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With the detection and interception of a fifth mail bomb intended for another target in Scotland, the time for turning the other way when it comes to the issue of anti-Irish racism has surely passed. The position of attributing equal blame to Irish Catholics and those who view their very existence as an insult and threat to some Protestant Ruritania is no longer sustainable. The truth is there exists in Scotland both an active and passive strain of anti-Irish racism that up to now has been brushed under the carpet by all sections of society from the political establishment to the police to the Scottish Football Association and sadly even to the trade union movement and the left.If it were high profile Muslims, Jews, blacks, or if it were asylum seekers who were the targets of these mail bombs, we would already be out on the streets with the placards demanding action – and rightly so. Yet when the targets are high profile Irish Catholics a deafening silence reigns, except in the conspicuous case of George Galloway. Equivocation has long been the currency of the establishment in Scotland when it comes to religious sectarianism and anti-Irish racism, where hiding behind the fear of alienating its adherents the mantra has traditionally been one of uniting the working class around economic and bread and butter issues instead of confronting and tackling racism.The danger of course is that in failing to tackle it politically the door is opened to a more extreme response on the part of those who feel targeted and threatened. When people focus their ire on Neil Lennon for daring to cup his hands to his ears at Ibrox at the weekend in a gesture of defiance after an attempt was made on his life and after enduring years of racist abuse and attack; when the blame for anti-Irish Catholic bigotry and racism in Scotland is levelled at the existence of Catholic schools, an institution that began life to minister to the needs and isolation of Irish immigrants at the beginning of the 19th century, then we're looking at a clear cut case of blame the victim.The intended target of this latest mail bomb was the Glasgow-based Irish republican organisation, Cairde Na H'Eireann, or Friends of Ireland. This is a political organisation, affiliated to Sinn Fein and committed to the peace process, which supports the objective of a united Ireland and represents the rights of the Irish community in Scotland. Here again we see evidence of uppity Irishmen and women, who have the temerity to celebrate their culture through either a football team or political organisation, being singled out for attack and intimidation.It has always been the view of supporters of Scottish independence that it would constitute a progressive advance on the union, given that in Scotland there exists an inbuilt left of centre majority. Indeed, the SNP in power have reflected this left of centre bent in many though not all of their flagship policies. But in Scotland in the 21st century the prevalence of anti-Irish racism remains the truth that dare not speak its name, rendering the words progressive and Scotland antithetical rather than complementary.It's because of this that there now needs to be a concerted effort on the part of the political establishment to tackle the issue without fear or favour. But in order to do so effectively there has to be an honest acknowledgement that the problem lies in a poisonous culture of racism and religious intolerance that has long existed against Catholics in Scotland who trace their roots and cultural heritage to Ireland.Anything less is political cowardice.
156 comments on "Anti Irish Racism: the Truth That Dare Not Speak Its Name"
I cannot say I really care enough to bother.
I hear it's quite acceptable at dinner parties to racially abuse the English or Englishness, indeed there have been instances of it recently on this blog which have gone unchallenged.
Very good article. I think the point about viewing the presence of irish catholics in Scotland as being an insult and threat to some protestant ruritania particularly well made. I think the issue also should be looked at in a UK wide context as anti catholic discrimination is still enshrined in law most notably the Act of Settlement 1701. I also understand that the offices of prime minister and lord chancellor are barred to catholics. Although sectarianism is more virulent in the West of Scotland sectarianism is below the surface in England.
Fair play to you John. No doubt we will have the wilfully indifferent, the what about the Englishers and the apologists for Loyalist bigotry posting away on this one.
Before we go down that path let me say I see the current campaign of letter bombing as a sort of Loyalist Ghost Dance. It has no place in the country Scotland is becoming, it will not terrorise the Catholics of Scotland and it will bring down the force of a reluctant state on those responsible. As such I think it marks the begining of the end for Loyalism in Scotland.
David Mullen
The Act of Settlement bars Catholics from the throne and from marrying the monarch. I'm not sure it has much practical impact on day to day life and I'm not sure that it's sectarian to say that a Catholic can't be head of the Church of England.
There is no bar against a Catholic being PM or Lord Chancellor, though it is a widely held belief.
Any anti Catholic/ anti Irish prejudice in England and Wales is of a different order of magnitude to that in Scotland. It's unthinkable that a manager or prominent supporters of a football club in England would receive letter bombs.
Technically it's not Anti Irish racism or even Anti Northern Ireland Racism its bigotry towards Catholics in Northern Ireland.
1979 Scottish UVF bombed three pubs in Glasgow where Republicans drank. Over 70 arrests very shortly after as the lumpens grassed each other up.
This is the work of one lone individual or brit state dirty tricks. The fireworks derived devices are unviable.
Saor Alba a nis.
"6.Technically it's not Anti Irish racism or even Anti Northern Ireland Racism its bigotry towards Catholics in Northern Ireland."
It is covered by the Race Relations Act as was intended by those who brought forward that legislation but of course its also bigotry.
George Galloway the champion of British nationalism and Defender of the Union is simply the best Scottish/British politician that money can buy. Vote George Galloway hes simply the best all you down trodden, oppressed wee tims in Scotland.
Anyone interested in the history of anti Irish Catholic racism in Scotland could learn a lot from looking at the origins of the SNP.
There is undoubtably soem truth in what is said here.
But the Independent Labour Party in Glasgow grew precisely *against* the sectarian grain.
True it tended to compromise on the issue of Catholic schools.
But there was also the Socialist Sunday School Movement (my father went to it).
And his father was from a Geordie Protestant background, and my gran from an Irish Catholic one.
SNP going to win in May. Scumbag Brit that claims hes from the Garngad tal.
Quite right. No platform for Scottish Protestants! Or English protestant! Or anyone, for that matter, but the handful of liberal millionaires that usually show up onstage at left meetings.
I've said this before, but it's worth repeating. Where's your evidence that this is more than a crime? Where's your evidence for a widespread pattern of bigotry against catholics? We all know about the Rangers/Celtic thing, but why do you think that the findings of the most recent academic study http://tinyurl.com/66dc4p8 are invalid?
Have you read the study? I suspect not, since you haven't mentioned it. But if you haven't read the study, you're just indulging in ill-informed rhetoric based on hearsay – arguably anti-protestant bigotry?
Whether the post of PM is barred to Catholics or not, I hardly think it's a co-incidence that Tony Blair chose to announce his formal conversion almost immediately after he stepped down from the job, when it was obvious that he was of the faith by then in all but name.
As for whether the problem in Scotland is mainly kept alive by the interaction with N Ireland this is complicated, partly because there is much in common between the dominant form of Protestantism in both.
Eammon Wright's attitude is amusing- GG is hated by some for being associated with Scottish Catholics and republicanism and by others for being a unionist.
So Eammon, what's the correct message to the Queen- tell her she's not welcome and call her a war criminal, or swear an oath of allegiance?
Although in fairness I suspect that the full SNP programme is hardly that popular with Unionists.
Work it out Vanya, we have evolved a nuanced sophistication when needed unlike the joke that is the Brit left.
This is so fucking easy.
Garngad tim shall we have an indepth look at trades unionism in Scotland and its history of anti-Irish racism. Where do yo want to start, lumpen brit sellick corner boy from the garngad, the Miners Fedreration in Lanarkshire, Stirlingshire, Fife?
Come and have a go if you think you are hard enough Scottish traitor – brit scumbag.
I wish I had even the first clue what eammon was on about. Could anyone translate?
But bombs sent by Irish people to English people in the last 40 years are perfectly OK.
Remind me again – when Sinn Fein/IRA were bombing "the mainland", how many of those bombs went off in Scotland or Wales?
The responses on this topic show it's obviously a bit of a hornet's nest. They perhaps also give some idea why many Scots from an Irish Catholic background have long had concerns that Scottish independence would result in a Stormont in Edinburgh.
#18 That'll be the nuanced sophistication he mentioned
Forgot to say – your 'No Irish Need Apply' poster.
Apparently it's a liberal myth, though a politically useful one.
"Irish Catholics in America have a vibrant memory of humiliating job discrimination, which featured omnipresent signs proclaiming "Help Wanted–No Irish Need Apply!" No one has ever seen one of these NINA signs because they were extremely rare or nonexistent. The market for female household workers occasionally specified religion or nationality. Newspaper ads for women sometimes did include NINA, but Irish women nevertheless dominated the market for domestics because they provided a reliable supply of an essential service. Newspaper ads for men with NINA were exceedingly rare. The slogan was commonplace in upper class London by 1820; in 1862 in London there was a song, "No Irish Need Apply," purportedly by a maid looking for work. The song reached America and was modified to depict a man recently arrived in America who sees a NINA ad and confronts and beats up the culprit. The song was an immediate hit, and is the source of the myth. Evidence from the job market shows no significant discrimination against the Irish–on the contrary, employers eagerly sought them out. Some Americans feared the Irish because of their religion, their use of violence, and their threat to democratic elections. By the Civil War these fears had subsided and there were no efforts to exclude Irish immigrants. The Irish worked in gangs in job sites they could control by force. The NINA slogan told them they had to stick together against the Protestant Enemy, in terms of jobs and politics. The NINA myth justified physical assaults, and persisted because it aided ethnic solidarity. After 1940 the solidarity faded away, yet NINA remained as a powerful memory."
