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Once again, July 31, the non-waiver Trade Deadline, well, let's just say it did not disappoint. Not by the longest of long shots.
In fact, the frenzy of activity on Deadline Day itself and the bartering that preceded it managed to radically alter the rosters of a number of contending teams. It was, quite simply, an all-timer, a Deadline that blew the doors off fans, players, executives, scouts and media members.
Once again, July 31, the non-waiver Trade Deadline, well, let's just say it did not disappoint. Not by the longest of long shots.
In fact, the frenzy of activity on Deadline Day itself and the bartering that preceded it managed to radically alter the rosters of a number of contending teams. It was, quite simply, an all-timer, a Deadline that blew the doors off fans, players, executives, scouts and media members.
We had serious gusto, with first-place teams going even more all-in than anyone could have imagined.
We had a Throwback Thursday in which the biggest deals were orchestrated the old-fashioned way: my big league talent for your big league talent.
We had deals within divisions, rare handshakes between archrivals, and, to top it off, the biggest trade of the whole season going down right at the wire in one whopper of a three-team fiesta.
Is that enough for you? Good. Let's try to make sense of it all as the dust starts to clear by going around the horn with nine takeaways from this amazing trade season.
1. Big league glue: Normally, when high-ticket Major League stars are traded around this time of year, they're going to other teams for packages rich with prospects. That didn't turn out to be the case this time around.
Sure, the Cubs scored shortstop Addison Russell and outfielder Billy McKinney from the A's for pitchers Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel in their July 5 blockbuster, but on Thursday, the biggest deals were big league deals.
Jon Lester and Jonny Gomes went from Boston to Oakland for Yoenis Cespedes. David Price was the centerpiece of that three-team deal and went to Detroit, while Drew Smyly and Nick Franklin went to Tampa Bay and Austin Jackson went to Seattle. And John Lackey departed the Red Sox for St. Louis in exchange for Allen Craig and Joe Kelly.
• Just the facts: According to Elias Sports Bureau, since 2000, 25 Major Leaguers have been sent to another team during their All-Star season. There have been five this season -- Lester, Cespedes, Price, Samardzija and Huston Street. That's more than in the past four years combined.
2. The Price was right: Tampa Bay struck while the phone lines were hot and unloaded the most talked-about trade chip of the summer, getting a possible left-handed replacement in the rotation in Smyly and a touted infield prospect with some big league experience in Franklin.
What the Rays got more than anything, though, is serious contract relief. Price is due for a $20 million salary next year, which is his walk year, so Tampa Bay got young, controllable talent in return.
• Just the facts: By acquiring Price, the Tigers now have the past three AL Cy Young winners (Max Scherzer, Price and Justin Verlander) and the past three AL MVPs (Miguel Cabrera (twice) and Verlander).
3. Beane counting: Why don't we just rename it Crazyball? This trade season was A for Active, and Oakland's general manager, Billy Beane, is being quite clear in his intention to seize the World Series right now and worry about everything else later. First, he got Samardzija and Hammel, and now Lester and Gomes at the expense of Cespedes and a Competitive Balance Draft pick.
Risky? Sure, what with impending free agent Lester likely being a two-month rental. But Oakland's pitching just got a lot better, Hammel is now a trade possibility ahead of the August waiver deadline, and Beane recognized the same about southpaw Tommy Milone and flipped him to Minnesota for outfielder Sam Fuld.
Meanwhile, parting ways with Cespedes is explainable because of the stipulation in his contract that dictates he will be automatically non-tendered and granted free agency if he doesn't re-sign by Oct. 31, 2015, or five days after the last game his team plays that season.
"Cespedes is a big bat that's going to be missed," A's shortstop Jed Lowrie said. "But they've always hung their hat on pitching. I think this is another example of that.
"Jon's a bona fide ace who has done it on the biggest stage. That experience, it's an intangible, having that knowledge that you've done it before. He's a guy that will bolster an already good pitching staff. There's quality arms all the way through. You look at the top four, some pretty good stuff. It's a deep rotation."
• Just the facts: In the 2013 postseason, Oakland starters had a 3.60 ERA in 30 innings, while Lester had a 1.56 ERA in 34 2/3 innings.
4. It wasn't Babe Ruth, but still … Speaking of the Red Sox, why don't we throw in the Yankees, too? The rivals have thrown down trade after trade, and they didn't stop until they had … wait for it … wait for it some more … traded with each other.
OK, so the deal that sent shortstop Stephen Drew to the Bronx for Yankees infielder Kelly Johnson might not have been the sexiest move of the day, but it was the Yankees trading with the Red Sox, and that hadn't happened since the Mike Stanley era of 1997.
Add to that the fact that the Red Sox moved Lester and Lackey and traded reliever Andrew Miller to another division rival, the Orioles, and the Yankees got Martin Prado from Arizona on Thursday and starter Brandon McCarthy from the D-backs earlier this month while also landing third baseman Chase Headley from San Diego.
• Just the facts: Like most teams, the Red Sox don't like to trade within their division, having not made a deal with the Yankees since 1997 and the Rays since '99. But it's open season with everyone else: Boston has made at least one deal with the 28 other teams since 2007.
5. Pitching, pitching, pitching: The A's loaded up on it. The Cardinals did the same, getting Lackey and also acquiring Justin Masterson from the Indians on Wednesday in exchange for outfield prospect James Ramsey. But those weren't the only two teams in pursuit of pitching.
The Giants got Jake Peavy on Saturday, the Angels stocked their bullpen with Street, Jason Grilli and Joe Thatcher, the Tigers got fireman Joakim Soria from Texas, and late Thursday afternoon, the Astros and Marlins orchestrated a doozy of a deal, with Miami acquiring right-hander Jarred Cosart, outfielder/second baseman Enrique Hernandez and Minor League outfielder Austin Wates from the Astros for prospects Jake Marisnick, Colin Moran, Francis Martes and a 2015 Competitive Balance Draft pick.
