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Monday, April 13, 2009
Mailbag: Moonkin Specs for 3.1
Lissanna over at Restokin.com already looked at this topic a little bit, but given the importance that dual specs will play for some people I wanted to give it my perspective. Here are the specs that I think will be most relevant in 3.1.
The Raid Spec: (link)
This is the spec I plan on using when Ulduar drops. It is a little different then my current build because I am a little paranoid about my mana regen with all of the nerfs and more challenging fights. However, I'm not giving up much for that extra regen. Improved Moonfire, is a very poor talent if if you have the Glyph of Moonfire, and I've never been big fan of Gale Winds for a raiding build. For Glyphs the standard three of Starfire, Moonfire, and Insect Swarm are still king.
The Solo/5man Spec: (link)
Your not going to do anything perfectly with this spec, but it is decent for doing several different things. If your plan is to play around with moonkin, then this is a good place to start. You can be affective in Instances and casual raids. Farming will be a little bit easier then with a resto build or my Moonkin raid build. For Glyphs I would go with the standard 3 of Starfire, Moonfire, and Insect Swarm.
The Solo/Farm Spec: (link)
This is a pure farming utility build. It will not preform well in raids or even 5 mans. Its built purely with grinding in mind. I've dropped most of the talents that improve DoTs or rely on DoTs. I've also picked up maximum Mana regen to reduce down time. For Glyphs I would go with Focus, Starfall, and Wrath. This makes your Starfall ability more powerful for AoE grinding and gives you some more pushback resistance on your Wrath spell for single target farming.
My Nooby PvP Spec: (link)
First off a quick reminder. I don't pvp regularly and I could be pointing you completely in the wrong direction here. Take this recommendation with a grain of salt. With this build I've tried to pick up a majority of the DPS talents and pick up a little more survivability. For glyphs I would suggest the Wrath Glyph again and possibly the Starfall glyph. For your final major glyph you may want to look at the Resto glyphs because it isn't unusual for Moonkins to heal in some PvP situations.
27 comments:
- Matthew said...
Thanks! Was hoping you'd post that :D
- April 14, 2009 at 1:57 AM
- Jormundgard said...
Aren't they nerfing mana regen outside the Five Second Rule harder than steady mana regen? Could be wrong about that, but that was my impression at least. If so, wouldn't it be better to put those points in dreamstate rather than Intensity?
- April 14, 2009 at 3:52 AM
"Improved Moonfire, is a very port talent if if you have the Glyph of Moonfire"
Wait what? Afaik, 2/2 Improved Moonfire helps the DoT ticks and you're doing it for 3/3 moonglow?
- April 14, 2009 at 3:53 AM
- Cdin said...
Blizzard is doing a lot of things that affect mana for us this patch.
They nerfed OFSR regen by about 40%, but they have buffed Intensity to compensate for that. There should be no change in the mana re gain/save from talents. This one affect moonkin directly but it will have a big impact on our healers making us less likely to use Innervate on ourselves if needed.
On top of that there are several changes that affect our mana directly.
First and foremost is the nerf to Improved Scorch. We get a lot of mana from crits. A 5% loss of crit is huge. Thats also not to mention the eventual loss of our 4T7 set bonus.
Second, Blessing of Kings and Mana Stream Totem no longer stack.
I feel like I'm forgetting some thing else, but mana is going to be tougher on everyone in Ulduar. I'm just taking more causious approach until I know what the damage is.
Imp MF is a pretty poor talent. Yes it does still increase the dot damage but due to the way it works with the Glyph its only about a 5% increase. When you consider that MF makes up just 10% of our damage your investing 2 talent points for a 0.5% DPS increase. Frankly, those points are expendable. However, if mana turns out to still not be an issue I will Put them back.
- April 14, 2009 at 8:05 AM
- Fedoldinn said...
And, while I was logging onto this account someone already replied. Yay Cdin!
The buff to Intensity should end up with roughly the same mana regen while casting as before (it's never going to be exact) while the OFSR regen is where it's really going to hurt as Cdin pointed out.
I'd still take Intensity over Dreamstate, but I haven't run the numbers to back this up.
On a related note, I don't know how the regen nerf can really hurt Resto Druids at the moment considering you should never be OFSR while raiding anyway. I always HoT the raid when I've got spare cycles from my assignment. The larger nerfs to Restoration mana are going to be from the Lifebloom change (and also a potential change in healing style here for the first time since TBC), and of course the nerf that Innervate will end up with. For this however, I'm still not sure it's going to hit them that hard considering pre-patch Innervate was worth more than 20k mana in a raid (you could go from empty to full while still healing easily). Getting half a mana bar back and having to pop a mana potion isn't that bad.
As stated, the loss of crit is going to affect our mana. I'm not concerned about Wisdom and the Mana totem not stacking, but we'll have to see how it plays out.
- April 14, 2009 at 8:22 AM
- Jormundgard said...
At the moment, I get more MP5 from the first point of dreamstate than from a point of Intensity. But I get more from Intensity than subsequent points in Dreamstate, since the first point is 4% and the latter are 3%.
If Intensity's contribution is unchanged then I'll probably stick with that. But of course, since Dreamstate scales with Int (i.e. Gear) I'd imagine it will overtake Intensity eventually.
In any case, it's tiny differences. I was thinking of moving points back to Moonglow, and I was glad to see you decided to do so.
- April 14, 2009 at 9:06 AM
- Cdin said...
Are you sure you get more Mp5 from Dreamstate then Intensity?
Its possible because I've seen some gear builds where that is correct, but most of the time I find that people are forgetting about Raid buffs.
If you look at my unbuffed armory it looks like Dreamstate would be better, However, your spirit increases a lot more percentage wise with raid buffs then your Int does. For most people Intensity is better when fully raid buffed.
Also, I think Intensity will remain the bigger regen talent given the flood of Spirit we will be seeing from Ulduar gear.
- April 14, 2009 at 9:30 AM
- Macbook said...
For PvP, I usually take Gale Winds.
Typhoon will be playing a larger part in Moonkin PvP in 3.1, with both the added knockback and 3 second daze affect, so added damage to Typhoon is crucial. I don't pick up any mana regen talents in my PvP spec (because its usually for Arena's only).
Imp MoTW is still worthwhile to pickup for Arena, because I am the only druid on any of my arena teams. Plus, while the 2% attributes buff in 3.1 is minimal, it still helps.
Subtlety is still up for grabs; I haven't decided whether or not to take it for arena.
Nice post,
- April 14, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Balance Mana changes
- Less spell critical strike from spell critical debuff.
- BoW and mana totem don't stack
- Weaker Innervate
+ 2% Stats from Imotw
That said I think every raid should have a balance druid with 3/3 brambles since thorns became amazing in the patch.
I'm using the same spec Graylo has, with 2 points from intensity and 1 from Imp Ins. Swarm moved into 3/3 Brambles. I think moonglow and Imotw should keep my mana afloat.
- Antonetz
- April 14, 2009 at 11:42 AM
- Daez said...
Hmmm, thanks Gray! Looks like raid specs wont be changing much at least. Though I'll probably keep that last point in intensity over starfall.
Anyway, good post, good info, as usual! And thanks!
- April 14, 2009 at 12:02 PM
- Allen said...
One question about your farm spec, why exclude Typhoon? Any instant damage is a boon when leveling/rep grinding it seems to me.
Also, why include Balance of Power? If you're leveling/grinding, then you wouldn't be attacking stuff higher than your level in any case, so hit rating is useless, right?
I'm sure I'm missing something here. Haven't even hit 80 yet.
- April 14, 2009 at 12:17 PM
- Sylly said...
this is so helpful! I'm dual speccing tonight, have a full laser chicken set with epics, gems, enchants, glyphs ready to go, but wasn't positive about some of the speccing choices I was thinking about. great post!!
- April 14, 2009 at 1:02 PM
- Cdin said...
