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Help. A little legal advice?
So this question is indirectly Jeep related, but i could use some input. I live in NY state,
I sold one of my cars to fuel my jeep habit. The lady gave me a 700 deposit, and said she would have the rest the next week. I told her I would hold the car until she had it, so the following week, she wrote me a check for the remaining amount and said it would be able to be cashed in 2 days. I gave her the title, she took it, registered it, and then took the car home. The next day she canceled the check. So I am out the rest of the money. She said there was a transmission problem and she wanted to return it. I refused, because the car was for her 16 year old son and he probably beat the crap out of it. It was a 1988 Pontiac Firebird with 71,000 miles. He probably thought it was a fun toy, and destroyed it with his friends. So anyway, I refused, she told me about the problems it had, and I told her it wasn't my issue anymore, and that she had committed check fraud. Her husband told me to go "funk myself" and said they would keep the car for 700 and not give me the rest of the money. The police told me to file a protest at their bank if the cash didn't check, which it didn't. I filed the protest, sent the letter the police told me to send her requesting immediate payment, and i sent it via certified mail and got a return receipt so she couldn't deny getting the letter. Police said to give her 10 days. I called her and told her, but since she's rich, she stood behind her brother in law's advice that there is some sort of 10 day return policy In New York, a car sold as is is not subject to return or lemon laws, and all the paperwork i gave her said "as is". My question is, did she commit check fraud, and am I in good shape with this case? |
And, your Jeep question is: ...
I would chat with the police again......
Though for the kinda cash were talking why on earth would you take a check????? Last time I went private party sale the guy handed me $8500 in $100's I turned around and handed a dealer $10k in $100's for my mini cooper the next day...... Nothing works like cold hard CASH!!! What the lady looked trustworthy..... Hell I wont take a personal check from anyone but my dad...... OH and this is not earth shattering IMPORTANT for a not legal advice forum you are more likely to find sympathy and support than answers......three threads is a bit much Good luck though |
given this situation, i wouldnt even take a personal check from myself now
Not sure about check fraud laws where you live but ....
1. Any payment of any substantial amount you should have requested a cashiers check. 2. When she paid in full with said cashiers check is when she should have been allowed to pick up her car. Hind sight is 20/20 .......good luck I hope it works out for you |
I am not sure of the lemon law in NY either. Go to the Magistrate court and get the paperwork to take them to civil court and let the Judge decide what is legal and get your money for the cancelled check.
1. If you purchase a used car for more than one thousand five hundred dollars, or lease a used car where you and the dealer have agreed that the car's value is more than one thousand five hundred dollars, from anyone selling or leasing three or more used cars a year, you must be given a written warranty. 2. If your used car has 18,000 miles or less, you may be protected by the new car lemon law. 3. (a) If your used car has more than 18,000 miles and up to and including 36,000 miles, a warranty must be provided for at least 90 days or 4,000 miles, whichever comes first. (b) If your used car has more than 36,000 miles but less than 80,000 miles, a warranty must be provided for at least 60 days or 3,000 miles, whichever comes first. (c) If your used car has 80,000 miles or more but no more than 100,000 miles, a warranty must be provided for at least 30 days or 1,000 miles, whichever comes first. Cars with over 100,000 miles are not covered. 4. If your engine, transmission, drive axle, brakes, radiator, steering, alternator, generator, starter, or ignition system (excluding the battery) are defective, the dealer or his agent must repair or, if he so chooses, reimburse you for the reasonable cost of repair. 5. If the same problem cannot be repaired after three or more attempts, you are entitled to return the car and receive a refund of your purchase price or of all payments made under your lease contract, and of sales tax and fees, minus a reasonable allowance for any damage not attributable to normal usage or wear, and, in the case of a lease contract, a cancellation of all further payments you are otherwise required to make under the lease contract. 6. If your car is out of service to repair a problem for a total of fifteen days or more during the warranty period you are entitled to return the car and receive a refund of your purchase price or of all payments made under your lease contract, and of sales tax and fees, minus a reasonable allowance for any damage not attributable to normal usage or wear, and, in the case of a lease contract, a cancellation of all further payments you are otherwise required to make under the lease contract. 7. A dealer may put into the written warranty certain provisions which will prohibit your recovery under certain conditions; however, the dealer may not cause you to waive any rights under this law. 8. A dealer may refuse to refund your purchase price, or the payments made under your lease contract, if the problem does not substantially impair the value of your car, or if the problem is caused by abuse, neglect, or unreasonable modification. 9. If a dealer has established an arbitration procedure, the dealer may refuse to refund your purchase price until you first resort to the procedure. If the dealer does not have an arbitration procedure, you may resort to any remedy provided by law and may be entitled to your attorney's fees if you prevail. 10. As an alternative to the arbitration procedure made available through the dealer you may instead choose to submit your claim to an independent arbitrator, approved by the attorney general. You may have to pay a fee for such an arbitration. Contact your local consumer office or attorney general's office to find out how to arrange for independent arbitration. 11. If any dealer refuses to honor your rights or you are not satisfied by the informal dispute settlement procedure, complain to the New York State Attorney General, Executive Office, Capitol, Albany, N.Y. 12224. 2. A dealer shall have up to thirty days from the date of notice by the consumer that the arbitrator's decision has been accepted to comply with the terms of such decision. Provided, however, that nothing contained in this subdivision shall impose any liability on a dealer where a delay beyond the thirty day period is attributable to a consumer who has requested a particular replacement vehicle or otherwise made compliance impossible within said period. 3. Upon the payment of a prescribed filing fee, a consumer shall have the option of submitting any dispute arising under this section to an alternate arbitration mechanism established pursuant to regulations promulgated hereunder by the attorney general. Upon application of the consumer and payment of the filing fee, the dealer shall submit to such alternate arbitration. Such alternate arbitration shall be conducted by a professional arbitrator or arbitration firm appointed by or under regulations established by the attorney general. Such mechanism shall ensure the personal objectivity of its arbitrators and the right of each party to present its case, to be in attendance during any presentation made by the other party and to rebut or refute such presentation. In all other respects, such alternate arbitration mechanism shall be governed by article seventy-five of the civil practice law and rules. The notice required by paragraph one of this subdivision, entitled Used Car Lemon Law Bill of Rights, shall be provided to arbitrators and consumers who seek arbitration under the subdivision. A dealer shall have thirty days from the date of mailing of a copy of the arbitrator's decision to such a dealer to comply with the terms of such decision. Failure to comply within the thirty day period shall entitle the consumer to recover, in addition to any other recovery to which he may be entitled, a fee of twenty-five dollars for each business day beyond thirty days up to five hundred dollars; provided however, that nothing in this subdivision shall impose any liability on a dealer where a delay beyond the thirty day period is attributable to a consumer who has requested a particular replacement vehicle or otherwise made compliance impossible within said period. 4. In no event shall a consumer who has resorted to an informal dispute settlement procedure be precluded from seeking the rights or remedies available by law. 5. In an action brought to enforce the provisions of this article, the court may award reasonable attorney's fees to a prevailing plaintiff or to a consumer who prevails in any judicial action or proceeding arising out of an arbitration proceeding held pursuant to paragraph three of this subdivision. In the event a prevailing plaintiff is required to retain the services of an attorney to enforce the collection of an award granted pursuant to this section, the court may assess against the dealer reasonable attorney's fees for services rendered to enforce collection of said award. 6. Any action brought pursuant to this article shall be commenced within four years of the date of original delivery of the used motor vehicle to the consumer. g. Notice of consumer rights. At the time of purchase or lease of a used motor vehicle from a dealer in this state, the dealer shall provide to the consumer a notice, printed in not less than eight point bold face type, entitled "Used Car Lemon Law Bill of Rights". The text of such notice shall be identical with the notice required by paragraph one of subdivision f of this section. S 199. Penalties. Any person, firm, or corporation violating the provisions of section one hundred ninety-six of this article shall be liable in an action brought on behalf of the people of the state of New York in the sum of one thousand dollars for each of such violations. |
cliff hanger, After a little more research I found this site http://www.ag.ny.govbureaus/consumer...edcarlemon.pdf
That is your state law on lemons. See page 3 paragraph 6 it states that private sales are not covered by the NY State lemon law. I hope you sink their ship and get the cash they owe ya. |
tim2: thanks a lot man. good info. lemon law does not apply because i do not sell 3 or more used cars a year. I haven't sold a car in 3 years. This makes me feel better. I will pursue her in criminal and civil. I will get my money, and she will get jail time. A lady wrote a bad check on accident here, and still got 15 days.
