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Rebecca Chernoff
@NullUserExceptionఠ_ఠ feel free to reply to them afterwards, we'll get them in the digest that gets posted.
Michael Mrozek
@NullUserExceptionఠ_ఠ They're not going to lock the room down at 3:00, you could keep answering :)
Brad Larson
@KevinVermeer If I can see a core question of value, and it's just a matter of poorly expressing this, I edit questions flagged like this that I see in the 10k tools right now. Truly bad questions that I don't feel are salvageable I vote to close and / or delete (if they really have not redeemable qualities). I'm proud of turning more than one trainwreck of a question around with a good edit.
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
@RebeccaChernoff Good luck to all of the other candidates :)
@MichaelMrozek Oh they're not? That's good to hear.
@casperOne: If they've been on the site only a few days, there's no way anyone knows them; and if they make bad posts, there's no way they would be upvoted in election. So the situation is unlikely. Perhaps if they're a moderator from a similar site then that would be good.
Yes, there'll be some gaps, but feel free to ping me into chat anytime.
Anna Lear
@RebeccaChernoff Thank you everyone for coming and asking questions. Good luck to all the candidates.
@RebeccaChernoff I hate politics. So I'll close this by saying: Simply choose who you think will do the best job. If that's me, great. If not, that's fine too. But the best for the community should take the position...
Rebecca Chernoff
psst, my last line was, like, an actual question q: explicit reply to it please! (:
@GeorgeStocker They need to have a reasonable level of rep, it is something earned over time that shows they should know what they are talking about. They should also have been a member for a reasonable period of time.
Sam Saffron
Thank you all for your time, we got some really awesome answers!
@RebeccaChernoff I'm thankful for the opportunity to even be considered among other great candidates for the role of moderator. I want to thank those that have or will support me, and wish everyone well in the election, we'll all benefit as a community regardless of the outcome.
@slugster: What's reasonable, in your opinion?
Oh, and I hang out in the
room quite often, so if you have anything else to ask, drop on by
Thanks folks
@RebeccaChernoff I only hope I responded well. This got me really nervous like a real job interview...
NullUserException ఠ_ఠ
I'll try to come back tomorrow and answer questions I didn't answer today.
Adam Robinson
Thanks for organizing this chat! If anyone has any specific questions for me, feel free to tag me in chat or reply to my original nomination. I'll be happy to answer them.
@JustinjjnguyNelson And the same to you (all)
@RebeccaChernoff I want to thank everyone for coming. There were some great questions that really got me thinking. (I'm often in the MSO Tavern, and occasionally the C++<Lounge>. ) I thank you all for the opportunity. Good luck to everyone!
George Stocker
@RebeccaChernoff I enjoy Stack Overflow, and I enjoy giving back to the community and to the site. I will continue to do it.
Rebecca Chernoff
Thanks everyone for participating! A digest of the chat will be posted to MSO sometime soon.
NullUserException ఠ_ఠ
Good day to everyone and good luck in the election
@minitech So why have a rep limit at all? You are saying that the person wouldn't possibly be elected as moderator.
@RebeccaChernoff Experience and longevity are very important, but a fresh perspective and passion for issues is important, too.
@minitech Definately over 10K, this means they have been exposed to the 10K mod tools and should have used them.
Anna Lear
I was so busy typing out my answers, I have no idea what anyone else said outside of the questions. :P
Brad Larson
@GeorgeStocker Unfortunately, people tend to judge moderator candidates on visible contributions (questions asked and answered) rather than the things behind the scenes that they've done to keep things clean. The latter is what a moderator will do, with less time for the former. Reputation is only important to the point where you've been exposed to the tools you'll need as a moderator.
@RebeccaChernoff More like it will be a great deal to digest. =)
Rebecca Chernoff
Also note that there will be a second town hall chat, which of course everyone is welcome to attend as well, see the meta post or chat schedule for the time
Thanks everyone, I may have missed a question or two, I'll be back for tomorrows chat if you want to re-ask them.
NullUserException ఠ_ఠ
I gotta cook dinner now
@RobertHarvey Not
decision, just the special cases, and maybe the rest on occasion.
NullUserException ఠ_ఠ
@BradLarson Valid point.
Michael Petrotta
Thanks for moderating, @RebeccaChernoff.
Rebecca Chernoff
@slugster just go ahead and reply to whatever you want. We'll get it added to the digest
I will try to be to tomorrow's, but being that I will be at work, I can't predict what others will ask of me at that time (right now the calendar is clear, but it may not be by then)
NullUserException ఠ_ఠ
Over and out.
@RebeccaChernoff Thank you for this opportunity, Ms Chernoff
@casperOne I suppose so.
Rebecca Chernoff
And finally, best of luck to all the candidates
Thanks @Rebecca
@GeorgeStocker A moderator serves at the pleasure of the community. I fall on that side because I see it as a privilege, not a right, and one has to treat it and the people who made being a moderator possible with respect.
George Stocker
Thanks @RebeccaChernoff. (:
@RebeccaChernoff Thank you!
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
Rebecca Chernoff
@Pubby no. not in here. go here:
The SO Tavern (Free Snacks)
Room 5 was frozen for inactivity even though it was once an ac...
let's keep the chit-chat to a minimum so that if candidates missed a question, they can reply to it now / when able.
Moshe For Mod!
5 messages
moved to
The SO Tavern (General)
@RobertHarvey Besides flags, I currently already communicate with the mods on other platforms (e.g. Twitter). Even now, there's still a lot for me to learn, particularly about the earliest questions on SO as I wasn't around in the very first year. Gray-area issues are also something I'll prefer not to stick my nose in unless I'm
what I'm about to do.
