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A passion for helping others is the foundation of everything we do at Cedars-Sinai – and extends from the care we provide at our Medical Center to the Los Angeles neighborhoods we serve through a broad spectrum of Community Benefit activities. This commitment to improving our community's health has been a crucial part of our mission since our beginning more than a century ago.
In 2017, Cedars-Sinai's financial contribution to Community Benefit totaled $797 million. This includes traditional charity care for the uninsured and those with limited means; the unreimbursed cost of caring for Medi-Cal and Medicare patients; medical research; education of health professionals; and hundreds of community service programs at the Medical Center and in local schools, homeless shelters and community centers.
Among the most significant ways we support the community are:
- Providing access to essential healthcare for those in greatest need. As a not-for-profit hospital, Cedars-Sinai provides free and part-pay hospital care for the uninsured and those with limited means. In addition to this traditional charity care, Cedars-Sinai is one of the largest providers of Medi-Cal services among non-government hospitals in California. Medi-Cal and Medicare payments from government are significantly less than the actual cost of caring for these patients, yet we do so as part of our longstanding commitment to community and to patients. In 2017, Cedars-Sinai provided $75.9 million to pay for the unfunded cost of caring for Medi-Cal patients, as well as $35.9 million in traditional charity care for indigent patients who did not have Medi-Cal or Medicare. In addition, as the hospital serving the largest number of Medicare patients in California we provided $378.7 million for the unfunded cost of care for Medicare patients.
- Empowering communities to become healthier. Through a wide range of programs and services, we promote prevention and early detection of health problems and help people of all ages get the care they need. We work closely with schools, community centers, homeless shelters, places of worship, senior centers, local government and others with first-hand knowledge of community needs, providing support in ways that expand their capabilities and maximize the impact of our joint efforts.
- Expanding medical knowledge as an international leader in biomedical research. Through innovative research, we create new approaches to healing that lead to earlier diagnoses, more effective treatments and better outcomes for patients worldwide.
- Educating the next generation of physicians, nurses and others. With the U.S. facing a critical shortage of healthcare professionals, Cedars-Sinai's role as a not-for-profit academic medical center that trains those who represent the future of medicine is more important than ever.


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Those attributes most commonly associated with slackers, such as sketch clothing, joblessness, being generally chill, and having a hardcore dedication to hanging out on the couch.
Every since Meriam dropped out of that noisy rock-n-roll band, I fear that our daughter has become ... has become ... positivey slackadelic!
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To kick off Black History Month on Friday, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints along with Spartanburg Community College, Spartanburg County Headquarters Library and The Humanities Council of South Carolina will hold a free two-day genealogy workshop.
Black History Month inspires many African-Americans to begin researching their family histories, but it can be difficult to find some ancestors.
Documentation on slaves wasn't always kept because they were considered property, but there are some records and resources to help. The challenge is where to find the information and what is available.
To kick off Black History Month on Friday, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints along with Spartanburg Community College, Spartanburg County Headquarters Library and The Humanities Council of South Carolina will hold a free two-day genealogy workshop. The annual event gives the church a chance to tell people about its collection of free family trees and genealogy records.
Joseph McGill, field officer at the Southern Office of the National Trust for Historic Preservation in Charleston, is the keynote speaker. He will talk about African-Americans in the Civil War from 7 to 8:30 p.m. Friday in the Barrett Room at the Headquarters Library. He will speak again during the family history workshop scheduled for 8:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. Saturday at the Tyger River Campus of Spartanburg Community College in Duncan. Lunch will be provided.
"The workshop continues to grow as word spreads about it," said Ranee Martin, director of Public Affairs for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in the Greenville-Spartanburg area. "We extended the workshop to the evening session because we want to give people more."
McGill, a native of Kingstree and a member of the South Carolina African American Heritage Commission and the African American Historical Alliance, is an historical interpreter and founder of Company "I" 54th Massachusetts Reenactment Regiment in Charleston. The 54th Regiment was featured in the 1989 movie "Glory." McGill and the regiment returned recently from participating in President Barack Obama's inauguration.
"I have been putting on that Civil War uniform for the last 20 years and it still excites me," McGill said.
His biggest project is a campaign to preserve slave dwellings across the country. Last year, McGill spent the night in the slave cabin at the Price House near Woodruff as part of his effort the Slave Dwelling Project.
"I have had a total of 38 stays in dwellings since May 2010, and I already have about eight places booked for this year," he said. "Most people are aware of what they have in these structures and are pretty receptive to saving them."
Since starting the initiative, McGill said more people are contacting him to identify slave dwellings and buildings because of his experience and knowledge of the structures. During the genealogy workshop, he will talk about his project.
Other items on the agenda include classes on how to get started on family history, resources available and organizing and planning family reunions. Sessions also will include reviewing tax lists, land records and census information.
Steven Tuttle, director of archives and records management at the S.C. Dept. of Archives and History, will talk about information available at the archives department. It includes vital statistics information such as births, marriages and deaths.
"Sometimes it is easier to find information on slaves in estate papers and wills because they typically show up under inventory," Tuttle said. "We also have bills of sale for slaves bought and sold at the Secretary of State office. Working on genealogy really is like working on a puzzle, and you have to find all of the pieces to put the history together."
For more information about the library program, call 596-3508. To get more information on the family history workshop, call 864-439-8716.


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All That for This, the second album from American Idol Season 9 runner-up Crystal Bowersox, comes out March 26. Bowersox wrote or co-wrote all but one of the album's dozen songs, a cover of The Sundays' 1990 Britpop hit Here's Where the Story Ends.
"There are definitely more happier light-hearted moments on this record," Bowersox, 27, says in the new album's bio. "There are also touches of some of the darkest places and emotional states that I've been in my past. This album reveals a much more grateful and gracious side of me. It's the next chapter of my life."
All That for This also includes a duet with Wallflowers frontman Jakob Dylan.
Bowersox calls the track with Dylan a dream collaboration, saying, "I grew up a fan of the Wallflowers. I can remember wearing my headphones and walking down the property line on my moms farm listening to Bringing Down the Horse. What his music did for me was give me a place to escape to when times were tough."
Here's the track listing for All That for This:
- Dead Weight
- Movin' On
- Fall Into Place
- Home
- Someday
- I Am
- Shine
- Til the Whiskey's Gone
- Amen for My Friends
- Stitches (with Jakob Dylan)
- Here's Where the Story Ends
- All That for This
Bowersox is also slated to portray country legend Patsy Cline in an upcoming Broadway production of the music Always...Patsy Cline.


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Model Ruslana Korshunova Dies In Fall From NYC High-Rise
Model Ruslana Korshunova Dies In Fall From NYC High-Rise
UPDATE: The medical examiner's office has ruled the death a suicide.
>> Sad news for the modeling industry today: 20-year-old Ruslana Korshunova fell to her death in an apparent suicide around 2:30 pm Saturday.
Although the fall is still under investigation, the Kazakhstani model known as IMG's "Russian Rapunzel" for her long flowing hair apparently jumped from her ninth-floor apartment in Manhattan's Financial District. Officials said there were no signs of a struggle in the apartment, where Ruslana had been living for only two months, and the balcony from which she fell had construction netting around it which appeared to have been deliberately ripped.
Ruslana was first discovered in November 2003 by Models 1 booker Debbie Jones, who saw her in an in-flight magazine article about her hometown in Kazakhstan, Almaty: "She looked like something out of a fairytale! We had to find her and we searched high and low until we did! She's really incredible with feline features and timeless beauty."