oh man you are awesome. I knew it. I told her that. I was just looking for some reassurance. I am getting my MBA and i know our state sales laws pretty well.
she's got 10 days or she's getting arrested. She's a stumpy little fat woman, so she'd look just like a pumpkin in the orange jump suit. Thank you so much for your help. I know it wasn't directly jeep related, but a lot of that money was going into my jeep, including the deposit she gave me and wants back. Too bad I already spent it. Thank her for the hi lift jack, herculiner, hard top, full doors, new seatbelts, all new floor and seat hardware, etc. I made good use of the money. Got a hardtop and full doors, speakers, seatbelts for 300 bucks total!
Never give the title until the check clears, also don't even accept checks unless you take them to the bank and they clear it, the last two vehicles I sold I got their info they took the car and I kept the title until all the money went through
Just my advice, and private party cars are sold with no warranty or lemon laws, as is |
One other word of warning too...In some areas if you accept a post-dated check, you have extended credit, and it doesn't matter if the check bounces. You wouldn't be able to pursue bad-check charges, but would still be able to go after them in court.
Too many if's and but's...That's why if I sell anything, it's cash or nothing. |
............................ Cliff - small claims court pure and simple. You have a good case if you can back it up with the paper work I hope you saved. :D Bill of sale, canceled check, paper from bank, police report, etc. I recall it's $40 or so to file. If she doesn't show the judge will be very favorable to you. Sounds like a clean and clear case. She has the car and you do not have the money. But what're you doing not waiting for the check to clear the bank!? Argh! :banghead: |
Ask a legal question on a Jeep board....way off YJ questions. Hire a lawyer. I doubt if anyone who posted is a lawyer with creditable system. Why bother asking when the police told you what to do.
To answer you next question: I just roll up the toilet paper in a loose roll before I use it. How about everyone else. |
as far as i know (which is not much) lemon laws do not apply to private sales, only dealer sales. "as is" is "as is" to a private seller, that is the risk you take when buying a vehicle through a private seller.
Okay, so everyone has pretty much stated up what I'm about to sum up, but I'm going into Consumer law and enjoy things like this. Let me state, I AM NOT A LAWYER AND THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE!
The Situation You sold a car for $700 + rest. The lady agreed upon the price in the condition the car was in. The lady takes the car home after providing you a canceled check and is now refusing to provide you the remainder of the money because she is unhappy with said vehicle. What You Did Wrong This is the obvious. You were right in holding the car until it was paid in full. You were WRONG by giving her the car and accepting a check. When dealing with private sales, CASH only, ever. Never swap the title. I'm sure you realize this now. What She Did This is check fraud under the definition of Non-Sufficient Funds. It is against the law to write a check off an account that does not have the funds available. It is also illegal to cancel a check that was validly written out and cashed by the appropriate recipient. Now from my Google-Research, the civil penalty for this type of check fraud would be the "Face value of check, plus two times amount of check up to $750." So you would be entitled to $Value of check + (2($Value) if < $750.01) Criminal penalties are "Up to three months in jail, or up to $500, or up to double the amount of the drawer's gain from the commission of the offense." Oh But She Hates the Car Thats too bad. It's a private sale, and you're not a professional salesman. Therefore, there is no expectation that what you stated is accurate, and it's almost impossible to even claim that there is false-advertising in a sale. For example, if I tell you I'm selling a Trans Am when really it's a SunFire, you can't buy then sue me because you're missing a few liters of engine. Now what about all those lemons - in plain and simple English, NY LEMON LAW only covers NEW cars and USED cars purchased from dealers that STILL have the OEM warranty. I'm assuming a 1988 vehicle does not. Like I stated, since you are a private seller, you cannot make any factual claims or misrepresent the car in most cases. In the furthest extent, under NY's Magnuson Moss Warranty Act, you're still not liable because there exists no warranty. As well, I cannot find a single thing that states that buyers have ten days to return the vehicle. That sounds like a load of rubbish. So What Do I Do? SMALL CLAIMS COURT! It costs $15/$20 to file a claim - and I'm not positive, but NY may allow you to tack on that cost and your time off from work to the final judgment. If he or she fails to show - then it' a default. NY has a glorious FAQ set up with EVERYTHING you could possibly need to know. A Guide to Small Claims Court Again I am not a lawyer. I'm not your lawyer. This is not legal advice, just some prior knowledge that I've picked up along the way. I don't represent you. But good luck in your endeavors. |
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The purpose of this study is to validate the efficacy of Noxipoint(TM) therapy on chronic pain, and compare it with standard physical therapy using electrical stimulation on patients with chronic pain.
Invented by Dr. Charlie Koo at Stanford University, Noxipoint Therapy is a specific procedure with precise location, duration and intensity of TENS stimulation within the general FDA guidelines. The therapy substantially relieves general muscular/tendon pain and persistently restores the muscle and tendon function. The surface locations of nociceptors at the free nerve ending (i.e., "Noxipoints") are focused on in the stimulation therapy. Multiple clinical uses of Noxipoint Therapy confirmed the consistent efficacy of such stimulation at Noxipoints. An observational study of Noxipoint therapy within the FDA-approved use of TENS demonstrated an encouraging 93% success rate in eliminating the chronic pain, such as frozen shoulder pain, within 2-3 sessions. It is an order-of-magnitude improvement over the non-specific application of TENS and any other modalities in pain treatment. A unique neuro-immuno-signaling pathway that implicates the activation of adult stem cells, such as satellite cells in muscles, is implicated based on such a high success rate.
Condition | Intervention |
Shoulder Pain Neck Pain |
Procedure: Noxipoint Therapy Procedure: Physical Therapy |
Study Type: | Interventional |
Study Design: | Allocation: Randomized Intervention Model: Parallel Assignment Masking: Double Blind (Subject, Outcomes Assessor) Primary Purpose: Treatment |
Official Title: | Noxipoint Therapy vs. Standard Physical Therapy Using Electrical Stimulation for Chronic Pain |
- Brief Pain Inventory (BPI) Severity of the Pain at Its Worst [ Time Frame: One year ]BPI will be evaluated as the score change from the baseline. As a supplemental measure, the baseline of individual patients will also be normalized to 100%, with the change being a percentile of the baseline.
