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Yus neereth gassan, pheereth cha yevaano: morda che gassan zinde (Kashmiri saying)
Imprisonment of a Whole Nation
Has the international press even attempted to report about the most horrific of the human-rights violations about which everyone in Kashmir knows about that happened in the last few days? Why this sudden black-out of reporting about these barbaric actions of Indians soldiers. I am referring to the beating of the expectant mother who was beaten by the Indian soldiers while on her way to the hospital. What are expectant mothers to do in this so-called curfew? Post pone their deliveries? These Indian barbarians will not even spare expecting Kashmiri mothers from their ire. A Kashmiri lady in labour was brutally beaten up for violating the curfew. She was on her way to the hospital for her delivery (read the story here). And consider this is only one instance of the terror that has been unleashed on Kashmiris. We have heard about even children were not spared (watch the video here) and were beaten to a pulp. If this is not a colonizer's attempt to consolidate their hold on an occupied territory than what is it? And the world media is an accomplice to these horrific acts for not reporting on these.
I have never been so disappointed by the OIC (Organisation of Islamic Countries). They have let us down over and over again. What use is this organisation if it cannot use its clout to get us out of this oppression. It is in these times that we should learn from the EU or NATO.
The OIC could help us if they wanted to; there is no doubt about this. Consider for a moment if Kashmir were a Christian country. What do you suppose the reaction of the "christian" EU would be? They would most certainly have brought India to task for these unspeakable horrors that it has perpetraed on our nation. There is no other reason for their silence other than the fact that we are a muslim nation; that explains their indifference to our sufferings. Had we been a christian country, a few economic sanctions from EU, and India would have been on their doors with a beggars bowl asking for clemency - And the Kashmir problem would have been solved just like that. This is what we should learn from the Christian countries. They always look out for one another.
All OIC has to do is to take a clue from all this. Even a threat of sanctions against India would bring us relief. Curbing their oil supplies; cutting off all imports from India; freeze off aid to India. Is this too much to ask for a fellow Muslim country being ravaged by a colonial power like India?
It is time for the OIC to take a leadership role to get a fellow Muslim nation out of occupation. It is legally and morally imperative they do that. The Kashmir issue is not about armed rebellion or terrorist attacks. It is about 40 peaceful protestors demanding freedom who were killed in cold blood. It is about half-a-million peaceful marchers who were terrorized by occupation Indian forces, and it is about 17 million Kashmiris who have been forceably imprisoned in their homes for the past seven days for seeking the most basic of human needs - freedom.
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What I dont understand with you Kashmiris is that despite all that the Indian government has done for you,you are still ungrateful.Kashmir is an integral part of India and will always stay that way.If you cannot live happily in Kashmir then move to Pakistan or wherever the hell you want to.ReplyDelete
Dear KashurReplyDelete
Why are you entertaining the comments of our enemies.They on their half never publish our comments.I have more than dozen times written about the propaganda and facts about our opression but they never published them.We should do the same to them as well.There is no need to show tolerance towards them as they are not Human beings.People who endrose beating of unarmed old men women and children.Hit pregnant women on abdomen during their transportation to Hospital.Thrash innocent children.Shoot combat (Rudra) teargas shells on un armed and peaceful protestors.Who spray bullets instead of water cannons on peaceful unarmed protestors who have slogan as their wepon.Such people are same like Hitler's Nazi forces.
You are talking about OIC,Please tell me where has OIc delievered.Amar Musa is a big puppet of America.So are the heads of Arab states.They safeguard their chairs and Dollars.History has proved that only one man stood and delivered and that was Late King Faisal Bin Abdel Aziz al Saud.He was matyred because of this by his nephew who was an american agent,He had undergone studies is U.S.A.For us Kashmiris surprising should be the Role of Pakistan.They have deceived us in this time of despair.They are busy in making a criminal the President.What now to expect from them.
Someone above has written that we are ungrateful as India has done so many things for us.Ask him what has done India for us in 61 years.Nothing.India has kept us as slaves.Opressed us.Entered our country as a friend then shoowed its real teeth.Kashmir is the third world in J&K because of discrimination.We will kick Indians from our soil and clean it from this Najas(impurity)soon Inshallah.
Waleed brother,ReplyDelete
I am allowing comments from the opposite side to showcase to the world what we have to deal with. Their reasoning is illogical and makes no sense. Any keen observer learning about Kashmir will be able to discern that very quickly going through my and other's blogs. By allowing comments from the other side - even though they do not make any sense at all - is necessary to show the world what we have to deal with day in and day out.
My whole intention of this blog is to highlight what we as ordinary Kashmiris are facing and then let the reader make up their own mind. If we block the comments from the other side from appearing, the readers from overseas might think that we are only presenting one side of the story.
The other side has monopolised the media even internationally and has branded us intolerant and incapable of a civilized dialogue. We have to fight this with all our might and infact uncover their real face of fanaticism, intolerance and bigotry. The Hindutva agents will go to any lenghts to discredit our legitimate freedom struggle. We must not let them succeed.
Indeed you are right.But believe me sometimes after reading their venomous lies about us, it is felt to answer them in their way of talking. But indeed then their will be no difference between these liars and us.I remember we used to respect these rag tag people.For what?We saved them in 1947 from tribals and they betrayed us and left us to be killed by Indian army.They are spongers and dubious people.Imagine they bit that hand which saved them.I'll not be surprised if they tommorrow decieve their masters in shiv sena and jana sang.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousAugust 30, 2008 11:45 PM
Dear kashurReplyDelete
I really appreciate what all you are doing and you must continue with it even more strongly .As waleed said that they never entertain our coments ,it has been case with me as well.I myself wrote more than 2 dozens of times but in never came to lime light.But that does not mean that we should not publish their views and their ideas in our blogs.We should welcome them open heartedly and answer their all questions and more important we should make them aware of facts about the history and happenings in the kashmir valley.These people never get the real facts of kashmir and they believe what they are being told.
i want to just give you one example ,In june this year i was visiting kashmir after 2 years and people were protesting against the land transfered to amarnath yatra board .I was coming out of mosque and was rushing towards home after friday prayers and on the way i saw group of youngesters numbering around 5000 shouting slogans and from the crowed one of my friend pulled my shirt and told me that i should join them.with out any hesitation i just joined them thinking hust after few hundred meters we will turn back.but to my surprise this small group turned into a procession and soon it was joined by the processions from other areas and i can say that i just was surprised to see thousand and thousands of people joining it and i couldn,t find out where is the begining and where is the end.this procession travelled through downtown and marched towards dalgate and from Tourist reception centre it turned left by passing M.A road.I just pulled my friends out and told them that we should make short cut and reach ahead to see how many people are there.As we reached near cofee arabica i saw van of national television crew TIMES NOW just sitting there.I went to them and told them that they should be taking vedio on the other side of road and at first they didn,t talk and later one crew member told me that we were told from superiors not to telecast it for the intrest of our nation and i left that place looking at their helpless faces.And when i reaced lal chowk i saw countless people in fron of clock tower shouting anti indian and pro freedon slogans.
Oh god help us.
Having lived for a number of years and interacted with ordinary kashmiris, I can say this with certainity ; but for that country which is the biggest producer of terrorists and its adequate supply of these terrorists to people like Ali Shah Geelani in kashmir,the people of kashmir would be leading a happy life. All countries and international organisations like UN and OIC are fully aware of this. They, obviously, cannot dirty their hands, supporting terrorists and their supporters.ReplyDelete
- arvinderAugust 31, 2008 12:03 AM
This is for you WaleedReplyDelete
God forbid that Indian hindus and other non muslim minorities call the 150 million muslim citizens of India 'Najas' as u call non muslim kashmiris. I welcome comments like this from people like you because it reveals your deeply ingrained pejudices and bigotries. In today's 'global' world, there is no room for dinosaurs like you. and I pray that your name is on an Indian Ordnance factory bullet. Perhaps you can charge your heirs with posting the news of your demise on this blog, so that decent people the world over can rejoice at the vicory of decency and secularism over bigotry and hatred.
