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Derek Loosvelt
June 22, 2011
To say the least, investment banking is not known as the most liberal and open-minded profession on the block. It's still largely dominated by straight, white males, and a don't ask, don't tell mentality still predominates when it comes to sexual orientation. However, in recent years, Wall Street has increasingly attempted to open its doors to gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender professionals -- and it's had some success at making them feel welcome.According to Vault's latest Banking Survey, which is being administered now to the 75 leading investment banks in North America, of those surveyed thus far, 3 percent identify themselves as being an openly GLBT employee. This compares to just 1 percent who identified themselves as such in our survey last year. Which is certainly quite a leap, and seems to point to one of two things (or, perhaps, both):(1) Wall Street's targeted recruiting efforts aimed at hiring more GLBT candidates is working; and/or (2) GLBT bankers (either new to the profession or previously closeted) feel more comfortable about coming out in the workplace.As for which answer(s) is the correct one, if we look at the qualitative responses we've received thus far in our annual Banking Survey, it seems to vary from bank to bank.While numerous survey respondents at numerous banks tell us their firms focus a great deal of energy on hiring GLBT individuals, many other respondents at other firms say the exact opposite.For example, here's one banker speaking about his bank's diversity hiring practices with respect to GLBT employees: "It's a very receptive environment for homosexuals. I haven't worked at a firm before where I knew of any people that were gay. But here, I know of a fairly large number, at various levels of seniority." Another banker from a different firm says, "We have two openly gay partners, so it's obviously something that's accepted and respected." And a third notes, "I don't see any bias here. In fact, we recently hired a GLBT individual."But at other firms the reception, or lack thereof, is much different. "I think we really need a strong focus on recruiting from the GLBT community," says one banker. "That's a talent pool we're losing out on by not being more proactive in developing relationships with them." According to a banker at another firm, "There's zero corporate effort on GLBT hiring here, and I don't see that changing." And yet another banker, at a third firm, goes even further, saying, "I feel as though ours is an anti-GLBT environment."Perhaps the most popular comments with respect to GLBT bankers are these two: "I don't know a single 'out' GLBT person who works here, but I wouldn't suggest that this is due to discrimination or preferential hiring"; and "We don't have any open GLBT individuals in the office, but I think our firm's practices with respect to GLBTs are perfectly fine."What these comments seem to point to is at least a few, if not many, closeted bankers working on Wall Street who, for whatever reason, don't feel comfortable coming out to their co-workers.Perhaps underling this point, as noted earlier this week by Vault's Cathy Vandewater, a new study conducted by the Center for Work-Life Policy, which surveyed professionals in a variety of industries, found that 48 percent of college-educated GLBT Americans hide their sexual orientation at their jobs. And that 33 percent pretend they're straight at work but are open about their orientation outside the workplace.Which points to the fact that, with respect to welcoming GLBT employees, it's not just Wall Street that still has a long way to go, but Main Street as well.(Vault: 48% of Gay Workers are a "Silent Minority")(Related: On Wall Street, It Pays to Come Out of the Closet; The 20 Most Gay-Friendly Firms on Wall Street; Wall Street Hearts Gay Marriage)
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|Maj. Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman
|Born: February 8, 1820 Lancaster Ohio
|Died: February 14, 1891 New York City New York
|Buried: Calvary Cemetery Saint Louis, St. Louis city, Missouri
He never commanded in a major Union victory and his military career had repeated ups and downs, but William T. Sherman is the second best known of Northern commanders. His father had died when he was nine years old, and Sherman was raised by Senator Thomas Ewing and eventually married into the family. Through the influence of his patron, he obtained an appointment to West Point. Only five cadets of the class of 1840 graduated ahead of him, and he was appointed to the artillery. He received a brevet for his services in California during the Mexican War but resigned in 1853 as a captain and commissary officer.
The years until the Civil War were not filled with success. Living in California and Kansas, he failed in banking and the law. In 1859 he seemed to have found his niche as the superintendent of a military academy which is now Louisiana State University. However, he resigned this post upon the secession of the state and went to St. Louis as head of a streetcar company and then volunteered for the Union army.
His assignments included: colonel, 13th Infantry (May 14, 1861); commanding 3rd Brigade, 1st Division, Army of Northeastern Virginia June-August 17, 1861); brigadier general, USV (August 7, 186 1, to rank from May 17); commanding brigade, Division of the Potomac (August 17-28, 1861); second-in-command, Department of the Cumberland (August 28 - October 8, 1861); commanding the department (October 8 - November 9, 1861); commanding District of Cairo, Department of the Missouri (February 14 - March 1, 1862); commanding 5th Division, Army of the Tennessee (March 1 - July 21, 1862); major general, USV (May 1, 1862); commanding 5th Division, District of Memphis, Army of the Tennessee July 21 - September 24, 1862); commanding lst Division, District of Memphis, Army of the Tennessee (September 24-October 26, 1862); also commanding the district July 21 - October 26, 1862); commanding District of Memphis, 13th Corps, Army of the Tennessee (October 24 - November 25, 1862); commanding Yazoo Expedition, Army of the Tennessee (December 18, 1862 January 4, 1863); commanding 2nd Corps, Army of the Mississippi January 4-12, 1863); commanding 15th Corps, Army of the Tennessee January 12 - October 29, 1863); brigadier general, USA July 4, 1863); commanding Army and Department of the Tennessee (October 24, 1863 - March 26, 1864); commanding Military Division of the Mississippi (March 18, 1864 - June 27, 1865); major general, USA (August 12, 1864); lieutenant general, USA July 25, 1866); general, USA (March 4, 1869); and commander-in-chief, USA (March 8, 1869-November 1, 1883).
