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Masters, Journeymen, and Apprentices: Part 1
I classify developers as Masters, Journeymen, or Apprentices. This is a taxonomy I picked up from Ken Auer of RoleModel Software; I think he got if from a former company he worked at, KSC. But I have seen other references in the literature to it as well. The model refers to craftsmen of the Middle Ages, but applies to many disciplines today that involve learning a skill.
Briefly, an apprentice is a developer who is still learning the requisite skills. Constant supervision is necessary because an apprentice may not know when she/he is doing something wrong. Techniques are being learned, but the why of the technique is still a bit vague. Stringing together techniques is a bit beyond the apprentice.
A journeyman has mastered the techniques of the craft. Supervision is rarely required. Given a task, journeymen can complete it in reasonable time with quality results. But they are not yet masters.
A master has all the journeyman skills, but also is able to innovate within the craft. Given a new problem, the master can conceive of a solution. Then the journeymen can be turned loose to help him implement it.
In an Agile team, the skill I am looking for is object-oriented programming (OOP) because Agile hinges upon the ability to write code that can change. Most programmers don't know how to do that, particularly with object-oriented programming. Don't confuse object-oriented programming with object-oriented languages like Java, C#, C++, or Ruby. Using one of those languages (sadly) does not ensure an understanding of object-oriented programming.
An apprentice in OOP is a effective programmer and can construct loops, methods, and classes, but is still learning how to separate the business problem into objects. Encapsulation is being learned (which means no getters or setters for the classes). Code is being placed into the appropriate classes rather in giant god class. if statements litter the code as the apprentice is still learning design patterns to eliminate them. Class sizes and method sizes tend to be larger than smaller. Code requires comments to aid in understanding, and blank lines are common in the middle of methods to group code together. An apprentice is beginning to understand the patterns of bad code (the imfamous code smells), but lacks the tools to understand how to eliminate them.
The journeyman is adept in OOP techniques. The classes exhibit crisp conceptualizations distinguishing them from each other. Boundaries are clear; methods are small. Design patterns are common, and exist in inverse proportion to the number of if statements. else statements are quite infrequent, and case statements have vanished. (I write about one case statement every 18 months or so.) Given a problem and a broad outline of a design, journeymen will implement it with little need for supervision or support.
A master has all the above skills, plus a near magical ability to hear a problem and see objects for a solution. They never seem stuck, and always seem to have a solution to the code smell that is stumping the journeyman. A quick conversation with a master can remove a barrier slowing down a journeyman, or reset the direction being taken to save significant effort.
So why bother with this classification? The corresponding productivity model, particularly on significant, business critical applications. Let's say a regular programmer produces at 1x. An apprentice is essentially a 1x programmer. Then a journeyman is a 2x programmer. There is that much difference in learning those OO techniques. But a master... Well a master is a 5x-10x programmer! They can literally run circles around an apprentice. Even more important, when an apprentice can't get anything done because of the complexity of the problem, the master cuts through it like a hot knife through butter.
A true example from a former client project: In the third release of a project, we reduced the team size to six programmers. These six programmers were keeping 17 acceptance testers hopping just to keep up! The client was running around the halls trying to find additional testers. The six programmers: four masters and two journeymen, a virtual team of around 40 in productivity. No wonder it took so many testers to keep up.
So in my resource planning spreadsheets, I literally identify apprentices, journeymen, and masters as separate resources, and use 1x, 2x, and 5x multipliers to get a virtual body count. I use the virtual body count to compare to non-OO waterfall estimates of the same work. And I never count a swap of a master for a journeyman.
More musings on the M-J-A model in later posts...
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- Mike Hadlow said...
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- 7 August 2007 at 12:26
- Mike Hadlow said...
Great post, but I think that most Microsoft shops don't even come up to your Apprentice level. I've commented here
- 7 August 2007 at 12:28
- Fred George said...
