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Sunday, February 8, 2009
Which Came First: Chicken or Egg? Thoughts about Belief and Chrsitian Faith
First, a word about the panel. As I said, the panel was made up of myself, Jason Clark and Pete Rollins with Jamie Smith, Lori Wilson and Mike Wittmer acting as respondents. Nathan Bierma deftly played the role of moderator. We attracted somewhere between 120-130 to the four hour panel discussion and roughly another 100 over the course of the next two days at one-hour discussions for those who didn't make it to the panel. The Worship Symposium as a whole drew some 1400 participants from 38 different countries.
The impetus for the panel is a book that Pete, Jason, myself and Scot McKnight are doing addressing various issues in emerging. We gathered (except for Scot) the day before the symposium to go over drafts of our chapters. It was for me an enormously beneficial experience; both the colloquium at which we went over chapter drafts and the panel discussion.
Okay, now to the meat and potatoes. At the panel discussion, Mike Wittmer, a theologian at Grand Rapids Theological Seminary, asked the panel whether there are any beliefs that are necessary to be a Christian. He wanted to know if someone could be a follower of Christ and lack belief in the resurrection, for example. Each of the panel members was reluctant to answer the question. Speaking for myself, I said that I was reluctant only because belief admits of different grammars and that the question(er) suggested there was only one. I said there that belief must be thought of not synchronically (as happening at a specific point in time) but diachronically (as something that happens over time). I elaborated on this later on Mike Wittmer's blog.
Let me state briefly how I am thinking of belief and you good folks (if there are any of you left out there) can tell me what you think. The preferred grammar of the questioner is the grammar of assent, the view that belief is belief that: belief that Jesus was both God and human; belief that Jesus rose from the dead, etc. Here the idea is that belief is belief that certain propositions are true, and he wanted to know if in order to be a follower of Christ one must assent to certain propositions and if so, which ones.
My response was to tell a story about Pascal, who upon being told by a friend that he wanted to become a Christian, doesn't tell the guy what to believe; rather, Pascal tells him to "go to Mass and take the Eucharist."
The idea here is that belief can be the result of engaging in certain practices and rituals. Now most 21st Century, Western, Protestant Christians probably think that engaging in Christian practices or rituals follows on the heels of belief. Pascal suggests that the causal chain runs in the opposite direction, from practices and rituals to belief. Indeed, most of us probably think that belief is what brings about salvation itself and not salvation that brings about belief.
God, I take it, is never satisfied with belief that. God is interested in the total reorientation and rearrangement of our lives, our loves, our desires our entire way of being in the world. The important question is whether being a Christian is fundamentally and primarily about belief that certain propositions are true.
At the most basic level it seems clear to me that God is most interested in the total reorganization and reconfiguration of human life, of reorienting the human will, heart, desires and loves. God is interested in our moral and existential transformation. This of course is in no way incompatible with belief that certain propositions of the relevant sort are true. But the goal is transformed lives, not belief in "Jesus facts."
And this is why when asked whether followers of Christ must know and put their trust in him, I'm inclined to point out that "being a Christian" (like belief) is progressive, that I am even now, and after all these years still becoming a Christian. Followers of Christ must, of course, put their trust in him. I must put my trust in him: today I must; tomorrow I must, and the next day I must. My frustration with myself is that I often put my trust in Christ one moment and then take it back the next.
As to the resurrection and whether someone could become a follower of Jesus before they come to believe in the resurrection, this is what I said on MW's blog:
"I think that someone could become a follower of Jesus BEFORE they come to believe in the resurrection. But let me preface this…by saying that I agree that the resurrection of Jesus is indeed an essential piece of the Jesus story.
"Suppose you're a fledgling writer. And suppose you meet someone at a writer's workshop in Ann Arbor, another author with whom you share coffee and conversation during the breaks. Suppose this author speaks with you throughout the three day conference about the ins and outs of constructing plot and characters and does so in a way that you've never experienced before. You find yourself drawn to this author and to his words, even more so than the author leading the workshop. Suppose he has the effect of revolutionizing your own writing and that after all that time you spent together at the workshop you never bothered to get his last name. You knew him simply as John, the name on his name tag.
"Now suppose you go home utterly changed as a writer. Your writing from that workshop on is of a different caliber and gravitas than what preceded it. And then suppose that a week, a month, a year later you read an article in a writer's magazine about the weekend John Updike attended a workshop in Ann Arbor and about the many conversations he had with this fledgling writer from Grand Rapids. You're stunned! You're shocked! You spent three days conversing with John Updike, whose work you love, and you didn't even know it was John Updike. Now you do.
