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612 Woodward Ave
Detroit, MI 48226 (313) 961-3043 official website
24 Rotating Michigan Taps. Located @ 612 Woodward. Downtown Detroit. Open everyday 11am til' 2am. Gourmet. Local. Pub Grub.
By alp1 over 5 years ago on Menuism
Greatest Pub Downtown Detroit Super cool drinking and eating spot in the downtown area has the best craft... Read more »
By z $ about 7 years ago on Insider Pages
terrible. great website leads you in with promise of delicious hard ciders and beers only for them to be out of everything and then provide crappy service on top of it.\r \r mozzarella stix were school lunch quality or worse.\r \r only… Read more »
By Melissa W over 9 years ago on Insider Pages
I went to this pub to watch the tigers v.s. A's game on t.v.. They had great deals on shots so we had a few. The staff is very down to earth and the place all together has a great vibe. If your near the downtown area definitely go to this… Read more »
By tortuga74 about 10 years ago on Citysearch
My wife and I stumbled on Foran's during the 2008 Winter Blast. We were surprised to say the least when we entered the Pub. It was very clean and maintained very well. The non-smoking section is very small. It consists of four tables at… Read more »
By sgutholm over 10 years ago on Citysearch
We stumbled into Foran's during the JazzFest and was SHOCKED! Not only is it gorgeous with the groing-vaulted ceilings the pour Michigan brews and pump out great music! I heard Gomez as I sipped a MotorCity GhettoBlaster. We love Detroit… Read more »
By partybag over 10 years ago on Citysearch
To begin, I advise you not to consider the reviews before 2007, as new owners took over around this time (and thank God they did based on the old reviews!)\r \r I've been to this pub many times, and it's a shame that it is never… Read more »
By timothyan about 11 years ago on Citysearch
Now this is a real Irish Pub. I was suprised at the other reviews and then I realized they are years old. Here's a new one. The best food and value in downtown. I was told there is new owners this year. It is clean and it is … Read more »
By Contributor over 13 years ago on Citysearch
In Short
Despite this Irish pub's classic wooden bar, tin ceiling and multiple television screens, a varied crowd turns up on most nights. With a focus on electronic and techno music on the upper-level stage, this is not your… Read more »
By christinemichele over 13 years ago on Citysearch
The food was middle of the road for the price. Many of the lunch items on the menu were not available. The restrooms could use repair and the service was second-rate. Their "use anytime" coupons were not accepted for lunch. Read more »
By jimmyk64 almost 14 years ago on Citysearch
I had a better experience here than the previous reviewer. My blue cow Angus beef burger was terrific. The lunch crowd was diverse, which made for great people watching. They were tapping six great beers the day I stopped in. I couldn't… Read more »
By chancgardener over 15 years ago on Citysearch
The food is mediocre only to be surpassed by the service. When I think of Irish pubs, I think of a friendly atmosphere. Not here. More like ho-hum. One of the worst lunches in quite some time. You can do a lot better and not much worse for… Read more »


text: The killer goes through a door, which closes behind them. Then we hear screams and gunshots. Used with those DrivenToSuicide as well.A subtrope of GoryDiscretionShot or BattleDiscretionShot. See also ScreamDiscretionShot and ShadowDiscretionShot. Goes together well with the lethal variant of MuggedForDisguise. Sometimes an example of NothingIsScarier or DarknessEqualsDeath, where the scene is more disturbing because we can't see it. Related to OffscreenCrash and DeathByTransceiver.If the death is a Sound-Only Death from the point of view of in-canon third parties as well as the viewer, this may be a set up for a twist in which the whole thing was a [[FakingTheDead fake]] and the apparent death noises were simulated.'''As a DeathTrope, all spoilers will be unmarked. You have been warned.'''----!!Examples:[[foldercontrol]][[folder:Anime and Manga]]* ''Manga/ElfenLied'': The lone survivor of a squad of guards who had been trying to kill a [[FullFrontalAssault completely naked]] [[OneManArmy Lucy]] is [[OhCrap trapped unarmed and alone in a room with her.]] She crouches down in front of him as he cowers in a corner, shitting his pants in fear...* ''Anime/{{Noir}}''. The [[MafiaPrincess Intocabile]] murders the family of a Mafia boss this way, after he commits treason. This was done to get around the heavy restrictions placed on gore by the network (which is why the series uses BloodlessCarnage) and it works.** Debatably, also the ending of the series. But most fans don't sign to this theory, as the gun-sounds in the end belong to the protagonists' guns, which at this point were destroyed.* The Count's death in ''Anime/TheCastleOfCagliostro'', when he's crushed by the clock tower's hands. You hear him in pain, and then a gurgle accompanied by a nasty-sounding crunch as the hands move to the 12:00 position.* Karyuudo Tsukishima's death in ''[[Manga/FutureDiary The Future Diary]]'' is heard from a walkie-talkie as Officer Kurusu shoots him point-blank.* Though we do see him bleed out, the actual shot that killed [[BadassNormal Maes Hughes]] in ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' is just a sound effect over a black screen. ** Solf Kimblee's death is also a sound effect over a black screen, only this time with the sound of [[NightmareFuel jaws snapping shut on him]].* ''Manga/BlackLagoon''. [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled Yukio's suicide]] in the anime, when she [[{{Seppuku}} stabs herself in the throat with a katana]]. We only see Rock staring in horror (as Revy screams at him not to) and the sound of Yukio choking to death on her own blood. The manga, meanwhile, gives us a completely unobstructed view as she gives him one last smile and falls over dead.* Kaji's death in ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. He is standing alone somewhere and turns to say to an unknown individual, "Yo! You're a little late, aren't you?" This is followed by a gunshot over a black screen.** Subverted in the movie ''Death and Rebirth'', where the gunshot is replaced by the sound of Asuka slapping Shinji out of disbelief and yelling at him when he tells her that Kaji is gone.[[note]]This was changed back in the English dub after the dubbers mistook the slap for a weak-sounding gunshot.* Occurs fairly often in ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'', specifically during the Battle of Trost. In the anime, you don't ''see'' anyone get EatenAlive, but you sure [[HellIsThatNoise hear it]].* In ''LightNovel/FateZero'''s anime adaptation, we don't see the actual death of the boy that Caster kills after giving him a cruel HopeSpot, just Caster's shadow tentacles reach out and grab him before it cuts away, but what we do hear makes it clear how horrific a death it was.[[/note]][[/folder]][[folder:Comicbooks]]* Done in ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' when Rorschach went into the [[TheCanKickedHim prison restroom]] and killed Big Figure.* Archie's ''Comicbook/SonicTheHedgehog'' has one in the milestone issue #225; Sonic and Sally infiltrate the newly-built Death Egg Mark II, where they are then immediately confronted by Silver Sonic Mark II. Sonic decides to fight. However, Sally runs down a corridor to trace Eggman's intercom signal, where she encounters a giant gun turret that pops out of the wall. Sonic, while still fighting Silver Sonic, hears 3 sickening loud blasts (Possibly made worse by the art detailing in the onomatopoeia of the blasts.) from outside the corridor. The only thing we see afterwards of Sally is her shattered goggles and a silhouette on the floor of her lifeless hand, as Mobius reboots itself. She's not dead...but then gets roboticized.[[/folder]][[folder:Fan Works]]* A Shadow Broker guard dies like that in ''[[FanFic/MassFoundations Mass Foundations: Redemption in the Stars]]''. He frantically tries to hide and wait for the alarms to re-activate ... we hear the shotgun blast immediately afterwards.[[/folder]][[folder:Films -- Animated]]* ''Disney/{{Bambi}}'': We don't actually see Bambi's mother getting killed by the hunter. We just hear a gunshot after Bambi runs away, and later his father tells him that his mother "can't be with him anymore". Interestingly, the hunter himself is never shown in the film either.* Ironhide's death in ''WesternAnimation/TransformersTheMovie''; we see Megatron standing over him, fusion cannon pointing at his head and about to discharge, and then the scene cuts to an external shot of the hijacked shuttle as we hear the iconic sound of that cannon over the ending notes of "Instruments of Destruction".* ''WesternAnimation/IceAge'': At the climax, Manny knocks the evil saber Soto to a rock wall, the impact knocking loose sharp icicles. We see Soto's final moments as he [[OhCrap looks up in horror at the icicles coming loose and falling toward him]], then we cut to his hench-sabers cringing as a sickening stabbing sound is heard. [[/folder]][[folder:Films -- Live-Action]]* Lambert's death in the first ''Film/{{Alien}}'' movie as she gets violated by the Alien, heard over the wirecam by Ripley.** Also Wierzbowski's death in ''Film/{{Aliens}}'': as Hicks frantically calls for him, we only hear him scream before his vital signs flatline. * The James Cagney movie ''Film/AngelsWithDirtyFaces'' ended this way.* There are several situations in ''Film/TheTreasureOfTheSierraMadre'' where the death of a character is visually censored this way. Curtin is executed off-screen while we hear two shots being fired, the three banditos are being executed against a wall which we see from an angle that doesn't show them being gunned down. Dobbs' [[OffWithHisHead beheading]] is [[GoryDiscretionShot covered by a donkey]] standing in the way.* A variation in ''Franchise/StarWars Episode IV: Film/ANewHope''. In the Death Star, two stormtroopers are lured inside the Millenium Falcon, then we hear blaster fire. We never see any bodies afterward, but Han and Luke [[MuggedForDisguise walk out in their uniforms]].* The massacre at the Two Pines Wedding Chapel in ''[[Film/KillBill Kill Bill, Vol. 2]]''.* A [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qheb3JyMHSU rather famous scene]] in ''Film/TheLimey'' is this.* The murder scene in ''Film/TheWarOfTheWorlds'' remake, where Creator/TomCruise's character goes into a nearby room to deal with the CrazySurvivalist whose actions threaten to give away their position to the invading aliens. The door closes, and....Dakota Fanning sings with her eyes closed so she won't hear the murder sounds.* ''Film/{{Ultraviolet}}'' has a scene star with a closed door, gunshots, sword sounds, screams, mayhem...and then Violet comes through the door alone.* Occurs in the ''Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow''. After Frank N Furter chases Eddie into the freezer, [[GoryDiscretionShot we see Columbia's horrified face]] as we hear Eddie's screams and Frank chopping him to pieces with a pick-axe.* In ''Film/{{Signs}}'', during the attack in the basement, the only lightbulb is quickly shattered; there follows several minutes of black screen, screaming and things breaking. And, indeed, it is much more disturbing than it probably would have been if we had been able to ''see'' the attack.* ''Film/TheBlackHole''. The visual aspect of Durant's murder by Maximillian is hidden by the book. We only see Durant screaming in agony.