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Husky Men's Basketball Blog
Seattle Times staff reporter Bob Condotta provides a running commentary on the Huskies.
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March 3, 2008 10:24 PM
Tuning out turnovers
Posted by Bob Condotta
Lost in some of the individual performances that have keyed UW's surge of late (Joe Wolfinger, Venoy Overton, Justin Dentmon) is a team stat steadily getting better --- turnover margin.
Last year, that was something harped on a lot in this space as a key reason for UW's disappointing season as the Huskies finished ninth in the conference in turnover margin at minus-1.72 (meaning UW lost 1.72 more turnovers per game than its opponent). The problem was even more pronounced in Pac-10 play as UW had a minus-2.06 turnover margin in conference games. Each of those ranked ninth in the conference ahead of only Stanford.
But those numbers have all gotten better this season. After losing just six turnovers Saturday at Cal, the Huskies are now third in the conference for the season in turnover margin at plus-1.23, behind WSU (3.03) and UCLA (2.10), and fourth in Pac-10 games only at plus-.82 (WSU, UCLA and Arizona ranking 1-2-3).
For the season, UW is losing 13.8 turnovers per game while gaining 15.12 compared to losing 15.6 and gaining 13.9 last season
That's a net gain of almost three possessions a game.
The numbers are also good in Pac-10 play as UW is losing 12.8 turnovers per game while forcing 13.6.
And when coach Lorenzo Romar says the Huskies have been "playing right'' the last seven games, turnover margin is one of the numbers to which he is referring.
In the last seven games, UW has a turnover margin of plus-2.7 per game, losing 11.8 while forcing 14.5, losing the turnover battle only once (against Stanford).
Twice in that span UW has had single-digit turnovers (six against Cal, eight against Arizona) something it managed to do only once all of last year.
Obviously, that all just means the Huskies are being more careful with the ball. One of the biggest reasons is the emergence of Overton, allowing Dentmon to play more off the ball. Dentmon led the Huskies with 96 turnovers last season, exactly three a game. This year, he has just 48, or 1.6 a game. Jon Brockman leads UW with 69 turnovers but is still down just a bit from last season (2.6 per game to 2.3). Overton is next with 59, an average of 2.03 per game
Unfortunately, none of that helps the Huskies make any more free throws.
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12:28 AM, Mar 04, 2008
This blog is amazing, keep up the good work
Posted by Royal
5:36 AM, Mar 04, 2008
Nice work Bob. Thank you.
Posted by MT Husky
9:28 AM, Mar 04, 2008
Huskies are a different team than the one that lost to WSU by 4 in January.
IF Wolfinger can continue his solid play and IF Huskies can have a better TO ratio (14 compared to 7 for WSU last time) they just might be able to go into Pullman and pull off the big upset.
I don't know Cougfan...I think I just might be a little nervous if I were you.
Posted by Glenn
3:19 PM, Mar 04, 2008
As a Coug supporter, I'm not nervous. The Huskies have been playing better, but they still are a bad road team. IF WSU gets out to an early lead and IF the emotion from senior night takes over early, the Cougs will blow UW's doors off, like they did last year in Pullman.
The key to these games have been simple: WSU's guards have owned UW's guards. Look for that trend to continue.
Posted by MT Husky
3:44 PM, Mar 04, 2008
I was waiting/hoping for a Coug to respond. Nice thought-out response Glenn, I like it.
However...I still think you may need to be nervous.
You are absolutely right about your guards owning ours...however...dramatic improved play by Dentmon AND Overton recently will prove a different story on Saturday.
Both have come a long way since January.
(and, I might add, in the last game our guards combined for 11 turnovers...I don't think that will happen Saturday)
Oh yes...the more I think about it the better I feel about Huskies upset chances on Saturday.
Posted by grant
4:07 PM, Mar 04, 2008
Sorry, but you are totally wrong. Your three primary guards and ours scored the exact same number of points (28). Yours had one more assist, but we had more as a team. Yours out-rebounded ours, but we won that battle as a team as well(because Brockman hogs all the rebounds). Your guards killed us by taking care of the ball, ours had more turnovers than yours did. But as Bob just pointed out, this has been addressed over the course of the season, and we rank in the top 3 in turnover ratio now (9th last year). We were a few free throws away from beating you last time, so don't pretend your guards put on some show against us. But since you're a Coug supporter, I don't expect you to actually look any information up.
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Just keeps getting hotter, that Harry Potter
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That's right. Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince. Mary (the intern from UVA) and I bought the tickets a few weeks ago and even got a free song on iTunes. We made a trip to her friend's house to borrow ties, so we could dress up like Hogwarts students. We watched all 5 Harry Potter movies over the course of 2 weeks in preparation for this movie. Ooh yes, I was only too ready for my night with Harry Potter.
There were a few things that alarmed me, however. First, the other 6 interns appeared blase about the movie release. Now, I have celebrated the release of every HP book and film for the past 8 years with my friends and the rest of the world, so this 1:3 fan to non-fan ratio is just novel and incomprehensible to me. Second, the only movie theater I have seen in Charlottesville is the old-school one in downtown Charlottesville. This movie theater was playing several chickflicks but not Harry Potter-- what? Mary had to call up her friends to go with us to Carmike, a movie theater 15 minutes away from the grounds. I just don't understand...
We arrived at the movie theater around 10:15pm. We were not sure what to expect since it is Charlottesville, but! oh yes, there was a line with a couple people dressed up! Yes, yes! I mean, the line was not so incredibly long that I could not see the beginning, but it was there.
The manager did a pretty good job herding people into several movie theaters. We were the first ones to go into the third movie theater, and um, the theater was only slightly bigger than some home theaters. It had no more than 15 rows... all on the same level... whatever, we got center back seats and waited for the movie to begin. And the epic movie began 12:30am on July 15th.
I laughed out loud, whimpered, screamed, banged my head into Mary's... it was the best!!! Michael Gambon's performance improved astronomically (I was ready for him to go after the 4th and 5th movies, in which he acted like a bipolar maniac-- the real Dumbedore would never... I had even joined the facebook group "Remember Kids, Snape Didn't Kill Dumbledore, Michael Gambon did"). But Dumbledore was calm and melancholy in this movie, and it was actually hard for me to see him get blasted by Snape (not a spoiler... if you did not know this, you should not be reading my blog). I adored the flurries of akward teenage moments. Harry, Ron, and Draco are getting more and more handsome that I am having a hard time choosing between them. The movie did leave out a lot of stuff, but whatever, this was by far the best Harry Potter movie! I am so glad David Yates will be directing the last 2 movies. I can't wait to go see it again at home!!!


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from a friend who got this on fox sports news…." And this little tidbit from the real world…Gotta make you feel good about NYR fans: According to the New Jersey Star-Ledger, Bobby Ackerman, a Long Island native, wanted to pass on his love of hockey to his newborn daughter, Madison. The first-time father even bought Madison a tiny Henrik Lundqvist jersey soon after she was born in the hopes that she would someday wear it to a Stanley Cup game with him, but tragically, she passed away in April at four months old. As the Rangers were beginning their postseason run that same week, word began to spread of the sad news. Shawn Revell, who runs the Facebook site called New York Rangers Memes, didn't know Ackerman personally, but he was determined to do something for the grieving father. "We all just said, 'We need to do something for this guy,'" said Revell. "We agreed if the Rangers made the finals, we were going to find a way to get him there." The Rangers went on to defeat the Montreal Canadiens in the Eastern Conference finals, and Revell worked on setting up a fund to raise enough money to send Ackerman to a Cup game and purchase him a Rangers jersey with his daughter's name on it. Within 24 hours, the page had raised over $1,000, and the money only continued to pour in from fans around the NHL, including some Kings fans. The support was overwhelming, and it was enough to purchase tickets for Game 4 on the date of the two-month anniversary of Madison's death. "I still can't find the words," Ackerman said. "I'm just your average guy who loves hockey. The hockey community is the best thing in the world. Without it, I don't know where I'd be right now."…please pass to the NYR , they need to know about this….another inspiration from another angel…..
