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Given the strong feelings generated by my earlier post the above question seems a good candidate for Monday's ConservativeHome poll. Grateful for advice on wording in the thread below and for suggestions of other questions...
Tim Montgomerie
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I'm glad Ronaldo was free to ply his trade over here. I hope you enjoyed your evening!
I'd like a question on whether Conservative members support a third runway at Heathrow?
Seconded. No.
I am not convinced this free Labour movement across the EU is such a good thing. People have mentioned the British workers in other countries, but they could work in Europe with a work permit. I think also there is a difference between individuals getting jobs overseas, and foreign workers being imported in bulk. It may be legal, but when people are losing jobs left, right and centre, you can see why it might seem to British workers that it is taking the piss. There are jobs right there where they live, and they are all going to foreign workers, not just migrant workers, but imported workers. Were it not for EU laws, it wouldn't happen. And it is those same laws that cause us to have open borders, poor security, housing problems, travel problems, failing services, and much more. Migration can bring more money, but when it is spread across all the people here, it amounts to no improvement in quality of life, and crumbling services. In this specific case, services may not be affected, but the money will be going to help the Italian economy, not ours, and it is our economy that needs the most help. I am also quite convinced that if it were the other way around, there would either be riots, or the European country would insist on the British company using local workers. For some reason the UK follows these European rules, whereas other EU countries rarely pull their weight.
With regards ConHome polls, for my own personal curiosity I would like to know the average ages of users, or at least the numbers of CF on here. I want to know the percentage of those that support Israel VS those that dont (with some more details as to the extent, eg is it full support or does it depend on circumstances?). What percentage suports abortion? Percentage of theists and atheists? Also, how many would agree that over population is a major cause of a vast many of our problems, how many think our government needs to do something to cap or reduce the population size here and on a global scale, and how many think a Tory government would be able to take that action politically?
Please ask questions about whether Tory members support the auto industry bailout.
I'm completely in favour of the free movement of labour. I don't see what business governments have in telling people where they can and can't work. The free movement of goods, services, and labour is one of the few positive benefits of the European Union.
Free movement of workers: yes
Free movement of scroungers: no
If it's wording your after I would propose that the fundamental issue on the free movement of labour is under who's laws the free labour should fall under that of the host country or the mother country.
I don't know if it's ukipesque scaremongering but I was under the impression that there are currently proposals to allow wagon drivers from Poland to only have to conform to Polish Wagon Driver standards on sleep etc.
Andy D @ 21.39 - 'Free movement of scroungers: no.' How would you propose that scroungers could be recognised?
My answer to the question is - No.
Yes. You don't own me.
Yes, yes and triple yes.
Signing us up to the single market was one of the few good things Thaggie did.
It's laughable that it is now the Tory grass-roots who seem to be the most protectionist when it was their beloved ex-leader who pushed this entire process forward (which also inevitably led to the single currency as well)!
Let's draw a distinction between:
The free movement of individuals - yes within reason, thought the East European influx was too much in one go for many communities to absorb.
The right of companies to ship in whole blocks of workers (almost as bonded labour) to the exclusion of local, fully skilled workers -no!
Workers should be able to come here and then compete with British workers in our local labour markets on a fair basis . But foreign workers shouldn't be entitled to by-pass fair competition by being shipped in.
Next question?
"Yes. You don't own me."
It isn't the country you are leaving that would prevent you though, it is the country you are going to. And they may not own you, but they own their country. Just as this one belongs to us. It isn't a question of people ownership. If it were a question of all people being free to work where they want because they are "free", then why stop at Europe? Using that logic, we should allow all Nigerians to come work in the UK too. Would you agree to that?
I support free movement of labour allowing people to apply for work and relocate to undertake it.
I do not support the mass importation of labour by companies from overseas in the manner we have seen in Lincolnshire.
Yes. Evidently for workers.
Yes - I think we have to.
Free movement.
This country has had free trade since 1979 when exchange controls were abolished. It's others in Europe and elsewhere who don't free their trade barriers up.
Free movement of people is a difficult one I agree, particularly in harsh times, and I wouldn't extend it beyond the EU. However, the long term solution has to be to slash taxes and regulations so more businesses can be set up in the older industrial areas. Sadly, the growth in recent years hasn't been done in the right way - too many areas are dependant on large public sector employers. We need to set up more businesses next time the economy recovers so people are not in this plight.
Most EU regulations I would probably strongly oppose and want to stay out of, but free movement of people is something of value.
Is it not inconsistent for Tories to support freedom of good and services across borders but not freedom of Labour?
Your problem here is that the old worry about Tories is that many of the "Nos" above are because you just don't like foreigners...
I agree with the free movement of individuals, however individuals should have to apply for permits so that it is possible to know how many people are coming in, so that services are not stretched by an unknown mass population shift.
As for the shipping in of employees by companies this should be stopped, while I do not believe it is the governments place to dictate who companies may or may not hire, all potential employees should be able to compete for jobs.
This Labour government is also culpable for this new trade union unrest, by not reforming the welfare state so that getting back to work is actually beneficial. And also by presiding over a dumbing down of the education system, where an illiterate young man can gain seven GCSE qualifications.
No. There isn't a level playing field.
English is the obvious and first choice foreign language for pretty much the whole of Europe. It is the passport to a job in the UK and in all the other English-speaking countries around the world. European children start learning it at school from a very early age and their standard of teaching is far higher than languge tuition in this country.
There is no obvious 'first-choice' foreign language for our youngsters and learning a language is seen as a tedious chore: not the path to business opportunities worldwide. This Labour Govt, in order to boost the number of dumned-down GCSEs our comprehensively-educated children sit, decided that it should no longer be compulsory for a young person to learn a foreign language to age 16. So much better for them to take a GCSE in Childcare or Media, than something that requires real study. So the chances of our youngsters ever competing for European jobs on an equal basis is getting worse, not better.
The upshot of this is that whilst most of Europe can speak English and could therefore aspire to come and work here, we cannot do the same in their countries. It's all very well saying learn the language - but if you are an adult with only a smattering of French or German it would be impossible to get any kind of job.
Just want to justify this;
Firstly, it's a majority response that flexible labour markets are a good thing, evidently we have always supported this notion.
We should support a flexible labour market within Europe also.
Secondly I've very uncomfortable with "British jobs for British workers". It smells for xenophobia. Sure I agree with homegrown industry, but this is tapping into an us vs them scenario.
Thje logical answer is to support free markets in people and goods but the old accepted mantra of free trade = good, maybe dead. We need to face up to the fact that the conservatives must speak up for British people first and sod the rest.
It depends what is meant by "free". Or, since I spend about a week a month working in Italy, on how hypocritical I'm prepared to be. Quite a lot, it seems, because my answer is a qualified "no". Or a qualified "yes". Every employer should be allowed to select who they want. But an entire community should not be expected simply to absorb the side effects.
There's something interesting to be written about the emotional hold that organized labour has on us. The company I work for- Global Mega Corp- employs about 100,000 people. In the last year it has shed thousands of jobs from its US and EU R&D organisation, and moved resource to China, with zero comment in the media. It also closed a small production factory in Kent with the loss of about 500 jobs, which made the national news headlines. Similarly with the Lincolnshire men- I feel sympathy for them- is this one of those ineffable matters that defies cognitive enquiry and makes you a Tory- but there wasn't a fuss when thousands of Polish people took up jobs in London's bars and cafes. And I don't want the Poles to go home, they make London better and I hope they stay.
Sorry. That's a lot of words for "probably yes but maybe sometimes no".
I think it ought to say "across the EU" rather than across Europe. One could add questions about free labour movement in general, commonwealth free labour movement, and companies shipping in foreign labour.
Additionally, I think it would be worth asking a separate question on this Lincolnshire issue, and whether the government should intervene in favour of British workers. The Conservative Party is not habitually doctrinaire. Some may feel (for example) that the generally good principle of free labour movement should have certain restrictions imposed on it, on the grounds that ends do not always justify means, and we must not simply ignore the problems of British workers who are able and willing to work. Other variants on the theme may be imagined.
Apart from that, I suppose there has to be at least one question on Heathrow - I can think of at least two - a) should there have been a vote on the issue? b) should the government support the third runway?
Labour mobility is an essential component of a single currency, to allow different parts of an economy under teh same monetary policy to run smoothly.
Since we do not currently use the Euro in Britain, it is unclear to me why benefit from taking on the labour mobility that is useful to that currency and its members.
Yes. Answering "no" is supporting protectionism, which should go against key Tory ideals.