* Done chillingly in ''Film/ParanormalActivity''. Katie, appearing possessed, wanders downstairs out of view, and begins screaming bloody murder. Her boyfriend runs down after her, you hear him shout, and then they're both suddenly cut off. After many agonizing seconds of silence, his body is tossed at the camera, and it's revealed that Katie had just murdered him.* The suicides of Hitler and Eva Braun, Mr & Mrs Goebbels and other Nazi bigwigs in ''Film/{{Downfall}}''. Averted with various 'minor' characters.* The hibernating astronauts who are murdered by evil computer HAL in ''Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey''. Our only indication that they are dying comes from their life sign monitors, which flatline in a chorus of alarming beeps.* In the film adaptation of ''Film/DoubleIndemnity'' the protagonist Walter is shown popping up out of the backseat of a car, the shot changes to the wife of the victim driving while the victim's neck is audibly broken. In the novel, Walter sits up in the backseat of the car and grabs his victim by the neck, the author then (through the main characters voice) states "I won't tell you what I did then. But in two seconds he was curled down on the seat with a broken neck..."* In ''Film/SuckerPunch'', there's a scene where Blue talks to all of the girls about their escape plan, which Blondie told him about. When he shoots Amber and Blondie, there's just the sounds of the gunshot and their corpses hitting the floor.* ''Film/{{Hanna}}'' does this a lot- Erik Heller and Marissa Weigler are killed this way.* Played for comedy in ''Film/DirtyWork'', in the fish scene.-->Now you've taken ''my'' chainsaw, and you're using it on ''me''!* ''Film/JurassicPark'' -- The goat eaten by the T-rex, the hacker eaten by the Dilophosaurus and, most notably, ''Anything'' eaten by the Velociraptors, and for good reason- '' they are all eaten alive''.** In the sequel, anyone attacked or eaten by Compys tends to receive this treatment as well.* In ''Film/TheBlairWitchProject'', this is what happens to Heather because the footage is from her camera, and most likely Mike and Josh, too.* ''Film/TheBigRedOne''. The German protagonist is {{Booby Trap}}ping a castle belonging to a countess, who reveals that she despises Hitler and offers him a sizeable bribe not to detonate the explosives. Cut to the outside of the castle and the sound of a submachine gun.* ''Film/MillersCrossing''. A slow pan across the room accompanied by "[[SoundtrackDissonance Danny Boy" playing on the gramophone]], and the sound of a man gasping and his body hitting the floor, eventually reveals a dead guard in Leo's foyer, and the murderer letting in his accomplice so they can finish off their main target.* ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'': After [[CorruptCorporateExecutive John Daggett]] fails to gain control of Wayne Enterprises, he [[SpeakOfTheDevil confronts]] Bane. After a [[BullyingADragon heated exchange]], Bane swiftly turns the tables on Daggett, scaring his assistant away. Just as Bane begins to do... [[NothingIsScarier something]] to Daggett's face, the screen [[GoryDiscretionShot cuts away]] to the assistant, who is still close enough to hear Daggett's agonized screams. Also, Foley's death.* ''Film/LockStockAndTwoSmokingBarrels'', When Winston accompanies Rory Breaker to identify the thugs who robbed Rory's marijuana-growing operation. Once Winston has identified the primary culprit, as he hurries away with an armful of loot he hears gunfire.* ''Film/TheMatrixReloaded''. At the end of the fight between Neo and the Merovingian's {{mooks}}, the last mook is lying on the ground and looking up as Neo swings a polearm with a spiked end down at his head. The scene cuts to the Merovingian looking away in disgust as a "thunk" sound effect is heard.* ''Film/MenInBlack2''. The scene where Serleena eats a would-be mugger is done like this. It happens behind a bush so all we see are his legs fly up in the and get sucked down accompanied by his screams of terror and some devouring noises as she eats him alive.* ''Film/{{Predator}}''. As the fleeing party is being pursued by the title creature, one of them, Billy, decides to perform a YouShallNotPass to let the others escape. As they continue along they hear his scream as the Predator kills him.* ''Film/{{Serenity}}''. When the unnamed female scientist on the video is attacked by a Reaver, it drags her down out of sight and we hear her screams as it rapes/kills/eats her.* ''Film/LicenceToKill'': When Lupa's lover has his heart cut out by Sanchez's men, we only hear his scream and briefly see his dead body later on.* ''Film/SophieSchollTheFinalDays'', a German film about the [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany 1943]] trial and execution [[OffWithHisHead by guillotine]] of three antifascist student protestors. The screen fades to black just as the blade is released to sever Sophie's head, and we hear it rise and fall twice more, along with Hans Scholl's cry of "[[FacingTheBulletsOneLiner Es lebe die Freiheit!]]" (''Long live freedom'').* ''Film/SherlockHolmesAGameOfShadows''. Moriarty tells Irene Adler [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he has no further need of her services]]. She gets up and leaves, staggering slightly as she does. Cut back to Moriarty calmly sipping his tea while a crash of crockery (a later flashback scene shows she knocked over a table as she fell) signifies Irene collapsing from the [[TamperingWithFoodAndDrink poisoned tea she just drank]].* In ''Film/{{Targets}}'' during the massacre at the drive-in, we at one point cut to one of the car showing a child in the front passanger seat crying hysterically. The camera pans away to the driver seat where we see an dead adult. A shot is heard and the crying stops.* In ''Film/SixTheMarkUnleashed'', the massacre of the underground hideout rebels is done with only the sound of a gunshot between scenes.* ''Klute'' is forced to listen to the murder of a friend that the killer recorded.* ''Film/TheLastDaysOnMars'' (2013). The protagonist can hear the radio chatter of the relief team, but his own radio isn't working properly so he can't warn them about the infected crewmen. Instead he hears their screams over the radio, their deaths obscured by the dust kicked up by the DropShip as it landed.* Blackly funny example in ''Film/TheatreOfBlood''-- a cop hiding in the trunk of a car in an attempt to follow vengeful killer actor Edward Lionheart ends up with it parked on train tracks. We hear him over the walkie-talkie to the other cops:-->"I can hear a train whistle... ''(rumbling sound)'' I can definitely identify it as a train... ''(sound grows louder)'' T-R-A... '''KERRRR-UNNCH.'''* ''Film/Plan9FromOuterSpace'': The grieving old man walks off screen, his shadow freeze-frames and we hear a screech of brakes and a yell. "Confused by his great loss, the old man left that home... never to return!" Only a funny example because of {{narm}}. At B-Fest, someone will occasionally [[FreeWheel roll a single tire in front of the screen at this point]].* ''Film/TheArtOfWar'' (2000). Shaw's partner dies this way, shot over the radio as Shaw attempts to run down an assassin. He's TheMole FakingTheDead, and in fact turns out to be the assassin Shaw was chasing.* When Georgie is killed in ''Film/FunnyGames'', it happens in the next room, and we only hear the sound of the shotgun going off and see a blood-spattered television immediately afterward.* Played for laughs in ''Film/AustinPowersInternationalManOfMystery'' when Dr. Evil drops Mustafa into a pit of fire, only for Mustafa to complain off screen that he's "alive, but very badly burned". This goes on for some time until we hear someone shoot him; he then complains about being shot before finally being shot again, presumably finishing him off.* ''Film/TheBodyguard'' opens on the sound of gunshots [[BatmanColdOpen as Frank Farmer shoots dead a hitman sent after his client]].[[/folder]][[folder:Literature]]* In ''A Sound of Thunder'' by Ray Bradbury, the titular sound is used to refer to three things: 1) The Roar of a Tyrannosaurus Rex, 2) The guns that kill said Tyrannosaurus, and 3) The sound that the gun makes when aimed at the Protagonist who destroyed the present by tampering with the distant past.* ''Literature/TheGunsOfNavarone''. Mallory tells the others how Andrea Stavros killed a roomful of Germans -- entering disguised as a collaborator, [[DarknessEqualsDeath breaking the lightbulb]], then after the shots and screams had died he comes out the door covered in blood.* In ''[[Literature/{{Twilight}} The Twilight Saga: Eclipse]]'', the story is told from Bella's first-person POV, so all the action is usually described through her own eyes. But when Bree is executed by the Voluturi, Bella closes her eyes, so can only describe the ''sounds'' of a vampire being dismembered.* A curious example occurs in ''Literature/HeartOfSteel'', whereby Alistair silences rival cyborg Jim and closes his eyes before sending his combat drones to dismember him, so that Jim cannot access the speakers or move on his own, but both of them are connected to the island's computer network so that Alistair gets the full brunt of Jim's frantic last thoughts.* ''Literature/TheDayOfTheTriffids''. While hiding in an apartment building, the protagonist hears a young couple commit suicide by jumping out a window.[[/folder]][[folder:Live-Action TV]]* In ''Series/GameOfThrones'', we see Shireen Baratheon get tied to a stake, but only hear the sounds of her burning to death and screaming as the camera lingers on her mother's face.* Done in ''Series/TheDresdenFiles'', where a group of vampire hunters is killed loudly and violently off-screen, while Dresden himself is locked in a room.* The murder of the entire Quorum in ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}'''s fourth season. We see the bodies afterwards though, and the massacre itself is a deleted scene on the DVD.* The suicide of the protagonist in the TV adaptation of ''Literature/APerfectSpy'' (by Creator/JohnLeCarre) involves him walking offscreen, then we hear a gunshot after a long pause, and then a gory shot of his body.* PlayedForLaughs with ''The Death of Mary, Queen of Scots'', a radio ShowWithinAShow from ''Series/MontyPythonsFlyingCircus''.* Series 3 of ''Series/{{Torchwood}}''. When ordered to hand over his children to a FateWorseThanDeath, a civil servant requisitions a pistol, then tells his wife and two daughters to go up to their room. Once the door closes behind him, four quick shots follow.* ''Series/DoctorWho'':** PlayedForLaughs in the episode [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E12TheSoundOfDrums "The Sound of Drums"]]. The Master needs a pesky reporter taken care of; one of the Toclafane materializes in the room. The Master then hurriedly leaves with his wife, and until he closes the sound-proof door, we hear screams and the sounds of horrible sharp instruments. Then, after a little while, the Master ''opens'' the door again, and screams can ''still'' be heard from inside. He closes it again, waits a bit longer ... opens the door, and the victim is still screaming.** More BlackComedy in "The Crimson Death". When the BigBad suffers a DisneyVillainDeath by falling off a rocket launching structure, the Doctor and his companions are shown wincing at the sound of her body bouncing off various metal beams before she hits the ground.** Harriet Jones's extermination in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E12TheStolenEarth "The Stolen Earth"]].** Adelaide Brooke's suicide in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E16TheWatersOfMars "The Waters of Mars"]].