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by Mike Masnick
Wed, Dec 9th 2009 7:22pm
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bait and switch, iphone, unlimited
There's lots of buzz going around concerning the news that an AT&T exec has admitted that to deal with the companies own inability to build out a strong cellular network (angering tons of iPhone users), that it's planning to put in place caps and charge more to high-end users. Of course, this is pure bait and switch. The company sold people on an unlimited data plan, failed to invest in its network, and pushed high bandwidth apps on people. And, of course, it's worth noting that while they now want to charge high bandwidth users more, they don't say anything about the low bandwidth users. No one gets a discount. AT&T is making a ton of money off of the iPhone. It could have -- and should have -- invested more of that into network upgrades. Now it's blaming its most loyal users -- the same ones who it recommended high bandwidth apps to -- and expecting that everyone will be happy with that? AT&T may discover that people start looking for other alternatives if they dump the unlimited data offering that they sold people.
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ChurchHatesTucker (profile), 9 Dec 2009 @ 7:34pm
Frakin' frakers!Thank the Lords of Kobol that I haven't re-upped yet. They pull this shit, I'm out.
Re: Frakin' frakers!Unfortunately I still have a year left on my contract. But once that is up I am out and going to get an Android phone. I have had it with the dropped calls and the difficultly making calls (from time to time).
If they do this to me (and I am definitely a heavy user, streaming Pandora all day) I won't pay it and I will switch carriers in a heartbeat.
hegemon13, 10 Dec 2009 @ 7:45am
Re: Re: Frakin' frakers!I would think that if ATT no longer offers the service they contracted you for, you can get out free of charge. That's the thing about contracts...they're binding in both directions.
Derek Reed (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 4:10pm
Re: Re: Re: Frakin' frakers!Did you sign a contract that says "AT&T will provide me with plan X that includes unlimited" or a contract that says "AT&T will provide me with 'service'"?
I'm going to rip at least a few managers a new one if they do it of course, and I'm sure I'm not the *only* one. Not sure what the actual terms of my agreement was though.
Johnny, 9 Dec 2009 @ 7:39pmyet Vevo.com is laced with AT&T ads pushing their mobile VIDEO capabilities. Identity crisis much?
wnyght, 9 Dec 2009 @ 7:40pmwould you like lube with that service plan?
Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 6:50am
Re:lube? add $19.99 to the contract!
Jesse, 9 Dec 2009 @ 7:46pmSeems if they try to change the terms of the contract before it's up, then that means the customer gets a free iPhone. Sounds good to me.
ScaredOfTheMan, 9 Dec 2009 @ 7:52pm
I dare themSeriously, I've 2 iphones, and I tolerated their crappy service, and the pay back is going to be this?!
Droid is here ATT, I have no problems moving, so go'ahead do it, see what happens.
Griffon, 9 Dec 2009 @ 7:54pmwow material change of contract, sounds like I get to fire their asses and take my iphone somewhere cheaper... oh wait shoot.
Hephaestus (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 6:27am
Re:"material change of contract"
They probably have a "the terms of service can be changed by us at anytime, for any reason" in the contract somewhere.
Hephaestus (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 6:31am
Re: Re:
Hephaestus (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 6:34am
Re: Re: Okay they do have a we can change this anytime in the contractCHANGES TO TERMS AND RATES
We may change any terms, conditions, rates, fees, expenses, or charges regarding your service at any time. We will provide you with notice of such changes (other than changes to governmental fees, proportional charges for governmental mandates, roaming rates or administrative charges) either in your monthly bill or separately. You understand and agree that State and Federal Universal Service fees and other governmentally imposed fees, whether or not assessed directly upon you, may be increased based upon the government's or our calculations. IF WE INCREASE THE PRICE OF ANY OF THE SERVICES TO WHICH YOU SUBSCRIBE, BEYOND THE LIMITS SET FORTH IN YOUR RATE PLAN BROCHURE, OR IF WE MATERIALLY DECREASE THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA IN WHICH YOUR AIRTIME RATE APPLIES (OTHER THAN A TEMPORARY DECREASE FOR REPAIRS OR MAINTENANCE), WE WILL DISCLOSE THE CHANGE AT LEAST ONE BILLING CYCLE IN ADVANCE (EITHER THROUGH A NOTICE WITH YOUR BILL, A TEXT MESSAGE TO YOUR DEVICE, OR OTHERWISE), AND YOU MAY TERMINATE THIS AGREEMENT WITHOUT PAYING AN EARLY TERMINATION FEE OR RETURNING OR PAYING FOR ANY PROMOTIONAL ITEMS, PROVIDED YOUR NOTICE OF TERMINATION IS DELIVERED TO US WITHIN THIRTY (30) DAYS AFTER THE FIRST BILL REFLECTING THE CHANGE. If you lose your eligibility for a particular rate plan, we may change your rate plan to one for which you qualify.
hegemon13, 10 Dec 2009 @ 7:48am
Re: Re: Re: Okay they do have a we can change this anytime in the contractLooks like ATT will be losing a lot of iPhone customers, who now effectively have an iPod Touch.
kirillian (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 7:49am
Re: Re: Re: Okay they do have a we can change this anytime in the contractI recall a lawsuit not too long ago that put the kabash on this kind of wording in a contract - the idea that one side can change the contract indiscriminately without any sort of penalty was kinda shot down...gonna have to go find that now......
nasch (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 9:01am
Re: Re: Re: Re: Okay they do have a we can change this anytime in the contractIt doesn't sound that bad. The contract says 1) they have to notify you of changes and 2) if you don't like the change, you can terminate the contract with no penalty. Having a clause that would require them to pay you a penalty in that case would be great, but obviously not going to happen.
Hephaestus (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 10:37am
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Okay they do have a we can change this anytime in the contractYou can get out of an early termination by contacting them with in the predefined time period. Which is good.
On another note ....
I believe in coincidence I dont trust it .... I feel Verizon had inside information on this. The whole "Theres a Map for that" ad campaign seems to coincidental looking back.
Brooks (profile), 9 Dec 2009 @ 7:55pm
Announcement?Hey, Mike, can you point me to the AT&T announcement that backs up your claims that this will apply to all existing customers and that the lightest users won't play less than they do now?
I hadn't seen anything definitive about the rates or terms, but you apparently have. I'd love to read the details.
ChurchHatesTucker (profile), 9 Dec 2009 @ 8:05pm
Re: Announcement?"Hey, Mike, can you point me to the AT&T announcement that backs up your claims that this will apply to all existing customers and that the lightest users won't play less than they do now?"
There's little in the way of details (yet) but that cuts both ways. They're saying that "incentives" to not actually use the network in the manner that you've paid for will continue, but neither is there any indication that using less of it is going to be a boon for you.
tl;dr Lesser is better.
Brooks (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 8:34am
Re: Re: Announcement?Actually, all there is so far is a guy at a conference saying they're looking at charging for data usage to disincent the heaviest users. You're right that there's no indication that using less will be a boon -- because there's no indication of any specifics whatsoever. You might as well say there's no indication that they won't hold your elderly grandparents hostage and demand your net worth in ransom.
In fact, there's nothing at all about whether this will only apply to new users or whether they're looking at applying it to existing users who signed up with the "unlimited" promise (and who therefore would be free to walk from the contract with their free iPhone, since this would clearly be a "material" change in terms).
Sadly, this seems to be a case of Mike speculating about what the news might be and then having a very strong editorial reaction. It's all good, but he framed his assertions as fact, and after doing a lot of digging, it seems pretty clear they're just his imaginings, based on a couple of sentences from an executive at a conference.
nasch (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 9:04am
Re: Re: Re: Announcement?You might as well say there's no indication that they won't hold your elderly grandparents hostage and demand your net worth in ransom.
Why doesn't AT&T confirm that they are not going to hold your grandparents hostage and demand your net worth in ransom? Just a simple press release is all it would take to quash these rumors... yet all we get is silence.
Burns!, 9 Dec 2009 @ 8:01pmF' AT&T in their collective ear. I hope they screw themselves by putting this plan into action. A material change in the terms of my contract would facilitate an even quicker departure for me. As it stands, I'm still out of there as soon as possible. AT&T is the *worst*!
Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2009 @ 8:05pmNo one expected AT&T to do a good job with iPhone so it's no surprise. I have an LG Dare on Verizon that I've been happy with. Another 6 months or so and I'll upgrade to a Droid phone I think.
Jim, 9 Dec 2009 @ 8:15pm
AT&T the worst?Clearly there are coverage areas (or lack thereof) on which AT&T is screwing the pooch, so people who bought iPhones in those areas (e.g., New York City, San Francisco) are rightfully pissed. But I gotta say that in my area (greater Boston), the coverage is great, I never drop into Edge anymore, it's always 3G, and it's always two to five bars. I've experienced one dropped call in my year of usage, and life is good. The iPhone is simply awesome when you don't have to fret about coverage. Now, as for AT&T changing the terms of service, I don't think they can do that mid-contract, so if you have a two-year agreement, you're good until that's up, I'm sure. Afterwards, who knows? But, let's face it, nothing's free anymore, and if you're a bandwidth hog, you will eventually pay for it. I'm certainly not apologizing for AT&T, but the best way to tell them what you think is through your wallet. Trouble is, I can't imagine a scenario where I want to be without my iPhone, so... As for switching to Droid, I'll reserve judgment for now, but looking at it from a distance, it just doesn't seem to measure up to the iPhone user experience. Still, a real competitor to iPhone is a good thing, so I hope they do well. But, really, those commercials just serve to remind people what the best smartphone is...and it ain't Droid.
