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Why i should buy supra ?
Looking at the 2014 supra line and i think they are the best looking boats out there ! My question is how is there build quality ???
excellent…. buy it. use it. love it. and then post pictures.
All the supras i have looked at seem to have great vinyl and the overall build seems great ! Why are thay not considered in the big 3 ?? They look miles ahead of malibu imo !
because as far as the history of tournament boats they probably weren't at the same level as the "big 3". That said "the big 3" is kind of stupid now. Pretty much all the boats are built well and nice.
In my opinion Supra and Malibu appear to pretty similar in build style/quality. I think they have some similar styling ques as well although Supra's seem to be a little edgier right now. It probably isn't a huge surprise that they have some similarities though. i think there are more than a few people with skier's choice now that used to be with Malibu.
Miles ahead of a Malibu? To me, they look more like a Malibu than any other boat. Pretty much a Malibu with a nautique tower. Which makes sense, considering most of their design team came from Malibu.
I think Supras are a great boat, and I took a look at them when I was shopping this year. The thing that kept me out of a Supra was the price. The SA was in the price range of the 23LSV and X30.
Not to say the other two are any better/worse, but I feel that Supra is still in the league where they should come with a price advantage, even if it was only 5 or 10k on a 100k boat.
My opinion is obvious since I bought an SA. I think Supra has always been solid but took a step forward with SA and SC. They should be mentioned alongside the big three. I had the opposite experience on price. My experience was that a Supra has more standard options, which made it a good value against a similarMalibu.
There's no question that I would be in a new SA if I were to go buy the boat of my choice right now. Hands down the best looking boat on the water inside and out and they handle amazingly. Awesome wakeboard wake and a ton of standard features at a price that is competitive with the competition.
I just ordered a new Supra SC. Should have it next month. I have had several Supra's and there is no question the new Supra's are every bit as nice as a Malibu. Many would say nicer now, but that is in the eye of the beholder. I agree in the past it was a really nice boat with lots of options and you got it for $10K less than a Malibu. I kind of get the feeling that is not the goal anymore. I think they want to be a premium boat at a similar cost to the "big 3". There is no question they are doing it as well. I have always been a Supra supporter and fan, but like to think I did not have the owner goggles. I really respect and respected all the brands and really consider each one, when I get a new boat. I realized the older Supra (in years past) might not have been quite as plush as a Malibu and Mastercraft, but it was loaded with more features, a good build, a great wake, and cost quite a bit less. That was my sweet spot. A sweet boat for less money. The new direction seems to be high quality, great wake and surf, very plush and loaded with options. Of course this is going to cost more. Over time we will see if there price increase will hold in the market place, but there is no question it is every bit as nice as "the big 3" in 2014. From what I have seen they have built a great dealer network too and that is important, so make sure you have a good dealer close by and start building a relationship with them. That would speak volumes to me. I will tell you, I spent more money on my new boat than I ever imagined spending, but I also see the value compared to the others out there. Don't get me wrong, I think the prices on all these boats are nuts, but when you compare features, quality, etc. Supra deserves to be right up against the others now.
I really don't see the resemblance to Malibu that Eric stated above. Maybe the SA looks a bit like an MXZ from a profile picture, but once you get up close, I don't think they are that similar at all. Interior is different and exterior contour is totally different. That is just me though maybe cause I have been in and around both. Not sure the other poster has. That would be the only similarity and if that was your point, I would give you that. The SC is nothing like a Malibu or any other boat out there. The 242 is not like any other boats in the Malibu line either. So not real sure if that comparison that Eric made was just the SA or what?
Another note: The "big 3" has not really been the big 3 for some time. I believe roughly 5 years ago Skiers Choice as a whole (Supra and Moomba) took the number 3 spot behind Malibu and Mastercraft. I am not sure if this is till the case, but I assume it is safe to say it is. I know "big 3" is more of just a generalization, but just for those that were not aware.
You really think supra and moomba are ahead of Nautique???
Diggs- It is mostly the styling "cues" that I am referring to. (General Gel pattern types, Lounge area shape and layout, guage layout, carpeted seat bases, and just like the general feel and design of things like the grab handles, vinyl texture, seat patterns, etc......)
I don't know...... Maybe it is just me??? When I am in a Supra, I feel like I am in a Malibu, which is certainly not a bad thing, Right?? Whereas a MasterCraft or Nautique, has a completely different feel, look, shape, etc, than any other brand. No better, but completely different.
I certainly wasn't saying there is anything wrong with it. But a lot of Skiers Choice design team is Malibu oriented, and I seem to feel that in the newer Supras. Maybe I only feel that because I know a lot of Malibus old staff is now with SC. It might be a psychological thing for me.
I don't believe you are quantifying "ahead" the same way that Diggs is. I believe Diggs is referring to sales numbers. Whether you personally think a Nautique is better than a Skiers Choice boat means objectively nothing.
I think he meant from a sales numbers stand point. How do we define the big "3"?? Are we talking number of units sold? Companies value or yearly financial statements?? Or are we talking something far more quantifiable, like opinions of quality and fit and finish? What standard is used to define Mastercraft, Nautique, and Malibu as the big 3? Like Ford claims the F series is the best selling truck in America, they are basing that on Units sold. So what is the Criteria?
I think some people might be surprised how the units sold numbers break down.
Aric Brabec and RB- Yes I am only say "the big 3" in sales numbers. After all, that is where the term came from. Malibu, Mastercraft and Nautique kind of jockeyed those positions for years. Not saying one is better than the other at all. Sorry about any confusion.
Eric - Yes I see what you are saying now when you put it like that and I tend to agree with you. Maybe that is why Malibu and Supra have always been much more appealing to me than Mastercraft and Nautique...
I am coming from a Malibu going to a Supra and what made us change brands was the features we got and the price. Before we decided on the SA, I spent time in the MXZ and the SA sitting side by side. Both brands are great there are some things that I like more about the Malibu's then the SA's and vice versa. What really sold us on the SA over the MXZ was the dash lay out really like having both options for switches and gauges.
I am shopping again, and actually going to check out the new 14 Supras this afternoon. I will see how I feel about them this year. I have narrowed my search to the SA, 23LSV, and the X30. I gotta run through them again before I decide. The LSV is last in the running right now, mostly because it is 12k more than the other 2. Which I think is mostly on the dealer..... With similar discount percentages, it would be about the same price as the other 2.
