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This is a fan duct for the MK8 Extruder. It's purpose it to cool extruded materials thereby significantly improving print quality. Especially small prints and prints with sharp corners.
Ever have portions of your print rising up higher than the rest of the layer? This is the cure.
Designed from scratch in Tinkercad to be compatible with Emmet's Minimalistic MK8 Extruder.
Derived from kommisar's MK7 duct.
Please ready step 6 carefully. Failure to do so may damage your Replicator.
1) Print duct. I used 15% infill, 0.2mm layers, 1 shell. No Support, No Raft. Make sure you have a sticky print bed and that your nozzle is nice and close to it.
1.5) Recommended: Turn your printer off until step 9.
2) Unbolt extruder fan and heatsink. Take off the heatsink and set the old spacers aside.
3) Loosen the two bolts on the plastic piece that holds the extruder wiring harness and filament guide, on top of your extruder. Loosen them until they're about to come out.
4) Install heatsink into the duct. It goes in the side with the depressed area - not the flush side. Don't insert the fan or bolts yet.
5) Hold the heatsink in place while you slide the assembly into place on the extruder. You will probably need to tilt your extruder motor shaft upward for the parts to fit into place. At the same time, also lift up on your filament holder / wiring harness holder to get the edge of the heatsink under the lip. This step is easier done than explained.
6) With the new part in place, and using your HAND, move the entire extruder down the X-axis guide rods, all the way to the right. The arm on the new part needs to press the endstop button on the circuit board. You will hear it click. If your rep is on, a red light too. If it does not contact the button, this part will not work and trying to use it will probably break something.
6) Gently tighten the two bolts for the wiring harness and filament guide. They should not be very tight. You want the wiring harness / filament holder able to move a little.
7) Reinstall fan and bolts. Make sure fan is moving air toward the extruder (label facing extruder).
8) Confirm the heatsink is in contact with the aluminum heat transfer block that connects the extruder motor. Confirm the duct is not putting pressure on the X-axis guide rods.
9) If all is well, adjust your X-axis home offset. You can do this by running a calibration script or decrease the X offset by ~16.5mm. In ReplicatorG go to Machine -> Onboard Preferences -> Homing/VREFs -> X home offset. Do some math. Commit. This step is needed because you altered the home position of your extruder by ~16.5mm by installing the new duct :)
10) Enjoy! Post a picture if you make one.
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but doesn't this mean you have to run 100% fan all the time, since you're cooling both your nozzle throat and cooling your platform?
End result being, even PLA can warp with a fan in the first few layers. then your nozzle contacts supports, or walls and your print is ruined.
Maybe it's warmer, less voluminous air than I get from my filament cooling fan.
RepG might not be setting the value on your mightyboard. Try using the onboard controls to verify the X offset has been changed. Utilities -> Home Offsets -> X Offset -> 135.490mm. You can also modify it there.
I'm on firmware 7.3... I don't seem to have a "home offsets" menu. There's a "home axes" menu under "utilities", but it just sends it "home", doesn't let me adjust anything. What's your firmware? thanks!
Ah, I'm not on Sailfish, stock Makerbot firmware. Maybe it's time to upgrade ;)
Successfully printed this out, but I can't get my rep1 calibrated afterwards. Feel like I'm missing something fundamental: I measured the gap with my calipers: yep, about 16.5mm. Just like you said, in the repG ctrl panel I modify the x home offset. Honestly I wasn't sure if I should add or subtract the value, but here's the thing: Changing that value makes no difference to the machine: Each time after I set the value (to either 135 or 168, given a base value of 152), I do a reboot, confirm the value was set, and print: every time, it starts printing off the left side of the build plate based on the current missing offset value. However, via the repG ctrl panel, if I say "center x" it goes to the exact middle of the plate (based on a current value of 135). If you could confirm if the value should be added or subtracted would be helpful, and any other advice to get it re-centered. What am I missing here? :) Thanks!
This is very clever - using the existing fan's air flow is much simpler than adding another fan. No added cabling, no buying another fan, etc.
But is cooling the plastic right out of the extruder a good idea for both ABS and PLA? For PLA you certainly want to cool off the plastic as soon as it's printed, but I've always heard that for ABS you want to keep the ABS warm (by closing the sides, using a heated print bed, etc.) to keep it from warping. If this gives improved PLA prints but worse ABS prints, that would mean swapping it in/out when changing print materials, which would be a lot of work. Or does it turn out to work well for ABS as well?
 I use it for ABS.  I use it in an enclosure and don't get warped parts.
It really only cools the top layers faster than usual - not the lower layers, which are the ones that would cause warping if cooled.
 I was wondering on how it would perform with ABS.
I'll put this on soon, as I have had issues with
steep angle edges curling. This could improve the prints.
Is this compatible for Dual Emmet's Minimalistic MK8 Extruder on a Replicator1 ?
It's only for a single extruder. However, it can be easily modified for a dual setup.  http://tinkercad.com/things/gJsUvBNIGqotinkercad.com/things/gJsUvBNIG...
Tweaked, printing now. I'll share here as soon as I verify that it fits.
If your teaked version is for the dual and your print/version works this would be great. :) Look forward to your results.
It's http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:33254http://www.thingiverse.com/thi....
Basically I copied it in TinkerCAD and clipped off one of the two vents, then mirrored one copy.


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"Sparks is so convinced that information about alien cultures and activity of great importance for human health and the future of the Earth has been illegally suppressed by government officials that he is vigorously pursuing a National Security Information Amnesty Bill that would allow records to be opened and these individuals to come forward with what they know without fear of reprisal."
Vast numbers of Americans are having experiences which have come to be known as the "alien abduction phenomenon." Despite the readiness of people who are not familiar with the details of the phenomenon to offer psychiatric or other conventional explanations, none of these has even begun to account for the strange nature, richness, and awesome power of these experiences. Those who are willing to pay attention to what is going on here are confronted with an intriguing mystery of expanding scope. Jim Sparks' case has many of the features that have been reported now in hundreds of instances, but it is also unusual in several respects. His account provides one of our richest and most detailed documentation of an abduction history. In addition, he shows clearly how the experiences evolved, together with shifts in his own consciousness. But above all, Sparks' recall is altogether conscious, i.e., without the benefit of hypnosis, relaxation exercises, or any of the other uses of a non-ordinary state of consciousness for the exploration of buried memories. This should help to settle what may still remain of the suspicion that these experiences are somehow the product of a narrator trying to please a hypnotist.
As for myself, I met Jim Sparks for the first time in March of 1996, and although we have had two interviews and several other conversations, I cannot be regarded as complicit in bringing forth his knowledge, as his book was far along before we ever met.
Sensing that he has something important to teach us, Sparks avoided reading about abductions lest his prior knowledge contaminate the account. Nevertheless, his story is in many ways consistent with the narratives and lives of other abductees I have seen or whose cases have been published. He has the passion, curiosity, and self doubt of an authentic, truthful voice. There would be little reason to question the reality of what he has written, except for the fact that from the standpoint of the materialistic world view that still dominates our culture, what Sparks has to tell us is simply not possible. We are then faced with the choice of rejecting his story prima facie, or allowing ourselves to expand our notions of the possible by attending to what he has to say.
Jim Sparks is an Italian American in the commercial real estate business. The experiences that he remembers began [in 1988]. He has been informed by the alien beings that they are concentrating their contact now upon ordinary people (he regards himself as an "average person") because agreements with earth's leaders to "correct the environmental condition of your planet" were violated. Furthermore, Sparks is so convinced that information about alien cultures and activity of great importance for human health and the future of the earth has been illegally suppressed by government officials that he is vigorously pursuing a National Security Information Amnesty Bill that would allow records to be opened and these individuals to come forward with what they know without fear of reprisal.
Initially, Sparks' experiences, which occurred as often as several times a month, were typically intrusive and terrifying, including the forced extraction of sperm that has so often been reported. Furthermore, he had been brought into a "mind boggling" world where known physical laws were broken, including passage through solid objects, shape shifting, and instant, apparently thought activated transport. Something, Sparks tells us, had "invaded my being right down to the core." A process, totally outside of his control, had befallen him which utterly broke down his will, "probing through to the deepest fiber of my mind." Sparks tried desperately to relate what was happening to him to familiar notions, thinking at first that he was being taken over by evil spirits.