- BPI Severity of the pain in the other three occasions [ Time Frame: One year ]Besides the Severity of the Pain at Its Worst, there are three other pain measures in BPI. This measure will be used as a supporting measure fo the Primary Measure.
- BPI Interference of Function [ Time Frame: One year ]This measure is used to indicate the impact of the subject's quality of life. However, the standard questions include the therapy's functional impact on walking, which is not likely to be influenced by neck/shoulder pains in any case and thus may not be relevant. Thus, a supplemental measure excluding the impact on walking will be provided as a supplemental observation.
- Range of motion [ Time Frame: One year ]This measure will be taken whenever possible.
- Shoulder Pain and Disability Index (SPADI) [ Time Frame: One year ]SPADI will be taken from shoulder pain patients whenever possible. This is optional.
- Neck Disability Index (NDI) [ Time Frame: One year ]NDI will be taken from neck pain patients whenever possible. This is optional.
Enrollment: | 34 |
Study Start Date: | April 2012 |
Study Completion Date: | February 2013 |
Primary Completion Date: | February 2013 (Final data collection date for primary outcome measure) |
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Experimental: Noxipoint Therapy |
Procedure: Noxipoint Therapy
Patients will be treated with a TENS device, following Noxipoint Therapy guidelines:
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Active Comparator: Physical Therapy |
Procedure: Physical Therapy
The 1.5-hour physical therapy in the control arm are provided both as standard of care and sham device comparison to Nocipoint Therapy, following these guidelines:
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Ages Eligible for Study: | 18 Years to 64 Years (Adult) |
Sexes Eligible for Study: | All |
Accepts Healthy Volunteers: | No |
Inclusion Criteria:
- 18-64 years old male or female
- Having chronic pain (ICD-9: 338.21, 338.29) in the neck/upper back (ICD-9: 723.1), or the shoulder (ICD-9: 719.41)
- Pain duration over 6 months, with at least one month of history of other therapy treatments (Physical therapy, steroid injection, acupuncture, analgesic medicine, and/or massage therapy)
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- Traumatic injury from external impact force
- Pain caused by traumatic bone fractures
- History of traumatic cervical injury
- History of osteoporosis
- Pain related to systemic inflammatory conditions including polymyalgia rheumatic, systemic lupus erythematosis
- Signs of psychosomatic illness
- Severe rheumatoid arthritis undergoing active treatment including DMARD biologics
- Steroid injection on pain site within 4 weeks
- Language and/or cognitive inability to complete the assessment questionnaires
- Previous TENS for pain relief
- For safety reasons, patients wearing cardiac pace makers, implanted defibrillator, or pregnant women
Please refer to this study by its ClinicalTrials.gov identifier: NCT01578148
United States, California | |
Pain Cure Center | |
Palo Alto, California, United States, 94306 |
Study Director: | Charles C Koo, PhD | Pain Cure Center |
Principal Investigator: | Charles C Koo, PhD | Pain Cure Center |
Principal Investigator: | David Lewis, MD | Stanford University |
Responsible Party: | Pain Cure Center, California |
ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier: | NCT01578148 History of Changes |
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Study First Received: | April 13, 2012 |
Last Updated: | April 23, 2013 |
Keywords provided by Pain Cure Center, California:
Cervical pain Cervicalgia, Cervicodynia Neck ache |
Neckache Shoulder pain Shoulder impingement syndrome |
Additional relevant MeSH terms:
Shoulder Pain Chronic Pain Neck Pain Arthralgia Joint Diseases |
Musculoskeletal Diseases Pain Neurologic Manifestations Nervous System Diseases Signs and Symptoms |
ClinicalTrials.gov processed this record on March 30, 2017


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I cannot understand why our Democratic leaders are not out having a parade with picket signs saying, "YES WE DID!" save the economy from another Depression, "YES WE DID!"- Healthcare Reform, "YES WE DID!"- Wall Street Reform, "YES WE DID"- Credit Card Reform, "YES WE DID!"- Stem Cell Research Funding, "YES WE DID!'- Diversify the Supreme Court, "YES WE DID!"- End the combat in a horrible, illegal war, "YES WE DID!"- Force BP to accept responsibility for a tragedy and proof of deregulation, "YES WE DID!"-propose small business incentives that are being stonewalled by Republicans, ...and so on and so on! And another sign that reads, "YES WE CAN!" do even more with your support in November. They act as if they have something to apologize for! I don't blame Republicans for that spinelessness. One fault Dems have is trying to please too many damn people! But I love the work they do, so I'll give them a pass. I'll scream, I'll march, I'll tell the story…and I'll VOTE Democrat in November.
I don't know if this country and take anymore of your spend without the money leadrship.
You have to take blame for what shape this country is along with your two leaderless buddies Obama and Reid.
Time to pack it up and get out so we can try and save this country.
The people of change we can't afford anymore spending, bigger government, and no balanced budget. Forgot you still don't have one for next year yet due 10-1-10.
The Democrats would do well to begin this push to retain power with an abundance of highly ecumenical prayer.
Boehner, after making his behind the scene deals that there would be a fillibuster or what ever to try to defeat tax cuts being taken away from the rich, has made the headlines with his hypocrasy and propaganda.
He nor any republican can be trusted to do anything for middle class America as that is not who they represent.
Vinovich, a republican who is not running for re-election is the only one that has had the courage to say he will support tax cuts only for the middle class told the republican party the games must stop.
They have spent 20 months trying every dirty trick in the book to prevent progress, advancement for our country all for the sake of regaining power and winning the next election.
They have sold the American people down the river and will continue to do so.
pelosi, the train is pulling out of the station and we wish you would be on it or maybe under it.


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Does international law work? In what situations is it most effective? In what situations is it least effective?
social economics -
Ms. Sue,
International law isn't very effective because there's not an effective police force to enforce it. An attempt to enforce international law leads to endless wars against rogue states and organizations.
In the past, international law was fairly effective with the Geneva Convention for prisoners of war and the ban on poison gas. However, they have still been used by countries that chose not to abide by these laws.


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Wednesday, March 30, 2011
What's Next - daily painting,beach scene,contemporary painting,debbie miller
6x6 oil on panel By Now I am sure my regular collectors and followers think Ive gone completely mad. I know what they are saying - "Where are those little beach scenes we've come to know and love? Where is the representational work - What are those lines? and my Gosh, what is happening to the skin tones!?" There's no explaining it. It's just happening. The other stuff is not totally gone - if you ask, I'd be happy to paint one for you. Its just that right now THESE are rocking my world. I can't seem to stop
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Love all your different styles especially the new ones. I was recently told I had too many styles, but I think if you are a creative person then you must keep experimenting and evolving. I get so inspired by other artists work and spend hours looking, which helps to give me fresh input and ideas.
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It's a wide-open race for 3-year-old championship honors, and Saturday's 48th running of the Grade 2, $500,000 Jim Dandy at Saratoga Race Course could go a long way in helping clarify the division.
The traditional prep for the Grade 1, $1 million Travers Stakes on August 27, the 1 1/8-mile Jim Dandy drew a field of seven up-and-coming sophomores all looking to make their presence felt as the second half of the season kicks into high gear. The Jim Dandy, named for the horse who upset Triple Crown hero Gallant Fox in the 1930 Travers, has produced 15 winners of the "Mid-Summer Derby," including eight who have completed the double, most recently Street Sense in 2007.
