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|January 2, 2010, 02:25 AM
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Unlikely Comparison: .357SIG vs. .357Mag vs. 10mm vs. .44Mag
I'm searching for a pistol to accompany me on backpacking trips, camping trips, and escapades deep into the brush. The most dangerous predators I may encounter in my area are: black bears, wolves, venomous snakes, and humans. I think any of the four calibers mentioned in the title would work well for against humans or wolves, with the semi-autos (.357SIG and 10mm) having the slight advantage of capacity over both revolver calibers and lower recoil than the .44 Mag. Snakes and bear are the tricky ones. I suppose the best alternative to snakes (or any of the above really) is avoidance, if possible, and if that's not possible I've probably already been bitten. I know you can get snake shot for .357Mag, but what about the other three? And how effective is snake shot really? I'm told it won't cycle semi-autos. Is it even worth messing with?
Next is bears. Black bears are smaller than Grizzlies of course, but they're still big enough, and I've read that black bears are actually more likely to attack humans unprovoked than Grizzlies, and playing dead doesnt work. I've also read that pepper spray is a more effective bear deterrent than a non-lethal gunshot (though of course the goal is to be lethal). I don't know if I want to trust my life to pepper spray though... any input? As far as the lethal, lights out shot required for a charging bear, my thought is that accuracy and shot placement are more important than brute force, though I could be wrong. I do believe you'd need to hit the bear in the head or spinal cord to drop it instantly, correct? So do any of my proposed calibers not offer sufficient penetration for that purpose? I'm not looking to hunt bear, just defend myself against becoming lunch. Which of the four calibers mentioned would be suitable against black bear, and should I venture into Grizzly country, which are suitable against the mighty grizzly?
As far as Semi-auto vs. Revolver goes, both have pros/cons. Revolvers are simple, unstressed even when fully loaded, and will always cycle. For Semi-autos I would buy another Glock, so I'll focus there. A Glock would offer additional capacity, a more weather resistant finish than even stainless steel revolvers, and I have the utmost faith in their reliabity. Should it ever FTF/FTE, a quick tap and rack and you're back in business. They're more compact than revolvers, and I'm under the impression they are easier to fire quickly (repeat shots). Like revolvers, there is no safety to worry about and they are safe with a chambered round.
The major shortcoming with a semi-auto of any kind, that I see, is also its greatest asset: magazines. Higher capacity may mean more lead in mr. bear, or any predator, or more second chances with missed shots, though the saying is true: you can't miss fast enough. I've never dealt with speed loaders for revolvers, but I do know that mag changes are a snap, and with two extra mags you're carrying more ammunition than I'd ever want to have to use at one time. The same can't be said for 6-shot revolvers and speed loaders. However, spring fatigue can be a problem with double stacked mags, where there is no fatigue in a revolver. You could probably solve the issue with half loaded magazines, but then you're only a few pops over a six-shooter.
I am familiar with shooting semi-autos, but have never shot a revolver. Am I correct in assuming I would need to train with both to be proficient at both? If true, this would make me lean further toward semi-auto, for reasons of time and money.
I'm leaning toward either a 10mm Glock or a .357 DA Stainless revolver. I believe the 10mm actually has more punch than the .357Mag, though I don't know if either are sufficient against mr. bear. Of course .44Mag (or an even larger caliber) would be, but then its less suitable for the smaller threats, IMO. So there's my dilemma.
What are you're opinions? The gun needs to be light enough to carry comfortably for prolonged periods, suitably weather resistant (mainly against humidity/rain - I don't plan on dragging the pistol through the mud), and in a caliber commonly available, with manageable recoil, and sufficient energy.
|January 2, 2010, 03:08 AM
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OK. First thing I gotta ask...
You're way the heck out in the woods or desert or whatever. You see a snake. Under what possible circumstances is shooting it a good idea?
Let's see. If you're somewhat aware of surroundings and avoid it, there's no reason to blow it away. If it's around a ranch or farm or suburbia yeah, I can see killing it...but a shovel is a better tool for the job 9 times outta 10.
But if it's out in the middle of nowhere? Why kill it? It's part of the ecosystem.
If you've been wandering around unaware, look down and Mr. No-hips is right next to your foot, for God's sake JUMP! Way better odds that way than trying to pull a gun out and shoot the sucker without also putting a bunch of pellets into your friggin' leg.
So. Please, somebody explain to me, why in God's name anybody would shoot a snake (poisonous or otherwise) out in the back country unless they were pretty dang hungry?
Mind you, I think carrying some snake shot along IS a good idea but not to have loaded in the gun - it's there as food-getters against any sort of small game if you're in a bind calorie-wise - scaly, furry or feathery.
Now. As to calibers.
The 357Mag and 10mm are more or less a wash in terms of bullet energy. The 357Sig lags, esp. if the bullet weight goes up past 125gr. And in terms of projectile shape, no autoloader can keep up with the sort of stuff you can run though a revolver. If the goal is to try and stop a charging black bear, there's no autoloader rounds available in 10mm that can touch a 357Mag loaded with 180gr flat-nosed hardcasts running balls-out as loaded by Buffalo Bore, Doubletap or Grizzly Ammo.
This goes triple for the 44Mag...but that means a bigger gun and less total ammo capacity. If I was on a long backpacking trip anywhere in the lower 48, I think I'd rather have a 357Mag due in part to the amount of extra ammo I can carry over the 44Mag, 45LC or the like.
Oh. One more thing. When we're talking bears and you're way out in the woods, a warning shot can be a good idea. I do not EVER ever ever recommend warning shots against humans but they can make sense against animals, esp. away from urban areas. Against a human, a warning shot is just the signal that it's now time for both parties to begin trying to kill each other with all possible haste. Against a critter, different story.
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|January 2, 2010, 03:18 AM
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With practice, a double action revolver can be fire as fast as most semiautos. (Not a revolver vs autos statement, by any means. Simply my opinion.)
Five good shots from a revolver should stop anything in your path (six is better, but there's the question of bulk and carrying on a loaded chamber... even with transfer bars... blah, blah.... not trying to start a debate).
HOWEVER, I have been charged by black bears, at less than 100 feet. I can tell you from experience, that I would not have been capable of well placed shots. I was unarmed and alone for all, and scared sh**less for the first one. For the second charge, I still had an incredible adrenaline rush. There is no way I could have held a pistol steady enough to make the shots count. (The third encounter was not a charge; but me wielding a big muddy stick, and throwing it at the bear, to allow me to get to the other side of my truck. A search of my name and "black bear" should turn up some results for a better explanation.)
