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Chevrolet Colorado Prices Paid and Buying Experience
bob_gromski Posts: 1With apologies to Will Rogers...like Ralph Nader and Joan Claybrook, Consumer Reports has never met an automobile they didn't hate.
Over the last fifteen to twenty years, CR has so obviously become associated (infiltrated?) with neo-paganist earth worshippers, that I would no longer consider taking their "scientific" advice on which toaster to buy, let alone something as technologically advanced as an automobile.0
CR auto surveys (done since 1964?) are the most comprehensive thing the consumer has for auto reliability period. Some faults I guess can be made but the overall picture is probably accurate. Also the difference between the worst quartile and best quartile has shrunk over the years. Perhaps years ago the best quartile dropped 6 transmissions per hundred vehicles and the worst 20 trannys per hundred.
Now it may be 3 and 10 or so. All quality has improved. Although the worst is still all black dots.
I cannot believe anyone would buy a Colorado after test driving it to the Tacoma or Frontier. (Only comparing CR figures and jd powers stuff a big mistake, the build quality and robustness diff is tremendous. Colorado nowhere near approaches Silverado, Tacoma or Frontier in quality. Similar 2wd Crew Frontiers were blown out at around 20k or so the last month or two. Tacoma managed to hold up their snotty prices as there are a lot of Toyota freaks that will pay up.
Frontier and Tacoma have powerful v6's, heavy duty towing, robust build quality etc. Dodge Dakota was tolerable with lifetime powertrain but you need at least 10-12k off its inflated 29-33k msrp to be tolerable. Ridgeline 08 awd v6 at 8-10k off all day is excellent for a 21-23k purchase and may be superior to any 2wd purchase.
A quick look and test drive at any of them would put the Ridgeline, Powerful Frontier Possibly Tacoma or V8 Dakota well above the miserable Colorado with poor towing an "V5" underpowered engine. Most people would easily see this, regardless of magazine ratings. Body roll with a 250 pound man in the passenger rear crew seat was frightening. Avoid getting tied up with Gm's marketing gimmick cards. You need a full size truck, Silverado fine. Mid size colorado and compact cars are mediocre. You're locked in.
Am sympathetic to the pinko bent perceived on some other CR stuff with but the auto survey, continued and improved for 40 years has remained relatively pure, with no gross distortions. Most useful and comprehensive survey available regardless.
Avoid the Colorado, let the test drives be you guide.
good luck
Anyone who is serious about and knows autos/trucks doesn't follow Consumer Reports. The company does its surveys on only its subscribing base to their rag. Who knows why those people are responding to their surveys or why they are not. What are their demographics?
I would take CR into consideration when it comes to refrigerators, lawnmowers, microwaves, drills, etc., but not auto's.
CR had their big apology a couple years ago after the company who they outsourced to test child car seats gave an incorrect report in stating 8-11 were bad.
Car/truck magazines are good sources and JD Power and Wards are also legitimate but leave CR to toasters.0
catken Posts: 6Can yoy get a 5speed man. with the 3.7 . Ken0
If you want more proof the Colorado / Canyon are crappy trucks just check out the discussion under Colorado Engine Problems. Engines self-destructing within 30-50 thousand miles does not inspire confidence in these trucks. GM would have been better off updating the S10 / Sonoma. The 4.3 V6 found in these trucks was more durable than the Colorado /Canyon 3.5 or 3.7.0
I wouldn't say they are crappy trucks at all. I drive a 1992 S10 that I just can't get rid of and yes I agree that the previous models are more heavy duty, It is a known fact based on the towing, etc. The 4.3 L is probably the most durable V6 ever made and the previous generation 2.5 iron duke and 2.8 V6 which I have were very good as well.
I have driven the Canyon/Colorado's and like them fine. I would get the base four banger. The truck has had some issues for sure with the valve seals and the front suspension but overall its an ok truck. My nephew has a 2005 I5 that has been trouble free. Not all the trucks have defects luckily.0
fheiser Posts: 2Well, I think there is good proof now that not all the engine choices are unsound. I am one of the few that plans to buy one of the '09 Colorados with the V8! Gets as good or better (mostly better) mileage than the competion's V6's get. And 300 hp? 0-60 in less than 7 sec.? And let's not forget what just a mild amount of tweaking can do to improve both power and mpg.
I am a little turned off by how unrefined the interior is but the truck itself is more than capable and frankly, right now, I would also like to just support an American car manufacturer.
Anybody else have any thoughts on the V8? I know most think it's pointless at this time in the economy, but that's part of the reason I'm buying, it might be a fairly rare truck if no one else buys the V8.0
You may want to compare it with the Dakota (i.e. 0 to 60, etc.). I think you can get the Dakota with a hemi. Good luck.0
The V8 is really not that bad of a decision mileage wise with this lighter truck to pull around.
With the whole auto industry suffering (not just American) including Toyota's historical downslide, people are being very cautious with unneccessary purchases. I also feel that people are starting to feel guilty by purchasing Japanese vehicles because they are no better than domestic American products in most segments.0
The Dodge hemi engines are just ok engines. The 440 Magnum engines of the 1960's were Chrysler's prefered engine for racing. The hemi's were unreliable and inefficient. Todays hemi's are much more reliable and efficient but no where as efficient as GM's V8 engines. The hemispherical head design of the hemi is not a good design for mileage.
That V8 engine option in the Colorado will return much better mileage than a Chrysler Hemi.0
That is silly, many domestic cars are surpassed in quality by "imports". The UAW and congress forced the "domestics" into a corner and they built large trucks, the only place they could make a profit with huge labor costs. UAW will survive, clipping a lower paid workforce in autos for dues.
They are more competitive in heavy equipment and earthmoving equipment plants where their higher salaries are more justifiable.
Years and years of making a profit on trucks, and losing money on all the passenger cars, just keeping up market share.
With 1000's of suppliers everwhere, supplying american workers in "foreign" plants in the south, vs "domestic" in the north, with some auto's (pontiacs vibe and toyota's matrix) actually made in the same plant.
The only thing that distinguishes them is the chrome plastic emblem on the grille and the trunk, and thats probably made in China.
The Colorado is the worst example I know of. Any test drive comparison between the Frontier and Tacoma will put them way out front in all areas, especially for the same price. The Dakota V8 possibly if you have to tow, but it may be too expensive. The Colorado ranks just ahead of the 18 year old Ford Ranger, which isn't saying much. Go with the others even if you have a lot of GM points.
Good luck
04cad Posts: 131I guess the UAW and congress forced the imports to build new plants in the U.S. to build their own full size trucks and four wheel drive trucks? Just because the import companies don't have the retiree burden and are more profitable, doesn't make the Big 3 or UAW wrong in having that obligation.
Until the gas companies raised gas prices to $4.00 per gallon, the Big 3, including GM were doing okay. The UAW has given lots of concessions in the last 20 years to try and make the Big 3 more viable, and the quality of domestic vehicles has shot up, surpassing some imports in the same class of vehicle.