The Jim Dandy, race 10 on Saturday's 11-race card, will be telecast from 5-6 p.m. EDT along with the Grade 1 Diana on VERSUS as the NBC Sports Group's seven straight weekends of "Summer at Saratoga" continues.
Heading the Jim Dandy field is Mike Repole's Stay Thirsty, the Belmont Stakes runner-up who already owns a victory in one of the better-known stakes for 3-year-olds, Aqueduct Racetrack's Grade 3 Gotham. Often overshadowed by his stablemate, Repole's 2010 juvenile champion Uncle Mo, Stay Thirsty could stake his claim to a lengthy stint in the spotlight with a breakthrough performance in the Jim Dandy.
"He's been taking a backseat to Uncle Mo," said trainer Todd Pletcher. "But he can do a lot for himself by stepping up in the Jim Dandy, and the Travers."
With a record of 2-3-0 from eight starts, including a maiden win here last August and a runner-up finish to Boys At Tosconova in 2010's Grade 1 Three Chimneys Hopeful, Stay Thirsty has precisely earned back his purchase price of $500,000 for Repole, who bought him at the Fasig-Tipton sales in February, 2010.
"I thought he justified what we thought of him in the Belmont, although we were disappointed at the end," said Pletcher. "Nonetheless, it was a good effort and he's trained well since then. He's always been a straightforward kind of horse, pretty professional, and physically we've noticed some development even since the Gotham."
Javier Castellano has the mount on Stay Thirsty, the 5-2 favorite on the morning line, from post position 6.
Also returning from the Belmont is Brilliant Speed, who earlier this spring took the Grade 1 Blue Grass at Keeneland over an artificial surface before his third-place finish in the 1 ½ mile "Test of the Champion." Subsequently given a light break, Brilliant Speed returned to the worktab in mid-July and trainer Tom Albertrani is confident he will get another good performance from the Dynaformer colt.
"When I see my horses training as well as he has, I'm confident they're going to run well," said Albertrani, who trains Brilliant Speed for Live Oak Plantation. "He's come back with three works since the Belmont and we're pretty pleased with him. Hopefully, the Jim Dandy will be a steppingstone to the Travers."
John Velazquez, who rode Brilliant Speed during the Gulfstream Park meet, will be back aboard in the Jim Dandy, for which the colt drew post position 3 and was listed at 7-2 on the morning line.
Three Jim Dandy entrants come into the race off graded stakes victories: Stonestreet Stables and George Bolton's Dominus, who won the Grade 2 Dwyer at Belmont Park on July 2, Pin Oak Stable's Alternation, winner of the Grade 2 Peter Pan at Belmont on May 14, and Scotus, winner of the Grade 3 Matt Winn at Churchill Downs on June 18.
Dominus' front-running victory in the Dwyer was his second in four starts, having broken his maiden at Santa Anita on March 24. Second in his debut at Belmont last September, the Smart Strike colt also was second to Machen in the Grade 3 Derby Trial on April 30.
Julien Leparoux rides the Steve Asmussen trainee, 3-1 on the morning line, from post position 2.
Alternation had been under consideration for the Belmont following his head victory over Adios Charlie in the 1 1/8-mile Peter Pan, but his connections opted to give the colt a break and bring him back for the second part of the season.
"We backed off after the Peter Pan and let him relax for a couple of weeks," said trainer Donnie Von Hemel. "We then got back in business and put some in company works and some longer distances just to make sure we had everything ready to go."
Ramon Dominguez, aboard for the Peter Pan, is back on Alternation, 7-2 on the morning line from the outside.
Scotus, who was unraced at 2, has fashioned a 2-1-2 record from five starts this year, most recently coming from just off the pace for a one-length victory in the 1 1/16-mile Matt Winn.
"His last race was a big deal for us," said Ken McPeek, who trains the Successful Appeal colt for Peter Callahan. "He's a horse who's really improving with age. He had a bunch of physical issues we had to get past last year, but he's still got a case to be a good one."
Alan Garcia will ride Scotus, who drew post position 4 and was listed at 8-1 on the morning line.
Completing the field are Will's Wildcat, most recently fourth to Rattlesnake Bridge in the Long Branch at Monmouth Park on July 9, and Moonshine Mullin, making his first start on conventional dirt following his victory in the Victoria Park at Woodbine on June 12.
The field for the Grade 2, $500,000 Jim Dandy:
Moonshine Mullin (KY)
E Wilson
R Baker
Dominus (VA)
J R Leparoux
S M Asmussen
Brilliant Speed (FL)
J R Velazquez
T Albertrani
Scotus (KY)
A Garcia
K G McPeek
Will's Wildcat (KY)
R Albarado
J E Baker
Stay Thirsty (KY)
J Castellano
T A Pletcher
Alternation (KY)
R A Dominguez
D K Von Hemel
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The ability of body tissues to efficiently convert nutrients to energy at the cellular site of this process (mitochondria) is impaired in several conditions of poor metabolic health. These include type 2 diabetes mellitus (T2DM) and pre-diabetes (the condition of increasingly poor control of blood sugar by the pancreatic hormone insulin, but prior to clinically high blood sugar levels). The exact mechanisms that drive this sub-optimal metabolism remain controversial, but the body of literature indicates that reduced numbers of mitochondria along with inefficiencies within each mitochondrion take place. The investigators have proposed that activity of the key enzyme of tissue breakdown of branched-chain amino acids (BCAAs) is limited under these conditions, contributing to poor metabolic control. Provision of diets rich in BCAA, such as dairy, should trigger increased expression and activity of this enzyme (branched chain alpha-ketoacid dehydrogenase, BCKD), supported by historic literature. It is hypothesized that an increase in BCKD by dairy or BCAAs will improve mitochondrial health in fat, muscle and other tissues. The proposal addresses this question using unique analytical and biological tools.
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Posted on 07/14/2010 7:05:39 AM PDT by Jack Black
The October Surprise. We all know it's coming. In what shape, idea, form -- who's to say? Evil always surprises. Its goals are constant, the ultimate objective never changes, but inevitably it manifests itself as the savior of the day, the savior of man. The 2008 Democrat October Surprise that ushered in the first hardcore radical post-American president in American history was the "economic collapse." Oh yes, that was a beaut.
The time before that, the moochers and the looters tried to fake Bush documents -- except that the conservative blogosphere caught them red-handed, so they missed their mark.
But the party of haters, infiltrators, anti-capitalists, the party that is anti-freedom and anti-individual rights, is going to have to pull off something really catastrophic to stay in power this November. And they will, because it is abundantly clear now that they despise the premise of America and they mean to replace it with statism, the source of untold, incomprehensible human misery for centuries.
Ayn Rand wrote of statism that
a statist system -- whether of a communist, fascist, Nazi, socialist or 'welfare' type -- is based on the ... government's unlimited power, which means: on the rule of brute force. ... Under statism, the government is not a policeman, but a legalized criminal that holds the power to use physical force in any manner and for any purpose it pleases against legally disarmed, defenseless victims.
With chilling prescience, Rand said, "The basic principle and the ultimate results of all statist doctrines are the same: dictatorship and destruction. The rest is only a matter of time."
Only a matter of time.
We have a long and terrible fight in front of us. The fight is as big as the idea, the foundation, the being of this great nation, the fight for America. Yes, it's as big as all that, and the enemy is ruthless, unscrupulous, and evil -- and willing to do whatever it takes to assume absolute control. They build nothing, produce nothing, create nothing, invent nothing. They steal. They demand. They demoralize. They are destroyers.