Since then, Ruslana appeared on the covers of Russian Vogue and French Elle, in ads for Marc by Marc Jacobs, Vera Wang, DKNY, and Christian Dior, and walked in numerous runways for the likes of Marchesa, Libertine, Y-3, Alberta Ferretti and Marc by Marc Jacobs.
A making of video of Ruslana's Nina by Nina Ricci fragrance television ad below.
Three months ago, Ruslana posted online: "I'm so lost. Will I ever find myself?" but Saturday, a friend said that she had just returned from a job in Paris and seemed to be "on top of the world." Her ex-boyfriend had just dropped her off at her apartment at 5 am that morning, after they watched the movie Ghost. And her best friend, Kira Titeneva avowed: "There's no way she would have killed herself. She loved life so much." Rest in peace, Ruslana.
A gallery of some of her work below.
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1) Only eat when sitting down. It's true, we tend to eat mindlessly and "graze" more when standing up. Sitting down encourages us to be present and eat with more focus--things that can prevent us from overeating.
2) Use small dinner plates. Using a smaller plate, research has shown, leads to taking smaller portions. If you're trying to avoid overeating, this is a simple trick.
3) Park in the back row at the grocery store. If you routinely hit the grocery store two or three times a week, walking an extra quarter mile to and from the store is an easy way to get more exercise into your busy day. You can adopt this policy everywhere you park, or just at the grocery store for starters.
4) Take the stairs at work. If you are only going up a flight or two, make a promise to yourself that you will take the stairs and give your legs and lungs a little workout mid-day.
5) Switch out coffee for green tea. Green tea has a multitude of health benefits, including warding off cancer, diabetes, high cholesterol and heart disease, stroke and dementia. If you can't do without your cup of joe every day, then start with just Mondays. Remember, the goal is to make small, manageable resolutions that you will keep.
6) Sign up for a 5K. Not a runner? Walk. The very act of signing up for a race will make you more accountable to lace up your sneakers and train for it.
7) Give your spouse one compliment a day. It's so easy to nitpick and criticize our partners, but make a positive change in your relationship by offering one nice, thoughtful exchange a day.
8) Start a journal. You don't have to write pages and pages. You don't even have to write in it every day. But honestly jotting down your thoughts, emotions, goals and hopes can be very healing to our souls.
9) Ditch naysayers. Life is too short to surround yourself with people who are negative, thoughtless, selfish or not healthy for you. Know how to tell? Monitor how you feel when you're around them-do you feel drained, angry, anxious or insecure? Might be time to weed them out of your life.
10) Find more positive friends. In addition to the above, make a commitment that you are going to surround yourself with those who make you feel great, warm, happy and comfortable. You'll notice a big difference in your energy when you're with them.
11) Give up soda. You don't have to completely rid your diet of all sugar and processed foods (although, that's great if you do), but replacing soda with water each day will make a huge difference in your health.
12) Sign up for a class. It doesn't matter what it is-yoga, Zumba, dance, photography, creative writing-anything that you are interested in and want to learn more about is great. In order to keep our minds healthy, it's important to continue learning new things.
13) Turn off the local news. You've probably noticed that the local news is often filled with negative, draining stories about violence, shootings, murders, thefts, etc. Definitely not a good way to start or end the day. Instead, get your news through reputable papers and online sites where you can pick and choose what you want to read.
14) Commit to vegan days. Take Meatless Mondays a step further and ditch the dairy too. Just one day a week of freeing your diet from all animal products can make a tremendous difference to your health, our environment and the life of animals who are often treated cruelly and inhumanely at factory farms.
15) Read more. Let's turn off the TV and our computers an hour earlier each day and read. Commit to reading one book a month and feel the difference it makes in your mental and brain health.
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You've got to hand it to Blue Line Innovations. It's PowerCost Monitor is one of the most basic energy monitoring devices available, yet it's racking up the interesting software partnerships—the latest with PlotWatt, makers of the PlotWatt Energy Dashboard.
Blue Line's PowerCost Monitor with Wi-Fi Gateway ($159) can now combine with PlotWatt's cloud-based software so homeowners to see both their real-time whole-home energy use and appliance level spending. No additional hardware or "smart plugs" are required. PlotWatt's patent-pending algorithms identify appliance-specific data signatures from a whole-house meter, and report the appliance-level costs to the homeowner. The dashboard also displays energy-saving recommendations.
PlotWatt receives live data feeds every 32 seconds from the PowerCost Monitor WiFi Gateway, which is broadly available at Lowes, Amazon and other select retailers.
The partnered solution is also available to PowerCost customers using Google's PowerMeter or Microsoft Hohm, both of which are to be discontinued.
"This is a real game changer for homeowners," says Peter Porteous, CEO Blue Line Innovations. "It has already been proven that displaying real-time energy data can help users achieve 5 to 15 percent energy reductions. With no extra hardware cost or subscription fee, PlotWatt users can now see exactly how much key appliances are using, and perhaps even more importantly, users can see personalized, customized energy saving recommendations that can push those savings even higher. We have been test driving the PlotWatt dashboard for nine months and this is the real deal—the data is impressive but the results are even more impressive."
Porteous adds: "With no additional hardware cost, the addition of PlotWatt data reduces the ROI (return on investment) timeline for most families to six months or less, making this a very compelling addition to the home." The PowerCost Monitor features a universal optical sensor that slips over the outside of virtually any electricity meter and then feeds that energy data in real time up through a WiFi Gateway to the PlotWatt dashboard. It's a simple, step-by-step installation with no
electricians required.
PlotWatt was a recent winner of the GE Ecomagination Challenge, one of five winners selected from over 800 submissions. PlotWatt's cloud-based algorithms analyze the real-time electricity data and identify unique appliance data signatures. These can be used to report energy usage in kWhs or dollars for major appliance groups in the home: heating, AC, refrigeration, clothes dryer, pumps and, of course, always-on waste. Mobile and tablet apps are expected by the end of the year.
Last month Blue Line announced a partnership with People Power, which can display energy sage reported from a PowerCost Monitor via a mobile app on an iPhone, iPad or Android-based phone—as well as offer social media comparisons and a competitive game in the form of energy quizzes.
At this time, The PowerCost Monitor with WiFi Gateway software and installation is designed for PC/Windows machines only. Blue Line says it is committed to developing and releasing a version of the software for Apple/MAC users by the end of 2011.
Porteous says Blue Line will also offer its PlotWatt package to utilities with a free real time roll-up view of their participating customer base. "We believe this will prove to be eye-opening data for the utilities as well."


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After you've tramped through Disney World - alongside the 20,000 to 60,000 dreamers who visit the giant theme park every day - you can let time flutter as 20,000 butterflies dance to Tchaikovsky's Danse des Mirlitons in the tropic calm of Butterfly World. It's located in nearby Coconut Grove, Fla.
50 Species to see: At any time, up to fifty species can be seen, but over 150 different species are on display over the course of a year.
20,000 Butterflies are in the aviary: The butterfl y count is unaffected by seasonal changes in tropical South Florida - and there are often more to see.
14 days Average life span: Butterflies in the aviary live for about fourteen days, compared to about seven days in the natural world. Some species, such as the Zebra Longwing, survive for up to about ten months. Species which vary their diet to include such things as fruit, pollen and dung can live even longer.
100+ Varieties of birds: Butterfly World also has an outdoor aviary enclosure with various educational programs. There's a gift shop and two outdoor cafes offering everything from snacks to lunch items. A beautiful picnic area and playground is located just outside the entrance at Tradewinds Park.