^ Truth
Do you guys actually bring extra bags and load these boats with ballast when testing them? Because to me how one handled would make pretty much zero diff to me. I mean if it took 2 days to get on plane or scooped up tons of water coming off plane that would be important. But handling would be way behind, build, wake shape, ergonomics and cost.
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Well I can tell you they don't stand behind their product. My buddy bought a 2013 supra 22v launch I think. $80k range on close out. Found out the hull had 3 foot voids on each side of it. Supra now won't even return his phone calls or respond to his emails. The dealer basically told him today that he doesn't want to have any thing to do with it and needs to take it up with supra directly.
So your buddy just bought a close out 2013 Supra 22V Launch. I'm assuming it was recently as you said it was a close out and dealers are just now closing out 2013's. I am also assuming he has used it little to none as it must have been purchased this winter. So he has discovered it has 3 foot voids(void is another term for HOLE) on each side of the hull?? Now on this brand new boat, that must have full warranty as its a 2013 and he just bought it, the dealer has told him to go away and refuses to help in anyway. Next Supra is telling him to pack sand and refusing to talk to him? Do I have it about right? How did he miss the 3 foot holes in the side of the hull at time of purchase?
I am not a supra guy and have no dog in the fight, but this just sounds like garbage to me. I have personally talked with a number of people from Supra over the years shopping boats. They are a standup outfit from my experience. This doesn't sound like the way they do business at all. If nothing else tell him to get on here and PM Rick Tinker who is the CEO/ President of Supra. He posts on here and I know they watch the threads. Tell him to call the factory, I am sure someone will answer the phone. I am sure there are some on here who can offer other Points of Contact at the factory.
I'm not 100% certain, but I am pretty sure they didn't even make a Launch 22V in 2013!!
Pics or it didn't happen.
Who buys a boat with holes in it? Was that a selling point for a quick fill ballast or something? Bet that boat gets slammed really quickly!
Why should you buy a Supra??? " Cause Stone Cold say's so!" That's why.
I recently checked out a sa350 at the Greensboro boat show and was extremely impressed. Really looked well put together and everything seemed great quality. I liked the fact that u have both switches and screen info and controls. The only thing I didn't like was the accordion boot around the bottom of the seat. Other than that I liked the boat a lot overall.
Curtis Hunter,
I will look into this matter, asap. Your friend can contact me at firstname.lastname@example.com. I look forward to hearing from him and getting to the bottom of this situation.
Rick Tinker
I am part of Supra's promo team, and my son is a Supra rider, so you have a right to say I'm biased. However I will still answer your question and you can believe me or say I'm just towing the company line.
This past year we rode the 2013 Supra SA450. This boat represents in my opinion a statement from Supra that they were bringing their boats to a new level. For me, the most notable accolades for the SA goes to the handling. Even loaded down as we do with 4500# the boat turns on a time, zero cavitation, and handles not just well, but exceptionally well. The 2014 SC should match everything on this (I haven't personally driven it) because the running surface is identical to the SA.
The wake is long and clean and, importantly, clean down to speeds as low as 17-19mph. This is huge because most people are not pro wakeboarders and many will have at least some new riders. Having said that, the wake and "regular" wake speeds is super clean, big, and consistent. It is not as "lippy" as previous Launch models, but has a longer ramp. Preferred in my opinion. My son got used to the rampy wake of the Launch when we were on that, but is was quite different that most boats so, in my opinion, the transition from a Launch to another wake boat was more difficult. Not true for the more rampy wake of the SA. Of course it can be customized with the smart plate as desired.
I love our interior, vinyl, computerized dash. I especially love two things: 1) heated drivers seat...so awesome here in the Midwest; and 2) I opted for the snap out Chilwitch liner vs. the snap out carpet. I'm not a carpet guy and the line was awesome.
We toured the factory a few weeks ago. Lots I could say but I will just say this one thing. Every single Supra goes through 3 different QC checks to identify issues, and every single Supra is inspected by a select group of management (I believe there are only 5 that can do this) before it is released to leave the factory. They are serious about making sure the boats that go out go out right.
On a side note, you will notice that Supra's president, Rick Tinker, often monitors boards, comments (even in the face of critique) and participates in discussions. I think this says something about how serious he, in particular, is about keeping his pulse on what the community is saying.
Hope this helps!
Agree handling is behind the others. We ride the SA450 with 4500# ballast and don't have an issue planing. Have heard of a new prop they are using that is even better. And the shape of the wake is really really sweet. Really clean, consistent, and doesn't curl over. Having said that, handling is really extraordinary.
Ironically I responded to this message before reading the entire thread (go ahead throw stuff). I laughed when I saw the post just before mine was Rick's. Case in point.
I own a SAN, bought new in 2003, but years on this forum(&others), I continue to be impressed with Mr. Tinkers involvement on the message boards. I have no plans to replace the best towboat ever built(make an argument for the 205V & I'll listen), but if I caved to more room, guarantee Supra would be on the list. (They would have to sell me out of market)
My name is Brandon and just started looking at supra hull defects on the Internet and low and behold came across a blog that was talking about me and my boat.......
Ironic. Swear had no idea Curtis put this on here and said what he did. And yes he is a friend and knows the story as well. He was there with me when i bought my boat and there when skiers choice did all the test in lake and out of lake, and all the mesaurments to the boat, he has been on the boat about 15 times and knows what the boat is doing and how dangerous it is. Curtis can testify as a witness to all the accounts and and accusations that I am about to discuss so yall, and dont think im some angry cunsumer who did not get somthing for free and now going to bash the company. What i am is a middle class married with 3 kids family man just trying to get by in this very, over expensive industry. Someone who always vouches for a company that takes care of there cunsumers and stands behind there products. A person who does not mind telling people yes, you should buy from them or no you should not based on facts not oppinion.Goes to show you what Internet can do. So I joined this sight, along with many of others is where I will be telling my story from the beginning of last August 2013 when I bought my yes (2013 launch 22v) from a Texas
Dealer and where the boat ended up, what was done, what was not done, and will be done in the future for my experience with supra and many people who work for skiers choice. I have been dealing with many many issues with my boat from day one and now it's time to tell the truth about the boat manufacture skiers choice and what and who is involved. Rick, mention my name as soon as you want and you will soon find out that I am not a liar, bashing, attacking, or looking to devalue the supra or skiers choice name but am ready to tell the truth about what I know about some of the models of boats and why they are discontinued and what facts I have been going through for 9 months now with everyone shrugging the shoulders, not answering emails, phone calls, or returning them. I have given the company 9 months to resolve the issue with my boat and enough is enough. Curtis is not making this up and I promise the story will start from day 1 and give all the story and explanation of my experience with supra boats and skiers choice. Once again this is my story and no one else's, they are not opinions but facts of my story. Boat dealership names, company owners, employee names, or supra and skiers choice employee names will not or ever be used so don't even ask. Got your attention? Bet I do.....
