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Princess Marie visits Florence, Italy: February 1-2, 2011
HRH Princess Marie visits the European University Institute in the period 1st-2nd February in Florence, Italy.
Princess Marie of Denmark attends a guided visit of the Museum Stibbert on February 1, 2011 in Florence, Italy.
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What a great supporting programme for Marie! Here are the pics without watermarks: ** Princess Marie of Denmark Visits Florence, February 1st, 2011 ** |
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Those are beautiful photos of Marie. She looks engaged and interested in the sights.
Check out the galleries from yesterday, they have been updated with pics from today, February 2nd! :previous::previous: |
Marie looks really good & very confident, I really like the way she is carrying herself on this visit. This seems like a very interesting visit.
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I believe that this is her second international visit by herself. There was the Lego event in November 2008 in Morocco. I think it's great that she's being sent to these international events. It's a good sign of the DRF's confidence in Marie. She always seems so engaged with the people she meets at these events.
Beautiful photos, Marie seems to have a good time in Italy. Good for her :smile:
Do you really think so? To me she looked bored and not engaged at all on day two. :ermm: She didn't even crack her usual grin? :ermm:
Nice to see Princess Marie again. She seems very focus on what the guide's telling her.
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I've never expected that many pictures. She looks good ;)
Finally a Danish article about her visit ;) ** Prinsesse Marie hjemme fra sviptur til Firenze ** translation ** And a Swedish one : ** Nu är prinsessan Marie på besök i Florens ** translation ** |
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/rqRw-I5GCof/Princess+Marie+Denmark+Visits+Florence/5VCT6h2gI5t Have you checked other pictures? She is smiling, talking to people around her, taking pictures. If those are not signs of being interested, than I don't know what is... |
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The difference is in her eyes... She doesn't seem to feel good.
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Nice to see Marie in another visit abroad .
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Another thing that was not mentioned is if this is going to be mostly a drag car or stop light warrior because you cannot get a transbrake for a 700r4 but you can for the th350, so if that was the case I would go with the th350, if it is something that you plan on cruising freeways or taking on any kind of trips or daily drive it I would go with the 700r4 just for the overdrive.
September 26th, 2011, 06:01 PM | #23 | |
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It will be 90% non freeway use(cruise nights and my 10 mile drive to work occasionally), 5% strip, 5% dunes. Talking a 60's Jeep here, not a daily driver. I don't have a problem with the RPMs with 4.10s and TH350. I used to drive my Deuce to work, the 7.8 liter straight piped diesel @ 2600rpm (redline), I drove that many times, including 200 miles straight. I am thinking, with street tires, the full time AWD probably works better than running some 31x15" ET streets on the rear in 2WD. |
September 28th, 2011, 05:34 PM | #24 |
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I think i'm going to use the parts I have, which is a 700R4, and Dana 44 front/9" rear, with 4.56 gears. The axes are not as heavy as I had thought, 220lbs front, 210 rear, complete. That includes drag link, tie rod, and track bar.
Should launch like a beast. I think I'll run 30" tires (general UHPs that I can get dirt cheap). |
September 29th, 2011, 05:54 AM | #26 |
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I run 30" MT ET Streets on my Jeep with a th350 and 4.88 gears. No highway driving/etc. It's fine for what I do.