• Just the facts: The Cardinals might have acquired Lackey with October in mind. The big right-hander earned victories in the deciding game of the World Series for the Angels in 2002 and the Red Sox in '13. He combined for 11 2/3 innings and two earned runs (1.54 ERA) in those two starts, beating the Giants in '02, and, yes, the Cardinals last year.
6. Ben the Builder: Red Sox GM Ben Cherington has traded three of the pitchers who started in last year's World Series. In other words, he's got a plan, and it continued Thursday when he turned Lester and Lackey into Cespedes, Craig and Kelly and then wheeled Miller to Baltimore a day after saying goodbye to Felix Doubront.
• Just the facts: The players that Cherington traded away on Thursday (Lester, Lackey, Miller, Drew and Gomes) have a combined wins above replacement of 80.2, which seems incredible until you consider the blockbuster he made in the summer of 2012, when he traded Carl Crawford, Adrian Gonzalez, Josh Beckett, and Nick Punto and their combined 111.1 career WAR.
7. Small but significant: Sometimes the little moves turn out to be the biggest. We'll see how it turns out come October, but there were plenty of intriguing small trades.
The Braves, for example, snagged utility man Emilio Bonifacio and lefty reliever James Russell from the Cubs for Minor League catcher Victor Caratini. The Mariners, after getting Kendrys Morales from the Twins, picked up outfielder Chris Denorfia from the Padres.
The Nationals got the infielder they wanted in shortstop Asdrubal Cabrera, traded to Washington from Cleveland for infielder Zach Walters and cash, and the Brewers got outfield depth for the stretch drive in the form of Gerardo Parra, whom they received from Arizona in exchange for two Minor Leaguers.
• Just the facts: Don't sleep on the small trades. Three of the League Championship Series MVPs in the past four postseasons were role players picked up in summer transactions: Cody Ross, selected off waivers by the Giants in 2010; Delmon Young, acquired by the Tigers from the Twins in a 2011 waiver deal and was ALCS MVP the following year; and Marco Scutaro, acquired by the Giants from the Rockies in a Deadline deal in 2012.
8. Quiet time: We heard a lot in the weeks leading up to Thursday about what the Phillies might do with all their players who seemingly were on the block. We heard that the Dodgers were in on plenty of pitchers and that they might trade Matt Kemp. We heard that the Pirates might pull a surprise or three. And we figured the Angels might make a run at a starter.
As it turned out, none of those teams were heard from on Thursday, but Halos GM Jerry Dipoto didn't seem too bent out of shape by his team's role of spectator after their earlier bullpen splashes.
"In terms of activity on the last day, I'd be lying if I told you I wasn't a little surprised at the volume of moves and the magnificence," Dipoto said. "But it's fun. It's fun for the fans. It's fun for the different organizations. A lot of good teams got better and a lot of teams looking to check down and play for 2015 and beyond did a good job."
• Just the facts: The cliché goes that you shouldn't confuse motion with action, but the past three World Series champs all made significant July 31 trades. In 2013, the Red Sox acquired Jake Peavy; in '12, the Giants got Hunter Pence; and in '11, the Cardinals acquired Rafael Furcal.
9. It ain't over 'til … August: Yep, let's not forget the waiver deadline of Aug. 31, before which deals can still happen, albeit in a different format, and could feature more big-name, big-salary pieces moving to contenders.
That's only a month away, folks.
• Just the facts: Cliff Lee was going to be the hottest name on the August trade market, but he left his Thursday start complaining of a sore elbow, and he's back on the disabled list for the second time this year. A.J. Burnett, anyone?
Doug Miller is a reporter for MLB.com. Follow him on Twitter @DougMillerMLB.


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crzymike wrote:Hossa is easily a top 10 forward in this league and from what I saw of his playoff performance, he was as much as reason we got to the finals as anyone. No way would I want to lose him at all.PenguinHockeyFanatic wrote:crzymike wrote:Those examples are the reason it can get done. Personally I'd rather have to sweat out if we can afford these players then say Geno or Sid. Lets not forget, though we may be a bit top heavy, our key guys will be on the ice the majority of the time. Id rather have to fill 5 or 6 minutes of ice time with inferior talent to fit in under the cap then 20 or 25 minutes a game with lesser talent. An if RS makes prudent decisions regarding depth players, we can have the best of both worlds(that's what SHE said)! :DPenguinHockeyFanatic wrote:crzymike wrote:As a follow up heres a great example. Colby vs Max. Both are good Pk'ers, both bring some positive energy and both are well regarded in the locker room. The difference, one is twice as expensive as the other. Personally I'd take Max even up anyhow. So basically you are getting the ''same type'' of player who can make similar contributions to the team but one at far less the price. These are the areas where by RS needs to be sharp. Signing players like Sydor for that salary is not the way to go, Sykora obviously was. If he makes good decisions along these lines we'll be fine like wine. :)
Better make that Mad Dog 20/20. There won't be any money left over for anything more expensive than that. :lol:
Well that's a powerful Van Hagar qoute you got there, but let
s just hope we aren't resigning Ouellet and Fata because that's the best of the affordable depth out there. Guts like Ruutu and Dupuis are not as common as you might think, you just don't plug anybody making league minimun in there and expect it to work. Not long ago the Pens tried that after the lockout and they ended up buying out the likes of Endicott. I would rather see that Hossa money spread out and the defnes eimproved upon. If they DO sign three super stars I want one of them to be a defense men like a Lidstrom, not all 3 fowards.
If you want a balance team like that it's fine, but I believe you win championships with elite talent and a solid system. Potentially this team has both. Dont forget the stars get the majority of the play so if we suffer on the third and fourth line so be it. That doesn't mean it's a foregone conclusion we will though.
I'm more worried about suffering on defense than on the bottom lines. in 2-3 years, the fourth line should be virtually nonexistent anyway, with the top 3 centers playing basically the entire game. They should all be playing 23-24 minutes and the overlap will largely account for special teams. Then the bottom line should never be making more than a total of 1.5 million dollars And staal's wingers should be making a total of about 2 million dollars.