GM trucks (GMC and Chevrolet) have outsold all trucks in the U.S. for years and years, they have the best mpg in their class today, for years they have had a very high resale value. Malibu is higher rated than the imports in quality and I believe owner satisfaction?
Canyon and Colorado may have some issues, but if you look at the forums here and elsewhere, their competition have problems also.
Anti-American sentiments about vehicles or other issues are a big part of what is wrong with our economy today. It isn't enough for some people that the UAW and Big 3 have made huge strides in quality, design, mpg, and durability, while still having a living wage, with decent benefits, some people just like to bash American made products and workers.
To those who bash the UAW and it's workers, keep in mind, they have donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the American public over the years through United Way, Christmas donations, thanksgiving food giveaways, gate collections for burn out victims, etc.0
Nobody here bashing the American working man. I know many. I love my Honda built in Ohio. Have a cousin who is a manager for Toyota in Kentucky. I work in America. Both have college degrees who were on the line. Flexible at many tasks, no bloated whales in blue shirts and golf carts drinking coffee (stewards) in their endless pissing contests with management "protecting the worker".
No 3 skilled trades taking 8 days to coordinate their busy schedules to change a light bulb. No union grievances from some hack finding a saleried man changing his own lightbulb. Union work rules, artificial in many cases to keep headcount high are extinct.
Those of us who were involved with the U.S industry and saw the UAW are amazed they kept the ball in the air this long. UAW will survive in heavy industry, trucks, heavy equipment where their higher wages can be justified.
GM trucks (GMC and Chevrolet) have outsold all trucks in the U.S. for years and years, they have the best mpg in their class today, for years they have had a very high resale value. Malibu is higher rated than the imports in quality and I believe owner satisfaction?
Great trucks-- Silverado and F series can take on all comers.. no doubt. Colorado is a miserable entry to the mid- size market. Problem is they lose money on everything else with this business model. Without the big trucks they are bankrupt.
Whether the mediocre passenger cars or the better ones like Malibu, the profits aren't there. It's irrelevant what Malibu or others rate, if it can't be sold at a profit and costs are too high.(and you need profits to pay health benefits for employees and retirees. )
Big fan of the American worker. Big skeptic of many of the 7% or so captive in private sector unions like AFl-CIO, Teamsters, and of course the worst -- UAW.
Of course the Democrats in Govt who get their cut of union payroll thru dues and political contributions probably didn't help either.
Good luck
Anti-American sentiments about vehicles or other issues are a big part of what is wrong with our economy today. It isn't enough for some people that the UAW and Big 3 have made huge strides in quality, design, mpg, and durability, while still having a living wage, with decent benefits, some people just like to bash American made products and workers.
...living wage.... decent benefits..... $70/hr labor costs, the most gold plated benefits for high school graduates and retiress out there.... and you're babbling about a "living wage" and "decent" benefits. The average shmuck, many with college is out there for about $28.00/hr union or not.
because the import companies don't have the retiree burden and are more profitable, doesn't make the Big 3 or UAW wrong in having that obligation
No, very wrong .....if they're unrealistic there is no obligation. Bankruptcy and bye bye. No company no obligation. This is true whether the retiree on a company pension is union or not.0
misha1957 Posts: 6Greetings from Maryland! Today is Saturday, 28 Nov 2009, and I just wanted to post an update to my original message from Sep 2008.
I have put 23,800 miles on my Colorado, and it has performed very well. No problems or quality issues at all. I average between 21 and 22 MPG with the 5cyl engine. My commute is about 70% highway miles.
My only complaint is with the seating. In spite of having the eight-way power adjustments, it's tough to get perfectly comfortable. Either my legs are too close to the pedals, or the steering wheel is too far from my hands. But, I've been able to find a position that's an OK compromise.
All in all, after 15 months, and nearly 24K miles, I'm still pretty darned satisfied with my purchase.
Mike R0
flymore Posts: 1Some dealers here have 2011 Colorado's on closeout price for 16k - it's a work truck with 4cyl 2.9L and automatic.
It has cruise - which is really important to me.
Is it worth 16k? Should I counter offer something else??
rmikolajczyk Posts: 13Bought a 2004 Colorado new. It is the best truck I have every owned. Has 5 cyl, with 4 whell drive. Have just clocked over 250,000 miles and still running strong. Have not had one major problem.0


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What is the relationship between engine displacement and peak torque rpm? For example, if I have a strong but well-mannered V-8 and increase its displacement with a stroker kit, what is going to happen to the shape and placement of the torque curves? For the purpose of this example, all other aspects-including the cam, heads, intake manifold, headers, compression ratio, and so on-remain the same. I am not asking about any increases-just where it will move in the rpm range (if at all).
I think the peak is going to move to a lower rpm with more displacement. My reasoning is that the increased displacement will increase the airflow through the intake manifold, which would increase the cylinder filling at a lower rpm. But the increased airflow would also increase the restriction, and it would hit its flow limit at a lower rpm as well. The result is, while the bigger engine will probably be making more power at a high rpm compared with the smaller-displacement version, it would be starting on the downward side of its power curve earlier as well.
Mike Peissner
San Diego, CA
In general, a normally aspirated engine's torque potential is very closely tied to its displacement. If the engine is not cylinder head limited, as swept volume increases, there should be more cylinder filling on the intake stroke and therefore more thrust on the piston during the power stroke, generating additional torque. If the displacement increase does not translate into a torque increase, the engine is probably being held back in the cam or cylinder head department.
On a typical dual-purpose hot rod engine, if the stroke changes but overall engine displacement remains the same (by decreasing bore diameter), the amount of torque at the peak won't change significantly. But the short-stroke engine's torque peak will usually occur at a higher rpm. Because horsepower is a function of torque output times rpm, if the heads and cam are not otherwise a limiting factor, the short-stroke engine should have a higher top end power potential, albeit at the expense of the extreme bottom end.
Keeping these basics in mind, let's examine your hypothetical case of two engines of different displacement where any displacement change is solely by means of a change in stroke and all other aspects remain the same. In reality, not all aspects can remain the same: Rod length and/or piston compression distance, as well as rotating assembly weight, will also change within the same engine block from any change in stroke. To max out an engine's capabilities, the base cam event timing versus the stroke, the rod length, and the head characteristics would also most likely change. For example, even if only the piston pin location is altered to accommodate the stroke increase without changing the piston skirt's overall shape, the piston ends up dropping further out of the bottom of the cylinder bore at bottom dead center (BDC). This could negatively impact piston stability, increasing piston rock, which in turn may call for additional piston-to-bore clearance. But for the purposes of this comparison, we'll assume all this stuff remains the same.
Dave Ebbert of DNE Motorsports Development has some old-school, DOS-based, analysis software that he says models with a high confidence level what happens due to a stroke change. He ran two cases for me: a small-block and a big-block. One cautionary note is that as stroke increases, so does the rotating assembly's mass engine speed. For any rotating assembly, there is a max safe theoretical rotating assembly rpm, the point at which what Ebbert terms the critical tension number is reached, when the loads imparted to the rotating assembly exceed 4,350 g (4,350 times the force of gravity). Peak tension always occurs at TDC because of the reversal of load. Above this point, even with very good parts, things tend to fly apart (such as the caps pulling off the connecting rod). The torque and power must peak below the critical tension rpm or the engine won't live long and prosper.
