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Hi, I am having a difficult time getting my laptop to aquire a dhcp lease. During the initial install, I selected dhcp and it said no link so I skipped it thinking i'll come back later. Here is what I did so far:
1. Read openbsd FAQ chapter 6 and most of it was difficult to understand.
2. ifconfig to find my adapter which was re0
3. Create a hostname file in /etc called hostname.re0
4. I put in the line: dhcp nwid network_name wpakey password, and saved the file
5 ran the command sudo sh /etc/netstart re0
6. reboot
7. I received this error message: Inappropriate ioctl for device
8. re0: no link.....................sleeping
9. I then ran this cmd: ifconfig re0 nwid netowrk_name wpakey passphrase
10. same exact errors as 7 & 8
Here is my laptop specs: Toshiba Satellite A665, Intel I5, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD, 802.11 a/b/g/n 10/100
OpenBSD 5.4 AMD64iso installation
I suspect that I could be having a hardware compatability issue because my volume, mute, network connection, and DVD play button/leds don't work at all. I checked the laptops sticky, and I could not find any help in those links. I did a google search to see if anyone else had a simmilar problem but no real help. I am actually surprised how little info I have found on google regarding user support. Any tips or noticable mistakes in what I did?
this is the ifconfig info for the adapter
re0: flags=8049<up, BROADCAST, RUNNING, SIMPLEX, MULTICAST> mtu 1500
lladr ...
priority: 0
media: ethernet autoselect (none)
Last edited by Roydd85; 14th March 2014 at 11:31 AM.
re(4) man page for details.
On BSD systems, network interface connector ("NIC") drivers are managed by chipset, not by generic "eth" numbers. Your re(4) driver supports a variety of Realtek chipsets and their clones, and a short list of the major vendors of NICs that use those chipsets is listed in the man page. Vendors of NICs, not of workstations.
You have two choices, from what you have provided so far:
If the device is found and there is a driver available for it, the assigned driver will be listed in the dmesg. If ther is no driver available, the device will be described in the dmesg as not configured, which is BSD kernel speak for "I recognize this, but I can't do anything with it."
An ifconfig command with no options will list all drivers assigned to physical NICs, as well as several drivers for pseudo devices, such as loopback. You can research what each driver does with the man(1) command ... just remove the device number from the driver when using the command. such as:
$ man lo
to learn about the loopback driver for device lo0.
Last edited by jggimi; 14th March 2014 at 12:25 PM. Reason: typos, highlighting dmesg
I suspected that the re0 was for the wired. when I ifconfig all I get is lo0, re0,enc0, and pflog0. This is why I thought maybe it is not compatible. When I run the dmesg I cannot find the wireless adapter, and I can't post the output unless I type it all out because I am using my desktop for internet access. I am not too sure what too look for though, but I will go through more man pages and reread the network chapter in the FAQ.
How the heck do I scroll up or down in the terminal? I tried holding shift+ PGup/down shift+ arrow keys, I tried scroll lock and arros, numberpad but it does not scroll.
Last edited by Roydd85; 14th March 2014 at 12:59 PM.
FAQ 4.16 has some recommendations on how to move a dmesg from a machine with no network to another machine that has a network connection, so you need not manually type out anything.
A little Googling leads me to suspect your WiFi NIC might use a Realtek RTL8192SE chipset. I don't believe a driver has been developed for it. There are a number of Realtek drivers, wired and wireless.
Look through your dmesg for this 8192 device, and see if it is there. If not, look at other not configured devices.
Last edited by jggimi; 14th March 2014 at 01:07 PM. Reason: clarity
Plug in a LAN cable into the NIC jacket of you laptop and get an IP address through DHCP using the following command:
# dhclient re0
You will get some messages informing you whether you get a lease for an IP address.Then double check with
# ifconfig the IP address.
Next step would be to check whether sshd is running and LISTENing on the default port 22:
You don't need to be a genius to debug a pf.conf firewall ruleset, you just need the guts to run tcpdump
Another possibility is that some wireless interfaces need firmware. Some firmware licensing does not allow distribution with the install disk but it can be downloaded, with the license, subsequently.
On first run, fw_update(1) will offer to download and install the firmware, If you did not have a network connection on first run, you may be missing the firmware.
If you are able to connect via the NIC, I would try to execute
shep, I think that if it were a firmware issue the device would be in the NIC list, and it is not.
Here is the output of the dmesg. I don't know what I am looking at too well but i think the
line for the driver I need is Realtek 8188CE" rev 0x01 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 not configured
OpenBSD 5.4 (GENERIC.MP) #41: Tue Jul 30 15:30:02 MDT 2013 firstname.lastname@example.com:/usr/src/s...ile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 4063293440 (3875MB) avail mem = 3947397120 (3764MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.6 @ 0x9b712000 (26 entries) bios0: vendor TOSHIBA version "1.80" date 09/14/10 bios0: TOSHIBA Satellite A665 acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP HPET APIC MCFG ASF! SLIC SSDT UEFI UEFI UEFI acpi0: wakeup devices EHC1(S3) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB4(S3) EHC2(S3) USB5(S3) USB6(S3) USB7(S3) HDEF(S3) PXSX(S5) PXSX(S0) PXSX(S3) RP03(S3) PXSX(S4) PXSX(S4) PXSX(S4) [...] acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee00000: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 480 @ 2.67GHz, 2926.98 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC cpu0: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu0: smt 0, core 0, package 0 cpu0: apic clock running at 133MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 480 @ 2.67GHz, 2926.50 MHz cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC cpu1: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu1: smt 1, core 0, package 0 cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 4 (application processor) cpu2: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 480 @ 2.67GHz, 2926.50 MHz cpu2: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC cpu2: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu2: smt 0, core 2, package 0 cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 5 (application processor) cpu3: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 480 @ 2.67GHz, 2926.51 MHz cpu3: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC cpu3: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu3: smt 1, core 2, package 0 ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec00000, version 20, 24 pins ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 0, remapped to apid 1 acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe0000000, bus 0-255 acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 1 (P0P2) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus -1 (P0P3) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 27 (P0P1) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 2 (RP01) acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus 7 (RP02) acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus 12 (RP03) acpiprt7 at acpi0: bus 17 (RP04) acpiprt8 at acpi0: bus 22 (RP05) acpiprt9 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP07) acpiprt10 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP08) acpiprt11 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEG3) acpiprt12 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEG5) acpiec0 at acpi0 acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C1, PSS acpicpu1 at acpi0: C3, C1, PSS acpicpu2 at acpi0: C3, C1, PSS acpicpu3 at acpi0: C3, C1, PSS acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit online acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT1 model "PA3817U-1BRS" serial 41167 type Li-Ion oem "COMPAL " acpibtn0 at acpi0: LID0 acpibtn1 at acpi0: PWRB acpivideo0 at acpi0: VGA_ acpivout0 at acpivideo0: LCD_ acpivideo1 at acpi0: VGA_ acpivideo2 at acpi0: GFX0 acpivout1 at acpivideo2: DD02 cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 2926 MHz: speeds: 2667, 2666, 2533, 2399, 2266, 2133, 1999, 1866, 1733, 1599, 1466, 1333, 1199 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0 pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "Intel Core Host" rev 0x02 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "Intel 3400 PCIE" rev 0x02: msi pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vendor "NVIDIA", unknown product 0x0a70 (class display subclass VGA, rev 0xa2) at pci1 dev 0 function 0 not configured vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel HD Graphics" rev 0x02 intagp0 at vga1 agp0 at intagp0: aperture at 0xc0000000, size 0x10000000 inteldrm0 at vga1 drm0 at inteldrm0 inteldrm0: 1366x768 