Can't believe we are already playing our 5th 'must win' game of the series tomorrow night… Let's go boys!
Great-awful story.
So are we blogging now?
I'm not a fan of the story either.
Carp must carry a large necked bottle for long chats, like a limo driver.
blue – do you know this guy?
Sad story for sure. Hits to close to home for me. I lost my first son on the day he was do.
Did anybody ask about Kristo?
Here's what you need to know, Manny. Kristo has wicked wrists and he can score. We need *goals* as we approach game 5. Something or someone has got to give.
LOL – Jessica. When Richards blows out his knee in game 5, you are going to *WISH* the Kristo Kid was in there instead :)
You can thank me later!
Jessica LOVING the Kristo?
I knew there was a shortage of something lately, but couldn't put my finger on it. 28 year olds from Northern NJ.
Manny – I think we need to take Jessica out for drinks :)
or she's picking on me.
I bet Kristo would walk barefoot through a snowstorm to use those wicked wrists and score.
Doc – let's just be thankful he doesn't walk on his hands!!!
Carp – Do all the "Black" Aces get to go to all the playoff games?
Not sure, Sioux. They have at least three extra forwards (Carcillo, Miller, Fast), two extra D (Diaz, Falk) and three goalies (inluding Missaien) with them all the time.
For whatever reason, the organization seems to have Fast and Miller ahead of Kristo in the depth chart. Not sure why. Kristo is pure scorer. Obviously, kid still has a lot to learn in pro hockey but his production in CT last year was a complete shock to everyone except Sioux.
Aren't the reasons "overall skillset" with Miller and "defensive awareness" with Fast? And both were on pace to outpoint Kristo down in the other HL.
not sure if that's the depth chart based on future. But depth chart now, in terms of NHL readiness, yes.
I guess, Mr. D. They are 3 totally different players. I think the most glaring need is a sniper over a defensive responsible forward or a good all-around player. NYR might not agree.
It's too late to play Kristo. Can't put him in at this point. No NHL experience at all.
Though I would put him in over Neigh. I think I'd put Voros in over Neigh.
Is the term "Black Aces" a racist one? I can't decide if I should be offended.
African American Aces?
Voros 2.0?
Kramer would call them "Afro American Aces"
i dont know wuts wrong with you guys but that wasnt me before. seriously. whats wrong with you!
I can't believe Voros is alive after that night with Lindsey Lohands.
50 ft pole Lohands!
Winter is coming.
We need more players with Afros
Snipers don't help if they're giving up 2 or 3 snipes for every one they create.
106 games? Thatsalotta Go Times.
109 Go Times would sure be nice.
Moving Richy down to the fourth line really hurt our puck possession, I think it was a big reason for the forty shots against.
Carp, great article on the buyout. It wasn't up there for too long. You should consider re posting it after game seven.
"Snipers don't help if they're giving up 2 or 3 snipes for every one they create."
But does Girardi help for giving up one for every 2 or 3 he denies?
The SCF Hattie !!!
Guess someone is in playoff form.
I don't have a good answer for Girardi. The biggest gaps that need to be closed in the possession metrics are shot location and QoC, both of which I _think_ would bump our top pair up, possibly significantly.
Hope there is another Charp tomorrow… work got in the way today.
Kristo needed a full year in the AHL, that's common coming out of college.
Kreider & Miller are still figuring out the defensive responsibilities away from the puck.
Kristo is a RFA so I could see him getting a 2 year deal, and a solid shot to make the team next year.
I still put him in our top 3 in the depth chart, for forwards. I wouldn't write him off yet.
I was kidding about putting him in for Richards, outside of Richards getting hurt and costing this team $6.7M for the next 6 years.
Hard to trust comments by avatars that are pawns. Too easy for some jerk to impersonate.
I think you are correct, Seee
If there were waves coming our way, the original 4th line always stemmed the tide.
I put a rose in my detergent bottle and stemmed the Tide.
Exactly, Coos. Exactly.
I guess it will come down to who is brought back next year.
Pouliot, Boyler, Carcillo, D Moore are all UFA.
RFA Kreider, Brassard, Zucc should all get new contracts.
Kristo will have to earn his stripes leading the wolfpack, and get called up, I guess he would have a slight chance to make it out of camp.
carp—do you think the rangers should take a chance on mike green? I read that the caps want to get rid of him,i think buyout buy maybe a trade…he is a very good offensive d-man and can fire the puck…he'll help out the pp,at least…
NHL network showing last nights game now. It's the CBC broadcast and is immeasurably superior to nbc, and I like Doc.
PullOut owes a lot to AV. He was heading south until AV played him and stuck with him. However, dollars are, more often than not, thicker than blood.
For every goal Mike Green scores, I'm pretty sure he is on for roughly 89 against.
WTF was JLo and Pitt Bull doing opening up the World cup??
and that ceremony was kind of lame, anyway…
*new post.*
JLo is the could use debt consololidation because she has a lot in arrears.


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March 19, 2009
Every 30 days, Congress injects 138,000 legal immigrants into the United States, month in and month out, year in and year out. They seek jobs, food, housing and services. They form a continual river of demands on the American taxpayer. They crowd into our cities, towns, hospitals and schools.
At this time, 15 million Americans stand in unemployment lines. Over 4.4 million Americans lost their jobs in the last five months. A whopping 31.1 million Americans feed themselves with government handouts in the form of 'food stamps'—because they cannot find jobs.
Yet, the immigration flood into the United States continues without pause.
Today, you never know what your Congress may slip past you in its skull-drudgery, mendacity and outright fraud against the America people. That 535 member body fails on every aspect of the immigration debate to advance American citizens' best interests. This U.S. Congress, bought and paid for by corporate America, translates everything that favors massive, unending immigration into the USA.
In a brilliant expose', Washington DC writer, Donald A. Collins illustrated how our government undermines Americans at every juncture.
"You know how much our government cares about us citizens in its rush to print nearly a trillion in new debt?" Collins said. "As in the bill being signed by President Obama ASAP! Turns out that before the final vote in the Senate on February 13, Senator Christopher Dodd (D-CT) answered the question. He cried big salty tears about how he knew that some members were disappointed that their amendments had not received a vote. Dodd said he knew Senator Jeff Sessions (R-ALA) was particularly upset—and that when the Senate takes up the Continuing Resolution for the Budget in two weeks, the bill would include an extension of E-Verify until September 30th.
"Remember, you, but far more likely your children and grandchildren, have just been saddled with nearly another trillion dollars debt for the purpose of creating jobs. It is claimed that four million jobs will be created by this package. But the latest US Department of Homeland Security data reveals that our government is currently permitting 138,000 legal immigrants to enter the US every month on various work visas. That's over 1.5 million new legal aliens per year, folks!
"That means it's all the more important to stop illegal immigration! An estimated 500,000 or more arrive here every year. So even if four million new jobs are created, a huge number will be going to aliens, not US citizens."
So one must ask, why would Dodd talk about only extending E-verify until September?
