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March 2nd, 2007, 02:01 PM | #101 |
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We don't want you to be saved for our sake, we want you to be saved for yours. I am not putting you down or judging you, we look at it as if someone had the cure for cancer you would want them to share it right. I don't look down on non-christians, agnostics, atheists or whatever you may be, it just that I have something in my life that I think people should take a look at. God says in the Bible that He would love it if everyone believed in Him but He knows that is not to happen. Like I said, I am not here to judge or preach, I am simply explaining. It's not that my life as a christian is perfect, it is just better than it was before I was saved.
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March 2nd, 2007, 05:52 PM | #102 | |
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Do a google search on jesus pics and you would be amazed at what you see. |
March 2nd, 2007, 09:51 PM | #103 |
web wheeling, hard.
Done that plenty of times Mike. I agree that people try to beautify Jesus. But he was a carpenter, he worked with his hands. I doubt he was without caluses and that he straightened his pretty hair every day. I am with you, that is not a clear representation. The Bible itself says that Jesus had an ordinary appearance, there was nothing out of the ordinary about how he looked. He was Jewish, so he probably had a big nose like everyone else. And he was middle eastern, so he probably had some wicked eyebrows, ask me how I know! But again, all this is insignificant.
I had a lengthy discussion last night with a friend of mine who does not have faith, and his whole thing is not being sure if the Scriptures are accurate, well, not so much if the translation went well, but if the words belonged to God in the first place. Even if they did not belong to God and were not under his influence, the men who wrote these accounts still were eye witnesses to the actual events. So their testimony is still there regardless of inspiration. Now obviously I believe that God is big enough to compose a book and that he did that with the Bible, but motives can still be analyzed on the men who penned those words. My point is this, regardless of your belief on God's inspiration of the Bible, the first hand account of the life of Jesus is still there, and the accounts are historically accurate. And that leads each one of us to ask ourselves if this Jesus was who he said he was. |
March 3rd, 2007, 01:51 PM | #106 |
do i look old !
Its amazing to me how those who bieleve in a " myth " with no prof so easily dissmis any thing that may argue there point . Only there myth counts .
Many relgious folks have said to me " it requires faith " thats translated too . You must over look any facts to the contrary and you must also bieleve in what can not be proven . I call that buying BS |
March 3rd, 2007, 03:24 PM | #107 | |
web wheeling, hard.
If I was ignoring the claim of the tomb, I would avoid a discussion based upon it. I am WELCOMING a discussion of it. I find REASON to believe in the story of the resurrection, but NO reason to believe that the tomb found in 1980 belonged to Jesus Christ. So what facts are being overlooked Marv? Be specific. |
March 3rd, 2007, 04:17 PM | #108 |
do i look old !
No prof eh? Maybe you skipped right to page six?
Matter of fact i did skip right to page six , plus i posted just to wind your crank Dave .:tonka: Heres a beer to make up |
March 3rd, 2007, 04:36 PM | #109 |
web wheeling, hard.
It better be full bodied. And thanks for the wind, I have been far too easy going today.
Oh, and here is what SCHOLARS are saying, not people who are trying to capitolize on the davinci code: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...nation/science |
March 4th, 2007, 10:14 PM | #110 |
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anyone see the jeep CJ in the jesus tomb program?
Also some other facts: http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/06/18/jesus.box/ Anyone notice how the conclusion of what the tomb was existed before the investigation began? They were on a mission to prove it was the tomb of Jesus instead of looking at the facts and letting them speak for themselves. There were a ton of holes in the entire study, limited testing on family relations, limited options granted towards family relations, partially quoted (read: muzzled) experts, exaggerated results from testing, unrealistic data base of 4th century "gospel", and so on. There are reasons to believe that part of the tomb was staged, and reason to believe that motive on pre-conclusions are dollar based. Sketchy science and strechy conclusions to say the least, IMO. Last edited by Dave Kerwin; March 4th, 2007 at 10:36 PM. |
March 5th, 2007, 09:00 AM | #111 |
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Here's another nail in the coffin. HA HA HA, I made a Jesus pun!
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March 5th, 2007, 07:01 PM | #112 |
I put the Ick in Dick.
Dave I give you props for going all out but you took religion a little too far and you didn't get the message.
If there is one thing that God wants, it is for us to just live our lives. By forcing religion on people you are in fact going against everything God and Jesus stood for. Unfortunately people like you don't see that and thus on judgment day you will likely not be a happy soul as you stand before your your lord savior. Walk the path, show them the path, let them follow you walking the path is a decision each man must make on his own Born and raised Roman Catholic, later in life I also studied Methodist, Lutheran, and Baptist. I currently follow no single way of practicing religion. |
March 6th, 2007, 09:20 AM | #113 |
web wheeling, hard.
I am debating a tomb that was claimed to belong to Jesus, not creating a discussion telling people why they need be a christian. Sorry to hear of your frustration, but perhaps you can take a dose of your own medicine and not force your beliefs on me. Back to your regularly sheduled, non-religious forcing, debate about the fake tomb of Jesus.
So no one watched the documentary sunday night eh? Last edited by Dave Kerwin; March 6th, 2007 at 09:32 AM. |
March 14th, 2007, 08:33 AM | #114 |
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March 14th, 2007, 01:40 PM | #116 | |
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kerry what your not getting is that this is one man's thoughts. same as the other guys . |
March 15th, 2007, 10:39 AM | #117 |
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Unless you've been living in a box at the bottom of the sea with only a dwindling amount of air and a copy of Philip Roth's The Breast for company, you would have heard that unknown fantasy writer and Dresden Doll groupie Neil Gaiman (just look on your bookshelves and DVD collection) has written an episode for Series 6 of Doctor Who- and it promises to be something quite special.
So special in fact SFX have been chatting to episode producer Marcus Wilson (Life on Mars) about just how special (and it will be special- I'd bet my Sandman bookends on it) it will actually be.