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Myrtle Levell, 78, Marceline, died Tuesday, Feb. 26, 2013, at North Kansas City Hospital.
Graveside services will be held at 2 p.m. Sunday, March 3, 2013, in Mt. Olivet Cemetery, Marceline. Visitation will be held from 5 until 7 p.m. Saturday, March 2, 2013, at Delaney Funeral Home, Marceline.
Memorials may be made to the Marceline Nutrition Center and these may be left at or mailed to Delaney Funeral Home 1720 N. Missouri Ave., Marceline, Mo. 64658.
Myrtle was born September 19, 1934, in Fort Morgan, Colo., daughter of Frank and Marie Anna (Cox) Whitcomb. She married Raymond Blaker. He preceded her in death on August 22, 1986. She then married Donald Levell in 1996. He also preceded her in death in 2011.
Myrtle was a homemaker, a member of Grace Baptist Church, Brookfield, and was a Marceline resident since 1978.
Survivors include two sons and daughters-in-law, Lonnie and Lenore Blaker, Marceline, and Rick and Bridget Blaker, Brookfield; daughter and son-in-law, Cindy O'Dell and husband Greg, Marceline; five grandchildren, Matthew O'Dell and wife, Omala, Overland Park, Kan., Dawn Leavitt and husband, Matthew, Ft. Riley, Kan., Jeremiah Blaker and wife, Nikki, Brookfield, and Rikki Blaker, Maryville, Joshua Johnson, Brookfield; five great-grandchildren, Breeonna and Cloe Leavitt, Ft. Riley, Kan., and Jesse, Jodi and Stevie Blaker, Brookfield; aunt, Vera Cox, Ft. Morgan, Colo.; and uncl,e Charles Cox, Johnson, Neb.; and nephew, Donnie Dean Whitcomb, Bowie, Md.
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Why the uproar over President Obama's plan to deliver a televised back-to-school speech to US students? Part of the opposition surely is due to political opposition to Obama himself. But there is another, deeper factor that also may be at work: the historic conservative antipathy in the US to a federal role in education.
Look at it this way: Many people in Texas and Florida (and other conservative states and areas) might well object to anybody from Washington addressing their kids about educational duties, president or no.
Remember, Ronald Reagan promised to abolish the Department of Education (DoE) after he was elected in 1980. It was the Democratic-controlled Congress that prevented him from doing so.
President George H. W. Bush did not press this issue. As has been widely noted, he took part in a teleconference with school children in which he urged them to work hard, do their homework, and study math and science.
But in 1996, GOP presidential nominee Bob Dole promised to "cut out" the DoE and save money. The '96 Republican presidential platform said this: "The federal government has no constitutional authority to be involved in school curricula . . . That is why we will abolish the Department of Education, end federal meddling in our schools, and promote family choice at all levels of learning".
Given the tumultuous events of his presidency, it is easy to forget that George Bush in 2000 was elected as something of a school reformer, based on his success in improving test scores in Texas. In that sense he and his father were a break from post-Barry Goldwater GOP attitudes.
Against this background, it is easy to see why some places in the US might object to, not just a presidential speech, but a presidential speech that is being promoted with curriculum development ideas from the Education Department.
Historically, the federal role in education is strictly limited in the US, the requirements of the "No Child Left Behind" act notwithstanding. At the elementary and secondary level, fully 92 percent of all money comes from state, local, and private funds, according to the DoE's own figures.
Obama administration officials, for their part, say they are surprised by the heat generated by a speech the first announced weeks ago.
"I think we've reached a little bit of the silly season when the president of the United States can't tell kids in school to study hard and stay in school," presidential spokesman Robert Gibbs said Friday. "I think both political parties agree that the dropout rate is something that threatens our long-term economic success."
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As Brexit gets nearer, British firms are exporting more to the other 27 countries in the European Union, a development that's likely to focus minds as discussions over the country's future relationship with the bloc start up again.
Official figures released Friday show that seven of the top 10 destinations for British exports in 2017 were EU countries. Selling everything from cars to pharmaceuticals and gin, British firms exported some 37.7 billion pounds ($53 billion) worth of goods to Germany in 2017, around 13 percent more than the year before. Germany accounted for 11 percent of British exports, up a tad on the year before, and second overall behind the United States.
Other EU countries in the top 10 export destinations included France, the Netherlands and Ireland, the latter being the only EU country to share a land border with the United Kingdom and the source of much debate surrounding post-Brexit scenarios. All witnessed annual increases akin to Germany's. Overall, EU countries accounted for 48.8 percent of British goods exports to the EU in 2017, up from 48.2 percent the year before.
The increasing importance of the EU as a destination for British goods is largely due to the fact that Britain remains a member of the EU until March next year, with exporters also enjoying a boon from the sharp fall in the value of the pound in the wake of the country's vote to leave the bloc in June 2016.
Bank of England Governor Mark Carney has called it a "sweet spot," with exporters benefiting from the near 20 percent fall in the pound's value against the euro "in anticipation of a Brexit that has not yet happened." The euro, which is used by 19 EU countries, is now worth 0.89 pound, compared with around 0.75 pound before the referendum.
But Brexit is happening and no one, it seems, quite knows what it will mean. That's a particular problem for businesses that have enjoyed tariff-free trade with the EU for decades thanks to the bloc's single market and its customs union, a looser trading bloc that mainly covers goods.
The minority Conservative British government has made clear that Brexit means leaving both the single market and the customs union. However, it hopes to negotiate a new free trade agreement that will prevent the return of costly customs checks and tariffs. No one is sure how that can happen and discussions this week within the government failed to clarify what its vision is for the post-Brexit relationship.
In recent months, a deep split within the governing party has become clear. Some lawmakers in Prime Minister Theresa May's party want close ties with the remaining 27 EU nations and a period of transition after Brexit day. Others want a more fundamental break and are comfortable with the idea of tariffs on trade with the EU if it gives Britain more leeway to carve out trade deals with fast-growing economies around the world, particularly in Asia.