@RebeccaChernoff Thanks!
Brad Larson
Thanks @RebeccaChernoff for organizing this. It was a blast, although I'm going to need to go back and read everything I missed while typing. I look forward to tomorrow's session.
@KevinVermeer Did you mean to include me in there, or did it autocomplete? hehe
@MichaelPetrotta Help along with the rest of the community via comments.
@GeorgeStocker I expect there to be some of both. You need to police when there is a problematic user (as I'm not a mod yet I don't know how many of these there are, you typically get one or two complaining in Meta every couple of days). The majority of the time would be serving, doing reactive type work like monitoring the flag queue, closing/deleting, etc.
@casperOne How would you respond to the ancient Greek thought that "Those most suited to positions of power are those unwilling to seek it, as they will be least likely to abuse it"...? (I ask this late, as I didn't think it belonged on record)...
@Pubby I'm fairly certain I'll be in agreement with most of the things that other, more experienced mods do - but if there's something I stand strongly by I'll discuss it with them.
Kevin Vermeer
@jonsca Nope, you were in
this <10k and no mod status anywhere
category, and left in the list by accident, but I can't edit that anymore (it's on the chat.stackoverflow network and I'm only a mod on chat.stackexchange). I'll edit once it hits MSO (if it doesn't get edited when it's moved to the digest).
@GeorgeStocker As a moderator, policing
in a way serving, but still only one aspect of it. Amidst all the cleanup work I'll be doing, for instance, there are still questions to answer - the heart of Stack Exchange.
@ircmaxell Are you sure it's not "Those who seek power are not worthy of that power."?
@KevinVermeer Okay, just checking, I thought maybe I'd been a mod on DBA and I didn't know it. Thanks!
@casperOne Similar sentiment. I need to find the book and look up the exact quote...
but it related those unwilling to seek it being necessary
@KevinVermeer Only edit if I find that I can squeeze something out of it by doing so. If nothing can or needs to be done, and it simply has to go, it goes.
Kevin Vermeer
@jonsca When answering that question, you can probably reference the fact that a lot of the mods on SE 2.0 sites didn't have 10k before becoming mods, the tools aren't that hard to learn, and there's always TL to consult if you're not sure. Being in the primary is usually a good proxy to being savy with a computer. Evidence that you could make good
when using the tools would, IMO, be much more important than knowing how to use them.
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
@casperOne @ircmaxell I don't think that quote is relevant. A mod is not a ruler. They gain some power, but they gain far greater responsibility.
Rebecca Chernoff
that's ok
it'll be fine in the digest
@JustinjjnguyNelson Fair, but just responding to his answer. I don't think in general it's applicable, but more as a response to how he phrased his answer...
Robert Harvey
@BoltClock: It's like a
flash mob.
@MichaelMrozek Nope, not for a single instance of mouthing off, acting up. A name call is just a name call, it goes with the territory. If it was aired in Meta I would explain my actions, much like the current mods do, and I realise that mods sometimes make mistakes too (been there, done that). If they persisted then it would be time to administer the appropriate smack-down, whether that be a ban or something else (I dunno what is available so can't be too specific)
Rebecca Chernoff
@JustinjjnguyNelson if you want to make sure that makes it into the digest, explicit reply please. (:
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
@RebeccaChernoff I couldn't determine the root question...
Rebecca Chernoff
@ircmaxell But to respond to your specific quote, I prefer Shakespeare's
Twelfth Night
- "but be not afraid of greatness: some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon 'em." Not that being a mod is about being powerful or achieving greatness, but I do not think that aspiration/ambition is exclusive to those with ill intent.
@casperOne I don't think it is either, just was curious. Nice reply (and thanks)
@ircmaxell Not a problem, best of luck.
Erick Robertson
How much rep should I be docked for missing the town hall?
@GeorgeStocker Honestly... 20k ("trusted user" privilege). But then, although reputation is often a safe and useful indicator of someone's experience with the site and with its subject matter, it shouldn't be the primary or sole criterion for judging whether somebody can be a mod.
OMG Ponies
Looks like I'm fashionably late
@Kev Investigate. I don't take it personally, SO has mechanisms to detect that sort of abuse. There will also already be a process for dealing with someone found doing that so I would follow the process. The rep loss is reversible, but it is important to identify any user abusing the system because if they make a habit of it it just gets out of hand and causes more work for the mods.
Welcome @OMGPonies. You have some answering to do
@OMGPonies O hai
OMG! Ponies!
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
@OMGPonies you can still answer the questions. Look for stars. (But don't try to answer them too well, I don't need extra competition... ;))
Oh was @GeorgeStocker's question the last? Phew. All of five quarters of an hour I took.
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
@BoltClock good work. Improper fraction though, tisk tisk
@JustinjjnguyNelson Oh, fine, 1¼
Zhao Rocky
hi every1
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
(We should move to the tavern to chat.)
Zhao Rocky
I like it
@KevinVermeer I wouldn't take it upon myself to edit every low quality post that gets flagged, you simply don't have the time in the day to do that. Also there are 1000's of users who already have the capability and should be actively doing that sort of thing. If it is salvageable but has accumulated enough flags with no-one fixing it then I would look to edit it - but only if it is worth saving.
OMG Ponies
I see the starred questions, but haven't figured out how or if I'm supposed to reference these somehow
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
@OMGPonies you need to directly reply to them
@OMGPonies there is a relpy button on the far right nof the post
@OMG, click the bent arrow that shows when you mouse over the right hand end of the question
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
@OMGPonies or in the menu that appreas when you click on the arro on the post you want to reply to
OMG Ponies
The menu only provides flag & star :(
@OMGPonies In the chat window, you can hover over the message and the right reply arrow will appear. In the transcript, copy the link and paste it. Then remove everything before the
and replace it with a
. Then type your reply after that
Don't you have enough rep to chat....??!?