And if you can find time betwen anti-Indian rants, try and post the names of Muslim countries where non Muslims are not terrorised and often ethnically cleansed by the State. Sorry, fantasy country names are not permitted, you have to find the names of real Muslim countries.
Feedback from opposite camp is important. This is how actually democracy should work. But anywayz as Mr Waleed has said, this word has taken a back seat in Kashmir.
Actually feed back is important. This is exactly how a democracy should work. But as Mr waleed has said this word has taken a back seat in Kashmir
hi brothers...you are right on one side of coin but as an indian i always feel kashmir is the one of parts of india and we always believe you kashmiries are not other human beings but our brothers.May be some are against you but most of the indians have no negative feelings about you.I hope you people also understand this.I know you are tortured because of some terrorist activities caused by other countries.whoever it may be a hindu or muslim we should condemn it as it is inhuman which is the main reason behind taking many lives who are innocent.We should fight together to stop those activities wherever they may be.ReplyDelete
I feel sorry for incidents happening to you by these consequences.We always feel Kashmiries are my brothers.I pray for your happiness...for your development...and for everything....
- AnonymousAugust 31, 2008 2:52 AM
Amarnath shrine is a symbol of kashmiri culture of communal harmony. The affairs of the shrine and yatra must remain a sole responsibility of the people of Kashmir in order to continue the age old tradition of yatra in harmony. Hindu extremists like Jana Sangh, BJP, Shiv Sena, Bajrang Dal from Jammu should not be given any role in the management of the shrine for carrying out their communal agenda.ReplyDelete
In terms of the Constitution of J&K (SEC. 25) the Government cannot promote activities of a particular religion or religious activity. Hence the Government should have no role in the management of the Shrine Board. However, it is the responsibility of the Government to provide all the required facilities for people attending functions of religious nature like pilgrimage etc. Hence the Government should own the responsibility for all the facilities and amenities for the yatris including travel, shelter, security, medical facilities, sanitation and last but not the least protection of environment. The role of the Shrine Board should remain solely confined to the religious ceremony, rituals at the shrine proper and finances of the shrine. The Shrine Board should not be allowed to play a negative role of spreading communal hatred, grabbing forest land and destroying environment in the name of religion.
The Jammu people especially the Hindu extremists, who are spearheading the agitation for having a total control on the economic benefits of the yatra, have no locus standi to be a part of the Amarnath Shrine Board and no such arrangement will be acceptable to the people of Kashmir who are real the guardians of the Amarnath Shrine.
We have discovered this shrine.
We are the true guardians of this shrine.
hi brothers...you are right on one side of coin but as an indian i always feel kashmir is the one of parts of india and we always believe you kashmiries are not other human beings but our brothers.May be some are against you but most of the indians have no negative feelings about you.I hope you people also understand this.I know you are tortured because of some terrorist activities caused by other countries.whoever it may be a hindu or muslim we should condemn it as it is inhuman which is the main reason behind taking many lives who are innocent.We should fight together to stop those activities wherever they may be.ReplyDelete
I feel sorry for incidents happening to you by these consequences.We always feel Kashmiries are my brothers.I pray for your happiness...for your development...and for everything....
- AnonymousAugust 31, 2008 5:41 AM
Kashmiris, whether pudit or musalman are by their very nature a tolerant race, but sadly a bunch of blacksheep amongst pundits who are actually universally accepted cowards, are hell bent to paint their community in black once and for all.ReplyDelete
hi, i read about your blog in The Hindu newspaper today, written in the sunday magazine edition. I do respect your views because they are your first hand experience of the thing you are facing. Cannot tell when things will settle down but hope the best to happen. All the best for a great future.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousAugust 31, 2008 8:09 AM
Dear Koshur and Waleed,ReplyDelete
I am an Indian and a Hindu (which doesnt matter at all for me). It is always the case that some innocent people suffer due to mischievous activities of others . For that matter , if this be the case , I feel sorry on behalf of all the culprits. What is required at the moment is not the quarrel among ourselves but we have to understand each other and unite against the elements which want the condtions they are at present. There is always a way to settle disputes amicably . Hope u will understand ..since we all are INDIANS and brothers in that sense.
It would be nice of u if u could allow this post for view !
- AnonymousAugust 31, 2008 8:53 AM
THIS IS LATEST NEWS FROM ORISSA,WHER HINDUVTA FORCES HAVE CREATED HAVOC AGAINST CHRISTIANSReplyDelete
BHUBANESWAR,— Two people were injured when police fired on rioters in the latest religious violence between Hindus and Christians in eastern India, officials said Sunday. Fourteen people have died in days of unrest sparked by the killing last weekend of a popular Hindu holy leader in Orissa state. The violence has brought strong condemnation from the Pope and the Italian government. Two people have been seriously injured. The situation is more or less peaceful after the incident," top administrative official Balakrushna Sahu told AFP.The latest riots erupted in Koraput district late Saturday, with violence declining in Kandhamal district -- the epicentre of the clashes.A curfew has been lifted in several towns in Kandhamal, but has been imposed around the scene of the latest riot.Thousands of people, mainly Christians, have fled to the jungles or government shelters after their houses were burnt down."We have nine such centres with food and other facilities, where close to 10,000 victims of violence from both communities are now living," senior government official Arunachal Das told AFP.Officials said at least 167 people had been arrested after rioters torched nearly 500 houses as well as Christian prayer halls(CHURCES)."The mob torched my house after ordering my family to flee," Sirish Degal, 58, who is living in a shelter in Kandhamal, told AFP by phone."Let this madness stop. I'm keen to return to my village and give life a fresh try."Hindu-Christian clashes erupt periodically in India, where 2.3 percent of the more than 1.1 billion population are Christians.
So fascist, communal, divisive and fundamentalist forces of Jammu have finally succeeded in getting the whole issue of Amarnath Forest Land Row camouflauged and sabotaged to their favour under the garb of Nationalism and Patriotism. Once again, following the age-old maxim of "give the dog a bad name and kill him", state government has inflicted most horrendous crimes against humanity in Kashmir after labelling them as secessionists.ReplyDelete
Now it is time for the separatist leaders of Kashmir to shun their rhetoric of allowing and supporting the pilgrimage in its present tone and tenure. It is time to get to terms and call a spade a spade. People across India have been trumpeting the so-called income Kashmiris have been generating from the Yatra. So much so that Ram Vils Paswan went to the extent of saying that if left to Kashmiris, they would very well prefer the Yatra to cotinue for the entire year owing to the income they generate from Amarnath yatris. This is a part of large scale misinformation campaign and false propoganda unleashed my hindu fundamentalists and dully fostered by the Indian media. The fact of the matter is that yatris come in groups with their tour packages finalized at their native places with their local operators. They go back in same vehicles in which they come. Food outlets where they eat are most Vaishnovi dhabas owned by their fellow brothren from outside the state. They do all the shopping at Jammu against from their fellow citizens of outside the state. Due their plenty of hatred against Kashmiris they see to it that Kashmiris don't gain much from their influx into the valley. Last left are the ponneywalas of Pahalgam who earn only coins and not notes from them out of their nerve-wrecking hard labour. Are Kashmiris so hapless to bow for the sake of few morsels thrown to poor ponneywalas and the like.