My choice would be a good, hard cast bullet in the .44 or .357 Mag. Knowing what I do, about my own body and reaction; I would be torn between the wheel gun and a semiauto, though. Having 10-15 rounds, versus 5-7, would be a very tough call to make.
Honestly, the 10mm Auto would win this battle (for me). It's a great cartridge, with good magazine capacities. But, there is a problem: Weight.
The pistols are heavier. The cartridges are heavier. It's a lot of weight to haul around.
My ideal compromise would be a .38 Special or .357 Mag, in a 5 shot snubby. The compact size, combined with performance, would be enough to comfort me against most threats. If 5 shots weren't enough... I guess I should have paid more attention, and avoided the situation.
Knowing what I do now; I will wait for large predators to get closer, before attempting to fire. It's a gamble, but mock charges are fairly common (the only reason I am able to type this), and it adds some probability to shaky shots actually hitting something important.
Five crucial shots are better than fifteen, "I'm over here - leave me alone" shots.
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|January 2, 2010, 08:08 AM
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Well, Black Bears aren't as big as Grizz so the .44 Magnum really isn't necessary. They are, however, bigger than people so the .357 Sig is a bit light. This leaves either a .357 Magnum or 10mm which would both be about equal in performance on Black Bear. However, there is no snake shot available in 10mm and even if there was, it probably wouldn't feed reliably in a semi-automatic. For this reason, a .357 Magnum loaded with 158grn or heavier JSP, FMJ, or Hardcast would be my choice.
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|January 2, 2010, 09:25 AM
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I don't know what it is about people and black bears. In 40 years I have done a lot of back packing and camping in the norteast. In that time I have personally seen two bears and some sign. A few friends have had their camps raided and that was related to the way they stored their food. Heaving stones at the creature turned it away. No one I know was injured by a bear. I have also spent time in the Canadian Rockies and seen Mr. Grizz there close at hand but not in a threatening way. I have never carried a gun into the wilderness because I didn't need it. My biggest concerns in the backcountry are the weather, good water and keeping the damn mice and squirrels out of my food. We don't have any dangerous snakes.
|January 2, 2010, 10:10 AM
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1 lb of Bear bone and muscle tissue is far tougher than 1 lb of Human bone and muscle tissue.
|January 2, 2010, 11:09 AM
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A co-worker had a mounted black bear's skull in his office (he also has a mounted gnu's head) and it didn't impress me as being any thicker than a human's and, besides, we all know some thick headed people. It was smaller, however, and the odds of hitting one in the right place becomes positively prolematic. Which leads to a question.
Where is the right place and when do you start shooting? At least one thing I read ages ago supposedly written by someone with African experience implied near contact distance, which sounds uncomfortably close. But on the other hand, if you start shoot when the bear or other target is far enough to give you time or the need to reload doesn't sound like a good idea either. But here I'm assuming that the bear isn't going to jump you from a tree and that you will have a half-second to think it over. If the problem is a lion, very rare in the east, the circumstances are a little different.
I've seen four bears in the woods and, believe me, even a cub on its hind legs looks pretty big to me. They make all the deer I've seen look pretty small. Also, I'd say that if you were to shoot at a bear and thought you needed to, you would hardly notice the recoil or the noise.
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|January 2, 2010, 11:13 AM
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I'd go 10mm for a woods gun.
More power than the 357sig or mag, lighter than a 44 with higher capacity and "close enough" power. Easy choice for me.
I also agree with several others, I've never understood the idea of shooting a snake. Killing one, maybe. Shooting it, no.
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|January 2, 2010, 11:17 AM
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A bear defense class at Gunsite was featured on one of the shooting shows some time ago. For black bear, they recommended a 12 ga. shotgun or a .45-70 carbine, with a .44 Magnum revolver for back-up.
People who live in bear country generally recommend bear spray over any hand gun.
|January 2, 2010, 12:39 PM
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|January 2, 2010, 03:53 PM
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I've seen pepper spray in containers the size of fire extinguishers, presumably to keep in your kitchen, or maybe they're for long range use.
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|January 2, 2010, 04:56 PM
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Dinosaur opinion here, I go for reliability and that means as much as I like my pistols I pack a Revolver when I go into the woods, 357 is enough gun but for that little extra security I now carry a 41 mag with a 4" barrel. If I am hunting a 44 mag with 7 1/2" barrel. Never needed that extra power but like I said its that extra security thing. I would be sorely tempted to get the 10MM if you are a handgun hunter and you like to reach out for a little longer shot than most handgunners do but if my life was counting on the outcome its Ruger Super Blackhawk or Ruger Redhawk for me.
As a side note, the 7 1/2" 44 mag bites my hand less than the 4" 41 magnum does if that is a consideration for you. Convenience vs the extra sight radius and less felt recoil for that quick second shot if needed.
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|January 2, 2010, 10:11 PM
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Uhhh... Jim...
Straight from Mike's website...
If it were me, I'd go with the 10mm, but I must admit that I'm a huge 10mm fan... More power than a .357Mag and more capacity... Yeah, count me in. I carry my 10mm (Glock 20SF) as my social and woods gun in Kodiak, I just change ammo depending on where I'm headed...
If a wheelgun is what you're looking for then a good .41Mag is the ticket...
But I am a handloader that loves weird calibers... So YMMV
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|January 2, 2010, 10:31 PM
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Yeah, but first, will that heavy 200gr hardcast in 10mm feed reliably?
Color me skeptical.
Second, Buffalo Bore has some 357 fodder with more energy on tap, matching that 10mm load.
Third, if the 200gr slug DOES feed reliably, it can't have all that fat a flat-nose on it. So it may be strong on power but not as strong in terms of wound ballistics. I'd like to see a pic of the stuff. I assume this is Doubletap, right? Lessee...
Huh. OK, it DOES have a good nose profile. Cool. Great stuff for a 10mm revolver.
But does it go up feed ramps OK?
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|January 2, 2010, 11:05 PM
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.44Mag is out in front by a HUGE margin.
.357Mag & 10mm are very similar whether you compare bullet weight, energy or momentum with the .357Mag having a tiny energy edge with the hottest loads and the 10mm having a small bullet weight edge.