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (std, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (std, vt100 emulation) "Intel 3400 MEI" rev 0x06 at pci0 dev 22 function 0 not configured ehci0 at pci0 dev 26 function 0 "Intel 3400 USB" rev 0x05: apic 1 int 16 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 "Intel EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 "Intel 3400 HD Audio" rev 0x05: msi azalia0: codecs: Realtek ALC269, Intel/0x2804, using Realtek ALC269 audio0 at azalia0 ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 "Intel 3400 PCIE" rev 0x05: msi pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 re0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Realtek 8101E" rev 0x05: RTL8168E/8111E (0x2c00), apic 1 int 16, address 1c:75:08:73:d8:b7 rgephy0 at re0 phy 7: RTL8169S/8110S PHY, rev. 4 ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 1 "Intel 3400 PCIE" rev 0x05: msi pci3 at ppb2 bus 7 "Realtek 8188CE" rev 0x01 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 not configured ppb3 at pci0 dev 28 function 2 "Intel 3400 PCIE" rev 0x05: msi pci4 at ppb3 bus 12 ppb4 at pci0 dev 28 function 3 "Intel 3400 PCIE" rev 0x05: msi pci5 at ppb4 bus 17 ppb5 at pci0 dev 28 function 4 "Intel 3400 PCIE" rev 0x05: msi pci6 at ppb5 bus 22 "JMicron SD/MMC" rev 0x20 at pci6 dev 0 function 0 not configured sdhc0 at pci6 dev 0 function 2 "JMicron SD Host Controller" rev 0x20: apic 1 int 16 sdmmc0 at sdhc0 "JMicron Memory Stick" rev 0x20 at pci6 dev 0 function 3 not configured "JMicron xD" rev 0x20 at pci6 dev 0 function 4 not configured ehci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 "Intel 3400 USB" rev 0x05: apic 1 int 23 usb1 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0 uhub1 at usb1 "Intel EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 ppb6 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 "Intel 82801BAM Hub-to-PCI" rev 0xa5 pci7 at ppb6 bus 27 pcib0 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 "Intel HM55 LPC" rev 0x05 ahci0 at pci0 dev 31 function 2 "Intel 3400 AHCI" rev 0x05: msi, AHCI 1.3 scsibus0 at ahci0: 32 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 1 lun 0: <ATA, TOSHIBA MK6465GS, GJ00> SCSI3 0/direct fixed naa.5000039293b0892d sd0: 610480MB, 512 bytes/sector, 1250263728 sectors cd0 at scsibus0 targ 4 lun 0: <TSSTcorp, CDDVDW TS-L633Y, TF20> ATAPI 5/cdrom removable ichiic0 at pci0 dev 31 function 3 "Intel 3400 SMBus" rev 0x05: apic 1 int 18 iic0 at ichiic0 spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 2GB DDR3 SDRAM PC3-8500 SO-DIMM spdmem1 at iic0 addr 0x52: 2GB DDR3 SDRAM PC3-8500 SO-DIMM itherm0 at pci0 dev 31 function 6 "Intel 3400 Thermal" rev 0x05 isa0 at pcib0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot) pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0 pms0: Synaptics touchpad, firmware 7.4 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 spkr0 at pcppi0 pci8 at mainbus0 bus 255 pchb1 at pci8 dev 0 function 0 "Intel QuickPath" rev 0x05 pchb2 at pci8 dev 0 function 1 "Intel QuickPath" rev 0x05 pchb3 at pci8 dev 2 function 0 "Intel QPI Link" rev 0x05 pchb4 at pci8 dev 2 function 1 "Intel QPI Physical" rev 0x05 pchb5 at pci8 dev 2 function 2 "Intel Reserved" rev 0x05 pchb6 at pci8 dev 2 function 3 "Intel Reserved" rev 0x05 mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support uhub2 at uhub0 port 1 "Intel Rate Matching Hub" rev 2.00/0.00 addr 2 uhub3 at uhub1 port 1 "Intel Rate Matching Hub" rev 2.00/0.00 addr 2 uhub4 at uhub3 port 2 "Broadcom BCM2046B1" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 3 uhidev0 at uhub4 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0 "Broadcom product 0x4502" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 4 uhidev0: iclass 3/1, 1 report id ukbd0 at uhidev0 reportid 1: 8 variable keys, 6 key codes wskbd1 at ukbd0 mux 1 wskbd1: connecting to wsdisplay0 uhidev1 at uhub4 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0 "Broadcom product 0x4503" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 5 uhidev1: iclass 3/1, 125 report ids ums0 at uhidev1 reportid 2: 3 buttons wsmouse1 at ums0 mux 0 uhid0 at uhidev1 reportid 125: input=2, output=0, feature=0 ugen0 at uhub4 port 3 "Broadcom Corp Rocketfish Bluetooth Adapter" rev 2.00/6.67 addr 6 vscsi0 at root scsibus1 at vscsi0: 256 targets softraid0 at root scsibus2 at softraid0: 256 targets root on sd0a (1d56ab7d848833cc.a) swap on sd0b dump on sd0b
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So, I guess that means I can't get online wirelessly? I am not too attached to OpenBSD yet so maybe free or net have the driver I need.
Not with this OS and that device, today. A very cursory inspection of -current code leads me to believe not with the next release (5.5) either.
You have other choices, including USB attached devices, that may be very inexpensive. Start your search with this command:
$ apropos wireless
I happen to have a urtwn(4) device which I am about to deploy with a server that cannot be easily reached with wired Ethernet. I acquired it from on online retailer for US$5.
Not to sidetrack discussion, but the supplied dmesg(8) also shows an nVidia graphics card. Be aware that it is a known issue that you may or may not be able to accept all video modes with cards made by this vendor.
nVidia has historically been reticient about making the specifications to their hardware available to the public. Thus, it is difficult for the Open Source projects to develop compatible drivers. nv(4) may work for you, however, you may not get great performance.
The OpenBSD project adheres to a philosophy of including code in the base installations which can be audited. There are closed source nVidia drivers available with other Unix-like operating systems which require developers to sign non-disclosure (NDA) agreements, but this does not allow project developers to see the code, only accept unknown compiled drivers (known as "blobs"...).
My laptop has the same Realtek PCI 8188CE wireless device. I suspect that one difficulty in developing a driver for it, is that since it's PCI, getting a sample to work with would probably require a purchase or donation of a laptop, which is going to be more costly (and so less probable) than for an inexpensive stand-alone USB device. Does this sound reasonable?
Does anyone know if the other BSDs support this driver? As I said, I am too new too BSD to have a preference and will use NetBSD, FreeBSD, or DragonflyBSD if they would run properly. I googled this
"list of BSD distros supporting 'Realtek RTL8192SE' drivers" and various rewordings of that, but I could not find any relevant info that I actually understood. I suppose I could, if it was the last resort, buy a USB WIFI card, but I would rather not. I dont want to run BSD on anything but my laptop because I have no real point in running it on my desktop and I just want to experiment and learn rather then repartition my desktop HDD. I hope this all makes sense because I havechronic insomnia for a few years now, very bad and have not slept in 2 days. My mind cannot focus so if I misspelled or did not convey my thought well enough I apoligize in advance. I feel like that desktop sentence was redundent but I cannot think to reword. Sorry.
Sadly, no BSD supports it yet. All the projects have their man pages online and you can also run apropos(1) for Realtek to double check that.
This adapter http://www.ebay.com/itm/230973235744
was the adapter I was using (and still use) in my SGI O2 when I made this commit:
so I can tell you they work and they work well. I've recommended them to people who want cheap wifi and don't mind the firmware downloads (I know people who do mind, and I can understand that, but that's a separate issue). It's a urtwn(4).
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That sounds like an excellent value, ibara.
I'm going to make a fearless prediction that if a BSD Realtek 8188CE driver is developed it will be called rtwn(4).
Ibarra, thanks for that link. I will order it as soon as possible. As far as downloading the firmware, you make it sound like it is a hassle. Is this the case?
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The ASUS Eee Pad Transformer at first sight will make you wonder if it is a tablet or a netbook. Seriously, is it a tablet or a netbook? What exactly is the ASUS Eee Pad Transformer to begin with?
That folks, is kind of hard to answer. With the ASUS Eee Pad, you can type on a full keyboard making you forget that you are using a Honeycomb tablet - with a keyboard and a trackpad -just like a netbook or a laptop with Honeycomb. So, what is it really?
The General Idea
The Transformer is ASUS' 10.1-inch tablet (there you go, it's a tablet after all) with Android 3.0.1, which happens to be the latest released version of Google's Honeycomb. Under the hood, it's got a dual-core NVIDIA Tegra 2 processor running at 1GHz to power its operation. But why is it called Transfomer?
No sir, it doesn't transform into a robot as you might have expected. It gets its name from the optional keyboard dock which may I remind you is neither a Bluetooth keyboard nor a fancy tethering system. It is a full-fledged, albeit undersized laptop-style keyboard, with a hinge, that transforms this Android tablet to so much more, hence the moniker "Transformer".