"The point of this little story is obvious. It's certainly possible for you to have an experience of someone, to have your life changed by this someone, without at that very moment knowing who or what that someone is or is about. I imagine the resurrected Jesus could draw people to himself without those people knowing at the time of meeting who he is or what he's done. Knowledge of that sort, if things go well, will come.
I went on to make a point about the resurrection itself.
"I want to stress again that the resurrection of Jesus gets its meaning and weight from the story it's embedded in. Apart from that story it's no more than a historical curiosity. I'm not interested in getting people simply to believe that a guy named Jesus was resurrected from the grave, and I doubt you [MW] are either. The good news is that our sins have been forgiven, that God has reconciled us, that there's a new way to be human and that everything has changed because of the incarnation, life, death AND resurrection of Jesus. The incarnation, life, death and resurrection of Jesus are themselves embedded in a six thousand year old, unfolding story of a bent and broken world and a God working for its restoration and renewal. In other words, the resurrection as an isolated factoid is not what is of paramount importance. It's the resurrection as part of God's program of love and reconciliation that is the issue of supreme importance."
Well, that was my last and final contribution to the discussion on Mike's blog. Thoughts?
22 comments:
- daniel said...
Glad to see you back in the arena! I've enjoyed the short life of this blog immensely.
Do you get the feeling that MW would agree or disagree with that final paragraph of yours?
Would he agree with it as far as it goes, but want to add more?
- Daniel Coleman
- February 8, 2009 at 8:05 PM
- Kevin Corcoran said...
I get the feeling he would agree, but want to add to it. But I dunno.
- February 8, 2009 at 10:24 PM
I loved this post. I think your ideas about belief are right on, and often ignored. Modern desires to assert correctness have boiled evangelism and even faith down to convincing people (including ourselves) of ideas without any radical life change. Thanks again.
- February 9, 2009 at 7:36 AM
- Stephen Krogh said...
Aristotle espouses a similar view in the Ethics. We are habituated by our actions, our surroundings, our character (which is formed by the previous two), etc., and then we come to knowledge or belief. So, someone, who is poorly habituated is simply not going to be able to come to proper belief (here the belief is in regards to Ethics, e.g. belief in the virtues and the appropriate actions, which spring therefrom). All of this is to say, that (along with Pascal) I agree that before someone believes Christ's and the Church's claims (some of which, I don't need to tell you, are incredible, she should try to pray, go to mass, live as though she believed God exists and any number of teachings in the church. It seems that belief can only arise after such things. In fact, it seems like we see this in our day to day lives. Children cannot possibly have a robust belief system regarding resurrection, the trinity (well, perhaps a robust knowledge of this one is impossible), etc., and yet we encourage them from a young age to be baptized, receive the Eucharist, pray, etc., with the hope that God will grant them a robust belief by imitating and habituating proper action.
I like it. Good to have you back.
- February 9, 2009 at 9:13 AM
- Kevin Corcoran said...
Yes. Exactly; the point is not a new one. I said in the discussion on Mike's blog that it strikes me that much of what he was saying is forgetful of the first 1500 or 1600 years of church history. And that the overly cerebral, overly cognitive view of belief excludes children and people with mental retardation from the ranks of fellow Christians. But, I think his view is probably the reigning view w/in evangelicalism.
Thanks for the Aristotle reference.
- February 9, 2009 at 9:22 AM
If Jesus Christ did not rise from the dead, He would be a liar/sinner and not God. We would be dead in our sins. But He is risen! -I Corinthians 15
Do you have an answer for the hope that is within you? -I Peter 3:15
The Word of God is Truth, not man's opinion.
- February 10, 2009 at 9:27 AM
- Christi said...
Hey Kev,
I am in full agreement with you. Where would you position the Bible in your idea? I would say that the Bible enlightens our experiences and affirms the propositions ("belief that").
great post!
- February 10, 2009 at 10:27 AM
By the way, the chicken came first. :-)
Without faith it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), and faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God (Romans 10:17).
Because the Word of God is Truth (John 17:17), it divides (Hebrews 4:12).
Don't put your trust in what feels right.