Does an isolated example of the use of the ineffective, cowardly and desperate tactic of parcel-bombing really show that anti-catholic bigotry is regaining strength? Maybe it actually shows how weak such a trend is, the use of these tactics can only have created revulsion against those that advocate and defend such bigotry, among all working class communities.
The OP is right to raise this as a potential threat that the working class movement must be aware of and deal with, having a clear position against sectarianism and in favour of working class unity would help us deal clearly and decisively with tactics that are aimed to divide people on religious or ethnic grounds.
Jump across the border and tell a geordie,yer wan oh us.
"Perhaps they will see that the landlord who grinds his peasants on a Connemara estate, and the landlord who rack-rents them in a Cowgate slum, are brethren in fact and deed. Perhaps they will realise that the Irish worker who starves in an Irish cabin and the Scots worker who is poisoned in an Edinburgh garret are brothers with one hope and destiny." (C.D. Greaves, James Connolly, p. 61.)
'22.Does an isolated example of the use of the ineffective, cowardly and desperate tactic of parcel-bombing really show that anti-catholic bigotry is regaining strength?'
No. But it didn't come out of a blue sky (as it were).
There have been concerns expressed for a few years now. But no one was listening.
#20 Eamonn Wright is about as sophisticated as a fart in the bath.
Anonymous at 19 said: "The responses on this topic show it's obviously a bit of a hornet's nest. They perhaps also give some idea why many Scots from an Irish Catholic background have long had concerns that Scottish independence would result in a Stormont in Edinburgh."
What evidence is there to suggest that an Independent Scotland would be comparable to Stormont? (By Stormont I take it your mean pre the current peace process rather than the current assembly?)
Do you mean structural discrimination in housing allocation?
Discrimination in getting jobs?
Discrimination resulting in Gerrymandered boundaries in elections?The current threats to supporters and figures linked to Celtic FC is shameful and needs to be condemned. What steps we take next to tackle the issue need to be discussed. I welcome the call for a big, broad, anti-sectarian initiative, uniting the vast majority in Scotland who are opposed to sectarianism, bigotry and hatred.
However, it is nonsense to equate Scotland in 2011 to pre-peace process Stormont and does a disservice to a community that genuinely faced state sponsored violence, discrimination and oppression.
SNP left of centre? It's more that they will make populist appeals that they will sometimes deliver on – remember Alex Salmond was the guy that complained pre crash that banks were over regulated and that Scottish banks only needed 'silver plated regulation' not 'the gold plated regulation' that was being imposed from the City of London.
Their promise to re regulate buses went out of the window as soon Bus monopolist Brian Souter, of "Keep the Clause" fame started giving them six figure donations. (and their behaviour whilst the then labour led Scottish Executive was trying to abolish Clause 28 was pretty reactionary)
They have frozen council tax for four years – and are promising a five year freeze if returned to office. A policy that's not so much populist as social vandalism (and regressive , the poor are paying more in increased charges and reduced services than they would in letting Council Tax rise)
That's not to say they haven't done some decent things in office – moving towards free prescriptions being the most obvious – But tackling sectarianism hasn't been one of them.
In fact they shut down the initiatives started by Salmond's predecessor, Jack McConnell. I'm no particular fan of McConnell – a man so business friendly he tried to water down a measure (from one of his own MSPs) that would have guaranteed shopworkers either Xmas Day or New Years Day off work(either, not even both.
But sectarianism was something he took seriously and tried to get some dialogue going about. Salmond's response at the time was to say that this wouldn't achieve anything and then abandoned McConnell's Summit initiatives as soon as he came into office. It was even stated that it wasn't a big problem…
Curiously, or perhaps not, the grouping most keen to see the Summit programme abandoned were the Catholic hierarchy in Scotland. People would, you see, keep bringing up the issue of sectarian schooling in Scotland, discussion of which makes Priestly types nervous.
The SNP have been trying to detach a (largely mythical I'm convinced) Catholic vote from Labour for a long time now – they discovered an enthusiasm for sectarian education after Jim Sillars won the Govan by-election – and have been trying to cosy up to sundry mitre wearers ever since. (viz one of Salmond's very very rare appaearnces at Westminster after he became first minister was to vote for the most restrictive amendment on abortion law.)
Here is a prediction – the remit for the current initiative will either be drawn rather narrowly (public order policing, drink, interweb fuckwittery etc)without looking at wider social issues (especially education). Or if it is does involve those wider social isues – the plug will be pulled as soon as the question of the benefits (or otherwise) of Scotland's peculiar level of state support for catholic schools is brought into the mix.
I think Eammon should put out nuanced and sophisticated leaflets explaining that anyone opposed to independence is a Brit scumbag traitor, and that people should vote for a party that seeks to maintain the English crown and defended the integrity of the proud Scottish regiments like the Black Watch and the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders.
So much better than some no-mark who was expelled from the Labour Party and suffered death threats for his stance on an imperialist war.
And don't forget to include an especially nuanced and sophisticated invitation to anyone who disagrees with you to come and sort it out with a square go in the car park.
You seem to have a wee bit of a bee in your bonnet about Catholic schools.
You got a street party lined up for Friday, Eamonn?
28,is not the S.N.P!S AGENDA,too slow down the devolution process.
" Where's your evidence that this is more than a crime?"
It would techicaly be a 'Hate Crime' under law you know the sort of thing racism, homophobia.. It is about the motivation for the crime.
Interesting statistics re how people in Glasgow 9as opposed to on the internet) view sectarianism. Apparently it is not such a great problem as the media might suggest.
"Institutional sectarianism – in the labour market, by the Police or by the Council or other
public services – was perceived to be much less common. Even so, a quarter (25%) of
respondents felt that sectarianism was common in employment decisions and a fifth (20%)
felt that there was sectarian practice by the Police. Yet when people were asked specifically
about how the Police treat Catholics and Protestants, 45% said that both are treated
equally, 19% said that "religion doesn't affect how people are treated" and 28% felt unable
to comment, leaving only 7% believing there was some difference in how the Police treat
Protestants and Catholics."http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/DA614F81-4F1B-4452-8847-F3FDE920D550/0/sectarianism03.pdf
I am surprised that you would raise this straw man without reading anything about the study — undertaken for Glasgow City Council. Page two of the study states: "The study was undertaken in three broad phases, centred on a survey of a representative sample of 1,000 adults in Glasgow."
Your point is thus not relevant.
And there's no sectarianism from Celtic supporters I suppose. No definitely not!
A piece that is long on oncoherent ranting, and short on objective facts. If I sent a bomb to the queen (and just for the avoidance of doubt, I wouldn't), would that demonstrate (a)that Scotland is a seething hotbed of republicanismn or (b) that I'm a deranged nutter. Only the strange logic of John Wight would give the answer as (a).
" Those figures tell us nothing.
Imagine …[ your imagined incompetent poll]."
Comment by Andy Newman
Fortunately, you don't have to imagine anything here. You can just turn to the authoritative academic study I've already linked to twice http://tinyurl.com/66dc4p8
If you want to discuss sectarianism in Scotland SERIOUSLY, then this is what you have to talk about. If you think they rely on polls that were conducted by idiots, rather than by highly-trained professionals; if you think the academics are incompetent, or prejudiced appointees or some Orange masonic establishment, then spell out where you think their competence is in question and why, or where there is bias and evidence of corruption.
OTHERWISE any discussion on this topic is just an exchange of hearsay and prejudice, in which as always the protestants are found guilty without trial.
For those who haven't read it (which includes me, but I'm not making assertions in a major socialist website) it concludes that catholics are happily integrated in Scotland, and that religious indentity is of little importance to all but a very few Scots.
"So a poll that was representative of the Scottish population as a whole might under-represent a discrimination agaist catholics, if 85% of the populations don't experience it."
Sigh. As I stated above, the poll was representative of Glasgow's population not Scotland's (another strawman). Thus: "The study was undertaken in three broad phases, centred on a survey of a representative sample of 1,000 adults in Glasgow."
Also, per the same Glasgow City study: "There is no significant difference with regard to the level of crime experienced between respondents who classify themselves as Catholics and those who classify themselves as belonging to a Protestant. This general pattern is well established by crime surveys such as the Scottish Crime Survey."