Jeff, 9 Dec 2009 @ 8:17pm
I called it.This is why I don't deal with products from Apple.
I am a PC.
McBeese, 9 Dec 2009 @ 8:24pm
Re: I called it.How is this anything to with Apple? You think Apple is behind this?
Yes, you are clearly a PC. Full of logic errors and difficult to understand messages.
DS, 10 Dec 2009 @ 3:50am
Re: Re: I called it.Yes, because Apple has NOTHING to do with the mandated use of AT&T if you want an iPhone.
You must be an Apple, you cannot understand how Apple could ever make a mistake. Ever.
Michael, 10 Dec 2009 @ 5:34pm
Re: Re: Re: I called it.Apple signed a contract with AT&T at which time was the only only provider that would go with Apple and that was sufficient enough to handle the future growth of the iPhone, in Apple's eyes. So they didn't have much of a choice, as Verizon basically laughed in their faces at the very idea that none of the phone's features could be controlled by Verizon.
While Apple makes retardedly frustrating decisions, this was not one that had much involvement by them, I'm certain. In fact, that would be a really poor move on their part as this decision is going to put a serious dent in iPhone sales growth and their app store. Which is probably why there are a lot of rumors flying that Apple and Verizon are going to team up.
How in the hell do these things devolve into Mac vs PC debates? This story briefly mentions the iPhone being the leading cause of data use on AT&T's network, but has everything to do with AT&T's ridiculous policy changes. Can we not get past that phase? They're practically the same thing anymore.
Jon Renaut (profile), 9 Dec 2009 @ 8:39pm
Re: I called it.Though I loathe Apple and everything they do to pretend they still own something they "sold" to you, I'm sure Apple is just as pissed about this as you are.
McBeese, 9 Dec 2009 @ 8:21pmHas there ever been a company that has screwed up as much as at&t in recent memory? Everyone with an iPhone is chomping at the bit to get off of at&t as soon as possible. Doesn't really matter which network, they just want off.
Now this new move looks to be even more customer unfriendly. Damn.
Mechwarrior, 10 Dec 2009 @ 5:59am
Re:Sprint comes to mind.
Robyn M, 9 Dec 2009 @ 8:22pm
AT&T will make you payBupkis to AT&T for making such an error in user projections and then making the customer pay for it. Bupkis to all the customers who bought into this fiasco of greed.
Marcus Carab (profile), 9 Dec 2009 @ 8:25pmWhether some Google seer foresaw this, or it was just dumb luck, this bodes ridiculously well for Android phones (as the link points out) - especially the Droid. Between their awesome Times Square marketing for Voice Search, and now the release of Goggles (and I'm sure they won't be in *too* much of a hurry to bring that to other platforms) they are already snagging customers from the iPhone.
Now if only they would bring the Droid to Canada.
Haha, 9 Dec 2009 @ 9:00pm
AT&TSay goodbye to the ETF
bob, 9 Dec 2009 @ 9:04pm
HummmmCan't you use the Iphooey on another 3G network?
Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2009 @ 9:50pm
Re: HummmmNo, Apple went through a lot to make sure of that. They would rather cut off your dick and feed it to you than allow you to escape their money stealing partnership with AT&T.
Azrael, 10 Dec 2009 @ 1:40am
Re: Hummmm
drewmerc (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 2:04am
Re: Re: Hummmmerm jailbreak not some bullshit $39 sim
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chaotic1, 9 Dec 2009 @ 9:47pm
I wanted an iPhone so bad...I used to try to get all 4 lines I have with Verizon to expire at the same time so I could leave for AT&T. I just renewed again with the HTC Droid Eris. I love it.
Doctor Strange, 9 Dec 2009 @ 10:11pmHow is this a "bait and switch?" AT&T and Apple offered me a two-year contract and a phone with unlimited bandwidth, and I got it. A whole bunch of other people did too. I don't recall anything in the contract I signed that obligated AT&T to provide me unlimited bandwidth at the same terms in perpetuity.
There is no evidence at all that they are going to change the terms of pre-existing contracts. The (scant) evidence is to the contrary:
Longer-term, he said, a pricing scheme based on usage is likely... (emphasis mine)
It's unlikely that they would be able to change this on people with existing contracts, so much so that they probably won't even try. It's likely that they would just stop offering it on new contracts. If they did want to modify existing contracts, they'd probably either exercise the option to terminate early without fees or buy out existing high-bandwidth users.
If you don't like the new contract terms, go get a different phone on a different carrier when your existing contract expires. That's how the market works: AT&T offers you a deal, and you either take it or leave it.
Hey, the pizza guy down the street used to sell me pizzas for $14.95 each and now he wants $18.95. Do I blog an article about how he bait-and-switched me for building up my loyalty and then raising his prices? The nerve of that guy!
Oh Please, 10 Dec 2009 @ 5:18am
Re:"It's unlikely that they would be able to change this on people with existing contracts"
"It's likely that they would just stop offering it on new contracts."
"If they did want to modify existing contracts, they'd probably "
- Seems you do not have any facts, just supposition.
"the pizza guy down the street used to sell me pizzas for $14.95 each and now he wants $18.95."
- Did you sign a multiyear contract with the pizza guy where you both agreed upon a set rate for unlimited pizza ?
Derek Kerton (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 12:28pm
Re: Re:"- Seems you do not have any facts, just supposition."
Yeah, but Dr. Strange is still right. There are very few facts *at all* at this point. Few facts for or against ATT. In fact, Dr. Strange's comment is among the least filled with supposition on this thread.
We don't know if ATT is planning on applying caps to new customers only, or if they are planning on applying that to existing customers.
I would expect them to apply it to new customers, and possibly to customers if they renew their contracts or upgrade their phones.
So everyone should relax until some more facts come down the pipe. Mike wrote the post largely because he is against all bandwidth caps. Perhaps most of you are, too. But don't be pissed about "retroactively applied caps" unless there is some actual indication that this will happen.
Anonymous Coward, 10 Dec 2009 @ 9:51am
Re:To finish the quote from the fine article:
Longer-term, he said, a pricing scheme based on usage is likely, though it will be determined by industry competition and regulatory guidelines.
If/when they do roll out the new limited contracts, it'd be interesting what their competition will say through their ads.
AdamC, 9 Dec 2009 @ 10:26pmGet your perspective right only the heavy users are affected.
John Doe, 10 Dec 2009 @ 4:19am
Re:Yes, if it doesn't affect me, then why worry? Too much of that kind of thinking going on these days. Sooner or later they will come for you to.
Derek Kerton (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 12:40pm
Re: Re:Perspective?
This isn't the SS. It's a cellular carrier. There are *ahem* subtle differences.
The butcher charges me more than the guy ahead of me in line because I bought 2lbs of ground beef, and the guy in front bought 1lb. Oh!! Look out! The butcher is "coming for me". The nerve of charging me more for using more. Look out gays, jews, and blacks...he'll come for you next...um...if you buy more beef. Scary stuff.
In other news: the electric company, gas station, Natural gas utility, subway operator, all "came after me" to pay more for using more. Crazy world.
Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 7:02am
Re:Only the rich will be taxed. 1861
Now who pays income tax in the US? All of us!
MattP, 10 Dec 2009 @ 7:21am
Re: Re:A quick Googling showed that in 2006 41% of US citizens paid zero federal income tax. I'm sure that since then 2/5 of the population hasn't suddenly qualified to pay.
John Doe, 10 Dec 2009 @ 8:07am
Re: Re: Re:You missed the point. The 41% are low income, the middle class shoulder the burden of the tax load. So the rich aren't the ones being taxed, at least not as much as the middle class percentage wise.
Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 10:25am
Re: Re: Re:I guess I should have said "All of us productive members of society!" The first qualifier is that you had income. If you make less than what qualifies to be taxed then you are a dependent. Dependent on your parents or the government.
Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2009 @ 11:36pmAlot of you seem to forget when PrimeCo switched to US Cellular and tried to up the price of their unlimited minutes plan. The second they did that they were sued and had to give all former primeco customers who stayed the primeco price (which was 49.99 per month) instead of the US Cellular price (which was 89.99)
., 10 Dec 2009 @ 12:46am
Bait & switch.First get everybody hooked then switch your terms LoL
Some sleazy people will try to paint shades and talk about degrees off of something but really is just a bait and switch scheme. Legal or not.
rebrad (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 5:22am
I'm HappyMy Droid works great in the middle of nowhere midwest. It does cost me $30 more for the data plan but I'm connected at lightning speed and have more apps than I can go through and I don't even need a computer running a resource sucking program to enjoy them.