- February 10, 2009 at 10:45 AM
- Christi said...
hey Yooper, I don't think I fully understand where you are coming from. What assumptions are you making exactly? If I understand you correctly, your position is something like:
The Bible is the inerrant word of God and is therefore trustworthy. It is all that is necessary for knowing what is true; if we just choose to adopt what it says as the truth, then we...? are saved? will be good people? will go to heaven?
- February 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM
We all have a source for our beliefs, and the Word of God is mine. We can read very clearly in John 3 the answer that Jesus Christ gave to a man who asked how he could be born again. We can read of the Philippian jailer (Acts 16:30,31) who asked Paul, "what must I do to be saved?"
We need beliefs and we need to live those beliefs out. Don't get the cart in front of the horse.
Take care.
- February 10, 2009 at 1:50 PM
- Christi said...
Hey Yooper,
I think we are in agreement :) We need beliefs, we need to live them out. So is the question "where does authority lie? In the text or in experience?" I like to read Lauren Winner a lot, she's a smart lady. She explained how following the rituals of prayer and Eucharist sustained her faith during times when she struggled with belief. So maybe the Spirit works through experiences as well as the scripture.
- February 10, 2009 at 2:59 PM
I would have to say that authority lies in the Word of God - experiences can vary.
- February 10, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Hey Christi,
I bet you are like me in that "pat answers" just don't cut it.
I hadn't been a Christian very long when I was asked the question, "if I was to die and Jesus was to ask me why He should let me into His heaven, what would I say?" That question blew me away. I didn't know what to say; I took the question literally - I hadn't heard that there was a part II of salvation. My friend (who grew up in a Christian home) knew the answer - because I have Jesus in my heart. :-)
- February 10, 2009 at 3:47 PM
- Christi said...
Yooper, Yep. I am not an easy-answers kind of gal. I grew up in a christian home with a Mom who told me that if I didn't accept Jesus into my heart I would go to hell. She failed to explain that having Jesus in my heart meant that I would be spend my life on the incredible journey of sanctification. She also failed to explain that there are more questions than answers and when we are really honest about it we just have to obediently submit to God in trust that He is God and we are not. I am becoming more and more convinced that hell is a place here right now on earth, and so is heaven. We see glimpses of both and when Jesus comes back we will know fully what we only see in part. I believe the Word of God was a person and I believe He is still living and active among us and in us. It's so much more vibrant than a simple set of writings. If we want to know truth, we need to know Jesus, and I think we can both agree on that. Certainly it's a little harder to police such a statement. I have heard people on more than one occasion assert that God told them to do something that seemed... well, less than Biblical. And while I probably challenged them on it a bit, ultimately I believe it's between them and God. We do all have to answer for the time that is given us. I think Jesus is the plumbline for our time here. If I am not inline with him, then I am off course and am in need of intervention (ie Grace). Anyway... I could go on and on. And I do.. on my own blog. Which you can visit at http://thegroundkeepspulling.blogspot.com
- February 10, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Kevin - I believe the idea that there are a set of standard beliefs that makes us a Christian is our way of wanting to reduce being a Christian down to something that we can control and achieve. It really shook me up when I first encountered the idea that believing certain things did not make me a Christian because it makes being a Christian much more demanding. At this point I am sure that someone will jump to the conclusion that I am promoting a salvation that requires works - let me say that I am not saying that at all. I believe that what Jesus did is completely sufficient. What I do believe is that being a Christian (I prefer Christ follower) is all about following the way of Jesus - the way he lived, loved, thought etc. My thoughts no longer go from thinking of being a Christian to "does that mean I will go to heaven" - now my thoughts go from thinking of being a Christian to "am I like Jesus". I think that making personal salvation the central goal of being a Christian makes us unable (from that perspective) to understand the gospel of Jesus Christ. So when I hear the question "Are there certain things a person HAS to believe in order to be a Christian?" I immediately think "that's the wrong question". I am not sure exactly what the question should be but I think it would be something along the lines of asking if a person is committed to following the way/ideals of Jesus, learning from him and becoming like him.
- February 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM
I would agree with that last paragraph, and indeed, most all of what you have written. My only point is that we can't have "belief in" Jesus without a "belief that" about Jesus. Of course I don't think "belief that" is enough, for even demons believe and tremble. I just don't understand how a person can follow Jesus if he or she does not know who he is. That's it. But we've been down this road before, so I'll understand if it's time for this thread to end (though your readers might be interested in it).
- February 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Kevin -
Thanks for your thoughts. I'm still trying to get my mind around what you're saying...