Of course not! Look at the mess were in now!
If workers weren't allowed to come here from Europe businesses here would HAVE to employ & train our own work force to do the jobs, the way I see it is, if labour can be shipped in because of free movement there is no incentive to train, with all the time & costs involved, our own people.
If those companies aren't prepared to train us because it isn't cost effective & also having to pay us a wage we can live on in Britain will raise their costs of production to a level that makes them threaten to leave our island, then I believe we should let them leave! If they don't want to help us then any company that thinks that way deserves what they should get!!
I believe in free trade but we should trade with the goods our own workforce has made, isn't that just how it should be?
If someone wants to work abroad & the country they want to go to needs them & wants them then let them go & support that country! We don't own people do we, anyone is free to emigrate are they not?
No one knows how our new capitalist system will evolve, going back to basics & trading with the rest of the world as we mean to go on surely has to be the sensible & best thing to do?
I believe that the greedy, money hungry companies that only think of their profits & not the people is the OLD capitalist way, I believe the new will be putting people before profit even if that means we have to take a back seat in the world going forward.
Let China & India have a go at being top dog, were be back when were ready!
The question in the current oil industry dispute is a trade one. In effect the Italians are supplying the British market from Italy as although the Italaian workers are physically present in the Uk they will not be here after the contract ends and they are in specially provided housing on barges.The question then is as stated by John Stuart Mill-we know there are benefits from trade-the problem is working out which side benefits and Mill shows how this depends on supply and demand and also how these can be rigged.
It really is not as simple as free trade enthusiasts think.
As regards free movement of labour in the sense of immigration that is a loser for the receiving country unless as put by the US National Academy of Sciences-as a minimum-the incoming labour has at least the same average skills and brings the same share of capital as enjoyed by the natives and does not have skewed cultural or fiscal costs. In current British conditions this means that to benefit existing UK residents the incoming family would need to be earning about £70,000 p.a.(family of 4)
The question in the current oil industry dispute is a trade one. In effect the Italians are supplying the British market from Italy as although the Italian workers are physically present in the Uk they will not be here after the contract ends and they are in specially provided housing on barges.The question then is as stated by John Stuart Mill-we know there are benefits from trade-the problem is working out which side benefits and Mill shows how this depends on supply and demand and also how these can be rigged.
It really is not as simple as free trade enthusiasts think.
As regards free movement of labour in the sense of immigration that is a loser for the receiving country unless as put by the US National Academy of Sciences-as a minimum-the incoming labour has at least the same average skills and brings the same share of capital as enjoyed by the natives and does not have skewed cultural or fiscal costs. In current British conditions this means that to benefit existing UK residents the incoming family would need to be earning about £70,000 p.a.(family of 4)
I think perhaps one needs to qualify the statement - no I don't support free movement of labour across Europe. I do NOT think large groups of workers being moved across the EU, to work in one or maybe two companies, particularly at the expense of the local workers. And as some comments have suggested, if a large group of English workers went to a French or Italian company, at the expense of French or Italian workers, all hell would break loose!
However, I am not against individual workers coming here from the EU and working for different businesses. Of course not!!
As for Jim Dodd @ 22.22 'Your problem here is that the old worry about Tories is that many of the 'nos' above are because you just don't like foreigners.' Is a case of Labour getting its knickers in a twist!
Only the extremely simple minded can think there is free movement of goods and services throughout the EU.
What is allowed to come into the EU is defined by the EU and the trade within the EU is defined by rules set by the EU.There is a Common Agricultural policy a Common Fisheries Policy and effectively a Common Industrial Policy. These are highly restrictionist.In no sense do they mean free movement.
Incidentally Free Trade Agreements are a contradiction in terms.
For those who say yes I would ask:
Do you support free movement of labour into across the entire planet?
If you reply that you do then this spells the end of the meaning of nationality and the thus the end of the nation state.
"With what would you replace the nation state to provide welfare, security, a criminal justice system and a sense of identity?
"Are you prepared for the civil strife, disorder and revolution that will follow when our people are told their inheritance, including their very nationality, has been sold to bring on this new world order?
Only the simple minded could think there is free movement of goods and services in the EU. There is free movement provided it conforms to the norms of the Common Agricultural Policy Common commercial policy etc etc. This is by no stretch of the imagination free movement-it is regulated movement.
Incidentally the Free Trade Agreements often called for are ,if you think about, it a contradiction in terms
Free movement of Labour across the world is a good thing.
What is a bad thing is free access to welfare based on residence, legal or otherwise.
Can we focus on root causes, please. Not symptoms!
Northern Monkey keeps abandoning his Labour Home – I wonder why?
And no wonder Northern Monkey is LOL on this thread because he's seeing the Left's aim of creating Global Marxism taking yet another step further.
Individual free movement yes, in that as an individual you compete in the labour market of your host country. That means you have learnt the language, pay tax there, and to some extent fit in and know that what you do means something both to you and your host community. And when and if you leave , both parties have prospered.
Shunting in draft workers who may not speak the language and have no committment to the community they leave the results of their work in, NO.
What is the cheapest way of doing things will prevail over what is the best compromise that suits all stakeholders, Company, Workers, Govt and Local Community.
If you want to leave behind pollution because you don't care because none of you belong there and you won't be there to live with the results, this is the way to go.
Is the asker of this question a Conservative or a Libertarian idiot?
Why stop at Europe? But then you enter the realms of one world government which is likely to be socialist so the answer has to be no. The question is also misleading, There is no 'Free' movement of Labour when there is such an inequality of living standards. Just ask the workers who are losing their jobs and being undercut and the taxpayers who must support the 'New workers' when the jobs run out.
On the condition foreigners come here to work [as opposed to arrive here looking for work], and they are denied instant entitlement to 'state benefits' that the UK taxpayer has paid for – yes. Otherwise – as a number of posters have commented – this country is a magnet for the impoverished of the world. Moreover, why don't the 'climate change/global warming' brigade comment on the ecological damage created by even more people coming to live on this tiny, overcrowded island?
Tim, I am a strong Tory always have been and always will be BUT I completely disagree with your post. We should support the strikers on this issue. I cannot ever envisage a situation were British workers will be taking the jobs of foreigners in their own country. The EU has been a disaster for British workers. We just cannot carry on as a country, economically, when the whole of Europe is in theory entitled to come and work here. Along with generous working benefits we are in a nightmare. We have between 5-7 million British people currently out of work and claiming benefit yet the number of foreigners in work is growing, how can this be justified? It is no longer the case that there are jobs out there that Brits won't do. I have been unemployed for more than a year I desperately want to become a nurse and have the right qualifications for a diploma course at university but being a mature student I have to show experience of working in healthcare. I have applied for many many low paid healthcare assistant jobs in hospitals care homes etc but have not got the jobs. When I go for interviews the places are full of foreigners doing the non skilled jobs I want to do. I would never vote for a far right party but the Tories ahve to get a grip on this issue and fast. No other country would put upi with the situation we have got at the moment. The likes of the oil strikers are the very people the Tories need to vote for them and the people who would've voted for Thatcher.
As I have posted in other threads, yes.
No self respecting free market advocate would ever dream of supporting laws that interrupt the free movement of goods and services across international boarders. But when it comes to laws that hamper the free movement of workers who produce those goods and services too many conservatives today abandon their free market principles.
UK Government exists to look after UK interests, the definition of which has many interpretations. However, one national interest is to provide conditions favourable to optimise employment for UK nationals. It is obvious that this must include making provision for proper education/training for the workforce to enable it to fill vacancies.
Inevitably there is therefore a conflict with eu single market directives.
UK government needs to decide whether or not its prime objective is to look after is to look after its electorate (UK) or other extraneous matters.
So a long winded way, Tim, of sayind NO.
"British workers will be taking the jobs of foreigners in their own country".
Open your eyes.
If you go to Spain and Portugal, you see tons of British teams of construction workers imported to work on projects run by Brits (or you did before the Spanish housing crash), and no one batted an eyelid. There are today still many 1000s of Britain's benefiting from jobs across Europe – particularly in the engineering sector.
No, I never understood what was wrong with a system of work permits.
"Open your eyes.
If you go to Spain and Portugal, you see tons of British teams of construction workers imported to work on projects run by Brits (or you did before the Spanish housing crash), and no one batted an eyelid. There are today still many 1000s of Britain's benefiting from jobs across Europe – particularly in the engineering sector."
But that really ought to be a matter for spain (or any other country for tht matter).
