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MR. DAVID GREGORY: Our issues this Sunday: anger and outrage over AIG and executive bonuses.
REP. CHARLIE RANGEL (D-NY): These people are getting away with murder.
PRES. BARACK OBAMA: I think people are right to be angry. I'm angry. What I want us to do, though, is channel our anger in a constructive way.
(End videotape)
MR. GREGORY: Who should be held accountable? And will this anger undermine the president as he tries to take additional steps to save the financial system and restore confidence?
Also, the other threat to the economy, crumbling infrastructure around the nation, which carries a staggering price tag. With us, three leaders trying to put that issue high on the agenda. They met with President Obama Friday at the White House and we'll hear from them exclusively this morning. The founders of Building America's Future: New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg, Pennsylvania's Democratic governor, Ed Rendell; and California's Republican governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Then, where do the president and his economic team go from here? And is the country losing patience even as the financial crisis deepens? Insights and analysis from NBC News special correspondent Tom Brokaw and anchor of CNBC's "Street Signs" and co-anchor of CNBC's "Squawk on the Street," Erin Burnett.
But first, with us, three leaders on the front lines of this economic crisis. Governor Schwarzenegger, Mayor Bloomberg, Governor Rendell, welcome all back to MEET THE PRESS. I don't have to tell any of you that anger in Washington and around the country this week boiled over over one number, $165 million, the amount of money that AIG paid in bonuses to executives with its financial products division. But you three have come to Washington this week with a different number in mind, $1.6 trillion, which is the amount that your group cites as the deficiency, the amount of money necessary to deal with that shortfall when it comes to the nation's infrastructure.
Governor Schwarzenegger, you met with the president. Tell me about why that is the key to this economy, and what's the case you made to him?
GOV. ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER (R-CA): Well, I think that infrastructure is extremely important. And I have been promoting and talking about infrastructure since I've come into office in 2003 because I felt that in California our infrastructure has fallen behind; in the last four decades we really didn't build much out there, and it's really something that is very important for the economy. In order for the economy to thrive and to live up to 100 percent of its potential, you need to have moved people and goods around very quickly. And so if that falls behind, then the economy falls behind. And so we were very successful in having the legislature in California and the people of California approve $42 billion of infrastructure bonds so that we can start rebuilding California. Now, my interest also isn't just in California. I want those in America to rebuild because our infrastructure in the whole United States is falling behind. And so we've formed this great partnership here because Governor Rendell is very much into building infrastructure in his own state; also, Mayor Bloomberg is interested and has done a great job in New York to build infrastructure. So we kind of joined forces and created this partnership here...
MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm. Right.
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: ...to put the spotlight on this issue. We're very fortunate that this president is listening to that and, and is interested in rebuilding America, and so we're trying to let him know we want to help and help draft the plan.
MR. GREGORY: So, Governor Rendell, first of all, it was Governor Schwarzenegger who said infrastructure's not a very sexy word when it comes to building political will. What are we talking about here? Bridges, roads, what else?
GOV. ED RENDELL (D-PA): Well, it's not just transportation infrastructure. First of all, high-speed rail. This country desperately needs to build a high-speed rail passenger system. We need to improve our rail freight system. But it's not just transportation. It's the levees that failed in Cedar Rapids and New Orleans. It's dams, it's water and wastewater systems. It's so much more. And the message is fairly clear. We started Building America's Future because we think this is about the future. We think it's about generations down the road. And unless we can rebuild our infrastructure, we're not going to be competitive. Unless we can rebuild our infrastructure, our quality of life is going to suffer. Unless we rebuild our infrastructure, things like what happened in Minnesota are going to repeat.
MR. GREGORY: Bridge collapse.
GOV. RENDELL: So our message to the president was, "Look, you've taken some great first steps." Infrastructure in the stimulus, his commitment to light--to building high-speed rail, the infrastructure bank, so important. We took a poll, Building America's Future, and the poll showed the American people are willing pay for infrastructure improvements, pay more taxes, if they believe it'll be done in a nonpolitical way, if the choices made will be good choices based on cost benefit analysis. That was our message to the president. We're willing to support him. We think the infrastructure bank is terrific. We need to do it in a little bit bigger scale.
MAYOR MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: The president deserves a lot of credit for trying to do what he promised he would do if he got elected. He's trying to address the difficult issues that have gone on for much too long with Congress and the White House being unwilling to face them. He's trying to do something about energy independence, health care, education, infrastructure, whole series of things. And so he deserves a lot of credit for trying to just not sit back and say, "I'll take only the stimulus part of the problem." He's going to make the investments for the long term.
MR. GREGORY: Though you said before the election that he should prioritize.
MAYOR BLOOMBERG: Well, I've said that he's--number one, he's got to build a team, which he's working on. That still takes a while to do. But number two, he's, he--somebody said a crisis is too important to waste. This is the time where he can galvanize Congress. This is a time where he can galvanize the country to get behind these things.
Yes, the amount of stimulus in the--the amount of money in the infrastructure package is a small amount. But Governor Rendell--who deserves all the credit, I think Arnold would agree with me, to putting this organization together--has talked about how you can leverage that money. And today it takes a while to get projects going. This president's willing to face the issues and he's going to have to work with Congress...
MR. GREGORY: Right.
MAYOR BLOOMBERG: ...as are all of us, and we've pledged to help him in every way we can to start attacking the problems where our sewers systems and water systems are inadequate, our transportation is inadequate, whether it's rail or air or roads, or our ports are inadequate to carry this country into the future.
MR. GREGORY: Did you get a commitment from the president?
MAYOR BLOOMBERG: The president started out by saying he got it. We gave him a briefing paper. He had read the briefing paper, and he assembled a team to say, "OK, these are my people. We're going to work together. Here's who you contact." We established the dialogue. President wants to get this done.
GOV. RENDELL: And the president understands, David, that we have to do it in a new way. If we let ISTEA be reauthorized next year, same old, same old.
MR. GREGORY: Right.
GOV. RENDELL: It's a disaster for future generations. We have to change. We have to do something like the infrastructure bank; creative, innovative, visionary.
MR. GREGORY: Right. But there is still the question, Governor Schwarzenegger, of, of who's going to pay for this. And are Americans, especially Americans who are none too pleased with where their tax dollars are going at the moment when it comes to the economy, are they really willing to pay higher taxes for this?
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: Well, I think that Governor Rendell has just mentioned that in the latest polls it shows that the people are very interested in rebuilding America and they're willing also to pay for it. Because look, everyone gets stuck in traffic. There is no reason why we should get stuck in traffic. I mean, what we have to do is have a plan in America to see how do we move people and goods around? Is it through rail? Is it high-speed rail? For instance, I am a big believer in high-speed rail. Is it through roads? What--which direction should we go? People want to move faster, companies want to move their goods much, much faster. We want to upgrade all of those things rather than getting stuck with that.
MR. GREGORY: Is an increase in the gas tax a place to start?
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: I think one has to look at it. Look, there's--that's, that's the next question maybe they do, how do you finance all of this. But I think the important thing is that there's a willingness amongst the people to pay for it. It doesn't all have to be done through public money. We are talking here about public-private partnerships.
MR. GREGORY: Right.
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: There's many companies that are interested in coming in and financing the high-speed rail or other rail systems, light rail and so on.
MR. GREGORY: Right. And we talk about private equity. There's so much money in this economy on the sidelines with nowhere to go and nobody wanting to assume any risk. So if there's this kind of private sector money, how would it work? If they--if private equity or hedge funds want to put up money for a light rail system, fast rail system around the country, what's in it for them?
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: Well, it's a, it's a great investment.
MR. GREGORY: Right.
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: I mean, that's what--it's like when you look at British Columbia or other places where they have a public-private partnership, where everyone is happy. Businesses are happy, the people are happy, labor is happy, the politicians are happy. I mean, everyone is happy. We want to do the same thing. We should--the United States should copy that kind of a principle so that you can go out there and build.
GOV. RENDELL: There's so many innovative ways to, to use the tax code to get private investment...
MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm.
GOV. RENDELL: ...involved in this. There are innovative ways. David, we don't have a capital budget, a federal capital budget. We're the only governmental subdivision in the country without one. You could finance--for $30 billion a year, which these days is not a lot of money, you could finance almost $400 billion to put up front in an infrastructure repair program administered through something like the infrastructure bank.
MR. GREGORY: Right.
