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Joined: 08 Jan 2012
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:47 pm
Post subject: Tips for dead onshore please
Tomorrow looks like a good day for wave riding. There will be a storm all night long and waves will get up to 10' high and the wind for the day is expected to blow 15-25mph.The problem is that it will be a dead onshore at the launch. I will appreciate any tips for going thru the shorebreak etc. My boards are a 93lt FSW and a WindSUP and my sails are a 5.8 Kult and a 5.0 Revo
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:02 pm
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Keep your speed up, make progress to windward in between the waves, (esp on the backside of each one.)
Avoid the whitewater where you can, as it pushes you towards the beach. Sometimes you have to give up windward progress just to avoid the whitewater
Big fin/bigger sail than you think.
The SUP will be tough as more likely to catch whitewater.
You can shlog it outside if you are good at shlogging but you gotta be able to get close to the wind to do it,
One way or the other, you have to get the whole kit away from the beach as far as possible to begin.....Once you are out.....you should be good
Good luck...Rig Big!
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Location: St Petersburg Fl
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:27 pm
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Where are you windsurfing at? My experience with on shore winds and waves is you need a bit more power to get out thru the shore break since you have waves coming at you. So rig a bit big and the 93lt board. Watch the waves and see where it's breaking the worst and the least. Time your take off so you can run in between the sets of waves, that way your running in between two waves, if you find a wave about to break, turn down wind a bit, out run the breaking section and run for the non breaking shoulder of the wave and go 45 degrees up that face and sail down the back side of the wave, watch for the next wave behind it and try to do the same thing. so your not caught by a breaking wave. Repeat until your on the out side of the shore break. It's tricky and I've gotten munched a few times when there is no place to go except into an oncoming wave just try to keep some power on so you don't stall out completely get half way up and the wave starts to push you backwards. That's not good. One other thing if you fall or get taken out try to keep the mast pointed towards the incoming wave so it doesn't get down wind where it can dig into the bottom and the next wave tries to fold everything over like a taco. I also try to hold on to the booms so the rig doesn't go over the falls on a wave that way you can water start and get the rig back up as soon as possible and get going again! But sometimes that doesn't work out either. Some times it's a few waves on the head and in the rinse cycle. Good luck and hope this helps.
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:35 pm
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I'll be on the Indiana -south shore of Lake Michigan .
What size fin would you recommend for the 93 lt in those conditions?
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Location: East Bay
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:29 pm
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Need to know your size, the windspeed, and what kind of fin.
Use something bigger than normal for the wind, waves upwind of you will block the wind a lot, so walk out as far as you can beachstart, then go along the shore to pick up speed, and then start the long process of getting out while sailing along the shore.
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:57 pm
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You will have a lot more fun driving up the Lake one side or another, more launches on Michigan side. Might be a total flail if the wind is truly dead onshore. dhmark
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:05 pm
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dhmark wrote:
You will have a lot more fun driving up the Lake one side or another, more launches on Michigan side. Might be a total flail if the wind is truly dead onshore. dhmark
Well this is what everybody else here will be doing. But I'm stubborn /read stupid/ and I want to make it on THAT beach
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:29 am
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While I sail in the ocean most of the time, there can be those days where it's both very windy and terribly onshore in direction. The problem is the super short period in between the breaking waves and the lack of any lulls. Add a lot of current running down the beach, and it becomes a real nightmare.
All you can hope for a sudden opening while moving along the shoreline to quickly edge out. It could be a stretch where the curve of shoreline and the depth of the water can give to the brief moment you need. But, if you are correct in that the breaking surf will be up to 10 feet, it's going to be incredibly tough.
For myself there have been days where you spend better than 30-40 minutes being constantly pummeled and worked on the inside, and then suddenly you make it out. On the other hand, there have been days where I couldn't make it out and have to give up. Needless to say, it's very frustrating and humbling when that occurs. Yet, it can happen to anyone on occasion. A number of years back in a PWA wave event at Sylt when the shorebreak was running 8+ feet and nasty, many pros were getting totally thrashed big time just trying to get out. One can only imagine their frustration and embarrassment getting humiliated in front of a huge crowd.
If the conditions are particularly nasty, you just might want to drive to a more favorable launch site. The extra drive time just might preclude busting up some expensive equipment. There's little worse than having a $1000 day and never making it off the beach.
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:12 am
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adywind wrote:
dhmark wrote:
You will have a lot more fun driving up the Lake one side or another, more launches on Michigan side. Might be a total flail if the wind is truly dead onshore. dhmark
Well this is what everybody else here will be doing. But I'm stubborn /read stupid/ and I want to make it on THAT beach
It's really easiest to find a more sideshore beach, or a beach where you have some kind of breakwater or something to launch from behind. Or if it has to be onshore, a beach with a more gradual slope will make the waves break gentler and over a larger area. Steep beach and onshore winds with big waves is nasty.
If you're going for it anyway, just make sure you're powered up. If the 5.8 isn't enough you're going to be in trouble. A little less downhaul and outhaul than usual should give more power. Then it's a dance of bearing downwind for speed, alternating with pinching upwind to get out and over the whitewater. If the waves are "peaky" you can sometimes avoid the breaking part by judiciously pinching upwind or scooting downwind of it.
I'd go for a fin in the 25 - 30 cm range, with a thick profile to provide more low-end planing power. A knife-thin fin won't give you enough low-end power to get planing quickly between crossing lines of whitewater.
If the slope of the beach is gentle and / or the waves turn out to be less than head high, the WindSUP could work. I just wouldn't want to have the big board out in really crushing conditions.
Let us know how it goes.
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:33 am
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10 ft straight onshore sounds like a real goat rope with basically washing machine and very difficult to get out. Best bet is to find a side shore spot somewhere else along your nearby coastline.
Scenario here is basically entering the water, getting smashed by shorepound, and washing into the beach with perhaps some broken gear. If you do make it past the shore pound, will be sailing straight up and down the beach with waves/whitewater pushing you back toward the beach. Riding waves too is difficult as it will be very messy and not much fun. Likely to have the board/kit swept out from under you if you are too close to a 10 footer as its all moving "downwind."
Of course, if you are a wave kiteboarder, that setup is their dream conditions!
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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
This has been a very productive year for the Hawaii Karate Museum. Here are some of the highlights:
Our article, Kentsu Yabu's Senior Students in Hawaii, appeared in Classical Fighting Arts, Issue #8, 2006. This appears to be the first pre-War Karate photo from Hawaii to appear on the cover of any major magazine. The cover shows Kitatsu Kawamae and Kitaro Kawakami.
I was also very happy to see a translation of Chosin Chibana's Karate-Do No Kokoroe appear in Classical Fighting Arts. The translation was by my very good friend and mentor, Sensei Pat Nakata. The Hawaii Karate Museum also provided never before seen photos of Chibana Sensei performing Naihanchi Shodan for a pictoral accompanying the translation. I also wrote a short profile about Nakata Sensei. That issue really meant a lot to me!
On March 16, 2006, a very nice article about my family appeared in the Island Life section of the Honolulu Advertiser. The article is entitled Family Follows His Karate Moves: Goodin clan from Aiea spends quality time in classes perfecting martial arts, staying fit. The next day, a gentleman from Mililani called and donated over 100 historic Karate photos from Okinawa to the museum! The photos were of Choshin Chibana, the instructor of my friend, Sensei Pat Nakata.