The small-block model compares a 355 Chevy (4.030-inch bore x 3.48-inch stroke) with a 383 Chevy (4.030-inch bore x 3.75- inch stroke). It assumes a 10:1 compression ratio, 5.7-inch center-to-center connecting rods, intake ports that flow 240 cfm at 28 inches of water, and a generic flat-tappet cam. As can be seen from the accompanying table, the total torque output increased by more than 30 lb-ft, with the torque peak point occurring about 400 rpm lower. Both engines made nearly the same power but at different rpms. With the longer stroke, the torque and power peaks moved close together.
At this point, a professional engine builder assembling the long-stroke combination would try to reduce engine friction and/or move more air through the engine by changing the cam timing and cylinder head to maintain the original power peak rpm point, assuming that rpm point is not the same as the critical tension rpm (which it isn't here). If by swapping parts, the builder can maintain the same power peak rpm, the long-stroke engine would ultimately make more power.
The big-block Chevy model compares a 467ci Rat (4.310-inch bore x 4.00-inch stroke) with a 496 (4.310-inch bore x 4.250-inch stroke), using 10:1 compression, heads with intake ports that flow about 270 cfm at 25 inches of water, and a generic flat-tappet cam. The long-stroke engine peaked around 300 rpm lower, producing about 35 lb-ft more torque at that point. Total power output was again nearly the same, but the point at which peak power occurs dropped about 350 rpm lower on the long-stroke engine.
Additional sims indicate that throwing ever-larger heads on a 467 still won't get its torque peak number up to the 496's level, confirming that torque potential is closely tied to displacement. The bigger heads move the torque peak to a higher rpm, which increases horsepower at the expense of low-end driveability. Conversely, getting the 496's torque peak to occur at the same rpm as the original 280-cfm head on the 468 is doable by installing a head with 290-cfm intake port flow-which again also raises the top-end power.
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Mira Loma, CA
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The Mutt Revisited
I am building a Ford 351C using some of the details from the web-posted article "The Mutt" as a guide. I am going with a hydraulic roller lifter cam but am concerned with using the Ford Racing roller lifter specified on the buildsheet. I spoke to Ford Racing, and the company indicated that this lifter will not line up correctly with the Cleveland oil passage. Did you find this to be a problem, or did you have to make modifications?
Eric Schisler
St. Charles, IL
The advantage of using a factory-style hydraulic-roller lifter retained by a valley hold-down plate (aka the spider) is that these mass-production items are widely available and much less expensive than retrofit-style aftermarket paired guidebar-style lifters. In the case of Ford specifically, the downside is that factory Ford 5.0L/5.8L Windsor small-blocks intended for use with factory hydraulic roller lifters and cams have taller lifter bosses than previous Ford small-blocks to fully support the taller factory hydraulic-roller lifters. The new lifter's oil groove and hole are located higher up on the lifter body than the original flat-tappet configuration or the retrofit aftermarket guidebar-style roller lifter. Installing the factory roller lifters in preroller-cam factory blocks running larger cams ground on the stock base circle could cause the lifter to rise so high in the boss that its oil hole is uncovered. There are no OEM Cleveland or Modified blocks with the taller lifter bosses, as production of that engine family ended long before factory roller cams were introduced. The premium, most bulletproof solution is stepping up to the pricey aftermarket retrofit-paired guidebar lifters (such as Comp Cams PN 8931-16).
To use the more economical factory OEM-style lifters (such as Comp PN 851-16) with a spider-and-guide retrofit kit (Comp PN 31-1000), you'll need to have the cam ground on a reduced base circle. This is what KT Engines did on "The Mutt" buildup. Because on a reduced-base-circle cam the lifter starts out lower in the lifter bore, the lifter's oil groove won't rise out the top of the bore at full lift. The downside is that valvetrain geometry requires correction with an adjustable valvetrain and custom-length pushrods, which will have to be determined during initial engine mockup. There are also theoretical durability issues: A reduced-base-circle cam billet is thinner, so there's more core flex and each lobe sees higher point and pressure loading. The stock Ford cam base circle is larger than the small-block Chevy, which in theory makes a Ford cam stronger and also permits grinding quicker lobe profiles not otherwise obtainable on a Chevy; so, again in theory, by reducing the base circle, you are giving up some of the supposed advantages of a Ford over a Chevy. In the non-pro-racer world, these are not critical issues. Remember, too, that really big-lift, full-race cams must be ground on a reduced base circle so they can physically fit through the block's cam journal bores.
There have been some changes since the "The Mutt" article was written. Crane Cams has reorganized and currently sells only motorcycle parts. Ford Cleveland heads flow much better on the intake than the exhaust, so a dual-pattern grind is preferable to the originally specified 234-degree-duration, single-pattern cam. Consider a Comp Cams custom profile based on its SFI lobe series: No. 3016 for the intake side (230 degrees duration at 0.050, 0.612-inch valve lift with 1.7:1 rockers); No. 3037 on the exhaust (236 degrees duration, 0.607-inch lift). For a carbureted engine, have the cam ground on a 110-degree LSA and install it 4 degrees advanced (106-degree intake centerline).
I'm told Cleveland hydraulic roller cams have become popular enough that (unless otherwise specified) it's now standard practice at Comp to grind them all on a reduced base circle to avoid any potential problems-but it never hurts to make sure when ordering that it's indeed the case. In Comp's nomenclature, if ordering a custom-ground Ford cam, appending an "S" to the lobe profile (as in 3016S) specifies a reduced base circle cam; an "F" suffix would designate a standard, nonreduced base circle.
Meanwhile, KT Engines continues to refine the basic 400M-based engine package. Instead of using the originally specified Chrysler 340 pistons and small-block Chevy connecting rods, it says it now prefers an Eagle 4.25-inch stroker crank for a 351W Ford/400M-size main journals and Chevy 2.1-inch rod journals, Eagle Chevy LS1 rods with up to a 6.560-inch center-to-center length, and KT's own custom piston or a Diamond Racing Boss 302 piston (typically, with about a 1.600-inch piston compression distance with a 6.560-length rod in a 400M block). The Eagle crank drops right into a 351M/400 block, and the lightweight unit is internally balanced. On a 4.040-inch bore 400M, displacement moves up to 436 ci (instead of 431 ci with the previous 4.2-inch stroke). The Eagle LS1 rod has a stronger beam, is lighter, and clears everything better. Similar big strokers can also be built up from 351C or 351W blocks using Eagle cranks and rods with custom pistons. Contact KT Engines for further information on these refined combos.
Another drawback of the original buildup was the 400M-style, low-rise, dual-plane intake. There's a very limited selection of tall-deck 400 intakes, compared to the many available 351C manifolds. Price Motorsport offers adapter plates to adapt 351C Cleveland intakes for use on 351M/400 blocks.