** Also occurs in the Third Doctor story [[Recap/DoctorWhoS7E1SpearheadFromSpace "Spearhead from Space"]], where an elderly couple's dog is apparently killed by an Auton, or at least spooked off. The animal is heard barking offscreen, as its mistress berates it to be quiet; this is followed by a yelp, then silence.** In [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E4TheTimeOfAngels "The Time of Angels"]] and [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E5FleshAndStone "Flesh and Stone"]], the Weeping Angels move so quickly that this the only way they can snap the RedShirts' necks.** [[Recap/DoctorWhoS15E3ImageOfTheFendahl "Image of the Fendahl"]]: Four hands Stael a pistol, and heads to the stairs. When he reaches the top, we hear a single gunshot. The Doctor looks back, the scene changes, and the next time Stael is mentioned it's a reference to his suicide.* Part of what makes Haley's death in the 100th episode of ''Series/CriminalMinds'' so horrific is that her ex-husband, Hotch, is listening to the Reaper torture her over the phone. They get [[{{Tearjerker}} a few minutes to say goodbye]], and then all Hotch can hear is Foyet's gun going off.* Jenny Sheperd's death at the end of season 5 of ''Series/{{NCIS}}''. Played with in that we see part of the fight in the next episode.* In the second season of ''Series/{{Jericho}}'', one episode has Bonnie fighting off a bunch of Ravenwood goons with a shotgun. We see most of the gun battle, but when Goetz walks into the house, perspective cuts to Mimi, who is in the storage closet, slowly bleeding from a gunshot wound. We here three shots- one from Goetz's gun, which we see go through the wall a strike a shelf, one from Bonnie's shotgun, and another from Goetz, which doesn't hit the wall. Cue Mimi's stunned look as she realizes that Goetz had the last shot. We don't find out that Bonnie is dead until the very end of that episode, and we never actually see her get shot.* In the ''Series/RedDwarf'' episode "Meltdown", we hear but don't see Franchise/WinnieThePooh [[ItMakesSenseInContext get shot by a firing squad]].-->'''Lister''': That's something no one should ever have to see.* ''[[Series/{{Highlander}} Highlander:The Series]]'' never shows any decapitations, instead opting for a shot of a person swinging a sword and perhaps a *''thunk''* as a head hits the floor.* Happens fairly often in ''Series/StargateSG1'' and ''Series/StargateAtlantis'' when (usually) bad guys try to get through the Stargate while the iris is closed.* Subverted and PlayedForLaughs in the ''Series/{{Frasier}}'' episode "Are You Being Served?" when Niles, in full swing of a nervous breakdown during a messy divorce, locks himself in the bathroom and a loud '''BANG''' is heard, followed by silence. The other characters all look at each other horrified. Then Niles stumbles out, covered in foam. Martin's [[SlicesDicesAndMakesJulienneFries Hot n' Foamy]] had just exploded.* The final scene of the {{reviv|al}}ed ''Series/{{Dallas}}'' episode "The Furious and Fast" is J.R. calling John Ross and telling him he's proud of him. The last shot we see of J.R. is him slowly lowering his cell phone as he sees someone offscreen. Cut to John Ross hearing gunshots over his own cell phone and crying out for his father. Someone has once again shot J.R., and this time, he's KilledOffForReal.* We can hear a gunshot after the shot fades to black when Jesse shoots Gale in ''Series/BreakingBad''.* This happens only occasionally on ''Series/ColdCase'', including one particularly sad case where a teenaged girl is held down by a group of biker thugs and viciously stabbed. The sounds of her screams as well as the condition of her body (in which part of the blade was ''imbedded inside of her'') shows how much she suffered.* ''Series/{{Frontline}}''. In "The Siege" anchorman Mike Moore (no, not [[Creator/MichaelMoore that one]]) interviews a hostage taker while the eponymous siege is in progress, earning high ratings for his program. Two weeks later another hostage taker rings up Moore asking for a direct interview. Moore answers the phone on live television.-->'''Moore:''' You asked to speak to me. Well you've got the whole of Australia watching and listening. What do you want?-->'''Hostage Taker:''' I want you to hear this. ''(screams and gunshots. Cut to credits)''.* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration''. In "The Naked Now", the crew of Enterprise are shocked to hear the sound of an [[ThrownOutTheAirlock emergency hatch being blown]], depressurizing the bridge crew of the starship ''Tsiolkovsky''.* ''Series/TheHauntingHour'' features these in abundance. One of the [[NothingIsScarier creepiest ones]] would be from "My Old House." A girl who doesn't want to leave her old home [[AdultFear runs away from her family]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything to be with it again]]. However, she soon realizes that her family is more important when she sees them worry over her disappearance. When she tries to return to them [[{{Yandere}} the House]] has a VillainousBreakdown and prevents her from leaving. While the scared girl cowers in a corner, the house brings out CombatTentacles and goes in for the kill. The last time we see her alive she screams before we get a discretion shot. * ''Series/TheEqualizer'' normally shows the villains getting shot by the protagonist, but the end of "Nightscape" is an exception. Robert [=McCall=] has tracked down three rapists just as they're chasing their next victim. They're not impressed by some middle-aged English guy trying to stop them, and pull knives. Cue the victim pausing for a moment on the subway stairwell as she hears three loud gunshots. It's made clear afterwards that [=McCall=] ''has'' killed them, as he pours out his angst to his GirlOfTheWeek afterwards.* ''Series/BoardwalkEmpire'' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mals6tMDa2c does this]] with Joe Masseria's assassination. Lucky Luciano gets up from the table, and excuses himself to the bathroom. As he closes the door, his hitmen Tonino Sandrelli and Bugsy Siegel enter the restaurant. Inside the bathroom, Luciano listens as the two assassins empty their guns into Masseria, emerging once the gunfire ceases.-->'''Lucky Luciano:''' Fuck took so long?-->'''Bugsy Siegel:''' Traffic the whole way.-->'''Tonino Sandrelli:''' Had to be done, right?* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}''. While it's often done for GoryDiscretionShot, the ending of "Heart" is a noteworthy example, when Sam has to MercyKill the GirlOfTheWeek after discovering she's a werewolf. He takes her into the bedroom, and Dean winces at the subsequent gunshot. Cut to credits.* Xhalax's apparent death in ''Series/{{Farscape}}'', when Crais, claiming that he doesn't want to kill her in front of her daughter, takes her away into the swamp, after which a gunshot is heard. A few episodes later it's revealed that he spared her (which John, at least, had already suspected), but she's killed off unambiguously via RasputinianDeath (shot in the chest, then jumps from a starscraper) at the end of the same episode.* In the SoapOpera ''Series/AnotherWorld'', as two cars speed toward each other on an ice-slicked road, the final frame of the episode is a frozen shot of one set of headlights. It fades to black as we hear the gruesome sound of a car crash.* ''Series/{{Fargo}}''. [[ProfessionalKiller Lorne Malvo]] walks into a building and wipes out the entire Fargo Mob. The battle is shown only by the camera panning across (then up) the buildings' opaque windows to the sound of gunfire, screams and curses, until it reaches the top floor of the building where upon someone undergoes DestinationDefenestration. Despite all this noise, [[FailedASpotCheck it's only then that the FBI agents on surveillance across the street realise something is wrong.]]* ''Series/BlakesSeven''. Cally's death at the start of Season 4 is only shown by StuffBlowingUp and her crying out Blake's name. This was because Jan Chappell had decided to leave the series; she rejected the idea of a final episode portraying her death and only agreed to voice record her FamousLastWords.* ''Series/{{Angel}}''. [[VampireHunter Holtz]] taking out an entire Wolfram & Hart spec ops team in "Quickening", presumably to obfuscate the FridgeLogic of a single BadassNormal with a sword killing a [[NoOneCouldHaveSurvivedThat dozen men with automatic weapons who have him surrounded]].* ''Series/{{Westworld}}''. There are two scenes where the Man in Black [[VillainousRescue 'rescues']] the same bandito as he's on the verge of being executed (first by hanging, then firing squad). On both occasions the camera is focussed on the bandito's blindfolded face as gunshots ring out (we see maybe one person die as he flees into camera view only to get shot InTheBack) then the blindfold is removed to reveal the bandito's POV of the [[OneManArmy Man in Black and a field of bodies]].[[/folder]][[folder:Music]]* The intro to "Punks" by Black Tiger Sex Machine includes a radio transmission of this nature: "We are surrounded...requesting immediate evac...there's too many of them! Aghh---"[[/folder]][[folder:Theatre]]* Done in Euripides's Greek myth-inspired ''Theatre/{{Medea}}'', when the eponymous character murders her children, making this trope [[OlderThanFeudalism older than dirt]].* Kim in ''Theatre/MissSaigon'' steps into a curtained alcove to shoot herself, although she staggers out for a DiedInYourArmsTonight finish.[[/folder]][[folder:Videogames]]* ''VideoGame/{{Unreal}}''. After a couple brief sightings of a Skaarj on your crashed ship, you come to a locked door. Behind the door, you hear some of the other prisoners or guards ([[RedShirt unsuccessfully]]) fighting the alien. Once the door finally opens, you see the Skaarj run off, leaving a pile of [[LudicrousGibs what used to be people]] on the floor behind him.* Also used twice in ''VideoGame/FableII''. The Hero leaves the room where an artist is either painting or sculpting Reaver's likeness, followed by a comment about how the artist has made a mistake, and then a gunshot.* ''VideoGame/CallOfJuarezBoundInBlood''. Mendoza orders his thugs to kill William, then leaves and closes the door as gunshots are heard from behind it. We later learn that those gunshots were fired by [[TheGunslinger Ray]] doing his BigDamnHeroes thing.* ''VideoGame/{{Iji}}'', sector 9. Once you break Annihilator Iosa's shield, the screen cuts to black and we hear either a shotgun blast, or a {{laser blade}} strike, depending whether or not you [[EnemyMine teamed up with Ansaksie]].* In ''[[VideoGame/DarkForcesSaga Jedi Outcast]]'', [[BigBad Desann]] tells [[TheDragon Tavion]] to kill Kyle's friend, Jan. You can hear an activating lightsaber and then a grunt. Later, when Tavion ends up being dangled over an abyss after an enraged Kyle defeated her in a lightsaber duel, she confesses that it was all a trick to anger him and that Jan is still alive, so the trope is averted in this case.* ''Franchise/MassEffect'':** At the start of [[VideoGame/MassEffect1 the first game]], Saren betrays and executes Nihlus from behind. The cutscene ends after Saren pulls out his gun on Nihlus, but the player can hear the gunshot echoing in the distance when gameplay resumes.** In the DLC ''Bring Down the Sky'', one of the missing engineers' bodies shows signs of "burn marks and concussive damage." You can listen to her final audio log: "They're trying to find a way in. I think they're attaching something to the door. If I don't make it, tell my family I love--"(sound of huge explosion).** ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'' has one that's very easy to miss. If you give quarian merchant Kenn a thousand credits for his ticket off Omega and then hang around after he leaves, you hear him cry out and get cut off by a gunshot. Ouch. ** In ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', if you fail to save Dr. Archer's brother David at Grissom Academy--or if you do, but decide to not tell him and let him worry--he pulls out a gun and walks away to "escape from this nightmare." [[DrivenToSuicide Then you hear a gunshot.]]* Done in the [[ItsAWonderfulFailure bad ending]] of Wing Commander IV. [[PlayerCharacter Blair]] is taken offscreen to be executed by firing squad. "Blindfold?" "No." "Ready, aim, fire." (Gunshots, thump)* Subverted in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'': Delita approaches Valmafra, sword drawn, and the "camera" pans upwards out of the scene as a scream is heard. Later on, we learn that the person in question is still alive. The game never really explain what caused the scream, but many fans speculate that Delita cut off Valmafra's tongue.* ''VideoGame/RuleOfRose'' goes its way to avoid actually showing any violence against children, so all deaths involving them happen off screen, with only screams to accompany them. Even bodies don't appear afterwards, only empty clothes, though [[AllJustADream the nature of the story]] justifies this rather well.* ''VideoGame/MetalGear'': ** After defeating Sniper Wolf in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'', she's lung-shot and asks to be finished off. The camera zooms so far out that all you can see is the fog, and you hear the gunshot echo in the distance.** In the end of ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'', Snake kneels in front of Big Boss's grave, puts his Springfield Operator in his mouth with one bullet, [[FadeToBlack cut to black]], [[TearJerker BANG]]. Averted since he pulled the gun out at the last second. Good thing, too. Since Big Boss is standing right there.* In the first level of ''VideoGame/PrinceOfPersia2: The Shadow and the Flame'', after climbing down to the ground, if you go off the screen to the right (into the city) instead of left (towards the harbor), the view doesn't change screens, and you hear sounds of violence from offscreen while your health meter slowly decreases to zero.* ''VideoGame/Disgaea2CursedMemories''. [[MultipleEndings Worst Ending]]. Adell kills and [[ImAHumanitarian devours]] Hanako and Taro. And you hear all the splurchy nightmare-inducing noises.* In ''VideoGame/TheReconstruction'', the screen abruptly fades to black right before Dehl kills [[BigBad Havan]], who we only hear screaming. This is rather odd, considering that there was a graphic FamilyUnfriendlyDeath not much earlier, plus the fact that the game has no reason to pretend it's still a happy-go-lucky family-friendly adventure story at that point.** Although, it could be a way of showing that the extremely dark tone of chapter 6 is finally over, and that the story is now going to return to a more lighthearted state.* ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}}'':** You can find an ECHO recording of Jack strangling someone to death. He corrects someone that ''choking'' is what happens when you get food caught in your windpipe, and what he's doing is actually ''strangling''.** One side quest is finding inspiration for [[AbhorrentAdmirer Scooter to write a love poem]]. When you present it to the object of his affections, she excuses herself, walks through a door, [[SuicideAsComedy and you hear a gunshot]].** In the Wildlife Exploitation Preserve, you can find ECHO recordings of live human experimentation. Although for the most part it's not outright stated whether they lived or died (though they almost certainly did die), there is a case where the victim is known to have died; Tina's parents. The final recording is of Tina being instructed to use a grenade to escape. Doing Tina's "Tea Party" side quest confirms that her parents died there.* Happens in the third arc of VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry where Jessica (and the reader) only hears Nanjo getting murdered by Evatrice outside the room she is in. It is as scary as it sounds especially when Evatrice begins to taunt the blinded Jessica (earlier a gun went of next to her face and she was blinded by the discharge) from the other side of the door.* ''VideoGame/RiseOfTheTriad'' puts up confirmation messages such as "Press Y to signal firing squad" when you go to exit the game. If you do confirm the quit out, the screen goes to black and the game plays an appropriate sound-bite ("Ready, aim, fire!" '''''BANG!'''''). There are several such messages, almost all of which suggest being executed (the two exceptions being driving your car over a cliff and pulling the plug on your life support), and every one with its own sound-bite.* ''VideoGame/FiveNightsAtFreddys'' uses this to great effect when all the animatronics [[spoiler:finally get to Phone Guy during his Night 4 phone call.]]* In one of the paths in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'', this is how [[spoiler: Sans]] dies at the end of that route's final battle, heaving himself heavily wounded off-screen, where you hear the usual noise for a monster turning to dust. That [[spoiler: Sans]] both appears to bleed and doesn't turn to dust immediately like monsters should when dealt a fatal blow has created a ''lot'' of EpilepticTrees as to weather or not he actually did die, or just made the noise with his mouth before limping off elsewhere, among other theories.[[/folder]][[folder:Webcomics]]* In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' Redcloak takes control over Tsukiko's wights and orders them to drain her to death and then eat her corpse. Then comics provides four panels of Redcloak's face and speech bubles with Tsukiko's dying screams as he watches her die.[[/folder]][[folder:Western Animation]]* ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated'': Does it twice. Yes from a [[DarkerAndEdgier Scooby Doo cartoon]].** Ed Machine comes home [[AloneWithThePsycho to find Pericles Waiting for him]]. He says he wants to deliver his boss a message, Ed tells him to say it and leave... Pericles informs him that he doesn't intend for him to say anything, cut to the outside where Ed's screams and Wing flutters can be heard.** After Marcie "Hot Dog Water" Fleach's failed attempt at holding Pericles captive, he orders his Kriegstafflebots to execute her. They advance, open up their Gatling Guns, cut to Velma and Scooby, they hear gunshots, and Scooby starts whimpering.-->'''Velma:''' (''sadly'') Just keep going, Scooby...* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'': This happens with P'Li in Book 3, when she blasts her whole body to smithereens, and the only thing you see is a big cloud of smoke, and the only thing you hear is a big bang from the explosion.* ''WesternAnimation/{{Popeye}}'': At the end of "Happy Birthdaze" Popeye and Shorty, who's been accidentally causing AmusingInjuries the entire cartoon end up in a furnace in the dark. A gunshot is heard and the silent closing title says "The Bitter End."[[/folder]][[folder:Real Life]]* Black box recordings recovered from aircraft crash sites often capture the moment of impact and sounds from within the cockpit as this occurs, making them very disturbing to listen to.* This must happen to 911 (999) operators from time to time.** Ditto for those working on Suicide Prevention Hotlines.* Audio has been released of at least one victim of 9/11 who was speaking to 911 when one of the WTC towers he was in collapsed.* The final transmission of the space shuttle Columbia was cut off in the middle of a word beginning with "bu..." Challenger exploded a second after its commander said "Go with throttle up" but it's unclear whether any sounds from the cockpit were transmitted. It's long been rumoured that black box recordings exist of at least Challenger.* One of the most disturbing live-TV examples occurred in July 2007 when a TV helicopter covering a police chase in Phoenix collided with another. Viewers heard the reporter in the chopper reacting to something unseen by viewers who then heard the sound of impact and then the man screaming as the transmission quickly cut way back to the studio.* Timothy Treadwell, an environmentalist and grizzly bear enthusiast, was killed (along with his girlfriend) by one of the very bears he swore to protect in 2003. When park rangers discovered his ruined campsite, they found his video camera, which had managed to record audio of the fatal attack. Creator/WernerHerzog himself was horrified by it when he listened to said audio while filming his Treadwell documentary ''Film/GrizzlyMan'', and recommended strongly that it be destroyed.[[/folder]]----

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Olivepaw - Approved
File:Olivepaw.apprentice.png Well, my first tortoiseshell. How bad is it? (hides in corner) --Icethroat21Enter at risk 03:24, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
I can't see shading. Brambleclaw14 Talk 09:45, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
She looks like a calico. Add more black.--Darkhallows 17:11, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded. Darkened the shading and changed some of the white to black. Any better? --Icethroat21Enter at risk 00:07, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
I don't know how to do a tortie, but I love this.--♥Halloweenclaw 01:19, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
She looks great now. Comments before approval? --♫EchomistTalk♦Contribs 12:43, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
I don't want to be pushy or anything, but it's been 24 hours... --Icethroat21Enter at risk 18:05, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Eugh. It's only 6 hours over the time when you wrote that Icethroat; we can't be here all the time... =/ Approved Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest 18:16, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Whiteclaw (W) - Approved
File:Whiteclaw (W).PNG this is Whiteclaw. Brambleclaw14 Talk 08:29, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
She is way too dark.Minnowclaw 14:05, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Ok hehe he is way to dark XD so make he light. Brambleclaw14 Talk 14:56, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
ok hope this is ok. Brambleclaw14 Talk 16:13, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
The eye needs fixed... Icethroat21 21:44, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I forgot to specify on how to fix the eye, as well as mention a couple of other things, so, I'll say them now. The ear pink needs to be more triangular along with the shape of the ear, blurred some more, and also needs to be more of a reddish color rather than a pink color. And for the eye, go to here for a diagram of how to fix the eye. Also, the transition between black and white with the paw needs blurred some more, and add some shading on the hind leg. And maybe run the dodge tool over the tail a couple of times, so it's not too much darker than the color of about the middle of the shading. (Sorry, I know it's a lot, and if I didn't explain enough please say so!) Icethroat21 23:58, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
- OK....done. Brambleclaw14 Talk 07:11, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
Reddish, not purplish. Go to the red section, not up by where the purple and hot pink section is. Also make it a little fuller and less slanted. --Bramble-san 02:22, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