Nice responding post! I wish I had said some of the things as clearly as you have. As for OO skills, I would agree with you: Most programmers are Apprentices (and not just Microsoft shops). They were taught at university by professors who were Apprentices. They sit beside colleagues that are Apprentices. The bad news is two-fold: They don't know that there is anything more, and they don't have access to people who could show them more. The good side: If you fix those two problems, they make the transition quite easily.
- 7 August 2007 at 12:44
- Jaga said...
Great article. I am curious to know what is your measure of productivity when you say a master is 10x an apprentice? Are you thinking in terms of conventional metrics like FP or kloc / phr or in terms of velocity or something else?
- 2 January 2008 at 11:36
- John said...
I love this entry. That said, I have to wonder how programmers can make these jumps without having the benefit of working with better programmers? And, if it isn't possible today, what would make it possible?
- 19 May 2008 at 06:09
- Fred George said...
I think you can pull yourself up to Journeyman through good books and disciplined practice. It is certainly more difficult than having someone to learn from.
As for Master, it's doubly gloomy. First, only a minority of programmers have the skills to reach that plateau (think architect as a reference point). Second, books seem woefully inadequate to help that leap. For Master levels in objects, Ward Cunningham probably figured it out in concert with his team (which included Kent Beck), but of course Ward invented the Wiki, so he is not an ordinary case. That being said, I can name a few colleagues, but they're a minority of a minority.
Short advise: Get as far as you can on your own, then be ready for that day you can pair up with a Master. It could be a short trip!
- 19 May 2008 at 15:17
- Fred George said...
A late reply from me. Sorry.
The 10x factor would be on any functional measure. Story points or functional points would work. Lines of code probably doesn't work, since Masters write "tight" code. Their key to productivity is they find that "tight" code so much quicker than their colleagues.
And the 10x doesn't count the problems that Masters can solve that completely stymy other programmers.
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Experts say only 36 percent of Californians would approve a major water bond issue today in a state that is riddled with debt and a projected continuing budget deficit reaching into the billions.
While the fiscal malaise continues to hang over the state like a black cloud, California's water crisis is really the No. 1 mess facing this state, according to agricultural lobbyist/attorney and Hanford, Calif., dairyman George Soares.
Soares, whose law firm represents a host of agricultural and commodity groups, told the annual Western Cotton Shippers Association conference at Harris Ranch on the West Side of the San Joaquin Valley that California's water crisis is in a race against money, politics and time.
Agriculture has mounted a well-funded, well-orchestrated headline-grabbing campaign to improve those odds. California's water crisis now has a face; a human element that for the first time focuses on people rather than farms and farmers.
Soares told the annual conference of cotton merchants that there are photographs in the state Capitol of thousands of farmworkers, farmers, business owners, town mayors and others marching head down into howling, dust choking wind on the West Side of the San Joaquin Valley last spring. They were marching for water in an area that has 40-percent unemployment because the drought and environmental laws have reduced the water supply to one of the most productive agricultural areas in the world.
Politicians and bureaucrats see those photos and read the headlines that continue to herald California's water crisis.
Soares says agriculture is "seriously engaged" with "direct involvement" in efforts to increase the state's water supply and delivery system that was built to service 20 million in a state with a current population of 38 million.
Everyone is "desperate to one degree or another" for current and future water supplies which bring all political elements of the state together. Heretofore, the state water crisis has been primarily an agricultural issue. Now it cuts across the spectrum and is statewide.
A regular legislative session failed to reach a compromise water package to put on the ballot. Soares said the emphasis is not for the governor to call a special session to deal with the water crisis. Soares said the "momentum" to reach an agreement will continue into the fall and next year.
He said there must be a comprehensive water bond on the ballot in 2010. Term limits will change the structure of the Legislature afterwards. Following that, "we have to start all over" with a significant batch of new legislators. "We do not have time to start over," remarked Soares.
Agriculture has put a "human face" on the water crisis in the fields and that has given the issue considerable traction with the public and the politicians; it will take more than that to solve the issue. It will take political coalitions.