OMG Ponies
I think it's the lacking rep to chat
@OMGPonies Just type the name and hit tab?
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
@OMGPonies you have almost 90k rep, that's plenty.
@Pubby no, don't do that.
Erick Robertson
less being confused and more answering questions
OMG Ponies
I'm all hooves
@Pubby No, it needs to be an acutal reply, so they can see which question he's responding to
OMG Ponies
Hovering over doesn't appear to do anything in firefox :/
Rebecca Chernoff
@OMGPonies look to the right of the down arrow, see the bent arrow that appears on hover?
Erick Robertson
I'm in firefox, am not up for moderator, yet somehow know what's going on.
OMG Ponies
I only get a down arrow
@OMGPonies In the transcript, or in the chat window?
Erick Robertson
@OMGPonies Is this your first time in chat?
Michael Mrozek
OMG Ponies
@Erick: Yes
Erick Robertson
@OMGPonies It's a fair cop. Welcome!
Rebecca Chernoff
@MichaelMrozek he's probably looking at the star menu in the sidebar though q:
OMG Ponies
@Michael: I don't have the reply option
Michael Mrozek
@RebeccaChernoff Oh, oops. Well, it looks the same. Not sure what's wrong
Erick Robertson
In Ponies defense, I also do not have a reply option. Is there a time limit?
OMG Ponies
Rebecca Chernoff
@MichaelMrozek not from the sidebar, no reply in the dropdown, it's just next to the arrow before you click
Tim Stone
Rebecca Chernoff
Tim Stone
(and by may, I mean absolutely is) be a userscript feature.
Erick Robertson
@RebeccaChernoff I think that link is only there for a certain amount of time
Rebecca Chernoff
@JustinjjnguyNelson Just caught this, so sorry for the late question, but what do you believe the better site is for these types of questions?
Erick Robertson
Okay, so I won't be voting for Rebecca.
@ErickRobertson It's always there
Michael Mrozek
@TimStone :D Nice
the difference is that in the transcript, or in the star menu on the right it's never there
Rebecca Chernoff
@ErickRobertson good call.
Erick Robertson
@ircmaxell So if I scroll back in the chat I can still get it?
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
@MarkTrapp I was actually asked that by Robert Harvey a bit farther down.
@MarkTrapp "well that question probably doesn't belong on programmers, but some questions should and can be moved to programmers. Others should just be closed."
@ErickRobertson Yup
Erick Robertson
@ircmaxell I don't have those questions in my history - can't scroll back that far. I can only get it from the star list on the right or the transcript link in the star list on the ri ght.
@ircmaxell So what's a pony to do who just showed up?
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
@MarkTrapp So, lots belong on programmers, lots don't. The mod needs to know which questions fall into what categories.
@ErickRobertson Scroll to the top of the page, and click "Load Older Messages" at the top o fthe page
Rebecca Chernoff
@ErickRobertson just keep clicking "load older messages"
Erick Robertson
@ircmaxell Wow, that's a pain in the ass.
@JustinjjnguyNelson I refer you to
this question
regarding that
no argument. But it works fairly well in normal usage
Erick Robertson
@ircmaxell Considering most quotes occur quickly, yes. That doesn't help poor late ponies.
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
@MarkTrapp I am well aware of that problem that exists. People on SO don't know well enough which questions belong on Programmers and which ones don't.
@MarkTrapp As a mod, it so their job to know the difference and migrate accordingly.
@ErickRobertson Unfortunately, no it does not. Then again, this format isn't really all that conducive to this kind of discussion. Not sure how it could be done better, but still...
Erick Robertson
@ircmaxell What role do you think that humor plays in moderation?
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
@MarkTrapp Some questions don't fit on the SE network at all. That is why there is a close option for simply 'Off-Topic.'
@MarkTrapp does that make sense? Or, does that answer your question?
@ErickRobertson I think some. But not a lot. We have a
non-native-english speaking userbase. So what may seem like humor to us may quickly offend others. So while in limited usages it's fine (and in chat, or light conversation), in general I don't think it should be significant...
@JustinjjnguyNelson, just curious as you are talking about it, how often does a mod directly intervene to migrate a question? Wouldn't the community do that most of the time?
Erick Robertson
@ircmaxell does the irc in your nick refer to Internet Relay Chat? If so, what is your history with IRC?
@JustinjjnguyNelson Well, my main question about the issue
was this one
: has been hard to follow the chat, so I'm not sure if you directly answered that one. I do agree mods should know better than to migrate massively upvoted questions just for the sake of preserving them
@RebeccaChernoff: should some limited Q&A still happen here? Or should that wait until tomorrow's chat?
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
@slugster if a moderator sees a question and knows it should be migrated or closed there is no reason they shouldn't act on it.
OMG Ponies
@RobertHarvey I'm chatty, but I deliberate depending on the subject. I've experienced repercussions where some are indignant about how things happened so it's changed my habits a little.
@ErickRobertson Well, yes, but there's a very long story behind it. And my history? I was very active about 10 years ago (when I started this sn), fell off for a while, and then started again a few years ago. Not that much activity now...
Erick Robertson
@ircmaxell I appreciate you taking the time to answer.
Absolutely. I'm for the most part an open book... I have no problem talking about most things
Erick Robertson
My guess is that there will be users during the day tomorrow who review this transcript and probably won't stop reading until most of the candidates have left.