It is high time we start talking about the large scale devastation and destruction that lakhs of pilgrims cause to our ecology in Amarnath region. Several national and international environmental agencies have warned that large scale movement of pilgrims in a purely ecological and environmentally sensitive area will wreck havock to the glaciers there which are diminishing very fast bringing lot of damage to our climate and environment. No wonder over the past few years, Kashmir has been witnessing snow psunamies, floods and inundating rainfall. Now in comparison to the income poor Kashmiris make out of Yatra, can there be any match for the damage it causes to our life and property in addition to our forests. Imagine how much shit and garbage might have been thrown by over five lakh yatris into lidder river and the serene glaciers at an altitde of over 3000 feet. When BJP government in Uttranchal restricted number of pilgrims visiting Gomuch Temple to a meagre 150 per day to save their Gangotri and for other environmental reasons, nobody resisted this move. Why can't we in Kashmir demand restriction of the daily and total number of pilgrims visiting Amarnath on the similar grounds besides reducing the total duration of yatra to 15 days.
After all it is the bearer of Chardhi Mubarak (Holy mace of lord shiva), Mahant Deependra Giri of Dashnami akhada who has time and again voiced concern over the fast deteriorating religious aspects of the yatra.He has several times made it clear that this yatra holds religious significance only for a period of fifteen days upto shrawan purnima and that beyond these fifteen days yatra holds no meaning at all. Why his voice is being curbed under the garb of communal frenzy and fascist passions of hindu fundamentalists. It is time we should sound alarm bells about our environment and demand restricting daily rush of yatris to a few hundred of them and reducing its total duration to only fifteen days. We should stop thriving on this dangerous tradition and voice our concerns loud and clear without any fear.
- AquaholicAugust 31, 2008 6:32 PM
I am so depressed to see the posts here. I don't understand, why people here are talking about pakistan and the Islamic forums. It's our problem, created by us and we have to find the solution for it between us. We have lived together with Sikhs, Buddhists, Hindus/Mulsims. This is part of our history, culture, this is what we are.ReplyDelete
The problem will not fade away by holding each others collars. If this problem is solved then tomorrow another problem will come up. Already the state does not have the most amazing reputation. We have already lost so much because of our differences. We always blame India or Pakistan for our plight, but one day, ya one day we have to take the blame on ourselves.
If people have been brutally beaten in Kashmir, then no mercy is shown on people in Jammu. The loss of jammu is equally big. Jammu and Kashmir has been one state and one land (we have been the identity of each other). We have best of friends who are either Kashmiris or jammuites. We have shared food with each other. How can we forget that? Can we imagine waking up one day and see the whole world around us changed.
We must realise for the interest of some people, a lot is already lost and if we don't stop then...
In my opinion rather then spreading what is going wrong, this forum and everyone around should work a solution.
- AnonymousAugust 31, 2008 7:03 PM
kashir bayoReplyDelete
Yiman khoftan fakiran kya chi pata zi kashir kaum chu yaztivol kaum.yiman chi panini pata,redas peth kyo bata ti sadki pet trav daf.yim jadal chi yival bechni ti yoti.Yiman tahri fakiran chuna kah tati kharat diwan.
We Kashmiris have nothing to do with their yatra they worship the ice or cow or any other Idol or animal.Please,We dont want our natural beauty and our forests trumpted under the feet of countless people comming from India.
Some people are talking about Govt.of india giving subsidies to Hajj pligrims,Indeed they should not give.Muslim who intends to go for hajj should have its hard earned money for this purpose.Money from idiol worshippers will never be accepted by Allah."Allah is pure and accepts things which are pure"
- AnonymousAugust 31, 2008 8:38 PM
Indian's who think that we are ungrateful live in a some state of disillusion. To start off with, you owe us millions in rent money for the land that your forces use to buffer the rest of your country from China and Pakistan. Another hundreds of millions for the electric power that you steal from us. Thanks but no Thanks for your doles. Keep 'em, 50% of your fellow "unfed" citizens would need 'em. Leave us alone. The video posted by Koshur says it all. Beating young boys in Kashmir, and hugging those "gupta and sharma" thugs in Jammu. And you call us terrorists.... I guess that's what secularism and democracy is all about.ReplyDelete
- revathiSeptember 01, 2008 12:01 AM
History has proved that nations created on the basis of relegion will only breed hatred. If Kashmir is going to be divided on the basis of relegion, there will be ethnic cleansing of the most terrifying kind ( if it has not already happened). The international community has a tough time with pakistan and israel created as relegious entitities in the 20th century and do not want another.ReplyDelete
If Kashmir can be a multirelegious society based on social justice ( as you claim in this column) i dont see why jammu and ladakh will opt for 'terrorist, violent india full of extremist hindus' . Do you have a hope for the creation of such a nation? Only such nations can survive in the 21st century.
We as kashmiri believe living with all the minorities with love and peace. All what we want is our country to be Independent as it was on 21 October 1947.We don't have any problems with any religion and don't want anyone to leave. We have coexisted with peace when Hindu Dogras were rulers of this country, we revolted against them not because of religion but for the same oppression of Kashmiris by those Tyrant rulers. late Sheikh Abdullah had played a great part in that revolution. Unfortunately he was befooled by his friend and the first P.M of India. He endorsed the accession on his terms that Kashmir will be a special entity within Indian Union. As soon as Indian occupational army entered Kashmir. Firstly 300.000 Muslim men women and children were massacred in Jammu. see today the demography of Jammu. Today India says It's a Hindu dominated city. Why? because they performed ethnic cleansing of Jammu. They are now slowly persuing the same in Kashmir as well. sheikh Abdullah when understood his mistake and the farce of secularism of India he raised his voice resulting his arrest. He was labeled as Pakistani agent and kept under arrest for years. during that period India made Puppet assembly and the Prime minister Kashmir and eroded the Special status given to Kashmir.Post of Prime Minister and President(SADRE RIYASAT),Jurisdiction of Supreme court of India was applied. Permit to enter Kashmir was removed Article 370 became just nonsense and eye wash.Let me tell you that article 370 is not Just for Kashmiri Muslims but is for Hindus Sikhs and christens living in Kashmir. We are not against peace loving Hindus who have not harmed us or any other religion. We are against the Occupation of our land by pseudo secular India and want them to leave out. We want to be free from the oppression of India and dubious Pakistan. Muslims are peace loving people but if anyone dares to hurt us then we are supposed to give him a befitting reply.ReplyDelete
Allah says:-
" God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers"Sura no 60 Al Mumtahanah ayat no8
We were always oppressed and are still oppressed by the occupation army which has started a reign of terror. Some above is writing Jammu has suffered. How ignorant this guy is.In Jammu people defy curfew and throw petrol bombs on Kashmiri Muslim drivers, Gujjar Muslim houses were torched. They migrated to other places but Occupational communal army pats them and distributes soft drinks to them where as in Kashmir If an old man above 70's comes out for obtaining some milk for his children is shot for defying curfew.Our pregnant sisters are hit with rifle butts on abdomen if they dare to come out to go to hospital for delivery. Our youth are burnt alive in dry grass. Why you people turn blind eye on the atrocities committed on Kashmiris from 1947 on wards. Its time to realize them. If you people are a real democracy then leave us and we'll decide our fate. We are not against any one in Jammu or Ladakh. We feel proud having them with us .they will also become a full partners of a secular independent Kashmir. Religion with be something personal .state will have nothing to do with that
I am an Indian from the state of Kerala . I am a christian. I am stating this to assure you that I have no religious or geographical vested interests on Kashmir issue. Given below is a letter I sent to The Hindu (english newspaper published from Chennai) which they did not publish . After reading this, my Kashmiri friends may realize that all Indians are not keen on keeping Kashmir as a state or colony of India.
"Kashmir has been in the news for the last two months . This time , there is a small difference . The difference is not in the news stories , but the way in which the readers have responded to the news .
Whenever , there is news of any Pakistani utterances on Kashmir or news of activity from Hurriyat conference , we find a few letters from readers stating that Kashmir is an integral part of India etc. Between 25th and 28th of August 2008 four letters appeared in The Hindu , the contents of which were different from the usual kind of letters we read.
The first of these letters said "the clamour for azadi is growing louder in the valley . How long can the government allow the stalemate to continue? . It should allow the people in the state to decide their fate" .