Design and Construction
The back of the Transformer has a nice, textured pattern and its coppery color almost makes you think of it as faux-leather. It is kind of elegant, if I may say. Don't be disappointed by the fact that it's made of cold, hard plastic though. That is sort of negligible at this point.
At 10.6 inches, it's a bit taller compared to the Motorola Xoom but both tablets measure a half inch in thickness. The transformer is a bit wider though at 6.9 inches but makes up for heft where it weighs 1.49 pounds compared to Xoom's 1.6 pounds. With the weight difference, you don't get the urge to put it down as often as you do with the Xoom.
Under the Hood
The Transformer is powered by a dual-core NVIDIA Tegra 2 1GHz processor with 1GB of RAM. For storage purposes, you can select between the 16GB or 32GB version, both expandable via a mciroSD card slot.
Its dual-core processor is blazing fast resulting to very smooth transition animations when switching between homepages. This trickles down to web browsing as well where transitions from portrait to landscape and vice versa are very quick.
The Display
The Transformer comes with a 10.1-inch IPS (in-plane switching) display with a 1280 x 800 resolution and a screen density of 160 pixels per inch. The characteristics of the display are kind of similar to the iPad hence, maximum brightness, black level along with contrast are nearly identical to it.
Although the Transformer's screen looks absolutely fantastic and viewing angles are superb, the glare seems to be a letdown and rendering it pretty much unusable outdoors. The scratch-resistant Gorilla glass and wider aspect ratio makes up for that though as it leaves more room for web pages and other content. Who would want to use a tablet, or any gadget for that matter, in the blistering heat brought about by the summer in the first place?
Though the Transformer is a Wi-Fi only device, it's got 802.11 b/g/n covered. Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR is also standard along with GPS for navigation and location-based services.
The Software
The Transformer runs Android 3.0.1 Honeycomb, Google's tablet version of Android and comes largely unskinned but bottoms in the System Bar-back, home, and multitasking-are customized to have a much softer feel compared to the buttons in the stock Honeycomb.
It starts out with a wide landscape with the five home screens with the center screen having an AccuWeather-powered weather widget with nice little graphics for the day's forecast. A user-removable date widget can also be found at the bottom right of every home screen.
The standard Google apps such as YouTube, Google Books, Android Market, Gmail and the like are also included. Not to be left out, ASUS also preinstalled some of their own apps like the @Vibe Internet music player. With Pandora on board along with other music apps such as Amazon MP3, it's just a matter of time before these ASUS apps are forgotten.
ASUS also has its own bookstore and reader under the "My Library" app but with Amazon Kindle and Google Books already on board, these will meet the same fate as @Vibe Internet.
The Polaris Office documents app is preinstalled as well that lets you create spreadsheets and PowerPoint-like presentations along with decent word-processing capabilities. The Transformer is also DLNA-enabled, letting you share pictures, music and video wirelessly with other DLNA-enabled devices. Though, not as widespread as we would want them to be, it would definitely be better to have it and not need it that need it and not have it, isn't it?
The Shooters
The Transformer sports a 5-megapixel shooter at the back and a 1.2-megapixel shooter facing you. Well, what can you expect about tablet cameras, right? They're not going to rival your DSLR anytime soon. No flash for the rear camera either, but like I said, you're not going to run around lugging this thing as if it's a 10.1-inch point-and-shoot right?
The front-facing camera is at least useable for video chats with Gtalk, so it has something going on for it.
The Keyboard Transformation
Although the keyboard is billed as a mobile dock in the packaging, allow me to refer to it as a transformative experience, both literally and figuratively. Once you dock the tablet onto the keyboard dock, you go from tablet to Honeycomb laptop. It's not a tablet with a keyboard dock my dear, but a Honeycomb laptop. Sorry, no sound effects there to go along with the transformation.
The keyboard is as wide as the tablet and slides into the hinge and locks into place. Once it's there, the tablet and the keyboard become a single solid piece of hardware. Think Voltron albeit with just two lions and not five - something like that.
The keyboard dock not only features a keyboard but a trackpad with mouse buttons as well. Mouse buttons are in a single bar but no problems were encountered in differentiation a left-click from a right-click. Don't be confused though as this is an Android platform we are working with and not your typical Windows environment. The right-click serves as a back button and you are not to expect contextual menus to come out.
The keyboard is pretty good with chicklet-style keys and a full number row along with arrow keys and Android's usual home-menu-back-search keys located strategically around it for easy access.
It may not be a full-sized keyboard but once you get the hang of it, it is pretty usable. No complaints here, you see?
The Android Laptop Experience
With the tablet firmly in place on the keyboard dock for the whole Transformers experience, this is what everything comes down to. Gone are the days where you work a little on the keyboard then reach up to touch the screen. No more type, reach, type, reach sort of movements.
As soon as the tablet gets connected to the keyboard dock, it ceases to be a tablet and automatically kicks in to laptop mode. Browsing is pretty much as expected with the stock Android browser and though Adobe Flash 10.2 is at your disposal, it is still far from a full Chrome or Firefox experience on a regular laptop.
Email is a given with you getting an Outlooky feel to all things email with the redesign of Gmail in Honeycomb. The usual complement of apps on the other hand translated very well to the keyboard and mouse experience but touchscreen-based games have found the Transformer a little wanting. You need to undock for these games since accelerometers and attached keyboards just don't mix very well.
Battery Life
The Transformer has a 24.4wh lithium-polymer battery and lasts approximately 9.5 hours on a single charge. The keyboard dock also has a battery tucked into it and once transformed, ramps up the battery life of the whole Android laptop to a staggering approximate of 16 hours. However, different strokes for different folks come into play here especially with regard to usage so battery life will definitely vary.
Official Advertisement of ASUS Eee Pad Transformer:
Final Words
As a Honeycomb tablet, the ASUS Eee Pad Transformer is as good as it gets. Forget about how it lags behind other tablets in terms of design and construction with its plastic build, but add on the keyboard dock and no other Android tablet comes close to it.
Will the Transformer replace a traditional Windows or Macintosh laptop computer? -Definitely not just yet. For its price with the dock included, you can get a more powerful laptop with better features. But, forget about that for a moment. Think about getting a semi-laptop experience with the might of Android 3.0 Honeycomb in the ASUS Eee Pad Transformer. You get an Android tablet plus an Android laptop. And that's something nobody but ASUS can yet offer. End of story.
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2016 (Stats): Earned AVCA Honorable Mention All-America honors ... Tabbed AVCA All-East Coast Region ... Named ACC Defensive Player of the Year ... Earned First Team All-ACC honors ... Garnered All-ACC Academic Team distinction ... Named to the ACC Academic Honor Roll ... Led the league in digs (634) and digs per set (5.42), both career highs ... Amassed the fourth-highest single-season total in program history ... 5.42 digs-per-set average also ranked third all-time at Duke ... Picked up 20-plus digs 15 times ... Set the program single match record with 44 digs Sept. 30 at Notre Dame ... Finished her collegiate career with 2,023 digs ... Became the third Blue Devil in program history with 2,000 career digs, joining Ali McCurdy (2,538) and Jenny Shull (2,200) ... Ranked ninth in ACC history in career digs ... Ended her career with a 4.52 digs-per-set average, good for fourth all-time at Duke and 10th all-time in the ACC.
2015 (Stats): Tabbed AVCA All-East Coast Region honorable mention for the second straight season ... Garnered All-ACC second team honors ... Named to the All-ACC Academic Team and the ACC Academic Honor Roll ... Led the team with 565 total digs ... Averaged 5.18 digs per set ... Ranked second in the ACC and 24th nationally in digs per set ... One of two ACC players to average over 5.00 digs per frame ... Picked up 10 or more digs in 28 of Duke's 30 matches ... Topped 20 digs 12 times ... Surpassed 30 digs in three contests, including a season-high 33 against Pittsburgh Oct. 23.
2014 (Stats): Named AVCA All-East Coast Region honorable mention … Tabbed to the All-ACC second team … Named to the All-ACC Academic Team and ACC Academic Honor Roll ... Assumed the starting libero role and averaged 5.13 digs per set to lead the ACC … Also ranked 26th nationally in digs per frame … The only ACC player to average over 5.00 digs per frame … 5.13 digs per set average was also good for ninth in Duke's single season records … Totaled double-digit digs in all 30 contests … Picked up 20 or more digs 12 times … Turned in a career-best, 35-dig performance Sept. 2 versus Campbell, which ranked fifth in the Duke single-match records … Garnered Duke Invitational All-Tournament Team accolades after anchoring the Duke defense with 42 digs in three matches.