The inception of the episode was troubled by budgetary constraints but now in the flush, affulent year of 2011 the episode was ressurected, given a polish, spell-checked and printed out on the finest, whitest paper for production staff to commence and finish filming- and Marcus is quite pleased with the results:
"It's an episode that involves quite a big sprawl, huge alien world locations and a new take on a familiar character, which required a lot of work. It's a big episode, but I think it'll be one the fans will love. It's a real love letter to the fans.â€
Not finished with being generally pleased Marcus also went on to praise his boss, Steven Moffat, for his work on the opening American two parter:
The way Steven's written the script is that it's very much the feel of an Englishman abroad – it's the Doctor's take on America, so it's seen through that lens. With the script as your guide you couldn't help but have a British reaction to the environment.
They took us to places they were taking a bit for granted, saying, 'Oh, you'll want to see this, you'll want to see that,' and we were going, 'Wow, this is like the movies of our childhood.' Toby was doing a location recce, saying, 'That's where they did Raiders Of The Lost Ark! That's where they did The Searchers!' There's almost a mythic quality to some of the locations. Monument Valley was just stunning.â€
Famous fantasy writers, locations recalling childhood memories burned into our retina's for all time, a distinctly British feel- no wonder Marcus is pleased as punch with the results.
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One thing that might make life a little bit easier for me personally, and might affect others who are doing this as well...I use the Tag column as a means of sorting tasks in the order that I want to complete them any given day. The only issue with that is, I'm a busy guy, and beyond 10 tasks, I wind up using letters to sort for that day versus numbers. BECAUSE after 10, if you use 11, 12, 13, they wind up sorting next to the 1, not the 10. It's a problem, but I'm wondering if this is an easy fix for the developers at ToodleDo? No problem for me using letters instead of numbers until I hit days with repeating tasks where I've already used numbers (numbers take priority over letters btw). I've got ToodleDo down exactly where I like and need it to be, this is about the ONLY thing that would make it perfect. Thanks for listening. |
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Icahn's Federal-Mogul Seeks $3.05 Billion of Debt to Refinance
Christine IdzelisFederal-Mogul Corp., the auto-parts supplier controlled by billionaire Carl Icahn, is seeking $3.05 billion of debt to refinance.
The funding will consist of a $1.75 billion term loan, a $550 million revolving credit line and $750 million of senior notes, the company said today in a regulatory filing.
Federal-Mogul had $2.8 billion outstanding under its existing credit pact at the end of March, including a $1.9 billion term loan B due next year and a $950 million term loan C that matures in 2015, according to the filing.
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The company, based in Southfield, Michigan, said it expects to complete the refinancing "shortly after" selling $500 million of shares under a rights offering that began on June 7.
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Eligible for draft: 2008 | Shoots: Right |
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2007-08: Jace Coyle posted 1 goal and 8 assists in 52 games with the Spokane Chiefs. Was traded to Medicine Hat in the off-season.
2008-09: Posted 8 goals, 16 assists, 74 PIM, and a minus-13 in 72 games with Medicine Hat.
2009-10: Posted 10 goals and 36 assists in 68 games with Medicine Hat of the WHL. Also posted a plus-14 rating and 64 PIM. Posted 3 goals and 1 assists in 12 playoff games. Signed an entry-level deal with the Dallas Stars in July 2010.
2010-11: Finished his overage season with the Medicine Hat Tigers with 22 assists, 28 points and a plus-18 rating in 49 games. He came up with a huge performance for the Tigers in the postseason, registering 15 points (to lead all club d-men by more than double, fourth on the club overall) in 15 games. Additionally, those 15 points were third among all Western League defensemen. Saw copious amounts of power play time.
2011-12: Coyle split his first pro season between Dallas affiliates Texas (AHL) and Idaho (ECHL). Coyle saw limited ice time with the Texas Stars – appearing in 48 games – and was minus-ten with 1 goal, 4 assists and 6 penalty minutes. Texas missed the AHL playoffs after finishing last in the West Division. Coyle was loaned to Idaho for three games in December and spent most of January with the Steelheads. In 13 ECHL games he was minus-three with 2 assists and had 10 penalty minutes.
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Smooth skating offensive defenseman that can quarterback a power play to some degree. Speedy puck rusher whose right-handed shot is an asset with the man advantage. Shies away from physical contact even at the junior level. Needs to improve his positioning, he won't be able to "recover" as well at faster levels. Plays a pretty laissez-faire defensive game which makes him a tough sell at even strength. Questionable decision maker.
Potential: AHL offensive defenseman.
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Lieutenant Branson was a Starfleet officer assigned to the USS Enterprise-E in 2379, on which he served as helm officer.
Branson was on duty when Captain Picard ordered the Enterprise to Romulus in response to an overture of peace from newly-installed Praetor Shinzon. This overture, however, was ultimately revealed to be a ruse by Shinzon, in order to capture Captain Picard and perform a complete blood transfusion from him in order to save his own life.
In the subsequent battle in the Bassen Rift, Branson was killed when a photon torpedo fired from Shinzon's ship, the Scimitar, breached the forward bulkhead of the Enterprise's bridge, the explosive decompression blowing him out into space. (Star Trek Nemesis)
Branson was played by actor Michael Owen and was named by screenwriter John Logan for his friend Donna Branson.
In the TNG-relaunch novel Q&A, in an alternate timeline, Branson survived the battle with the Scimitar and continued to serve aboard the Enterprise into 2380.
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Despite the title, this post isn't only about food. But I'm starting out on a butternutty note:
A couple of Fridays ago, I made a terrific salad inspired by this recipe from Martha Stewart Living. I'd never considered eating butternut squash raw. I really dug it. My salad also included chunks of cooked beets and micro beet greens.
I made several variations of the salad over the following week. One time, I included the shaved carrot called for in the recipe in addition to the shaved squash. And at least once, I substituted pine nuts* for the sunflower seeds.
I put a pinch of ginger in the citrusy dressing that first time. Another time, I added cloves.
