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TEXAS STATE RAILROAD. What is now the Texas State Railroad State Historical Park originated as an industrial railroad serving the iron foundry operated by the Texas prison system on the penitentiary grounds near Rusk. In 1896 the first five miles of track was built west from North Rusk to haul wood and iron ore to the smelter known as the "Old Alcalde" that had been built by the State in 1884. In 1903 the prison smelter was expanded and the railroad was extended five miles to the community of Maydelle. Governor Thomas M. Campbell conceived the idea that it would be profitable for the railroad to become a common carrier, and on April 5, 1907, the legislature approved his request to operate the railroad as a common carrier and to extend the line from Maydelle to Palestine. Regular service began on June 6, 1907, and the line to Palestine was put in service on April 15, 1909. The 22½ mile extension cost the state approximately $530,383. This gave the line a connection with the International and Great Northern Railway Company at Palestine, as well as a connection with the St. Louis Southwestern Railway Company of Texas and the Texas and New Orleans Railroad Company at Rusk. There were depots at Rusk, Palestine, and Maydelle, and the general business office, while initially at Rusk, was later moved to Palestine. Although the railroad was never chartered, it was officially named the Texas State Railroad. When opened it was controlled by the governor and the Prison Commission of the state of Texas. Convict labor was used to build the extension to Palestine just as it had been used to build the earlier sections between Rusk and Maydelle. Reformers complained about the mortality rates and working conditions that accompanied the construction of the road, describing it as "stained with the blood of some helpless convict man or boy lashed cruelly by a savage prison guard or sergeant."
Although the prison foundry was closed in 1913, the railroad continued to be marginally profitable as the connecting railroads allowed liberal provisions on through rates. In 1916 the road owned two locomotives, thirty-seven freight cars, and two passenger cars. Earnings that year included $3,656 in passenger revenue, $24,024 in freight revenue, and $1,149 in other revenue. However, by 1921 the railroad had run up a deficit of $366,902 and the line was facing abandonment. State Senator I. D. Fairchild convinced the legislature to have a committee of professional railroad men examine the property to determine if it could be operated profitably. Based on the committee's report, the legislature appropriated $150,000 to rehabilitate the railroad and appointed a board of governors to oversee the operation. On November 25, 1921, the Texas State was leased to the Texas and New Orleans. Traffic consisted primarily of forest products and, until the Great Depression, such farm products as tomatoes. The Texas and New Orleans also briefly operated Pullman service over the line from Dallas, as well as through cars from points in East Texas which connected with International-Great Northern trains at Palestine bound for St. Louis.
In 1962 the Southern Pacific, as successor to the Texas and New Orleans, declined to renew the lease of the Texas State. By that time the only major industries on the line were a bulk feed plant at Rusk and the Vernon Calhoun Packing Plant near Palestine, as well as some pulpwood loading. The railroad was then leased to the Texas South-Eastern Railroad Company between November 1, 1962, and December 31, 1969. After the Texas South-Eastern lease expired, the few miles from Palestine to the packing plant was leased to the Missouri Pacific Railroad Company. In early 1970 a tourist train known as the Cherokee and Southwestern Tourist Railroad Corporation attempted to operate a few miles out of Rusk. However, the operator was unable to overcome several serious problems and ran only a few trips. Once again the future of the Texas State looked bleak. In 1972 the Sixty-first Texas Legislature turned most of the railroad over to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department for conversion to a hike and bike trail. However, a group of railroad enthusiasts implored the department to investigate operating a passenger train for tourists. The findings were favorable, and plans for the Texas State Railroad State Historical Park were formulated. Inmates of the Texas prison system were again used to rehabilitate the line, while steam locomotives and other equipment were located in various parts of the country. By 1977 the park was open, and the railroad currently operates two passenger trains pulled by restored steam locomotives out of both Rusk and Palestine. The park provides a rare opportunity for children and adults to learn more about railroads, and for those who have worked around railroads to enjoy themselves with coaches and locomotives from the early 1900s. In addition to its popularity with tourists, the Texas State has been featured in a number of television shows and movies. While most of the filming has been done on line, the equipment has also been moved to other locations. In early 1995, for example, a locomotive and some cars were used between Alpine and Presidio during the filming of Larry McMurtry's Streets of Laredo.
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Prince Edward Viaduct
Prince Edward Viaduct | |
Coordinates | 43°40′31″N 79°21′50″W / 43.67528°N 79.36389°WCoordinates: 43°40′31″N 79°21′50″W / 43.67528°N 79.36389°W |
Carries | Upper: 5 vehicle lanes and 2 bicycle lanes of Bloor Street East / Danforth Avenue Lower: 2 tracks of of the Toronto subway |
Crosses | Don River |
Locale | Toronto, Ontario, Canada |
Other name(s) | Bloor Street Viaduct |
Maintained by | Toronto Transportation Services, Toronto Transit Commission |
Characteristics | |
Design | Double-decked arch bridge |
Total length | 494 metres (1,620 feet) |
Clearance below | 40 metres (131 feet) |
History | |
Opened | October 18, 1918 [1] |
The Prince Edward Viaduct System, commonly referred to as the Bloor Viaduct, is the name of a truss arch bridge system in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, that connects Bloor Street East, on the west side of the system, with Danforth Avenue on the east. The system includes the Rosedale Valley phase (a smaller structure, referred to as the Rosedale Valley Bridge, carrying Bloor Street over the Rosedale Ravine) and the Sherbourne Phase, an embankment built to extend Bloor Street East to the Rosedale Ravine from Sherbourne Street. The Don Valley phase of the system, the most recognizable, spans the Don River Valley, crossing over (from west to east) the Bayview Avenue Extension, the Don River, and the Don Valley Parkway.
The roadway has five lanes (three eastbound and two westbound) with a bicycle lane in each direction.[2] The subway level connects Broadview Station in the east with Castle Frank and Sherbourne Stations to the west.
Designed by Edmund W. Burke, the Prince Edward Viaduct is a three hinged concrete-steel arch bridge with a total span of 494 metres (1,620 feet), at 40 metres (131 feet) above the Don Valley. The bridge consists of a deck made of transverse beams and I-girders, which transfer load to column supports. The column supports then transfer the load to the trusses within the arches, which transfer the load to the arches themselves. Finally, the arches transfer their load through large hinges to a concrete pier and eventually to the ground. Steel was provided by Dominion Bridge Company.[3]
In addition to the Don River, the Don Valley Parkway, and Bayview Avenue, two railway lines, an electrical transmission line and a bicycle trail all pass under the bridge spans.
Referenda on the construction of the Prince Edward Viaduct were held in Toronto in every year from 1910 to 1913, with residents voting against its construction in 1912 by 59 votes and in favour in 1913 by 9236 votes.[4] The projected cost of its construction increased from CDN$759,000 in 1910 to CDN$2.5 million in 1913; its final cost was CDN$2,480,349.05 ($35.3 million in 2017 dollars[5]). Upon its completion in 1918, it was named for Prince Edward, Prince of Wales (later King Edward VIII).
The viaduct was designed to facilitate mass transit; its upper deck accommodated trams, while both the Don Valley phase and the Rosedale Valley phase included a lower deck for rail transport, controversial at the time because of its high additional cost. The bridge's designer and the commissioner of public works, R.C. Harris, were able to have their way and the lower deck eventually proved to save millions of dollars when the Toronto Transit Commission's Bloor–Danforth subway opened in 1966. The Rosedale Valley phase was not used for the subway, as the curve between each phase, as well as the curve to the west at Parliament Street, was considered too sharp for the subway. A separate bridge was built over Rosedale Valley, west of the Castle Frank Subway Station. This covered subway bridge was designed by John B. Parkin and Associates with De Leuw Cather Canada (now Delcan) and completed in 1966.
The Prince Edward Viaduct resulted in more rapid development of those portions of Toronto lying on the east side of the Don Valley.