"It doesn't take an Einstein IQ to see what is happening here," Collins said. "Dodd and Senate Majority Leader Reid (D-NV) and many others all claim they support E-verify, but then say they will extend it for only six months. Why? So they can ram "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"—another huge AMNESTY—down the throats of American citizens.
"If you are not now outraged about this, it is either because you are illiterate or have recently come illegally to the US. Because most legal immigrants and US citizens completely understand that this is just another cheap labor ploy engineered by the multinational companies, who have gradually bought and paid for our Federal government.
"Remember Eisenhower's warning; beware the military-industrial complex? Eisenhower spoke before globalization, when these companies needed US citizen support. But now, doing huge business overseas, they see the US as only a place to use for their best interests—which are clearly not our best interests.
Abetted by the ethnic and ideological lobbies, these powerful forces have basically said: "We own you and you will stand there and let us strip-mine your jobs, schools, environment, and everything else because you are too lazy, stupid or pressed down by our earlier efforts to resist.""
"It is now patently obvious, the Congress is now holding E-verify hostage to allow the ramming through of another huge amnesty, which the Heritage Foundation's landmark report predicted will legalize 20 million now but millions more thereafter," Collins said. "In a recent Migration Policy Institute statement, [PDF] former INS head (and open border advocate) Doris Meissner suggested that voluntary compliance with E-verify be the centerpiece in the bill to tackle ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Get it? Comprehensive immigration reform! Amnesty! [Advisory Group Urges Freeze on Construction of Border Fence.]
"I am not at all sure who made this YouTube segment, but if you have not seen it, please go there. I hope the optimism of the creators of this YOU TUBE are justified, but the odds are still with the Presidente—the leader depicted in the film)! (VDARE.COM note: this is a JOKE, $PLC!)
"If American citizens don't wake up now, there will be another big amnesty. This is a time for real hard ball politics. The Washington elite (both parties) want to sell us out. Writing them, jamming their switchboards, and telling them in any way possible remains urgent and important for us all to keep doing. However, understand that they are basically not working for you or me, but for the paymasters who re-elect them.
"Lewis H. Lapham, National Correspondent for Harper's Magazine wrote a seminal March 2009 Notebook piece on who these national leaders are. He calls them "Achievetrons" people who have the top degrees, are undeniably brilliant, capable and able to game play any system well. He concluded:
"As individuals they make very good company, and at the tables down at Mory's, the magic of their singing no doubt casts its spell, but if they have paid attention to their studies, they can be trusted to know, as does the 'valedictocracy' otherwise known as the national news media, that it's a far, far better thing to live in comfort they hold to be wrong than in discomfort under a government they hold to be right."
Donald A. Collins is a freelance writer living in Washington DC, and is Co-Chair of the Federation for American Immigration Reform's (FAIR) National Advisory Board. www.fairus.org
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Here are some photos of the new pedestrian and bicycle infrastructure on the South Portland side of the new and improved Veterans Memorial Bridge. According to the project's website, "all users of the bridge can expect to drive, walk or bike on the new bridge this July."
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NEWTOWN, Conn. — Investigators on Saturday worked to understand what led a bright but painfully awkward 20-year-old to slaughter 26 children and adults at a Connecticut elementary school, while townspeople took down Christmas decorations and struggled with how to get through a holiday season that has suddenly become a time of mourning.
The tragedy spurred soul-searching and grief around the globe. Families as far away as Puerto Rico began to plan funerals for victims who still had their baby teeth, world leaders extended condolences, and vigils were held around the U.S.
Amid the sorrow, stories of heroism emerged, including an account of the Sandy Hook Elementary School principal who lost her life lunging at the gunman, Adam Lanza, in an attempt to overpower him.
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The mystery deepened as Newtown education officials said they had found no link between Lanza's mother and the school, contrary to news reports that said she was a teacher there. Investigators said they believe Adam Lanza attended Sandy Hook Elementary many years ago, but they had no explanation for why he went there on Friday.
Lanza shot and killed his mother, Nancy Lanza, at the home they shared, then drove to the school in her car with at least three of her guns, forced his way inside and opened fire in two classrooms, authorities said. Within minutes, he killed 20 children, six adults and himself.
On Saturday, Chief Medical Examiner Dr. H. Wayne Carver said all the victims at the school were killed up close and shot more than once.
The tragedy plunged Newtown into mourning and added the picturesque New England community of handsome colonial homes, red-brick sidewalks and 27,000 people to the grim map of towns where mass shootings in recent years have periodically reignited the national debate over gun control but led to little change.
Signs in downtown Newtown read, "Hug a teacher today," "Please pray for Newtown" and "Love will get us through."
"People in my neighborhood are feeling guilty about it being Christmas. They are taking down decorations," said Jeannie Pasacreta, a psychologist who was advising parents struggling with how to talk to their children.
Authorities had yet to release the list of the dead, but in the tightly knit town, nearly everyone seemed to know someone who died.
Among the dead: well-liked Principal Dawn Hochsprung, who town officials say tried to stop the rampage and paid with her life; the school psychologist who probably would have helped survivors grapple with the tragedy; a teacher thrilled to have been hired this year; and a 6-year-old girl who had just moved to Newtown from Canada.
The Hartford Courant reported that a number of media outlets, including CNN and NBC News, citied sources in reporting that Lanza had been involved in some sort of altercation at the school the day before the shooting. That could not be confirmed by local authorities.
Investigators told CNN they believe Lanza tried to buy a gun at Dick's Sporting Goods in Danbury on Tuesday, but was unsuccessful. Employees at the store – some 12 miles from Sandy Hook Elementary – have been interviewed and have searched the store's surveillance cameras for evidence that Lanza had been there.
Authorities said Lanza had no criminal history; it was not clear whether he had a job. Lanza was believed to have suffered from a personality disorder, said a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity.
Another official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said Lanza had been diagnosed with Asperger's, a mild form of autism that is often characterized by social awkwardness. People with the disorder are often highly intelligent. While they can become frustrated more easily, there is no evidence of a link between Asperger's and violent behavior, experts say.
The officials insisted on anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the unfolding investigation.
Acquaintances describe the former honor student as smart but odd and remote.
"He was very different and very shy and didn't make an effort to interact with anybody" in his 10th-grade English class, said Olivia DeVivo, now a student at the University of Connecticut. Lanza always came to school toting a briefcase and wearing his shirt buttoned all the way up, she said.
"You had yourself a very scared young boy, who was very nervous around people," said Richard Novia, who was the district's head of security and adviser to the school's Tech Club, of which Lanza was a member. He added: "He was a loner."
Novia said Lanza had extreme difficulties relating to fellow students and teachers, as well as a strange bodily condition: "If that boy would've burned himself, he would not have known it or felt it physically."
Lanza would also go through crises that would require his mother to come to school to deal with. Such episodes might involve "total withdrawal from whatever he was supposed to be doing, be it a class, be it sitting and read a book," Novia said.
When people approached Lanza in the hallways, he would press himself against the wall or walk in a different direction, clutching his black case "like an 8-year-old who refuses to give up his teddy bear," said Novia, who now lives in Tennessee.
Even so, Novia said his primary concern about Lanza was that he might become a target for teasing or abuse by his fellow students, not that he might become a threat.
"Somewhere along in the last four years there were significant changes that led to what has happened Friday morning," Novia said. "I could never have foreseen him doing that."
Sandy Hook Elementary will be closed next week — some parents can't even conceive of sending their children back, Board of Education chairwoman Debbie Leidlein said — and officials are considering what to do about the town's other schools.
"Next week is going to be horrible," said the town's legislative council chairman, Jeff Capeci, thinking about the string of funerals the town will face. "Horrible, and the week leading into Christmas."