For the main course after that original salad, I made veal cutlets (the meat came from a farmer at the Union Square Greenmarket) seasoned with Penzeys Bavarian Seasoning (brown mustard, rosemary, garlic, thyme, bay leaves, and sage) and carrots roasted in blood orange juice, grapeseed oil, and, if I remember correctly, Penzeys Bangkok Blend (ancho chili pepper, garlic, ginger, Tellicherry black pepper, galangal, crushed red pepper, lemon grass, cayenne, paprika, basil, and cilantro). I got a really nice crust on the cutlets. Tony thought they were out of this world.
Dad and Granny stayed with the nephews a week ago while Tracey and David were on vacay in Puerto Rico. I paid a visit on Saturday and Sunday.
The 'phews made chicken parmigiana with homemade marinara and a salad for dinner on Saturday. It was delicious.
The only gripe I had is that I would have liked some pasta on the side. Even after everyone let me eat the extra piece of chicken, I was still hungry. I'm a growing boy! :-)
Here's a shot of the guys working their chicken-breading assembly line.
I had thought about making some cookies to take with me, but they existed only as a thought. I did take a very good Italian red wine: the 2008 Azienda Agricola La Torre di Luigi Anania Ampelio, which I purchased from MCF Rare Wine. I had asked for something that would go well with chicken parm because I knew M&M were going to be making it for dinner, and the wine did pair quite nicely with the supper. Dad enjoyed it too. I'll be buying more so the Tonester can try it.
As usual whenever I hang out with M&M, we played video games. This time, the focus was on Lego Batman 2 for the Wii. I had fun with this game even though the controls were complex and I sometimes didn't know what I was doing.
We also played Muggins—the game of luck and ... paying attention—with Dad. Mike won, but Matt said he felt like he won because he called a Muggins on me. :-)
Gran didn't want to play cards with us. Earlier in the day, she had told me that she had been keeping an eye on this pile of snow.
That night, we got a coating of snow that made the pile seem less lonely.
While Granny entertained herself by watching snow melt—or not melt—I took a bunch of selfies with my third-favorite dog, Molly.
Michael told the story of how he pretty much saved the life of a junior he's teamed up with in his cooking class at school. This goofball was going to wash a hand mixer while it was still plugged in! Mike said No! and filled the clueless guy in.
Chelsea Market is displaying a series of photos by Dolly Faibyshev taken at dog shows. I snapped my own photos of the two photos of bassets that I saw. The description of the first one calls them bloodhounds. Not with those short legs, they ain't!
Last week, I was jonesing for lemon bars, so I searched the web for a gluten-free and dairy-free recipe and settled on this one, from the blog called smashed peas and carrots. They turned out like lemon bars are expected to look, and they had the right texture, but the lemon flavor just didn't come through for me. I decided to try making them again on Sunday with some tweaking of the recipe. I added some xanthan gum to the crust to see what that would do. The biggest difference was, I added some salt to both the crust and the lemon topping. I hadn't noticed the first time that the recipe hadn't called for any. I also incorporated some lemon zest into the topping and sprinkled the bars with powdered sugar at the end. I liked them better this time. Predictably, Tony preferred the first attempt.
For dinner on Sunday night, I made roast chicken with butternut squash puree seasoned with Penzeys Chinese Five Spice Powder. The chicken was done in a Peruvian style, loosely based on this recipe that Tony liked the look of, with lime juice, Penzeys Tuscan Sunset (because it has a lot of oregano in it, and I couldn't find any plain oregano in our cabinet), and garlic. (Yeah, we use a lot of Penzeys herbs and spices. Especially this time of year, when we can't get fresh stuff from the Greenmarket or our own garden.)
On Tuesday evening, Tony and I went to a wine tasting called Planet Bordeaux: A Goldmine of Wines. We enjoyed ourselves.
I was surprised at how much more I tended to enjoy the white wines than the reds. Tony said that was because of the low price point of the wines; just about all of them retail for less than $20.
Sadly, a good number of the wines we tried aren't sold in New York at all. Our favorite red, the all-merlot 2010 L'Esprit Couvent 100 Pur Cent, isn't available anywhere in the U.S.
Our favorite white was the first wine we tried: the 2011 Cheval Quancard Réserve Bordeaux Blanc. It was vibrant and playful, with notes of coconut and citrus. It's not available in the city either, and wine-searcher said it's not available anywhere online. Sigh.
I see that another white we enjoyed a lot, the 2012 Dourthe La Grande Cuvee Bordeaux Blanc, is available at Sherry-Lehmann for only 12 smackers. I'll try to hunt down some other ones that we enjoyed, even if they aren't our top picks.
Here I am at the end of the tasting, with a bottle and a glass of the L'Esprit Couvent.
That bottle was in a group of wines in the middle of the room that had been set aside as winners of a film-making competition. A friendly straight couple told us that that was the one to try among the group, and we're very glad they told us that. We, in turn, recommended it to a couple of women who wandered over that way as we were preparing to move on to another table.
After we'd tasted just about everything there was to taste, we had dinner at Rosa Mexicano. I got beef enchiladas, and Tony got duck tacos. As always, the food at RM was winning.
Here's my special guy with his pato platter.
The next night, I made turkey burgers using the usual mix of light and dark meat from DiPaola Turkey Farm that I spiced the hell out of. I added garlic, Penzeys Bangkok, paprika, and a little canola oil to prevent the burgers from drying out and blowing away. Plus some shallots in the pan toward the end of cooking. The burgers rocked the house, except for maybe a little too much salt. Tony said that they were better than the food at Rosa the night before. Yeah, the boy likes my cooking. :-)
*I got the pine nuts at buon Italia in Chelsea Market. They were crazy expensive, but we're leery of buying pine nuts whose provenance is unknown because Tony once lost his sense of taste for a week after eating them. It looks as though pine nuts from a tree whose nuts are inedible, Pinus armandii, are the culprit. I also bought some sundried tomatoes at BI that turned out to be incredibly salty. Soaking them in water for several hours helped a bit but not as much as I'd hoped.


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TUCSON, Ariz. - It is now 30 years since Steve Cady wrote in The New York Times, "The economics of supply and demand dictate the tight control over Thoroughbred breeding. If artificial insemination were permitted, hundreds of sons and daughters of famous sires could be foaled each year. Presumably, that would dilute the price."