1 Shaft tail finch: This little bird nested in my wife's hair briefly and we almost took our little guest home with us.
If you go: Tradewinds Park, 3600 W. Sample Road Coconut Creek, FL 33073 www.butterflyworld.com


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This beautiful trek takes you up to Goecha- La at 4940m, opposite the eastern face of Mt. Kanchenjunga, third highest in the world and one of the most magnificent majestic peaks of the Himalayan range. From Darjeeling a wonderful drive takes us to Yuksom for our stunning adventure on the foothills of the Mt. Kanchenjunga massif. The trek begins through dense sub-tropical forests and passes vast pasturelands of grazing yaks to reach high alpine meadows and finally takes you to the top of the pass where a superb view of the Kanchenjunga awaits. After this glorious trek in the high alpine of Sikkim, we retrace our fabulous journey back to Yuksom with a drive to Kalimpong, another known retreat left over from the British era.
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The Wyoming Library Leadership Institute began in 2000
Point of contact:
Tasha Reeves
Fremont County Library - Lander, Main Branch
Lodging, materials and meals will be provided from the evening of the 18th to lunch on the 20th.
Is this right for you?
You could be new in the field, or you could have an established career. You could work in a school, academic, special or public library. The Institute is the place for you as long as you have the necessary spark to lead the Wyoming libraries of tomorrow!
Application Process
Interested individuals should consider applying if they want to learn more about leadership potential and style.
Individuals associated with all types of libraries (academic, public, school and special) are invited to apply. Trustees, support staff, paraprofessionals, library media specialists and librarians are eligible (trustees must have at least one year remaining in the term of his or her appointment at the time the institute is held). Your leadership role in the Wyoming library community is not based on job title.
To apply: WLLI Institute
Questions should be directed to Tasha Reeves - (307) 332-5194 or [email protected]
Library Leadership Institute (LLI) provides an opportunity for librarians and others associated with libraries to learn about leadership potential.
These acquired skills will be used to benefit their library, community and library association involvement. The program was developed because there was a recognized need to cultivate library leaders, which prompted the Wyoming State Library (WSL) to seek funding for the institute.
In early 2001, the State Library received a two-year Carol McMurry Library Endowment grant to create a leadership institute with the goal of developing leaders within the library community.
Through a competitive application process, sixteen individuals were selected for the first institute. Those attendees represented a cross section of employees including paraprofessionals, directors, support staff, library media specialists and special librarians. The speakers at the first institute were Jep Enck, of Enck Resources in Fort Collins, Colo., and John Kanengieter and Missy White from the National Outdoor Leadership School (NOLS) in Lander.
Topics for the institute included a personality inventory, leadership skill building, teambuilding principles, communication skills, leadership and decision-making styles and conflict exploration.
When asked about the experience, Valerie Roady, library media specialist for the Big Horn County School District commented, "There were lots of ideas and ways to 'get us going.
"I am now much more visible and more vocal. I only wish I'd had it years ago."
After the institute, the attendees were sent follow-up evaluations. These provided an opportunity to reflect back on their experiences from the institute.
Cynthia Twing, Johnson County library director, said, "The first Library Leadership Institute was a benchmark for me personally and professionally. The foundation for building my own leadership skills was laid. I will be forever grateful for the encouragement and confidence the institute has inspired."
Because the 2001 speakers were so well received, they were invited back for the 2002 institute. The 2002 institute had 11 attendees.
The focus for the institute was the same, but many of the activities were different. Marci Mock, circulation manager at Sheridan County Fulmer Public Library, commented on the 2002 institute, "It was a great chance to gather with peers and to realize we all share common leadership challenges. It was also nice to have the variety of libraries and levels of leadership represented at the institute."
Dale Collum, Uinta County library director, attended the 2001 institute, and then received the opportunity to become a planner for the 2002 institute. He was able to see the similarities and differences between the two programs and after the 2002 institute said, "I enjoyed LLI again this year. The presenters were good for the second year, and I learned several things this year that were different from last year. Apart from the training, one of the great things is the opportunity to network and get to know people from other libraries. It will help us share ideas."
The initial institute was planned by the Education and Leadership subcommittee of the Resource Sharing Council and the Wyoming State Library. The committee included Chris Van Burgh, Bobbi Thorpe and Jerry Krois of the State Library, Crystal Stratton of the Laramie County Community College Library, and Frances Clymer of the McCracken Research Library. Keith Cottam, former director of the University of Wyoming Libraries was a planner for the 2001 institute, but was replaced in 2002 by Karen Lange. Dale Collum was added to the committee in 2002.
Following the second year's Institute a reunion/refresher/strategic planning session was held in Lander. All LLI graduates were invited to attend. With the assistance of a consultant, and following a unanimous vote to continue the Institute, plans were laid for future Institutes. Three committees were formed: planning, application, and alumni. In 2003 the Carol McMurry Library Endowment awarded funding for another two years of the Institute.
Former LLI planner, Chris Van Burgh, is very proud of the Library Leadership Institute. She explained, "I think this is a great program, and it needs to be continued. We have brought together this group of interested and dedicated people. As a state we need to utilize their leadership skills, commitment and enthusiasm. It will be wonderful if we can continue the leadership institute, as it will bring more participants together, instruct leadership skills and foster a sense of community and confidence."


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Venture RV Debuts SportTrek Toy Hauler Trailer
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Lightweight travel trailer builder Venture RV, a division of Shipshewana, Ind.-based KZRV LP, announced its expansion into the toy hauler market.
"With the success of the SportTrek lightweight travel trailers, I have several dealer partners requesting us to build a lightweight travel trailer toy hauler," said Dave Boggs, director of marketing and sales. "We have taken one of the best-selling floorplans and engineered it even better."
The SportTrek toy hauler floorplan increases livability with a "new to the industry" murphy bed which includes a Comfort By Design sofa. Other standards include an enclosed underbelly, three-burner stovetop, oven, microwave, large U-shaped dinette and a nearly 10-foot separate garage area.
The new ST300VTH weighs 6,300 pounds and with an MSRP starting at $28,500 nicely appointed.
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008
Thank-You Pierre
Stephen Harper, and his merry band of stooges, are the last people to be front and center, offering the formal apology. Let's cut through the pretense and the pretty words today, Harper doesn't give a shit about our aborginal population, in truth they have a great deal of contempt for the entire arrangement. Pierre just articulated the bottomline, beyond the presentation.
Actions speak louder than carefully crafted words, with just the right hint of staged empathy. That isn't to say the apology isn't genuine, only that the source is entirely conflicted. What exactly has this government done for aborginals, besides kill the Kelowna Accord, fail to follow through at the United Nations, basically bring nothing to the table, demonstrating ZERO sensitivity or true understanding.
What kind of a creton asks if we are getting "value" for the compensation money, on a day that was supposed to be about healing. And, was I the only one who noticed the homophobe Lukwski directly behind the PM as he offered his sober apology. Chuck Strahl, this government's Minister of Indian Affairs, is hardly a friend of aborginals.
I'd like to thank Pierre, because in essence, his insensitive comments, that demonstrate no understanding of anything, offer a lovely reality check to the show we say today. The message was powerful, but it was really just scripted lip service from the messenger. Poilievre demonstrated that in spades.
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- Harold said...
There was a recent study done on Paul Martin's Billion dollar handout to the provinces with no strings attached to "fix medicare for a generation". It basically found that the money was being used for day to day expenditures and nothing had changed. In other words throwing money at a problem doesn't change things.(This always comes as a surprise to liberals and other left-wingers.)
Kelowna accord - the same uninspired money throw-away by Paul Martin. But let's cut through the pretense and the pretty words today, Liberals doesn't give a shit about taxpayer's money. And let's not even talk about adscam.