2013 (Stats): Played in all 33 matches, starting 25 … Trailed only Ali McCurdy for the team lead in digs, totaling 265 … Averaged 2.35 digs per set … Picked up 10 or more digs in eight contests: Liberty (9/13), Illinois (9/21), Wake Forest (10/6), Clemson (10/20), Florida State (10/25), Miami (10/26 & 11/22) and North Carolina 11/29) … Registered a season-high 22 digs in Duke's win over then-No. 16 Illinois Sept. 21 … Garnered ACC Freshman of the Week distinction Sept. 23 after helping the Blue Devils to wins over Big Ten opponents Indiana and Illinois … Averaged 4.43 digs per set over those two contests and committed just one error in 34 serve receive chances.
High School: Four-year letterwinner at Leesville Road High School in Raleigh, N.C. … Ranked the No. 16 player in the nation and the No. 1 player in North Carolina according to MaxPreps … Listed as Prepvolleyball's No. 55 Senior Ace, the second-highest ranking for a libero/defensive specialist … Led her high school team to a 27-1 record, Cap Eight conference championship, North Carolina High School Athletic Association (NCHSAA) 4A East Regional title and a runner up fi nish in the NCHSAA 4A state tournament as a senior … Earned Maxpreps/AVCA North Carolina Player of the Week honors Nov. 5, 2012 after leading Leesville Road to a 3-2 win over Hoggard in the NCHSAA 4A East Regional championship … Totaled 17 kills, 15 digs, three aces and a block to lead the Pride to the state finals for the fi rst time in school history … Finished her senior campaign with 315 kills, 330 digs and 74 aces … Led her high school team in digs and aces in each of her fi nal three seasons … Totaled 363 kills and 90 aces to earn Cap Eight Conference Player of the Year honors as junior … Completed her sophomore season with 307 kills, 253 digs and 84 aces to earn team MVP accolades … Named to Prepvolleyball's Sophomore 79 and Frosh 59 lists in 2011 and 2010, respectively … Played for the Triangle Volleyball Club since 2006 … Led the 2012 18 Black squad to an open bid at the Junior Nationals with a third-place fi nish at the Big South Qualifi er and a fourth-place showing at the Lone Star Qualifier … Guided club team to the Carolina Region championship from 2007-12, earning all-tournament team honors all six years including MVP distinction in 2007 and 2009 … Leesville Road Academic Excellence Award recipient all four years … Member of the Political Club as a senior.
Personal: Born Alexandra Karelov on November 22, 1994 in Brooklyn, N.Y. … Daughter of Evgeni and Marina Karelov … Has an older sister, Dasha (Karelov) Kenlan … Father was a Military Triathlon individual and team champion in Ukraine (1984-86) … Mother played volleyball at the Belarusian State University from 1985-89 and was a member of the Belarusian National Volleyball Team from 1984-86.(/p>


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Emerald Isle to hold annual controlled deer hunts
EMERALD ISLE, NC (AP) — Emerald Isle will begin annual controlled hunts to deal with the town's growing deer population, rather than holding them just every other year.
The Daily News of Jacksonville reported the Emerald Isle Board of Commissioners has authorized annual controlled hunts, starting with one in January or February. Commissioners also approved the use of sharpshooters, although the 2014 hunt will be limited to bow hunters.
A state biologist estimates 159 deer lived in Emerald Isle in fall 2013, up from 141 the previous year. The state Wildlife Resources Commission estimates the town should have about 50 deer to maintain a healthy population.
Officials say public safety is an issue, with the number of collisions of deer and vehicles increasing from 19 in 2012 to 30 in 11 months of 2013.
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Pooyan (Commodore 64)
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DescriptionIn Pooyan, you play the role of a pig, protecting its piglets from wolves.
The first screen takes place near the pigs' home. Mrs. Pig rides up and down in a cable car, shooting at wolves, who are riding balloons downward, towards the ground. If the wolves land safely on the ground, then they can climb a ladder, near the cable-car, and catch Mrs. Pig. But if she shoots their balloons, they splat on the ground instead.
The wolves shoot acorns at the pig. But Mrs. Pig has a food based weapon too. If she gets to the top, she can get meat, to toss at the wolves and make them jump off their balloons in pursuit. Each wolf taken out this way is worth bonus points (on a doubling scheme: 400, 800 1600...)
The second scene takes place at the wolves lair. Here the wolves have reinforced balloons--it takes multiple hits to make them fall. Here they float upwards toward a big rock, which they push on top of Mrs. Pig, when seven wolves are present. Additionally, an alpha wolf (wolf leader) appears and summons wolves in packs.
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- "プーヤン" -- Japanese spelling
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- Animals: Dogs / Wolves
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- Gaming Service: Game Room
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- Protagonist: Female
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BRIDGEPORT The Quad City Eagles hosted its annual free Thanksgiving dinner on Thursday, and good times were had despite a small turnout.
Fifteen people brought their appetites, Dianne Sleeper said, but everyone stayed for "a couple hours."
"It was really, really nice and they all enjoyed it and said they'd be back next year," she said. "It was for the people who had no place to go and they came, and that's what's awesome about it. That's the whole purpose behind it."
With only three volunteers, the Eagles served two different kinds of turkey, ham, sweet potatoes, California blend vegetables, potatoes and gravy, stuffing and several varieties of pie, Sleeper said.
Everything was homemade, and all but two pies were made from scratch.
"We tried to do it all home-style, and we got lots of compliments so it was worth the extra effort," she said.
This year's menu featured a new twist on the traditional turkey, cooked with paprika and sour cream.
"The gravy was made with sour cream too, and everyone enjoyed it," she said.
Clean-up was a snap with the help of the volunteers.
"I had wonderful help this year. We even had a guy who liked to do dishes," she said with a laugh. "Big thanks go to them, for sure."
The Eagles have served Thanksgiving dinner for at least eight years, when Sleeper moved to town. The fraternity also hosts a free community dinner at 1 p.m. on Christmas day at 1030 Columbia Ave.
About 20 minutes away in Brewster, there was a quiet meal at the Legion, where about 70 people of all ages showed up for a free dinner of turkey, ham and all the trimmings.
"That's pretty good, because the Eagles have one too, and a lot of the Bridgeport people go to that one," Legion Auxiliary member Thea Nilsen said of this year's turnout at the Post 97 hall, 102 N. Main Ave.
Tables were filled with piping-hot vegetables, pies, sweet potato casserole, rolls, gravy and, of course, turkey.
"We usually cook like three turkeys and two hams and then all the side dishes," Nilsen said. "We usually have plenty of food. Anyone is more than welcome."
The Legion also provided meals to go for anyone who wanted to deliver food to those who can't leave their homes.
"A lot of times, if somebody's sheltered in and some of their family members come, we let them take some food home for them, too," Nilsen said.
Auxiliary member Heidi Caswell and Legion member Joe Wick cooked this year's meal, with help from Legion First Vice Commander Denny Pittman and resident Marge Hagy.
"Marge Hagy is an honorary member because she does so much for the Legion and the community," Nilsen said.
The Legion has hosted free community dinners on Thanksgiving and Christmas for about 10 years, ever since the Lincoln Tavern burned down, Nilsen said. Before that, the tavern hosted dinners since 1977.
The Legion welcomes people who don't have anywhere to go on Thanksgiving or simply don't want to cook for themselves, such as older retired couples.
Pittman said he wanted to make sure people know in the future that many Legion events are open to the community and aren't just members-only. That includes dinners served on Friday nights.
Tonasket Eagles Aerie No. 3002, 213 S. Western Ave., served meals to more people this year.
"We served 113 meals," volunteer Sue Wisener said. "That's about 15 ahead of last year."
While the group saw a variety of people, the majority had one thing in common.
"A lot of people came who just don't want to cook," she said. "We put out a good meal … and lots of pies."
Other main volunteers were Wisener's husband, Ron Wisener, and Lyle Anderson. This was Sue Wisener's third year volunteering, and while she said she loves doing it, she misses having leftovers at home.