It is 25 years since Whitney Tower wrote, in the late, lamented Classic magazine, "Curiously, the very rule of The Jockey Club that covers live breeding grants leeway for an approved form of AI when it says, 'Natural cover includes, for the purpose of this paragraph, the immediate reinforcement of the stallion's service by a portion of the ejaculate produced by the stallion during such cover.' " He was referring to an artificial insemination practice politely called "incapsulation."
It is six years since a Blood-Horse chart on the pros and cons of artificial insemination listed one of the cons as "Creates over-expanded book," and it is also six years since Jonathon Irwin, a member of the Irish Thoroughbred Breeders Association, wrote, "As none of the authorities are presently prepared to initiate a limit on the number of mares covered by any one stallion, their attitude toward AI can hardly be guided by a desire to, in some way, protect the breed. . . . Why should the breed be restricted to old-fashioned and expensive practices when the number of mares being covered manually is really only in line with the worst fears of the anti-AI lobby?"
It is only three months since John Sparkman wrote in Thoroughbred Times about "the glacial pace of change in the tradition-bound Thoroughbred breeding industry." He concluded: "Sticking our head in the sand is not an acceptable response."
And it is only two weeks since I read that Thunder Gulch, the leading sire of Thoroughbred money winners in 2001 and sire of the Horse of the Year, Point Given, had covered 371 mares in shuttle service between the United States and Australia.
When I read about Thunder Gulch and eight other Thoroughbred stallions that covered more than 200 mares last year, I called John Gaines, who knows both sides of the artificial insemination argument, having been a major breeder in both Thoroughbred and harness racing, and asked him if Thunder Gulch and his busy counterparts could cover that many mares with natural cover.
"Oh sure," he told me. "In fact, some people believe that breeding a stallion every day helps his libido."
Thunder Gulch obviously is one virile stud. But he is not alone.
David Schmitz, who wrote about Thunder Gulch in The Blood-Horse, noted that Honour and Glory covered 292 mares last year; Fusaichi Pegasus covered 273; High Yield, 271; King of Kings, 233; Langfuhr, 218; Spinning World, 208; More Than Ready, 203; and Lion Cavern, 201. And if you add stallions shuttling between Japan and Australia, you will find that Fuji Kiseki covered 308 mares in 2001 and nine other stallions covered 100 or more.
Mr. Gaines, discussing artificial insemination, acknowledged its superiority in mare safety, protection against venereal disease, cleanliness, and efficiency. But he pointed out the tremendous swing it creates between highly successful and established stallions and young stallions, including sons of successful stallions, who would be denied opportunities to cover the best mares.
Aside from shuttling between hemispheres in transoceanic jets, how can top Thoroughbred studs now cover hundreds of mares when formerly their books were 40 or so?
Gaines said the answer is the same as it was when he was breeding studs 60 times and being criticized for it: better management of broodmares. "We palpated the mares morning, noon, and night to determine the precise time of ovulation, and then bred them," he said, adding that scientific and management techniques have improved vastly since that time. So have artificial insemination skills, which allow for just the precise timing that Mr. Gaines speaks about.
Thoroughbred breeders must know of the health benefits of artificial insemination. Any veterinarian can list them. So the question lingers: If it makes sense to protect mares and stallions from injury and disease, and top studs now are breeding 200, 300, and in some cases nearly 400 mares a year, why not use artificial insemination?
The answer, it seems, is that logic does not spend much time in the breeding shed, while hidebound, stubborn tradition hangs out there round the clock.


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RIPLEY – Jackson County Superintendent of Schools Blaine Hess has received a favorable evaluation from members of the Jackson County Board of Education.
Hess is completing his seventh year as superintendent.
The board completed its evaluation of Hess at its June 6, 2013 meeting. Following an evaluation conference with Hess, BOE president Steve Wedge released the following statement, "The Board has concluded that Superintendent Hess has met or exceeded all standards set forth for him by the Jackson County Board of Education."
Prior to his employment as superintendent in 2006, Hess served as Director of Secondary Education for Jackson County Schools. In addition to his responsibilities as superintendent, Hess is a member of the WV Association of School Administrators Executive Committee in his capacity as past president of the organization.
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Operation Tupac is the existing codename of an ongoing cold war military intelligence contingency program run by the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency, active since the 1980s. The program has a three-part action plan for covert support of militancy in Indian-held Kashmir. It was authorized and initiated by order of the President of Pakistan Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq in 1988, after the failure of "Operation Gibraltar" to gain control of the territory.[1][2][3]
The designation is derived from Tupac Amaru II, the 18th-century revolutionary who led the war of liberation in Peru against the Spanish rule.[4] The program is thought to be remain active as the ISI is currently engaged in covertly supporting the Kashmiri militants in their fight against the Indian authorities in Kashmir.[4]
The objectives of Operation Tupac were; a) to disintegrate India; b) to utilize the spy network to act as an instrument of sabotage; c) to exploit porous borders with Nepal and Bangladesh to set up bases and conduct operations.[5][6]
ISI was reported to have spent ₨. 2.4 crore per month to sponsor its activities in Kashmir.[1] Though all the militant groups received funding the Pro Pakistani groups were reportedly favored.[1] Under this program, the ISI helped create 6 militant groups in Kashmir including Lashkar-e-Taiba.[2][7] American Intelligence officials believe ISI continues to provide protection and share intelligence with Lashkar-e-Taiba.[7]
See also[edit]
- ^ a b c Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Federation of American Scientists
- ^ a b Does Obama understand his biggest foreign-policy challenge?, Salon.com, 2008-12-12
- ^ Khan, Mukhtar (9 January 2009). "India's Sikh Militants Forming Ties with Lashkar-e-Taiba and Pakistani Intelligence" (PDF). The Jamestown Foundation. Retrieved 24 July 2010.