Little by little, Sparks was able to put aside his rage, overcome fear, and accept that he was encountering some sort of technologically advanced nonhuman intelligence from which he could not escape; beings with the "ability to scan the deepest fibers of your soul," before which he was quite powerless. As he was able to surrender, the experiences transformed. Sparks found that he had been inducted into a kind of "alien boot camp," a school of training and testing that made heavy use of riddles, ambiguity, paradox and symbology, where much of the communication occurred telepathically, or via connection with the aliens' dark, mysterious eyes.
The purpose of this schooling appears to be twofold: to create a hybrid race as an "insurance policy" for the future, and to awaken us to our mindless destructiveness so that we may halt the devastation we are bringing to the planet. The human race is "isolated" in the cosmos "by ignorance" he has learned, "not ready to join the intelligent life that exists in other realms," and "too dangerous to be set free in the universe to do as we please."
Sparks never becomes quite clear or trusting of the aliens' "agenda," wondering, for example, whether they are using us to collect "spare parts" for their own purposes. But over time he came "to feel quite fortunate to have somehow been chosen to participate" in such a great "adventure," and he is unwavering in his conviction that we must heed the beings' warning in order to stop the destruction of the environment and prevent the death of the planet.
The central message is stressed repeatedly and relentlessly in Sparks' book, and is the reason for its power. Through Sparks, the beings, or whatever may be the intelligence beyond this extraordinary phenomenon, tell of our failed stewardship of this magnificent planet. In several of his abductions Sparks was shown on television-like monitors, scenes of such breathtaking natural beauty that they "left me completely mesmerized." But these would inevitably be followed by visions of "mankind's destructive ways," as the monitors showed once beautiful forests "now brown gray and dead looking instead of healthy and green." Another scene showed dead bloated fish floating on top of the water. Sparks writes, "This made me feel very sad and depressed." Suddenly, after one of these experiences, a telepathic voice said, "YOU ARE KILLING YOUR PLANET. YOUR PLANET IS DYING" (capitalized in Sparks' manuscript [then titled Star People]).
In some of his experiences Sparks was confronted with the dangers of overpopulation, breaks in the food chain, and the dangers of nuclear and biological contamination. "There are better ways," he was told, of "deriving your energy and food needs, without causing your planet any damage." Our mindlessness seems, in Sparks' experiences, to have cosmic proportions. "In the galactic neighborhood," he was taught, "there seems to be an order" which our species is violating.
In a certain sense, the reality or truth of all this is well known, so why should we pay attention to Jim Sparks, who has been informed by strange beings we do not even acknowledge exist? And if the aliens are so concerned with the Earth's ecology, why don't they just stop us? These are difficult questions to answer. First, there is the emotional and transforming power of the environmental "education" for Sparks and many other abductees, which leads to a more total kind of commitment to changing our direction. Also, there is the sense in these experiences that the message coming from a higher or divine source of great potency should be able to acknowledge its authority.
Finally, as Sparks and other experiencers have been told, the changes that may result from "training" like his must occur through shifts in consciousness of the human race, especially on the part of ordinary people, rather than by direct intervention. With the failure of leaders to take responsibility for the planet's plight, Sparks was told, "We are now concentrating our energy on the average person.
Sparks writes of changes in his own consciousness and psychic powers, an "ability to see in other dimensions," and a "sixth and seventh sense." These extra senses seem to lie dormant like an atrophied muscle," he says. "One just needs the tools or technology to tap into these realms. In my case, exposure to alien technology heightens the senses."
Sparks is to be commended for having the courage to "come out" and tell his remarkable story. Many experiencers are ridiculed privately and publicly for truths that run so counter to the official reality of our culture. He hopes that if he can provide the example of leadership in this regard, he may contribute to overcoming the denial that characterizes the prevailing reaction to the great dangers facing the earth. To the end, Sparks, like all abductees, remains mystified as to the source of his experiences, but feels that what he has learned is of immense power, importance and credibility. "What is wrong with us then," he asks at the end of the book. "Are we blind? Maybe so, because it is taking cultures from God knows where to warn us."
I asked Sparks to tell me how his experiences had changed him. In a letter sent to me by fax, he wrote:
Prior to 1988 (when he began to recall his experiences), about 95% of my energy was focused on business, marriage, recreation, and living as carefree as possible. I had some concern for the environment. I tried to save as many trees as possible when bought land and sold lots for home sites.
My experience with advanced cultures in the last nine years changed my life and expanded my awareness. My life has changed to the point that I am forming a foundation that will purchase and preserve valuable forest land.
Jim Sparks is a professional in the human abduction scenario; a lecturer and Author of the most popular book The Keepers. He was raised in South Florida and educated in business. Jim's abductions began in 1988. At the time he was living in Houston and working as a successful land developer.
Initially an unwilling abductee, his experiences transformed once he was able to put aside rage and overcome fear. Jim began to understand he was encountering highly intelligent advanced beings from other worlds. Jim had been completely conscious of his face to face experiences, giving him clear memories and gaining amazing insight. In the last two decades that he has been interacting with the ETs, he has witnessed amazing sciences. He now knows there is a plan to elevate ourselves to better understand what these beings are about so we may evolve.
Today Jim realizes he is not alone. Many others have gone through similar experiences. Whether fortunate or unfortunate, he differs from most abductees in that he has total recall of his experiences with these beings from other regions and dimensions of space and time. Jim's goal is to explain the agenda of these beings and the message they bring to humanity.
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Peck will play Matt Eckert -- the role originated by Charlie Sheen -- the hotheaded younger brother of Hemsworth's Jed Eckert and star quarterback of their Spokane high school football team. Palicki will play Toni, the role first inhabited by Jennifer Grey. She's a tough fighter the brothers encounter who develops romantic feelings for Jed, a Marine home on leave and the group's unofficial leader....per THIS ARTICLE in Hollywood Reporter. RED DAWN will be directed by Dan Bradley, stunt god/Second Unit director on stuff like BOURNE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE.
was good. This remake probably won't be.
Avenge me, boys!
could'nt give two fucks about this movie though
so will this take place during the 80s and keep the "red threat" angle or are they modernizing it and using some other group or country as the invaders?
Absolutely beautiful and talented.
this goes right up there with the "sequel" to wargames...thanks a bunch.
why did we live thru the 80s if they are gonna keep doing this?
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by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Congratulations Stanton. Dumb fuck.
You'll have to excuse me for a few moments.
It's amazing how many of these remakes are of movies that I've only recently viewed on DVD. I think Hollywood has access to my ZipList (zip.ca being the Canadian version of Netflix).
 Regardless, while I was watching Red Dawn recently, I immediately thought it was ripe for a remake.
 Good concept + Cheap-ass execution = Decent remake
 Now, there's a huge chasm between potentially-good-remake and the piece of turd that actually ends up on the screen, of course . . .
If they make it a direct sequel to "Red Dawn." America has been in a war on its own soil for 25 years. Commies and their allies still control sections of the West and the Plains. Hope seems lost in one particular small town until some local kids resurrect the ... WOLVERINES!
That won't be the case. It's been confirmed this is a remake set in the present day. At the very least, I really hope they film it in the same town as the original. Las Vegas, New Mexico. That town has SO much character. And maybe a cameo or three from C. Thomas Howell, Powers Boothe, Lea Thompson or Charlie Sheen. They all gotta eat! Boothe would be great in the Harry Dean Stanton role. "BOYS! AVENGE ME!!!" His two sons and Howell get about five feet away from where they were, and Stanton totally gives them away. I'd be like, "Shuddup, old man! You're gonna get us shot!"
Why are they making a film that the target audience won't get? The haven't-touched-a-boob/haven't-seen-a-penis set could give a bigger shit about the cold war. They didn't live through it, and if high school American history is still working out like it did for me, they don't teach past World War II. I haven't been reading the info about this useless remake, so maybe the angle will be changed to include Al-Qaeda, but I doubt that would be the PC thing to do.
I had the pleasure of working alongside her on a couple of productions (SOUTH BEACH and MERCY REEF... err AQUAMAN). She's a really nice person and I, for one, am happy to see her career continue to blossom... even if it involves a remake of RED DAWN.
Well, okay, he doesn't have THAT much of a career yet (in the mainstream, I mean) but I already liked him when he was on Nickelodeon.
Really? You're calling out Stanton, really?