- 11:04 PM, June 11, 2008
- Steve V said...
Thanks for proving my point.
- 11:10 PM, June 11, 2008
- harold said...
Kelowna was non-sense, throwing money at any problem, without a plan, is a recipe for failure. Good intentions mean diddly squat. By all means, let's improve the aboriginal's lot - but it doesn't mean throwing money around. Really is that still a contentious proposition Steve? If it is you Liberals are worse off than I thought.
The Conservatives will make more headway with resolving the aboriginals plight than the Liberals ever did. By the way, Pierre Trudeau was the biggest backer of aboriginal assimilation of any Canadian politician in Canadian history. He and his policies were anti-Indian.
- 11:27 PM, June 11, 2008
- Steve V said...
Oh, just go away. You're a bore.
- 11:27 PM, June 11, 2008
- JimmE said...
Dude, you guys really, really have to tell me, what flavour is EFFing Blue Kool-aid?
I mean you guys drink so Effing much of it I just gatta know.
- 12:15 AM, June 12, 2008
- Gayle said...
"Throwing money at a problem..."
I see that all the time in my line of work. It is what lazy governments who do not care about results do - all ALL governments are lazy.
It is not about the amount of money given - it is about ensuring that money goes where it is needed - and it is needed.
For example, Alberta just announced a huge funding increase to address FASD. Almost all of that money will be spent on bureaucrats in offices trying to decide what should be done. Meanwhile children and youth who are afflicted with FASD will still be living on the streets because there is not enough money to ensure they have a home to go to - and yes, sadly, there are too many Aboriginal children who are afflicted with FASD.
You can point your finger at aboriginal band heirarchy and accuse them of misusing the money to which they are entitled, but that type of misuse is systemic over all levels of government, no matter which party is in power.
If you want real results you have to cut the bullshit, stop playing politics, stop looking for "quantifiable results" within a time period where they simply cannot be achieved, and do something proactive and positive.
Pointing at corruption at the administrative level as a justification to abdicate our responsibility to these people is weak, sad, pathetic and cowardly.
- 12:33 AM, June 12, 2008
- Gayle said...
Oh, and Poilievre is a fucking weasel who is too stupid to see that he is being used as a stooge by Harper to do his dirty work for him.
"Don't worry base, we are not abandoning our so-con right wing ideology just because we are issuing an apology"...
If all goes wrong, Poilievre can take the fall.
(sorry for the language Steve, but I kind of feel strongly about this...)
- 12:36 AM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
The article is a second hand review of Poilievre's remarks. In the actual interview, I did not get the impression that he resented the money being spent -- more that he regretted that despite the money available the problems are still rampant. He expressed a desire that more dollars could go into the hands of individuals -- rather than being controlled by the chiefs. He also regretted the lack of human rights legislation for aboriginals. I think CTV's account of this is misleading. I also think it was rather tasteless to broadcast it in the context of the apology and to try to link these two things. Of course, Polivere was interviewed about native issues because of the apology happening today, but the discussion did not focus exclusively on this, but rather on broader questions. I think most Canadians -- had they heard the whole discussion -- would agree with many of his comments.
- 1:20 AM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
Shame on Poilievre, for being stupid, at a minimum, an ass, more likely. Bur shame, too, I must say, on you. I've trawled both Liblogs and the Blogging Tories and have been depressed by the silence or gotcha treatment of this historical day. Mssrs Harper and Dion, especially, BOTH rose to the occasion; it would be nice if the rest of us could exhibit humility, if not due respect, in treating this sad, but also dignified and hopeful day.
I was proud to be a Canadian today. Harper did a good job. The oft-dubbed robot scarcely staved off tears. M. Dion was likewise emphatic, frank, sincere and moving. It was a rare day of dignified statesmanship in the House. Mr Poilievre may well be a jerk; let's not reduce the day to similar partisan jerkiness.
It's worth noting that none of the four, unprecedented, Aboriginal respondents in the House came anywhere close to doing so.
Anyhow... an observation and plea offered in good faith.
- 1:46 AM, June 12, 2008
- Gayle said...
The problem with what you are saying anon is this:
"My view is that we need to engender the values of hard work and independence and self reliance. That's the solution in the long run - more money will not solve it."
There is no way you can spin those words.
- 1:48 AM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
The problem Gayle is I'm wondering if on this day of all days--with all the suffering and courage and hurt and shame it entails; with Dion boldly and with his voice cracking acknowledging the LPC's role, as the default government of the past century, in this tragedy, with Harper stating simply what these schools were about, all the harm they did, all the ways they were wrong--we could actually think in terms other than spin. There were people on the floor of the House today who have suffered what no one should--I saw three party leaders, yes, you too Jack, who were moved and humbled by the burden a shameful history had laid upon them, who knew this was about something much more important than a pissing contest.....
That's all I'm saying. If the usually ignobly hyper-partisan leaders of the House can rise to the occasion, why need we become, or for petty partisan reasons fixate upon, the likes of Mssrs Duceppe or Poilivre.
- 2:00 AM, June 12, 2008
- Gayle said...
My post was not directed to you DMD. It was directed to anon.
And while I do take your point, I am also not about to give Poilievre a pass just because he decided to demonstrate his bigotry on the same day the rest of the nation was acknowledging the great harm we did to our First Nations people.
I will not ignore racism - I will call it out. I do not think that makes me a partisan.
- 2:06 AM, June 12, 2008
- Eric said...
"Stephen Harper, and his merry band of stooges, are the last people to be front and center, offering the formal apology"
I couldn't agree more, Steve!
Let's look at the Liberals who SHOULD have stopped this racist program and offered a formal apology:
1. William Lyon Mackenzie King (1921 - 1930) - no apology
2. William Lyon Mackenzie King (1935 - 1949) - no apology
3. Louis St-Laurent (1949 -1957) - no apology
4. Lester Pearson (1963 - 1968) - no apology
5. Pierre Trudeau (1968 -1979) - no apology
6. Pierre Trudeau (1980 - 1984) - no apology
7. Jean Chrétien (1993 - 2004) - no apology
8. Paul Martin (2004 - 2006) - no apology
In bold all the prime ministers that were fully aware of another Holocaust, and the implications this example of genocide could have for Canada's solution to the "Indian problem". Unfortunately Conservatives and Liberals in those successive governments appeared to have learned very little from the ever famous Nuremburg trials (1940s).
Did you know that the last residential school closed only in 1998? Yes, that is indeed only ten years ago. Unbelievable, isn't it?
Shame on you, you Liberal Party lovers, for your continuous support for these racist programs, decade after decade. And you dare to criticize the other (the lovely Conservatives) for doing nothing? Hypocrites! Shame on you!
Today, June 11th 2008, has been pitched as a day forward, and I agree. But lest we forget: it was the Conservatives and the Liberals (in cooperation with their holier than holy churches; god forgive them) that turned the Indian Problem into the genocide of Canada's aboriginal peoples.
And that's a crime against humanity if you ask me.
- 3:21 AM, June 12, 2008
- Koby said...
>>>> "Indian problem". Unfortunately Conservatives and Liberals in those successive governments appeared to have learned very little from the ever famous Nuremburg trials (1940s).
The forced assimilation of a 150,000 native children over a 128 year period is not the same the murder of of 6 million in 6 years. And yes the last school was closed only in 1998. However the number of children attended residential schools after 1969 was minimal and there was no longer forced assimilation going on was the last school closed.
Now, does this mean that residential schools are not a blot on Canada's history? Of course not. The residential school was system was a travesty and rightly apologized for.