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V-6 IN Sunfire
I own an '03 Pontiac Sunfire. I was wondering if it would be possible to swap out the stock 2.2L Ecotec for the later model Sunfire GT 3.1L V-6. Will this motor bolt right up, or will I have to modify the engine mounts? Will it bolt up to the automatic transmission? If you have any suggestions for an easier swap or similar motor as far as performance I would also greatly appreciate the feedback.
Theo Wendt
Hugo, MN
Anything's possible, but is it practical? Along with the Chevrolet Cavalier, Pontiac's Sunfire is a member of GM's third-generation J-body. Only four-cylinder engines were factory-installed in these cars. The '96-'02 Sunfire GT used the 2.4L (146ci) RPO LD9, a DOHC Quad-4 variant with twin balance shafts rated at 150 hp and 155 lb-ft. In '03, the Ecotec was introduced: Your 2.2L (134ci) Ecotec variant carries a 140hp/150 lb-ft rating.
RPO LG8 (VIN J), the modern version of the 3.1L (191ci) 60-degree V-6, is found in larger cars, typically the '00-'03 Pontiac Grand Prix SE and Chevy Malibu, the '01-'02 Chevy Lumina, and the '00-'05 Buick Century. Rated output ranged from 170 to 175 hp and 190 to 195 lb-ft. Although a solid, dependable grocery-getter, the pushrod 3.1L V-6 is nothing to write home about; the DOHC Ecotec has much more performance potential and hot rod parts availability.
Because the 3.1L V-6 was not offered stock in your chassis, custom fabrication skills would be needed to install it. Front-end weight with the V-6's iron block and aluminum heads would increase over your all-aluminum four-banger. The Ecotec and GM 3.1L V-6 have different trans mounting patterns, so your existing trans won't bolt up, either. As is the case with any late-model swap, a knowledge of wiring, electronics, and computer interface is needed. A typical cross-platform FWD (front-wheel-drive) GM swap involves grabbing the entire front engine and transaxle (aka the "powertrain assembly"), the front cradle, the computer, and the wiring harness from the donor vehicle, then trying to figure out how to graft all this into the receiver vehicle. You should have access to the complete factory service manuals and wiring diagrams for both vehicles.
In my opinion, this is way too much effort to gain a measly 30 hp. Instead, keep what you have and install a GM Performance Parts supercharger kit on the 2.0L engine (GM kit PN 17800003 fit the '03-'05 Cavalier and Sunfire). This will raise output over 200 hp without the need for a time-consuming, expensive engine swap. GM's kit includes all necessary hard parts, but your GM dealer still has to reflash the computer. There are also complete supercharged and turbocharged Ecotecs from later cars, but this could require the later wiring harness, fuel system, and computer. And most were only offered with a manual trans. For more information on hopping the Ecotec, see HOT ROD, July '07, "Ecotec to Go."
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Blown ZZ4 Spark Plugs
I am writing regarding the article about a supercharged GM 350 crate ZZ4 engine ("ZZ4 Power Boost," Mar. '09). I am putting this motor together the way the article was written, but I have come across one small problem: There is no such spark plug as the nonprojected Autolite No. 3935 you used. I want to put the motor together the way you did it. What is the correct plug?
Thomas First
St. Peters, MO
The supercharged motor needed a colder plug than those offered in Autolite's standard street series, so we used an Autolite race plug that may not be listed in its standard catalog: PN AR3935 has a 5/8-inch hex, 3/4-inch reach, and a gasket seat. If you can't find the plugs locally, Jegs sells them for $2.69 each (as of July 2009). Competitive alternatives include a Champion C63C or an NGK R5671A-7.
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Torque Output Vs. Crankshaft Stroke
This table illustrates the theoretical changes in the torque and power outputs of typical small- and big-block Chevy engines due to an increase in stroke (cylinder-bore size remaining unchanged). The data are based on sophisticated computer modeling simulations conducted by Dave Ebbert at DNE Motorsports Development. Except as noted, all dimensional data are in linear inches.
|Compression ratio
|Bore × Stroke
|4.030 × 3.48
|4.030 × 3.75
|4.310 × 4.0
|4.310 × 4.25
|Rod length
|Rod/stroke ratio
|Bore/stroke ratio
|Piston compression distance
|Max piston speed
|6,529 ft/min at 75 degrees ATDC
|6,529 ft/min at 74 degrees ATDC
|6,421 ft/min at 74 degrees ATDC
|6,421 ft/min at 73 degrees ATDC
|Critical tension
|9,546 rpm
|9,114 rpm
|8,277 rpm
|7,969 rpm
|Intake port flow
|240 cfm
|240 cfm
|270 cfm
|300 cfm
|370 cfm
|270 cfm
|290 cfm
|Output at peak torque
|409 lb-ft/404 hp at 5,191 rpm
|442 lb-ft/403 hp at 4,783 rpm
|539 lb-ft/453 hp at 4,415 rpm
|543 lb-ft/507 hp at 4,905 rpm
|551 lb-ft/634 hp at 6,050 rpm
|575 lb-ft/452 hp at 4,129 rpm
|577 lb-ft/487 hp at 4,435 rpm
|Output at peak power
|380 lb-ft/496 hp at 6,852 rpm
|412 lb-ft/495 hp at 6,314 rpm
|502 lb-ft/557 hp at 5,827 rpm
|505 lb-ft/622 hp at 6,475 rpm
|512 lb-ft/779 hp at 7,986 rpm
|535 lb-ft/555 hp at 5,450 rpm
|537 lb-ft/598 hp at 5,854 rpm


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NEW YORK/SEATTLE (Reuters) - Members of Microsoft Corp's board have held talks with ValueAct Capital Management LP in recent days over the activist shareholder's demands to secure a seat on the company's board, two sources close to the matter said on Friday.
ValueAct, which wants a say in the way the world's largest software company is adapting to the new world of mobile computing, is seeking to nominate a person from its own organization, the sources said.
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Gates, who founded Microsoft in 1975 with Paul Allen, still owns about 4.8 percent of the company and is the largest individual shareholder. Ballmer, who is also on the board, owns about 4 percent.
Alongside Gates and Ballmer, seven independent directors make up Microsoft's nine-person board. The lead independent director is John Thompson, a former Symantec Corp and IBM executive.
Microsoft's shares closed down 11.4 percent at $31.40 on Nasdaq on Friday, but recovered slightly to $31.58 in after-hours trading, after the news that board members were in talks with ValueAct.
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He looks almost like a limo driver Gman but what do I know? Is that how they dress? I've never been their Did we find the nearest train station?Did anyone post the taxi service in Osaka? sorry in advance if I missed it. Osaka taxi1. Toho Taxi Co., Ltd. 66592523 2. Osaka Kojin Taxi Rengokai 67711437 3. Inoyama Taxi Co., Ltd. 63282510 4. Chidori Taxi Co., Ltd. 66612181 5. Aozora Kotsu 67938180 In the central areas of the city, you will never have any trouble finding a taxi. They line the main street, Midosuji, 24-hours a day, waiting for passengers. In fact, the Osaka Municipal Transport Bureau concedes that Osaka has 30,000 more taxis than required. Now that`s a lot of vehicles. Bear in mind the fare - expect about 2000 yen for a ten minute trip. It is easy to find a taxi in Osaka. In fact, there is a long queau of taxi in front of the JR Station opposite Hilton Hotel and Hanshin Department Store. If you are in the downtown area like Umeda Skyline, you will have no problem taking a taxi. Taxi drivers, can be very crazy in japan. The streets are much smaller than the US and they do drive fast! Oh and don't try to stiff your driver. they'll prevent you grom getting out of the vehicle (The doors have no indoor handles)
There was a very big festival (天神祭) in Osaka from 23 July to 25 July 2007, would there be any tasks related to this event?http://album.blog.yam.com/BPHiL&folder=3064164In the preview showing Nathan and Jennifer in HK airport, they were actually standing in front of an internet kiosk which can be found after checking in and clearing custom.