The next letter states " a basic shift in the Indian approach to the Kashmir issue would mean letting Kashmiris have their sovereignty"
The third one says " ….it is clear that the people of the state (of Kashmir) did not emotionally integrate with India . We have been paying a heavy price for retaining J&K . Extraordinary situation calls for extraordinary solutions. It is necessary to go beyond the constitution to find a just solution acceptable to all".
The fourth letter is more emphatic " in a democracy, the states authority depends on the will of the people. That the state's authority is gone in Kashmir, as it has been for many years, is no excuse for gunning down protestors. It simply means it is time we left Kashmir"
The above quoted four letters published by The Hindu are definitely not the only letters of this nature received by them. They must be representative of many such letters received at the news papers office . For every letter writer , there will be hundreds who think similarly , but does not sit down to scribble a letter . This makes us assume that a considerable number among the Indian population wants the government to settle the Kashmir problem without bleeding the country any more .
India does not have a water tight moral case in the Kashmir dispute . Even though Maharaj Hari Singh agreed to accede to India , the population of the state did not share this view . There is historic evidence that there was a mutiny within Kashmir against the rulers decision. In the case of the princely state of Junagadh , the wish of the nawab was to join Pakistan , but the people wished to stay with India . Knowing this , India sent its army to capture the kingdom . Befor the Indian army could land there the nawab left the kingdom with his family. But we did not employ the same principle in case of Kashmir
After war broke out in Kashmir , when cease fire was negotiated at UN our Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru gave assurance of a plebiscite under UN supervision .
Our government always state that "Kashmir is an integral part of India and it cannot be given away" . If we are referring to the Kashmir ruled by Maharaj Hari Singh , then a considerable portion of it is outside India , within Pakistan. Over the last three decades I have not heard any Indian official , minister or politician asking for return of this area to India. If the entire Kashmir is an integral part of India, we should be pressurising / compelling Pakistan to hand over this area to us. What we generally hear is the proposal to make the Line of Control as the international border. India and Pakistan are satisfied with the portions of Kashmir they have annexed. It is only the Kashmiris who are vocalizing for their homeland.
It is said that in the court of the wise king Solomon two ladies appeared claiming motherhood of a single baby. The king ordered for the child to be divided into two and one half given to each of the claimant. The real mother shuddered at the prospect of her child being killed and cried , the other woman is said to have shown no emotion.
In the Kashmir scenario both the countries who have got half each of this land are happy and have made it "an integral part" of their country. It is only the natives of the land who are shedding blood and crying for their homeland. So who is the real owner of Kashmir.
Aspiration for freedome of a country does not die down easily. Estonia was militarily occupied by Russia in 1940 . At that time this country had embassies in some foreign nations. Russia finally left Estonia in 1994. Till then , over 50 years these embassies were kept alive even though in the 60s and 70s no one could imagine that a super power like USSR will break into smaller countries . Similarly the aspiration for freedome of Kashmir will not go away . It can be suppressed for some time by guns and lathis.
India is the world's oldest continuing civilization and the largest democracy , where freedome of expression is guaranteed in a written down constitution . It does not show us in good light when a city is fully barricaded to prevent people from holding a demonstration.
Thousands from our armed force has perished in the name of Kashmir , and nearly a lakh of Kashmiris have lost their life . We should conduct a plebiscite as promised and solve Kashmir problem at the earliest."
Thankyou very much Phillip. It means a lot.ReplyDelete
Dear Friends,ReplyDelete
I am from india, and have no religious affiliation. Although it is considered a treason in India to say so, but I must say that Kashmir deserves freedom more than any other country in the world. Treason is better than to silently acknowledge and thus support the brutal military occupation of India on Kashmir. I know that the freedom struggle of Kashmir is going to be a long process. However, I am sure of it that the tyranny will end some day. All tyrannies do.
- AnonymousSeptember 01, 2008 6:47 AM
For whole life he polished their shoes yet he was humiliated by them when they shunted him out of a meeting in Jammu, The sycophant of Hinduvta forces who closed his eyes during Gujarat massacre is rejoicing on land being given to hinduvta forces .Just now this man is saying it is victory of good and defeat of evil-The people who gave everything to his family and him are now evil. God curse these Abdullahs. They made us slaves. His enactments as told by a poet are justReplyDelete
- AnonymousSeptember 01, 2008 7:59 AM
Fantastic Phillip, the example of King Solomom and the two ladies is true and Solomon is known as "Hazrat Sulaiman" (Radhiallahu taala anhu) in the Koran. If only more Indians were as clear and honest like Phillip, Kashmir wouldn't be bleeding like it is today.ReplyDelete
Hi KoshurReplyDelete
What do you think the organization of islamic countries will have to do ? It will have to support Kashmir as against India ? Really, you are dreaming here.
India has 100 million muslims. Kashmir valley has 4 million people. India's interests are a lot more important to OIC than Kashmiri interests. India is also the seat of reputed Islamic centres of learning such as the Deoband. In fact, India is actively looking for a place in the OIC. Pakistan continues to veto this, as it thinks it will be the sole representative of the Muslims in the subcontinent. This stupidity angers a lot of Indian Muslims.
And finally, OIC cares nothing about even Muslims in general. How many countries in the OIC boycotted US products (USA has been waging wars in Muslim lands for several decades now).
I am actually disappointed in you, with your demands of support from the muslim Ummah. Is it all that is left out of Kashmiriyat ? Mere religion ? If Kashmir turns out to be another Islamic republic, what will happen to the rights of Kashmiri pandits ? This type of argument makes it very difficult (for even liberal Indians like me) to support Kashmiri freedom.
By the way, I have seen the google video. A very sad video, but things like this are essential to eliminate curfews and re-establish the control of Kashmiri parliament. So always carry your video cameras.
Why we are supposed to think about those Kashmiri Hindus who hatched conspiracy with the Govt. of India to ethnically clean Kashmir from Muslims. They left the valley to give occupational forces a free hand to kill,rape,subjugate the innocent un armed people of Kashmir.And why should we be hesitant in applying the law of Islam on ourselves. What is wrong if a Muslim wants to live as his religion wants him.If anyone wants to live with some other religion in Kashmir we have no objection with him.Be it Kashmiri Hindu,Sikhs.Why you guys have Islam phobia .Kashmiri Hindus are spongers and selfish people. They betrayed their own countrymen how come they'll not betray India. And if you argue that they are your brothers in faith then what's wrong when we ask help from Ummah.They are also our brothers in faith. Why you have double standards.ReplyDelete
Regarding Deoband who told you that it has some value in Muslim world. Indian Muslims have long ago lost respect as they support oppression of Kashmiri Muslims. They are Hypocrites.Also this old word Kashmiriyat should be thrown into dust bin.You reap what you sow.Hindus of Kashmir chose their way out in 1990.Let them think about themselves.We have enough of our own things to settle with India..
Kashmir is a country which has been occupied by India and Pakistan. We want our Independence and our country back as it was on 21 oct.1947.We never Killed anyone because he was Hindu,Sikh or christian, Who killed Christians just some days before,Who burnt alive a Christian missionary and his son alive in a car in orrisa some years back, Who Killed thousands of Sikhs in 1984.Who is performing genocide of Kashmiri Muslims.Its Indian politicians through their occupational Army. Your views are of no repute as they don't reflect the ground reality in Kashmir
- AnonymousSeptember 01, 2008 12:07 PM
Both India and Pakistan like the status co in Kashmir .They are mainly interested in our Natural resources namely water which they divided by signing the Indus water treaty . So we Kashmir's have to fight this one on our own we can't expect anybody to help.ReplyDelete
If we look back into our History we will see ample examples of how both countries will find a way to maintain status co.