Luminous Veil[edit]
Over time, the Prince Edward Viaduct became a magnet for suicide, falling bodies posing risk to the traffic underneath. With nearly 500 suicides by 2003, the viaduct ranked as the second most fatal standing structure in North America, after the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco.[6][7] At its peak in 1997, the suicide rate averaged one person every 22 days.[citation needed] In 1957, a child also climbed onto the railing and fell accidentally while walking along it.[8]
The suicides and safety risks prompted the construction of a barrier in 2003, though it was first approved by Toronto City Council in 1998 and delayed because of concerns about funding; during that time, the viaduct was the site of an estimated 48 to 60 suicides.[9][10][11] The council originally approved a C$2.5 million budget. However, the minimum bid for construction was C$5.5 million.[9] Council eventually endorsed a fundraising campaign to raise the remainder of the money.[12] Construction was completed in 2003 at the cost of $5.5 million, with $2.5 million coming from taxpayers.[12]
The barrier was called the Luminous Veil.[6] Designed by architect Dereck Revington and engineers at Halcrow Yolles and completed in 2003, the Luminous Veil consists of over 9,000 steel rods, 12.7 cm apart and 5 m high, stretched to cantilevered girders.[13] The tensile structure was difficult to analyze and required several tests at the University of Toronto. Initially, cost prohibited the planned lighting to be installed on the top horizontal member. The lighting installation was completed in July 2015.[14] The Luminous Veil received in 1999 a Canadian Architect Award of Excellence.[15]
A 2010 study found that though the barrier prevented suicide attempts from the Viaduct, overall rates of suicide by jumping for the city of Toronto have not changed since its construction.[16]
Appearance in popular culture[edit]
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In literature, plays, and publications[edit]
(Alphabetical by author)
In music[edit]
- "War on Drugs" by the Barenaked Ladies
- "Anything could happen" by Bruce Cockburn
- "National Hum" by The Constantines
In television[edit]
- Degrassi Junior High episode titled "Dog Days"
See also[edit]
- ^ http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/pdf/10.1139/l84-105
- ^ Photo of westbound traffic
- ^ http://spacing.ca/toronto/2010/04/09/building-storeys-the-canada-linseed-oil-mills-buildings-sorauren-park/
- ^ "Toronto Prepares For A Million People, Carries All Bylaws, Bloor Street Viaduct Will Be Built". Toronto World. January 2, 1913. p. 1.
- ^ Canadian inflation numbers based on Statistics Canada. "Consumer Price Index, historical summary". CANSIM, table (for fee) 326-0021 and Catalogue nos. 62-001-X, 62-010-X and 62-557-X. And Consumer Price Index, by province (monthly) (Canada) Last modified 2016-01-22. Retrieved March 2, 2016
- ^ a b Ritter, John (January 31, 2005). "Suicides tarnish the Golden Gate". usatoday30.usatoday.com. Tysons Corner, VA: Gannett. ISSN 0734-7456. Archived from the original on March 16, 2014. Retrieved March 16, 2014.
North America's No. 2 suicide draw, Toronto's Prince Edward Viaduct, built a multimillion-dollar barrier in 2003 after more than 400 suicides.
- ^ Rivera, John (January 13, 2003). "A barrier to hopeless souls". The Baltimore Sun. Baltimore, Maryland: Tribune Company. p. 1. ISSN 1930-8965. Archived from the original on March 16, 2014. Retrieved March 16, 2014.
"We look at this bridge and know there are at least 480 souls at the bottom who spent the last moment of their life on the way down. This is where they spent their last day before they went to eternity" says Al Birney
- ^ "Tumbles From Viaduct, Boy Hits Mud, Unhurt". Globe and Mail. June 3, 1957. p. 1.
- ^ a b Mental Health Promotion: Overcoming the challenges to 'focusing upstream'
- ^ Do barriers around bridges prevent suicides?
- ^ NOW: Where spirits live, May 8 - 14, 2003 Archived December 14, 2006, at the Wayback Machine.
- ^ NOW: Where spirits live, May 8 - 14, 2003 Archived December 14, 2006, at the Wayback Machine.
- ^ Bloor Viaduct's 'luminous veil' to light up for Pan Am torch relay
- ^ "Suicide prevention barrier". Canadian Architect. Business Information Group. August 2001. Archived from the original on October 22, 2006. Retrieved March 16, 2014.
- ^ Bridge Barrier Fails to Lower Toronto's Suicide Rate: Suicide-by-jumping rate at Bloor Street Viaduct lower; rates at other bridges higher, HealthDay News, July 7, 2010. Retrieved from ModernMedicine.com's website, July 2, 2013.
External links[edit]
Wikimedia Commons has media related to Prince Edward Viaduct. |
- Railway bridges in Ontario
- Bridges completed in 1918
- Bridges completed in 1966
- Bridges in Toronto
- Don Valley
- Double-decker bridges
- Road-rail bridges
- Viaducts in Canada
- Deck arch bridges
- Concrete bridges in Canada
- Road bridges in Ontario
- Buildings and structures in Toronto
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ummmm I totally meant to answer this post as if I thought it was an actual question :) totally on purpose.
It's a trap! If you go ahead and try to prove something in the Bible is wrong, then it's either a metaphor, a translation error, or is taken out of context. Don't do it.
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It's a trap! If you go ahead and try to prove something in the Bible is wrong, then it's either a metaphor, a translation error, or is taken out of context. Don't do it.
Not if the person asking is a literal interpreter. In that case, there are no metaphors (literalness excludes poetic interpretations), no translation errors (because God inspires translators), and it's all literally true, no context required.
Absolutely yes! To my complete satisfaction.
While not actually in the categories listed, I seem to recall that the Bible classifies bats as birds.
The Bible also refers to whales as fish, but this was all before genetics and modern taxonomy, and so it's understandable. Now, if they referred to dogs as birds or sheep as fish, then I'd say they were crazy, but for their time, it's understandable. UNLESS, of course, The Bible is regarded as the infallible word of God. In that case, bats ARE birds and whales ARE fish, because God says so.
I could ask him the same question, Prove to me without the words of the bible that anything happened. It seems history around that time was very well recorded in and on a multitude of different medias or mediums. Except occurrences of the bible seem only to be recorded in that one book.
It seems likely that the Bible was written as a story book about one mans trials, triumphs and tragedies. Something that was taken by those with power and turned into a means of controlling the illiterate <-- this is proven if you actually study history (specifically art history)..
Also in these history classes you will learn where all the different versions of the bible came from (except the "original"), who changed them and why they changed them and what made this change necessary.
Included in all this history; you can take art history classes and learn about all the original belief systems that also were changed and manipulated by people of power that seem to have very similar stories; all predating the Bible. This will give you an idea of the origins of the Bible story.
Bravo, I think I'm crying. I'm laughing to hard.
Many people take the bible as proof of the existence of God. The problem with that argument is that they base everything on the teachings of the bible and the church. The origin of the legends in the bible are based on tales told for millenia. Like most tales told over and over, passed from father to son, family to family, through the years they become twisted and changed and embellished.
The Greco-Roman mythologies, the Egyptian mythology, and Arabic/Palestinian legends are all bases for the tales in the bible. Much of what is in the old testament and some of what is in the new testament all can be easily traced back to legends and tales of gods and holy men and healers and experiences that occurred more than a thousand years before the purported existence of "Christ."
You must acknowledge that taking the bible verbatim is delusional and ideological foolishness. The original stories have themselves been altered by the teller of the tales through the generations. The transcription of the tales into workable stories written in the Vulgate, the Torah, etc. and later appended and edited by the various popes and holy leaders in the churches, who had blood-soaked agendas of their own, and finally into the abridged and reconstructed King James version of the bible… Countless alterations and modifications and MIS-INTERPRETATIONS have taken place every time someone translates or revises the series of tales found in the bible.
For example, simply hold side-by-side any King James bible with a New American Modern bible. So many verses, words, and even subtle meanings are lost as the Olde English words have been re-interpreted into something newer and easier to read and comprehend by American English readers who have no interest in attempting to sort out the odd turn of phrase in the Olde English version.
The point here is — The bible is as valid as one believes it to be. The stories and "histories" and verses within have been altered countless times and for anyone to use the bible as basis for determining the presence and proof of existence of a so-called God or Son of God is absolutely ludicrous!
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CricInfo has published a World XI for Test cricket. It's fun to play selector for hypothetical teams. This was going on for some time on CricInfo and Pakistanis must have voted for Miandad while New Zealanders must have voted for Martin Crowe as the second best middle-order batsman ever.
It's all hypothetical. No point in arguing with the format of the game or the venues. All cricketing rules as of the end of 2009 will be deemed valid. Third umpire will be in place. Five unsuccessful review requests per innings per team will be allowed. The two teams will play a ten-game series of five-day test matches at the following venues over a year.