well it's red I don't like red ear...did I miss things? Brambleclaw14 Talk 08:40, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
The lineart at the bottom of the right forepaw looks thin compared to the rest of the charart. Can you thicken it? I think you erased some of it while you were coloring it in. --Hallow's Eve09 21:31, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
There needs to be a lot more shading; I can barely see any. -- Echomist Hear the Echo... 00:27, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
I can see some shading, but it's been blended in a lot. Add some more where it's needed, and where you already have shading, sharpen it a little, make it stand out a teeny bit more. GB57 21:58, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
ok is this better? Brambleclaw14 Talk 10:58, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
The shading looks fine to me. You need to blur the ear pink and line where the white forepaw joins the black fur though. Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest 20:02, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
can't say this is better but..done. Brambleclaw14 Talk 05:40, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
The ear pink looks too dark of a hot pinkish color rather than a reddish color. --Icethroat21Enter at risk 03:13, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Better? I've blured it a bit more as well. Brambleclaw14 Talk 09:07, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Blur the ear pink even more and add some shading on the white paw; I can't see any. Also, the lineart on the paw still needs to be fixed, as Rainwhisker said earlier. --♫EchomistTalk♦Contribs 12:32, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
done. Brambleclaw14 Talk 12:47, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
He's awesome. Comments before approval? --♫EchomistTalk♦Contribs 22:09, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Approved. --Bramble-san 22:44, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Hussar - Approved
Place the ear pink in the center of the ear, so it's not touching the side, and blur it, taking care not to hit the lineart. The shading is much too thick; blur its transition. Also add shading on the legs; blur as well. Put a white highlight in the eye; you can look at Moss's example image: [[File:Husker Longer Ex.png]] to see how to do the eyes. Other than that, not bad for your first go. --Bramble-san 22:23, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded: --Evanphoto 00:53, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
Hi Evanphoto! I'm so happy about the talent my new apprentice has! Try blending all of the pelt a little more and add some shading on his right rear leg.--Minnowclaw Enter at own risk... 01:44, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded--Evanphoto 10:26, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
Very good Evanphoto. I love him.--Minnowclaw Enter at own risk... 23:11, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! Wait, how does a pictue get approved?--Evanphoto 11:08, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
This looks great Evanphoto! An image is approved when either Bramble, myself or another senior warrior does so. A 24 hour call will be put out and if theer have bene no comments for improvement in that time then the iamge will be approved, added to the article and approved archives, and the text archived also. Please note that 24 hours is not the exact time in which it will be approved, it is a rough guide to give people a chance to comment. Sometimes it may be longer, sometimes (though rarely) slightly shorter due to the times different senior warriors get online.
This image looks good to me; Comments before approval? Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest 16:33, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
He's supposed to have a scar on his side; I can tell that it's there, but it's a very light grayish-pink color and practically unnoticeable. Make it more of a darker, brighter pink (but not too bright), so that it really looks like a scar. --♫EchomistTalk♦Contribs 23:06, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded--Evanphoto 22:02, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
The scar needs to be much brighter. Look at Ratscar for reference. --Icethroat21Enter at risk 00:39, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
File:Hussar1.pngReuploaded--Evanphoto 11:14, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Much better. Comments before approval? --♫EchomistTalk♦Contribs 12:34, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Approved. --Bramble-san 22:44, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Patchpelt (E) - Approved
This has got to be my worst two-colored cat...Mousepaw was much better. I tried to fix the shading between the black and white, but it looks really messy...any sugestions? Icethroat21Enter at risk 23:20, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
You may want to change the ear pink to less of a hot-pink. More like a natural pink.Other than that, it's beautiful!--♥Shade♥Meow/Prey 14:21, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded. I love the dodge tool. It made making the ear pink lighter much easier. :) So, anything else? How's it look now? Icethroat21Enter at risk 15:27, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
Darken all the shading and make the ear pink a little more natural.--Minnowclaw Enter at own risk... 12:50, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded. Darkened and thickened the shading. I tried to blur the shading, but it doesn't look too well...suggestions? Icethroat21Enter at risk 17:33, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
Well? I know that you said to darken the shading, Minnowclaw, but now it looks too dark. Everyone: do you think I should lighten the shading some? --Icethroat21Enter at risk 00:24, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
Well, ya, your right. Can we get someone else in here for their opinion?--Minnowclaw Enter at own risk... 00:59, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
I think you should lighten the shading... but just slighly. Also, you should probabaly try to blur the black spot on Patchpelt's chest. Also, I see a little black 'c' near that spot. Is that supposed to be there, or is it not? o.o Shistar BOO! 01:03, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
The "c" is part of the lineart. And for lightening the shading, I'll get to it after school tomorrow, hopefully. I have a busy night tomorrow, so...but I should be able to get to it tomorrow or the day after. --Icethroat21Enter at risk 02:01, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded. Lightened the shading, and now I've got to go to band rehersal. Any correctionts that need made I'll do once I get back. Got to go! --Icethroat21Enter at risk 22:26, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
He looks good, but the ear pink is too bright.--Minnowclaw Enter at own risk... 00:49, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
When the ear pink was darker, you said it looked too unnatural. So, should I darken it or leave it as it is? --Icethroat21Enter at risk 01:25, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Leave the ear as it is. The only other thing I see is that some of the patches look very unatural; they're too square (if that's the right word) - try making them a little more rounded and perhaps vary the sizes a little more. Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest
Sorry Icethroat, I'm not good with my words. Do as Sandy says.--♥Halloweenclaw 20:53, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded. Okay, I've tried to fix it, but it doesn't look any better... --Icethroat21Enter at risk 22:29, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
I think he looks great. :) Comments before approval? --♫EchomistTalk♦Contribs 22:12, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Approved. --Bramble-san 22:44, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Thunder (Loner) - Approved
File:Thunderstar.loner.png Meh. Nothing much to say, except that he's my first loner. --HoneyfurBob's Your Uncle! 19:41, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
The ear should probably be darkened a little, and the eye... it looks a bit cartoony, as if it were just black and white. But that's all I see. It's really good. <3 Shistar BOO! 20:55, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Shigura! Better? --HoneyfurBob's Your Uncle! 21:09, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
The shading is bothering me a bit, try blending it more.--Minnowclaw Enter at own risk... 21:41, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
I've blurred it as much as I possibly can. I'm not sure if the smudge tool would work better, either. Do you know any other helpful tools? --HoneyfurBob's Your Uncle! 22:52, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
No, well, it's just me who thinks that, so lets leave it like it is unless someone has an idea.--Minnowclaw Enter at own risk... 23:07, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
Well, if it looks weird to one person, it may look weird to another. We'll have to wait and see. --HoneyfurBob's Your Uncle! 23:19, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Minnowclaw; the shading should be blended more. Also try thickening it, just a tad. --♫EchomistTalk♦Contribs 00:22, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
The ear pink is a little bright, and I also agree that the shading should be blurred. --Icethroat21Enter at risk 02:21, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded. I tried to thicken and blur the shading, but it wouldn't blur any more. I was thinking to use the smudge tool, but I wanted to ask you guys first. --HoneyfurBob's Your Uncle! 22:56, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I think he's ready now. Comments before approval? --♫EchomistTalk♦Contribs 23:27, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Approved. --Bramble-san 22:44, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Clovertail (Q) - Approved
Clovertail. Is the brown light enough? Ashshadow 20:01, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
I think you should darken the shading; I can hardly see it. Other than that, it looks pretty good! Shistar BOO! 20:51, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Maybe darken the white a little bit as it look wired next to the brown.--Minnowclaw Enter at own risk... 22:13, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded I darkened the shading and made the white a bit mre cream. Is it any better? Ashshadow My Clan
The shading still needs to be darkened more.--♥Halloweenclaw 21:50, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
No, just the belly.--♥Halloweenclaw 22:21, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded better? -- Ashshadow My Clan
Yes.--♥Halloweenclaw 23:21, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Darken the shading on the back just a small bit. Not much, but some. --Icethroat21Enter at risk 00:38, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded Any better? Ashshadow 20:46, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
She's almost there. Just shrink the ear pink a tad so that it's not touching the lineart, and she'll be ready. --♫EchomistTalk♦Contribs 22:13, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded Is that better? Ashshadow 22:51, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Yep. Comments before approval? -- Echoshriek Trick or treat! 23:40, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Approved. --Bramble-san 22:44, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Blizzardstar - Approved