Let's talk about economic reality for a moment. Mayor Bloomberg, you say there's nothing like a crisis to mobilize political support for long overdue reforms. But this week we got socked in the, in the, in the jaw here with the reality about this government's budget deficit and the long-term debt picture. This is how the Associated Press reported it: "One trillion dollar deficit seen for the next 10 years. The CBO, Congressional Budget Office, figures...predict that President Obama's budget will produce $9.3 trillion worth of red ink between 2010 and 2019, $2.3 trillion worse than the White House predicted in its budget. ... The latest figures, even worse than expected by top Democrats, throw a major money wrench into efforts to enact Obama's budget. ... The dismal deficit figures...inevitably raise the prospect that Obama and his allies controlling Congress would have to consider raising taxes after the recession ends, or paring back his agenda." How do you, as a matter of political will, make this kind of long-term investment when the country just can't afford it?
MAYOR BLOOMBERG: The political will issue is the president's greatest single challenge. There is a crisis of confidence in this country, and it's up to the president. He comes in--he's been in office two months. He campaigned on change, everybody wants him to succeed and he's got to now explain exactly that to the public, why it is so important to make the investment and to commit ourselves down the road and our kids down the road to pay back all of the money they're spending today. It's--we're in a situation where we can't not spend. We've got to get people back confident that they're not going to lose their job, that--their jobs, that they're not going to lose their houses. You know, I see it every day. I talk to people on the subway, they are worried. In this country people really--even if it hasn't hurt them directly, they see it with their neighbors. And so we've got to stop focusing on some of the publicity issues and focus on the real issue here. We've got to get the banking system liquid again and get them loaning. We've got to get the people being willing to spend. We've got to have business downsize or right size, but more importantly find ways to do things more efficiently. We live in a different world than we did a year ago.
MR. GREGORY: Right. But, Governor Rendell, the question of priorities. Can the nation afford, can the government afford to make long-term investments now, even if they're good programs, with this sort of crisis of confidence and this immediate liquidity problem in the banks and with this deficit picture?
GOV. RENDELL: I agree with Mayor Bloomberg, I don't think we can afford not to do it. But I think the president is making good in this year--in this budget. The, the, the high-speed rail component of it, the infrastructure bank, $25 billion. He's making good on that. So you have to under--I think the American people don't--aren't against spending, they're against spending they can't see. The bailouts, they can't get their arms around it, they can't touch it. They can't say, "Well, that's what happened for our money in the bailout." But for infrastructure, if we do it right and we're committed to seeing that it's done right...
MR. GREGORY: Right.
GOV. RENDELL: If we do it right, the American people will not only be able to see it, they'll be able to touch it.
MAYOR BLOOMBERG: Well, let me, let me tell you what happened in New York City in the '70s. We had an economic problem, they stopped investing in the future and we went a few decades with high crime and bad schools and filthy streets and cultural institutions falling apart and people leaving the city. Fortunately, we got it turned around. Today the crime is as low as it is in any city of 100,000 or more, the schools are getting better. The--we, we have record tourism, record number of people coming in because we have made the investments and we are making the investments. We have a $10.4 billion construction budget just for the city with city taxpayers dollars.
MR. GREGORY: I want to turn to this issue of political will more generally. Governor Schwarzenegger, this AIG mess is in part about American's frustrations. They don't know who's protecting them anymore. They don't know what to believe in anymore. They feel like government's letting them down, they feel like the financial system and industry is letting them down. A lot of people upset with the media as well. The Asbury Park Press in New Jersey, on the shore there, wrote this in an editorial this week: "Here's the one part of the bailout that makes our stomach churn"--this was an editorial--"churn the most: None of these guys are in prison. You can rob a bank out of desperation and end up with 10 or 15 years in jail. You can rob a nation blind out of pure greed and get nothing but a tongue lashing. Something's got to change." Now, nobody at AIG is accused of any wrongdoing or committing any crime, just bad judgment at the very least. Where do Americans go for accountability for all this?
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: Well, I think that political leaders are responsible for that, and also, you know, Wall Street and those companies are responsible. What they've done is unacceptable, there's no two ways about that. And I think that the federal government has to deal with that. I mean, this is not our kind of responsibility. What we are trying to do here in Washington is to go to the White House, talk to the president and say, "Help us to get America rebuilt." We are into infrastructure, we are into rebuilding America...
MR. GREGORY: Right.
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: ...rebuilding our bridges and our roads and our rail system, high-speed rail and all of those kind of things.
But at the same time, I have to tell you that the kind of financial struggles and the uncertainties that you see here in America, you see all over the world. I just came back from Germany from a trade mission where we met, met with 100 different countries over there, high technology companies. It was the biggest trade mission in the world. And everyone there talked about exactly the same thing. And you know, America--not only America, but the whole world is in an, an economic crisis. But there's one thing I know for sure, that I have total trust in America. I've been here now for 40 years. Even though there are a lot of uncertainties, and there were uncertainties in the past...
MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm.
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: ...one thing is certain, and that is that we will come back and America will come back stronger than ever and it will sort out all of those problems.
MR. GREGORY: Right.
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: We, we will learn from the mistakes that were made in the past.
MR. GREGORY: Governor, Governor Rendell, you were nodding your head on this question of this lack of confidence, or a feeling that people aren't--do you think Americans are mad or even--are madder about AIG and bonuses than they are frustrated or scared about their own individual financial position?
GOV. RENDELL: Well, they're mad because the AIG bonus is something simple that they can see and get their arms around.
MR. GREGORY: Right.
GOV. RENDELL: The financial crisis nobody can exactly get their arms around. But the answer to your question, David, is we have a free market economy. And I think we'll always have a free market economy. But government has a role to regulate and police, and that's where government failed. We are a free market, entrepreneurial economy, but government has to have regulations and checks and balances and, and they weren't there.
MR. GREGORY: Mayor Bloomberg, remedies. When this AIG business came along here and it really blew up this week, the response has been taxes. The House has passed a measure to go back and sort of claw back these bonuses, get 90 percent in taxes. Republicans and Democrats have raised their voices to say the tax code should not be used punitively like this. There's talk of trying to publicly out the people who received these bonuses. Is this the right response?
MAYOR BLOOMBERG: Well, number one, the first thing to do is to put the right people in charge. And I think Tim Geithner is exactly the guy that I would want there. He's smart, he is a workaholic, he's been there, he's been part of the financial system for a long time, he understands how things work, how markets work, how people react. When it comes down to worrying about the bonuses, I understand why people are really upset. But the real thing that we've got to focus on is getting the banks liquid, getting them to start making loans again. What I'm worried about, we have 6500 people who work for AIG that live in New York City. Most of them make less than $100,000 a year, they don't get bonuses. They want to keep their jobs, they want to be able to pay their mortgages. So what we've got to do is find some ways to balance all of this, make those who are culpable lose their investments, not get their bonuses, but really focus on how we're going to get companies back going, growing again.
MR. GREGORY: David Brooks writes about this in The New York Times on Friday when he talks about the shortsightedness of this outrage over AIG. He writes this: "The Washington political class has spent the past week going into made-for-TV hysterics over $165 million in AIG bonuses. We're in the middle of a multitrillion-dollar crisis, and our political masters...have decided to risk destroying the entire bank-rescue plan because of bonuses that account for 0.001 percent of the annual GDP."
Governor Schwarzenegger, California's harder hit than almost any, any part of the country. Do you think the populism, the populist anger in the country is good or bad for the country at this point?
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: Well, you know, I understand with your job that you have to kind of point a lot of times at the negatives things. I see things also in a positive way. We in California, we had a $42 billion budget deficit. And the legislators, Democrats and Republicans came together after long negotiations and we came to an agreement, a budget agreement, and reformed also the budget system, which will go on a ballot on May 19th with six measures on the ballot, and it has a good chance of passing. So there will be historic reforms. So I think that one can take the crisis and turn it into an opportunity and do really great things, and that will bring the confidence back when the people see Democrats and Republicans coming together. In California they've come together, and I think the people really appreciate that. So I think that's what we have to do on a national level. Like I said, I have great hopes for this country, and I think that, that Washington is going to learn from the mistakes that it--that were made in the past, and I think in the end we're going to come out stronger and better.
MR. GREGORY: You're talking about being more positive. President Obama faces great leadership challenges with regard to this economic crisis, and he spoke in, in the context of taxpayers' frustration, bailout fatigue and just anger. Back in--during his address to Congress February 24th, this is what he said.
(Videotape, February 24, 2009)
PRES. OBAMA: I also know that in a time of crisis we cannot afford to govern out of anger or yield to the politics of the moment.
(End videotape)
MR. GREGORY: And yet the politics of the moment this week, all about outrage over AIG. This is what he said Wednesday.