May hopes to agree soon on the terms of a transition deal that would see Britain remain in the single market and customs union for a period after Brexit day. That would give firms and households time to adjust.
Carney has argued repeatedly that the outlines of a transition deal need should be in place by the end of the first quarter this year so businesses can plan ahead. Many firms have held back investment amid the uncertainty and some, particularly in finance, have warned they could relocate some activities into the EU if the situation doesn't become clearer.
"As we move through the Brexit process, more needs to be done to provide clarity on what the future trading relationship with the EU will look like," said Suren Thiru, head of economics at the British Chambers of Commerce.
For its part, the EU has been relatively clear. Brussels has said a transition deal is not a given and that any transition must finish at the end of 2020. The EU's chief Brexit negotiator has also said that barriers to trade would be inevitable if Britain opts out of the single market and the customs union. Such barriers can take a number of forms, from tariffs to legal red tape.
"Without the customs union, outside the single market, barriers to trade and goods and services are unavoidable," Michel Barnier said this week as discussions with Britain resumed following last December's agreement on some of Britain's exit terms.
Proponents of Brexit say Britain would be able to thrive even in that environment as the country could have more freedom in trade discussions with countries like China, India and even the United States. There's clearly room for growth in British exports to China, for example: in 2017, Britain sold 18.2 billion pounds worth of goods there, representing only 5.3 percent of its total exports, according to the Office for National Statistics. By comparison, Britain imported 43.7 billion pounds from China, or 9.1 percent of its total.
Even though the relative importance of EU trade is greater for Britain, Brexit proponents argue that EU countries have a lot to lose, too, if free trade is interrupted. Germany, which is Europe's biggest economy, is the number one seller of goods to Britain - it sold 69.5 billion pounds worth of goods to Britain in 2017, or around 14.5 percent of Britain's total imports. That's a lot of BMWs and Volkswagen Golfs.
Brexit-backers also say the EU is a major consumer of British services, particularly in finance, and that will help the sides reach a deal.
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Celebrity wedding planner and host of "My Fair Wedding" on WE TV David Tutera will be at Macy's in Dadeland Mall Sunday, Feb. 10 starting at 1 p.m.
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It's why I was never hard on him like some were. It's not that he was a jerk, its just that he simply didn't know what to do, he's never been in this situation before, especially when its threatening the one thing he's finally gotten after years of wanting.
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I don't see an episode 13 (OVA) scheduled with the last BD (Release Date
late Aug-2013) like the first season:
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My point is, how long do you think it's going to take them to translate an entire volume when it comes out? (Hopefully, not long.)
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In fact, because she is the closest to him being his closest friend, and he does find her attractive, this might have just put her ahead in the race. Especially if they continue to bond. Here, being a good friend might get you a first class ticket to Kodaka's heart.
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|2013-03-28, 21:44
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With Kodaka though, he kinda has special cases that excludes him from this. While he can be also pretty reserved, if you actually come and speak to him, he's a very easy-going and sociable guy. Even Yusa comments how he's a pretty decent guy who's willing to help anyone. When you factor in that you are dealing with pretty socially broken females in this story, taking the time to hang out with them and help them with stuff goes a long way. Kodaka apparently not being ugly and fairly attractive with the "bad boy" look helps too. I'd bet he even attracts some of the regular girls at the school, but people tend to stay way from the "bad-boys" since they are said to be no good. And since we know Kobato is pretty popular and considered a cutie by many, its probably not a stretch to say Kodaka is eye candy to the girls
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Ultimately, i think the author is getting a bit meta with the trope. Kodaka is his primary mouthpiece (since the LN is written in first person) and Kodaka himself comments a few times on how 'miraculous' it is that he coincidentally got involved with all of these amazing girls. I would have liked it better if the girls were a little bit less in the 'unreachable' realm, but i guess Kodaka's 'mere mortal' status in the face of that does make his struggle more iconic.
Yusa's comment about Kodaka's character was slightly off the mark, since Kodaka was also at the time running from his own troubles so his helping her wasn't entirely altruistic; you could see it in the guilty look on his face.
Hmm... i guess Kodaka also subverts the 'useless harem lead' trope a little bit, because he is keenly aware of how fragile his position is at all times - and that's what paralyses him, rather than density or indecision. Who'd have though that being able to read people really well would be a weakness?
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But to be fair, are the girls really that unreachable? In other words, these girls are far from perfect, and are social outcast for a reason. Yea they might look attractive, but other than that, these are pretty lonely people, so Kodaka is around people who probably deserve to be around him compared to just hitting the jackpot and having a beautiful saint want his babies.
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Quick question, the author of this series, Yomi Hirasaka, is a woman, correct?
As for the episode itself, it doesn't seem like an ending, mostly because it isn't. I think that the argument on the roof could have gone further and done more, but I still enjoyed it overall.
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But no, the Neighbors Club girls aren't perfect, though they do somewhat have the 'single tragic flaw' design, the better to fit the 'single redeeming quality' mold that most harem MCs are pressed from. It's just that their tragic flaws make them waaaay more miserable than, say, the average tsundere character.
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Haganai takes the best anime of the season for me. Much superior to season one (especially the art direction). This episode was as good of an ending as you can get considering how close it ended to the novel's current progression. I tip my hat to the scenes that the anime did decide to animate and was positively glued to the show for the episodes that went past the current English translations left off.
Anyway, for this episode, I'll leave some notes.
- Did they touch up the OP? There seemed to be a few extra SFX and effects in it.
- It is harder to have empathy for Kodaka when you don't get his inner monologue in the anime. I know the argument is that an anime should be able to stand on its own two legs, but I do feel Kodaka got the short end in the anime compared to the novels when I see all the accusations of coward or weak protagonist come in.
- My god, Aoi is so cute @_@.
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- Hinata made a great entrance. I haven't looked it up, but is her seriyuu the same as Medaka from Medaka Box? Her use of kisama, omae, and temae makes her seem like a badass. Also, I think I also fell for her like Kodaka
- I'm sure this will come up, so time to preemptively strike!