And again — contrary to the original poster's claims — "Only a small minority said that sectarianism tends to be mainly anti-Catholic (8%) or anti- Protestant (2%). Even among Catholics and Protestant respondents, there was a strong view that sectarianism affected both equally although Catholic respondents were more likely to say that sectarianism tended to be anti-Catholic (15%) than Protestants were to say that it tended to be anti-Protestant (3%)."
#40, the implication is that the 1000 adults were representative of the population of Glasgow, not of Scotland as a whole. There are roughly the same number of Church of Scotland and Roman Catholics in Glasgow (doing some maths on the figures in Table 1.17 of the census analysis you link to gives 171700 CoS and 168574 RC). So if that's the case then your point in #36 doesn't seem to hold.
As for the survey linked to in #35, there's bits in it that support either perspective… in fact there are plenty of contradictions within it. I guess that's a problem with surveys that focus on what people feel, rather than something more material.
Doesn't change the fact that the article at the top of the page is hysterical junk, though.
It is hard to reconcile the claim that 65% of respondents felt that sectarian violence was common with the fact that "5% of respondents who were physically attacked believed that this was because of their religion." It appears that sectarian violence is a rare phenomenon.
Also Andy, in #40 you quote "71% said that using sectarian terms was common". Just the other day in another thread on this site "Stephen Hero" was making comments which many in Scotland would see as sectarian. You presumably didn't, since they are still there. Which is fine, I'm not particularly interested in another tedious debate about whether it was or not, I'm just saying that many in Scotland would see them that way. Which perhaps illustrates some of the issues around perception that might be contained in that quotation.
Graham Day typifies the supine position of the left in this country when it comes to this issue. Five mail bombs sent to Irish or Irish linked targets is just the work of a few nutters and has no historical or cultural context. Forty thousand Rangers fans singing The Famine Song doesn't is indicative of nothing more than a football rivalry.
All is well in his world until the bubble of delusion in which he clearly resides is pricked. Then he exerts himself in shooting the messenger.
As I write, inexcusable if not surprising.
I see your keeping your tangential relationship with reality by putting words in my mouth, Mr Wight. You really are a joke.
Stick to writing about boxing, at least you know something about it.
48. Andy please explain dodgy! They are not libelous. You really have to mix reality and sense of humour. The post I made about Findlay and Galloway could be verified. It was on the roger melly.
Andy, it's bizarre that at #49 you've got the author of the original post telling us that an abusive song in a football ground is a big deal, while you're telling me at #51 that an abusive term which may or may not be directed at football fans isn't.
But as I said, I'm not particularly interested in debating it in the abstract. I'm telling you, as someone who has lived in central Scotland all my life, that it is not just banter between football fans and it is perceived and used as sectarian abuse. You don't have to take my word for it.
BTW Andy, I wasn't being critical about you not deleting comments, I was trying to illustrate a point that people in that survey might perceive sectarianism where none was intended. Which on reflection wasn't a very good one, since I think that the perception vastly outweighs the intention.
Graham, what tripe you spout. Now you are attempting to equate a song deemed racist by the courts with a pejorative word used to describe Rangers fans.
And I'm the joke? Truly, you couldn't make it up.
Well, clearly you can.
The nilbymouth campaign states "Offensive sectarian language is still used in Scotland on a daily basis, with abusive terms such as "Hun" and "Orange bastard" being used negatively against Protestants (or those perceived to be) and others such as "Fenian" and "Tim" used negatively against Catholics (or those perceived to be)."
#55, please see my comment at #56. The term clearly is a sectarian one.
The term hun is an abusive term for a Rangers fan or Rangers player.
It has nothing to do with religion.
Protestants who play for, or support, Celtic are not huns and are not called huns.
Catholics who play for Rangers are huns and are called huns.
It is interesting that Rangers fans wish to portray the word hun as sectarian.
Fenian isn't sectarian.
Neither is Tim.
Nil By Mouth are wrong.
I don't wish to cause offence by bringing the issue of class in to it but it's necessary to understand their limitations. Nil By Mouth set up in the wake of the murder of a young Celtic supporter, Mark Scott, who was walking home from Celtic Park wearing a Celtic top. He was attacked and had his throat cut in Bridgeton and died at the scene. What was unusual about his murder was that he was from a professional upper middle class background. I believe Nil By Mouth was set up by one of his classmates from the private non denominational school he attended. I get the feeling that however well intentioned the people behind the charity are, the whole milieu is foreign to them. Hence the hand wringing over terms like hun and tim. They're not words they would ever have used or would have encountered but for the charity.Middle class do gooders is probably an apt description.
58. It is not abusive at all. It is simply a fact of politics. The Hanoverians crushed the Vatican Papist Idiot placeman Charlie. There is a statue in the Vatican to commemorate the idiot Charlie. The Papes lost and are unforgiving. Thus the HUN. Get a grip with your history 58.
And there they go. There are far too many people in Scotland who don't see a problem with their sectarian language, only with other peoples. The idiots at #55 and #58 are cases in point.
There have been a couple of interesting documents linked to in this thread, but as with previous similar articles there is a lot more heat than light. Too many contributors are just parading their prejudices rather than discussing a serious issue in a serious manner. Needless to say that goes double for the author of this piece.
Hun is a racist term. Hun means German and this was a common term of abuse in earlier decades. Calling Rangers fans (and loyalists) Huns is a reference to their imagined Saxon roots; foreign invaders as opposed to indigenous Gaels.
It's the flip side of the Famine Song – an essentialist expression of ethnic superiority and entitlement – and says 'This is our land and you don't belong here'
60. Celtic fans were the first known to throw bananas at a black Rangers player. The black player was English. Eh! who is racist anti English and bigoted. Andy get a life and read history.
#60, The fact is that I've pointed out to you that that word is perceived by many Scots to be sectarian and offensive. I've backed that up with a link to what I think is an objective source. Your response is to repeat the offense, with bells on. It's not really good enough, is it?
Andy. Did you know that a section of 'SCOTTISH'(joke) Celtic Supporters actually wear regalia with Che and Irish Republican slogans. The tossers must think Che would have approved of indiscriminately murdering innocent working class civilians. Another history lesson for you Andy.
"Perhaps it is worth saying that from an English perspective Rangers fans have a reputation for being boorish racist bigots; Celtic fans are just seen as supporters of a Scottish football club."
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that from *your* English perspective; unless you claim to speak for Englishmen in general. I might as well say that when I visit family in Hungary they view English fans as violent neo-nazis. I would never call this "the Hungarian perspective".
"Can you explain how when the term is applied to Catholic players at Rangers that it can be religiously sectarian?"
So if a Rangers fan calls a non-Irish Celtic fan or player a fenian or a taig that means that those terms are not sectarian? Very odd.
Here's a litmus test: would Celtic fans ever call themselves Tims? Absolutely. What about Fenians? Yes, if they were Irish republicans – bold Fenian men, etc. Taig? Never.
Would a Rangers fan ever call himself a Hun? Never. Bluenose? Sometimes. Bear? Absolutely.
IMHO Hun and Taig are unacceptable but the rest are fine.
Andy you are doing fine. C U Jimmy is a troll, just like Eamonn Wright from the Kennyhill School of thought
Why are the huns so desperate to have people beleive that the term hun is sectarian?
Why do fans of all clubs in Scotland refer to them as huns?
Let's be honest their behaviour over the years gives people enough reason to detest them without bringing religion in to it.
'A permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace'.
"It is to these tikes, hooligans, louts and drunkards that I pinpoint my message – it is because of your gutter-rat behaviour that we [Rangers] are being publicly tarred and feathered."
66.# Do not move the goalposts Andy. We know the English and Millwall. We are talking about hard done to innocent butter would not melt in the mouth Celtic camp followers.
OOPPS should not have used the word camp. Not something tolerated by Papes North of the border. -
No one is suggesting the word hun is a term of endearment. It's offensive and pejorative. But it's not sectarian and has nothing to do with religion.
72.# See you are even having a go at the disadvantaged that went to Kennyhill on the Gray school van. Typical Nazi Pape.
#68, I'm finding it hard to believe you're being serious here Andy. When directed at Catholics playing for Rangers you could argue that it was intended both as a sectarian insult and an accusation of betrayal. There's as much evidence to back that up as the statement of someone who happily uses the term that they don't mean anything by it.
But anyway, as I thought I made clear, we're not talking about football (and, incidentally, I'm not a Rangers fan, though I really resent being made to feel that I have to point that out). It's used on the streets of central Scotland as sectarian abuse. I know, I live there. It's ridiculous for you to claim that if someone prefaces their comments with "context" that that makes it OK. At least Anonymous up at #59 is being consistent.
I think I said a while back that this is a tedious debate…
Graham Day
Why do fans of other clubs in Scotland refer to Rangers and their fans as huns?
#73, worth pointing out that fans of all other scottish clubs refer to Celtic in sectarian terms too. Which you could see as evidence of sectarianisn being rife in Scotland, or as evidence of opposing fans wanting to wind up fans of the old firm.