As for Poilievere comments, sure they were simply more small minded conservative self-reliance crap and sure his timing was awful. He could not have picked a worse time to spout off. However, Poilievre is right about one thing. The reserve system, premised as it is on the notion of native rights, is a bureaucratic, fiscal, legal, intellectual and sociological abortion that does nothing save waste mountains of money, breed corruption and poverty, instill in the native community a vile sense of identity based on "blood" and breed racism in the Canadian society at large. Hell, if Harper promised to abolish native rights and privatize communal land holdings, I would vote for him. Well maybe.
- 4:08 AM, June 12, 2008
- RuralSandi said...
Well, Dion apologized for the Liberal government roles in this - Harper did not apologize for the Conservatives role in this. We're waiting for that Harper.
Perhaps people should take the time to read up on this - it's an eye-opener.
Blame the Liberals for everything? Enough already - it was everyone from 1840. Actually, I blame the British and the churches.
Everyone trusted churches in the old days and we know abuses were "hidden" even in recent times.
The blame game is over. Time to move on - that's what the First Nations want - why don't you at least let them have that.
Since when is it Harper's apology? It's suppose to be the apology of "all Canadians" - Harper doing it on our behalf. This is NOT about Harper.
There are no excuses in the world for Polievre - he's got 364 other days a year to be nasty and partisan - he can't let up for "ONE" day? And, nothing happens without Harper not knowing about it.
- 8:25 AM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
Harold's right about Trudeau.
- 8:29 AM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
Yep...an apology from the Canadian people in the HOC's, from a very moved Prime Minister. An apology from a very eloquent Opposition Leader on behalf of his party, past and present. Another touching and moving apology from the man the PM gave alot of credit for, Jack Layton and the NDP...and you morons turn it into a me versus you thing. Read these comments and you'll understand why Aborginals dont stand a chance in this country. And Gayle...for a person thats against spin and rhetoric you sure know how to let it fly. billg
- 8:52 AM, June 12, 2008
- Steve V said...
"from a very moved Prime Minister."
Yes, he is so moved by aborginal issues, he puts Strahl, with his controversial comments, at the helm. Pierre just gave us the real story.
Oh, and just to get this out of the political arena, with all this hypocrisy, Trudeau this, MacKenzie that crap, this government finally did something bs, get back to me next election and let's see how many aborginals flock to the Con candidates. Exactly, that says it all about relative "caring".
- 9:22 AM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
Gayle: The problem with what you are saying anon is this:
"My view is that we need to engender the values of hard work and independence and self reliance. That's the solution in the long run - more money will not solve it."
Well, Gayle, I think that this comment reveals your own paternalistic attitude towards Native people. Pollivere's words might apply to all of us. In general people thrive on hard work, independence and self reliance. That has not been the philosophy that Canada has espoused in its treatment of Native people. It would be foolish to ignore the real problems that need to be solved here. The government obviously has a role to play in helping to resolve those problems, since the government has had a role in creating them – it's called being an enabler. The GoC has so far fostered either assimilation or dependence among Native people. So far we have not got it right. Pollivere (like others) is at least looking for a solution. Natives have been seriously marginalized and do not have the same opportunities as others for work and self-reliance. I believe that Pollivere's intention was to suggest that with greater independence, autonomy and self-reliance, Natives would do far better than they appear to be doing under the current system. What do you suggest?
(LS: The original anon)
- 9:27 AM, June 12, 2008
- RuralSandi said...
If Harper was so sincere - why was he so partisan about it?
He didn't even mention Gerry Merasty, a native and former Liberal MP - who put the Motion to the House is March 2006 - that same motion approved by all in the House - for the apology.
It was because he was Liberal - the fact that he is a native didn't even matter to Harper - the guy was a former Liberal and for that he should go to the woodshed.
Harper didn't even mention that this whole thing has been part of a process that began in "2005".
Harper makes me sick - he didn't even have the guts or heart to thank Gerry Merasty - shame on him.
- 9:29 AM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
Like I said Steve V...morons.
No matter what the issue is, find a way to spin it to your advantage, because as we all know, its not the issue that matters, its how to use it. Attitudes like yours are why Aboriginals are doomed. billg
- 9:32 AM, June 12, 2008
- Steve V said...
Oh bill, I take your moron comment seriously, because you obviously have personal expertise on what constitutes one. You see one everyday in the morning when you shave.
You guys are a joke on aboriginal issues, always have been, always will. Your solutions are beyond simplistic, and really it has nothing to do with empathy, its all about MONEY, so spare me the FAKE concerns.
BTW, which party has 3 aborginal MP's, and ran three times the amount of aborginal candidates in the 2006 election? Why aren't aborginals flocking to the party that wants to "get the job done"? Like I said, that cuts through all this bullshit SPIN your pitching.
- 9:42 AM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
Native culture teaches about our connection to each other, the earth and the spiritual world. The Conservatives have obviously embraced these lessons and could never practise the old politics again. Oh wait, I was dreaming!
- 9:55 AM, June 12, 2008
- RuralSandi said...
The history in this regard is altogether epic—detailed in years of official press releases, program announcements, settlements and speeches.
On the seventh day of 1998, the Chrétien government delivered a formal "statement of reconciliation" to residential school students and established the Aboriginal Healing Foundation. "The Government of Canada acknowledges the role it played in the development and administration of these schools," explained Indian Affairs Minister Jane Stewart in that statement. "To those of you who suffered this tragedy at residential schools, we are deeply sorry."
Three years later, the Department of Indian Residential Schools Resolution Canada was created. The IRSRC introduced the National Resolution Framework, which included the Alternative Dispute Resolution program.
"Addressing the legacy of over 100 years of residential schools is one of the most challenging areas for our renewal and reconciliation as a nation," declared Indian Affairs Minister Denis Coderre in April 2004. "However, we must continue to address our collective past because our future as a just and inclusive nation relies on it."
In May 2005, the government signed a "Political Agreement" with the Assembly of First Nations. Six months later, Frank Iacobucci, the "Government's Representative," reached an "Agreement in Principle" that set aside $1.9-billion "for the direct benefit of former Indian residential school students."
A year later, the Harper government approved a settlement agreement, proposed a Common Experience Payment, an Independent Assessment Process and a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, and launched an Advance Payment program. "The government," confirmed Indian Affairs Minister Jim Prentice, "recognizes the sad legacy of Indian residential schools."
A year after that, the House of Commons, by a vote of 257-0, adopted a Liberal motion that moved "that this House apologize to the survivors of Indian Residential Schools for the trauma they suffered as a result of policies intended to assimilate First Nations, Inuit, Metis children, causing the loss of aboriginal culture, heritage and language, while also leaving a sad legacy of emotional, physical and sexual abuse."
"The position of the executive branch of government is a separate issue," cautioned Prentice at the time. But then in last fall's throne speech the Prime Minister promised "to make a statement of apology to close this sad chapter in our history."
This May, the government set aside this date for that apology. The promised truth and reconciliation commission, under the stewardship of Justice Harry S. LaForme, was declared operational on June 1. And a decade after Jane Stewart said sorry, here we found ourselves.
...this is from Aaron Wherry's blog - Macleans - The Commons.
I suggest all read it.