Thanksgiving dinners also were hosted at Eva's Diner and Bakery in Oroville, 712 14th Ave.; and the Methow Valley United Methodist Church, 193 B Old Twisp Highway.
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The girls played on the road against Windom Area on Tuesday night, and lost 61-52.
The SJA girls basketball team dropped home game to the visiting BEA Buccaneers 51 to 32 last Friday night.
Windom Area Beats Saints 61-52
The girls played on the road against Windom Area on Tuesday night, and lost 61-52.
It was a tight game in the first half as the Saints trailed at the halfway mark by two 26-24.
Windom opened a large lead in the second half. They were up by 15 points with four minutes to go, but the Saints went on a run to close the final margin to nine.
Freshman Julia Beckius was the leading scorer with 18. Other Saints in double figures were Emily Hurley and Brenda Crevantes with 11.
As she has had many times this year Hurley had a double double when she snared 14 rebounds - half of the team's 28 boards.
Shooting remains a challenge for the girls. The team shot 22 of 67 from the floor and they were only 4 of 13 from the free throw line.
Head Coach Adam Schroeder said, "We lost by nine but played pretty well.
"Julia played very well and most of her points came off of her seven steals. We are starting to play a little better, we just need to work on some sort of offensive flow and continue to be aggressive on the boards. We will have a tough task against a big, and physical St. Peter team."
The SJA girls basketball team dropped home game to the visiting BEA Buccaneers 51 to 32 last Friday night.
If the young Saints could bottle up how they played in the first ten minutes of the game and played that way every minute, they'd probably go unbeaten the rest of the year.
The girls exploded out to a 23-8 lead over BEA, but the visitors then went on a 22-0 run to close out the first half, which gave the visitors a halftime lead of 30-23.
In the opening nine plus minutes of the game the Saints were firing on all cylinders. Just about all of the shots the girls threw up touched the bottom of the net. They got stops, rebounds, and forced turnovers.
The taller and more experienced Bucs coughed up the ball three times in the first two minutes and the Saints converted on the other end of the court.
SJA spurted out to an 8-0 lead with a few ticks more than two minutes gone in the game, prompting BEA Head Coach Al Cue to call a time out to stem the Saints opening run.
That run saw the Saints knock down a pair of treys and Devon Flohrs scored a layup off of one of those early steals.
The Saints put light pressure on BEA as they took the ball up the court and that seemed to bother the Bucs early on. SJA also did a better job of not being bothered by BEA's pressure in the early part of the game.
When SJA's Brenda Cervantes dropped in a pair of free throws with 8:44 left in the first half the girls had their biggest lead at 23-8.
Free throw opportunities were few and far between for the Saints in the first half as BEA had two fouls called against them while the Saints had 12 fouls called against them.
With the Saints leading 23-21 SJA's Aryn Eckstrom took a shot from the corner and was badly hacked with the ball flying out to the middle of the free throw lane (see this video on our website). A foul was not called on BEA.
This so infuriated the Saints Head Coach Adam Schroeder that he was called for a technical. Coach Schroeder is generally a mild mannered guy.
BEA made the two technical FTs and got a bucket on the inbound play. In this critical stretch where BEA took over the lead, they made five free throws plus the bucket after the technical.
This gave the visitors a 28-23 lead and another two pointer for BEA closed out the first half scoring.
The foul calls were definitely going against the Saints, as the Saints had 19 fouls called on them while BEA had only seven called on them. At the same time, some of the other trends that have plagued the girls this season reemerged during the game.
BEA was a longer, taller team and they eventually came to dominate the boards in this game and got points off of second or third shot attempts.
BEA pressure began to force the Saints into turnovers. SJA had 19 turnovers and BEA had 11 turnovers for the game.
After a hot shooting start, the Saints went cold. For the game, SJA shot 22 percent from the floor. The girls scored only 12 points in the second half and there was a ten minute stretch in the second half where the team didn't score at all.
Sophomore Morgan Sandmeyer broke that dry spell by knocking down a three with a little over a minute and a half left in the game.
SJA freshman Julia Beckius led the Saints in scoring with 16. Emily Hurley had ten rebounds.


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EMORY—The Harmony Eagles completed their 2012 non-district football schedule with a 28-12 victory over the 3A Rains Wildcats last Friday night to spoil the Wildcats' homecoming.
This was the Eagles' fourth win in a row after an opening week loss to Winnsboro. Harmony has outscored its opponents 165-18 during their current win streak.
The Eagles are open this week, before beginning District 9-2A Division I play on Friday, Oct. 12, when they host the Sabine Cardinals in a 7:30 p.m. contest.
Harmony used a dominant defense in the first half to run up a 28-0 lead before the Wildcats could score later in the second half. The Eagle "D" set up the first score of the game, as Levi Thompson recovered a Rains fumble at the Rains 36.
Seven plays later, Harmony QB Alan Perlata launched a perfect spiral pass into the end zone, where Lucas Askew caught it for a 15-yard TD. The PAT snap was bobbled as Harmony led 6-0 with 7:06 to go in the first quarter.
Special teams helped the Eagles on their next scoring possession.
Jacob Fielden launched a 44-yard punt to pin the 'Cats on their own 10. The Eagle defense forced a quick 3-and-out, as Rains punted to give Harmony another short field at the Wildcats 41.
After a couple of first downs, the Eagle drive stalled. On fourth and five at the Rains 12, Harmony's Pedro Barrios booted a 29-yard field goal to increase the Eagle lead to 9-0 with 10:38 to play in the second quarter.
The Eagle defense again set the table for the offense, as Harmony defender Brandon Glenn ripped the pigskin from a Rains running back on the next play from scrimmage and recovered it at the Wildcat 33.
After a 14-yard jaunt by Juan Montoya, Peralta juked and jutted 18 yards up the middle for six more points. Fabian Romero kicked the PAT, to give Harmony a commanding, 16-0 halftime lead.
Turnovers continued to plague the Wildcats, as they fumbled the second-half kickoff back to Harmony. Peralta capped a 43-yard scoring drive with a one-yard sneak for six more points. The PAT failed as Harmony now led, 22-0, with only three minutes gone in the second half.
The Wildcats returned the ensuing kickoff to the Harmony 43 to give Rains great field possession, but the offense continued to sputter as the Harmony defense turned the ball over on downs without a first down.
It only took Peralta and Co. four plays to score the next Eagle TD. The score came on a 9-yard pass to Askew. The big play of the drive was a 37-yard pass to Fielden, sandwiched between two runs of 18 yards by Montoya. The PAT again was unsuccessful as the Harmony lead swelled to 28-0 with 5:26 to play in the third.
The Rains offense finally managed to put together two scoring drives to prevent a shutout. Marquel Spigner sprinted 9 yards for a Wildcat TD late in the third quarter, and he scored from five yards out late in the game to salvage a bit of celebration for the Wildcat homecoming crowd.
Montoya was the game's leading rusher as he rushed for 109 yards on 19 carries. Unfortunately, he suffered a severe arm injury in the final two minutes of the game. Peralta gained 83 yards on 17 carries and accounted for all four Harmony touchdowns with two rushing and two passing. His favorite target for the evening was Askew who snagged six passes for 89 yards.
On defense, Tim McCoy and Levi Thompson recorded 13 tackles each for the Eagles, and Brandon Johnson added 11 tackles for Harmony.
Score by quarter:
Harmony 6 10 12 0 - 28
Rains 0 0 6 6 - 12
Harmony Rains
19 ….. First Downs ….......... 8
44-219 .. Rushes-Yds. …..... 35-122
10-22-1 .. Passes: C-A-I …..... 3-6-0
151 …. Passing Yds. …......... 57
370 ….. Total Yds. ……......... 179
2-0 …. Fumbles-Lost …......... 4-3
5-44 …. Penalties-Yds …...... 4-30
4-35.3 … Punts-Avg. ……... 4-24.5


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Rooney-Mara relationship shaped Steelers, Giants and NFL
They are the First Family of the NFL.
Relying on multi-generational knowledge of the league and how to succeed through astute drafting, excellent coaching and strong management, the family's team already has won two Super Bowls in this young century.
The franchise was founded by a sports legend with gambling ties — something that wouldn't be permitted today — who was succeeded by his son, and both became members of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
The on-field leader is a star quarterback drafted in 2004. And to add a dash of glamour, a franchise valued at more than $1 billion includes a movie producer in the ownership group.
