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Bale cools Messi and Ronaldo comparison talk
Tottenham winger Gareth Bale insists he has a long way to go before he can be compared to Barcelona's Lionel Messi and Real Madrid's Cristiano Ronaldo.
Bale's standout season for Spurs saw him crowned as the PFA's Player of the Year and Young Player of the Year on Sunday night, fuelling rumours that the world's biggest clubs are lining up bids to lure him away from White Hart Lane in the summer.
Tottenham manager Andre Villas-Boas compared Bale to Ronaldo, one of just three players to scoop the PFA awards double, but the 23-year-old has distanced himself from suggestions that his presence on a team-sheet now sends fear into his opponents.
"I know there are people saying I can develop in the same way Ronaldo did but he and Lionel Messi have set the bar where everyone wants to be," Bale is quoted as saying in the Daily Mirror .
"If people are thinking I can emulate whoever, then that's their opinion. All I can do is try to keep playing my best football and let my football do my talking.
"I'm not too sure if I scare or intimidate teams at this stage. You learn from bad experiences, you take good experiences on board and you just try to keep progressing as a person and as a player and you just grow up.
"I feel I've grown up as a person, as a player. It's just about your motivation in the game. Thankfully I've got that and hopefully there is more to come."
Bale went on to pay a glowing tribute to Villas-Boas after claiming the Premier League's top gongs, as he has insisted his side's push for a Champions League finish is still alive despite some costly setbacks in recent weeks.
"I must say the manager has been amazing this year," added Bale. "I don't think he got given the time at Chelsea, but since he came to Tottenham, he's been amazing, all the hard work he puts in.
"We tried things in pre-season and spoke. Bringing me inside was one of them and obviously that has been a good decision in the end. He has been very good in that sense and hopefully we continue to do that and get into the Champions League again.
"That was the minimum aim at the start. We can still reach our objectives. We're playing some good stuff. We just need to keep focused now, not worry about anybody else."


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The railroad certainly received its share of harassment. Livestock was continuously rustled by tribal raiders, who also boldly shot up work crews and terrorized isolated station towns. Particularly vulnerable were route surveyors, who struck out on their own ahead of the work crews -- and sometimes paid for it with their lives. Twice, Native Americans sabotaged the iron rails themselves. In August 1867 a Cheyenne raiding party decided they would attempt to derail a train. They tied a stick across the rails and succeeded in overturning a handcar, killing its crew of repairmen, with the exception of a man named William Thompson. He was shot and scalped, but lived to tell about it as he traveled back to Omaha with his scalp in a pail of water by his side. In 1868 a group of Sioux created a more intense blockade, upturning both rails and piling wooden ties in between them, then tying the whole thing together with telegraph wire. The resulting wreck killed two crewmen, one of who was crushed beneath the train's boiler.
The Union Pacific was given a small detachment of U.S. troops to help protect the railroad. However they were not enough and the U.P. kept asking the U.S. Government to send more troops. The army had been trying out Pawnee scouts so they asked a Captain North (who had been working with the Pawnee) to make up a regiment of Pawnee men to help with security on the railroad line. These Pawnee troops proved to be very valuable and had a 10 year career as U.S. soldiers. When Ione author spoke with Tom Knife Chief, a Pawnee representitve, Ihe says "I could feel his pride in these men as he told me that in their 10 year service they never lost a man." It was their job to keep the Union Pacific safe.
For the most part, however, the tribes were willing to work with the rail roads. The Central Pacific railroad was offered Army support for protection but turned it down. They had their own ideas on how to deal with the Native Americans. When the railroad came out of the Sierra Nevada Mountains into the Nevada flat land they started running into Paiute tribes. Central Pacific Dignitaries would meet with the Chiefs and offer them treaties. They were offered free passage on the trains, and jobs. They were also told if they gave the railroad problems that the railroad had a great army of men and would defeat them. The Central Pacific at that time started using Paiutes to work on the railroad. As they moved into Shoshone territory they began to use Shoshone workers.
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Following today's announcement by the BBC Trust regarding the appointment of Tony Hall as the next Director-General of the BBC, Simon Robey, Chairman of the Board of Trustees, Royal Opera House, has made the following statement:
"I was not surprised when the BBC turned to Tony to lead them through their current difficulties. They see, as we do, his qualities of leadership and his depth of relevant experience. I can think of nobody better able to bring stability back to the BBC.
"Tony has been a truly distinguished Chief Executive of the Royal Opera House. He has been a tremendous and inspiring force for good. The ROH he will leave in March is very different to the one he took over in 2001. We have a world-class senior team, both artistic and non-artistic, led by Antonio Pappano, Kasper Holten and Kevin O'Hare. Our artistic standards and reputation have never been higher and are unsurpassed around the world. Many, many more people see the extraordinary work of both companies through audience development programmes, ticket pricing initiatives and digital and cinema distribution. We have a very large and impactful education and community engagement programme and we are now a beacon of best practice in the arts sector. We are financially stable and we have changed the mix of our funding so that our ACE grant (now down from 40% to about 25% of our income) and our philanthropic revenue is broadly in balance. Tony deserves credit for all of this and we now face the future, with its inevitable challenges and opportunities, with strong foundations and very broad and loyal support.
"Speaking personally, I will miss him tremendously. He has been an outstanding colleague and friend, as I know he has been to many others at the Royal Opera House.
"We will turn immediately to finding a worthy successor. I am confident that this exceptional place will continue to be led by an exceptional person.
"There will be good occasions to celebrate Tony's extraordinary contribution to the Opera House over the coming weeks and, of course, we all look forward to welcoming him back to the opera and ballet house he loves so much as a treasured member of our audience for years to come."
Antonio Pappano, Music Director of The Royal Opera added "Tony Hall has been a great friend and colleague and a formidable presence in the Royal Opera House. He has not only created a working atmosphere that is always positive and remarkably focused, but has been on the front line of fighting for the arts in this country. On his watch, the outreach of the Opera House has blossomed through cinema and television, reaching a whole new audience for opera and ballet.
"I'm very sad to be losing Tony to the BBC, but it is obviously a fantastic opportunity for him. We will miss him very much, but wish him only the best of luck."
Kasper Holten, Director of Opera said "Congratulations to the BBC. They are very lucky. Tony is the most inspirational leader I have ever worked for. He will be sorely missed at the ROH and by me personally, but I am excited for him about this, and I am sure he will do a fantastic job.
"Tony's importance for Royal Opera House cannot be overestimated and he has managed to create an incredible platform for us to do our artistic work and take opera forward."
Kevin O'Hare, Director of The Royal Ballet said "Tony's genuine love for ballet and dance has been a huge advantage for The Royal Ballet. He's done so much, not only for this Company, but for dance in general through the Dance Review and support for the sector. I feel privileged to have worked with him, both in my previous roles and now as Director of The Royal Ballet. He's been an inspiration and a great support to me over the years, and has been fundamental to our programme of new initiatives to bring ballet to a wider audience. He's also been a great friend to me and to many people in the building. We will all miss him."


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Another ugly Sunday for the Kansas City Chiefs came with a significant silver lining: They will pick first in the 2013 NFL Draft.
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The Chiefs finished the season 2-14, marking the second time in five years they have put up that ghastly record. The Jacksonville Jaguars had the same mark but possess a better strength of schedule, giving the Chiefs the top pick.
When the Chiefs went 2-14 in 2008, they selected defensive end Tyson Jackson with the No. 3 overall pick. Jackson has five sacks in four seasons.