Tuned in. This could be an EPIC thread.
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I will definitely do some more research and see what is going on. I am traveling today to a boat show but will get with you on Monday, Please drop me a note via email, if you dont mind, so that I have a more direct line of communication. Our customer service manager emailed me some notes last night regarding your situation and I would be glad to discuss those with you and make sure we are all on the same page.
Again my apologies for any confusion that may exist and we look forward to resolving this situation.
@chillaxn. I'll take that pay check you bet. I'm sure Brandon has sent that email.
What's funny to me is Brandon has been dealing with this for 9 months and nothing has been done. I make one post on public forum that they apparently are trolling and now some one named Rick wants to get involved. Where has he been the last 9 months. Traveling I bet. Boat shows. And it's funny that he post the please email me in the public forum when he could pm me. Looks like he is probably in public relations.
Hahahaha you mean rick as in the owner?...yes, the OWNER.
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Why i should buy supra ?
Also, we're waiting on this story patiently.
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Well glad to hear that the owner is this well connected.
details details details, what is the reasoning for the long intro with no plot? help others with knowledge they may need to know before they spend their hard earned money as well. most of us are middle class and don't have 80k-125k to blow or p!ss away and not be fazed. give us the scoop
Of course he is connected. It's wakeworld. The largest wake site on the internet. Supra sells wake boats. Of course "some guy named rick" would frequent this site. Skiers choice is not a small company. So I could see where it could take some time to get up the chain to rick. I have seen him post on here personally many times to give info/help customers. Try getting that out of malibu/nautique/MC.
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nine months before any involvement from top of the ladder though???? are we all to believe that this is the first that has been heard of this man's claims with his boat? surely seems if so that several underneath rick are incompetent are at the very least not properly doing their jobs in relaying and getting necessary people involved. based on the intro I already know their has to be something serious going on and im willing to bet rick will now get this man into another boat to keep his information quiet and away from the public. got be a public relations and internet nightmare for supra. I still say I was impressed with the sa350 I saw at Greensboro boat show but this info could be extremely important to prospective buyers
Way (way) back to the original reason for the thread...why should you buy a Supra? Because the owner takes time out of his day to read message boards and address customer concerns, even in the face of someone being highly critical of his company. I literally never read these boards. Only came on yesterday to check of if there was discussion of the change in format of the Pro Tour. Saw the post and created an account so I could add my 2 cents (on a topic that doesn't seem to be the greater concern anymore :) ) and was again impressed to see Rick's involvement. Don't know anything about the situation, but I'm sure Rick will address it appropriately. He's a stand up guy and does what is right.
what he does or doesn't do remains to be seen. what is apparent is that this supra owner sounds pretty legit and seems to be a gigantic storm for supra waiting to happen. hope they do the right thing and get him squared away and hope all involved come to a resolution they can live with. I think the owner is reluctant to play his last hand in the game until he gives the owner/ceo one last chance to take care of him. if rick does then we will probably never hear the true story and details on what really went down. what is a safe bet to me is that he has been failed by his dealer and the first few tiers of supra customer service. again my question is why nine months and why is rick just now hearing about this. im sorry but I don't believe this is the very first time hes heard about this if the problem is as serious as the post sounds. It shouldn't take the fear of public information leaked to get the boat owner service and adequate care. If we don't ever hear the details and rick does help out the buyer then his next step should be to go down his chain of command and determine why so many failed for so long to take care of the customer and why he was never informed about it, that is IF this is truly his first knowledge of the claims
Giant storm? 1 bad boat. Lets remember these are handmade custom products. Not assembly line robot assembled mass produced cars. We don't even know the story. Why would the owner know about warranty issues on a single boat? Supra makes 100's if not 100's of boats a year. They have 1000's of warranty claims a year. You think the owner knows about every one? How could he? You think the CEO of Malibu knows about warranty claims..nope. Someone has a job to handle that. At Supra someone is in charge of that and it isn't the company President, I'm betting
I feel for the guy, but lets hear the story before we throw all the blame on Supra. I had a lemon boat about 10 years ago and fought and fought with the company. But I can tell you looking back that my expectations were unrealistic. I wanted them to replace my boat and nots just not something that is done. Maybe that is the case here, I don't know. If its gotten to the point that the dealer has stepped out then I am guessing expectations are a problem. I've never heard a Supra dealer say that Supra hung them out to dry or left them hanging. My guess is this gentleman wants a new boat or wants all his money back which isn't a realistic expectation. I would like to hear the story before I pass judgement on either party. But having been to this party I am feeling something doesn't add up.
So Brandon lets hear it…..
Al Gore's interwebs are awesome.
I think it is pretty cool that Rick posts on here from time to time. His son(at least I think it is his son) Drew posts as well. I don't know of any other owners or C level execs from boat companies that have posted on wakeworld.
Back to the topic. I don't know from personal experience but from everything I have heard and seen(at boat shows) is that the SA and SC are legit boats. They seem to come with all the fancy stuff included in the price and have some great features. From what everybody has posted on hear the wake performance and driving characteristics are great. The one thing I have noticed from various posts that sticks out to me about the SA(the SC is too new but should be similar) is that the 350hp 5.7L is plenty of motor even with full plug and play ballast and a good sized crew. I am sure some is the weight distribution and hull design but also partly because of the smart plate. Most boats in this size/weight range seem to need at minimum the 400hp to perform decent.
Mike you hit it on the head.
Ive owned 4 skiers choice boats and can say they DO stand behind their products. Ive never had an issue with haveing a warranty issue taken care of. Ill continue to buy them as they KICK ASS here for service work and the dealer is great, has a great reputation, and takes care of the customers. Id buy it
Or maybe a change of attitude would have gotten him further. Example, simply taking the time to email rick first and not make a huge rant. I have a feeling the poster and his friend have had this attitude all along which will get you nowhere.
