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|2013-04-02, 16:08
|Link #3781
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
A center nova who disappears no longer cares about those things. All those things that you list that you would miss, to a center nova who has reached that state, they truly do not matter. A center nova who did still care about them, who would miss them, would still be tied to this world, and thus would not be ready to disappear. They could not be in the AKB Theater and have regrets about leaving the world behind, have things they missed about the physical world. That in and of itself would mean that their soul was not in the right state to have gone there in the first place.
|2013-04-02, 20:23
|Link #3783
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Philippines
Age: 42
I find it extremely hypocritical that one says he/she loves the show and/or the music but dislikes, if not hates the real-life group based on it.
Otherwise it's the indifference that sometimes bother me, but then I'm not going to force anyone to like it... Just that even a little praise for those girls who tried the deep end of the pool that is voice-acting.
Gonna make this clear, because what makes it different is that the girls aren't just the voices but also actual performers, so they bring this authenticity and first-hand experience onto the table. Being a member isn't a status for bragging rights but something they truly earned by raw talent and will keep working hard for, as they develop into artists in their own right. What they'll become soon, I am not to know, but they're in a stage of metamorphosis.
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|2013-04-02, 20:58
|Link #3784
Moderate Haruhiist
*raises hand* I like the show, but I'm very ambivialent about its real-life basis. There's something ultimately skeevy and backwards about idol culture, but hey, that's how the entertainment business is.
|2013-04-03, 00:31
|Link #3785
Join Date: Dec 2006
*raises hand too*
That's that, this is this.
Besides, the more infamous parts of the real group doesn't happen in the anime. And if someone dislikes the real group for those reasons, they have no reason to dislike the anime that doesn't have those reasons. It makes sense to me at least.
|2013-04-03, 06:35
|Link #3786
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Brazil
While I did end up liking the group in the end, and would agree there is quite a few ways more to enjoy about this show if you do, I still do understand how someone could enjoy this without the need to care about the actual group, and maybe even dislike it.
|2013-04-03, 07:11
|Link #3787
Me at work
I liked the show because I got attached to the characters and because I enjoyed the sci-fi setting but in the end I never grew to really like the group itself, respect them,sure,they're definitely hard workers but in the end the only song I ended up remotely enjoying listening to was Beginner, all the others do nothing for me.
It's really as simple as that,I've got nothing against the concept of idols ( I listen to k-pop ), but if I can't enjoy the music,I'm not gonna be interested in the group, the anime had other aspects that appealed to me and it's why I enjoyed it despite not really caring about the music.
|2013-04-03, 07:48
|Link #3788
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Age: 29
I'm pretty much with sa47. Don't really see any reason to dislike the group. As far as I can tell, a lot of the themes of the anime of ordinary girls aiming for their dreams while carrying both friendship and rivalry towards each other are pretty true to life. On top of that the girls seem to be allowed to be pretty free/genuine with the yuri. While I'm not really remotely familiar with idols or the popular music industry (of any country), it does seem to me as if AKB48 are pretty unique/special in that you get to see more of their real personality and are encouraged to root for/get to know the members on a more personal, individual basis.
The concept of the group as a whole, and the individual girls as performers, are all pretty sympathetic to me. The only reason I haven't dived into fandom for the group is pretty much because I'm not particularly into popular music in general, and that I already have so many other interests in other directions that I can't really afford to get into another thing on a passionate level. However, if there's one thing I'm grateful to this anime for doing it would be for giving me an opportunity to learn more about the source.
|2013-04-03, 10:05
|Link #3790
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Philippines
Age: 42
(slightly off-topic) I admit, what is more fascinating about the real-life pop group isn't just the songs (yes, I have some favorite AKB songs, for I still possess tolerance for pop music despite preference for 90's rock, Eric Clapton and Creedence Clearwater Revival), but through their blogs, Twitter, and G+... I'll never know whether it was done with intent or not but their descriptions of simple everyday life makes it all the more compelling to observe their progress as persons than any of the so-called "reality TV" shows; that is, nothing artificial nor any overt displays of ego or material wealth but rather the sincerity expressed by the girls, which is seemingly absent in most of today's entertainers (and also the WWE).
|2013-04-03, 14:10
|Link #3791
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
Age: 27
To be brutally honest, i just ended up hating this show and think little of the group itself. I don't want to be a killjoy though (which is why I didn't post much since i had little good to say about it. XP) so I'll put my thoughts in spoiler tags but I'm just warning people now that it's pretty negative.
Spoiler for rant:
|2013-04-03, 15:27
|Link #3792
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Brazil
A pity this girl was like the other 10 just background character (and even on the background they appeared rarely). From her looks she seems to be a cool character. Also curious why exactly her number is 7.5.
|2013-04-03, 15:37
|Link #3793
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2009
the mystery number? LOL
(maybe to symbolize her being in the middle - IE: not popular enough to be shown in front,
but not weak enough to be shown as developing)
It's like she's just... "normal"
O yea, I never mentioned this, but I actually didn't watch season 1 until like a month ago (which is than I did a marathon and watch the entire season 1 + up to current season 2 episodes)
Reason why I didn't watch season 1 before was because it didn't look that interesting to me back than, Idols in Space with Mechas, was the line that drew me away (+ I wanted AKB49 to be animated instead, LOL)
|2013-04-03, 22:04
|Link #3794
Join Date: Apr 2009
I thought the first season was better too, I feel like the second season got a little sidetracked and the ending got really rushed a result. It wasn't bad, and the General Election was pretty entertaining (if a little long) but I guess I just wished there would have been a 3rd season instead of cramming as many plot resolutions as they could in that last episode.
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|2013-04-03, 22:54
|Link #3795
Join Date: Oct 2006
I, myself, after re-watching the final episode, also think that this is more likey to be the finale of one arc (Akibastar Arc / Center Nova Arc), not the entire serie.
There are many things unresolved.
Some of them:
- Takamina & Kanata
- Sono Papa assasination
- Entertainment-ban
|2013-04-04, 00:03
|Link #3797
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Philippines
Age: 42
I hope the home releases, both BD and DVD, should be director's cuts in which anything that was left out in the broadcast are included, or expanded upon on which to answer pertinent questions; we can't rely on the manga quartet as, um, "canon" because those are spinoffs based on the show.
Also, there's probably a reason why the writing rule of "show, don't tell" isn't utilized in this case (which could've removed the infodumps and the filler so that many questions can be answered): one of the primary purposes of the show is to educate non-fans, try to gain a wider audience other than anime or wota fans, and provide a little light to some (but not all) characters.
If "show, don't tell" were to be strictly used, this show would probably appeal only to the hardcore, all the while much of the theme and messages would be lost on its intended target audience of casual anime viewers.
|2013-04-04, 04:18
|Link #3798
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Location: Brazil
|2013-04-04, 08:07
|Link #3799
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Philippines
Age: 42
All right, that'll be one of those odd production decisions in which they were included simply to fill out the seats.
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|Hey thanks. I like the vibe there, did you just add the hood scoop, or is that a whole new hood all together? Curious to know if you had any mod's under the hood, and if you have any insight on prices and what not in the vancouver area. So far your the first in the vancouver area ive noticed around here. Im managed to find some parts from the states, but nothing worth while here.
Hey there sorry about that, been busy.
To answer your questions the hood is modified not a whole new hood, and yes I do have mods under the hood (gotta be able to back up the look) haha. I buy my parts from the lowest priced person. I search out what I want and then look for the cheapest seller...whether that's local or through e-bay.
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A Toast for Totalitarians
Page One
The tenth anniversary of Nicaragua's
ill-fated Sandinista revolution coincided with the tenth anniversary of
favorable reporting on the communist government's intentions. On July
20, Washington Post reporters Julia Preston and Lee Hockstadter,
for example, saw Ortega's dictatorship not as the realization of
communist doctrine, but a temporary inconvenience caused by the Contra
war, driving the Sandinistas to "radicalize their revolution,
sharply curtailing civil liberties and starting down the path to
socialism. Since 1987, they have stepped back from their hardest
Preston's tilt was no surprise: before
joining the Post, Preston wrote for the Pacific News Service,
an arm of the far-left Institute for Policy Studies, and for the
pro-Castro North American Congress on Latin America.
ABC News correspondent Peter Collins also
trumpeted the Sandinista version of history: "They brought with
them Marxist ideas about spreading wealth and creating a new, unselfish
society. And in the first few years, they did manage to reduce
illiteracy, the infant death rate, and launched the biggest land reform
in Central America. But the Reagan Administration saw the Sandinistas as
a threat and forced them into a war with the U.S.- backed Contras."