This could make up for the awful direction the later episodes of "Drake and Josh" took. I don't find the fact they were bullying geeky characters in place of Josh (Who was now cool) to be something that kids should emulate. I think there's enough bullying and it needs to be stopped, not glorified.
Way too close to home, but relevant.
June 17, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST
by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer
Before he dies, please. C. Thomas Howell as the Lane Smith bootlicking sychophantic mayor, please. Powers Boothe for the Powers Boothe role. "Weren't there a billion screaming Chinamen?" "Used to be."
A group of High School students form a small militia to combat Socialized Medicine
it already has the twilight gayness in it, fancy good looking boys, right harry?!;)
With exception of guys blowing each other that has to be the gayest picture ever. You know which one I'm talking about.
If the invaders can destroy cell phone towers and somehow disrupt internet access or disable twitter and facebook they will win handily. You think some high school chump today is going to know how to hunt deer or piss in a radiator, much less shoot a gun in a way that doesn't imitate a rapper imitating someone that actually knows how to use a weapon properly?
Stuntcock Mike >> Stunt God Dan.
Iran follows through on its threat against websites that are part of the current unrest, and invades Facebook. Forced underground, Fan Page WOLVERINES fights back.
Trust me, down in the rural parts of the South and Midwest, the boys know how to hunt.
they were killers , so why are they casting pretty boy fairies who will never be believable as tough survivors
Harry Connick Jnr to play Harry Dean Stanton in all future remakes.
 'It was a marvellous night for a moon dance when I went down the Nostromo Bay...'
Oh I know where the lines will be drawn well enough, I just don't trust Hollywood to know.
June 17, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST
by Guy Grand
Palsy-impaired second unit director of "Bourne" and "Quantum," dear God help us. Whatever the "invasion" is, we'll be treated to smash-cut close-ups of a parachute string, twitchy knuckles, a blurred student running out of frame, a truck tire coming to a halt, a tight-framed gun barrel shooting a few rounds, and other apopleptic Eisenstein trim-bin cuts that, as a whole, show what a lack of talent this hack will be. Give me a living, breathing, panoramic, Frankenheimer "Ronan" car chase anyday.
Thanks for letting me save my money once again.
It was implausible enough that we'd be invaded by the Soviets and the Cubans, but who now? Or is this suposed to be set back in the Cold War again?
This is going to be set in Spokane, WA??? My interest is piqued because I'm FROM there....but this seems like playing with the story a little TOO much.
Surely RED DAWN makes no sense if the baddies ain't the USSR?
she can Palicki me any day!
The original was in an "alternate timeline" ... either the remake could be in another "alternate timeline" (for example, instead of 9/11 being an isolated attack, subsequent attacks on the US -- and more attacks like London and Madrid in Europe -- has rendered the western world unstable, and when a massive famine hits China or the USSR, they invade the US), or in the same alternate as the first movie, with a similar theme and references back to the original. I reckon the former is more likely.
leader with mysterious past and a woman who he left behind for a woman he could nver forget that carries with him a secret that can save us all.
This movie will be stupid to watch before it starts. Why in hell would they invade the US that makes no sense. China and the US are so tied up economically they would never fight. Why not make it North Korea and Iran? Or hell Mexico at least that invasion is actually happening. So that would work perfectly.
The same reason the cast C. Thomas Howell. You're telling me he wasn't a pretty boy?
You honestly think Iran or North Korea could invade the US? How? By wishing themselves here? Perhaps they dig up a cache of flying carpets? Or maybe surfboards?
 You need an opponent with the military infrastructure to stage a large-scale invasion of the US in order to make this work. That leaves: Russia and China. Famine is the easiest motivator, intertwined economies be damned.
Canadian.
 The "red" part will come from the maple leaf on their flag. Let's make it happen, people.
i.e., a unified mid-east Islamic superpower. One has to imagine, though, the logistics of invading the US from so remote a location is daunting.
It was a parody of the Mini-Series "Amerika" (V, but Russians instead of aliens, and with Kris Kirstofferson)
Really??? Besides, this story doesn't really hold up today unless the invaders are aliens (the War of the Worlds, Independence Day type; not the illegal ones)
When they're the only ones doing the invading.
...but at least it had some political relevance; I mean seriously, who's a afraid of communists these days?
...and have a bunch of Iraqi teenagers fight back against a certain marauding imperial force but then that's so far-fetched...
The original was soooo good. What a cast it had. Now we get the Nickelodeon rejects casting agency trying to keep their "actors" in work. At least get the other actor from Jake and Drosh to also be in it, so they can play themselves and die on the big screen. Get the iCarly chick to play Thompson's role...?
Oh, and get Screech to be the "Avenge me!!!" guy.
The Chinese will be the initial invaders, and the Russians will join in during the movies 2nd act. Latinoreview.com has a moderate-spoiler script review over at their site. The motivation for the invasion is economic-based... the U.S. is indebted to China (in real life and in the movie.) When China invades Taiwan for strategic purposes, the U.S. refuses to pay the debt until China withdraws it's forces from Taiwan... China attacks the U.S. through actual invasion and through cyber-warfare (think Die Hard 4.) The reason the movie is set in Spokane, WA is due to China's inability to invade through the Bering Strait (Russia is not involved initially) so they invade the entire Western coast (after all, they do have the man-power to do this!) The kids create an insurgency, and it is not until the arrival of the "Powers Boothe" character that they learn that the Russians have joined the Chinese in the fight.
and vice versa.
June 17, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST
by chrth
Wow, that sounds pretty damn ridiculous. Hopefully an economist reads the script before they start filming.
Okay having it set in Spokane is cool. I used to live 20 minutes from there. That tidbit of news turned me from completely dismissive to cautiously interested.
I don't write the scripts, but I imagine that this movie will not be well received in China (or Russia.)
Anyone on here remember the old Milton Bradley game called Fortress America? The concept was that the US is being invaded from the East by Russia, West by China, and south by Central America/Cuba.
 The object for the American player was to resist the invaders by stalling with guerilla warfare until the satellite solar powered superweapon laser defense system up and running to repel the invaders.
 Now that would make a fine action movie!
The fact is that if the US refused to pay a single dollar of interest on one of their treasury bonds -- regardless of reason -- its economy would collapse. Completely. And it wouldn't hurt China -- they could sell at face value to another creditor nation. The only reason one would ever refuse payment on an outstanding debt like that was if you were adopting mercantilism, and it would be so painful a situation for the citizens it wouldn't work in a democratic government, especially once that has such massive federal outlays.
 The only reason China would invade would be to prevent the US from dissolving entirely, thus protecting their investment. But the situation in the States would be so chaotic its doubtful anyone would want to defend it.
The MAIN motivation is due to dwindling resources... i.e. crops (like the original Red Dawn). The Chinese feel that the invasion is justified due to the U.S.'s refusal to repay their debt... ALSO, the U.S. refuses to buy or trade goods with the Chinese as a result of their attack on Taiwan.
I am in no way defending the script, I am just telling you guys what latinoreview.com reported.
I was about to look it up, but I'm pretty sure Chinese exports generate more income for China than the interest on the bonds. But again, a lot of companies in the US would go out of business if there was an embargo on China, which would devastate the economy.
 If they're smart, they dump the financial reasons entirely. It'll kill a lot of the believability of the film.
only a couple of suitcase nukes away from being easily invaded.
with a remake featuring a bunch of nobodies? Sounds like a great idea.
I want to lick her butt. So hot.
June 17, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST
by Bob Cryptonight
I'm thinking of an insult that ends with "bag."
what a hole that place is.
June 17, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST
by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer
shoot in Vancouver.
Seeing as the "Red" Russians couldn't even invade Russia these days, will the Red threat be the Chinese?
That would be an awesome tagline.
And goes wire-fu on all these gay-ass Wolverines.
knows all too fucking well they don't have the technology to mount a serious invasion of anywhere.
Adrianne can Palicki myDicki anytime ;-)
A large western nation invades a Middle Eastern country suspected of possessing some of the same weapons the large western nation possesses. Abdul and the boys fight back.
June 17, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST
by Flim Springfield
I've only heard of the guy from Star Trek.
I'm noticing more and more Samuel's popping up recently. I'm flattered. And Zooch, took the words right out of my mouth, if anything, that pic was his first ever in the biz years and years ago. I dare them to flash that on the living action Thor talkbacks, they'd get their asses handed to em.