AJB, 10 Dec 2009 @ 6:02am
Not AT&TI don't think its AT&T who's making a killing here. In order to get the license for the iPhone, they had to give up something like 30% of there revenue to Apple. If you look at what they paid Apple last year, it was a small fortune. Verizon was criticized at passing up the initial iPhone deal with Apple, but it looks like they were very smart. And, YES, those coverage ads are true, Consumer Reports puts Verizon at the top of every city it surveyed and AT&T at the bottom of most. Their coverage stinks, their customer service is horrible, and their coverage is lame. But they have a cool phone you can no longer use. Oh, and I *LOVE* my Droid... best phone yet!!
Derek Kerton (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 2:05pm
In Praise of Verizon...But Not Too Much, Please"YES, those coverage ads are true."
Correct, but the impact is way exaggerated in the public consciousness, which really just indicates the massive success of Verizon marketing.
You see, in the simplest of terms, Verizon does have the "best" network. But when you get in to the details, it depends region by region, and even house by house. But far more important, for those willing to actually understand, rather than those just interested in parroting the VZW marketing campaign, is that THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEST AND WORST IS TRIVIAL. That's right, basically the carriers are all the same...but most people have bought the VZW marketing message, and interpreted the results to mean VZW is great, and all else sucks.
Don't take my word for it: I mean, I'm just some telecom industry analyst! Here's what J.D. Power said in their most recent survey that put VZW on top:
"The study finds that the differentiation in call quality performance among wireless carriers at the industry level is particularly small in 2009. While call quality performance among carriers still varies at the regional level, the gap between the highest- and lowest-ranked carriers for the overall industry has decreased from 8 PP100 [problems per 100 calls] in the 2008 Vol. 2 study to only 5 PP100 in the 2009 Vol. 1 study.
The Consumer Reports data are similar. Although VZW sits squarely on the top of the quality heap, the reality is that the spread is relatively small. Out of a score of 100, the results are Verizon 75, T-Mobile 70, Sprint 67, AT&T 66 (http://bit.ly/7GveUJ). So Kudos to VZW are definitely in order.
But I can't believe how strongly the average person has over-interpreted the results, and locked on to the message of "Verizon has the best network, AT&T sucks!" People, it's just not that big a difference. In reality, they both could stand to improve.
Now, factor in the sudden, and incredible effects of the iPhone on AT&T's network since launch in 2007. AT&T won't admit to this, but of course AT&T was caught off guard. And of course they owe it to their customers to improve the network to deliver quality service. And a look at their 2008 Annual Report shows they, in fact, ARE responding, having spent $20B on network upgrades in that single year. To act like they are sitting idle and screwing people over is to ignore the facts. Maybe $20B isn't enough, maybe it's adequate, but it sure as heck isn't nothing.
Don't fall for the marketing. VZW has spent an estimated $300M/year on marketing the "best network" message in their ads. Can you remember how long they have marketed the "Best network" angle? Well, Paul Marcarelli, the actor who plays the VZW Test Guy, has been appearing on your TV since 2002! http://bit.ly/zi8gL
Do you really think that you are immune to that kind of repeated, relentless assault of a specific talking point? The VZW campaign has been remarkably successful because it deals with something that really matters (network quality), and it has the advantage of being true. And because money talks. Political campaigns are won and lost on the spending of a few million dollars at the right time to sway hearts and minds. What effect does $300M/year for 7+ years have? Are people being played to over-interpret the difference in network quality? My answer is a definite "yes".
So if cellular networks were a 100 Yard Dash, Verizon would be an legendary winner, taking race after race. However, consumers should be savvy enough to understand that it's a close call every time.
Josef, 10 Dec 2009 @ 6:08am
Not really BSThis isn't really a bait & switch. It's more like a crappy service provider. ATT knew it wasn't ready for prime time in the 3G arena, but that's just how marketing goes. Push the product and service and hope it works. Because it was for iPhones, its not like people really had much choice.
There is more than enough bandwidth. The problem isn't bandwidth hogs and I'm sick of the carriers trying to slip that point in all the time. If there were really a bandwidth shortage then, how do the wireline carriers justify their move into video.
How can they provide me with IPTV, if downloading a movie is such a strain on their networks.
Bottom line is ATT got caught with their pants down and they want the customers to pay for their mistake. I guess that sounds fair if you work for ATT.
Danny (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 6:21am
How long is iPhone exclusive to AT&T?Anyone here know how long the iPhone is exclusive to AT&T? I would love to get an iPhone, but won't use AT&T (even before reading this post) due to poor signal quality in Chicago.
The whole recent ad controversy showing how poor their nationwide 3G coverage is strengthens my decision.
So, I want an iPhone when I can get it with another provider who supports Chicago (and other places) better.
ChurchHatesTucker (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 8:59am
Re: How long is iPhone exclusive to AT&T?"Anyone here know how long the iPhone is exclusive to AT&T? I would love to get an iPhone, but won't use AT&T (even before reading this post) due to poor signal quality in Chicago."
It's up in early 2010. Should be an interesting few months.
AJ (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 9:57am
Re: Re: How long is iPhone exclusive to AT&T?I think I read that T-Mobile is close to a deal and that Verizon's president has made four or five trips to Cupertino in the last few months.
thinkliberty, 10 Dec 2009 @ 6:23amFine. Change the terms of the contract, I will go to vzw, the droid has flash support.
Dark Helmet (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 6:32am
Re:"the droid has flash support."
Not yet, but coming soon, according to my Droid, who I've named Dot Matrix....
Hephaestus (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 7:26am
Re: Re:LOL .... I think I will name my BlackBerry ... "Bob" ... to follow the ReBoot theme.
Anonymous Coward, 10 Dec 2009 @ 10:56am
Re:Not yet
Rpatton (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 5:55pm
Re:No Flash yet but soon .. they say January
Snidely, 10 Dec 2009 @ 7:21am
A little harsh on the BeaverI think we need to cut AT&T a break here. They definitely underestimated the huge increase in usage thanks to the iPhone and are trying to remedy that situation. It takes a long time to get approval to add more towers and expand coverage. It's not just a matter of turning up the power to improve the signal strength. I don't fully support Mike's point here because he is effectively equating the caps on mobile broadband to fixed broadband. Regular readers know that Mike hates caps on fixed broadband and doesn't buy into the arguments that "the internet is running out of capacity". I completely agree with him there. The mobile world differs in that operators are constrained by spectrum availability, so bandwidth hogs really do impact the service everyone else receives. I totally agree that operators should be sued every time they use the word "unlimited". AT&T has a rather simple solution to kill off the bandwidth hogs - ban streaming services. Might drive away all of their customers, but will definitely solve the bandwidth issue.
Hephaestus (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 11:12am
Re: A little harsh on the Beaver" It takes a long time to get approval to add more towers and expand coverage."
Its not about adding more towers its about putting the new hardware on the old towers. Totally different issue. One is regulatory the other is just being cheap.
Derek Kerton (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 2:11pm
Re: Re: A little harsh on the BeaverIt's both.
New equipment increases capacity and bandwidth.
New towers increase coverage and reduce gaps.
Furthermore, the newest technologies often have smaller effective ranges (at same frequency and Tx power) as older technologies. Meaning that more towers are needed to get the expected higher throughputs.
Nothing about cellular networks is simple.
Yakko Warner, 10 Dec 2009 @ 7:57am
Only a matter of timeAfter all, all the land line companies do it.
Anonymous1, 10 Dec 2009 @ 8:13amthink we need to cut AT&T a break here. They definitely underestimated the huge increase in usage thanks to the iPhone and are trying to remedy that situation...
Give me a break. I don't own a "smart phone" for mutliple reasons, including the price of plans, and need. It's clear however that AT&T knew EXACTLY what they were getting into.The reason AT&T fought SO hard to get the deal with Apple is due to Apple's success. They saw what Apple was able to do with the ipod. That's why they wanted a partnership. Eveyone knew the iphone was going to be big, perhaps not the exact growth %, but big none the less. For AT&T to NOT adequately invest in the network is the height of shortsightedness, and IMHO, greed. So, it looks like according to the above posts, AT&T can change the terms, but people can then choose to leave the contract. If their plans go ahead as predicted, customers may well be leaving in droves.
Derek Kerton (profile), 10 Dec 2009 @ 2:43pm
Re:Yeah, except that you're wrong.
AT&T, and every other carrier in the world, has been trying to hit a home run with mobile data, or some differentiated service, ever since...ever.
Every time they have EVER thought they had a hit on their hands, they launched it...and were wrong. Every "exclusive" launch was basically a flop.
Exclusives on ringtones? Not a sudden hit, and quickly copied by all other carriers.
Exclusive on content, like Shakira music? Tried, and basically not enough to move any dials. http://listserv.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20060314/152841.shtml
Exclusives on handsets? Tried many, many times before the iPhone, but no other device was unique and desirable enough to move people from one carrier to another.
Awesome content that would drive up usage? Tried, and basically flatlined. Ringtones have been flat, mobile games have been flat.
Video that would be the savior of carriers and use some of their 3G capacity at a time when they had built 3G but no consumer gave a damn? Failed. Consumers weren't interested in mobile video.
The only other hit, the Blackberry, was not a sudden success, but instead grew steadily in popularity since 1999, with success limited to email.