We culturally distinct from both Hindus of India or Muslims pakistan our fight has to be preserver our unique cultural of all Kashmir's people irrespective of our religious beliefs
- AnonymousSeptember 01, 2008 2:24 PM
This Dr Waleed Sheikh above is the perfect example of a hate-filled bigot with whom no normal discourse is possible. Such persons are so full of anti-Hindu venom that they know not how depraved their views are.ReplyDelete
For a long time, we have heard some Kashmiris say that the mass exodus of the Pandits in 1990 was the result of some trick that then governor Jagmohan played on the Pandits. To such a shocking canard, sane people like us respond and remind and ask if it was indeed Jagmohan who was screaming to the Pandits from the mosque loudspeakers, saying "Pandits should leave now, but they should leave their womenfolk behind". Or if it was Jagmohan who went around murdering and butchering Pandits during that time.
But this bigoted Waleed Sheikh takes this canard one more disgusting step forward -- he says the cunning and conniving Pandits left on their own so that their buddy, the Indian army could then freely shoot and kill those(i.e., Muslims) who were left behind in Kashmir.
In other words, Sheikh finds ways to attribute the most heinous villainy on those pitiable people who were forced to run away from their ancestral homes, and who have turned into refuges ever since.
This is bigotry and rancidness of mind of a very high caliber.
For every Walid Sheikh who espouses such abominable views, and who makes racist remarks such as "hindus are spongers" should be given full freedom to march to wherever there exists the Islamic Utopia of his dreams and where his wonderfully extreme views will find fellowship and company.
But if he decides to remain and wallow in this unreformed hate-filled mental state in the Indian State of Kashmir, then he deserves every bit of the mithai that the Indian army and the CRPF is dishing out to him in the Kashmir valley these days.
- AnonymousSeptember 01, 2008 3:16 PM
plz dont talk of any OIC,its a defunct group who could do nothing for any one like palestine.In these struggles against the oppressors its not the people who are oppressed that matter but the people who oppress.they are the ones who have to respond and yeild and in our case India.sorry to say that india it is still in the early days of its democracy,there are no strong institutions that safe guard the democracy.Free press ,justice system and will of people are struggling .the old colonial thought process and the same mind set are applied to any unnerving situation.dissent is unacceptable and it is territory either for its revenue or its geopolitical situation that matters.who gives a damn to its people.its true about any part of india and not only kashmir. in a country where human suffering is integral part of its existence dont u fool ur self with words like human rights and morality.these words befit the countries with little population,but we are part of country where only disposable commodity in abundance is human being, who gives a damn to human rights and values and right to self determination etc etc.Get real,and take stock of situation .what do u think ,60 yrs of this neglect by the indian state towards this region is going to change by our so called peaceful demonstrations?i think u have high hopes.unless the moral values and ethics of democracy are well established in the indian system we are not going to make a big difference by these methods that appeal and influence people with respect for dignity of humanity in all its forms irrespective of caste ,creed and color of religion.in any case the struggle should go on and go on with dignity .there is no need o beg for support except for the help of Creator who as and when wishes it, will supply it.by the way a thought for day "no one gives u anything,u have to take it"
- AnonymousSeptember 01, 2008 4:49 PM
Hi all, I respect all the views expressed here, I just want to say something to our kashmiri brothers and sisters, I know military tortured you, everywhere in the world military do the same, I feel sorry for that, But at the same time believe that, as things will get normal in a few years their will be no army in your cities, Kashmir is yours but at the same time Kashmir is India and will always remains wheather you like it or not. No body wants your land, be happy, make kashmir a better place to live, to travel. So that we Indian can also visit their our holidays and have fun. I dont know about the forces, but one thing I want to tell to all you people from bottom of my heart is, We Indians love you. So leave this path of fight and work hard to make your state a happy one.ReplyDelete
- A Kashmiri womanSeptember 01, 2008 8:27 PM
These days i often read and here many people writing and saying that kashmiri who want independence or pakistan can go and live in pakistan. My suggestion to those people especially kashmiri pandits who talk in this tone can live in India forever. The so called largest democracy of the world. That country is a disgrace in itself.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousSeptember 01, 2008 10:21 PM
Treat us indians as your bothers and sisters. We enjoy or suffer in the name of different things in same manner.ReplyDelete
It is a well known fact that our judicial and police system was inherited from british, so dear if I take out a march with 50thousand people and irritate police(burn buses/block roads/spoil public infrastructure) ...believe me any where in India they will spray bullets at us.
And if something happens(right or wrong) in kashmir its more likely to happen anywhere in our country.
Its not a big deal that people(men/women/old/childern/carrying) get bashed up during curphews, just because its kashmir that doesnt make it a special case.
Trust me no one asks your religious identity before raining lathis on your back.
Did we hear any son or daughter of a politician suffer in this ordeal? only we common people face the reality.
If a kashmir born IAS officer working in south does something wrong, do we blame complete kashmir for his behavior.....we all believe in modern laws isnit it...and we dont go and complain to IOC to stop supplying oil so that officer will go back to his kashmir? does people understand my logic. Where was IOC when earthquake stuck kashmir? IOC does oil business and not free service...so lets keep business out of the talk.
people need to understand we are same, we look same, we think same, we eat same, we suffer same and every crook in the world including our own politicos dont want us to live in a free society or else some people have a choice to migrate to afghan, dont they? I thank to god for not being born in that part of the world.
As far as my personal opinion no one is correct or wrong, its all circumstances.
No Indian wants to spend hard earned money on guns and unnecessary security, we want better facilities like schools hospitals for our self. so, who is wasting our money here? We want freedom from this wastage!
I want us to be modern, developed, think freely, respect each other opinions and be more advanced than the people across the border. Indians need kashmir to be happy as kashmir needs Indians to be happy.
- kashmir on boilSeptember 02, 2008 12:38 AM
Please link up kashmir-on-boil on your blog link list. URL is:ReplyDelete
- AnonymousSeptember 02, 2008 9:07 AM
Let me accept all the arguments made by people that want Kashmir to be a part of India are correct.ReplyDelete
My only question to all these people is why Indian Government and Indian security Forces have failed 700,000 Forces to about 2000 Militants wow odd are very much against the militants.
I have to say either the Indian army is a bunch of idiots good for nothing that can't do their job or they just are milking their own country
Truth is always bitter. This is a reply to all those who have found hatred in my comments towards Hindus. I am a proud Muslim of Kashmiri ethnicity. UnfortunatelyReplyDelete
A Muslim cannot hate a fellow Human being because as per My religion and the religion of the people of scripture all men are from Adam and eve and we all are their children. The utopian Ideas of someone above is same as when truth comes out it becomes difficult for a guilty person to swallow it as truth is always Bitter.This person is writing I called all Hindus Spongers ,No I said KASHMIRI HINDUS,We don't have anything to do do with Indian Hindus.They have done no harm to us. They are them selves being taken on a ride by Indian Politicians and misled about the facts about Kashmirs accession to India.If we hate someone in India is its occupational army and other agencies who have since 1947 started a reign of terror against the Muslims of Kashmir and these Kashmiri Hindus helped them to inflict harm on innocent Kashmiri Muslims.Take from the time of gandalbali who used to put hot iron on peoples thighs if they dared to listen to Azad Kashmir Radio. Not to talk about if someone talked good about Pakistan or Kashmiris independence.These people are arrogant intolerant people and cannot swallow that a Muslim wants to stick to his religion.what harm India or any other person could see in it if he himself is not having dubious intentions and heartedness and intolerance towards other religion.We kashmiri and all other Muslims have no problem to live with peace with the people of other faith.Why should we have? Allah clearly Said in Quran
Say:( O Mohammad(A.S) to these Idol worshipers and Kafirun)
" Oh Al Kafirun (Disbelivers in Allah,In his oneness,in his angels and books etc
" I worship not that which you worship
" Nor will you worship that which I worship
" And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping,
" Nor will you worship that which I worship,
" To you be your religion, and to me my religion.