Pardon me, before i'm hounded by Microsoft Spell Check, I mean Live Action Thor* Thank you
Why why why is this happening? The original is so damn good! And this new version sound like star wars ep1 with trade goods and debts. Fucking bullshit!
cos they've still got the nukes and theyve already taken control of the eurovision song contest and their leader Putin is pure KGB.And he wrestles bears for kicks
you probably haven't watched it recently. It's the cheesiest kind of jingoistic crap that we were inundated with during the cold war (Iron Eagle is another one, off the top of my head).
 This is not to say I don't love Red Dawn... I saw it several times in the theater. Of course, I was 10 at the time, so everything seemed awesome back then. Try giving it another go... it's fun in the same way Roadhouse is fun, but it ain't cinematic brilliance.
Is it going to be ruskies attacking again? Or maybe islamic terrorists? Or perhaps liberal terrorists? The last one would make the most sense.
Don't CGI it to shit, don't get politicly correct and most of all don't fuck it up!
against Obama and his hostile takeover of everything in the United States.

 But why make Jed a Marine? The point of the original was to show a group of teens mature through the stress and horror of war on their own homeland. Call it jingoistic crap, but the original made sense and although it, like Amerika, vastly overestimated the Soviets resources and ability to wage war. Methinks every mofo in that town would have had a gun and would have fucked those spic-ruskies up.
I'm sure Chuck Norris can take time off from shilling for Republican political candiates to could reprise his role as Matt Hunter.
if you prefer.
Bring a bit of realism into this.

 I'm not saying that as any sort of political statement, but if you are going to do a remake, take the concept and REALLY overhaul it. At the time the original RED DAWN came out, I'd bet a lot of people could actually imagine something like that happening. I don't think many people would say the same about today. If they really want to do something innovative and thought-provoking, they should set this in Afghanistan or Iraq, make the US the invaders, and let it evolve as a basic "you mess with my neighborhood, you mess with me" film. It doesn't necessarily make the US soldiers the bad guys, it just sets up a tragic situation where everybody follows orders and does what they think is right. Even the original had the sympathetic Cuban guy and some other very dark situations despite all its rah-rah moments.

 I don't think the original RED DAWN was the throwaway dumb movie a lot of people probably infer from its oversaturated TV appearances around July 4 or Memorial Day. Reworking the concept could truly be worthwhile if they REALLY reimagined it and not just retread the first film.
this: they should set this in Afghanistan or Iraq, make the US the invaders, and let it evolve as a basic "you mess with my neighborhood, you mess with me" film.
 would never, ever happen. Not in Hollywood, anyway. Red Dawn was about good, red-blooded teenagers killing evil Russians. Hell, they played football, so you KNOW they were true patriots. It was adolescent fantasy, pure and simple; The Breakfast Club with bullets.
What's with the shirtless dude? (Looks sideways at the gang at Aintitcool.)
 Anyway, I'm not too up in arms about this particular remake. Yes, the original is a guilty pleasure. But let's remember that the original starred then teeny-bopper heartthrobs, Patrick Swayze and C. Thomas Howell.
 The only thing I'll miss is John Milius' distinct, signature kookiness and red-meat action. The new version will likely be a toothless, quick cut forgettable flick that looks like a music video, that features teens fighting back using their iPhones and shooting guns sideways.
What's with the shirtless dude? (Looks sideways at the gang at Aintitcool.)
 Anyway, I'm not too up in arms about this particular remake. Yes, the original is a guilty pleasure. But let's remember that the original starred then teeny-bopper heartthrobs, Patrick Swayze and C. Thomas Howell.
 The only thing I'll miss is John Milius' distinct, signature kookiness and red-meat action. The new version will likely be a toothless, quick cut forgettable flick that looks like a music video, that features teens fighting back using their iPhones and shooting guns sideways.
Edit button, Harry. Edit button.
For crying out loud, Hollywood, come up with something original.
You're going down, eh.
June 17, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST
by Walterego
There are lots of great movies which reflect the wartime attitudes of the public. Consider Hitchcock's classic "Lifeboat" or the brilliant though paranoid cold war era "Mancurian Candidate". These movies are products of the tensions and anxieties of their time. Prior to Gorbachev the USSR seemed likely to go to war with the USA at some point, and after Vietnam but before afghanistan, the US seemed on the defensive, gradually losing the dominos of the cold war. Iron Eagle is a much worse film because it is totally implausible - a teenager steals a F16 and with another F16 whips an entire military and rescues a parent on the ground. That's just absurd. Whereas history of guerilla wars are full of stories of young people becoming effective partisans. Just look at the history of Russia when the Nazis invaded. The wolverines tactics were straight out of news accounts and military analysis of the mujahedin and viet cong, and the script was written by John Milius with great attention to detail and subtlety. Just look at the complexity of the Cuban commander writing letters to his wife, the crush that Lea Thompson has on the older Powers Boothe, where she asks him if he's married and what his wife is like, where the movie implies the girls have been raped and so they don't talk much but doesn't spell it out blatantly. The downbeat ending on the swingset. The moral ambiguity of the execution of the turncoat, begging forgiveness, while the russian asks him to say he is his friend so that he won't die alone. For an escapist action film starring "brat-pack" actors, it has more realism and poinancy than any film version of The Lord Of The Flies or other similar films like Taps, and is better written than most films of its genre.
wasn't the original an all-star cast...at the time, no it wasn't, it was a bunch of nobodies who ended up being all stars...I think Thompson had only done that football flick with Cruise and Coach before that, Swayze and Grey hadn't yet done Dirty Dancing
June 17, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST
by SnootyBoots
instead of having the camera crew bounce around his stunt work on pogo sticks. Actually, unless this turns out to be some kind of masterwork, I probably won't see it. Never saw the original. No interest in this one.
I really liked some of John Milius' work (Conan The Barbarian especially), but Red Dawn was crap. Remake looks to be pretty awful too.
what made it bad was the dialogue and the performances. C. Thomas Howell magically becoming a badass after he drinks deer's blood? Subtlety in the script like, "AVENGE MEEEEE!"? Or the refined characterization of the character of the Russian general, scowling his lines... he might as well have been twirling his moustache and chuckling like a Bond villain.
 Read my previous posts again... I loved the movie, and it still has a special spot in my heart... it's just not a very good movie. (I feel the same way about Goonies- it was great when I was a kid, but it doesn't really hold up). I've said it before, and I'll say it again... nostalgia is a bitch.
ugh, terribly written sentence, sorry... I'm distracted by things up at work. You get my drift, though.
June 17, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST
by Walterego
It just isn't possible to present Taliban or sectarian Iraqi insurgents in a heroic light without ignoring suicide mass casualty bombings, beheadings, the racist attitudes (suni arab iraqi insurgents killing shiites and vice versa, Iraqi Al Qaeda killing everyone who isn't a wahabi fundamentalist). I mean, if the Wolverines were an accurate depiction of the Taliban or Iraqi Alqaeda or some similar insurgent group, then they'd be genocidal, and how do you have genocidal protagonists? Also, Red Dawn was a depiction of a worst case scenario for the US. I agree that the producers wimped out in choosing China as the antagonist, which makes no sense even if China did outpace the US as an economic superpower. The truest modernized version of Red Dawn would have the entire muslim world united against the US and invading it, and attempting to impose sharia law on the US. Which is a ludicrously far-fetched storyline, but at least true to the spirit of the original Red Dawn. However Hollywood would never in a million years make a film that would be so politically incorrect and demonizing of muslims, hollywood bends over backwards to depict terrorists in most movies as sinister eastern european or german nazi-esque types, generally played by British actors, even though there hasn't been a terrorist group from there since the Bader-Meinhoff gang. on the rare occaisions when they do have muslims as terrorists (the Siege, True Lies etc), they get lots of protests and are accused by the press of exploiting prejudice. So they have completely wimped out and made the bizarre decision of the chinese as the villains. One thing you have to give the original RD, at least it had a point of view about a real conflict.
It just needs to be a group of kids who don't like the fact that somebody invaded their country.

 Also, if you used Afghanistan as the setting, you'd have a more rural story to tell and you could avoid having the protagonists involved in urban warfare or civilian encounters.