This year we obtained dozens of books for our rare book collection (now over 500 books), including:
Hayanawa Kappo Kenpo Kyohan Zukai, Zen, Complete Illustrated Book of the Teaching Method of the Hayanawa Kenpo and Method of Resuscitation. Published May 17, 1896 (Meiji 29).
Rentan Goshin Toudi Jutsu. Toudi (Karate) Arts: Polish Your Courage for Self Defense, by Gichin Funakoshi. Published by Daisoko Bundo. Originally published March 10, 1925 (Taisho 14). 6th printing, April 1, 1926 (Taisho 15).
Karate (Toudi) Kenpo, Karate Research Society Vice President Mizuho Mutsu (also known as Zuiho Mutsu and formerly known as Mizuho Takada). Published August 15, 1933 (Showa 8). Donated by Shihan Bobby Lowe.
What Is Self Defense? (Kenpo Jiu-Jitsu), by Professor James M. Mitose. Written in 1947. Published in 1953. (Rare Two Man cover)
Karate-Do Ichiro, by Gichin Funakoshi. First edition, 1956.
We received many donations of artifacts, including a pair of iron geta worn by Mas Oyama, donated by Shihan Bobby Lowe, a bo (staff) that belonged to Shinken Taira, and a practice eku (oar), both donated by Sensei Pat Nakata.
We have an Exhibit about Goju-Ryu instructor Tomu Arakawa at the Hawaii Okinawa Center.
We were interviewed by OkinawaBBtv.com about the Hawaii Karate Museum. We have also begun preliminary work on a documentary about early Karate in Hawaii. We will let you know more as the project moves forward.
I also remained active with the Hawaii Karate Kodanshakai.
In April of next year, I will be going to Okinawa for training and to acquire items for the Hawaii Karate Museum.
Of course, there is much more going on than I can write here. Even at this moment, we are working on the presentation of a very historic set of interviews -- stay tuned. Thank you very much for you support of the Hawaii Karate Museum. We are growing because of your generosity. If you have any old Karate books, articles, photos, or weapons, please think of us as a place to preserve them for future generations.
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P.S. If anyone ever finds the films of Chojun Miyagi reportedly taken during his 1934 visit to Hawaii, please contact me. We're also looking for originals of Choki Motobu's two books. Finding them would really be something!
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Another night, another blown call, but Hernandez's last night in Cleveland was compounded by his bullish behavior afterward, which should be met with swift and forceful action by Commissioner Bud Selig.
With two outs in the ninth inning, Oakland's Adam Rosales apparently hit a game-tying home run, only to have Hernandez rule it a double.
No problem, there's the home run review process, which will surely right this wrong, give Rosales his homer that would tie the game at 4-4, and play on from there.
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"Probably the only four people in the ballpark,'' Oakland manager Bob Melvin said about the umpire's non-reversal.
Replays clearly showed the ball struck a metal railing over the padded outfield wall. More to the point, after striking the railing, the ball ricocheted as you know it would when it strikes metal. Umpire supervisor Jim McKean told ESPN.
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europa wrote:It's certainly worth looking at as a fine tuning exercise when I get the bars closer to the right height though ... or do you find it makes a dramatic difference?
I find it makes a small difference in much the same way as one puts one's seat slightly off centre.
europa wrote:It's a pity you can't loosen the neck and allow the bars to find their own place like you can a saddle.
I can I have a neck extender fitted, and also a centre pull canti mount which locks the neck in place.


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Saw Warpaint in Portsmouth last year and they were supported by Crystal Stilts, very impressive.
Weirdly, I saw the oft-maligned Gomez open for Pearl Jam who had this incredible first song, that was buy-the-album-worthy.
Who was the best support band you've seen that you hadn't heard of before and then became a fan of.
The Twilight Sad
Opening for Mogwai. They blew me away, and Mogwai were even better.Elfrim, justanothersheeldz, flackcaptain, and andrewk this'd this
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Jarcrew supporting mclusky at the Roadhouse 2001/2?
Kelson going crazy.
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McCluskey Supporting The Fall
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Mclusky supporting Union Kid Upstairs @ the Garage
except that Union Kid never showed up, due to the petrol strikes, and Mclusky played to about six people.
Which is a shame, because they were ace then, as ever after.
Mclusky supported The Fall?
That sounds like the perfect gig.
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I saw Mars Volta supporting Les Savy Fav in 2002 (I think)
They'd just released Tremulant.chasingabee this'd this
I saw them on that tour in Manchester
They were booed quite badly, Flea came out and told everyone to pipe down.
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Bought alligator next day!
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what on earth possessed the 'Head to accept that arrangement?
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Lionheart Brothers
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after that, I decided it was my duty to myself to catch as many of his performances as possible.
Good to see some DTB love on here
Love all of his stuff but I haven't been able to get to a gig of his, though my brother has and said it was one of the best he has been to.
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Bought 3 albums at the gig. Love them.
What a great line-up! Very jealous...
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The Computers
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The Computers are such a fun live band.
Seeing them this Wednesday at Green Door Store in Brighton
- MIDDLEMAN this'd this
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Superstar supporting Radiohead
Youthmovies supporting someone or other...
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seriously doubt SR would have ever broken throug if not for said tourkostenurky and twentynine this'd this
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I dunno,
I remember there being an awful lot of hype around them and Ágætis byrjun before they played those shows.Matt_was_taken this'd this
yeah, bit of drunken hyperbole there
I do think it was a major leg up for them, though, would have happened for them anyway perhaps but think they would have taken longer to reach their current level of success without it.
Oh, it certainly gave them a leg up, and their biggest exposure up to that point,
but I'd be surprised if there were many in the tent that didn't know of them beforehand.
Pretty sure it was only Clinic when I saw them on that tour
Unless my mind is playing tricks on me.
yeah we only got clinic in glasgow
they were rubbish too :(
pure reason revolution supporting mew at the ICA circa 2005/06
is up there. don't really like them on record, but the performance blew me away.
PRR were a great live band.
Sadly they are no kore.
Sadly they are no Korn.
I remember seeing a band called Hovercraft
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Cocteau Twins supporting OMD circa '83
and British Sea Power supporting the Flaming Lips
M83 supporting Secret Machines at OxfordZodiac
Couldn't believe how good they were. This was when there were two of them and they were more shoegazey.
Sparklehorse & Baby Bird supporting Tindersticks
NME brats show at the Astoria in 1996 - hadn't seen/heard either of them before but became a big fan of both (I think it was the night that Linkous ended up passing out on valium and fucking up his legs)
also, I think the first time I saw/heard My Bloody Valentine was supporting Pixies in 1988
and Hole were really good supporting Mudhoney in Manchester 1991
Incredibly jealous of anyone that saw Sparklehorse
What was it like? I can't imagine the live presence was particularly strong consisering the way the records sound
At that gig they were fantastic
He had a multi-instrumentalist guy in the band at that time who was a fantastic musician and they sounded really great.
But then I saw them a couple of times later that year (supporting Mazzy Star at the Union Chapel and then back at the Astoria headlining) and the guy was no longer in the band and they didn't sound as good.
I didn't really enjoy the second Astoria show for some reason, although I do remember them playing Cow - my favourite song at the time - and announcing it was the first time they had ever performed it live.