I haven't done any math on it but I have a hard time believing that Brambles would be better then Imp IS. I could be wrong though.
I don't like typhoon for anything having to do with PvE. I don't like having to aim it. I don't like that it travels through the mobs and potentually will pull additional ones. I don't like a 12 second cooldown. The only reason I might pick up Typhoon in PvE is as an Oh crap button if I need to get a way quickly, but that's just me.
Regarding Balance of Power:
You only have a 95% chance to hit mobs that are the same level as you, so if your fighting level appropriate mobs then the 4% hit comes in handy.
- April 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM
- Lissanna said...
@ Allen - For the solo/farm build, you can easily take a point out of Nature's Focus and put it anywhere you want (I really don't even know why you'd need nature's focus for a farming spec, anyway). So, if you wanted typhoon for a farming spec, you could pull it out from there without any negative consequences.
- April 14, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Thanks for the raid spec :) I'm going to do exactly just that. I'll worry bout my pvp spec later :P
- April 14, 2009 at 6:53 PM
I too don't think that brambles is higher dps than IS. From what I can tell IS will contribute roughly .8% dps per point. I don't see brambles going that high.
But I think a full brambles druid will be a great utility buff for a raid with the buff to thorns.
- April 14, 2009 at 7:38 PM
- Jormundgard said...
I'm working out relative mp5 (note: for old intensity stats. I'm assuming the new formula balances out the change in the new intensity). Base formula:
∆Mp5 = 5*0.0055*sqrt(int)*spi
So (in the old system) a point of intensity is equal to
∆Mp5 = 0.5*0.0055*sqrt(int)*spi
while a point of dreamstate is simple:
∆Mp5 = 0.04*int
Without raid buffs, assuming typical int = 1000 and spi = 400 ("casual" buffs), you get intensity at about 35 mp5, while dreamstate is 40 mp5 for the first point.
With buffs, I'll run off your armory values of int = 939, spi = 358.
AI = +60 int, MOTW = +58 int, +47 spi, Prayer of Spirit = +80 spi, Kings = +104 int, +48 spi
[MOTW = +37 + 2% of base+static buffs, Kings = 10% base+static buffs]
∆Mp5 (intensity) = 50 mp5
∆Mp5 (dreamstate) = 46 mp5
This is very rough and fast, but looks like intensity wins out with full buffs. Minus prayer of spirit, I think dreamstate might win.
But, given what you said, that most future gear will be loaded with spirit, I think you're right, that even without prayer of spirit intensity will win out.
- April 14, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Brambles is not higher dps for you, but it is for your tanks.
I.e. 2300sp*0.07=161
161+73= 234 dmg from thorns
with brambles its 410dmg it's high increase.
I'll drop imp IS prob if tanks in my guild want. Also 15% more dmg of the treants... considering that treants now have aoe dmg reducction... i guess is dmg increase if treants survive all the 45 secs
- April 15, 2009 at 4:00 AM
- pasqoo said...
Improved Moonfire is important cause it can procs Nature's Grace...nothing else :p
- April 15, 2009 at 5:54 AM
- Andreas said...
If you brambled Thorns does 420 (makes the math easier then with 410), each point in brambles contributes 60point of damange (420/7). if your avrage mob have a swing time around 3s that gives you 20Dps, per mob hitting somone with Thorns. Depending on your avrage DPS that mean somewhere betweeen 0.5-1% of your DPS (if your DPS is 2k-4k) per point in brables and per mob hitting someone with it.
I'm not sure how most raid senarious will look like in Ulduar, but in any situation with trash or where there are more then 2 mobbs aktive that is actually starting to look pretty nice.
- April 15, 2009 at 10:34 AM
- Cdin said...
I went with Natures Focus for the wrath pushback resistance. Its a bit of a hold over when Moonkin AoE was worse but I think it could still be useful in WotLK.
I realize that it is an dps increase for the tanks but there are still lots of questions about its affectiveness, since there is a lot we don't know about Ulduar. I will say this, If it turns out that mana still isn't a big concern then I will pull a couple of points form mana regen and put them here.
- April 15, 2009 at 11:12 AM
- Andreas said...
Yes one thing I didn't take into account is ofcourse the tanks avoidance, that will reduce the DPS from thors propotinally.
But any encounters with alot of adds that some offtank will pick up they will have substantionalll impact on DPS.
With some avoidance taken into acount thors, with brambels, will do around 100DPS per mob, wich is quite impressive for a passive buff.
- April 15, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Graylo, I have a quick question that I am sure was covered in many of the things I've already read while preparing for dual specs, but I'm still somwhat unclear on, and I apologize in advance if you've got this somewhere completely obvious that I've missed.
One thing in the raid rotation that I was a little confused about is exactly when I am supposed to refresh my DoTs. I start my rotation with FF -> MF -> IS -> W (eclipse proc) -> SF (until eclipse CD) -> MF -> IS ->etc. I'm not sure if that's the correct time to refresh those? I mean, my IS is long gone by the time I refresh it. Is it OK to let it drop off like that? I'm fairly certain that my MF is staying refreshed via my starfires, or am I on crack? I think it's a glyph I've gotten that does that...
Thank you for all of your great work!
- April 15, 2009 at 5:20 PM
- StaggerLee said...
Thanks for yet another useful post Graylo.
I've been balance ever since I left Darnassus to get on the boat.
However, I went Resto a month or so ago, just to have some practice when dual-specs hit.. uhm.. so yeah.. that's fun! :)
As a result Balance is now gonna be the off-spec for me.
Anyway, the 5-man/grinding spec is where I'm, gonna end up, but I want to take a point out of Celestial Focus and put it into Dreamstate, to keep mana-regen as high as possible. I have a ffeling it is a bad idea, but I can not see why ...
- April 16, 2009 at 5:19 AM
- Daniel said...
On the PvP build... I PvP pretty avidly, and would not want to PvP any moonkin build without 12 (and no more then 12 Points in feral). Thats 5 in ferocity (the rank one choices are meh but this will open up a little veratility), 3 in Feral Instinct (the ability to position yourself unseen is far more important in PvP, the enemies are more intelligent, but they don't reset just because they cant reach you), 2 Points in thick hide (becuase they gotta go somewhere to get to the next tier, and more armor never hurts), and finally 2 points in feral swiftness. The speed increase is critical in so many situations in bg's from flag running to stealthing quickly into atack positions (like getting onto ridges to hit the entire invading force at once with aoe in AV). You loose a little boom somewhere to get these 12 points... for example my balance tree stops with typhoon, gale winds, and force of nature (these are all musts for PvP, earth and moon is not, starfall would be nice but I do without) but I would not want to play BG's without improved stealth and speed.
- April 16, 2009 at 6:47 AM
after raiding ulduar the past few night and especially the big robot douche, which is at its core a DPS race, i'm not sure either how much mana regen i'll need. I specced out of it and 1 point into genesis 2 into imp moonfire and liked it. by the end of the fight i did end up using a pot and my innervate but i might change it for tonight's raid and put some into moonglow instead. honestly though i feel our mana regen is about the same as it was. i'm not noticing myself burning mana any faster then usual. thanks for the good posts though.
Datta- Chrommaggus
- April 16, 2009 at 3:44 PM
- Eyecare said...
I kept Typhoon because I do both PvE as well as limited PvP (normally just WG unless I'm bored stiff). I have yet to aggro unintended targets with Typhoon or to cause the tank to lose his aggro. Its damage output, especially when used against multiple targets, makes it a winner for me but each to their own.
- April 20, 2009 at 3:30 PM


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Makeovers for Wuthering Heights and Jane Eyre.