J.D. Gannon of The Christian Science Monitor found the
Sandinistas have "avoided the systematic violent excesses of their
U.S.-supported neighbors...Nicaragua is the only country in Central
America which vigorously prosecutes some of its own soldiers and
Preston and Hockstadter heard only kind
words in Ortega's July 19 speech: "President Daniel Ortega struck a
new conciliatory tone and appealed for national 'serenity'...Today,
Ortega again reached out to his political opposition." But New
York Times reporter Mark Uhlig heard something else: "'UNO is
nothing...UNO is nothing'...The partisan rhyme, which was repeated
throughout the speech and shouted back by the audience at Mr. Ortega's
invitation, gave unusual prominence to the opposition coalition."
Washington Times reporter Peter
LaBarbera focused on a La Prensa poll showing 61 percent of
Nicaraguans would say no to six more years of Ortega. But CBS reporter
Doug Tunnell predicted on Sunday Morning July 23 that "if
there were to be an election right now, Ortega would win." Does
Nicaragua threaten the U.S.? No, they're more interested in
"feeding and caring for their own people, keeping their promise of
ten years ago, a revolution for the poor." He admitted "They
haven't done that yet," but insisted "that's their number one
Revolving Door
Writing Reagan.
Simon and Schuster has hired Robert Lindsey, West Coast Bureau Chief for
The New York Times for over a decade, to help former President
Ronald Reagan put together his memoirs. Lindsey wrote The Falcon and
the Snowman in 1979 and a book last year on the Mormon murders for
the same publisher. Reagan's book is expected sometime in 1991.
Riegle Service. Karolyn
Wallace, a KABC-TV general assignment reporter for the past two years,
is the new Press Secretary to Senator Don Riegle, a liberal Michigan
Democrat. Before traveling to Los Angeles, Wallace spent four years as a
reporter for WJRT-TV in Flint, Michigan.
Wallace replaces Mike Russell, Riegle's
Press Secretary for nine years. Before coming to D.C. Russell worked as
assignment manager for then ABC owned WXYZ-TV in Detroit. A few months
ago Russell took the press job in the office of U.S. Representative Bill
Ford (D-Mich.). Like Wallace, he also once worked for Flint's WJRT.
A Progressive Position.
From 1972 to 1973 Robert Shapiro was a Fellow with the far-left
Institute for Policy Studies. Now 16 years later Shapiro is back with a
think tank. He's Vice President of the newly formed Progressive Policy
Institute, a group founded by former Democratic Leadership Council
officials. In between, Shapiro was Legislative Director for Senator
Patrick Moynihan and spent four years as an U.S. News & World
Report Associate Editor, a position he left last year to join the
Dukakis campaign as Deputy Issues Director.
NBC's New York Law. NBC
has appointed a new Executive Vice President and general counsel for the
company: Richard Cotton, a long-time Washington lawyer. Cotton served as
Executive Secretary to Carter's Health, Education and Welfare Secretary
Joseph Califano until 1979 when he jumped to the Department of Energy as
special counsel to Deputy Secretary John Sawhill.
From Cincinnati Post to
D.C. Post. Claudia Winkler, a publications editor for the
moderate to conservative American Enterprise Institute from 1975 to
1982, has been named chief editorial writer in Washington, D.C. for the
Scripps-Howard newspaper chain. After writing Cincinnati Post
editorials for two years, in 1985 the Scripps-Howard owned newspaper
promoted her to editorial page editor, a position she held until this
Cable News to Senate News.
Kristy Schantz, a writer for CNN's Headline News cable channel, has
joined former Associated Press reporter Bill Ritz on Senator Herbert
Kohl's staff. She's now working for Ritz as the Wisconsin Democrat's
Deputy Press Secretary. Schantz spent two years in Atlanta during which
time, the Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call reported, she helped
cover the Democratic National Convention.
Janet Cooke Award
The Supreme Court's Webster vs.
Reproductive Health Services decision has sent abortion proponents
and opponents scurrying to the grass roots in an effort to persuade
local constituencies of their cause. But pro-abortion forces, with huge
financial backing and a media sympathetic to their cause, now have cable
guru Ted Turner and his vast, supposedly objective telecommunications
empire behind their cause. Through Cable News Network, Headline News,
and Superstation TBS, Turner stands to make a significant impact on the
His new 30 minute documentary Abortion:
For Survival (which aired July 20, 22, and 23 on TBS) is the latest
of many Turner programs supporting abortion. Its blatantly pro-abortion
stance earns Turner the August Janet Cooke Award.
Turner has crafted a clever way to spread
his political views through his media outlets. By chairing the Better
World Society (BWS), Turner has aired more than 35 leftist and
pro-Soviet documentaries and commercials on TBS and CNN. Through
contractual agreements BWS produces these advocacy programs, which are
then aired free of charge on Turner networks. In cooperation with the
International Planned Parenthood Federation, BWS produced and TBS aired Increase
and Multiply? in 1987.
BWS is so committed to abortion that Zhou
Boping, Vice Chairman of the China Family Planning Association (CFPA),
sits on its Board of Directors. The CFPA enforces the regime's
one-child-per- family population control program which has led to more
than ten million forced abortions per year. Nevertheless, BWS awarded
CFPA one of its 1988 Better World Medals.
Abortion: For Survival is the
most recent BWS initiative to promote abortion. Explaining the need for
the program, Turner stated recently: "I am alarmed that forces
opposed to birth control are growing in strength, even while explosive
population growth overwhelms the developing world. Political efforts in
the United States to block family planning assistance, including legal
access to abortion, adversely affect vitally needed family planning and
population stabilization programs throughout the world."
The program was co-produced with Eleanor
Smeal's Fund for The Feminist Majority. The video opens with an
actual abortion. Once the minute-long procedure is completed, the woman
declares: "To lawmakers, I would like to say that there are
hundreds of thousands of women whose lives are being affected. It's not
a political thing, it's not a philosophical thing. It's women's
The abortion documentary viciously
attacks the pro-life movement: "In what could be termed a rash of
domestic terrorism, factions in the anti-abortion minority have turned
to tactics of increasing violence and harassment."
By twisting and distorting the facts, the
video also attempted to translate the goal of abortion on demand in
America to the world arena: "The World Health Organization
estimates that 430 million people do not have enough to eat and suffer
from malnutrition... Abortion is a necessity for millions of women
world-wide....In a civilized society we owe women the right to make this
decision safely. It is a matter of survival....We have forgotten that
this is a moral right."
BWS put together an hour-long discussion
to follow the documentary including abortion opponents Congressman
Robert Dornan and Nellie Gray, and abortion supporters Smeal and Planned
Parenthood's Faye Wattleton. But were Turner and BWS really interested
in an unbiased, balanced presentation in its panel follow-up? Turner
certainly wasn't, commenting: "We'll give the other bozos a chance
to talk back. They look like idiots anyway."
BWS hired liberal commentator Martin
Agronsky to moderate. He weighted the panel to the pro-abortion side,
repeatedly asking leading questions such as "If abortion and birth
control become illegal in more countries, and birth rates go up, how
will we handle the increased competition for finite resources?"
Between panel segments, actress Margot Kidder, in free ad time, told
television viewers BWS "believes that all women must have access to
all available methods for controlling their own fertility, including
To balance Abortion: For Survival,
Gray asked BWS to also air a pro-life documentary, either Eclipse of
Reason or its predecessor The Silent Scream. Gray's
request was denied, according to BWS Associate Director Victoria Markell
because "We had already determined the format of the program."
TBS publicist Kirsten White was not aware of the request but said that
TBS Executive Vice President Bob Levy, "in conjunction with Ted
Turner," would have the "final say so." White claimed:
"At this point, we feel that the panel discussion that is being
produced to follow it up will give ample opportunity to both sides to
discuss the issue."
TBS officials jockeyed to paint the
presentation as balanced through ads on TBS and CNN, but Turner admitted
at a recent shareholders meeting that his personal feelings play a role
in what is aired. Turner, who controls 61 percent of Turner Broadcasting
stock, proceeded to defeat a proposed resolution that would guarantee
"equitable" distribution of free airtime.
That's in keeping with Turner's "no
holds barred" attitude toward broadcasting and public opinion
making. It's also allowable in a free and democratic society. But while
Turner can propagandize, viewers can also refuse his propaganda. When
you view Abortion: For Survival, keep in mind the Better World
Society's goals. Remember that Turner and his networks may be the
greatest asset ever to the pro-abortion forces. Remember that you
control your television sets, not Turner.