Carol Ann said:
I cannot ever envisage a situation were British workers will be taking the jobs of foreigners in their own country.
Open your eyes Carol.
If you go to Spain and Portugal, you see tons of British teams of construction workers imported to work on projects run by Brits (or you did before the Spanish housing crash), and no one batted an eyelid. There are today still many 1000s of Britain's benefiting from jobs across Europe – particularly in the engineering sector.
Carol Said:
"We have between 5-7 million British people currently out of work and claiming benefit yet the number of foreigners in work is growing"
Got any stats to prove that Carol? The number of foreign workers returning home is increasing.
The suggestion of another question – That it's time to tell this current government to concentrate on running the country – and stop trying to interfere in people's private lives [wasting ever more taxpayers' money, and poking their collective noses where it's unwanted].
Why does this government of all the Comrades act like collective oily rags giving the engineer instructions. [Ignoring that it's the taxpayer who pays their wages, and theoretically is their 'master'!] Indeed, we must be the most infantalised electorate in the so-called free world. Now I read that their latest bullying, and intrusive initiative is about to be inflicted on the electorate from an 'exclusive' story in 25 January's News of the World headed "FRYING SQUAD": "Councils across the country will be recruiting Food Police to knock on doors at dinner time and LECTURE families on their diets and about reducing waste. A Department of Health source said: "This scheme is designed to get people thinking about how to eat better. By hitting people at home, rather than in supermarkets, we can get inside their lives."
Again – why does this government of all the Comrades think we want their local authority lackies to get inside our lives! Frankly, it's about time we made them aware – and force them to stop this 'unacceptable' [to use one of their favourite words] intrusion!
And this was picked up by the Daily Mail's Richard Littlejohn on 27 January – link:
Global free movement of labour: yes (provided that education, healthcare, housing etc is purchased in the marketplace).
Never. Opposing free movement of labour within the EU is not 'protectionist'. If it is then opposition to an open door to Congolese, Bolivian and Indonesian workers is also 'protectionist'.
If you favour 'free movement of labour' only within the EU then you too are a 'protectionist' in global terms.
The right of workers to move within the EU only worked as a policy (note: NOT a principle) for as long as it was (a) not exercised enough to cause social disruption and (b) took place in times of plentiful employment.
Wake up fellow Tories - if the major parties unite in yuppie disdain for the legitimate fears of working people and their families then there will be only one beneficiary - the BNP.
Like all EU rules, on the UK plays by them - there single market is a farce and we don't need to be in it to trade with other Nations. The EU (or EEC or EC) has and always will be about creating a European Superstate. The UK has always stood in the way of this idea (The Spanish Amarda, Napolean, The Kaiser, Hitler and the USSR) therefore we must be destroyed by those seeking to create the EUSSR (it's a there bar the shouting and Lisbon will complete the jigsaw) -this time not by war but by mass immigation, multiculuralism and political correctness which aims to supress our collective will and cohesion and allow our nation to be subsumed into the collective. Whether this dispute will be the begining of seeing this plan thwarted again only time will tell, but you can be sure it will lead to violence with the PC Police taking a tough stance in contrast to other groups that have recently demonstrated..........
"Your problem here is that the old worry about Tories is that many of the "Nos" above are because you just don't like foreigners..."
Well I will admit I did indeed say no, and I will stick with it. I don't agree with the "free" and "unrestricted" movement of labour across Europe. It has nothing to do with disliking foreigners, although I do dislike the way our towns have filled up with people who don't bother to fit in with British life. It has even more to do with the economic facts of life in 2009, we simply do not have enough work for those already here. For every EEC worker who takes a job here, there is one less Job for a Brit.
For every extra mouth there is a cost to our welfare state, and on and on. The Fact is Britain has been FULL for decades and we should recognize that fact and act accordingly. So yes I am against importing cheap second rate labour from outside of our natural borders.
"If you favour 'free movement of labour' only within the EU then you too are a 'protectionist' in global terms."
A Killer point !
Dear Mrs Bishop,
I do admire your enthusiasm and your volubility! Don't let those Boys get you down.
Best wishes from another Feisty and Voluble Lady!
As far as Brussels is concerned, "British workers" don`t exist, we are all Europeans. Neither does Great Britain- it is just regions of a country called Europe.
As long as we remain in the EU we have no control over who comes here or works here, so all the arguing is just a waste of time.
80% of our laws come from Brussels; it won`t be long before it`s 100%: you can be sure they`re working on it. We can then pension off our MPs and turn the House of Commons into flats or a tourist attraction.
Answer to the question No, for the free movement of people ends up disenfranchising the electorate here from pursuing policies that are their interest.
William Hague has stated on the Marr program that there can't be a restriction on European immigrant labour because of the obligations and commitments we have with the EU. So the British political establishment place their obligations with the EU at a higher order than their obligations to the British people. They just don't get it , this crisis is going to very rapidly become a crisis of the British political establishment who are in danger of being found out , found out that they are the problem not the solution.
This 'Italian Job' highlights the significance of where we are now.
It opens up the political question as to WTF are British people supposed to get jobs in Britain when immigration is welcomed by their government, laws are there to protect them rather than us, we don't have the right to be interviewed for these jobs, we have to traipse off around Europe with £60 a week Job Seekers Allowance like beggars to find work, whilst Italians and other Europeans are sat in our country which suddenly belongs to everyone but us, working here in Britain on jobs we British didn't know existed, were not told about or even considered or able to apply........???
Sensible I guess if you happen to be roaming the streets of Italy looking for work instead of knocking two doors up at a British oil refinery door asking where the personnel manager is to be considered for one of the jobs he didn't tell you about and had no intention of inviting you along for an interview!!!
I ask what the social implications are here for British people in respect to family break-up, lower education, poverty, higher crime, more prisons, more benefits for those out of work, higher demands on our services, our environment and infrastructure, transport, roads, schools, hospitals, doctors surgeries, etc etc etc, not least a bigger queue at the dole office or at the recruitment agency when it comes to British people finding work.
How is the family affected by dad roaming around Europe looking for work and where is the electorates decision in all this? - Do we people not count?
I can feel myself wondering who exactly amongst the trough eaters in parliament are actually looking after British interests. I can feel myself wondering if this is not all a box of soft soap we're being given in yet another ploy to win over the British public who are damned sick of being spun to by ideologues who haven't an ounce of interest in their interests.
Does anyone actually care?
This is an issue where Montgomery-style pathetic naivety and unblinking fanaticism combine to separate out the realists from the utter fools.
Yes, I believe in free trade and free movement of labour just as I also believe we should all love one another and think nice thoughts.
Back in the real world, any nation which wants to continue being so has to defend its interests and that includes above all the interests of its people including their employment. This doesn't mean publicly declaring any great principles, it just means doing the daily business of making sure your own lot are OK. That includes the jobs of construction workers in Hull who are easily able to do the work involved.
You know, it means doing what just about all governments throughout the world do all the time. Pragmatic, obvious things that escape the attention of the disdainful political class(unless its their own jobs).
Issues such as this are of huge importance.
It seems the London political class, many of them a certain type of Tory, are assuming that the electorate haven't noticed their jobs have been taken over wholesale by foreigners. The English are happy to deal with rest of the world on equal terms with a bit of give and take with. However, the colossal give away of national wealth and prospects which dangerously simplistic idiots countenance is not acceptable.
With the Conservatives having worked hard to 10% or more ahead in the polls you would imagine they would be motivated to safeguard that lead. Seems not. The lead could disappear quick as a falsh if the electorate
( you know , those people who a certain type of tory regard as canaille and are happy to see everlastingly cast on the dole queue)
cotton on to the fact that an incoming Tory governemnt would be just as bad or even doctrinally worse in defending their interests as Labour are.
In a word, NO!
Yes. Answering "no" is supporting protectionism, which should go against key Tory ideals.
No it isn't. Protectionism is about erecting trade barriers. There is no reason to offer our jobs to every person in Europe. There is nothing wrong with work-permits as they can be relaxed when there are surplus job's and tightened when there are next to none, as now..
No. Managed system of work permits but that's it.
Of course. There'll be a lot of displaced Brits coming home otherwise!
Free movement for Poles to Britain, but not the other way round it seems.
Poland is one of the few places in Europe where the economy is doing well and more jobs are being created. At the same time, Britain's economy is shrinking. So me and some of my folks who have been made redundant at our auto factory were thinking of immigrating to Poland in search of work.