 Now it WOULD be interesting to see these kids, after they established themselves, finally run into an Al Qaeda-style group that targeted civilians rather than just military targets. It would be interesting to see if they embraced it or were repelled by the idea. You could make a strong case for the latter. And you could add tragedy to the finale if you eventually killed off some or all of the protagonists, because then they'd have simply been patriotic kids defending their home from what they viewed as an invader, as teens in the US would have done. It wouldn't have to be good versus evil, and protagonists could be insurgents without being terrorists. Like in RED DAWN.
June 17, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST
by Walterego
The speech where he monologues about being a Hunter, and the other Russian general with the creepy accent. However these characters are foils to contrast with the Cuban played by Ron "Superfly" O Neal. But I think it makes sense that Howell drinks the deers blood, and it is the first step to him becoming the more psychotic (not badass) Wolverine. He gradually loses it and develops a bit of a death wish. Which I think is another smart touch. These characters have well defined personalities. Think how many war dramas have characters that are totally interchangable and generic. My guess is that the new RD will have characters that will be way more shallow than the original. Lastly, "avenge meee", well Stanton was playing a kind of a blue collar type, the colorado equivalent of a redneck. Which is totally real for that environment. A lesser film would have had the boys save their father or some other heroic contrivance. In RD the father figures keep getting killed, then nearly all the Wolverines get killed, and in the end all they have left to show for their sacrifice is a memorial, which is only visited by their surviving Wolverine veterans. See the parallels to Vietnam and how that would have resonated in 1984? Milius made that film as a teen action film for the breakfast club crowd, sure, but he also packed a lot of analogies into it that make it relevant.
June 17, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST
by palpatinefuckedmydog
is that it's the first PG-13 rated movie.Other than that,it was a piece of shit.
Howell doesn't really lose it gradually... he's a sniveling pussy one minute, a savage commando the next. Leah Thompson developing the crush on Powers Boothe struck me as predictable and obvious, even when I was a little kid. Stanton delivering that particular line the way he did is laughable, chomping on the scenery like he was Pac Man. I don't disagree about the believability of the tactics they used (the scene where they popped up out of the holes in the field was very Cong-esque). While I do see your point (and I'm actually not sure what to do with such a civil exchange- neither of us resorting to calling the other a douchebag, etc), I just disagree. There's plenty of material that strikes me as cheesy now.
 Now, in keeping with the general vibe of most talkbacks, go fuck your mother's cock, you douchebag.
Boys this looks BAD.
I see your idea, but Red Dawn was set in the not too distant future, whereas you're talking about a film set in the recent past - Iraq in 2003 or afghanistan in the past few years. So it would be impossible to separate the protagonists from real life equivalents. If they were iraqi insurgents, then they wouldn't necessarily be Alqaeda but they would have to be sunni insurgents hostile to shiites and kurds, opposed to democratic government placing them under the rule of shiites, and who would have emulated the mass casualty tactics of Alqaeda. Or else they'd be shiite militia in the Mahdi Army loyal to Muqtada Al Sadr. Those are the only groups who significantly fought the US occupation forces. So the drama of would the protagonists resort to terroristic tactics against their countrymen or not, would be devoid of suspense, because we know from recent history that they did. So it would be phony to show them being repelled by the idea of targeting civilians because that would mean totally ignoring the sectarian hatred that dominated the insurgency. Remember, the Iraq war wasn't really between US and an indigenous resistance, it was a sectarian civil war in which the US was a faction allied to the Shiite-dominated govt, but in which the overwhelming majority of the killing was arab-on-arab. The only way I could see for the movie you describe to work it would have to have the protagonists be members of the Sunni Awakening movement which ultimately sided with the US and rejected sectarian conflict, except that would mean a Red Dawn in which the protagonists take the side of the invader in the end. The other way it could work is for it to be set in some future war with some fictional muslim country. Like it's the year 2016 and President Hilary Clinton/Sarah Palin invades "Aranistan", leading to the kind of plot you describe.
And at least my mother's cock is twice as big as yours, you microphallus homotard.
Copy the premise from the Jericho tv show. Nukes go off across the country and terrorists are blamed. Civil war between government loyal forces and rebel forces trying to take over country. Red states vs blue states?
Kudos, gentlemen. Kudos.
this talkback would be near stallone dick vein or the chub-sporting nazi levels of gay.
I won't be spending at the theater to see this pile of shit!
the Mexicans
Red Dawn was the perfect metaphor for what happened in Viet Nam - a powerful foreign force meeting a home grown resistance. Red Dawn basically advocates and explains why the North Viet Nam Army and the Viet Cong had to fight the way they did and why the had to use unconventional means. It basically takes a US audience and gets them to relate to a Viet Cong rebel.
 Now I am not saying that we were as bad as the Russians in Red Dawn, or that the Viet Cong and Ho Chi Minh should be put on a pedestal, but the basic fact is must people resist foreign powers because they are foreign, or as Patrick Swayze said it best when rationalizing the tactics they were using and why they should be allowed to kill the Russians, "Because we live here!"
 Millius made the best defense of the Viet Cong ever.
...You know what this is going to be, yet another one of those "Marines are GODS" Republican Hollywood fodder. Great job guys. We're still going through a bullshit war, and what do you do? You make a movie glorifying the "we'll stick a boot up your ass" idiots. Guess what. The real reason why we keep getting into bullshit conflicts? Its because we keep romanicising soldiers and the douchebags who want to fight everyone. We just got done suffering through eight years of a redneck idiot who thought he was Jesus' voice and led us all into a perfect storm of shit ...only to come out of it glorifying the same bullheaded ignorant attitudes via a cast right out of GOSSIP GIRL. Watch the original RED DAWN again. WE'RE the invading army. The IRAQIS are the "Wolverines". Next time you read about a suicide bomber killing some of our military in Iraq, just imagine the bomber screaming "WOLVERINES!!!" right before blowing up. THAT'S what you should be making this movie about. Show American people from the midwest getting tortured like in gitmo. Show some baby-faced Disney teen star running into a convoy strapped with explosives. THAT is what these war-hungery morons need to see. Not another "anti-war" pro-fighting movie for the DAYS OF THUNDER crowd.
Am I the only person who remembers that Saddam Hussein killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis during his reign?
has won.
posers. The thought of remaking Red Dawn just sickens me.
I'd be on board with setting this in a fictional country in the future. I had actually assumed in previous that while the setting could be real, the story could take a lot of liberties. But now that you mention it, it is probably just easier to invest a country that looks and feels like Afghanistan but has another name.

 Anyway, the bottom line is that for a truly fresh take on RED DAWN, the US should be the invader and patriotic kids from some other culture should fight back. And as I said, this doesn't mean the US soldiers would be the villains of the piece. Even the original RED DAWN was more subtle than to condemn all of the invaders.
of the stars in it were famous. Some may have already been in a movie or two, but it was pretty much Red Dawn that started them out. Swayze, Sheen, Howell, Grey, Thompson. They weren't really known before this movie.
You can't. It would be fantastic to realize, but no Hollywood studio would back it. Too much risk, not enough reward. Maybe an independent film could try, but not a Red Dawn remake.
and make this the Swayziest remake of them all!
were committed with the US's blessing during the 80s when we inexplicably armed him to fight Iran. See, that was back when he was a "Freedom Fighter" before he became an "Evil Doer" (code for: He pissed off the Oil Barons). Shit, we even GAVE him the conventional weapons, training, and VX Gas to do it with (no doubt we also gave him torture tips as well)! So, chrth, really, you're right, Saddam Hussein was a bad guy -- A BAD GUY ON OUR PAY ROLL.
June 17, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST
by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer
A good movie could be made from the idea, but Milius fucked it up.
He looks like a Calvin Klein model, rather than a warrior (i.e. someone in UFC).
I wouldn't say he had our blessing back then as much as we turned a blind eye but if you remember right we were nervous as fuck because Iran. A very anti-American regime had just come in, so it was somewhat understandable that we would ally ourselves with someone who also was worried about them. We also allied with Stalin during WWII, and he was far from a saint.
 I have no problem that we went into Iraq to get rid of Saddam, what I have a problem with is the criminally incompetent manner which we did. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield went in there with out the backing of the rest of the world's leaders (which would have given us some sort of support instead of relying on all of our and Britain's resources, and a resemblance of legitimacy), with far less men than almost every military expert recommended, and without planning whatsoever for the post war reconstruction. On top of it, we went in there under a false premise making the entire invasion look like colonialism and imperialism all over again.