You state, "The good news is that our sins have been forgiven, that God has reconciled us..." I'm curious to know who exactly would you say comprise the who/us in that statement? Thanks again for your input.
- February 11, 2009 at 8:16 PM
- Kevin Corcoran said...
Hey Pete,
I think the "us" is all of us. Some of us realize this good news and others of us, sadly, don't. Some of us glory in it and others of us live in ignorance of it or even in open rebellion against it. But I believe God was in Christ reconciling the whole world to himself and that includes all of us.
- February 12, 2009 at 8:51 PM
"...But I believe God was in Christ reconciling the whole world to himself and that includes all of us."
What does this mean?
- February 14, 2009 at 9:54 PM
I recently came accross your blog and have been reading along. I thought I would leave my first comment. I dont know what to say except that I have enjoyed reading. Nice blog. I will keep visiting this blog very often.
- February 26, 2009 at 9:37 AM
- Ryan Herr said...
Just came across this blog through a blog search for "grammar of assent". Do you believe that you are using the phrase in a related way to how John Henry Newman used it?
Also, here's a tip: You may want to check out At the Origin of the Christian Claim by Luigi Giussani.
- June 1, 2009 at 9:55 AM
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- November 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM


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Welcome to my blog and the place where I will post my photos and musings from my life as an ultrarunner. My nickname "Shining" was given to me by a group of very special students after I finished my first 100-miler, the Massanutten Mountain Trails 100. They were the inspiration that enabled me to finish this awesome race, and I try to live each day with a "shining" attitude!
Wednesday, April 7, 2010
Lessons from The Barkley
photo by Mike Bur
"There was a day when the Barkley runner need go no further than the trailhead to get out of the comfort zone.
You all know about the comfort zone.
That's where most ultras take place.
Running ultras is all about staying in the comfort zone.
All our strategies revolve around staying in the comfort zone.
All our advice is about staying in the comfort zone;
"Start slow"
"Walk every uphill"
"Don't take any chances"
For all the talk about exploring human potential, and seeking our limits, Ultrarunners tend to play it safe.
They line up "challenges" they know they can finish.
And run them carefully
Well within their "limits".
We believe that success is never failing.
At the Barkley success is about over-reaching our abilities,
and living to tell about it.
Sometimes success is getting your ass out alive.
Some people "get" the Barkley. Some don't.
But the Barkley is all about leaving the comfort zone.
The Barkley is about taking our chances with failure.
True success is not the absence of failure,
It is the refusal to surrender.
--excerpt from 2010 Barkley report by Lazarus Lake, Barkley RD
When I read Laz's report last week after inov-8 teammate JB Basham became the 9th finisher of the Barkley Marathons, I started thinking---a lot---about why I run ultras. I have always admired Laz's insights on the intersection of life and ultrarunning. He has a wonderfully poetic way of expressing what many of us think about, and he does a great job of getting us to question our prior assumptions.
When I forwarded this to my buddy Mike Bur---a Last Great Race finisher and Barkley 2.5-looper-- his response was this:
"Normally, we can control many of the aspects of any given event. Part of the Barkley experience, particularly for the virgin, is surrendering that control and availing oneself to the unknown -- that's what holding you back, in my observation."
Yes, I took the bait that Bur left so deftly in the email. I started asking myself if I truly had the guts to let go and surrender to the unknown. It's interesting to look at my race plans for 2010 and see the races I have lined up---all are events I have run before, have comfort in by knowing the course, and all are well within Laz's definition of the comfort zone that I *think* I am leaving when I race... but don't really.
Hmmm...so what does that say about me as an ultrunner? Bur knows. As a Barker and a Hardrock finisher, he knows that after 8 years of running tough races like Grindstone, Hellgate and Highland Sky, I haven't even begun to stretch myself. That doesn't mean that I have to run the Barkley for that next test, but I am inspired by the spirit of the event like no other. I have read everything I can about its history and traditions, and deeply respect the unspoken "rules" that keep it mysterious and mythical. Its mere presence on the ultra calendar is a reminder that I need to get off some of the candy ass trails I love so much and take a chance on failing.
If you need some inspiration on stretching yourself as a person and as a runner, read a bit about the Barkley. I am grateful there is an event out there that honors the old time ways of our sport and challenges its participants to strive for excellence (even if it takes many years---and failure), and to let go and live.
"You don't have to go to Barkley to "get it".
"it" is nothing more than putting something on the line
taking a chance and trying to do something you do not know for certain you can do.