.357Sig is not in the same class as the other three. Large animal defense is a bit out of its generally accepted performance range.
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|January 3, 2010, 01:12 AM
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Good info. Scratching the .357SIG, down to three.
Snake shot is a dumb idea, got it. I'll avoid the snake unless I truly have to eat one, in which case I'll look for the non-venomous kind and can probably find another way to kill it, like with a large rock.
I'm torn between the 10mm and .357Mag, but I'm still a little unsure about the .44Mag. Lots of power there, also lots of recoil, and quite a bit of overkill for predators smaller than a bear, IMO. So in truth, this really is becoming a semi-auto vs. revolver discussion.
Has anyone tried the 200gr flat-tip 10mm ammo? I'd hate to but a 10mm auto only to find it wont feed the ammo and then wish I'd gone the .357Mag route instead. However, if it feeds reliably in a Glock 20... I'm just about sold. Just need to find out if I can grip the beefy grips on a G20.
Seems to me like the most dangerous thing in the woods is still people, and the semi-auto capacity still trumps a revolver simplicity in that regard, I think anyway. And if I were to use the suggested warning shot against bears and such, I'd be down to 5 shots in a revolver... hmmm.
One last note, if I carried a gun and pepper spray, which would I want to pull out on a bear under which circumstances?
|January 3, 2010, 01:20 AM
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A thought...
If I had a 10mm revolver, I could then also fire .40S&W ammunition out of it, correct?
My brain is storming, had to ask.
|January 3, 2010, 01:23 AM
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If it's based on moon clips, yes. And any 10mm DA revolver you buy SHOULD be - you'll have a damned difficult time ejecting 'em otherwise .
If it's a 10mm SA revolver then no, that cylinder can't take 40S&W. Can't use moon clips, therefore you have to headspace off the forward rim same as an autoloader does, and the 40S&W shells would drop in too far.
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|January 3, 2010, 01:55 AM
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Nevertheless, any snake I have captured, or seen captured, was taken without a firearm. And a lot of places where one might encounter a poisonous snake are a long ways from medical care.
|January 3, 2010, 02:17 AM
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Well yeah, that's true, but if you need a gun to deal with a snake, you're not being creative enough.
Because it's got no friggin' LEGS!
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|January 3, 2010, 06:37 AM
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Jim, I'm typing this on my phone, but to answer your question....
In my G20SF (with EFK and factory barrell) the 200gr WFNGC rounds feed flawlessly. If they did not, I would not carry them for bear defense.
10mm trumps .357Mag in just about every category except for popularity contests...
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|January 3, 2010, 10:27 AM
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i too am a 10mm fan, so i would pick that. but i also love my sbh in .44mag loaded up hot with 300gr bullets.
ive got an uncle that regularly hunts black bear in minnesota with his srh in .41mag.
the .41 falls dead between the 10mm, and .44mag, but i believe it has a "sharper" slap of recoil than the push of the .44mag.
if you want wheel gun id go with .41 or .44.
if you want auto go with 10mm.
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|January 4, 2010, 05:20 PM
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I used to holster my GP100 with 180gr hardcasts when on my property in northern Minnesota, but have switched over to my G20 SF. They both will work fine but there's something nice about having 15 rounds available vs 6. I do reload so I can load fairly hotter than the run of the mill factory watered down 10mm loads available. But you can, as mentioned, purchase premium ammo to fit the bill.
10 mm gets my vote though.
|January 4, 2010, 11:15 PM
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The .44 mag might be a little too big for hauling around backpacking and camping.
I would probably go for one of the Glocks in 10mm, or a revolver in .357magnum. The advantage to the 10mm would be not only power but capacity.
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|January 5, 2010, 09:33 AM
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so thats 7 for the 10mm! we have a winner!
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Every so often Riccardo Muti likes to remind the local concert public that his Chicago Symphony Orchestra isn't just a superb instrument for the big Romantic, late Romantic and 20th century repertory. It plays Classical-era works with the same dedication, proficiency and, you might say, pride of ownership. The program of Mozart and Beethoven symphonies the maestro conducted Thursday night at Symphony Center served as another of those reminders.
It's been an eventful week for the music director. Muti dedicated his fourth and final sold-out performance of Bach's B minor Mass on Tuesday night to the victims of the Boston Marathon bombing, asking the audience to stand and observe a moment of silence in their memory. The following evening he was guest of honor at a gala hosted by Chicago's Italian American Chamber of Commerce, which presented him with its lifetime achievement award – yet another honor the maestro can add to his groaning shelf.
Thursday night's concert was, however, all about the music.
Muti's pairing of Mozart's Symphony No. 38 ("Prague") and Beethoven's Symphony No. 4 probably wasn't designed to show how much the former masterpiece has in common with the latter. But his large-scale treatment of the "Prague" Symphony all but removed it from the Classical realm and relocated it within hailing distance of early middle-period Beethoven.
Muti developed his Mozart style in the course of his close, 40-odd-year association with the Vienna Philharmonic, and his Mozart opera and symphony recordings with that orchestra show how strongly and personally he approaches the composer's music. In fact, the suavity of phrasing and sweet, singing tone he drew from the CSO made you think you were hearing the fabled philharmonic in Vienna's Musikverein, minus the lustrous acoustics of that storied concert hall.
This was quite a distance from the tougher, leaner Mozart style favored by today's authenticity brigade. But the high intelligence, not to mention elegance and wit, Muti brought to his reading won me over, and, I suspect, most other audience members as well.
He treated the "Prague" rather like a Mozart opera without words. The dramatic emphasis given the twisting chromatic scales and ominous rumbles of bass and drums in the Adagio introduction to the first movement called to mind "Don Giovanni." And because Muti observed every repeat, even in the second halves of the outer movements, his Mozart clocked in well beyond the 30-minute mark. This was Mozart banging on the door of the early 19th century.
Such was the care with which Muti balanced textures that thickness and heaviness were avoided. Relaxed pacing of the slow movement allowed the intersecting woodwind lines to emerge clearly, while the cultivated conversation of flutist Mathieu Dufour and oboist Eugene Izotov added to the pleasures of the finale.
After intermission, Muti offered a Beethoven Fourth notable for bumptious wit, molded contours and eruptive energy. Once again his holding back in the Adagio introduction to the opening movement built suspense for what was to come. The Adagio was particularly notable for its shapely cantabile phrasing. Muti made much of dynamic contrasts, crouching low to get the effects he was after. The weight of sound he got from the CSO was appropriate to his interpretation. In all, a very enjoyable performance, beautifully played.