What will October's Surprise be? Political analyst Jack Wheeler has an idea. "A Second Great Depression," he says, "is the Democrat Party's path to power":
Our country is faced with an impending economic catastrophe, a Second Great Depression. It is being brought about on purpose by a political party that cares only for keeping and expanding its power, and looks upon prosperity as a threat to that power.
You think the Democrats aren't really that bad? Think again. Wheeler points out that they're "now being threatened with being thrown out of power." And what did they do when faced with a loss of power the last time? "If that party is evil enough and fascist enough to cause an economic catastrophe," Wheeler says, "it is certainly evil and fascist enough to cause a physical catastrophe, an Ultimate October Surprise, that will frighten and enrage voters enough to preserve its power in November."
Wheeler speculates that this could take the form of "another 9/11, a massively horrific terrorist attack, perhaps even nuclear." Or it could involve Obama's obvious and gross mishandling of the Gulf oil crisis, the full extent of which is (of course) being covered up in the lapdog media. And whom would the Democrats blame for whatever crisis they trump up? Whom else? The attack will be used, Wheeler suggests, "to raise suspicion about the dangerous Tea Party people and anyone who is 'anti-government,' enough for people to rally around their Zero-led government in fear and confusion." And it will ultimately provide "further rationales for emergency government powers."
Could this really happen? Well, we know there have been October Surprises in the past, and each election ups the ante. We have to make sure this doesn't happen. We are Americans. We are free people. We must resist. As one reader of my website, AtlasShrugs.com, wrote to me, "the political tools of truth, exposure, ridicule, disparagement, impeachment, criminal prosecution, and politically-incorrect anger must be added to our arsenal of peaceful weapons against tyranny. ... We must make history by living our freedom, or surely we will die."
And we have seen the Democratic Party decimate our health care system, banking industry, and automobile sector, and introduce sharia (Islamic) finance into the public sector. They are capable of anything.
Yes. And there is some comfort to be found in the fact that decent, rational men, statesmen, exist and speak the truth. They represent our last hope, a vestige of reason and sanity in this era of the modern barbarian. These are the men who need to take the reins of their respective nations. Bolton 2012: The stakes couldn't be higher.
Or maybe he's just a narcissistic dope.
I have stated for months here on FR that a catastrophe will occur before the Nov elections which will prevent the elections. Just what for it takes is the question. Better be prepared.
I have never seen a sitting president show concerns about mid-term elections publically. I bet Obozo's stomach is tied in knots privately.
Oh well. Who is John Galt?
(I'm reading Atlas Shrugged)
Good point. I am trying to remember back whether Clinton's "move to the center" (feigned or real) started before the midterm results came in.
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN
Published on DickMorris.com on July 12, 2010
Seven months ago, the conventional wisdom was that, while the Republicans would score impressive gains in both houses of Congress in the elections of 2010, the Democrats would keep control. Now, it is that the Republicans may, indeed, capture the House, but never the Senate. Presidential press secretary Robert Gibbs admitted that the loss of the House was a possibility.
The conventional wisdom is still wrong. The Republicans will take the Senate and the House.
Here's the Senate rundown:
Retiring Republicans
The GOP has six retiring incumbents. Kentucky and Kansas are no problem. In Missouri, Republican Roy Blunt is ahead and, in Ohio, Republican Ron Portman is slightly ahead. In New Hampshire, the Republicans have a fierce primary, but, trust us, if even Massachusetts went Republican, New Hampshire won't go Democrat. In Florida, Republican Rubio is in a tough race against turncoat former Republican Crist, but he will eventually pull through.
Easy Pickups: Delaware, Indiana, Arkansas, North Dakota
Republicans hold a commanding lead in the three open seats and a double digit lead over Blanche Lincoln in Arkansas.
The Balance of Power States:
Republican Pat Toomey is pulling ahead of Democrat Joe Sestak. Likely GOP pickup.
Both parties have primaries but either Republican beats either Democrat. Another pickup.
Despite a negative pounding, Sharron Angle is still ahead of Reid and Harry is decidedly under 50% of the vote in all polls. Probably Harry loses
Tied race between Republican Mark Kirk and Democrat Giannoulais. Could go either way.
Carly Fiorina is only 3 pts behind Barbara Boxer and Boxer is under 50% and has been all year. Could go either way
Washington State
Republican Dino Rossi is tied with incumbent Patty Murray and Murray is under 50%. Could go either way.
Republican Ron Johnson who is not well known, is very close to Russ Feingold in the polls. Russ is still ahead but Johnson has a very good shot.
So of the seven balance of power states, the Republicans have to pick up six to take the Senate. We probably will. In fact, the trend out there is so strong, the economy so bad, the Afghan War such bad news, the oil spill so awful that we likely win all seven.
Want to help?
Carly Fiorina has enough money on her own. But Sharron Angle (Nevada), Mark Kirk (Illinois), Dino Rossi (Washington State), and Ron Johnson (Wisconsin) need help.
Of this list, two need funds immediately. Angle needs help to counter the ferocious Reid negative ads. Reid has put $1 million behind a lying negative ad which uses a highly edited tape of Angle saying she wants to "phase out Social Security and Medicare." What Sharron really said was that she wanted to phase out the method of funding which permits Harry Reid and co. to raid the fund to pay for their deficit. But, as Churchill said, a lie makes it halfway around the world before the truth gets its shoes on in the morning. Due to responses from previous mailings, the rebuttal now has $150,000 behind it, but we need more. Urgently.
And...Dino Rossi in Washington State is facing Patty Murray in a unique primary on August 20th. In Washington, all candidates run on the same ballot and the top Republican then faces the top Democrat in November. If Rossi, who has a primary, can top Murray, who doesn't, he will show that he can win and will get huge national support. A little money now could put this race on ice.
The Republican Party will win the Senate. We just need to all mobilize and send our checks where and when they will do the most good.
One thing that must be done is to show the liberals that socialism and communism will destroy not only conservatives but it will destroy them also. For some reason, the left doesn't see this. The only ones that win under socialism are the ones at the top of the ladder. Everyone that helped them get to the top will be destroyed along with everyone else.
Can't imagine what sort of october surprise that could save them short of one that cancels the election entirely. Nobody looks to this admin and congress for national security, so a terrorist attack is going to make people want to change even more. An economic crisis like the one that occurred in october 08....well...that only hurts the admin in power.
I have no doubt they will try something, the only thing more dangerous than a leftist seeking power is one trying to retain power.
There is no catastrophe larger than that of this current group of felons in charge that is large enough to prevent the election. Any attempt on their part to do so will be considered an act of war upon the American people for which they will pay dearly. Re-election will be the most minimal worry they will have to deal with.
I don't think Obama cares too much if Dems lose congress. he has already passed more leftist policies than Clinton and Carter combined and appointed two marxist Justices (I assume Kagan gets through). Besides, if Dems lose in Nov, then O and State Media can blame GOP for everything.
That said, I expect O to push to some minor "tax cut" and make a big deal of it. True October event might be hawkisk foreign policy, e.g. attack on Iran.
Buy ammo...
A Second Great Depression," he says, "is the Democrat Party's path to power..."
STFU. Stop The Federal Usurpation. Federal usurpation of individual state rights continues to erode and to limit the ability of state governments to operate according to their own citizen's directives. Since, as the original intent of the Constitution directed, the best government is one which governs closer to the people and Federal Usurpation is the greatest threat we face today, it is time to tell Washington to STFU.