File:Blizzardstar Leader.pngEven though my Leopardstar was destined to be a failure, I really felt like doing a leader pixel :). Comments/criticism? --♫EchomistTalk♦Contribs 22:43, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
- O The only thing that I can see is the ear pink looks purpleish.--♥Halloweenclaw 23:00, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
~Reuploaded.~ Lightened ear pink. --♫EchomistTalk♦Contribs 23:25, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
This is very good! I don't see anything wrong now.--♥Halloweenclaw 23:26, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Wow Echo. I see nothing. I don't think I'll ever achieve the flawless blending you and some others seem to manage... Comments before approval? Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest 23:08, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
None. Approved.--*Minnowclaw* 01:10, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
Stonestream (E) Approved
File:Stonestream (E).png My first elder. Comments? --Spottedwing 23:41, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
Make the shading thicker and blur it. Also, make the ear pink redder and blur it more.--Minnowclaw Enter at own risk... 00:27, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
He's very good! But he seems dull and boring. Try adding some highlights, and blur the shading a little more. Ghostfire Happy Halloween! 00:29, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
Made the ear pink more red and thickened the shading --Spottedwing 01:07, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
The shading is great now, but you need to make the ear pink in more and well, less bright pinkish. (Sorry, I can't think at the moment).--♥Halloweenclaw 20:50, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Fixed the ear pink. --Spottedwing 22:37, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Thicken the shading even more than that. It needs to look like actual shading, as opposed to a shadow on the edge of the lineart. --♫EchomistTalk♦Contribs 12:42, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Thickened the shading. I really don't know what to think of it. --Spottedwing 18:25, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry, it's fine.--*Minnowclaw* 19:10, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Ok, so what else? --Spottedwing 02:30, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
I like it now.--*Minnowclaw* 15:59, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Comments before approval in 24 hours.--*Minnowclaw* 20:46, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Approved Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest 18:04, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
Windflight - Approved
File:Windflight. elder2.pngMeh.--Minnowclaw Enter at own risk... 23:01, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
The image is great, but Windflight already has a charart. The new rule (in the purple box at the top) indicates that we need to focus on characters without chararts. But for the image itself, it's awesome. --Icethroat21Enter at risk 02:58, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Yes but he has a warrior image and was last seen as an elder.--Minnowclaw Enter at own risk... 11:17, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Okay, then for the image, it's fine, but you might want to darken the ear in the back for more effect. --Icethroat21Enter at risk 19:45, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Which is better?--♥Halloweenclaw 20:46, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
The shading is better on the one on the right than the left, so I'd have to say the one on the right. --Icethroat21Enter at risk 22:03, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Anything else?--♥Halloweenclaw 22:21, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
The small strip of shading on the very back of the back (lol) that goes all the way down to the tail needs to be blurred some. Once you do that, this should just about be ready. Great job, Minnow! (Can I call you Minnow? Is that okay with you?) --Icethroat21Enter at risk 03:00, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Better?--♥Halloweenclaw 13:29, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Yes, much better. --Icethroat21Enter at risk 18:06, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
That one thick stripe on his tail and the last one on his back; part that with a lighter gray so it's less thick and bulky. Then it should be ready. --Bramble-san 23:29, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Better?--*Minnowclaw* 02:17, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Comments before approval? --Bramble-san 19:33, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Approved Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest 18:07, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
Goosefeather (MC) - Approved
File:Goosefeather.Medicine Cat.png I always loved Goosefeather. His madness amuses me. Constructments? --HawktalonTalk 22:30, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Wow its beautiful. Try adding more flecks to the legs, neck and tail. --Spottedwing 00:51, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded - Thanks Spottedwing ^-^ I added a couple more flecks to the afforementioned (yay, big words :D) places. Constructments? --HawktalonTalk 19:25, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Wow, this is gorgeous, Hawktalon! :) Just add some more flecks on the tail, legs, and head, and he should be all set. --♫EchomistTalk♦Contribs 22:08, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded - Thankies, Echomist! :) I added the flecks. Constructments? (New siggie=imhappyplz) --WerecatHappy Halloween! 15:00, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Add some on the top of his head.--*Minnowclaw* 19:00, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded - Added some flecks to the top of the head, if that's what you meant Minnowclaw. Better now? --WerecatHappy Halloween! 21:13, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Very much so. Comments before approval? --Bramble-san 23:29, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Blur the ear pink more. --Hallow's Eve09 00:47, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded - Blurred the ear pink more. Better now? --HawktalonTalk 18:33, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Yep. Can someone start the 24 hours? Or is more needed that I can't see?--*Minnowclaw* 18:53, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Repeating 24 hours. Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest 18:57, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Just one tiny, picky thing. On the herbs, the highlight is on the bottom. The "sun" seems to be coming from the front, so wouldn't the highlight be on the top of the herbs? -- Echoshriek Trick or treat! 19:25, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
True. --*Minnowclaw* 20:03, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded - Changed the highlight. Anything else? --HawktalonTalk 20:27, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
No, third time repeating 24 hours.--*Minnowclaw* 20:43, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Approved Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest 18:23, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
Aspentail (W) - Approved
Again, another 'A'. I had to modify the lineart slightly to give her a 'long tail' and the eye colour is generic. Constructments? Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest 15:16, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Her jaw shadow or shading near her head looks odd. Besides that, she's great Sandy! Ghostfire Happy Halloween! 22:03, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Wow, this is amazing! *drowns in awesomeness* But her descript says that she has streaks of pale gray, and what you have look like more of a dark gray. That's all I see, along with what Hawkey said. --♫EchomistTalk♦Contribs 22:05, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded: It might take a while to update but I've completely redone the shading and got as close as I possibly can to Shady and Dawn's style using the crappy blur tool on pixlr. (I wish I had my old photoimpression5 =( ) I've also tried a new style of 'streaks'. I wasn't quite sure how they should look so I opted for a more stand-out version of pale tabby stripes and tried to make them streak-like. I can make them vertical if preferred although I think they look more natural horizontal... (from our pov as we see the image... not as she would be standing up). Anyway, I'm rambling so I'll shut up and actually post this ^_^ Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest 22:50, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
- O :O :O :O :O :O :O! Wow. I have nothing to say.--*Minnowclaw* 02:35, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
lol thanks Minnow ^_^ OT: It's really annoying me because none of the updated images will show up for me and I can't find my temporary internet files to delete them in the hope it triggers the changes to show... =( Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest 13:48, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Comments before approval? --Bramble-san 19:33, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
None; approved Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest 18:25, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
Leopardstar - Approved
File:Leopardstar.pngOkay, so Echomist gave me he permission to do this and I'm withdrawing Lizardfang, what do you think?--♥Halloweenclaw 22:33, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
OMG this is so much better than mine... *is envious* Anyway, all I can see is that there should be a few more spots on the body, and maybe there could be a smoother transition between the stripes and the spots? Like, the spots, then some longer, thinner, more stripey-like spots, then some even longer spots, then stripes. Just my opinion :). --♫EchomistTalk♦Contribs 22:41, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Better? and thanks Echomist :)--♥Halloweenclaw 22:59, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Make the ear pink a touch darker and less cotton candy-ish. Also, break up the brown on the belly. Other than that, this is a very beautiful image. Love it. :) --Bramble-san 23:31, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Better?--*Minnowclaw* 02:10, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
It's really beautiful. The only things I can see is that theres a line between her legs and her nose looks almost white. --Spottedwing 02:53, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Better?--*Minnowclaw* 15:16, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Comments before approval? --Bramble-san 19:33, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Approved Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest 18:28, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
Adderfang - Approved