@ErickRobertson Fair. I have no problem continuing, but just want to be fair to everyone else. But if others don't see it as a problem, I don't have one
@JustinjjnguyNelson yep, got that bit... i was thinking more that there will always be that problem between SO and ProgSE, has there been much action where a mod has had to prevent a question being migrated, or do the questions just bounce there and bounce back?
Erick Robertson
@ircmaxell It's a public chat room, no? :)
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
@MarkTrapp I see. Personally I'm not as up to speed on what is exactly allowed on Programmers. I do know that list questions are a no-no. But, I definitely think that SO mods need to take the time to learn about related sites that SO questions have a potential to migrate to.
Fair enough
OMG Ponies
@SamSaffron I've experienced harassment for "non-binding" close votes, went so far as to request that names not be posted on Meta because of the serial downvoting I experienced. I don't see any difference, personally.
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson
@slugster The bouncing question phenomenon has been a problem in the past. Moderators need to learn which questions belong where before jumping to migrate. They need to learn the rules of their sister sites.
Erick Robertson
@OMGPonies I thought there was a script to remove that kind of downvoting?
@ErickRobertson That doesn't quite undo the drama though.
OMG Ponies
@Shog9 I'm all for constructive criticism. "Constructive" being the operative word... :)
@ErickRobertson: There is stuff to correct, but it's not instaneous
@ErickRobertson: The other problem with discussing the safeguards was that people who read Meta, knew how to circumvent it (last time I read about it)
@GeorgeStocker What high rep represents to me is time served in the community. A 3 yr old account with less than 5K rep isn't likely to know their way around SO/etc. Besides knowledge, there is a degree of interacting with people - responding to comments because another, near identical question isn't necessary. Some already can interact with others respectfully, but I honestly find these people rare.
@random I think things like that are great to establish the community, but shouldn't be encouraged all the time.
@RobertHarvey I think the advice I would seek would be primarily about keeping current with practices. I haven't frequented Meta that much, and always found it daunting/tedious to dredge up stuff vs participate on SO. Being on the Wet Coast, I wonder if timezone has something to do with missing pertinent issues...
Robert Harvey
@OMGPonies There was a period of time where there were still open questions about certain core site issues. I think that has subsided. I get chided sometimes for not being completely up to speed on some things (i.e.
"Where were you when we discussed this in the Teacher's Lounge 2 days ago, hm?"
), but that seems to have subsided for the most part.
OMG Ponies
@MichaelMrozek I'd first review why the user was flagged. If valid, I'd make an effort to discuss the issue. If it really became an issue, maybe the user needs a "timeout"...
@RobertHarvey: Should I become Mod, I'll hold you to that =)
@Pubby Respectfully say what I have to say, and take things from there.
Someone else chat, eh? I can't be that captivating...
You are
I'm waiting for you to say something I disagree with or want expansion on. So far, nothing yet
OMG Ponies
@Shog9 I really wish the off-topic option supported more sites. I like the idea that moving questions to places better suited is a benefit to both sites - alleviates the signal-to-noise ratio on SO, and increases traffic to the other sites.
@ircmaxell: So, you'd like to have an argument?
No, more of a discussion on viewpoints. If you posted anything I disagree with... Which hasn't happened yet, so no problem
OMG Ponies
@GeorgeStocker I'm glad to see the turnout for the moderator spots, and SO stands to benefit from variety. Even if not a mod, there's still the ability to participate in manner by editing tags, content, etc. That's what I'll resume doing if I'm not elected to Mod status.
@ircmaxell: Sorry, I was trying to work in a classic Monty Python sketch :)
OMG Ponies
@MichaelPetrotta I currently vote to delete such cases. The worst I've seen is about the "homework" aspect - if I have seen the others, it's been extremely rare. If it's not constructive (IE: Ad Hominem, targetting ESL, generally belligerent), I'll censor. If the behavior continues, I'll discuss the user(s) to see if a time-out is necessary.
@jrg I feel Dev Tools questions are more a part of SO than configuration for *nix/webserver/router/firewall/etc
@JNK Brass tacks, time on Meta is not time on SO. I hear that Meta isn't dealing with as much SO restructuring as I once knew, so I'd say Meta would get 10% of my StackExchange time. With four new mods, it's not likely to be an issue, assuming coverage is good (IE: weekends).
@SamSaffron The inability to participate in a forum/discussion is both the strength & weakness of the StackExchange setup. It really minimizes the signal-to-noise ratio, but sacrifices the questions & interactions that come from being able to discuss an issue. Chat, besides being a separate (and somewhat buried) entity, doesn't provide exactly the same format as UBB/etc forums. The double edged nature doesn't leave options for fixing, just acknowledging.
@MichaelMrozek I'm currently answering less than 5 questions, but if I've got the browser open I'm scanning SO for tag clarifications, edits, reviewing, etc. Less answering from me, I don't want the diamond to influence votes so I'll comment
Michael Mrozek
@OMGPonies In case you're unaware, mods can migrate anywhere; that's why he was asking
OMG Ponies
@MichaelMrozek: thx, did not know
Michael Myers
Is all the fun over for the night?
I'm only here so that tomorrow half of the people who want to reply to @MichaelMrozek will accidentally ping me with an @Michael.
Michael Mrozek
@MichaelMyers People did quite well with replies
I'll try to discourage that tomorrow
Michael Myers
Your optimism is both uncharacteristic and probably unfounded.
OMG Ponies
Did you guys get a group rate?
Michael Mrozek
It's more like he realized how popular I am and decided to change his name so some of my fans would talk to him by mistake
Rebecca Chernoff
The SO Tavern (Free Snacks)
Room 5 was frozen for inactivity even though it was once an ac...