- Eden Gardens, Kolkata, India
- The Lord's, London, England
- Melbourne Cricket Ground, Melbourne, Australia
- Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore, Pakistan
- Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados
- Newlands Cricket Ground, Cape Town, South Africa
- The Basin Reserve, Wellington, New Zealand
- The Oval, Kennington, England
- Sydney Cricket Ground, Sydney, Australia
- PCA Stadium, Mohali, India
I have used the pool of cricketers created by CricInfo. It is easier that way. But I do not necessarily agree to their 5-batsmen 4-bowlers 1-allrounder approach. In a test match, a team needs to have four main bowlers and two to three change bowlers. This is particularly true for batsman-friendly pitches.
Some people may argue that names like Dennis Lillee, Ricky Ponting, Ian Botham etc should not be considered here because they have more shameful acts to their names than heroics on the field. But, that way, most of the Australian and some of the British, and a few of the Indian, Pakistani, Kiwi, ……… players should also be ignored. The teams will look oridinary!
My two best teams will comprise:
Five Batsmen
An Attacking Opener
Keeping an opener who can dominate the ball from the very beginning is a viable option here because we should have a solid middle order. Graeme Smith (91 tests 7457 runs @ 49.7 22×100 29×50) and Sehwag (87 tests 7694 runs @ 53.4 22×100 27×50) are my choices. I have a feeling that no one else would choose them in their all-time cricket eleven. This selection is not to say that these two are better openers than, say, Barry Richards or Gavaskar. This is just to say that these two would compliment the rest of the teams in the best possible way. For my list of best cricketers in the major roles, please see the table at the end of the post.
Barry Richards played in too few international matches to be considered in an all-time XI. Sehwag and Smith are clearly the best attacking openers, going by statistics and by what contemporary players have to say. Gordon Grinidge, Conrad Hunte etc have far worse staistics than these two.
An Anchoring Opener
Hutton (79 tests 6971 runs @ 56.7 19×100 33×50) and Hobbs (61 tests 5410 runs @ 56.9 15×100 28×50). They can come in based purely on batting average. Gavaskar (125 tests 10122 runs @ 51.12 34×100 45×50) could replace any of the two, though. These three are among the best five opening batsmen of all time.
Three Middle-Order Batsmen
Three middle-order batsmen to dominate the bowling or build a defence, as the situation may demand. Bradman (52 tests 6996 runs @ 99.94 29×100 13×50) is an automatic choice. The other five are Tendulkar (177 tests 14692 runs @ 56.94 51×100 59×50), Lara (131 tests 11953 runs @ 52.88 34×100 48×50), Richards (121 tests 8540 runs @ 50.23 24×100 45×50), Headley (22 tests 2190 runs @ 60.83 10×100 5×50) and Hammond (85 tests 7249 runs @ 58.45 22×100 24×50). (I guess any of these guys, save Bradman, can be replaced by any of Border, Ponting, Steve Waugh, Dravid, The 3W's, RG Pollock, Greg Chappell and Sangakkara!). Going by statistics, these are the best middle order batsmen of all time. Some of these players even have a decent bowling record, too.
Two All-Rounders
At least one of the all-rounders should better be a quality spinner, the oppsite variety of the main spinner. But since we have a few good spinners from amongst the batsmen, this is not an absolute necessity.
One Batting All-Rounder
Sobers is an automatic choice. The other one should be Kallis. These are the two best batting all-rounders of all time.
One Bowling All-Rounder
Imran Khan and Keith Miller. If Imran Khan is not discredited for his ball tampering, he is one of the two best all-rounders in cricket history, the other one being Gary Sobers. Keith Miller had very Imranesque records. Both Kapil Dev and Ian Botham were outstanding all-rounders, specially during the early days of their careers, but would lose out to Imran and Miller in terms of statistics over the whole internationsal career. Shaun Pollock was another great bowling all-rounder to be considered here.
One Wicket-Keeper
A quality wicket-keeper, both for fast bowling and spin, who is at least a useful batsman. Alan Knott and Adam Gilchrist are the two best here.
Three Strike Bowlers
Two Fast Bowlers
Marshall, Barnes, McGrath and Hadlee. It could have been Trueman, Lillee, Akram and Garner as well. Or Waqar Younis, Alan Dadidson, Alan Donald and Ambrose/Walsh. Even Dale Steyn could easily be picked based on his phenomenal strike rate. But I kept the search simple. At least 150 wickets taken, a strike rate of at most 60, a bowling average of at most 24, and all these conditions are true for over-all career as well as in only away-games (other than for Barnes) against fairly strong oppositions.
One Spinner
Warne and Muralitharan. This is purely based on statistics and consistency of their performance. Kumble, Jim Laker, the Indian Spin Quatret, Subhas Gupte, Underwood, Mankad, Grimmett etc could be considered, too. But Warne and Muralitharan remain the two best spinners of all time.
[An 'All'-Time Indian Test XI may have a different combination than the above, though. Since India has not produced a match-winning fast bowler yet, the team may have to be a little all-rounder heavy, i.e., having a few players who are good bowlers and decent batsmen. Here is the combination:
Two opening batsmen from among Gavaskar, Sehwag, Gambhir and Vijay Merchant
Three middle-order batsmen from among Tendulkar, Dravid, M Amarnath, Laxman, Ganguly, Vijay Hazare
One wicket-keeper from Dhoni and Kirmani
Five from the three categories below, depending on the pitch and some other conditions
Two/three all-rounders from Mankad, KapilDev and Phadkar
One/two pacer(s) from Zaheer Khan, Srinath, Amar Singh, Nissar
Two/one spinner(s) from Kumble, Gupte, Bedi, Chandra, Prasanna and Harbhajan
Mankad, KapilDev and Phadkar are very good batsmen capable of scoring centuries. Harbhajan, Zaheer, Srinath, Amar Singh and Kumble are also decent batsmen. On the other hand, M Amarnath, Vijay Hazare and Ganguly are decent medium pacers and Sehwag and Tendulkar can spin the ball
A very valid point to remember here:
An Indian team with eight of the players listed above (Gambhir, Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid, Dhoni, Laxman, Zaheer and Harbhajan) has been white-washed by England in England and by Australia in Australia in 2010-2011!
How about this as the best Indian test XI: Gavaskar, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, M Amarnath, Mankad, Dhoni, Kapildev, Amar Singh, Kumble, Bedi? Bats deep – other than for Bedi, everyone is capable of scoring some runs. Has three good medium pacers and three excellent spinners. Dhoni would be the captain, and Kapildev would be vice captain.
Another combination could be Gavaskar, Mankad, Dravid, Tendulkar, M Amarnath, Ganguly/Laxman, Dhoni, Kapildev, Amar Singh, Kumble, Bedi – this allows one extra batsman and one extra seamer in Ganguly if played in the British conditions.]
The Final Teams
Any of these two can be the first team and the other would be the second team. I would not name them in any order. Just two random names. The team containing Bradman and Sobers may look like the first choice team, though. Bradman is statistically the most dominant player in a major sport, and Sobers is considered the greatest cricketer ever by many. But the batsmen in the 'second' team are more well-rounded, in the sense that most of them play pace and spin equally well.
Both the teams bat very deep. The first team has four quality pace bowlers, one great off-spinner and two other good spinners (Gary Sobers doubling as a spinner, and Viv Richards). The second team has four quality pace bowlers, one great leg-spinner, two good off-break bowlers (Hammond and Sehwag) and one good leg-spinner (Tendulkar). Warne never had to lead any test side, but I think he is the best choice to lead the 'second' team.
My composition and Richie Benaud's composition have very similar structures even though I had no idea that Benaud picked an all-time eleven in 2004.