I am not a fan of the 700's at all, but this is not my project. I can say though, there is no possible way I would ever want to run 4wd on the street. Sooo much power loss through that drivetrain, it's not even funny. As far as converters go though, a GOOD converter is going to be expensive with either trans, so don't let that price bother you. |
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Emily Dickinson is certainly never going to be an easy poet to understand, but her dense, poignant lyrics are now a lot more accessible to ordinary readers thanks to Vendler's unravelings. If you're going to read Dickinson, this "selected poems and commentary" is the place to start. -- Michael Dirda Washington Post 20100909 Emily Dickinson is the sorcerer's stone. Her poetry contains, no, <emphasis>is, the most essential, passionate use of English and the most essential, passionate connection between the English language and nature (our nature, birds and bees nature, God's nature)...Dickinson's spare use of words are just the tip of her iceberg; the waters below contain so many secrets that it truly helps to have a guide to the meter, the myth, the thread of dreams. 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Reading each poem, followed by Vendler's commentary, it feels like you're in your own private poetry class. -- Josh Rothman Boston Globe 20101025 [A] superb and invigorating new selection of 150 poems and probing commentaries...The poet that Vendler finds in these poems is an ambitious and sometimes magisterial artist of extraordinary range and verbal control. Vendler's comprehensive reassessment of Dickinson's achievement seems to me the most challenging new reading of Dickinson since the poet Adrienne Rich's remarkable essay "Vesuvius at Home" (1975)...What Vendler, perhaps the most skilled and accomplished close reader of lyric poetry of her generation, adds to this picture is a renewed attention to Dickinson's deliberate and consummate artistry, along with a fresh way to read cryptic poems that may seem, superficially, to have little to do with the "maelstrom" of human emotions. -- Christopher Benfey New York Review of Books 20101125 The reigning doyenne of American poetry criticism is a close reader par excellence. [Vendler] loves her favorite poets unstintingly. She seems to think and feel in their language--to think and feel through their work, as through a membrane. Her Dickinson: Selected Poems and Commentaries plays exactly to her strengths, as did her 1997 edition of Shakespeare's sonnets...What I like best about Vendler's Dickinson is its can-do attitude. Yes, it assures the reader, the poem says what you think it says: trust your own eyes, experience, and heart...She doesn't try to quash the mystery of the poems; she notes their ambiguities but by and large leaves those to do their work--and leaves us closer to a canonical poet whom we are still only coming to know. -- Lorin Stein Harper's 20101201 Dickinson continues to entertain and enlighten me. Vendler manages to clarify and illuminate Dickinson's poetry without oversimplifying the work of a complex mind. Her succinct but astute readings of Emily Dickinson's poetry are little kernels of insight into a wickedly keen poetic mind. -- Hillary Kelly New Republic 20101222 This year Helen Vendler published her own selection of Dickinson's verse along with astute commentary. After reading Dickinson's fifty or seventy-five best poems you realize that few poets have written this many poems of this much merit. Dickinson's manuscripts show that she left behind multiple variations on words and phrases, sometimes as many as a dozen, without favoring a particular one. Vendler points out moments when Dickinson wrote one word, only to bracket it and replace it with another. Not since Vendler's meticulous commentary on Shakespeare's sonnets has a finer book of close-readings been published. -- Jeannie Vanasco Lapham's Quarterly 20101229 What Vendler did for Shakespeare's sonnets, she has done again for Dickinson's poems, demonstrating her refined skill and rare gift for loving attentiveness. When our age of hurry and perspiration threatens close reading, Vendler helps us slow down--way down until meter, word choice, punctuation, metaphors, tone, and allusion matter. She deftly reveals that form is as much a carrier of meaning as content. -- Christopher Benson First Things 20101221 These commentaries on a selection of Dickinson's poems are best summed up in one word: brilliant. Skeptics who might be inclined to question whether anyone has anything new to say about Dickinson's oeuvre nearly 125 years after her death will find that the answer to that question is a resounding yes. Vendler manages to offer original, insightful observations about Dickinson's humor, her pain, her metaphysical abstractions, and her syntactical inversions. -- D. D. Knight Choice 20110301 Vendler's commentaries are enlightening and enjoyable revelations of Dickinson's often elusive meanings; she is also a master of the technical and devotes consistent attention to the poet's metrical skills and innovations. -- Maurice Earls Dublin Review of Books 20110301 This new book is as meticulous as Vendler's commentary on Shakespeare's Sonnets (1997). As well as their mysterious inner lives, these are poets who share an ability to compress the maximum force into the fewest words. In Dickinson's case, her manuscripts show that she left behind multiple variations on words and phrases, sometimes as many as a dozen, without any indication of favoring one over the others. She claimed that her closest companion was her lexicon. -- Jeannie Vanasco Times Literary Supplement 20110513 Helen Vendler provides clear commentary, uncluttered by fashionable and hyphenated literary theory, on 150 poems by one of the most enigmatic American poets. -- Elizabeth Hoover Pittsburgh Post-Gazette 20110424 再讀一些...