(Videotape, Wednesday)
PRES. OBAMA: I don't want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry. I'm angry. What I want us to do, though, is channel our anger in a constructive way.
(End videotape)
MR. GREGORY: Is he keeping his promise of not governing in anger?
GOV. RENDELL: Well, I think he said to channel our anger in a constructive way. Look, I think it's a bigger issue than the momentary anger, and God knows we all have to understand what people are feeling. We've got to change the corporate culture in this country. I don't think we can legislate it, but we've got to change it. People should be rewarded when they do good things for their company. What really my constituents say to me, "How dare these SOBs who tanked their own company, who caused this problem in America, get huge bonuses. They're lucky that they still have a job. They shouldn't get bonuses because they failed to perform." And that's exactly right.
MR. GREGORY: Hm.
GOV. RENDELL: That's what happens to the working guy. Think of how many Americans, David, have lost their jobs, even though they've done a brilliant job, because their company failed because the economy failed? In Pennsylvania, up until February we'd lost 60,000 jobs. In February we lost 43,000 jobs. What do we say to those people, that these individuals got bonuses?
MR. GREGORY: Right.
GOV. RENDELL: And it's not AIG's money. If it was AIG's money, they can do anything they want. It was our money.
MR. GREGORY: But, Mayor Bloomberg, you've made the point repeatedly in the course of our conversation. We know about a startling figure, $2 trillion at least is how much the banks have lost on their balance sheets from these impaired assets. The taxpayers have to do something about that. The president has said there's $750 billion in the budget for additional bailout money. He's got a steep hill to climb because of that. AIG makes it worse. A lot of critics say look, if you were opposed to the bonuses several months ago when they came to light, you could've fought to renegotiate those contracts to deny the bonuses. If you think they weren't that big of a deal or you wanted to avoid a lawsuit, then maybe the responsibility now is not to feed the anger, but to try to put it into perspective and say, "Look, we have to make priorities. You can't get so mad about this. We've got to think about the long term." What should he be doing?
MAYOR BLOOMBERG: I think he's got to look--Arnold said that you, and he's right, you go around the world and everybody's got the same kind of problems we do. I would--excuse me--I would rather have America's hand to play than any other hand. And being optimistic doesn't even cost you a dime. There's no reason not to think that we won't get through this and come out of the other side. What we have to do is make sure that those who are getting hurt in the meantime don't fall through whatever kind of safety nets we can build. But having said that, we still have to go and get on with our lives. We have to buy new cars, we have to start new businesses, we have to go and provide good educations for our kids and make those kinds of commitments.
MR. GREGORY: I understand. But I want to interrupt you because I'm asking you a very direct question about, look, the three of you around this table represent 56 million people. You're leaders, you're communicators. This is a leadership question for the president of the United States. There is rampant anger in the country. We've talked about the fact, I mean, a lot of people have legitimate claims. Is his responsibility now to try to tamp down that anger, or has he allowed himself to get caught up in it for political reasons?
MAYOR BLOOMBERG: Well, keep in mind he's only been in office, as I said before, two months, and so he's got to work his way through this kind of problem. I don't think any president's come into office with as many problems on his plate day one as this one has. What he's got to do is explain to the public why we have to get a functioning banking system. He's got to explain to the public why we want to reward people who take risks and are successful and build businesses and give us a future. That is his job. He is the leader of the free world and people listen to every word he says, and he's got to focus on that. And he's getting his team together, he's getting his voice. It just takes a little time. I think he's going to be a great president.
MR. GREGORY: And you support Secretary Geithner?
MAYOR BLOOMBERG: Absolutely.
MR. GREGORY: And, Governor Schwarzenegger, you said you supported Secretary Geithner. Do you still have confidence in him?
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: Yes. And I, I think that what AIG did is, is horrible and it's inexcusable and unacceptable. But you've got to also, at the same time, talk about the positive.
MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm.
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: I mean, President Obama was out in California. I was with him there where he announced $80 billion of great, great part of that economic stimulus package: $35 billion in tax benefits, $50 billion on other stimulus benefits; infrastructure itself, $7 billion to help us build roads and schools and all kinds of buildings. So you know, almost $20 billion for health care and for education and on and on. That, to me, is positive. That is great for the state of California. And we wanted to let him know that we appreciate that. We had this big rally there for him. So to me, that has to be put--and at the same time, you can't always just talk about the problems that there are...
MR. GREGORY: Right.
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: ...or the mistakes that were made. I just want to make sure that--not to ignore this problem that you're talking about...
MR. GREGORY: Sure.
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: ...but also to mention the good things that are happening in this country.
MR. GREGORY: Right. Fair point. But I think what--about emphasizing the positive. But there's also--when we talk about political will and leadership, his ability, the administration's ability to achieve these goals that rely on political will is crumbling because of issues like AIG. It's a political fact for him.
GOV. RENDELL: Yeah, and it must be incredibly frustrating to the president, because he wanted the stimulus to get a chance to work and he wanted the emphasis to be on the stimulus. And the AIG thing took a week, maybe 10 days off of the momentum that we're creating with the stimulus. And Mike and Arnold are right, the stimulus is beginning to work.
MR. GREGORY: Right.
GOV. RENDELL: What the president has to do is recognize the anger and say, "OK, you're right to be angry. We're going to try to do something about it. But let's move on, let's get about the work of getting this country back together again."
MAYOR BLOOMBERG: Right. I, I, I would, I would phrase it slightly differently, but the same theme. The president can't worry about what's politically popular. He's been elected to be the president of the United States and he's taking on the tough issues right now. He's not going to be popular. Every one of those issues are contentious, otherwise we would have solved those problems a long time ago. What he should do is go out there and say, "I was elected to lead from the front, not from the back," and do that. And the American public isn't stupid. The American public, even when they don't like what you do, if they think you're doing it from the heart, if they think you've got good ideas, if they think you've consulted and tried to build the consensus and work with people in a nonpartisan way, they're going to come behind them. Maybe not day one, but he's got to build a legacy and he's got to start right now. And I think he's starting to do it.
MR. GREGORY: Let me follow on that point and, Governor Schwarzenegger, ask you about the political reality you face in California. The unemployment numbers up over 10 percent, what was--what the fear is about unemployment nationally. Your approach toward post-partisan government has been dealt blows by decisions you've had to make. Your approval rating at 38 percent overall; 56 percent of Republicans, your own party, disapprove of the job you're doing. Do you second-guess your approach to bipartisanship?
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: I love that you're such a positive fellow. But I see it differently. I think that the California people have seen Democrats and Republicans come together on this budget negotiations, also on our own economic stimulus package in California and also the reform government and to make government run more efficiently. Those are great, great achievements, and I think the people appreciate that. So to me post-partisanship, or bipartisanship is alive and well, and I think we've been very successful in that. And now together Democrats and Republicans are trying to make sure that we can pass those initiatives, like I said, in May. So good things are happening. But at the same time, we are very concerned about the 10.5 percent unemployment rate that we have. And that is why it is so important not only when we talk about infrastructure to think about rebuilding America, but since we are in a crisis right now it is important to also put people to work. And let me tell you something. Every billion dollars that we put in on infrastructure, we create 18- to 25,000 new jobs. And every person that can go back to work and bring a paycheck home to their family, to me that is great news and that's what we're doing right now.
MR. GREGORY: Take a moment, each of you. What do you expect from this stimulus for New York City?
MAYOR BLOOMBERG: We need some help paying Medicaid, which is a cost that's getting out of control. Our state budget is in trouble, so the state's cutting back their support for the city. Education money is terribly important. It's perhaps the best investment that Washington can make. I've--if President Obama changes public education in this country, it'll be the greatest legacy that will go on for decades. And those monies will help. But it's not going to solve all the problems. Federal government's not going to bail out every state budget and every city budget. Fundamentally in New York City we've cut $3 billion out of the expense side of our budget and we still don't have a balanced budget. I'll have to see what the state does to us. But we've had to raise revenues and reduce expenses. And in the end there's no easy answers to this problem. Government is going to have to find ways to do more with less and probably do less because they have less to do it with.
MR. GREGORY: Are you hopeful about the beginning of a turnaround of a recovery by the end of the year?
MAYOR BLOOMBERG: Yeah, I think there are some encouraging signs. I don't know if it's the end of this year, the middle of next year. Nobody really knows.
MR. GREGORY: Yeah.