Sura al Kafirun
At another place Allah says
LA IQRAHA FI DIN,There is in compulsion in religion
So there cannot any hatred in Muslims towards other Human beings.Islam is a peace loving religion and does not encourage unjustified killings or oppression of any person.
There is nothing new If I said that the KASHMIRI HINDUS (Not the Hindus of India) hatched conspiracy with the Govt. of India through its puppet Governor.Jagmohan ,who was a Minister in the BJP govt.in India and were transported to Jammu in the1990 when there was strict curfew and no soul was allowed to come out of home.The said Kashmiri Hindus agrred with the plan that with the help of armed forces special powers act and disturbed area act Jagmohan will clean the Kashmir from Muslims if not fully but decimate them which he did with full impunity.As soon as these fugitive Kasmiri Hindus left un armed protestors were fired upon at Basant bagh from two sides.People were killed like anything,Chota Bazar massacre,Houses were burnt with the help of gun powder. Women were raped.Kunan poshpora,Women were molested in Chanapora Srinagar.Un counted atrocities were and are being committed with full impunity. These Kashmiri Hindus left on their own and no body forced the. The juggling of words such as "The Hindus were told to leave but to keep their woman folk in Kashmir" is a indicative of their cheapness. We Kashmiris in 1947 saved these Kashmiri Hindus from tribals in our homes.If we would have been of low character and morale then at that time we could have taken their woman folk.We believed in secularism which India projected that time and befooled Late Sheikh Abdullah.We Kashmiris are not racists and belive in co existence.No doubt Masjids were used to protest during the nights and unarmed protests were led during the daytime.I myself have seen all this period.From 1990 onwards these Kashmiri Hindus are pouring venom against us at various forms internationally.When we finally started to answer their baseless slanders they cannot tolerate and accept the reality.Truth always prevails.Now there are people in India who have understood the truth about Kashmir.Example is a demonstration in favour of Kashmir in delhi on 30 Aug. at Jantar Mantar.In Bombay as well some Indian youth tried to protest but again these Kashmiri Hindus pursuing their heartedness against Kashmiri Muslims attacked those guys and scolded them that why they are supporting terrorists,they should instead rise voice for Kashmiri Hindus.Some film maker namely Ashok Pandita was the main culprit.Now who is racist?
Some one above has been hurted by my word NAJAS,Najas is a Arabic word which is used for impurity,When I called someone najas it means (impurity of soul).I cannot call a Human being Najas as a Human being is the finest and perfect creation of Allah.So If I call it as such then I am god forbid insulting My God which is not possible for a believer to do. Now why they are Najas (Impurity of soul).People who endorse Killing of innocent men women and children, Who keep blind eye on the atrocities,Who label all the Muslim population of Kashmir as terrorists as A.pandita did few days back. Indeed their soul is impure (Najas )and are not normal human beings but racists and helpers of oppressors.
Why kashmiri Hindus are spongers because they project themselves at every forum as Miskin (Poor) as if they have nothing.These very people with the help of State Puppet government made a law according which if any kashmiri Hindu sells his property then It will be estimated by the Govt.at the level of naib Tehsildar and then oly it can be sold.They sold their Houses and have luxurious villas in Jammu.They say they are refugees in their own country.can someone tell me Is Jammu another state.Its part of Kashmir.they just moved to live in a area which nowadays is dominated by Hindu 's thanks to the massacre of 300.00 Muslims in 1947 by patila sikh forces and jana sangh..They are talking funds and salaries from Govt.without working.they have established their own business in all parts of India.Govt of India has made it mandatory in some states to keep seats reserved for Kashmiri Hindus for M.B.B.S,B.E etc.They say they are Indians then why then they say we are refugees.Just to mislead people and and take bata(rice) and money projecting themselves as hapless people.Who has asked them to go no one and no one will ask them to come.Why don't they come now? who again is stopping them?.They don't want to come because all the east money which they receive,all the benefit which they obtain from Indian tax payers will be gone.
- AnonymousSeptember 02, 2008 11:34 AM
Koshur: excellent blog and an excellent space for getting our points across from all sides.ReplyDelete
A few simple practical realities:
1. Kashmir cannot survive on its own (independence) as a land-locked country with three large countries as its menacing neighbors.
2. Kashmir's population is tiny compared to its neighbors. It would be nearly impossible for Kashmir to independently survive let alone prosper without modern means of production that generate revenues in the modern world that we live in.
3. Pakistan for all intents and purposes is a failed state. Once the Indian army withdraws from the border leaving the border security to Kashmiri troops and officers (do they even exist ?), it doesn't take much imagination to see what will happen to the border. Same case applies to another long border all the way from Karakorum pass to Demchok. Kashmir will quickly be in a far far worse situation than before. This is the most likely realistic situation in case of independence.
4. Right now, at least you have 300 million strong liberal minded Indian middle class rooting for you and supporting you in your endevour to lead a more normal life. The Chinese couldn't care less while grabbing all they can once India leaves (look at Xinjiang and Tibet). Pakistanis have enough troubles of their own to manage to go out of their way to help you out. Just look what Azad Kashmiris have - zero (ZERO)representation in Pakistani parliament.
5. OIC is of zero use. This is simply dreamland. No one will ever seriously support 4 million kashmiris against the economic strength of trillion dollar economy. No chance whatsoever. This is just realpolitik, plain and simple.
5. Kashmiris have to think for themselves and ask themselves simple questions: is Independence really a feasible option ? If it is not then who should they be allied with for maximum social and economic advantage ? Who of all the neighboring countries offers it the best possible scenario for a stable socio-economic and peaceful enviroment ?
6. For Kashmiris, it is worth fighting to have the Army removed to the border (normal situation for all border states) but is it worth having the Army completely removed (Independence) ?
Once again, I thank you and salute you for offering this blog up for a multi-way discussion.
Truth is always bitter. This is a reply to all those who have found hatred in my comments towards Hindus. I am a proud Muslim of Kashmiri ethnicity. UnfortunatelyReplyDelete
A Muslim cannot hate a fellow Human being because as per my religion and the religion of the people of scripture all men are from Adam and eve and we all are their children. The utopian Ideas of someone above is same as when truth comes out it becomes difficult for a guilty person to swallow it as truth is always Bitter.This person is writing I called all Hindus Spongers ,No I said KASHMIRI HINDUS, We don't have anything to do with Indian Hindus. They have done no harm to us. They are them selves being taken on a ride by Indian Politicians and misled about the facts about Kashmirs accession to India.If we hate someone in India is its occupational army and other agencies who have since 1947 started a reign of terror against the Muslims of Kashmir and these Kashmiri Hindus helped them to inflict harm on innocent Kashmiri Muslims.Take from the time of gandalbali who used to put hot iron on peoples thighs if they dared to listen to Azad Kashmir Radio. Not to talk about if someone talked good about Pakistan or Kashmiris independence.These people are arrogant intolerant people and cannot swallow that a Muslim wants to stick to his religion. what harm India or any other person could see in it if he himself is not having dubious intentions and heartedness and intolerance towards other religion.We kashmiri and all other Muslims have no problem to live with peace with the people of other faith.Why should we have? Allah clearly Said in Quran
Say:( O Mohammad(A.S) to these Idol worshipers and Kafirun non muslims)
" Oh Al Kafirun (Disbelivers in Allah,In his oneness,in his angels and books etc
" I worship not that which you worship
" Nor will you worship that which I worship
" And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping,
" Nor will you worship that which I worship,
" To you be your religion, and to me my religion.
Sura al Kafirun
At another place Allah says
LA IQRAHA FI DIN,There is in compulsion in religion
So there cannot be any hatred in Muslims towards other Human beings.Islam is a peace loving religion and does not encourage unjustified killings or oppression of any person.