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Most "new" concepts are not really new. They come and go in various incarnations, ever growing in our mass consciousness, until they reach the critical mass known as "everyone is talking about it." Two such concepts are metafiction in literature and its TV/film equivalent, "breaking the fourth wall".
The fourth wall is the space between the audience and the actors on a stage, the first three walls being stage left, the background, and stage right. When an actor in a play addresses the audience directly, this is called "breaking the fourth wall." It is not generally done in traditional plays or movies because it would interrupt the "reality" of the story, but we can all think of exceptions to the rule.
Remember Laurel and Hardy, when Stan Laurel did something exceptionally silly, and Oliver Hardy turned his head slowly toward us and looked directly into the camera, as if to say, "Do you believe this? See what I have to put up with?" Then there was the duet between Bob Hope and Bing Crosby in the movie Road to Morocco, when Hope speaks directly to Paramount Studios, beseeching them to keep making more "road movies" so he can keep his job. More recently, a wonderful take-off on Bob and Bing's road songs was featured in an episode of Fox television's animated series, Family Guy, with Brian the Dog and baby Stewie trading song verses and wisecracks. This brings us to the Fox Network and Garry Shandling.
The Fox Network came on strong in the eighties, aspirating to be on the cutting edge of television (and quite successfully, many will agree). Fox recognized something special in a TV shows on the Showtime cable network called, It's Garry Shandling's Show. Here is a quote from The Museum of Broadcast Communications web site:
Shandling's antics included 'breaking the fourth wall' --acknowledgement and direct address of the audience, both in the studio and at home, as part of the show. In one episode, Garry told the audience to feel free to use his "apartment" (the set) while he was at a baseball game. Several people from the audience (perhaps extras) left their Gary seats to read prop books and play billiards in front of the cameras as the program segued into its next scene."
When Shandling later guest starred in an episode of The X-Files, there is a great moment where agents Mulder and Scully are sitting in a darkened movie studio where, according to this episode's plotline, a movie is being made about them, with Shandling in the role of Mulder. For a brief moment, it almost seems like actors David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson have stepped out of character, giving us a glimpse through that fourth wall:
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I remember being impressed because it meant that the Fox Network, Shandling, Duchovny, and Anderson were probably hip to certain writers which I admired. Kurt Vonnegut had broken the "literary fourth wall" in his novel, Breakfast of Champions, by appearing as a character in the book. Phillip K. Dick did the same thing in his novel Valis. In literature, however, it's not called breaking the fourth wall. It's called metafiction.
Metafiction is described by Wikipedia as "fiction which self-consciously addresses the devices of fiction. It usually involves irony and is self-reflective." Wikipedia says metafiction "came to prominence in the 60's" while acknowledging that the style has been around in small doses much longer. The term "metafiction" and its popularity are becoming more widespread. As usual, it takes the mainstream media a while to discover something already familiar to a relative few.
Case in point: Spanish-American author Felipe Alfau wrote a novel in English called Locos: A Comedy of Gestures and Chromos in 1936. This collection of short stories, says the Wikipedia online encyclopedia, featured "several characters that defy the wishes of the author, write their own stories, and even assume each others' roles." The book received little critical acclaim until, in 1987, an editor for the Dalkey Archive Press found a used copy of the book, liked it, and contacted the author for permission to re-release it. Alfau agreed for his book to be published again, asking that all his royalties from sales be used to help unknown writers get their books in print.