What I'm getting at here is that in 8 years of trying to drive increased use of mobile data, the carriers had seen near-failures at every turn, and only slow, steady growth up until 2007. These were "teachable moments" for them.
So, when Apple and AT&T struck their deal, despite past disappointments, you think AT&T should have KNOWN that it would be a sudden and huge success, and invested $20 Billion or so on the expectation that it would create huge, dramatic, unprecedented data traffic growth?
That isn't reasonable.
Anonymous1, 10 Dec 2009 @ 1:01pmIn other news: the electric company, gas station, Natural gas utility, subway operator, all "came after me" to pay more for using more. Crazy world.
Did those operators promise you unlimited use of their services for a certain price? *ahem* NO.
As an aside, is stupidity becoming more and more contagious?
Derek Kerton (profile), 11 Dec 2009 @ 1:55pm
Re:OK, smartypants.
But if those wireless carriers (stupidly) offered unlimited services for many years, does it mean they MUST continue to offer them in the present, and for all the future forevermore?
*ahem* no.
Are the carriers' Terms of Service stipulated with contract lengths of "forever"? Negative on that.
Have you never seen a seller increase their price? Reduce their quantity? Did you not know that that is legal, often fair, and even occurs frequently in a free market?
So, yes. They sold unlimited. They are also allowed to stop selling unlimited. Duh.
Seriously! To be so stupid as you try to impugn others...
Anonymous1, 10 Dec 2009 @ 2:20pmNothing about cellular networks is simple.
In other news: the electric company, gas station, Natural gas utility, subway operator, all "came after me" to pay more for using more. Crazy world.
Other than your defense of them...
Derek Kerton (profile), 11 Dec 2009 @ 1:59pm
You're right for once. My defense of them IS simple. Simple economics as applied to the cellular services markets.
I criticize the telcos and cablecos as much as I defend them. This is the burden of being educated, neutral, and rational. I end up pissing off people on both sides.
Anonymoose, 10 Dec 2009 @ 3:17pmCustomers often enjoy being referred to as hogs.
Johnny~xL^, 10 Dec 2009 @ 9:37pm
How did this devolve to PC v mac?This has nothing to do with the silly pc/mac debate.
To all of you trashing At&t you need to get your facts straight. Yup, AT&T have a lame 3g network, but you do have unlimited bandwidth. Verizon would never allow that w/o a * in fine print and 4Gb or slightly more limit per month. Just look at all Verizons net cards & netbooks. Even their droid pricing is alacarte. Verzon is notorious for locking down phone functionality. Verizon does have great coverage, but their customer svc, billing, and neutrality (getting the most from YOUR device) are pathetic. Verizon will get the iPhone in time, and they will have a wacky pricing scheme that claims unlimited data but really has an upper limit that will be set too low. Nether of theses telcos are stupid, they are greedy, but AT&T won't be stupid and blow the only good thing they have by pissing off their best customers and creating a Sprint/nextel style mass exodus, which is a lesson I believe they should all focus on.
Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2009 @ 12:57amOddly, I enjoyed the imagery of Luke Wilson in "Old School".
There was a scene where Luke's character tells people to throw cinder blocks over a the roof of a three-story building attached to fraternity pledges penises.
Blue, You're My Boy!
theorangebox, 11 Dec 2009 @ 4:21am
iphone users are like cattle..Quit ya bitcxhin' you are all part of the ATT herd so deal with it sheep!
Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2009 @ 11:42am
Luke Wilson can be bought and told to say anything."Old School" was a funny movie.
As you may recall, there was a scene where Luke Wilson's character tells people to throw cinder blocks over the roof of a three-story building... These cinder blocks were attached to ropes which subsequently were attached to fraternity pledges in odd places.
If Luke can be bought for a script that includes such violent imagery as penis decapitation, I wonder... If the money is right, I wonder what else he could be persuaded to say on TV or the radio...
dean wysocki, 12 Dec 2009 @ 11:18am
Luke Wilson Whored Himself Out Deceiving PeopleI dont understand how luke wilson jumped in to represent At&t. With all forums blowing up about shabby service and the true pathetic 3g map they have, luke is deceiving people, he doesnt mentioned the nations fastest 3g is only available in very limited areas. and postcards in that commercial, too bad he didnt read them to find out that those att cust's couldnt email him : >
Chris Pratt, 12 Dec 2009 @ 9:56pm
Everything I Wanted to SayTook the words right out of my mouth, Mike. I cannot for the life me figure out how the execs over at AT&T keep their jobs. If I was a shareholder, I'd be screaming for their heads. Just one idiot move after another. I'm praying with every fiber of my being that Verizon get's the new iPhone in 2010; then, it's so long AT&T.
Need to file a class action law suit, 29 Jan 2010 @ 6:48pm
Someone please file a class action law suit!Someone needs to serve as a representative for the group of people who have been caught up in AT&T's fraud scheme. There needs to be a class action law suit filed against AT&T.
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This activity relates the solubility of gas to the boiling of eggs.
Students observe the color of the yolk of two boiled eggs. One of the eggs is left in hot water after it is boiled and the other is placed in cold water immediately after boiling it. The first of these yolks appears to have a grayish green coating because hydrogen sulfide gas is present and reacts with the iron in the yolk to produce iron II sulfide (which is the gray-green color). The second yolk appears yellow because no iron II sulfide is formed. Instead, the hydrogen sulfide gas moves out of the egg into the cool water surrounding it. This is because the gas is more soluble in cold solution than in hot.
Solubility of gas
30 minutes of class time.
- 2 eggs per group
- 2 beakers (or a small pot and a bowl)
- hotplate (or stove top burner)
The yolk of an egg contains iron. The white of an egg contains sulfur in the bonds of the protein. When you cook an egg the sulfur is released from the protein in the form of hydrogen sulfide gas. The smell of cooking egg is due to the hydrogen sulfide gas. Gas is less soluble in hot solutions and is more soluble in colder solutions. As you boil an egg, the egg begins to heat up faster on the outside causing the hydrogen sulfide gas to move toward the center of the egg where it is cooler and more soluble. When the hydrogen sulfide gas reaches the yolk it immediately begins to react with the iron in the yolk to form the iron (II) sulfide, which is a green color. To prevent the yolk from turning green you need to get the hydrogen sulfide gas to move away from the center so it can't react with the iron in the yolk. To do this you need to make the outside of an egg cooler than the inside so that the hydrogen sulfide gas will migrate outwards.
The green compound is not harmful in anyway but most people would prefer a bright yellow yolk to a green one.
- Put two eggs in a beaker or pot of water and boil for 15 minutes. (Start timing after the water begins to boil.)
- At the end of the 15 minutes, remove the container from the heat source. Remove one egg and place it in a container of cold water. Leave the other egg in the hot water that it was boiled in.
- Let the eggs sit in the water for about 30 minutes. Add ice to the cold water container if necessary to maintain a cool temperature.
- Peel both eggs and remove the yolks. Try to remove the yolks whole. Observe the results.
- What is the formula for the gas that reacts with the iron in the yolk to produce the green color?
- What is the formula for the green compound that is formed on the yolk?
- Write the balanced chemical equation for the formation of green compound on the surface of an egg yolk.
- Why does putting the egg in cold water prevent the formation of the green color around the yolk? (Explain in terms of solubility.)
- If you need to boil eggs for an event at your home, will you place the eggs in cold water after boiling them? Why or why not?
This activity can be done in the lab in groups or as a class activity/demonstration where only a few eggs are boiled. I have also used this as a take home activity that requires students to do this with a parent/guardian at home and get a parent signature at the bottom of the page that states that the student completed the activity and explained the answers to all of the questions to the parent/guardian. I have enjoyed a good parent response to this assignment.
I have modified this activity from one that was presented many years ago at a Michigan Science Teacher Association Conference. I wish that I had the name of the woman that presented it.
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Green Eggs Solubility
I have been looking for more waybrings how the students how Chemistry is in their everyday lives.
This is terrific!
a couple of thoughts
I love it! My thinking is that the students could get presented with the two eggs, tell them to peel them, observe the differences, and come up with a procedure for replicating the outcome...so they'd research how the yolk turned green, then think about how that could have happened...test at home, bring back results! very cool, I'm thinking a kitchen chemistry experiment!
thanks for sharing!
Intriguing activity
We did this activity today and it was really interesting to observe and take notes on, so I must thank you!


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Study Shows Counterfeit Buyers Frequently Buy Real Products Later
from the acta-what-now? dept
But, an even more annoying part of all this is the use of fear mongering over "counterfeit goods" as some huge problem that has to be solved, when the evidence increasingly suggests otherwise. The copyright lobbyists are using the cover of some mythical massive counterfeiting problem to push for unnecessary and potentially dangerous copyright law changes, but even the counterfeiting claims are suspect. In the past, we've noted that both the GAO and the OECD have noted that the "problem" of counterfeiting has been massively inflated by lobbyists.