Kansas City hopes for better success this time around, but who will be the decision-makers? Both coach Romeo Crennel and general manager Scott Pioli could be history by Monday. If Pioli goes, his replacement will be tasked with a massive decision out of the gate.
The Chiefs have multiple holes to fill on both sides of the ball, but their most glaring issue is quarterback. Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn are not the answer and probably won't be back. The quarterback issue stands above all else.
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Naomi is trying to get a good picture of her actual spending and is using a very good process to get there. She's run into a bit of a snag, though.
I have reached a month of collecting receipts and preparing to organise it all in an Excel spreadsheet. Categorising by what type of expense will not be the difficult part for me, however deciding weather it was a 'necessary' spend is. I'm finding too many grey areas. For example; it was necessary to eat lunch but instead of having an at home sandwhich, i grabbed one on the go. Or, i needed some new clothes for work and brought a nicer dress than was necessary. Maybe I am overthinking such a simple exercise a little too much, but I would appreciate any direction you could provide.
This is a classic problem that people run into when they're first getting a grip on their finances. What exactly constitutes a necessary expense? If you don't buy the low-end garbage bags and instead buy the ones that Consumer Reports calls a "best buy," is the difference in cost a necessary expense? If you're caught in traffic and can't stop at home for dinner before an evening meeting, so you stop at a fast food restaurant, is that a necessary expense?
I can certainly give you my opinion on a lot of such buying situations, but the truth of the matter is that it's my opinion. I'd call the garbage bags a necessary expense. I'd call the fast food an unnecessary expense, a cost that results from poor planning. And on and on and on…
Here's the truth. Every single one of us is going to spend money on something that we view as necessary and that others view as unnecessary. Almost all of us are going to spend at least some money on things that we view as unnecessary upon later reflection.
What matters isn't that we eliminate all unnecessary spending from our budget. That's impossible. It's the equivalent of eating nothing but lettuce for a diet – eventually, you'll either wither or fail.
What matters is that we get a grip on our unnecessary spending, however we define it.
I usually encourage people to be pretty tight with their definition of what a necessary expense is, because the real value in budgeting is to figure out where all of your unnecessary expenses are going. What areas are you dumping money into that, with some forethought and changes in routines, you could improve?
Here's an example of what I mean. Let's say you've decided to count lunches eaten out as an unnecessary expense. You make a category in your accounting of your spending called "lunches eaten out." At the end of a month's worth of receipts, you look at that total. $250? What?
You can reclaim that $250 (or at least most of it) by simply changing one behavior. Stock your desk with the materials for some lunches on the fly, for one, and then get in the routine of brown-bagging it. If things don't work out with the brown bagging for a day, you have some food in your desk as a backup. Boom! Suddenly, you're not dumping that money into eating out all the time.
That's how budgeting is supposed to work. You group all of your expenses into categories and look for ways to sharply cut some of the areas of unnecessary spending (like the lunches) while also looking for ways to reduce the costs in necessary areas (energy efficiency, for example). It is much easier to identify ways to cut your spending if you're looking at the exact dollar amounts you're spending in a specific area and are focused on that specific area.
In other words, don't focus so much on what's necessary and what's unnecessary, at least not at first. Just try to group things into piles that make sense to you. Budgeting books often offer suggestions of categories, but don't be afraid to go beyond them and have categories like "lunches eaten out" or "comic books" or "makeup" or "video games."
Then, when you've got those specific categories and how much you spent in each of them each month, focus on those categories one at a time and ask yourself, "How much of this is necessary? How much can I trim from this?" Different people will come up with different answers here, but the more you cut without significantly altering your standard of living, the easier it will be to find financial freedom.
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Nonlinear Dynamics in Complex Systems [electronic resource] : Theory and Applications for the Life-, Neuro- and Natural Sciences / by Armin Fuchs.
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With many areas of science reaching across their boundaries and becoming more and more interdisciplinary, students and researchers in these fields are confronted with techniques and tools not covered by their particular education. Especially in the life- and neurosciences quantitative models based on nonlinear dynamics and complex systems are becoming as frequently implemented as traditional statistical analysis. Unfamiliarity with the terminology and rigorous mathematics may discourage many scientists to adopt these methods for their own work, even though such reluctance in most cases is not justified.This book bridges this gap by introducing the procedures and methods used for analyzing nonlinear dynamical systems. In Part I, the concepts of fixed points, phase space, stability and transitions, among others, are discussed in great detail and implemented on the basis of example elementary systems. Part II is devoted to specific, non-trivial applications: coordination of human limb movement (Haken-Kelso-Bunz model), self-organization and pattern formation in complex systems (Synergetics), and models of dynamical properties of neurons (Hodgkin-Huxley, Fitzhugh-Nagumo and Hindmarsh-Rose). Part III may serve as a refresher and companion of some mathematical basics that have been forgotten or were not covered in basic math courses. Finally, the appendix contains an explicit derivation and basic numerical methods together with some programming examples as well as solutions to the exercises provided at the end of certain chapters. Throughout this book all derivations are as detailed and explicit as possible, and everybody with some knowledge of calculus should be able to extract meaningful guidance follow and apply the methods of nonlinear dynamics to their own work."This book is a masterful treatment, one might even say a gift, to the interdisciplinary scientist of the future.""With the authoritative voice of a genuine practitioner, Fuchs is a master teacher of how to handle complex dynamical systems.""What I find beautiful in this book is its clarity, the clear definition of terms, every step explained simply and systematically."(J.A.Scott Kelso, excerpts from the foreword)
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Public 'all over the map' on NSA
President Barack Obama isn't the only one struggling to balance national security and civil liberties with the country's post-Sept. 11 surveillance programs.
The public can't make up its mind either.
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Most Americans may be fine handing over their personal data when they shop at a CVS or before using the latest and greatest smartphone app. But they're still not sure what to make of secret government operations gobbling up their raw telephone records and emails sent to foreigners abroad - and that mixed message makes it all the more difficult for politicians to coalesce around policy.
( Also on POLITICO: Holder: Obama plans 'smart' NSA changes)
On the one hand, recent public opinion polls show a willingness among the public to accept trade offs in privacy if it means stopping the bad guys. On the other, most would rather it be someone else who gets swept up in the dragnet.
"People are all over the map," said former Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.), a longtime critic of the National Security Agency's clandestine work.
Obama's speech Friday at the Justice Department isn't just written for the general public. He's also addressing angry lawmakers in both parties and new technology powerhouses — and close political allies — like Google and Apple who are worried about their bottom line as foreign competitors push marketing campaigns playing up the fact they don't have ties to a snoopy Uncle Sam.
Still, public ambivalence — and confusion over what exactly the government is doing — also affords the White House some wiggle room as it navigates a tricky path seeking reforms at the NSA while also preserving privacy and not surrendering the critical tools that U.S. officials say are needed to prevent the next terrorist attack.
( Also on POLITICO: Geoffrey Stone: NSA metadata program captures small fraction of calls)
Richard Clarke, a member of the blue-ribbon panel that Obama chartered for ideas to change country's surveillance operations, said in a brief interview that the group didn't consider recent surveys asking Americans what they think of the surveillance.
"We haven't looked at polling," the former White House counterterrorism adviser said.
But Geoffrey Stone, a University of Chicago law professor also serving on the panel, said Obama's directive centered around improving confidence in the surveillance program. "When the president first met with us, what he said first and foremost is, 'What we need to do is to figure out how to restore public trust,'" Stone said.