MAYOR BLOOMBERG: But we've put an awful lot of money into the economy, whether it's through the Fed or through Treasury with the stimulus package, and the public wants to see that Congress is addressing these problems in a responsible way. That will give people overseas who buy our bonds the confidence so we can keep financing our deficit. That will get people to have the confidence to invest in businesses, which is going to create the jobs that we need.
MR. GREGORY: Speak about Pennsylvania. What do you expect out of the stimulus?
GOV. RENDELL: Well, we've lost, as I said, 103,000 jobs. I think the stimulus will bring back about 40- to 50,000 of those. It'll help us avoid another 30- to 40,000 layoffs, so that's very significant. Come May, June, July, over the summer, people are going to be packing lunch pails again, they're going to be going back to work. And the citizens are going to see that work starting and it's going to start a very positive feeling, which we need in this country. We haven't had good news. But people going back to work, orders coming into factories that haven't had any for a long time, I think that's going to generate a sense of optimism that we haven't seen. And that's exactly what the stimulus set out to do, and I think it's going to reach its goal in Pennsylvania.
MR. GREGORY: Before we end our discussion, I want to bring up what's become a rather sensitive issue out of the president's appearance on "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno." He, he made a joke about his bowling skills, or lack thereof. Let's show that.
(Videotape, Thursday)
PRES. OBAMA: I bowled a 129. Yes. I had...
MR. JAY LENO: Oh, no, that's very good. Yeah. No, that's very good, Mr. President.
PRES. OBAMA: (Unintelligible)...it's like--this is like Special Olympics or something.
MR. LENO: No, that, that...
(End videotape)
MR. GREGORY: Now, the joke about the Special Olympics, Governor Schwarzenegger, is something that the president's spokesman called a thoughtless joke. He apologized almost immediately for it when he was on Air Force One. This is obviously very important to your family, the Shriver family, head of the Special Olympics. And it was the first lady of California who released a statement saying what's so painful about this, everybody makes mistakes, but the audience laughed with it. Do you think that this is a moment to shine a light on this and, and to offer some kind of moment to teach people about some greater awareness of this?
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: Well, I think that, first of all, I know where his heart is at. I mean, I think that he loves Special Olympics and he would do anything that he can to be helpful to Special Olympics. This was one of those slips that, you know, you always regret afterwards. And I've had mine, believe me, plenty of them where I had to go back and apologize. And I'm sure everyone in public life has had those moments. But the important thing is where's his heart? And number two, what is important is, yes, you're right, people laughed. And I think that it needs more awareness in Special Olympics. I think that the Special Olympics itself does a great job. I think my mother-in-law, who started it in 1968, has done an extraordinary job when America was the only country that participated. Now there's 164 countries all over the world participating in Special Olympics. In, in Shanghai a year and a half ago we had the biggest opening ceremony with around 100,000 people in the stadium and having the most extraordinary event. But you know, the more we reach out through Best Buddies program...
MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm.
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: ...like I have, for instance, someone in the office working for Best Buddies. Other governors are doing the same thing. In the federal government we are trying to do the same thing, where there's more and more of those folks working there, because they're so talented. The fact of the matter is when you talk about bowling, I guarantee you there's a Special Olympian out there that bowls 200, because I have witnessed it myself. I was in South Africa at a, at a golf tournament, and I got beaten badly by a Special Olympian in playing golf, that I can tell you.
MR. GREGORY: In your meeting with the president did you talk about this, talk about perhaps a role he might play going forward to shed some more light on this?
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: Before this ever happened he has already talked about the, the role he will play and how important Special Olympics is. That's why I said his heart is at the right place. He loves Special Olympics.
MR. GREGORY: All right, we're going to leave it there. Thank you all very much.
GOV. RENDELL: Yeah.
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER: Thank you.
MR. GREGORY: Coming next, new details on the bank bailout. Where do the president and his economic team go from here, as anger grows and the economic crisis deepens? Our roundtable weighs in, NBC's Tom Brokaw and CNBC's Erin Burnett, here only on MEET THE PRESS.
MR. GREGORY: Our roundtable with Tom Brokaw and Erin Burnett on the deepening economic crisis after this brief station break.
MR. GREGORY: We are back and joined by Tom Brokaw and Erin Burnett. Welcome to both of you.
Big news coming out this week, Erin Burnett, has to do, finally, with that banking plan. The effort--it's very complicated, but it boils down to getting these prepared assets off the books, off the balance sheets of these major banks. How are they going to do it?
MS. ERIN BURNETT: As you said, at long last, finally, and we hope it works. Basically you could say this is just a return to what Hank Paulson had proposed last fall when he originally said, "Give me the money, we're going to buy these assets from the banks." Now they're trying to be a little bit more sophisticated about it, but the bottom line is this: they're going to try to get investors to come in, put in a little bit of money, put in some taxpayer money, give some inexpensive loans to those investors and buy the loans from the banks. And if it works, that would mean the banks have some freed up space to make more loans. And that's if it works. I don't think you should expect it to be a mammoth endeavor at first.
MR. GREGORY: The reality though, Tom, is that if the banks do this at a lower cost, what they think it's worth, they're going to lose some money. So taxpayers have to wonder, will there have to be additional capital provided by the government to keep the banks afloat?
MR. TOM BROKAW: Well, I think we're dealing with two elements here. First of all, politically the secretary of the Treasury, Tim Geithner, needs to get on the board. He needs to have a victory. And speak in March Madness terms, you know, he needs to move to the next round. And the president's going to have to help him more than he has in the past. When it comes to how the banks respond to this and how the country responds to it, a Wall Street friend of mine who is very friendly to this administration sent me an e-mail over the weekend and said, "Look, we didn't have a good sign last week when the Federal Reserve came out with that is called TALF." Now, this sounds like hieroglyphics, but they were making money available, backing it up with student loans and other things, and there was a kind of an anemic response to that.
MS. BURNETT: Mm-hmm.
MR. BROKAW: And what has happened is a lot of these financial institutions, David, are saying, "I'm not sure I want to go there. Because if Congress is going to tee me up two days later..."
MR. GREGORY: Right.
MR. BROKAW: "...and add additional conditions to it, that's not something I want to do."
MR. GREGORY: You've said before, Erin, what the market wants, what Wall Street wants, what investors want is clarity.
MS. BURNETT: Mm-hmm.
MR. GREGORY: And that's what the intervention by Congress has taken away when you change the rules of the road down the line. It's also important to remember there's a lot of money in this economy, but it's on the sidelines because people don't want the risk. But this is a real factor.
MS. BURNETT: It is. And by the way, in terms of money on the sidelines, there's a record. I mean, everyone watching has probably been, whatever money they have, putting it in their bank account as opposed to investing it. That is money on the sidelines. It, it's at a record. But in terms of the rules, this week I think the thing that was most frightening for these potential investors was the retroactivity of the House bill.
MR. BROKAW: Mm-hmm.
MS. BURNETT: That they could say, "Not just are we going to change the rules on you today as opposed to what we promised yesterday, but we can go back and say we're going to tax you on what you earned last year or the year before." And that is a risk that just is unacceptable and would prevent the private capital from coming in.
MR. BROKAW: Well, I--listen, I think that this is a crucial week for the administration. We've got to get rid of this whole business about 100 days and how many weeks he's been in office. Every day is a hundred-day test for this president...
MR. GREGORY: Hm.
MS. BURNETT: Hm.
MR. BROKAW: ...in this financial crisis. And people who are part of what I call his extended financial adviser family are saying privately and, and publicly now they need to go farther and faster and concentrate on this alone. And it probably means that the president's going to have to raise his profile and not get into a situation like a week ago you had Larry Summers on a Sunday saying, "Well, we have to honor these contracts," the next day the president's saying it's an outrage that they're getting this. They got to get their act together and move forward as one.
MS. BURNETT: They need to know where he stands.
MR. GREGORY: The--right. And...
MS. BURNETT: It's unclear where he stands right now.
MR. GREGORY: The question of defending Treasury Secretary Geithner came up this week. The president had to defend him. And he does it again in an interview that airs on "60 Minutes" tonight. He says his job is safe. He even went to great lengths this week comparing him, his Treasury secretary, to Alexander Hamilton. Let's watch that.
(Videotape, Wednesday)
PRES. OBAMA: There has never been a secretary of the Treasury, except maybe Alexander Hamilton right after the Revolutionary War, who's had to deal with the multiplicity of issues that Secretary Geithner's having to deal with all at the same time. And you know, he is doing so with intelligence and diligence. Nobody's working harder than this guy. You know, he is making all the right moves in terms of playing a bad hand.