And, a new study suggests that even the counterfeit goods that do get sold aren't really a huge problem to the original manufacturers (thanks to Dave Barnes for sending this in) -- if there a problem at all. In a study that was actually carried out by a former brand manager at LVMH, it was discovered that people don't view counterfeit goods as a substitute to the real goods. People aren't being tricked -- they know they're buying counterfeits, and others know that they have counterfeit goods as well:
"Consumers are a lot smarter than we may give them credit for -- just because you've got a nice fake doesn't mean you're going to get away with it."But, even more importantly, it looks like counterfeit products often act as a stepping stone to get people to go forward and buy the original version:
"The counterfeit actually served as a placebo for brand attachment," she said. "People were becoming increasingly attached to the real brand even though they never possessed it at all."So, for all the reports of "harm" done by counterfeit products, here's a study suggesting that it actually helps build brand loyalty, and appears to often lead to the counterfeit buyer later buying a massively expensive real offering in a relatively short time frame. As some are noting, this suggests that the counterfeit goods act as advertising for the real goods. These are the sorts of things that would probably be useful to discuss with those negotiating ACTA. If only those discussions weren't all happening behind closed doors due to "national security" issues.
Forty-six percent of the counterfeit-bag owners bought the authentic products within two and a half years, she said. Shoppers were willing to pay $786 for a real luxury bag....


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Simmons '70: And You Can Dance To Itby Steve Charles • March 22, 2012 Share:
When Dan Simmons '70 was in graduate school, he worked part-time for a researcher who was studying films of newborn babies.
"They would put the baby near the mother, who was talking to someone else, and they would film this baby's reaction to language," the bestselling author of The Terror and the Hugo-Award-winning Hyperion series told students, faculty, and guests during a talk at Wabash on Tuesday. "Whenever the mother would talk, the baby would respond with movement.
"So the human infant does a language dance; it's trying to take part in the conversation even at 10 weeks.
"That language dance continues throughout our lives, and those who feel it the deepest become poets," Simmons added, then smiled. "Those who feel it more shallowly become novelists. And those who feel it but don't want to express it, or can't, become great readers. But this language dance is so important."
During his three days on campus, Wabash joined Simmons in that dance as the writer worked with students in class, gave a public reading Monday night, and spoke about his work on Tuesday. He also endorsed liberal arts education as "the perfect preparation" for a writer: "I cannot think of a better preparation for becoming a novelist than liberal arts education to begin with, but since that phrase means so little these days, Wabash College in particular. You're getting the perfect education for a novelist, it simply prepares you to be the utility infielder that a novelist is. I'm not saying that just because I went to Wabash College—I say this to high school students all over the place: If you want to write, go to a liberal arts college."
Here's a photo album of some moments from Simmons' visit to Wabash and the College's writing program.
Further reading in Wabash Magazine: "A Break in the Action" (1998); "Keep in Touch" (2003); and Simmons' essay on fatherhood, "The Kid" (2007).


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sukhamanveti: Hi, Will! Thank you for your reply.
I have the good fortune to own the first two volumes of The Great Treatise on the Stages of the Path to Enlightenment. I really should buy the third some time this year. I once owned Liberation in Our Hands. The only thing I remember is that it had a depiction of the figures in the visualization of the field of merit, whereas the newer translation, Liberation in the Palm of Your Hand, omits this.
Yes, I had both of these too, but had to reduce the size of my library. However the "Our Hands" version was a better translation I thought and was in 2 or 3 volumes. The other "Palm of Your Hand" one was pub. by Wisdom and in one fat volume.


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Israel: The Promised Land of Imports
Novel foods and ingredients from Israel would do well here in the U.S. and Canada.
Israel lies 6,000 miles away, and culturally it seems even more distant. Its food culture is the perfect blend of exotic and comfortable, and its food & beverage processors and ingredient suppliers can both stretch the American palate and supply its current wants.
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On a recent tour there – admittedly sponsored by the Israel Export & International Cooperation Institute – I saw a number of finished food products that would do well here in the States; plus some novel ingredients that could give American processors an edge. Most of these companies are eager to find an American or Canadian partner to help them penetrate this market.
First, the food products. Dorot Garlic & Herbs (www.dorot.co.il) already has penetrated the U.S. market with its unique flash-frozen herbs and other vegetables. The ingredients sit in what resembles a miniature ice cube tray, each cube a typical portion of the ingredient, which thaws in minutes or goes directly into the frying pan or pot, while the rest go back in the freezer to stay fresh.
The key market is busy home cooks, who want to cook with fresh ingredients but not truly from scratch (the ingredients already are chopped and premeasured). These cooks also want small quantities of these "fresh" ingredients because they don't cook often enough to warrant typical quantities of these ingredients and the attendant expense.
Basil, parsley, garlic and other vegetable ingredients are grown on a large kibbutz in south Israel. They're cleaned and chopped or otherwise prepared and are flash-frozen on-site. Dorot already has shelf space in Trader Joe's and Whole Foods and American sales of $30 million a year.
The company is using the same freezing and packaging technologies to develop herb mixes, marinades, even pasta sauces in single-serve quantities that thaw quickly and cook like freshly made sauces (tomato, alfredo and sweet potato sauce) in three minutes. Perfect for single chefs.
Capitalizing on the fruit side of Israeli agriculture, Gan Shmuel Group has been turning especially citrus fruits into juices, nectars and other beverages since 1942. With its origins in the Israeli kibbutz system, the group owns citrus orchards covering nearly 5,000 acres.
Israel grows a plethora of tropical fruits. Lemon Tree dehydrates lemons into a powder that can be used in place of fresh lemons.
Gan Shmuel exports 85 percent of its products around the globe, has subsidiaries in Spain, Uruguay, Poland and Italy and is represented in 45 countries. Oranges, mandarins, grapefruits and lemons are its raw materials, and products include not-from-concentrate and concentrated juices, citrus cells, taste and aroma components, extract concentrates, compounds and bases and essential oils. Products are found in industrial, foodservice and retail.
Speaking of lemons, Lemon Tree (www.lemon-tree.co.il) is both a company and the product name for a powdered lemon juice. Concentrated and shelf-stable, the product can be used wherever lemon juice would be -- but it's sprinkled, rather than squeezed. Containing no sweeteners, preservatives or other components, the lemon powder is suitable for hot and cold beverages, fish, salads, etc. Lemon Tree is selling the powder in small stick packs for the retail market but also in industrial sizes for food processing and foodservice.
Gat Foods (www.gatfoods.com) is another company capitalizing on the availability of Israeli fruits. It's vertically integrated, owning many of the fields, even the seeds, where its products begin, then processing them into ingredients for itself and other beverage makers. It owns Prigat, the leading Israeli fruit-based beverage brand. It recently partnered with mineral water producer Neviot to create Water+, a lightly fruit-flavored drink using mineral water rather than purified water.
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Specific health benefits fill the larger bottles of Novel Creation (www.novelcreation.com). The liquid dietary supplements come in single-serve pouches (15ml) or in 450ml (15-oz) bottles to be mixed with a half cup of water.
Novel's Maximum Antioxidant is made from pomegranates and wild berries with coenzyme Q10. Maximum Sambucus combines black elderberry fruit and flower with acerola for general health and immunity. In addition to its named fruit, Maximum Cranberry includes juniper fruit and hollyhock root extracts supplemented by magnesium citrate and MSM. Other "Maximums" include curcumin, iron, co-Q10, calcium, multivitamin, red alga and "cleansing."
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The NC Second Chance Alliance is a statewide alliance of advocacy organizations, service providers, faith-based organizations, community leaders and interested citizens that have come together to achieve the safe and successful reintegration of adults and juveniles with criminal records by promoting policies that remove barriers to productive citizenship.
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- 1.6 million North Carolians have criminal records.
- Approximately 40,000 individuals are currently in North Carolina's 70 prisons.
- Currently, 1 in 106 Caucasian males is incarcerated, while 1 in 36 Latino males and 1 in 15 African-American males are incarcerated.
- It costs the NC Department of Public Safety $27,000 annually to incarcerate someone.
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L.L. Bean sells sports clothes and accessories, furniture and decor items, but mainly equipment for a world of activities: fishing, kayaking, biking, hiking, hunting and camping. The company takes shopping so seriously that its flagship retail space - called a campus - is open all day and all night, 365 days a year, and embraces four stores: the L.L. Bean Flagship Store, the Hunting and Fishing Store, the Bike, Boat and Ski Store and the newest, the LL. Bean Home Store.
Its mail-order business was founded in 1912 with the so-called duck boot, designed with a rubber sole by Leon L. Bean. The first store opened a few years later.
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If the great outdoors is unfamiliar territory, L.L. Bean invites you to its Outdoor Discovery Schools for short tryout trips and courses in kayaking, fishing, cycling, clay shooting and winter sports.
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*'''[[User:TomH|Tom]] 14:10, 26 August 2006 (EDT)''': When I did the initial testing of J37015 I initally got a AHL and flourescence flatline. However, repeating the experiment and missing out the dilution steps from the o/n culture I got [[IGEM:Imperial/Results/J37015#Results|this output]] for AHL (although I forgot to measure J37015 direct flouresence, oops!). The data does show that AHL is being produced.