I I saw Sparklehorse in Bristol supported by Gemma Hayes in 2001
One of my favourite gigs ever. Besides purchasing my favourite ever band t-shirt, Sparklehorse were just great. Such a small space, bouncing from fragile to rocking... I vividly remember 'Pig' being even better than on record.
There's nothing like seeing one of your favourite bands in an intimate space...
I imagine that Heaven - if I ever get to see it - is Mark Linkous in a converted barn playing all night long.
Pig is such an amazing song. Such an awful loss for the world of music
I saw Sparkly at ATP
I'm a huge fan of his. I had Dreamt for Light Years on repeat in the car on the way down. Sadly, he didn't come across at all well at ATP. I was right at the front, and he looked very nervous.
Such a huge talent. I can't believe we lost him.
Idlewild, supporting Ash in the late 90s.
Within a week I'd gone out and bought everything they'd hitherto done.
In terms of seeing a support band who then went on to become massive, it was probably Muse, supporting 3 Colours Red, I wrote them off as Radiohead wannabes.
factory floor, supporting the horrors
at electric ballroom. really didnt care about going but my sister had a spare ticket so i agreed. saw FF, found a new favourite band
Secret Machines
supporting, I think, Interpol. Walked on stage, and just played. Didn't say a word. This was when their first album came out.
Then I saw them when they toured their second album, and they supported themselves. Never seen that before...
supporting Vampire Weekend, weirdly enough. It was at Kings College Student Union, and was pretty awesome to watch the rest of the VW fans stand there in complete confusion as to why a bunch of moody ladies were opening :D
Dead Conferderate
Supporting A Place To Bury Strangers a couple of years ago in Manchester.
Bo Ningen and Toy were both absolutely incredible when they supported The Horrors in Bristol earlier this year.
Was also very impressed with Toro Y Moi when they supported Foals back in 2010, although I'm not a fan of their records. Also, Remember Remember, who supported Errors earlier this year, they were surprisingly good.
I should say, mistake on my behalf, I did know of both Toy and Bo Ningen before seeing them, but had only ever heard a couple of songs and certainly wouldn't have said I "knew" them.
Admiral Fallow
supporting Frightened Rabbit
Sonic Youth
supporting Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, on their Bad Moon Rising tour. I went out & bought the album the next day.
I had a very similar experience, maybe a year or so later, seeing Sonic Youth supporting Jesus & Mary Chain. Bought Evol day after
Andrew Bird
Supporting Clem Snide at St Bonaventure's Parish club in Bristol. Just after Weather Systems came out. Backstage was a sofa at the back of the part of the pub that had been cordoned off to make a stage. Absolutely incredible and rendered Clem Snide's set entirely unnecessary.
Super Pattern supporting Dan Deacon this year
Super Pattern were a brilliant new find. Dent May also supported, but i knew his stuff pretty well beforehand. One of the best gigs of the year, for sure.
Oceansize and Biffy Clyro
supporting The Cooper Temple Clause in around 2001/02ish at Manchester Academy 3 (may have been called the Hop & Grape then). All three bands were brilliant.
The Stills and Franz Ferdinand supported Interpol at Academy 1 in summer 2003. Hadn't heard anything by either by that point.
Both gigs up there with the best I've ever been to.
The Twilight Sad supporting Idlewild
though I did listen to a song or two in the run up to the gig and fell in love with Walking For Two Hours. Which they didn't play. :(
still so annoyed I didn't go to see those two playing together
in an old church no less :((
Kurt Vile
supporting Panda Bear. Having seen him play headline shows since then, it feels bizzarre to have watched him go first on to a half-full venue, he wasn't even the only support act. Think PB chose him personally.
King Creosote supporting Belle and Sebastian
Jim Noir supporting the Super Furry Animals
St Vincent supporting The National
As someone above has already mentioned Loney Dear supporting The Boy Least Likely To.
Adebisi Shank
supporting ASIWYFA at their S/T album launch. Near the top of my list of favourite bands now
saw ABO support
Lemonheads , they were ace.
Alt-J supporting Wild Beasts
The Ghost of A Thousand supporting Reuben
Jonquil supporting Youthmovies
supporting Galaxie 500 &, I think, another band @ the Subterranea in '89. Pretty jaw-dropping at that point.
I was there in 1968
I was there at the first Can show in Cologne
I was there in 1974 at the first Suicide practices in a loft in New York City.andyvine this'd this
the first time I saw Bong I was well impressed
they were supporting Boris and totally blew them off the stage. The set was later released under the name 'A Roomful of Cunts'.
The Dodos
opening for Akron/Family springs to mind.
tool supporting rage against the machine
Adem supporting hope of the states
the god machine supporting silverfish
such a fun tour. cherry falls were good too.
Thumpermonkey supporting Knifeworld
Barringtone supporting Thumpermonkey and Knifeworld at the next gig :D
Knifeworld are ace too. Kavus is a legend.
every band mentioned in that post is a little bit godlike
Can throw in William D Drake's solo work which I first heard at Roastfest and have been obsessing about since
Elastica & Echobelly
supporting Pulp at Sheffield Leadmill. November 1993.
For me Elastica supporting Truman's Water at Windsor Old Trout
Elastica's first gig, or so she said
Dirty Projectors
Supporting Beirut. In fairness throughout and for days after I couldn't figure out if I found them astounding or just shit. So I took a punt on them at a small headline gig in Whitechapel. Never looked back.
Also, not strictly support, but Tune-Yards late-late addition to ATP Breeders line-up. Reds Bar, 00.15am on the final night, crowd of 80. Everyone was eating out or Merill's hand within three tunes.
Mogwai supporting the Manics on the 'This is My Truth' tour
Still probably the loudest performance I've ever seen. They said they set out each night to hurt the audience, I think they succeeded...
They got some terrible abuse on that tour from hardcore Manics fans
I remember the show at Stoke Trentham Gardens being particularly horrible for them. A shame too as they were incredible every night I saw them.
Hope of the States supporting the Polyphonic Spree at the Astoria in 2003
Was at the front, and really enjoyed their set. and then after the set, but before the Spree came on, the singer Sam chap came through the crowd behind us to say thank you to us for appreciating their set. He seemed really chuffed and pleased.
In terms of never hearing the support band before
hope of the states supporting sleepy jackson
youthmovies supporting cat on form
foals supporting battles
adam gande and bllod red shoes supporting youthmovies
these monsters supporting that fucking tank
scarfo supporting 60ft dolls
m ward supporting beth orton
distopia supporting seafood
action beat supporting do make say thinksure I will think of loads more when I'm not trying to
My Bloody Valentine supporting Soup Dragons
And as I posted further up already, Sonic Youth supporting J&MC. Another vote for Mogwai too, this time supporting Yurasai Yatsura, on what was a double header tour I think. Does Palma Violets supporting Savages count? I won't linger on Coldplay supporting Terris, but I believe they went on to bigger and better things
I saw he Test Icicles supporting Babyshambles, once - in 2003 I think.
I was with my brother and he thought they were dreadful. I remember saying - I hate to say it mate, but they'll probably be quite big.
Not that they were 'BIG' as such, but they did get 'big' at one point. Always thought they were a poor mans Blood Brothers myself.
i usually find out who the support are and ruin it for myself
but there has been the odd occasion where i've walked in and not know anything about the support.