For this we sought advice from a well-known Polish working colleague about how to apply for a job there. I was told that the healthcare system in Poland only covers polish citizens and foreigners are required to have private health insurance. Smart eh? It seems as if some EU member states are finding clever ways of deterring foreign migrants from coming to work in their countries.
In my opinion, I am against the EU because it is simply undemocratic. Nobody gets the right to vote out the politicians in Brussels if they don't like them. Free movement of labour? No. However, that's not to say that we shouldn't employ foreigners at all. We should rather have a permit system for a limited number of guest workers to do jobs where there is a genuine shortage of British people to do them.
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Taxpayers hoping to preserve and maximize their ability to deduct 2018 state and local property taxes from their income taxes by prepaying those taxes in 2017 before new limitations on the deductibility of state and local property taxes enacted as part of the Job Creation and Tax Reform Act (TRA2017) should verify that the taxes to be prepaid in 2017 should verify that any 2018 tax amounts they plan to prepay actually are both assessed and paid during 2017in light of new Internal Revenue Service (IRS) guidance published on December 27, 2017.
Published on December 27, 2017 in response to questions about the deducibility of prepaid property taxes prompted by new limits on state and local property tax deductions enacted as part of TRA2017 scheduled to take effect in 2018, IR-2017-210 pre-paying 2018 state and local real property taxes in 2017 may be tax deductible only if the pre-paid amounts meet certain conditions.
According to IR-2017-210, whether a taxpayer is allowed a deduction for the prepayment of state or local real property taxes in 2017 generally depends on whether the taxpayer makes the payment in 2017 and the real property taxes are assessed prior to 2018. IR-2017-210 adds that a prepayment of anticipated real property taxes that have not been assessed prior to 2018 are not deductible in 2017.
According to IR-2017-210, the IRS generally considers a property tax assessedwhen the taxpayer becomes liable for the property tax imposed as determined by state or local law.
IR-2017-210 illustrates these points with the following examples:
Example 1: Assume County A assesses property tax on July 1, 2017 for the period July 1, 2017 – June 30, 2018. On July 31, 2017, County A sends notices to residents notifying them of the assessment and billing the property tax in two installments with the first installment due Sept. 30, 2017 and the second installment due Jan. 31, 2018. Assuming taxpayer has paid the first installment in 2017, the taxpayer may choose to pay the second installment on Dec. 31, 2017, and may claim a deduction for this prepayment on the taxpayer's 2017 return.
Example 2: County B also assesses and bills its residents for property taxes on July 1, 2017, for the period July 1, 2017 – June 30, 2018. County B intends to make the usual assessment in July 2018 for the period July 1, 2018 – June 30, 2019. However, because county residents wish to prepay their 2018-2019 property taxes in 2017, County B has revised its computer systems to accept prepayment of property taxes for the 2018-2019 property tax year. Taxpayers who prepay their 2018-2019 property taxes in 2017 will not be allowed to deduct the prepayment on their federal tax returns because the county will not assess the property tax for the 2018-2019 tax year until July 1, 2018.
Accordingly, before prepaying 2018 state and local property taxes in an effort to maximize the federal income tax deductibility of those pre-paid amounts, taxpayers generally will want to check with state and local property tax assessors to confirm that the proposed prepayment amounts are for 2018 property taxes already assessed as well as ensure that the payment is timely made before December 31, 2017.
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Students create online "Coronavirus Tracker" to keep average Americans informed
CS major Jason (XiangJun) Li and a few friends have developed a website designed to provide clear, reliable, up-to-date numbers and trends on the COVID-19 outbreak "for average Americans," particularly those on mobile phones. LiveCoronaUpdates.org, which was launched last Tuesday, uses data released by the World Health Organization and official government websites, and provides "the simplest and most intuitive dashboard for people to quickly understand the trends and assess risks." The site includes domestic and global numbers of patients confirmed/recovered/dead, simple graphics and tables, a headline feed, and text alerts using data that is updated every 3 hours.


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Great technologies are often met with the response "I never knew I wanted that!" So, uhm, here's the Samsung Galaxy Note! It will only fit in raverpants, and its trademark feature is a stylus. Well, we certainly never knew we wanted those features... but do we?
What Is It?
Big-ass smartphone? Or teeny-tiny tablet?
Who's it For?
Giant-handed peeps, stylus-loving scribblers, and media eaters.
The obvious bit first: It's frickin' big for a phone. Other than that, it looks like every other tablet: a rectangle of glass. It's surprisingly thin, especially given that there's a stylus jammed into it. Feels a little plasticky though—too bad that that's becoming Samsung's rep.
Using It
The UI is laggy, but the pen is actually kind of fun—maybe it's the novelty factor of using an outdated technology on a modern product? It's also buggy.
The Best Part
Big, beautiful Super AMOLED HD screen.
Tragic Flaw
When you are trying to justify putting a pen in your phone, you need to nail that biddy. Samsung didn't: The stylus misses way too many touches,
This Is Weird...
Stylus doesn't work on capacitive home keys.
Test Notes
-Though the TouchWiz UI lags a bit, the Note performs pretty well once your app is launched.
-Despite the very large battery, I still had to charge up in the middle of the day—the gigantic screen and the LTE radio bled the phone dry.
-You want to have your finger on the S-Pen's button so you can grab a screencap or to bring up S Memo, but if you accidentally press the button (and you will—it has a bit of a hair trigger) the stylus stops writing.
-The S-Pen's is so short and thin that it's actually hard to hold. It's like trying to write with a bamboo skewer.
-Not being able to use the pen on the the capacitive buttons is extremely annoying.
-Camera takes excellent photos and video (as you can see in the gallery). Certainly on par with the Galaxy S II. BUT, the shutter is insanely slow. Like often more than a second between when you hit the button and when it takes the shot (even after focus was set).
-The pen is supposed to differentiate between hundreds of levels of pressure. I'd say there's more like... 8. When you're pressing very lightly it doesn't sense the touch at all.
-Handwriting recognition was terrible.
Should You Buy It?
Only if you have giant hands, bad eyesight, and watch an imperial crapton of video on your phone.
UPDATE: When this article originally published there was a problem with the specs box and Giz Rank. The actual rank is 2.5 stars. My apologies to Samsung and our readers for the mistake.
Samsung Galaxy Note
• Network: AT&T
• OS: Android 2.3 Gingerbread
• CPU: 1.5-GHz Dual-core Snapdragon processor
• Screen: 5.3-inch 800 x 1280 pixel LCD
• Storage: 32GB + up to 32GB microSD
• Price: $300 w/ 2-year contract, $650 w/o
• Giz Rank: 2.5 stars


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Adult Virgins Say the Darndest Things
There are, in theory, emotionally stable adults who happen to be virgins and are capable discussing their virginity without humiliating themselves. Unfortunately, the humiliation-prone virgins on TLC and in the "Femail" section of The Daily Mail are constantly drowning the normal ones out.
Femail begins its latest "Happy To Be Virgins" feature begins with a proclamation: "They're stylish, eligible women who you'd assume would have their pick of lovers." Then it presents a series of full-body portraits, alongside sob stories about troubled self-esteem.
Ten choice quotes:
- "I don't want to sound conceited, but friends—both male and female—tell me men don't approach me because I'm too pretty.
- "I couldn't stand the thought of anyone seeing me naked."
- "I wasn't brought up a Christian, but I read Dan Brown's novel Angels And Demons when I was 21, and its theories on Christianity made me question my beliefs."
- "I learned to associate casual sex with disease."
- "I'm not going to lie—I look at David Beckham in his underpants and think he's attractive—but I've always managed to quash any impulse to act on my desire."
- "I volunteer for a homeless charity, which gives me a greater sense of satisfaction than any half-baked sexual encounter." [Ed: Fully baked stoner orgies with homeless dudes are extra-satisfying.]
- "I went to an all-girls private school which was described by the local boys as 'Whores on the Hill' because the girls there were so slutty."
- "The idea of finding a boyfriend who would tolerate my aggressive mood swings was inconceivable."
- "Once a month or so I might feel a flicker of desire, but nothing I need to act on."
- "If I lost my virginity to a man who then left me, I would feel exploited and fall to pieces."


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Here's an encouraging story by Martin Banks of Britain's The Register. If Shelagh Callahan of Intel Systems Technology Lab has her way, we will have another stream of energy powering the Information Card paradigm and underlying Identity Metasystem.
If your digital identity is going to mean anything, it has to be secured, and Shelagh Callahan of Intel's Systems Technology Lab thinks that has to start on your PC. She compares the state of identity today to early car designs, each with a different way of starting the engine; today every car has a key and you just have to find the ignition.