Appointed to the colonelcy of one of the regular army's newly authorized infantry regiments, he led the brigade of volunteers of the 1st Division which crossed Bull Run to aid the 2nd and 3rd divisions after the attack on the enemy left had begun. Despite being caught up in the route-he already had a low opinion of volunteers-he was named a brigadier general the next month. Briefly commanding a brigade around Washington, he was then sent to Kentucky as deputy to Robert Anderson. He soon succeeded the hero of Fort Sumter in command of the department but got into trouble over his overestimates of the enemy strength. The newspapers actually reported him as being insane.
Removed from command, he was given another chance by his friend Henry W. Halleck in Missouri. But again, while inspecting troops in the central part of the state, he allowed his overactive imagination to run away with him. During the campaign against Forts Henry and Donelson he was stationed at Paducah, Kentucky and charged with forwarding reinforcements to Grant. Forming a good working relationship with the future commander-in-chief, Sherman offered to waive his seniority rights and take a command under him.
Commanding a division, he was largely responsible for the poor state of preparedness at Shiloh but redeemed himself during the defensive fighting of the first day and was wounded. The next day his command played only a minor role. Praised by Grant, he was soon made a major general of volunteers. He was instrumental in persuading Grant to remain in the army during his difficulties with Halleck during the advance on Corinth, Mississippi.
During the early operations against Vicksburg he ordered a doomed assault at Chickasaw Bluffs and a few days later was superseded by John A. McCiernand who accepted Sherman's proposal to attack Arkansas Post. Grant initially criticized this movement as unnecessary but declared it an important achievement when it succeeded and he learned that Sherman had suggested it. Sherman's corps did little fighting in the advance on Vicksburg in May until the disastrous assaults were made.
Following the fall of the river city he was named a brigadier general in the regular army and led an expedition against Jackson. That fall he went to the relief of Chattanooga where he failed to achieve his objectives in the assault against Tunnel Hill at the end of Missionary Ridge. Nonetheless, he was highly praised by Grant who then sent him to relieve the pressure on Burnside at Knoxville, Back in Mississippi, he led the Meridian expedition and then succeeded Grant in overall command in the West, Facing Joseph E. Johnston's army, he forced it all the way back to Atlanta where the Confederate was replaced by John B. Hood who launched three disastrous attacks against the Union troops near the city. Eventually taking possession of Atlanta, Sherman ordered the population evacuated and the military value of the city destroyed. Sending George H. Thomas back to Middle Tennessee to deal with Hood, he embarked on his March to the Sea.
Taking Savannah, he announced the city as a Christmas gift to the president and the country. Marching north to aid Grant in the final drive against Richmond, he drove through the Carolinas and accepted Johnston's surrender at Durham Station. His terms were considered too liberal and touching upon political matters and they were disapproved by Secretary of War Stanton. This led to a long-running feud between the two. Terms were finally arranged on the basis of the Appomattox surrender.
During the last two campaigns Sherman had earned a reputation for destruction and for the lack of discipline of his troops-his marauding stragglers being known as "Sherman's bummers." Especially resented by Southerners was the burning of Columbia, South Carolina. But there are indications that the fires had spread from cotton set ablaze by the retreating Confederates under Wade Hampton.
On August 12, 1864, Sherman had been promoted to major general in the regular army, and he vacated his volunteer commission. Also, he was the only man to twice receive the Thanks of Congress during the Civil War, first for Chattanooga and second for Atlanta and Savannah. After the war he remained in the service, and was promoted to full general, replacing Grant as commander-in-chief. One of his most important contributions after the war, was the establishment of the Command School at Ft. Leavenworth. He retire from the Army on February 8, 1884.He was noted for his absolute refusal to be drawn into politics. In 1886 he made his home in New York City, where he died on February 14, 1891. He is buried in Calvary Cemetery, St. Louis.(Hart, B.H. Liddell, Sherman: Soldier, Realist, American and Lewis, Lloyd, Sherman: Fighting Prophet)
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Senate candidate-turned Congressional candidate Adam Hasner scores a big endorsement, Jeb Bush, former Republican governor simply campaigned as Jeb! His endorsement in a GOP primary is a big deal. Any other Republicans planning to run now need to ask themselves if it's worth it.
From a press release:
Boca Raton, FL - U.S. House candidate Adam Hasner today announced that he has received the endorsement of former Florida Governor Jeb Bush.