The program's opening work brought a sentimental blast from the past. Antonio Vivaldi's little Concerto in A major for strings and continuo (R.158) was the very first piece on the very first program Muti ever conducted with the CSO downtown. That was back in March 1975, at the height of the orchestra's fame under Georg Solti. Who at the time could have imagined the Italian firebrand would inherit the Hungarian dynamo's throne 35 years later?
In any case, Muti warmed the contours of this eight-minute string concerto to lively and charming effect. Once again there were countless departures from current views of "correct" Baroque performance practice. So what? The important thing was that Muti and his 20 string players sounded fully engaged, everyone enjoying himself and herself. This was as close as we'll probably ever get to hearing Muti as a chamber musician.
The program will be repeated at 7:30 p.m. Tuesday at Symphony Center, 220 S. Michigan Ave.; $31-$239; 312-294-3000, cso.org.
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Nene has completed his move from Paris Saint-Germain to Qatari club Al Gharafa on a two-and-a-half-year deal.
The former Monaco attacker has been out of favour for much of the season, despite scoring 21 goals in Ligue 1 in 2011/12 and has been linked with a number of clubs after previously revealing his desire to depart the capital club.
Al Gharafa's general secretary Jassem Al-Mansouri revealed the deal had been conclued and the length of the contract, though he did not disclose the former Brazil Under-23 international's salary.
However, a reliable source revealed to AFP that the 31-year-old will earn around €4.5million a year.


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|2008-03-31, 21:57
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Well again, I ask you - quibble with my choice of words (I did with yours, so fair enough) but where is the passion towards Noe? Even the "confession" rock sculpture was done at her insistence. I just don't see it. I actually think compassion is part of what Shin feels towards both Noe and Hiromi, so maybe that wasn't the perfect choice of words. I still think it more ore less boiled down to a romantic vs. rational decision. Heart vs. brain. Passion vs. logic.
|2008-03-31, 22:12
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Well, if I disagree with something I have to bring it up...besides, I only quibble because compassion has quite a different meaning than the other words we used. Compassion implied pity, sympathy, feeling sorry for a person, etc. And I think that's the opposite of what we saw in the final episode. And given that there was ample opportunity for Shin to just feel sorry for Noe, the fact that his words were what they are is important, I think. Noe had been on a downward spiral, but Shin doesn't look down on her or simply feel sorry for her. He recognizes her value to him and what he means to him and his feelings, and that's the important thing.
Well, what describes "passion"? Breaking up with Noe apparently is enough to make him cry, break down outside, etc. I don't know if that's entirely a detached and logical perspective by Shin. Noe made his heart waver/shake/whatever. I don't believe anything in this scene implies that Noe was entirely a choice for his "brain" rather than his heart. In fact, I think the opposite. It was Shin's brain which told him "Make a decision because you'll go nowhere like this. Make a choice, then get rid of the doubts in your heart". And that's what he did. He chose Hiromi and then let go of Noe so that his heart would be focused on Hiromi.
|2008-03-31, 22:25
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Though I was a Noe supporter, I have to admit this was a very well done episode, though I wish they'd explained a bit of how Noe was able to tough out everything that happened to her (hence my 9). I mean to have someone who was so emotionally hurt to recover herself so well despite the fact she lost her support system (Shin and Jun) is astonishing and requires a little explanation on how she accomplished it mentally.
To the Hiromi supporters, you got your ending so please stop being sore winners and continue this argument that he never cared for Noe in a romantic way. We can go in circles arguing about how Noe made Shin do things and how Shin's crying over breaking up with her was "purely" platonic, but I think we can reasonable and say that this was a true battle of the heart between Hiromi and Noe and Hiromi won. Otherwise, why not tell Noe earlier to bug off like he did poor Ai-chan? Let's just be good sports on both side and move on with our lives.
|2008-03-31, 22:39
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Kobukson, I've been careful never to say that there definitively was no romantic feeling between Shin and Noe - in fact, I've gone out of my way to say that there was probably some element of it in his feelings for her. Nevertheless, I still say there's no evidence of any passion in the romantic sense of that word. In a broader sense of passion just as any type of strong feeling, sure - his tears at the breakup were more than proof of that.
Theowne, as I said, I quibbled with your wording so I had no problem with you quibbling with mine! Again, compassionate probably wasn't the best choice there so you were right in your response.
|2008-03-31, 22:52
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|2008-03-31, 23:20
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Right.......I think it's valid to debate these things and I actually like discussing and arguing various points of interpretation after a series is done, especially a good series like True Tears. I remember the one thing that got me over the fact that Honey and Clover ended was being on Animesuki discussing it. I don't think "shipping wars" ever really comes into it, or at least I don't usually respond to posts that are clearly biased to a shipper's perspective.
|2008-04-01, 00:30
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|2008-04-01, 01:21
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To me, one important clue of how Shin feels about Noe is implied a while ago when Raigomaru used grumbling stomach as an excuse of not wanting to fly. At that point in time, Raigomaru's flight clearly represents Shin's romantic feelings for Noe. With Raigomaru's excuses came up for so many times, it can be interpreted that, unconsciously, no matter how many times Shin tried, he was still unable to think of Noe in such a way. So when forced to go all the way with Noe (i.e., to go with the choice he didn't choose, to do what wasn't in-line with his own heart), he hesitated.
Once Noe realized who Shin is in love with, and see hesitation from Raigomaru, she was frustrated enough to force Jibeta to fly, only to realize that it's no good to force her choice on others. Without making one's own choice, one will never be happy. She also realized that standing proud on the ground is no different than taking flight. Raigomaru and Jibeta both show their strengths in their choices. As they were true to themselves, there's nothing wrong in making either choice.
Witnessing the whole thing, Shin came to realize that making his own choice is the solution all his problems. Before, he just went with the flow and not doing anything to make situations better -- whether it's about his dance, his drawing, or his love. Thanks to Noe's words, he finally realized what to do.
And making his own choices indeed. Once his reflection inside the cupboard was done, he now had his own choices on all those areas pinned down. And the key phrases to signify that were all there when Raigomaru took flight:
It's not for the sake of others,To me, it's this one short sentence that pretty much sums up Shin's choices regarding all three issues he has.