Some writers who have produced older works of metafiction are:
Jorge Luis Borges: Most famous for his short stories, Borges once said, "Whoever is reading my words is inventing them."
Vladimir Nabokov: His best known book, Lolita is not metafiction; but his second most discussed book, Pale Fire, is.
Richard Brautigan: back in my hippie days, we didn't call it metafiction, we called it "trippy."
Here are some modern examples of metafiction:
I, The Divine: A Novel In First Chapters by Rabih Alameddine: Every chapter in the book is "Chapter One" and it's like the author is trying to write a biography of herself, but she never can get past the first chapter. Each chapter is different; however, and taken as a whole, the book becomes a complete depiction of a complex character.
A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius by Dave Eggers: I found this book in the autobiography section of the library, but it is a mixture of reality and fantasy, with Eggers there to tell us which parts he made up and why. One character, Toph, breaks the fourth wall and speaks directly to the author.
House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski: First published in various forms on the internet, then as a book in 2000, it is a wild ride through labyrinths of texts about other texts, commentaries on documentaries, footnotes on footnotes, all while holding the reader's interest with a plot about a mysterious house which is growing bigger, longer, and deeper on the inside but staying the same size on the outside.
As I wrap up this article, it occurs to me that maybe I am not writing this at all. Perhaps you, the reader, have dreamed me up, and my existence will click-flicker fade away when you log off your computer.
the dead are everywherearen't they?hi bill. i appreciate this one. some stuff there i havent read but it'll happen eventually. what do you think about 'choose your own adventure' books? is that meta enough for you baby? hasn't tv been knocking down walls since early on when it was all live and burns would roll his eyes at allen? not to mention all the walls they had to knock down to build on to the studios once they realised the medium was sticking to everything.like CYOA or hamlet soliloquizzing the audience ...[ham: how many dimples on a golfball folks?ham: 672.ham: no that's too many.ham: out damn spot](he forgot to talk to anyone else. he's probably at least juggling flaming chainsaws here.)and the imperative to CYOA is the second person. you you you you. you killed him in your brooks brothers suit you sonofabitch. it piles up. it feels almost accusatory. it draws a you in. if you jump to the ground turn to page 52.if you hold on turn to page 53.is most of this metafiction what they call postmodern? these things twine and twain and twist and you're left with a thousand stories and a weighty sense of irreality. just what i was looking for.
That's right, I almost forgot about that one. Nowdays they do it on a lot of shows.
Indeed.I actually think those choose your own adventure books are kind of cool. I don't know if I would call them metafiction; however, as there is really not a blurring of lines between the reader and the story in the strict sense. I'm thinking of doing a choose your adventure story online, but, I don't expect it to be any kind of literary achievement, just a fun exercise.And yes, metafiction is part of postmodernism, as you can see by clicking here.
Miguel de Unamuno, the spanish writer, made the same thing on his novel "Niebla" (mist), were the principal character, angry because of his destiny, travel to Unamuno house (his creator's house) and both have an interesting philosophic conversation.
as much as i keep coming back to this article, it seems i should leave a kudo.
the reason i keep coming back to it is the self-recognition.
somewhere in between the 4th wall and the meta lies a lot of influences i got in the 70's -the headtohead hearttoheart conversationality of kerouac or bukowski's sighing plaints, or even the real person gonzo journalism of thompson, all authentic stuff busting down BS or at leats old forms [of it]... influences. both overt (in manner), and covert (that i came to realize here).
so this piece was a brain-mover, and touched on stuff i both hadn't consciously delved into thinking more fully out, and subconsciously intuited.
great great job, Bill. thank you muchly.
'Chiliad' by Simon Otius, at unhappened dot com, is metafiction, but an immensely difficult yet rewarding read, requiring great patience.


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Microsoft .Net software's hidden cost
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Companies planning on moving their old programs to Microsoft's new .Net software plan had better prepare for sticker shock: Making the conversion could cost roughly half of the original development cost, Gartner says.