Asked whether the town would recover, Maryann Jacob, a clerk in the school library who took cover in a storage room with 18 fourth-graders during the shooting rampage, said: "We have to. We have a lot of children left."
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Josh McRoberts knew better than to expect his minutes would remain in double digits once Andrew Bynum returned from his four-game suspension at the start of the season.
The 6-foot-10 forward has tried not to second guess himself or the coaches as he watches teammate Troy Murphy come off the bench ahead of him night after night. In the past five games, McRoberts has played an average of 4.7 minutes and scored two points.
Instead, McRoberts remains positive about his playing time with the Lakers even though Coach Mike Brown hasn't made any promises.
"I know I'll have a chance coming up here pretty soon," he said before Friday's game against the Phoenix Suns.
But when? McRoberts doesn't know the answer and he's not stressing about it, either. He said it's a situation that he's face before in his four-year NBA career.
It's a situation I've been in before," he said. "Last year (with Indiana) I would start games, have a pretty good game and then the next night not even be active. So it's been like that for me the past two or three seasons.
"I'm going to do whatever is necessary for us to win. I'm fine with it. I know I will be ready when my number is called. It's part of the job to be ready, stay ready."
McRoberts, who can get testy on the court, said no one has told him why he hasn't been playing much, only that Murphy's perimeter play is a factor.
"I can't get down and try to figure out 'OK, what did I do wrong?' It's just part of it in the NBA," he said. "You just have to take it in stride and be supportive of your teammates."
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He was the one brought up the subject of evidence and someone being guilty or not. I really don't see me changing the subject so very greatly much.You're basically poo-pooing documented evidence and the case itself because your gut tells you someone was or wasn't guilty


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The Philadelphia Phillies' opening-day starter pitched three scoreless innings in a 4-1 win over the Detroit Tigers on Wednesday, Hamels' last tune-up before starting the regular-season opener Monday night in Atlanta.
"We're ready to get back to real baseball," Phillies manager Charlie Manuel said. "Cole has been dominant and he's just ready to start the season. I know what we need to get out of him. I know he's ready."
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"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
Storylines ebb and flow. If every single action in the storyline was met by an exactly opposite reaction to keep both sides happy it would be the most boring story imaginable since nothing significant would ever happen.
As to your personal perceptions based on what you've experienced with regard to one set of quests, gear and lore being better written than another, that's all subjective. There's plenty of evidence around that you have your own view of things that's a bit askew from a lot of other people. So best to just say that it's an opinion and leave it at that.
Most people who raise the issue of Blizzard factional favoritism in a vehement way are either just stirring stuff up or totally ignorant of the rules of storytelling.
The cake is now an alternative fact.
For years? Come on, take a serious look at vanilla. The Alliance had far more leveling zones than the Horde, and Stormwind was an actual living city unlike the deserted Orgrimmar. Heck, should I remind you that the Winterspring Frostsabers were already in vanilla while the Un'goro Raptors (which should have been in vanilla!) were released along with Cataclysm?
Burning Crusade was 50/50
WotLK obviously favored Alliance, since pretty much all lore centered around the Alliance: Tirion, Arthas, Muradin, Frost Dwarves, Vrykul, Mechgnomes, you name it.
Then came Cataclysm, yes this expansion did favor the Horde. I agree with you on that, but don't make it sound like all the previous also favored the Horde because the facts are heavily against you.
Mists of Pandaria seems to slightly favor the Alliance to compensate for Cataclysm, but not by much.
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
I swear these type of threads leave me with a bad taste when I say "bias".
The WC2 and before argument doesn't work in this anymore, and here is why. Back then, blizzard had no two and throw between them, they simply had the horde labeled as the bad guys and the alliance as the good guys. Its from this that the alliance believe themselves still as the good guys in everything they do.
But the story moved on, there is no 'Our side are the good guys you guys are are the baddies' anymore in warcraft. Its simply now a case of both side being equal and opposite to one another. Neither horde or alliance will ever beat each other, and whatever one side does to the other, it will always be looked at subjectively now.
So, do alliance still think themselves the good guys and should win out absolutely? I dare say many do them do, because of the past rhetoric.
No, it really isn't. And this isn't bias. The fact the alliance is pitted against a faction who has black metallic spikes from there buildings, has the color red as its main color, uses wolves and kodos for mounts instead of ponies and cats, it really is just a case the horde has more 'cooler' elements to it.
The horde is savage, wild and holds honor and aggression to its name. The alliance is prideful, arrogant and firm. And all I'm saying is it is so much easier to make one of these appear cooler and more badass then the other, the other requiring more effort to do so.
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And now we got super duper prince Anduin running around pandaria doing goodie good things.
I don't actually know what anything you said really proved. That because the Horde is no longer evil the Alliance simply cannot have a good story? Your point about the narrative of good vs evil is also largely irrelevant as there is always an evil to fight - it's just not the Horde. Except in MoP it currently is. The "Evil" simply shifted. Wrath for example had a good Alliance narrative.
"So in a way, I want even the gameplay to indicate that Varian is fighting a very different kind of war than Garrosh, remembering what the Alliance is supposed to be about. This lawful good overdrive. We're supposed to be superheroes, you know?"
By Metzen's own words the Alliance is the greater force of good between the two on the moral horizon scope. To call the Alliance anything but the good guys really is to ignore Metzen's own description of the Alliance. I'm not saying that the Alliance don't haver their bad eggs or that the Horde are bad or evil at their core.
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You're joking right? I mean really? Varian knows best (and the other leaders are dumb as day old dook) is better writing than Vol'jin and the Blood Elves coming into their own as powerful and strong leaders backed by principle???
Intro gear was T9/ToCr reskins. Was made in Wrath and entirely subjective.and the gear has been better modeled for Alliance side.
"Rescue my son" is only a morally higher ground than "paint this new continent red".The intro to panda land is a much better story line than the intro on horde side imho.
No, Jaylock it's not.Is the obvious Horde favoritism blizzard has shown for years finally starting to die down?
I wouldn't say favor as much as its now the alliances turn to have some character building and gains in the war. Cata had alot of horde centered lore in terms of how the war was going and thrall. But its not like its ever been highly unbalanced. The horde are getting some nice lore on some of their leaders that had in the past little to none. I also hear people say "Well the alliance has their guy as the new lich king" Well thrall is the defacto aspect of the earth so we got our love as well.
You've just proved my point and validated it. You believe the alliance are the ultimate good in the story. You also interpreted metzens words to suit your own belief. Metzen was saying that Varian had forgotten what was more important and needing to get his shit sorted, you however saw it as if he was saying the alliance must be the lawful good and so the horde is bad.
See, your not looking at the larger picture, because however you want to intrpret it, there is no lawful good in the kind of war happening right now, the only good in it comes from those thinking outside the war itself.
Red is rage, Blue is Nobility
horde races live in rotting hovels and filthy huts, Alliance live in cities. It's comparing uncivilised versus civilised, with a few cross overs.Horde has aggressive races with savage undertones living in harsh wastelands and in the wilds.
Alliance live in castles and tree houses.
Sorry it's not a "cat" it's a Lion. A single lion could annihilate an entire pack of sniveling wolves and send them scattering tails between their legs with a ferocious roar in the real world. And lions operate in groups as well. A lion is a symbol of strength far greater than anything a stinking wolf could represent yet you call it a "cat". And there in lies the problem, along with terribad writing.The alliance has a cat for its symbol.
The horde has a wolf.