So, I believe what has happened for the last 12 episodes wasn't really about Shin's romantic feelings being swayed by Noe. From the looks of it, it's more about him being confused of how to "do things properly" in everything he did when he was so overwhelmed by others' feelings and concerns. It's always about "the sake of others", or "the glory", or "setting the record" that threw him off balance -- so off that he lost sight of his true choices and feelings. Fortunately, he found them all back.
Indeed, he was in pain parting with Noe, and rightly so, because Noe was the person who makes him realizing his own choices, as well as the person who supports him to follow his own will. There is no doubt that she's his inspiration. So when you have had such a memorable time with her, and yet you have to break her heart in order to make a choice that she just helped you realized, it'll pain you more than anything.
It's even more sad when thinking of the consequence of breaking up. As it stands, Noe already hurt physically and mentally. And the breakup will definitely hurt her even more. Shin was definitely afraid and guilty that he might end up making her unable to fly and unable to cry.
Besides, it was a sudden parting. They realized themselves that they grew out of each other, had their own wings, and will fly in their own ways. It's a real farewell, since (as golthin said earlier) this clean breakup is unavoidable. So when you realize that it's parting "forever" from here on out, it's not hard to realize how Shin felt when Noe turned her back and walked away. He definitely didn't want to part with Noe, but he already made the choice. If he could pursue his own love with Hiromi while being friends with Noe, I believe he'll go that route. And that's because they are both very important to him.
So, in short, I guess what I want to say is that I'm in agreement with those of you who said that Shin has feelings for Noe, but not really in the same sense as what he has with Hiromi. As has been iterated for so many times already, this kind of interpretation isn't done to downplay Shin's feelings for Noe. The feelings was indeed very powerful, and I would only be blind not to notice that. Shin definitely cherished his bond with Noe. More than anything, Shin valued her and indebted to her. It's just that I don't think his feelings for her is strictly as romantic as some of you seem to say...
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|2008-04-01, 01:37
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To me,
The things Shin and Noe did while "dating" did not indicate a clear romantic interest. It was rather vague. Could it have been? Possible.
On the contrast, Shin started drawing because of Hiromi -- often monologuing about wanting to take away her tears, as early the prologue of the first episode. I saw him being happy at the prospect of Hiromi trying to be friends with Noe. (he misinterpreted the approach you through your friend theory) I saw him frequently being jealous at Noe's brother whenever he was near Hiromi.
There's also the matter of conviction.
He was convicted enough to rush out towards Hiromi at the end of episode 10, corny theatricals and all.
He was not willing to talk to a clearly disturbed chicken holding Noe at the harbor.
So, disregarding any behind the scenes speculations..
As far as visible evidence goes, Hiromi had an advantage. At least, in that field.
There are many kind of bonds.
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|2008-04-01, 10:56
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Heh. Covering this series is one of the toughest jobs I have ever had thus far in my RIUVA tenure, and it's not so much that the series is particularly hard to blog about or anything...
|2008-04-01, 11:02
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Because while yours truly does acknowledge that as affection, it is still too vague for me to acknowledge that as romantic affection. You can cry for a friend, you know. Especially if they were put in a cruel situation like Noe.
|2008-04-01, 13:06
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Sorry, I still think it doesn't make much sense to deny that he had romantic feelings for Noe. Everything surrounding the break-up scene implies it. His brief dialogue with his father implies it. Same with the comparison between Hiromi and Shin's mother. What was the entire problem with Shin's parents? Shin's father had his heart "waver" like is implied in that brief scene. All of these surrounding scenes become far less meaningful if you believe that he had no romantic feelings, only sympathy or sadness for her, or brotherly affection.
Look at what Shin actually says and thinks. He has ample opportunity to feel sorry for Noe, or to tell her that he's sorry, or similar if he truly is sad only because he pities her and sympathizes with her. But hat's not what happened. He only spoke about himself. He spoke only about how he was affected by her, and that his "heart wavers". There was no sympathy or pity. It's not because Shin is self-centered, rather it's because this is an important decision and he's being honest. He is in love with Hiromi, but his heart wavers whenever he sees Noe, so he has to leave Noe. Then, outside, he boldly convinces himself of this once and for all so he can watch Noe leave and he can love Hiromi without wavering. This entire scene has so much strength because of that idea.
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|2008-04-02, 02:26
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"You wanted to fly. Not for the sake of others, not for glory, not for setting the record. Raigomaru took flight."
I saw those as Noe's real meaning of flying for Shin. She wanted Shin to be always looking at the sky, and he did just that. He was having all these thoughts when the girl whom he was supposed to be looking at was his 'love' Hiromi. Instead of Hiromi, Shin looked at Noe. If that is not a sign of his feelings being swayed, then I don't know what is.
Ever since episode 1, the girl who Shin fancies is really Hiromi. The writers kept rubbing that to our faces. The HiromixShin ending can be seen by everyone--even an idiot. However, ever since the Mugiha dance, Hiromi ending suddenly didn't seem that solid anymore. It 'trembled'. Just like Shin. His 'almighty' feelings suddenly became unstable. Like I said, his confession in episode 13 made absolute sense.
I know I'm just reinstating what Theowne had said, but the reason why Shin "couldn't do things properly" was because of Noe. As long as Noe's in the picture, Shin couldn't commit to Hiromi. If Shin's feelings for Noe was not romantic, we wouldn't have this problem. I think Shin wasn't aware of this when he told Hiromi "he would do things properly." From what I noticed, the gripe about most Hiromi fans was that Hiromi herself wasn't enough to make Shinichiro look at only her. Well, I think Shin did the right thing for everyone when he and Noe went their seperate ways.
|2008-04-02, 03:07
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I think the explanation is that he didn't love Noe per-say, just Noe's outlook on life and the inspiration she gave him. I don't think Noe inspired him to draw, that was Hiromi as we saw with his first picture that resurfaced and the earliest episode. It was Hiromi that inspired him to take his own path as an artist instead of taking over the winery. The fact that he couldn't continue in his efforts to draw was a representation of how he himself couldn't move forward because he didn't know how. What Noe inspired him to do was what he always wanted to do, wipe the tears away from Hiromi and truly love and express that love to her.
The parting he had with Noe was heartbreaking because he didn't want to lose everything that he had gained from that encounter. Noe loved him and he couldn't return those feelings and Noe knew that he could never fly with her around. So they had to separate. He had to do things properly, unlike his father, by cutting all bonds they had, including friendship. It was the point where he flew by his own volition.