One of the strongest voices in resolving the water crisis has been the Latino political caucus. It is the strongest caucus in the Legislature with 26 members. "This caucus is sensitive to the human conditions brought on by a lack of water for agriculture," he says. This group of legislators has put together one of the most comprehensive water solution packages yet.
"Trade unions are part of this effort. When is the last time a union stood up for us in ag? The carpenters' union said they supported the Latino caucus' water package."
The water crisis is a jobs issue with many unions, according to Soares.
Amazingly, the United Farm Workers of America have not supported the water bond measures. The UFW has boycotted marches and rallies focusing on the water crisis. Soares said the UFW recently donated $1 million to defeat a water bond issue. That may seem puzzling, but Soares explained that the UFW is allied with the state workers union. These groups do not want the bond issue to pass because the debt service to finance a major bond issue might take money from state workers.
The focus of the water crisis is the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta. It is in need of repair and it is also the hub for controversy. Many farmers and towns in the Delta do not want a canal built because they see it as a threat to the Delta's water quality.
Soares said ag must embrace the concerns of the Delta and work to restore the Delta as well as improve water conveyed through or around it.
However, the Delta is only part of what must be a comprehensive water bond package that includes above and underground storage and water rights issues.
It will take a solid coalition to get a comprehensive package passed.
"I call it relationships … relationship to relevancy. Unfortunately, everyone in ag does not appreciate that relationships have value. Without relationships we will not have success," he says.
He cited the appeal in 2001 of the state tax on farm equipment. Soares said this was the result of relationships created with urban legislators. It was a victory for ag that continues to pay off to the tune of $150 million in savings for agriculture.
"It has been eight years since the tractor tax victory and it is still intact, even after this year's budget crisis," said Soares.
The long time Hanford resident did not guarantee victory for a 2010 water bond issue. "It is too soon to tell if all segments of society will be with us," said Soares. However, he made it clear agriculture has a dog in the fight with perhaps a better chance of winning than ever before.
It is a daunting task with a dysfunctional fiscal system that continues to allow the state to spend more than it takes in.
Soares admits to bewilderment with a process that results in political leaders being happy reducing the deficit from $26 billion to $5 billion in the last state budget. That $5 billion, projects Soares, will likely grow to $15 billion by the spring. However, the attitude remains that it's better than $26 billion.
"The budget will continue to be a problem long term in this state," Soares told the farmers and cotton merchants at the WCSA gathering.
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New member and would like to clear a few things up. I plan on purchasing a few Thrunight Flashlights. I want to get the best support batteries and chargers. I read this ENTIRE POST and was thoroughly schooled with the battery false claims. THANK YOU!
That being said, can the experts recommend some 18650 and CR123A batteries that are legit, reliable and decent priced? I have the cash for the batteries and just want to purchase the best batteries. I want the higher current rechargables.
I plan on purchasing the NEW NITECORE D4 Digicharger to maintain the batteries. It looks like it will provide the right info ( current/voltage and charge status) to properly maintain the right charge.
Thanks in advance
Can't give you links, but Illumn has great deals on good batteries and chargers. I like the NCR18650BD as a battery and the I4 charger is a lot cheaper than the Digicharger, but the Digicharger is a very nice setup.
I see that this is an old and somewhat infrequently posted-to thread but, as a raw noob, the information and comments are MOST useful. My only LED light is an Ultrafire 502D (labeled as a WF-5020). After eading several threads in other forums along with this one, I have a much different view of flashlights.:
First, my 502D just won't run any more. This unit is probably an authentic Ultrafire as the build quality is very nice: glass lens; the threads are fine and smooth; the finish quite sturdy; the O rings seal it water tight; and it's built like a tank.
Second, the problem most likely is with the batteries. I have a dozen or so red-wrapped, 3,000 mAh, protected 18650 "Ultrafire" items and they do not hold a charge worth squat after perhaps a dozen charges with an expensive (circa 2007) Maha smart charger. The symptons exhibited by this defunct rig seem to match the problems detailed abaout fake batteries discussed in this thread.