Body Parts supporting Meursault at their 3rd album launch in Edinburgh. Jenny Reeve and Jill from Sparrow and the Workshop. Don't even know how to describe it. Reminded me of all the female harmonies in Dirty Projectors songs without the annoying male vocal.
Conquering Animal Sound, again supporting Meursault in Edinburgh. different gig though. this was the 2nd album launch.
Dutch Uncles supporting Bombay Bicycle Club in Glasgow about 3 years ago. Went home and listened to them, think they were loads better live.
Errors supporting Findo Gask. Tiny little gig in Nice n Sleazy's. Also saw a guy called Tangles supporting Findo. He blew me away, wonder what he's up to now.
NZCA/Lines supported Django Django earlier this year in Dundee. that was one of the best gigs I've been to all year.
The Phantom Band supporting Frightened Rabbit.
yeah, these were all pleasant surprises.
Not very often these days
that I don't look up who the supports are & check out their music before the gig.
think it was at a HIFH gig in Bristol, Fleece.
Adam Gnade and Blood Red Shoes at Youthmovies.
Forward Russia at Editors.
Just remembered I also saw Elastica's first ever gig
supporting Truman's Water at the Old Trout in Windsor (RIP)
sparse crowd but they were pretty good
Rilo Kiley supporting Bright Eyes
At MCR Academy 2. Saw them a couple of months later at Night and Day too.
The Locust supporting Yeah Yeah Yeah's
Biffy Clyro supporting Deftones (just before Vertigo came out)
Forward Russia supporting We Are Scientists
Holy Fuck supporting Foals
Stellastarr* supporting Ash
Twilight Sad supporting Smashing Pumpkins
Friendly Fires supporting Interpol
Elbow supporting Doves
Just as Asleep at the Back (album) was about to come out.
Throwing Muses supporting Cocteau Twins. Showing my age a bit there.
Biffy Clyro supporting Inme
Idewild supporting Ash
Coldplay supporting Muse
Killers supporting Stellastar
I saw the Killers support Stellastarr* at King Tuts. About 2 months later they were playing a sold out gig there. Was at that too and I think it was either Bloc Party or Maximo Park that supported them.
Justice Yeldham supporting Kid606 & knifehandchop (massive WTF moment)
Flat Earth Society supporting Fantomas
Bo Ningen supporting Drum Eyes
Oh, just a little band called ON A FRIDAY supporting Shed Seven.
They were, and still are, nowhere near as good Shed Seven.
oceansize supporting tctc
pure reason revolution supporting oceansize
mew supporting elbow
reuben supporting someone i cant remember
Factory floor supporting Liars
blown away
Trail of Dead supporting Six by Seven
Astoria, 2000. Zan Lyons played too. God that was a good night.
I'll add Six By Seven supporting Gorky's and Super Furry Animals,
Newcastle Uni, 1998.
Good gig that.
Gallops supporting Maybeshewill last Friday
They were way better than Maybeshewill. Tom Vek supporting Soulwax and Midlake supporting The Earlies are two older ones that come to mind.
sigur ros supporting radiohead
elbow supporting new order
doves supporting new order
pixies supporting throwing muses
galaxie 500 supporting throwing muses
frightened rabbit supporting death cab for cutie
admiral fallow supporting frightened rabbit
2:54 supporting warpaint
a band of buriers supporting micah p hinson
i had heard
of elbow but not heard anything by them
a bit of a cheat on pixies as i had heard a few songs by pixies on peel (it was their first uk tour, think it may have been the first date of it - birmingham burberries) & probably heard the first doves album so that's a massive cheat, but not 100% - would have to work out wehen it was
galaxie 500, sigur ros, 2:54, admiral fallow, band of buriers & frightened rabbit were all new to me
& saw all of them again after apart from band of buriers, but that was only last week
2:54 good call there,
did you get the album, if so thoughts?
i wasnt much taken with it to start with
thought it was a bit of a let down after the singles
so i left it for a bit, but on listening to it again recently i really like it
I felt pretty much the same
Some songs really stood out, Creeping, Revolving, You're Early and obviously Scarlet, but it became way too samey
jarcrew supporting million dead 2003
thats about it
The Verve
Supporting the Black Crowes in 92
- bj72 this'd this
I suppose probably Patrick Wolf (circa WITW)
supporting Bloc Party (circa Silent Alarm)
Saw the Cardiacs supporting the Wildhearts
must have been 2003/04? Had never heard them before and found most of their set to be slightly bizarre, yet felt compelled to check out as much of their music as possible afterwards.
TV on the Radio supporting Massive Attack
Brixton Academy 2004. They were really good! But quite often support acts there get completely lost as the crowd mills around, goes to the bar, plays frisbee etc. Saw Spoon supporting Interpol there too (I knew who Spoon were though), and the crowd barely registered their presence :(
Maybe not the best
but i saw franz ferdinand support Interpol at liquid rooms in edinburgh in 2003, can remember walking downstairs and take me out was playing, can remember the breakdown bit. There were about 20 odd people there. A year later they were headlining venues.
Foo Fighters supporting the Prodigy fucking years ago.
Friend took me along to see the prodigy who i did very much like, we got there just as the support band started, immediately i shouted 'fucking hell these guys are immense'
I asked the chap next to me who they were and he explained it was nirvanas drummers new band.
The prodigy were pish by comparison.
Three which come to mind:
Dirty Three supporting Pavement, Collingwood Town Hall, Melbourne, July 1994. They remain my favourite band to this day.
Micah P Hinson supporting Joanna Newsome at Leeds City Varieties, 2004-ish. He finished with 'Day Texas Sank to the Bottom of the Ocean' (which I think is the only time I've seen him perform it live) and the room seemed to be stunned into silence at the end. I was pretty quiet, anyway.
David T Broughton: Holy Trinty Church, Leeds. Probably supporting A Hawk and A Hacksaw, maybe 2005 or 2006-ish. The first and still the best I've seen him.
- deanzor this'd this
Grandaddy supporting Super Furry Animals - Astoria 1998
They opened with AM180 which grabbed everyone's attention. Next day I bought Under The Western Freeway and an obsession was borne.
Pulp supporting St Etienne just before Razzmatazz came out.
They were (of course) amazing.
St Etienne were a bit whatevs after that.
Yo La Tengo
Sandwiched between Seam and Screaming Trees at Camden Underworld in 92. I'd heard the name but that was about it. They were wonderful and I had to wait until a gig at the garage in 97 to see them again.
Mogwai, supporting Uresei Yatsura, before they were signed to Chemikal Underground...
Liars supporting Sonic Youth
Sigur Ros supporting Godspeed You! Black Emporer on the latters F#A# tour
Probably a few more
dEUS supporting Placebo in...96?
(I know, I know)
I went to this gig
dEUS pissed on Placebo.
do festival shows count?
uresei yatsura in reading 98 werre awesome
only went in the tent cos it was raining
Only a few spring to mind
Alexander Tucker supporting Boris at The Garage
Birds in Row supporting Punch at The Grosvenor
Roy Harper supporting Joanna Newsom at the Royal Festival Hall
Duchess Says supporting Yeah Yeah Yeahs at Brixton Academy
Supporting Phoenix at the Mean Fiddler in 2004. Just before 'Let It Die' came out. Was pretty captivating stuff, just her and a guitar.
zabrinski supporting super furry animals
were great, a couple of times and before gorkys.
dump, the guy from yo la tengo supporting ylt on the wheel spin tour last year was really good.
a couple already mentioned from manc student union, i'd plus one- rilo kiley before bright eyes and spektrum before !!!
so easy to hear bands online now, it's rare to get a nice surprise of a support band.