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Results 10-2
Boys soccer
Argos eliminates Culver
Defending regional champion Argos kept Culver from registering a single shot on goal, and the Dragons eliminated host Culver at its home sectional in a 7-0 rout Monday night.
Damon Binkley and Dominic Cataldo each scored twice, while Zach Stockman scored once with an assist, and Chandler Campbell and Joseph Stone also scored goals in the win as Argos advanced to play Lakeland Christian in a semifinal Wednesday following a match-up between Bremen and Winamac.
Marshall Anderson recorded six saves in goal as the Cavaliers were outshot 13-0 in the closer.
At Culver Sectional
First half
A — Damon Binkley (Zach Stockman), 13th minute
A — Stockman (Taylor Ogle), 22nd minute
A — Dominic Cataldo (penalty kick), 29th minute
Second half
A — Chandler Campbell (Binkley), 55th minute
A — Cataldo (Binkley), 56th minute
A — Binkley (Jordan O'Dell), 58th minute
A — Joseph Stone (penalty kick), 76th minute
Shots on goal: Argos 13, Culver 0
Saves: Culver 6 (Marshall Anderson)
Corners: Argos 8, Culver 1
Records: Argos 15-1-1
Girls soccer
Glenn knocks off Lions
John Glenn made Kaitlyn Stevens' goal in the 59th minute stand up, and the Lady Falcons knocked off Northern State Conference foe Bremen 2-1 at the LaVille Sectional opener at Newton Park Monday.
Katie Dreessen scored in the 11th minute to give Glenn a 1-0 halftime advantage, but Jasmine Shafer's goal in the 51st wiped the slate clean for Bremen.
The Lady Lions outshot Glenn 12-3, but the Falcons recorded 11 saves in goal en route to the win.
Glenn advances to play Bethany Christian in a semifinal Thursday followed by a game between the winners of tonight' quarterfinals between Culver Community and Elkhart Christian and LaVille and Mishawaka Marian.
At LaVille Sectional
G — Katie Dreessen 11th minute
B — Jasmine Shafer 51st minute
G — Kaitlyn Stevens 59th minute
Shots on goal: Glenn 3, Bremen 12
Saves: Glenn 11, Bremen 1
Corners: Glenn 2, Bremen 2
Pilgrims beat Indians
Plymouth overcame a first-set loss to beat visiting South Bend St. Joseph's 20-25, 25-16, 25-22, 25-21 in a match-up between potential Plymouth Sectional foes Monday at The Rock.
Amber Redinger pounded down a prolific 19 kills with eight blocks against the defending sectional champion Indians. Mikayla German recorded 21 digs with a pair of aces, and Haley Harrell dished out 34 assists in the win.
At Plymouth
Plymouth stats
Kills: Amber Redinger 19
Aces: Mikayla German 2
Assists: Haley Harrell 34
Blocks: Redinger 8
Digs: German 21
JV score: St. Joe 2, Plymouth 0 (25-19, 25-17)
Eagles down Jays
Culver Girls Academy beat North Judson in four games at home Monday, 22-25, 25-12, 25-12, 25-18.
Katy Bjornson recorded 11 kills, while Torrie Christlieb and Jamie Madison both tallied 10 kills in a balanced attack for CGA.
Bjornson and Madison also finished with six digs apiece, while Paige Baldacci registered 37 assists, and Abby Jeffirs served up eight aces for the Lady Eagles.
Judson was led by Laura Bailey's balanced six kills, three aces and 15 digs, while Kayla Zimmerman finished with nine kills, Leah White set 23 assists, and Jordan Frasure finished with 11 digs.
At Culver
CGA stats
Kills: Katy Bjornson 11, Torrie Christlieb 10, Jamie Madison 10, Pita Navarro 8
Assists: Paige Baldacci 37
Aces: Abby Jeffirs 8, Sarah Boland 5
Digs: Boland 12, Jeffirs 10, Bjornson 6, Madison 6
North Judson stats
Kills: Kayla Zimmerman 9, Laura Bailey 6
Aces: Laura Bailey 3
Assists: Leah White 23
Digs: Bailey 15, Jordann Frasure 11
Knox tops Glenn
Knox handed John Glenn a Northern State Conference loss in three games Monday, 26-24, 25-17, 25-17.
Kaitlin Zachary finished with an impressive 16 kills and 11 digs, while Nikki Frasure tallied nine kills with 26 assists, and Cara Hasnerl finished with 10 digs and three assists for Knox.
Glenn was led by Riley Patterson's six kills and three aces, while Kyler Columbia recorded 15 assists, Brittany Schmidt finished with nine digs, and Addie Holland knocked out five kills.
Glenn stats
Kills: Riley Patterson 6, Addie Holland 5
Aces: Riley Patterson 3
Assists: Kyler Columbia 15
Digs: Brittany Schmidt 9
JV: Glenn 2, Knox 0 (25-23, 25-23)
Knox stats
Kills: Kaitlin Zachary 16, Torie Elliott 11, Nikki Frasure 9
Assists: Frasure 26, Cara Hasnerl 3
Digs: Zachery 11, Hasnerl 10
8th grade volleyball
Lincoln 8th tops
at Crestview Invite Lincoln's eighth grade volleyball team won the championship at the Crestview Volleyball Invitational Saturday.
The Red Storm defeated Riverview 25-12, 25-13 in the first round of the annual tourney and started slow against Crestview in the championship before coming back strong to win 25-22, 25-11 thanks to the strong serving of Erin Hunter and hitting of Anna Bockman with Ashley Harrell setting. Nicole Horvath managed the net with great blocking.
Other leaders for the day were L.J. Singleton in setting, Kennedy Snyder, Emily Hoffer and Alli Dennie in passing, Dennie, Nicole Horvath and Hunter in hitting, and Hoffer, Harrell and Snyder in serving.
Lincoln moves to 15-2 with the wins.
7th grade volleyball
Lincoln 7th wins title
Lincoln's seventh grade volleyball team also won the title at the Crestview Invitational over the weekend, beating Riverview 25-17, 25-13 in the first round and battling back from a 25-19 loss in the opening set of the championship before rallying for the win in three.