Sooooooo.... I am going to get a new drop-in that will handle two 18650's, perhaps install a custom driver, AND buy some authentic, protected 18650 batteries. Hopefully this revision will raise my 502D from the dead and recommence lighting up the night.
I will update this post once the project is complete and the new set-up is fully tested.
Very helpful post. now ill know what to look for for my budget lights. kept wondering why my smaller light seemed much brighter then the larger one. ah fleabay.
I have seen claims of a 6000 lumen flash light that was about the size of a mag 2d flashlight. Alot of that is lies sold from china and hong kong. They dont have same sales regulation laws we have in the usa
I have some of the red wrapped Ultrafire 3000mAh 18650's that came free with a light... tested them with my new BT-C3400 and they came up at 450mAh and 550mAh each. Pathetic.
I think they just pick a good sounding number and slap it on the wrapper.
Spare cells and extra "lithium" included in this camcorder battery
I have never tested any of the red wrapped Ultrafire 3000mAh 18650's that had more then 900mah most much less.
I'm surprised that I have not found anything in this thread about underwater use. I just joined the forum and am interested in more info. Lumens vs lux is a major bone of contention when it comes to underwater diving applications because of the different beam angles needed for different applications.
Lately, I am seeing claims for various kinds of batteries in the 4000-10000mah capacity. If I am allowed to post a link, here is one example;
Most of these brands posted on fleabay I've never heard of before. Anyone know anything about these batteries? Can someone please tell me if these mah claims are even possible? Has technology really improved that much in such a short time? At $2 apiece this seems waaaaay too good to be true.
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Not only would you be extremely lucky if they were anywhere even approaching the 3400-3600mAh of the best genuine cells, you'd be fairly lucky if they weren't recycled from dead equipment, and I wouldn't trust any claims from such sellers of cells, including whether cells were protected.
Once upon a time have bought a couple of "Meco" 26650 batteries. Were cheap as dirt and I din't know then what does that mean.
Now I've got Opus BT-C100. Decided to check what I already understood is crap (Keeppower 5200 mAh runs roughly 4 times longer): declared -- 5000 mAh, test result -- a bit above 1600 mAh. Yeah, the crap it is
I am a newbee and a novice
But I have a Q regarding led string light that have solar rechargeable batteries
Lasted 2 years for me
says ICR, 14500, 3.7v 400mah
Can someone please advice which batteries will suit for these replacements and where can I buy them from- there are heaps on ebay /aliexpress but am not sure which ones are reliable
Cant seem to find comments from buyers either
Hoping this forum members can throw some light on this
Other one I have is
600mah 1.2v NiMH batteries
Please advice
The second to last set of batteries (18650) I bought were Ultrafire rated at 3000maH. Testing showed them good for 800maH. The vendor said I had no idea what I was talking about and he had no complaints or returns. They were red and had 3 black bars on them. The last set I purchased were also labelled Ultrafire and rated at 3000maH. Testing showed about 2400maH and are about usual for cheaper cells (that actually make some pretense to be remotely "real"). Both bought here in New Zealand from Trademe. I will pull one of each apart when I have a moment to see whether they have lied about anything else as they both claim protection.
The 800maH cells weighed about 2/3 of the 2400maH so you can almost gain a fair idea of quality just by weighing them.
Also bought a couple of sets of nobrand 26650 rated at 4000maH. All cells tested of these are actually over this so there are good ones out there.
I label all cells with the date, where I bought it and capacity and retest every couple of years.
To test I discharge the cell at .32AH and time how long it passes this until the voltage drops to 3.3v. Then base the rating on an average voltage of 3.6volts. Not the most scientific but it gives a good feel for the quality of the cell and allows comparisons.