In announcing his endorsement, Jeb Bush said the following: "I am proud to endorse my friend Adam Hasner for the U.S. House of Representatives in District 22. Adam has a passion for reform and for common-sense conservative solutions, and he will take that passion to a Washington that is certainly in need of both.
"The challenges America faces grow each and every day, and we need representatives that share Adam's commitment to principle, his dedication to government accountability and his proven record in working for his community.
"Adam served Palm Beach and Broward counties with distinction in the state legislature, and I know he will continue to do so in the U.S. House."
Adam Hasner said, "I am deeply honored by the support and endorsement of my friend Governor Jeb Bush. He stands as one of the greatest governors of our time for good reason: his passion for education, his commitment to reform, and his record of fostering economic growth is second to none. It was an honor to work with him when I represented Palm Beach and Broward counties in the Florida Legislature and I am proud to have Jeb on my side in the race ahead."


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Okay, we have to admit we're puzzled and amused by this announcement on the official Twitter blog site. It is April Fools' Day after all.
But, no, Twitter isn\'t likely joining the wearables craze.
The microblogging site says it is rolling out the Twitter Helmet, "a sophisticated, fully immersive, staggeringly high-resolution wearable device that allows our users to interact with the world around them entirely via a custom aviary interface."
The company blog post announcing the new initiative didn't include any photos, however. But Twitter says it will be "an impact-resistant, oleophobic-treated glass."
"The wearer can tweet through a simple 'pecking' head motion," the blog post said.
It will become available in September for $139.99, the post said.
Users could also purchase accessories such as "a hand-tooled leather case inspired by falconry hoods, feather-shaped Wi-Fi and cellular signal boosters, and a carbon fiber chinstrap with optional wattle-form factor microphone."
The Twitter Helmet will be available at "Twitter-branded stores, opening across the world this fall," the post said.
The helmet debuted on \"Good Morning America\" Tuesday where correspondent Sara Haines revealed it was in fact an April Fools\' Day stunt.
Many weren\'t buying it anyway and saying so on — where else? — Twitter.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin created a stir recently when he shared his thoughts with Americans in an op-ed printed in The New York Times. According to The Times, very few pieces written by heads of state have been published by the paper and very few received the attention Putin attracted.
But will the plea be influential? Will it change President Barack Obama's or Americans' opinion on the matter of Syria?
In recent years, Russia's political stability and rule of law have been called into question, causing many investors to avoid the area. Yet, while Russia is a tough market to love and even easier to hate, the country is hard to ignore, says Tim Steinle, portfolio manager of the Emerging Europe Fund (EUROX).
While I was at Cambridge House's Toronto Resource Investment Conference talking to investors about gold and resources, Tim was in San Antonio, Texas discussing his perspective on Russia on Canadian Business News Network with host Howard Green, Richard Jenkins from Black Creek Investment Management and John Hsu from John Hsu Capital Group. It was an insightful debate on finding opportunities in the sometimes challenging emerging countries of Russia, China and the Middle East.
Here is a summary of Tim's perspective on the emerging Europe giant.
Q. A lot of big, sophisticated, institutional investors say it's not worth the trouble to put your money in Russia. What do you say to them?
Since the Federal Reserve suggested ending its bond purchases, many emerging markets have suffered. Year-to-date through September 12, the MSCI Emerging Markets Index lost about 8.5%. Over the same time frame, Russian stocks have declined less than that, about 4%.
The Russian ruble also fared relatively well against emerging market currencies, as the country does not depend on external funding. Since the beginning of 2013 through today, the South African rand declined more than 14%, the Indian rupee lost 13% and the Brazilian real is down 10%. Comparably speaking, the Russian ruble looks stable.
Additionally, over the last 60 days, Brent crude oil increased about 15%, and a major oil-producing country such as Russia benefits from higher oil prices.
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Formation and Education for the Life of the Church
Earlier this year, because it was my son Patrick's last day at
school, I decided to participate in the 8th graders' last
all-school Mass. I joined Fr. Chris, Fr. Gerry and Fr. Bill at the
altar and assisted at the liturgy. Afterward, I took off my
vestments and walked to my dirty truck in the parking lot, using
great care not to brush my alb against the side of it as I hung
them up in the back seat.
While Mass was great, I knew I had an unpleasant job ahead of
me. I needed to haul a truckload of construction materials, junk
and garbage to what is called the "transfer station" here
inKnoxville. There are things you are not supposed to throw into
the normal trash dumpsters, like concrete, sheetrock, steel,
Our tradition tells us that many of the saints lived in such a
way that they spent every minute of their day with God, no matter
what they were doing. So, as I pulled into the transfer station, I
began to think sarcastically how I might invite the Lord to join me
as I emptied my truck full of junk. My smile turned serious as I
began to actually work at the task.
Then a funny thing happened in my heart.
A question came to me as I dropped the tailgate: What am I
hauling around that I should get rid of in my own life? What
garbage should I throw away?