Ume - twice...
Last year I went to a tiny local venue knowing only that Cursive were headlining, but I didn't know who they were, either. Second act was a post-shoegaze rock trio from Austin, TX called Ume. Totally blew me away. I was so satisfied with their performance that I just bought their CD and left at the end of the set (plus I had to work in the morning).
Two weeks ago I did the exact same thing. Ume were opening for Toadies and Helmet. Stayed for Ume and a third of Toadies' set, went home satisfied (had a long drive). That's right. I didn't stay for Helmet. :O
i love ume
wish they would play outside of that london
All the ingredients are there, it's just a matter of timing.
They seem to impress everybody who sees them - if they can fend off lineup changes and tour exhaustion they should be huge soon. They don't have quite the pop touches of The Joy Formidable but they run in a similar vein so the crossover potential does exist.
Two Gallants
that was pretty decent.
Totally Enormous Extinct Dinosaurs
supporting Darwin Deez (ho, ho, ho)
Never seen a support band get so many people dancing.
Also never seen a support band with strobe lights, a disco ball, dancers and a glitter cannon
Sian Alice Group
supporting A Place to Bury Strangers in 2008
I was at the ICA gig too.
I first saw Sian Alice supporting The Black Angels a few months earlier. Brilliant live band. Sian, Ben and Steve are now in Eaux. Rupert is drumming for Oh Ruin and New Build. He's one of the best live drummers I've ever seen.
Fuck Buttons supporting Mogwai
in Edinburgh three or four years ago. Immediately went out and bought the album next day. Seen a few decent supports but that's the one that springs to mind.
I was at that gig
and thought they were awful.
Hummingbird 1992
Must have been a good year, Pavement supporting Sonic Youth and Mercury Rev supporting Ride.
Also, in 1993, not the best support band but Oasis supporting Saint Etienne at the Birmingham Institute, a few months before they released Supersonic. Just remember standing at the bar and thinking that they were just T-Rex/Beatles mimics and that NME/MM must be mad if they think this band are going to be big!
The Favours on an all day bill at Hackney Ocean.
Although seeing Drop Out Venus at Roundhouse Studios back in February has informed my entire subsequent gig going year.
Olivia Tremor Control supporting Gorky's.
Had never heard of them. They were amazeballs as the kids say.chasingabee this'd this
Kong supporting Queenadreena
Probably tops it. Big Pink supporting Muse before ABHoL came out. Shame that, bar 1313, Future This wasn't great.
Esben and the Witch supporting Deerhunter
in Brighton in 2009 springs to mind. Or twilight Sad supporting brakes at the great escape the same year.
Supporting Dinosaur Pile-Up a few years ago.
Ones that spring to mind-
Radiohead supporting Leatherface (92?buckley tivoli)
Neutral Milk Hotel supporting Sparklehorse (Manchester '98)
Arab strap/Mogwai/Super furry animals/0livia tremor control supporting Gorkys Zygotic Mynci
Sigur Ros supporting Godspeed
Spiritualized supporting Sonic Youth
Pavement supporting Belly
HTRK supporting Tenebrous Liar
(I think it was Tenebrous Liar, it was definitely Steve Gullick's band, at least). I think it was in 2006, maybe 2007.
Here's my list
I have seen the vast majority on this list multiple times as a result of seeing them support first from the list below
23/05/1990 - Warrior Soul supporting Metallica @ Wembley Arena
14/07/1993 - Tribe After Tribe supporting Pearl Jam @ Brixton Academy
06/02/2000 - The Tea Party supporting Queensryche @ Brixton Academy
05/09/2000 - Sona Fariq supporting The Sisters Of Mercy @ The Forum
29/04/2005 - The Duke Spirit supporting Kasabian @ Brighton Centre
21/05/2005 - The Soledad Brothers supporting The Duke Spirit @ The Astoria
26/05/2005 - The Longcut supporting The Music @ The Astoria
31/05/2005 - Archie Bronson Outfit supporting The Duke Spirit @ Oxford Zodiac
15/08/2005 - Amplifier supporting Oceansize @ Camden Barfly
23/09/2005 - Josh T Pearson supporting Archie Bronson Outfit @ Camden Barfly
03/11/2005 - Dolittle supporting Miles Hunt @ Half Moon, Putney
15/12/2005 - Viarosa supporting Archie Bronson Outfit @ The Elbow Rooms, Islington
30/03/2006 - Model Morning supporting Mark Gardener @ The Luminaire
19/04/2006 - The Boxer Rebellion supporting Pure Reason Revolution @ Islington Academy
20/04/2006 – Jawbone supporting Archie Bronson Outfit @ The Spitz
24/08/2006 – The Tamborines supporting Fields @ The Legion
11/09/2006 – Spotlight Kid supporting Amusementparksonfire @ The Luminaire
26/10/2006 – Kid Harpoon supporting Fields @ The Borderline
06/02/2007 – Wolf & Cub supporting Wolfmother @ Hammersmith Apollo
19/02/2007 – The Early Years headlining over Wolf & Cub @ The Luminaire
15/05/2008 – Sian Alice Group supporting The Black Angels @ ICA
30/05/2008 – Eat Lights Become Lights supporting Vessels @ Queen Of Hoxton
02/09/2008 – Sh*t & Shine supporting Faust @ Cargo
11/09/2008 – 93millionmilesfromthesun supporting Spc Eco @ Buffalo Bar
16/12/2008 – Babel supporting Frightened Rabbit @ Brixton Windmill
18/12/2008 – The Brothers Movement supporting The Black Angels @ ULU
13/01/2009 – David Hope supporting The Duke Spirit @ The Lido, Berlin
16/02/2009 – The Joy Formidable supporting Secret Machines @ Islington Academy
06/04/2009 – Dead Confederate supporting A Place To Bury Strangers @ KCLSU
07/04/2009 – Magna Saga (now Crystal Head) supporting Dead Confederate @ the Victoria, Mile End
03/09/2009 – Monsters Build Mean Robots supporting Sian Alice Group @ The Freebutt, Brighton
10/09/2009 – Bo Ningen supporting Anchorsong @ The Lexington
03/10/2009 – Jesus Deluxe, Delta Mainline & Guile all supporting Exit Calm @ Queens Hall, Nuneaton
03/11/2009 – Phantom & Daniel Land & The Modern Painters supporting The Tamborines @ Queen Of Hoxton
06/11/2009 – Galchen supporting Frightened Rabbit @ The Lexington
22/11/2009 – The Blood Choir supporting Viarosa @ The Slaughtered Lamb
29/04/2010 – Dark Horses supporting Black Rebel Motorcycle Club @ Concorde 2, Brighton
21/05/2010 – Teeth Of The Sea @ The MacBeth (Stag & Dagger Festival)
01/07/2010 – Koolaid Electric Company supporting Elephant Stone @ The MacBeth
02/10/2010 – The Fauns supporting Phantom @ Camden Barfly
16/03/2011 – Woodsmen @ Cheer Up Charlie's (SxSW Festival, Austin, Texas)
01/05/2011 – Toba Caldera supporting Jesus Deluxe @ Inspire, Coventry
17/05/2011 – The Yams supporting Our Mountain @ The Rainbow, Birmingham
25/05/2011 – The Computers supporting The Duke Spirit @ King Tut's Wah Wah Hut, Glasgow
06/06/2011 – The Creatures Of love supporting The Winchell Riots @ Old Blue Last
31/08/2011 – Fallulah supporting The Creatures Of Love @ The Old Queens Head, Islington
22/02/2012 – Thee Piatcions & The Anteloids supporting Koolaid Electric Co @ Corsica Studios
24/03/2012 – The Lost Rivers supporting Domino State @ Brixton Windmill
17/05/2012 – IO Echo supporting PINS @ Birthdays
13/09/2012 – City Seventeen supporting A Place To Bury Strangers @ Junction 2, Cambridge
29/09/2012 – Mugstar @ Liverpool Psych Festival
I saw Pure Reason Revolution support themselves 1st time out at Camden Barfly 12/01/2006. I liked the name of the band, but I'd never heard a note)
I do go to gigs to see support bands, so sometimes I have never heard the headliner. The Early Years gig above is up there amongst my Top 20 gigs of all time. Simply stunning.