White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters this week that Obama's address and policy plans — he's expected to call on Congress to help make many of the changes— are designed to "give members of the public more confidence in the programs and the fact that they are pursued in a way that meets the standard the president set, which is that we do what we should do in order to keep the American people safe and the country safe and our allies safe, not just what we can do because we have the capacity to do it."
( Opinion: NSA scandal bad for business)
That the National Security Agency's surveillance programs — collecting billions of phone records made to, from and within the U.S., as well as tracking communications among foreign allies — were secret until Edward Snowden's leaks has fueled some of the public's angst. Any politician or public relations flack knows how hard it is to get in front of a story told in drip, drip, drip fashion.
"For 10 years, there's been so much mystery about it," Senate Judiciary Committee ranking member Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) told POLITICO. Grassley blamed Congress, including himself, for not doing enough oversight to bring the surveillance and privacy issues to light earlier.
"If there had been more information out there, there would have been less suspicion and not all these questions being raised," he said.
( Also on POLITICO: Surveillance critics, defenders square off on Hill)
Lawmakers and pollsters also say concerns about civil liberties have grown exponentially as memories fade from 9/11, even as support for the government surveillance has picked up among some of the same Democrats who opposed the NSA programs when George W. Bush was in the Oval Office.
"We're a nation that values our privacy. We're losing sight that we're at war I think the further away from 9/11," said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). "People are beginning to be more comfortable that the enemy is somehow at bay."


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Reading 2: The Battle of Oriskany
When the Revolutionary War broke out, the New York Rebels recognized the importance of the Oneida Carry and the fertile Mohawk River Valley. They rebuilt the ruined Fort Stanwix at the urging of General Philip Schuyler of Albany. Colonel Peter Gansevoort took command of the fort in the spring of 1777 and garrisoned it with about 700 New York and Massachusetts infantry soldiers.
In July 1777, General Barry St. Leger left Canada and arrived at Oswego, New York. St. Leger was ordered to move east and join Burgoyne. He left Oswego on July 26 in command of a force of 700 to 800 British regulars, Canadians, Mohawk Valley Tories (commanded by Sir John Johnson and Colonel John Butler), and Hanau (German) mercenaries. These soldiers were joined by approximately 800 American Indian Tories, mostly from the Mohawk and Seneca tribes, under the command of Joseph Brant. Fort Stanwix, which had been renamed Fort Schuyler by the Rebels, blocked St. Leger's path. St. Leger's advance troops arrived at the fort on August 2nd and decided it was too strong and well-garrisoned to attack. After Gansevoort rejected his demand to surrender on August 3, St. Leger prepared for a siege.
General Nicholas Herkimer, hearing about St. Leger's invasion and the siege of Fort Schuyler, assembled approximately 800 Rebel militia troops from Tryon County and some Oneida scouts. He set out on August 4th from Fort Dayton (30 miles east of Fort Schuyler) to reinforce Gansevoort and relieve the siege.
Molly Brant, the common law Mohawk wife of Sir William Johnson and sister of Joseph Brant, sent word to St. Leger on August 5th that the relief force was only 10 to 12 miles away from Fort Schuyler. St. Leger dispatched a detachment of Mohawk Valley Tories and Indian allies under the command of Joseph Brant, John Butler's Tory Rangers, and part of Sir John Johnson's Royal Greens to ambush the Rebel militia before it could reach Fort Schuyler.
The Tories chose an ambush point 6 miles east of Fort Schuyler, not far from the Oneida village of Oriska. Dense virgin forest provided excellent concealment for forces around a ravine where an old military road descended to cross marshy little Oriska Creek. Butler's Rangers and Johnson's Greens were deployed to hit the head of the column while the Indians attacked the flanks and rear. The idea was to surround the column in a U-shaped pocket and close the open end of the trap.
On the morning of August 6, 1777, General Nicholas Herkimer was supposed to join the attack against the British siege camp upon hearing three cannon shots from Gansevoort. Pushed by his junior officers to move his troops immediately and accused of being a Tory for delaying, Herkimer decided to march his troops to the fort without waiting for the signal.
Oneida scouts out front and to the sides of the Rebel militia detected no enemy so General Herkimer led the vanguard of 600 men into the ravine. Fifteen supply wagons followed, and then the 200 soldiers of the rearguard. At approximately 10:00 a.m., as Herkimer completed crossing the ravine, the Seneca Tories attacked. They were slightly premature, because the final 200 militia troops of the rearguard were not yet in the ravine. Nonetheless, the first volley, coming from all sides, was devastating to the Rebel militia. General Herkimer was shot through the right leg and his horse was killed. The militia defended themselves in a desperate, disorganized manner. Brant's men engaged in hand-to-hand combat, using knives, hatchets, clubs, and spears to attack the Rebels. The battlefield was littered with dead, dying, and wounded soldiers. The 200 Rebel troops not caught in the trap fled from the ravine, only to be followed and attacked by Joseph Brant and other Mohawks.
Seneca war chief Blacksnake described the battle years later:
We met the enemy at the place near a small creek. They had 3 cannons and we none. We had tomahawks and a few guns, but agreed to fight with tomahawks and scalping knives. During the fight, we waited for them to fire their guns and then we attacked them. It felt like no more than killing a Beast. We killed most of the men in the American's army. Only a few escaped from us. We fought so close against one another that we could kill or another with a musket bayonet.... It was here that I saw the most dead bodies than I have ever seen. The blood shed made a stream running down on the sloping ground.¹
Although bleeding from his wound, Herkimer organized his men into a rough circle so they could defend themselves in all directions. About 45 minutes into the battle, a violent thunder storm interrupted the fighting. During this reprieve, the Rebels fought their way up a hill to high ground where they could better defend themselves. General Herkimer was carried up the hill and sat on his saddle under a tree. He directed his troops to reorganize in a grove of trees by pairs, so that one man could defend the other while he was reloading his musket. After the storm, the fighting resumed.
Colonel Gansevoort sent out a sortie under the command of Colonel Marinus Willett between 2 and 4 p.m. to create a diversion to help Herkimer's force. After driving off the guards, Willett and his men raided the Indian and Tory camps, taking several wagonloads of booty and some prisoners back to the fort and destroying what they could not take.² Hearing of the raid, the Native-American Tories started to leave the battle and return to the siege camp. Without Indian support, the European-American Tories also withdrew from the battlefield. After six hours, at about 4 p.m., the battle was over. The Rebel militia troops then collected their wounded, abandoned the dead without burying them, and returned to Fort Dayton.
Only about 150 of the 800 Rebels who went into battle survived without serious injury. General Nicholas Herkimer died 11 days after the battle due to complications from having his leg amputated. Many Rebels were taken prisoner by the Tory American Indians. Tory losses were much lighter than those of the Rebels, the majority having occurred among the Indian allies, particularly the Senecas.
Major General Benedict Arnold had been sent from Saratoga to relieve Fort Schulyer even before news of Herkimer's battle. The column skirted Oriskany battlefield and as Arnold approached, St. Leger's Native American allies, discouraged by the failure of the siege, abandoned him. St. Leger lifted the siege early on August 22 and retreated to Canada. Both Tories and Rebels claimed victory at the Battle of Oriskany. Herkimer's attempt to relieve the siege at Fort Schuyler was unsuccessful, but St. Leger's expedition failed.