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Why you should buy a Supra? Because they didn't cut the Women, Jr Men, and even the Ams out of their events!!!!!
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I have to chime in and say it is way early for people to be jumping on this. There is probably much more on both sides. I have a sneaking feeling (and I have no idea) that he bought a boat from a Supra dealer that is no longer a supra dealer and this is where his problems started. I know there was a big Supra dealer in TX that is no longer a Supra dealer. We will see, but I bet it has something to do with a dealer no longer being a dealer and that dealer not wanting to help out after they no longer carried the brand. The steps you would take for a claim could be difficult for the normal boat owner without the assistance of your dealer. It sure would piss me off also. Enough to get on a public forum and air my laundry. What I can tell you is I have had several Supra's and have worked with my dealer (awesome) on any issue I have had. I have had several supras and really never had any serious claim. Maybe popped stitch in the vinyl or similar, but no major issues. All of the manufacturers have small warranty claims. I can tell you I have gotten them handled quick, but I have a good dealer. All manufacturers can also can have 1 or 2 major issues I would bet. Trust me I have heard of major issues and seen them first hand on some of the "Big 3" boats. They can happen, but they get taken care of, hopefully. Look at the car biz. They have the same issues all the time and you don't hear about it. Of course no one wants to have it happen to them and nor does that manufacturer. Do manufacturers want this stuff aired on a public forum? Of course not. Would you with your business? It is how you take care of it. I have met Rick personally and chatted with him many times and I know that if I had an issue or any Supra owner had an issue he would make sure it was handled before he moved onto his next task. It is not really his job, but he wants to make it his and that is why he is on here. I still believe there is more to this story...........................
Do I want to hear more on this? hellll yeah..... My guess is if both parties are smart they would not be airing it all on a public forum. With litigation nowadays it could only harm either's situation and not help their cause. No reason to inflame either party or you really won't get anywhere.
In conclusion..... I have no knowledge of anything about this situation. If there really is an issue, I know Supra will take care of it cause they are awesome. I have worked with them a bunch and will continue to keep Supra at the top of my list every time I buy a new boat. Trust me, I compare with each manufacturer every time I buy and not only is the product great, but the service.
Can you explain the 3 foot voids on each side and how you came to find out about them? What exactly do you mean, like a void in the foam?
And also, if you bought the boat in august how has it been 9 months that you have been dealing with this problem. I'm no mathematician but that only adds up to 6 months.
^^And thats if he bought early August and found the voids the day he bought it!!
BINGO ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Brandon stated that he and Curtis have been out 15 times together. Who keeps using a boat that has "dangerous" issues???
Uh oh haha
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If the OP's time frame is correct from above this is not the case at all. Unless I am mistaken the dealer your referring to was out of the market in 2012 and not 2013 and all left over inventory went to the new dealer.
In my experience with Supra they have fixed everything on my boat with little issue. My service guy has been awesome and has never told me he had any issues with Supra to get something paid for. I have had quite of few issues with my boat here and there but all have been resolved.
Ill agree 100%
I also owned a Supra from 2009-2011, there customer service was excellent, I never had a problem with any warranty work on the boat. Overall the boat was solid, there product has improved 10 fold since my ownership, I also like how Rick Tinker visits this site and the Supra forum.
Its time to re-join the skiers choice family Travis. We miss you!
As a dealer who handles Skiers Choice on a daily basis, I have nothing but good things to say about them and how they handle their day to day activities and customer service. We deal with quite a few different manufacturers and it is hard to come up with one that is as customer oriented as Skiers Choice. While I feel bad for the guy that has had some troubles with his boat, some things are not quite adding up. I do not know many manufacturers ownership group that will come on a forum (including other brands that we carry) to help solve problems. I think that says alot about the company.
With that being said, as far as an answer to the OP question...I would buy a Supra for the following reasons:
They have a great balance of build quality, latest and greatest electronics, and price.
Their handling in my opinion is very hard to beat.
Their wakes can hang in there with some of the best.
Supra has the SWELL system.
Now before I get all the flaming for being a dealer on here, know that I have owned and ridden all of the big boys. These boats can hang with the best of them. They have improved 10 fold in the last few years. Go to your nearest show or dealer and check them out. You will not be disappointed. Again I know many of you will say I am biased due to carrying the brand, but trust me I have been doing this too long to say something that isn't accurate. If they were junk, I would tell you. Good luck in your search. Find something that works for you and get out on the water!
Everyone i know who owns a Supra has been happy with them. There is a Supra dealer at the lake i frequent and they sell plenty. So if there were service issues news would travel. News travels faster on the water as that's our leisure time being affected. Like many service issues i hear about,Most are expectation issues. Customers expectations are different than the servicing dealers expectations. Letting the customer know up front a realistic time table for resolving their issues is the best approach. Then follow up on the progress and notify the customer of any expected delays. That way the customer knows their business is valued or their complaint is being taken seriously and trying to be resolved in a timely manner.I doubt there's a realistic expectation on Brandon's part. That's not to say he doesn't have an issue,just what he expects to be the resolution most likely isn't realistic. I guess we will all find out "As Wakeworld Turns"………..
They're a very nice boat, as are most dedicated watersports boats. The only thing I can say is my brother was a marine mechanic for years at a Moomba/Supra/Nautique dealer. He says to anyone who will listen to spend the same money on a well cared for 10-15 year old Nautique, MasterCraft or Malibu that you would on any other boat new and you will come out ahead in the long run. If you only plan to keep the boat for 10-15 years anyway, probably not much of an issue. We buy them to keep for life. We have boats in he family from 54,62,75,78,85 and 93. Take good care of a good boat and you'll be able to keep it. Others want to upgrade to the latest/greatest and trade off a perfectly good boat, understandable, and in that case it's hard to go wrong with any tournament style ski/board boat.
My opinion, I could be wrong.
So whatever happened with this defective supra or was it all just a bunch of crap to threaten supra so somebody could whine and try to get their way? Where's the stay tuned guy with legit info after putting supra on blast?
Moomba had him killed
Option 1
They want take the boat cut the bottom half of the hull out and put a new bottom hull on it. They said it should take 5 months.
Trade boat in on different boat. Spend $10,000.00 to do so.