Flaming lips (Soft Bulletin) Supporting Mercury Rev (Deserter's Songs)
They blew Rev so far out of the water they ended up somewhere on the Mongolian Plateau.
I'd never heard the Lips before. It was at UEA. Think it was the day before SB released. They had the gong, nun puppets, blood, eye ball operations. I never saw them in such an intimate venue again. Such an amazing surprise.
Actually, not really an intimate venue..
more the fact that they weren't on the stage, just set up right in front of the crowed with a projector.
Electric Eel Shock
opened for The Datsuns (stop it, we saw any "garage" band back then). Black Keys were the middle band on the bill. EES were boss.
Forgone Conclusion
supporting Texaswaterwings this'd this
Surprised no one
has mentioned the Strokes supporting Trail of Dead in 2001, some of you have mentioned this in the past?
Forget Cassettes supported Trail of Dead in 2005 (apt as ToD had a long running trend of stealing band members from the former over the years!) and they/she were like a punk rock Tori Amos, their album Salt gets a spin at least once every couple of months as a result.
Superchunk always used to have great supports, they re-introduced me to the Beatnik Filmstars and had Idlewild (around the time of the Chandelier single) supporting, one of the best sets I've ever seen, and a credit that Superchunk were just as good.
A clunky angular band called Elevate were perennial supports in the mid-nineties, first saw them support Cable and then tried to see them as much as possible, very Fall/Gallon Drunk-ish and great.
Oh, also, Cat on Form supporting Part Chimp's first ever show at Silver Rocket, I felt like my face had been torn off and handed back to me it was so intense!
Joanna Newsom
Supporting Smog at the Conway Hall back in 2004-ish. Half the crowd were going "What the hell? This is rubbish" and the other half were going "What the hell? This is amazing". I was in the latter category, and her opening song (Bridges and Balloons) is possibly the highlight of my gigging career.
RM Hubberd supporting Twilight Sad the other week in Dingwalls. Funny, sad, and happy to call people talking at the bar rude names.
Sam Amidon supporting Laura Veirs at Union Chapel a few years ago. Fantastic.


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POUGHKEEPSIE, N.Y. (AP) — Even with stars like Steve Martin and Greg Kinnear showing up each summer, the Powerhouse Theater season is more un-Broadway than off-Broadway.
The program at Vassar College attracts writers, directors and actors eager to develop new works in a collegial, cloistered setting 70 miles north of Manhattan. No big-city distractions, no theater reviewers. And paparazzi don't come to Poughkeepsie too often.
"It's very much like theater camp for grown-ups," actress and writer Jennifer Westfeldt, a Powerhouse regular, said with a laugh. "But it's also very much kept to the original vision they had for it, which was to provide a safe haven for artists, and writers in particular, to develop their work."
The 29th season of Powerhouse Theater wraps ups this weekend after eight weeks of rewrites, rehearsals, readings and productions. As in past years, the program has drawn a mix of established names and lesser-known artists. All stay in student housing on campus and all share the goal of developing new material.
With its walled campus and tree-lined walkways, Vassar provides a sort of quiet, close-knit incubator for the largely New York City-based crowd. A few evenings ago, actress Mozhan Marno was able to take a short stroll to that night's showing of the play she wrote. Nearby, the young cast of a superhero musical took a break from a stage reading to lounge in the setting sun and swat at a whiffle ball. Far from critics and everyday distractions, people here compare Powerhouse to working in a bubble.
And they like it that way.
"Especially with the advent of the Internet age, widespread critical commentary can be damaging to something when it's still cooking," said Powerhouse artistic director Johanna Pfaelzer. "What we provide here is the feedback from an artistic community and from an audience."
Pfaelzer works for the not-for-profit New York Stage and Film, which started Powerhouse in 1985 in collaboration with Vassar to serve artists developing new plays. Part of her job is reading about 300 scripts a year and winnowing it down to the 15 to 20 that will be presented in a full production or a reading.
The judgment-free atmosphere here annually attracts a good number of big names. Playwright John Patrick Shanley had a play on the main stage in 1985 early in his career and has since brought about a dozen plays here, including the first public reading of the 2005 Pulitzer Prize winner "Doubt."
Martin came here this summer for "Bright Star," a musical he worked on with singer/songwriter Edie Brickell. Lin-Manuel Miranda, who wrote "In the Heights," brought his "The Hamilton Mixtape," a hip-hop retelling of the life and death of Founding Father Alexander Hamilton.
Other Powerhouse acting alumni include Ethan Hawke, Frances McDormand, Philip Seymour Hoffman and Meryl Streep, who graduated Vassar in 1971.
Westfeldt has acted in shows here over the years and did a staged reading of her movie "Friends With Kids." This summer, she rushed from a performance of her current Manhattan gig "The Explorers Club" at New York City Center to catch "Bright Star" at Vassar.
"It's become my creative home away from home," she said.
Powerhouse also selects dozens of apprentices each summer for an intensive program of classes and performances. Most are college students. They put on plays that require little tweaking — "Agamemnon" and "As You Like It" were two this year — but still get to cross paths with the professionals. Acting apprentice Lizzy Lincoln, 21, of Round Rock, Texas, recalled the inspiration of staying in the same building as the young cast of professionals there for a musical.
"We came home from the close of 'Agamemnon' and there were people in the parlor just singing with beautiful, beautiful Broadway-trained voices, improvising music," she said.
The bucolic setting has led some to conclude Powerhouse is a place where artists escape the city in the summer for a few weeks of coddling — a notion participants scoff at. Patrica Wettig, who has acted on TV and film for decades, said she worked as hard at Powerhouse as anywhere.
"It's not just 'Oh, lets come here and slap everybody on the back because aren't we great for doing creative projects.' The attention is very, very much on the work and trying to get it to be the best that is can be," said Wettig, who will have her play "Yellow Kingdom" read on Sunday.
Marno, whose film credits include "Charlie Wilson's War," said that as her play "When the Lights Went Out" was being readied for the main Powerhouse stage, she would start her day with a couple hours of rewrite, head to rehearsals for six hours, and then end the day with a discussion of the developing work with director Kate Whoriskey.