This august Bloomsbury in the UK is coming out with new editions of Wuthering Heights and Jane Eyre marketted to young readers:
Emma Matthewson, deputy editorial director at Bloomsbury, also hopes that using specially-commissioned introductions will help to attract teenage readers. In August Bloomsbury will be launching a batch of classic titles - Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights, Frankenstein, David Copperfield and, yes, Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice - in editions aimed at 14- to 16-year-olds. "When you had to read a classic for school, often the only available edition had a smudgy painting on the cover. It got me thinking that it would be so fantastic to have a version of a classic that looked amazing and pickupable and had lots of extras in it. Our new classics have introductions by authors that teenagers will be familiar with - it's almost like having an author you really respect, whether it's Philip Reeve or Meg Cabot, picking up the phone and saying: 'Hey, you've got to read this book!'" The books will have gossipy, newspaper-like end sections to provide further information and historical context.
Wuthering Heights is introduced by Jennifer Donnelly, and Jane Eyre is introduced by Celia Rees. Here also are samples of their catalogue copy:
Orphaned as a young girl, Jane Eyre is brought up by her cruel and uncaring aunt. It is a gloomy start, but when Jane becomes governess to the dark and shadowy Mr Rochester, her life will never quite be the same again. So begins one of the greatest love stories of all time — a tale of grim secrets, passionate love and the power of the human spirit.
After her parents die, Cathy and Heathcliff grow up wild and free on the Yorkshire Moors and despite the continued bad feeling between Cathy's brother, Hindley, and Heathcliff they're happy - until Cathy meets Edgar Linton, the son of a wealthy neighbour. It is Catherine's eventual betrayal of Heathcliff which causes him to seek a violent revenge in this moving and intense masterpiece.
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Friday, June 16, 2006
Makeovers for Wuthering Heights and Jane Eyre.
16 comments:
I'm fifteen and I wouldn't be caught dead reading a book with a cover like that. Really, I think I'd prefer the "smudgy painting" edition. *laughs*
- 8:26 p.m.
- Brontëana said...
I first read JE when I was 14, and all I had back in those days (...1996?) was the library-discard-dark-green-duct-tape edition :)
- 8:56 p.m.
- Brontëana said...
I wasn't really bothered by them at first, because they look strikingly similar to the covers for Jasper Fforde's Thursday Next series, which- as far as I know- are not considered 'young adult' reading. The cover of The Eyre Affair looks very similar to this cover for Jane Eyre- It's red, and has light blue and white lettering (and... a dodo bird on a scooter... *ahem*)
But... they seem more directed to younger people, now that I look at them again. More like 10 or so. Most people seem to read JE when they are 10 so that's good.
(btw, you should check out The Eyre Affair. It's a really fun silly read, although there could be more Jane and Mr Rochester in it ;)
- 12:37 p.m.
- mysticgypsy said...
hmm perhaps the cover could target readers younger than 14-15 yr olds? I think the latter group might find them a tad embarassing..
I read an abridged version of Jane Eyre when I was about 11 and all I remember of that reading is young Jane and Bertha. It was when I re-read it when I was about 16 that I really got into the novel. And I have always liked those "sumdgy paintings"
- 12:43 p.m.
- Brontëana said...
My first copy of Wuthering Heights had a 'smudgy painting' (humph. In fact, I paint smudgy paintings and don't see why they need to be blamed for low interest in the classics ;). It didn't really have an effect on whether or not I read the book. It was of a really craggy bit of moorland, and I think there was a house and a tree...
I can't shake the idea that their JE is influenced by the Eyre Affair. I have my copy beside me, and the colours are as close to exactly the same as can be. The title is in the light blue, the author's name in white.
- 1:08 p.m.
- pennyforyourdreams said...
I never cared what the cover looked like when I was deciding what to read and to be honest with you, I wouldn't be attracted to the new covers now, even though I'm not a teenager and they're not aimed at me.
Loud colours do not neccessarily attract. But I do like the idea of "celebrity" endorsement, if Meg Cabot can be said to be a celebrity, they are the kind of things that young teenagers respond to, although if it were Britney Spears (I hope she can read - I know I'm bitter and twisted), I know a lot more girls would be picking up the book. If you don't read, Meg Cabot or Jennifer Connelly aren't going to mean anything to you.
'kay, I'll be quiet now, and if you read "The Well of Lost Plots" also by Jasper Fforde, there's a tiny appearance by Rochester in the court room scene. I like the character of Rochester in those books.
- 1:12 p.m.
Yes, the resemblance to the original Thursday Next covers is rather striking (I love those books - a family friend introduced me to them as soon as I'd finished Jane Eyre for the first time). Then again, my copy of The Eyre Affair looks like this, so I wouldn't be able to say anything about whether or not it's embarrassing to read brightly covered books in public. :)
- 5:57 p.m.
i think they look cute. hehe. but not really my sort of versions to pick. still, who knows, maybe it works for the kids.
my copies of both books have paintings up front. :) though the wuthering heights is much older 'cause it came from my mom.
- 4:48 a.m.
- Brontëana said...
to pennyforyourdreams:
Agreed. I still don't care all that much. There is only one thing which turns me off from buying a book- the covers in which the author's name is larger than the title of the book itself! You know the ones I mean, I think- the cover art consists of BIG TITLE HERE with EVEN BIGGER AUTHOR'S NAME HERE! and maybe a tiny horse or something that has nothing at all to do with the book tucked into a corner ;)
The celebrity endoursement is a bit interesting and, based on my high school classmates, might get a few more readers.
Oh, I know- I only wish that scene were longer! (I like the autograph bit! Of course they would all want his autograph!) I was a little annoyed that they kept teasing us with him in 'Lost in a Good Book' but we don't see him until 'Well of Lost Plots.' Did you catch the Gondal reference in one of the books? ^_^
- 1:39 p.m.
- Brontëana said...
to anonymous:
I wish Jasper Fforde would continue the series. I think the idea is simply brilliant and so much fun! One of my professors was fond of saying 'we need to be literary detectives!' so I brought in The Eyre Affair. She was amused. :)
I have the British editions which is all that are sold in Canada. They are all very brightly coloured, except for the last one which is brown and orange I think?
I've never felt ashamed of them.
- 1:56 p.m.
- Brontëana said...
The JE cover is cute, but the Wuthering Heights one reminds me of Harry Potter, and that cannot be a good thing. ;)
- 2:15 p.m.
- pennyforyourdreams said...
Hi Bronteana:
Any book that has the authors name larger than the title generally makes me turn my nose up a bit and make me think of "blockbuster" books, like "Lace". I also don't like those Mills and Boon novels, with a scantily clad female quivering in the arms of a hunky man. Urrgh. Not that I've ever read one, except that they used to publish scientific textbooks and my old chemistry teacher let me borrow one. Off topic: he once set my hair on fire.
I heard that Jasper Fforde is only "resting" Thursday Next and that like James Bond, she will return. I think it's a good idea to have a wee break, that way the idea will seem fresher for longer.
And I didn't get the Gondal reference in the books! Doh! I shall have to re-read; I have met Jasper Fforde at a book signing and he does seem a nice guy.
And I (honestly) live in Reading.
- 2:51 p.m.
- Brontëana said...
Oh, pennyforyourdreams, you don't know what fun it is to read the cover copy of those books! A few weeks ago, a well-meaning person donated an entire bookshelf full of 'classics' to my collection. There was a book on turtle care, and a centenial view of Canada- those were interesting. The rest were genuine 1970s Harlequin romances. And the bad writing was so exquisitely funny. I couldn't have read on if I wanted to- I was laughing too hard.
Another amusing pastime of mine is to read articles online from AskMen, a site giving really bad advice to men particularly about relationships (I have warned all of my friends of the masculine persuation to not listen to anything on that site!). One of their pieces of advice was to sneak into the girlfriend's bedroom and steal her romance novels ('she will have them- they all do!') and perform a little test on it, to discover their girl's particular fantasy. I do NOT have romance novels, so the closest thing is, in fact, Jane Eyre. When I performed the test on my copy, and following their advice, should any of my male friends suddenly hurl himself down the stairs shouting 'what the deuce is to do now?!' I know that he has tender feeling for me. :D
That sounds good to me too. I tried finding something definative on http://thursdaynext.com but I had no luck.