But we're not talking about football, we're talking about real life.
Affectionate term used to describe the more rabid supporters (sic!) of various opposition clubs whose general political slant is strongly right-wing, parochial, conservative and highly xenophobic towards any form of outside influence."Huns" can usually be easily spotted due to their lack of cleanliness, and general poor looks.
"Huns" usually refers to Rangers fans in the main, but also can be used to refer to Hearts, Kilmarnock and even foreign clubs like Millwall.
Lots of different stories how this name came about, but the most likely is that as a number of Rangers players were able to skip joining up for the war effort in the World Wars due to connections, and were said to be no better than the "Huns" (slang at the time in the UK media for the German and their Axis power counterparts), and the term stuck.
Used to actually be a term that Rangers fans also used against Celtic fans at one point (upto the 60s), but it didn't work as it wasn't accurate.
This has been fun Andy. But I have to prepare the bunting and flags for Friday. I have a good and wet weather plan for celebrating the marriage of our future pagan King and Queen. The bevvy is in the fridge the buffet ordered. Eat your hearts out Papes. Console yourself with having a Herman the German HUN Hitler Youth NAZI in situ. NOT TO MENTION HIS CONVERT TONY BLIAR. Papes just have no embarrassment.
As down the glen one Easter morn to a city fair rode I
There Armed lines of marching men in squadrons passed me by
No pipe did hum, no battle drum did sound its loud tattoo
But the Angelus Bell o'er the Liffey's swell rang out through the foggy dewRight proudly high over Dublin Town they hung out the flag of war
'Twas better to die 'neath an Irish sky than at Suvla or Sud-El-Bar
And from the plains of Royal Meath strong men came hurrying through
While BRITANIAS HUNS, with their long range guns sailed in through the foggy dew -
#79, so if you've never heard a word used in the context of murder in Northern Ireland then it's OK? And you're positive that you've heard all the words ever used in that context?
Well, I certainly can't argue with that logic…
The terms used to describe both sides of the Old Firm have interesting histories that are often distorted.
The term "Billy Boys" for instance is not, (as many people think) a reference to King William of Orange. It refers to Billy Fullerton, a Glasgow Gang Leader. (Of the Brig' ton Billy Boys.)
Similarly, the term "Tim" derives from another Glasgow gang The Tim Molloys and as such is not actually a religious slur.
As many on this board will know the term "fenian" derives from supporters of the Irish Republican Brotherhood and if applied properly it can be argued is an accurate political description. More commonly however, it is used as a catch all insult for Roman Catholics.
The term "Hun" is probably the most contested word in terms of how it originated as a term of abuse for Rangers fans.
Some claim it is short for supporters of the Hanoverian royal dynasty whilst others claim that Rangers supporters originally labelled Celtic fans Huns due to the Republic's perceived support of Germany during WWI (prior to the establishment of Eire) and during WWII. It is alleged that fans of Celtic merely turned the insult back on their rivals.
Whether or not posters on this board think it is a sectarian or offence term of not doesn't really matter. The charity Nil by Mouth deems it so and therefore the political establishment would consider it a sectarian term. (Not sure if that has been tested in the courts or not?)
84.# OH And anyone can call me an Orange Bastard. I will not take offence. As my old late auntie replied to abuse from our NICE Irish immigrants THAT SHE WAS AN ORANGE BASTARD. Her reply: Not a bastard but Orange and Proud and she walked on turning her cheek to the scum. Well done old Auntie Alice. But the scum are still here.
Dear God, what a carry on. And cheers for the defence in my absence, Andy.
I'd confidently assert that a majority of fans of every team in the Scottish Premier League would laugh in your face if you attempted to tell them that 'Hun' was a sectarian term or referred to anything other than Rangers fans and Rangers players. This is despite the fact that Scottish Protestants would make up a large majority in all but one (perhaps two) of these support bases. Even Hearts fans gave a relatively rousing rendition of 'Go Home Ya Huns' to Rangers after beating them at Tynecastle earlier in the season.
For my second confident assertion, I'd suggest that Graham Day is either a Rangers fan or has absolutely balls all knowledge of Scottish football.
And for the record, I can't stand Celtic either!
And so there you go.
Jimmy is a sectarian prick who knows it.
Stephen Hero is a sectarian prick who doesn't.
Who is better? Does it matter?
There is an alternative
'Whether or not posters on this board think it is a sectarian or offence term of not doesn't really matter. The charity Nil by Mouth deems it so and therefore the political establishment would consider it a sectarian term. (Not sure if that has been tested in the courts or not?)'What on earth makes you think that Nil By Mouth are some sort of authoritative voice in all of this?
Graham Day
And you are what exactly?
Graham, you're off your head.
89.# I just dropped my bunting because of that remark. I will ask Gorgeous to sue you on my behalf.
The Celticwiki quoted above with approval seems an unpleasant thing and has this bile-filled description of the term: "They are despised by all decent, educated people in Scotland, their own country; they are mocked by the English they are so desperate to cling to; the Taigs are taking all the top jobs in the north of Ireland, leaving them without even fabled "Ulster" to call their own. Never having had to compete in the Six Counties, they are now incapable of competing. "
Of course the hilariously Nelsonian nature of this discussion is rendered even more surreal by the fact that the most pervasive – and vitriolic – racism in Scotland is actually anti-English racism.
Speak to a group of Irish expats from Dublin and ask them how much abuse and hostility they have encountered during their time in Scotland. Then ask the same question of a group of English expats from London. We all know which group would have experienced more racism.
Somehow, their feelings don't count.
I think most people would realise that the article is intended to be frivolous, flippant and humorous. That evidently escaped you.
88.# Seems you cant stand that awful pub near GWR. Must be working class that hang around it.
SA so the IRA members from Ireland, killing protestants were anti Nortern ireland, racists then,
#95 Don 'the most pervasive – and vitriolic – racism in Scotland is actually anti-English racism'
Is it more vitriolic than receiving a mail bomb or having your throat slashed?
"I think most people would realise that the article is intended to be frivolous, flippant and humorous. That evidently escaped you."
I think people outside the walled garden of Celtic support would not find it humourous and frivolous. I am sure Rangers supporters are also amused by writing "flippant" slurs about Irishmen.
"Is it more vitriolic than receiving a mail bomb or having your throat slashed?"
These are the actions of a few psychopaths like Jason Campbell. I'm talking about the lived experience of each minority in Scotland.
Andy – have you worked out yet that it's all a bit more complicated up here than Mr Wight's rather partisan perspective might indicate?
Scotland is not Northern Ireland, whatever the superficial similarities might suggest. The Catholic Church is not oppressed and nor are its adherents, as most of them would happily tell you.
There are moronic and violent bigots on both sides who feed off each other like West Ham and Millwall on steroids. They appropriate historic disputes to invest their childish nonsense with a patina of historic grandeur.
Scotland needs people from elsewhere to point out how absurd the whole pantomime is. What we don't need is people who misunderstand the political significance of it jumping in and taking sides.
#102 Andy
I always thought that the line about Britannia's Huns was Canon O'Neill's way of highlighting the hypocrisy of Britain' position in going to defend Belgium from German aggression while at the same time carrying out similar aggression against Ireland.
I think O'Casey made a similar point in Shadow of a Gunman.
"Mr Wight's rather partisan perspective might indicate?"
Based on a letter of his I read in the Weekly Worker(sic); his views are extreme by republican standards even. I quote: "Without recourse to military action, Sinn Fein will never be more than another tepid, social democratic formation occupying the centre-left of the political landscape."
Perhaps he is not well placed to comment on these issues?
'The Catholic Church is not oppressed and nor are its adherents'
But they are regarded as not quite belonging.
103.# You are right the Catholic Church is not oppressed in Scotland. They are indeed privileged to get taxpayers money to promote them. But do not think they are thankful for this. They are the true faith and expect funding. The mugs that fund them are 'mugs'. They are very clever. They attack when being exposed either when sexual abuse, paedophilia or priests doing a bit of shagging on the side.
They have been around for 16 centuries. Clever bastards. Give them respect. -
'There are moronic and violent bigots on both sides'
Absolute shite, Don. I'm sorry, but really…
Tell me the names of the high profile Scottish Protestants who were the intended targets of intercepted mail bombs last week. Tell me when the Moderator of the Chruch of Scotland last received bullets in the post. Likewise with the Rangers manager.
I'd say that when people are being sent mail bombs for no other reason than either they are Irish Catholics, or have an affiliation to a sporting institution with a distinct Irish heritage, then we're looking at more than just your bog standard case of bigotry.
I don't know about you, but personally I don't know anybody who knows how to make up a letter bomb. Maybe it was just a couple of Rangers fans sitting in a bedsit somewhere after a night on the sauce, listening to loyalist marching songs at the same time. Or maybe it was an organised and premeditated attempted murder.