Ultimately, Marno hopes to get the play from here to New York City, following the trajectory of other works like "Doubt." For now, she's happy to have a place to nurture her play.
"There are so many beautiful trees and you can get lost. You turn the corner, and you're in a firefly-ridden meadow," she said "It's very poetic and very atmospheric and I was not at all distracted."
Online: http://powerhouse.vassar.edu
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Citing no specific evidence Dan Alexander tells us that discrimination in the work place against women is no big problem. The big problem he says are government laws prohibiting unequal pay for equal work. These regulations, he says, are a drag on business enterprise, on self-sufficiency, on the development of our children's character and on much else. Hence the elegant title of his editorial: "America: Land of Mediocrity". Hence also his equally thoughtful suggestion that if you think you are underpaid find yourself another job. Assuming, I suppose he means but doesn't say, if these days you can find it.
This wisdom is supported by what Mr. Alexander summarizes as his vast experience in the business world. Actually, to add a little reality to his experience, women's wages still lag behind those of men by about 20 percent. The figures differ from one to another industry or profession and from one to another region and state. Since these are median figures you know there are pockets of enterprise where women fare even worse. So the U.S. Bureau of Statistics tells us and so does the U.S. Census --no feminist mouthpieces these. But since Mr. Alexander probably distrusts government statistics, let me cite from a recent issue of the very conservative Forbes Magazine, voice of large business corporations: according to a 2012 study, Forbes reports: "Full-time, year-round women workers earn and average of $36,931 compared to men's $47,715 --or 76 cents to every dollar earned."
You do have to wonder what put this particular bee in Mr. Alexander's bonnet. He complains that the government requires you to fill out forms, proving your business doesn't discriminate. Well how much time can that take? Some smart secretary can't do it in a couple of hours? Or one of the guys that do all the journalism? Or is that the rub?
Dan Alexander believes profoundly in free enterprise unburdened by government regulations. That's his privilege. So is acquiring a small rural newspaper and using it to broadcast his personal views across the countryside. It's not exactly what our forefathers meant by a free press. Nor is "find yourself another job" what the 14th Amendment means by "equal protection of the laws." But never mind. What some of us would like from the Valley News is fewer mediocre editorials and a little more varied opinion.
Carl Resek, Westport


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In addition to purchasing their streetlights in order to get a better electricity rate, Stroudsburg officials also plan to remove some of the lights.
In addition to purchasing their streetlights in order to get a better electricity rate, Stroudsburg officials also plan to remove some of the lights.
They identified nine lights that could be taken down because they require extensive renovations totaling about $53,000.
Two of the lights are on Katz Road, and another two are on West Main Street. The others are on Eighth, Tenth, Broad, Bryant and Ann streets.
A tenth light on Phillips Street was also identified, but because it borders the borough and Stroud Township, it's not yet clear whether it will be taken down.
If the borough purchases its streetlights from PPL Electric Utilities, it will save $40,710 on its electric bill, said Borough Manager Cathryn Thomas.
The borough's current electric rate includes charges for PPL to maintain the lights.
When the borough purchases the lights, its street department will take over their maintenance.
It will cost $211,973 to purchase the 383 lights, which are on "arms" attached to utility poles. That number does not include the 10 lights proposed for removal, the borough's street lamps on Main Street or the 12 light poles on the Seventh Street Bridge.
"It didn't seem very cost effective to spend 25 percent of the total project cost on just those 10 lights," Thomas said about the borough's decision to remove them.
Seven of the lights would require the utility poles they are mounted on to be replaced, according to borough records.
Three others require pole-top extensions, which are cross arms mounted on top of the utility pole allowing workers to move nearby electric lines higher and away from the lights.
PPL proposed the extensions because trees have begun to grow around the electrical wires attached to the utility poles.
Not everyone is happy with the proposal to remove the lights.
"I think there is a mistake in taking down the nine street lights that have been there for 30 years," said Councilman Boyd Weiss. "They aren't for decoration; they are for public safety so when people are walking they can see what's on the sidewalk."
Weiss also disagrees with the borough council's April 3 vote to purchase the lights.
Council President Kim Diddio, Matt Abell, Joanne Kochanski, Kathleen Lockwood, Eric Scelza and Mayor Charlie Baughman voted in favor of purchasing the lights.
Council Vice President Neil Allen was absent from that meeting, and Weiss voted against the purchase, Thomas said.
Weiss believes the borough should try to recoup the $500,000 it lost in 2008 to the now-defunct Municipal Energy Managers.
Stroudsburg was one of 18 municipalities in the region to sign a contract with MEM.
The Moosic-based company was supposed to wade through the process of purchasing the streetlights from PPL for the borough. The price included having MEM maintain the lights once they were purchased.
Northampton County District Attorney John Morganelli last year filed criminal charges including theft, conspiracy and misapplication of entrusted funds against Robert J. Kearns, president of MEM, and Patrick P.J. McLaine, the company's former treasurer.
The businessmen were convicted of pulling a similar scheme on Bethlehem Township officials, stealing more than $830,000.
McLaine and Kearns were sentenced to state prison terms of 16 months to five years earlier this month in the Northampton County case.
Kearns, 49, and McLaine, 66, also face criminal charges in Lehigh and Cumberland counties.
Stroudsburg Borough officials have not yet decided to take legal action against MEM.
Borough officials hope to eventually recover the money that was lost to MEM through the money they hope to save on electric bills.
"There are other lights in the area, and it was deemed that it is not a safety issue to remove them," Diddio said. "It's not going to be dark when the lights are taken down."
Diddio also pointed out that although the PPL lights are slated for removal, it doesn't mean the borough couldn't decide to install different lights at those locations in the future.


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The Story of the Painting
The Fall of Fort Sackville by Frederick C. Yohn
The following article appeared in the Indiana History Bulletin, Volume 1 #2, December 1923. The Youth's Companion was a magazine for young people.
Some months ago the Youth's Companion, in collaboration with the Indiana Historical Commission, chose the Fall of Fort Sackville as perhaps the most important single incident in the history of the state.
The Companion commissioned Frederick C. Yohn, who is a native of Indiana as well as one of our foremost historic painters, to make the picture that should represent the stirring scene. He completed the work most successfully, and the reproduction of his painting in full color appeared upon the cover of the Youth's Companion of October 11. The text that accompanies the picture is this:
By a deed heroic and daring beyond almost any other in our history, Gen. George Rogers Clark captured the British fort at Vincennes and so made American forever all that region now included in the five great states of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan and Wisconsin-the Old Northwest.
This cover, the publishers dedicate with the deepest respect to the commonwealth of Indiana. The original painting, which is about three feet square will be appropriately framed and presented to Indiana to be hung permanently in the office of the Indiana Historical Commission.


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Authorities are still searching for two men they believe were involved in a robbery and high-speed chase on Wednesday night.
Authorities are still searching for two men they believe were involved in a robbery and high-speed chase on Wednesday night.
Daryl Hill, 25, of Havelock, is wanted for felony flight to elude by speed, aggressive driving, felony accessory after the fact, possession of marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia, resisting a public officer, reckless driving-wanton disregard, and no operators license, according to a release.