I can't remember which book it is in, but I have a feeling that it was in 'Lost in a Good Book.' If you would like a hint, read on...
It's via the footnoterphone. :)
- 3:15 p.m.
- pennyforyourdreams said...
Oh, the footnoterphone I remember now! Gah, me and my memory. I once read the same Agatha Christie novel three times and I didn't remember the killer for two of those readings! I still can't remember the title of the book, I just have a vague feeling that stockings were the key to the mystery, oh well.
I don't have any "romance novels" either, so any male admirers would be stuck with "Cathy!" (which isn't my name) or reading out tracts from my large collection of textbooks. Mm, romantic.
Askmen.com is funny:)
- 3:34 p.m.
- Brontëana said...
to pennyforyourdreams:
Or he might smash his head against a tree, or strangle your dog. o_O No, no, not a very good plan at all!
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Or dig up his ex-girlfriend.
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Do Songwriters Deserve A Cut Of Yahoo Search Revenue?
from the highway-robbery dept
The judge seems to consider what AOL and Yahoo do somewhat equivalent to the way TV stations use music, and refers back to the rate agreements set up with various TV networks, despite vast differences in the way these websites operate. It suggests a misunderstanding between the difference between broadcast and interactive content. But what's really troublesome, is when you look at the overall formula for how the royalties are set. It clearly overvalues the music, and undervalues just about every other part of these three companies' businesses. The formula is, basically, the total revenue made by any business unit (minus a few specific costs) multiplied by a bizarre fraction (called the music-adjustment fraction): total number of hours that music is streamed, divided by total number of hours used on the website. Then, you take the result of that and multiply it by the "rate fee" of 2.5%.
This formula is applied to revenue coming in from any business unit that is considered to have used music. This includes things like Yahoo's search engine. That's because Yahoo (smartly, from a consumer perspective) allowed users who searched on a musician or song to stream that song directly from the search results. But, in making that so user friendly, the company has now opened up its cash cow search revenue to this formula, despite the fact that it's incredibly difficult to think that music has anything to do with nearly all of the revenue Yahoo makes from this site. Similarly, RealNetworks has almost its entire consumer division revenue included in this formula, despite the fact that it makes a ton of revenue from its gaming business. Wondering why RealNetworks decided to spin off the gaming business a week after this decision was announced? Maybe because a rate court judge just chopped off a huge chunk of revenue from it and handed it over to songwriters who have nothing to do with these games.
As for the formula itself, it makes little sense. The "music-adjustment fraction" is a totally meaningless number. The number of hours music is streamed is hardly an indicator of how much of a site's revenue is actually music based. If I have music streaming in the background all day, but am still using the site for other purposes, it seems ridiculous to include all of that as music-based revenue. The denominator of the fraction is "total number of hours on the website" which is also a totally meaningless and unrelated number. Even worse, since the court notes that none of these sites actually track that information, the judge ruled that everyone should just use Comscore's numbers instead -- the same Comscore that most people admit is not particularly accurate. So, basically, you're dividing a meaningless number by an even more meaningless number and multiplying it by the total revenue of units who often have very little to do with music, and then taking 2.5% of that. If anything, this ruling should make any site think twice before including any streaming audio from any ASCAP-affiliated songwriters.


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4 February 2013
Vernalis plc announced today that it has received a $1.5 million milestone payment under its drug discovery collaboration with Genentech, a member of the Roche Group (SIX: RO, ROG: OTCQX: RHHBY).
The collaboration, which commenced in January 2012 aims to discover novel small molecules against an undisclosed target utilising Vernalis' fragment and structure-based drug discovery platform. The financial terms of this collaboration were not disclosed.
Ian Garland, CEO of Vernalis, commented: "We are delighted to have achieved this success milestone under our collaboration with Genentech which further endorses the quality of our Research group's work."
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About Genentech
Founded more than 30 years ago, Genentech is a leading biotechnology company that discovers, develops, manufactures and commercializes medicines to treat patients with serious or life-threatening medical conditions. The company, a member of the Roche Group, has headquarters in South San Francisco, California. For additional information about the company, please visit http://www.gene.com.
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Vernalis is a revenue generating development stage pharmaceutical company with significant expertise in drug development. The Group has one marketed product, frovatriptan for the acute treatment of migraine, an exclusive licensing agreement to develop and commercialise multiple novel products focussed on the US prescription cough/cold market as well as seven programmes in its NCE development pipeline. Vernalis has significant expertise in fragment and structure based drug discovery which it leverages to enter into collaborations with larger pharmaceutical companies. The Company's technologies, capabilities and products are endorsed by collaborations with Endo, Genentech, Lundbeck, Menarini, Novartis, Servier and Tris.
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This news release may contain forward-looking statements that reflect the Company's current expectations regarding future events including the clinical development and regulatory clearance of the Company's products, the Company's ability to find partners for the development and commercialisation of its products, as well as the Company's future capital raising activities. Forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties. Actual events could differ materially from those projected herein and depend on a number of factors including the success of the Company's research strategies, the applicability of the discoveries made therein, the successful and timely completion of clinical studies, the uncertainties related to the regulatory process, the ability of the Company to identify and agree beneficial terms with suitable partners for the commercialisation and/or development of its products, as well as the achievement of expected synergies from such transactions, the acceptance of frovatriptan and other products by consumers and medical professionals, the successful integration of completed mergers and acquisitions and achievement of expected synergies from such transactions, and the ability of the Company to identify and consummate suitable strategic and business combination transactions.


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Many parents plop their kids in front of the TV at night to quiet their active bodies before bed. But it turns out this pre-bedtime ritual might actually be making it harder for them to fall asleep. A New Zealand study, published in Pediatrics, adds to the existing evidence that the more television children watch in the evening, the less sleep they get.
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Union Home Secretary R. K. Singh on Saturday confirmed the hanging of Afzal Guru.
Addressing media in the national capital, Singh said that Guru was hanged at 8 a.m. on Saturday morning in Delhi's Tihar Jail.
"He was hanged at 8 o' clock this morning. The president rejected his petition on February 3," said the Union Home Secretary, adding: "The law and justice is taking its course."
Speaking to a news channel, the Home Secretary said: "The decision on Afzal Guru's body will be taken as per the jail manual. Afzal Guru will be buried with full religious rites inside the jail. We are not apprehending any law and order problem in Kashmir. The Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister was kept in the loop."
He further said: "We did an investigation. As soon as the President rejected his petition, further steps according to the jail manual were taken up. I repeat myself; it was law taking its course. It's a rule of the law. We don't announce our steps word by word. The J and K Police has taken some security measures," Singh said.
In the wake of his hanging, curfew has been imposed in several areas of Jammu and Kashmir in anticipation of protests. The army is on high-alert in the state.
Guru was given the death sentence by the Supreme Court in 2004. His hanging was earlier scheduled for October 2006, but was suspended or stayed after his wife had filed a mercy petition on his behalf.
In December 2001, five heavily-armed terrorists drove into the Parliament complex and opened fire. Nine people were killed, most of them security personnel. All five terrorists were killed.
At that time, proceedings in Parliament was adjourned even as several lawmakers were inside. A few days later, Guru was arrested on the charge that he had masterminded the terror strike.
The main opposition BJP has repeatedly questioned the delay in Guru's execution, and its leaders last questioned the government in Parliament on the 11th anniversary of the attack (December 13, 2012).
Guru's execution comes almost three months after Pakistani terrorist Ajmal Kasab was hanged in Pune's Yeravada Jail for his role in the terror strikes in Mumbai between November 26 and 29, 2008.
Guru hailed from Sopore in Kashmir.
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
Reply #50 on:
February 05, 2012, 12:41:10 PM »
My work life has been keeping me pretty busy of late, so shop time is hard to come by.