This shot was taken here between 3:53 and 5:24 pm (assumes July 25th or 26th).
It doesn't at all, since the airport arrival times I have are 1750 and 1905. By the following afternoon, I expect teams to either be in Taipei or in a pitstop in Osaka.
That robot is cute! Did we know that the clown is in front of a restaurant? Why did I think it was a toy store? Here's a review--we haven't had an eating task yet.... http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/asia/japan/osaka/restaurant-detail.html?vid=1154654650552
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The Hot Spring County Extension Homemakers Council will have their annual Brickfest Quilt Show in the Educational Room at the Hot Spring County Fairgrounds on Friday, June 28 from 9 a.m. until 6 p.m. and Saturday, June 29 from 9 a.m. until 2 p.m.
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Vol. XXIV — No. 7
BETHEL INSTITUTE, St. Paul, Minnesota March 21, 1945
Work On The Spire Halted
W. Peterson
Announces Decision DR. JOHN HERRMANN
All work on the '45 Spire was Prog r am
stopped last week after a meeting Tuesday, March 27, is to be IS GUEST SPEAKER on Wednesday afternoon of Pres. a very special evening here at
Wingblade,•Walfred Peterson, edi- Bethel. We want each one of
tor, William Peterson, Business you to reserve that night and
manger, and Dana Larson, the for Dr. John Herrmann, Professor of
program. The place is the col-plan
to attend our Freshman Easter • mer editor. .Philosophy and Psychology from
The decision was reached after lege chapel, and the time is Bob Jones College, Cleveland, Ten-much
discussion. Some of the rea- eight o'clock. Vacation nessee, is the guest speaker during
sons were: lack of student cooper- Easter vacation officially begins Deeper Life ,W eek, March 19-23. He
Our six piece all-freshman or- is speaking in the college chapel ation; difficulty in scheduling of at 5:30 P. M. on Wednesday,
chestra, directed by Bob Nel- Monday, Wednesday and Friday the photography; uncertainty in March 28. Classes will resume
son, will begin the evening with during the chapel hour. A girl's financial standing; and shortage in again for the last quarter of the
time required to complete the re.
a rousing medley. Following
school year at 8:00 A. M. Wednes- trio, male quartet, and saxaphone
that will be fifteen minutes full duet are providing special music. quisite work. ddaayy, April 4.
of singing old time favorites by Maurice Lundh is leading the sing-
All funds obtained through ad- everybody, accompanied by the Many students will stay on the ing during these services.
vertising will be returned to the orchestra. During the remain- campus or near vicinity because
der of the program the enter- of the short vacation. Every evening Dr. Herrmann is
subscribers at the earliest possible tainment will be vocal and in- speaking in the seminary chapel
date. The expenses incurred in the strumental solos and trios and from six until seven and at the
book's development will be taken also a humorous monologue. Elim Baptist Church, 13th and
from the subscriptions of students, The main feature of this event- Red Cross Madison Streets, East Minneapolis,
f at 7:45 P. M. which are paid into the student ful evening will be Paul Ebling
from the First Baptist Church
activity fee. Remaining funds will of Minneapolis. At one time he Need
be returned to the students or ap- was a professional gambler, but
plied to next year's edition. This is now living for our Lord. He Presented Outstanding
will be decided at a future date. will show us his life of the past
and give us the testimony of his Thursday, March fifteenth, Beth- Film Presented wonderful conversion. el Chapel service had as guest
speaker, Mrs. Brenton McLeod, Thursday, March 8, after a lunch
tertain you but it will also en Red Teams This evening will not only en-
Red Cross representative from the at the regular meeting of the Beth-
Reorganized lighten you spiritually. St. Paul chapter. Mrs. McLeod told el Womens Association, all stu-of
the humanitarian services ren- dents gathered in the college
Bethel gospel teams have been dered by the Red Cross, especially chapel to see the outstanding film,
in time of war and disaster. "The Man Who Forgot God." The reorganized into four teams with Students Visit film is a very impressive story of
Ray Larson, Robert Daley, Clar- Also included in the Red Cross a young man determined to do the
ence Lauer, and Clarence Sahlin Jewish Home program sponsored by the Fresh- Lord's will, promising himself for
man Class were a song by the
as leaders. This semester the gos - foreign missionary service. But
Missionary Band will meet again girl's trio composed of Jean Ham he forgot God when business pros- pel team bus will be at the disposal
tonight, March 21, at the Hebrew lett, Grac Jorgenson, and Norma pered; it took the death of his of the groups. Visits to out-of- on Hamline and Midway Baustian, and a solo by Neva Lill cchhiilldd to bring him back, to make
town churches, street meetings, Parkway at 8:00 P. M. Mr. Peter- jemark. Robert Daley. acting as him re-dedicate his life to Christ.
and services at various missions son, the mission director, and his master of ceremonies depicted the
are being planned by the director, workers are giving this opportun- tragic setting of a Japanese pi son
ity to see the present Jewish work camp an the almost inhuman
Harold Carlson. Women' s Federation
and learn about their plans for the treatmest she prisoners recr.ive.
A group joined in fellowship future. This work is a new pro- He said, "It is in places like this
with the young people of East ject for the Minnesota Baptist that the eT er ready Red Cross does Plan Concerts
Emmanuel Lutheran church last
Conference. If it is possible, some much of bring comforting cheer."
of the Jewish people will be pre- The Bethel Women's Federation
Monday evening. After the open- sent. A tour will be conducted Mrs. McI.cod's comment on the Chorus, with Bonnevieve Opel as
ing song service led by Robert Nel- through the building, and refresh- Bethel student body was: "The director, is planning two Spring
son, Norma Seaquist had charge of ments will be served at the mis- Bethel 3tudents seem to De a clean- Concerts to be given during April.
devotions. Musical numbers in the sion. cut, unusual group of fine young The Chorus is composed of women
program consisted of trumpet solos Those planning to attend should people. T was very much impress- rrom twin cities Churches; women
by Bob Nelson and songs by the sign the sheet on the bulletin board ed by their marvelous receptive who are vitally interested in the
Pl n b i
trio: Grace Jorgenson, Elaine Pe- for tthhaat purpose. Plans are being attitude. - Proof of their coopera- ____ welfare of Bethel and who sponsor
made to arrange a meeting place
g ors, and Jean Hamlett. Carl Ek- for those attending and these ar- tion is evident in that their con- programs to promote and aid
strand gave the message in which rangements will be announced or tributions and pledges amounted to Bethel.
he illustrated the wonderful way posted on the bulletin board. almost one hundred and twenty-that
God answers prayer. five dollars.