There is no success
if failure is not in the mix.
And this is why the "sick-o's" keep applying and re-applying at Barkley. This is why there are so many requests for so few slots. This is why those lucky 35 strap it on and march into a hellish ordeal with a smile on their face and a song in their heart.
Because we are never so alive as when we put it all on the line. And at Barkley the only guarantee is that you will be pushed beyond your limits. Everything is on the line."
--Lazarus Lake
Endurance Planet's podcast interview with JB Basham--very good
A repeat of Endurance Planet's podcast of "The Marathon No One Could Finish" based on Blake Wood's essay in Running Through The Wall---also very good.
Matt Mahoney's Barkley page with photos---addicting
5 comments:
- Alan said...
You drive home a good point. We all do our favorite races over and over again, but after the first one all the subsequent ones are accomplished without the threat of failure. I think we all fall into the trap of thinking we're doing all this to stretch our limits or some other cliche' but in reality it is very seldom that we ever really put it all on the line. This was apparent to me after finishing my first MMT in 2006. After the race I wrote
"I had wanted to experience MMT for myself. And yes indeed. I did. I found success beyond anything imagined. I think somewhere, out there, just out of reach, that I'd foolishly thought there might just be some answers to be found. Who am I? What am I made of? What am I capable of? These answers, of course, aren't to be found among the rocks and trails; the woodlands, whippoorwills, lady slippers, peaks and valleys of the Massanuttens. Nor are they waiting there at the end of that grassy lawn.
But in the reprieve that comes at the end of a sunny day, captured within the melancholy that comes at the end of the great adventure, the world sheds it's urgency and desires. And with calmness and clarity something sacred is revealed. I'm more."
The best description of "pushing" our limits I've ever read came from mountain climber Al Alvarez when he wrote
""But every year you need to flush out your system and do a bit of suffering. It does you a power of good. I think it's because there is always a question mark about how you would perform. You have an idea of yourself and it can be quite a shock when you don't come up to your own expectations. If you just tootle along you can think you're a pretty slick bloke until things go wrong and you find you're nothing like what you imagined yourself to be. But if you deliberately put yourself in difficult situations, then you get a pretty good idea of how you are going. That's why I like feeding the rat. It's a sort of annual check-up on myself. The rat is you, really. It's the other you, and it's being fed by the you you think you are. And they are often very different people. But when they come close to each other, that's smashing, that is. Then the rat's had a good meal and you come away feeling terrific. It's a fairly rare thing, but you have to keep feeding the brute for your own peace of mind. And even if you did blow it, at least there wouldn't be that great unknown. But to snuff it without knowing who you are and what you are capable of, I can't think of anything sadder than that."
Let's get out there and give our rat a good meal!
- April 8, 2010 at 8:41 AM
- alyssa said...
Sophie -
This is probably my favorite post of yours to date! Great job!
Very thought provoking...It's funny because just last month I was explaining to my Dad about Barkley. He naturally said "but you wouldn't want to do THAT would you?" I said no, probably not, knowing in the back of my head that my answer was only 50% true.
You're right. In many ways the Barkley does hold the ultimate test to ultrarunning, the human mind, and the human spirit. But at the same time, when I read "we are never so alive as when we put it all on the line" the first thing that comes to mind is the question of who is to say where each others individual "line" may be. For me, sometimes it's a new 50k course, othertimes it's a 50 mile course I have done several times over. And the biggest lesson we all know about ultrarunning, is that every race and every distance remains a test - no matter how many times you have run the course.
Ultrarunning has it's notable races - Western States, Hardrock, Barkley, JFK, Badwater, etc. Only having done two of those, and 20+ other races, I can honestly say I wouldn't trade the smaller races(highland sky, Bull run, GEER, etc) for anything. While the "famous races" may be fun to conquer one day, they're not the reason I run - the other races are.
- April 8, 2010 at 2:57 PM
- Rick Gray said...
You seem to have a knack for getting us to think about ourselves and what we do as a past time (if you can call it a past time). I do know that we will not improve as a runner or grow as a person, if we do not challenge ourself. You make an excellent point as to how we challenge ourself. Other than a hard 100 miler, I go into every race knowing (unless I get hurt) that I will get through it. I never question the issue of a dnf and I certainly run within myself to accomplish my goal. Is my goal high enough, long enough or tough enough. It is funny that we are talking about Barkley, but just last week I ordered Frozen Ed Furrow's book "Tales From Out There". It came in yesterday's mail. After reading your post, I will certainly read that book in a new light. Thank you for helping us to step out of our box.