When the Steelers play the New York Giants late Sunday afternoon, it will be yet another showcase for a team that emerged from the NFL's dark ages, when the league was a mere blip on the nation's sports radar, fourth or fifth in interest behind baseball, college football, boxing and maybe even college basketball.
But the team's family ownership persevered and was rewarded as the sport evolved and prospered beyond all expectations, even spawning an unofficial national holiday: Super Sunday.
Obviously it will be another great day for the Rooneys.
Or is it the Maras?
Or both?
Just as the Rooneys and the Steelers are synonymous in Pittsburgh, so are the Maras and the Giants in New York. Neither franchise has played a game without a Rooney or a Mara in charge — the Giants have played 1,217 games, the Steelers 1,083 — and it is unimaginable to think either ever will.
'Goes back to the beginning'
Everything the Steelers are came about, in part, because of the friendship between Giants founder Tim Mara and Steelers founder Art Rooney, a tip and a tipped pass.
"The relationship between the Rooneys and the Maras goes back to the beginning," Steelers president Art Rooney II said. "My grandfather and Tim Mara were good friends and got through the hard times together."
With the fledgling NFL desperate for a big-city franchise in 1925 (teams at the time were in cities such as Pottsville, Pa.; Frankford, Pa.; Hammond, Ind.; and Duluth, Minn.), Tim Mara — a bookmaker since age 18 — spent $500 to put a team in New York. Today, the Giants are worth about $1.3 billion.
It was a game day to game day proposition to make ends meet, and the Giants often didn't. Mara's friend, Pittsburgh gambler Art Rooney, encountered the same fate eight years later after he put up $2,500 for a Pittsburgh franchise.
Both teams tried to hire big names to prop up the gate. The Giants landed an over-the-hill Jim Thorpe; the Steelers, known then as the Pirates, signed a college whiz running back named Byron "Whizzer" White.
Rooney's fortunes turned when a tip by Mara paid off with a $50,000 payday that Rooney parlayed into more than $300,000, moving from track to track during one of the most spectacular sprees of betting in horse racing history.
It was so much money that Rooney hired an armored truck to bring his haul back to Pittsburgh. The actual amount was never disclosed, but it set up the Rooneys for life. Factoring in inflation, $350,000 in 1936 would be $5.7 million today.
Out of respect for a friend whose bookmaking business he wounded by winning such an enormous bet, Art Sr. later named his son Tim after Mara. Tim Rooney, fittingly, went on to run part of the family's horse racing business, and his daughter, Kathleen, married current-day Giants player evaluation vice president Chris Mara.
That bet wasn't the only Mara family transaction that aided the Rooneys.
In 1970, with the Giants now being run by Tim Mara's son, Wellington Mara, and his nephew, Timothy J. Mara, the team dealt middle linebacker Henry Davis and a little-known running back drafted in the 11th round the year before to Pittsburgh for backup quarterback Dick Shiner.
Shiner threw only 12 passes that season, but running back Frenchy Fuqua gained nearly 3,000 yards in seven Steelers season and, even more significantly, was the point man for the Immaculate Reception.
Had Fuqua not streamed out of the backfield to occupy Raiders defensive back Jack Tatum's attention, causing Terry Bradshaw to throw the ball his way rather than toward intended receiver Barry Pearson, the greatest play in pro football history wouldn't have happened.
Steelers chairman emeritus Dan Rooney, who counts the Maras among his closest friends, credits the Immaculate Reception with changing everything about the Steelers, including their perception of being the NFL's version of the can't-win Cubs.
Special relationship
Over the years, the Rooneys and Maras have been much more than friendly rival owners.
"My dad many years ago started to sit beside Wellington at league meetings, and that continues today," Art Rooney II said. "We go to a league meeting, you sit with the Giants and you compare notes on things. It's been a great relationship and something that's a special part of being in the National Football League."
In 1961, Art Rooney Sr. and son Dan twisted the arms of brothers Wellington and Jack Mara to convince them that a national TV contract in which the clubs split the revenues equally was best for the league. It was a huge concession for the Maras because the New York TV rights were worth many times more than those in Green Bay.
Eight years later, Wellington Mara, in turn, persuaded the Rooneys and Browns owner Art Modell to make the move from the National Conference — the NFL — to the merged American Conference, the former AFL. It was a switch Dan Rooney initially despised.
"Wellington was one of the people that influenced my dad that this was going to be OK, and we'd survive and still be friends," Rooney II said.
In 1976, Wellington Mara appointed Dan Rooney as chief labor negotiator with the players' union; Mara, Rooney and players union chief Gene Upshaw overcame differences — such as the 1982 strike — to reach labor deal after labor deal.
In recognition of how their astute decisions influenced the NFL, Art Sr. and Dan Rooney and Tim and Wellington Mara are the only father-son pairs to be enshrined in the Hall of Fame.
Today, Art II runs the Steelers on a day-to-day basis, and John Mara, the oldest of Wellington's 11 children, and Steve Tisch are the Giants' co-owners. The Tisch family, which has ties to the movie business, acquired Timothy J. Mara's 50 percent stake in 1991.
The Rooneys added minority owners in 2006 — among them movie producer Thomas Tull, who recently increased his stake to avoid having to sell the team. That was two years after the Giants and Steelers dipped into the 2004 draft pool to grab their leaders, quarterbacks Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger.
There's another movie connection, too: Rooney Mara, daughter of Giants player evaluation vice president Chris Mara and Kathleen Rooney Mara, was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Actress last year. Her sister, Kate, also is an actress.
Rooney Mara. What a perfect name for the child of two families so closely tied for so many decades — first by gambling, then by football, now by blood.
The NFL's two First Families.
Alan Robinson is a staff writer for Trib Total Media. He can be reached at firstname.lastname@example.com.


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he fifth Construction Inflation Alert released by the Associated General Contractors of America (AGC), Washington, D.C., cautions owners, budget setters, and contractors to anticipate larger materials and labor cost increases in 2008 than those experienced in the past 12 months.
"Non-residential construction has had a banner year so far in 2007, and we've seen spending on nearly every segment increase compared to 2006, despite the plunge in home building," says AGC Chief Economist Ken Simonson. "The materials cost surges that plagued the industry in 2004-2006 have slowed dramatically, and labor remains available in most markets."
According to Simonson, however, the worsening slide in home building and the turmoil in the credit markets are threatening some types of non-residential construction. "At the same time, some materials costs are beginning to turn up again, and labor costs have started to accelerate," he notes.
A recent press release from the AGC states the cumulative increase in the producer price index (PPI) for construction inputs (click here to see chart) since December 2003 (28% since August 2007) remains more than double the 13% increase in the most common measure of overall inflation, the consumer price index (CPI) for all urban consumers. Conversely, labor costs have risen at similar rates for construction and for the private sector as a whole.
The cumulative difference matters because the estimates for many projects now being bid were prepared in 2003-2005 under the assumption that construction costs would rise at the same rate as the CPI. That variance explains why some projects have been canceled, postponed, or redesigned.
Meanwhile, the nonresidential industry has profited from increased availability of specialty trade workers who have relocated from residential work. "But wages have begun rising more steeply for specialty trade contractors, suggesting that the number of workers suitable to switch is close to exhaustion," says Simonson. "In the next several months, the rate of wage increases is likely to reach 5% to 5.5%, up from a recent 4.5% gain," says Simonson.
According to AGC, labor costs will also probably accelerate further if residential building begins to draw back specialty trade contractors in late 2008. "Construction wages could go up 5% to 6% annually for several years beginning in late 2008," suggests Simonson.


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Tuesday, July 05, 2011
Science Fair
I have one kid who's good at the school stuff and another who hates it. So when Mr 11(the school work hater) runs to me after school with a big beam on his face I know it's good news.
Mother: "How was school?"
Mr 11: "It was cool. In science we dissected a cow's eye. It was really cool. Some kids thought it was gross but I didn't."
Mother: "Fantastic. I thought you were happy."
Mr 11:" Oh yeah, there's another thing. At the end of science we got to go and see all the science fair projects. And I couldn't find mine. And then R told me he knew where it was. And I came first in my class! And, even better, I came 3rd out of all the year 7 and 8 kids (130 kids) and, even better, P won the whole thing out of the whole school and he's only a year 7 like me. And we're both going to the regionals."