- 10:18 AM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
Um Steve V...I never commented about the Aboriginal issue, I've not shared how I think the problem should be resolved and dont for one minute think that either Conservative or Liberals have the answer..because history has proven other wise. My point was simple and you've proven it with your mindless nattering, that, when this issue becomes partisan noise, which if you read these comments it has, then, only one group of people suffer, and its not you. I've lived in Kenora and I do not for one minute pretend to have the answers, but, I had hoped that yesterday would be a start, but, people like you bring the debate down to its lowest level of "my guy's better then your guy" crap. Mr Dion impressed the hell out of my yesterday, because he ruffled feathers in admitting past guilt, that to me was the biggest step. Oh ya...Steve V..feel free to throw in a "bush-like" comment as well..those are always original.
- 10:22 AM, June 12, 2008
- Steve V said...
"I've lived in Kenora"
Did you watch Dancing With Wolves too?
- 10:30 AM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
No...but I know why they re-built the side walks 42 inches higher then the road way in Kenora, I know why the parks in Keewatin are restricted, and, I know why freezers are sold with the lids seperately. How much lower can you bring the debate Steve V?
- 10:37 AM, June 12, 2008
- Steve V said...
Bill, in case you haven't noticed, I'm not interested in "debating". You guys are a waste of time, mocking is about all I can offer. Feel free to go somewhere else, I can't take you seriously.
- 10:39 AM, June 12, 2008
- Jim said...
Pierre was right, and it is about time someone said it.
I am voting conservative next time.
- 10:52 AM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
Yes I have noticed that about your debate skills, and, its the main reason why Aboriginals are stuck with "same old same old"...too many people just dont care.
- 11:00 AM, June 12, 2008
- Gayle said...
"Read these comments and you'll understand why Aborginals dont stand a chance in this country. And Gayle...for a person thats against spin and rhetoric you sure know how to let it fly. billg"
Yeah, sure - it is amusing to see you get all holier than thou about rhetoric, and partisan shots - and then end with a gratuitou cheap personal attack.
What a raging hypocrite you are.
I am loving how so many people suddenly think it is appalling to comment on Poilievre's racism, on a day that was dedicated to apologizing for the biggest example of institutionalized racism in this country.
Guess what people - Poilevre is a disgusting little man who made even more disgusting little comments. To suggest we should brush those comments under the carpet in the name of "reconciliation" and "non-partisanship" says a lot about you.
Poilievre did not appear on the radio as a non-partisan. He spoke as a Member of Parliament and as a representative of the CPC.
- 11:17 AM, June 12, 2008
- Gayle said...
"Well, Gayle, I think that this comment reveals your own paternalistic attitude towards Native people. Pollivere's words might apply to all of us. In general people thrive on hard work, independence and self reliance. That has not been the philosophy that Canada has espoused in its treatment of Native people. It would be foolish to ignore the real problems that need to be solved here. The government obviously has a role to play in helping to resolve those problems, since the government has had a role in creating them – it's called being an enabler."
What is patronizing is suggesting there is something wrong with the value system of Aboriginal people, and that they could benefit from "our" value system.
The "real problem" is not that Aboriginals do not share the Protestant work ethic.
Systemic, institutionalized, multi-generational racism...
Do not point fingers and a whole class of people and suggest they, and the government, work this out. The first step would be for the rest of the country to recognize their own racism and stop demanding the Aboriginal people do something to change that racist perspective.
Take some responsibility for your own actions and own role in all this.
- 11:21 AM, June 12, 2008
- Steve V said...
Oops, looks like Pierre was forced to issue a "clarification". The PMO doesn't take kindly to people expressing their real opinion:
"After the uproar surrounding his comments, Poilievre tried to clarify his position in a statement late Wednesday:
"I stated that aboriginals deserve protection under Canada's human rights laws and that the record dollars that the government is spending on aboriginals should reach the people in need,'' the e-mailed statement said.
"I agree with the prime minister when he said ... the treatment of children in Indian residential schools is a sad chapter in our history.
"Today we recognize that this policy of assimilation was wrong, has caused great harm, and has no place in our country.''
- 11:27 AM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
Oh for God's sake Gayle..Pierre is no different then the famous "Rat Pack" way back when..you remember, the ones who sang Oh Canada for hours because the GST would destroy Canada. Besides, I dont even know what Pipsqueek Pierre said...cuz it doesnt matter. How does what an MP says on a radio show damper what happened yesterday in the HOC's? Unless of course...gasp...the light shone a little to brightly on the guy you people hate the most, so, lets figure out a way to dull that spot light a little. Yesterday was a great day with all 3 major party leaders at their best, and, if you've read any of my previous comments you'll know that I've written before that if Harper is serious about a majority he's got to put a muzzle on little Pierre, but, it still doesnt damper yesterday, unless of course your a rhetorical partisan windbag. As the great John Prine once said.."quit wishing for bad luck and knockin' on wood" billg
- 11:29 AM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
Thank you...that would be the muzzle I was just talking about.
- 11:31 AM, June 12, 2008
- Steve V said...
You're forgetting that it's Harper that voluntarily elevated Pierre to the frontlines. When you say Harper should muzzle him, it's sort of strange, considering he's the guy who let the puppy out of the yard. Harper wanted the mean-spirited, uber-conservative, out there, so it's really more a reflection on his bad judgement, or real attitudes, than about Pierre. Ditto for Strahl at Aborginal Affairs.
- 11:36 AM, June 12, 2008
- Gayle said...
"Pierre is no different then the famous "Rat Pack" way back when..."
Really? Do you have any quoes from them where they expressed such racism as Poilievre did yesterday? There is no comparison,
"Unless of course...gasp...the light shone a little to brightly on the guy you people hate the most, so, lets figure out a way to dull that spot light a little."
So now we get to what you are really talking about. Chasitcing us for partisan politics when your real concner is that you did not want this particular raxcist CPC MP to overshadow Harper's big moment.
Except, as it has already been pointed out on this blog, Harper spoke for all of us. It was not HIS moment...it was ours.
- 11:44 AM, June 12, 2008
- Gayle said...
umm "chastising"
- 11:45 AM, June 12, 2008
- Gayle said...
Clearly I need to proof read before I post
- 11:46 AM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
Steve V...your right. Polievierre or however you spell his name is an obnoxious mouth piece...he's young...and got his wings clipped a little today, he should not be out in front of camera's and mike's until he gains a little humility...I would imagine the 2 minute call from Stevey this morning might humble him a bit. I dont know that much about Strahl..I just cant seem to remember a great IA Minister.
- 11:50 AM, June 12, 2008
- Steve V said...
So now we get to what you are really talking about. Chastising us for partisan politics when your real concern is that you did not want this particular rascist CPC MP to overshadow Harper's big moment."
It's not our fault, that some candid comments from one of Harper's racist MP's distracts from the scripted speech. And, that's why they're all in a tizzy, because yesterday was supposed to be Harper's chance to shine. The criticism of those that point to Pierre comes from a partisan consideration, which is ironic given the higher ground nonsense.
Like I said in my post, I wasn't going to take shots, because the issue overrides the messenger, but then Pierre comes out and it just brings you back to what these people really think of Aborginals, poignant soliquoy's aside.
- 11:56 AM, June 12, 2008
- Steve V said...
"your right. Polievierre or however you spell his name"
That's why I call him Pierre most of the time :)
- 11:57 AM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
Well Gayle..it was his moment, and, that clearly is the issue with you. To most of us, we know that this started along time ago, and, that alot of the credit belongs with Mr Chretien and Mr Layton, but, politics being what it is..too bad so sad. Mr Chretien rode the GST to deficit reduction and good economical stewardship...much to the howl's of Conservatives..too bad so sad. Mr Harper reeped the benefits yesterday of IA ministers and PM's before him...its just the way it is Gayle. Optics baby...optics!!