(End videotape)
MR. GREGORY: Is there a real conversation going on out there, Erin, about replacing him?
MS. BURNETT: Yes, there is. And it was interesting watching your roundtable before, how the governors, all of whom are very respected in financial circles, were, were defending him. I, I spent a lot of time this weekend talking to Wall Street CEOs and executives. All of them supported Tim Geithner and all of them still say this is a man who understands what he's doing. They respect his intelligence and his knowledge of the complexity. They don't want someone in there who doesn't have those characteristics. That being said, some of them said they are very disappointed not just with the--some of the charisma challenges that he has had, but with this specifically, which is he asks for them to bring plans. You know, "Show me some ideas," and then sort of says, "Hey, they may not work." What they miss is the proactivity and the creativity of a Hank Paulson, where he said, "Here's an idea, take a look at it," and sort of, "Let's get this done." There is some real criticism on that, and that is a new thing from those executives.
MR. BROKAW: There's another issue here, David, and that is Tim Geithner needs help. They've not been able to fill a lot of senior positions at the Treasury Department. He's working the phone a lot during the week talking to people who have sterling reputations in New York. They don't want to come to Washington in what they see as a toxic environment for Wall Street people. You know, they've made a lot of money, they've got a few houses. They're going to see that displayed on screens, they're going to have people they've never heard of before examining their every motive. So a lot of them are saying, "No thanks, I'm going to stay home at the moment." So he needs help. And again, he may need the president's help in getting the right people down here. They're now saying to potential appointees, "It may take four months to vet you." Now, that's got to stop. You know, if you, if you want to fill these jobs, you've got to get realistic about how long it's going to take. The questionnaire has gone from some 40 pages to some 60 pages. Now, someone who's very close to the president politically said to me the other night that they're going to fast track that. They're probably going to get some people who won't require confirmation. But we've got to get the best people that we can find into these senior positions because, as the president said, this is the most daunting task any secretary has had since Hamilton.
MR. GREGORY: It leads me so perfectly to a question about what happened this week. Why was this week a kind of tipping point? Here's the cover of Newsweek magazine. You've got an angry mob with pitchforks and the headline, "The Thinking Man's Guide to Populist Rage." Editor Jon Meacham writes this: "It was, in a way, overdue. Beginning last September, when the financial sector of the economy collapsed and the markets melted down, a resurgence of American populism seemed inevitable. ... And yet the temper of the time, shaped in large measure by Barack Obama's own coolness, remained calm. ... You might think of the period between September 2008 and March 2009, then, as a kind of economic phony war, the term historians use to describe the months that elapsed between Hitler's invasion of Poland in September 1939 to the broader outrake of--outbreak, rather--of hostilities in late April and early May of 1940. In this analogy, the AIG bonuses that were revealed last week are rather like the battle for France--the point after which nothing would be the same."
Your take, Tom, on what happened this week.
MR. BROKAW: Well, I--my take, I think it's understandable. One of the things that I've been saying is that for a year now, for a full year nothing that the American people have been told about the financial condition of this country has proved to be true. And very good people--Jamie Dimon from JPMorgan Chase said last June, after Bear Stearns collapsed, "Well, we think we've seen the worst for Wall Street now. We still have the housing crisis to go."
MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm.
MR. BROKAW: Well, we hadn't seen the worst from Wall Street. And this AIG bonus thing exploded in everyone's faces. Meanwhile, across the country car dealers are going under as they watch GM get bailouts and GMAC come and clear off their lots of the vehicles that they owe money on. Mom and pop and regional retail stores are closing up or cutting back severely. I know one banker who was dealing with a client who got in some credit card difficulty and, as he said, the day that Citibank got 5 percent money from the government this client, a single mom, had her penalty bumped up 2 points on her credit card late payments. And he said, "How do you explain that?" That would ricochet up and down any Main Street. So there has been this steady building. And I think that not just the administration, but the political culture in Washington has been insufficiently attentive to what's going on on Wall--on Main Street, at the other end of the pipeline. They need to hear from those people, make them feel like they're part of the process and make them understand how we can all go forward and we not just feel your pain, but we hear what you're saying.
MR. GREGORY: And I just feel like, Erin, there's been a, a breaking of contracts. If there was a social contract between American investors and Wall Street, it was, "Look, we don't really get a lot of what you do..."
MR. BROKAW: Yeah, right.
MR. GREGORY: "...but we count on you for the long-term wealth." And all of the sudden that evaporates. And when it comes to government, hey, government's got to be looking out for us, protecting us. That seems not to have happened. It's that loss of faith that I brought up with the leaders in the earlier discussion.
MS. BURNETT: I think you, you put it in a great way when you said it's a breaking of a contract; which does, in a sense, sort of explain why there is such public support for breaking formal legal contracts...
MR. GREGORY: Hm.
MS. BURNETT: ...when people feel they've been so let down, as you're talking about. Because the irony of this is that even though it seems it's about the money when it comes to these bonuses, it really isn't. When you look at the bonuses paid last year, the $18.6 billion number from Wall Street that so shocked people, if you taxed that at the, at the House bill rate, that's only .6 percent of the tax revenue that the United States government took in a year ago. It's an infant--it's incredibly small. So in a sense it really isn't about the money, it's about this broader shift. The average executive in this country of a publicly traded company, not just Wall Street, makes 400 times the average worker. And that has been a dramatic shift over the past two decades. That is something that is causing some of the anger here. In a sense it's been building, and this is the moment where it breaks.
MR. GREGORY: And yet the leadership question for the president of the United States boils down to how do you try to lead people out of this under such difficult circumstance? The president said a couple of weeks ago, "We can't govern in anger," and yet again this week, on Monday, he was talking about AIG specifically. Listen to this.
(Videotape, Monday)
PRES. OBAMA: In the last six months AIG has received substantial sums from the U.S. Treasury, and I've asked Secretary Geithner to use that leverage and pursue every single legal avenue to block these bonuses and make the American taxpayers whole.
Everybody involved needs to understand this is not just a matter of dollars and sense. It's about our fundamental values.
(End videotape)
MR. GREGORY: So the question then, Tom, if it's a question of fundamental values, then why, when the bonuses came up several months ago, did the government not say, "Hold on. We're going to renegotiate the terms of the deal here if we're going to give you an additional $30 billion"?
MR. BROKAW: I don't have an answer for that, and neither do the people who didn't do that at that time. I'm also struck by how many members of Congress who now have all the outrage that we see in these public hearings, Democrats and Republicans alike, who are up shaking the money tree every opportunity they got for campaign contributions. We don't hear a lot of them talking about, "I'm going to send that money back," by the way. So I think everybody is at fault here. And what we need is some statesmanship on both sides. I think we need the president to step up his game, but we also need on the Republican side for people to say, "Look, we made some mistakes when we were in power, as well." We had that enormous deficit projected by the Congressional Budget Office last week, which is going to have our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren paying it off for a long time. We're all in this together. One of the things that helped Franklin Roosevelt in the first 100 days is that some really hardback Republicans said, "The president wants this. I think we have to go forward and get it to get the country out of this." You don't see very much of that going on in Washington now.
MR. GREGORY: And the reality is that the government has said, the president has said we're going to need more money to help these banks. The program that we're talking about being unveiled, that's expected to be unveiled tomorrow...
MS. BURNETT: Right.
GREGORY: ....involves the Fed providing a lot of financing and the Treasury Department providing a lot of equity in order to entice private investors to buy some of these troubled assets. They could be on the hook for a lot more money. How does the president, who has been involved in, in maintaining that anger level, go back to Congress and say, "Hey, by the way, I need you to provide the banks more money"?
MS. BURNETT: Right now it does appear there's an impasse when you look at what happened on, on Capitol Hill this week. I, I don't think it was just Wall Street that was shocked. I think everybody was shocked, in a sense, to see the level of rancor on, on Capitol Hill. In terms of what's going to happen from here, the real question, at least among people I've talked to even in the White House, is whether the president will stand up and, and sort of, I guess, try to walk a middle line, but say, "I want reform on compensation. We're going to have some regulations, and I'm going to do it either through legislation or through some formal legislation--regulation caps in terms of, you know, how much executives can make. And, and I'm going to put that in here. I'm going to put that into the TALF legislation, for example, so people can't. We're going to get these investors involved." A big issue, though, will be will he do that? He's said he's not going to govern out of anger, but now he's said he's outraged. It's a middle line and it's unclear whether he's going to walk it.
MR. GREGORY: And the question about this House bill, Tom, to tax at 90 percent retroactively these bonuses, does this go anywhere?