My first tabby. I know he needs some work, so let the constructive criticism begin! --HoneyfurBob's Your Uncle! 23:29, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Wow! Is this really your first tabby? It's excellent! Maybe just make a few more tabby markings on the tail and darken the shading, and he'll be ready. Nice job! -- Echoshriek Trick or treat! 23:41, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Make the ear pick more natural and darken the tabby stripes.--♥Halloweenclaw 23:52, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, guys! Is this better? Oh, by the way, when you say "more natural" for the ear pink, do you mean lighter or darker? --HoneyfurBob's Your Uncle! 16:00, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Well, right now it looks like an odd spot on the ear, I mean making it look like an ear pink more than it is right now.--♥Halloweenclaw 16:28, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Is this better? --HoneyfurBob's Your Uncle! 17:23, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Yes much.--*Minnowclaw* 18:57, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
I darkened the shading on his hind leg because I thought it looked odd. Is this okay? --HoneyfurBob's Your Uncle! 02:01, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
It's fine, i think it looks good.--*Minnowclaw* 12:52, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Comments before approval? --Bramble-san 19:33, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Approved Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest 18:31, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
Poolcloud (Q)- Approved
I used Gorsetail's image as a reference. Comments? Ashshadow My Clan
This looks very nice, Ashshadow! Maybe darken the shading, and blur the ear pink, but otherwise, she looks great! --HoneyfurBob's Your Uncle! 19:35, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Sorry ashshadow, but you need to wait until your other image is approved. Sconce it's had the 24 hour mark you can keep this up, but if someone makes a comment, you will have to take this down.--*Minnowclaw* 20:54, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Never mind the above comment. I just approved Clovertail. Just do as Honeyfur says, and it should be great. --Bramble-san 23:34, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Reuploaded I darkened the shading and blured the ear pink more. I know it dosen't matter now but this was going to bother me. Clovertail was my second image. Wasn't I allowed to have both her and Poolcloud up?--Ashshadow My Clan 01:39, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Yes you were actually allowed both Covertail and Poolcloud seeing as Daisy was already approved. Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest
O shoot Ashshadow! I thought that clovertail was your first. I'm a total idiot! I'm soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sorry! Please forgive me, I'm such an idiot! (Hits self on head repeatedly.)--*Minnowclaw* 14:12, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Comments before approval? --Bramble-san 19:33, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Approved Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest 18:34, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
Stick (R) - Approved
My first rogue...comments and suggestions? --Icethroat21Enter at risk 03:43, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
I see nothing.--*Minnowclaw* 15:55, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Wonderful job!--Mosspath of Skyclan 16:33, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Comments before approval? --Bramble-san 19:33, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Approved Sandy~Dragonkit's Forest 18:40, November 2, 2009 (UTC)


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09-13-2010 #161ahasverus Guest
Ok, thanks
I've copied the new bdemu.bin file to /proc/psfreedom/payload/ in my iphone.
Downloaded the rdx backup manager, I'll take a look tomorrow if this works.
It's 3 am here and I got to sleep.
09-13-2010 #162nikox Guest
Are we meant to add the new payload to the android.bin file in the android.img.gz file? Or replace android.bin with the payload?
Wiki says to copy to /proc/psfreedom/payload/ however I'm confused as to where that actually is.. hurr
09-13-2010 #163Kailj Guest
You have to add it to the contents of the android.img.gz, now android.img.gz is a gun zip file so you have to unzip it then mount the .img file that was in it in terminal then go to the directory find proc and add the files in under the various subfolders. Once that is all done you then have to recompile the .img file and gun zip it again. (All in linux)
This is not an easy task if you do not know what you are doing, I wouldn't suggest trying. Just wait... whole process will be streamlined within 1-2 weeks and won't have all the bugs etc.
09-13-2010 #164Vakich Guest
how about ipod 2/3g ? is it real?
09-13-2010 #165Kailj Guest
A Bit Of Clarity
Just to clear things up. This exploit is CURRENTLY only for:
iPod Touch 1G
iPhone 2G
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS
iPhone 4
iPod Touch 2G
iPod Touch 3G
This exploit will work on any iphone 4.0.1 or below that has been Jail-broken with either redsn0w or pwnagetool (any tool that uses pwnage style JB) and has Android (anykind) installed on there iphone with openiboot. (for OSX users i recommend iPhoDroid because it is a oneclick solution for android installation on a JB iPhone, windows/linux users will have to do it the hard way)
To do the exploit your iphone has to be plugged in whilst you start your ps3 when the xmb shows up you can unplug your iphone and will not have to use it until the next time you boot up your ps3. Period.
This current release will JB your PS3 but the ability to emulate BD rom is not working (cant play backup games). You can still run / install 3rd party unsigned code (FTP & toolkit). This code MAY work on SOME older games with the debug Backup Manager.
Like it says at Wiki: The experimental payload is still being tested but there are some reports of some older games working, but only with the above rdx_manager.pkg backup manager, and not the original or stealth versions. Whatever the case may be it is still very buggy.
With the rate of progress made over this weekend, I'd like to assume by monday next week we will have a full functioning solution.
A little about the exploit: The exploit emulates a USB HUB with 6 different devices on it which rapidly connect and disconnect with different device id's as it goes. This rapid connecting and disconnecting overloads the "HEAP" with code but not really (some code deletes itself) leaving enough room to place a special segment in there which opens a door for the "Payload" which has the code to add to lv2 gameos to tell it that its ok to install packages, other os, BD emulation e.t.c.
Peace out PS3 community :-)
09-13-2010 #166edDdy777 Guest
For some reason I really can't find a downloadlink on iphodroid.com
Can someone post a downloadlink or tell me where to download it for mac?
Thx, edDdy777
09-13-2010 #167Kailj Guest
iPhoDroid OSX
iPhoDroid link in attached document (file size was over the limit for Ps3News upload so I found a working MegaUpload link).
No thanks necessary :-)
09-13-2010 #168derry Guest
huge question. My friend has one of the phones which has a completed PSfreedom program. Can I use his phone to jailbreak my PS3 properly, then use my incomplete iphone PSfreedom to start the exploit?
09-13-2010 #169mklie Guest
from IPhoneLinux wiki
Update #4 [13.09.2010]: iphone3g binary above works with backup manager! I think NTAuthority is compiling for iTouch 1G, I don't have a kernel compiled for iPhone2G but you can try the 3G binary on your 2G (I think it should work?)
download 3g kernel
09-13-2010 #170dasvicky Guest
Yeah, its a good news. Its working as expected for Iphone 3G on 4.0.1. I just played a game of uncharted with God of war dsk in the tray.
I wish I knew how to create another boot option to use Andriod. Wanted to try out android as well..


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If you're getting an incoming call and you want to quickly silence the iPhone, just hit either of the volume buttons to instantly silence the ringer. This will immediately mute the iPhone and stop the ringer from sounding any alert or vibration, but it does not send the call to voicemail so the caller won't have any idea that you aren't listening to the phone ring.
Because it's so easy to tap one of the side volume buttons and they are easy to tell apart from touch alone, this is a great strategy to mute calls while a phone is in your pocket. I use this all the time for one-off occurrences like while you're waiting in line at a public place, in the middle of a conversation, or if you're in a meeting, or any other places where letting the phone ring aloud is considered distracting or rude.
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German physicist Albert Einstein once warned that should honeybees disappear, so would our global food supply. "No more bees ... no more men," he said.
Colony collapse disorder, or CCD, describes the vast and mysterious dying off of U.S. honeybees. The U.S. Department of Agriculture, or USDA, reports that honeybees are disappearing in large numbers and that no one really knows why it's happening.
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The main symptom observed in honeybee populations affected by CCD is a very low, or even no, adult honeybee presence in the hive and no dead bodies present. The mystery of where the missing honeybees have gone is at the root of the CCD honeybee epidemic in the U.S.
The Agricultural Research Service, the research branch of the USDA, reports that the U.S. honeybee colony population fell 21.9 percent nationwide between 2011 and 2012. While this figure is lower than it was in previous years -- honeybee colony populations declined by 30 percent between 2010 and 2011 and 29 percent between 2008 and 2009 -- scientists are most worried about the fact that the bees are disappearing with no trace of where they've gone. From Time:
On normal years, commercial beekeepers might expect to lose 10% to 15% of their colony, but over the past five years, mortality rates for commercial operations in the U.S. have ranged from 28% to 33%. Since 2006 an estimated 10 million beehives worth about $200 each have been lost, costing beekeepers some $2 billion. There are now 2.5 million honeybee colonies in the U.S., down from 6 million 60 years ago.
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Scientists first identified CCD in 2006 when some U.S. beekeepers reported unusually high losses of up to 90 percent of their honeybee colonies. While beekeepers have reported unusual honeybee colony losses before -- in 1903, 2,000 honeybee colonies in Utah disappeared under mysterious circumstances -- the recent disappearance of honeybees is most alarming because there is no clear pattern as to why it's happening.
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In colonies affected by CCD, varroa mites, which cause a deadly disease in bees called varroatosis, are often found to be present in the hives. However, researchers can't find a clear link between the mites and CCD.
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Honeybees in the U.S. agriculture industry are constantly being moved from one location to another. One theory is that the stress of being in constant flux, coupled with apiary crowding, might be causing CCD.
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Some honeybee colonies are unintentionally exposed to pesticides. This, along with pollen scarcity and limited access to water, is thought to be one of a number of environmental factors that could be causing CCD. One study from 2010 even purports that cell phone radiation is screwing up the honeybees' ability to navigate.