"With identity, not only do we not know where to put the ignition key, we don't even know there is a key. We want to make the platform understand what a key is and how you can use it. The intent is to make platforms as capable to understand identities in the future, as they are currently able to understand devices – to know what they are, how to 'load' them, how to find and associate resources, how to delete them, how to establish policy for them and so on."
Too many passwords, over-used identifiers that quickly lose any security they had (how hard is it to find your mother's maiden name?), poor privacy; the way we work with identity on our PCs is full of problems and it isn't flexile enough to actually do what we want it to. "I must know exactly who you are and how to find you but you must be able to be anonymous and I must be able to prove I'm not snooping. How can you be both strongly authenticated and anonymous?"
Single sign-on doesn't solve things, Callahan says. "With most solutions I have to give up control to get sanity." And you'll never get one single sign-on. "Intel won't federate with Amazon or with my local utility company." The only things all the services and suppliers have in common are you – and the devices you use.
The idea of the identity-capable platform is to authenticate to the platform itself on your device, rather than to a remote service. That avoids interception problems; you aren't broadcasting your biometrics or your smartcard authentication. You can prove who you are without handing over the credentials you use to prove it.
Callahan talks about a secure partition on your PC using the Trusted Platform Module chip. You authenticate yourself to the partition using a fingerprint reader, swipe card, mobile phone SIM or other secure methods and the partition provides your identity to remote sites and services, via web services being developed by the Liberty Alliance. There's no need for a site to deploy a Liberty Federation infrastructure to use ICP identities.
As well as authenticating you to services that need to know who you are, the identity platform can authorise you for services that need to know what you're allowed to do but not who you are. It can also introduce one person, service or device to another, again via web services.
If you travel, getting one bill for data connections from your mobile operator is simpler and often cheaper than paying for every hotspot individually – Callahan's team has worked on a prototype system where your mobile phone SIM gives you access to hotspots on your laptop. So if you want to set up a Wi-Fi account using the same identity as your mobile phone, the identity provisioning system can create a new identity that corresponds to the existing identity, using the TPM to lock the credentials to the platform for security. There will also be tools for linking identities (you might want to link a credit card identity to a membership identity so it gets renewed automatically), deleting identities and transporting them to other devices you use.
Services trust the platform because they trust that it's accurate and secure; the platform can assert how trustworthy it is by disclosing which secure method you've chosen to use. For users to trust it they have to be in control of where it identifies them, so there are policies for controlling who can use the authenticated identity claims you provide and what they can use them for.
"To the service providers the platform can act as a full partner in the infrastructure's identity strategy. And for the end user, their platform can safely store their personal information and they can more easily choose what they wish to disclose and to whom," Callahan says. The platform can also store preferences and metadata connected to an identity.
Callahan sees the identity platform inside the PC becoming part of the identity metasystem that Microsoft's Kim Cameron and others are arguing for. Identity selection technologies like Microsoft's CardSpace (formerly InfoCard) could use the platform as a way of storing and authenticating your Information Cards, as could the connection manager for your network association or an identity provider like your ISP, bank or enterprise IT team.
"The identity-capable platform is a strong complement to identity infrastructure, not competition for it," she says. "It is not about providing applications and services, but it is about making sure applications and services (including operating system level applications and services) can depend on consistent, standards-based support of identity functions."
Multi-core chips and virtualisation make it easier to switch from thinking about multi-tasking to envisioning a PC with different partitions and platforms providing secure, isolated services, whether that's identity, the network connection or a third-party maintenance service. The combination of partitions and services is behind all of Intel's current platforms like ViiV and vPro – although the identity platform is still a research project rather than something planned for a specific Intel release.


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The Value of Registered Nurses as Case Managers
Case Management, is recognized as an important tool in both the promotion of optimum client health outcomes and in reducing the costs of care. Tension and potential conflict can exist between these case management functions. Indeed the definitions of Case Management embody this tension.
·"…..a client centered service that enables people and their caregivers to achieve and maintain their highest level of functioning and independence consistent with their values, priorities, capacities, and preferences for care.
·An ongoing assessment process and the collaborative identification of changing needs and optimum outcomes facilitate the achievement of this goal.
·A practice that ensures the fiscally responsible use of appropriate resources to achieve the desired outcomes by mobilizing and integrating formal and informal support networks."
The reality of this tension means that the Case Manager, who oversees, coordinates and integrates care delivery, must possess the appropriate knowledge, skill, expertise and judgment to recognize the tension and act to ensure that high quality care is provided to those who need it, where and when they need it.
Despite the increasingly complex care needs of many patients, minimum qualifications and professional requirements for case managers have not been established in Ontario. The need for safe effective care makes it essential that there be clarity regarding case management practice and minimum standards for those who are case managers. High quality patient care requires a case manager who recognizes and acknowledges the systems issues that impact the case management role.
RNAO has long advocated for appropriate access to professional nursing services, and has expressed concerns regarding the impact of less qualified caregivers on the health of patients. RNAO's position is that Ontarians must have access to care from the most appropriate and best-qualified care provider. It is the position of the Registered Nurses Association of Ontario (RNAO) that registered nurses are ideal Case Managers.
RNs possess a broad nursing knowledge base that includes human/medical sciences, psychology, sociology, administration, and health care economics. This enables the registered nurse to identify the multiple and complex biopsychosocial needs of those receiving care. In addition, the RN's comprehensive view of health and understanding of the scope of other health care professionals facilitates the provision of integrated care that is both efficient and effective. This also enables registered nurses to design, coordinate, implement, and evaluate effective and cost efficient care.
Case Management as a Service - Background Case Management originated at the turn of the century within the disciplines of public health nursing and social work to assist clients in making a smooth transition from one sector (typically the hospital) to another (usually the home). Case management involved coordinating services and resources to assist people in meeting their needs. Over time, case management expanded to include the provision of care to patients from a variety of sectors and with diverse needs such as those with acquired brain injury or multiple health and social problems.
The Registered Nurse as Case Manager: Quality of Care Registered nurses bring to case management the experience and knowledge that is required for clinical decisions. The nursing process (assessment, planning, implementation, and evaluation) is an integral part of the case management process.
The increased complexity of care needs mandates greater coordination and continuity, and requires a strong grasp of patient care situations. A depth and breadth of knowledge in clinical issues is needed for sound decision making. Registered nurses, guided by the College of Nurses of Ontario's Standards of Practice, are accountable to provide high quality client care.
The nursing scope of practice also includes health promotion. This focus on prevention and education is beneficial to the health of patients and families. The shift from an illness centered medical model to a focus on prevention and optimal health and well being makes registered nurses particularly suitable to the case management role.
The research skills of registered nurses include knowledge of best practices and the ability to apply relevant research findings to optimize clinical outcomes. The skill to integrate this information into a health and social plan for the patient is essential. In some settings this skill is essential to design and coordinate vocational care plans.
The Registered Nurse as Case Manager: System Effectiveness Registered nurses have strong clinical and decision making skills that enable them to provide care to a wide range of patients and families, across the life cycle, in all states of health. Thus the case manager who is a registered nurse can effectively monitor client status in response to intervention and address these changes as necessary.
Case management requires the ability to match patient needs with resources. The demands of the health-care system require a sound knowledge of community resources and supports to facilitate access to services by patients and their families.
Increasingly acutely ill and complex clients are being supported in a multitude of complex settings where resources may be scarce and difficult to access. These clients are also more likely to experience rapid changes in their clinical presentations. This reality underscores the need for case managers who can think critically and exercise sound decision-making. This decision making is based on an in-depth, comprehensive knowledge of overall patient needs, experience, a holistic perspective, use of appropriate strategies and the resources available to address client needs. This includes the need to interpret disease processes and related changes, promote wellness and engage in focused health promotion in providing care to patients and families.
The climate of cost control and rationed resources can negatively impact client care, particularly for vulnerable populations. In facing the challenge of simultaneously advocating for the client and being stewards of organizational resource, the case manager must be accountable first and foremost to the clients they serve. To that end case managers have a responsibility to advocate for fundamental change at the systems or organizational level to meet patient needs. Case management does not replace the coordination, care and treatment provided by other team members, including registered nurses in their practices. Rather, case management reflects a collaborative process with clinical nursing and multidisciplinary team members to maximize system effectiveness. The RN case manager can effectively collaborate with all members of the interdisciplinary team to avoid duplication of service. The collaboration process involves assessment, planning, implementation, coordination, monitoring, and evaluation of the options and services needed. It may also include involvement in vocational, employment, and social rehabilitation counseling.