Re torches. Watch out for the lower cost torches especially if they are anodised (and they all are). Anodising is an insulator. So they take the bodies of the torches and biff them into the anodising bath. And they get a good coat and look good. Then you screw 2 halves together and wonder why the torch doesn't work. It is because they are using the joint between the two body parts as an electrical path with both surfaces actually being an insulator. Often they will work because somewhere a small piece of the anodising has punctured through somewhere on the other half making the contact. Tighten it gently and the contact disappears again. Uurgh. Best cure is to remove some of the anodising where both halves will touch when screwed up. You will find that some of these torches will never become reliable. I have found that the small single cell AA or 14450 torches have about a 50% failure rate (nobrand type).
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Wave, January / February 2013
The huge snow flakes drifting down from the sky seem so soft and delicate.
But lose control while flying down your favourite slope, and those same gentle snowflakes will feel as hard and unforgiving as any concrete wall.
Downhill and cross-country skiing and snowboarding are popular sports in Manitoba, but they can lead to injuries if safety precautions aren't taken.
There are plenty of ways to bang yourself up while skiing or snowboarding, from simply falling down to smacking into some trees.
Every year, as more people embrace winter, more people injure themselves. In Canada, more people are admitted to hospital from injuries sustained while snowboarding and alpine and cross-country skiing than from playing hockey.
In 2010 to 2011, there were 2,329 hospital admissions for a skiing or snowboarding accident, compared with just over 1,100 hockey-related admissions requiring at least one night in hospital. These numbers do not include trips to the first aid hut at the hill, an emergency department, doctor's office, or deaths, according to the Canadian Institute for Health Information statistics.
The most common injury among adult skiers is a sprained thumb, while snowboarders most often hurt their wrists, says Dr. Wayne Hildahl, Chief Operating Officer of the Pan Am Clinic, which treats many skiers and snowboarders after they've injured themselves.
"We mostly see the people who have broken or sprained a limb, who've dislocated a shoulder, or who have had a concussion from a crash," says Hildahl, adding that Pan Am Clinic's Minor Injury Clinic is the go-to place for musculo-skeletal injuries in Winnipeg.
According to a report written by Dr. Lynne Warda, Medical Director of IMPACT, the Winnipeg Health Region's njury prevention program, the risk of injuring yourself is approximately two to four per 1,000 participant days. The highest risk is among snowboarders, while children to age 17 are more likely to hurt themselves than older participants. Boys are more likely to hurt themselves than girls in the age 10 to 19 category.
"A significant number of Manitobans play snow sports like these," says Hildahl. "Those who do get injured are often beginners, often on the first day of skiing or snowboarding, although expert skiers or boarders may be at risk for the more severe injuries because of the terrain they're travelling on."
Cross-country skiers are much less likely to hurt themselves than their alpine counterparts, and for different reasons. While downhill skiers and snowboarders suffer injury from falls and jumps, cross-country skiers suffer most injury from losing control - a reason that doesn't show up in the other two sports, according to data from the Canadian Hospitals Injury Reporting and Prevention Program.
Improvements in ski and snowboard gear over the years have improved safety on the hills. But the equipment must be properly adjusted and maintained, according to Warda's report, which goes on to say, "Among skiers younger than 13, children using rental equipment are more likely to be injured than children using their own equipment." Adults also have similar problems with rental and borrowed equipment.
According to the Canadian Ski Council, more Canadians are wearing helmets when skiing and snowboarding. The council surveyed over 6,500 people in February 2012, and found that 83.1 per cent of them wear helmets, up from a similar sample in December 2011, when 79.9 per cent said they wore helmets when participating in the sports.
Similar to what is seen in bike helmet use, children are the majority of helmet wearers. Over 95 per cent of children on the slopes are outfitted with a helmet, according to the council, either their own or a rental. Most ski instruction programs require children to be wearing helmets, but do not require the same of adults.
Despite the increase in helmet use, there were 135 serious head injuries involving skiing or snowboarding in Canada last year. Over the past five years, a total of 759 head injuries were related to ski hill activity.