This afternoon I drilled a 2.5mm hole through the center of the engine top:
That was tapped M3 for the air inlet.
I next milled out the excess metal that was still left on the bottom of the engine:
The bottom mounting holes were not tapped yet, so I also tapped those M3, and gave the block a final flat-lap on both sides. That pretty much completes the engine block part of the build.
Next I started on the vane; I milled a section of 4.8mmx12 brass flat bar down width of 9.65mm - that's the same thickness as the engine block. I didn't quite get it, and ended up at 9.7mm. I wanted the vane 0.01mm thinner than the engine block, so I sat down and flat-lapped it down to 9.64mm on some 600 grit paper, frequently checking with a micrometer that I was keeping it parallel and not lapping one end down more than the other. Quite a bit of manual work, but it turned out well in the end:
Next I faced the one end square, cut it of just over length (the bit of flat bar was more than twice too long), and then squared up the other end as well. The vane top needs a slot where a seal with a small spring will be installed, so I started cutting that with a 2mm cutter. after about the 7th pass, a bit of a disaster; just a second of inattention and I increased the rate of feed just too much:
Oh well, that poor end mill has been doing duty for more than six months now, in everything from plastic to a bit in stainless; it was getting a bit blunt. So I fetched a new one from my stock and finished the job. There's only one left now, so it's time I fired off an order to RichOn - I need some other cutters as well...
Back when I started this project, I mentioned the fact that Elmer's plans has a measurement error with the mortise and tenon joint. I was still undecided whether I was going to use this method for joining the vane to the main shaft.
This joint is most likely the weakest link in the engine, and would see quite a bit of torque transferred through it, so just soft-soldering the vane to the shaft without some form of additional strengthening would very likely lead to failure.
Many moons ago, John Bogs suggested that silver soldering the joint would be his way to do it - I agree, but then there's one teeny little problem for me; this joint has to be done ultra-neat as any excess would be very difficult to clean up, and that's something I'm still having problems with when silver soldering.
So it was either the mortise and tenon for me, or I had to find another solution. I did the latter, and decided that three pieces of 1.5mm piano wire running between the shaft and vane would be just as strong - if not stronger than - a mortise and tenon made from brass. The main loading on the joint is radially, and the wire would cope well with that - while loctite would be more than adequate to keep things from coming apart.
I drilled three 1.5mm holes spaced 2.5mm apart in the bottom of the vane:
Next I cut a section of 6mm silver steel to length (
I restocked earlier this week) and cleaned it up on the lathe. Then I drilled matching 1.5mm holes in it - offset to compensate for the one thicker cylinder cover so that the ends sticking out from the engine would be equal:
I used the Dremel with a cut-off wheel to slice off three sections of 1.5mm music wire, and pressed those into the vane with some loctite, and with more dabs of loctite, pressed the lot into the shaft. The middle hole on the shaft had wandered a tiny bit, but this actually helped things; I had to use the mill vise to press it together the last bit - and the vise aided in getting everything nice and square. It won't come apart easily, but if needed, I can get it apart again with some heat. Some of the excess loctite running between the two pieces also help to make the seal air tight:
A quick assembly, and things are looking good; some oil smeared on the vane gets distributed evenly everywhere on both the rear and front covers, and there's no binding
, Arnold
Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
Reply #51 on:
February 05, 2012, 03:41:35 PM »
Lookin Great Arnold
Looks like it will be a runner soon
PS those parts look friggin small
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
Reply #52 on:
February 05, 2012, 05:18:59 PM »
Like Rob said friggin small
Beautifully proportioned though
Once i get below m6 i start to worry
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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February 06, 2012, 04:00:58 AM »
I've been sitting here, scratchin' me head for the past few weeks. Wondering what all those unfamiliar parts would add up to.
I've got it!! I think.....
project, and well shown.
David D
Still drilling holes... Sometimes, in the right place!
Still modifying bits of metal... Occasionally, making an improvement!
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
Reply #54 on:
February 06, 2012, 09:32:59 AM »
Coming along just dandy
Well shown as usual.
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
Reply #55 on:
February 11, 2012, 02:05:07 PM »
Rob, thanks mate. I'm a wee bit slow on this one though
- still a lot left to do.
Thanks John
it might be a tad small; there's some 10BA coming up soon as well... M6 is HUGE
(Rob very kindly sent me the 10BA taps and a die 2 years ago - must have been too small for him too...
- Rob, Thanks mate
- just joking! )
Cheers David. Sorry for puzzling you
- but I'm glad you're getting it. I hope when I'm done with this one, it should be easy for anybody to understand
Thanks very much Dave
Got to the rotary valve today. The plans for the valve itself is a separate chapter in Elmer's book.
I went about making it quite differently from the way Elmer describes - in fact, I did not do a single bit of marking out...
As I'd made slight dimensional changes to the engine block in the valve area to suit my available reamers, I had to re-calculate some of the dimensions of the valve. Most importantly, it's slightly bigger at a close 10mm fit compared to the 3/8" (9.53mm) the plans call for. This meant that some of the porting cut-outs had to be slightly deeper than those shown on the plans - all by 0.235mm ~ 0.24mm. The 1/8" shaft section was re-sized to a running fit for 3mm.
First I turned down a bit of 1/2" brass rod. An 8mm long section 2.98 mm thick to match the 3mm reamed hole in the the back engine cover and the next section 9.99mm thick for a close fit in the reamed 10mm hole the engine top:
I got a nice smooth finish just turning to size, so no lapping needed here.
Off to the mill with the dividing head mounted in the vise, and the edge finder and hand-wheel zero-rings used to locate things - from this point, all operations were done according to mill dial readings:
The valve needs a 1.6mm hole drilled accurately through it's center, but on one side, the hole is connected to a 2.4mm slot. Rather than have the drill bit wandering on a curved surface, I first milled the slot, and then drilled the hole - much easier this way:
Another small change to Elmer's design follows - this time to correct a booboo that crept in when I drilled the port holes in the engine top; the drill wandered a bit on both holes, and they are pretty far off axially compared to the valve center line. The original valve design uses just the 1.6mm through-hole to supply air to the ports in the engine top - meaning everything have to align pretty darn accurately, and I don't have that... So to compensate, I milled a short slot 1.6mm deep axially on the other side of the workpiece (rotated 180
since the last operation):
After milling the slot in the photo above with a 1.5mm cutter, I followed it with a 2mm cutter - which might be a mistake... I'll see if this is OK later.
The exhaust cut-outs followed - taking care to cut them both from the correct side; one had to be done feeding in on Y, and the other feeding out on Y:
Back to the lathe, and parting off - an action photo for a change:
The finished valve:
Well... not quite. Seeing as I have this one transparent engine cover, and one of the most difficult things to explain to people when they're looking at my little engines is always how and where the air or steam goes inside the invisible bits of the engine, I decided to add a cross-section of the valve cut-outs on the "visible" face of the valve. I just free-hand milled this lot with a 1.5mm cutter 0.1mm deep:
The 1.6mm drill bit sticking through there is what I used to estimate level and orientation when I clamped up the workpiece
With the milled out bits on the valve face coloured in with a permanent pen, it'll look like this in the engine top:
, Arnold
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Camano Island WA
Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
Reply #56 on:
February 11, 2012, 03:34:04 PM »
Them pieces are getting kinda small, with my handful of thumbs, heh heh heh
Looking good
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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February 11, 2012, 07:40:17 PM »
Greetings / Benni
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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February 12, 2012, 12:07:25 PM »
Thanks Robert & Benni
Today's little bit, the eccentric. It's not a difficult part to make at all - in fact all the difficult bits of the engine are now done - but once again I made a slight change to it.
If made as per plans, the eccentric is bolted to the flywheel, and when the engine is assembled, the eccentric ring is retained between the flywheel and the bearing column.