 They should of followed the Powell Doctrine.
 Having said all that, I completely disagree about what TopHat said about glorifying soldiers. I might hate the invasion of Iraq and the people who planned it, but I have upmost respect for people in uniform, especially those who enlist in time of war. First off, they are actually placing service ahead of their own lives and are actually sacrificing comfort and security for a greater cause. You might disagree with the cause, but it is a completely selfish action.
 Secondly, even if they do support the war at least they are putting their money where there mouth is, or their lives where there mouth is. Unlike the rah-rah supporters here at home, they are walking the talk.
 Also, no matter how bungled the invasion was we still have a moral obligation to try and help Iraq build. The Pottery Barn rule if you will. I am a hypocrite for not re-enlisting because I believe we have a moral obligation to the Iraqis and their neighbors in the middle-east that we make sure we undo some of the damage we did during the bungled invasion (yes Saddam was a dictator, but at least they had a functioning country). And finally, the majority of soldiers are just like anyone else - good, bad, whatever. I don't think they are intrinsically better than most people but I do think are military usually tries to do the right thing. Any abuses of prisoners and/or mistakes made, the majority of the fault falls on politicians or those commanding the war - not the soldiers. If you have a military force that has unclear rules or lack of discipline than you'll have people breaking the rules. I am not saying there hasn't been abuses and even crimes, but I think if they have happened they were the caused by the rare "bad apple" or because of poor decisions of their commanders and/or politicians back home.
According to latinoreview.com, Tony Gilroy has been brought onboard to "polish" the Red Dawn script! Tony Gilroy is responsible for the fantastic Michael Clayton and the screenplays for all three Bourne films. This could be interesting...
That's the best part of the original. Any time you can hint at ass rape in a PG-13 movie, you're winning.
Hemsworth has started to beef up. He was on T.V. recently, and he looks a much bigger than in the above pic. Shooting on Thor won't start until January, so he has time to get even bigger. take a look... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CcE5YasUic
seriously - does anyone have some new stories to tell out there? THE FUCKING REMAKES MUST STOP NOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
I knew the original was filmed in New Mexico, but wasn't that just a stand-in for the story's setting of Colorado? Either way, I don't care much to see a Washington State-set "Red Dawn." Here's hoping the "Cliffhanger" remake will be shot/set/both in Colorado, unlike the original, which was shot in fucking Italy, of all places.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Would like to see an over the top futuristic movie, where the American government sells California to the Chinese to pay off its debts. They will of course request that the stars of Baywatch are part of the deal, even though Pam will be 60ish and sagging.
properly....always looked shit to me. im sure you yanks love it tho hurr durr
and I couldn't be happier that the Chinese are going to be the invaders this time.....Fuck China Fuck China Fuck China Fuck China Fuck China Fuck China Fuck China Fuck China Fuck China Fuck China Fuck China Fuck China Fuck China Fuck China Fuck China Fuck China Fuck China Fuck China
the casting is crap... they went the CW route. Grab some mediocre actors that look like models. I don't know why China would want to invade the U.S.... they own 700 billion of our debt already.
What with the reruns outnumbering the original shows on TV, the Internet TV GUIDE had taken to pointing out the new/original episodes to help them stand out from the sea of repeats. Now that Hokeywood seems to mostly have forgotten how to mak original movies, perhaps a similar advisory would help here, too. To wit "This is a brand new film, not a remake" in the article header?
Or Meth addiction.
Yummy yummy
Was a good film actually. Reagan-era propaganda, for sure. But it had gripping storytelling and a darn fine cast of young actors. The remake won't work, though. The cold war is over and there is no cold war these days. Nobody's going to see this.
Science will have to invent a new physics term to describe how bad this flick is gonna suck...
Glad to see Hollywood still casts TV stars and models in their films.
June 18, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST
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if it ain't taking place in Colorado , i'm not seeing it ....
He's an intelligent man, of course, and knows that war is fought for political reasons, but that war itself and often the warriors are political. His Captain Willard and Colonel Kurtz and Killgore all fought because that was simply what they did. Milius has said that war is as inevitable as rain. It's going to rain. The Red Dawn kids weren't political (nobody was really all that political back in the '80s. I was in college and we voted for Reagan because the hippies told us not to). The Wolverines were simply defending themselves and defending their home. The brilliant thing about 90% of the movie is that the audience doesn't know anything the kids don't know. We don't really know why the Commies attacked, what's going on anywhere else, etc. We get a little info from Powers, but mostly it doesn't matter because if the kids stop fighting they'll eventually be rounded up and probably used as slave labor or killed (if they're lucky).
Yep, we'd seen Howell in ET and in the OUTSIDERS with Swayze and Darren Dalton. Lea Thompson had been in ALL THE RIGHT MOVES. Jennifer Grey (who had a great nose and used to be so good looking)and Charlie Sheen hadn't really been in any major or minor motion pictures in a theater near you.
I think Milius has it right with that rain view. It's human nature for conflict, some people talk about utopia or some bullshit like it don't realize there will always be war and conflict. It's how we deal with it that defines us. We're meant to be imperfect, take the good with the bad.
The story went something like this. In the buzz surrounding the who leaked wolverine print leak story it was alleged that Harry and Moriarity were some how complicit in getting Roger friedman fired. It was thought that he got sacked for admitting to downloading the alleged print. Well things have taken a new turn. Friedman is suing the chutrch of Socientology after Friedman attacked them repeatedly on fox news. IN friedmans suit he is alleging that they got him fired.


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Isaiah's The World Today Just Nuts "No Lasting Consequences?" went up last night.
24? They killed off Renee. I couldn't believe it. She was such a great character. The only reason I was able to watch a full season. I saw her a year or two ago when she was an FBI agent and played by the rules. Then she worked with Jack and descended into hell. This season was about her finding her way back and she was just a great character and I couldn't wait for each episode.
But they shot her. She's dead. So that's it for me. I'm done. It's 24's last season and there's only a few more episodes left so I could hang around just to see what happens; however, I only stayed tuned due to Renee.
They didn't even give her a good death scene. She was like a propr the minute she got shot. Despite being on camera, she never did a thing.
Renee was a woman and I think women are great. I don't like little girls.
That's why I don't like Jennifer Lopez. I don't how old she's supposed to be -- she lies big time about her age -- but even the lie is too old to talk like a little girl. She was a woman in Out Of Sight and, after that, she was an airhead little girl. I've never found that appealing or sexy.
I'm a man (straight) and I like a woman. If I were a little boy, I might chase after little girls or women who pretend their little girls. But I'm an adult and I like women.
Renee was a woman. And she never showed up on the show needing an excuse to be there. (The way Chloe sometimes does.) If they'd kept her alive -- even in bit scenes -- I would've watched the whole season all the way through.
Okay, let's do Third. Dallas and the following worked on this edition:
The Third Estate Sunday Review's Jim, Dona, Ty, Jess, and Ava,
Rebecca of Sex and Politics and Screeds and Attitude,
Betty of Thomas Friedman Is a Great Man,
C.I. of The Common Ills and The Third Estate Sunday Review,
Kat of Kat's Korner (of The Common Ills),
Cedric of Cedric's Big Mix,
Mike of Mikey Likes It!,
Elaine of Like Maria Said Paz),
Trina of Trina's Kitchen,
Ruth of Ruth's Report,
Wally of The Daily Jot,
Marcia of SICKOFITRDLZ,
Stan of Oh Boy It Never Ends,
Isaiah of The World Today Just Nuts,
and Ann of Ann's Mega Dub.
And what did we come up with?
Great quote from Independent of London about Barack's decision that he can kill any American citizen he dubs a terrorist.
Melissa Harris-Lacewell will forever be not only the joke that never stops but also the sign of how my party sold out their beliefs. A lying, two-bit whore like MH-L was presented as a trusted voice. It could only happen when it was decided that truth no longer mattered.
Jim breaks down the edition.
Iraq. The missing story.
This is my favorite piece of the edition, Ava and C.I.'s critique of Tina Fey's SNL gig. It is amazing and a must read. It's funny, it's bold, it's everything writing should be. Be sure to check this out.
Barack is not, NOT, getting more death threats. Not 400% more, not any more. It's the same amount. The Secret Service explained that to Congress back in December and yet the lie continues.