My Best XI | My World XI | CricInfo XI A | CricInfo XI B | Richie Benaud's XI | Bradman's XI |
Len Hutton | Jack Hobbs | Jack Hobbs | Sunil Gavaskar | Jack Hobbs | Arthur Morris |
Graeme Smith | Virender Sehwag | Len Hutton | Barry Richards | Sunil Gavaskar | Barry Richards |
Don Bradman (vc) | George Headley | Don Bradman | George Headley | Don Bradman | Don Bradman |
Brian Lara | Sachin Tendulkar | Sachin Tendulkar | Brian Lara | Viv Richards | Sachin Tendulkar |
Viv Richards | Wally Hammond (vc) | Viv Richards | Wally Hammond | Sachin Tendulkar | Gary Sobers |
Gary Sobers | Jacques Kallis | Gary Sobers | Imran Khan | Garry Sobers | Don Tallon |
Imran Khan (cp) | Adam Gilchrist (wk) | Adam Gilchrist | Alan Knott | Imran Khan | Ray Lindwall |
Alan Knott (wk) | Keith Miller | Malcolm Marshall | Bill O'Reilly | Adam Gilchrist | Dennis Lillee |
Malcolm Marshall | Richard Hadlee | Shane Warne | Fred Trueman | Shane Warne | Alec Bedser |
Muttiah Muralitharan | Shane Warne (cp) | Wasim Akram | Muttiah Muralitharan | Dennis Lillee | Bill O'Reilly |
Sydney Barnes | Glenn McGrath | Dennis Lillee | Sydney Barnes | Sydney Barnes | Clarrie Grimmett |
You should better disagree with this 'selection' if you have ever watched any form of cricket. Please post your own Best World XI as a comment here. Just remember not to pick Salil Ankola, Ian Chatfield, Alan Mulally etc. As long as you have Bradman and Sobers, and nine other players from the names mentioned in bold letters in this post ( a couple of players may be from elsewhere, too), you have a good Cricket World XI. Well, you have to have the combination right, too. Can't have five spinners and six openers! Here is a pool to choose from (Benaud's final selections have been italicised):
Richie Benaud's Greatest XI & Pool (2004) | My Pool (more or less in order) | Names featuring in two/+ final lists | ||
Openers | Jack Hobbs | Len Hutton | Len Hutton | |
Sunil Gavaskar | Jack Hobbs | Jack Hobbs | ||
Victor Trumper | Sunil Gavaskar | Sunil Gavaskar | ||
Gordon Greenidge | Virender Sehwag | Barry Richards | ||
Len Hutton | Graeme Smith | |||
Arthur Morris | Barry Richards | |||
First-down | Don Bradman | Don Bradman | Rahul Dravid | Don Bradman |
Walter Hammond | George Headley | Ricky Ponting | George Headley | |
George Headley | Walter Hammond | Walter Hammond | ||
Middle Order | Viv Richards | Sach Tendulkar | Alan Border | Viv Richards |
Sachin Tendulkar | Viv Richards | Sangakkara | Sachin Tendulkar | |
Graeme Pollock | Greg Chappell | Brian Lara | ||
Brian Lara | Brian Lara | |||
Frank Worrell | Graeme Pollock | |||
Greg Chappell | Steve Waugh | |||
All-rounders | Garry Sobers | Garry Sobers | Garry Sobers | |
Imran Khan | Imran Khan | Imran Khan | ||
Ian Botham | Keith Miller | |||
Richard Hadlee | Kapil Dev | |||
Kapil Dev | Ian Botham | |||
Keith Miller | Jacques Kallis | |||
Wicket-keeper | Adam Gilchrist | Alan Knott | Alan Knott | |
Rod Marsh | Adam Gilchrist | Adam Gilchrist | ||
Ian Healy | Rod Marsh | |||
Spin–Bowler | Shane Warne | Muralitharan | Vinoo Mankad | Shane Warne |
Bill O'Reilly | Shane Warne | Indian Fab4 * | Muralitharan | |
Abdul Qadir | Anil Kumble | Jim Laker | Bill O'Reilly | |
Bill O'Reilly | Underwood | |||
Pace-Bowlers | Dennis Lillee | Sydney Barnes | Wasim Akram | Sydney Barnes |
Sydney Barnes | Malc Marshall | Dennis Lillee | Malc Marshall | |
Ray Lindwall | Richard Hadlee | Alan Donald | Dennis Lillee | |
Fred Trueman | Glenn McGrath | Waqar Younis | ||
Glenn McGrath | Fred Trueman | Alan Davidson | ||
Harold Larwood | Curt Ambrose | Joel Garner |
The Wisden list published in 2001 tried to quantify and rank single individual performances as well as overall career performances for all cricketers who have played test matches. The merit and acceptability of this list is suspect, but we may use this as another pool of great cricketers. Only, Wisden is a little biased towards British and Australian cricketers. The top ("most influencial") ten test batsmen, according to the list that takes the entire careers into account, are (in order): Bradman, Tendulkar, Dravid, Sobers, Border, Hobbs, Barrington, Gavaskar, GS Chappell and Lara. The top ten bowlers are Muralitharan, Hadlee, Barnes, Warne, Grimmett, McGrath, Lillee, Marshall, Imran Khan and Walsh. Other than for Barrington, all the names are there in my pool.


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Have you taken the NRA basic asafety course? I think that all of them would issues the CCW as long as they had a mailing address is here in the US. Do you have friends or relatives here in the US that would hold or forward your mail to you?
This is a discussion on What states will issue to NON US RESIDENT citizen? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Amazing as it seems, some states are barring US citizens who are not presently permanent residents of the USA from obtaining non resident permits; whereas ...
Amazing as it seems, some states are barring US citizens who are not presently permanent residents of the USA from obtaining non resident permits; whereas NON citizens are able to obtain permits as long as they are residents of the USA. Bizarre or what? As a citizen where are my constitutional rights?
I have searched all the usual sites but cannot seem to get a handle on what states will issue to NON RESIDENT US CITIZENS living outside of the country (i.e. contracted to work outside the country).
There are states that will issue and I presently have Utah, Maine, Virginia, Pennsylvania. Does anyone know factually of other states that will issue to me?
Connecticut ran me through the hoops, asking for more paperwork, and then rejected my application and kept my money. Florida was gracious in calling me to advise me that I needed to be a US resident (not just a citizen) and sent me my money back although they did not have to.
I gather that Nevada and Arizona may issue to me if I go there to attend classes and apply in person....
Right now I am just trying to CMA in case some of the states decide not to issue non resident permits and I am trying to get max coverage as I travel through the states all the time.
I would especially like to have a FLA permit but they will not even recognize a permit issued by another state unless I am a resident of that state.
The problem will be partially resolved next year when we retire and buy the ranch in Texas or New Mexico.... but in the meantime I sure would like to get the ball rolling.
Have you taken the NRA basic asafety course? I think that all of them would issues the CCW as long as they had a mailing address is here in the US. Do you have friends or relatives here in the US that would hold or forward your mail to you?
Az or Utah are prlly your best bets. They arm everyone (love the west)
I'm no Lawyer , but if you file a STATE Tax return in a U.S. state AND maintain
a residence in that state you should be able to use it on your application along
with any valid State ID you have.
-SIG , it's What's for Dinner-
know your rights!
"If I walk in the woods, I feel much more comfortable carrying a gun. What if you meet a bear in the woods that's going to attack you? You shoot it."
{Bernhard Goetz}
Colorado, Kansas, and West Virginia will not accept a non-resident permit either. As a non-resident of the US I believe Utah is the only state to issue. They are considering terminating that policy due to expense of processing and a lack of data on non-resident from the FBI computers.
Owning real estate in a county/state might qualify you too.
Some jurisdictions however, require a utility bill in your name to establish a residence.
Also, in some states military personnel, under permanent change of station orders, are considered residents for CCW purposes.
Last edited by KenInColo; February 23rd, 2008 at 05:50 PM. Reason: Last paragraph
An armed populace are called citizens.
An unarmed populace are called subjects.
Resident aliens in Tennessee can get a permit. I hear that a TN non res permit is a rarity, but I don't see why a Canadian couldn't get a permit in one of the states that likes to issue non res permits.
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November 7, 2010
Polenta Lasagna with Creamy Mushroom Sauce
Perfect for a fall or winter casserole-type craving, this hearty, absolutely delicious twist on lasagna is easy to make and surprisingly low in both fat and calories. Imagine the comforting texture of polenta, combined with salty and cheesy flavors, and of course, the robust and earthy mushrooms...it looks and smells so amazing, you'll have trouble waiting for it to set once it's out of the oven!
The most difficult and time-consuming part of this recipe is the mushroom prep. Depending on your cheapskate-ness (I'm the reigning queen), you can simply buy a pound of pre-sliced mushrooms (go for a mixed variety)...or you can buy the mushrooms whole (which is cheaper!) and clean and slice them yourself. I used a combo of crimini and shiitake for this dish, which worked well together. And yes, cleaning and slicing a pound of mushrooms (especially those tiny shiitakes!) takes a while.
Once that's out of the way, make the sauce. Simply saute onions, the mushrooms, and garlic, and then add milk, cornstarch, cream cheese, and wine. Once everything is tender, melted, and creamy, season it with salt, pepper, and nutmeg...the amounts suggested in the recipe are perfect. The sauce tastes SO amazing, you may want to double the amount to use over pasta in the future. I actually started eating the sauce when it was done once I got my first sample. Seriously, it's that good.