Actually, a single lion couldn't. Lions are stalkers, and they attack in short bursts. In fact, Lions have terrible endurance. After the first attack, which I'll grant the Lion for stealth, the rest of the wolf pack would be aware of its presence. The Lion would run out of energy to defend against the a whole pack of wolves pretty quickly.
One on one, the fight would likely go to the lion. But your claim of a single lion taking out a wolf pack was just plain silly.
Actually a single lion could on account of a single lion can and has defended against packs of HYENAS which are far bigger, stronger, and nastier than any wolf could ever hope to be. Lions don't need endurance, they could literally smash a wolf in half with one swipe
Not really. You watch a nature film and see a pack of wolves take down a buffalo you don't realise that 10+ other times, an individual buffalo drove them off and probably killed one goring it or stomping on it. Wolves aren't successful hunters and haven't any power at an individual level, unlike a 500+ lb lion -.-One on one, the fight would likely go to the lion. But your claim of a single lion taking out a wolf pack was just plain silly.
You've misinterpreted what I said and on top of that completely ignored my closing points.
The Alliance are not and cannot be "the ultimate good" when they have their own problems in them. They are the "gooder" (that's a word now) of the two and that's how it's always been, the Alliance are the light grey and the Horde the dark grey which you yourself referenced a page ago when you described the differences between the two in your own interpretation.
There is a reason I said "moral horizon scope" as we're that atm the Alliances morals are more resolute compared to the current Horde's.
Do I have to quote myself? "I'm not saying that the Alliance don't haver their bad eggs or that the Horde are bad or evil at their core.".
So like I said at thei core the Horde is good, but currently they are not a force of good.
How can you in the current story not see the Alliance as the good guy's and the Horde as the bad guys? The whole Horde narrative is that Garrosh has made them the bad guys and that certain members and leaders don't like that.
Btw the Metzen quote is about both Varian and the Alliance "remembering what the Alliance is supposed to be about" and constant use of "we" not "he". Atm the two are also mutual.
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Blizzard does not favor one faction over the other, and never has. Horde tends to be more interesting at least in my opinion, but that is because of the nature of the faction, not the treatment they get from Blizzard.
the only thing i can see blizzard favouring is alliance airships .....so far in the last what 3 expansions every horde airship you have gotten onto has either crashed blew up gotten attacked or otherwise gone down in a fistful of flaming death .
So the way i se this its blizzards way of promoting alliance airways over hordes harrasers, so i,m going to contact the EU fair trade court and get this sorted sue blizzard for promoting unfair compatition in azeroths airways .
Ok can i remove my tinfoil hat now please please its starting to chaff my buttocks
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Stocks declined for a fourth straight session on Wednesday, as positive economic data in the U.S. failed to counter increasing pessimism over Greece's fiscal woes.
European leaders voiced support Wednesday for keeping Greece in the eurozone, but cautioned the debt-ridden country must stick with unpopular austerity measures if Greece is going to continue to receive help. A new vote is set for Wednesday June 17.
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Investors remain worried what a Greek exit from the eurozone would mean for broader financial system in both Europe and around the globe.
But while European worries have dogged U.S. markets in recent days, investors here were eyeing news closer to home early Thursday.
Among the items getting attention was stronger-than-expected quarterly earnings and sales from Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500), the nation's largest retailer, which lifted shares of the Dow component in premarket trading.
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The Week Ahead... (Mar. 13)
by Staff Writer / Nashville PredatorsWhat to Watch For... |
Monday- Nashville @ Phoenix Coyotes
The Predators and Coyotes close out their season series tonight at Jobing.com Arena. The Predators have posted a road record of 10-13-2 against the Desert Dogs since the start of the 2003-04 campaign, while posting an overall record of 17-11-(1)-2 in the same span. The game will be televised on Fox Sports Tennessee (Comcast HD 1675) with radio coverage on the Preds Radio Network including flagship station 102.5FM The Game. Puck drops at 9:00pm/CT. Thursday- Nashville @ San Jose Sharks Nashville will be facing off against a desperate Sharks team on Thursday as San Jose sits just one point outside of a playoff berth. The Preds are 2-1-0 against the Sharks with Shea Weber leading the team with five points. The game will be televised on Fox Sports Tennessee (Comcast HD 1675) with radio coverage on the Preds Radio Network including flagship station 102.5FM The Game. Puck drops at 9:30pm/CT. Saturday- Nashville @ LA Kings Another team sitting just on the cusp of the playoffs is the LA Kings, who the Preds will meet on Saturday night. These two teams are familiar opponents, having met twice already in the last two weeks. The game will be televised on Fox Sports Tennessee (Comcast HD 1675) with radio coverage on the Preds Radio Network including flagship station 102.5FM The Game. Puck drops at 9:30pm/CT. Sunday- Nashville @ Anaheim Ducks Nashville will be looking to build on their season record of 3-0-0 against the Anaheim Ducks on Saturday at the back half of a back-to-back set. Colin Wilson and Patric Hornqvist are tied for the most points against the Ducks this season with four. The game will be televised on Fox Sports Tennessee (Comcast HD 1675) with radio coverage on the Preds Radio Network including flagship station 102.5FM The Game. Puck drops at 7:00pm/CT. |
The Preds begin a four game West Coast road trip tonight against the Phoenix Coyotes. The team then has two days to rest before beginning the California tour on Thursday against the San Jose Sharks. Games continue on Saturday in LA with a tilt against the Kings. The week closes out with the second game of a back-to-back set on Sunday against the Anaheim Ducks.
Injury Report
- Kevin Klein has missed the last 6 games with an upper body injury.
The Week That Was...
The Preds went 2-1-0 in their three-game home stand last week. The week started out with a close game with the LA Kings, a 5-4 Preds loss. Martin Erat notched his 15th goal of the season in the second period. Sergei Kostitsyn tallied Nashville's third goal of the game and ranks among League leaders in shooting percentage this season. Nashville posted its eighth straight win over the Colorado Avalanche and sixth straight win over the Avs on home ice on Thursday at Bridgestone Arena. Brandon Yip notched his second goal of the season against his former team. Sergei Kostitsyn scored Nashville's third goal of the game, giving him goals in back-to-back games. Martin Erat also posted goals in back-to-back games by adding an empty-netter to seal the win for the Preds. Nashville ended the week with a huge 3-2 win over the Detroit Red Wings. Nashville improved to 6-1-3 in its last 10 home games against Detroit. The new line of Andrei Kostitsyn, David Legwand and Patric Hornqvist powered the Preds in their win. Andrei Kostitsyn lit the lamp twice on the power play, giving him six points in five games as a Predator. Sergei Kostitsyn notched assists on both of his brother's goals.
Eight different Preds skaters recorded multi-point weeks, led by the Kostitsyn brothers with four points each. Both Andrei and Sergei recorded matching 2 goal, 2 assist performances over the course of the week. Patric Hornqvist led the team with 3 goals on the week, while Ryan Suter paced team defensemen with three points (0g-3a) on the week.
Plays of the Week...
The Kostitsyn Brothers combine for the first time with the Preds on a power-play goal vs. Detroit
Ryan Suter's save against Colorado
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Prospect of the Week...
Garrett Noonan -- A fourth round pick by the Preds in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft, Noonan has been a key to Boston University's success this season -- and a big reason by BU is still in the mix to earn one of the No. 1 seeds in the NCAA Tournament this season. He finished last weekend with 2 goals and 2 assists in BU's come-from-behind three-game series win over New Hampshire to advance to the Hockey East Semifinals. Noonan was the savior for the Terriers in the deciding Game 3 with two second period goals as BU cut the UNH lead from 4-1 down to 4-3; he then assisted on the overtime forcing goal in the third period, setting the stage for BU's double-OT win to avoid elimination and advance in the tournament. For the season, Noonan has 16 goals and 26 points in 36 games, to go along with a +21 plus/minus rating, leading the nation in goals by a defenseman.