Assisting artists at the concerts
are Miss June Stromgren, soloist,
After the program, the East Em- Other meetings have been held Mrs. McLeod has been enlisted and Mrs. Edwin Omark, violinist.
manuel young people invited the at the Lenea Home for the Aged, in the Red Cross field of service Tickets are on sale in the main of-
Bethelites to stay for a social Ober Boys Club, the West Side for a yea; and a half and has taken Tice for fifty cents. The concerts
time and refreshments. They had Mission. Every Wednesday night an active parts during the last six are at 8:15 p. m.—April 20th at
decorated the table with gay green a group of students has been go- months. She a v e r a g e s five Payne Avenue Baptist Church,
and white shamrocks to bring out ing to the Christian Cheer Center speeches a week in various schools April 27th at First Swedish Baptist
the St. Patrick's Day theme. at Fort Snelling. and organiaztions. Church.
Page 2 THE BETHEL CLARION
A bi-weekly campus newspaper.
1480 North Snelling Ave., St. Paul, Minn.
by Lawrence Wagstrom
As a Christian, what is your re-cipe
for a successful life?
Lois Amstutz : "I would want to
live as the verse says, Tor me
to live is Christ' and take a vo-cation
through which I might
serve others and in so doing
serve the Master."
Nell Larsen: "I would feel that I
was attaining success in my own
life by supervising music in
some small church, working es-pecially
with the children, and
also being a church missionary
in the community. I don't feel
that any Christian could be suc-cessful
without placing soul-win-ning
Ray Larson : "A Christian should
be wholly and unreservedly
given over to the will of God and
be led and guided into the path-way
of life which God has pat-terned
for him."
Eloise Jensen: "Success in a
Christian life is being able to
say in all sincerity, "Thy will be
done,' and to abide by that will.
As problems arise, great or
small, one should always ask,
`What would Jesus do'?"
Phyllis Noren: "I think the most
important thing in living a Chris-tian
life is to love everybody to
the extent that you can pray for
them with love in your heart
and can be free of the tempta-tion
to say something to discre-someone
Harold Dark: "I would want to
live so that when I come to the
end of my life, I can look back
and see what I have done for
others and how I have helped
win them for Christ. A surren-dered
life is having your will
God's will."
Greta Fredrickson: "I want to live
so filled with the Holy Spirit
that I would be conscious of
every person I met as to whether
they were saved or not, and- if
not, do my utmost to win them."
Frank Shindo: "Success in my life
would be obedience to God—if
you obey God, you will be doing
God's will."
Phyllis Johnson: "First I want to
be sure that I am in the Lord's
will and through identification
with Christ, strive for the goal
which He has set before me."
Bill Yokota: "In my opinion no
person can say that he is a
Christian unless he is serving
God in the best way possible
and is doing his service accord-ing
to the will of God. Whether
it be full time or part time ser-vice,
in a church or as a social
worker, his aim should be to
glorify God and to lead others
to Him. Then his success will be
measured 'by the humbleness of
his service."
Jim Anderson: "If I want to be
successful as a Christian, I
should try to live a Christian
life, have a truly sincere testi-mony,
and work full time as a
In America we are living some-what
remote from the terrors of
war, but not too far to feel the im-pact
of its physical suffering. This
world is battered, bl?,eding, and
broken; children are learning ex-cruciating
pain in the school of
experience. Service-people the
world over are lying in some place
with their bodies hosts to suffer-ing.
These brave men and women
are arrayed in the ranks of a
lofty cause, but they are suffering
because of sin. Noc so with the
Lord Jesus Christ: he suffered for
sin. "For God made him to be sin
for us," that he "his own self
(could) bare our sins in his own
body on the tree."
And so in a world at war the ap-proach
of another Easter season
brings to my mind the oft over-looked
fact that Christ did suffer
physically for us. I, perhaps I
only, but I think not- -find myself
erroneously believing that ,because
Jesus was God in some mysterious
way He spared real bodily suffer-ing
and that His was all mental
pain. One must only stop to look
and listen at Golgotha's hill to
know how false such reasoning is.
See His four gaping wounds, v atch
those pale-thin-blue lips, listen! as
he cries, "I thirst!" Only vinegar
to slake the thirst of that feverish
body is offered. But, this scene is
too sacred, too awful is the suffer-ing;
let us hasten on. Yet, before
we leave the thoughts of His
broken body, let us pray that God
will impress indelibly in our minds
and hearts that Christ did suffer
physically for our sins, "and not
Say not we laugh too much,
Or that we dream in vain;
Graveness of war may touch
Even the coolest brain.
We, so endowed with hope,
Laughter, and valor strong,
Left in the dark to grope,
Find courage in joy and song.
We have known much of hate,
Much of the world's blind greed.
War-lords have planned our Fate
And tried to command our creed.
Yet in our hearts there lies
Something of inborn strength
Such as all storm defies
And promises peace at length.
for ours only, but for the sins of
the whole world."
Can you, or I, forget those who
are suffering because of sin; or He
who suffered for sin? No, to those
gold stars and to those blue ones
too, we can give our pledge to
work untiringly to hasten the corn-ing
of the day when the "Prince of
Peace" shall rule the kind of a
world that they are fighting for.
No pledge to the Saviour will suf-fice.
We must through the power
of the Holy Spirit live lives of ap-preciation
by separating ourselves
from sin. This clearly is the scrip-tural
reason for the suffering of
Christ both physical and spiritual.
Peter teaches us that, "Christ al-so
suffered for us, leaving us an
(example, that ye should follow
His steps: Who did no sin, neither
was guile found in his mouth:"
Read the first two verses of the
fourth chapter of First Peter.
These verses instruct us that we
should suffer with Christ and live
no longer to the flesh, but to the
will of God. Then, if we under-stand
the sufferings of the Sav-ior,
such a knowledge will separate
us from sin.
"Sin, with its follies, I gladly re-sign;
All of its pleasures, pomp and its
Give me but Jesus, my Lord cruci-fied."
Mrs. C. H. Morris.
Out of the darkest night
Our laughter shall ring out clear,
We shall be glad despite
The presence of doubt and fear.
Bid us ever to look
On wrongs that our foes have
Take from us pen and book,
Put in our hands a gun.
Leave us our laughter though,
It is so small a thing;
We shall need much, you know,
Though we forget to sing.
You say, "They laugh too much",
You of the older ones.
Laughter will be a crutch
For those who will soon bear
—Mary Elizabeth Hamlin
Blest they who seek,
While in their youth,
With spirit meek,
The way of truth;
To them the sacred Scriptures new display
Christ as the only true and living way.
His precious blood on Calvary was given
To make them heirs of endless bliss in heaven;
And e'en on earth the child of God can trace
The glorious blessings of his Saviour's grace.
For them He bore
His Father's frown;
For them He wore
The thorny Crown;
Nailed to the Cross,
Endured its pain,
That His life's loss
Might be their gain.