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That may come as a blow to penny-pinching information systems departments in big companies, even those very familiar with Windows programming.
Typically, moving to a new software release isn't so costly. But, warns Gartner's Mark Driver, .Net isn't just a new release of Windows.
"People mistakenly assume the cost of upgrading will somehow be the same as going from one version of a well-established product to another. That's definitely not the case (with .Net)," said Driver, who devised the cost model.
Ari Bixhorn, Microsoft's product manager for Visual Basic.Net, disputed Gartner's conclusions. He said most conversions to .Net are about 95 percent error-free, meaning they can be completed at a cost much lower than what Gartner estimates.
Gartner, however, considered factors other than code conversions in its analysis, such as training and lost productivity. Bixhorn said he didn't see either training or productivity problems as much of a concern.
Microsoft's .Net plan includes new releases of the company's Windows operating system and other server software, along with development tools and infrastructure to make programs more Internet-aware. One new technology supported by .Net is Web services, which promise to make linking internal computer systems, and systems residing in multiple companies, far easier than current methods.
What's unclear is whether the additional cost of moving to .Net will slow Web services releases. Several technology buyers told News.com this week that they are waiting for additional standards and better compatibility before they commit to large-scale projects.
The most prominent piece of .Net released so far is Visual Studio.Net, a new version of Microsoft's development tool package, which debuted in February.
Visual Studio.Net includes new versions of familiar tools such as Visual Basic and Visual C++. But the tool bundle is radically different than predecessors. It includes a new development language called Visual C# (pronounced "see sharp"), and introduces the .Net Framework and Common Language Runtime, which are technologies for managing and running programs.
The new development tool package also ushers in ASP.Net, a specialized type of software called a class library, replacing an older technology called Active Server Pages (ASP) for creating Web applications that support new Web services technology.
Still, long term, Driver predicted that making the switch to .Net for building new programs would help lift productivity and create more efficiency within companies.
"Over the course of the lifetime of an application, .Net might give you 20 percent cost advantage or more over using the older technologies," he said. "You will be able to recover that migration cost over the course of three to five years."
Companies making the switch could do so all at once, but most will likely make the change over a longer period of time. Either way, the cost of migration stays the same.
"It's an issue of paying the 60 percent up front or over the course of three years," Driver said.
The largest cost is code conversion. Because it is difficult to calculate, the 60 percent estimate in some cases could be too low.
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"Some clients have asked about going directly to C#," Driver said. "For the vast majority, going from Visual Basic to Visual Basic.Net may be painful, but it's going to be the least painful of the strategies."
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Without a doubt, companies switching to the new tools and migrating software applications over the long haul will find the switch over the easiest, but even they face difficulties in planning. Driver used the example of a developer running the older version of Visual Studio and Visual Studio .Net over a protracted period.
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Uh huh.
He specifically said 8 weeks to code and test in ASP.
You're trying to claim that doesn't have a specific meaning.
The 'explanation' is that he simply mis-stated, made a slight error in what he said. He explained in detail later, and you saw that explanation, so that's how you know what he meant.
And now you're trying to claim that a simple, obvious sentence doesn't say what it obviously said.
You just dislike me, because I have the nerve to actually have the opinion that MS is not always the very best technology. So you jumped down my throat. And a thread that was suppose to be about .NET became about me and Jeeves.
Seems pretty clear to me.
As I'm sure you won't be surprised to hear, I have serious doubts about that claim.
But hey, I don't really care overall, as I hope I've shown. I just want to have a tech discussion. When your posts have substance, I try to respond to the substance, ignoring the high-school name calling.
I think you believe that any suggestion that there is anything anyone does better than MS is a battle to be fought, and an enemy to overcome.
I really wonder what your actual age is, considering the level of discourse typical of some of your posts. Again, not that I care if you're 15 or 55. It's just always interesting to speculate.
I'm sure you've come across many, many folks online pretending to be what they aren't, as I have.