I don't want the eccentric ring to touch the bearing column when the engine is done, simply because the column will be painted, and the ring will either rub off the paint, or the paint will add quite a bit of friction while running - or both.
So I decided to add a step to the eccentric and eccentric ring to prevent that. The ring will still run against the flywheel on one side, but that's OK, as the flywheel won't be painted.
I'm also going to make the eccentric ring a split assembly rather than one piece. This is mostly for ease of assembly; this engine will be finicky to assemble when done, so I'd rather do a bit of extra work up front. It will also add some visual appeal - I hope.
Started turning up the eccentric - a bit of 20mm silver steel turned down to 17.5mm, and a 1mm long step turned down to 16.5mm diameter:
Off to the mill and mounted on the rotary table - purely for the fact that it's easy to center the RT to the spindle, plonk the chuck on it and dial in the hole locations. The two holes needed drilled - the most important one is the 6mm hole on the right, as that determines the eccentric offset. The hole on the left is 2.5mm - that will be transferred to the flywheel and then drilled out to 3mm:
Back to the lathe with the chuck, and parting off at thickness:
It looks like the lathe is running hell-for-leather in that photo, but actually, it's only running at 110rpm - I can't do much faster than that on parting steel. The lathe's spindle bearings is a bit worn, and I have a load of backlash on the cross slide feed nut as well. To top that lot, the "parting" blade I'm using is actually a HSS wood plane cutter that I ground down, and anything faster than that on steel would just toast the cutting edge. Not to mention the fact that this was an interrupted parting cut because of the two holes in there
Once parted off, I spent some time and energy to file away the tool marks on the parted face, thereafter a bit of rubbing on emery, and the parted side of the eccentric is all nice and shiny. Shoved a bit of 6mm silver steel through it and the flywheel, and clamped the lot together with a toolmaker's clamp, and then clamped the clamp in the mill vise and transferred the 2.5mm hole into the flywheel - taking care not to have the hole exit on the other side of the flywheel:
Off to the drill press, and with the same toolmaker's clamp trick, opened up the 2.5mm hole in the eccentric to 3mm, and countersunk it for a nice fit for some 3mm countersink screws I have:
Next I tapped the hole in the flywheel to M3, shortened one of the M3 countersink screws for a proper fit, and this is what it looks like assembled together:
, Arnold
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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February 14, 2012, 09:39:08 AM »
Excellent Arnold
This is going to be a smasher
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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February 18, 2012, 09:30:50 PM »
Thanks Dave
A bit more progress; this is turning into a weekends-only project it seems...
With all the hard-to-do parts done, I don't know how long the yet-to-be-made parts will take to do, but soon I'll have to start assembling bits and pieces to see if everything fits. The base and sub-base picked up a bit of rust earlier on, and there were a couple of dings in them as well. The dings were my own fault - I didn't follow the rules of scrupulously cleaning the mill vise each time a part was moved, and some swarf got trapped and made dents.
So first I cleaned up the dings - had to lightly mill away the sides of both the base and sub base to get rid of them:
Then I set to with a file and some scotch-brite to remove the last major machining marks and all the rust from the bits, and gave them a coat of primer:
In the previous post I mentioned I might make the eccentric ring a split one, so I grabbed a bit of 3mm brass plate and roughly laid it out:
After picturing the finished part in my mind on the completed engine, I decided against making the split eccentric ring; it would look a bit "chunky" against the rest of the engine. The smallest taps and screws I have are 10BA, and even If I used these to close the eccentric ring, I'd have to turn down their heads just to fit, and they'd still look overly large.
I do have 1.4mm taps, but no die nut, and if I want to single-point turn screws for these, I first have to make some tools, which have to wait for another day.
So, back to a simple ring for the eccentric ring, and a bit of phosphor bronze turned down to outside diameter - I nearly grabbed a bit of aluminium bronze I have for this part, but remembered in time that I had to silver solder on it!:
After a bit of drilling, and boring, things were to size, with the step turned in to match the one I made on the eccentric:
There was nearly a brown-pants moment while drilling the bronze... I'd forgotten I recently bought a new 10mm drill bit, and it's still very nice and sharp... It grabbed into the bronze, pulling the tailstock chuck right out of the tailstock taper. I grabbed the old chipped 10mm drill, and roughly stoned its cutting faces to a more suitable profile for bronze and finished the job.
The eccentric fits a treat - turning closely, but smoothly in the ring, with the eccentric face _just_ protruding a bit:
Next I parted the ring off:
It was about 0.05mm too thick after parting off, so I flat-lapped that off on some emery, and ended up with this:
Elmer's plans call for 1.6mm (1/16") plate for the valve rod and connecting rods. I thought I had 1.6mm brass plate - well I thought wrong
. I have 1.2mm and 2mm. For a while I sat debating with myself whether to maybe make the rods from round rod, but decided against that as well. So, I'll use the 2mm plate, and I cut some strips from it:
Then trimmed the valve rod to width - 4mm in this case, leaving it about 0.02mm over size for final finishing:
I love my digital camera to bits; it takes fairly good photos without even trying hard, and it'll take 500 to 800 photos on a single full charge, but one thing I don't like about it is the fact that it'll suddenly show the low-battery-of-doom indicator, and only take
photos before shutting down completely on low battery. The last time the batteries ran out was last year when I was finishing the second Coomber, and I didn't give the batteries a full charge... You have three guesses what happened today, and the first two don't count.
Without photos while the batteries were recharging a bit, I silver soldered the eccentric ring to the eccentric rod, and cleaned it up a bit:
I didn't notice it in the shop; but the photo shows some interesting things colour wise. Both the eccentric ring and flywheel rim are phosphor bronze, but of two different compositions - I say that because they behaved a bit differently while machining. The rim has a bit of patina on it already, but is more yellow than the eccentric ring which is more copper in colour, suggesting a higher copper content in the alloy of the ring. Next the yellow of the brass eccentric rod follows. There's also the different grays - ranging from the darker shade of the silver steel eccentric (maybe indicative of it's high carbon content) to the zinc colour of the galvanized screw, then the aluminium approaching "white" and finally the silver sliver of high-content silver in the joint between the bronze ring and brass "rod".
Regards, Arnold
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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February 19, 2012, 12:58:14 AM »
Nice project, Arnold. Wouldn't mind seeing a couple more pictures of that dividing head if you find the time...
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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February 19, 2012, 04:56:13 AM »
Nice work as usual Arnold
Greetings / Benni
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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February 19, 2012, 11:13:30 AM »
Thanks Chuck & Benni
I'll post today's bit in an hour or so.
In the meantime, here you go Chuck:
Just for a bit of background...
I'ts a genuine Myford dividing head - has a 60 tooth worm wheel rather than the more common 40 tooth on most available DHs.
The separate bit in the pictures is it's own tailstock - it slides into the one open hole that can be seen in some of the photos.
The adapter plate it's mounted on at the bottom is actually a bit I made myself - it was originally a cross-slide extension piece for use on my lathe, but now it's a quick way to mount the DH in the mill vise; I plonk it down on a pair of parallels and clamp it up, and I'm good to go for "general accuracy will do" jobs.
As it has the same spindle nose as my lathe, it's very quick to unscrew the chuck from the lathe and transfer it to the DH, and I can use any of the lathe chucks or face plate on the DH to hold things.
Photos - if there's any bits you'd like more detail on or a different angle, feel free to ask:
, Arnold
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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February 19, 2012, 11:48:40 AM »
Today's bit - I think it's an hour or so later
One thing I didn't do when I made the vane shaft was mill out flats on it for the vane arm setscrews - that was easily done:
Then I spent some time with the base - flattening the primer a bit with some 1200 emery, and gave everything the first coat of paint:
Next I marked out the vane arms on some brass flat bar:
And drilled and reamed the vane rod holes:
Then I sawed both bits off the parent stock, and with a bit of 6mm rod trough the holes clamped them together in a small vise, then removed the rod and clamped them up with a toolmaker's clamp that's narrower than the workpieces:
The clamp could then be clamped in the mill vise, with the bits lying flat on top, and I drilled a 2.5mm hole trough to tap M3 - this keeps the connecting rod offsets exactly the same for both vane arms:
Elmer's plans use 2mm pins here - cross drilled for using a piece of thin wire as a retainer, but I had enough fun with that method on my Grasshopper engine; I prefer screws and bolts.