- 12:00 PM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
I dont get all messed up over what back benchers say Steve V...god my MP is Cheryl Gallant..imagine how many times I cringe when she speaks without script?? But, she's a great MP and has learnt to sush it and to keep her heart felt beliefs to herself. And she has learned that because a thousand people like me have said to her that I'd rather vote Conservative, but, if you go all nutty religious/abortion/gay marriage on me then I'm outa here. So excuse me if I sounded higher then thow..I just dont listen much to Pierre...he wants to be more then he is..and he's just not ready yet.
- 12:07 PM, June 12, 2008
- Steve V said...
That's fine, but just don't criticize anyone for happening to notice what Pierre said, it's entirely relevant to the entire question.
- 12:11 PM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
How so SteveV? If your saying that Poliviere was somehow speaking for the party then what about the Liberal MPs who have spoken out against gay marriage, or the HRC's, safe injection sites, Afghanastan, Immigration..and so on and so on. Unless it comes from a Minister or from the PM then yes it is irrelevant. Saying that it is only sets up the next MP..and soon enough we get MP's who answer questions like athletes. billg
- 12:29 PM, June 12, 2008
- 900 ft Jesus said...
gayle said: "I will not ignore racism - I will call it out. I do not think that makes me a partisan.
right on. And Poilievre's statement was racist. True also that Harper & CPC can't claim no connection to P.P.'s comments since Harper has been appointing him as front barker and ankle biter hyena for the party.
Pierre might have to go back on the training/choker leash for a bit, though.
- 12:33 PM, June 12, 2008
- Gayle said...
"Well Gayle..it was his moment, and, that clearly is the issue with you."
Really. How "clear" is that?
Stop projecting, stop making this about me.
It is about Poilievre, the slimy little racist.
- 1:13 PM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
Gayle –
I hear what you are saying about Polivere being racist and I think you are colossally ignorant and hide-bound by political correctness. NOTHING in what Polivere said could be construed as "racist" – it is YOU who have read racism into his remarks. I think your perceptions are vitriolic and hateful.
"There is something wrong with the value system of Aboriginal people, and that they could benefit from "our" value system." Polivere never said there was something "wrong" with the Native value system. Hard work and self-reliance are NOT the "white folks" value system. I would have great difficulty identifying any people in this world who do not have hard work and self-reliance as a core value. Societies rot if they do not feel self-reliant and independent. We are NOT talking about "getting ahead" or screwing the other guy – this is about the pride of a people. Native people have been badly abused in this society and to castigate someone who is looking for real solutions (limited as they may be) is narrow-minded and destructive. Since we have had a hand in destroying Native culture, it is incumbent upon us to help seek solutions. Actually, I think this is something that Native people and Canadians must do together. I will remind you that Polivere is a local politician and he was being interviewed on a local radio program about aboriginal issues because of the significance of the day. His comments were wide-ranging . . . most worth thinking about. I think your perceptions are very out-of-date – reflecting 50's thinking. You must be a real geezer.
- 5:05 PM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
"If Harper was so sincere - why was he so partisan about it?
He didn't even mention Gerry Merasty, a native and former Liberal MP - who put the Motion to the House is March 2006 - that same motion approved by all in the House - for the apology."
This may have been an oversight, but I don't think it was partisanship. My understanding was that Harper insisted that Paul Martin be by his side because the initiative was started under Martin's tenure. He also acknowledged Jack Layton's contribution. Really, I don't think anyone was partisan about this.
Lots of partisanship on this board though -- no wonder why we can't solve human problems with everyone being so suspicious and angry at "the other".
- 5:10 PM, June 12, 2008
- Gayle said...
"I hear what you are saying about Polivere being racist and I think you are colossally ignorant and hide-bound by political correctness."
How nice for you.
- 6:09 PM, June 12, 2008
- Steve V said...
Nothing he said was racist? What about the work ethic comment? Get your head out of you partisan ass for a second.
- 6:56 PM, June 12, 2008
- Gayle said...
Steve, you don't understand.
He didn't say it. He implied it - and now you are inferring it.
But he didn't say it...
- 7:23 PM, June 12, 2008
- Steve V said...
Oh, the verbal gymnastics of a Cons supporter. It's so tiresome, it's like you have to lose all common sense and perception.
- 7:53 PM, June 12, 2008
- Anonymous said...
Gayle and Steve V --
I guess what I am trying to get at is that it is not the remarks themselves that are racist, but the context in which you choose to view them. I doubt very much that Polivere is racist. Most of the racism against natives that I have witnessed comes from people who live in communities where there are nearby native communities . . . and where racism is a manifestation of fear -- not rational. I used to live in Winnepeg's North End, and I witnessed racism there. Polivere comes from a suburb of Ottawa. That might make him naive -- but it is not likely he is racist. (He might be, but I don't think we can conclude this from just this comment. Bigotry in Ottawa tends to be anti-Francophone, or anti-Anglo, and these days some anti-Muslim).
I also think that you are really reading a lot into the "hard work" comment. I think that Polivere stumbled on a "hot button" expression -- but I think his head was into the question of what sorts of policies are best to deal with Native issues -- rather than "this is what's wrong with Natives." Actually I have heard many most definitely not racist people voice the same thought. Unfortunately for him, a lot of people took the remark in the wrong way.
I get upset with what I perceive to be knee-jerk political correctness because I think it is a way of circumventing and avoiding dealing with problem areas. It is true that a lot of Natives (for many complex reasons) do not have meaningful work -- and many would, I am sure greatly value more opportunity for creating something through work. (This is a human value -- I don't think that Protestants own it.) The point is, it is imperative to look at solutions beyond money -- "Throw money at the problem" -- now that is the "white guys" distorted value system.
- 10:25 PM, June 12, 2008
- Steve V said...
"I guess what I am trying to get at is that it is not the remarks themselves that are racist, but the context in which you choose to view them."
Sorry, I think you are the one with the viewing lens of your choosing, question native work ethic is cut and dry. Pierre is a nasty piece of work, you want to excuse him, then fine, but what he said actually fits very nicely with his whole schtick. It's not about political correctness, we need to have a discussion, but this guy isn't who we should be listening too, it comes from a different place, it's COLD.
- 11:14 PM, June 12, 2008
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Steve V --
Well I heard the interview and did not hear him "question native work ethic." I agree that we both are viewing the incident through our own subjective lens (hard to avoid, is it not?) Don't know about Pierre being a "nasty piece of work." I have not heard that before. I simply took his reference to "hard work" as an attempt to grapple with solutions and did not interpret them as a racist slur. If you have previous evidence that he is racist -- well then, our interpretations of this will be different.
- 12:05 AM, June 13, 2008
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If you want to offer yourself as his apologist, go ahead.
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|2011-08-26, 05:21
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Sir, I was not worried about you at all, not buying the game. You seem very devoted. Yea... EX was not not that hard to get, mm I think it's about popularity more than anything else. A flagship Key game will definitely get the go from most hobby sites that ship outside Japan I think. Kud Wafter I could not get though without having to use a shipping site... (I really wanted to get Candyheart too without jumping through some loops... so it was nice when Rewrite was everywhere so I could even do some comparison shopping!)
Well the sales dropped, that's a fact. There's stuff out there that wasn't affected by the economy or the disaster, whether one likes it or not. If you choose to think that (Not necessarily you, Klashikari) the economy and situation hurt it's sales dramatically, that's fine, I respect that. Personally just seeing Oreimo have the same sales numbers makes it very hard for me to believe that. It's way too easy to say it's just those things. But... I guess we're in agreement. (How come we suck at communicating with eachother so much? I pretty much agree with everything you say critically about Rewrite.) Chuuni and Maeda missing are issues that I've seen get brought up a lot. Personally Maeda missing doesn't bother me much, I didn't like Rin's route a whole lot and Angel Beats made me "Wah?", after reading Terra though, I for sure miss him writing the main route and general structure of the storyline.