There is nothing new If I said that the KASHMIRI HINDUS (Not the Hindus of India) hatched conspiracy with the Govt. of India through its puppet Governor.Jagmohan ,who was a Minister in the BJP govt.in India .These K. HIndus were transported to Jammu in the1990 when there was strict curfew and no soul was allowed to come out of home. The said Kashmiri Hindus agreed with the plan that with the help of armed forces special powers act and disturbed area act Jagmohan will clean the Kashmir from Muslims if not fully but decimate them which he did with full impunity. As soon as these fugitive Kasmiri Hindus left, un armed protestors were fired upon at Basant bagh from two sides. People were killed like anything,Chota Bazar massacre, Houses were burnt with the help of gun powder. Women were raped.Kunan poshpora,Women were molested in Chanapora Srinagar.Un counted atrocities were and are being committed with full impunity. These Kashmiri Hindus left on their own and no body forced the. The juggling of words such as "The Hindus were told to leave but to keep their woman folk in Kashmir" is an indicative of their cheapness. We Kashmiris in 1947 saved these Kashmiri Hindus from tribals in our homes.If we would have been of low character and morale then at that time we could have taken their woman folk. We believed in secularism which India projected that time and befooled Late Sheikh Abdullah.We Kashmiris are not racists and believe in co existence. No doubt Masjids were used to protest during the nights and unarmed protests were led during the daytime.I myself have seen all this period.From 1990 onwards these Kashmiri Hindus are pouring venom against us at various forms internationally. When we finally started to answer their baseless slanders they cannot tolerate and accept the reality. Truth always prevails. Now there are people in India who have understood the truth about Kashmir.Example is a demonstration in favour of Kashmir in Delhi on 31 Aug. at Jantar Mantar.In Bombay as well some Indian youth tried to protest but again these Kashmiri Hindus pursuing their heartedness against Kashmiri Muslims attacked those guys and scolded them that why they are supporting terrorists, they should instead rise voice for Kashmiri Hindus. Some film maker namely Ashok Pandita was the main culprit. Now who is racist?
Some one above has been hurted by my word NAJAS,Najas is a Arabic word which is used for impurity, When I called someone najas it means (impurity of soul).I cannot call a Human being Najas as a Human being is the finest and perfect creation of Allah.So If I call it as such then I am god forbid insulting My God which is not possible for a believer to do. Now why they are Najas (Impurity of soul).People who endorse Killing of innocent men women and children, Who keep blind eye on the atrocities,Who label all the Muslim population of Kashmir as terrorists as A.pandita did few days back. Indeed their soul is impure (Najas )and are not normal human beings but racists and helpers of oppressors.
Why kashmiri Hindus are spongers because they project themselves at every forum as Miskin (Poor) as if they have nothing. These very people with the help of State Puppet government made a law according which if any kashmiri Hindu sells his property then It will be estimated by the Govt. at the level of Naib Tehsildar and then only it can be sold.They sold their Houses and have luxurious villas in Jammu.They say they are refugees in their own country. Can someone tell me Is Jammu another state? Its part of Kashmir. they just moved to live in a area which nowadays is dominated by Hindu 's thanks to the massacre of 300.00 Muslims in 1947 by patila sikh forces and jana sangh..They are talking funds and salaries from Govt.without working.they have established their own business in all parts of India.Govt of India has made it mandatory in some states to keep seats reserved for Kashmiri Hindus for M.B.B.S,B.E etc.They say they are Indians then why then they say we are refugees.Just to mislead people and and take bata(rice) and money projecting themselves as hapless people. Who had asked them to go no one and no one will ask them to come back. Why don't they come now? who again is stopping them?. They don't want to come because all the easy money which they receive, all the benefit which they obtain from Indian tax payers will be gone.
Some intolerant person above has written about me that I'll find my name on some bullet manufactured in some Indian ordinance factory.This is clearly indicative of his nazi mindset.These guys cannot accept the truth and when getting exposed they just turn mad and slander others.Now the time has gone when there were takers of their fictitious lies of brutalities against them.Waleed is a Muslim of Kashmir,The son on that very soil and if he is killed for exposing the atrocities on his people ,He will accept that also. Country is more than Waleed.
PLZ Delete my previous comment as there are some clerical keyboard mistakes
- AnonymousSeptember 02, 2008 4:39 PM
I endorse some of what Dr Waleed is saying--I am not a crazy, hate monger or biased fundamentalist-The KPs think tank and their so leaders are leading a poisonous campaign against Kashmiri Muslims- We know Why? The day there will be reconciliation –There shops of hatred will get closed and their hate masters will loose an important vote politic issue. So they will never allow this to happen-Every body in Kashmir irrespective of their ideology not once but many times asked KPs to return.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousSeptember 02, 2008 11:15 PM
I pray to God that Kashmir is not cutoff from India and we can all co-exist as nation with love and brotherhood.ReplyDelete
And a correcton your statements as well Mr. Waleed. Just because you look at your own state on the basis of religion, not every other country does.
The constitution of India clearly states a secular country.
I just have to laugh at the phrase christain country.. please the world has long moved away from shackles of religion, there was capitalism and communism divide, even that has vanished now while you guys hold onto communalism.
If you claim tolerant of other religion, why would you still scold the Kashmiri pandits! That's hypocricy right there.
First they are driven out of their homes(this is a topic of contention between you and kashmiri pandits, the pandits I meet say they were driven out) and then they are called traitors. What if they wanted to stay with India? Don't they have a right to their opinion?
How intolerant of you to name them names for their exercising a freedom of having an opinion?
Please do understand not every one who follows Islam is good, not everyone who follow Hinduism is bad. Every religion's followers have good and bad with them.
Learn to put things in perspective, rather gold-coating everything about kashmiri muslim and derating Hindus,Indians and Kashmir Pandits.
Please do understand, no one particular is all good or all bad.
u sud respect the efforts of india to bring up Kashmir from an traumatic CONDITION to be able to judge there rights.. was Kashmir even able to speak against the brutality of militants..ReplyDelete
india has suffered a lot to make Kashmir its integral part.. but soory to say that still it hasnt received the praise.
there r anti social things wo make news accordin to there interest and light up the protest ..use use itellect to come on any conclusion.. in short just think why wud india disgrace itself or ruin its effort to make kashmir a heaven...think
- kashmir-on-boilSeptember 05, 2008 2:27 AM
Dear brother Waleed: Congrats. You have given a befitting reply to all farsical and rabidly communal posters above. Everything looks yellow to these biased people with a jaundiced eye. They talk of money and so-called facilities India has been providing to Kashmiris but fail to mention what India has taken back in return from us - electricity worth billions of dollars every year without any compensation for the damages done to our land by the Indus Water Treaty. It is a bare fact that out of NHPC's total production of 2400MWs, a mammoth 1600 MWs are generated (read stolen) from Kashmir and what do we get in return - a meagre 12% as royalty. We supply power to the entire north India while we ourselves continue to reel under darkness throughout the year. As I have mentioned in one of my previous post that several researchers have worked on this so-called economic boom in Kashmir and have concluded that India has been since ages pursuing "DEPENDENCE SYNDROME" in Kashmir meaning that they have been financing us in a very tactful manner so as to ensure our life-long dependence while at the same time keep trumpeting about their so-called assistance to our region. Whatever we Kashmiris earn goes back to India owing to this dependence syndrome, since we are deliberately discouraged to generate our own income and are made to always rely on central wages.ReplyDelete
Many a people have been surmonizing us through this blog about the so-called economic non-viability of our Independence from India. They don't know that we have the richest reserves of minerals that have been unexplored till date. Besides our region is the hub of medicinal and aromatic plants that have a market worth trillions of dollars and still remains unexploited due to Indian hagemony. We are so rich in water resources that we have a potential to produce 22000 MWs of Power annually, sufficient enough to electrify the entire India, not to talk of our tourism sector that can attract people from every nook and corner of the world once there is freedom and peace in the vale. Our carpets and other handicrafts have a very huge market worldwide and can make us among some of the richest countries of the world in addition to our fertile land that can grow world's best saffron in sufficiently abundant quantities.