Next, you'll build the "lasagna," which really ends up being more of a polenta stack. The recipe suggests a 10x10 dish, but my 8x8 worked just fine. Simply layer the mushroom sauce, sliced polenta, and Parmesan a few times, and bake for about 45 minutes until it's all bubbly and a salty, earthy aroma fills your kitchen. The final step is a topping of more Parmesan, which is then broiled until lightly browned.
Your final dish is rich with flavor, salty, creamy, and earthy. The broiled Parmesan adds that delicious burnt, smoky cheese flavor that is just amazing in Italian pasta dishes. One "stack" (there are 9 in the pan) is great as a side, but two of them would definitely make a main course. And because this dish is so good, you'll want the main course portion.
Make again? Definitely. I'd also try an adaptation of the recipe using regular lasagna noodles and a spinach filling...mmmmm.
Vegan variation: Use soy milk, vegan cream cheese, and a vegan Parmesan substitute.
Polenta Lasagna with Creamy Mushroom Sauce
Vegetarian Times, April 2006
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- Anonymous12/12/10, 7:44 AM
this looks delish! thanks for sharing. def just saved it to my online cookbook (http://cookmarked.com/recipes.aspx).
thinking i might try some other veggie in place of mushrooms - the BF hates them :( - Crystal12/14/10, 3:41 AM
great recipe..i am a mushroom head!!
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All right! Here we are, approaching the 4th of July weekend! What better way to celebrate then with a free book?!
Many of you have heard of Lisa Mantchev's upcoming book Eyes Like Stars(here's a link to my review). Well, would you like a copy? I'll be giving away a copy in celebration of our Freedom day. All you have to do is post a comment here. If you post about this contest on your blog and post a link here, I'll give you an extra entry.
Easy. Straight forward. And fun! Entries will end on Midnight (Mountain time) on Wednesday the 15th. I'll announce the winner one week from today and I will mail out the book as soon as I get the winner's address. No international entries. I'm sorry, but I can't afford that.
Okay, in summary:
A contest to give away Lisa Mantchev's Eyes Like Stars
Just comment to be entered
Post a link to a blog post advertising the contest for another entry
No international entries
No entries after midnight on Wednesday the 15th
Winner announced Thursday the 16th
All right! Let's go!
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- Anidori-KiladraJuly 5, 2009 at 7:20 AM
This book looks so good!
Thank you so much for commenting! I read each and every one.
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Note: Currently, MultiCharts allows simulated trading only for traders who use a Zen-Fire or Rithmic data feed, or those with PFGBEst demo accounts, Interactive Brokers or Mirus Futures. Otherwise, the platform can only be used to place actual trades in a live market.
Opening and Modifying Orders
Traders can choose from three methods to place orders within MultiCharts: the Trade Bar, Chart Trading and the Depth of Market (DOM) interface.
Trade Bar
The MultiCharts Trade Bar is a standard order entry method that allows users to trade through many brokers at the same time. The Trade Bar can be opened by selecting View in the main menu > "Show Trade Bar."
Figure 21: To start trading, open Trade Bar. |
The Trade Bar will appear at the top of the Workspace.
Figure 22: Trade Bar |
Source: www.multicharts.com |
There are tabs at the top of the Trade Bar, one for each broker profile created (in the above example, there are tabs for FXCN, IWBank Quick Trade, Interactive Brokers, Open E Cry, Trading Technologies and Zen-Fire).
To trade using the Trade Bar, choose the tab that represents the appropriate broker and then:
- Enter the trading symbol
- Select the order type
- Enter the quantity
- Type in the exact price
- Select "Buy" or "Sell"
The Chart Trading panel allows traders to place manual orders directly from a chart. To show or hide the Chart Trading panel, click the Chart Trading panel button at the top right corner of any chart.
Figure 23: Place manual orders directly with the Chart Trading panel. |
Source: www.multicharts.com |
Selecting a Broker
To select a broker, click on the arrow next to the Broker Connection button and make a selection from the broker list. This button will be yellow while MultiCharts is establishing a connection with the broker; once the connection is established, it will turn green.
Selecting an Instrument
The instrument that is selected in the active chart attached to the Chart Trading interface will be the instrument for which all trading activity takes place.
Placing Orders
Chart Trading allows one-click order placements. Buy or Sell market orders can be sent by pressing the "Buy Mkt" and "Sell Mkt" buttons. The "Buy Ask," "Buy Bid," "Sell Bid" and "Sell Ask" buttons send buy and sell limit orders at ask and bid prices.
Figure 24: Buttons for one-click order placements. |
Source: www.multicharts.com |
When using Chart Trading, the price chart is cursor-sensitive so right-clicking on the chart will generate an order at the price level clicked on. Orders can also be dragged and dropped directly to a specific price on the chart. Users can send single orders and entire strategies using these methods.
The Place Order and Exit Strategy icons can be applied by drag-and-drop or by right-clicking to the individual order. The icons are rearranged automatically; the most recently used icon will be displayed in the top left corner of the menu. These icons are covered more in-depth in the Depth-of-Market section below.
Figure 25: Drag-and-drop icons for orders. |
Source: www.multicharts.com |
Canceling Orders
Orders can be canceled by any of the following methods:
- Click on the "Close" button on the order/strategy market,
- Right-click the order marker on the price chart to open the shortcut menu, and select "Cancel Order" or
- Click the appropriate button in the Chart Trading panel ("Cancel Bids," "Cancel Asks" or "Cancel All").
SEE: Understanding Order Execution
Modifying Orders
Price levels and order quantities can be modified for orders that have not yet been filled. To adjust the price level:
- Drag the order market on the price chart and drop it to the new level.
- To cancel the price level adjustment, press the Esc key on the keyboard before releasing the mouse button.
- Right-click the order market on the price chart to open the shortcut menu, select "Change Quantity" and select the quantity, or
- Click on the volume value on the order market and modify the quantity in the Trading Calculator.
Figure 26: Changing the quantity of an order. |
Source: www.multicharts.com |
Closing Orders
Traders can close a position by using one of the following methods:
- Right-click the order marker on the price chart to open the shortcut menu and select "Close Position,"
- Click on the "Close" button on the Chart Trading Panel or
- Click on the "Close" button on the position marker on the price chart.
Beginner's Guide To MultiCharts Trading Platform: Depth Of Market
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M2FW 2012 Singapore Gala Opening Features 8eight, Sungha Jung and Megan Lee
Bringing more and more influence from the land of the morning calm, M2FW 2012, Mens and Music Fashion Week 2012 held at Marina Bay Sands, Singapore oversees stunning line-up and appearances from our favorite stars from Korea!
The Opening Night coming 18 April 2012 will present two spectacular shows: one from the internationally-acclaimed Korean designer, SONGZIO and three Korean acts featuring Sungha Jung and Megan Lee will kick off the evening. Sungha Jung is no stranger to our earsfollowing to my interview with him late last year, hes collaborating with Lee, a young Korean-American singer, songwriter and actress, who, though known more for her covers on YouTube, but is set to embark on her solo music career, will mesmerize guests with her soulful voice.
Later in the evening, Baek Chan, Lee Hyun and Joo Hee, of the band 8eight will take over and croon on their hit tunes!
To end the evening, Nick Hart, designer of Spencer Hart, will be the guest DJ for the party, hosted by Songzio. Throughout the five-day MFW Singapore 2012, expect more J- and K-pop and international stars to descend on MFW Singapore 2012!
Theres more for everyone to come in the largest mens fashion festival in Asia until 22nd April! Take note as Korean singer Se7en (aka Choi Dong-wook), Korean-American rock band Royal Pirates, and top Korean male supermodels, CNBLUEs Lee Jung Shin and Lee Su Hyuk, will be making an appearance with international male supermodel and face of MFW Singapore 2011, Philip Huang!
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The day will start off with lunch and live music followed by midway games and prizes throughout the drop-in centre. Movies will be shown in the computer lab for those who want a more relaxing time. Cake will be served in the afternoon and then a special dinner will follow. Volunteers will be on hand to assist with the day's celebration. It will be a fun filled Family Day for everyone involved.
"The family we serve are often forgotten and thought of as outcasts in our society, said Don Evans, Executive Director of Our Place. "This day will be about celebrating each person who comes into Our Place to let them know they belong, are loved, cared for and are part of our family."
The day was made possible by a generous grant from the United Church of Canada.
Our Place Society is an adult community centre serving the poor, disabled, and homeless of Greater Victoria. At its location on Pandora Avenue it serves over 1200 meals per day. OPS offers a place for people to shower, get clean clothing, participate in community programming, as well as gather and share a story with friends in a place of belonging. OPS also has forty-five transitional housing units for the hardest to house in our region.