The reason he kept taking the boat out after realizing something was wrong was because the dealer told us to. They wanted him to try different ballast set ups.
So your saying the boat had holes in it(voids) and the dealer said keep using it so you can try differece ballast sets ups?? I suppose they said just run the bilge pump and it will be ok?
I'm curious about the spend $10K comment. Is this that the new boat costs 10K more or are you saying Supra is expecting you to take a 10K depreciation hit on a claimed defective boat?
I thought you said the dealer told him to deal with Supra direct? Now they told you to go out 15 times and try different ballast knowing there were voids in the boat? From a liability stand point I find that incredibly hard to believe. Truthfully I find most of this situation incredibly hard to believe and while Rick Tinker doesn't need my praise, I have seen first hand how he takes care of Skiers Choice customers and it is above top notch. These guys travel more days out of the year than they are home, talk to more customers than they probably do their own family, and he has still taken the time to reach out to this customer to resolve the issue while traveling to a boat show (as stated in an earlier post). There's a reflection right there of Skiers Choice. No biased opinion here either, I don't have a supra, nor do I sell them.
The voids in hull are what they said is wrong with it. You physically can't see them. Once they did a water test that's when we found out about what they are calling voids. The 15 times going out are before they did a water test. The dealer kept telling him that skiers choice does not pay for water test.
Rick did reach out to Brandon and gave him those options and then told him he had to deal directly with dealer.
I'm not sure of details on the trading in of the boat all I know is he told me it would cost 10k more.
It just an unfortunate situation.
So what problem are these hull
Voids causing exactly??
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Why i should buy supra ?
They won't just give him a refund?
The new bottom hull option isn't a bad one. It's just time consuming... They have to take the whole boat apart more or less.
Not exactly sure what's wrong with the hull they called it voids. But when you turn the boat dives to the side you're turning where the board racks Drag in the water and then the prop loses propulsion or some people call it cavitation.
Say what ?..... Can I get some clarification on board racks drag in the water.
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Stockton, Calif. - Picking up their second 3-2 overtime victory in a row, the Stockton Thunder outlasted the Las Vegas Wranglers tonight to take a 2-0 series lead in the first round of the 2013 Kelly Cup Playoffs.
The first period was held scoreless until three goals were exchanged in the final minutes. At the 16:27 mark, Wranglers center Judd Blackwater scored the first goal of the game for a 1-0 Vegas lead, but Thunder left wing Shawn Weller responded with a power play goal for a tie game at 18:01. Ninety-four seconds ticked by, and with 25 seconds left in the opening period, Wranglers forward Scott Pitt hit the back of the Stockton net for the 2-1 advantage.
Late in the second, Weller recorded his second goal of the night to knot the game 2-2. Wranglers goaltender Joe Fallon and Thunder goaltender Olivier Roy kept the game tied through the third, and for the second night in a row, the contest went to overtime. Only needing an extra 1:44 minutes to get the win, Thunder center Harrison Reed notched the game-winner for a 3-2 victory and a 2-0 series lead.
The best-of-seven series moves to Las Vegas for Games 3, 4, and 5, starting Monday, April 8, at 7:05 p.m. If necessary, Games 6 and 7 will take place in Stockton on April 12 and 14.
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Emerging-market stocks rose to a two-week high as confidence in China's economy grew and gold producers lifted South Africa's benchmark gauge to a record.
The MSCI Emerging Markets Index added 0.7 percent to 957.82, the highest level since July 26. The FTSE/JSE Africa All Shares Index climbed 1.8 percent as Harmony Gold Mining Co. rallied the most since 2008 amid a jump in the precious metal. Mining company Vale SA helped drive Brazil's Ibovespa to the highest level in two months. Mexico's peso reversed an earlier advance after President Enrique Pena Nieto unveiled his plan to boost private investment in the state-controlled oil industry.
Raw-material companies in the emerging-market measure increased 1.8 percent to lead gains among 10 groups. China's yuan halted a two-day decline on optimism the world's second-largest economy is stabilizing after data released last week showed rebounding exports and manufacturing. The nation's developers gained as speculation grew that the government will relax a ban on companies raising funds through share sales.
"There's a general sense that the global deceleration has abated," Chad Morganlander, a Florham Park, New Jersey-based fund manager at Stifel Nicolaus & Co., said in a phone interview. His firm oversees about $130 billion. "That, coupled with economic data points that point to stabilization within China, has put a floor under valuations."
A three-day rally in the MSCI Emerging Markets Index trimmed this year's slump to 9.2 percent, compared with a 14 percent surge in the MSCI World Index. The broad measure of developing nations is trading at 10.1 times estimated earnings, below the valuation of developed markets of 13.8.
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The iShares MSCI Emerging Markets Index exchange-traded fund added 0.9 percent to $39.73. The Chicago Board Options Exchange Emerging Markets ETF Volatility Index, a measure of options prices on the fund and expectations of price swings, retreated 4.7 percent to 21.74.
The Ibovespa rose the most among major equity gauges in the Americas after Vale rallied for a fourth day. Oil company Petroleo Brasileiro SA reversed earlier gains that were driven by better-than-estimated earnings. The real retreated 0.7 percent, snapping a two-day advance.
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Russia's Micex Index rose a second day, led by OAO RusHydro. Benchmark gauges in Turkey and Poland added more than 1 percent, while stocks in Hungary were little changed.
The Shanghai Composite Index advanced 2.4 percent, the most since July 11. China Shenhua Energy Co., the nation's biggest coal producer, rallied 6.1 percent and Jiangxi Copper Co., the largest copper producer, had its biggest gain in a month. Poly Real Estate Group Co. soared 5 percent.
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Joseph and Rebecca Osman of 995 Clarkson street, Brooklyn, parents of Corporal Robert Osman, rejoiced yesterday at news of their son's acquittal on the charge of having attempted to send important military information to Communists in New York.
For months they had spent days and nights of worry while the long drawn-out case had dragged on.
A trial last year before an army court martial resulted in Osman's being found guilty, and he was sentenced to twenty years' imprisonment. This sentence was reversed by order of President Roosevelt.
A New York Jewish newspaper crusaded for aid for the twenty-four-year-old Brooklyn Jewish soldier, and finally Louis Waldman, an attorney of 302 Broadway, went down to the Canal Zone to defend him at the second trial.
Osman was acquitted at the conclusion of this trial Monday.