Right, he made a claim in 17. I questioned him about the claim, and it turned out the claim was inaccurate by post 40. In his subsequent posts he said some very different things than he said in post 17.
And then in his post 47, he got upset and left.
You came in at 42, not "from the first line". Therefore you came in after my questions made it obvious his original statement was in error.
And then you jumped down my throat for challenging his origninal statement.
Funny, eh?
Jeeves: The sky is green.
Harr: No, the sky is blue.
Jeeves: I mean, the sky is blue.
Discostu: Harr, you idiot! He clearly meant the sky was blue! What is your problem?
Oops, I mean you came in at 41.
Anyway, you weren't there until *after* the explanation had already been given.
And I think you opposed me in a purely knee-jerk reaction. If I'm on one side, you were going to take the other.
Thank you Microsoft.
The only problem with .Net is that my integrity will probably force me to recommend a solution to my clients that might mean much less business for me. After all, once you get them setup, networks based on Sun's and Mac's require little outside maintenance and upgrades are almost always quite painless. Fortunately, most corporate decision makers have bought thoroughly into the Microsoft propaganda and will not take such advice, so my increased income is probably assured.
That's why I like Microsoft so much. Every time they release a new product, they create more work for consultants, like me. They have convinced most of the world that problems are just a normal part of computing and, in doing so, have single-handedly created a booming IT Consulting industry, that would not exist if the Mac had become the standard.
Thank you Microsoft.
I assume you're talking about me, for one. I am no salesman. I'm a developer.
I can tell. You at least can speak the language. We both know who the marketing poser is.
Um -- yes, you have.
And of *course* I point out times that Java might have worked better. In that case, I was just pointing out that it was better than regular ASP at that specific task -- which he described fully.
In your world, no mention of Java allowed in an MS discussion. I do feel .NET is good, and Java is better at most things. That is clearly not allowed in your world.
Must be an awfully small world.
In the short run, yes.
In the long run, tho, no. I don't think so. Just a guess.
ROFL... It's really really hard not to attack you personally. Especially when your posting history, tactics, and motives are so friggin' transparent.
Then I'd say I know all I need to know about discussing tech with you.
That post has a clear, deliberate meaning. It was an attempt to say that 8 weeks of coding was migrated in 8 hours.
You claim it did *not* mean coding, but an entire project. It *said* coding, and the topic was coding. But you don't think it meant coding.
Got it.
And you still feel it's an "insult" to say that you feel another tech might have been a better choice.
I think the backpeddling has just lead you off a cliff.
Well, in my world, each technology is better at some things than others. So each has good and bad.
Java has bad -- slower execution times, it's a nightmare to use some local file systems, etc.
I can admit that. That is not an 'insult' to me. You can tell me I made a mistake in using a Java applet for a simple clock, it should have just been ASP. I'd agree, wouldn't consider that an insult.
.NET, also, has good and bad. The good -- OO design, potentially cross-platform, faster development than traditional MS development.
But now's where you start to attack.
.NET also has bad. It's untested. MS has a bad track record. There is no 'applet' style web application (and no, a Windows-only WinForm won't do for any internet applet I do, it can *not* be Windows-only).
One of us is a salesman. The other is a working developer (well, on vacation this week!).
Look, it's very simple:
So while eight weeks to eight hours might be an exaggeration, two weeks to eight hours is an understatement - the platform was converted, not just the programming language used for the web pages.
Bottom line: .NET suits our needs perfectly. It is going to save us a lot of development and a lot of money. We are not computer scientists writing compilers and trying to squeeze out a few more cycles from the CPU, nor are we theorists trying to implement the latest esoterica. We are business people trying to help our company save and ultimately make money. We have a Microsoft code base, Microsoft databases and a lot of experienced Microsoft desktop application users and VBA programmers. In our case (and in the case of the majority of "Microsoft shops"), incurring the tremendous training and legacy code conversion expenses of switching to Java and Oracle would be like digging a hole to put up a ladder.