*'''[[User:TomH|Tom]] 14:10, 26 August 2006 (EDT)''': When I did the initial testing of J37015 I initally got a AHL and flourescence flatline. However, repeating the experiment and missing out the dilution steps from the o/n culture I got [[IGEM:Imperial/Results/J37015#Results|this output]] for AHL (although I forgot to measure J37015 direct flouresence, oops!). The data does show that AHL is being produced.
*'''[[User:TomH|Tom]] 10:01, 28 August 2006 (EDT)''': Any updates on this?
*'''[[User:TomH|Tom]] 10:01, 28 August 2006 (EDT)''': Any updates on this?
*'''[[User:JohnChattaway|JohnChattaway]] 04:40, 30 August 2006 (EDT)I have decided that the prey cells are producing AHL based on tom's data. Here's how I think we can test the prey cell positive feedback loop, uising a chemostat.
The rate of AHL production for a given OD and AHL concentration will be constant. The chemostat will wash out cells and AHL keeping AHLconcentration and OD constant therefore you will reach a steady state where AHLproduction = AHL washout. So by mesuring the concentration of AHL in the medium and knowing the volume of washed out medium we will know the rate of AHL washout which will equil AHL production thereby giving us the intrinsic growth rate of AHL.
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Tom is away revising for exams and John is going away to the US. This page is a place where questions are raised and answered and a place to keep everyone aware of what is going on. Also, if anyone external to the project wishes to raise a point, contribute to a discussion or simply to ask a question please feel free!
Major Issues (Everyone please read and contribute)
Non-functional AiiA (Unresolved)
- John C: Data showing aiiA does not work
- Tom 13:55, 26 August 2006 (EDT): I'd be a little hesitant to condem AiiA with that data alone, for the following reasons:
- The control of having non-induced cells I don't think is adequate. Having non-induced cells as a control we are assuming the operator sequence is functioning and intact and we're also making the assumption there is enough native LacI repressor to effectively shut off AiiA production. We need a control where we have AHL innoculated with non-AiiA/LuxI/Flourescence producing cells.
- Secondly, the method for working out whether the difference between induced and non-induced cells is statistically significant is not given. Just because a difference is between 3-4% doesn't make it statistically insignificant by default. Especially if you're consistently getting those results. I'd suggest a T test on repeated samples to determine significance.
- Thirdly, the dilution of cells and small AHL innoculation time may be having an effect. I'd suggest growing a culture overnight in the prescence of AHL and IPTG, along with appropriate controls, and taking the supernatent directly from that for the T9002 assay.
- Johnsy 06:49, 27 August 2006 (EDT): I agree with Tom in that the AiiA may work. There are several reasons for non-expression (or maybe non-detection?) I have not tried to increased the IPTG amount, so maybe there is not enough IPTG to induce expression. Moreover, as our T9002 has been acting up within the past few days, it might be our T9002 cell activity which is the problem. However, having run an SDS gel with no results might signify that there is not expression of AiiA in the first place (or that there is not enough expression to produce any significant results). We might want to try to increase the IPTG concentration so that we are sure to induce AiiA expression and retry the SDS gel? just a suggestion...Then again, it could be the problem with the part itself in the registry. We can wait for another few days until our J37022 test construct finishes and try to run the tests using that construct.
- Tom 19:14, 27 August 2006 (EDT): I reckon first thing to do would be to induce overnight in the prescence of AHL. You can then do the T9002 assay straight from the o/n culture, and use some of the cells for the SDS page.
- JohnChattaway 07:53, 28 August 2006 (EDT) I think you may be right, the western blot expriment is flawed because DH5a can't express protein at high levels, to do that you need to use a different strain so the western blot may have failed for that reason. The new strain kirstin wants to use is in the next safety catagory above DH5a but that just means it has more forms to be fille in. Secondly I think that seeing as the activity of aiia is so low an hour may not be a long enough time period to get mesurable results I will try an assay which runs overnight and look into small chemostats to run it in.
- Tom 10:00, 28 August 2006 (EDT): I don't think a chemostat would be necessary. Just whack in some IPTG and AHL in a standard overnight culture. Just to act as a diagnostic as to whether AiiA is being produced and is working. You shouldn't need a chemostat until assembley of the final system is complete.
- JohnChattaway 04:48, 29 August 2006 (EDT) The reason no aiia is being produced is that we were testing a contaminant. The part should grow in kanomycin media only but we were testing in ampacillin so it was an amp-resistant contaminant growing, not the real part. will retest in kan medium
- Tom 06:27, 29 August 2006 (EDT): The AHL assay test data should be okay though, as I'm pretty sure John S tested in Kanamycin (I set up a culture with Deepti, defiantley used Kan). And as we were only doing the western blot because we didn't think that was working, doing the overnight innoculation/induction is still probably the best move.
- Johnsy 18:00, 29 August 2006 (EDT): Yes indeed I have been using Kanamycin for S01656 testing. Furthermore, I believe that we grew up the S01656 culture for SDS gel in Kanamycin, so there should still be some expression of AiiA. However, the culture might be contaminated already, since when we were growing up the cultures, we accidentally grew up in Amp, but we did have substantial bacterial growth :S...not really a good sign...and might be a contaminant of something else...but definitely not good. I would susupect that maybe the AiiA genome might have been mutated or as John C suspects, that the AiiA isn't being produced enough in the medium, so we are not getting enough expression to be measured.
Non-functional Prey Cells (Unresolved)
- John C: The prey cells don't flouressce! This is a majour problem!!! what are we doing about it?
- This data suggests that the prey cells are flourescing however there is no propper controll so the experiment needs to be repeated. I am pretty sure the increaced flourescence is due to the presence of cells not producing GFP. There needs to be a positive controll.
- My experiment yesterday showed that the prey cells DO NOT PRODUCE AHL! this is a big problem.
- How can we fix this?
- Tom 14:10, 26 August 2006 (EDT): When I did the initial testing of J37015 I initally got a AHL and flourescence flatline. However, repeating the experiment and missing out the dilution steps from the o/n culture I got this output for AHL (although I forgot to measure J37015 direct flouresence, oops!). The data does show that AHL is being produced.
- Tom 10:01, 28 August 2006 (EDT): Any updates on this?
- JohnChattaway 04:40, 30 August 2006 (EDT) I have decided that the prey cells are producing AHL based on tom's data. Here's how I think we can test the prey cell positive feedback loop, uising a chemostat.
- JohnChattaway 04:40, 30 August 2006 (EDT) The rate of AHL production for a given OD and AHL concentration will be constant. The chemostat will wash out cells and AHL keeping AHLconcentration and OD constant therefore you will reach a steady state where AHLproduction = AHL washout. So by mesuring the concentration of AHL in the medium and knowing the volume of washed out medium we will know the rate of AHL washout which will equil AHL production thereby giving us the intrinsic growth rate of AHL.
General Issues
anyone thought of using an auxostat rather than a chemostat? (just to make it even more complicated)
- Tom 18:55, 26 August 2006 (EDT): You'll all be pleased to know it is possible to assess AHL levels via HPLC. They did it here. Dunno whether you can incorporate this into testing, but I defiantley think it's a more accurate way to assess AHL levels.
- Johnsy 07:11, 27 August 2006 (EDT): Again, the problem with using HPLC is that we will not have a direct measurement of the AHL levels in the actual oscillator. This will be okay for our testing phase, and actually might be helpful if we begin by testing the concentrations of the AHL in the stock AHL, so we are sure that we are using correct AHL concentrations. Degradation of the AHL (or incorrect concentrations) might account for some of the bloopers we have had in our T9002/J37016/J37020 testing.
- Tom 09:16, 27 August 2006 (EDT): There is facility in the bioreactor suite to take samples from the chemostat and run them through a HPLC within the room. There is no reason we can't use this to test AHL levels in the oscilator, although I think the GFP flourescence would be a nicer reporter. It could, however, prove useful if things don't go according to plan and we have to troubleshoot. And if you think the AHL is messed up, it might be an idea to make up a new stock when Vincent gets back.
- Farah 18:27, 28 August 2006 (EDT): John, you've landed!! And you're already typing on the wiki! Just have to say - thanks for leaving your lab book...As for the HPLC - I think we should go ahead and do it so that we can check our T9002 transfer curve but to save manpower and time I'd rather give it to the ABC to sort out than do it for ourselves.
- Johnsy 18:02, 29 August 2006 (EDT): Will the other stuff in the LB medium and the bacteria cell affect the HPLC readings, or do we have to purify AHL somehow?
Protein Half-Lives
- Tom 12:04, 24 August 2006 (EDT): Hi guys, something to note which I don't think has been that clear. In a growing cell culture cells grow and divide, increasing the volume of cells. If the production of a stable protein was shut off then the effective half-life of that protein would be the division time of the cells. IE, as the cell becomes two, the protein is shared between a volume twice as large as the original. Thus halving concentration. This needs to be taken into account when assessing protein half-lives.
- Although note, this does not effect AHL half-life as its volume is not constrained by the cell, but rather the fixed volume of the medium.
- Christin 12:51, 24 August 2006 (EDT): After cell division, the protein concentration would half - that means that that protein concentration is not in steady state any more but after a certain time, the steady state concentration would be reestablished again. How can this be taken into account?
Also, this time delay might have effects on the dynamics of the system.