Michael Mrozek
@RebeccaChernoff It's so far away :(
Rebecca Chernoff
Michael Myers
I promise to be on topic in the future. Cross my heart and hope to become mildly ill.
Rebecca Chernoff
@MichaelMyers there were a few questions for existing mods, you could answer those (:
10 hours later…
@Michael How u doing? I missed last nights meeting :-(
Anna Lear
@slugster SO mods occasionally help us (Programmers mods) prevent bad migrations, but we get so many that it's impossible for us to review all of them before they are done. It's a tricky thing to balance while Programmers still has the "stuff that's off-topic on SO" reputation".
Michael Mrozek
@Neal There's another in a few hours if you want to go to that
Tim Post
Honestly, the migration path to Programmers SE was put in place too quickly (IMHO), as they were still working out what should be considered constructive and on topic.
Michael Mrozek
@TimPost It we waited for them to nail that down there'd still be no path
Checks what time it is, and notices there are still two hours to wait.
@RMartinhoFernandes: Hey bot
R. Martinho Fernandes
Oh, hey.
@RMartinhoFernandes: I drifted here from the election thread
And now I am very much interested in asking one specific Q.
R. Martinho Fernandes
Oh. Gotta go buy some gas for cooking. I'll be back.
Adam Robinson
@Als Out of curiosity, what's your question?
What do you think would be your course of action on serial Downvoting complaints/flags?
a. Discard them as something that cannot be helped with(Few Mods have stuck to this action).
b. Actively pursue the root cause & try to help(Atleast one Mod demonstrated this action)
@AdamRobinson: That one.
Adam Robinson
Gotcha. Well, since I'm not certain if I'm going to be available for the next chat in a couple of hours, I'll go ahead and answer.
@Als Honestly, I think that serial downvoting boils down to someone having a temper tantrum. If it's possible to deal with it
, then I'd probably do that. If not, then following the ordinary course of consequences (reversal, warning, suspension, etc.) would be what I'd do.
@AdamRobinson: That brings up another one, Jeff claims moderators can act on such flags while certain mods have said they cannot do anything about it, So what? who? how? And will you push for reforms on this?
Octavian Damiean
@OctavianDamiean: Hello, I remember you from when I posted once in Android :)
Adam Robinson
@Als I can't really speak to that, as I'm not currently a moderator. I don't, however, see any reason why any diamond mod shouldn't be able to act on such (or, really,
) flags, so if that's the case then I suppose I'd try to determine why and go from there.
Octavian Damiean
I hope only nice memories. :D
Michael Myers
@Als If there is evidence, moderators can act on them. Most of the time, there is not.
@OctavianDamiean: Yes it was some self answered Q i remember. So nice memories, Yes.
We got a chat here in an hour and a half, right?
Octavian Damiean
Michael Myers
Since moderators can't see individual votes, finding the source of one or two downvotes is highly unlikely. Finding a long string is much easier and likely to result in a suspension.
@MichaelMyers: Theres ambiguity then.
Buggerall. Scheduled for a meeting elsewhere.
Michael Myers
@Als There's some intentional ambiguity. We don't want to publicize exactly
we can see, or else people can and will abuse it.
Paŭlo Ebermann
@Will If you have any question you want to ask to the candidates, post them now, and we'll make the candidates answer them.
@MichaelMyers: Assume, someone flags saying an answer is part of serial downvoting and the person says theres a pattern which can be seen in history ofcourse
Tim Post
@Als, umm, we did nab the stalker in question ;) It just took a little while.
@TimPost: Yes We did. You were the option B ofcourse
But there were 2 mods that fell under option A.
Tim Post
I always wanted to B a B.
@TimPost: Just checking if We have A's :)
@PaŭloEbermann I don't have questions; I have a couple warnings I wanted to pass on.
Octavian Damiean
I'd definitely go for C just to be different.
@OctavianDamiean What? No, C is not for different. D is.
Michael Myers
C for complete, D for done
Paŭlo Ebermann
@Will I think we can do this, too, there is this quote mechanism in chat. (Or task some other mod to do this.)
Michael Myers
@Will "Run before it's too late"?
Octavian Damiean
Difference between complete and done? :D
Another Q:
What are your thoughts about moderation in the chat? Should they be moderated at all?
Nah, just some simple advice kind of things.
Octavian Damiean
I guess it probably can wait until after the election
Probably better idea, yeah.
Octavian Damiean
Trolls, spammers and the like should be (and are) dealt with.
@OctavianDamiean: Depends on?
Q: Will you use your new knowledge to game the system and give me mega upvotes without triggering the vote fraud detection algorithms?
Q: Will you berate people who post OT on Meta? And, if so, can you give us an example of the withering scorn you will lay upon them?
@Will: Since you are an mod, Your first Q implies Mods can do that, True?
Q: What new memes do you propose to bring to Meta?
Tim Post
I hope eating kittens in the line of duty doesn't come next.
Octavian Damiean
@Will I'd let my unicorn pierce 'em!
@Als Absolutely not! Yes we do, all the time. We have been gaming Skeet's rep forever.
@Will: if not then why the Q?
Jon Skeet actually doesn't know a damn thing. We just like to boost his ego.
Its an in-joke.
Octavian Damiean
Tim Post
@Als No, we don't know how any of the back end algorithms work. Once in a while we see people complaining of a ban on meta, we can look at their history, but we're still just guessing. It's secret sauce.
@TimPost: The secret sauce is really secret
Tim Post
As we can see flags and deleted posts in a user's history, we can probably make a 'more educated' guess than high rep users that aren't moderators, but it's still just a guess.