Tom Harkin. What a sad, sad man. Has a 12-year-old girl arrested for sitting in his office. How sad.
A mailbag feature. One question killed from this was about C.I. She killed it. A reader pointed out how she was repeatedly write in her assessments throughout the election and post-election period and wondered why she didn't just say, "I told you so!" each and every day? C.I. didn't want it included.
A short feature. Don't even remember this being written. I may not have helped with it.
And we did this and picked out the highlgihts.
So that's what we came up with and I'm bummed about Renee. She was a good character her first go-round but this go-round she was haunted and I just loved the character. She could be brutal (like when she cut the guy's hand off) and she could be caring. She was everything. Apparently they don't want Jack Bauer to get a happy ending.
Here's C.I.'s "Iraq snapshot:"
Monday, April 12, 2010. Chaos and violence continue, illegal war is big business, US tax payers get fleeced, DoD tries to spin Gates' statements, Human Rights Watch issues a statement, and more. Monday WikiLeaks released US military video of an assault in Iraq. Appearing on ABC's This Week yesterday, US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates offered his thoughts on the July 12, 2007 assault in Baghdad in which 12 Iraqis were killed by US forces, "But by the same token, I think-think is should not have any lasting consequences." Isaiah illustrated that 'lovely thought' last night in "No Lasting Consequences?" and today the Defense Dept rushes to do spin control creating a quote ("Painful to Watch") that, in fact, Gates did not utter in his interview but someone thought it was just the headline for John J. Kruzel's Defense Dept propaganda ("Gates Calls Air Strike Video 'Painful to Watch'") released by the Defense Dept's "American Forces Press Service. Gates is an idiot -- one apparently still mourning the recent death of his former lover (and wasn't it cute the way the press averted their eyes on that) -- because expressing any sympathy for the dead -- killed by US service members -- would have gone a long way in mitigating the ill will that is brewing. At one point during the 2007 attack, a van pulls up -- containing two children -- and attempts to rescue those who have been shot. The van is then targeted by the US military. Today on Democracy Now!, Juan Gonzalez introduced video noting that "earlier this month, journalists from the Icelandic National Broadcasting Service, who were part of the investigative team that released the US military video on WikiLeaks, visited the family of Saleh Mutashar, the driver of the van and the father of the two children. They showed his family the recently released video footage of the attack on the van that led to his death, and then spoke to his son Sajad, his nephew Anwar and his widow Alham Abdelhussain." AHLAM ABDELHUSSAIN: [translated] My husband did nothing wrong. He saved a wounded person and had his children with him in the car. How do I feel? What can I say? Why was he shot with his children in the car? They did nothing wrong. He was helping a journalist. What was his crime? What was the crime of our children who are left with no father and no support? ANWAR: [translated] He was carrying wounded people during the American attacks. He was trying to help. They believe that someone who was carrying a gun will take his children along with him? Unbelievable. What can we do? God take revenge from the Americans. They destroyed us and destroyed our nations. What is the future of those children? They are orphans. SAJAD MUTASHAR: [translated] I want to get our rights from the Americans who harmed us. And for the record, it's now four days since Rick Rowley made an 'unusual' claim on Democracy Now! You'll note that neither he nor Amy Goodman has rushed to back that claim up. As we said in real time, if he had video of such a thing, he would have shown it. The refusal in the time since to show the video makes his dubious claims even more so. Those who play fast and loose with the truth can make many a pleasing claim but no one is helped by falsehoods or the repeating of them. Rowley shaves corners and facts repeatedly. It's a pattern with him. He made a ridiculous claim last week that Goodman allowed to be broadcast without challenge. A week later, no proof has been supplied. You'll also notice that David Enders -- on that trip to Iraq with Rowley -- has not stepped forward to back Rowley's claim up. When the left refuses to obey by any standards, we do not help ourselves. Rowley's pleasing claim was, no doubt, repeated by many and it, no doubt, stoked hatred. Rowley is very good at doing the latter. He's just not very good at supplying proof of his claims. Fast and loose with the facts? Because they don't want to kiss goodbye 'good' illegal wars, Timothy Lynch and Nicolas Bouchet assembled a bunch of false claims for the Guardian -- claims Lynch knows would turn him into a laughingstock (okay, a bigger one) if he made them in this country so better he present them to British audiences apparently. Attacking Simon Jenkins' Guardian column from last week which noted that the US effort to promote 'democracy' in Iraq was done via thuggery, Lynch and Bouchet lie through their teeth and insist that, "The United States went to war in these countries because it believed, rightly or wrongly, that their rulers posed a serious national security threat. The short-term solution was to topple the Taliban and Saddm. Neither war was fought to turn Iraq and Afghanistan into Western-style democracies." On the first claim: The United States went to war in these countries because it believed, rightly or wrongly, that their rulers posed a serious national security threat. It's a shame lightening can't fall from the sky and strike dead liars who resort to revisonary history. The US did not believe that either the Taliban or Afghanistan posed a national security threat -- serious or otherwise. The proof of that is in the offer not to bomb the country that was made following September 11th. The US government requested that Osama bin Laden be turned over -- well, ordered. If he wasn't turned over, the US administration stated they would bomb the country. If turning over bin Laden would mean no bombing, then you can't claim that Afghanistan or the Taliban was a US security threat. For those who have forgotten (many have), the Taliban (this isn't an endorsement of the Taliban) responded by asking for proof of Osama bin Laden's involvement in the attacks. The US government maintained they had proof, the Taliban asked to see it before doing an extradition. Colin Powell, the Secretary of State, spoke for the administration when he insisted that proof would be supplied . . . after bin Laden was handed over. Without proof, Afghanistan refused to extradite the wealthiest citizen their country had (bin Laden is not from Afghanistan, he's from Saudi Arabia). At which point, the US bombed. This does not demonstrate that Afghanistan or the Taliban was a security threat. Also worthy of note is that before George W. Bush left office, the FBI would remove bin Laden from their ten most wanted list and, when the press noted, explain that they had no proof connecting him to the 9-11 attacks. Apparently Colin Powell didn't wish to share the proof with the FBI either? Iraq? Not a security threat. There is no way you can make that claim with a straight face. Some will argue, "Easy to say now! But back then --" To which the reply, should be, "Isn't it past your bedtime?" The Iraq War was not sold by the US administration as a war in response to an attack. It was sold on a "some day Iraq might be able to attack the US." That's not a security threat. All US schools should probably spend a day teaching the defintion of the term "threat" because so many damn idiots keep getting it wrong. (The idiot Melinda Hellinberger, for example, called expressing a wish a "threat" when she made a bigger fool of herself than usual on last Friday's The Diane Rehm Show.) That is what the war sold on and that is why, in real time before and immediately after, a number of think pieces were written exploring the concept of "just wars." (The Iraq War did not and does not meet the criteria for a "just war.") It is why the Pope came out against the Iraq War. Turning to the topic of the continued persecution of Iraq's LGBT community, we'll note this from "David Cameron answers our question on LGBT asylum :" In his interview with Cameron, Haari posed the same question he asked Prime Minister Gordon Brown about the Home Office policy of saying that LGBT can return (to countries like Iran or Saudi Arabia) and 'be discrete'. Haari professed surprise at Cameron's response to his LGBT asylum question ("he is at his best and at his clearest – to my surprise") and quotes him as "unequivocally" saying in response to 'whether it is wrong that gay refugees are told to go back home and hide their sexuality from police forces who would imprison, torture or kill them for it': "I think it is. If you have a legitimate fear of persecution, that it seems to me that is a perfectly legitimate reason to stay." This was in contrast to the bureaucratic fudge of PM Brown in his reply to the same question. LibDem leader Nick Clegg restated his party's longstanding criticism of the UK's asylum system to Haari. He describes it as "a moral stain on our collective consciousnesses" and "the most inhumane, irrational, cruel system imaginable". In his answers to questions posed by readers of pinknews.co.uk Cameron said the following to Canning's question (our highlight): Q. If there is unfairness in the asylum system against LGBT people (as you suggested in your Attitude interview) what do you plan to do about that? Although Cameron does not actually answer the question - he doesn't say what he will do about 'unfairness in the asylum system' - the new comment on the information used by UK Border Agency staff known as country-of-origin information (COI) is interesting as it does suggest that someone in his office has done their homework. The United States' record on Iraqi refugees since the start of the illegal war is shameful. It is probably the worst record of any nation. But vying for that title is England (and others, including Iceland, but we'll set them aside for the moment) which has not just been inhospitable, it has attempted -- over UN objection and international condemnation -- to forcibly deport Iraqis back to Iraq. From Kelvin Lynch's "US, UK, France ignore plight of LGBT Iraqis" (Examiner): IraqiLGBT is an organization that operates as a modern-day Underground Railroad to provide safe houses for LGBT Iraqis who would otherwise face certain death in the country. So why do the United States, the United Kingdom, and France continue to ignore its pleas for help? More than 700 gay Iraqi men have been brutally murdered by roaming death squads since the U.S.