MR. BROKAW: Yeah. Well, I don't know what happens when it gets to the Senate, but I think it'll play out there a little bit because there's an awful lot of demagoguery that's attached to all this. It--look, I can under--absolutely understand the outrage of the bonuses, and something should have been--there was a better way, however, of getting the money back, getting them to be more realistic on the other side. Tom Friedman writes about it today in The New York Times, saying what if the president had appealed to those people who received the bonus and say, "Look, it's in the public interest and the national interest for you to give the money back or to rework the terms of it all." To go to a 90 percent tax, $250,000 limits--over $250,000 salaries for people who get bailout money, the motivation for people who go to work on Wall Street is they want to make money. And if they can make a lot of money for shareholders and for investors, they deserve to get a piece of the action. Well, what's outrageous about this one is they tanked a company and they still expected to get paid.
MS. BURNETT: Right.
MR. GREGORY: Right. You know, I talked to somebody in, in Los Angeles yesterday who said, "You know, it's just all of this is so distressing. Everybody's bickering with each other, blaming each other and things are so horrible."
MS. BURNETT: Right.
MR. GREGORY: It leads to the project you're working on, Tom, "The American Character." You'll--you write the forward for a new book about this. And you're going to be spending some time going around the country, I gather asking the question about how the psychology of the country's changing.
MR. BROKAW: Well, it's not just the psychology, but how businesses are responding to these circumstances that they find themselves in. Not just how they're downsizing, but how they're positioning themselves for the new economy. Not just because he's my boss, but Jeff Immelt of GE has had the best single line that I know: "It's not a cycle," he says, "it's a reset." And it's a reset not just economically, it's a reset culturally, it's a reset politically, it's a reset in terms of our expectations. So Highway 50 goes from eastern Maryland all the way out to the California coast, touches most of the political bases in this country, and I've always believed as long as I've been a journalist, and I've been covering Washington for 40 years now, that we don't hear enough from there back this way. That it's always, "We talk, you listen," in Washington. People want to be heard now. They've got something to say, they're tuned in and they've said, in effect, to people in Washington and Wall Street, "You've had your turn..."
MR. GREGORY: Hm.
MR. BROKAW: "...and look where we are."
MR. GREGORY: And the reality is that whatever recovery looks like...
MS. BURNETT: Mm-hmm.
MR. GREGORY: ...it's going to be a lot different. The notion that wealth comes back, that it's a return to where we were is simply fiction.
MS. BURNETT: It is. I mean, you say Route 50, by the way, I grew up on Route 50.
MR. BROKAW: Yeah. You did?
MS. BURNETT: Actually in eastern Maryland. So that was--when you say that, oh, yeah.
It is, though, a complete reset, and I think Jeff Immelt's right in saying that. When we're trying to talk about can we get lending--all of these acronym plans we're talking about are trying to reinflate the economy. And the question is, can it be reinflated? We had expectations that we were going to have three cars in every driveway. Well, we're probably not going to have three cars in every driveway. We might have two cars, we might even have one car. There's going to be a different standard of living. And how much lower will that be than where we were a year ago? Fundamentally nobody knows, and that is the uncertainty that you see. And in these little specific fights we see over bonus compensation or over a Treasury plan or--that's what all of these fights are about, is about that bigger question and the uncertainty we all feel.
MR. GREGORY: Just a few seconds, Tom.
MR. BROKAW: Well, Paul Volcker said to me the other night, he said--a lot of hand-wringing about consumption, and it's dropping. He said it's gotten back to about where it should have been in the first place. And I think that's what people have to use that as a calibration of where we are.
MS. BURNETT: Mm-hmm. And if we're where it should have been, then that would be a good thing for the economy.
MR. BROKAW: Yeah.
MS. BURNETT: It could mean we're stabilizing where we are now instead of going lower.
MR. GREGORY: All right, we will leave it there. Thanks to both of you.
We're going to continue our discussion online, by the way, and ask this roundtable some question that our viewers submitted via e-mail and Twitter. Watch our MEET THE PRESS Take Two Web extra up this afternoon on our Web site. Plus, look for our updates from me throughout the week. It's all at mtp.msnbc.com.
MR. GREGORY: That's all for today. We'll be back next week. If it's Sunday, it's MEET THE PRESS.


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Steppenwolf Theatre Company said Sunday that the National Theatre in London will produce Lisa D'Amour's "Detroit" in May, 2012.
This will not, though, be the Steppenwolf production of the play (as was the case in 2008 with Tracy Letts' "August: Osage County"), but a separate staging that may or not involve some members of the original creative team (Austin Pendleton directed the premiere in Chicago in 2010). Either way, the cast will not be the same.
The London outing would appear to nix the previously announced Broadway production for this season, although the producer Jeffrey Richards continues to hold the Broadway rights and has said that he still plans to produce the play on Broadway.
But the current Broadway season is heavy on new plays and the original cast of "Detroit" has been making other plans. Laurie Metcalf, for example, will appear in the latest David Mamet play, "The Anarchist," another Richards production currently slated for Broadway in the fall of 2012.
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Vince Wilfork's work address will remain in Foxborough.
NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Thursday that Wilfork and the New England Patriots have agreed on a three-year, $22.5 million contract extension, according to a source involved in the deal. The deal averages $7.5 million per year and includes $3 million in guaranteed money.
The news comes three days after Patriots owner Robert Kraft said he was "still not giving up hope" the team could work out a new deal to keep the defensive stalwart entrenched in New England.
Wilfork asked for his release earlier this month after the Patriots approached him about adjusting his contract. Under the terms of his previous deal, he was set to make $7.5 million in 2014, with a salary cap charge of $11.6 million stemming from the five-year pact he signed in 2010.
Wilfork turns 33 in November and is coming off a torn Achilles tendon. He wasn't moving as well before the injury, but remains one of the most disruptive tackles in the NFL when healthy. The Patriots still believe he can play, and now both sides have found common ground to move forward together.
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Although the economy is having a tough time, a depressing number of businesses are still surviving. In an effort to help these companies achieve the success of Enron, I offer helpful hints for failing in business, based on actual observations of my own.
I lived for a year outside New York City in 1975-76. There was a lot being written in those days about the demise of the corner mom-and-pop grocery store. So, since there was one just around the corner, I patronized it. Then one day I went in to buy a paper and was told the papers on the counter were for "his regulars." Not long after, I went in to get something and waited ten minutes while the owner chatted with one of "his regulars." I decided "let 'his regulars' keep him in business." After that, I went to the supermarket.
And no, I didn't discuss my concerns with the proprietor. Anyone stupid enough to watch a customer wait while he carries on a personal conversation is too stupid to change and too stupid to be in business.
Not long ago, while traveling in Vermont, my wife tried to buy a few things at a souvenir place. She waited for ten minutes while the proprietor gave directions and generally chatted with someone else. So she put her purchases on the counter and walked out.
"Personal service" is great if you're the one getting the service. But for everyone else, it often means "lousy and inattentive service."
When I first moved to Green Bay in 1976, I used to frequent a hardware store not far from my home. It was a pretty good, well stocked, old fashioned hardware store. And pretty successful - successful enough to expand. But did they expand to include a broader array of hardware? Nope - they went in for kitchen utensils and housewares. The only problem with that plan was that not far away was BuyStuffCo, which had only a little hardware, but lots of housewares. Meanwhile, the hardware store reduced its array of hardware and went to the generic plastic baggies of nuts and bolts. In terms of hardware, it was little better than BuyStuffCo, and in terms of housewares, it was still greatly inferior. After trying and failing to get some needed items there a few times (things they used to carry when they were unsuccessful), I stopped going. Soon after, they went out of business. I didn't miss them a bit.
My hardware needs were well taken care of not long after when UsefulWorld opened. This is a cool store, starkly utilitarian and loaded with stuff. In addition to hardware, they have farm supplies like tractor tires, teat cream and 50-pound salt blocks that your so-called classy stores like Bloomingdale's and Neiman-Marcus never even heard of. Nevertheless, I don't go there as often as I used to.
It was because of paving blocks. I was laying a sidewalk and needed a dozen or so to finish the job. UsefulWorld had been successful enough to expand, but the store was hemmed in by streets and had to put a lot of construction materials across the street in a separate yard. I knew they had lots of bricks - I had seen a large pile out in the yard not long before and this style of brick wasn't selling all that briskly. Nevertheless, the inventory in the store, updated by hand, said there were only a few bricks left, so before writing me up a yard ticket, the clerk called the yard for a quantity check. After waiting ten minutes for an answer, I went to another store where the inventory was updated by computer, where I knew the store had an accurate count, and customers could go directly to the yard to load up. And UsefulWorld is no longer my first choice when buying supplies.