In the aftermath of the Battle of Oriskany, the Oneida Village of Oriska and its crops were destroyed, and many of its occupants killed. Molly Brant, who notified St. Leger about the approach of Herkimer's column, was forced to flee her home. It was looted and subsequently given to Oneida chief Hon Yerry, who had fought alongside his wife for the Rebel militia at Oriskany. These types of reprisals would be played out again and again, for the Battle of Oriskany was just the beginning of the civil war to be fought throughout New York until 1784.
Questions for Reading 2
1. Why do you believe the casualties at the Battle of Oriskany were so great?
2. Give examples of good and poor leadership displayed by General Herkimer and explain your choices.
3. Give examples of good and poor leadership displayed by Sir John Johnson and explain your choices.
4. Who do you believe won the battle? Why?
5. How could St. Leger have conducted his campaign differently and treated his Tory allies and the people of the Mohawk Valley differently that might have resulted in a British victory?
Reading 2 was adapted from Jack P. Greene and J. R. Pole, editors, The Blackwell Encyclopedia of the American Revolution (Cambridge, Mass.: Basil Blackwell, Inc., 1991); Don Higginbotham, The War of American Independence: Military Attitudes, Policies, and Practice, 1763-1789 (New York: Macmillan, 1971); Lois M. Huey and Bonnie Pulis, Molly Brant: A Legacy of Her Own (Youngstown, N.Y.: Old Fort Niagara Publications, 1997); John S. Pancake, 1777: The Year of the Hangman (Tuscaloosa, Al.: The University of Alabama Press, 1977); and George F. Scheer and Hugh F. Rankin, Rebels and Redcoats: The Living Story of the American Revolution (Cleveland: World Publishing Company, 1957).¹ Lyman Draper, Draper Manuscripts, Series U (Frontier War Papers, Vol. 11, Unpublished manuscript in the State Historical Society of Wisconsin, Madison) 196-7.
² John F. Luzader, Fort Stanwix: Construction and Military History, 1758 to 1777 (Washington, DC: Office of Park Historic Preservation, National Park Service, 1976) 44-45.


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In last nights game, Stoudemire was 3-5 on shots at the rim, 3-9 feet and 10-15 feet. He was 2-9 on shots 16-23 feet. I understand that part of this is having no point guard and seemingly no pick and roll game in sight right now. That is not Stoudemire's fault. What is Stoudemire's fault is his seemingly willingness to just shoot long jumpers. David Lee is a great guy. I love him and Knick fans loved him. He is a good player but he cannot stay with Stoudemire, as shown by Stoudemire's poster dunk on him last night. Once he realized his jumper was cold, and it was ice cold, Stoudemire should have reverted to his drive and post game. Instead, Stoudemire began firing 18 footer after 18 footer and could not deliver the offensive efficiency that the Knicks needed last night. Against the 6'9 Lee, Stoudemire should have attacked the post and the paint and dominated inside. That is what he is known for and that is what he needs to get back to. This 2-9 from mid-range cannot happen when you are one of the two consistent scoring threats on this team. The Knicks need 20-25 points a game from Stoudemire and he needs to use the most successful aspects of his game to get there.
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Poor equipment hampered efforts to rescue more than 60 people believed to be trapped under the rubble, Dar es Salaam commissioner Said Siddiq said by telephone. At least 17 people, three seriously injured, were pulled out of the debris Friday.
Officials said construction work on the building, located on one of the busiest streets in Tanzania's commercial center, was about to be completed and that the structure did not have tenants. Most of the people caught in the collapse of the 12-story building were laborers as well as those passing by or loitering nearby. Some witnesses said dozens of construction workers and food vendors were in the building when it collapsed Friday morning and that scores of children were playing soccer in a nearby playground. Others said more than 200 casual laborers and engineers worked on the building regularly.
Siddiq said three engineers who worked on the building had been taken into custody for questioning. In recent years building collapses have become frequent in East African countries as some property developers bypass regulations to cut costs.
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VBS season is in full swing & while all of you have been gearing up for VBS in your churches, all of us on the VBS team have been doing the same thing! It is so wonderful to get to experience VBS "from the trenches"… not as a job but as Kingdom work! I taught kindergartners this year… 31 of them, in fact! Out of those 31, only 7 were from my church. VBS really is an incredible outreach tool!
This year, my church tried something a little bit different. We added a second worship rally to our schedule that was specifically for preschoolers & kindergartners. The morning kicked off for 1st-6th graders with the traditional Worship Rally, but preschoolers started the morning in their respective rooms. Then at 9:40 (when all of the big kids had cleared out), we got to fly in for a worship rally designed just for us! We had a fabulous leader who basically modified the preschool music rotation teaching plans so that we could sing songs, play instruments, move around, and talk about the daily Bible stories in ways that just wouldn't fly if preteens were in the room. But it was perfect for preschoolers! We even had time for offerings and practicing the theme song each day.
The kids' favorite song from the week had to be one called "Always"… and it played a significant part in one of my all-time favorite VBS memories. The song lyrics are almost identical to preschool's Day 2 verse: "Be strong. Do not be afraid. God is with you" (Joshua 1:9). On Wednesday morning one of my kindergartners came in the door and walked straight to me. "Miss Melita," she said, "last night at bedtime I got kind of scared. But then I remembered that song. I sang it to myself probably 4-20 times. And you know what? It worked! God was with me, and I wasn't afraid anymore."
WOW! A 6-year-old child connected the truth of the Bible to a real life situation because she had "hidden it in her heart" through song. Wow! That's what it's all about!
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Gun Control Advocates Protest Gov. Chris Christie's Connecticut Visit
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GREENWICH—Marie Morosky, 7, knows what can happen when a gunman stops to reload his weapon.
The Newtown girl has some friends who were among the 11 children who ran to safety from Vicki Soto's classroom after Adam Lanza paused briefly to switch magazines on Dec. 14, 2012.
Lanza killed 20 first-graders and six educators at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, which led to major gun changes in Connecticut and set off a national discussion of the issue that is now affecting the gubernatorial race in Connecticut .
Marie attended a rally Monday of about 180 people who lined the road leading to the entrance of a private home in Greenwich where Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey wascampaigning for Republican gubernatorial candidate Tom Foley.
Holding up a sign with the pictures of the 20 slain children, Marie, her sister, Rachel, and her mother, Katherine Morosky of Newtown, were protesting Christie's veto of legislation that would have reduced the number of bullets allowed in magazines in that state from 15 to 10.
(Above right, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie turns to answer a question from the press as he and republican gubernatorial candidate Tom Foley stop at the Glory Days Diner in Greenwich; Melanie Stengel/New Haven Register.)
Katherine Morosky said Marie also knew five of the children who were killed.
"Her friend told her last year that when a bad man put his gun down, she ran behind him and then she ran to the firehouse," Katherine Morosky said.
"My understanding is that was from when he reloaded his gun," she said.
Katherine Morosky said she called Christie's office on multiple occasions relaying Marie's story, to encourage him to sign the bill.
"It sounded like it was something that could prevent further deaths," Morosky said of lowering the magazine's capacity.
After he rejected the legislation, Morosky was incensed further when Christie described the proposed change in New Jersey, which would match the rule in Connecticut, as "trivial."
"For him to describe our laws as trivial is really offensive and now for Tom Foley to align himself with such a figure who opposes the laws we have in Connecticut is bad judgment," she said, a sentiment repeated up and down the long line of orderly protesters waiting on Shore Road for Christie and Foley to pass by.
Above the pictures of the 20 children killed in Newtown, Marie's sign read: "My friends lives were not trivial."