-lead occupation of the country began in 2003. The violence has escalated in recent years, and there have even been reports from inside Iraq that American soldiers are turning a blind eye towards the situation, and have even been involved in some of the killings. Iraqi gays have even said they enjoyed more freedom under Saddam Hussein's rule. The latest crisis facing Iraqi LGBT is securing asylum in France for 21-year-old Anwar Saleh, who was arrested by Iraqi police in 2009 for coordinating a safe house in Baghdad. He was badly beaten up, tortured and suffered post-traumatic stress after his detention and the abuse he was subjected to. He was put under investigation and interrogated about his role as an LGBT activist and his involvement in the running of the safe house. Violence continues today in Iraq. Reuters notes an Abu Ghraib car bombing which claimed the lives of 2 Iraqi soldiers and left fifteen people injured, a Mosul car bombing which claimed 2 lives and left twenty-one people injured and, dropping back to Sunday, a Baghdad roadside bombing which injured one person. In post-election news,Meanwhile Rod Nordland (New York Times) reported Saturday that Iran was publicly indicating that they want Sunnis in the new government. They should have let Nordland do a news analysis which would have allowed him to offer the opinion that Iran is making those noises now because Iraqis are not keen on Iran pushing their country around and Iran's heavy-handed and highly visible gestures have not helped any politicians in Iraq since the election. Sunday, Timothy Williams and Duraid Adnan (New York Times) reporred that Nouri al-Maliki is freshening up his charges of fraud, adding a claim that over 700,000 votes were miscounted. Press TV quoted Nouri's spokesperson Hachim al-Hasani stating, "We believe the amount of manipulation in the votes in these five provinces could reach 750,000 votes ... this is a huge number and possibly could change enormously the elections results. This is why we presented this appeal and we hope that the judicial appeal panel will do its duty ... and look into it seriously." Today Al Bawaba reports that Nouri al-Maliki is insisting that others should cease interference in Iraq -- apparently, Nouri's a wee bit cranky as a result of his repeated attempts to interfere with the political process after his political slate came in second in the March 7th elections. Thug Nouri schemes to hold onto to the position of prime minister, utilzing energy he never put into ensuring a free press in Iraq but then a thug wouldn't, now would he? Human Rights Watch released the following on press freedoms (or the lack of them ) in Iraq: The Iraqi government should suspend media regulations that impose tight restrictions on the country's broadcast media and revise them to comply with international standards, Human Rights Watch said in a letter today to the official Communication and Media Commission (CMC). The Commission began enforcing the regulations ahead of the March 7, 2010, parliamentary elections ostensibly to silence broadcasters who encourage sectarian violence, but the regulations are vague and susceptible to abuse. The regulations should be revised to define in detail all restrictions on and give meaningful guidance to broadcasters by clearly delineating their responsibilities, Human Rights Watch said. While the government can prohibit and punish speech that constitutes direct incitement of violence, the broad and vague wording of the regulations, such as prohibiting "incitement of sectarianism," falls short of international norms governing freedom of expression. "These broadcast regulations are a real setback for media freedom in Iraq," said Joe Stork, deputy Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. "These restrictions open the door to politically motivated discrimination in the regulation and licensing of broadcasters." Over the months leading to the parliamentary elections, the government restricted freedom of expression in a number of ways. It clamped down on scrutiny of public officials, denied media accreditation to journalists, and sued media outlets that criticized government officials. In addition, police and security forces have harassed, arrested, and assaulted numerous journalists. The regulations appear to give the CMC unfettered power to halt broadcast transmissions, close offices, seize equipment, revoke licenses, and levy fines on broadcasters. The rules empower the agency to cancel licenses even after the first minor violation of the licensing terms. In its letter, Human Rights Watch asked the agency to ensure that punishments are proportionate to the offense, increasing only in step with the severity and repetition of offenses. The rules should also give license applicants a clear and expeditious path to appeal denied applications. Human Rights Watch also urged the agency to stop requiring broadcasters to provide it with a list of employees, as this poses an unacceptable security threat to media workers. Iraqi journalists already operate in an extraordinarily unsafe environment. Since 2003, at least 141 journalists have died in Iraq, some in politically motivated murders. Muaid al-Lami, head of the Iraqi Journalists' Syndicate, has been the subject of two assassination attempts, including one last month. Journalists in Iraq who wish to stay anonymous should be able to do so, Human Rights Watch said. "Not only do the regulations give this agency enormous power to shut down broadcasters for minor and first-time transgressions, but they place the lives of Iraqi journalists at greater risk," Stork said. "The Media Commission should suspend the regulations until it fixes them." This afternoon, Human Rights Watch Joe Stork spoke with Free Speech Radio News about the report, noting, "It comes in a context, you have to understand, it comes in a context in which free expression has been under assault." The illegal war continues and so does the profit. SourceWatch notes that DynaCorp has long been plagued by scandals such as flying 'combat' missions in Columbia, sex trafficking in Bosnia and financial scandals in Iraq: In January 2007, the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction, Stuart W. Bowen Jr., reported that "he had identified tens of millions of dollars worth of accounting discrepancies, missing weapons and unauthorized billings" by DynCorp. Bowen accused DynCorp of "lax accounting and monitoring procedures." [2] At issue is a $43.8 million State Department contract "for a camp that was never used by police trainers," including $4.2 million that DynCorp billed for "unauthorized work." Another $36.4 million expenditure, intended "for weapons and equipment, including armored vehicles, body armor and communications equipment ... cannot be accounted for," reported the Dallas Morning News. [3] Shortly after Bowen announced that his office would investigate DynCorp for fraud in its Iraq work, the company hired the PR firm Qorvis Communications for "messaging and image work," reported O'Dwyer's PR Daily. [4] Having fleeced the tax payers, they're now exiting Iraq. Nathan Vardi (Forbes) brags, "For all the talk about Blackwtaer and Houston oil industry firms connected to Dick Cheney, it took a Wall Street player to truly figure out how to play the war game." The New York Times explains DynCorp is being bought out by Cerberus Capital Management. Back to Nathan Vardi so busy jizzing in his shorts that he has no idea how he comes off to the average tax payer as he gushes, "If the deal goes through, McKeon will have turned a $48 million personal investment in DynCorp into some $320 million for himself. McKeon's performance has apparently inspired Stephen Feinberg, chief of Cerberus, to also venture into this sector." War is big business, no question, but you rarely come across someone -- especially in the current economic climate -- who is so eager to applaud the fleecing of the American people. In peace news, Friday's snapshot noted 12-year-old Frankie Hughes whom Tom Harkin's office 'had to have' arrested because a 12-year-old girl sitting in your office to protest the Iraq War is too-many-kinds-of-scary for Senator Harkin. In addition to Frankie being arrested, her mother was charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor -- because a child that lives our Bill of Rights is apparently a delinquent in today's society. Matthew Rothschild (The Progressive) reports: "I did it because it's just completely and totally wrong to give money to something that kills hundreds and hundreds of people," Frankie tells me by phone. "I needed to stay. I've sent letters. I've called. And it never seems to get their attention. I've tried pretty much everything. We're completely nonviolent. We just have to get their attention." When the police came, Frankie was sitting in a chair in Harkin's office. "They asked me if I wanted to be arrested," Frankie says. "I said no." After the police conferred in the hallway, they came back. "They were saying they could put my mom on charges of delinquency of a minor," she says. "She thought it was a joke, but I didn't." iraq this week abc news the guardian timothy lynch nicholas bouchet simon jenkins paul canning al bawaba the examiner kelvin lynch human rights watch reuters the new york times rod nordland timothy williams durad adnan |


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