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"A tie is like kissing your sister."
-J.C. Humes
How about if America woke up on November 7th and "269 – 269" was the headline on the front of major newspapers? The implication would be that the Electoral College was effectively tied. This is actually a somewhat plausible scenario in 2012. It could occur with Obama winning all of Kerry's states from 2004 and adding New Mexico and Ohio. Currently, both New Mexico and Ohio, albeit marginally, are in the Obama camp.
In the event of an Electoral College tie, the decision gets handed to the House of Representatives. Given that the Republicans hold a majority in the House, Romney would then become the next President. Just as many moderates think that the Tea Party has hijacked the Republican Party, they would now be arguably the key reason that the Republicans gained the Presidency. After all, if it weren't for the Tea Party insurgency (for lack of a better word) in the midterms, the Republicans would likely not currently control the House.
Regardless of whether you believe my 269 scenario, it is beyond argument that this race is getting too close to call. The averages of the major national polls are basically within 0.5 points, favorability ratings of the candidates are basically tied, and neither candidate has a definite edge in the Electoral College.
There are some credible outliers related to predicting the outcome of the election. One of these is Professor Ken Bickers from the University of Colorado. He has done an analysis that looks at state level economics as a predictor for the Electoral College. Currently, his analysis suggests that Romney and Ryan may win up to 330 seats.
We will be joined by Professor Bickers today at 1pm today for a conference call to discuss his analysis. For institutional macro subscribers, the materials and dial-in will be circulated this morning. If you are not an institutional macro subscriber, ping to inquire about access.
Politics matters as it relates to future economic policy, so we have been and will continue to focus closely on this election. In fact, we would postulate that some of the stock market weakness over the last few days, though largely driven by #EarningsSlowing, is being amplified by increasing uncertainty in political outcomes in the United States.
Globally, the bigger concern continues to be tepid economic growth. This morning HSBC's flash PMI for China came in at 49.1 versus expectations of 47.9. Even if marginally better than expected, the number remains below 50. In Europe the numbers were bleaker as the Eurozone Flash PMI came in at 45.3 versus an estimate of 46.5. The German IFO business climate indicator also disappointed marginally coming in at 100.0 versus expectations of 101.6. Not surprisingly, the Euro is weak and Spanish yields are backing up this morning, as result.
It is a major policy day today in the United States with an announcement coming from the Federal Reserve. The FOMC rate decision will be held at 12:30pm today with a Bernanke press conference at 2:15pm. Even though the stock market basically peaked on the day of the last Fed announcement, it is unlikely that even Chairman Bernanke adds more fuel to the fire at this point. Although if the Fed were to signal they are going to take the money printing press up a gear, that would be the ultimate October surprise. It may even be bigger news than the October surprise that Donald Trump is purportedly going to reveal on Twitter today.
Our friends at Bespoke Investment Group actually did an interesting analysis looking at the return of the stock market on the days of Fed announcements in this period of zero interest rate policy. According to their analysis, the SP500 showed a positive return on 21 out of 31 of those days with an average gain of +0.71.
Even as history is a guidepost, we would suggest that investors are getting much better at front running the Fed. This is actually born out in the numbers as in the last year the return on a Fed day is closer to +0.30. Yes, this is still a positive return, but only marginally so. Today the setup seems more poised to disappoint as Chairman Bernanke will likely not have much new positive news on the economy, and is also unlikely to further ease. But, we've been surprised by the Fed before . . .
The broader issue with the Fed's long-term zero interest rate policy is that extreme levels at which certain asset classes are getting priced. One example is the high yield market. As one high yield investor emailed me yesterday:
"Our basic premise is that there is massive technical support in the search for yield for the broader HY and leverage loan market driving yields to historically tight levels. There is such appetite in the loan market that terms are reverting back to 2007 peak levels…new issue spreads are being compressed and covenants are being pulled (45% of new issue is now 'cov-lite' vs. 10% last year). To a large extent this has been driven by the return of the clo…back from the dead…or at least from 2007. CLO issuance will be $40bn this year, which is more than the last 4yrs combined."
Now we aren't ready to make a big call on high yield market just yet, but the red flags raised above are well worth pointing out. After all, it's not a tie if you are long high yield at the top.
Our immediate-term risk ranges for Gold, Oil (Brent), US Dollar, EUR/USD, UST 10yr Yield, and the SP500 are now $1, $107.48-110.71, $79.58-80.16, $1.29-1.31, 1.71-1.82%, and 1, respectively.
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Daryl G. Jones
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We qualify the miss since someone held well in July. Despite at least 4 sell-side downward revisions in October, we're still below consensus EBITDA by 4%.
Thanks to Big Ben, this asset heavy, debt-laden company's stock has held in pretty well. Meanwhile, management has done a good job refinancing its substantial debt and saved some dough on interest expense. Ah, but those pesky fundamentals. The Strip is going backward, not forward. Slot volume and non-Baccarat table play are moving in the wrong direction.
The slots have us particularly concerned as you may have noticed. We don't agree with the commonly held perception that the Strip is stable. Slot revenue is high margin and the trend is down, not up. Q3 RevPAR will be down which was supposed to be an anomaly. We fear, MGM's Q4 commentary will turn that anomaly into a trend.
The Street looks too high for 4Q 2012 and 2013. We are currently 13% below the Street in EBITDA for Q4 2012 and 10% below for 2013. Our below Street numbers are predicated on our cautious macro outlook, way too aggressive Street growth estimates, inflationary cost pressures, and the unfavorable demographic picture we've highlighted over the past 6 months.
MGM will report Q3 earnings on October 31st. We estimate $2.3BN of net revenue and $446MM of consolidated property level EBITDA. We also look at wholly owned EBITDA plus MGM's pro-rata share of MGM China and City Center, less corporate expense which produces EBITDA of $395MM. Our net revenue estimate is in-line with consensus while our comparable EBITDA is 4% below consensus.
We project MGM's Strip properties to produce net revenue of $1,196MM and EBITDA of $248MM, in-line and 7% below Street numbers, respectively: average RevPAR declines of 4%, low single digit casino and other growth, and low single digit operating expense increases.
- Bellagio: $286MM of net revenue and $76MM of EBITDA, 1% above and in-line with consensus, respectively
- 1% decline in RevPAR
- 4% growth in casino & other
- 4% expense growth
- MGM Grand: $239MM of net revenue and $34MM of EBITDA, 4% above and 9% below consensus, respectively
- 2% decrease in RevPAR
- 3% growth in casino & other
- 2% YoY expense growth
- Last year and last quarter both suffered from low hold, so this quarter has a low bar
- Mandalay Bay: $190MM of net revenue and $40MM of EBITDA, 3% and 4% below consensus, respectively
- 4% decrease in RevPAR
- 5% decrease in casino & other
- 5% decrease YoY expenses
- Mirage: $144MM of net revenue and $23MM of EBITDA, 1% above and 13% below consensus, respectively
- 2% YoY decrease RevPAR
- 4% increase in casino & other
- 5% increase in expenses
- This quarter should have an easy comp as 3Q11 casino and other revenue declined 14% YoY due to MGM's comment that Mirage experienced "very low hold". MGM also commented that hold was low in 2Q12.
Other U.S:
- MGM Detroit net revenue of $139MM and EBITDA of $41MM, in-line and 2% above consensus, respectively
- Mississippi net revenue of $126MM and EBITDA of $34MM, 3% below and 6% above consensus, respectively
We're estimating that MGM Macau will report $688MM of net revenue and $172MM of EBITDA (the street is at $668MM and $165MM, respectively.) Our assumptions in HK$MM's are as follows:
- Net casino revenue of $5.3BN and total revenue of $5.3BN
- Net VIP win of $3.4BN
- VIP Turnover: 173,300 assuming 9% direct play
- Hold of 2.93%
- Rebate rate of 35% or 1.01%
- Net VIP win of $3.4BN
- Mass table win of $1,430MM
- Slot win of $503MM
- Variable expenses of $3,245MM
- $2,765MM of taxes and gaming premiums
- $451MM of commissions to junkets
- Fixed expenses of $715MM
- $93MM of branding fees
We estimate that City Center will report $48MM of EBITDA on $264MM of net revenues:
- Aria: $214MM of net revenue and $40MM of EBITDA
- Mandarin Oriental: $11MM of revenue and $0MM of EBITDA
- Crystals: $14MM of revenue and $9MM of EBITDA
- Vdara: $21MM of revenue and $5MM of EBITDA
- $6MM of development and administrative expenses
Other stuff:
- Corporate & other: $39MM
- Stock Comp: $9MM
- Net interest expense: $276MM
- Income from unconsolidated affiliates & non-operating items from unconsolidated affiliates of ($24MM)
- $34MM of tax credits
- Minority interest of $67MM
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"Keep it simple. Tell the truth. People can smell the truth."