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Yesterday, I had a really terrible hot chocolate. I mean awful.
It was surprising because it was at a cafe where the food is quite good. It was on the menu, for $3.50, advertised as "hot chocolate with whipped cream". Yum.
But when it was delivered, there were some things wrong.
First, there was no whipped cream.
Second, it was made with a mix. Already bad enough, but to add insult to injury, it was improperly mixed, and still lumpy.
Third, it was made with water, not milk. Gross!
So, I sent it back. They were apologetic and offered to re-make it...but I declined. And I got to thinking: what makes a really good hot chocolate? Is it the chocolate itself? The milk? The temperature? The texture? Well, kind of all of the above. For me, it's a rich drinking chocolate like I had at Cafe Angelina in Paris.
What about you? What is your ideal hot chocolate?
Feel free to chime in, and you'll be entered to win a copy of this AWESOME book by Lara Ferroni entitled Real Snacks: Make Your Favorite Childhood Treats Without All the Junk. I'm a huge fan of Lara's work, and also love her previous recipe book, Doughnuts: Simple and Delicious Recipes to Make at Home.
This time, she's back with homemade versions of popular snack treats. Sweet and savory. Some examples:
I do believe I spied a unicorn on those pages!
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Leave a comment telling me about what makes the ideal hot chocolate, in your opinion (is it from a place? Made with heavy cream, at home? Or perhaps it's just Swiss Miss? I'm curious!). And on October 15 at 5pm EST, I will choose one lucky winner (at random) to get a copy of this great new book by Lara Ferroni. Due to the price of shipping overseas, I can only open this one to US residents.
The winner, chosen at random, was Melissa C, who said "The best hot chocolate can be found on the streets of Spain. It is served warm and has almost a pudding like consistency. It is served to accompany a very special treat: The fresh, hot and dazzling cinnamon ladden churro....."
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The syntax form inclub is a convenience substitute for include for use in multi-file projects. When the program may be run either interpreted or compiled, and may be executed from outside its directory, possibly through a symlink, inclub handles the details of making sure the "inclubbed" files get loaded as intended.
In compiled code, inclub simply expands to include, meaning the inclubbed file will be compiled into the binary.
In interpreted code, inclub resolves any symlinks back to the directory the program resides in, and calls load on the inclubbed file in that directory.
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The source can be obtained or browsed on github.
API[syntax] (inclub STRING)
Basic Usage
To use inclub to load a file called "myfile.scm":
(use inclub) (inclub "myfile")
If myfile.scm contains a module called myfile, add this:
(import myfile)
If the project has multiple modules that need to import a module provided by an inclubbed file, the file should be inclubbed only in the main file; the other files can then import the module.
Thanks to Zbigniew for working out the basic mechanism, and also for proposing the name "inclub" — inclub: the brute force include.
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brett737 Posts: 1NGliebe,
I have a 2000 Disco II with the 7 seat pkg and rear A/C. My kids love it!! My 2 girls, 5 & 10, like sitting up high in the rear seats, but they actually prefer the jumpseats in the rear, where they have their own radio/cd controls and headset plug in. We put them back there on long trips and we don't here from them again till we get there. Plus, they love their own sunroof. The rear A/C keeps them cool during humid Virginia summers.
The only downside is no cargo room with the jumpseats down. A good solution is Yakima racks with a box on the roof for extra capacity.0
kkone Posts: 61There are 9 used Discover II in the San Francisco Chronicel Newpaper this weekend. The most I have seen ever. I wonder why everybody is selling their 1999 and 2000 Discos so soon. One can only guess they are not happy or the truck was not what they expected. Maintenace problems????
Sagging in the aft corner - I think Nanuq posted that comment. I think I know what he means - by tape measurement on level ground, the wheel well on my passenger-rear side sat a whole 1.5" lower than the driver's side rear. At around 50,000 miles I changed out springs and shocks, and this helped somewhat, but the back corner still sits a tad lower. Maybe due to a 'feature' of the woodheads or something with the spring? Not sure...
If discos that you look at sit really low in that corner, it may be time for new springs and shocks.
As for post 209 - I really like that - OPEN. Just remember, extra emphasis on the diNero!
Thanks - wasko0
awseymour Posts: 18In answer to 207..
I haul my 2 grandsons about in my 2000 Discovery and besides it being a slight challenge to get the car seat for the younger one through the door, they both enjoy it in the back seat. The older 4 year old, who no longer requires a car seat, like napping using the arm rest as a pillow.
I also feel they are very safe back there.
curraghlad Posts: 1My lease (my very expensive lease) on my Ford Explorer is almost up (thank goodness). As trade in time looms near, I am faced with what to replace it with. I just can't drive a Mom-mobile. I have 2 kids and a huge dog (235 lbs) that goes everywhere with me so I have to have a reasonable amount of room, but the sport utility vehicles out there just don't ring my bell. The Discovery I like....and I am considering buying a 97 or 98 model so that I don't suffer the poor resale value of it if I decide to hate it in two years. But if the thing breaks down every 20 miles it is going to do me no good. Quirks I don't mind as long as I can still drive and the problem can wait till the weekend when my husband can look at it. My other options are a used volvo or mercedes wagon (98 or 99) or a 98 or 99 Mercedes M thing....which looks just too much like a minivan for me to love without effort. I am only 30 years old, and I want something that will accomodated rolled down windows and the B-52s on the cd changer without making me look too silly. Anyone, anyone?0
saenzski Posts: 50What kind of a dog do you haul around?
just curious,
I am a dog lover..0
My guess is it's either a fatso pooch or a pooch one would call "sir" in a dark alley.
If it's a fatso pooch then he might have trouble getting up inside the back of a Disco... it's a bit of a jump up.
If he's a "Sir" Dawg then assuming he lets you drive and HE rides in back, he shouldn't have much trouble. You might consider the optional loadspace separator bars that will keep him back there in case of accident... that's a lot of mass to fly forward, injuring you AND him.
My brother-in-law's got a Mastiff that weighs 220# and I thought HE was big! Holy Buckets!
rj17 Posts: 7VS4.. In response to your question about the 2002 Disco's, I read this in the Edmunds future look page...
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2002 Free lander (SUV)
Land Rover joins the mini-SUV ranks with the Free lander. With a V6 engine and five-speed automatic transmission, the Free lander is expected to compete against Ford's new Escape in size, but not price.
2002 Range Rover (SUV)
An all-new Range Rover will debut with more aerodynamic styling incorporating heritage design cues. Longer, taller and wider than the current model, the next Rover will be based on the BMW X5 platform, meaning a fully independent, air-sprung suspension instead of the old solid axles. Power will come from any of three BMW gas engines (3.5- or 4.4-liter V8 and 5.4-liter V12) or a 4.0-liter turbodiesel.
2003 Discovery (SUV)
A redesign is on the books for Discovery in '03, including a long-wheelbase version about midway through the model run.
Now does this mean that the Disco 02 will have any changes; I not sure, but if they are re designing for 03, I would not hold my breath for the 02's. I'm also looking to purchase,but you can call me "Gun Shy" for a lack of a better word.
It's the engine... "Ford".0
willpickett Posts: 1Will the Defender be back in the US any time soon? Why did AR discontinue selling it after '97? Can you purchase them elsewhere and import them into the U.S.?0
You read my mind! I'm on the lookout for a Defender and will probably spring for a used one in the next 3-6 months. Here's the scoop:
1. LR stopped importing them in 1997 due to poor emissions and lack of airbags.
2. LR stated at the North American International Auto Show in a Press Conference that the Defender wouldn't be redesigned until 2004. That means that we probably won't see North American models until 2005-2006. They're entertaining entry back into NA market, but nothing concrete yet.