Mr. Osman took a day off from the shoe factory at which he works and spent it with his wife and their four other children: Albert, 22, a civilian employe in the War Department here; Frances, 20, a bookkeeper; Edward, 18, just graduated from Brooklyn Technical High School, and Martin, 9, a high ranking pupil in elementary school.
The trial of Corporal Osman involved a thinly veiled feeling of anti-Semitism in Army circles in the Canal Zone. Only once did this prejudice show itself-when the preliminary investigator, a Colonel Buchanan, hinted that Osman's "birth" should be taken into consideration at the trial.
The entire evidence on which prosecuting officers attempted to have Osman convicted consisted of the fact that the name of a girl Osman once knew was found in a letter containing a plan of Canal Zone fortifications in the dead letter office at Cristobal. A number of other "suspicious" facts about the youth's life were taken up, and each was rationally explained by Waldman, according to a statement to the Jewish Daily Bulletin by David Asche, Mr. Waldman's associate.
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"Driving zero roadway fatalities to reality is IDOT's goal. During the Labor Day holiday, we will again suspend all non-emergency road work on state roadways, where possible, to improve traffic flow and to kick-start the heavily traveled weekend," said Illinois Transportation Secretary Ann L. Schneider. "To reduce potential roadway congestion and improve safety, we are also providing a list of lane closures on our website, with a breakdown by county, to help motorists plan their trips."
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These timeless kitchens get the best of both worlds with modern day function and charming retro style.
Keeping your cabinets and walls white will open up a small space, while color on the floor or ceiling will jazz it up without appearing too heavy. The two base cabinets, which stand in front of a large bank of windows, appear to be furniture. The countertops, made from old heart-pine, add more patina to the kitchen.
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"Does this seem fair? A plant breeder at a public university manages to grow a long-necked broccoli that, for easy cutting, stands tall above its leaves. Then a company that has used his creation to breed a slightly different broccoli submits it for a patent, claiming ownership over the very idea of long-necked broccoli.
So far, the company, Monsanto subsidiary Seminis, has failed to persuade the U.S. Patent Office to grant it a broad 'utility patent.' But Seminis has appealed. If it succeeds, the original breeders, who shared their seeds freely, could be barred from working with their own seeds.
Surely there's a better way."
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Google gets nod from University of Michigan IT group considering single campus-wide provider
University of Michigan officials said this fall that they were looking at both Google and Microsoft for a campus-wide initiative to adopt one provider for collaborative digital tools.
The winner: Google, which The Michigan Daily is reporting will get the endorsement from U-M's Information Technology Council.
From an AnnArbor.com report last fall:
Those tools would at least partly replace more than 40 e-mail and calendaring systems the university currently uses -- which amounts to a complex network of information technology systems in an era where fast digital collaboration and communication is critical.
"It's very confusing," said Ed Adams, chief technology officer and director of computing services for U-M's Ross School of Business, and a member of the committee that will recommend either Google or Microsoft.
Switching systems to a single provider could reduce impact an effort to reduce IT costs by $7 million in 2012, according to the Daily.
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The cost savings is good but the real benefit will be the cross fertilization of ideas among departments and the A2 community as worthy events will be easier to find and be better attended. This also should make the maintenance of the U-M events calendar (http://uuis.umich.edu/events/) much easier. A2geeks.org has an aggregated Google calendar (http://a2geeks.org/display/geek/Calendar) for numerous tech and business groups in the area. It also has links to the U-M Events Calendar and other general calendars for Ann Arbor. With so many events going on, using the Google Calendar search options really help find which ones are of interest.
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Rumors have been circulating for the past several days that after 21 years of existence, the Foo Fighters were breaking up and Dave Grohl was going solo.
The Foo Fighters have taken extended breaks between albums before, during which the members have pursued outside projects. Between 1999's There Is Nothing Left to Lose and 2002's One by One, Grohl played drums on the Queens Of The Stone Age's 2002 album Songs for the Deaf and toured with the group. During the break between 2007's Echoes, Silence, Patience & Grace and 2011's Wasting Light, Grohl played with Them Crooked Vultures, bassist Nate Mendel toured with his old band Sunny Day Real Estate and drummer Taylor Hawkins released his second solo album Red Light Fever, and none of this outside activity ended the band.
Foo Fighters have been on a break since the tour for 2014's Sonic Highways, but the gossip mill must churn ever on, and since the rumors wouldn't die, the band felt the need to address it in the signature humorous style. Last night the band released a hilarious video spoofing the rumors, featuring a blowhard Grohl, egged on by producer Butch Vig, deciding to chase the exposure from his recent Oscar performance by making an electronic music album ("You just hit one button!"), while the rest of the group members look for a new frontman. Billy Corgan, Prince, and Phil Collins are considered before the members settle on Nick Lachey. (His "Everlong" isn't bad, to be honest.) The video ends with the message:
For The Millionth Time, We're Not Breaking Up.
Well played, gentlemen. Well played. That said, if Grohl wanted to jump back in the studio with Queens of the Stone Age, no one would complain.
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1953 MGTD: She suddenly quit on me, Simply refused to start one morning w/NO prior warning. I had driven about 15 on a new refill of petrol. (Hmmm) Narrowed problem down to the carbs and took her to a mechanic, who informed me that she needed new "needles and seats, which I ordered from Moss. She would then start. However, when I accelerated she 'choked down' (lost power). After 2 days and 4 or 5 short 6 mile trips she is gradually getting worse. In that she chokes down to a greater degree and more quickly. Definitely a fuel problem. Please advise. Bill in Atlantic Beach, FL
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THE Penrith Panthers senior men's team and senior women's team open their home season this Saturday night at the Penrith Valley Regional Sports Centre, Cambridge Park.
Amazingly, all four teams in action on the day are still to record a win this season.
The Penrith and Bankstown men's teams have both lost their opening two games of the season, while the Bankstown women have lost their only game (in round one).
Penrith's women are still champing at the bit to get into the action, having endured two byes in the opening two rounds of action.
While all of the above sets the scene for an enthralling day's action, there is the added highlight of watching Sydney Flames WNBL superstar Rohanee Cox suit up for the Panthers women, in what will be her debut game in the WCL competition.
Last Sunday's loss to the Central Coast Crusaders was a cruel blow for the Penrith men, who looked likely winners at some stages of the game but eventually fell four points short (71-67).