I used a bit of rod and the 2.5mm drill to keep the pieces aligned, and clamped them up in the vise so that the center line is horizontal to the vise jaws:
Then drilled the top 2.5m mto thread M3 for set screws:
While I was about it, I just tapped the holes as well:
Next I used some bits 'n bobs to get things set up to mill away the sides:
And off to the big vise to file the rounds; it takes me longer to set up something to machine curves like these than it does to just file them to the line, and where it's a cosmetic feature like here, a file's plenty good enough:
After a quick rub on emery, things look presentable:
The arms needed a bit taken off on the one face of each; rather than set up the rotary table for this, I did it on the lathe:
Arms finished:
And where they fit on the vane; I'll have to shorten the set screws a bit:
, Arnold
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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February 19, 2012, 11:48:58 AM »
This jobs comming on a storm Arnold
Top stuff
A little bit of clearance never got in the road
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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February 19, 2012, 02:53:06 PM »
Shaping up beautifully Arnold!
I love watching you and Stew, fashion the fiddly diddly parts.......
David D
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Still modifying bits of metal... Occasionally, making an improvement!
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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February 19, 2012, 06:19:53 PM »
3rd from last picture very clever
::do it on the lathe
Small fiddly bits
perfectly formed
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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February 21, 2012, 07:41:50 AM »
Very nicely posted as usual
Coming along very well - looking good
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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February 26, 2012, 01:03:38 PM »
Stew, Cheers mate
Thanks David
I have still have a lot to learn from Stew
- but the fiddly bits seems to be getting easier to make
Cheers John
- nothing clever about it though; just me being lazy
- it doesn't turn out perfect this way; just "good enough for now"
Thanks Dave
- I was hoping to be a bit further along, but some "life" happened in between
Yesterday was a dead loss in the shop; "work" work all day interfered...
This morning I started off with the crank webs - digging through my stock I had a choice between aluminium and bronze in the approximate sizes needed. As the flywheel web is aluminium, I decided on the aluminium to match it; all the linkages will be brass anyway, and I like a bit of contrast. Cleaned off, and drilled and reamed to 6mm:
Next, turned the step on the first web:
And parted of with a bit of oiled 6mm rod in the tailstock chuck to both help support and catch the web:
The second one followed - using the same measurements. I'm slowly starting to get better finishes on parting cuts - it still looks horrible though - I wonder if it's possible to get a really smooth finish on a parting cut ? :
I'll just keep on trying harder
Cleaned up the ugly parting marks:
The webs must be made as a left and right-hand version, and to prevent binding on the engine later on, their crank offsets must match exactly - so I shoved a bit of rod through them held back-to-back, and clamped them together and clamped them flat on the mill vise:
Then I used the edge finder to locate the center line in Y and also the X edge of the pin; then I just dialed in the hole position on the X handwheel - it takes a simple bit of work on a calculator to calculate crank throw - (half the pin thickness + half the center finder thickness) and dial that in
A quick spot with a center drill, and drilled a 2.5mm hole to thread M3 later:
While I was busy drilling holes, I drilled the 2.5mm holes to tap M3 for the grub screws (set screws) as well:
After sitting down and playing around with the set of M3 taps, I had the finished webs:
There's some scuff marks on them; those I'll remove at a later stage.
I did a bit more paint work on the columns, and COMPLETELY stuffed it up
Hopelessly over-sprayed, and there must still have been some contaminants on there to boot. As the bushes are slightly proud of the column faces, there was only one way to recover; I dunked the lot in acetone and got rid of every last vestige of paint on there, and started anew - right from primer.
While waiting for primer to dry, I started on the valve arm - pretty much the same method as the main crank arms:
Rounding over with facets before filing:
Thinning it down - I used a bit of 3mm rod chucked up in the ER11 collet chuck. Just filed a flat on it for the grub screw to hold onto, and turned it down. You'll see that the grub screw was a bit long, and I'd turned a bit of that away in the process as well:
To get more use from that same grub screw , I just screwed it half-way into a 3mm nut, and with a 3mm cap screw turned in from the other end of the nut to lock up against it, I had enough to hold on to to go to the bench grinder and grind off the excess:
The grub screw was still a bit long, so I plonked it on the end of an Allen key and carefully ground down the other end as well to shorten it further making a slight point on the end:
A bit of work with a fine file and emery, and the valve arm is done:
The bits left to make are getting less now, but some things depend on getting the engine assembled partly to take some measurements. I did start to clean up the two bits of brass plate cut in an earlier post - that's the start of the connecting rods:
I guess I'd better start putting drill bits back in the index - before they slip into the fourth dimension.
Before I left shop for the day, I gave the offending column another coat of paint; it still does not look great, but I'll let it dry for a couple of days and give it a rub-down with some 1200 emery before a final coat of paint:
, Arnold
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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February 28, 2012, 09:20:18 AM »
You do some excellent workmanship, it's a very pleasant learning experience to follow your posts.
Very nicely done and shown
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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March 03, 2012, 01:22:59 PM »
Thanks very much Dave
This afternoon I made some small bits. As I mentioned earlier, I'm not going to use Elmer's "pin with hole and soft wire" method for retaining the connecting rods and valve rod. So it was time to start making screws.
First up, a small screw for linking the valve rod with the valve arm. I started with some 4mm silver steel and turned a 2.5mm step on it to match the hole in the crank arm, and then a 2mm step to thread M2:
If you look carefully at the photo, the first section of the smallest step is undersize; I'd overshot and turned it down to 1.8mm - which wouldn't do as that is too small for an adequate M2 thread. It's great for getting an easy and straight start to the thread though
After threading with the tailstock die holder, I turned off the excess 1.8mm bit, and parted of the screw. It just needs a slot:
Next, some 5mm silver steel - turned with a 4mm and 3mm step, and threaded M3:
That was parted off, and repeated another 3 times.
If you look carefully at the previous photo, you'll notice that the 3mm thread does not run to the shoulder. Normally, one would make an undercut there for a crank screw like this, but I'm a lazy rotter and didn't want to grind up a narrow enough cutting bit for the undercut. Anyway, the crank rods need some slight spacing off the webs and crank arms, so I rather set about making some 0.5mm thick brass washers - ID 3mm and OD 6mm.
If one first drill the brass rod and then part off the washers, each is left with a burr on the side that must be filed down; a real pain. So I used a method that leaves much less burrs in a case like this.
I first made all the parting cuts - leaving the core at just under 3mm. The first section was a bit thick
Then I center drilled the end, and drilled a 1.5mm pilot hole through - the pilot hole is needed to prevent the 3mm drill from wandering around for the next step. Then I just drilled down the lot with the 3mm drill, and all the washers are left on it with a minimum of burring:
This is what the bunch of washers look like without any clean-up whatsoever:
Next I slotted all the screws - not the ideal setup to do it with, but it worked:
For today's shop session, I ended up with this lot:
Not as much as I'd hoped to get done, but I spent about 1 1/2 hours at one point searching for my ER11 collet closer nut after dropping it, the collet that was in it and the screw that was in that
I never knew these things were made from rubber; everything bounced all over the show, and not having chameleon-like eyes it's impossible to follow the flight paths of three madly bouncing bits at the same time
I eventually found the nut - there's an old V6 engine standing between my lathe and mill at this point, and the nut had lodged between the water pump and its pulley:
I've found another entrance to the fourth dimension!