- Tom 10:16, 25 August 2006 (EDT): You would still get establishment of steady states when protein is being produced. The only thing cell division is effecting is protein half-lives when we consider the volume of cells in the chemostat is always the same. IE, the washing out rate is the same as the growth rate. And thinking about it, in the chemostat AHL half-life would also be equivalent to the doubling time of Bacteria, IE ~30 minutes, as this is being washed out at the same rate. PS: Is the full model on the wiki yet?
- Johnsy 07:18, 27 August 2006 (EDT): Something else to note regarding the cell division: Once the cell divides, yes the concentration of AiiA is halved WITHIN each cell, but eventually, the AiiA concentration will again reach a steady state and return to the level before, which means that in time, there would be an actual increase in the amount of AiiA within the entire system. However, if we consider the prey cells, they too are dividing. Thus, also increasing the concentration of AHL (doubling it every doubling time). Intuitively, this would suggest that our amplitude would double every time the cells divide (which is not necessarily a bad thing?), but more modelling needs to be done on this to confirm.
- Tom 11:23, 27 August 2006 (EDT): The changing of amplitudes won't happen within the chemostat, as the number of cells remains constant. And the actual division of cells themselves doesn't effect protein levels in the way that there is a sudden drop and increase back to steady state. The act of division itself does not effect concentrations as the resulting daughter cells will still have the combined volume of the single parental cell. What is effecting concentrations is growth, which is continuous.
- Christin 19:11, 29 August 2006 (EDT): Wait a second ... the concentration within the cell as it divides does not change at all. As concentration is number of moles per volume, the concentration stays the same. However, are you saying that the growth of the cell before it divides will affect the concentrations? Yes, it does, but is there such a large change in cell size that it will have a significant effect on the concentrations?
Monitoring Cell Populations
- Tom 07:35, 21 August 2006 (EDT): Hi everyone, just been reading through this. Big drawback of the 3 antibiotic way of monitoring cell population that you've identified is the extra ligation steps. What extra ligations steps are involved? If you just mean grafting your parts into a plasmid with appropriate antibiotic markers, can't you just co-transform a seperate plasmid with the marker on, thus saving a ligation step? I'm pretty sure those kind of plasmids would be easy to get hold of as they are the basis of a lot of gene cloning.
- Tom 10:03, 21 August 2006 (EDT): Actually, on second thoughts, that wouldn't work, as you'll end up losing the plasmid containing the antibiotic you're not screening for while the cells are growing
- Johnsy 11:30, 21 August 2006 (EDT): From what I understand from the team, we will use the antibiotic way of monitoring as a backup plan, in case we decide to monitor cell populations. For now, we have not decided to monitor cell populations, but we will go ahead and electroporate & Maxi the parts we might need. Just in case...
- Deepti 15.24, 22 August 2006 (EDT) -Talking to Dr. Jensen yesterday morning, it seems that the 3 antibiotic method is not very accurate an requires extra ligations steps which can be avoided.
- Waiting for plated samples to grow will require atleast a day before we can assess the differences in population sizes.
- The number of bacteria in the plated samples does not necessarily accurately reflect the relative proportion in the common broth culture.
- Even if the plating method were to be an accurate measure of the colony sizes in the broth culture, we could still only record, and not control population sizes
- According to Dr. Jensen, the best way to do it would be the OD method.
- By growing up the bacteria separately, we can measure their separate growth rates which, hopefully, should not be too disimilar.
- When mixing the two cultures, the ODs should be equal, and preferably, between 0.6 and 0.8.
- Tom 13:05, 22 August 2006 (EDT): Would it be possible to check the population ratios after they've been mixed together using the OD method?
- Deepti 09.10, 23 August 2006 - I'm afraid not. Once the cultures are mixed there is no way to tell them apart using the OD method. Best we can do, I reckon, is ensure the OD of both individual cultures is between (0.6-0.8) right before mixing and then just hope they stay more or less equal (we will have a rough estimate of the individual growth rates of each population from the OD measurement of the individual cultures done beforehand).
- Tom 05:27, 23 August 2006 (EDT): If we're gonna be using the chemostat for the final assembley (which I assume we are), Dr. Leak made it clear that it amplifies the smallest difference in compeitive growth ability. Meaning that once innoculated, there's a good chance the ratios are gonna change. I strongly recommend looking more into this, and looking into obtaining LacZ plasmids.
Measuring LuxI
- Farah 12:22, 21 August 2006 (EDT): What are we doing about luxI in J37015? Are we going ahead with measuring the GFP levels in that part? Tom mentioned talking to Vincent about it...I can model the luxI but from the assumptions we've made for our current model for J37015 we ought to get a similar curve as for the AHL levels. To Tom: I remember you saying you've talked to Vincent about the luxI - what was the conclusion?
- Tom 15:50, 21 August 2006 (EDT): Yeah, we decided it might be easier and more accurate to measure the GFP from the pLux transcript as opposed to AHL. We'd still like to measure AHL to see the relationship between LuxI and AHL, however the relationship may be easier to characterise and more accurate than the T9002 assay.
- Deepti 23 August 2006: What would be the point of measuring LuxI if we cannot characterise the relationship between LuxI concentration and AHL concentration? The only way we could do that is to measure both compounds (using both protocols) and come up with a curve that describes their relationship. Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I can gather, the reason for using this alternative protocol is to achieve greater accuracy than with the AHL assay. Using the alternative protocol we would gain a more accurate measurememnt of LuxI concentration but the AHL measurement would still depend on the original assay whether we use the curve produced by the alternative or not!! (Since the curve is extracted by comparing data from both assays).
Should we not stick with the original assay then, inaccurate as this may be? Unless ofcourse we do want to measure the concentration of LuxI in the system, for which I'm not sure I see the reason for.
LuxR in the Predator Cell
- Tom 15:50, 21 August 2006 (EDT): I remember when Farah and Christin assumed LuxR in the predator was constant we still got oscillations. If this is the case what is the point of LuxR being under the control of pLux as opposed to a constitutive promoter? Also, if this is the case and LuxR variance isn't important, than our design is exactly the same as the preivious MIT design, except spread over two cells. Maybe someone can look at the effects on the system of having LuxR vairable and LuxR constant?
- Farah 11:29, 22 August 2006 (EDT): When Christin and I assumed LuxR to be constant we were just 'hiding' the fact that LuxR is actually varying - as was pointed out by Vincent. I don't see the poing in modelling a simplified version of the system when our more 'accurate' model is working.
- Tom 13:39, 22 August 2006 (EDT): I think it would just be interesting to see the differences. We've made LuxR vary, and if we still get oscillations when it isn't varied people may ask why we bothered to make LuxR variable in the first place.
- Farah 18:20, 28 August 2006 (EDT): Sorry I didn't answer you sooner about this - just noticed your comments buried in the mass of text on this page. We don't really have the option of choosing whether levels of LuxR vary or are constant. Our predator (J37016 or J37020) just simply has varying levels of LuxR, so assuming constant LuxR levels in the modelling would just hide what was actually going on in our system (we tried it but this point was pointed out to us by Vincent). If we adapted the predator to produce constant LuxR then we could make the approximation but this could only be done with J37020 which has two promoters - doing so for part J37016 would mean producing constant amounts of AiiA too.
Cre/Lox Part
- Johnsy 07:08, 27 August 2006 (EDT): What is going on with the Cre/Lox part? Have we started to ligate it yet?
- Jonny 12:59, 27 August 2006 (EDT) This is being done by Ms. Jensen and now I think Dr. Mann also. Basically, we have to do two seperate PCR reactions and then fuse them together. One of the PCR reactions appears to be fine, however the other has failed four times. The reason for the failures is thought to be the very long overhanging fragment for one of the primers - around 60 base pairs. They have been playing around with the different temperatures, but there has been no success so far. If it continues to fail, then an option is to order two seperate sequences that anneal to each other which should then make the PCR simpler. Unfortunately none of the other ligations steps are possible without the PCRed fragment.
- Johnsy 18:04, 29 August 2006 (EDT): Ok...cool...but if it doesn't work, is it a very necessary part to have for our prey cell? Have we finished testing the J37015? or rather..how is the testing going for the J37015?
Resolved Issues
Prey cell positive feedback test
- JohnChattaway 05:55, 22 August 2006 (EDT): I am curious about what data this test will actually give us. It seems like you are measuring the time taken to reach steady state rather than characterising the positive feedback loop. I think that a much better test would be;
- Make a fresh day culture of J37015 (OD 0.4 (guess))
- Make a T9002 AHL assay
- then every 10 mins for 2hrs
- Take 1 1ml sample
- Record OD
- Centrifuge down cells, collect supernatant
- Put supernatant on ice
- After 2 hours this should leave you with 12 samples of different AHL conc in the ice bucket you can test these with the T9002 assay.