"Concussion is a huge issue, especially for snowboarders, who like to go into the half-pipes and on the jumps, and for skiers who hit trees or lift posts or each other," says Hildahl. "Helmets are useful but their use shouldn't increase your willingness to take risks, as they don't make you immune to danger."
Along with using helmets, Hildahl has a number of tips to avoid injury when enjoying winter sports: get your gear tuned up, take a lesson from a professional, follow the alpine responsibility code and know the terrain.
"Don't just put yourself and your kids on skis. Put them into a lesson, because the worst thing you can do is try to teach them yourself," says Hildahl, who went on many skiing holidays with his family, and remembers following his children down quite a number of double black runs.
Strange as it may seem to be worried about the sun in winter, you need to protect your skin. The sun's rays bounce off the snow and can give you a sunburn before you know it. "You'll see a lot of people walking around with a 'raccoon face' after they take off their goggles at the end of skiing," he says. "Avoid that. Wear sunscreen."
If you're tired, go inside and warm up from the cold, eat a snack and have a drink, he says. "Tired falls are a fast way of losing control and hurting yourself," says Hildahl. "Reduce your risk and you'll be having an injury-free winter adventure."
Susie Strachan is a communications advisor with the Winnipeg Health Region.
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I say, what's a better way to spend Earth Day than to work on a video game featuring insects? That's what I did, well, part of it. I added a back story into the game before the title screen and after the "banana presents" screen. I figure, if all the Playstation and other games on CD can have elaborate introductions that you can skip, surely I can. But mine is just two static screens showing images. I need to change the second screen once all the fighters have been designed. My plan is to have them all on a single leaf on a plant with a black background, looking at each other. I already have the foreboding music done. Oh, and I made the theme song's notes back to their "original" lengths. What I did was tweak the note values in the new "Soviet" sound engine until it sounded like what I had before. New thinking about how the sound engine worked led me to do this. Well, anyway, if you have Mednafen or a FlashBoy, the link to the latest build is in my signature. I changed the signature link because it was linking to "Aegis", whereas I decided to change "Aegis" to "Banana," so all my future works beginning with Insecticide will have the "banana" name. Inside in my room on the warmest day of the year so far...perfect (except it's getting kinda hot. Luckily, the 80 degree days will be done by Tuesday, for now.)


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MACON, Ga. (October 24, 2011) – With an 81st minute goal to carry the ETSU women's soccer team to its first Atlantic Sun regular season championship in program history, sophomore Ramey Kerns (Kings Mountain, N.C.) has been named A-Sun Player of the Week, the league office announced on Monday.
This is Kerns' first weekly honor in the sophomore's young collegiate career, as she joins teammates Genna Petersen (Loveland, Ohio) and Caitlin Gaughan (Indianapolis, Ind.) as the three Lady Buccaneer selections this year.
Kerns finished the week with three shots, one on goal, through 119 minutes of game action. Her one shot on goal was the biggest of the season for ETSU, as it broke a, 1-1, tie against Mercer and ultimately sparked the Lady Bucs to a share of the A-Sun title and a first round bye in the conference tournament.
After falling, 3-0, to FGCU last Sunday, the Lady Bucs entered this week with a 6-1-0 record in conference play and matchups scheduled against Kennesaw State and Mercer to finish out the regular season. Tying the Owls, 1-1, on Friday, ETSU needed to win against Mercer on Sunday to earn the No. 2 seed in the conference tournament, automatically advance into the semifinals and potentially earn a share of the A-Sun regular season title. A loss or tie would put the Lady Bucs out of contention for the regular season crown, drop them to the No. 3 seed and force them to play in the A-Sun quarterfinals.
Entering the second half against Mercer, the Lady Bucs found themselves in a tie and needing a goal. At the same time, Florida Gulf Coast, the first place team in the A-Sun standings, had conceded its first goal of the conference season and trailed Belmont 1-0 at halftime in Nashville.