- ^ a b Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, GlobalSecurity.org
- ^ Daily Describes Activities of ISI in India, Federation of American Scientists, 1999-06-30
- ^ Pakistan's ISI: The Invisible Government, Sean P. Winchell .International Journal of Intelligence and CounterIntelligence, Volume 16, Issue 3 July 2003 , pages 374 - 388
- ^ a b Pakistani Militants Admit Role in Siege, Official Says, The New York Times, 2009-01-01
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Q&A: Adam X On Being Known As A Producer Instead Of A DJ, The Importance Of Mixing It Up, And Berlin's Energy
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Born Adam Mitchell in Coney Island, Brooklyn, techno and industrial producer Adam X was one of the key architects of the early '90s New York rave scene. With his older brother, Frankie Boneswho famously brought the British rave template to Brooklyn, throwing parties in old warehouses and other out-of-the-way venuesAdam X was part of the Storm Rave crew, and the day-to-day manager of Groove Records in Brooklyn, the first all-techno record store in the U.S. (It was later renamed Sonic Groove after moving to Manhattan.) By the end of the '90s, Adam was an established rave headliner and, thanks to his hard acid and furious techno track making (see 1992's "Lost in Hell") and DJing (the 1999 mix Wax Trax MasterMix Volume 2).
By the early 2000s, though, Adam grew disenchanted with the scenejust as party crackdowns began around the U.S. in earnest. Creatively, he made a lateral drift over to industrial, or EBM (electronic body music), where his rough style fit right in. But he began to get the techno itch again a few years ago, not long after leaving Brooklyn (where he still owns, and rents out, an apartment) for Berlin, like so many other dance-music pros. There, Adam began a sneak return to techno's front lines by issuing a series of acclaimed 12-inches under the pseudonym Traversable Wormhole, telling almost no one for a year. Once the dots were connected, it was only somewhat of a surpriseno-nonsense techno was always Adam X's highest calling.
This weekend, Adam and Frankie play together for the first time in two years at National Underground. Adam spoke with SOTC at a diner in Kensington, Brooklyn, where he enjoyed a strawberry milkshake.
You were never big into drugs, right?
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So was the "X" in your name a science-fiction kind of alias?
More like in Malcolm X. "X" is just that unknown letter, a letter that's not really used a lot in the English vocabulary. Of course, if you go to somewhere like Malta in the Mediterranean, every letter's an X, and if you look at Roman numerals it's all X, V and L. I also got it from a Fred Flintstone cartoon, believe it or not: In one episode he winds up on some island. Fred and Barney are trapped and there's this woman, Madame X. It always stuck with me because people used to say "Madam Adam" when I was a kid at school, just kids teasing. But it was never related to drugs, because in the early days of the rave scene we never called Ecstasy "X," we called it "E."
That was the English thing.
Yeah. On the West Coast they were calling it "X," but in New York we always called it "E."
Do you think of yourself more as a DJ or a producer?
If you'd asked me that question 20 years ago I probably would've said a DJ, but now it's a producer. I love DJing, but when I'm dead and buried I want to be known as a musician and producer, more than the DJ aspect. Of course, I want to be known as a DJ as well.
Is it safe to say that DJing pays the bills and producing is more artistically fulfilling?
I think in this day and age you have to make music to get the gigs. You can't really just come out and start spinning: not many people can pull that off. Very few people have done that in the last few years in the techno scene, just making their name from DJing and getting gigs from it. When I first came up you could do that, and that's how I did do it, but I also was making records. But now if I don't have any records out I watch my gigs decline, because you have to constantly be producing and getting your name out there and getting records out.
How long did you use the alias Traversable Wormhole before you said who it was?
Probably about a year.
You "outed" yourself in a Resident Advisor interview in January 2010.
Yes, and the first [Traversable Wormhole 12-inches] came out in March 2009. Let me saythere were five records that came out during that period. I put out a rapid succession of them.
Does that tie into what you just said about DJ gigs? Did you have an easier time once your name came out as the guy behind Traversable?
Yeah. I think in the beginning people didn't really know how to book it. I had the MySpace page set up, and I wasn't really pushing for the gigs. It was really the first person that actually contacted for a gig on there was [xx], and they didn't know that it was me when they booked it I wound up telling him after he confirmed it with my booking agent. It was "By the way, did you know that was me?" [laughs]
Wow. So you kept it from nearly everyone.
Yeah, there were only ever a couple of people who knew. Some people from [Berlin dance-record shop] Hardwax knew...
Was Finn Johannsen [the Hardwax employee who conducted the RA interview] one of them?
No, Finn knew a little later. Actually the first guy who knew about it was Torsten, who works at Hardwaxhe [records as] T++, and he worked with Monolake for a whilebecause he's the buyer there, so he was giving me the support I needed.
To go back to the beginning a bit, what kind of music were you playing as a DJ during the early STORM Raves?
We were playing a mixture: the British stuff, because in the beginning, in '90, when I first got into it, I was really always into the Sheffield sound, the Warp stuff, bass and beeps. Warp wasn't the only label doing it. There was Network, Chill Records, Ozone: There was a handful of labels that were making this kind of bleepy techno. I always loved that stuff, but at the same time I loved the Belgian shit, the hard beat Frank De Wulf, R&S stuff. So we mixed it all together. But we also played the London stuff. My brother is the pioneer of the breakbeats for techno, [which is] of course a lot of the precursor to drum and bass, or all that U.K. hardcore stuff. We used to play a lot of that as well.
You're well known for playing hard acid and very rough techno. Did you ever play gabber, like Lenny Dee?
No. I could play it. Did I ever drop a gabber record in my set? Yeah. But no, I could never consider myself a gabber DJ. I played hardcore. I play hardcore acid. I always said I play harder than gabber. I could play a 160 BPM, most distorted acid track where everything's just fucking rhythmic fucking noise, techno acid shit, [laughs] the darkest, evillest shit. What I played at a party, after all that shit, heads would be getting melted. [laughs]
Even though the warehouse scene died in '94, the [New York techno] scene got really fucking good. It got better because it got these guys and this kind of professional level of working. They could pay a decent fee to DJs and they were down to bring in really good talent from Europe or from the States. There was a lot of really great parties in that period. I think from the point from the [beginning of the] '90s to, I'd say, '98 techno was fucking amazing in New York.