BuyStuffCo and another chain, ThingsLand, were the two main department store chains in Green Bay for a long time. In response to flat sales, both tried different strategies to lure customers. ThingsLand decided to go upscale. They widened the aisles, eliminated most of their stationery and school supplies, automotive needs, and hardware, and emphasized clothes and housewares. I gather they've been fairly successful, just not with me. They're still there and I don't hear any dire tales of their imminent demise. They don't have anything I need or want, so I don't go there much any more.
BuyStuffCo decided to stay low key to the point of getting a bit seedy. Meanwhile, HumungousCo, a huge discount chain, has opened up. BuyStuffCo is really taking a pounding from this evil juggernaut that crushes all competition in its path. Well, maybe.
Since I was over in that part of town, I stopped in to BuyStuffCo to get some new light timers in preparation for a trip. I didn't see any. So I asked a clerk. He said they'd be over in the Christmas section, because that's when they sold most of them. I had never heard of light timers being a seasonal item before; if anything, I'd expect them to sell in the summer when people are on vacation. But the clerk said they only stocked them seasonally.
So I went over to evil, monopolistic, HumungousCo. As part of their diabolical plan to crush weaker competitors, subjugate the proletariat, and achieve global hegemony, they had half a dozen varieties in stock. So when BuyStuffCo goes belly-up, I will not believe it's because HumungousCo stifles competition, but because the competition gave up competing.
HumungousCo is widely accused of destroying local businesses by undercutting prices. I don't shop at HumungousCo because of price. I go there because I can depend on them to have what I am looking for. BuyStuffCo and ThingsLand were dominant in my area for years. They had every opportunity to expand their inventory to equal or surpass HumungousCo, and chose not to. Also, HumungousCo is open when I need things. Before it opened, I can't count the number of times I needed something for the coming week, only to realize that BuyStuffCo and ThingsLand closed at 6 PM on Sunday. Wonder whose bright idea that was?
Update: It seems my Philips screwdrivers have been going to the same alternate reality that missing socks go to, and since I was over by BuyStuffCo, I stopped in to their hardware section. Sets of screwdrivers? Check. Pairs of flat head and Philips screwdrivers? Check. Except I have more flat-head screwdrivers than I can shake a stick at. Guess where I finally found a box of generic Philips screwdrivers sold individually? Now let's not always see the same hands - that's right - evil HumungousCo.
WidgetWorld opens up with every imaginable variety of widgets. They come in every conceivable color and are made of stainless steel, wood, plastic and tofu, among other things. There is a line of checkout counters 800 yards long, all staffed.
The 800 yards of fully staffed checkout counters has shrunk to six open, the rest closed.
Realizing that people only need so many widgets and that market share is no longer increasing, WidgetWorld adds a toy aisle.
The pink and plaid widgets, as well as those made of tofu and belly button lint, are not moving as fast as some of the toys, so they are quietly discontinued. The toy aisle is expanded and a housewares aisle is added. Sales improve but the customers who want pink and plaid widgets, as well as those made of tofu and belly button lint, leave. They are not missed.
WidgetWorld now sells toys, housewares, clothing, shoes, and has a pharmacy and optician. Only the most generic and best selling widgets are now sold. There are still only six open checkouts but the full 800 yards of checkout counters are still there for visual effect. Meanwhile, customers often wonder why more checkouts aren't opened up to handle the lines.
Lines are less of a problem as customers leave for stores with better selection and service. Customers who want widgets don't come here any more because the selection of widgets is no longer better than most other stores, and customers who want other things shop at places closer to home. The suits decide that diversification is the key and reduce the widgets to a single aisle, while adding consumer electronics, cameras, an espresso bar and an acupuncture clinic.
WidgetWorld, now a complete department store with everything imaginable, including even a few widgets packed in bubble packs, continues to spiral into the ground while the managers and stockholders wonder what went wrong. Meanwhile 666-BeastKo, with 1200 yards of checkout counters, five square miles of floor space, an indoor landing strip and its own currency, time zone and passports, opens across town. WidgetWorld goes out of business. Its managers, the local press, and consumer advocates blame the failure on the growth of mega-stores that crush and undercut smaller competitors.
My bottom line is that a business has what I need when I need it. Their bottom line doesn't count. They're in business to serve me, not the other way around, and if they can't or won't serve me, I see no reason to help them stay in business. If you don't satisfy my bottom line, you don't get to have a bottom line yourself.
Can't? Or Won't? Every single store that goes out of business because of a super-chain had a chance to become that kind of store themselves.
Lots of customers prefer wide aisles. They allow more room for maneuvering carts, and present a more open, less claustrophobic appearance.
Me? More aisle space tells me you're stocking less stuff. Every time I go to your store and you don't have what I need is one less reason I have to come back again.
I don't care in the least if you cater to people who want dog collars by Cartier. Just as long as I can get a generic dog collar. So stock a respected if pricy brand of tools, like BuyStuffCo is now doing, if that floats your boat. But if their Philips screwdrivers are $5, and I can get a generic over at HumungousCo for 88 cents, well, I hope you get enough buyers for those screwdrivers to match the six who buy them at HumungousCo.
Sometimes it makes sense to rearrange your floor plan. Maybe your analysis of traffic shows that lots of customers are tramping to opposite ends of the store to get related items that should logically be stocked together.
But whenever I see this going on, I wonder:
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Metal "allergies" are common. I get a lot of customers who say "I can only wear sterling/14k gold/whatever." Usually, they are talking about earrings, because people react far more often to earring metals than other types of jewelry. Apparently this is because there is no air flow inside the hole where an earring post/hook goes. However, there are people who react to things you wouldn't think about, like the back of a watch, or the back of the snap on their jeans.
Allergic contact dermatitis can occur to all sorts of substances, but nickel in costume jewelry is a pretty common one. If you're not sure what you're reacting to, you can have a dermatologist test you to find out what the exact culprits are, but for most people, it's enough to just avoid cheap jewelry, or make sure you know what is in your jewelry. Contact dermatitis can cause symptoms including itching, rash, redness, irritation, blisters and eczema.
The problem is that "surgical steel" comes in several grades and some of them contain nickel, so whether it says "hypoallergenic" or not, you may or may not be safe. Sterling silver, also an alloy, can also contain small amounts of nickel, so unless it says nickel-free silver, if you have severe reactions, avoid it. Even white gold can contain nickel unless labeled "palladium white gold."
Best answer? Niobium and titanium. Both of these are elemental metals (Nb & Ti on the periodic chart). While gold and silver are also elements, both are too soft for most jewelry applications, and definitely too soft for earring posts or wires, so they are mixed with other metals to create an alloy. That's where your nickel sneaks in, especially in cheaper jewelry but sometimes even in more expensive jewelry.
Niobium and titanium are much stronger and they make fantastic hooks and posts. Personally, I didn't realize I had any metal sensitivity at all until I wore niobium and realized how much more comfortable they were for me. Be aware that items marked titanium CAN be an alloy, so you are safer with niobium, which is almost always a pure metal.
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Even better, they both can be anodized in a rainbow of colors. I use niobium in shades of copper and bronze (they contain no acutal copper or bronze) for earrings made of copper; most "copper" ear wires are also cheap alloys.
Here's a little more about my favorite metal, niobium.
- Anodizes in iridescent colors I can't quite capture on film; my supplier even has a rainbow ring where each ring has multiple iridescent colors on it, creating an "oil slick" effect when woven into chainmaille patterns.
- It's commonly used in body jewelry and also in pacemaker parts, since very few people react to it.
- It's nearly as strong as steel but half the weight, so it's very comfortable to wear in an ear or elsewhere.
- Anodized niobium is easy care and doesn't tarnish, although the finish can scratch if you're rough on it.
It's awesome stuff! If you've got severe metal sensitivities please make sure to let me know when ordering jewelry; I do use steel clasps, sterling accents and head pins to hold beads that are made from other metals, but if you react I'll make sure all of it is nonallergenic.
Most of my niobium earrings are made with hooks, and chainmaille designs, so they tend to be dangly. If you're a post kind of girl (or guy), I recommend that you drop by Wear Earrings Again; Maggie has lots of designs, and starter earrings, that are made of high-grade titanium and pure niobium, which she also guarantees.
