatic fringe.
Got this yesterday. Like most things that get passed around, no author is identified but it made me think.
After The 8 Years Of The Bush/Cheney Disaster, Now You Get Mad?
You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.
You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate Energy policy and push us to invade Iraq.
You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.
You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.
You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.
You didn't get mad when we spent over 800 billion (and counting) on said illegal war.
You didn't get mad when Bush borrowed more money from foreign sources than the previous 42 Presidents combined.
You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars in cash just disappeared in Iraq.
You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.
You didn't get mad when Bush embraced trade and outsourcing policies that shipped 6 million American jobs out of the country.
You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.
You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.
You didn't get mad when Bush rang up 10 trillion dollars in combined budget and current account deficits.
You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.
You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown.
You didn't get mad when we gave people who had more money than they could spend, the filthy rich, over a trillion dollars in tax breaks.
You didn't get mad with the worst 8 years of job creations in several decades.
You didn't get mad when over 200,000 US Citizens lost their lives because they had no health insurance.
You didn't get mad when lack of oversight and regulations from the Bush Administration caused US Citizens to lose 12 trillion dollars in investments, retirement, and home values.
You finally got mad when a black man was elected President and decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, job losses by the millions, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, and the worst economic disaster since 1929 are all okay with you, but helping fellow Americans who are sick…Oh, Hell No!!
26/10/2011 3:55 pm
Well, that's quite a list and it REALLY makes you wonder! It's not at all logical… At one level I just don't get the protest movement. I am going to tweet and share this! Great stuff.
31/10/2011 9:15 am
Excellent post, Elizabeth. I am behind in my blog-reading, as usual, so I'm just now getting to this. Glad I read it, and the comments, too. Very insightful.
17/11/2011 12:44 pm
Hey, I am also writing a blog on the 99% movement, Do you mind if I use two of your photos?
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