Did it stop being amazing generally, or just for you?
For the sceneI think for everything, actually. It was so strong, the techno thing. The amount of records [Sonic Groove was] selling was crazy, man. Christian Vogel came out in '95 with Absolute Time; I think we sold 200 copies of the double-pack. It was a great, great period. That '95-'96-'97 period was some of the best techno, real techno. You could still play that shit now, a lot of that stuff is still good: early Surgeon, Regis, Christian Vogel. I hear people when I'm in Berlin, people playing these tracks out all of the time, still. I just heard Regis the other night at Tresor. Beltram was coming out with Places on Tresor. And Pulsegrind on JB3there was so much good stuff that's timeless.
By '98-'99, you had the problems with the rave scene with the cracking down. You had a problem with techno. The market was flooded with all this loop techno stuff that was all sounding redundant. All these companies in England like Integral and Prime. All these distribution companies that were doing all these pressing-and-distribution deals with labels. They were just over-flooding the market with these fucking basic loop tracks. It was nothing more than a loop. I felt like the whole scene was just crashing: Musically, the people, the interest in people going out. As 2000 came, things started going more into different things, like electroclash.
There was a real backlash against techno right then.
I was so bored of it, man. I was looking for something new. Me and my brother were always going out secondhand-record shopping, around the tri-state areaPennsylvania, Connecticutbecause we did big business for the second hand records in the shop. We had the best collection of classics, and by getting them, you'd have to drive over to the ghetto neighborhoods in Philly for classic disco records. We were always doing crazy missions. So I just got more into secondhand collecting and was getting into Italodisco. I wanted something new. It didn't have to be totally new in sound. It just had to be something that you weren't already doing.
Is that what led you back to EBM?
That's what it was. I got into the Italo thing. I know a lot of these records from when I was kid. But the other records it was like, "This is great! These bass lines!" Then all of a sudden you listen to them, it's all this cheesy shit: "Aw, fuck, it just killed the whole record."
And then the EBM just camea Clock DVA record just changed my game. It introduced me to another scene. With EBM and industrial music, there's as many different elements like techno. It has as many different subgenres in it. And then this girl that I knew was playing this rhythmic noise stuff, which was new at the timethis new form of industrial for the last 15 yearsand it's techno. It's like Aphex Twin stuff in the early 90's, but more industrial. I found the niche that I was looking for, while everybody was doing their minimal thing. I was even trying to break some of this music in the techno scene. Now it works! [laughs] It only took 10 years.
Younger DJ's are more likely to throw in anything, even something that is not really even related, as long as they can mix in and out of itand not always then, either. That's not altogether new, but it's more common now. It seems like younger kids are not as much like, "I have to define my style."
I think it's probably better, actually. I like versatile DJing. It's versatile like it was in the early 90's, like I described before: you'd play Detroit techno, [break]beats, stuff from Londonit was very mixed up. I guess I'm more of a purist these days. Sometimes when I go to Berghain, everybody's playing techno all night. That bores me. I want to hear maybe some good acid-house track or something. Break it up, slow it down, throw a breakbeat in it.
A progression?
Totally, man. It's got to have peaks and valleys. It's one thing, because I grow up here in a culture where you have a one-hour DJ set. You go to a rave, it's like wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am, and you go home, right? But in Berlin, since I've been living there, now I'm used to playing three hours. I'm at the point where I'm telling people when they book me now, here, I want to playI just tell them the fee, and if they think it's too high, I'll tell you what, I'll play four hours. Don't book somebody else, and then you can pay me the little extra, because I would prefer to pay more.
Exactly. So, now that I get a chance to play these little DJ sets I have more of a chance to really build up and slow down and just move it all around, make it a little more unison, you know?
You went to Berlin in 2007. What prompted that?
Time for change: I had enough. I closed the store in October 2004. There wasn't enough [DJ work]. You had so many problems in the States with this music. Couldn't have a shop anymore, not enough gigs to play. How do you pay the bills in New York, when you own an apartment, when you own a car? I tried to work in real estate for a while. I never stopped doing what I was doing. I was taking gigs and I was pushing it just as hard, but I did part-time [work] being a real estate broker. I didn't really like the hustle. I felt like everybody was lying in that business. I'm not a liar; I'm very truthful with people. I'm honest. I was like, "I'm making some money here and I've been able to maintain for a minute but this is not what I want to do."
Then I happened to go to Europe to do a little bit of tour and when I was in Berlin I hadn't played there in many years and when I was leaving... I stayed there for a few days and when I left to go back to the airport something just said to me I don't want to go home. And I'd never had that feeling before. I always got homesick when I traveled. I always loved New York. I couldn't be without this place. After a week or two I'd go, "I've got to go home, get back." That was the first time I was like I don't want to leave. I said when I was leaving I was like, "I've got to come back here. This is the place. I need to be here."
I'm curious about the social energy of Berlin when you got there. Things had already been picking up for awhile. The great techno surge of everybody moving to Berlin had started happening by that point. Was that part of the attraction, just being a lot of creative people?
Yeah, of course: besides that, I just like the freedom of the city, the fact that I could go out every night of the week and I could go paint the graffiti. I could do whatever I want. I could drink on the street. All the stuff that I grew up [with], that I could do when I was young without having the police breathing down my neck on every little thing, the fact that it was so cheap there that you could [make] your music without stress, without compromise, without fucking worrying about anything. I could make enough money to live there comfortably without having the stress. It was just the constant stress to do my art, to do what I do. And I didn't want to have any restrictions on me anymore. That was one of the reasons I moved there. [Another is] the fact that it was a pretty international city with people that I knew people from everywhere: I knew the Hardwax guys for many years, different people I knew for years and years.
To be honest with you, when I went there it wasn't really a good time for what I was into because it was more minimal techno: There wasn't much real techno being made when I got out there. Actually, besides Berghain doing their stuffand they didn't very good techno every night there. It was on the weekends. Sometimes it was like André Galuzzi and these other guys that still played more tech house. [Marcel] Dettmann and Ben [Klock] were the only guys that were playing techno, and they didn't play there every week. So it wasn't like you heard proper hard techno every week when you went out in Berlin.