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Wednesday, December 8, 2010
'Fork's Bent?'... Suspicious Cracks in the Paint Cause Concern
During my visit to Geeekhouse last week, the guys were looking at my Gazelle and pointed out that the bits of cracked paint underneath the fork crown could indicate cracks in the surface of the fork itself. Needless to say, my heart sank.
I noticed the cracked paint before, but didn't think anything of it. The fork blades in of themselves are not deformed and there are no indicators that the front end of the bike has been in a collision. In an impact strong enough to bend the fork, surely there would have been some other damage - but there is not a scratch anywhere. The bicycle also handles absolutely fine - better than fine - with no indication of anything "off" in the steering.
It would be easy to dismiss the cracked paint, if it were not for one red flag: The cracks are symmetrical - right underneath the fork crown, on both the right and the left blade. How did they get there, and how can we tell whether it really is just cracked paint or an indicator of some sort of trauma to the fork?
I was speaking to a local frame-builder yesterday, who advised to check for similar paint cracks in the back of the fork blades. There are none; the paint is cracked only in the front. To him, this was an indicator that the fork could be fine - as stress fractures typically happen in the back and not in the front of the blades. He also pointed out that even if the fork has been bent and reset, or even if there are hairline cracks, a massive Dutch fork like this can probably take it, without it being a safety issue. No doubt there are loads of people in the Netherlands riding ancient beaters with visibly bent forks.
But the bottom line is, that we simply don't know what's going on under that cracked paint. To find out for sure, I would need to remove the paint from the fork blades and thoroughly examine the steel underneath - which I am reluctant to do, as the original paint is so nice. Is there any way to diagnose while keeping the paint intact? Any suggestions or thoughts are welcome.
49 comments:
- AnonymousDecember 8, 2010 at 1:34 AM
At least it's not carbon fiber! That would shatter in seconds. My suggestion is to keep riding, but look for replacement forks if the day ever comes. Surely vintage bicycles are great, but finding components for them can be tricky sometimes.
ReplyDelete - AnonymousDecember 8, 2010 at 1:34 AM
Also, update your "buying a vintage 3 speed" bicycle page. This could come in handy for anyone else out there looking for a bike.
ReplyDelete Based on the sheer number of steel bikes I see with slightly tweaked forks, I've begun to suspect that at least some of the damage is due to braking, not crashes. If you think about it, it's not that crazy of a theory. After all, many step-through frames bend a little in the seat-tube, right? I would love to hear what the experts think.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I once owned a vintage 28" roadster with massive front impact damage. The impact was apparently so severe that the steerer tube was bent and cracked, along with the rest of the fork. But there was no visible damage to the frame or fender and the wheel was marginally rideable -- the rim buckled slightly.
So, if in fact your fork was damaged in a crash, it's possible the wheel went undamaged, or was replaced.lyen - This bike has a very weak front drum brake, but still, you never know. The wheel definitely looks original to the bike based on the aging and wear and tear patterns; no components have been replaced as far as I can tell. (Plus, the previous owner brought the bike to the US from Europe some time ago. Until 2 years ago there were no Gazelles imported and nowhere to get replacement components.) I am trying to imagine a scenario where the fork would be bent right under the crown, but the wheel completely undamaged. Hmmm.
ReplyDeleteWhen the bicycle was being transported from Europe it may have had the front wheel and possibly mudguard removed for ease of transport. It doesn't seem to far fetched to think that it may not have been treated well in transit; the fork could have been stressed without the wheel being affected.
ReplyDeleteIf you have a friend/contact with access to an xray machine you can take the fork and have it xrayed. If I recall correctly, xrays are used to test for welding cracks. You have to use a dye to penetrate the crack, remove the excess and then run the xray.
That seems like a lot of advanced trouble, but it would be pretty cool to do it....and a thought that just occurred to me. Steel and brass expand and contract at different rates. Paint does not tend to do so very well, especially lacquer which is very hard and brittle.
Those cracks could very well be just the edge of the brazing/steel temperature transition cracking the paint apart. I have seen that happen in a number of lacquered wooden clock cases between material transitions.- AnonymousDecember 8, 2010 at 7:08 AM
I do not have an answer to your question, but can relate my experience. In the mid-80's, I had a Bianchi road bike on which I was involved in a accident. A car turned left in front of me and I plowed into the car and flipped the bike (I recall seeing blue sky). I took the bike to a shop and they checked it out on some sort of alignment device. It was pronounced sound. Months later, paint cracks developed on the head tube where it met the seat and down tube. When riding the bike very fast (50+ MPH) down hill, there was a shimmy in the front end. This was very disconcerting, so I avoided these speeds, which wasn't hard because that kind of velocity rarely happens on my rides. My point is, I think it would be possible that a collision could have caused this damage without seeing other signs of damage. My wheel and forks survived the 'endo' just fine and it wasn't until months later that I even noticed my paint cracks.
ReplyDelete "I am trying to imagine a scenario where the fork would be bent right under the crown, but the wheel completely undamaged."
Thumping a garden wall because you have a very weak front drum brake would do 'er. You can bend the frame itself that way with no damage to the wheel or fender at all. A high curb might do as well.
Wheels are very strong longitudinally. Forks are weak at the stress riser where slender blade meets beefy crown.
A crack in paint doesn't imply a crack in the underlying material (although that may be the cause). It just means that the paint has been stretched beyond it's elastic limit.
Steel is "bendier" than paint. Take a paint chip and try to bend it. Now take a paper clip and try to bend it.
The other place for people examining a vintage bike to look for cracked paint is the downtube just behind the headtube lug. Cracks there imply the frame has been thumped pretty good.
"Is there any way to diagnose while keeping the paint intact?"
No.- AnonymousDecember 8, 2010 at 8:43 AM
I wouldn't worry about it.
These bikes are pretty sturdy; as you noted steel forks are often reset after minor damage (road falls) and rear triangle can be cold set.
I'd just ride it reasonably (don't try ramming cars or sharp turns are 40mph); I think you'll have ample warning if there really are any problems
Stephen i have seen several raleigh sports step-throughs where there is an identical pattern of cracking of the paint right above the lug where the sloping top tube meets the seat tube. in all those cases, the seat tube has an ever-so-slight kink from bending right at the lug. this is one of the inherent weaknesses in the step-through frame design (a weakness which, on mixtes, is eliminated by the extra set of seat stays).
so based on this, my hunch would be that there was stress at the fork crown of your fork from a possible front-end blow. however, normally, forks bend along their length, not just at the top. it's possible that the fork had indeed bent and a bike shop or frame shop straightened it, ignoring the paint cracks at the crown (i doubt there are cracks in the steel).
as for replacing the fork, i doubt the fork is proprietary to gazelle. by the 90s, most major dutch manufacturers were using off-the-shelf parts, including frame parts; gazelle not excepted. i wouldn't be surprised if gazelle just sourced a 28" generic fork and slapped their sticker on it. it's possible that DBC boston has some dutch forks lying around, and i'm also guessing that if they did, they'd be in black!Velouria,
One other "non-invasive" step that you could take, if you haven't already, is to remove the fork from the frame and examine the steerer tube. Sometimes, a front-end collision will either slightly bend the steerer tube (put a straight edge on it) or will create a slight bulge on the back of the tube as it enters the form crown. On bikes with closer tolerances and better components (no offense to Linda!), this sort of damage will often cause binding or uneven adjustment in the headset, but I doubt that this could be used diagnostically on the Gazelle--it may not have ever had a perfect adjustment.This may be more than what you want to get into, but it's possible to use ultrasound to view cracks and deficiencies in steel- we sometimes have it used on field welds that are critical. A big steel fabrication place like Metrowest would know who to direct you to, but it would probably be a couple hundred bucks.