Q: Will you please remove tags from titles, it kills me a little bit every time I have to do it.
Tim Post
To that I say ..
Q: What's your shoe size?
(save that one for the end of the chat, its apparently a conversation killer)
Tim Post
@Will has invented a way to kick people over TCP/IP, presumably he wants moderators with big feet.
Will you ban me for saying fuck in chat like 100 times everyday? :)
brb banning @als
Q: Will you help me perfect my Punch You Through the Innertubesatron?
(I work on it for about ten minutes, but then I lose interest and take a nap)
(also save that question for the end of the chat; guaranteed to clear out the room)
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Above and below are five American Apparel ad campaigns that ran for less than $1,500 each. Designed to get attention and create controversy, they were covered in AdWeek, The Hollywood Reporter, Daily Mail, NBC, Gawker, and dozens of other outlets and blogs.
Despite this minuscule budget, they did millions of earned media impressions all over the world. People are still talking about them today. Click on each for more context (or, in one case, an uncensored Sasha Grey).
The real question this raises is: how do you craft an message, ad, or story that people talk about years from now?
We'll aim to answer that in this post…
Ryan Holiday is the author of this guest post, which is a step-by-step guide to getting PR for free.
Ryan develops media strategies for clients like American Apparel CEO Dov Charney and Tucker Max. He dropped out of college at 19 to apprentice under Robert Greene, author of The 48 Laws of Power, after which he started advising bestselling authors and multiplatinum musicians on launch optimization. He is currently the director of marketing at American Apparel, where his campaigns are internationally known.
Note: This is a post on the process of getting media (much like this one), which can be used for anything from environmental non-profits to military propaganda. The principles in this post are used by Charity Water to incredible effect, for instance. Like a knife, media can be used for saving lives (i.e. surgery), taking them, and lots in between. How the knowledge is used is up to the user.
This post is not intended to be a cultural discussion of American Apparel… so please relax.
Enter Ryan
The internet is lying to you. It told you that making a good product, writing a great book, or starting a cool company was enough. They said that if you built it, people would come.
I'm here to tell you that this just isn't true. I've worked with too many artists, entrepreneurs and authors—whose crushingly rude awakening came on launch day—to say otherwise. Great books won't sell a million copies by accident, start ups don't see hockey stick growth by chance, big ideas rarely become a sensation at random.
Doing "good stuff" isn't enough in an attention economy. Getting people to care about what you've done is an exhausting and bitter fight for the world's most precious resource: people's time. To capture it, you must be a skilled and fluid marketer who can create or spot opportunities to leverage. As part of that, you must create the conversations you want people to have about your brand. If you want to be sure you're in the news, you create the news.
I call myself a "media manipulator," and there are good reasons why.
"But that sounds bad…"
I use the term manipulate like a skilled massage therapist might "manipulate" soft tissue. I don't mean hurting, robbing, or stealing.
In helping #1 bestselling authors and billion-dollar brands, my job is to get people as much attention as possible, as expediently as possible. For the last five years, I have immersed myself in the history of media, learned its patterns, stress-tested its rules, and optimized use of new tech tools. What I discovered will hopefully help you replicate my successes.
You have to play the same game that the media pros play everyday. In other words, you have to beat the pros at their own game. The question is: how?
"We play by their rules long enough and it becomes our game."
-Orson Scott Card, Ender's Game
How News Has Changed
The news has fundamentally changed. Think of the New York Times. When they decide to publish an article about you, they are doing you a huge favor. After all, there are so many other people they could write about. There is a finite number of spots in the paper. Blogs are different, as they can publish an infinite number of articles and every article they publish is a chance for more traffic (which means more money in their pockets). In other words, when Business Insider writes about you, you are doing them the favor.
And what are you reading right now? That's right, a blog. Blogs drive our media cycle. TV and radio reporters once filled their broadcasts with newspaper headlines. Today they repeat what they read on blogs—certain blogs more than others. I'm talking about sites like: Gawker, Business Insider, Politico, BuzzFeed, Huffington Post, Drudge Report. You may not read all these sites, but the media elite does and is influenced by them.
Getting press on those outlets is no longer a buyer's market. It's a seller's market. And there are a lot of blogs out there willing to buy your story. That means your product, your book, or your start-up has more than a fighting chance of getting press. If you properly utilize the below three tactics for generating attention, you can create a million dollar press campaign… that costs you nothing.
Here's how…
3 Tactics for Free PR
Tactic# 1: Start Small
You want press tomorrow? Sign up for HelpAReporterOut.com 1 (a service that matches reporters "researching" stories with sources) and you'll have it. You won't be the sole subject of a story, but you'll be in a story and that's a start. Just for fun, I had an assistant set up an account for me earlier this year and gave him permission to answer every query he could, as me, saying whatever he wanted. The more preposterous the better, I told him. Within days, I had been featured in Reuters, ABC News, the Today Show and eventually, a Sunday feature in the New York Times. If I could be that wildly successful for a prank, what could you get if your livelihood or job depends on it?
Legitimate coverage can also be secured by going even smaller. Small blogs and hyperlocal websites that cover your neighborhood or particular scene are some of the easiest sites to get traction on. Started a company? Snag an article in the newspaper where you went to college. Writing a book? Get the blog that covers your neighborhood to do a post on you. Since they typically write about local, personal issues pertaining to a contained readership, trust is very high. At the same time, they are cash strapped and traffic-hungry, always on the lookout for a "big story" that might bring a big spike of new viewers.