3. Importing them is tricky at best. I've researched this extensively and the bottom line is that if you do get it through customs, you may be ok. But chances are 80-90+% that you won't make it through, and they will destroy the vehicle. That said, there are probably a dozen or so blackmarket vehicles in the US today - 1998-2000 Defender TDI's. While it would be so very cool to have one, where would you get it serviced?
4. You CAN import any vehicle 25 years or older, so 1976 Series III's can now be imported into the US. These are just about as much fun as a Defender, 1/2 to 1/3 the cost, but very spartan and utilitarian. If you're interested, I'll post a couple of the importers that I've seen active over the past couple of years.
Did that answer everything? Let me know if there is anything else. I'm moving to Washington (state) in March and will be keeping the DI (for now at least - a DII is in the future someday) and will be picking up a Defender 90 in the March-May timeframe. I dream about the Defender like a kid dreams about Christmas day
Occasionally I have a nightmare when I realize that I'll own 2 out of warranty Rover products. After the cold sweat and standing hair subsides, the happy feeling returns .
Call me a Rover Nut,
oceandweller Posts: 58About the sagging aft corner...Ever since nanuq put it to my attention I've been noticing it on every parked Disco I ! I can honestly say I haven't made an effort to look at the D II(I'm not really a fan). Now, maybe it was a blonde moment I was having; but I noticed the sagging only occurs on the side of the spare tire and only in the rear....I thought the weight of the spare was the cause...gee, i'm feeling air headed! BUT, I just replaced the original shocks with Bilsteins and the springs are in great shape...someone please make me a brunette again!!!.....and what's with the 235lb dog!!!WOW.0
It's simplest to say the stock springs are apparently made of tinfoil, and will sag after only a short while. And, more weirdness: all four corners of the DI call for different spring rates. Is it because of 235# dogs? Or is it just the fun-loving Brits?
Many people quickly realize you don't want to replace tinfoil springs more than once, so if they're unlucky enough to replace them on their own nickel they go with Old Man Emu springs or other alternates.
Take a look at the Discoweb, there's a tech section that's loaded with good info.
Regards, -Bob0
mrwhipple Posts: 378That would explain it. Nice stuff.0
Well, I'm a newbie RR owner, having just purchased a '98 4.6 with 31K miles. It appears to be in mint condition, with service history at a LR dealer, a very conscientious first owner, & almost no repairs needed in 2 1/2 years. I have 2 basic questions:
Are the '98 RR's more reliable than previous years? (In one post on another site I saw the '95-'96 RR's referred to as "test beds").
And, is it worth it to purchase a LR extended warranty at $1350 per year? Even though this is my first LR, I've been lurking & posting on this board & others for some time so I know how expensive LR's are to repair (which is probably answering my own question). However, I do tend to put very low miles on my vehicles (as low as 5,000 miles/year).....also I'm wondering if I bought say 2 more years of warranty; if things wouldn't just start to go right after that? Of course, there's also peace of mind to consider......
Also want to say that I got a lot of good advice on this board last year, from wasko & others, when I was shopping for a Disco. I just went a little crazy tho & went for this RR. Only thing bugging me is the 10mpg in mixed town & highway driving.... Worse than I expected!
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks, Steve0
Hanging out with my service guys at LR (which I get to do quite often , we got on the subject of Range Rover repairs one day.
They were mentioning that if you dent a rim that it costs $600 to replace the rim.
One oxygen sensor for your exhaust is $200, one catalytic converter is around $1800, the complete exhaust assembly (minus catalytic) would be somewhere between $500-700. So, replace the entire exhaust system (plus labor) and you're looking at around $2700-2800.
Not sure what air suspension costs to get fixed, but I would think that it isn't cheap.
I personally would pay the $2700 for the extended warranty. If you never use it, consider yourself fortunate! If you need to use it, you'll be glad you have it - kinda like homeowners insurance.
I was on another mailing list for Disco's and a lot of the guys there were buying 3rd party warranties for their Discos - goto www.msn.com and search for: auto warranty --- you'll get quite a few hits. In some cases, these can be half of the dealer's warranty, and some have a deductible (like the first $50-200 of a repair), which may make great sense.
I put in a 98 Range Rover, 32,000 miles, with manufacturer's warranty still left on the vehicle and I received the following from http://www.auto-extended-car-warranty.com/:
5 Years 75000 miles $2195
So, if you're not opposed to paying a deductible and waiting 30-60 days for reimbursement, an aftermarket warranty may be a good option.
Thanks - wasko0
db4thrill Posts: 1I am considering a few SUV's needed to tow a 4500lb boat (dual axle, approx 500lb tongue weight). The SUV will also be used as a recreational off road vehicle, not just a grocery getter as they commonly are these days. I want a 4x4 with a V8 but don't want a Ford or other uneccessarily large vehicle. This leaves only a few options - Jeep Grand Cherokee, Dodge Durango or Dakota Quad Cab. Is the Disco II a capable, comfortable, & safe vehicle to consider with the aforementioned towing needs? Any feedback/input would be greatly appreciated. Thank, Dan0
The MB ML430 can tow up to 5000 lbs and is suitable for light to medium off-road duties. You may want to consider it as well. The M-class topic is the place for you to ask any questions for that particular vehicle.
As for safety, the IIHS's website is a good place to start:
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wasko: Thanks for the advice on buying an extended warranty. Pretty much what I had been thinking myself, but I wanted to hear it from a more experienced LR owner before plunking down the $$$$. I will check out your suggestions for aftermarket warranties, but I'm thinking the LR warranty might make everything simpler & easier in event of a claim.
The RR is growing on me (not that I didn't really like it at first). Very nimble handling for an SUV; as around off ramps & such. Stereo is not bad but not great & I may start looking into upgrading either the speakers, or the head unit, not sure which is the weak link yet altho I imagine upgrading the head unit would not allow use of the steering wheel controls. Any advice from anyone re: upgrading the stereo?
Thanks again, woodyww0
diinut Posts: 1I've been seriously considering buying a new 2001 II. I'm glad I came across this posting. I'm researching the vehicle and now fully understand what I might be getting myself into. It seems that most have problems, which my desire to have this vehicle will overcome (love/hate, how great!). So, the most important question seems to be, which dealer? I live in Northern Virginia so my choices will be, from closest to furthest, AR of Alexandrian, HBL of Tysons, AR of Rockville, or AR of Richmond. Any input about any of these dealerships would be greatly appreciated. I will be waiting (12-18 months) to see what impact Ford's ownership of AR will have on the Disco line. If anyone hears of the future changes being made, please let me know. I will definitely purchase before, if and when, Ford makes it a "Discoplorer" but would like to wait for possible quality upgrades on the current model line. Thanks to all.0
neo5 Posts: 12IGRAY, is it LEGAL for wolverines to mary a buckeye?? My wife (class of '89) and I ('88) are Maize and Blue through and through.
Search for the SD7 (we have two children 2 and 5 y/o, and one on the way -- PLUS, we are car-pooling with two snotty kids next door. That is one infant-seat + todler seat + 5 y/o in the backseat AND two Prozac kids in the third row -- NO, they do NOT get A/C nor their own stereo!!) took us now to the dealership in Grand Rapids.