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- Yukimura wears that boys uniform well along with Kodaka. I think this is one of the first times we see them both in their normal uniforms. Actually, I think this is one of the few times we ever see the normal uniform
- In an episode full of one liners (I originally screenshoted a lot of them to spam pictures), I think Yukimura actually had the best one in the episode.
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- Yukimura was so cute after Kodaka complimented her. Though she went straight ecchi after it xD. I must say that this scene also shows that Yukimura has progressed and fully acknowledges that she is a girl now....though her dream of being a man hasn't changed.
- Rika makes a grand appearance and steals the show (story of the season)
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- Usagi Rika using OPOP powers reminds me of Mondai-ji's bunny girl this season .
- Da battle scene. So many one liners. Kodaka also taking some manly hits. I'm sure you can actually make a short battle manga with panels and epic poses/one liners for each of those panels (was going to do it, got halfway done, then got too lazy to edit it together).
- Rika the prophet does not approve of Kodaka's main character ways
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- Finally, Kodaka makes some progress towards another person. He is finally letting one of his walls drop for Rika and admits that he has friends. Much different from the last time Rika met with Kodaka on the roof.
Well, that's about it for my thoughts. I liked the open ending that we got. We still have a conflict to conclude (friendship and Sena's proposal) and Yozora running away. Leaves room for more to come. The Sora ---> Rika imagery caught me off guard too. It wasn't something I expected at all. Plus, I think they went full derp on Rika's eyes in the ending xD
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another question still bugging me.
where are the others guys on this school? why clubs full of girls, why a stundent concil full of girls??? this a only school???, sometimes looks like kodaka is the only guy on the school.
again like i said i dont see all that " nice and perfect guy" who some peoples try to portrait him for me he still being a coward, for what he did liek the old dictation:
"The end does not justify the way" if him dont want to lose his comfort zone or dont want hurt the girls, runing aways no matter of yours "try to justify" is not the right choice(in both fiction and real life) was proved who he only hurts more the girls with ths patetic reaction, dont matter if their are weirds or normal friends, their already being friends, then the girls have the right to take the right aproach, trying to praise for what he done is the same of say who the answer to everything is just "run".
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It's inarguable that either a 3rd season or OVA will be coming.
Nothing's wrapped up and the ending of S2 is probably the most open ending i have yet to witness to a series that does (??) incredibly well in sales.
Although my presuspicions have been shattered, now knowing that the anime actually caught up to the LN....
That said: To everybody who's interested in the LN, the translations are nowhere near Vol 8 as of yet...
I suggest reading/watching Toaru Majutsu no Index, which is done (atleast for the previous LN series, which spanned 22 volumes. Apparently there is a sequel or whatever that's already at 6, so 28 volumes so far :O)
Should keep most of you busy til some new translations for Haganai come out ;P
EDIT: This series deserves a motherfuckin Rika end. She had the most development judging from the Anime at least + she is the one on best terms with Kodaka..
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WRT54G is a series of routers, there are several models with different hardware.. as for it not being on the supported product page, why would it be? it's a piece of hardware inside an embedded device..
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It was, but the makers switched chipsets for the currently available version 3, and it now isn't. I think you can get it running with the windows drivers and the NDISulator, but I have not tried these things.
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According to the NdisWrapper Wikipedia entry, it will not be ported to OpenBSD per the Project's anti-blob policy. AFAICT, the statement was a fabricated assumption, produced without clear knowledge of Project policy.
It is true that blobs will never be allowed in the OS itself, /etc/firmware excluded. (Code in /etc/firmware is uploaded into peripheral hardware, and is not part of the executable OS.)
Ports that install binary objects have been available for OpenBSD for a long time. Opera is a prime example.
I know nothing about ndisulator, but a quick look at the major OpenBSD mailing lists and the OpenBSD Journal show no mention of it at all, other than a one-time reference regarding another subject, in misc@.
If someone were to develop and submit a port, it might very well be deemed acceptable and added to the tree. (At least until someone develops and submits one, this is conjecture of course.)
It may or may not be possible to port to the OS. But, if a functional port is crafted, blob acceptability should not be an issue. As it would be 3rd party software that is used to execute other 3rd party software, problems introduced are considered self-inflicted wounds. It doesn't matter if it was due to a blob in userland or a blob in a kernel module. Repairing the problem is the responsibility of the installing user, and perhaps with the voluntary and best-effort assistance of the port maintainer.
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So I decided to use the OpenBSD website manual pages and Wikipedia to try to answer this question- Wikipedia is not authoritative per se, but likely they are correct on their information in this regard.
The Broadcom chipsets listed on the Wikipedia page are 4700 series and higher. The bwi(4) man page only lists hardware in the 4300 series of chipsets.
The Atheros chipsets listed on the Wikipedia page are the AR2317 and AR5100AP chipsets. The ath(4) man page only lists hardware in the 5200 series of chipsets.
The WRT54GC uses the Marvell Libertas chipset, listed as AR914. The malo(4) man page lists the 88W8335/88W8310/88W8385 based cards. Perhaps the AR914 is one of these in another name. Perhaps not.
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Location: Norway
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 10:17 am
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Not a direct reply...but....
...POP....eye opener. Found this list over the bestselling e-books over at
1. 30 Minutes ... To Boost Your Communication Skills
2. Arguing Well
3. Time Management
4. The 80/20 Principle
5. Holy Bible, New International Version
6. Eight Habits of Highly Successful People
7. Satisfaction Guaranteed
8. The Complete Idiot's Guide to Organizing Your Life
9. Prey
10. Instant Brainpower
EIGHT of these eBooks are help yourself become a successfull person, one is the Bible (the most sold book ever) and there is only one work of fiction there: Prey in 9th place.
It seems the people buying eBooks are business men, on the way up WASP kind of people. And maybe some wannabees.
Is this a market for weird independent comics?
p.s. Or not so weird ordinary old fashioned comics for that matter?