" One thing that must be done is to show the liberals that socialism and communism will destroy not only conservatives but it will destroy them also. For some reason, the left doesnt see this. The only ones that win under socialism are the ones at the top of the ladder. "
The brilliance of the "New World Order" is that the prospect is vague and amorphous enough that even the lowliest 'useful idiot' can - and does - visualize himself ending up 'at the top'...
There are going to be a lot of surprised people in the Gulags.....
What will October's Surprise be? Political analyst Jack Wheeler has an idea. "A Second Great Depression," he says, "is the Democrat Party's path to power"
It is the path to power for the Federal Government...R or D...we need conservatives in power, not Republicans.
There better BE a mid-term this fall, or....
We'll probably win big in November, but we'll lose in the long run because those that win this time will not be allowed to right the ship, and correct the problem...Thus a lot of the support to gain the majority back will errode just in time for the 2012 election giving us another 4 years of Obama...
The worst thing is the very real possibility of another successful (and more devastating) terrorist attack on this country...I hope I am wrong, I want to be wrong, but I find myself feeling I won't be surprised if it happens...
This country will come unglued, and it is going to be hard, if not impossible to get it back together the way it was before the "big one"...
And that is exactly what Obama and his ilk want to have happen...
October's Surprise , Obama bombs Iran .
Well, he'd better come up with something BIG.
And I mean BIG.
Lincoln didn't even cancel elections during the CIVIL WAR.
So BHO better find something bigger than a civil war.
Exactly! Families will turn on families and neighbors against neighbors in an attempt to survive and to keep the socialists at the top off their backs. You will see even socialists and communists turning on each other in even greater numbers in an attempt to protect themselves.
We thought that we saw the me, me, mine generation. We haven't seen anything yet if we allow socialism to take over this country.
Or, "It is far better to die on your feet as a free man than die on your knees as a slave".
Can't remember who said that, but it is becoming more relevant every day.
"There are going to be a lot of surprised people in the Gulags....."
You bet, Obozo, his czars, lots of Dem Congressman and the morons that voted for them.
"we need conservatives in power, not Republicans."
AMEN to that , it's our only hope!
Good example. Scott Brown - a turncoat!
"True October event might be hawkisk foreign policy, e.g. attack on Iran."
It'll be a warm day in Siberia before The One orders any kind of a military strike on Iran. Personally, I think he's put those two carrier battlegroups in place because he thinks that will somehow deter the Israelis.
The much more likely event is that Iran attacks Israel through its proxies in Lebanon and Gaza. As long as that conflict stays contained to those border areas nobody in the Administration will lift a finger to help. And if it spreads...well, that's gotta be Bush's fault.
"So BHO better find something bigger than a civil war."
There are things worse than civil wars. We have just been blessed by God not to see them in this country yet.
If there is another 8/11 type attack on us, Obama and his administration will get full blame for it no matter what the media tries to say.
Unfortunately, Kirk is a BIG TIME RINO and appears to be a congenital liar, but still better than Giannoulais.
That might only help him with some Jews. Not the rest. And even then it may be too little too late.
"Good example. Scott Brown - a turncoat!"
He tells us he will sometimes vote with the other side. Well, that's like telling someone that you will only break their fingers once in a while, but maybe, you will have to split their skull.
This isn't going to end well for America, the further out of control the Dims get, the further out of control the Pubbies get...they just look less crazy by comparison.
Of course this is true, but if the morons were capable of comprehending this, they wouldn't be Leftists in the first place.
"For some reason, the left doesnt see this."
Most of the Left doesn't see this--the morons who make up the rank and file of the Left. The Leftist leaders--mostly sociopaths and other assorted undesirables--understand it very well.
"The only ones that win under socialism are the ones at the top of the ladder. Everyone that helped them get to the top will be destroyed along with everyone else."
You betcha!
Remember Boxer the horse in George Orwell's Animal Farm--sent off to the glue factory!
When the Leftist leaders succeed with their agenda, the morons who handed them their successes won't be able to tell the pigs from the humans--and they'll be much worse off.
When you think about all the morons out there and how dangerous they are, you can get really scared.
A Fool is more dangerous than a Scoundrel. There are more of them. They are the Soundrels' enablers; without Fools the Scoundrels would never become powerful. And it's possible to appeal to a Soundrel's self interest.
The Left is mostly Fools. Scoundrels are the leaders of the Left.
Oops. Typo. Should be 9/11.
Barry ain't no Lincoln. Consequences mean nothing to him. He wouldn't worry about needing a civil war, he might try it just because he gets an abusive email.
But consider this: how do the Feds have the ability to cancel elections, which are managed by the states? What are they going to do, refuse to seat the newly elected Congress in January? I wish 'em rotsa ruck with that. (Well, actually not, but I wish they would try. They wouldn't dare.)
Scott Brown is not a turncoat; not in my mind, anyway.
Anyone around here knew he'd be a "squishy" Republican, just the same as Collins and Snowe. From his part of the country, he has NO choice. There is something in the water supply of MA that makes it so. We supported him because he wasn't Martha Coakley, not because we thought we were getting Jim DeMint. As it is, he is battling to hold on to his seat. Those screwballs up there are running ads, raising money to turn him out of office.
I figure he'll be a reliable vote for us about 1/3 of the time. And from MA, I'll take it. Otherwise, we'll end up with someone opposing us ONE HUNDRED percent of the time, every time.
I'm pragmatic.
Great quote from your bio:
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."
- Marcus Tullius Cicero
January 3, 106 BC December 7, 43 BC
Thanks. Very appropriate for this thread.
There was a thread that noted the Dems are attempting to take over all the States' Attorneys General positions - which is where election power resides.
Clever and diabolical!!!
Rush's theory is that Obama (and his media) know things are going to get worse, will get all he can through congress before January, 2011, then blame all the trouble in the next two years on the new Republican congress.
"Barry ain't no Lincoln."
Barry will split us down the middle, precipitate a civil war and sure as shite...he is happy to suspend the Constitution and command States to suspend their right of self determination and freedom to pass laws and govern according to their own laws, right or wrong. And he will do it in the name of preserving the right of all persons to "share the wealth" whether they have earned it or not.
the BC mysteriously appears in Matt Drudge's mailbox and Hillary announces her 2012 campaign committee
The feds have NO ability to cancel elections.
I suspect even the dim bulb BHO knows this.
The SCOTUS will end up administering the oath to those red state peeps so they can take their seats.
That's why I find the FReeper threads about cancelling the elections so laughable.
No president, not even the idiot in chief, can get away with it.
Obama must bomb Iran after orchestrating a terrorist attack on our country to save the elections.
ping to #7
Yeah but at that rate we will pragmatize our country right out of existence.
I kmow that something will happen. What it will be, I don't know. It could be amything from an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities on down. I understant that obama and the nut job are "friends", but, if getting rid of the nut job's nuclear facilities means obama holding on to his power, the nut job's nuclear facilities have to go. After the election, obama will help him rebuild with our latest techonology.
Have some faith, kiddo.
Kennedy made a point of saying he intends to stay beyond BHO's term
That is a shot over the bow, and notice that the SCOTUS has had about enough of him.
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ATLANTA — A 60-year-old Idaho man has been charged with simple assault for allegedly slapping an infant aboard an Atlanta-bound flight.