With less than 10 minutes to play in the second half, Kerns came down the middle of the field as freshman Jenna Caudle (Middletown, Md.) brought the ball up the far-right side. Caudle fired a shot which was saved by Mercer's Nikki Atkinson in goal, but the ball got away from the Bears' goalkeeper and Kerns stepped up to collect the loose ball and blast in the game-winner.
When the game ended, Belmont still led FGCU, 1-0 in the 85th minute of play. As the Lady Bucs waited in suspense down on the field, it was soon announced that Belmont had defeated FGCU, 1-0, and the celebration ensued.
ETSU finished the regular season at 12-4-1 (7-1-1 A-Sun) to tie the team record for both most overall and most conference wins in a single season. The A-Sun co-regular season champions now await the winner of No. 3 Jacksonville and No. 6 Mercer in the A-Sun semifinals on Friday, November 4, in Ft. Myers Fla.
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I was asked by an Xtian if I decorated for Christmas.
When I answered "NO" - I got the questions I have heard before.
"Are you against Religion? Are you against Christmas."
(Religion is bad - so yes I am against religion)
Any of you here get these same questions?
How do you handle them?
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If A = B, and B = C, then by the law of transitivity, A = C.
You forgot to quantify your statement by including, "for all A, B, and C in the domain of the relation." Otherwise, your logic makes no sense.
If A = I am against irrational religions,
and B = I like to participate with the great-grandkids in decorating a tree during the winter season.
then A ≠ C
We also burn a Yule Log, have marshmallows and s'mores at the fire, with hot cider to warm up afterwards. The children get gifts from under the tree but there is no Santa Clause ... except the four-year-old may believe so. The others do not.
Well ... we'd burn a Yule log ... if we had a fireplace! [minor detail there!]
My wife and I absolutely celebrate Christmas or Yule or Saturnalia or whatever you want to call it and we enjoy it a lot. At the same time, there's no talk of Jesus or a manger or shepherds or wise men or any other such noise, though I will admit to cuing up Handel's Messiah yesterday evening and listening to a good portion of it (what's wrong with good music?).
Lots of presents under the tree, too ... and not one of 'em says, "From Santa."
Most religions are irrational.
Loren, whatever happened two years ago, I'm glad you recovered.
Im ok with irrationality. I dislike religion because it causes harm. Stop hurting the orld and you can go be as irrational as you want
While I haven't gotten this question, I suppose the older I get, the more crotchety I get. My probable response would be something along these lines.
"What is this? One of those, 'Yer either fer us, or a'gin us?' asinine positions? How utterly stupid is that! Jews don't decorate for or celebrate Christmas, yet they're religious. Are you an anti-semite who hates Jews? Hindus, Muslims, Baha'is, Buddhists and others don't 'do' Christmas. Do you hate all those people also? Come to think of it, based on the idiocy of that question, you probably do. Here's a hint. You know your god's made up when he hates all the same people you do. Now, go back and join the great unwashed mob that is storming the gates of Wal-Mart for super-saver bargains, quit asking stupid questions, and get the hell out my face."
Love your reply Pat. At 71, I'm very crotchety and curmudgeonly :)
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West Joins Dutchmen Coleman Team as RSM
September 4, 2013 by RVBusiness Comments Off on West Joins Dutchmen Coleman Team as RSM
Scott West has joined Dutchmen Manufacturing Inc. as a regional sales manager for the company's Coleman product line.
According to a press release, he will serve dealers in the Northeastern and Midwestern United States, as well as the Eastern provinces of Canada. West will also have responsibility for further expanding the significant market share increase experienced by Coleman's three travel trailer lines in the past year.
West brings 14 years of RV industry experience to his new position. "Scott has worked in sales, engineering, purchasing, bill of materials and production for various brands and types of RVs," Troy James, general manager, noted. "His well-rounded knowledge provides a unique understanding of what goes into an RV and why. We're excited he's handling the Coleman line."