Last year the Newspaper Guild, the union representing over 25,000
reporters across the country, endorsed Michael Dukakis for President. At
this year's national convention in Albany the reporters made clear who
they favor for 1992. "Hundreds of newsmen shelved their
objectivity," began a June 21 United Press International story,
"and gave a standing ovation to New York Governor Mario Cuomo who
appeared dumbstruck when one reporter...shouted 'Mario in '92.'"
Another reporter repeated the phrase a bit later, "triggering yet
another outburst of applause."
Disappointed Guild President Charles Dale
introduced Cuomo: "I wish I had the permission to introduce him
today as the next President of United States, but I don't."
The reporters had a politically active
meeting. Media columnist Cliff Kincaid reported that the Guild
"passed a resolution supporting abortion rights and it joined the
ACLU and other groups in a brief attacking the Missouri law restricting
abortions recently upheld by the Supreme Court."
When President Bush announced his Clean Air Program on July 21, CBS and
NBC presented liberal environmentalists as the only legitimate critics
of the plan. Saying "critics call it a bill right out of the Reagan
Administration," NBC's Jim Miklaszewski claimed environmentalists
thought Bush "had bowed to industry pressure to dilute it." On
CBS the same day, Lesley Stahl echoed that complaint: "The
President watered down his plan by compromising with industry on car
emissions, the major contributor to urban smog." Stahl added:
"But overall, the critics charge, the bill isn't strong enough to
achieve healthy air by the year 2000." The two stories included
seven comments from Congressmen. Only one defended Bush's plan.
In a column the same week, economics
writer Warren Brookes analyzed the estimated cost to industry: about
$400 billion over the next 20 years. But CBS and NBC never contemplated
the effects on American business and the inevitable loss of jobs: not
one industry spokesman got time to comment.
gloomy report today on housing for the nation's poor and
minorities," Dan Rather intoned on the July 10 CBS Evening News.
"It's a simple equation, and a recipe for disaster," reported
CBS correspondent Mark Phillips. "A study by a Washington research
group has shown that while in the 1970's, there were roughly enough
low-rent housing units for the poor, through the '80s, the number of
poor has increased by 25 percent while low rent units have dropped by 20
But according to page 10 of this
"gloomy report" by the liberal Center for Budget and Policy
Priorities, the number of low-rent units declined 19 percent since 1970,
not 1980. "It should be noted that the decline...was greatest
between 1970 and 1978," the report stated. When asked to explain
the discrepancy, Phillips told MediaWatch that
"the base points of the study were not identical," so "we
kind of fudged" the statistics to "stay honest to the general
"Ralph Nader is a legend, perhaps the only universally recognized
symbol of pure honesty and clean energy left in a culture that, after
being shot through with greed, cynicism and weariness, is oddly proud of
its hardened self," Marc Fisher wrote in a fawning July 23 Washington
Post Magazine profile story. "Two decades after he slew
General Motors," the Post reporter gushed, Nader "is
a reminder of what we once hoped to be." Fisher made no effort to
contain his admiration. "He might as well be Moses, judging from
the reception he gets on the road," began one paragraph.
"Ralph Nader is a simple old- fashioned man," he declared a
bit later, adding, "he may be the only person in the country who
uses carbon paper."
"Now the nation's voice of honest
progress is looking homeward," Fisher began the last paragraph.
"Ralph Nader's America is a paradise lost, a nation that has taken
the simple, good ways of its past and poisoned them with greed and
Earlier Fisher explained that "if
Nader's work is his wife, reporters are his mistresses. Nader says
little of what he has accomplished could have happened without committed
newspeople who spread his message." Fisher should know.
For a textbook example of the excesses of front-page "news
analysis," check the July 8 Los Angeles Times.
Correspondent Michael Parks announced that "With the same vigor and
vision with which he has set about reforming the Soviet Union, President
Mikhail S. Gorbachev is now embarked on reshaping Europe for the 21st
To Parks, this does not mean reshaping
Western Europe into Eastern Europe. In fact, Parks reported, "He
has no blueprint for the new Europe, no plan for what he calls 'the
common European home,' not even an agenda for negotiations beyond broad
topics such as disarmament, environmental protection, and economic
cooperation...What Gorbachev is offering is his own relentless
energy." In between sentences like these, Parks quoted paragraph
after paragraph from Kremlin officials and Gorbachev speeches. It begs
the question: Does repeating Soviet rhetoric without looking at Soviet
reality qualify as "analysis" -- or demonstrate the lack of
it? "Deeds, not words," some skeptics may demand, but for some
reporters, words alone will do.
After the gun turret on the USS Iowa exploded ABC and CBS repeatedly
talked with Admiral Gene LaRocque of the Center for Defense Information.
On the April 20 Good Morning America he called the 16-inch guns
antiquated, just like "the old-fashioned muskets in the
Revolutionary War." LaRocque was also featured on ABC's World
News Tonight and Nightline. The next morning, Admiral
LaRocque reversed himself on CBS This Morning, claiming the
Iowa's aging technology was "too complicated for new crews to
operate." The only consistency the networks seemed to care about
was LaRocque's criticism of the naval equipment.
On July 18, NBC's Fred Francis was the
only network correspondent to report what an official naval
investigation had determined: "The Navy has ruled out mechanical
malfunctions, accidental detonations, electrical flaws, and all other
technical reasons for the tragedy." Francis said the Navy found
"compelling circumstantial evidence that the horrific explosion was
an act of suicide." Not surprisingly, ABC and CBS ignored the
DUPE FOR KOOP. With
Surgeon General C. Everett Koop's stay in Washington at an end, ABC's
Dr. Tim Johnson produced a fawning review of his favorite enlightened
conservative. Throughout his July 14 20/20 story, Johnson
focused on Koop's clashes with the "far right." In fact,
Johnson refused to refer to conservatives who disapproved of Koop's
actions concerning AIDS and abortion as anything but "far
Concerning Koop's report on AIDS, which
encouraged the use of condoms to avoid the disease, "the reaction
from the far right was predictable. To this day, Dr. Koop is astounded
by the vehemence of the reaction." Johnson wondered "why
couldn't the far right see the distinction you were making between
[homosexuals] and the activity?" Koop's answer was that there is
"a true hatred of homosexuals" among conservatives.
STAHL'S ALL FOR TAXES. "Won't
it become necessary to raise taxes? Isn't that just a bald truth?"
CBS News White House correspondent Lesley Stahl posed those questions to
Office of Management and Budget Director Richard Darman on the July 23 Face
the Nation. "All we keep doing," Stahl complained,
"is cutting the domestic budget because taxes aren't being asked
Stahl's tax advocacy can't be dismissed
as mere goading by a sharp interviewer. Three days later, reporting the
"news" from the White House lawn, Stahl pushed the tax button
again. "Pressure for increased spending," Stahl charged on the
July 26 Evening News, leads to the "inevitable question:
will the President be forced to go to the public and say 'we have to pay
for what we owe?'" Guess what Stahl said "that means."
You guessed it: "taxes."
LEFTY LINDSEY. Lindsey
Gruson's July 21 New York Times report mourning the dim
prospects for collective farming in El Salvador cast the proposed
free-market reforms in a leftist light. Headlined "For the Peasants
of El Salvador, Promised Land Seems to Recede," Gruson reported
fears that "the oligarchy, a tiny group of intermarried families
that have traditionally run El Salvador as a personal profit center,
will be allowed to reimpose its iron-fisted control over the
agricultural-based economy."
Gruson's bias was also apparent in his
use of labels: "President Cristiani and extreme rightists blame
land redistribution for the drop in agricultural output." Land
owner Orlando de Sola is "a pillar of the oligarchy and one of the
country's most extreme rightists...who sometimes calls himself a
monarchist." Gruson pointed out that de Sola's estate is patrolled
by machine-gun carrying guards, maintaining "The brewing campaign
against the land program reflects the newfound confidence of the often
violent right."
By contrast, communist guerrilla Joaquin
Villalobos, a spokesman for the often violent left, was introduced
simply as "the senior rebel commander" and the author of a
recent article in the American journal Foreign Policy.
Trying to prove that the pen really is mightier than the sword, Time
magazine used its First Amendment rights to attack the Second Amendment.
The July 17 cover story, "7 Deadly Days," presented 464
pictures on 25 pages of Americans who died from gunshot wounds during
the week of May 1-7, along with two pages of interpretation.