The chunks of sheetrock were painted on one side and,
thankfully, were broken into small pieces. I thought, "Sheetrock is
a simple cover to the real structure that makes a house strong.
Sheetrock is for looks and keeps the insulation in the wall and
hides all the wiring and pipes."
There are many things that I sometimes put in front of the real
structure of my life. I sometimes hide my strengths as a person by
not showing my true self to others.
There was a long piece of rebar lying back there too. Rebar is
solid steel and designed to strengthen concrete slabs and walls. It
helps to keep foundations from cracking as buildings settle over
time and shift as they age.
My faith is kind of like the rebar of my life. It is the
unbreakable strength that is beneath everything; it carries the
weight of my problems and holds the very foundation of my life
together, no matter if my life is going well or badly.
There were all kinds of trash items back there, a lot of dust,
screws and nails, fast food bags, some scrap PVC piping that had
been cut out of a wall, and the remnants of a box spring mattress
that someone in the past had burned so all that was left was the
rusty springs.
Garbage is something I carry around with me, too. Everyone hauls
around things that we don't really need - broken relationships in
need of repair, cross words said in anger to our kids, talking
behind someone's back at work or school. These are things we all do
that lack virtue in our lives.
And so I asked the Lord to be present with me as I emptied my
truck bed full of stuff I no longer wanted laying around in my
life. He tells each of us to "ask and you shall receive," and so it
was that Christ joined me there at the transfer station and helped
me empty my truck.
The funny thing is that there were many trucks there doing what
I was doing, and heavy equipment operating, pushing our trash into
huge dump trailers below. It was loud and noisy and smelled pretty
bad. As I worked alongside my Lord, I began to think about what a
contrast this place was to church, where it is quiet, there is good
light, art, stained glass, and people come to pray and worship.
Then it was time to dump that last thing that I had been
dreading. It was a treated lumber 4x4x10 post that had a concrete
footer still attached at the bottom. It was really heavy, full of
splinters and lacked balance, as it weighed 80 pounds on the heavy
end due to the concrete.
I dragged it to the tailgate and then had to twist the end of
the post to move it toward the abyss. Finally, I used the other end
of the post as a lever and jumped back as the whole thing headed
toward the concrete floor of the transfer station and made a loud
crash. The concrete footer held strong and didn't break.
Then, as Jesus and I looked down at the post, I realized that it
was my pride that lay there. I nodded, looking at the floor as my
eyes could not reach His. I thanked Him for joining me and,
surprisingly, He got into the truck on the passenger side.
As we got to the on-ramp to head north on I-75, He had a big
smile on His face and so I asked him what was so funny. He told me,
"This is the best part!" Then I realized what He meant and I
punched it. The old Dodge V-8 came to life and we rocketed down the
ramp at 60 MPH.
As I looked into the side mirror to merge, all I saw was a
swirling, white dust cloud behind us leaving the last particles of
mine: "From dust to dust" came to me. Jesus was hanging out the
window whooping and hollering with joy, flailing His hands in the
wind. He was having a big time and the joy I saw on His face was
pure. Note to self: Get to Confession soon.
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Frame Rating: GTX 660 vs HD 7870, plus HD 7790, HD 7850, GTX 650 Ti BOOST
What to look for and our Test Setup
Because of the complexity and sheer amount of data we have gathered using our Frame Rating performance methodology, we are breaking it up into several articles that each feature different GPU comparisons. Here is the schedule:
- 3/27: Frame Rating Dissected: Full Details on Capture-based Graphics Performance Testing
- 3/27: Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition vs GeForce GTX 680 (Single and Dual GPU)
- 3/30: AMD Radeon HD 7990 vs GeForce GTX 690 vs GeForce GTX Titan
- 4/2: Radeon HD 7950 vs GeForce GTX 660 Ti (Single and Dual GPU)
- 4/5: Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition vs GeForce GTX 660 (Single and Dual GPU)
- 4/16: Frame Rating: Visual Effects of Vsync on Gaming Animation
Today marks the conclusion of our first complete round up of Frame Rating results, the culmination of testing that was started 18 months ago. Hopefully you have caught our other articles on the subject at hand, and you really will need to read up on the Frame Rating Dissected story above to truly understand the testing methods and results shown in this article. Use the links above to find the previous articles!
To round out our Frame Rating testing in this interation, we are looking at more cards further down the product stack in two different sets. The first comparison will look at the AMD Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition and the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 graphics cards in both single and dual-card configurations. Just like we saw with our HD 7970 vs GTX 680 and our HD 7950 vs GTX 660 Ti testing, evaluating how the GPUs compare in our new and improved testing methodology in single GPU configurations is just as important as testing in SLI and CrossFire. The GTX 660 ($199 at Newegg.com) and the HD 7870 ($229 at Newegg.com) are the closest matches in terms of pricing though both card have some interesting game bundle options as well.