Mr 11's project looked at whether doing a blood test on clean or dirty fingers made any difference to blood glucose levels. (It did!) A totally relevant project for a type one diabetic.
But I want to know - do any kids actually do their science fair projects TOTALLY by themselves. Mr 11 did the research, the testing, the writeup - but I did most of the sticking to the display board. And helped him refine his topic. Come on parents - 'fess up!
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- Janine said...
Well done to Mr 11 what a fantastic effort. I must admit dissecting a cow's eye doesn't appeal lol.
- Penny said...
Mr7 hasn't reached the science project level yet, but no doubt there will be some parental involvement ;)
Well done E! And great topic too. I never could think of a topic.
- Rachel F said...
Well done E!
And yes my kids do all their work on there own. Abby had a wearable arts competition she entered last year and did all the work on her own - she asked me but i told her it was her project not mine. How unfair was it that the people that placed the parents had basically done the whole project - the thing is you could tell. VERY unfair for those kids who actually do there own! I told the teacher when I was talking to him that maybe for next year they should have sections and one being NO parental help! (not that they would have listened and Abby is now at high school so she won't care lol) Made me feel a bit better!
- My Cottage Charm said...
Hey Melissa! I was checking my mail and got a notice that a Melissa Thorn left a message on my blog..I thought I got hacked, but it was you! How funny that we share the same name! :0) (that's definitely a first for me!) lol
I had no idea that testing blood on a dirty finger would make a difference in the testing...I learned something new today! :) I homeschool my 10 year old son, so I'll put that info to good use!
Thanks for leaving the comment, it was SO sweet..."loving with your soul"..I'll remember that one!
Have a great day!
- Jules said...
OH WOW! congratulations. doesnt your heart just want to explode with pride when you see your kids acheiving! thats a really interesting project and for an 11 year old to do that all himself - wow. i help my son with his work, but he is only 7, lol. i imagine i will be involved in discussing as he gets older, but not in doing.


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So, chapter 6 from Vol 8 is out thanks to Vexed, and it has plenty of interesting thins here and there.
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well ı don't like Sena's personality but i kinda want to support her. maybe ı am weak to blondes :P Yozora's personality remind me of a person ı don't want to meet again. ı had friend and one day she joined that person's circle of friends. ı tried to be nice and understanding even didn't retort when she insulted in front of many people but in the that person never wanted see me among HER friends. Yozora kinda reminds me of her with her "Kodoka and others" thinking.
anyway if you see write something bad about yozora. it is biased. I can't change my past and my feelings regarding it. by the way ı said ı support Sena but Rika would be the best match with Kodoka She is way too cute
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Haganai Connect gives us some of the events this time from the girls' POV.
One chapter has Yozora from right before Kodaka transfered until Sena knocked at the door of the club for the first time, from her POV.
The same for Rika and Yukimura at another chapters, how they first joined the club, from their POV. Rika's chapter shows how Sena's father asked her to go to his school and then how she joined the club.
One important chapter is about Stella, as well as Tenma's and Hayato's High School days. I don't know if/when we will read about it at the main novel. Major Spoiler about Stella:
Spoiler for Stella:
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I was reading the Chinese forums, and there was a lot of speculation about how Haganai would end. One guy said that after reading Haganai Connect he saw something that indicated that Sena was out of the running for sure. I'm trying to identify what that is.
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woah, this volume it's full of interesting happenings, though it's quite a pity that I can read it only with google translator... something it's understandable, but sometimes i had to fill the blank spots with what i thought it could be reasonable
from what I could understand
Spoiler for Yozora ( I think ):
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Google translate doesn't understand that something is a name and not a regular word.
Hawk is Kodaka, Sky is Yozora and science is Rika.
◾Kodaka and Kobato's surname, Hasegawa (羽瀬川) literally means "Shallow River of Feathers"
◾Kodaka's name (小鷹) means "Little Hawk"
◾Her surname, Mikazuki (三日月) means "Cresent Moon" and her given name, Yozora (夜空) means "Night Sky". Put together, and her name means "Cresent Moon in the Night Sky".
◾Rika's given name (理科) means "Science".
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I think this could be what the guy in the Chinese forum was referring to when he said that the events in Connect strongly suggest that Sena's out of the running.
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Yeah, I'd like to know what exacty happened there too Google translate, as always, does a wonderful job at cracking me up every time I use it Did Yozora see Kodaka and Rika talking and then leave?
I really, really hope there won't be a suicide path here. I had, ermm... "left" the series for a while and I remembered fondly how much fun it all was, but when I read some of the novel chapters again I remembered just how poignant it was at times (well, a lot actually). When it gets serious, it gets serious. And that's enough serious for me, I really hope that it doesn't become that dark. Though, knowing Yozora and her downward spiral, there's always a possibility...
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If you're looking for a warm fuzzy story this Thanksgiving weekend, I have two.
The first belongs to our Thanksgiving package where we highlighted what Yorkers cherish this holiday. (Hint: It's difficult to fit this theme for the Money & More section. Most people, I hope, won't say, "I cherish money.")
I met Amanda Danuski through through Twitter and wrote this story about her cherishing the ability to start a new job while coping with osteogenesis imperfecta, a brittle bone disease.
Today, a story I wrote about Chandra Illarza appeared on the front of the Sunday News . The York city woman recently quit her job and purchased a house to shelter homeless men.n Continue reading


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I read an article this morning written my a writer/mom regarding her feelings of summer with her children. It brought to mind an essay I wrote for our local paper (hard to believe eleven years ago)*. I re-read my piece, smiled a little bittersweetly, but happy to be where we are now as well. This essay was written at the end of summer about the precious days and nights for children while out of school. For me, now days long gone, though still close to my heart. My children are no longer running though sprinklers, though it still sounds like fun to me. Now they are busy with friends, jobs, high school & college... and all the other activities that are oh so important for fifteen to twenty year olds. I always try to appreciate these moments, a blink and then they are gone. This is especially why I love to write, or journal. What is no longer a part of our daily life can be revisted forever through words. A very satisfying feeling.
- until next time, c
*(I'm sharing the essay below for those interested in reading it.) Your comments are always welcome.
THEN: Summer 2002 (ages 6, 7 and 11)
NOW: Difficult to find a photo of all three together these days, these are somewhat recent...
winter 2011 (ages 15, 16 and 20)
winter 2011 (ages 15, 16 and 20)
Summertime is Precious Time
By Cathy Collins
So here we are again, the time of year everyone talks about. They even have commercials about it-Staples comes to mind- finally, the kids are going back to school! This disturbs me. Every time I see that commercial I wonder what a child must think while watching it… 'my parents can't wait to get me out of their hair'?
It saddens me to think that summer is ending. No more coming down to a leisurely breakfast in the morning with the kids excitedly asking: "what are we going to do today mom"?
I'm anticipating this sense of loss before the kids go back to school. I know my two youngest are really going to miss their 'buddy', their older sister, once school starts. Who am I kidding I am going to miss her too, our frequent late nights… for a steal away dinner, or a movie.
When children reach school age, the summer is the only time of year when they have, in their minds, complete freedom.
During the summer you can linger with your children at the lunch and dinner table. Talk about your day, allow the kids to be creative with their plans for the afternoon, or after dinner, since you don't have to work around homework and most school year activities.
Don't get me wrong, schedules are great, they keep us sane when we would otherwise be totally crazed. But this all too short respite during the summer is a welcome relief to the fast pace of the school year.
Before you know it, kids are expected to manage their own schedules. High school, part-time jobs and activities…and then they are off to college. When they are young, kids should be given the opportunity to be kids.
Each day of summer is a new experience or perhaps the same old thing. But each day really does belong to the children during the summer. It is a gift of time for them, to do with as they wish.
Swinging on the swings, looking up at the clear blue sky, trying to grab the sun and keep it with them forever. Or just sitting side by side on the swings, licking drippy popsicles and talking- about nothing, about everything.
Building a fort in the backyard keeps children of all ages happily busy for a whole afternoon. For a day: they become architects, construction workers and interior designers. They teach themselves to manage employees, designate responsibilities and promote deserving workers...all in a days play!
The resourcefulness of young children always amazes me. When given the time, they use their vivid imaginations to make up games. Or they play classic games with an added twist- to accommodate children of different ages. These games can go on for hours, all it takes is time. In this hectic world we live in, summer is the season for children, when this precious free time belongs to them.