- April 8, 2010 at 5:18 PM
- Sophie Speidel said...
Thanks, everyone, for your thoughtful comments. I am glad this post elicited such long responses so we can all benefit from one another's experiences.
When I read Laz's report for the very first time my reaction was "WOW". He got me to think about racing ultras in a totally different way---his arguments may have been obvious to most people, but not to me. When I broke 15 hours at Hellgate, for example, I was thrilled because everything in my race plan "worked" to perfection and nothing went wrong. I was totally within my comfort zone throughout the race because I knew the course, the weather was perfect, and all I had to do was run as hard as I could to get it done. It was exhilarating to finish---don't get me wrong---but after reading Laz's thoughts on leaving the comfort zone of traditional ultras, I realized that I had set myself up very nicely within my comfort zone for Hellgate...even inside the "pain cave" HA!
Alan, thanks for sharing the quote from Al Alvarez. He sums it up so nicely.
Alyssa, I agree---the big events of our sport are fun to try but the smaller, more obscure races and training runs (i.e. Catawba, Three Days of Syllamo, TWOT) are where I want to spend most of my time. I am still not sure I will ever end up "out there" at the Barkley but I certainly would jump at the chance to help someone else and observe the mystery of the event from up close. I also agree that each person has their personal "line" that they toe---whether it's their first 50K, 50M or 100M, or a race they have done before but have never gotten right.
Rick, I want to get a copy of that book! Let me know what you think---it looks fascinating.
Happy Trails out there, all!
- April 9, 2010 at 8:55 AM
- ultrarunnergirl said...
Really great post, Sophie! Thanks for getting the wheels turning. Half the fun of ultras is the contemplation involved.
Knowing you, I've a feeling you'll be down south before too long for that challenge.
- April 14, 2010 at 12:53 PM

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Monday, October 17, 2011
Curried Cauliflower Rice
I love a lot of the vegetable that lots of people don't.
I love cabbage and Brussel sprouts and artichokes and broccoli and turnips and spinach and I love cauliflower.
I do draw the line at beets and lima beans. I just can't eat 'em, but cauliflower. I LOVE.
Maybe my Mom instilled my love for it when I was younger. She would bread it and fry it and it would get all golden and crispy around the edges and the flavor was nothing like the taste of raw cauliflower. I need to make her cauliflower and share it with you guys, but for now I bring you this Curried Cauliflower Rice.
This beautiful one pot meal that looks as lovely as it tastes.
My friend Krysta posted this a few weeks ago.
The minute I saw it I knew I had to make it for my Dad. He's a cauliflower lover like me.
I am a wimp when it comes to heat, so I reduced the curry to just 2 teaspoons. After tasting it, I think I really could have put in the 4 teaspoons. There really wasn't heat, just great flavor. I also skipped the cilantro cause I'm one of "those" people who thinks it tastes like soap.
I also substituted jasmine rice for the basmati cause when I went to look for my basmati I then realized...I was out! So jasmine it was. Worked perfectly too!
One Pot Curried Cauliflower Rice
from Everyday Food and Evil Chef Mom
4 teaspoons vegetable oil
1 large head cauliflower, cored and cut into 1 1/2 pieces
salt and pepper
1 medium yellow onion, diced small
2 cups of basmati rice
4 teaspoons curry powder
1 can (15.5 ounces) chickpeas, rinsed and drained
2 3/4 cups of low sodium chicken or vegetable broth
1/2 cup heavy cream
chopped cilantro
Preheat oven to 400 degrees. In a Dutch oven or other heavy pot, heat 2 teaspoons oil over medium high. Add cauliflower and cook, stirring frequently, until browned in spots. This might need to be done in batches.
Transfer to a plate and season with salt and pepper. Add 2 teaspoons of oil and onions to pot; cook, stirring occasionally , until onion is translucent, 5 minutes. Add rice, curry powder, and chickpeas and season with salt and pepper. Cook, stirring constantly, until rice is coated, about 2 minutes. Add broth and cream and bring to a boil. Scatter cauliflower over the top (do not stir to combine) Cover and bake until rice is tender and liquid is absorbed, 15 minutes. Let cool for 10 minutes before serving. Sprinkle with cilantro before serving.