AMD's Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition
Our second set of results will only be looking at single GPU performance numbers for lower cost graphics cards like the AMD Radeon HD 7850 and Radeon HD 7790 and from NVIDIA the GeForce GTX 650 Ti and GTX 650 Ti BOOST. We didn't include multi-GPU results on these cards simply due to time constraints internally and because we are eager to move onto further Frame Rating testing and input testing.
NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 660
If you are just joining this article series today, you have missed a lot! If nothing else you should read our initial full release article that details everything about the Frame Rating methodology and why we are making this change to begin with. In short,
Because FRAPS measures frame times at a different point in the game pipeline (closer to the game engine) its results can vary dramatically from what is presented to the end user on their display. Frame Rating solves that problem by recording video through a dual-link DVI capture card that emulates a monitor to the testing system and by simply applying a unique overlay color on each produced frame from the game, we can gather a new kind of information that tells a very unique story.
The capture card that makes all of this work possible.
I don't want to spend too much time on this part of the story here as I already wrote a solid 16,000 words on the topic in our first article and I think you'll really find the results fascinating. So, please check out my first article on the topic if you have any questions before diving into these results today!
|Test System Setup
|Intel Core i7-3960X Sandy Bridge-E
|ASUS P9X79 Deluxe
|Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 16GB
|Hard Drive
|OCZ Agility 4 256GB SSD
|Sound Card
|Graphics Card
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 2GB
AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 Ti BOOST 2GB
AMD Radeon HD 7850 2GB
AMD Radeon HD 7790 1GB
|Graphics Drivers
AMD: 13.2 beta 7
NVIDIA: 314.07 beta
|Power Supply
|Corsair AX1200i
|Operating System
|Windows 8 Pro x64
On to the results!
Continue reading our review of the GTX 660 and HD 7870 using Frame Rating!!
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Great work! I guess you're as happy as your readers to get to the end of this generation cards.
It would be nice, in order to facilitate readers choice, to have a summary page with all cards presents (maybe with dynamic selection).
What I image would be best is the graphs, where the reader selects a Game, a Screen Resolution, and gets all the cards on the same graphs (with tick-boxes to removes the cards he isn't interested in).
Graph= ƒ(Game, Screen resolution, GPU selection)
That way a reader looking for the best performance for his screen and favourite game would have all the information needed on a single graph. (you could be motivated to create another graph à-la TechReport taking into account the price)
Anyway Thanks again for the good work!
thumbs up for this suggestion!
thats what here in brazil they call "info-graphics" (redundant i know by you get the idea).
Great work Ryan!
Thanks for a another great article. As a few others have pointed out it would be great to see older cards tested such as the 8800GTX, HD 4870 and up. I realize that this would be a huge amount of work but not everyone is a graphics whore like me that upgrades almost every cycle.
Ah, the good ole' 8800GTX. My little brother is running one of those still and when I finally upgrade he'll get my psuedo-6970 (unlocked xfx 6950). Unfortunately he missed out on my 3850 upgrade when it died on me and would no longer output anything to the display. It plays Kerbal Space Program, Minecraft, and most other games (with lots of stuff turned out of course) so yup, I would like to see Frame Rating through the several generations of graphics cards--even if it's only one card from each NV and AMD's generation and not their whole lineups (heh, we'd never see or hear from Ryan or Ken for 6 months if they had to Frame Rate all those cards :P).
I still have a HD 3850, 2x 8800 GTX, HD 4870x2, 2x HD 6870s and 2x GTX 570s SLI in various PCs of my wife and kids . My current gaming PC is 2x GTX 680s SLI. I told you I have a sickness. :)
At one point I ran a 4870x2+4870 in Trifire and it didn't seem as bad as the 6870s in Crossfire if I remember correctly, so it would be interesting to see what impact Trifire has on Observed Frame Rates.
Your sickness gives you the power of intuition:
AMD fans: "see? you just need to buy a third card! im sure is cheaper than 2 nvidias"
Unfortunately only 1 card was tested, so conclusions are hard to be definite. What might have fixed it may be what fixes 2-way Crossfire, a CPU bottleneck. When you add more cards, the GPU puts more stress on the CPU, and if it couldn't keep up, it will bottleneck, which also has shown to fix stuttering.
More testing is needed. Same with V-sync. Only 2 games were used on the v-sync test. It may be that v-sync only helps due to its FPS limiting component, though I have a feeling it would help anyways, but more testing is needed to be sure.
I meant that only 1 game was tested, not one card.
Maybe its time for you elite of reviews (pcper, techreport, toms, anand) get together to work on the data generation in gpu reviews.
The value of each reviewer is what he points for us to see more closely and his conclusions.
Toms for instance is saying "just turn on vsync and everything would be ok".
PCPER refuted that.
Thats why god gave us multi-tab browsing.
Unfortunately different people have different preferences. You typically find competitive gamers refuse to use v-sync, because it induces latency and you lose the advantage of high FPS.
And curiously enough, v-sync doesn't work with Eyefinity.
I'm having a hard time finding what you are defining a runt frame. THG has it set to under 21 rows, which they said was the default, are you using the same definition, or something else?