The jingle of the ice-cream truck propels them from their game of the moment. The next big decision in their life is what kind of ice cream to get.
Everyday is a weekend for kids in the summertime, as it should be. During the school year it is a different type of learning, more structured, less creative.
I get weary thinking of the schedule that most kids today work through on a daily basis. Between school and activities, fourth and fifth graders today are as busy as high school kids were in my day. They don't seem any worse for the wear, though it surely means that these carefree days of summer are that much more important.
Maybe if life were a little slower paced, a bit more like it was 30 years ago, maybe then the end of summer wouldn't seem like a loss.
If they want to catch bugs or chase butterflies, I'll cheer them on. If they want to play hopscotch of have a hula-hoop contest, I'll join them. The glee and excitement they feel now when I spray them with the garden hose will be just a memory in a few years time… something only little kids do.
I am savoring these last moments of summer with my children, because that is all they are, moments and then they are gone.
At least by stepping back and appreciating these moments they will always stay with us. School schedules resume, life goes on, but the memories of the fun filled, leisurely days of summer cannot be taken away from us. ~ September 2000


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The U.S. added 148,000 jobs in September — less than many economists expected, but August data were revised upward and the unemployment rate fell to 7.2 percent, from 7.3 percent, according to the Labor Department.
Although delayed three weeks by the federal government shutdown, the September report doesn't reflect that event.
Rutgers University economist Jim Hughes said September was "certainly not as strong as the early part of the year. We started off the year like gangbusters, then we have seen a slowing over the summer. Now we are going to get some strange numbers for October, November and December with the disruption (from the federal government shutdown). In 2013, we came in with a bang, and we are going out with a whimper."
He said in New Jersey, the first six months of 2013 outpaced 2012, then July and August were very weak.
"I think that reflects the aftershocks of superstorm Sandy. The Shore resorts had a very bad summer, so people weren't renting homes, they weren't making day trips and a lot of the money that would have been spent at the Shore" went elsewhere. Hughes said the pace of Sandy rebuilding has been slower than many people expected.
"I think the combination of those two things was sort of like a pause button for the New Jersey economy," he said.
Harvey Bass, chief executive of the job placement firm Stascom Technologies, said hiring is strong for those who are already employed and want to change jobs. "Good candidates are in the driver's seat." He said a candidate who is being recruited to change jobs may be able to get a 10 to 15 percent salary increase.
"Small to medium-sized companies are hiring much more than the big companies," Bass said. "There is a lot of hiring going on with companies with less than 50 people, and companies under $300 million a year." He said hiring is across the board, including financial services, medical and office equipment.
But for the long-term unemployed, "their plight isn't going to get much easier," Bass said. "I would say 90 percent of the hiring going on right now is people switching jobs."
Jack Mozloom, spokesman for the New Jersey chapter of the National Federation of Independent Business, said many small businesses are reluctant to hire.
"Our members are extremely wary of the direction of the country," he said. "They are uncertain of how public policies like the health care law are going to affect their businesses, and they are extremely reluctant to hire because of it."
Patrick O'Keefe, chief economist of the accounting and consulting firm CohnReznick, in Roseland, said the September jobs report, "was a confirmation of the extent to which the economy was decelerating over the course of the summer."
He said in February, the three-month average of job gains was about 230,000, and in September was down around 140,000. O'Keefe said food service and retail, both major contributors to job gains this year, slowed sharply in September, and health care job growth also has slowed dramatically.


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Performer holds a prediction. He asks a few people in the audience to name numbers. Those numbers are added. The prediction is then opened, to reveal that the total number has been predicted. (No "add a number" gimmicks, no forces, free choice of numbers)
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Hollywood director talks movies, Maxinkuckee roots
Hollywood film director and producer J.B. Rogers shared a recurring piece of advice for aspiring filmmakers Saturday night: film school? Maybe, but the real ticket "in" is getting coffee for the important folks.
Rogers, an Indianapolis native and Park Tudor grad who spent childhood summers on Lake Maxinkuckee, had that to say and much more, to members of the Culver Club of Culver Saturday evening at the Dave and Ginny Gibson cottage on East Shore Drive.
An appearance from a successful Hollywood director is a rarity anywhere, but surely Culver is one of the few small, Indiana towns where it's not exactly a surprise -- which made the event no less a hit with the approximately 60 guests who enjoyed an array of hors d'oeuvres and beverages, as well as the spectacular view of the lake, before and after Rogers' talk.
His oft-referenced suggestion -- the coffee, that is -- grew from his own experiences. Originally intending a career in medicine, Rogers switched to law school, soon answering a friend's invitation to spend some time in Los Angeles. In the meantime, the experience of seeing the Arnold Schwarzenegger film "The Terminator" gave him the idea, he said, that "maybe I could make this."
This was followed by a stint in film school, still in LA., during which he interned with a movie studio, handling Xeroxes and -- you guessed it -- getting coffee for the people in charge, all of it unpaid.
He eventually found himself working on a movie set as production assistant -- which still meant getting people coffee, though he later graduated to "blood boy," cleaning up blood between takes as actors slew the undead. This led to work with Joe Dante, the man responsible for movies like "Gremlins" and "The Burbs," and "Inner Space," among others, now even for pay.
"Film school for me," Rogers told the audience, was working alongside Roger Corman, "King of the 'B' movies...we were making a movie every month. If you survive there, you're learning!"
At 24 years old, Rogers found himself in charge of stunt men blowing up cars and the like. And while the "film school" of Roger Corman during Rogers' days didn't produce any directors, it did produce various behind-the-scenes talent including Academy Award winners and a director of photography for Christopher Nolan's "Batman" film trilogy.
Rogers' big break, in many ways, came with a call from a producer friend who introduced him to Peter and Bob Farrelly.
"We all just gelled together and found common ground. Pete and Bob are really, really funny, but they could care less about technical filmmaking, (but) I care that things are done a certain way. We've been together since 1993."
With the Farrellys, Rogers worked on movies like "Dumb & Dumber," "Kingpin," "Me, Myself, and Irene, "There's Something About Mary," and more recently "The Three Stooges." They're at work on a sequel to "Dumb & Dumber" now.
Rogers earned a reputation as "that guy who can work with two directors," and so was called upon for both "American Pie" and its sequel. He said his first crack at full-blown directing came with "Say it Isn't So," and he more recently directed a movie currently out on DVD called "Demoted," which was shot in Michigan.
He's also forayed into television work, on an R.L. Stine book being turned into a TV series, as well as with Pete Farrelly doing commercials.
Another recurring theme in Rogers' talk was also perhaps surprising: not only is Hollywood not all glamour, but much of it behind the scenes is "blue collar."
"It's one of the last hand-made products in America," he noted. "We say we're making sausage!"
Asked if he found Hollywood culture surreal, Rogers said while moviemaking is "a different kind of business," the people behind movies "are not the ones on 'Entertainment Tonight.' They're people working really hard and for the most part, doing a great job."
In the wake of the recent recession, money has grown tighter for making movies, which has actually resulted in a tendency from (now mostly corporate-merged) studios to ignore any potential film property with a budget under $100 million. The result: more "bankable" hits like the "Batman" movies, than experimental films, regardless of quality. A movie like "The Godfather," said Rogers, though it's considered one of the greatest of all time, wouldn't be made today.
Another surprise was the presence of a second locally-connected individual working in Hollywood. 14-year-old Fritz Wurster, whose grandparents have a cottage on Lake Maxinkuckee as well, recently filmed a role as a teenage Seth Rogen in a movie due out next year. His entree into Hollywood came as a result of working his way through several auditions.
Rogers, answering audience questions, said he sees the future of movies in simultaneous at-home (delivered through the internet) and big-screen movie releases, rather than the current delay. The theatrical element will always remain, he emphasized, for those who wish to go on dates or experience some technically impressive movies as a big-screen spectacle.
Audience member Phyllis Munroe told Rogers his late father, Baxter Rogers, was very proud of him. Her husband, Bruce Munroe, recalled Baxter Rogers sharing dinner with J.B. and movie star Jim Carrey.
"Your dad said (to Carrey), 'You know, you're pretty funny,'" laughed Munroe in recollection.
Rogers also introduced his wife, Gwen, whom he married in 1995 at the Bradley cottage on Lake Maxinkuckee, and who noted she's just launched a bake shop in Indianapolis, The Cake Bake Shop.