You should appeal to the MIT community and see if there's some grad student in metalurgy or materials science who would help you out.. Maybe contact the copenhagen wheel folks for recommendations.oh, another possibility, velouria, in case you can't find a genuine dutch replacement fork: i once picked up a ladies' DL1 (for $10!) that had a severely bent front fork; it was salvageable. after unsuccessfully scouring ebay and CL for weeks for a replacement fork for 28" wheels, i bought an eastman DL1 clone fork from yellow jersey for $40. the steerer tube is raleigh threaded, meaning it used raleigh's proprietary 26 TPI threading for the raleigh headset, but you could have a bike shop re-tap it to standard ISO threading and reuse the gazelle's headset.
ReplyDeleteI've never heard of steel cracking as described. That is usually something that happens to aluminum. I've read that aircraft are inspected for cracks using some form of X-ray device. I'm not sure if it is possible to find a shop that could do that form of inspection on a bicycle. And would it be worth the cost?
My wife's 1959 Raleigh Sports has a bent seat stay. The shop to which she brought the bike advised her that straightening the stay would make it weaker, and that the best thing to do is leave it bent.
Dan.- Chris FotosDecember 8, 2010 at 10:48 AM
An adventurous, tenacious person would try to find, say, a dentist to X-ray that part of the fork.
ReplyDelete you could take the fork off and fill it with pressurized water/air and see if any leaks out through that area. This of course will not work if the tubing isn't connected, another way would be to take the fork off and gently tap each side and listen for different tones (if the metal is cracked it might sound different), and finally you could x-ray it and look for cracks, they do that to bridges sometimes. Gonna guess that might be a bit too much trouble.
I say you keep riding it and not worry about it, that fork will most likely fail gracefully if it fails. Thing is sturdy.
That or just paint the cracks shut and see if they come back, if the area of the fork is flexing the new paint will also crack eventually.- AnonymousDecember 8, 2010 at 11:46 AM
Paint is not especially flexible. It will certainly crack from much less stress or deformation than could damage the fork. It's probably fine :)
ReplyDelete - 300 Pound GorillaDecember 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM
If you happen to be friends with an ultrasound tech, they might be willing to take a peek in the fork. Then, you'd know for sure.
ReplyDelete "I've never heard of steel cracking as described."
Steel cracks all the time. I've lost two frames myself from cracked down tubes and seen dozens of others. Cracked forks are even more common.
As for your wife's seat stay, your shop is full of it. Probably because they can't do the job. Find a new one.Thanks so much for the feedback to all.
I did notice the cracks in the paint when I got the bike, so they are not new. Vintage bikes have cracked and chipped paint all over the place, so I did not think anything of it. The blades of the fork seem fine; I do not see any distortion. And as several have said - steel is much more flexible than paint, so cracked paint does not necessarily imply that the steel under it is bent. Still, when the possibility was pointed out to me by people who know bikes, I couldn't just ignore it.
Though I know people who perform x-rays and ultrasounds, I do not know them well enough where it would be appropriate to ask them to ultrasound/ x-ray my fork -though it's an intriguing idea : )
I also do not want to replace the fork, unless I can find one from the same model Gazelle as this bike. But even then I am not sure I want to spend the money. After all, I have no idea what the history of this bike is and what else might be wrong with it, if indeed the fork has a problem.
My own instinct is that given the lack of deformity in the fork itself, it really might just be damaged paint. Jim P could be right that they are scrapes from an attempted installation, or others can be right that some very minor bending happened in transit when the bike was being brought to the US in the first place, and the paint cracked even though the fork is fine.
I think I will take bostonbiker's advice to seal the cracks in the paint and see if they come back; that could be informative.
One question I have: So what is the worst case scenario if the fork indeed has micro-cracks in that spot and fails? Will it snap in a matter of seconds, taking me down in traffic, or will it creak slowly, giving me time to deal with it?..somervillain said...
"... i doubt the fork is proprietary to gazelle. by the 90s, most major dutch manufacturers were using off-the-shelf parts, including frame parts; gazelle not excepted. i wouldn't be surprised if gazelle just sourced a 28" generic fork and slapped their sticker on it.
Gazelle was late to the party of getting everything outsourced. Based on my investigation (back when I was looking to buy a new Gazelle), they maintained their own factory in the NL until 2006 or 2007 in which they continued to produce the classic line of bikes with fairly few changes in design over the decades. Only in 2006/2007 did they sell the factory and equipment, and began outsourcing production to China, as Batavus and the other Dutch brands do. The post-2007 outsourced Gazelles are easy to differentiate from the earlier models, as the frame construction is a bit different (welded rear stays) and the components are different. I am 99% sure that my mid-90s fork is proprietary to Gazelle. Plus the chromed crown has little Gazelles on it...I bet the fork is fine. It could be that the paint has not adhered to that area due to flux residue from the brazing process. Or it could be that the forks have been tweeked- and straightened. The integrity of the paint on the rear of the blade is a good sign.
Lots of companies specialize in Non-destructive testing(NDT) and could probably detect stress cracks by using an Eddy Current or similar process. The beauty of steel is that it is much more forgiving than aluminum."the possibility was pointed out to me by people who know bikes"
If it were light gauge chrome-moly there would be cause for more concern. The stuff is more brittle than hi-ten. Because it's heavy gauge hi-ten it is even possible to repair a crack by welding.
"bostonbiker's advice to seal the cracks in the paint"
This works. It's best if you clean the area of old paint first though, or the results can be misleading. This will also let you clean up the rust, which will spread UNDER the paint along the crack. Use a brittle lacquer for best results, but be careful of melting original paint. The stuff is "hot."
You won't be able to entirely preserve the paint this way, but you can paint a band that that will look like an intended bit of detail.
"Will it snap in a matter of seconds"
Not likely at that location. The normal forces on the fork will actually press the crack closed. That's why stress fractures happen on the back side.
"will it creak slowly"
Most likely. Possibly for years.- Peppy (the mechanical cat)December 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM
I think when I have some time off we'll take the fork out of the frame, strip the paint and steelwool the metal. Then after examining the metal we'll repaint with black auto enamel & reassemble.
Until then it sounds like the consensus is that it's safe to ride. velouria said:
"Only in 2006/2007 did they sell the factory and equipment, and began outsourcing production to China, as Batavus and the other Dutch brands do."
i wasn't referring to outsourcing production outside of holland. if you look at the lugs, rims, handlebars, grips, lights, fenders, chaincases, fork crowns, etc... of most dutch city bikes made from the 1970s onward... i'm talking about the dutch bikes made in their own brand's factories in holland... they used highly standardized "parts bin" parts, even entire framesets. yes, they were assembled in the netherlands with parts made in the netherlands, but there was little brand distinction, aside from putting proprietary stickers and badges on everything, at least on the everyday city bikes. the fenders on my wife's 1973 union are the exact same fenders that DBC boston was stocking, 35 years later, and were the same fenders that my friend's 1980 batavus had. they obviously came from the same tooling. that's why i think a stock 28" fork from anywhere in the netherlands has a good chance of being identical to the one on your gazelle. it may even have been made at the same factory.- AnonymousDecember 8, 2010 at 3:27 PM
I wonder if truss rods may be a useful addition to the bike at this point. I honestly don't know, but they wouldn't look too out of place.