Then haste to choose
That better part,
Nor dare refuse
The Lord thy heart,
Lest He declare,
"I know you not,"
And deep des pair
Should be your lot.
Now look to Jesus, who on Calvary died,
And/ trust in HAm alone, who there was crucified
Recipe.) for Success
Edited by Irene Hess
Today's Youth Speak
THE BETHEL CLARION Page 3
by Mabel Anderson
S—miles and more smiles! Rea-son?
Well, they are various.
Gloria Anderson claims it's that
certain someone in Navy, while
Jane Larson states it's those
new dishes she and Harold
bought for that "little home for
two." Mae Belle Anderson and
Nel Larson have quite a differ-ent
reason for smiles! Donned
in slacks, their hair in pig tails
and a bag of pop corn in one
hand, they approached the tic-ket
office for their admission to
the Shrine Circus. "Forty cents,
please." Now do you see why
they smiled—children pay forty
cents! Others claim the reason
for their smiling glances is due
to March 17 and "the wearing
of the "grin." "
P—ranks and more pranks. With
the warm spring breezes filling
the air, a wave of restlessness
has pervaded the Dorm, which
resulted in mischievous mo-ments.
Virginia Peterson, While
trying to enter her pitch black
room, was seen entangled in
numerous cobwebs, which prov-ed
to be the "stringing along"
of certain dorm termites. Some-one,
but who????, evidently
trying to get the last use of the
winter flannels before putting
them in hibernation, scared
many a dorm girl when the
stuffed form of "red flannel
Emory" was discovered hiding
in the various closets.
R—ain and more rain! The snow
has fast melted, puddles are
every where, and the weather
forecasts have emphasized rain.
But there's one thing definitely
wrong. The "early bugs" who
sleepily cross the campus for
the 7:00 "starter-offer," claim
that they just can't see the
puddles—but they sure can
feel the results—cold feet!
I—ndolence, and lots of it! "With
the sun beaming in the win-dows,
how can studying be ac-complished!
It's so much nicer
to relax and listen to the radio",
say Dorothy Carlson and Peggy
Peterson. "It's a good thing
Easter vacation is around the
corner," say LaVerne Gothburg
and Nita Johnson, who are anx-iously
awaiting- their anticipat-ed
trip to Chicago.
N—ightingales ! Birds and more
birds have been seen on the
campus lately, and the Zoology
students with their field glasses
in hand are busily trying to find
out the chief characteristics of
the ayes. The love birds cannot
be forgotten, and word has
been received that Barbara Ed-son
spends a good deal of her
time writing to a special love
bird. Now Barb has a big
picture of a mail box on her
door with the quotation, "Can
you pass a mail box with a
clear conscience?"
G—ames! Outdoor sports are in the
air, and soon the news of base-ball
events will be important
Letter From
A Friend
March 16, 1945
Dear nice people and the rest of
Here I am again after a three-month
vacation. Man! was I really
away that long? I'm sorry, folks,
honest I am, but once a fellow
starts being lazy it's so easy to
drift along in the unconscious bliss
of doing nothing.
At first some of you missed me
—I heard rumors to the effect,
"When is he coming out?", but as
time went on I was left to die a
natural death. My closest friends
deserted me; all, that is, except
my faithful business manager. (He
would naturally stick around, he
had access to my money, a good
sum at that.)
I was almost willing to fade out
of the picture. I thought nobody
loved me, then one night as I was
taking my last walk around the
familiar grounds I came upon a
group talking about me. I was sure
they were making out my will, di-viding
my means of support, but
I hung around kinda' quiet like.
To my surprise they were planning
to revive me. They hashed me over
many ways, then decided to bring
me around to face all you people
again. I thought that would be
hard after such a long time, but
why should it bother me? After
all, it's YOU who are responsible
for me. If you want me to go
around looking like a ghost, that's
all right with me. It's you who are
supplying the news and views that
I thrive on. I'm raring to go
you're the onces who were dying.
The staff and I got together.
Now rumors are out that I'm ap-pearing
again, and as we hear
"Don't tell me he's actually com-ing
out!" we laugh and say, "We'll
show you."
I must stop, I'm busy you know.
I hope you'll let me stay with you.
I might be touchy now though so
you just better cooperate with me.
(I want to be babied—keep feeding
Sincerely yours,
The Clarion.
conversation. And, speaking of
games, Mary Lou Rademacher
and Doris Johnson have their
own original ideas! While work-ing
at Walgreens, the two,
while carrying a five gallon can
of melted ice cream from the
basement, spilled it all over the
place, including the brim of the
bosses' hat. The two can now
be heard saying, "Wanted—a
Put them all together, smiles,
pranks, rain, indolence, nightin-gales,
games and we have it—
March 21! Welcome spring!
by Walfred Peterson
The sky
At last the other day
Donned its coveralls of gray,
And turned its back upon the sun
And did a work long left undone.
With rain it swept away the snow,
With rain it caused the soot to go,
And then it laid aside the broom,
And kissed the earth—now tulips
Our Tortuous
We'll begin with box. The plural is
• boxes,
But the plural of ox should be
oxen, not oxes.
One foul is a goose, but two are
called geese,
Yet the plural of mouse should
never be meese,
You may find a lone mouse, or a
whole nest of mice,
But the plural of house is houses,
not hice,
If the plural of man is always
called men,
Why shouldn't the plural of pan be
called pen?
The cow in the plural may be call-ed
cows or kine,
But a bow—if repeated—is never
called bine,
And the plural of vow is -vows,
never vine.
If I speak of a foot, and you show
me two feet,
And I give you a boot, would a
pair be called beet?
If the singular's this, and the plur-al
is these,
Should the plural of kiss ever be
written keese?
Then one may be that, and the
two would be those,
Yet hat in the plural would never
be hose.
And the plural of cat is cats, and
not cose.
The masculine pronouns are he,
his, and him,
But ipaagine the feminine she, s.his,
and shim!
So the English, I think you'll agree,
Is the- funniest language one ever
did see.
Sem SitatcheA.
by Lloyd Sprecher
Several of the fellows in the
Seminary are trying to determine
just what they are, men or mice.
It's not off record, off the beam,
or off anything; it's completely on
—are we men or mice?
Men go to the Seminary; men
spend time in the Dorm rooms;
men get into desk drawers, and
mull over notes and note books;
when (ever) they clean the
rooms, _ men brush around the
steam pipes leading to the rad-iators;
men do all these things.
But who ever heard of mice doing
such things as I have mentioned?
That's where the story falls down,
because there has been at least
one family of mice scurrying from
the gym to the classroom, to the
cloak room, to the Dorm room in
the Seminary building, spending
time in the Dorm rooms, getting
into desk drawers, mulling over
notes and note books, "brushing"
around the steam pipes, just as our
men do.
There's one thing I forgot to
mention; that was something
about an 0 Henry and "where
did it go?" According to the above
analysis of things, one mouse ate
from one end of Mr. Henry, and
another "mouse" (?) ate what Mr.