Did it become that way?
It did later. I was doing a lot of parties for a while. I did, like, 25 events in Berlin. I was bringing people like Surgeon to play in Berlin who hadn't played in Berlin in two years. Same thing with Damon Wild, [Joey] Beltram: I was booking people that hadn't been playing in Berlin for a year or two years and weren't getting any gigs because there's not much of scene there.
So it energized you?
Yeah. It was wide open for me to break in and get a residency and play my own party. I wanted to make moves.
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Did you watch Kathy Griffin strip off her dress for David Letterman on the Late Show Thursday night? In case you missed it we've got footage of the 51-year-old, who, it seems, is making quite the habit of losing her clothing.
The conversation started out innocently enough, with David Letterman inquiring how Kathy Griffin's New Year's Eve hosting gig alongside Anderson Cooper went. She replied, "Every year I try to up the ante a little bit. I've done it for five years now and I've been fired four years in a row... One year I said the F-word so I had to give the money back.
"I didn't want to get fired," she continued. "So this year I thought, 'What can I do to not get canned?' I thought it would be appropriate in Times Square to create a moment, so I took my clothes off. I didn't tell anyone, I didn't tell Anderson."
Kathy Griffin, pictured here barefoot outside her New York City hotel before her appearance on the Late Show, then introduced the clip in which she jumps up and down without a shirt next to her shocked co-host.
"Wow, nice going," Letterman commented.
"I mean, David, I'll do it," Kathy Griffin then offered, pulling down her dress strap.
"Go ahead. Wow, this is nice," Letterman replied, offering to help her. "Is there anything I can do? I don't think I should... Wow, oh, my, oh, buddy. We're gonna need some pliers."
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Are Vaccines Given In The Tail Safer For Cats?
What do you think about vaccinating your cat in the tail? If your initial reaction was like mine you probably squirmed and thought, "No way would she put up with that." In fact, a pilot study published in the Journal of Feline Medicine and Surgery demonstrated that vaccinations given in the tail were well-tolerated by cats and resulted in an excellent immune response.
The impetus behind this research is the fact that in rare instances, vaccinations (and other types of injections) can cause cats to develop a highly aggressive type of cancer at the injection site. The authors of this study cited a rate of 1-10 cats out of every 10,000 vaccinated. Even though injection site sarcomas are not all that common, they are devastating when they occur. The only hope for a cure is to remove the mass and as much surrounding tissue as possible.
This presented a problem when veterinarians gave most vaccinations under the scruff of a cat's neck. There is simply little chance of getting wide enough surgical margins in this area before you start running into vital structures. Because of this, most veterinarians switched to giving vaccinations low down (below the elbow or knee) on cats' legs. If a sarcoma did develop, we could then amputate the leg and give the cat the best chance of survival possible.
In theory, this is a good plan. We gave each vaccine in a particular location so we could monitor which was responsible for any sarcomas that did develop, and veterinarians knew that feline "tripods" do exceedingly well after surgery. The reality was less than ideal, however. Many cat owners balked at the combination of expense, disfigurement, and a still guarded prognosis associated with limb amputation for injection site sarcomas. A better option was needed that would allow cats to benefit from vaccines while providing a more reasonable treatment option in the unlikely event a sarcoma did develop.
Enter the tail. Sixty cats were enrolled in the study. Thirty-one received rabies (RV) and panleukopenia (FPV) vaccines in a hind leg, below the knee and 20 received the same vaccines toward the back end of the tail. The researchers used a six-point scale (1 = no reaction, 6 = injection not possible) to assess the way in which the cats reacted to being vaccinated. They found "no significant differences" in the cats' reactions to receiving injections in the tail versus the leg. In fact, in a poster presented at the American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine meeting this year, the authors reported that "More cats accepted tail vaccination with a low behavioral reaction score of 1–2 (95%) than hind limb injection (78%) (p = 0.03)."
The researchers also collected blood samples from the cats to ensure that tail vaccination stimulated a good immune response. They found that "Of the cats seronegative for FPV at the time of vaccination, 100% developed protective antibody titers (≥40) against FPV 1-2 months following vaccination. For cats seronegative for RV, all but one cat (tail vaccine) developed acceptable antibody titers (≥0.5 IU/ml) against RV."
I'm not sure how quick (or even if) the veterinary profession will be to start vaccinating cats in the tail, but if you see your veterinarian doing so, you'll now know why.
Dr. Jennifer Coates
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Would this work for dogs too? My chihuahua has tumor-like protuberances every place she's gotten her vaccinations...
Hard to say. I've never seen any research that would answer that question.
No more vacs for your dog. My cats legs just got amputated because of over vaccinating. www.healthypets.com Dr. Karen Becker & other holistic vets are again conventional vaccinations. Vaccinations is Big Pharma...money money money!!!
My cat Reese had her leg amputated because of vaccinations
While tail amputation is certainly an excellent option if the kitty develops a VAS, is there any chance that the possibility of VAS might be reduced with a tail vaccination?
Do you know if there was a significant time follow-up to see how many kitties developed VAS?
I've always believed that the 1-10 in 10,000 number is greatly under reported. If one asks a vet how many VAS kitties they've seen, they usually report 3 or 4. My answer to them would be: "So you've seen over 10,000 in your practice?" -
Hi TheOldBroad,
You ask questions that are very difficult, if not impossible, to answer.
[quote]is there any chance that the possibility of VAS might be reduced with a tail vaccination? [/quote]
Since very few cats have been vaccinated in the tail at this time ... even the pilot study only involved 29 cats ... there is no way to know if there is less risk of a VAS in the tail. What appears to be the most important factor in the development of a VAS (along with the cat's genetic predisposition) is inflammation. I haven't had a chance to read through all of the pilot study article, but I don't know that they looked at the amount of inflammation in the tail post vaccination. If using an adjuvanted (killed, inactivated) vaccine, then one would expect significant inflammation since that is the purpose of the adjuvant. If using the one available recombinant vaccine for rabies or FeLV, then one would expect less inflammation since it is not adjuvanted. If there is an immune response to the adjuvanted vaccines ... as the study says there was ... then I would suspect that there was inflammation involved which is needed to get the immune system to respond to the dead virus in the vaccine.