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Kevin Pease
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Posts: 24
Location: New Jersey
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 5:35 pm
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Stuffed-suit comix
Perhaps. Scott Adams doesn't have to have a monopoly on cartoon business books. The popularity of the light storybook format of "The Ten Minute Manager" and "Who Moved My Cheese" indicates that the middle-manager types would love to be able to keep up with these business fads without having to do so much, you know,
Someone could really clean up and start a trend by putting this sort of thing in comic form.
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Joined: 06 May 2002
Posts: 173
Location: Belgium
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2003 4:04 am
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ragtag wrote:
EIGHT of these eBooks are help yourself become a successfull person, one is the Bible [...]
It seems the people buying eBooks are business men, on the way up WASP kind of people. And maybe some wannabees.
IMHO the "real" successful people (i.e. the ones making money) aren't those reading & buying those books, but those writing & selling them!
Check out my new site (under construction) at:
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2003 3:20 pm
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Can we make a living?
I've just about given up hope on this topic, but am reading it anyway. All I really want to do is make art and writing; I don't know why that should be such a struggle. I don't mean the artistic struggle, which I don't grudge, but the absurd financial struggle.
Yingo, your "InkAddict" link leads to a Page Not Found page. I looked for InkAddict and Yingo in the alphabetical listings of the website they offered, but no go.
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Tim Tylor
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Location: Cornwall, Great Britain
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 5:46 pm
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ragtag wrote:
It seems the people buying eBooks are business men, on the way up WASP kind of people. And maybe some wannabees.
Is this a market for weird independent comics?
p.s. Or not so weird ordinary old fashioned comics for that matter?
Top of today's
top ten: Darwin's Radio, by Greg Bear. A wierd science-fiction novel, by a great writer of wierd science-fiction novels. There are two other fiction titles as well. Maybe things are changing. (Or maybe you picked a bad day.
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Posts: 139
Location: Norway
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:34 am
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Maybe I had an unlucky day, and maybe top 10 lists aren't important. But to get back to the original topic:
Is there a market for online comics?
I think the answer has to be YES...but I don't think it is very big. Sites like Modern Tales have shown that people are willing to pay for quality material, but I think most of the subscribers there are either comics artists/writers or long time comics fans, and not what you call regular people. I know you can get the non-comic reading public to read comics online (most of the people who have read my comics onine, juding from feedback, were not comics fans or creators), but I'm not sure they would be willing to pay.
I think this will change in the future, as people become more comfortable with buying stuff online and comics become more widespread.
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Joined: 02 Apr 2002
Posts: 429
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 11:48 am
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My friend and I are playing around with the idea of making our own web comics portal ... like the dirt mall version of Modern Tales. This is from an e-mail between the business partners.
We are planning to sell yearly subcriptions
competivily at $30 at year. That puts it at about
$2.50 per subscriber, per month.
We are having about 10 artists. I think it is
reasonable to say that each artist alone will bring in
about 10-50 readers just from their own sites. Add
another 100 from our promoution campain when we start
up. So let us estimate our first month readership to
be about 100-600.
The low numbers: 100 x $2.50 = $250 a month - server
costs ($10-$40 a month) = about $210 of profit. This
will be split based on our undeveloped point share
system with you and me and 10 artists in 12 ways, so
roughly $17.50 per artist a month to start.
The high numbers: 600 x $2.50 = $1,500 a month -
server costs ($10-$40 a month) = about $1,460 of
profit. This will be split based on our undeveloped
point share system in 12 ways, so roughly $121.67 per
artist a month to start.
When Modern Tales started and were realitively
unknown, they got 700 readers the first month and now
they have over 3,000, not including all their sister
sites (Seralizer, Graphic Smash, Girlamatic, American
Elf, Jazz Age Comics, Rumble Girls, Whimville and
others). I am not saying that we could ever reach the
levels that Modern Tales is (since Joey has spent lots
of money to do it all), the point is that there is a
market out there and people are willing to pay for
quality comics.
Now, as I have said in another post with Vince, webcomics is not going to pay your rent unless you are really good and famous. Although in current economic times, even an extra $20-$100 a month helps. The point is less about money and more about just doing it.
I am not expecting to make to much money doing this
... at least not at start. I am not giving up graphic
design or expecting anybody to quit their day job.
This idea for me is more of a weekend project.
Hopefully, we can make a buck or two after buying a
domian name, getting a reliable server service and
marketing/promoution. However, more of the point is
creating a community of artists, getting exposure, and
allowing artists to get experience.
There is that saying, together we stand, divided we fall. A community seems to be the best idea to attract the most attention. There is also that joke, "How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Practice, practice practice." Having a place where you can have the disapline to draw a comic on a regular basis, not for money, but for the experience is really helpful. The more reeader feedback the better. There are hundreds of web comics out there. But which ones are the ones getting attention? Mostly the ones from Modern Tales or Keanspot. Sure a comics all by themselves like Absurd Notions, Keaner, Scary Go Round or PVP can be sucessful in their own ways. It matters on how you measure sucess, either getting readers and being satisfied with your art, or making money on your comic. However, the majority of webcomics are faceless numbers and may not get the exposure they deserve. We may not be pathetic amatures, but we are not quite ready for the responcibilty of a syndicated strip like Dilbert.
a community of artists that are really
talented (but are not quite ready for prime time)
Is there a market? The question seems to be, what exact kind of market you are looking for and why? Is it to gain exposure? Is it to make money? Is it to get the practice and experience to grow from? Is it just to have fun? Steve Rolston did web comics before drawing the first Queen and Country and winning an Eisner Award. Now, he just came out with his own graphic novel at Oni. Everybody has to start from somewhere.
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Understands reinventing
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Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 11:59 am
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I once got an e-mail from Drew Weing of the Journal Comic and Pup. He said he gets most of his "income" from selling products like mini-comics based off his web comic. Food for thought. Newspapers make their money from advertising, not from subcriptions. Yes, selling ad space on your web site does not work very well, but it is the idea behind that fact that gets you wondering.