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|2011-08-26, 08:25
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I wasn't trying to argue this before but...
Now that I think about it there's plenty of things that "Moe anime" like oreimo have in common with galges. Lest you guys forget, Oreimo is based on a middle school girl who is hooked on eroge. Oreimo has tons of easter eggs for the avid eroge/galge player. I know don't how much more crossover you need. Man, I completely forgot what Oreimo was about, you guys are fricken nuts if you don't think there's a hell of a lot of crossover. The G in G's magazine stands for games and gals, there are tons of anime these days that just focus on the "gals". It's really not that different from galges.
The voice actors have a lot of cross overs. The VA for the main heroines of Air/Kanon/Clannad are all also big names in the anime VA business. Just the fact that they can make anime out of visual novels says that there is crossover interest from the audiences. The visual style is proof of crossover. I don't know about you, but all the anime I watch features a cast that consists overwhemlingly of "cute girls" much like the galge I play. Even though I wasn't trying to argue this before, Oreimo, especially has a lot of crossover. Galge about schoolgirls, anime about schoolgirls, flip through a Dengeki G's Magazine, and tell me that Eroge/Galge aren't marketed to the same people as those who watch "GalAni", "Gal Anime", "Moe Anime", or whatever the hell you want to call it.
If your image of anime is Naruto and Bleach, and gory Seinen titles, then I can't blame you, because that's almost the only thing that gets shown outside of Asia on semi-mainstream TV, I know this is especially true in the states. But if you flip through the magazines that advertise for a galge like Rewrite, you almost always find tons of anime, especially of the Oreimo "type". Or even if you just click on all of the most popular downloaded anime on Animesuki, you'll find a ton of anime that is radically different anime, that most would be labeled "Moe", that has a majority of "gals" as the cast. My image of anime is pretty much all the anime that gets advertised in something like Dengeki G's, so I don't see much different between the anime that I watch vs the galge's I play.
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Oreimo is definitely aimed at the 18+ male crowd. It's a celebration of otaku subculture, particularly galge, although a TV broadcast does allow for much greater exposure.
My gut feeling is that the otaku market is among the least likely to be affected by the earthquake (if only because its consumers tend to be less concerned about planning ahead). However, we'd need a lot of data on otaku spending before and after the earthquake to know for sure.
|2011-08-28, 23:32
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I read Rewrite had best sales for month of June for PC games (according to PC press). I would love to see a cumulative report on sales though. I also have to say lower sales are due to people missing Maeda. They saw that countless times in his writing efforts and found that they would not be there in this game. Most probably decided it wasn't worth it. Also maybe people aren't buying into them as much. But I would have to say it is because Maeda is MIA. Or unless the genre was known to be vastly different turned heads away too. Who knows unless we could construct a poll on a major site asking why fans didn't buy into it.
I think it is better to compare sales of a visual novel that was sold in the same time frame of this year. Why are we comparing anime titles? PC is a niche market and have smaller sales to DVDs in general. End.
I wonder how Type-Moon's newest game will sell if it comes out 2011.
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Generally, it's also untrue that PC games sell much less than late night anime. They're both extremely niche, with 10,000 copies often cited as a yardstick for success.
Nevertheless, the markets are vastly different in some sense (i.e. PC game = blind buy + one time purchase, anime DVD = for hardcore collectors predisposed to spending tons of money), so without thorough sales data, we can't necessarily say if the state of one market reflects the other.
Maybe there's just some surprise because AIR and Clannad towered above the competition at the time, whereas the numbers for Little Busters! and Rewrite are fairly typical for big hits of their respective years (which isn't abnormal. Following a boom, momentum dies down over time).
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Reread some of our recent discussions on Rewrite. John you made a really good point about the thing in Lucia's route that I was really caught up about:
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Back to the point at hand, are the Oreimo sales enough proof to say the quake didn't affect the sales? No. But it is enough proof to show that the quake isn't the only reason that sales are down IMO.
This whole thing was a misunderstanding though, as Klashikari later cleared up that he did believe there were other factors outside of the quake and economy that impacted sales and I had misread his initial post wrong. (In my defense though, I think it is as easy to misunderstand Klashikari's post as it is to understand mine if you read them in their entirety .)
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I do believe at some level that sales don't matter to the overall impression of a game (or book, or whatever media). At least, that's what I think. It wasn't bad, and if sales proved that many Japanese (the intended audience) didn't like it, then that's that. Niche is niche.
How the sales factor into their next project is not something I would speculate hard about. If they try a different direction again, or return to their roots, well, I'll be there to try it out. Personally, Rewrite is so last season already for me... Although Journey from the soundtrack (finally is in my office desktop's shuffle list, and so for me the game actually made a significant enough impact to treasure. (I won't think about the fact that it was a Maeda composition I finally picked out)
On another note, Klash, I just noticed your avatar is now of that maid girl from Noble Works, I hate to say it, but she was the worst, in my opinion, of the five (or six, but obligatory extra H scene don't count)in terms of novelty of story. Wouldn't Akari have been better?
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I personally liked the rewrite when i treated as a novel not done by Maeda. The overall way it turned out wasnt too different from what I expected in terms of how each author developed the plot for each of the heroines.(I could easily predict the division of the characters when even slightly into the route~especially for Lucia, Chihaya, and Akane) The main comment I have on this is that it seems like a novel that actual needs to be read carefully and pondered about. It obviously isnt as raw or simplistic in its appeal in comparison to Key's previous powerful pieces, but it still holds plenty of value in my opinion. Speed reading in 12 hours or skipping a story line or such seems to really detract from it in my opinion. You really have to read it slowly(i spent like a week per each arc....and i mean a lot of time per day for it...around 2-14 hours a day, averaging around ~6-7ish per day?). I tried to pay attention to the various intricate parts of the overall world and had to reread parts that had just happened along with the parts from longer ago(along with visiting minor choice differences-light the slight changes from reinforcing different parts which were practically negligible other than some line changes). I felt like this was more along the lines of a ryukishi07 novel in the sense that you had to think a lot in it to really enjoy it. (not to say I didn't enjoy some of the nice emotional scenes) Skipping(or skimming) over the scenes that describe the world though, in my opinion, really cheapens your view of how the world is setup(setting), the plot, and even the heroines story lines. I also believe that you have to be more reflective of the novel as if you could be in it in a sense. Another way to say it is think about some of the main problems in retrospect to the world. The clearest example is that is the with the (no duh) environmental problems. Thinking of the story in retrospect to these seems to bring out lots of interesting things you can assume about the plot on top of what is presented to create a more complete vision of the story. (on top of being meta brain food? or something like that)
This isnt to say that I love the novel to the extent of previous key titles. I was expecting something a bit more....consistent than the very divided result. It did though, in my opinion do plenty better in some aspects and worse in others compared to the previous key novels.
The main complaints though about the divided storylines i've seen here (and dont just think that people dont completely read the posts....as I did for a few hours....) is mainly on questioning ambiguous parts of the plot that are either meant to be at that level(like some previous key novels and many others) and others that seem to be easy to reduce to some basic possible explanations through reasoning of major, minor, and very minor details.
Ok now time to respond to the overly active Lucia chat~
......actually...... ill leave that to next time
Edit: actually i may just be overthinking this because this VN allows it more than most other VNs I have read. Who knows?
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