In an affidavit filed in U.S. District Court, FBI special agent Daron Cheney says Joe Rickey Hundley, of Hayden Idaho, slapped the 2-year-old boy during a Delta Air Lines flight from Minneapolis on Feb. 8.
The child's mother, 33-year-old Jessica Bennett, of Minneapolis, told authorities the boy was crying as the plane prepared for landing. Bennett says Hundley was sitting next to her and slapped the boy in his face, causing a scratch under his right eye. She says Hundley used a racial epithet while demanding her to quiet the boy.
Hundley "told her to shut that ('N word') baby up," Cheney said in the affidavit. "Ms. Bennett received assistance from several people on the plane, including male passenger Todd Wooten." Cheney said.
Wooten was seated rows in front of Bennett and said he came to help after he heard derogatory language being used behind him, according to court documents. Bennett said the infant began crying louder after he was slapped.
District attorneys officials say Hundley was not taken into custody and it is unclear when the case will go to court.
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Somerton's Cecilia Fernandes recently became the 12th member of her family to graduate from La Salle University.
Fernandes earned a degree in accounting. Her parents, Joseph and Rita, are among the La Salle graduates in her family.
"La Salle truly is a special place," she said.
Fernandes said members of her family had received scholarships from other colleges, but they chose to attend La Salle because of the education their relatives received.
"I think my other family members were happy when they found out that I decided to attend La Salle," she said. "College is a big part of someone's life, so I think they felt like I would receive a great education at La Salle, as well as having a great college experience. My dad was very happy when I decided to go to La Salle."
Fernandes, who participated on a weeklong Habitat for Humanity service trip to Birmingham, Alabama following graduation, will start working in August as a tax associate for Drucker & Scaccetti in Center City.
"I knew when I was looking at colleges that I wanted to be an accounting major, so I was immediately impressed with all the La Salle School of Business had to offer, but I would say the main reason I chose La Salle was because of the sense of belonging I felt when I visited campus," she said.
"The first time I stepped on campus I was struck by its beauty, its peacefulness and its friendliness. Everyone I came in contact with that day made me feel like I belonged in the La Salle community. I never got this feeling at any other school I visited, so I knew La Salle was the school for me. For the past three years, I was able to share my La Salle experience with prospective students by working as a student tour guide in the undergraduate admissions office."
Fernandes' roots at La Salle stretch back to 1955, when her great-uncle John Saponara Sr. graduated with a degree in education. His son John Jr. graduated in 1983 and was a Fulbright Scholar.
Another family member who graduated from La Salle is Sister Mary Saponara, MSC, a Missionary Sister of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, who has been in a ministry in Mexico City at a poor parish for almost 22 years. Sister Mary received a joint master's of theology from La Salle and the Lutheran Seminary of Philadelphia. She is Cecilia Fernandes' godmother and aunt.
ldquo;I am so proud of Cecilia and so happy that she is the 12th in our family to graduate from La Salle," said Sister Mary. "Her degree has given her a unique opportunity to integrate religion and life and a wonderful professional education she has earned at this fine university."
Other La Salle graduates over the years have been Cecilia's cousin John Manzo, aunts Joanne Saponara Tyer and Jeannie Galassi Saponara, and uncles Paul Tyer, Michael Saponara and Nicholas Saponara. ••
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It's off to the Stanley Cup Finals for the Hawks...
I really thought the Sharks were going to make a go of it…but they ultimately fell short and the Chicago Blackhawks took out the broom and swept their series.
It's off to the Stanley Cup Finals for the Hawks!
Now we get to see if the Flyers will finish the Habs to join them.
A bitch would call that series for the Flyers…but if any team can pull a miracle run it's the Habs.
Can't wait, can't wait...CAN'T WAIT!
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Greast game, but poor Duncan Keith... typical playoff hockey. Gets hit square in the mouth with a puck, spits out his mouthguard along with 7 teeth, and misses about six minutes before he's back on the ice. Logs over 30 minutes of ice time for the game.
7 teeth shattered? No problem boys - I'll see the dentist after. Just give me a minute.... - 9:42 AM
- CeCe Savage said...
I was so excited about the Blackhawks winning!!!
I went to the White Sox game yesterday and they lost 13-0, so the Blackhawks going to the Stanley Cup Finals made me feel a bit better. - 5:57 PM
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The Black Hawks haven't won the Cup in 49 years. Gooooo Black Hawks!
Unless the Habs somehow manage to win their series. In which case, Gooooo Habs. - 6:26 PM
I've been following the Blues for 35+ years and would rather see the Hawks win a cup than have another hoisted by the most overrated Blues defenseman of all time.


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WASHINGTON — Congress may consider cutting the almost $1.3 billion in annual aid to Pakistan if it turns out the Islamabad government knew where Osama bin Laden was hiding, the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee said today.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said she wants more details from CIA Director Leon Panetta and others about the Pakistani government's role. Feinstein spoke to reporters about the raid that killed bin Laden early Monday and the questions raised by his hiding place deep inside Pakistan.
The No. 2 House Democratic leader, Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, said if Pakistan doesn't ease doubts about its dedication to fighting terrorists, Congress should explore whether it makes sense to reduce U.S. aid to that country.
"I don't know whether it would be effective or counterproductive, we'll have to look at that," he told reporters, adding, "It needs to be looked into."
Incredulous lawmakers are pressing Pakistan for answers to two simple questions: What did its army and intelligence agents know of bin Laden's whereabouts and when did they know it?
The al-Qaida terrorist leader behind the Sept. 11 attacks lived and died in a massive, fortified compound built in 2005 and located on the outskirts of Abbottabad, miles from the capital of Islamabad. It stood just a half-mile from the Kakul Military Academy, Pakistan's equivalent of West Point, and close to various army regiments.
Amid the high praise for the successful U.S. military operation, congressional Republicans and Democrats questioned whether bin Laden was hiding in plain sight, with Pakistani military and intelligence operatives either totally unaware of his location or willfully ignoring his presence to protect him.
"I think this tells us once again that, unfortunately, Pakistan at times is playing a double game," said Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, a Senate Armed Services Committee member who indicated that Congress could put limits on funds for Pakistan.
But another GOP member of the panel dismissed that idea.
"For those who want to cut off aid to Pakistan, I understand your frustration," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. "But at the end of the day, if you want to create a failed state in Pakistan, one of the best things to do is sever relationships. It is not in our national security interest to let this one event destroy what is a difficult partnership but a partnership nonetheless."
The Obama administration pushed back on talk of punishing Pakistan.
White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters Tuesday that the U.S. is committed to cooperating with Pakistan despite questions about who in the Islamabad government may have known that bin Laden was in hiding in his compound in Abbottabad.
"We don't know who if anybody in the government was aware that bin Laden or a high-value target was living in the compound. It's logical to assume he had a supporting network. What constituted that network remains to be seen," Carney said. "It's a big country and a big government and we have to be very focused and careful about how we do this because it is an important relationship."
State Department spokesman Mark Toner said the U.S. aid "is in both Pakistan's long-term interests as well as the United States' national interests and security interests."
Bin Laden's death and questions about Pakistan's eagerness in the fight against terrorism come as the tenuous U.S.-Pakistan relationship seems even more fragile. In recent weeks, CIA contractor Raymond Davis' killing of two Pakistanis and stepped-up drone attacks have further strained ties between the two countries.