"I remembered back in 1969 Life
magazine did a similar project with Vietnam," Senior Editor Terry
Zintl recalled during the July 11 Good Morning America,
"It brought home the human cost of that war, and I thought that
this would be a very good way of bringing home the human toll of
guns....I hope it'll get some other people angry about the number of gun
deaths." Time compared the gun deaths to the 48,700 deaths
annually from automobile accidents: all 'victims' of inanimate objects.
But were the 464 gun deaths all 'victims' of inanimate objects?
Well...no. In fact, 216, (about 47 percent) of the dead committed
suicide, a very deliberate, conscious act. Whose fault is this? Time
quoted the son of a woman who committed suicide, "Mom died
that day because of the totally irresponsible attitude that we Americans
have developed about gun use and ownership." Time agreed,
adding, "Every week, more American families are exposed to that
irreversible lesson."
BIBLE! Don't expect to hear or see much of the Bible on Good
Morning America, at least judging by the experience of conservative
syndicated columnist Cal Thomas. In June Thomas wrote a column on the
San Francisco "domestic partnership" law. GMA
producer Sue Hester read the piece (in which Thomas quoted one Bible
verse) and invited him to appear to discuss the new law conferring legal
status to homosexual couples. As Thomas was about to leave home for the
show, Hester called Thomas to say ABC had chosen someone else to appear.
Hester explained a more senior producer "was concerned you might
quote some Bible verses." Thomas called this producer, Rickie
Gaffney, who refused to deny Hester had quoted her accurately.
Minutes commentator Andy Rooney thinks communism has gotten a bum
rap: "Communism got in with a bad crowd when it was young and never
had a fair chance," Rooney wrote in a June 26 Op-Ed piece for The
New York Times.
According to Rooney, "the original
communist philosophy may have been wrong, but they didn't plan it as a
totalitarian system... Communist governments have been dominated by men,
not Marxist ideals." Rooney explained that the "communist idea
of creating a society in which everyone does his best for the good of
everyone is appealing and fundamentally a more uplifting idea than
Rooney conceded that "communism's
only real weakness seems to be that it doesn't work," but Rooney
had less kind words to say about capitalism: "It seems sad and sort
of a spiritual defeat for us all that an economic system based on doing
it for No. 1 is more successful than one based on a noble ideal."
Unthreatened by Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev's 1956 threat, "We
will bury you," Rooney confidently contended, "Mr. Khrushchev
didn't mean anything more evil than that communism would be the winner
over capitalism in the competition to do the best for the most people in
the world." Besides, Rooney concluded, "They aren't burying
us; we're burying them. But it's no reason to gloat."
Speaking of Rooney, ever wonder why reporters select liberal groups as
sources? Look to the July/August Washington Journalism Review (WJR)
and its annual "Directory of Selected News Sources." Listed
under Magazines: The New Republic and The
Nation (but not National Review). Under Medical/Health
Care, National Abortion Rights Action League and Planned
Parenthood of America, Inc. (but not any pro-life groups).
Under Women/Minorities:
the National Organization for Women and the Women's Legal Defense Fund
(but not Concerned Women for America). Under Special
Interest/Social Issues: Common Cause, the American Civil
Liberties Union, Amnesty International USA, the Association of Community
Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the Children's Defense Fund,
Handgun Control Inc., the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, People
for the American Way, SANE/FREEZE, and the Union of Concerned Scientists
(but only two conservative organizations, the National Rifle Association
and the National Right to Life Committee).
What criteria does WJR use to
choose its listings? Advertising Coordinator Lisa Jordan told MediaWatch
that WJR does its own research, takes referrals from its
editorial staff, and accepts some requests that are sent in. Jordan
explained inclusion is based on "how beneficial the source would be
for a working journalist." Why are there so few conservative
groups? Says Jordan, "A lot of the time we just don't have space
available." Not even for the Heritage Foundation, the largest
conservative think tank? "It's evidently not one we are familiar
Time Reporter Misleads
The Time - RNC Saga
Last month MediaWatch
awarded its Janet Cooke Award to Time magazine for its vicious,
double-barreled assault on Republican National Committee Chairman Lee
Atwater. An article titled "How to Spread a Smear" by Senior
Writer Margaret Carlson blamed Atwater for the now famous Foley memo.
Both the press and congressional Democrats charged the memorandum was a
smear on Foley's character because it compared his liberal voting record
to self-proclaimed gay representative Barney Frank. An accompanying
editorial insert box "Sorry Is Not Enough" called Atwater a
"muck maven" and demanded that President Bush "sack"
him. Senior Editor Terry Zintl told MediaWatch
that National Correspondent Larry Barrett penned the un-bylined
Since that time, MediaWatch
has learned more about the story. Its competitors, U.S. News
and Newsweek, were spending hours on the phone interviewing
both Atwater and RNC Chief of Staff Mary Matalin, but not one Time
reporter ever bothered to call the RNC to discuss the Foley memo. And
there's more: when asked if she had spoken with anyone at Time after
the June 19 article came out, Matalin told MediaWatch:
"Yes, both Lee and I spoke with Barrett who said 'Had I been there
[in Washington], this would never have happened.'" That's before
she knew Barrett had written the editorial box. "Barrett definitely
tried to lead Lee and me to believe he had nothing to do with the
articles. No question about it," Matalin stated.
Barrett declined to talk to MediaWatch
about the specifics of the editorial: "That's between them and me,
rather than them, and you, and me." Did he mislead Atwater and
Matalin? Barrett claimed: "When they complained to me later about
the lack of contact, I did tell them had I been there it would have been
different. I did not tell them that the tone of the finished product or
products would have been different."
That Atwater was never interviewed is
poor journalism. That Barrett would write an unsigned editorial and
subsequently try to convince his target he had nothing to do with it, is
unethical. So much for openness and honesty at Time.
Magazine Shows Which
Side It's On
In its first issue following the Supreme
Court's Webster decision, Newsweek took an in-depth look at
abortion -- from the pro-abortion side. In framing the issue, focusing
the problem, and choosing experts, Newsweek showed its clear
preference for the issues and language of legal abortion advocates.
1. Framing the Debate.
Reporter Ann McDaniel framed the abortion question as "a woman's
right to make one of the larger decisions of her life" and
"women who each year choose abortion as the best way to resolve
their personal dilemmas."
McDaniel labeled the two sides in the
abortion debate "conservatives and opponents of abortion" and
"women's rights activists," ignoring the "liberal"
label for the pro-abortion side. Chief Justice Rehnquist's opinion
"chilled abortion advocates everywhere," but McDaniel left out
that those same words cheered pro-life advocates.
Ironically, in its boxed note on home
abortions, Newsweek slipped. "Do-it-yourself abortion is
hazardous to your health," read the headline. But whose health?
"Sadly," the article read, "many home remedies could
damage a fetus instead of kill it."
2. Focusing the Problem.
Throughout the article, the magazine's reporting matched the statements
by "pro-choice" sources. Planned Parenthood's Matty Bloom
decried "a two-tiered system where women with means can fly to
exercise their freedom of choice, whereas those without means are forced
into childbearing." Newsweek echoed those thoughts:
"With Webster the court has further limited the access of poor
people" to abortion. In other words, state strictures "will
have their greatest effect upon the poor, the young, and the
The article went on: "poor women
will again bear the brunt of such regulation," "pro-choice
advocates argue that banning public facilities is tantamount to
eliminating abortions for many poor or young women" and "the
young and the poor would e affected most adversely." So Newsweek
concluded, "the court's rulings could make it all but impossible
for poor women or teenagers to get abortions."
3. Use of Sources. Newsweek
devoted five pages to state-level restrictions on abortion.
Americans United for Life got two quotes; a spokesman for Florida's
Right to Life was quoted once, as was a "right-to-life
legislator." But those wanting abortion legal were quoted a total
of ten times, twice as often as the pro-life side.
On May 29, House Speaker Jim Wright was
about to resign. CBS asked correspondent Eric Engberg to give his
perspective on the evolving story. "Politics didn't just turn ugly.
It evolved from a nasty presidential campaign that featured the GOP's
famous Willie Horton ad," he explained. This deft transformation of
a liberal complaint into a statement of fact is typical of what viewers
can expect from Engberg.
analysts reviewed a year of Engberg's reports (July 1, 1988 to June 30,
1989), including 59 on the CBS Evening News. This review
demonstrates that whenever possible, Engberg adds a liberal spin to
major news events and files pieces on liberal agenda items no other
network finds important enough to cover. Here are some representative
examples of Engberg at work:
THE CAMPAIGN. The
majority of Engberg's reports in the last half of 1988 focused on the
"nasty" presidential campaign. Engberg regularly accused Vice
President George Bush of leveling personal attacks on Governor Michael
Dukakis. On August 8, for instance, he reported: "Bush continued to
pound Michael Dukakis personally, implying that the Democrats' wide lead
in the polls stems from ducking the issues."