Our versions of the scripts define it based on percentages. If the frame is 20% or less of the preceding 10 frames average, then we consider it a "runt".
Cool, that is actually a cool method. The higher the FPS, the smaller the frames will be shown, so having it scale based on the average is good.
With 1080 horizontal "scan lines" on the average screen, calling 21 scan lines a frame is a joke really.
25% of one full screen would be 270 scan lines. Calling a quarter of a screen a "frame" is stretching it quite a lot.
Maybe one fifth the screen is a reasonable cutoff point, or one fourth. Anything less is a joke really, as once 5 "frames" are "sharing" one screen, we see slivered runts in all the examples given.
So I expect some reason for the answer, but I suspect we'll get ridiculous things like 7 or 8 scan lines out of over 1,000 on the screen "counts" as "one frame" or some tiny portion of the whole screen, far less than 20%, less than 10%, less than 5%, as 7 or 8 scan lines is less than 1% !
I can do the math, and do the visuals. Good luck arguing me down to 10% of a 1920x1080, or "108 scan lines" counting as one FPS.
I can't tell if you are arguing or agreeing with my thought.
I will add that as your FPS go higher, the smaller the slice of a frame will be on average. At 300 FPS, the average frame size will be about 20% of the screen. This is why I like what they did, as it scales based on the average frame size.
Amazing timing! Needed exactly this.
Good work!
I might have felt this dragged on a bit too long but I was wrong. It was important to do the tests across the whole line up of current cards. I was mainly concerned that you would end the investigation here, after doing so much work on this, but now that you have stated it is on going I am very impressed. Anyway just thought I'd say good work. Really good work. Very glad to hear that you will be looking at user submitted solutions.
It will be interesting to see if peoples claims about radeonpro etc are true. I have seen people post pretty impressive results in terms of frame latency using these solutions. I have also been promoting this solution going off other peoples reports. Hopefully there aren't too many costs associated with using it (other than setting up individual game profiles, and making sure you do it right..)
I agree with other users in that it would also be great to check say 6950s or 6970s in crossfire. AMD has suggested things like the GCNs memory manager needs work. AMD haven't specifically suggested that this is where crossfire is falling down and I don't think it's related. However, that isn't stopping people around the internet claiming it is the cause though. So it would be interesting to have a single non-GCN card thrown in, even if its only tested in two or three games, just to confirm it is AMD's whole crossfire solution rather than their GCN products and its memory management.
Good work nVidia in the last couple of years for making an SLI solution that works out of the box so well.
Good work to AMD for producing cards that are performing so well in the single card tests. Feeling pretty happy about my 7870 tahiti LE purchase.
Believe me when I say I understand that asking for more after all this feels terrible, and am greatful for the work on these articles but I do wish Ryan would test Tahiti LE...as well as show some 'typical' overclocking now that stock comparisons have been made.
It's very simple to argue LE is one of the most relevant cards for the largest market because of it's price/performance and absolute (overclocked) performance at 1080p, even if it's 'limited edition'/highly salvaged (which are usually awkward niche parts) and certainly soon to be replaced by Hainan...which will undoubtedly have a slightly better stock placement relative to 660ti. This is similar to the way '7870' became 7950 in performance through Tahiti LE, 7950B became the old 7970, and 7970GHZ ED was to have a stock config to beat the nvidia competition which often equaled or beat those original configs). Am I the only one telegraphing that coming stock above 660ti (which will drop to 250) with partner overclocks (like 7790 has with 1075/6400mhz) very similar to a stock 670 (but probably priced cheaper? Think 250, 270, 300, 330 (or something like that).
I would say I hope we get a 670/Tahiti LE update article, but I feel 670 is best left for when Hainan launches...and wonder if that is Ryan's thinking as well considering the deliberate choice to leave it out. I do wish both would've been thrown in the 660ti/7950B article, but understand his reasoning. 670 is in it's own price niche, just like 7870XT. I know the later may be a 'tweener, but it really would be interesting to see the results as I think it will show a nice point of reference/cutoff where most people should be looking to get smooth 1080p HQ game-play.
Personally I think there is enough data to extrapolate how the gtx670 and tahiti LE will perform.
More epic data !
I am interested to see how crossfire/sli are effected by slower processors. I know that there is no end to the types of configurations out there but I wonder if causing a bottleneck elsewhere in the system will cause either adverse or positive results.
I also know that originally the setup used was to show the performance of the cards unrestricted, to which I say is a good thing when it comes to comparison from card to card, but now I find that adding in the cpu (crossfire/sli) may generate different results, unless you feel that the cpu still doesn't cause any "real" problems as far as perceived framerate. ex. the bulldozer review.
Shocking results from AMD. These results almost completely invalidate any price savings that might be had by going crossfire (eg CF 7970's vs SLI 680's). I'm definitely going green for my next multi card rig and won't be giving AMD a look until they pull their thumb out and fix crossfire.
Very comprehensive look at frame rating, excellent write up.
Really interested to see what some of software solutions previously suggested about will effect this problem.