Starting small is your beachhead into the news cycle. Blogs have enormous influence over other blogs—making it possible to turn a post on a small site into posts on large-traffic sites, as the bigger often "scout" the smaller sites. Blogs compete to get to stories first, newspapers compete to "popularize" it, and then everyone else competes to talk about it.
This isn't speculation. It is fact. In a media monitoring study done by Cision and George Washington University, 89% of journalists reported using blogs for their research for stories. Roughly half reported using Twitter to find and research stories and more than two thirds use other social networks like Facebook or LinkedIn in the same way. Start there, legitimize coverage of your business and then you have a chance to reach a larger audience. I call this "trading up the chain." Work it to your advantage.
How do you find these blogs? You're already reading them! (That is, if you're doing your job and know the influencers in your space). If you're not, here's a short cut: check Reddit, Gawker, TechCrunch, Huffpo and the other big guns and see what names show up regularly, what smaller sites they link to. These are the feeders you want to start with)
Tactic #2: Always Appeal to Self-Interest
Bloggers have traffic goals, and they often have posting quotas (sometimes as many as a dozen a day). They are overwhelmed and busy. Handing a blogger an interesting story lead about your business is like handing a thirsty man on a desert island a cool glass of water. Sure, he was surrounded by water—just like a blogger is surrounded by an infinite amount of stories—but this is one he can actually drink.
Think about it from their perspective. To ask them to "cover your company" is to ask them to do a whole bunch of work. They'd have to research you, come up with an angle, craft a headline, make a graphic or photos and then hope the story does well.
Self-interest gets you further, faster. Make your pitch specific and exciting: "Would you like the exclusive story on how my company went from $0 to $1M in revenue without spending a dime on advertising?" Or "How we got 30,000 members in 3 days?" Your company has such angles, but don't leave it to a blogger to suss them out. Instead: Craft the narrative yourself, gather evidence, and present it nicely wrapped with a bow on top. If you do the work for them, they'll be much more likely to run your plug-and-play story.
An example:
Last year, I got tired of a speed trap camera near my house and decided to do something about it. Now, I could have gone to a public hearing, voiced my objections to these cameras, and hoped that someone in the media might report on it. But that would have left too much up to chance. Instead, I emailed a reporter at the Times-Picayune—the struggling but influential daily newspaper in New Orleans—who I knew covered this beat before. I explained to him that I was a new resident to the city who had gotten dozens of unfair tickets (including 3 on one day). I emphasized what an undue financial burden such tickets had been on my girlfriend when she had gotten some herself and how she'd been reduced to tears by a rude city employee when she protested. I sent in a picture of a busted sign near the camera. I played the victim, saying that I felt shaken down, as if a bully had taken my lunch money.
Now these things are true, but still, I deliberately framed them in the most sympathetic way. The result: a week later, a front page story in the Times-Picayune, featuring the picture I'd taken and my bully quote in huge block letters, which spurred hundreds of comments and a ton of other coverage. A month later, the city announced it was changing course on the policy and the state legislature is now debating a bill to ban the cameras.
This is how easy it is to get coverage. Do your research, find your target and give them what they need. I provided the raw materials for the story and gave the editor what he needed to do his job. I created the narrative, which others have now continued to run with. They are doing what I want, because it's in their interest to do so.
Think about this when you seek out coverage: what kind of reaction will it elicit from the reader and the reporter? What is your angle? Will this generate Facebook likes and Twitter shares? Would you share it with your busiest friends? If not, then you don't have a good story.
You're wasting your time, and you're asking for a favor…and bloggers don't do favors.
Tactic #3: Feed the Monster
I often use the metaphor of a monster for the blogosphere. It is a hungry beast, and to keep it on your side, you must feed it it constantly. And you must know what it likes to eat.
A recent study of over 7,000 articles on the "Most Popular" list for the New York Times Magazine found that the secret to popularity was how much emotion an article generated in the reader. In fact, the number one predictor in virality was how angry an article made the viewer. There are, in fact, many viral emotions: humor, anger, fear, joy, awe, primal attraction, etc.. The one thing they all have in common: passion/extremeness. These are called "high-valence" emotions.
I think about this when I design advertisements for American Apparel. For instance, look at these ads of Sasha Grey (NSFW). She doesn't even have any product on (well, except socks)! But they provoke sharing, and were ultimately seen by many many more people than a tame ad would have been. The internet is a hungry beast that needs material: FB and Twitter don't feed themselves. Armed with data that shows a direct correlation between chatter about products and sales spikes, I used emotion-provoking advertising to grow American Apparel's online sales from $40 million to $60+ million per year.
I've done the same thing for clients like Tucker Max, (and had a lot of fun along the way), pulling off stunts like paying celebrities to tweet offensive things and trying to name a Planned Parenthood clinic after him. In a way, this is what Tim did when he put a chapter in his last book about orgasms—yes, it was interesting and helpful to readers, but it was also a fabulous angle for everyone on the internet to go berserk about.
Uber is another great example, coming up with stunts slightly less outrageous but that are like catnip to the news hungry tech blogs (see: Free Roses on Valentines Day and Edward Norton goes surfing)
Do interesting and crazy things. It's what the cycle desperately needs. People need things to talk about and… you can be that thing! Of course, we all have different levels of tolerance for controversy, but knowing your comfort zone doesn't mean you should never test the boundaries. I do it all the time.
That said, you're taking a risk by feeding the monster, and it sometimes (always eventually) bites the hand that feeds it.
If the monster does bite you, or if the shit hits the fan, remember:
*Forget winning a pissing match. (Remember the quote: "When you fight with a pig you both get dirty-but the pig likes it.")