Havelock police were able to identify Hill as a suspect because he was required to wear a GPS anklet bracelet as part of his probation with N.C. Probation and Parole. Authorities said Hill cut the bracelet off as authorities were in pursuit.
Hill, a registered sex offender, is described as black, 6-foot-2 and 180 pounds, and was last seen wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt and tan trousers.
The second person, described as a person of interest in the case, has not been identified.
Havelock police did make one arrest in the case. Marvin Lovell Norris Jr., 19, of Havelock, is charged with felony larceny from a person, possession of a stolen firearm, resisting a public officer, possession of marijuana, and possession of drug paraphernalia, according to Havelock Police Chief G. Wayne Cyrus.
Norris is in the Craven County Jail under a $20,000 bond.
Norris was involved in the fatal shooting of Demetri Shavar Berry, 28, of Havelock, on Nov. 17 at Kelly Park Apartments in Havelock. Norris was not charged in Berry�s death after the district attorney�s office ruled based on a Havelock police investigation that Norris was defending himself in a locked apartment when Berry and another man, Marcus Anthony Nunes, 24, of Havelock, broke into the home intent on assaulting Norris.
According to Havelock police, Berry and Nunes were after Norris because they believed he had broken into their homes.
Cyrus said Hill was present at the time of Berry�s shooting.
Havelock police received a 911 call at 4:51 p.m. Wednesday from a man saying he had been robbed at the Pine Villa Apartments on Brown Boulevard in Havelock and that he was following the suspects on McCotter Boulevard, Cyrus said.
Havelock police located the suspect vehicle, a 2001 Nissan Sentra, with Hill behind the wheel.
The car sped away, turned right on Fontana Boulevard and headed east on N.C. 101 at a speed of 100 mph, with Havelock officer Kim Tutwiler in lead pursuit followed by Officer James Macroberts, Cyrus said.
�The officers that were involved in the pursuit said they did encounter some traffic, but other than the speed, no one was endangered, according to the officers,� Cyrus said. �We backed off on Highway 101 hoping that he would ease off on his speed but he never did.�
Hill stopped the car in front of 1002 Temples Point Road, and he and two occupants fled into the woods, Cyrus said. Havelock police chased the men on foot and Macroberts was able to catch Norris.
Craven County Sheriff�s deputies and Havelock police searched a wooded off Temples Point Road, but with darkness setting in, could not locate the other two men on Wednesday night.
Cyrus said a semi-automatic handgun was retrieved from Temples Point Road.
�It was in the car under the seat that Norris was sitting in when he fled the scene,� Cyrus said.
Cyrus said the alleged robbery victim saw a gun in Norris� hand but he was never threatened with it.
Cyrus said it wasn�t clear if the weapon found in the vehicle was the same one used to shoot Berry. That weapon was never recovered.
�We can�t say for sure. It would be speculation at this point,� Cyrus said.
He said ballistics tests would be done on the gun to determine if it was the same weapon involved in Berry�s shooting.
According to the N.C. Department of Corrections website, Norris has a record of misdemeanor drug offenses. Hill was convicted of second-degree rape in 2006 and assault with a deadly weapon with intent to inflict serious injury in 2008. Hill had been in jail from October 2008 until his release in August.


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AoEM Tarr Legend Army of Elite Mercenaries Tuesday 02/01/2007, 03:03
I think that the rate of 3 Cr cards given per week is inappropriate cos if we take you have 3:25 chance of winning and about 1:4 to end up in top 25 (there are about hundred skilled players out there) you will have to play about 10 years before collecting all Cr cards... Sure, you can also buy them on market - but it will be somewhere over 10 milion clintzs (which will cost about 3.000 euro) or you will have to play two regular tournaments per day for about 15 years always ending in top 10 to earn 9M clintz... so I think that the Urban stuff should find another way how to distribute Cr cards among us players or increase number of cards given per one ELO tournament... I've already spent about 100 euro on this game and believe me that it is more than enough for student like me... I like this game much but I wont spend neither 3000 euro nor 10 years of my life just to collect Cr cards... I hereby call upon other players to support me in my request!!!
AoEM Tarr Legend Army of Elite Mercenaries Monday 15/01/2007, 02:05
So what u trying to say that if some uncommon card like Nanook maybe (nearly everyone has Nanook cos its cheap and powerfull) become cr card it will immediately has 500k clints on market? maybe in a year time it will, but in a year time cards that are cr now will have above 1m clints even if theyre commons or not...
mavarush21 Senior champion si llevado Monday 15/01/2007, 02:26
U know if cr cards is in the elo tournament most of other ppl will lose hope in getting to the top 25 just like me cuz even the weakest cr i don't have.......and the persons who have cr and those who don't is like 10:5 so it will be unfair for those ppl who don't have.....but I would like to ask any of the staff to increase clintz per fight to the max of 20
6SimS-Sven Master UTOPiA Wednesday 17/01/2007, 04:14
Nope lol as time goes cards become harder and harder even commons up to cr cards i once bought methane 900 now its 2000 see the difference when the time past
kv NIVROTH Imperator KINGS OF VALACHIA Thursday 25/01/2007, 10:24
And maybe those events would be in the english forum too, not only in the french one
-sCapeg0d- Colossus Limit Break Thursday 25/01/2007, 13:34
Well, with the introduction of new characters with every passing week or so, the probability of finding a particular card (whether it's rare, uncommon or even common) decreases with every introduction.
My story's similar to rogues, I had bought Kinjo and Methane when they were cheap (simply bought them as they were rares, and I knew their prices would soar in the future). I was not able to sell or trade either publicly or privately because the shop feature isn't available in my country, but the friends I had made in this game purchased credits for me and they would occasionaly drop in a card (thank you, you know who you are).
Sorry, I got drifted away. Concerning the Crs, I don't imagine even in my wildest dreams that I'd be able to obtain them. So, now-a-days Im collecting as much characters from Soleil as I can, hoping that they'll be worth the investment.
Gg ... always.
The Key Word Here Is "RANDOM". Well, If there was a way to get CR CARDS in a certain way, In random (im not a statistician, but im partially an economist in training) Getting things in CERTAIN, than getting things RANDOM has more chance but no assurance, lower chance but with assurance. Like in lottery if you play lottery for 10 years against 10000 lottery tickets distributed, and you bought one each day, you still get a 7% chance of winning. In certainty,quiz bee, you aware of your score, with skills,all players get 0% at first then gradually increase as you go along. (correct me if what my mentor taught me is wrong :shock
IF there would be a chance to get cards in certainty.
BUT, its not about the collection for me ( I like winning ) its about having 5 stars and seeing your name on top in every tournament.
K9 AlucardEVO Master Monday 29/01/2007, 04:47
If it takes so many years as you say, then I agree that the rate should be increased, 5 CR a week doesn't seem THAT drastic over 3 CR a week. If they want to make it more collectable, have the cards dated. That way earlier cards are worth more for sheer collectability reasons.
If it took me 10 years to complete a single set in magic the gathering, I wouldn't play it.
wmd angelo Colossus Thursday 01/02/2007, 19:40
Here is my opinion folks: i started ELO as soon as i reached level 20, and you can make a top 25 deck with 10000 clintz... and it means that if you're a good player ( and not a rich player) you can win a collector in maximum 2 months( and i'm not counting the other rare cards that you can win)...i'm not a moderator trying to defend the game, i'm just a player who tries his best to be on top


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