Case management service, delivered by a regulated professional such as a registered nurse, is paramount as our health care system changes and the needs of those receiving care becomes increasingly complex. For reasons of health care effectiveness and optimal client outcomes, Ontarians need the assurance of a regulated professional to fulfill this critical function. Among regulated professionals, registered nurses are ideal case managers for their ability to meet the needs of complex clients throughout the life cycle.
Source: Registered Nurses Association of Ontario


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September 11, 2011
Dylan Williams is gone. I had a real good cry when i read the news a few hours ago, my 6-year old son Carter consoling me the while. Dylan's illness pretty much came up out of nowhere in the first place, at least for me. And now he's gone. We'd see each other several times a year, at parties, conventions, books stores, wherever — Portland's a small town — and while i'd heard he had some health issues, he himself certainly never let on about it or to what extent. I just participated on a comics panel with Dylan at the IPRC not long ago, and he was just as vital a comics intellect and crazy fanboy as ever. Part of the comics cognoscenti. I'd known Dylan since i began publishing; his activity in San Francisco with Puppy Toss was a huge influence on me, and was one of the catalysts that gave me the publishing bug. I featured some of his own comics in the Top Shelf anthology way back when. Wither Sparkplug, damnit? Shit crap damn. Dylan was a friend and a peer and he was one the good guys...
I'll miss you. I've no doubt you'll be kicking some ass wherever you are now...
everything priced to MOVE!!
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That's right, kids, it's another one of our massive sales. Tom Spurgeon does a bang-up job succinctly explaining the Why we do these crazy sales at the Comics Reporter. Don't miss out.
• Jennifer Hayden is interviewed at Comics DC about her new book Underwire in advance of her appearance at SPX this weekend!
• Gregory Benton continues to produce more terrific sketchbook pages. Check them out at his Facebook page!
jennifer hayden jennifer hayden jennifer hayden!!!
September 6, 2011 / More →
Just got this newsletter info from Jennifer Hayden. Her work is outstanding, so listen up close now, y'hear!!
Hey Friends--
UNDERWIRE is here! No shit! 100 copies are sitting in my living room right now!
Top Shelf did a beautiful job publishing this baby--softcover with French flaps, and a gorgeous book and cover design by Chris Ross. It's eighty pages, with twenty-two of the webcomic strips, plus seventeen new pages of comix and art made exclusively for this book.
UNDERWIRE debuts at Small Press Expo this weekend, September 10 & 11, in Bethesda, Maryland. I'll be there all weekend, so swing on by the Top Shelf table, and I'll deface a copy for ya.
On Sunday, if you're looking for trouble, come listen to a panel I'll be speaking on at 3:00 p.m. called "Images of The Body". Moderator Craig Fischer will talk with Robyn Chapman (Hey 4-Eyes!, Make), Gabby Schulz (Monsters), and Jen Vaughn (Don't Hate, Menstruate! Heavy Flow), and me about "the ethics, erotics and extremes involved in representing the external experience of the body." Should be pretty graphic...
I'm also bringing along a new minicomic you can pick up if you're at the show-a collection of strips from my new webcomic S'CRAPBOOK.
If you can't make it to SPX, you can always order a copy of UNDERWIRE.
And if you want to read a nice review of UNDERWIRE, try this.
Thanks for all of your support over the years! And if I've got someone on this mailing list who is just dying to get off it, I completely sympathize--just shoot me an email and I'll remove you from the list...
And thank the Goddess for all the books!
YIKES!... two weeks since my last update...
August 27, 2011 / More →
Hey, i've been busy doing domestic stuff; sanded and oiled my back patio picnic table; painted the entirety of my kitchen and breakfast nook; and have been working my garden and cooking up a storm. (Besides which, Twitter and Facebook take "some" of the pressure off of me with this blog gig, though that's no excuse.)
Anyhoo, lots to catch up on...
A benefit sale is being held at Floating World here in Portland this coming Monday, the 29th and Tuesday, the 30th to offset Sparkplug Comics publishing magnate Dylan Williams' medical bills as he battles cancer. If you aren't in Portland, Tom Spurgeon has a call-to-arms on the Comics Reporter encouraging you to buy Sparkplug Comics directly from the source as a means of support.
Floating World Comics is located in their (awesome new, spacious, light-filled) digs at 400 NW Couch, one block off Burnside at 4th & Couch. They are open from 11 a.m. - 7 p.m. every day.
• Check out this sweet art update by old Top Shelf-er Rick (Crust) Pinchera. But wait!... Rick just completed work illustrating the graphic for Top Shelf West's very first (15 years later) trade show banner display! I'll be debuting this at APE, so come on by and check it out in person!
Here for your edification are the work files that Rick sent my way as we worked together to find the final image. I have to say, it was huge fun working with Rick again on this as art director.
• From New Zealand's Ant Sang (whose Dharma Punks blew my mind years ago), comes his new graphic novel Shaolin Burning. Holy crap this looks awesome!
Here's the trailer.
• Former Top Shelf intern Andy Kettler has been one busy motherfucker, spending some time at SVA, and honing his wildly spectacular chops. Great shit, Andy!
• Check this out! Now you can get the Top Shelf Kids Club Sampler for FREE on iBooks.
• Here's a trio of awesome Top Shelf reviews at The Daily Blam! Thanks to @nitamosquita for the heads-up on Twitter ; )
• The great Richmond Fontaine (lead by frontman Willy Vlautin) has this bitchin' scary new video out, promoting their awesome new record The High Country. It's directed by fellow Oregonian Gary Lundgren, who directed the excellent film Calvin Marshall a couple years ago. Coincidentally, my friend John Askew provided the music and score for Calvin Marshall, and produced The High Country. (And did the Blankets soundtrack several years back!)
• In non-comics news, you may have seen me Tweeting a lot about this Tar Sands bullshit, which the State Dept just told us is oh so fine and pretty for us all. Please, watch this, and you be the judge.
Tar Sands Action/ Josh Fox from JFOX on Vimeo.
• Also on the political front, let's review this guys' speeches from just a few short years ago. And imagine how much money we'd save as a nation if we could just kick our war habit; a nation that is threatening to end YOUR Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare because we're supposedly so broke. I've been paying in for a loooong time... i just hope the return is there when and if i choose to retire. (Though if the hard-right freaks get their way, it won't be.)
• O.k. I'm out. Until next time, my friends. This bartender says don't drink and drive!
we're running a BLANKETS contest!...
August 12, 2011 / More →
at Comics Alliance! Winner receives a copy of the book with an original sketch by Craig Thompson inside!! Contest runs until Tuesday, the 16th.
August 8, 2011
James Kochalka will doing two appearances in Philadelphia on Labor Day weekend. Here's a poster Box Brown made for the event.
James also won the award for Best Cartoonist in Vermont, in the Seven Days paper.
• Here's a clip of one of my favorite local bands. And even though the dumb-ass interviewer calls it surf music, they're pretty much a straight-up roadhouse style blues band. I was there (in fact, if you close you can see me when they pan the audience) and danced my butt off.
• Finally, i have to gibe some props to one of the most under-rated cartoonists working in comics today, my old pal Chris Cilla. I recently read his feature-length mind-fuck of a book, The Heavy Hand, published by Sparkplug Comics. To be honest, i'd be hard pressed to tell you "what it's about." Needless to say, it left a lingering impression on me. Weird is the best way to put it. And gorgeously drawn too. Heard it from Chris himself just today that Zak Sally's La Mano will be releasing a collection of Chris' long out of print mini-comics run called The Diplomat. If you like indy comics, you owe yourself to check out the fine work of Chris Cilla.
eddie campbell is...
August 4, 2011 / More →
blogging again!! (Thanks to Tom at The Comics Reporter for the heads up.)
Seriously comics-lovers, Eddie is one of the smartest, most erudite raconteurs about art, literature and comics that our beloved medium has. He's always worth reading.
And if you've never read his work (besides Shame On You!), we've got some gems right here for you.
Alec: The Years Have Pants.
This is arguably the most sublime autobiographical comics ever created.
The Playwright. (With Daren White.)
Witty and poignent, with perhaps Eddie's best art to date.
And of course, the inimitable From Hell. (With Alan Moore.)
Who the heck is Alan Moore, anyway. Of course, i kid... From Hell is without question one of the highest achievements in the history of comics. A transcendental masterpiece.
just back from some camping...