Childish nonsense to you, maybe, but I'd wager not to those involved on either side.
Jimmy confirming my point.
An idiot. But, for once, of some use.
"'There are moronic and violent bigots on both sides'
Absolute shite, Don. I'm sorry, but really…"
"An element of supporters following premier league clubs such as Glasgow based Rangers FC and Celtic FC, and Edinburgh's Hibernian and Hearts use songs, chants and banners on match days to express abuse or support towards the Protestant or Catholic faiths. In a similar way, some football fans proclaim a political commitment, and they promote their support for Northern Irish based terrorist groups such as the IRA and UVF. At some matches this can generate an atmosphere of hatred, religious tension and intimidation which continues to lead to violence in communities across Scotland. "
John – I'm not talking about bomb-making lunatics. The Scottish nationalist fringe has had a few of those as well over the years.
I'm talking about the haters who spit bile at the other side as a form of recreation. There are plenty of Celtic fans who fit that description. Bitter – like their Rangers counterparts – and prone to casual racism, sexism and homophobia.
Go onto some of the Celtic fan sites – Jeez, some of these people should be locked up in Carstairs.
It seems some people can't accept that perhaps one side is worse than the other.
That probably says a lot about their own baggage.
109.# Yes indeed. Keep the flagellation to a minimum I would miss your comments.
"98.SA so the IRA members from Ireland, killing protestants were anti Nortern ireland, racists then,"
The IRA was not a sectarian organisation but don't take my word for that read General Glover's assesment for the British Government.
But what are you saying here that the letter bomb campaign in Scotland is justified by events mainly historical in Ireland?
Are you saying any Taig will do?
111.# It is from the Carstairs HQ. That is why the train stn is a mile away and you never see a celik tap boarding.
On a serious note who actually made UP those letter bombs. People jump tae conclusions and follow the popular daily rags and BBC ETC!. But it could have been THE scum REPUBLICANS. Evidence is required. -
"The IRA was not a sectarian organisation"
Indeed, amongst its victims were many innocent Catholics; especially policemen.
@Harsanyi Janos:
"Without recourse to military action, Sinn Fein will never be more than another tepid, social democratic formation occupying the centre-left of the political landscape."
Did John Wight really write that?
Yes. It was a letter to the pseudo-Trotskyist Weekly Worker (aka Weedy Wanker). I despise that "newspaper" but believe the letter to be true as it was subsequently featured in the Daily Herald (which was not called upon to retract it).
Thanks for that. A clear endorsement of terror.
Anon at #90 said;
"What on earth makes you think that Nil By Mouth are some sort of authoritative voice in all of this?"
I don't think they are an authoritative voice. However, the political establishment and by extension the law thinks that they are.
Night night
I'm talking about the haters who spit bile at the other side as a form of recreation. There are plenty of Celtic fans who fit that description. Bitter – like their Rangers counterparts – and prone to casual racism, sexism and homophobia.
@46 Also Andy, in #40 you quote "71% said that using sectarian terms was common". Just the other day in another thread on this site "Stephen Hero" was making comments which many in Scotland would see as sectarian. You presumably didn't, since they are still there. Which is fine, I'm not particularly interested in another tedious debate about whether it was or not, I'm just saying that many in Scotland would see them that way. Which perhaps illustrates some of the issues around perception that might be contained in that quotation.
A forum that isn't premoderated will attract bigots, trolls and racists like flies to shit. It goes with the territory. There's been issues with racists on EDL threads here in the past. I think Andy does his best but in the end comments will slip through. It just shows them up for what they are.
Many people in the east end on rare occasions use the metaphors, kennyhill, The Dolly Bus, or taking a maddie. It is in our usage of emphasis and if you want to be really politically correct
in your posts try and be a bit ecumenical instead of your insane sectarian rants. I am a Christian heretic, not a Pape As for being a Nazi. I beg to differ. I am accused of being a Stalinist and idiot. I have got over it but never used to it. -
Yes, I did write that letter, back in 2006, I believe it was. I was wrong, it's as simple as that.
Sinn Fein have negotiated a very difficult path to lead the struggle and steer it away from its physical force aspect and I pay tribute to them for doing so. Along with many others, I never fully appreciated that the attachment to Britain on the part of the unionist community runs deep and will not end with the withdrawal of British troops. The lack of support for a united Ireland in the South is also significant.
There is also the matter of understanding that it's easy to take militant positions on these issues when you don't have to live with the consequences of those positions.
So, yes, I was wrong, and I'm happy to admit that.
Politics is a process.
Fair enough, John. All of us have adopted positions at one time or another that might not look so wise today.
I'm more troubled by your one-eyed view of the world of sectarian hatred in west central Scotland. There is a truly horrible and atavistic sub-culture in parts of Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Ayrshire, Renfrewshire and one or two other spots. The Rangers or loyalist side is worse but it feeds off the Celtic or republican side which is, in far more respects than you seem to realise, a mirror image. I know knuckle-draggers on both sides and they are similar in outlook, cultural habits and malice.
It's not politics; it's a disease, like alcoholism.
Don, you've picked me up entirely wrong if you think I adopt the position that Celtic fans are all good and righteous and Rangers fans the opposite.
The football aspect is a manifestation of the culture in which it resides, not the other way about.
The legacy of anti Irish sentiment and racism in Scotland remains and occasionally flares up, as it has recently.
But to equate Irish republicanism with sectarianism is completely false. It is a political doctrine not a religious one, and those on either side who believe it is otherwise are wrong.
#122 – Jellytot, have you read the comments being referred to by Graham Day in his post?
#120There is an alternative
'I don't think they are an authoritative voice. However, the political establishment and by extension the law thinks that they are.'
The political establishment use them as a way of deflecting responsibility from themselves.
The law, or at least the courts take a more robust view. Hence the decision in the case of PC Christopher Halaka, who was charged with a breach of the beace aggravated by religious sectarianism. PC Halaka's defence, which I understand was funded by the Police Federation, called Prof Tom Devine as an expert witness. His comments on the case, set out in a letter to The Herald, are instructive.
'The controversy over the League Cup Final, and in particular the reported behaviour of some sections of the crowd who were in attendance, has been full of sound and fury but with little emerging in the way of legal clarity about what, if any, offences were committed ("Church to send Old Firm film to police"), The Herald, March 26).
A recent experience which I had in a Scottish court may shed some light on the issues involved.
I was called to attend a case as an expert witness in a sheriff court in which the accused were charged under Section 74 of the Criminal Justice ( Scotland) Act 2003 with committing a breach of the peace aggravated by religious prejudice. I can only surmise that I was asked to take part in these proceedings because I had advised civil servants during the time of the McConnell government on anti-sectarian policy and also edited an academic study, Scotland's Shame ? Bigotry and Sectarianism in Modern Scotland, published in 2000.
The accused were charged with singing sectarian songs in a public place. They stated they had indeed sung the Fields of Athenry as they were supporters of Glasgow Celtic and that the song was a firm favourite among the Parkhead crowd. However, they denied they had sung any other lyrics, suggested by the Crown, which included such phrases as "up the IRA", "the black beret" and "Bobby Sands" .
Early in the proceedings the Sheriff ruled that the Fields of Athenry was an Irish folk ballad and in no way could be construed as having sectarian overtones. The court then proceeded to hear submissions on whether references to the IRA, especially those which implied approval of that organisation, could be considered an offence aggravated by religious prejudice under the 2003 legislation.
To understand which followed next it is important to be aware of the specifics of the Act. It states that an offence is aggravated by religious prejudice if : (a) "the offender evinces towards the victim (if any) of the offence malice and ill-will based on the victim's membership or presumed membership of a religious group, or of a social or cultural group with a perceived religious affiliation; or (b) the offence is motivated (wholly or partly) by malice and ill-will towards members of a religious group, or of a social or cultural group with a perceived religious affiliation, based on their membership of that group". The key issue therefore was: Could vocal approval of the IRA in a public place be considered not simply a potential breach of the peace but one aggravated by religious prejudice? The sheriff listened to the evidence, including my own statement, and the various submissions on this question both by defence lawyers and the Crown. He concluded that doubtless some members of the public might take offence at songs being sung in support of an organisation which the UK Government considered to be a terrorist movement. Nonetheless, he ruled that the IRA was a republican military organisation, was not sectarian in intent and that those who showed support for it, real or rhetorical, were not showing "malice or ill will towards members of a religious group''. The charge could not therefore be sustained under the 2003 legislation and the accusation of a religiously aggravated breach was dismissed.
To my knowledge little of this case was reported in the press, which is a pity because its results have significant legal implications as to how Scottish law officers and the police respond to fan behaviour at these matches. One conclusion is abundantly clear. Those who sing songs of hate against another religious group are, prima facie, committing an offence under the 2003 Act. I was not present at the League Cup Final nor did I see it on television. But press reports suggest that many thousands of spectators were brazenly and enthusiastically singing such songs in full view of the cameras, the media, a large audience outside Scotland and the police at one of the major occasions in the Scottish sporting calendar.