-Steve Wynn
If you're looking for Steve Jobs like thought leadership, product innovation, and job creation in this country, look no further than Steve Wynn. The guy gets what most of us who have built something from nothing get – he has vision.
If you and your spouse and/or business partners are really going to build something on your own in this good life, you have to, deep down in your bones, believe that people will side with the truth.
If what you deliver is better than what they currently use, both you and your customers win. If you believe that people are dumb – and that they're generally not smart enough to Smell The Truth, you've already lost. Politics might be a better career path.
Back to the Global Macro Grind…
Whatever central planners want to throw at us this morning, I say bring it. The only certainty I have in my life is that the sun will rise in the East and, God willing, I will be sitting right here at my post, preparing to play the game that's in front of me.
Yesterday, we got long again. We bought Apple (AAPL), Michael Kors (KORS), and Taiwan (EWT). We started the day with 7 LONGS, 8 SHORTS and closed the day with 11 LONGS and 3 SHORTS. Progress embraces change. So that's what we do.
I'm not saying that our Top 3 Global Macro Themes for Q4 2012 have changed this morning. In fact, I'll reiterate Theme #1 this morning (#EarningsSlowing) as that remains the market's most important risk. That risk, however, gets overbought and oversold, fast.
The most important driver of the market's daily beta isn't AAPL. It's the US Dollar. If you get that right, you tend to get a lot of other things right. Here's the refreshed immediate-term TRADE correlation between the US Dollar Index and stocks:
- EuroStoxx600 = -0.97
- MSCI World Index = -0.97
Those are wicked high correlations. So, you can either run around like a chicken with his 50-day Moving Monkey cut off on AAPL… or, you can just build a model that probability-weights where the US Dollar is immediate-term TRADE oversold/overbought, and then buy/sell AAPL (or whatever it is that you really like in the US or Global Stock market) using those signals as your headlights.
At the house of Marcus Goldman (when it was private and Partner Capital was on the line every day), they used to evaluate talent by asking themselves if their players could make money if locked in a "dark room" (by themselves) with only their process.
While they may have not put it that way precisely, I just did. Because I think that's a great way to think about risk management and what it is, precisely, that you do. When everything goes straight down like it did yesterday, what do you smell? Buy or sell?
As a risk management process, smelling buy/sell opportunities should go both ways. That's why I have had no problem changing my mind in the last 4 weeks. This isn't politics – in real life business, flip-flopping your opinion is critical to success.
In the immediate-term, in particular for the beta implied in US stocks, there are always positives and negatives to consider.
- USD immediate-term TRADE overbought at $80.16
- EUR/USD immediate-term TRADE oversold at $1.28
- SP500 Immediate-term TRADE oversold at 1434
- VIX immediate-term TRADE overbought at 16.74
- UST 10yr yield holding 1.64% support
- II Bull/Bear Survey compresses by 1,000 basis points to the bear side
- Equity Volume is as dead as a doornail, nowhere to be found on last week's bounce
- Tech (the market leader up until 3 weeks ago) is leading the decline
- S&P Sector Studies just saw 4 of 9 Sectors snap immediate-term TRADE support (XLK, XLI, XLY, XLB)
- KOSPI (South Korea) broke its immediate-term TRADE line again overnight
- Oil (Brent) is back above its TAIL risk line of $112.69/barrel
- Bernanke and Geithner are still gainfully employed
But, like any risk manager of any professional game, you have to make a call at some point on which way to lean. That's why I have built a model that removes most of the emotion that I used to have when making those decisions. An emotional Mucker fights too much.
I don't want to fight you. I want to help you. I don't always lean, but when I do, I go with the process that most often tells me the truth.
My immediate-term risk ranges for Gold, Oil (Brent), US Dollar, EUR/USD, UST 10yr Yield, AAPL, and the SP500 are now $1761-1792, $112.69-115.01, $79.69-80.16, $1.28-1.30, 1.64-1.76%, $630-642, and 1434-1464, respectively.
Best of luck out there today,
Keith R. McCullough
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MGM RESORTS INTERNATIONAL SUBSIDIARY MGM CHINA HOLDINGS ANNOUNCES AMENDMENT AND EXTENSION OF CREDIT FACILITY Newswire
- US$2BN facility consisting of a US$550MM equivalent term loan and US$1.45BN equivalent revolving credit facility. The new facility amend and restate the existing US$950MM credit facilities of MGM Grand Paradise, S.A., in their entirety, and extend the term of those facilities for a five year period to October 29, 2017.
- Pricing: HIBOR +margin (initially set for 6-month period of 2.5% per year, but thereafter the margin (1.75-2.5%) will be determined by MGM China's leverage ratio)
- Timing: Expected to close on or about October 29, 2012.
Visitor arrivals totaled 2,161,566 in September 2012, down slightly by 0.2% YoY. In September 2012, the average length of stay of visitors stood at 1.0 day, up by 0.1 day YoY. Visitors from Mainland China increased modestly by 0.8% YoY to 1,255,962, with those traveling to Macao under the Individual Visit Scheme rising by 11.4% to 500,395.
OCTOBER BREAKS MICE RECORDS FOR MARINA BAY SANDS TSNN News
Marina Bay Sands has had its busiest MICE month ever, with 13 tradeshows and several key conferences scheduled for the Singapore-based venue. The 13 tradeshows – approximately four times the monthly average since Sands Expo & Convention Center opened in April 2010 – will attract up to an estimated 46,000 delegates from industries as diverse as architecture, property, travel and hospitality as well as energy, according to venue officials.
The Marina Bay Sands has 120,000 square meters of MICE space across six expo halls and 250 meeting rooms.
MGM'S COTAI PROJECT TO NEED 8,000 STAFF: GRANT BOWIE Macau Business
MGM China expects to need about 8,000 employees for MGM Cotai. MGM China CEO Grant Bowie said he is confident the government will come up with policies to help all the Cotai projects in the pipeline to get enough manpower.
In preparation for RCL's 3Q earnings release on Thursday, we've put together the recent pertinent forward looking company commentary.
- "From 2012 through 2016, our berth capacity growth is less than 3%, and in fact, we don't have any ship deliveries in 2013 at all. But...we also can't stagnate. Given the long lead time for a new vessel, we're approaching the point where a new order could not be delivered until the middle to late 2016, by which time we will be enjoying much better profitability and much improved credit metrics."
- "Over the past couple of months, bookings have been running slightly ahead of this time last year from both Europe and North America. We have seen a shift to a closer in booking window in key European source markets, particularly those in Southern Europe. The booking window for North America and most other non-European countries is largely the same as it was at this time last year."
- "The fourth quarter is yet another story... as of the time of our last call, both load factors and APDs were running ahead of the same time last year. For the last few months bookings have been rather stable, and with only 28% of our inventory in the more volatile European itineraries we are hopeful to return to yield improvement in the fourth quarter."
- "Royal Caribbean International will decrease in capacity by 4% in 2013. Our growth trajectory will not resume until we take delivery of the first Sunshine ship in late 2014....the company overall will have 10% less capacity in Europe in 2013."
- [Q1 2013] "Our order book is solid at this point, our load factors are running ahead of a year ago."
- "For Q4 – we're ahead on both load factor and APD today."
- [Business booked] "For Q3, we're obviously behind where we would normally be at this time and for Q4, we're doing a little bit better than we would expect."
- "We've seen more contraction in the booking window in Southern Europe than we have in Northern."
- [Australia/New Zealand] "I don't regret having more capacity in a market that is getting very robust rates but those rates may be stable instead of going up."
- "For 2013, I'll give you the percentage of our capacity that is in Europe by quarter. It's 1% in Q1; it's 31% in Q2; it's 49% in Q3; 24% in Q4; and the overall is 27%, which is down from 30% this year. I think we are seeing in Europe a gradual healing I think from the incident in Italy."
- "Pullmantur...has gone from I think it was 87% Spanish customer-base to now closer to 40% Spanish customer-base as they shift demand to places like South America and Brazil."