August 1, 2011 / More →
and now, back to the day-to-day, Sigh...
This little blog update is all-Kochalka.
Here's the beautiful little piece James drew that was made into a bookplate give-away at ComicCon last weekend. His entire family was in attendance.
And here's a little number James dug up on Comic Art Fans. From a joint appearance with James and Craig Thompson at ComicCon in 2004, and drawn on the title page of the anthology they each appeared in, Happy Endings, edited by the great Diana Schutz.
Gregory Benton, stud artist, cartoonist and friend of Top Shelf
July 27, 2011 / More →
has started a new art blog called The Daily Pocket Book on Facebook. I'm a huge admirer of Gregory's work, and it's awesome to see a place online where i can check his stuff out. Big ups, G!!
• David Walker and the guys at the Cort and Fatboy podcast spill some Top Shelf love!
Reading Frenzy, Portland's premier small press & zine store
July 25, 2011 / More →
is having a Kickstarter campaign for the new Superstitions issue of Crap Hound, and could use your support.
• Haven't had much time to read as of late, but of what i have read, here's what i can recommend:
-- The Death of Elijah Lovejoy, by Noah Van Sciver. A chapter that Noah excised from his forthcoming Abe Lincoln book. I can see why he cut it out in context of the larger narrative, but this is at the same time a terrific standalone story. [Read more here at Comix Talk.]
-- Goodness, by Mel Stringer. Sweet little mini with delicious pencil chops. Fine cartooning.
-- Papercutter #16. Edited by Greg Means, with contributions from Nate Beaty, Joey Allison Sayers, Liz Prince, and Alexis Frederick-Frost. Once again, my absolutely favorite anthology. This one's got a couple dark stories that really got under my skin.
-- The wonderful Anne Koyama did a comics swap with me, and two books i finished were the anthology Root Rot, edited by Anne and Michael DeForge, and Cat Rackham Loses It!, by Steve Wolfhard. Both heaps of fun and candy for the eyes.
• Finally, there's Dan Clowes' recent Mister Wonderful. To be quite honest, Clowes is one of those creators who, to me seem preternaturally deft at the medium. A master if you would. And as such, there's this little itsy bitsy part of me who kind of wants to see a big fat turn drop one day, if only to show me that he's human. No such luck. Brilliant comics. (And sadly, as an absolute dork around girls i crush on myself, i can relate to the protagonist.) It's a quick read, but worth your time.
comiccon is in full-swing...
July 21, 2011 / More →
and i'm not there! How weird. I've been in attendance 14 years in a row, as well as 91, 94, and 96. In any case, Top Shelf is there in full force, so make sure to swing by our booth and say hello to everyone there.
• Anyhoo, here's a terrific chalk-talk Nate Powell gave at Pulaski Tech College about comics storytelling. I love how much of a Michael Golden nerd Nate is. Good stuff!!
• And here's a new episode of Dusty McCord's Dumb Geeks. (Reminder, Dusty did our final edit of the Veeps movie, directed by me.
busy busy busy...
July 14, 2011 / More →
lots of cool stuff, so much to see and do...
Kagan Mcleod has crafted the most bitchin' comic book trailer i've ever laid eyes on, and everyone is (justifiably) raving about it.
• Wayne Shellabarger (Veeps co-author, with Bill Kelter) to a snap today at the Oakland Public Library. Some Matt Kindt love!
• Direct from the Brewmasters at Cartoon Brew, "Chief Serenbe" by Evan Curtis. This is wicked cool animation. I really dig the Kerouac reference. Truly outstanding.
"Cartoon Brew's Student Animation Festival continues today with the third film in our line-up: Chief Serenbe by Evan Curtis from the Savannah College of Art and Design. This stop motion short really stood out to us as we were watching the entries. The film isn't conventionally narrative, but engages the viewer by taking us into the world of a drifter. It is a surprisingly emotional piece of work and manages to create a distinctive sense of time and place. Curtis's cinematic approach and use of depth of field makes us forget the star of the film is just a small toy."
Chief Serenbe from Cartoon Brew on Vimeo.
• Wait... what?! Jennifer Hayden is making jewelry from her comics... she guessed it, a first for Top Shelf.
• Hey folks, our pal Conch over at KBOO's Words & Pictures program is airing his interview with Portlanders Jesse Reklaw and Lisa Magnum today (Thursday), two swell folks and part of the comics cognoscenti here in Portland.
"Thursday July 14th from 11:30 to noon, Words & Pictures welcomes local comics artist, publisher, and promoter Jesse Reklaw, creator of the long-running dream-chronicle strip Slow Wave. Jesse will be joined by Lisa Mangum, publisher and co-editor of Gazeta, the international comics anthology, and they'll talk about the new comics certificate program that they're launching this month at the Independent Publishing Resource Center.
"Words & Pictures airs the second Thursday of each month from 11:30am to noon (PDT) on KBOO Radio, 90.7fm. KBOO's real-time webstream via iTunes or Abacast. More info and links to recent Words & Pictures audio archives."
super early computer animation
July 10, 2011 / More →
"Chips in Space," from my friend and old University of Oregon prof Ken O'Connell.
Ken writes, "It is based upon 512 chips of color. Each corner of the cube is a primary red, yellow and blue and cyan, magenta and yellow, and then black and white to form the eight corners.
"My friend, Terry Beyer, was a programmer in the computer science department and did all the programming on an Apple II computer."
Some great music, too.
and now even more on Lucille!...
July 3, 2011 / More →
over at Comic Book Resources.
• Greg Ruth rocks a sweet, FREE download called Logs I Have Known.
As a budding tree geek myself, as well as a big fan of Greg's awesome lush artwork, this is kind of blowing my mind.
• My pal Mike Baehr up at Fantagraphics sent me this screen-grab, from Conan O'Brian. He wrote, "Just caught this on my DVR. Every episode has a jokey episode title -- I don't know if this was a deliberate Kochalka reference, but it's pretty cool!"
ludovic debeurme youtube flick...
June 30, 2011 / More →
a tres chic short film about him and his work. If you haven't read it yet, folks, Lucille is a wonderfully compelling and emotionally resonate graphic novel.


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Grays Peak and Torreys Peak, Grays Peak Trailhead, Summit County - Eagle County - Clear Creek County, Colorado
Grays Peak and Torreys Peak - 8.35 miles
Grays Peak Trailhead
|Round-Trip Length:
|8.35 miles (distance and total elevation gain incl. both peaks)
|Start-End Elevation:
|11,259' - 14,270' and 14,267'
|Elevation Change:
|+3,011' net elevation gain (+3,366' total roundtrip elevation gain)
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Grays Peak and Torreys Peak - 8.35 Miles Round-Trip
Grays Peak (14,270') and Torreys Peak (14,267') are the two highest points along the Continental Divide, and considered among the most accessible fourteeners in Colorado. The summits are connected by a .8 mile long saddle, making both attainable in a day with an early start.
The peaks stand over a deep valley framed by Kelso Mountain (13,164') to the north, and Mount Edwards (13,850') and McClellan Mountain's (13,587) serrated ridge to the south.
The Grays Peak National Recreation Trail scales Stevens Gulch into the upper valley, where it splits for Grays Peak and the saddle between the summits. The following describes clockwise travel to Grays, crosses the saddle to Torreys, and returns by a connector trail to form a lollipop loop:
The trail crosses Stevens Gulch Creek and climbs steadily on a wide, rocky path through the last of treeline. Travel is moderate from .8 miles (11,890') - 1.7 miles (12,245'), a chance to make up time in advance of more demanding sections ahead.
In 1.7 miles (12,245') the trail steepens up the north side of a divisive ridge in the upper valley; once over it bends east and south again on a more assertive climb into the tundra.The trail curls several times toward the valley-center on a rugged path, pressing steeply in spurts to the split for Grays Peak and Torreys Peak (2.8 miles : 13,273').
Bear left toward Grays on a steady, strenuous climb through uneven talus. Though generally well-defined, be mindful of false splits in the indistinguishable rock-scape. These social trail options generally link back to the main, but lead through unnecessarily challenging terrain.
A sharp east-southeast bend marks the final approach, crossing 14,000' at 3.45 miles. The trail narrows and tightens up a few turns just before leveling on Grays Peak (3.7 miles : 14,270').
Look for a Torreys Peak sign on the summit's north side to resume travel. Torreys' conical summit stands .8 miles away across a saddle on the Divide. The trail drops steeply on a rugged, tightly-wound path to the saddle trail connector (4.05 miles : 13,805').