It's just fascinating that others chose to try and rationalize the misunderstanding.
I respect what you're saying about using .NET.
I'll only say that I think that any IT shop that is "Fill in the blank"-only, including MS-only, is making a big, big mistake. Being good a delivering useful tools means an open mind, and being able to select the best possible solution available regardless of vendor.
I would feel the same about a 'Sun-only' shop. In fact, I'd be *more* horrified by a 'Sun-only' shop!
8 weeks of ASP code and test.
Which still has nothing to do with the analysis, db design and SQL stored proc writing you claim.
Of course you stick by your guns, claiming that a clear sentence means the opposite of what it says.
You've proven unwilling to do anything else.
I give. You win the denial contest. I will not waste any more of your time. Post 17 was *very* clear.
Since .Net will dramatically increase the need for outside consultants, such news from Gartner warms my heart.
In the short run, yes.
In the long run, tho, no. I don't think so. Just a guess.
Agreed. .Net will eventually reduce the need for outside consultants, like myself.
But, history tells me that shortly after Microsoft gets .Net to that point, they will discontinue support for it, in favor of some new buggy product that will create even more need for my consulting services. They will continue to release broken, buggy and/or less than fully functional products that are incompatible with prior products. They will eventually fix those products just before the replacement product is to be released. That's how they make their money. There is no indication that Microsoft has any intention of changing that development policy. After all, that policy is what put them where they are.
That's why I am thoroughly convinced that hanging on to Microsoft's coat tails will continue to make consultants like me rich, for many years to come.
It is *potentially* cross-platform, as your link proved it is possible. But clearly not yet ready for Unix/Linux/Apple work.
It is untested and new.
And it has no answer to the applet, yet.
As I said, you won't admit any negatives in reference to any MS product. Your opinions are, in my estimation, straight from the MS salesman talking points.
Hmmm, possible. Certainly is a method they've chosen in the past.
Don't know. I hope not. I think it's time the IT industry delivers on this 'Internet' thing we've sold everyone on. The American software industry -- from Oracle to MS to Sun -- has in the past sold a bunch of software that was a pretty poor-quality product, as every other industry measures quality.
I believe it's time for the American software industry to grow up.
Hopefully, .NET and Java will be prime movers in that.
"Hey Mr. Java developer, that tool you just built could have been done better, and faster, and cheaper in C#. You should have used .NET".
Java Dev: "Oh, really? Thanks, I'll check it out. I'm always interested in better ways to do my job."
"Hey Mr. MS-only developer, that tool you just built could have been done better, and faster, and cheaper in Java. You should have used Java."
MS-only Dev: "What an insult! How dare you criticize me and my work. I use MS products, and that's an MS product, so that's good enough for me. Now don't ever insult me like that again."
Food for thought.
And there's no excuse for a developer being that defensive.
If they hear there's a better, cheaper way, they should be interested.
Especially since I was never rude in tone or language, like your side.
It's funny -- I politely suggest that someone wasted their bosses time and money, and that's treated as a grave insult.
People on your side to call names like "moron" and "aquamaroon", and generally act like 15 year olds with ADD, and I take no personal offense at all.
I wonder if you're enough of a student of human nature to know what that really means?
Probably not. You also don't feel that the plain meaning of words means anything, if it was an exaggerated claim about .NET.
Just consider -- a thread about .NET, and the only one doing any serious inquiry and discussion is a Java developer. The entire conversation has centered around a Java developer.
"Dude, did you just put Premium in your bosses car? I don't think Premium is worth it, and that's a waste of his money, Premium isn't worth it."
"Dom, did you just pay for tech support on that product? I don't believe you'll need it, and that's a waste of your bosses money!"
"Dom, did you spend an extra week making that app 3-tiered, instead of just using stored procs? I think you just wasted your bosses time and money."
No, not offensive at all.
Not to normal human beings, anyway. Only to someone so defensive they are offended at the very suggestion that they could be wrong. And that's only one kind of human. A very fragile one . . .