A great work!!
I would like you to test older hardware (such as HD5870) to see when this crossfire problem occurred.
I found one link which might be interesting for you (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stutter-crossfire,299...). Although the test in this link is not sufficient for withdrawing the final conclusions, it suggested that microstuttering was more in HD6870 crossfire than in GTX560 SLI setup and also that triple crossfire setup with HD6870 alleviated microstuttering greatly. Since their methods were not as finesse as yours, they probably were not able to detect some issues (like runts) like you were. But still their data is worth noting, I guess. I think that their data hinted that:
(1) Crossfire issues might be older than HD7000 series.
(2) Triple crossfire setup might be able to alleviate the problem which occurs with dual crossfire setup.
I hope that you have a chance to test triple crossfire setup with your apparatus as well as older gpu cards.
Thank you for your interesting data.
I think we are going to test one or two of the previous generations of cards to see how things scaled throughout. Right now I am considering the HD 5870 and the GTX 480.
Great work. This is exactly the type of investigation that will make ALL companies better and go to a higher level.
Great test as always, but I think you should test GTX 580 SLI vs 660 SLI ASAP!
both have around the same performance, but Kepler supposedly deals with frame rate metering with dedicated hardware for that, and the 580 doesn't, both will use the same driver, from the same vendor, so it would be a great test and maybe help to understand how close AMD could get just with software tweaks!?
That is a huge amount of data presented Ryan. On the whole a killer article, one of the best I've ever read. The idea of testing the older 480 and 5870 should prove very interesting.
Thank you for such an informative, cohesive and thorough and downright geeky article. I loved reading through it. I think I went through the first article about five times just to ensure I had all the concepts fully understood. Awesome. :)
I just saw a video from valve discussing a tool called Telemetry from RAD games, it seems like it could be useful for analysis of game performance.
You have already noted elsewhere that Percentile (1-99) is insufficient, for tracking large SPIKES in Frame Times, spikes which may occur only once every few seconds (i.e., once every few hundred frames, thus well beyond the 99th percentile threshold).
So you need a different dependent variable (x-axis), with 'milliseconds' remaining the independent variable (y-axis).
In a 10 minute gampeplay section (36000 Frames at 60 FPS), 36 Frames is equivalent to the 99.9th percentile (36000 divided by 1000).
If you put '36' on the x-axis (or perhaps multiples of 10), you could easily show people the effects of LARGE SPIKES IN FRAME TIMES. In many cases/circumstances, more illuminating than Frame Variance Graphs which show nothing beyond the 99th percentile.
Are there any redeeming features to AMDs Crossfire solution?
Yes, they drop every other frame in crossfire and count it anyway and sell it to their fans as a superior frame rate than SLI.
AMS CF Frame numbers sold 80!(actual screen rate 40+stutter ! )
Wow it sure beats 76 from SLI !
Yes, a very "redeeming" quality.
Thank you for not answering my question :)
I just wanted to know if there might be an upside with regards to perhaps input lag. Kind of hard to measure though.
Ok, here's a few thoughts. With the AMD runts and drops, and the fans now trying to claim "less input lag", my question is of course, "What are you aiming at?" !
With every other frame dropped or runted, you're getting ~50% of the game screen opponent positions from the frames displayed (first person shooter as an example of course since most games are that ) - so your opponents position on screen is "jumping" from one frame over to two frames ahead, changing position in a lurch - with that type of inaccuracy of on screen opponents, how is "less lag" going to help when one cannot see half the positions of the opposition, and aiming at those in between spots just is not directly occurring? you have no visual data for those positions, half the positions of your opponent !
You can see how that may present some real issues for the gamer, as far as firing accuracy.
Yes, one could develop a sort of compensation with practice, just like a similar amount of consistent input lag is gotten used to as the mind and muscles acclimate and compensate accordingly.
So, it appears to me missing frames and runts are anything but helpful, and the lag thenno lag, or the lag not running in sync with what appears on screen could be a real problem.
With equalized frame time outputs to screen, the "smoothness" factor certainly helps aiming at opponents and learning to time things correctly.
Thank you for not answering my question :)
I just wanted to know if there might be an upside with regards to perhaps input lag. Kind of hard to measure though.
Are we seeing that crossfire is inherently borked? Or are we seeing that the current drivers are not leveraging the potential of the hardware?
I'm thinking that drivers can be updated.
A note on the fanboy thingy, surely we need both companies to succeed to push one another to create ever faster and more powerful cards. No?
The problem has persisted at least two series of cards, but based on AMD's response, it likely has always existed. AMD had said they never considered frame metering. Instead, they had been focusing on delivering frames as fast as possible.
That to me would say the drivers were not borked per say, they just weren't trying to do anything about it. They weren't even aware of it.
Nvidia has their metering done with special hardware, but AMD believes they can do the same with software, which they probably can, though it may not be as ideal.
Not sure why the 660 is being compared to a 7870. MSRP is over $100 difference. 7850 makes more sense to me but there must be a good reason the 7870 was chosen.