Engberg also pounced on October 22, when
Bush disavowed an Illinois pamphlet suggesting criminals favored Dukakis,
asserting "It's one of the few times Bush has publicly voiced any
doubts about the pit-bull style Republican campaign. But he showed no
signs this week of deviating from a harsh personal-attack style."
Observing Bush on the stump during a November 4 campaign swing, Engberg
reported: "The headline in the pro-Bush Boston tabloid [Boston
Herald] told of bank overdrafts by the state covered by borrowing.
Bush, without taking note of the fact that the federal deficit is now
$155 billion, acted like an outraged prosecutor." "Bush's
read-all-about-it act with the anti-Duke headline may have pleased the
crowd," Engberg snidely concluded, "but the big draw was 7,000
free lunches handed out after he left."
IRAN-CONTRA. As the
Oliver North trial came to an end, Engberg preferred liberal lectures
over a balanced presentation of prosecution and defense. When the
verdict came in on May 4, he pieced together his lesson of Iran-Contra
with video of Reagan Administration figures: "Once secrecy is
embraced, rather than public debate and compromise, the freewheeling
covert operators can do as they wish because an invisible policy can't
be questioned...But secrecy leads to deception...Deception leads to
lies...Lies tear apart the rule of law...Could it happen again? Scholars
say yes, until Presidents accept the need to compromise with
Later, on a CBS News special report,
Engberg asked a second time: "Can it happen again? If secrecy and
misleading Congress worked once," Engberg began, letting Democrat
Clark Clifford finish the sentence "...There is no absolute
guarantee to keep it from happening again. It depends upon the
acceptance by a President of our system of laws."
A month earlier, his liberal perspective
on the world even led to factual inaccuracy. On April 6 he charged:
"George Bush as Vice President carried promises of U.S. aid to the
military dictatorship of Honduras," misleading viewers about a
government that's been elected democratically since 1981.
EXCLUSIVES. Engberg
never produced a story based on a conservative agenda concern. On a few
occasions, however, Engberg filed stories on activities of liberal
organizations, focusing attention on subjects not considered newsworthy
by the other networks. On June 13, Engberg reported left-wing attacks on
corporate support for university research. "Corporate giving to
universities is more like give and take....to the point that critics
worry the pursuit of knowledge is losing out to the pursuit of
Engberg interviewed Leonard Minsky of the
Coalition for Universities in the Public Interest, who said "With
the advent of money and greed in the university, the ethics of Wall
Street have also invaded the university." Engberg's strange
conclusion: "Congress is also concerned about taxpayer money being
lost. After all, universities are kept afloat with federal dollars,
money that's supposed to benefit the public, not some bottom line."
This past Spring, the left-wing
Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) advocated
adding money for low-income housing to the S&L bailout bill by
occupying federally owned housing. "If taxpayers are going to kick
in $40 billion, they argue, then the whole structure of financing homes
should be made to benefit the little guy, the idea behind savings and
loans in the first place," Engberg explained in an April 12 story.
Engberg ended the report: "As the Congress races to do something,
the process of writing the bill has turned into what one House staffer
calls chaos. Activists hope to take advantage of that and push for
changes in a system they claim locks the little guy out of the housing
On the eve of President Bush's first
State of the Union address February 9, Engberg again served as the CBS
spin doctor: "As George Bush presents his priorities tonight,
there's evidence in this poll and elsewhere that the nation will respond
to a very American idea: that their government by the people sometimes
must act boldly for the people." The CBS poll found support for the
"very American idea" of more government social spending: 55
percent in favor of government day care, 66 percent for more student
aid, and 71 percent for nursing home care.
To explain these liberal causes, Engberg
brought on liberal economist Robert Reischauer (then with the Brookings
Institution and now the Director of the Democratic majority's
Congressional Budget Office) and labor economist Audrey Freedman, who
said "I think the country's beginning to develop a sense of guilt
after eight years of saying 'I don't care. I feel good, and I don't
The journalist's only value is
credibility. Engberg cannot maintain his credibility if he continues to
promote liberal ideology as news reporting. An ongoing record of bias,
of turning liberal interpretations into facts and liberal causes into
feature stories, leading even to factual inaccuracy should bring into
question the credibility of this network correspondent.
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KINGSTON, Jamaica (AP) — A former Northern Ireland police ombudsman says Jamaican security forces must significantly curb fatal shootings of civilians if they want islanders to trust them.
Nuala O'Loan says there is, in her words, an "unparalleled level of police shootings in Jamaica." The former Northern Ireland investigator says she has never seen "police fatal shootings in the way I have seen them here."
She says there were 147 fatal shootings by Jamaican police between January and June of this year. In 2012, Jamaican security forces killed 219 people, nine more than in 2011.
Human rights activists have repeatedly criticized the number of shootings by Jamaica's police.
A commission that investigates allegations of abuse by Jamaican forces released a Monday statement with the comments made by O'Loan in a speech at Montego Bay.


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BC beats UMass-Lowell, 4-3
Boston College's Thatcher Demko stopped the puck, but not UMass-Lowell's Adam Chapie, from sliding into the net. The Eagles took on the River Hawks in the NCAA Northeast Regional final on Sunday.
Michael Matheson controlled the puck in front of Connor Hellebuyck and Dyaln Zink.
Connor Hellebuyck made a save in the second period.
Ian McCoshen took down Evan Campbell in front of the Eagles' Thatcher Demko.
Bill Arnold was called for a penalty as he took down Joe Gambardella during first-period action.
The Eagles' Isaac MacLeod battled with Adam Chapie.
Steve Santani (right) and Joe Gambardella battled for control of the puck.
Johnny Gaudreau's shot was blocked by Connor Hellebuyck.
The Eagles celebrated Bill Arnold's goal, with Johnny Gaudreau's assist, in the second period.
Bill Arnold led his teammates to the bench after scoring.
Teddy Doherty took a shot against the River Hawks.
Ryan Fitzgerald beat Connor Hellebuyck to tie the game in the third period.
Teddy Doherty cleared the puck out of his defensive zone with pressure from Evan Campbell.
The Eagles' Thatcher Demko denied Josh Holmstrom a shot at a goal in the third period.
Ian McCoshen celebrated his game-winning goal with teammates Teddy Doherty (center) and Bill Arnold.
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10 Best First Date Conversation Starters
So what are the 10 best first date conversation starters? The first date can be an awkward experience. In this day and age, women can't just expect the man to start all the conversations. Women should go into the date with some great conversation starters for those awkward quiet moments on the first date.
- Do you have any pets? This is a great first date conversation starter. Those who have pets are usually very passionate about them. This could lead to an entertaining conversation.
- Do you like sports? This is usually a hot topic with men. This is also great if you happen to have an interest in a sport or two as well.
- Where were you on September 11, 2001? This conversation might be too deep for the very beginning of the date, but it's sure to start an interesting dialogue. Everybody remembers where they were on that day.
- What's the longest you've ever waited in line and what was it for? This could begin a great conversation about a crazy night sleeping on the pavement for the perfect concert tickets. This is one of the great first date conversation starters.
- Tell me all about the different places you've worked. This can be a great way to learn about your date's sense of responsibility. You can learn where he has worked and how long he typically stays at a job.
- What was your first car? Everybody remembers their first car. Most of these stories involve funny memories of being stuck on the side of the road.
- Do you have any hobbies? Hobbies can tell a lot about a person, making it a great first date conversation starter.
- What is the dumbest thing you've ever done? This is sure to start an interesting and hopefully entertaining conversation.
- If you found $100, what would you do with it? This is a great way to find out a little about the other person's character in a light-hearted way.
- What is your idea of a perfect day? This seems like an overused question, but it's really one of the best first date conversation starters. Try and get more than just the person's favorite weather. Try to get to the bottom of what they truly enjoy out of life. This will really give you a feel of who the person is in front of you.
Always try to have things to say to the person you are going on a date with. These are some of the best first date conversation starters. Use some or all of these to avoid all those awkward silences.