As a democratic and civilised society we should hang our heads in collective shame, not simply as a result of the vile chants which were heard against the religious beliefs of our fellow citizens but because the forces of law and order did nothing to stop it.
Prof Tom Devine,
Sir William Fraser Professor of Scottish History and Palaeography,
University of Edinburgh,
Teviot Place, Edinburgh.'
13, et al
Jock McT, the 'research' you cite is nonsense from beginning to end, with
the authors claiming there was absolutely no evidence of job discrimination against Catholics. This is the David Irving approach to history- ignore most of the evidence, rubbish the rest and then claim there is no evidence.The authors even claim that the Church of Scotland apologised for sectarian attacks and prejudice that didn't happen. Nonsense. To their credit the General Assembly apologised for their own sectarian actions, sermons and publications. They also cited the materials they were apologising for
#129 frank
'To their credit the General Assembly apologised for their own sectarian actions, sermons and publications.'
I wonder if the SNP will ever get round to doing the same.
The mantra of this blog i think is Hope Not HATE,socialist lines.What has religious bigotry got to do with this blogs splein, and the anti socialist drivel, that the religious bigotory poisions.
#129 oh, that's alright then, cos frank says so.
' the David Irving school of history'? That's a big accusation against a team of professors with long academic pedigrees. OK, that doesn't necessarily go for anything – Alan Dershowitz for one? – but I'd be looking for some references to other expert sociologists, statisticians etc who had identified their concerns with the report.
Have you actually read the report, or did the Amazon review just not confirm your anti-protestant prejudices?
#132 jock mctrousers
I haven't read Bruce's book and haven't been able to find a review of it by any academic who might give a balanced and informed response, though I did find this in The Scotsman……'The Rev Alan McDonald, the convener of the Church and nation committee, who described the rate of alleged sectarian crime as "chilling", insisted it was a major issue.
"I'm quite confident, and so was the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland, that there is a problem in Scotland. There's absolutely no doubt that people are hurt, maimed and killed and that this is partly at least to do with sectarianism," he said.
"I simply do not accept what Steve Bruce is implying, that sectarianism is not a problem. I would suggest he goes to a casualty department of a hospital in Glasgow on a Saturday night and then have another look at these figures."
But a spokesman for the Catholic Church agreed with Prof Bruce's central claim.
"I don't think Scotland is endemically sectarian, but there is sectarian behaviour and it's incumbent on the state to eradicate it," he said.
"There are Catholics in Scotland who have never experienced sectarianism, but equally, I could give you examples of churches having their windows smashed and smoke bombs being thrown in during mass."
A spokeswoman for Nil by Mouth said it stood by its figures, but welcomed the book as a contribution to the debate.'
As others have mentioned there does appear to be a bit of a slant to his oeuvre.
I noticed that he attended the Queen Victoria School in Dunblane, so assume therefore that his father was an army officer. I can't help thinking that the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
133.# I like the word eradicate. The German Catholic and Lutherans were experts. Ask any Jew that survived.
Rangers banned from next European away Match, that is going to build bridges and end the siege mentality at the Derry End.
It does illustrate whats acceptable in Scotland is seen as racism everywhere else.
Well almost everywhere else..who would have guessed that the UEFA delegate who didnt have a problem with the songs was from Northern Ireland!
jock mctrousers
Still can't find a proper review of Prof Bruce's magnus opus, though I did find this blurb on Amazon about his book:Paisley: Religion and Politics in Northern Ireland
'The career of the Revd Ian Paisley raises vital questions about the links between religion and politics in the modern world. Paisley is unique in having founded his own church and party and led both to success, so that he effectively has a veto over political developments in Northern Ireland. Steve Bruce draws on over 20 years of close acquaintance with Paisley's people to describe and explain Paisleyism.'
Call me cynical, but if I'm looking for an objective and fair account of an issue like anti Catholic sectarianism I'm not sure that I'd be asking someone with 'over 20 years of close acquaintance with Paisley's people'.
"Call me cynical, but if I'm looking for an objective and fair account of an issue like anti Catholic sectarianism I'm not sure that I'd be asking someone with 'over 20 years of close acquaintance with Paisley's people'."
I agree. I also would not ask John Wight given the views he held as recently as a few years ago (see #118 and 124 above). They are more extreme than Paisley's.
You might have a valid arguement on the act of settlement in that it is designed to stop a non protestant from becoming head of the c of e. The problem is that it refers exclusively to catholics. It is not illegal for the monarch to be muslim for example. Or for the monarch to marry anyone from any other religion bar one. This is An arguement trotted out to try and justify a clear institutional bias in the uk that holds no water when put under any sort of scrutiny.
" …Call me cynical, but if I'm looking for an objective and fair account of an issue like anti Catholic sectarianism I'm not sure that I'd be asking someone with 'over 20 years of close acquaintance with Paisley's people'."
Bruce held an academic position at a Belfast university for a long time, and wrote the major study of Ian Paisley; he could hardly have done that without getting some acquaintance with the milieu. But I used to know him slightly, and I can assure you that your conjectures as to his personality type are wide of the mark. More of the achingly trendy middle-class sociologist than orange man, and not a hint of machismo, certainly not the military type. He has written several works on the sociology of religion generally.
Again, the work is not Bruce's alone.
However, this is the beginnings of the sort of discussion we should expect on a high profile grown-up socialist site, rather than the exchange of name-calling we've had so far. Pity we're not likely to take it any further until the price of Bruce's book comes down a bit.
#139, the Act states that the monarch "shall join in communion with the Church of England." This obviously disbars Muslims or Jews as well as Catholics. Actually I imagine it would also exclude Protestants who do not hold to the Westminster Confession of Faith (or a similar Calvinist confession).
Another wee insight into life in west central Scotland. An indication of a wider problem? You decide.
Incidentally, what this report doesn't say, is that ASDA also made a donation to a Rangers and a Motherwell boys club. Just to maintain balance.
Store sorry for asking Celtic boys to leave
Date: 29 April 2011
By VICTORIA ALLEN
A SUPERMARKET chain has apologised after a Celtic youth team was asked to abandon its fundraising efforts in the store following complaints from its customers.
Members of Celtic Boys Club were asked to remove their club ties and blazers while in the Motherwell branch of Asda, before later being asked to leave the store altogether.The under-15 team members were helping shoppers to pack to raise money for a football tournament, but club officials said their presence provoked more than 250 complaints in the space of an hour.
Paul Barnes, youth club chairman, said: "I've been with the club for nearly ten years, bagpacked at various events, and I've never been asked to remove blazers or ties."
The under-15s have now been given £200 by Asda.
A spokesman for the firm admitted it "hadn't got it right" when asking the 15-strong team to leave. He said: "The boys did a great job helping out customers with their shopping."
The constitutional position is that the monarch is head of the Church of England and therefore it is correct to say that not only Catholics are excluded, but the exclusion of Catholics was the purpose of the Act.
143.The Act made sense. The continual interference from the Vatican in British politics and worldwide made this a sensible Act. The continulal religious wars for nothing. We now have religious freedom and more importantly the right not to be forced into religion. The Catholic Church just like Islamists have to be in your face with their crap. The present Queen has never in my memory tried or attempted to ram religion down our throats. That is why I give her my support. That is why the Queen has broad support from many different backgrounds.
Of course at the time of the Act, the only non-Calvinists in the UK were Roman Catholics. The possibility of a Muslim or Jewish King would not be considered (it is hard to imagine today even).
146.# The Calvanists threatened Catholic and Anglicans. That is why we have an accommodation now. Maybe an Atheist on the Throne. Nein, Nein. Verboten.
"Calvinism per se has only ever had a minority adherence in England, even among protestants; and many Anglicans would not consider themselves protestant."
Anglicanism is based on the Westminster Confession which is a Reformed (Calvinist) confession. That said, the CoE has drifted far from those original roots (as have many other Churches — e.g., Methodism).
I'm only aware of these Calvinist roots as my uncle is a vicar in the (Calvinist of course) Reformed Church in Hungary and likes to talk about this.
149.# He should talk about it. It is a human right to talk and express yourself.
See letter re "Long tradition of Scottish racism" from the independent.
#151 Tom Minogue
Were the views of the Church of Scotland about the threat to the Scottish race from Irish Catholic immigration not also held by many of the founders of the SNP? People like Andrew Dewar Gibb?
HS @148 – I wouldn't want to get involved in a debate that includes barking Jimmy, but the enactments that contained the Westminster Confession were nullified on the Restoration in 1660, surely? They passed into legitimacy in Scotland, in 1690? (o memory, memory) again, but never in England. I don't (because I don't know) say this explains the racism which is the main subject of this thread, by the way…
richsw, yes you are right.