Just consider, from what you know of human nature, what kind of person blows up at the slightest contradiction to an idea or skill of theirs?
Or just consider, from what you know of human nature, what it means when one side of a debate patiently tries to discuss a topic, while the other side jeers and name calls and argues about tiny little details that have nothing to do with the topic of discussion!
I wonder, are you so far gone you don't even realize that name-calling is one of the surest signs of a lost intellectual debate?
There are no perfect developers.
So a developer has to be willing to admit the possibility of errors, and not be offended at the slightest suggestion that there are better techniques and methods out there. All developers have different ways of doing things. They'll *all* say you're making a mistake in one way or another, on one specific design pattern or coding standard.
A developer can not be easily offended by suggestions he could have done better. If you think this was 'offensive', you should hang out with some of the developers I work with. When they think you screw up, they'll tell you straight out. No BS, no Politically Correct dancing around your "feelings" like you want.
It's funny, I don't see John Wayne storming off in a huff because someone said to him they thought he wasted his bosses time and money making 'Ghengis Khan'. I somehow think John would either agree that he made a flop, or just not take offense at the blinding reality that GK was a real stinker.
Heck, if you think this is offensive, you should peruse the 'Drug War' threads, or the 'Evo v. ID' threads, or the 'Bushies v. Bush-bashers' threads.
Now those are rough.
Maybe you should just look at the vitriol coming from your side of the isle. And *he* took offense?
It takes all kinds, I guess.
Just for the record, Deutsche Bank's IT division is a major competitor of my firm. Today they went down to Florida for a MAJOR client to demo their VB .Net product that competes with our VB 6 product.
I got the giggly phone call from one of the client's staffers this afternoon. Deutsche Bank's VB .Net app failed to download, failed to install, and failed to run. They killed three hours with principals of this client looking on (not good to waste EVP's time, either).
Now last year when their app was still in VB 6, they nailed their demo and snagged quite a few clients.
Not now with Dot Net. Oh, they thought that their code had been converted properly, and they knew that they had properly tested it.
The good news is that their flub will make my firm even richer.
Such is life in production, where real coding counts for more than bells and whistles, and where professionals know what true backwards compatibility is worth...
You seem to have taken this "insult" even harder than he has.
I found him to be mature and well spoken, we disagreed but I believe he handled himself in an adult and professional manner.
In fact, you've spent the entire thread arguing about a small slight to someone else. I find that very odd. I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like it here on FR.
I'm done discussing Mr. Jeeves with you. This is wierd. I'm going back to trying to discuss .NET.
That does not sound good.
Needless to say, their VB 6 version was much stiffer competition. Heck, at least it worked.
Now I'm sure that their crew of whiz kids will have to explain to D-Bank execs why their "upgrade" to Dot Net was such a good thing.
Suckers. Well, at least the kids will have the "latest technology" on their resumes as they get booted back out into the job market...
But.. whenever they say that to me personally, they're also rolling their eyes. What do they mean by that?
As you made clear, in your earlier posts -- you don't know about .NET, and don't have any opinions on the subject, and are apparently only here to try desperately to find *something* to argue with me about, no matter how senless and small.
So you've claimed words mean the opposite of what they say, and trumped a small comment into a world-shattering insult.
Let's face it -- the 'common thread' here is MS-only people dislike me because I dare to use Java.
This thread is about .NET. Do you have anything to say about that topic?
This also points out why that list of PR Press release 'case studies' from the MS website which are listed as 'success stories can't be trusted.
That's specifically why I'm trying to find out specifics on any .NET implementations.
I want the truth.
I'm not sure. All the Java guys I know checked C# out. Most of us are building little tools and personal projects with it, just because that's what we do.
It's not what the salesmen would have you believe, but it has some nice things to it.
My favorite detail is that you can use 'Strings' in switch statements. A small detail, but it suits my coding style well.
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