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Cobra Spotlight
The "Cobra Spotlight" is a weekly highlight of a student-athlete at Coker College. Each week we take a different athlete from a different sport and display some facets to get more familiar with them. This week we take a look at Andre Staab, Martin Moncayo, Jessi Campos and Kyria Borelli, members of the men's and women's tennis teams. Read more…
- This week's matches:
- Thursday at 7:00 p.m. (A) – Anderson
- Last week's matches:
- Belmont Abbey (W) – 28-15
- Tiffin (W) – 34-15
- Shippensburg (W) – 18-17
- Findlay (L) – 24-21
- Indianapolis (L) – 32-12
- The Cobras picked up wins against three regionally ranked opponents last week; No. 15 Belmont Abbey (28-15), No. 11 Tiffin (34-15) and No. 7 Shippensburg (18-17). This week they will travel to Anderson University to take on the regionally ranked No. 13 Trojans.
Women's Basketball
- This week's games:
- Wednesday at 6:00 p.m. – (A) – Wingate
- Saturday at 2:00 p.m. (A) – Lincoln Memorial
- Last week's games:
- Newberry (W) – 83-72
- Tusculum (L) – 80-75
- Last week the Cobra women went completing a season sweep of Newberry thanks to an 83-72 win over the Wolves. This week they will hit the road for a two-game road trip starting on Wednesday at Wingate and concluding on Saturday at Lincoln Memorial.
Men's Basketball
- This week's games:
- Wednesday at 8:00 p.m. – (A) – Wingate
- Saturday at 4:00 p.m. (A) – Lincoln Memorial
- Last week's games:
- Newberry (L) – 95-92
- Tusculum (W) – 91-78
- The Cobras went 1-1 last week with an impressive 91-78 win over Tusculum. The men tied a single game record for made 3-pointers going 16-for-29 against the Pioneers. Senior Julian Nelson also scored a season high 31 points in the game. This week they will travel to Wingate and Lincoln Memorial.
Men's Volleyball
- This week's matches:
- Thursday at 6:00 p.m. (H) – Limestone
- Friday at 5:00 p.m. (A) – McKendree – Lindenwood Univ. Tournament
- Saturday at 11:00 a.m. (A) – Quincy – Lindenwood Univ. Tournament
- Saturday at 3:00 p.m. (A) – Lindenwood – Lindenwood Univ. Tournament
- Last week's matches:
- Eastern Mennonite – 3-2 (L), 3-1 (W)
- The Cobra men's volleyball will play host to the Limestone Saints in their 2014 home opener on Thursday night. They will then head north to Missouri to take part in the Lindenwood University Tournament on Friday and Saturday.
- This week's games:
- Saturday at 12:00 a.m. (H) – Chowan (DH)
- Sunday at 12:00 (H) – Chowan
- Last week's games:
- None
- The defending NCAA DII Southeast Region Champion baseball team will take the field to start the 2014 season this weekend. The Cobras will host Chowan in a three-game series starting with a double-header on Saturday and concluding with a single game on Sunday.
Men's & Women's Tennis
- This week's matches:
- Saturday at 1:00 p.m. (H) – Lander
- Last week's matches:
- None
- The Cobras men's and women's tennis teams will play host to the Lander University Bearcats on Saturday as they open their
Women's Golf
- This week's tournaments:
- Tusculum Kiawah Invitational – Feb. 1-2 at Kiawah Island, S.C.
- Last week's tournaments:
- None
- The Coker women's golf team will begin its 2014 spring season at the Tusculum Kiawah Invitational this week.


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Roland Ernest Beasley, 79, of Sunnyside died Thursday, March 5, 2009.
He was born Jan. 23, 1930 to William and Jessie Beasley in Waterloo, Iowa. He was the seventh of 11 children. He spent his childhood in different places in Iowa and Missouri.
At the age of 18, he joined the U.S. Army, serving his country while stationed in Anchorage, Alaska. There he met a young woman who would become his wife, Corina Johnson. Their seven children are Loretta, Glen, Jerry, Steve, Debbie, Cheryl and Kenny. In between their homes in Alaska and Missouri, they traveled through Seattle, deciding to call it home.
Living in Seattle, Roland gained employment at many tasks, finally working at Coast Transfer and Storage as a Teamster truck driver. He packed and shipped furniture and appliances as a warehouse man.
Through life's many turns, Roland and Corina met Jesus through two young daughters. Born again and serving God, it is said that life begins at 40. For Roland this was true. At 40 years of age, Roland surrendered his life to Jesus, never looking back. He loved God, his family and life. Soon his wife developed heart trouble and in her passing he found himself single again.
One day, through a blind date, Roland met the woman he would marry and spend the rest of his life with, Margaret Rentola (Bridgman). They set up home in Margaret's family house in Sunnyside. There they lived happily for 15 years, serving Christ together. Roland and Margaret attended Neighborhood Assembly of God Church and were very active in the church. In great health they lived their golden years.
Without warning, Roland developed spinal complications. He spent the last seven months fighting these complications, trying to attain the health he'd been blessed with for 78 years. Following his spinal surgery, Roland learned to walk again, gaining his independence and looking forward to going back to his home in Sunnyside. Unexpectedly, an unrelated illness took Roland's life on March 5, 2009, where he was called to a family reunion in Heaven with Jesus and his loved ones.
He leaves behind his wife, Margaret Beasley; and their families, three daughters, Loretta Davidson, Debbie Supalla and Cheryl Williams; three sons, Glen Beasley, Jerry Beasley and Steve Beasley; and five stepchildren, Anna Farrell, David Rentola, Ruth Cole, Anna Johnson and Victor Tom. All these children admired and loved Roland. He was a loving and kind husband to his wife, Margaret, a caring father and grandfather. He was also survived by 23 grandchildren and 20 great-grandchildren.
He was preceded in death by his parents; four brothers; two sisters; his first wife, Corina Beasley; and youngest son, Kenneth Beasley.
Roland left his mark on this earth. In looking at his life, we can say that since his salvation, we've never heard a cross or disparaging word in 39 years. Roland was loved by all those who came to know him.
Dad, you just love on Jesus until we meet again in Heaven. We miss you!
A memorial service will be held Saturday, May 16, 2009, at Neighborhood Assembly of God Church in Sunnyside.
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migya wrote:READ BOOKS BY DAVID ICKE!
This David Icke?
David Vaughan Icke, pronounced /aɪk/ (born April 29, 1952) is a former professional football player, reporter, television sports presenter, and British Green Party national spokesperson. Since 1990, he has been what he calls a "full-time investigator into who and what is really controlling the world."
The Green Party distanced itself from him in 1991 after he announced that he was "the son of God,"(video) and a "channel for the Christ spirit." He began to dress only in turquoise and maintained that the world was ruled by a secret group called the "Global Elite", or "Illuminati", which he linked to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic hoax. In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the secret world government consists of a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are, in fact, reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.
Icke has further claimed that a small group of Jews, namely the Rothschild family — who are really a "reptilian humanoid bloodline" — secretly financed Adolf Hitler and supported the Holocaust. As a result, Icke's speaking tours at one time attracted the interest of British neo-Nazis such as Combat 18, and he continues to face opposition from Jewish and anti-racist groups such as the Anti-Defamation League in Canada. Icke has strongly denied that he is an anti-Semite, stressing that the Rothschilds are reptiles, not Jews.
Because that David Icke doesn't seem... well, sane.
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I guess no one kites them because,.... no ones givin out any names....
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Reasons for un-populated kiting area's
1.) If there is no wind meter there, how do we know if it blows? -You go see.
2.)No one is probably there to launch my kite, and land it? -Learn 2 launch your kite?
3.)I saw a negative post about sketchy people and snakes in bushes-Stay away from bushes and welcome to the bay area! Have fun be safe, explore the outdoors....
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Harpo got it. It was Lake Sonoma, on *Sunday* the 29th. It was supposed to be windy everywhere, so I brought my kite gear with me & kited Lake Sonoma. I got some great woohoos from the wakeboarders Winds were light, little chance to stay upwind but it's now checked off my list of stuff to do.
I *love* the boat-in camp sites on this lake. Just wonderful. I wouldn't drive here to kite, but if you're already camping w/family and can get in a session, why not?
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and pics to prove it.
this should be a recurring thread....
show the g00ds.spread the l0ve.
>whatever i can do to get joe to tell me where that spot is,you trunkin it Br0?
if i were to guess,it looks like some far off tropical land.
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I think with the right system in place there have got to be quite a few spots you could kite on the Hayward shoreline... And the wind there is cherrrrrryy pieeee
It probably helps though to bring your short line set for your kite or to buy an Airush Access
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Bunch of people got this right. Pond #8, next to the Napa River in the Carneros Region. Huge pond, knee deep, butter flat water. Windy in the summer.