*Don't throw fuel on the fire. Sometimes it is best to ignore. The cycle moves fast and everyone will forget soon
*Fight a negative story by releasing a more exciting positive story (someone writes a critical piece on you, publish a great blog post about something else that will get more attention)
*Be the one who writes history: control the language on Wikipedia after the controversy dies down, know your Top 10 Google results and use SEO intelligently (look at services like Reputation.com or Metal Rabbit), etc.
Cliff Notes: How to Get Attention in an Attention Economy
Tactic #1: Start Small (Pick your target)
-Look for a site that is small but influences other media, especially your target media.
-Identify past stories they have written on your "beat" (subject area or industry).
-Establish your credibility first via HARO and other media.
Tactic #2: Always Appeal to Self-Interest (Approach your target)
-Pick an angle that fits for the target.
-Send them an email that does ALL the work for them.
-Make it clear that there is traffic in it for them. If you'll help drive it, indicate how.
Hypothetical email:
To: email@example.com
From: email@example.com
Subject: Quick question
Hey [name],
I wanted to shoot you a note because I loved your post on [similar topic that did a lot of traffic]. I was going to give the following to our publicist, but I thought I would go to you with the exclusive because I read and really enjoy your stuff. My [e.g. "company built a userbase of 25,000 paying customers in two months without advertising" or "fashion label has new campaign with beautiful naked models" or "book blows the lid of an enormous XYZ scandal"] and [indicate how in 10 words or less]. And I did it completely off the radar. This means you would be the first to have it. I can write up any details you'd need to make it great. Do you think this might be a good fit?
If so, should I draft up something around [their average] words and send it to you, or do you prefer a different process? If not, I totally understand, and thanks for reading this much.
All the best,
[Your Name]
Tactic #3 Feed the Monster (Trade Up The Chain)
-Now that you have a story. Blow it up. Make SURE it is on everyone's radar.
-Submit it to social media sites, submit it as a tip to other news sites, drive tons of traffic to it.
-Email other blogs and offer to do an interview and get follow-up stories.
-Once you start, you can't stop. Tomorrow, come up with a new story and start again.
To finish up, let me reiterate: If you just build it, they will NOT come… automatically.
BUT, if you come to the media with something good, something that appeals to the monsters needs and feeds it? Well, then you have something explosive on your hands—you can reap the rewards of millions of eyeballs pointed directly at the product you worked so hard to develop. You deserve that.
Baking shareable, spreadable messages into your product is the ultimate growth hack. As MIT's Henry Jenkins puts it: on the web, "if it doesn't spread, it's dead." The mechanisms for spreading and popularizing content on the internet are there. Content producers are going to cover someone.
So, make sure that someone is you.
Good luck!
Afterword by Tim:
Ryan Holiday is better at media strategy than anyone I know. His new (and first) book, Trust Me, I'm Lying: Confessions of a Media Manipulator, launches tomorrow (July 19th) and is already shipping.
Robert Greene, author of The 48 Laws of Power, calls it "a playbook for the dark arts of exploiting the media." If asked about Ryan's talent, I have stated simply before: "Ryan is part Machiavelli, part Ogilvy, and all results. From American Apparel to the quiet campaigns he's run but not taken credit for, this whiz kid is the secret weapon you've never heard of."
As AppSumo bundle: Get the book, plus four case studies and extra bonuses.
And one more point, as a few people have been very offended by the American Apparel ads. Here's the deal: I love helping women who want to change the world, and in the same token, I'm not going to stop women who want to use sex appeal to make a living, make art, or sell clothing. In both cases, it's their prerogative. I have zero problem with consenting adults sexually doing whatever they want with each other or for each other, including sexually provocative advertising. I have a live-and-let-live policy whenever possible. After all:
"A thick skin is a gift from God."
– Konrad Adenauer
Plenty more discussion in the comments…
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Implant dentistry is a safe, predictable method for replacing missing teeth. "Immediate dental implants" or the placement of tooth implants at the time of extraction is a great method of implant placement. This method can be considered when a single upper front tooth is traumatized, when one or two teeth have advanced decay, or when the remaining roots are too short to support a crown. The purpose of this method of tooth replacement is to maintain as much bone volume as possible. This means preserving bone height and width. The benefits to the patient after restoration of dental implants are a beautiful, natural-looking tooth without cutting down healthy adjacent teeth and being able to eat in comfort without the fear of having the tooth loosen or fall out.
An implant dentist can easily determine if a person is a candidate for the immediate dental implants method of replacing missing teeth. They will examine the teeth adjacent to the involved tooth for periodontal disease and take a traditional dental X-ray. Impressions of the teeth will aid in determining one's prognosis. Additional X-rays may be necessary to determine the exact bone width and height, as well as the root position.
Implant placement is performed with local anesthesia. The remaining root is removed and the gum tissue is gently displaced from the surrounding tissue. The dental implant site is prepared with small drills. Special equipment is used to gently place the tooth implant into the prepared site, after which the gums are replaced over the implant with sutures. A temporary tooth replacement is placed in the space where the tooth was removed. Post-operative discomfort is minimal. The sutures are removed in a week, and oral hygiene is resumed.
In the upper jaw, bone grows and adheres to the tooth implant within five to six months, while the immediate dental implants in the lower jaw require three to four months for proper bone formation. After healing, there is a series of visits when an implant dentist will make a tooth that will be attached to the implant. Within a few weeks after receiving the implant-supported crown, patients consider the restoration as their own tooth, rather than an implant.
Implants require good oral hygiene, dental maintenance, and periodic evaluation by a dentist. For further information regarding placement of tooth implants at the time of extraction, look in PubMed, searching the following key words: placement of implants at time of extraction, dental implants, immediate implants.
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