The star player for the championship match was Kirsten Nault with an impressive all-around game, leading the team in serves, passes and blocks. Other outstanding performances came from servers Makenzie Quissell and Leah Smith and hitter MacKenzie Scheetz. Setters and captains Bailey Eveland and Kendall Rhodes also played all the way around in every game to help lead the team to the trophy.
Leading servers in the Riverview match were Scheetz and BaileyEveland. The leading hitter for the first match was Quissell and the leading passer was Smith.
College football
Houston Hodges notches 1st TD as Wabash rallies
Houston Hodges scored a touchdown in his first stint on offense, and Wabash came back from a two-touchdown deficit to knock off previously unbeaten Carnegie Mellon Saturday, 54-28.
Hodges, a Plymouth product playing both ways for the first time at the game, notched a 30-yard TD and had another 49-yard reception as Wabash took control of the game in the third quarter. He finished with two catches for 79 yards and a touchdown and now leads the Little Giants in all-purpose yards for the season. He also had five tackles on defense.
Houston's brother Austin Hodges made the defensive play of the game when he ran down a Carnegie Mellon runningback from behind after a long run in the third quarter, stripping him and forcing a fumble, which the Little Giants recovered, scoring on their next possession to take control of the game.
Former Plymouth Rockie Brock Smith also continues to make a solid contribution on special teams for Wabash.
Wabash Travels to Ohio next Saturday to take on Wittenberg University in a game that will go along way to determining the conference champion in the NCAC.
Men's college soccer
Chargers fight for win in OT
The Ancilla men's soccer team defeated Lakeland Community College 2-1 in overtime.
Alex Rosowicz's solid play in the net yielded three saves on the day. The Charger (2-4-2) offense got off to a quick start when Nakilee Weni broke through the Lakeland backline and eventually finished a rebound shot. Lakeland tied the match with a goal in the 82nd minute. Manny Awuku did not waste time notching the game-winner three minutes into the first overtime period.
The Chargers travel this weekend to Ohio featuring to play Cincinnati State and Owens Community College.
College volleyball
Ancilla volleyball splits at tri-match
The Lady Chargers won one match against host Danville Area Community College 25-17, 25-15, 25-11, and lost to South Suburban in three close sets 26-28, 23-25, 23-25 at the Danville Tri-Way.
Ancilla recorded 21 attacking errors and 10 service errors in the close loss to South Suburban.
Standouts in the match were Keri Friend on defense with 22 digs, and Kaylia Richardson and Hayley Mavrick with 11 and 10 kills respectively.
Richardson also had a strong match against Danville with 6.5 blocks and 13 kills in 23 attempts. Mieka Wagner led the defense with 11 digs for a solid job in the back row. Mavrick played consistently all day, adding 12 kills in 24 attempts. Walkerton's Jessica Moore was efficient with six kills in nine attempts.
The most pleasant surprise of the afternoon for the Lady Chargers was Sydney Beaune's 19 assists and two block solos with two block assists.
Ancilla moves to 12-8 on the season. The Chargers play today at home against Kalamazoo Valley Community College.


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This past weekend a celebration dedicated the Columbine bar. It was established in 1910 and continues to be one of the oldest operating bars in Colorado.
In 1948 it was noted in the Mancos Times as "an old bar run by old timers." It has always had a notorious reputation.
For generations the Columbine Bar, named after the Colorado state flower, has been a meeting place for family, friends and strangers, and now the Ancient Order of the E. Clampus Vitus (and the chapter of Alferd Packer fits in there somehow).
The following is from the Mancos Times of April 1894.
The funeral for Charles A. Frink took place last Saturday. He left behind a wife, three sons and a daughter. He was one of the old timers, although only 38 years old at the time of his death having come to Colorado from Iowa about 1865 with his parents who settled on the Genaros River in Pueblo County, where his mother still resides.
In 1876 he came to this part of Colorado driving a herd of cattle for Major Sheets, having charge of them for several years afterward. He located on a ranch owned by William Menefee and for some time lived there. (William Monroe "Bill" Menefee was born in the fall of 1877 and was the first white child born in the Mancos Valley. His parents came to the Mancos Valley in the spring of 1877.)
He afterward traded for the ranch upon which he has since lived and which he has made one of the finest places in our valley. Ever since coming to this section he has been engaged in the cattle business. In 1879 he was one of the party of 10 who went down into Arizona to recover the bodies of Merrick and Mitchell, who had been killed by the Navajos while prospecting for gold on or near their reservation. (Ed Merrick was one of the seven miners who settled in the Mancos Valley in 1875. Dick Giles was also one of the seven miners and built the first cabin in the Mancos Valley. His was also the first death in the valley.)
It was a perilous trip for Frink and the party of ten for the Indians were not then as quiet as they are now but they did find the bodies of Merrick and Mitchell and buried them. (There is no mention of either man in my cemetery book so they were evidently buried on the reservation.)
Mr. Frink was here during the early Indian troubles and has seen the development of this section from an unbroken wilderness. Stricken down in the very primehood, his loss will be felt by all who knew him.
(For some time Charley Frink was associated with Curg Williams of racehorse fame. Silver Dick, Curg's famous horse, won upwards of $200,000 later on for other owners.)