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I saw someone use "Pond # x" to refer to a pond near Sunnyvale once. Where are these numbers coming from? When I look on maps I just see unlabeled square ponds.
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It must be Gusty?!? I've heard about the nice butter......
I know some secret spots as well, but not for the entire community! Sorry, sometimes a secret is a secret.
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BROOKLINE — At the home where John F. Kennedy was born, dozens gathered Sunday to recall his life and commemorate his death 50 years ago.
"For Brookline, he was a native son, a former neighbor, a classmate, and a shining star of progress and hope," said Nancy Daly, a member of the town's Board of Selectmen.
On a bitterly cold and windy afternoon, the National Park Service held a short memorial service and wreath-laying at the John Fitzgerald Kennedy National Historic Site on Beals Street, in front of the gray Colonial revival-style house where Kennedy was born on May 29, 1917.
The program, which lasted about 20 minutes, included prayers from a priest and a rabbi, historical remarks from park rangers, a reading from Lyndon Johnson's 1963 proclamation for a national day of mourning for Kennedy, and another from a letter from US Representative Joseph P. Kennedy III, who wrote about his great-uncle's vision for the country.
"He challenged all of us to achieve a better and bigger future for our country," said a park ranger reading from the congressman's letter. "Where man would walk on the moon; where individuals with disabilities could enjoy opportunity, not indifference; where skin color would not disqualify you from democracy or basic human decency; and where hundreds of citizen ambassadors across the globe could sow the seeds of peace."
As the late-autumn sun shone through leafless trees and cast long shadows, Lena Schorge, a sixth-grader at Brookline's Edward Devotion School, which President Kennedy attended, sang a rendition of "America the Beautiful."
Daly recalled Brookline's reaction to the news of Kennedy's assassination a half-century ago — hundreds of people streaming to his former home on Beals Street.
Rabbi William Hamilton of Congregation Kehillath Israel offered the service's benediction. "Merciful God," Hamilton prayed, "grant perfect peace, your sheltering presence upon the holy and the pure, the soul of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, who has gone to his eternal place of rest."
As the service concluded, some people entered the house, where they could see the master bedroom where Kennedy was born at about 3 in the afternoon more than 96 years ago. Others warmed up with hot cider and cookies in a tent behind the house.
Sunday's crowd included tourists such as George Brauchler, a Colorado district attorney who flew in to Massachusetts for the evening Patriots game against the Denver Broncos and decided to visit the site.
Some people who lived nearby also attended the program, including Brookline residents Larry and Barbara Koff.
It's "great to be able to come back and recall his memory," said Larry, 71, who described the ceremony as "touching." Larry Koff, who had served in the Peace Cops, said Kennedy had been an inspiration for him.
Barbara Koff, 70, recalled being in Brookline 50 years ago and going to a nearby synagogue after learning of the president's assassination.
Tom Ferris, a 75-year-old lifelong Brookline resident, stood in the crowd, attentively listening to the service and saying amens after the invocation by the Rev. Brian Clary and the rabbi's closing prayer.
Ferris said he used to attend the church, St. Aidan's, where President Kennedy was baptized and lives right around the corner from the Beals Street house, where Kennedy spent his first 3½ years.
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Manchester United and Manchester City have been put on alert after Wesley Sneijder revealed he will not sign new terms at Inter Milan.
The Dutch international has been linked with a switch to Old Trafford in the past, but the latest twist in his contract saga has now reportedly sparked the interest of Citizens manager Roberto Mancini.
Sneijder's representatives held talks with Inter officials in Milan on Monday but there were differing responses to the outcome of the discussion; Nerazzuri president Massimo Moratti claimed they were constructive, while Sneijder's response was frank.
"At this moment I'm not playing, I have no intention of signing Inter's contract," he is quoted as saying in a Goal.com report.
United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has been criticised for a lack of creativity in the centre of his midfield at Old Trafford and there being no sign of a viable long-term replacement for 38-year-old Paul Scholes.
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Utah State University Jazz Big Bands perform the music of European composers in a fall concert Oct. 9 at 7:30 p.m. in the Performance Hall on USU's Logan campus.
"This is not your typical big band jazz music," said Jon Gudmundson, director of jazz studies and associate professor in the Caine College of the Arts. "Doubling is off the scales and there is a lot of writing across the different band sections, creating a hybrid sound different from sectional music composed by Americans."
Doubling in music is where one musician plays multiple instruments, switching between them. Sectional music in jazz means there are parts that only a certain instrument plays at a time and rotates among the different instruments in the big band.
"For this performance, we are doing something new to include stimulating visuals," said Gudmundson. "A few graduate students in the art department are working on a visual production, so the performance is a multi-media experience. Instead of audience members just sitting and listening to the music, they will have something to look at while listening to the talented students."
The performance features two big bands, the Jazz Orchestra and the Jazz Ensemble. Gudmundson directs the orchestra, while Greg Wheeler, professor and assistant director of jazz studies, directs the jazz ensemble. The Jazz Orchestra will perform the music of German composers Florian Ross, Rainer Tempel and Stefan Schultze; and Swedish composers Christer Olofsson and Niclas Rydh. The Jazz Ensemble will perform the music of various composers, highlighting a variety of jazz styles, including funk, Latin and traditional.
"The power of this music will speak to everyone and people will enjoy the wide variety of jazz styles," said Wheeler. "The students are great and will give an excellent concert."
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FRISCO, Texas The Dallas session of Nike's Elite Youth Basketball League came to a conclusion on Sunday. After 14 league games spread across Minneapolis, Hampton and the Dallas area, only the CIA Bounce remains with an unblemished record and while having the No. 1 player in the class of 2014 Andrew Wiggins has helped, they've been salty from top to bottom and stood out as a team on Sunday.
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Going undefeated in the EYBL is no small task. Then again the CIA Bounce are no normal team. Made up entirely of players who come from Canada (although most play high school ball in the states), the Bounce has stormed through EYBL competition while racking up a 14-0 record through three sessions of play.
Leading the way has been the nation's top player in the class of 2014, Andrew Wiggins. The 6-foot-7 wing from Huntington (W.V.) Prep has been a stud in league play and continuously does things that leave you shaking your head. Maybe the most important thing he does is always make up for any mistake he makes. When he takes a bad shot, he has a knack for finding the rebound. When he makes a bad pass, he almost always seems to come up with a steal on the other end. An elite athlete, Wiggins is also much improved as a ball-handler and shooting the ball with much more consistency. At his current stage of development, he looks like he'll ultimately develop into a jumbo-sized shooting guard. Wiggins doesn't typically discuss his recruitment, but is listing Kentucky, Florida State, Syracuse and others.
Wiggins certainly isn't alone in standing out and point guard Tyler Ennis was impressive Sunday and all weekend. A heady floor general, Ennis rarely forces things, doesn't miss open looks and gets others involved. Because he plays virtually mistake-free basketball, defenses get frustrated because they can't rattle him.
On top of Ennis, the Bounce continue get terrific play from shooting guard Xavier Rathan-Mayes and solid contributions from power forward Isaiah Watkins, wing Duane Notice and others.
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Team Takeover wing Stanford Robinson has always been tough off of the dribble, but he was shooting well from deep over the weekend. Ranked No. 88 in the class of 2013, the junior from Fairfax (Va.) Paul VI is currently on an unofficial visit to Indiana. Keep in mind that recently hired IU assistant Kenny Johnson has coaching ties to both Robinson's high school and summer teams which will make the Hoosiers a major factor if they offer during his visit.
Give it up for Baltimore Elite's Kameron Williams. The skinny 6-foot-3 shooting guard is wired to score and he's been serving up ice-cold buckets throughout the entire EYBL. It was too bad to see a scorer's table error muck up the end of an entertaining game with the Houston Hoops where Williams went for 32. His comfort is as a jump-shooter with a very fast trigger, but he can attack off the dribble and is outstanding working off the ball to lose defenders and catch for wide open shots.
|Justice Winslow handled the point for Houston Hoops in a big win.
Justise Winslowsure played the part of a top 10 player in the class of 2014 during the Houston Hoops win over Baltimore Elite. Acting as a point guard, the 6-foot-5 do-it-all wing controlled tempo and easily blended his scoring with playmaking. He's not lightning off the dribble and you wouldn't characterize the sophomore as a high flyer. However, he is very strong with the ball, has great instincts and plays extremely hard without ever getting out of control. The ability to go all out while remaining in control isn't something that comes easy for guys his age.