Josh Morehead almost got the Panthers back in the game in the final seconds but the two referees ignored a foul on the talented point guard to effectively let the Crusaders off the hook.
Central Coast Crusaders 71 (Jason Taylor 27 points, 10 boards; Callum Jenkins 19 points, 16 boards) defeated Penrith Panthers 67 (Ben Kearins 18 points, 8 boards, 4 assists, 2 steals; Sean Albert 12 points).


text: Thanks to those who replied to my question about GUS stability in plant cells. The replies are posted below. Seems that no one is trying to engineer a more unstable version, though I discussed this with Richard Jefferson and he suggested a strategy to screen for ts mutants in E. coli. I am going to try fusing a domain of the maize homeobox gene Knotted1 to GUS- this domain is similar to PEST domains in many rapidly turned over animal proteins. If I find anything I'll keep the network informed, David Jackson. djackson at NATURE.BERKELEY.EDU > I'm trying to find an accurate estimate of the half life of GUS protein in > plant cells. I believe it is between one and three days; I am planning > experiments where this could cause some problems. Is anyone trying to > engineer a less stable form of the enzyme? > > David Jackson > USDA/UC Berkeley Plant Gene Expression Centre. Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 06:24:04 -0500 From: Andrew John Millar <ajm2m at faraday.clas.virginia.edu> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) To: djackson at nature.berkeley.edu Subject: GUS half life Dear David, The firefly luciferase activity has a half life of approximately 2-3 hours in planta, in the presence of its subrate, luciferin. Try Millar et al. 1992, P.M.B. Reporter 10, 324, if you are not locked into a GUS strategy. Best, Andrew Millar To: arabidopsis at net.bio.net From: botjlh at lure.latrobe.edu.au Subject: Re: GUS stability Date: 7 Dec 93 09:43:54 GMT Sender: news at lugb.latrobe.edu.au (USENET News System) Concerning the half life of the GUS protein in plant cells, Jefferson et al., reported it to be approximately 50 hours in living mesophyll protoplasts (p3904). Jefferson, R.A., Kavanagh, T.A. and Bevan, M.W. (1987). GUS fusions: B-glucuronidase as a sensitive and versatile gene fusion marker in higher plants. EMBO J. (6). pp3901-3907. Hope this helps, Joshua. Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 06:42:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Prof. David Oliver" <doliver at uidaho.edu> Subject: Re: GUS stability To: djackson at nature.berkeley.edu Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From our experience with GUS your estimate of a half life of three days for the protein is rather conservative. We have been using the light-induced promoter for the H-protein of glycine decarboxylase to drive GUS expression. One of my goals was to place plants with a high level of expression in the dark to deplete the mRNA and then measure the kinetics of appearance upon reillumination. This was straight forward at the level of mRNA, but we could not keep the plants alive long enough in the dark to see a significant decrease in GUS activity. After two weeks there was no decrease in GUS level on a protein basis (there probably was some decrease in total protein). While there has been some discussion about designing a more unstable GUS protein, I am not aware of anyone that is presently working on the problem. David Oliver Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology University of Idaho


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Tom graduates from the academy in two weeks. TWO WEEKS! These past 14 weeks flew by faster than I anticipated. I'm excited this day is coming, as I am ridiculously proud of my husband. I cant imagine I will get through his graduation without tears. The ceremony is at 2pm and I think we will be going our for a celebratory dinner afterward.
Reality is starting to set in for what our life will be like after graduation. He will finish out the regular week at the academy. Then, we think(I say think because I feel like we never are fully informed) that he will be doing on-the-job training for 2 weeks. That would mean he will be off for Christmas and New Years. Toms not sure if he could be called to pick up overtime during that 2 week period. It will be great if he can be around for Christmas Eve night, Christmas, NYE/day. I'm hoping, just not counting on it.
Then, the drastic change will occur. Tom will be assigned his shift. We are guessing it'll be the 3-11pm shift, since they have mentioned that is where they are short staffed. His days off will almost definitely be during the week..Mon & Tues, Wed & Thurs..? This means, we wont see each other at all 2-3 days a week. Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, we should have until about 2pm together, unless I pick up work on Fridays. The two weeknight evenings he is off, we will take full advantage of, I'm sure.
Its just going to be really hard for me to give up my family weekends I love so much. I cherish our time together. I love waking up, being lazy, fixing breakfast, running our errands, going to birthday parties, etc. From now on, Ill always have to RSVP for just me and Trev. I would say this is only temporary, but were talking like 7 years before he has any kind of seniority.
I understand you have to start at the bottom. Tom is my other half and I just don't feel right without him. I am going to have to keep busy so I'm not lonely and bored. Thank God for Trevor.
Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Life Changes
Tom graduates from the academy in two weeks. TWO WEEKS! These past 14 weeks flew by faster than I anticipated. I'm excited this day is coming, as I am ridiculously proud of my husband. I cant imagine I will get through his graduation without tears. The ceremony is at 2pm and I think we will be going our for a celebratory dinner afterward.
Sunday, November 28, 2010
I love vacationing and think its something you should do often! You only live once, so why not visit as many fun and beautiful places as possible?! That being said, vacations will be hard for us to take in the next few years. Tom gets the standard 2 weeks vacation/sick days with his job. But, he wants to get out of the jail asap and therefore, does not want to take any unnecessary days the 1st year. Our 5 year anniversary trip in May we have talked about since day 1? Not happenin'! At least not in May. Were looking to go away next October, as a late anniversary trip/Trevor's 2nd bday trip. That will depend on if we buy a house this summer and how many babies we bring into the world in 2011!!
Anyway, as soon as Tommy started the academy, I told him I wanted to go to Wisconsin Dells right before he graduates! Our family weekends will soon be gone and I wanted to have one last special celebration. We went to the Dells last year in December, with our 6 week old little dude. We really enjoyed the family time, even if Trevor slept a lot. :) I hope to make this trip an annual thing. Here is Trevor last year, checking out the water park..
I shopped around for weeks, trying to find the best deal. I was super excited when I called last week and got a king suite for $82/night at one of the best water park hotels! We are heading up on Friday, as soon as we get off work. I cant wait to see my little water loving maniac enjoying the water park!