Apparently the SD7 we were working on at Farmington dealership has gone AWOL! We have only dealt with G.R. dealers through telephone, but the pricing once again has been VERY reasonable.
My advice to you is to get in on that X-plan buisiness (you MUST know somebody who works for the Ford). We asked my wife's friend's husband to get us into the plan and it was certainly worth our while!!
I plan to pick up the SD7 within next two weeks or so, and with the X-plan, we are looking at no $ down and 530$/mo @ 12000mi/yr.
And you guys thought that FoMoCo was only famous for those exploding tires!!
I will let you know how things went (and if the trip to Grand Rapids was worth it).
(Almost about to go) Happy Rovering!!0
hoos1 Posts: 13We used to live in Charlottesville and purchased our '99 Disco II SE from the Richmond dealer. They wouldn't deal at all on price so from that respect you might do better in the NoVa area. However, their service was great. They would drive to C-ville to pick our car up for oil changes, etc and leave us a loaner car. We definitely have a love-hate relationship with this SUV. We love the styling, driver position but the ride is harsh and loud and gas mileage is terrible. we've recently looked at other SUV's -Toyota LC, Lexus LX, BMW X5- while they all are great - smooth, great handling, quiet, etc - none have the "personality" and exterior styling of our Disco. So, we won't be doing anything soon and anxious to see what the Ford buyout brings.0
gpvs Posts: 214I bought my '97 Disco at LR at Rockville and have had service experiences at LR of Alexandria and HBL of Tysons. I would buy from the Rockville and Alexandria dealers before I would even set foot on HBL. IMO, LR of Alexandria and Rockville are both great "LR Centres". When I purchased mine before, there were no pressure whatsoever from the sales person.0
megasuvowner Posts: 64I recently purchased my "previously enjoyed" LR at LR of Rockville in Rockville, MD. I loved the defenders and was sad that they stopped making them back in 97. I got my LR defender 90 in AA yellow for just over $35k. it has 30k miles on it and i feel that i got a bargin. I hope LR makes the defender again soon so i can have one for my next car. I chose LR of rockville because it is close by and i realized the farther from Washington DC the better the price. i had a bad experience at HBL of tysons and they wanted over $47k for the same car with more miles on it. The people at LR of rockville are nice and friendly.GOOD LUCK!!!!
Yesterday I drove my new (to me) '98 RR 4.6 in the snow for the first time.....& have a few newbie-type questions if anyone would care to respond.
Unfortunately, & this may sound like heresy to other LR owners, my RR was extremely mediocre in about 3 inches of new very wet snow yesterday. It was sliding a lot (fish-tailing) around corners taken at very moderate speeds, & not stopping that well. It didn't handle nearly as well as some front wheel drive cars I've driven in snow (with all weather tires). Not what I expected, to say the least.
So, I then put it into low range, & it did handle a lot better in the snow, altho the transmission seemed to shift a lot less smoothly. Is putting a LR into low range in snow considered to be SOP? And how long & at what speeds is it OK to drive in low range (The manual doesn't give much advice on that).
I should mention the tires: they are the 18" Michelin "4X4" models (with plenty of tread left) that I believe were original equipment. Just looking at them it seems obvious that they are more for highway cruising than extreme conditions, but I would think with 4WD, & traction control they could handle a few inches of snow.
I did call the Tire Rack & we talked about getting 16" snow tires & wheels, but I hadn't thought that would be necessary with a RR.......I do know however that BMW X5's for instance are not that great in the snow with the larger size (18" or 19") tires on certain models. I guess I expected a Disco or RR to be practically invincible in snow, regardless, or at least as good as my old Saab 9000 was.
Any advice would be appreciated (& thanks for putting up with what may sound like some pretty dumb questions to experienced Rover owners)!
No worries Woody, we've all been there and done that at some point.
It is GOOD ADVICE to go 16" if you're buying true snow tires. I just last week put Nokian Hakkapeliittas on my '96 Disco and while I was waiting the counter guy told me of a lady with 18" wheels who holed a sidewall, it took TEN DAYS to get a replacement tire for her, and the tire (singular) was over $400. Of course we're at the end of the earth here but still...
I can't say enough about the Nokians. If you're buying pure winter tires that will be swapped out with the seasons, get the studs. Look at www.discoweb.org and they'll give recommendations for sizing. I prefer tall and narrow: more ground clearance for the DEEP snow and narrow tires cut thru the slop easier. I put on 245/75-16s and I've got more than 12" under my differentials now. Can you say "unstoppable"? I would actually be happier with the narrower tire. I believe that one's a 235/85-16. Discoweb tells the details.
Although it IS a Rover, it is not "magic". It weighs close to 5,000# and it has a lot of power to break your traction. Your wide highway-biased tires didn't help either... they're very "floaty".
Low range helped because it slowed you down... the floatiness of your tires was reduced at lower speed. As far as I know there is no limit to distance or time you can drive in 4L, but watch the tach. At 35mph my Disco is revving plenty high in low range... keep it below about 5k RPMS as an absolute maximum. It has rev limiters but still... why abuse it? The shifting will be very "notchy" in 4L. It is in serious offroad mode at that time, you've more than doubled the torque, and it does NOT want to slip any clutches inside the trans. Be gentle with the throttle. I have a locking center diff... I believe you have a viscous coupler. Both should be equally good in the deeps.
I drive mine in 4H all the time (unless I'm looking to get seriously stuck for fun). It gives me a little more speed as necessary to really blast thru berms and over piles. I've been in snow deep enough it scraped dirt off my doors half-way up to the windows, and packed snow around the headlights. The Nokians are amazing. Yes I got stuck... that's why God made square nose coal shovels. Keep one in back. If you bury it too bad be careful not to bash your cat converters as you dig out. You'll also curse the mudflaps... mine are long gone. Uncover the exhaust so it can breathe as it idles as you dig. You'll have a TON of snow up under the front axle, clear that first to get the wheels down to where they'll bite traction. You might also carry a snatch strap for just in case... and read up on fixing points for tow recovery, you don't want to wrap around the axles.
Good luck, ENJOY the truck! Regards, -Bob0
Kemmons- I purchased my 2000 Disco II from Fred Lavry Co in Birmingham, MI. The sales manager there was excellent (Burt Poole). With the purchase, I was very happy. However, when I went in for a scheduled oil change (I had an appointment), I waited for 1 hr 45 minutes. I didn't go back there for another oil change.
LR Farmington Hills service department was excellent, I couldn't have been happier....
Problem: When I start my 2000 Disco II (I have about 25k miles), it turns over and over, and sounds like it is "half started". It often takes me 5-6 tries to actually get it to fully start. Once it starts, if the RPM gets low, it will stall. It seems like once I am on the road for 20-30 minutes, I can turn it off and re-start with no problems. I THINK it occurs more in cold weather, but as time goes by, the problem is happening more and more.
With this, the check engine light comes on, as well as the traction control and hill descent lights. Also, the red lights flash on the shifter.
I've had my car in 4 times now and the first three times they were unable to replicate the problem. This time they have seen it happen, but they do not know the cause.
I found a similar posting here on townhall (posting 136). Posting 137 responded to this problem, but it doesn't mention the stalling problem.
Has anyone seen or heard of a similar situation?
And wasco, what's going on? You completely rock this site! Thanks for all your postings!
You might ask this question over at:
There are lots of very knowledgeable folk over there.