- "The percentage of our customers on our European cruises in 2012 that are coming from North America will be a few percentage points higher than what they were last year or what we had originally expected them to be. It's not a seismic shift but it is slightly higher. Which means that notwithstanding whatever the impediments have been, we have in fact been able to get some additional help from North America with the various challenges that we face in Europe....I don't think that there has been a notable change in that trend."
- "What we see is that we are in fact able to drive the late business at good volumes. Clearly not at the rates we would like to be commanding for these products, but we are able to drive the business. So that is coming from actually all European source markets."
- "We've been a little bit more bearish on the Euro so we've not had quite as much exposure there. We tend to have a little natural hedge on our P&L for that so I think we've been less aggressive hedging our new-builds, and as a consequence if we were to hedge those today we'd have a benefit from when we originally entered the contracts, specifically for Sunshine."
- [Capex growth target] "We're now targeting more low to the top-end mid-single-digit growth within a given year."
- [Caribbean performance vs that in 2008] "I'd say bigger than we were in 2008... The number of guests that we're attracting on these cruises is higher and the yields are also commensurate with the 2008 levels at this point."
- "Volumes essentially will need to be higher on a year-over-year basis, the close-in volumes, because we have a larger capacity hole to fill in Europe because of the way that the market developed this year....and at this point, I can say that we are finding that."
- "Industry overall is making some changes which will probably result in Europe having a slightly less share of the overall cruise industry in 2013 than it had in 2012... I'm talking about something like about 33% this year to maybe somewhere between 31% and 32% next year. So again, it's not a seismic change. But it does reflect the fact that the industry and our company's assets are mobile, and over a two to three year period especially when we do our deployment cycles, we're able to make changes that are reflective of the market opportunities and challenges that we see."
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From Our 2013 Archives Measles Still Threatens Health SecurityFifty years after the approval of an extremely effective vaccine against measles, one of the world's most contagious diseases, the virus still poses a threat to domestic and global health security. On an average day, 430 children – 18 every hour – die of measles worldwide. In 2011, there were an estimated 158,000 measles deaths. In an article published on December 5 by JAMA Pediatrics, CDC's Mark J. Papania, M.D., M.P.H., and colleagues report that United States measles elimination, announced in 2000, has been sustained through 2011. Elimination is defined as absence of continuous disease transmission for greater than 12 months. Dr. Papania and colleagues warn, however, that international importation continues, and that American doctors should suspect measles in children with high fever and rash, "especially when associated with international travel or international visitors," and should report suspected cases to the local health department. Before the U.S. vaccination program started in 1963, measles was a year-round threat in this country. Nearly every child became infected; each year 450 to 500 people died each year, 48,000 were hospitalized, 7,000 had seizures, and about 1,000 suffered permanent brain damage or deafness. People infected abroad continue to spark outbreaks among pockets of unvaccinated people, including infants and young children. It is still a serious illness: 1 in 5 children with measles is hospitalized. Usually there are about 60 cases per year, but 2013 saw a spike in American communities – some 175 cases and counting – virtually all linked to people who brought the infection home after foreign travel. "A measles outbreak anywhere is a risk everywhere," said CDC Director Tom Frieden, M.D., M.P.H. "The steady arrival of measles in the United States is a constant reminder that deadly diseases are testing our health security every day. Someday, it won't be only measles at the international arrival gate; so, detecting diseases before they arrive is a wise investment in U.S. health security. Eliminating measles worldwide has benefits beyond the lives saved each year. Actions taken to stop measles can also help us stop other diseases in their tracks. CDC and its partners are building a global health security infrastructure that can be scaled up to deal with multiple emerging health threats. Currently, only 1 in 5 countries can rapidly detect, respond to, or prevent global health threats caused by emerging infections. Improvements overseas, such as strengthening surveillance and lab systems, training disease detectives, and building facilities to investigate disease outbreaks make the world -- and the United States -- more secure. "There may be a misconception that infectious diseases are over in the industrialized world. But in fact, infectious diseases continue to be, and will always be, with us. Global health and protecting our country go hand in hand," Dr. Frieden said. Today's health security threats come from at least five sources:
"With patterns of global travel and trade, disease can spread nearly anywhere within 24 hours," Dr. Frieden said. "That's why the ability to detect, fight, and prevent these diseases must be developed and strengthened overseas, and not just here in the United States." The threat from measles would be far greater were it not for the vaccine and the man who played a major role in creating it, Samuel L. Katz, M.D., emeritus professor of medicine at Duke University. Today, CDC is honoring Dr. Katz 50 years after his historic achievement. During the ceremony, global leaders in public health are highlighting the domestic importance of global health security, how far we have come in reducing the burden of measles, and the prospects for eliminating the disease worldwide. Measles, like smallpox, can be eliminated. However, measles is so contagious that the vast majority of a population must be vaccinated to prevent sustained outbreaks. Major strides already have been made. Since 2001, a global partnership that includes the CDC has vaccinated 1.1 billion children. Over the last decade, these vaccinations averted 10 million deaths – one fifth of all deaths prevented by modern medicine. "The challenge is not whether we shall see a world without measles, but when," Dr. Katz said. "No vaccine is the work of a single person, but no single person had more to do with the creation of the measles vaccine than Dr. Katz," said Alan Hinman, M.D., M.P.H., Director for Programs, Center for Vaccine Equity, Task Force for Global Health. "Although the measles virus had been isolated by others, it was Dr. Katz's painstaking work passing the virus from one culture to another that finally resulted in a safe form of the virus that could be used as a vaccine." Source: CDC, December 5, 2013 |


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November 3, 2009, 10:24 PM | #1 |
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old stevens safe to shoot?
A friend of mine has recently received his granddad's old single shot stevens shotgun, and while he has many other newer and better suited guns, was interested in whether it is safe to shoot for nostalgia sake- the only markings we found thus far, on a cursory exam, read stevens and a patent date of 1913- anyone know if this weapon is safe for modern shells?
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More information please. Which gauge is it? You may not even have the right shells. Note that shotguns made prior to about 1930 were not marked with the chamber length on the barrel. If it's a 12 gauge it's possibily chambered for 2 9/16" shells. I would take it to the gunshop and have them measure the chamber first before deciding to shoot it if not marked on the barrel next to the gauge.
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Can't tell on the net but a good gunsmith who can put it in his hands and eyeball it will be able to give you an informed answer. Personal experience is I shot my old Stevens yesterday with both #6 and slugs and did quite well with it. My guns mileage may differ so my experience has no relevance. You need to get it to a gunsmith.
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November 4, 2009, 12:49 AM | #4 |
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right, to rephrase a bit, we are trying to figure out if stevens was making modern shotguns that were ok for smokeless powder in 1913- this weapon is a bit newer than that at least, and basically we are trying to see whether it is worth it to even take it to a smith- no point in having it checked if its not made for modern rounds at all......
November 4, 2009, 01:40 AM | #5 |
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The patent date is only good for the new innovation. You're on the borderline for smokeless powder as the shotgun could have been made years later. If you haunt a gunshop like I do the 'smith will probably not charge you for info.
DO have it checked out!
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November 4, 2009, 02:41 AM | #6 |
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of course, I have strongly advised that, and I think he is smart enough to want to keep all his assorted bits...... anyhow none of the local shops are worth a darn for smiths- there is one in the area, who is on a six month back log, and consequently does nothing for free, if you ever catch him ( he lives an hour away, and just makes the rounds to pick up from the local shops...)..... beyond that all the shops here do no work on anything, stock no parts, have no answers.....
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You can easily tell if it was made after 1930 because the chamber length will be marked on the barrel. If it is so marked it is probably also good to go for smokeless powder and you can tell which shells you need. If it's not marked, it's anyone's guess and I personally wouldn't trust it until you can get it to a knowledgable gunsmith.
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November 5, 2009, 01:27 AM | #8 |
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cool- thanks and I will pass that along to him.....
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Does that mean that my Colt 1911 .45 with a 1913 patent date on the slide was made in 1908??? Duh. |
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Pssst, gyvel, read the line you quoted again.
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November 17, 2009, 03:44 PM | #11 |
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great old guns
my old stevans shoots great mine is 22lr 410 o/u i use that
for grouse on the ground or in flight,on the ground 22 flighted 410. and yes it leagel to shoot a grouse on the ground with 22 in oregon. mine was made in 1937ish it has a 3inch chamber mine was also my grandpa,s |
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If the gun locks tight and is in otherwise good shape, you should be good to go with reduced recoil 2 1/2" or 2 3/4" rounds.
There are also black powder rounds available http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=397621 |
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