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 1:37 pm
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ragtag wrote:
...but I think most of the subscribers there are either comics artists/writers or long time comics fans, and not what you call regular people. I know you can get the non-comic reading public to read comics ...
People need to remember that a market is a market. Who goes to most sports venues? Sports fans. Who goes to most art shows? Art fans. Who goes to truck pulls? Truck pull fans.
It only makes sense that people who like comics are comics readers/creators. "Regular people" seems an inaccurate term to use here, because I honestly doubt that thee are people out there who aren't interested in SOMETHING.
The North American comics market prolly averages at about a half-million people -- people who buy or read comics in one form or another regularly.
The webcomics market prolly averages close to that, too, but the ones who are more avid webcomics readers are prolly more in the number of 100,000 tops, if even that. Your "average" webcomic reader is not a paying consumer yet of webcomics.
The number of paying webcomics consumers is prolly in the range of 30,000, maybe (and I think I'm being generous there).
But we are still very much a fledgling market -- too new and too unstable to properly worry or direct ourselves with any certainty to any proper conclusions.
Give it another 5-10 years and ask again, and you'll see how the numbers have grown and the outlook has changed. ^_^
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 12:27 am
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Hello All,
There's definitely a market for webcomics. People want to be entertained. Getting entertainment through their computer is much more convenient then going to a comic book store and it's open all the time. As for paying customers... I believe they will support their favorite artists and writers. Heck, many people spend $20 bucks or more a month on comic books and $9 to $15 dollars on a movie. Spending 25 cents to $2 dollars on an artist they enjoy is like a drop in the bucket.
Like may other things in life you need to keep working at it to become successful. Those who do will find their audience.
Good luck all!
Mark Bernal
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Consistant Poster
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Location: Grove City College, PA, USA
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 4:25 pm
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*waves hand* I'm a market! I'm a market!
And I link my friends to my favorite web comics...and I'm convincing a couple to buy BitPass accounts.
And yeah, let's have more business books in comic form!
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Location: Grove City College, PA, USA
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 4:29 pm
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Oh, oh, oh, has anyone approached
about this? He's huge in the web business world. Co-wrote the Cluetrain Manifesto. And business comics sound up his alley.
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Location: Lexington, KY
Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 1:23 pm
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There probably won't be a real market for web comics until the general perception of the value of web content changes. I see that starting to happen, and it should trickle down to web comics eventually as more and more unique content is offered on-line for a small price. The key is to be able to offer something online that you can't get in print or anywhere else. Micropayments is the answer, but I can't say I'm convinced Bitpass is the solution. Paypal already has a subscription solution that can work for web content. I'm not sure how Bitpass is any easier or user-friendly, and Paypal is everywhere. Bitpass has a long ways to go.
If you've been to my site, you'll see that I no longer give away my web comics. I charge a small $2 yearly subscription fee, and members are then emailed the unobstructed comic strips. I don't have subscribers flooding my site, but they do trickle in.
Another solution is to get outside of the regular comics community and look for readers who may not normally read comics at all--personally, I want the sunday paper crowd, the 'civilians' who casually follow their favorite strips and might be convinced to pay a couple of bucks to have it delivered.
Scott Reed
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 12:19 am
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focus on the current needs...
How about selling web comics to businesses who would provide such comics to their customers. The business sets the theme and you draw the comic. web comics will then have a wider auidence and acceptance. I think this will help the web comic industry.
I used to work for an Interactive agency on the west coast and we developed a short web comic for one of our customers. The comic helped sell lots of dresses in stores.
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Pumpkin Pie
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:17 pm
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I think part of the problem is that the vast majority of webcomic creators have little understanding of business or, even more importantly, marketing and sales.
I've been a marketing consultant for a long time now. Currently, I'm looking into starting my own webcomic. I've been reading what's posted here and elsewhere and that opening statement seems so far accurate.
I think part of the problem is simply that webcomic creators don't realize they're in a business and business is to make a profit. I see a lot that love the "all-by-myself" mindset that plagues all one-man-shop businesses. When a business seeks assistance from the outside is when they really start to grow and the profits start rolling in.
The key is focusing on what you do best in the whole long equation of your business and to adequately delegate everything else to someone else that focuses on that part for their business. Be that an employee or outside business.
Businesses succeed on a team mentality and not the lone gunman one. Webcomic creators need to understand that.
Are you poor at selling advertising on your webcomic? The proof is in the end results. Any other business would go, "God, I suck at sales. I better hire a salesperson." And you can hire them on a commission basis. It is harder. They will be FAR more picky, but, odds are, they'll generate more then enough revenue to not only cover their commission but hand over more money than you're currently pulling in.
Now where do you get such a sales force? You could do the Help Wanted, but I'd recommend against it. Instead, I would suggest you contact independent magazines that are in the same genre as your webcomic. They already have a sales force working for them that has contacts with businesses that want to advertise in your shared genre. All you have to do is give their salespeople a commission and their publisher a reseller commission. Yes, they'll be taking a sizeable cut out of your revenue pie, but that pie will be a whole lot bigger than it currently is so you'll make more money in the end. Simply send the magazine publisher an email explaining this set-up and ask for a meeting. The publisher is a businessperson and as interested in making more money as you are.
Personally, I think subscription-based webcomics isn't the way to go. Many use the analogy of newspapers but that's a false one. VERY few people buy a newspaper for the comics. The comics within is just a "free" add-on. Newspapers know this ... thus why comics rarely rate more than one page and they keep shrinking them to fit more and more onto that one page.
What I do think is the solution is multi-stream revenue. I woudn't view your webcomic as the product to sell, but as the thing that sells other products. That's exactly the approach I plan to take with my webcomic! In fact, I released a white paper a year ago about this. It focused on peer-to-peer networking, but it is applicable to webcomics and even has a section on them. Here's a link to it:
A few other things worth thinking about...