ReplyDelete If the forks were bent backwards by an impact,
it would not likely cause cracks in the fork
blades unless they were severely bent. However, there may be damage to where the fork blades braze into the fork crown, and where the fork crown brazes to the steerer.
So *I* would:
- remove the fork
- remove the shiny cover over the fork crown
- check for any more cracked paint
- pick off the already cracked paint
- inspect metal underneath
- pick off paint covering all brazed junctions at the fork crown (both blades and steerer - above and below crown).
Inspect thoroughly. Looks for cracks
or any distortion. Also check the steerer
for straightness, or any bulging as Eric said.
If you want to go whole-hog, you might want to take them to a framebuilder who does fork repairs
to look at them and check for alignment in a
fork fixture (jig).
If all looks OK, then repaint the top of the forks
and reassemble. The shiny cover on the fork crown
will hide any paint mismatch.
With newer Gazelles that use the aluminium drum brake, any front impact tends to distort the drum, so when you apply the brake, the brake pulses - gets stronger and weaker with each wheel rotation.
I do not know if your steel drum is prone to this,
but for aluminium ones it is a good indicator of abuse.
I don't think it was the front brake that caused this. This model brake is fairly weak and it stresses one blade more than the other, whereas
you have symmetrical paint damage.
Also check for any paint damage at the junction of the head tube and the "top-tube" and down-tube.
As to the question of whether you will get any warning - it is rare that both blades break
together, so yes you probably will. However steerer failure often does not give much/any warning, hence the importance of checking there.
But as Kfg said, the steel these are made of is capable of a bit of bending and bending back,
just make sure the brazed joints are fine.
John Isomervillain - I realise that. And while I do want to retain those chrome overlays with the embossed gazelles, I also mean that the shape of the crown itself is distinct: the slope, the overall form, etc. For instance, it is different from the fork crown on your wife's Union. Furthermore, based on what I have seem, the fork crowns on Gazelle differed depending on the model - I have seen at least 3 distinct shapes, congruent with different models. I think it would detract from the historical feel of the bike if I just put a generic Dutch fork on it.
ReplyDeleteI weigh 372lbs and managed to bend my Raleigh DL-1
fork severely. At first I started to keep adjusting the rods for the front brakes.On my way home one day the tire start rubbing the fender,and the brakes popped
out of the guides. The paint was and still is all in tact. So I guess what I am saying is, yeah it is a tell tale sign, but it is just that a sign. I would look for other signs, like it not tracking well or overly creaky noises from the front etc..John' I's and Peppy TMC's suggestions about a full inspection are sound. It's something that you and MDI/Peppy could manage in an hour or so with the proper tools. Once you get that crown cover off, you'll get the full picture with the fork blades and lugs. Also, inspecting the steerer tube will tell you if the bike has been crashed and straightened.
Plus, it gives you occasion to clean and lubricate the headset.
I wouldn't worry...
Cyndy The Neighbor and I had a new steerer tube brazed onto her 1957 Phillips forks by a local frame-builder, as the original was so bent from impact that it couldn't be straightened. And it's a Dunelt/Phillips 28" fork. Not made since probably 1965, and a real rare bird. 'Twas less than $100, excluding paint, which it's getting anyway.
You have some of the best frame builders currently working amongst your sponsors. I bet ANTMike, Brian H, or The guys at Geekhouse could *build you* a replacement fork using the original crown lug, if need be.As a retired engineer my advice is to get the forks checked for metal fatigue which can happen exactly where you see paint cracks.
To check you will need to remove some of the paint in the area where you see the cracks then go to an automotive or machine shop to buy a "disclosing kit" for cracks with two part spray. Once cleaned free of paint spray on the dye then wait a bit then the white top coat. DO A LOT OF COVERING OF WHAT YOU DON'T WANT STAINED! If after the top coat is dried IF you see red crack lines your fork is cracked and will need re-enforcing welds. If no red lines then your good to go after you clean off the dye & disclosure. (You can't paint over it!)
Since your bikes paint is lacquer you will need to test a small spot with your repaint lacquer to see if the two paints agree or you will get bad paint wrinkling and/or lift off. DO NOT USE ANY OTHER PAINT BUT LACQUER.
Whatever you do I would NOT ride that bike until you can verify the condition of the fork. Metal fatigue , once started, will continue until failure of the part involved.
Best of luck,
Walt DThere are ways to find out whats underneath the paint but unfortunately it would cost a lot, unless you have a friend with access to equipment and materials, like x-ray.
Or, my understanding is you are located near MIT, so, maybe you could take the fork out and have those engineer geeks mount it on a bench and do some kind of tuning fork-like vibration test.(for example, tapping on the good fork blade and then on the suspect blade?)
Somehow there's a way to get to the bottom of this non-destructively. The question is how to find out free or cheaply.- samuel chilboltonDecember 9, 2010 at 4:54 AM
I really wouldn't worry, just keep an eye on it and don't overload the forks. These bikes have evolved since the 1890s to be strong enough to carry a heavy rider plus luggage and/or passenger, with enough strength to spare for emergency stops and collisions. Compared with a lightweight racing bike they are virtually indestructible. Plus mild steel frames do not break catastrophically, and if any cracks do eventually enlarge you will be aware of something being wrong long before the forks actually snap.
ReplyDelete kfg,
Thanks for the information on steel cracking. That's interesting and I'm glad to learn that it does really happen. I'll have to do some more reading and research.
And I will ask around at other shops to see if there is someone who knows how to repair the otherwise lovely bicycle.
Dan.As has been mentioned though, steel cracks in a very different way from aluminum. Neither of my bikes that cracked failed catastrophically. In fact I rode the second for a couple of weeks before I figured out why it "felt funny." I still have the frame and could assemble it and ride it again if I had to for some reason.
The other one never felt funny at all. I just happened to notice the crack forming because it began at a water bottle boss; so I stopped riding it.
They were also both high milage (over 100k for one of them), lightweight racing bikes that had been pressed into service beyond their design parameters; as well as a fair amount of racing.
All the steel frames I've seen that appeared to fail catastrophically showed signs of having been ridden for a long time after the crack started to form.
Some of these were low mileage (comparatively), heavy gauge hi-ten bikes, but with design flaws that created unnecessary stress risers. These sort of design flaws don't usually last very long in production though, so "venerable" designs don't have them.
As for the bent stay, Park even makes a tool to straighten them. They wouldn't do that if weren't both a common and acceptable procedure. Some shops aren't as good as some others though, and some would simply prefer to convince you you need a new bike.
But some shops actually build a trade around frame repairs. Try to find one of those in your area.i was lucky enough to visit the factory in Dieren and the factory is still there, they just dont build the frames there anymore. Raw frames come from all over and then are painted and assembled in the original Gazelle factory to this day. That fork unfortunately is no longer proprietary, only the chrome crown cover is. But luckily a brand-new replacement fork from Gazelle is still able to be purchased, for about 100 bucks.


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Hotels in Georgetown range from good to reasonable. There are no high-season charges. Nature lovers can stay in cabins at the interior resorts and camps. As power cuts are common, it is advisable to take a torch.
There is a variety of nature resorts, ranches and lodges which offer unusual accommodation. There are also numerous camps, for instance Maparri Wilderness Camp which overlooks the crystal clear river and waterfall, and the Shell Beach Camp at Almond Beach where turtles nest between April and August.
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