, Arnold
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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March 03, 2012, 06:24:39 PM »
Those screws are aw sum
Every one should have a old V6 under the bench
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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March 04, 2012, 03:28:51 PM »
Thanks John.
- That lump of Essex is standing in my way all the time; I'd better find a use for it
Today's bit; more fiddly stuff and making screws
First a teaser
- I had to assemble things well enough to judge how to bend the front connecting rod, as the perspex engine cover is quite a bit thicker than the cover from the plans:
I then bent the connecting rod to match:
The back one was bent to plans, as I didn't change any measurements there.
Then I drilled the big end holes in both rods:
Sorry - out of focus photo!
Next I located the hole against the vise stop and set the mill x handwheel to zero on location:
Then I dialled in the con rod length on the x axis and prepared to center drill:
After center drilling and drilling through at 4mm on the one rod, I flipped them and drilled the other. This made sure they had exactly the same length hole-to-hole in each even though the are bent. It's crucial to get this measurement the same for this engine.
Next I rounded over the ends with a file, and cleaned the lot up with some scotch-brite:
I turned up the main shaft, and loctited the flywheel to it before taking a bit of a lunch break - that gave enough time for the loctite to cure, as it was a nice and warm day today:
One more part required was the vane seal - I prepared some 2mm brass plate for it, and drilled a 0.8mm hole to retain the spring in it:
I need to buy some smaller drills at some point
The vane seal was then sawn off from the parent stock, and filed and lapped to size. Elmer specifies some very thin stainless wire to make a spring from. I don't have that, and I was thinking of using a bit of thin high "E" guitar string for that, but I couldn't find the bit I stole off the guitar - till I remembered I used it to repair the cheese slicer. Then my eyes fell on the big wire brush, and I clipped one of it's bristles off and bent that to the spring shape - that's the thin black part in the photo:
The valve rod still needed a hole drilled and tapped M2 for connecting to the valve arm - that followed:
I'd originally intended to use some 2mm all-thread "studs" and nuts to mount the engine top to the body as I didn't have long enough M2 screws for the job, but as everything else on the engine now use slotted screws, that would look a bit out of place. So I chucked some 4mm silver steel in the ER11 chuck, and turned it down to 1.95mm diameter 13mm long, and filed a good cone on the end to allow the M2 tailstock die to start easily Then I turned a short section down to 3mm - that will make the screw head:
When turning down thin long sections like this, it's imperative to hone the toolbit to a very sharp edge on all cutting edges - then lathe max RPM (~640 for my Myford) and a smooth and steady hand feed to keep a consistent thin chip coming off. Works a treat, but seems to take a bit of practice. I need to build myself a box tool like Tel showed over on HMEM.
Thread, part off & repeat 3 more times, and I had this lot - just needs slotting:
The one on the right's head is a bit big... I forgot to turn it down to 3mm
Easily fixed:
starting to enjoy the ER11 collet chuck working along with my ER25 chuck like this for small jobs!
I slotted them the same way as yesterday's screws. Next I turned up the steam connector from some 5mm hex brass:
Then I laid out all the bits and started giving them a once-over to remove the last tooling marks and to make sure everything was there:
, Arnold
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Re: Elmer's Kimble engine
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March 04, 2012, 06:10:37 PM »
I am so very impressed of you, you make it so very easy. Nice work
Greetings / Benni
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Gamble has a solid track record. The Niners have become one of the best teams in the NFL under his watch at least in part because of solid free agent additions such as Carlos Rogers, Donte Whitner, and Jonathan Goodwin. I happen to think the success is due much more to the incredible coaching of Jim Harbaugh and Harbaugh's staff., but Gamble has been part of a well-run organization.
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STERLING – When the Newman Comets ratcheted up the defense a few notches, the Erie Cardinals had no answer.
Newman forced 23 Erie turnovers Saturday night, turning 13 steals into 14 points in a 62-39 Three Rivers victory over the visiting Cardinals.
"When they stepped up the pressure, we got flustered and didn't execute," Erie senior Jacob Johnston said. "It was like we were playing hot potato; nobody wanted the ball, so we were throwing up quick shots or making long skip passes that they would steal and turn into layups."
The second quarter made all the difference for the Comets (18-4, 9-1). They switched back and forth between an aggressive man-to-man and their standard 1-3-1 run-and-jump zone, which kept Erie (14-11, 6-5) off-balance.
The Cardinals led 12-11 after the first quarter and 17-15 when Johnston (13 points, 4 rebounds) hit three free throws after being fouled shooting a 3-pointer with 6:11 to go before halftime.
But from then on out, it was all Newman. A.J. Sharp (12 points, 4 assists) nailed a 3-pointer from the left wing, then picked off an Erie pass and hit the layup at the other end to kick-start a 22-0 run over the final 6 minutes before the break.
"We got a lot of easy looks in transition, and that's when we start to really think, 'Hey, we got this thing,'" Sharp said. "Once we get a few of those, we run our offense with so much more confidence. We shared the ball, found the open shooters, and knocked those good shots down."
The Comets were 11-for-12 from the floor in the second quarter. Noah McCarty came off the bench to score all 11 of his points in the period, thanks to some strong post position and nice feeds from his teammates. Sharp added seven points, and Newman assisted on all but three baskets … and those three were runout layups.
Even more impressive was the fact that the run started when second-leading scorer and top rebounder Kyle Moore went to the bench with two early fouls.
"We really started clicking as a team," said McCarty, who also blocked four shots, "and us reserves wanted to step in, step up and give the team a bigger advantage on the scoreboard."
"We're really deep this year, and the bench gives us a lot of energy," Sharp added. "Knowing we have those guys behind us, we're really comfortable as starters they're going to get the job done for us when the starters need a blow."
After Newman turned the 17-15 deficit into a 37-17 halftime advantage, the Comets relied on their defense to keep the margin. Micah Trancoso (6 points, 3 steals), Lucas Terveer (2 points, 3 assists) and Luke LeMay (2 points, 2 assists) combined to put the clamps on Johnston, who missed practice all week and was playing with a sore back.
With their leading scorer unable to get loose, the Cardinals couldn't mount any kind of run. Erie never scored more than four consecutive points in the second half, and could get no closer than 13 (44-31) the rest of the way.
"Our defense definitely made the difference for us again tonight," McCarty said. "It sparked that big run in the second quarter, then our guards did a great job of locking down on Johnston to help us shut them down in the second half."
Newman shot 51 percent from the field for the game (26-for-51), handed out 16 assists, and turned the ball over just nine times, outscoring Erie 14-0 in points off turnovers. Moore finished with nine points, five rebounds and two steals, while Nate Terveer and Nic Miller each scored six points; Terveer had three assists and three steals, and Miller dished a pair of assists. The Comet bench outscored the Cardinal reserves 27-4.
In addition to their 23 turnovers, Erie hit just 14 of their 41 shots (34 percent). Jordan Chandler had 11 points and two assists, Rhett Stover had six points and five rebounds, and Connor Saad chipped in five points and four boards.
"I was disappointed that we didn't play at Newman's level," Erie coach Ryan Winckler said. "They were very aggressive defensively, and after we dictated the tempo and played our game in the first quarter, we just couldn't handle their pressure when they started to run and jump at us. Tonight was a step backward for us, and we have to get better from this."
Boys basketball
Newman 62, Erie 39
Star of the game: A.J. Sharp, Newman, 12 points, 4 assists
Key performers: Noah McCarty, Newman, 11 points, 4 blocks; Kyle Moore, Newman, 9 points, 5 rebounds, 2 steals; Nate Terveer, Newman, 6 points, 3 assists, 3 steals; Jacob Johnston, Erie, 13 points, 4 rebounds; Jordan Chandler, Erie, 11 points, 2 assists
Up next: Newman at Fulton, 7:30 p.m. Tuesday; Erie at Bureau Valley, 7:30 p.m. Saturday


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