I read something by a vet (NOT by my friend, Dr Ford ... I haven't asked him about this yet) ... but this other vet suggested that another complication of vaccinating in the tail might be the challenge of getting the vaccine UNDER the skin (subcutaneous) and not IN the skin (intradermal). This vet's concern was that an intradermal vaccination might result in the blowing apart of intracellular junctions and result in hyperesthesia ... causing excessive licking and chewing of the tail, and might possibly lead to amputation. I don't think that vet is a specialist and I have no idea if his concern is valid ... but it might suggest more complications when vaccinating in the tail.
But my point is simply that not enough cats have been vaccinated in the tail ... not to mention that a VAS may not develop for years (as long as 11-13 years) after the vaccination ... so, there is no way to know if tail vaccination is a lesser or greater risk for a sarcoma. The study seems to be concerned only with the easier amputation of the tail if a sarcoma does develop ... and looking for an antibody response to the tail vaccination and a cat's tolerance to an injection in the tail.
[quote]Do you know if there was a significant time follow-up to see how many kitties developed VAS?[/quote]
As I just mentioned ... this was a recent study ... and a VAS/FISS may take years to develop, so it is unlikely that they will know of any difference in prevalence of a VAS when vaccinated in the tail ... for 10 or more years. With past studies, it appears that the significant factor is not location of the vaccination, but rather the type of vaccine used ... i.e. there is a 10X LESS risk of a VAS when using a recombinant vaccine. That is based on a retrospective study by Dr Phil Kass of UC Davis.
The other element here is the factor of accumulative vaccinations ... when giving boosters every 1 or 3 years ... all in the tail. The repeat vaccinations in the small subcutaneous space of the tip of the tail (distal third, I think) could significantly increase the chronic inflammation in the tail ... which may increase the risk of a VAS/FISS in a genetically susceptible cat. But these are all unanswered questions at this point.
Stephanie in Raleigh -
My cats thigh has a huge sarcoma! Therefore resulting in amputation.
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Why her?... she has saved me hours of research & she is the smartest vet I know of! She is not money oriented just has a heart & uses it! I have rescued a lot of mammals & usually keep my personal cats & dogs up to 22 - 23 years of age. I do not vaccinate! They are on a natural diet meaning
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Hi Dr Coates and all,
Thanks for addressing this. I know that this article on tail vaccination has been discussed much lately on a number of sites.
I just wanted to add a caution to this. As you know, the published study is "peer reviewed". One of the reviewers was my good friend, Dr Richard Ford (emeritus at NC State, infectious disease expert and a co-author of the AAFP Feline Vaccination Guidelines). I talked to him about this and showed him your blog article today. He wants to make it very clear that this was only a preliminary PILOT study with only a few (29) cats. Neither he nor other vaccination experts are advocating giving vaccinations in the tail at this time. It was hoped that the publisher would put a cautionary notice in the article stating that no one is yet recommending vaccinating cats in the tail. This is just a small study to determine if further research is recommended.
I know that Dr Ford and several other of the experts prefer to put the emphasis, not so much on vaccination "site" ... but rather on using vaccines that are less inflammatory ... which means using non-adjuvanted vaccines. For Rabies and FeLV, currently the only non-adjuvanted vaccines are the recombinant (canarypox vectored) vaccines. Vaccine Associated Sarocomas (VAS), also known as Feline Injection Site Sarcomas (FISS) seem to require at least two factors:
1. a genetic predisposition in the individual cat
2. inflammation, particularly chronic inflammation
Since the purpose of adjuvants is to produce inflammation at the vaccination site in order to get the immune system to respond to a dead ("inactivated") vaccine ... it makes sense that adjuvanted vaccines result in a higher risk of a FISS. The retrospective study published last fall by Dr Philip Kass (epidemiologist at UC Davis) concluded that there was statistically less risk of a FISS when recombinant vaccines are used, compared to adjuvanted inactivated vaccines. Actually the study showed a 10X greater risk of a sarcoma when using an adjuvanted vaccine.
So, Dr Ford, Dr Susan Little and others, while advocating the current vaccination site recommendations (Rabies right back leg, FeLV left back leg, both below the stifle) ... they prefer to put the emphasis on avoiding adjuvanted vaccines to reduce the risk of a FISS at any location.
Anyway ... I did want to share, at Dr Ford's encouragement, that he as one of the reviewers of this published study ... wants to emphasize that it is only a preliminary pilot study and not a new recommendation for vaccination site.
For anyone who may be interested in the issue ... Dr Ford has been doing a vaccination series of articles this past year in the journal, Today's Veterinary Practice. Two of the recent articles may be of interest:
1. On "Feline Injection Site Sarcoma"
2. A Summary of the "2013 Feline Vaccination Guidelines"
Stephanie in Raleigh -
No way. I do not believe adult cats or dogs need to be vaccinated at all. Due to mortality of kittens/puppies they may need to be vaccinated, but not as adults. Further, before vaccination the health of the pet must be ascertained to be good. One does not vaccinate a sick pet or a senior pet. Greedy money minded vets in India advocate annual 7-in-1 or 9-in-1 annual vaccinations to one and all to gullible clients which results in all forms of autoimmune disorders. For the fact to get an annual pet license from the local municipality the vet sitting there demands a vaccination certificate in order to help his/her fraternity. There is no law to that affect. Strays do not get vaccinated, do they? We have always adopted abandoned adult German Spitz not from any shelter, but what we may find in residential localities or on roads and domesticate them after treatment for any wounds/trauma and observing for any signs of rabies.
Your right & no vaccines for any pets period. Look at Dr. Karen Becke's solutions! She has a free newsletter you can subscribe to on the internet. She has a heart & is the smartest vet i know. No BIG PHARMA...just solutions that saves your pets & money. I wish I knew of her years ago!


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