Good luck, -Bob0
shedrivesdirty Posts: 1I'm interested in '99 Disco's. Just recently turned on to them. Previously looking at Land Cruisers. How do they compare? What's reliablity and cost of maintenance and service on the Disco? I will be taking this vehicle off-road, open to any advice.0


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The city council in a small north Georgia town voted Monday night to make gun ownership mandatory - sort of.
Council members in Nelson, a city of about 1,300 residents that's located 50 miles north of Atlanta, voted unanimously to approve the Family Protection Ordinance. The measure requires every head of household to own a gun and ammunition to "provide for the emergency management of the city" and to "provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants."
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Not that every household must go out and purchase a firearm.
The ordinance exempts convicted felons and those who suffer from certain physical or mental disabilities, as well as anyone who objects to gun ownership. The ordinance also doesn't include any penalty for those who don't comply.
But backers said they wanted to make a statement about gun rights at a time when President Barack Obama and some states are pushing for more restrictions in the wake of the Connecticut elementary school massacre in December that left 20 children and six educators dead.
Councilman Duane Cronic, who sponsored the measure, said he knows the ordinance won't be enforced but he still believes it will make the town safer.
"I likened it to a security sign that people put up in their front yards. Some people have security systems, some people don't, but they put those signs up," he said. "I really felt like this ordinance was a security sign for our city. Basically it was a deterrent ordinance to tell potential criminals they might want to go on down the road a little bit."
The city council's agenda says another purpose of the measure is "opposition of any future attempt by the federal government to confiscate personal firearms."
Nelson resident Lamar Kellett was one of five people who spoke during a public comment period and one of two who opposed the ordinance. Among his many objections, he said it dilutes the city's laws to pass measures that aren't intended to be enforced.
"Does this mean now 55 miles an hour speed limit means 65, 80, whatever you choose? There's not a whole lot of difference. A law's a law," he said.
Kellett also said the ordinance will have no effect, that it won't encourage people like him who don't want a gun to go out and buy one.
The proposal illustrates how the response to the Newtown, Conn., massacre varies widely in different parts of the country.
While lawmakers in generally more liberal states with large urban centers like New York and California have moved to tighten gun control laws, more conservative, rural areas in the American heartland have been going in the opposite direction, seeking to loosen restrictions, arm educators or even require gun ownership.


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Revelations of a U.S. spy program that allegedly allows digital surveillance of the presidents of Brazil and Mexico have drawn cries of indignation and anger in both nations, but the fallout may be strongest for U.S.-Brazil relations.
At stake is whether Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff will cancel a planned state visit to Washington in October, the first offered by President Barack Obama this year, or will take action on digital security that may affect U.S. companies such as Google, Facebook and Yahoo.
Brazil's O Globo television network reported Sunday night that the National Security Agency had spied on the emails, telephone calls and text messages of Rousseff and President Enrique Pena Nieto of Mexico. The report was based on documents obtained by journalist Glenn Greenwald, who lives in Rio de Janeiro, from Edward Snowden, a fugitive former NSA contractor who's living in Moscow.
O Globo's "Fantastico" program displayed an NSA document dated June 2012 that contained email sent by Pena Nieto, who was a presidential candidate at the time, discussing whom he might name to his Cabinet once elected. The network displayed a separate document that revealed communication patterns between Rousseff and her top advisers.
The revelations drew expressions of indignation in Brazil and Mexico.
Rousseff held an emergency Cabinet meeting Monday and her foreign minister, Luiz Alberto Figueiredo, summoned U.S. Ambassador Thomas Shannon for the second time since early July.
At a joint news conference Monday in Brasilia with Minister of Justice Jose Eduardo Cardozo, Figueiredo called the actions "an inadmissible and unacceptable violation of Brazilian sovereignty" and said Brazil expected a written explanation from the White House by the end of the week.
For its part, Mexico's Foreign Secretariat said it "rejects and categorically condemns any act of espionage against Mexican citizens in violation of international law." Mexico also summoned the U.S. ambassador, Anthony Wayne, but no meeting has yet taken place, as Wayne was out of the country.
Outrage seemed deeper and more widespread in Brazil than in Mexico.
One former Mexican ambassador, Andres Rozental, said he expected little fallout: "I don't think this is a major event for Mexico and Mexico-U.S. relations."
"Mexico has very little to gain out of going into a big hissy over this," added Vanda Felbab-Brown, a security and intelligence expert at the Brookings Institution, a Washington research center.
The U.S. government shares electronic signals swept from the skies over Mexico to help the nation catch drug kingpins and disrupt criminal organizations.
"The reality is that even under Pena Nieto, the high-value targeting is still there through signals intelligence," Felbab-Brown said.
The Brazilian newspaper O Estado de Sao Paulo reported Tuesday that Rousseff was considering canceling the state visit and might recall Brazil's ambassador to the United States.
Brazil also said it would raise the issue at the Group of 20 meeting this week in Russia, where Rousseff will see Obama for the first time since the original NSA leaks surfaced in June.
Rubens Barbosa, a former Brazilian ambassador to Washington under Fernando Henrique Cardoso, an elder statesman and the de facto leader of Brazil's opposition party, called the Rousseff administration's reaction "adequate," adding "you have to show that you are not comfortable with what the U.S. is doing."
Brazil might respond in ways that have teeth.
Rousseff is reported to be considering a proposal that would suspend the operations of companies that cooperate with the NSA or U.S. intelligence agencies.
This might be a new bill or may be inserted into a proposal under debate in Congress called the Marco Civil, a framework for Internet governance in Brazil that's being pushed by companies that include Google, Facebook, and Yahoo. If Rousseff were to propose modifying the Marco Civil to include her government's concerns, these companies probably would stop supporting it.
The Washington Post cited NSA documents in reports in June and last month that said Facebook, Google and Yahoo routinely provide information to U.S. agencies.
Rousseff also has talked about requiring foreign websites or Internet companies to store data in Brazil rather than in the United States.
Brazil's minister of communications, Paulo Bernardo, told O Estado de Sao Paulo that if companies cooperate with spying, their licenses to operate in Brazil will be canceled.
Peter Hakim, the president emeritus of the Inter-American Dialogue, a Washington-based policy group, noted that Secretary of State John Kerry had visited Brasilia last month to patch things up after the initial NSA leaks but "really did not do a very good job. He just brushed it off."
Hakim said he believed the O Globo report, and he added that "snooping at presidents is disrespectful and offensive."
Rousseff and Pena Nieto had to issue strong statements, Hakim said. "Both have to show they are not pushovers, that they can stand up to the U.S.," he said.
Questions remain over whether Washington is pressuring Brasilia to make life difficult for Greenwald, a U.S. citizen who resides in Brazil.
No evidence of that has yet surfaced, but a Brazilian official said that according to a cable, a U.S. official had brought up Greenwald at a meeting with a Brazilian official in Washington in August, saying that, "Greenwald's objective was to disrupt bilateral relations."
The Brazilian official, who spoke only on the condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to talk to journalists, added: "After Sunday, for certain Greenwald is being seen as an ally" by the Brazilian government.
The O Globo report has been widely covered in the rest of Latin America, and some experts say it's served as a new wake-up call on needs for cyber-security.
"Governments still don't have a grasp of the real dimensions of the problem," said Rafael Bonifaz, an Ecuadorean cryptographer and activist for free encryption software.
Not only sitting leaders should be concerned about surveillance, Bonifaz said, but also anyone with an eye on future elections.
"It's possible that future leaders are being spied on right now, and when they come to power the NSA will have a complete dossier on them," Bonifaz said.