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Martha Speaks "Martha Speaks What's Bothering Bob?/Martha Spins A Tale" What's Bothering Bob? - What's gotten into Bob? He's off his chain and he's chasing Truman all over town. Martha Spins a Tale - It's sweltering hot and everybody is miserable.G
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NOVA "3D Spies of WWII" Alarmed by rumors of advanced rockets and missiles, Allied intelligence recruit a team from British universities and Hollywood studios to an English country house. Team members use 3D stereoscopes to view millions of air photos of German territory, and are able to spot telltale clues that reveal hidden rocket bases. With 3D graphics NOVA recreates what WWII photo spies saw, and tells the suspenseful, previously untold story.G
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Rick Steves' Europe "The Majesty of Madrid" Rick tours the lavish Royal Palace, enjoys art-packed museums, and looks deep into Picasso's greatest masterpiece. Experiencing the Spanish city at its fun-loving best, he is mesmerized by flamenco dancers and munches on pigs' ears.G
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Smart Travels - Europe with Rudy Maxa "Germany's Romantic Road" The Romantic Road winds through some of Germany's most picturesque countryside complete with medieval villages and Baroque Palaces. We start our journey in Wurzburg where we visit the spectacular Baroque Bishop's Palace or Residenz and taste wine at one of Wurzburg's many wine festivals. Next we visit the castle of the Teutonic Knights in Bad Mergentheim and a short distance away the Deutsches Auto Museum in the Renaissance Castle of Prince Hohenlohe-Langenburg. D
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The Desert Speaks "Jaguars and Vaqueros" Host David Yetman travels along with the Northern Jaguar Project to see how they use motion activated cameras to track jaguar movements through Eastern Sonora Mexico. By paying local ranch owners for any jaguar images captured on their land, this project working to convince the vaquero (the Mexican cowboy) that el tigre is worth more alive than dead. D
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GardenSMART Travel back in time with GardenSMART as we visit an 1895 home with grand outdoor gardens, charming indoor gardens, and containers you can copy. This show offers a lot to see and learn. Join us as we GardenSMART with gardening experts in Asheville, North Carolina. D
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Christina "Lighten Up....It's Only Your Health" If men's waists exceed 40 inches and women exceed 35, they are in trouble with their risk of heart-related illnesses rising with each expanding inch. Plus guts hanging over your belt just ain't pretty. And you're missing out on what's going on with your toes! Foods that can slim your waist and improve your health can be delicious when you're scrambling chickpeas. D
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I got to know Joe Carroll in the fall of 1979. He was and still is avid golfer, an all around good athlete who joined us "Early Birds" at the Madison N.J. YMCA at least three times a week. He had four loves in his life......his wife of sixty seven and half years, fast cars, golf and horses. His love of Adele was always number one. What made Joe different to many members among us Early Birds was Joe's contagious sense of humor. He came in each morning with a smile on his face ready to tease me or any other guys in his path. He left an hour or so later wishing us all a great day.
As his good friend and fellow Early Bird, Gary Ruckelshaus wrote in the endorsment of his book, " Joe Carroll does not describe himself in his memoirs as a famous person, nor would I on the other hand describe him as an "ordinary Joe." Richard Bogart, another friend, describes Joe as a man "Whose friends love him because he spends every day of his life giving so much more than he can ever recieve".
Starting to work on his way to school at the tender age of seven, he contributed most of his earnings for the next eighteen to twenty years to his mom.I cannot say it was my homilies that Joe heard once a week at St Vincent Martyr Church that made Joe such a conscientous young boy. He learned these lessons of sharing from living in a home with a hard working father, a caring mother and twelve siblings.He had them confirmed by twelve years of Catholic Education and the discipline meted out by the Sisters of Charity.
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|2004-05-23, 22:24
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|2004-05-24, 00:02
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Romanji is evil
|2004-05-24, 00:18
|Link #83
Fushigi Mystery!! @_@
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Canada, eh?
I went poking around Anime-Otaku's IRC channel, looks like they need more translators and typesetters. Probably until they get some more, there won't be any PoT anytime soon.
|2004-05-24, 03:49
|Link #84
Annoying Fangirl
I don't think I'm unjustified in being somewhat upset over the stalling on Hitsuji no Uta... there is only one episode left, and it's been well over a month since the DVD has been released. I have visited the fansubber's website and I understand that they are having problems, but it doesn't seem likely that these problems will be resolved any time soon. I really don't see the problem with your so called "vulture groups" subbing this last episode just to satisfy the fans.
I really am surprised by the arrogant attitude of many fansub and scanlation groups. I understand that you want a high quality release, but I don't think that should be put above availability. I would rather see a crappily done translation job on the last episode than none at all. When the quality translation does come out, I'll save that one of course, but in the mean time I just want to see the end of the series!
Also I hate how scanlation groups refuse to allow other groups to use their translations to translate into other languages because they can't check the quality of the translation. Hey, if I'm a German even poor quality German translations are going to do me more good than good quality English ones.
Well I really can't say too much because in the end fansubbers are doing a ton of work for us for free, but sometimes I just don't understand their attitudes :\ . I mean if I put this much time and heart into a project, I think I'd be doing it because I love the series and want it to reach as wide a fanbase as possible. If that means someone wants to use my translation to put it in German or Spanish or whatever, I'd think that was great, because now the show will reach even more fans.
|2004-05-24, 12:22
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Wannabe Magical Girl
Join Date: Nov 2003
Well, that is your point of view, because your only concern is to be able to watch anime. Now, try to get the fansubber point of view. Even if you do it for free as a hobby, you still want to do your best, and you don't want to do something crappy. And you would rather not do something that doing something you would be ashamed of.
Moreover, you probably don't want to have your name associated with a badly done scanlation. Let's say your are a cooking chief and make a recipe for a good dish. Some people mess up the cooking part and ends up with a uneatable dinner... Would you be happy that people think the dinner is bad because of you?
|2004-05-27, 10:03
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Uber Coffee for da win!
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Middle of insanity
I'm kinda pleased with this thread. I initially though it was going to degenerate and go a direction I hadn't planned for it, but so far from what I can see, it's lead to the revival of 2, possibly 3 stalled series with hints of others coming in behind it. I'm very tickled. Hats off to the subbing groups who've picked up these stalled series and are moving them to completion!
|2004-05-27, 10:53
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|2004-06-02, 15:01
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New York, USA
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|2004-06-02, 16:41
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I pity the foo!
And it's God Mars, btw.
|2004-06-02, 17:39
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Zentradi Archivist
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: #anime-classic@zirc
Panda Z is cute. It's not the greatest bloody show under the sun, and the fact that you continue to obsess at this level reflects poorly on you, us (because you drag us into it), AiA, and fans of the show in general. So you don't like Matroska? Don't download it. You don't like God Mars? Don't download it. We're not subbing Panda fast enough for you? I don't see you volunteering to help. Panda Z 1-3 were the work of two people in their spare time. N-Bomb and Kyoji both have OTHER SHOWS THAT THEY WORK ON, and so do I (Notice that my name isn't anywhere on Panda 1-3).
At this point, you have two options: put up (and help) or shut up (and deal with the matroska). In the meantime, Panda 4 will be done when we get it done.
Oh, and on your Matroska comments...I don't like it either, but WTF does "most tollerating format" mean? I think you mean "intolerable".
Re: Sun, Since the Panda-Z staff is N-Bomb and Kyoji, it's technically a co-release. Watch for more interesting naming conventions come autumn when we put God Mars on a short hiatus and start bringing some forgotten gems of the VHS genre to the digi age...
|2004-06-02, 20:03
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Lazy Turtle
Of course I hope that this means we'll see more classic Mecha action! xD
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