First Mouse didn't want. (For fur-ther
details, see Bob Sandin.)
The story is coming to a tragic
end, however. It seems that one
clan of "mice" has taken it upon
itself to exterminate, by hack or
trap, the opposing clan of mice.
Leaving it to me, though, I can't
help but think of the adage, which
says, "Birds of a feather flock. . ."
Yeah, have you heard this one?
One steak is $1.50; two steaks
cost $3.00; three cost $4.50; four
cost $6.00; and FIVE cost $7.50.
I pay one night, you the next, and
so on. Simply, it means that each
pays $7.50 once every sixth time.
It seems that Bill Pete couldn't
afford to attend the opera. You
make the transition and applica-tion.
Fellows, have you tried to get
hold of the telephone? The 'phone
not in use is like opening a bag of
candy in a Kindergarten. (Editor's
note: Did you ever open a bag (or
box) of candy at BETHEL?)
It is good to see our Seminary
fellows develop their latencies.
Bob Bergerud is the man with the
bass horn (with two "blares," one
isn't enough) ; Bob Nelson has
completed negotiations for a "sto-mach
Wurlitzer"; John Agee
swings the "Big Rock Candy
Mountain" around the harp; Bob
Norstrom is looking for big red
Mar. 19-23—Deeper Life Week
Mar. 21— (Wed.) Missionary
Mar. 27 (Tues.) Fresh. Program
Mar. 2S-5:30—Vacation begins
Apr. 4-8:00— Classes resume
1573 University Avenue Midway 9910
Meats at Fair Prices
Fruits and Vegetables
597 Snelling Avenue North Ne. 8621
Page 4 THE BETHEL CLARION
A Spring View of Bethel Sports Girls Complete
Successful Season
Basketball liost thz
Season Closes gm/144004
The Bethel Indians completed
their conference season with a
-victory over Bethany Lutheran
College of Mankato Saturday, Feb-ruary
24th on the Bethel court.
The score was 47-41. Wally Peter-son,
the Indian forward, was again
high point man with 7 field goals
and 3 free throws making a total
of 17. Bob Nelson was runner up
with 9 points.
Due to wartime conditions the
Southern Minnesota Junior College
conference, composed normally of
ten teams, was represented this
year by only three teams—Bethel,
Bethany Lutheran and Concordia.
Concordia finished in first place
with 5 wins and no losses while
Bethel had 2 victories and 3 de-feats
for second place.
Non-conference games compris-ed
over half of Bethel's schedule
for the season. The red and white
encountered stiff opposition at the
hands of the thr4 Wisconsin state
teachers colleges at Eau Claire,
River Falls and Superior. The Eau
Claire team, which was Wiscon-sin's
entry in the National Inter-collegiate
Basketball tournament
at Kansas City this past week, pro-vided
the most thrilling game at
Bethel this year. The Indians
forged into the lead midway in the
second half only to succumb to the
Peds' fast breaking attack in the
remaining minutes of the game.
Peterson with 14 points and Hails
with 9 were the Bethel stars. Some
of the other non-conference games
found Bethel losing to River Falls
47-33 after a very close first half,
to Augsburg College 49-35, and to
Eau Claire in a return game 55-35.
Wally Peterson and Captain Bob
Sandin were Bethel's mainstays
throughout the season—Pete for
his defensive and rebound play as
well as continual high scoring and
Sandin for his consistent, well-bal-anced
all around play.
The loss of Wendell Lindstrom,
Bethel's starting forward who en-listed
in the United States Navy
midway in the season was costly
to the team. His rapid improve-ment
on the hardwood court was
noticeable to all the fans and his
return to basketball at Bethel will
be welcomed.
Letter winners for the 1944-45
season are Robert Daley, Robert
Hails, Wendell Lindstrom, Robert
Nelson, Walfred Peterson, Clar-ence
Sahlin, Captain Bob Sandin
and Harris Youngquist.
The conclusion of the basketball
season finds Walfred Peterson
Bethel's high scorer. He accumul-ated
a total of 158 points on 69
field goals and 20 free throws, hav-ing
connected on 33.8% of his
shots from the floor. Second high
was Clarence Sahlin with 76 points
followed by Sandin with 66 and
Nelson with 63. 4k:
Peterson's 69 field goals give him
the lead in this department as does
his 20 gift shots, although Sandin
had the best free throw percent-age.
Sandin also received the dub-ious
honor of having the greatest
number of fouls called against him
The following table shows the
season's totals for field goals, free
throws, free throws missed, fouls
and total points
fg ft ftm f tp
Peterson 69 20 27 32 158
Sahlin 32 12 18 34 76
Sandin 25 16 18 36 66
Nelson 28 7 15 23 63
Lindstrom 23 13 19 10 59
Hails 19 10 13 27 48,
Youngquist 4 7 8 9 15
Daley 3 2 3 5 8
On Tuesday, March 13, during
Convocation, Dr. Darrell Harmone,
Psychophysiologist from the Texas
Board of health, gave an illustrat-ed
lecture on the subject, "The ef-fect
of improper lighting on
posture and health."
March 20 Missionary Anders Nil-son
showed pictures illustrating
"The Call of Inland China."
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The University of Minnesota, has
it, the University of Wisconsin has
it, the University of Ohio has it,
and Bethel is going to have it this
year too. "What?", you say. Why
track of course. Who ever heard
of a good school without a track
team? As the early days of April
roll around, you will probably see
the tracksters of both the college
and the seminary out on the base-ball
field exercising to prepare
themselves for the coming "dual-meet"
between the college and the
Ping Pony
Together with the "track meet"
the freshies of Bethel are also
planning a ping-pong tournament
to climax the week-end of excite-ment
and entertainment. So warm
up your paddles you ping-pong ex-perts
and let's, win those medals
and ribbons.
A handball tournament is soon
to be offered for the college and
seminary men. There will be a
singles elimination tournament and
also a consolation bracket depend-ing
upon the number who are in-terested.
An entry blank will be
posted on the bulletin board and
all who wish to participate are
urged to sign up.
This procedure will also be fol-lowed
by a table tennis tourna-ments
for both girls and boys.
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The girl's basketball team has
had a good season this year with
its only losses to the University
Farm School. Most of the compet-ition
has been in the college gym,
but games have also been played
at Northwestern Bible School, the
Farm School, and Cambridge High
School. The highlight of the sea-son
proved to be the trip to Cam-bridge
where the girls were chap-eroned
by Mrs. Paul Edwards and
entertained by the Cambridge
Girl's Athletic Association.
The team expects to have a few
more games and an annual party
before the 1944-45 basketball sea-son
officially closes.
Recently, some interest has been
shown in organizing a girl's vol-ley
ball team. No official action
has been taken as yet, but a few
girls have been meeting in the col-lege
gym or Saturday mornings
or afternoons to practice. Anyone
interested in playing or learning
to play is invited to join the group
and if enough interest is shown, it
may be !possible to organize a
At the end of the Freshman
Legture period March 7 it was an-nounced
that this would be the
last lecture this year. A vocational
guidance program is being planned
for next year.
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Pete's Retreat"
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Faculty Meet Around
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