The GTX 660 is the cheaper of the two cards. You must have the GTX 660ti in mind.
The reason is a big fat smooch on the behind of amd and their fanboys.
Keep the raging natives a bit less restless.
You see, only 2 pages of comments, they didn't come in screaming bias while their radeon I don't believe any of this and "if it's true" it doesn't matter heads exploded.
They have all been made absolute idiots, as the years of their stupidity is apparent.
The years of them screeching no one can see over 30 fps anyway is exposed. It doesn't matter what they knew or did not know, they made every excuse and lie and fanboy promo they could over the course of years and now it is absolutely clear they were seeing only half the frames gobbled with screen wretching runts, but still claimed it was beauty incarnate.
They are fools, and we all know it.
It would be nice to see how a pair of gtx 580's fares, as I have these in my setup. Pretty please! *_*
I can't stress enough how amazing this is.
I have one or two questions though:
1. Is the ATI/AMD Dual-GPU cards like the HD7990 have the same "problems" has dual cards in SLi?
I have an HD5970 and I do recognize there are problems as far as stutter is concerned but, I notice, I have a clear visual "feeling" that something is not right in a very few games. Mostly those "heavy" titles like "Metro2033" and the new "Crysis 3".
2. Is the problem something related to the hardware itself, is it drivers or is it a mix of both?
Sorry, I meant "problems has dual cards in Crossfire?"


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text: On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 10:27, Robert G. Brown wrote: > Don's point about MPI jobs should not be taken lightly. Suppose one is > running a tightly coupled job (one where all the nodes advance > "together" and where failure of any node and the state data it contains > implies failure of the overall job) that will take one month to complete > on 100 nodes. Let us further suppose that (not unreasonably) the > probability that at least one node will "fail" and require at least a > restart during that month is essentially unity. > > The time required to complete the project without checkpointing is > basically infinity. The time required to complete the project with a > checkpoint generated once a day, at the cost of 1/30'th of a day's work > (close to an hour!) is likely to be about 31 (best of all worlds, no > failure) and maybe 35 (1-3 failures) days, depending on the number of > actual failures that occur and how rapidly you are able to repair the > downed node(s) and restart the job. > > BIG difference between 35 days and infinity...hmmmm You bet! :^). Thanks for the through explanation, Robert. Much appreciated! > This, BTW, is one of the reasons that there are relatively few WinXX > clusters out there. At least some implementations and installations of > WinXX (where XX is nearly any flavor you like) have reportedly had > reliable uptimes on the order of a day under heavy load. If true, one > would damn near have to checkpoint every fifteen minutes to get through > the aforementioned computation at all and it would take a year. Even a > single failure per day per 100 nodes is enough to significantly affect > time of completion of synchronous tasks. LOL. I love it. OTOH, I'm sure all of us know that WinXX has always been a total piece of garbage and should have never, ever won the OS war :^). With Red Hat "trying" to integrate KDE and Gnome, though, Linux and the like may someday unseat the all-powerful and unknowing MicroSloth :^). That is, with a standardized GUI, I think Linux/Unix has a much better chance breaking into the biz world in a serious way. I also think that the Mac OS X is helping a bit in this arena, too. > Without checkpointing (and a lot of folks do run without it as it IS > often a PITA to implement) one is basically gambling that one's cluster > will stay up through a computation cycle, and one sets one's > computational cycle accordingly, making it a form of "checkpointing". > Experience and arithmetic rapidly teaches one when this is a good bet -- > and when it is not. The first time you run for a month, only to have a > node (and the entire computation!) crash a few hours before completion > when you were COUNTING on the results to complete the paper you're > presenting at a conference the following week the work to checkpoint may > not seem so very much after all...;-) That hasta suck :^). > Last remark: Randy, you very definitely should take the time to skim > through the list archives, a book or two on parallel computing and > beowulfery in general, and maybe the howtos or FAQs before making hard > pronouncements on what does and doesn't make sense in cluster computing. Well, if my statements were coming across this way, I most humbly apologize to you and the list! Basically, I asked my original questions so that I could find out what exactly people in the real world were using their clusters for, hoping to use the garnered information for research. Unfortunately, I somehow got tied up in conversation on the list, answering this question and that, making statements that are relevant in serial-based computing and seeing if they could be tied to the parallel world in some way, shape, or form. > This is for a variety of reasons, and you should learn them. This is > not intended as a flame, just as a suggestion. No problemo, Robert! I'm rather thick skinned, so don't even begin to worry about it. :^) > Note the following Great Truths: [ABC's snipped :^)] OK. I'll shut up and do my homework, Robert :^). I'll just answer a few more e-mails that were posted to the list (mainly to complete my thoughts), and then I'll be quiet and study :^). OTOH, one has to admit that at least a few of my remarks has stimulated list activity between members. Do I at least get a C+ for my random-number idea? :^) Thanks for all the great input, Robert. Much appreciated! Randall -- Randall Jouett Amateur Radio: AB5NI