" The continual interference from the Vatican in British politics and worldwide made this a sensible Act."
That is not history. Do you only know Orange fairy stories. The Vatican was a supporter of William of Orange mainly because of fear of the French King. The Act was intended to cement the power grab of a section of the English elite.
Scottish Racism, never heard the likes, I mean you will be saying the Transport Union made employers sack non whites and the Seamans Union had a total colour bar tempered with the odd attempted lynching.
2.I hear it's quite acceptable at dinner parties to racially abuse the English or Englishness, indeed there have been instances of it recently on this blog which have gone unchallenged.
"dinner parties" sounds like a scottish Boss class and perhaps They would like to get rid the english capitalists so that they can be in the driving seat of oppression…
but my point is that England/Britain is the oppressor here and behind the IRA campaign of armed struggle was the fact that Ireland is an oppressed nation under "British Imperial" control…… now isn't it that Scotland is also an opressed nation within the 'prison-house' of the "UK"? Wales? for that matter, Cornwall is 'historically' a "nation" with own language and culture etc


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Growing up in my house, bacon fat was practically the Salve of the kitchen. My mother, aunts, older cousins and grandmothers down the line all used bacon fat for everything. I do mean everything.
For example, whenever it came to Sunday dinner ideas, mom would always make sure there was a can of bacon grease either in the oven or the fridge (if planning to keep for longer than a day or two), when it came time to make her famous stewed collard greens. But don't think for a mere second that soul food is the only medium in which this glorious grease is used. Here's my comprehensive list:
– Own a dog? Or two? Or more? Drizzle a tablespoon or two over every cup and a half of dry food to jazz up the flavor, keep their coats shiny and help with digestion.
– When cooking fresh snap peas, procure about a third of a cup grease per pound of beans for a savory and down-home addition to your veggies.
– One recipe I was told, by a friend, called for bacon grease in lieu of vegetable oil when making stove top popcorn. Not very forgiving on the arteries, but it sounds delicious.
– When baking certain breads, including (and especially) cornbreads, use some leftover grease to lubricate a skillet or baking pan before adding a mixture. Another idea would be to use some of the grease as a basting agent when you're looking for a crispy crust.
– Anyone who's familiar with the lost art of the meat waffle will be excited to know that you can add grease in place of melted butter to that or even a batch of flapjacks.
No matter how you decide to use it, bacon fat is a wondrous product that can go a long way beyond the breakfast table. If you have any other applications that I may have failed to mention be sure to drop me a line at firstname.lastname@example.com or in the comments section.


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im looking to get a sword to cover my klaxxi sabre (when i get it) so what does anyone think i should use?
btw im using the merciless gladiators dreadweave as a transmog
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Greatsword of Horrid Dreams
An elegant weapon for a more civilized age. Though it may not "go with" the dreadweave set.
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Tempest of Chaos
is the best warlock sword for Merciless Gladiator :)
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are two of my favorites just for the sheer size, mostly. But yeah, Tempest would be your best bet for you since it's the "T5 weapon". I wish they made matching weapons like that again. =(
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If you have a blacksmith with the old Thorium Brotherhood plans, these match pretty well:
Dark Iron Reaver
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Blade of Wizardry
wins for all things caster, sadly its a very rare world bc drop but usually about 5-17k on ah.
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Maladath, Runed Blade of the Black Flight
has always been my favorite.
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Stormfury, Black Blade of the Betrayer
I got this from killing Lich King 10m Heroic. Isn't a warlock blade per se, but is said to be Illidan Stormrage's dagger.
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Seeing as this topic was randomly bumped, I have a question out of general curiosity.
Can you Xmog "One-Hand" weapons to "Main-Hand" now? I know that wasn't the case when Xmog first came out but I remember hearing rumblings that they wanted to change that.
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Seeing as this topic was randomly bumped, I have a question out of general curiosity.
Can you Xmog "One-Hand" weapons to "Main-Hand" now? I know that wasn't the case when Xmog first came out but I remember hearing rumblings that they wanted to change that.
Yes, this was a 5.2 change.
And it was bumped by someone suggesting a dagger? Sword =/= Dagger still (sadly), so dagger xmogs are out.
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Awesome, thanks! Now I can finally XMog into my
Argent Avenger
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I got tired of all the oversized, impractical looking swords many players use, and wanted something that was simple. I know Padaria is more Chinese than Japanese, but I like the simplicity of Japanese design.
So in keeping with the Oriental theme of the MoP expansion, I chose a simple blade that looks like a Japanese Samurai sword. The first blade I had on hand that suited my purpose was
Misery's End
. This blade is actually a wooden sword but looks metallic in game and much better than the screenshots in the Wowhead link, especially once a
Jade Spirit
enchant is applied.
There is a comment by sephyre on the Misery's End page with a list of daggers and swords with that Japanese look and their respective handle colors. This is a very useful reference. After looking at the swords in this list, I changed my "wooden sword" to one of the better looking metal ones, the
Assassination Blade
which is a BoE and may be available on the AH.
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I use the shoulders from that set along with some other black and black/red pieces, and I found that
looks pretty good with it, as well as several other swords from Ulduar. I also saved my
Horseman's Sinister Saber
because I like the look of the orange-ish glow on it.
However, I tend to rock a
Searing Golden Blade
Gilded Scepter
combo in my t-mog, for a kind of "dual-wielding warlock" look.
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Nu-Uh, The best looking "lock-weapons" are: Warglaive of Azzinoth (the both of them :P)
They do sepecislly look good for:Sanctified Dark Coven's Regalia.
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Wednesday, September 10th, 2008
By Margie Wuebker
St. Henry man charged with vehicular homicide
A charge of vehicular homicide has been filed against a former St. Henry man in connection with a June 29 traffic accident that claimed the life of his girlfriend.
Alan M. Rinderle, 23, who currently resides at 4083 North Star-Fort Loramie Road, New Weston, is scheduled to make an initial appearance in Celina Municipal Court at 9 a.m. Sept. 26.
The first-degree misdemeanor carries the possibility of 12 months in jail and a $1,000 fine upon conviction.
A sheriff's report says Rinderle and 21-year-old Rachel Brackman of Fort Recovery were en route from a birthday party when he swerved to avoid a deer along U.S. 127, north of Olding Road. His southbound 1998 Pontiac Firebird traveled across the centerline and off the left side of the road before colliding with a northbound 1992 Chevy pickup truck driven by Jeremy M. Homan, 20, 2820 state Route 119, St. Henry.
Homan reportedly saw Rinderle's approaching vehicle and traveled off the road in an unsuccessful attempt to avoid the 4:31 p.m. accident, according to Mercer County Sheriff's Office reports. Both vehicles overturned upon impact and came to rest in the ditch.
Brackman, co-valedictorian of the Fort Recovery High School Class of 2005, was freed from the wreckage and taken by ambulance to Mercer County Community Hospital in Coldwater. She was transferred aboard a CareFlight emergency helicopter to Miami Valley Hospital in Dayton, where she died approximately 10 hours later.
Both drivers voluntarily submitted to blood tests after the accident with the results showing no detectable blood-alcohol content.
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Citizenship for sale in the Caribbean
KINGSTON, Jamaica Hadi Mezawi has never set foot on the Caribbean island of Dominica, has never seen its rain forests or black-sand beaches. But he's one of its newest citizens.
Without leaving his home in the United Arab Emirates, the Palestinian man recently received a brand new Dominican passport after sending a roughly $100,000 contribution to the tropical nation half a world away.
"At the start I was a little worried that it might be a fraud, but the process turned out to be quite smooth and simple. Now, I am a Dominican," said Mezawi, who like many Palestinians had not been recognized as a citizen of any country. That passport will help with travel for his job with a Brazilian food processing company, he said by telephone from Dubai.
Turmoil in the Middle East and North Africa has led to a surge of interest in programs that let investors buy citizenship or residence in countries around the world in return for a healthy contribution or investment. Most are seeking a second passport for hassle-free travel or a ready escape hatch in case things get worse at home.
Nowhere is it easier or faster than in the minuscule Eastern Caribbean nations of Dominica and St. Kitts & Nevis.
It's such a booming business that a Dubai-based company is building a 4-square-mile community in St. Kitts where investors can buy property and citizenship at the same time. In its first phase, about 375 shareholders will get citizenship by investing $400,000 each in the project, which is expected to include a 200-room hotel and a mega-yacht marina. Others will get passports for buying one of 50 condominium units.
"The more they fight over there, the more political problems there are, the more applications we get here," said Victor Doche, managing director of another company that offers four condominium projects where approved buyers are granted citizenship in St. Kitts, which is less than twice the size of Washington D.C.
It's impossible to say how many people have used the cash for citizenship programs. Officials in both countries declined to respond.