Shortly after I returned from visiting with the triplets in September, I started to plan a trip to visit them at their home! Trevor and I will be flying down January 14-17th. My birthday is the 18th, so its a present from Tom. Evan and Stephen generously offered to let us hop in their car and stay at their house, making it an inexpensive trip for us! I cant wait to see what Evan cooks up for us during the 72 hours were there. ;) AND I cant wait for Trevor and Charlotte to pick up where they left off..
Saturday, November 27, 2010
Shutterfly Christmas Cards
Every year Tom and I send out a Christmas card. Its a great way to send cheer to friends and family each holiday season. 2 years ago, I was this close to not sending one. I was down in the dumps and still not pregnant. I figured no one would miss seeing just the two of us on the front of a card. I decided last minute to send one with a photo of our Vegas trip and it turned out beautiful. I'm glad I stuck with tradition, because last year, we sent a card that acted as Trevor's birth announcement, too.
I really wanted to get a great picture of the 3 of us during Trevor's 1 yr photo shoot a few weeks back. I was distraught when Trevor was fussy at the end and we couldn't get any! My photographer sent us a few proofs and as soon as I saw one of the pictures, I knew what I would do! I went on Shutterfly and in about 2 minutes, found it. THE card. Wait until you see it!
Click here to browse some gorgeous Christmas cards yourself-http://http//www.shutterfly.com/cards-stationery/christmas-cards
We have always used Shutterfly for our photo needs. I have ordered at least a thousand individual photos as well as enlargements and edited photos. Every Christmas, I order my mom a calendar full of pictures of the 5 grandchildren. Its hung at our cottage and everyone who visits LOVES browsing the pictures. They now make desk calendars, which are great for a family member who sits in an office all day. http://http//www.shutterfly.com/calendars/desk-calendars
Another great idea Shutterfly has-birthday invites! I have not yet used one, but I always send out thank yous with a picture from the event. Thus far, I sent one for Trevor's baptism and 1st birthday. Its so much easier to write a general thank you and send a cute photo. Plus, I imagine its hung on the fridge for a while, rather than thrown in the trash. Here are some ideas-
I am awaiting the CD with our pictures on it, so I can order our Christmas cards. I'm hoping it arrives Monday! Until then, I need to go to Shutterfly to print Trevor's birthday pictures..all 400+ of them!
Friday, November 26, 2010
First Haircut
Tom and I went back and forth for weeks about whether we should cut Trevor's hair. The original plan was to cut it the day after his birthday. However, we had to reschedule his 1 yr pictures and I wanted him to still look like a baby in those pictures! We ended up taking him for additional photos at Pic People and when we saw them we both agreed-he needed a little trim!
The next day, we took a trip to the mall and went to the children's salon. I wanted to go there so they could give him the certificate and I could save the locks of his hair. He did awesome! He sat in the car and played with the steering wheel and other toys. He stayed pretty still and only cried at the end when she got out the side burn trimmer.
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Wednesday, November 24, 2010
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Monday, November 22, 2010
1 Year Check-Up
I took Trevor to his 1 year well visit on Friday. I am really missing our old doctor. :( She was so thorough and took a lot of time asking and answering questions. This new doctor was in the room for less than 10 minutes. She quickly went over the chart, checked him out and was gone. She is pregnant and due in Jan, so I guess it'll be a good time to try a different doctor in the practice. The only thing she did say was to try to get him off the bottle in the next month. Honestly, I don't see that happening. I'm not in any huge rush. My goal is to have him off the pacifier/bottle by the 15 month appointment. One thing at a time..
Trevor is growing perfectly. He was 22lb 6 oz., which was the 42nd percentile. He was 31 inches, which is the 82nd percentile. I still cant get over how skinny he is now! He was 99th for the first 8 months of his life.
Trevor made a few calls while we waited for the nurse to come in with the shots.
Sunday, November 21, 2010
Bear Down Bash
We had Trevor's second, 1st birthday bash last weekend. It was the exact opposite of his Mickey party. Just friends, Trevor was the only child, the menu and decorations were simple. It was a nice, relaxing afternoon. This is the invite I found-which I loved. It was perfect!
I did minimal decorations. There was no need to go overboard when everyone was roughly 24. We had about 16 of our closest friends, without children, come over for the game. We mingled, watched the Bears kick butt, ate chili mac, gossiped, were entertained by Trevor. It was so much fun!
Wednesday, November 17, 2010
FET Day 7
Trevor's birthday chaos has been a nice distraction from our FET cycle..kinda. I still think about it 24/7 and want to fast forward to January 1st. BUT, that would mean I would skip the holidays with my boys and I don't want to do that. ;)
I started BC on Trevor's bday and today was my 7th pill. It has made me break out worse than I ever have in my entire life! I have also been sleeping terrible. For instance, Tom had to get up at 4:30 to do a run for officers killed and I could not fall back asleep after he left. Ugh! If I had to be on it longer, Id ask for a different brand. I cant complain too much about free meds though!
Tonight was my second Lupron injection. I even took the 5 minutes to watch the instructional video yesterday and it came back very quickly. I was so excited to finally be moving forward, I almost forgot that its painful. Lupron is easy..the progesterone will be harder..and labor even worse. Ill do it all to make Trevor a big brother.
Tuesday, November 16, 2010
Birth Day
These first few pictures are from the day before his birthday. What can I say? He had a few outfits to wear to I started on the day I was in labor with him.


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6-time LPGA Tour winner Val Skinner is hosting the 13th annual LIFE (LPGA Pros in the Fight to Eradicate Breast Cancer) tournament in New Jersey which features Yani Tseng, Azahara Munoz, Morgan Pressel, and Lexi Thompson among other LPGA professionals. The tournament today will put the total amount of money raised by this event to around $8 million over 13 years and the field includes both young players like Lexi Thompson and Yani Tseng and veterans like Cristie Kerr and Karen Stupples. This tournament in association with the Val Skinner Foundation has worked to educate many young people on breast cancer and the fight against it and they have gathered today in memory of the many people who have died from this horrible disease including their friend and former LPGA pro Heather Farr.
Passion in fighting this disease and love for life are among the things that inspire and drive everyone behind this tournament. Heather Farr died way too young at the age of 28 but she fought throughout her illness and was an inspiration to her many friends. Skinner said that she has tried to be a good example to her fellow LPGA pros in her passion for fighting this disease and she understands how important it is for everyone to do all they can while they are healthy to make a difference.


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