So far as the small size of our nation is concerned, there are many free countries in the world that are smaller in size than us and are still counted as properous nations. So the bottomline is please don't worry about our survival, just give us our birth right that is freedom and leave us alone on the mercy of God. You have recently been declared by the World Bank as a country with highest population of poor (30%) in the world. So please mind your own economy and don't bother about ours. More than 25% of your population lives below poverty line with not enough to eat. You settle the Kashmir dispute, peace will return to the entire south east Asia, your defence budget will drastically go down and you can pay some attention to your poor peole. That is the hard fact accepted by all and sundry.
Based on my own research, I agree with you completely on the point that Kashmir should be independent. However there are re-assurances that you will have to give and things you have to understand:ReplyDelete
1) That Kashmir as you define it shall consist of only the Muslim region of the valley and not Jammu or Ladakh where non-Muslims are the majority, if a sovereign Kashmir makes any claim on these areas it should be ready for severe retaliation.
2) After de-facto secession, the actual secession of the valley from India will require an amendment to the Indian Constitution, requiring the approval of the Parliament and the legislatures of 2/3rds of the states. Until that time you shall seek no official recognition from India, i.e. no trade, no tourists, no Kashmiris will not be allowed to enter India (you might not want these things anyway :) ). This amendment should not be a problem in the South and NE, but might be a problem in Gujarat and Punjab especially.
3) India will respond with force if Pakistan tries to acquire Kashmir.
4) India will respond with force if Kashmir is used as a base for inciting terrorism in India.
5) Any Kashmiri Muslims living in India right now, will be required to leave until the aforementioned amendment is complete.
These demands might sound arrogant and perhaps unfair. But you have to understand two truths,
1) That India's security situation is extremely complex, as bad as India is, it is surrounded by states that are much worse (in security terms), its democracy might rightly be a sham for u, but is not for its millions of oppressed untouchables, who are the most politically active in it. Any threat to its relatively liberal political system and Constitution has to be countered.
2) That India is the unquestionable hegemon in this area, as poor and illiterate as many of its ppl are, it still has far greater military and economic strength than Kashmir or Pakistan. That it can occupy a large valley against the wishes of its 6 million ppl is evidence. It has fought and defeated Pakistan and is on a much surer economic footing (I know much much more has to be done) and its civil society is much more developed than Kashmir or Pakistan. Most of the terms above are based on this hegemony.
I hope you think about what I have said rationally. I am sorry about everything you have had to suffer in my country's name, the massacres, the rapes, the disappearances. After secession, I hope you will pray that Hindus and Muslims in my country can live peacefully together and not riot or bomb each other. If you machinate to destroy this unity, be prepared for the consequences.
Khuda Hafiz.
Thanks for the suggestions.ReplyDelete
But when you say no official recognition from India, i.e. no trade, no tourists, no Kashmiris will not be allowed to enter India, are you going to open our borders with Pak, and China.
Because in such a scenario Kashmir would need to trade with someone na.
And let Ladakh and Jammu decide their own fate after the referendum- don't forget Kargil has a muslim population. In jammu region, we have Kistwar, poonch and rajouri as the bastions.
So if you kindly make it happen before such an amendment that will be quite nice.
From my understanding of Kashmir's geography, the valley has no border with China. But yes, once you have seceded from India you can trade with whomever you want.ReplyDelete
You said, "And let Ladakh and Jammu decide their own fate after the referendum- don't forget Kargil has a muslim population. In jammu region, we have Kistwar, poonch and rajouri as the bastions."
So my friend where is this going to stop ? Many districts of West Bengal and UP are majority Muslim, Mumbai is 30 % Muslim, the state of Kerala is 35 % Muslim, where is this going to stop ? You want freedom for the valley right, so why poke your noses in other regions. You see, this is exactly the kind of thing I mentioned in the second part of my comment.
Your fight is for the valley, and you will have freedom for the valley. It seems my country has no right to call the valley a part of it, thats why you should secede.
Even after the amendment, judging by the state of Indo-Pak and Indo-Bangladesh relations dont expect much trade or flow of people between India and Kashmir. In any case, you guys have much more in common with Pakistan and Central Asia than India. I dont think you have anything to do with South and North East India.
To Mr VikramReplyDelete
Why are you relating all issues of India with Kashmir. There is no UN presence there, Those parts have not been subject to more than 14 UN resolutions.
Like we cannot relate NWFP and Waziristan with Kashmir--we can relate kashmir with other problems in India.
All these are separate issue and it was India (Nehru) who took the case to UN for its permanent settlement.
And if you wish to read more on Accession instrument--read my recent blog entry.
Regarding trade--I am going to post an article within two days--that would really open everyone's eyes regarding what potential Kashmir has and how it is being pushed to backwardness--so that it may not compete and ask for its rights.
I dont get your response, how did I relate Kashmir to the rest of India ? In fact I pointed out how different you are from India, esp. the South and NE.ReplyDelete
Please read my post carefully and explain your comments.
- AnonymousNovember 21, 2008 1:27 PM
Kashmir not only belongs to Muslims but it belongs to Hindu pundits. Why are you not taking about the poor pandits who are thrown out from the valley by the terrorists.ReplyDelete
Amarnath Shrine is in India (we dont say it is in J&K). As per Indian constitution all religions shoule be treated equally. We will never listen to the proptestors / terror gangs.
If you feek Pakis is the heaven go to POK and live there for a month and then comment about India. Thinks about your OIC countries, can a Christian / Hindu freely worship his religion there ? India is 1000 times better than them.


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Koha: A Library Checks Out Open Source
Welcome to Nelsonville, Ohio; Hot Bed of Open Source
It is, on initial sight, not exactly the kind of place where you would start a revolution.
A small town in southeastern Ohio, Nelsonville sits snug alongside the Hocking River, with a population of about 6,000. It is home to Hocking Colege, and the Nelsonville Public Library (NPL). The NPL serves the entire county, not just Nelsonville, so it has close to 36,000 patrons in Athens County, Ohio. But that's not all that interesting about the Nelsonville Public Library. Inside its walls is an ongoing project that hopes to introduce an open source library management system to the United States.
And they're building it from the ground up.
Stephen Hedges is the Director of the NPL and is, by most accounts, the big motivator behind a two-year project to create an entire library management system from open source tools. Hedges does not want to just slap some applications together, either. He and a team of IT staffers from NPL are taking a very methodical approach to this project and are quite willing to expend the time, effort, and funding to get exactly what they want.
Getting what they want is a very important reason why they are pursuing this project, Hedges explained. Currently, the library is using a commerical application called Civica to manage its circulation. But Civica does not meet all of NPL's needs, such as patron sevices that allow a library to send e-mail notifications of books that are nearly due. While there are proprietary systems out there that will provide most of the patron services NPL needs, Hedges was increasingly frustrated with the closed nature of such software.
"When we buy it out of the box, we have to use what they have seen fit to develop," he explained.
At the core of the new project is the free library software application Koha. It offers a lot of functionality that NPL needs, but not quite all. This does not daunt Hedges, who actually sees this as an advantage to what he wants to do for the library. Hedges has been very willing to obtain training for his staff in mySQL, Perl, and PHP coding, just to name a few. His philosophy is very straightforward: "Open code does you very little good if you can't manipulate it."
Hedges and the library are putting their money behind this philosophy as well, having spent "several thousands of dollars" for programming training already.
There is also the amount of time. While Hedges was quick to point out the quality of the Koha developers' work, he was candid about their rate of speed. "Koha has a small group of developers, and it tends to develop more slowly."
This rate of development is a big reason why the conversion, which was hoped to be finished this year, won't be done until late next summer.
So, with all of this time and effort being put into a project, is the open source solution really worth it?
Absolutely, Hedges stated. "The primary goal is to offer the kind of services we want to offer." And to that end, NPL is very willing to put in whatever it takes to get the system moving along.
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