But Bernard Wiltshire, a former Dominica attorney general, said there were already around 3,000 economic citizens when he left government about a decade ago. The country now has roughly 73,000 inhabitants in all.
"Investor visa" or citizenship programs are offered by many nations, including the United States, Canada, Britain and Austria. But the Caribbean countries offer a fast path to citizenship at a very low cost. The whole process, including background checks, can take as little as 90 days in St. Kitts. And there's no need to ever live on the islands, or even visit.
A foreigner can qualify for citizenship in St. Kitts with a $250,000 donation to a fund for retired sugar workers or with a minimum real estate investment of $400,000. The minimum contribution in Dominica is $100,000.
St. Kitts closed its program to Iranians in December 2011, shortly after Iranian students stormed the British Embassy in Tehran. Iranians had earlier been a major source of applicants, according to Doche.
Some locals worry the programs could get out of hand if conditions worsen abroad.
"There could be a flood of people with our passports relocating here," said Dominica's Wiltshire. "What are we going to do then? Really, this program must be halted. It's dangerous to us and dangerous for our neighbors."
St. Kitts opposition leader Mark Brantley said the citizenship program was bringing much needed revenue to the debt-swamped islands, but he said there should be better oversight and public accounting. "We do not see that sufficient controls are currently in place to ensure that bad people, for want of better language, do not get access to our citizenship," he said.
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Although rising grain prices are the source of great excitement to many commodity producers, two industries could be crushed by them.
Livestock production — Market analyst Richard Brock said during the Mid-South Farm and Gin Show that as herds liquidate due to high feed costs, Midwest sow prices have dropped from 44 cents a pound two months ago to 15 cents. The herds that are liquidating are independently-owned units of 1,000-1,300 sows. "We're seeing them drop like flies. It is ugly."
Independent grain elevators unable to keep up with margin calls — "If this keeps going, we may not have any left," said Brock, who notes that a bank recently sent a letter to a third of its independent grain elevators denying additional lines of credit. The elevators' "net worth is negative with the spread on the basis, and banks are having to draw a line in the sand somewhere. The elevators have to liquidate positions."
An example of this predicament might be a mid-sized elevator in Arkansas with 2 million bushels of bean inventory. The market has rallied $5 beyond what they thought it was going.
"They're long the cash and short the futures which is taking an additional $10 million line of credit (for margin calls) that they had never planned. As the market goes up, you could wait until the basis narrows, but the basis has widened because of the volatility. It's also a self-fulfilling prophecy. The elevators have to sell their cash and buy their futures back, which makes the basis go even wider.
"And as long as this market stays up, my theory is that basis isn't coming back, particularly in the South. There is too much grain competing for a small amount of storage space. And there is no shortage of any of these grains right now. We have a perceived shortage for next year.
"Markets are un-Christian. They will crush you," Brock said. "They will go after the weakest sector. The possible loss of the independent elevators is a crisis situation. I don't like the rural environment if all we have is the major national grain companies to sell to and no independents to sell to. That's not good for any of us.
"We'd be a lot better off if we could take $2 off the price of beans and buck off the price of corn and let the rest of agriculture survive. If we crush the livestock industry and we crush the independent grain companies, three years from now, it's going to come back and bite all of us big time."


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The world of video games has inspired quite a few movies, but it's hard to think of one as clever as "Wreck-It Ralph."
The tale of a video-game villain who wants to be seen as good received overwhelmingly positive reviews, did relatively well at the box office and was nominated for an Academy Award for best animated feature. ("Brave" won the Oscar.) The more than able voice cast includes John C. Reilly, Jane Lynch, Sarah Silverman and Ed O'Neill.
The pace is good, and the visuals (especially in Blu-ray) work nicely, particularly when they are used to contrast the styles of different video games.
Also released Tuesday was Steven Spielberg's classic "Schindler's List" in a restored, 20th-anniversary set. One of Spielberg's greatest films, it is also a thematic companion to his "Saving Private Ryan", particularly on the question of sacrifice for others. Oskar Schindler (Liam Neeson, in his best performance) is confronted not only by what he has done, but also whether he could have done more to save Jews from the nightmares of the Holocaust; "Private Ryan" ends on the question of how people must live to justify others' sacrifice on their behalf.
The third-season premiere of "Duck Dynasty" did extraordinary numbers for A&E, reportedly topping even some broadcast-network shows among young-adult viewers. You can backtrack on the beard-laden phenomenon with the Tuesday release of "Duck Dynasty: Season 2 Volume 1."
In case you're looking for Oscar winners: "Argo," winner of the Academy Award for both best picture and best adapted screenplay (by Chris Terrio), is currently available on Blu-ray and DVD. So is a documentary feature "Searching for Sugar Man." "Life of Pi," from best-director winner Ang Lee, will be on DVD, Blu-ray and 3-D Blu-ray on March 12. "Django Unchained" (best supporting actor, Christoph Waltz, and original screenplay, Quentin Tarantino) arrives April 16, "Les Miserables" (best supporting actress, Anne Hathaway) is due March 22. "Lincoln," with best actor Daniel Day-Lewis, still has not announced a release date, nor has "Silver Linings Playbook" (best actress, Jennifer Lawrence).


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Never done any drugs except salvia once to try it. Theres a reason behind not doing anything. When I was in 8th grade my brother got into a car accident and got busted for drug possession. Ever since that happened ive always trie to stay away frmo it. I do hookah every now and then. I have always thought of smoking pot but never actually did it and hope to keep it that way. I do drink at parties however.
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Princess, a resident camel at a New Jersey zoo, is somewhat of a genius when it comes to picking the Super Bowl winner. She is 6-1 all-time, better than most so-called experts.
When Princess picks, we listen.
The method to this madness is a zoo keeper fills both hands with graham crackers and then Princess choses which hand, Baltimore or San Francisco.
Fans of the 'Charm City' should be happy to hear that she went with the Ravens.
It's a done deal. We can now just air Kate Upton commercials the entire time, or any one of these other sure to be funny/sexy ads.
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The Baby Gizmo Buying Guide was created around one very simple premise: Baby shopping makes ordinarily sane women absolutely out-of-their-heads crazy bonkers. I myself can recall spending at least two hours trying to decide on the right changing pad cover. To say nothing of the perfect bottle drying rack.
The perfect bottle drying rack. Like I said. Bonkers.
This very comprehensive resource comes courtesy of savvy sisters Heather McClean and Hollie Schultz, who edit the Baby Gizmo product review site that CMP has already raved about. Let's just say they know a lot of stuff about a lot of stuff.
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Crescent Venus
Here we see the crescent Moon rising over the serene Residencia at ESO's Paranal Observatory. Next to the Moon Venus, the morning star, is also visible in the sky, and an array of ESO telescopes, now quiet after a night of observing, can be seen in the distance.
While too small to be seen on this image, Venus has different phases, similar to those of the Moon. We see Venus as a disc when Venus is creeping around the back of the Sun as seen from Earth — the Sun's rays hit the face of Venus that is facing the Earth, and the image of this full face is reflected back to us. The crescent phase occurs when Venus emerges from behind the Sun into the part of its orbit that lies between the Earth and the Sun and progressively less of the surface is directly illuminated as seen from Earth. As Venus continues its march around the Sun, the crescent wanes, leaving just a sliver illuminated by sunlight. Until Venus reaches conjunction and disappears from our view before emerging as a thin, but waxing, crescent to start the cycle of phases once again.
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Abel Trujillo and Jamie Varner engaged in the "Fight of the Night" Saturday at UFC 169.
For their efforts, both fighters were dealt 30-day medical suspensions by the New Jersey Athletic Commission. Trujillo won via second round knockout.
Eight others were medically suspended, including indefinite suspensions for Nick Catone, Tom Watson, Kevin Lee, Rashid Magomedov and Tony Martin. Catone posted on Twitter that he tore his ACL during his fight with Tom Watson.
Below are the complete medical suspensions:
Abel Trujillo suspended for 30 days with no contact.
Jamie Varner suspended for 30 days for knockout loss, also received an indefinite suspension pending a CT head scan, as well as a neurological evaluation.
John Makdessi suspended for 60 days for facial lacerations.
Nick Catone suspended indefinitely pending orthopedic clearance of left knee.
Tom Watson suspended indefinitely pending orthopedic clearance of his right elbow, as well as orthopedic clearance of his right foot.
Al Iaquinta suspended for 30 days for a left lateral brow laceration, and suspended indefinitely pending orthopedic evaluation of his right knee
Kevin Lee suspended indefinitely pending ophthalmological clearance, as well as a CT scan of his facial bones.
Rashid Magomedov suspended indefinitely pending an x-ray of his left foot.
Tony Martin suspended indefinitely pending an MRI of his left knee.
Neil Magny suspended for 30 days with no contact, and also received an indefinite suspension pending an x-ray of his skull and sinuses.