Continue past this split to the saddle's lowest point (4.1 miles : 13,757') before turning uphill for Torreys. The trail is considerably narrower and less stable than what led you to Grays, requiring greater attention to footing and other hikers.
You'll cross 14,000' after 4.4 miles on the final push to Torreys Peak (4.55 miles : 14,267'). Retrace your steps back down the saddle, mindful of sliding rock, drop-offs and other hikers.
You'll reach the saddle trail connector once again (5.05 miles : 13,805'), this time splitting left down a perennial snowfield on the east side of the Divide. Tread cautiously on this section.
Once through the trail becomes quite clear (5.15 miles : 13,795'), and falls quickly back to the original split for Grays Peak and Torreys Peak (5.5 miles : 13,273').
Continue back down the main trail, which gradually moderates back to the Grays Peak - Stevens Gulch Trailhead to complete the hike (8.35 miles : 11,259').
Interactive GPS Topo MapKey GPS Coordinates - DATUM WGS84
- N39 39.645 W105 47.082 — 0.0 miles : Grays Peak Trailhead
- N39 39.270 W105 47.329 — .5 miles : Moderately steep climb up Stevens Gulch
- N39 39.179 W105 47.676 — 1.0 miles : Mild grade beside Kelso Mountain
- N39 38.856 W105 48.004 — 1.5 miles : Moderate climb north of divisive ridge
- N39 38.708 W105 48.489 — 2.0 miles : Grade steepens up and over ridge
- N39 38.398 W105 48.668 — 2.6 miles : Begin steep push through rugged talus
- N39 38.272 W105 48.795 — 2.8 miles : Trail split for Grays (left) and saddle (rig
- N39 38.178 W105 48.723 — 3.0 miles : Keep left at false split
- N39 38.089 W105 49.009 — 3.45 miles : Break through 14,000'
- N39 38.028 W105 49.053 — 3.7 miles : Grays Peak (14,270')
- N39 38.258 W105 49.115 — 4.05 miles : Split for trail down saddle - keep straight
- N39 38.467 W105 49.234 — 4.4 miles : Break through 14,000'
- N39 38.565 W105 49.273 — 4.55 miles : Torreys Peak (14,267')
- N39 38.258 W105 49.115 — 5.05 miles : Split for trail down saddle - turn left
- N39 38.272 W105 48.795 — 5.55 miles : Back at split for Grays Peak and saddle
- N39 39.645 W105 47.082 — 8.35 miles : Grays Peak Trailhead
Worth Noting
- Arrive early to secure parking, avoid crowds and afternoon thunderstorms. Be mindful of changing weather and leave summits well before storms develop.
- Anticipate changing weather conditions throughout the day, and carry versatile layers.
- Hiking poles are highly recommended to assist with steep grades and uneven terrain. Carry extra water, as high elevations dehydrate the body at a fast rate.
- Mountain Goat are frequently seen on the highest slopes of Grays and Torreys peaks. Look for bighorn sheep on nearby ridges, and elk and moose in the lower tundra and valley floor.
Camping and Backpacking Information
- Dispersed backcountry camping is permitted in the Arapaho National Forest. Camping is prohibited within 100' of any lake or stream. Group size is limited to 15 individuals.
- Campfires are permitted for dispersed camping in the backcountry, with potential seasonal and location-specific restrictions. Campfires are not permitted above or within .25 miles (440 yards) of treeline, or within 100' of any lake or stream.
- Contact the Clear Creek Ranger District (303.567.3000) for the latest on weather, trail conditions and trail-specific usage guidelines when planning your trip.
- Camping is limited to 14 consecutive days in one location. After 14 days, the campsite must be moved a minimum of three miles.
- The Clear Creek Ranger District maintains eight developed campgrounds. All are accessed from the Peak to Peak Scenic Byway, Guanella Pass Scenic Byway, I-70 and Colorado Highways 40, 103, and 119. Operating seasons vary, however most range from mid-May through mid-October. Contact the Clear Creek Ranger District for availability and detailed information on each.
Fishing Information
- Fishing is permitted with a valid Colorado fishing license.
Rules and Regulations
- Dogs are permitted on the Grays Peak National Recreation Trail.
- Horses, bikes and mechanized vehicles are not permitted on the Grays Peak National Recreation Trail.
Directions to Trailhead
Grays Peak and Torreys Peak are located within the Clear Creek Ranger District of the Arapaho National Forest. The Grays Peak Trailhead (variously referred to as the Stevens Gulch Trailhead) is located 3 miles south of I-70 on Stevens Gulch Road (Forest Service Road 189).
From I-70, exit #221 and turn south over the highway. Drive through the unpaved parking area and continue on FS 189 to the Grays Peak Trailhead. The road to the trailhead is narrow and bumpy. High clearance 4x2 and 4x4 vehicles are recommended, although less-capable vehicles can make the drive in perfect conditions. Parking spaces fill up very quickly, especially on weekends. Arrive early to secure a space. Roadside parking is permitted, but can add significant distance on foot to reach the trailhead.
Contact Information
Clear Creek Ranger District
101 Chicago Creek Road
P.O. Box 3307
Idaho Springs, CO 80452
Dillon Ranger District
680 Blue River Parkway
Silverthorne, CO 80498
M - F from 8am - 4pm


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How America Can Get More Start-Up Talent
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The Center for Internet and Society at Stanford Law School is a leader in the study of the law and policy around the Internet and other emerging technologies.
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Over the past ten years, the debate over "network neutrality" has remained one of the central debates in Internet policy. Governments all over the world, including the United States, the European Union, the United Kingdom, France and Germany, have been investigating whether legislative or regulatory action is needed to limit the ability of providers of Internet access services to interfere with the applications, content and services on their networks. Read more about Network Neutrality and Quality of Service: What a Non-Discrimination Rule Should Look Like
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May 10, 2008
Reorder iGoogle Tabs
If you're wondering how to access the settings page from iGoogle, click on the small arrow displayed next to the name of the current tab and select "Edit this tab". The settings page is also the place where you can select your location, choose to automatically open links in a new tab, change the name and the layout of a tab or backup the iGoogle page. Oh, and don't forget to click on the barely noticeable Save button every time you change the settings of a tab.
It's amazing to see how simple and intuitive Netvibes' interface can be: the tabs can be reordered using drag and drop, tab names can be changed using a simple click and switching between different tabs doesn't reload the page. iGoogle still has a lot to learn from Netvibes in terms of user friendliness.
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Reordering tab feature is nice; I had usually just renamed a tag and moved gadgets around. Moving gadgets around though seems to be a 'sticky' problem. They just won't budge either or linux or windows.ReplyDelete
Do any of Google interfaces support drag and drop?ReplyDelete
For web-mail, both AOL and Yahoo added this long ago. Problem is both systems are buggy and slow, which is my guess as to why Google has avoided it.
If we ever reach a point where most browsers work the same way (and without unpredictably quirky point releases) maybe we can expect more drag and drop interfaces. In the mean time, I'll settle for things that just get the job done (and the option to turn off AJAX when necessary).
You can reorder the gadgets or move them to a new tab using drag and drop. Other Google applications that use drag and drop: Google Reader, Google Maps, Google Docs.ReplyDelete
I think one problem with drag n drop is that as it's not working across all UIs on the web, users rarely expect it, and thus rarely look for it -- which makes it less discoverable. Links leading to forms, on the other hand, are more easily discovered. However, a "grip surface" can sometimes indicate draggability, and in any case, *additionally* supporting drag n drop for power users can't seem to hurt.ReplyDelete
I'd rather suggest, Google buy Netvibes. I ve never used iG since Netvibes ginger was introduced.ReplyDelete
The changes might have lots of features but I don't like the loss of desktop space. I hope they will give us an option as the location of the tabs.ReplyDelete
I agree the tabs need to be moved back to the top like they were, having them on the left side uses up valuable space for no reason. PLEASE LISTEN!!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousDecember 1, 2008 at 8:33 AM
I think Google has become an evil uncaring corporation now and is following in Microsofts footsteps..ReplyDelete
- AnonymousDecember 1, 2008 at 8:34 AM
zomg netvibes is aw3some! adios igoogleReplyDelete
- AnonymousMarch 15, 2009 at 10:26 AM
To place your tabs at the top, simply use this url instead: http://www.google.com/ig?gl=allReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 24, 2009 at 12:45 AM
Or, if you want your tabsl at the top, use www.pageflakes.comReplyDelete