Different factions within Pakistan itself complicate its role as a U.S. ally. What state officials and those in the military may have known about bin Laden could be quite different from what tribes and even families in the region knew or, more to the point, were willing to say about the Abbottabad compound and its occupants.
A frustrated Pakistan called the U.S. raid to get bin Laden an "unauthorized unilateral action" that "cannot be taken as a rule."
Early last month, CIA Director Leon Panetta met with Pakistan's intelligence chief, Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, a meeting Washington officials saw as make or break. The Obama administration said it was negotiating a possible reduction in U.S. intelligence operatives and special operations officers in Pakistan as they sought to ease Pakistani concerns about spy activity.
Prior to the raid on the compound, U.S. officials say, they didn't inform Pakistan of its plans. Unaware and unnerved Pakistanis scrambled their aircraft in the wake of the U.S. military intervention.
Publicly, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton thanked Pakistan for its cooperation and said the country "has contributed greatly to our efforts to dismantle al-Qaida." She said that "in fact, cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden and the compound in which he was hiding."
John Brennan, White House counterterrorism adviser, said the administration was looking at whether bin Laden had a support system in Pakistan that allowed him to remain in the country.
"We know that the people at the compound there were working on his behalf, and that's how we ultimately found our way to that compound," Brennan told reporters at the White House. "We are talking with the Pakistanis on a regular basis now, and we're going to pursue all leads to find out exactly what type of support system and benefactors that bin Laden might have had."
Interviewed Tuesday morning on NBC's "Today" show, Brennan said that "clearly there was some kind of support network that provided him assistance."
"Whether or not those were individuals inside the Pakistani government is unknown at this point," he said. Brennan called Pakistan "a strong counterterrorism partner" and said there have been more terrorists arrested and killed there in recent years than in any other country. He said "brave Pakistanis have given their lives" in the effort.
Based on the location of the compound and its proximity to army regiments, Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., said Pakistan's intelligence and army has "got a lot of explaining to do."
He cited the size of the compound compared with surrounding buildings and the fact that residents took the unusual step of burning all their garbage and avoiding any collection.
"It's hard to imagine that the military or police did not have any ideas what was going on inside of that," Levin told reporters Monday in a conference call.
Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, sent a letter to Clinton seeking details on the level of cooperation from Pakistan, saying the fact that bin Laden lived in comfortable surroundings near Islamabad "calls into question whether or not the Pakistanis had knowledge that he was there and did not share that knowledge."
In an essay published Tuesday by The Washington Post, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari denied suggestions his country's security forces may have sheltered bin Laden, and said their cooperation with the United States helped pinpoint his location.
Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry, D-Mass., who has traveled extensively to Pakistan and even worked as an intermediary to get Davis released, said candid conversations with the Pakistanis were necessary.
However, Kerry said it would be a mistake to forget "we've had people on the ground tracking this. There's some degree of assistance and cooperation of the Pakistanis."
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"Downton Abbey" executive producer Gareth Neame and five of the show's stars — Sophie McShera, Phyllis Logan, Laura Carmichael, Joanne Froggatt and Michelle Dockery — did a panel for the show at the 2013 TCA press tour, where they gave us some scoop about the upcoming season.
"It feels more in the '20s than before. … Edith goes to London a lot
and we see the streets of London and Lily James' character Rose is
another sort of bright young thing character who's having a lot of fun
at Downton," says Carmichael. "In amongst the mourning there are these sort of escapes for a
couple of the characters. … It will feel in a different era."
"We're going to increasingly see that this world [of large, wealthy estates] is coming to an end," adds Neame. "All of the characters are coming into the modern age. It is the story of
these 20-25 characters that are much loved around the world and how they
continue to try to get by."
In moving forward, the house will continue to have the intrigues that fans have come to love and expect, including Thomas keeping up his nefarious ways.
"It's going to be a complex world with [Thomas] going forward," says Neame. "[With O'Brien leaving] there's going to be a bit of a shakeup with what happens to his story. But he's always going to have that core thing of wanting to be in control, wanting to find out what's going on, wanting to dictate things, that rivalry with Carson. … He remains a very compelling character."
As far as the show going forward, the stars and EP say that they hope to make the show for as long as people want to watch
"I'm now eying the fifth season and what those stories potentially would be," says Neame. "I think the show has a lot further to go. We're not going to World War II, but that's still 18 years away in story terms. We want to make it and we want to make the show people around the world love. … When we feel it's had its time, hopefully we'll know that before you guys do."
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by Eldariel on 2009-09-01 02:38 CET
It's funny how even with a deck consisting almost purely of Knights, Kinsbaile Cavalier isn't good enough to play. What a crook of a Lord. by Ryk on 2009-09-01 02:39 CET Good JOB andreeeeeeeeeee
by andre2008 on 2009-09-01 03:00 CET Eldariel, I´ve Tried to put Kinsbaile Cavalier, but Liege is better, because Kisbaile is killed easier (fallout, Firespout etc), and sometimes when the Cruel Ultimatum is about to be played, just keep Liege in my hand. And Liege pumps everybody (figure, tokens etc...)but Thanks to advice. :)
by Psycho_sexy on 2009-09-01 03:30 CET Vamoo emaaaaaaaaaa
by DKsjc on 2009-09-01 04:18 CET õ_Ô
by Mitchmachine on 2009-09-01 05:25 CET at least i lost to the finnalist (: by mr_thompsom on 2009-09-01 05:34 CET kpo,si sabes q te van a postear el deck, no hagas los papelones esos porq se pudre:
by XMechaShivaX on 2009-09-01 06:30 CET Great Job with the Knights. WW still strong by Joyfit on 2009-09-01 10:32 CET hm... elves pwned my ww( by Kytep on 2009-09-01 16:42 CET by Joyfit on 2009-09-01 03:32 CDT
by SchwipSchwap on 2009-09-01 17:28 CET Well done leonin5 for finishing 4-1 with Weird Doran :o)! by andre2008 on 2009-09-01 18:35 CET Yes Kytep, you're right about SB, Ethersworn Canonists and Armored Ascension.
by Ethren on 2009-09-01 19:05 CET Armored Ascension vs elves? xD by on 2009-09-01 20:04 CET Kinsbaile Cavalier into that first deck = OMG? by Lynolf on 2009-09-01 20:06 CET Reading is tech? by ovmlcabrera on 2009-09-01 20:28 CET heeeeeeeeee ema aca no tenes que comprar las cartas ,son gratis, podias poner muta y sacar el liege!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Conkisstador on 2009-09-01 20:50 CET actually kinsbaile cavalier is COMPLETELY good enough. he drops and is immediately a threat. with just harm's way to back him up you can make short work of an opponent and also DOMINATE creature matchups. by Capoeira02 on 2009-09-01 20:51 CET Congratz andre2008 !!! by Eldariel on 2009-09-01 21:50 CET Conki: How often can you drop it and keep Harm's Way mana open while maintaining enough of an advantage to do something relevant though? Wilt-Leaf seems so much better due to the bigger arse. by sandoiche on 2009-09-02 00:25 CET also wilt leaf liege pumps every other creature, not only your Knights :P
by laemcasa on 2009-09-02 17:47 CET i just cant understand the 21 lands, but if its working...
by andre2008 on 2009-09-02 19:45 CET Roger (laemcasa), less lands more spells.:D
by laemcasa on 2009-09-02 23:04 CET i know that, but for me is impossible to play with 21 lands, that just works for you =P by andre2008 on 2009-09-02 23:37 CET huauahuauahuhauhauh
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