Coleman produces Expedition LT, Expedition conventional and Explorer ultralite travel trailers. These products range from a cozy, inexpensive 14-footer to a spacious 33-footer. The 100-year-old Coleman Co. is a world leader in the production of camping gear and outdoor equipment. "Coleman is really going places," West said. "I couldn't believe all the expansion projects happening at Dutchmen. They're planning for the future big time."
West attended Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Mich., and joined the RV industry in 1999. He resides in Burr Oak, Mich., and can be contacted at (269) 625-2633 or via e-mail at email@example.com.


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The leaders of Australia and Indonesia have expressed their strong wishes to reconnect on the eve of a reunion meeting that could be sealed with a code of conduct within weeks.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott and President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono will meet in Batam, Indonesia, on Wednesday, for their first face-to-face exchange since November's revelations Australia had eavesdropped on the phone calls of the president's wife and others.
A meeting scheduled for last month fell through at the last minute when it was widely understood Mr Abbott cancelled as Australia was engaged in the diplomatically sensitive task of turning back an asylum-seeker boat.
But President Yudhoyono's desire to overcome both these issues are made pressing by the fact he leaves office in October.
His office says a code of conduct, a document on which Indonesia has insisted to guide the future relationship, is a high priority.
But whether the leaders discuss this on Wednesday is unclear, as Indonesia is setting a relaxed tone for the discussion and dinner.
Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa says the code is a one-page document with a basic commitment not to spy on Indonesia.
However, he says, the leaders will discuss whatever issues they feel most important.
"This is an informal meeting in nature and will certainly be about what both heads of state desire," he told reporters in Jakarta.
But Indonesia's ambassador to Australia, Nadjib Riphat Kesoema, acknowledged the gravity of the meeting.
Given his return just last week to his Canberra post as part of the reconciliation process, he told Indonesia's Kompas newspaper: "The Indonesia-Australia relationship is at a turning point".
Meanwhile, Mr Abbott told parliament the relationship with Indonesia was in some respects Australia's most important.
He said the code of conduct had taken some time to draft, but should be ready to finalise when the foreign ministers and defence ministers meet for "2+2" talks, within weeks.
"I am determined to do everything I can to improve the relationship," Mr Abbott said.
"I am particularly keen to ensure that the relationship improves while President Yudhoyono is in office because not only has he been a great president of his country, he has also been a very good friend to Australia."
Mr Abbott shrugged off reports an Indonesian reporter was present when he called Dr Yudhoyono last month to apologise for not going to Bali.
The reporter published parts of their conversation.
The president's office has called it a "mistake" that occurred when staff overlooked the reporter in a crowded room.
Mr Abbott was keen to downplay the matter, saying what mattered most was the content of the call.
After the visit Mr Abbott will join other world leaders for the 70th anniversary of the D-Day landings in France before heading to Canada and the United States on a trade and investment tour.


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Chargers Edge Vikings 12-10
The Vikings lost 12-10 in their 3rd preseason game to the San Diego Chargers Friday night. The Chargers sat 18 players including starting quarterback Philip Rivers and top tight end Antonio Gates. San Diego made 4 field goals including Nick Novak's 45-yard game-winner as time expired to win the game.
Christian Ponder and the first string Minnesota offense played into the 3rd quarter. Ponder was 9-16 passing for 115 yards with no touchdowns and 1 interception, Toby Gerhart ran 6 times for 18 yards, Percy Harvin had 2 catches for 50 yards and Kyle Rudolph had 3 catches for 36 yards.
Sage Rosenfels threw a 4th quarter touchdown pass to Matt Asiata from the 1-yard line for the only Viking touchdown. Kicker Blair Walsh was 1-2 on field goals.
The Vikings are 1-2 in preseason games and will play at Houston Thursday August 30 in the final preseaon game at 6pm, pregame on WJON at 5:00.


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