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Common Questions and Answers about Antibiotics used epididymitis
Hello Butch_b
if an infection is suspected. It is unusual to be infection for so long. Which all antibiotics you have been? Was there any discontinuation in the therapy? Epididymitis is a medical condition in which there is inflammation of the epididymis. Unusually infecion might not be the cause like in the conditions such as Reflux of sterile urine (urine without bacteria) through the ejaculatory ducts may cause inflammation with obstruction.
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Hi, From the age of about 30 in 1995 until several years later in 2003, I used to get either
or orchitis about every 3 to 4 months. I
to end up being admitted four about 3 to 5 days at a time. During these times in hospital I received many different antibiotics. They would usually prescribe Cipro for a couple of weeks once I returned home. My first few infections of the urinary tract were also combined with prostatitis.
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Hi, I'm a 44 y/o male and I
to get epididymitus at least every 3 to 4 months. On me they
Cipro and they usually admitted me to the local hospital. In 1999 I looked into the possibility of getting a vasectomy as we had four children by that time and we were sure that we did not want any more children. The reason for wanting a vasectomy was different though.
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You're correct, STIs (Sexual Transmitted Infections) such as Gonorrhea and Chlamydia are the most common causes of epididymitis.
(ATB) are needed to treat bacterial
. It may take several courses of ATBs to clear the infection - so be sure to consult your physician once you complete your first ATB. It may take as long as three months to total clear the Epididymitis. It can be tricky.
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to come down with
about every 3 to 4 months, requiring a hopsital stay and a course of antibiotics treatment by IV. Each time that it seemed to be about ok, I came down with another bout. I used to take several months before the symptoms seemed to return to normal. After my wife and I had 3 children I decided on a vasectomy. Since then I have not had any more problems with epididymitis. I realize that this might not be an option to some of you. All the best.
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Hello, These symptoms can be due to recurrent
, varicocele or hydrocele. Chronic
is characterized by epididymal pain and inflammation that lasts more than 6 weeks and may be accompanied by scrotal induration. Please get an evaluation done from a urologist and get all these three possibilities ruled out. I hope it helps. Take care and regards.
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Hi, Based on what you have posted, you have been managed well and follow up tests showed that everything appears to be normal.You have completed your course of antibiotics and a testicular ultrasound (is this correct?) was done which also did not show significant findings. I suggest that you continue to observe your symptoms.At this point,there seems to be no indication for immediate intervention.
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Depending on what organism is the cause of the
, your physician may be able to change
, however, your allergy to penicillin may limit the options. Doxycycline may be an alternative, but this is often used in combination with another antibiotic.
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I have been suffering from
on my right testicle from last 4 months. I have been on different antibiotics (cipro, levo) for several weeks. I am virgin so no STD. All my tests came up negative (urinalysis, urine culture, sperm analysis etc). Sometime I have burning sensation in testicle. As far as the pain is concerned i never had unbearable pain I always have this dull ache and discomfort when I sit for long period of time in chair.
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I believe i may have had it before but I took a prescription of doxycycline to prevent affliction from malaria when i travelled to ghana last summer, the antibiotic which I read can be
to treat epidiymitis and the pain was relieved as least as far as i can remember. Following recent sexual activity again, the pain seems to have returned, sporadic as before. does this sound like epididymitis and should i seek medical attention?
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Prostate was checked as well. Thhough no one has made this diagnosis, I'm pretty sure it's
, but I don't know what caused it. Be it an std or other bacteria. I was very angry that the urologist has no clue as to what was going on, and that he said the groin pain was unrelated, yet my testicle feels almost perfect, rapidly after having taken macrobid. I'm in my late 20's, sothey say epididymitis from stds is the most common thing.
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Is it common to not prescribe
? 2. What is the likelihood it spreads to the testicles-especially without medication? 3. Is there a chance that I could become infertile? 4. Is there anything I can do to help speed the recovery? (Any over the counter medicines or drinks foods I should be having) 5. Is there anything I can do for the pain when it comes? 6. What is the likelihood that this becomes Chronic Epididymitis? 7.
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My first visit with him we ran ultra sounds on my testicles and kidneys, and he concluded I had
(no kidney issues). He prescribed
(Cravit, a form similar to Levoflaxicin) and I continued to take the meds as prescribed, which gradually reduced the pain somewhat. Upon my check up two weeks later I still had symptoms (discharge, dull aches), and therefore the doctor and I agreed to run more tests. He ran a prostate examination, an STD test, and a urinalysis.
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My husband has been suffering with penis/testicular/groin pain since last summer 2008. At first he had prostitis but then even after taking
for months, his pain would not go away. It was excrutiating pain for him at times and he was just miserable. Well finally I do have some good news... Although his condition is not completely resolved, we did have some success at our urologist #4 in January!
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Hi, I
to get hospitalized for
and got an IV antibiotics when Cipro would usually not get the infections under control. I think that one of them started with Retro. The rest I don't remember. Usually after about a week things started to get better. Later on I used to get orchitis and required hospital stays as well. I used to get it about every 3 or 4 months. After a vasectomy I no longer get it. Worrier77, I used to be on Cipro regularly and still have to take it on and of.
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In the last couple of months I have noticed my semen has a yellow ish tinge to it( more yellow if i haven't *** in a couple of days). I have in the last 6 years always
a condom for sex, but have received oral unprotected. The girlfriend giving me oral about 9 months ago had tonsillitis either side of the act and had her tonsils removed about 1 week after. Due to this I am concerned I may have picked up an infection from the cause of the tonsillitis.
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I didn't realize you had started the cipro so recently.
do not work instantaneously; even the most effective
against the most susceptible infections typically don't improve symptoms in less than 24 hours and it's usually 2-3 days. That your pain got worse after reassurance doesn't really say very much one way or the other. The association of pain or other symptoms with stress, psychological influences, etc rarely follows a straightforward course.
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I was diagnosed with
about 2 months ago and after 10 days of doxycycline (1 pill a day) from my urologist the pain in my left testicle was completely gone. After one week of pain free, a mild, more of a aching soreness came back on the left testicle and also a mild shooting pain by my left leg (not sure if it's related, but I did go to the gym the week I felt better) Does epididymitis just take a while to heal, or is this a recurrence?
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In chronic
, a 4- to 6-week trial of
for bacterial pathogens, especially against chlamydial infections, is appropriate. in addition, reduction in physical activity, cold compresses, analgesics and sitz baths will help. Please follow up with your urologist. I hope it helps. Take care and regards.
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I have been suffering from chronic
and Balanitis for the last 6 months after unprotected intercourse. I was tested negative for all STDs (gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, hiv, syphillis, and many more) and autoimmune disorders. Initially tested positive for Candida Albacins after noticing some red spots on the penis glans. Went through a series of antifungal creams (because it kept coming back) until it finally disappeared without recurrence.
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Hi, I
to come down with this about every 3 to 4 months requiring a hospital admission. Some of the pain would radiate down into my legs. It usually would take me about a month or so to get over it.
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6 months ago the disconfort increased and I had severe pain (a 9 out of 10 in the pain scale) in the left testicle. This was diagnose as
by several urologist (3 at least) and initially treated with antibiotics Cipro (first, 4 weeks), Cipro (again 4 weeks), Bactrim (6 weeks), Cipro XR (6 weeks) and lately Dyoxicyclin (2 weeks).... After the initial treatment the pain went down (in two weeks) from 9 (out of 10 in the apin scale) to severity 2 or 3, and has remain that way since.
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Was given 7 days of Augmentin despite the negative test and diagnosed with
. Problem seemed to resolve by the followup and finishing of course. 3-4 days later pain returned. Sent to hospital for ultrasound to check for testicular torsion. Negative and was told there were no anomalies. Burning after urination did not exist. Went to urologist was given another antibiotic for 7 days. Issue was nearly gone by end but not entirely. Received another 7 days worth.
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I used Difluconazone (
for yeast infections) for a month and Elmiron. I had too many
and that left me with a yeast infection (guys can get it too!) and my prostate blew up. Diflucan and Elmiron helped immensely!
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Minor pain in the left testicle, no swelling of the testicle, treated with
. Since 1994, I have had two altrasounds (last one 7/99), of the testicles showing some swelling of the epididymis at the testicle, thin line from there all the way back. The testicles are clear with excellent blood flow. I believe that this problem began in 1986 when I got a urinary track infection which was treated and cleared up.
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Minor pain in the left testicle, no swelling of the testicle, treated with
. Since 1994, I have had two altrasounds (last one 7/99), of the testicles showing some swelling of the epididymis at the testicle, thin line from there all the way back. The testicles are clear with excellent blood flow. I believe that this problem began in 1986 when I got a urinary track infection which was treated and cleared up.
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Is it common to not prescribe
? 2. What is the likelihood it spreads to the testicles-especially without medication? 3. Is there a chance that I could become infertile? 4. Is there anything I can do to help speed the recovery? (Any over the counter medicines or drinks foods I should be having) 5. Is there anything I can do for the pain when it comes? 6. What is the likelihood that this becomes Chronic Epididymitis? 7.
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All drugs under the class of fluroquinolones have similar side effects. The other
which could
in this are tetracyclines. Also, consider getting prostrate exam done to see if there is any enlargement. Discuss with your doctor and follow his advise on this. Best.
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I am unaware of a urological disease or infection that is caused by running. 4) There are several studies suggesting that use or prophylactic
can be
to curb recurrent UTIs. However, in the case of epididymitis, this has not been studied thoroughly. I am unaware of an consensus data regarding whether diet or vitamins can help curb infections. 5) It is certainly possible to have multiple infections (i.e prostatitis and epididymitis).
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