- We would then normalise the AHL reading against OD
- Tom 07:07, 22 August 2006 (EDT): That's pretty much exactly what the protocol says to do. Although it needs to be adapted to look at GFP output over time also. Also it'll have to be made more clear if you had trouble working out what was going on, any volunteers? :D
Random Ideas
Jamboree Demonstration
- Tom 18:43, 26 August 2006 (EDT): Hi guys, just thought I'd pop in with an idea. We were saying how we wouldn't be able to have a live demonstration at the jamboree because our period is too long. However, what about a simulated live demonstration? So we have a computer generated visual representation of the culture running off our model, and we can change parameters like cell ratios, growth rates and chemostat ODs. That way people can come along and fiddle with the paramters and be like 'wow, I can chage frequency/amplitude really easily!'. Plus, as it'll be based off a mathematical model, it isn't gonna go wrong in front of them. What do you reckon? I personally think audience participation is always a big plus. Also, just generally and not thinking about the jamboree, it'll be interesting and potentially very useful to see how the model responds to these new input parameters that we can easily change.
Working Bank Holiday Weekend
- Farah 18:37, 27 August 2006 (EDT): This is to John. Can you come in tomorrow afternoon to read the plates and culture up stuff for tuesday? I can call/mail you to let you know when you need to come in. We've worked it out so that then you, Christin, Jimmy and I will only need to contribute a half day...Our fate lies in your hands....
- Farah 17:51, 28 August 2006 (EDT): We've gathered a lot of data this weekend. Could everyone process whatever data they have (using the spreadsheet)and update the results page?
- Johnsy 18:05, 29 August 2006 (EDT): Pity they didn't have a holiday here in the US...but we do have one next Monday 4 Sept! :) Good to see you guys still dedicated!


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Corrientes GRAND SLAM | 22 - 26 May 2013
Corrientes, Argentina, May 24, 2013—Completing the last of three matches in round-robin pool play and the first round of single-elimination Friday, the men's competition has been cut in half to 16 teams heading into Saturday's at the $440,000 FIVB Corrientes Grand Slam double-gender tournament completed pool play. On Saturday, round of 16 and quarterfinals for the men's competition will be held.
With the eight pool winners earning a bye until the round of 16 on Saturday morning, emerging from Friday's first round of elimination matches between second and third-place teams in pool play were two teams each from Germany and the Netherlands and one each from Austria, Brazil, Switzerland and the United States.
Winning the eight pools earlier Friday to earn byes in the first elimination round were three teams from Brazil, two from Italy and one each from Czech Republic, Latvia and Poland. With the event being held for the first time in Corrientes, it continues through Sunday at the purpose-built site that is located on the sands of Arazati Beach – Costanera Sur.
The lighted stadium court has been built to seat 7,500 spectators. After playing one elimination round today, the men will play three more rounds Saturday with their last matches on Sunday. The women's semifinals and medal matches will be held on Saturday as well with the men's semifinals and medal matches closing the tournament on Sunday. Play will start at 9 a.m. Saturday local time and at 2:30 p.m. local time on Sunday for the men's final four matches.
Advancing to the Saturday's second round after their first round victories on Friday are Austria's Clemens Doppler/Alexander Horst, Brazil's Ricardo Santos/Alvaro Filho, Germany's Jonathan Erdmann/Kay Matysik, Germany's Sebastian Dollinger/Stefan Windscheif, Netherlands' Daan Spijkers/Christiaan Varenhorst, Netherlands' Alexander Brouwer/Robert Meeuwsen, Switzerland's Philip Gabathuler/Jonas Weingart and USA's Jake Gibb/Casey Patterson. They will now advance to meet the winners of the eight pools on Saturday morning.
From pool play, the five men's teams advancing undefeated with 3-0 records to lead their respective groups were Brazilian duos Alison Cerutti/Emanuel Rego, Brazil's Vitor Felipe/Evandro Goncalves, Czech Republic's Robert Kufa/Jan Hadrava, Latvia's Aleksandrs Samoilovs/Janis Smedins and Poland's Mariusz Prudel/Grzegorz Fijalek. With 2-1 pool marks, the three other men's pool winners were Brazil's Bruno Schmidt/Pedro Salgado, Italy's Paolo Nicolai/Daniele Lupo and Italian brothers Paolo Ingrosso/Matteo Ingrosso.
Friday's pool play winners will now meet the first round winners Saturday morning.
Argentina had two teams advance from pool play, but both were defeated in the first elimination round. Germany's Erdmann/ Matysik eliminated Argentina's Pablo Bianchi/PabloSuarez in two sets and Netherland's Spijkers/Varenhorst also won in two sets over Argentina's Ian Mehamed/Julian Azaad. Both Argentinean times will receive 17th-place finishes in the tournament.
After his team's win, Germany's Jonathan Erdmann said, "We are very happy. In the past two tournaments we finished in 9th place after pool play so we are happy to keep moving forward in this position"
Erdmann's teammate, Kay Matysik was also optimistic with their advancement victory, saying, "Last year was really good as we got a lot of fifth places but we want more, we want medals."
USA's Gibb/Patterson/Patterson, who won the season's first FIVB Grand Slam in Shanghai earlier this month, rebounded from a pool play loss and came back to defeat Russia's Konstanin Semenov/Yaroslav Koshkarev in three sets to stay alive in Corrientes.
Following the match, Patterson reflected, "We had a bad game yesterday so this match was good to refocus and play well again. We were very hungry to win. We are focused on our game plan and execute it well. We feel good. We're always prepared to play whomever we have to play. No one here is a bad team everyone is very good, so every match you must be playing your best."
Both Brazil's Felipe/Goncalves and Italy's Ingrosso brothers advanced to pool play by each winning two qualification tournament matches on Wednesday. While they went from the qualifier to winning their pools, an FIVB record was set that for the first time all eight teams that advanced from the qualifier made it into the elimination rounds of an FIVB Grand Slam.
Brazil's Felipe/Goncalves, who came through Wednesday's qualification tournament with two wins and are in their rookie season on the FIVB World Tour, had two of the biggest seed breakthroughs on Thursday against higher seeded teams from their own country and Germany and followed that with a third upset Friday morning beating a team from Latvia. The 28th-seeded Brazilians started main draw play Thursday by knocking off 12th-seeded compatriots Ricardo Santos/Alvaro Filho and defeating Germany's fifth-seeded Jonathan Erdmann/Kay Matysik.
On Friday morning Brazil's Felipe/Goncalves earned their advancement with a remarkable one hour, eight-minute match where they defeated Latvia's 21st-seeded Martins Plavins/Janis Peda in three grueling sets, 21-11, 19-21 and 29-27 in the tiebreaker. Winning the longest match in the tournament so far, they remained undefeated in Argentina with a 5-0 record. Their match was the longest in the tournament so far.
After missing the first two events on the 2013 FIVB calendar because of an injury to Alison, Brazil's 2011 FIVB World Champions Alison/Emanuel appear to be quickly regaining their talented teamwork as the won three pool play matches in impressive style. They capped their pool play Friday morning by defeating USA's Nick Lucena/Bradley Keenan 21-15, 21-15 in just 32 minutes.
Among the other teams advancing undefeated from pool play was Polish Olympians Prudel/Fijalek. With Poland hosting the FIVB Beach Volleyball World Championships in July in Stare Jablonki, more intense focus is on the athletes from Poland as the host country and Prudel/Fijalek have displayed their ability to handle the pressure in Argentina with their three pool play wins. Winning all three matches so far in two sets each, the earned their first round bye this afternoon by holding off Netherlands' Daan Spijkers/Christian Varenhorst, 27-25, 21-17 in 46 minutes.
Fijalek commented after this morning's match, "We are concentrating on next game and trying to find our best game. This year we want to play very good in every event, and our big goal this year is FIVB World Championship which is in Poland."
The gold medal teams in each gender in the FIVB Corrientes Grand Slam will each split $33,000, the silver $22,000, the bronze $16,500 and fourth place $12,900. The women's medal matches will be held on Saturday and the men's medal matches on Sunday. The FIVB Corrientes Grand Slam will be the 286th FIVB men's event since the FIVB began play in 1989 and the 248th FIVB women's tournament since they started in 1992.
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Argentina hosting World Tour at FIVB Corrientes Grand Slam
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Argentina rich beach volleyball history about to get richer
16.05.2013 14:38:12
Switzerland's Gerson-Prawdzic warming up well for Corrientes
16.05.2013 13:40:52
Alison & Emanuel plan 2013 World Tour debut in Corrientes
14.05.2013 22:27:13
Corrientes preparations in full force for the FIVB Grand Slam
08.05.2013 17:08:10
Teams confirmed for Corrientes Grand Slam
03.05.2013 17:23:58
National Federation list confirmed for Corrientes Grand Slam
03.05.2013 10:03:34
Zonta and Gallay spurred on by London experience
26.04.2013 09:10:55
Volleyball standout Sarah Pavan to join Canada's beach volleyball programme
25.04.2013 21:50:35
Corrientes Grand Slam officially launched
05.04.2013 08:20:15
World Tour returns to Argentina for Corrientes Grand Slam


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Oh. I love Alicia's look when Jeff mentions the bullying. . .like you were going to get off that easy sweetheart.
Why did Monica and Colton switch places?
Chelsea not having one vote...
Where in the Philippines was it? We have more than 7,000 islands...
Stunned that so many votes for Kim after her backstabbing. She must exert some sort of power/influence that I just didn't see from my tv viewing
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