How many webcomic creators advertise their webcomics? I've been surfing the net for over ten years and I've rarely ever see an ad for a webcomic. Webcomic creators seem to have a "if we build it, they will come" mentality. Yes, word-of-mouth is FANTASTIC advertising ... but if no one sees your webcomic, no word of mouth can get started. Sorry, but "if we build it, they will come" only works as often as you do winning the big lottery. Yes, someone does win it. However, I wouldn't recommend buying lottery tickets as a retirement plan.
If you want more traffic, you need to go out there and get it. As for doing that...
Barter! When you listen to an ad for a TV show on radio or a local radio show on TV, they very rarely paid for those spots. What they did is barter them. You advertise mine and I'll advertise yours. Webcomic creators need to get in on that action. And, NO, this doesn't mean those webring deals with other webcomics. You need to go out into the webcomic-less world, stand up on a soapbox, and get people to notice your webcomic. Religious ministers don't build large congregations by preaching to the chior but converting the non-believer, lost sheep, and the lax believer. Remember the magazines I talked about earlier that are in the same genre as your webcomic? Talk to them about advertising their magazine on your website and they advertising your webcomic in their printed magazine. Think about it. If your webcomic covers the adventures of a moutain climber, magazines for mountain climbers is where you want to advertise. Barter with them. The worse they can say is "no". Well, they could be nasty about it, but essentially that's what they're saying.
And speaking of barter, NEVER underestimate its power. You can join barter networks where you trade advertising on your webcomic for barter dollars which you can use to purchase other stuff. If you're a bit more creative and ambitious, the sky is the limit on what you can rope in. Like to go on a cruise vacation for practically free? Barter for it. Do you know a local store than has a website? Barter advertising of their store's website for stuff in their store. I've bartered for tons of things. Private use of a nightclub, services from a law firm, services from a PR firm, and many others. You can too. In other words, you're sitting on a gold mine! Mine it!
There are also other things you can do. How about arranging a group vacation of your fans to someplace exotic? You make money by essentially becoming a travel agent. No, you do not have to become a travel agent. Remember what I said earlier about getting others to help you? Walk down to your local travel agency and talk to them about doing this. Visit ALL your local travel agencies and discuss this with them. You want to know what they can do and what kind of a commission you can get for setting these trips up. Now will your fans want to do on such a trip? They might. It offers them two fun things to do at the same time. See someplace exotic AND talk about their favorite webcomic WITH its creator. They'll be in heaven and you'll get a free vacation out of it, your ego insanely stroked, and some money to boot!
Now I have tons of other ideas, but this post is long enough as it is. If you have any questions, fire away and I'll try to answer them. In fact, I'll be trying out a lot of these idea with my own webcomic so I'm not just blowing hot air but telling you what's part of my game plan.
Webcomics have GREAT potential. All webcomic creators have to do is get out of the one-man-shop mentality and start thinking like other successful businesses.
Good luck all!!!
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Joel Fagin
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:35 pm
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Re: Is there a market?
Thomas wrote:
Do regular people, non artists, want to read comics online? Are we all just fooling ourselves?
Of course! Non-writers read books, non-directors watch movies and, heck, non horse racers watch horse races. It is, if you'll forgive me, a really
I find the problem with webcomics is that they only advertise on each other's websites and when they don't, it's still on the web. What they're doing, in fact, is recycling the same 15-30 male computer-savvy demographic around and around and around. The only reason there's any growth is because there's growth on the web in general.
- Joel Fagin
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:45 pm
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i think there is a market, but its bigger for certain types of comics, and smaller for others. i dont think i could tell you which types are which though.
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:48 pm
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If you are interested in making money from comics (web, print or both), my marketing director, Bill Kellogg, and I are putting on a seminar in Las Vegas in September on just that topic. We have lined up a great group of speakers who have been successful in different areas of cartooning to talk and answer questions on how they have done it. We will cover everything from web to print to syndication to online advertising. The details of the seminar are available at:
or you can e-mail Bill at
with questions or for more information.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:31 am
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There's definitely a market for online comics
I think there is definitely a market for online comics. It's just a mater of getting our products out there. Currently the average age of internet users are close to the target demographic of most online comics. There are definitely lots potential consumers its just a mater of getting to them. I guess the better question is: What's the best way to market online comics.
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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:52 am
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Thomas wrote:
I have a simple question for all of us that make online or electronic comics. Is there a market for our comics?
I'm not asking about what we hope will one day happen, but right now is there a market for online comics? Do regular people, non artists, want to read comics online? Are we all just fooling ourselves?
Ok these are several simple questions, but I feel they need to be asked and we all need to really think about the answers to them and decide if what we are doing is truly filling a need in any market or if we are all just spinning our wheels and going nowhere.
This is an old posting that I am responding to. It was posted over ten years ago. So, why am I responding to it, just now?
Well, because I think that it's a question that still has much relevance, today, a full decade later.
I read lots of comic books, as a kid growing up. Recently, I went to two local comic book stores. What did I find?
Lots of titles. Lots and lots and lots of comic book titles.
How many did I buy?
Exactly zero.
Not a single one. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Nada. None.
Why? Because, they are ridiculously overpriced. From my perspective, comic books appear to be Hell-bent on pricing themselves out of the market.
When I look at comic books, these days, I tend to cringe at the small text. Rather than being entertaining, reading them is a chore.
What I, personally, would like to see are comic books offered via streaming TV. Namely, I want to read/view them through my Roku box, which is hooked to my television.
Why? So that I can actually see the text. I wouldn't be entirely opposed to an audio narration, though if done poorly, it could quickly become annoying (and a reason to not view comic books that way).
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Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:18 am
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I love writing and drawing and reading comics. I have made many, a few have been printed, not many. Will my love of comics feed my kids? No. Does mean I should stop? No. But I wouldn't class that as fooling myself. I have a day job, it's a drudge but there you go... I'm lucky to have a job. And if I can draw at night... I'm happy.
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I started out with little (ok, no) planning and little (ok, no) direction of where I wanted to go with this blog. I had been reading several genealogy blogs for a few weeks and was really very interested in the whole concept. I figured if nothing else, I would learn a new technology. With Blogger being free to use, I felt I had nothing to lose and might enjoy myself.
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