Finally, I guarantee my work. If you have a reaction to a pair of earrings with niobium hooks I will gladly refund your money. If you have a pair of earrings that I made with surgical steel hooks, I will upgrade them to niobium for you for $3 plus shipping. Just send an email. My plan this year is to shift to all-niobium hooks, so all of my earring customers can experience the comfort and ease of wear and care.


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The shelves have become barren while protests continue at Market Basket.
WEST BRIDGEWATER – The vivid colors that typically make up the rainbows of food in the produce department have been replaced by barren, black shelves at the Market Basket in West Bridgewater.
In the meats section, shades covered half of the refrigerated shelves while workers organized the few remaining items. What is left is mostly red meat. The poultry disappeared days ago, and seafood section has been empty since last Friday.
At the service desk, a phone rings every few minutes with another person on the other end asking the same question as the callers before them, and they get the same answer.
Yes, Market Basket is still open. They are running low on perishable items, but the remainder of the shelves are still fairly well stocked.
The calls, however, aren't necessarily bringing more customers.
In the empty parking lot, a shopping cart could roll a hundred yards without hitting a car.
Inside the store, employees outnumber customers by large margins. At one point on Saturday afternoon, there was a single customer in the supermarket.
"In 20 years with this company, I have never seen it like this," said Dan Harnden, an assistant manager at the store. "Even in a snowstorm, we are more busy."
Deliveries to West Bridgewater, Brockton, Raynham and the company's other 71 stores have stopped since employees at the warehouse and main office stopped working in wake of the ouster of company CEO Arthur T. Demoulas by the Market Basket board of directors.
Market Basket's board removed Demoulas and two other top executives after months of infighting, prompting the employee protests. The board is controlled by Arthur T. Demoulas' rival cousin, Arthur S. Demoulas.
"Each day gets a little worse," Harnden said.
With so few customers to ring out, Harnden said employees have been doing a lot of cleaning while waiting to learn whether other Market Basket owners accept Demoulas' offer to purchase their share of the company.
Outside the store, employees collected signatures for a petition calling for Demoulas' reinstatement. A thick stack of papers containing those signatures has accumulated on the clip board as more and more people add their names.
Along the edge of Route 106, more employees held signs with slogans like "there is no MB without ATD" or "bring back ATD – save Market Basket."
Cars driving past the employees frequently beeped or waved in support.
"The support has been overwhelming," said Harnden, adding that people have brought bottled water, food and coffee to the picketing employees.
Among the employees holding signs was Brian Atkinson, 21, clad in a red "Market Basket strong" T-shirt. Atkinson has worked for Market Basket for 71/2 years, and the company is the only employer he has ever known.
"He just cares, and you don't see that with most CEOs," Atkinson said on Demoulas. "Most of them just see you as a number, not a person."
"Artie is a man of the people," said Harnden, who described Demoulas as a leader who would help ring out customers if a store was busy while he was visiting.
"When you have someone like that, it just makes you want to work that much harder for him," Harnden said.
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After seeing how stylish, tiny, and yet unstackable the Boxee box's design is, the staff had a lively debate about the growing number of boxes sitting underneath our TVs. How many do you have, and how many is too many?
Long ago, we started worrying that the death of the physical movie format would not mean a time of peaceful media-less homogeneity but an infinite format war of subscriptions, separate collections and logins. Today, it's come true.
I've only got an Xbox 360, PS2 (sometimes you just need a little Sly Cooper, nah mean?), and a Roku, but others on staff have all three current-gen consoles, Blu-ray players, HTPCs and all kinds of other things—so where does it stop? How many is too many?


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Lawrenceburg attorney Maire Hellard is looking to take a step up from her status as attorney and trial commissioner in Anderson County to that of family court judge.
Hellard, along with Shelbyville attorney Susan Meschler, is challenging incumbent John David Myles, elected in 2007, for the seat of family court judge in the 53rd Judicial District.
Family Court judge is a non-partisan seat, but with more than two candidates there will be a primary to determine the two who will face off in the General Election.
After two terms on the Shelby County Board of Education, Doug Butler has decided to move on and enter the political ring as a candidate for the District 7 seat on Shelby County Fiscal Court.
Longtime magistrate Mike Whitehouse has decided not to run for re-election, and the seat has garnered a lot of attention with three other candidates also entering the race.
Butler, a Republican who has served eight years on the school board, said this is his first time running for political office. While elected, school board positions are non-partisan.
Gary "Tony" McCurdy says he's tired of Kentucky's lawmakers looking at the small picture and wants to see a more proactive approach.
That led him to run against Ben Chandler in the 6th District U.S. Congress race in 2008.
"There wasn't a Republican running against him, and I knew he could be beaten," he said. "So I decided to run."
Although he lost by 3 percent to Jon Larson in the primary, McCurdy, a conservative Republican, did get the itch to serve.
Although he lost by about 2 percent, McCurdy, a conservative Republican, did get the itch to serve.
Paul Hornback has spent the past four years figuring out how to work around and fix inefficiencies in Frankfort, and he said he believes he's just getting started.
That's why the Republican incumbent has filed for a second term as the state senator for District 20, which includes Shelby, Henry, Carroll and Trimble counties along with a small portion of the east end of Jefferson County.
Linda Armstrong, district judge of the 53rd Judicial District since 1998, announced her resignation Monday morning.
Armstrong withdrew from the judicial race in the 2014 Election just before the filing deadline in January, citing health issues. She said at that time that she didn't know if she would serve the remainder of her term, and in Monday's statement, she reiterated those concerns.
Her last day on the bench will be March 16, and the decision for replacing her would fall to Gov. Steve Beshear after a complicated judicial process.
Longtime District Court Judge Linda Armstrong surprisingly withdrew late Tuesday as a candidate for re-election, and the process she used to declare that has come under scrutiny.
Armstrong, who since 1998 has sat the bench in District 53 Division 1, cited health and personal reasons for deciding to withdraw her name as a candidate in the 2014 election, a decision she said she made on Sunday evening.
But on Monday, during a meeting of the Shelby County bar association, Armstrong made no announcement to area lawyers that she would not run.
With the deadline to file for the 2014 election quickly approaching, only a few new candidates have emerged and a few positions remain unopposed.
The last day to file in most races is Tuesday, but candidates in the non-partisan Shelby County Board of Education, Simpsonville City Commission and Soil and Conservation Board races don't have to file until August.
Incumbent Magistrate Bill Hedges has filed to run for a second term in District 4.
A Republican, Hedges narrowly defeated Democrat John Lewis in 2010, when the two vied for the open seat vacated by retiring longtime Magistrate Cordy Armstrong. There had been several candidates in the primary, too.
The 2014 Kentucky legislative session begins Tuesday, and although 137 bills already have been filed, some familiar story lines figure to be developed during this 60-day session.
In extended, even-numbered years, the longer session always seems to be headlined by the setting of the state budget, but state Sen. Paul Hornback (R-Shelbyville) said he foresees that there also will be time for those old familiars: gambling, health care, educational and state pension reform.
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Astoria got together this past weekend to celebrate the 36th Annual Christopher Columbus Day Parade.
On Saturday, October 12, together with Councilmember Peter Vallone Jr., former Speaker Peter Vallone Sr., Assemblymember Aravella Simotas and other local officials, the procession marched from 34th Avenue down to Astoria Boulevard and 33rd Street.
The Grand Marshal of the parade, which is presented by the Federation of Italian American Organizations of Queens, Inc., was Minister Natalia Quintavalle, Italian Consul General of New York.


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SAN MARTIN, Calif., Oct. 12 (UPI) -- Overnight leader Brooks Koepka registered a 4-under-par 67 Saturday, extending his advantage to two shots after 54 holes of the Frys.com Open.
Koepka finished three rounds at 15-under-par 198 as he seeks his first-ever PGA Tour title.
George McNeill charged into a share of second place at minus-13 with a sterling round of 9-under 62, matching the course record at CordeValle Golf Club.
He ended the day knotted for second with Jason Kokrak, who carded a 3-under 68.
Jimmy Walker also tied the course record with a 62 of his own, finishing the round in a fourth-place tie with Vijay Singh (65) and Robert Garrigus (68) at 12-under 201.


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A Perfect Dose of Pessimism
A negative outlook at times can help you manage anxiety and stay healthy
Listen up Pollyannas of the world: A dose of pessimism may do you good.
Experts say pessimism can at times be beneficial to a person's physical and mental well-being. Some studies have found that having a more negative outlook of the future may result in a longer and healthier life. Pessimism and optimism are opposite ends of a spectrum of personality traits, and people generally fall somewhere in between.