Combo forward Reggie Cameron cooled off a little from deep on Sunday, but he was solid on the glass and made plays in other areas and got to the free throw line while playing a nice game and registering a double-double against the Spiece Indy Heat. However, the Playaz main offensive weapon was the recipient of some big time help from point guard Shane Rector on Sunday. The 6-foot-1 point guard played on and off the ball in a Playaz attack that features two other very good point guards in junior Kavon Stewart and freshman Isaiah Briscoe. Wherever he was, he made plays and finished with 26 points on an efficient 9-12 shooting from the field.
It's a pretty safe bet that All-Ohio big man Zach Garber earned the respect of Julius Randle on Sunday. Randle's Texas Titans got the win, but the 6-foot-8 Garber played Randle as physically as anybody we have seen all spring. Garber has good length, is a strong kid and has soft touch on jump hooks offensively. He's already prime target of regional mid-majors and should continue to be.
Combo guard Isaac McGlone was in the zone for King James during a hard-fought win over MoKan Elite. The skinny 6-foot-2 guard knocked home 5-of-6 three point attempts and they almost always seemed to come at key times. He has the look of an excellent mid-major shooter. On the other side, recent Missouri State commit Austin Ruder hit some big shots of his own and matched McGlone's five-three pointers.
Earlier this spring, Johnathan Williams III looked a bit shaky. Actually, the entire Bluff City Legends team looked shaky as they got off to a poor start through two weekends of EYBL play. In Dallas, the addition of a fiery Todd Day as their coach seemed to make a huge difference. Williams certainly played with more fire than he had previously and was a matchup problem. He got on the glass, ran the floor, converted at a high rate and looked like the highly regarded power forward prospect that he is. Bluff City also got a solid effort out of Nick King who manned up and battled on the glass while also making the jumpers he took.
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It's always good to be home, especially when your basketball team has played all of its regular season games on someone else's court.
Such has been the case of the Lipscomb Bisons who play their first regular home game of the season Thursday night at 7 against Jackson State at Allen Arena. This week features back-to-back home games with Liberty University visiting Saturday afternoon at 1.
"I'm tickled pink to be home," said Lipscomb coach Scott Sanderson. "We have played four road games and one neutral game. The teams in our league play a lot of road games in November and December."
Both of these are non-conference games, but setting a winning tone at home early is important. The Bisons have played a pair of exhibition games at Allen Arena, beating North Alabama and Freed-Hardeman.
"We had a very good home record last season and won a lot of league games at home down the stretch," said Sanderson. "In our league you have to win your homes games, even the non-conference ones. You have to get your team to a place where they feel like they are supposed to win at home."
Both games are going to be challenges. Both Jackson State and Liberty are athletic teams that depend on their guard play. Jackson State is 205 and Liberty is 2-4, but don't let the records deceive you.
"Jackson State is really good," said Sanderson. "They have played an awfully difficult schedule with teams like Oklahoma State, TCU and Memphis."
The player the Bisons will have to control is junior guard Clinton "Trey" Johnson, averaging 22 points per game. Jackson State lost 69-53 at St. Louis Monday night with Johnson scoring a game-high 19 points.
"They call him Trey because of all the 3-point shots he makes," said Sanderson. "We won't play a better player this year. As a team they are very long, very athletic and very quick. They will be pressuring us on defense. We're going to have to be very good on defense and take care of the ball. It is going to be a great test for us."
Liberty also offers athleticism and quickness, but in a much bigger package. Point guard Damien Hubbard is 6-foot-6. Starting center Russell Monroe, a sophomore, is 6-11, Sophomore forward Rell Porter, the leading rebounder with 6.8 per game, is 6-7.
Junior guard Larry Blair, averaging 22 points per game is one of the smallest players on the team at 6-1. He is coming off a 30-point performance Tuesday night in a 66-53 loss to Buffalo.
"Liberty is a very good, athletic team with really big guards," said Sanderson. "They are a young team with a lot of freshmen and sophomores.
"Blair has pro potential," said Sanderson. "He has the ability to score and he is a very good defender.
Sanderson hopes the return to their home court will help the Bisons shooting percentage. They have struggled to score this season, hitting 38.8 percent from the field as a team. Only sophomore forward Eddie Ard (14.4 ppg) and senior point guard James Poindexter (10 ppg) are averaging in double figures.
"We have to start shooting the ball better," said Sanderson. "If we can do that and continue to build on our defense and rebounding we will be O.K."
Sanderson is at a loss to explain why the Bisons have not been able to find the basket on a consistent basis.
"We are getting good looks and we are taking good shots," said Sanderson. "We're just not hitting them. When we aren't scoring we have to play flawless in all other areas of the game."


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DETROIT -- The biggest drag on 2013 U.S. auto sales is the congressional impasse.
Auto executives, forecasters, economists and analysts all agree. I've rarely seen such unanimity on naming a single problem for the year ahead.
But let's be honest about the "congressional impasse" they all politely mention. It's a code phrase. When auto-biz folks use it, they aren't referring to the very real differences between political parties in how we as a country should spend our tax dollars or reduce our mounting public debt. That's a long-term issue, but not an immediate threat to auto sales.
No, they're talking about the Republican Party's decision to use the debt ceiling as its primary bargaining tool. Raising the debt limit is technically not about whether to spend money, but whether Uncle Sam pays the bill for money already spent: raise the ceiling or default.
In negotiating terms, it's the suicide bomber option: meet my demands or kaboom. Worse, it only works when the other side thinks you're crazy enough to do it.
And that's what keeps the auto number crunchers up at night.
The sequestration of hundreds of billions in federal spending? One of several minor issues, at least this year. But a federal government default? The industry sees that as a huge blow to auto sales immediately, and more pain later as interest rates spike.
And Fitch agrees. The London-based ratings agency warned Tuesday that if Congress even dithers on raising the debt ceiling it could trigger a downgrade, likely raising U.S. interest rates and shaking the global financial system. "Failure to raise the debt ceiling in a timely manner will prompt a formal review of the U.S. sovereign ratings," Fitch said in a statement a day after President Obama publicly demanded that Republicans quickly raise the debt ceiling.
Don't get me wrong. The debt ceiling has been raised dozens of times in the past century and it's always had partisan bickering, especially by the minority party of the day. Democrats do brinksmanship too.
But everybody remembers the only other time default was a real possibility, in August 2011, when it went down to the wire. And two ratings agencies cut the U.S. credit rating for the first time, citing doubts not about the country's ability to pay but its willingness.
"We saw how that worked out," says Lacey Plache, chief economist for Edmunds.com. "If it happens again, it could get a harsher response from the ratings agencies," significantly raising the interest rates the government, and ultimately car buyers, would pay on new debt.
How many car sales are at risk? About 200,000 units, says Rebecca Lindland of IHS Automotive. Mazda North America CEO Jim O'Sullivan says 250,000. TrueCar.com analyst Jesse Toprak says 200,000 to 300,000.
A quarter million might be a small chunk of 15 million, but among 20,000 dealers, that's an average dozen units this year.
Toprak thinks it probably will be resolved by the end of March. Lindland, Plache and others are dubious the wrangling will stop any time this year.
But Paul Taylor, chief economist of the National Automobile Dealers Association, takes the long view. In the short term, however long Congress remains deadlocked on cutting spending, "that assures there will be no draconian spending cuts," he says. "While the talking goes on, the spending goes on."
But if that continues too long and the federal deficit keeps growing, it will over-stimulate the economy until price inflation forces the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates. And that would directly harm U.S. auto sales, which has benefitted from historically low loan rates. The continued heated political argument remains a drag on consumer confidence, another car sales downer.
And indirectly, the continued uncertainty about tax rates and structures, jobs and the economy keeps business from hiring or investing, further depressing U.S. employment, another car sales no-no.
Looking through auto dealers' eyes, Taylor sees an ideal trajectory that keeps car sales bubbling along: long-term, a substantial and permanent reduction in federal deficits, but not so quickly it creates a downturn. "Congress needs to perform a real balancing act," he says. Can this Congress do that? Taylor shrugs.
Mazda's O'Sullivan says some clarity from Washington might add 250,000 auto sales.
"If we can get a bit of [a roadmap] for the next two to three years for what businesses can anticipate relative to taxation and the regulatory environment, I think the equity markets will react very positively," he says. "That will help support consumer confidence. I think business will see a better green light to go hire."