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Getting squeezed between traffic and parked cars riding down Western Ave in downtown Seattle, I looked over and mouthed the words in an exaggerated manner (much like that Shout video from Tears for Fears)
The drivers didn't care, much like the driver in this photo from Market street in San Francisco, and kept right on with their day. I don't know the current status of sharrows, if they're considered a success or not, but I'm still recommending to cyclist to get out into traffic, make sure they see you, and stay away from the car doors.
During the Stone Way uproar, I thought that street is the least of our problems. Western is a major bikeway as is Alaskan Way, and Mercer is the worst, most dangerous intersection in the city, possibly the the country. I ride right down the middle of the lane going north and sidewalk it going south.
Seattle isn't unique in dealing with the right hook or car/bike solutions, in Brooklyn, they're considering Door Zones and in Portland, they've started painting bike boxes.
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(Reuters) - American Zach Johnson birdied the second hole of a sudden death playoff to beat compatriot Troy Matteson and capture the John Deere Classic in Silvis, Illinois on Sunday.
It was the second PGA Tour title of the year for the 2007 Masters champion, who celebrated his ninth career win with hugs from his children on the 18th green before heading off to board a charter plane put on by the tournament sponsor to fly him to Britain for next week's British Open.
"It just feels awesome, I can't really put it into words," Johnson, who is on the board of the directors for the John Deere tournament, told reporters. "This tournament has meant so much to me and my family over the years.
"I don't know if you can rank any of them (titles). They're all so ultimately special.
"Augusta is Augusta, you really can't push anything past that but I am really going to enjoy this one because this is supremely special."
The playoff began looking as if it was a tournament neither man wanted to win with Johnson's drive on the first playoff hole finding the fairway bunker. Matteson could do no better landing deep in the trees.
Attempting to punch out, Matteson watched his second shot skid across the fairway into the water where he was soon joined by Johnson both eventually carding messy double-bogeys.
Back on the 18th tee, Johnson found the same fairway bunker but this time produced a brilliant second shot that rolled within two feet of the pin leaving him a routine putt for birdie and the win.
Matteson with a two-under 69 and Johnson with a bogey-free 65 finished regulation at 20-under par 264 after a rollercoaster final round.
American Scott Piercy also returned an error free 65 to finish alone in third with 18-under 266.
Johnson began the day four shots behind Matteson, who had topped the leaderboard since firing a course record equaling opening round of 10-under 61.
Matteson saw his lead trimmed to a single stroke several times over the final round but fought off all challengers until he double-bogeyed the 15th and Johnson drained birdies at 13 and 14 to replace him atop the leaderboard.
Another birdie at 17 gave Johnson a two-shot cushion stepping onto the 18th tee but Matteson was not ready to surrender.
With victory fading, Matteson cancelled out his double-bogey in dramatic fashion rolling in a 60-foot putt for eagle at the par five 17th, the ball ringing the cup before falling into the hole to regain a share of the lead.
"I'm kind of shocked I got into a playoff because I just didn't play my best today but kind of hung in there," said Matteson. "Luckily that putt went in on 17.
"All in all, you go into a playoff and lose to a shot like that, I mean, that's an unbelievable shot.
"My hat's off to Zach. He drove it in the bunker twice and figured out a way to win."
Three-time defending champion Steve Stricker had been well positioned to make a late charge for a fourth consecutive crown but watched his chances disappear with back-to-back bogeys at 14 and 15 to fall four shots off the pace with three to play.
Stricker hit back with a birdie at 16 but was quickly in trouble again with a bogey at the 17th to finish with a one-under 70 and a tie for fifth.
Young Tom Morris, Walter Hagan, Gene Sarazen and Tiger Woods are the only male players who have won a tournament in four consecutive years.
"It was different. It was weird," said Stricker. "Wasn't that I wasn't focused and into it, I just didn't feel that like something good was going to happen.
"Maybe I was trying too hard. I don't know really what it was.
"I was trying to win the golf tournament. I wasn't worried about four in a row, I was just trying to win."
(Reporting by Steve Keating in Toronto; Editing by Greg Stutchbury)


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by Marshall Hanson, CAPT USNR (Ret), Director of Legislation
ROA was invited to Capitol Hill to try to fix a problem which threats the job security for veterans and Reserve Component members returning to work, but still needing military medical treatment.
Returning veterans are falling through a crack in the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act (USERRA). Those injured or disabled National Guard and Reserve members who were separated from active duty, as well as individuals discharged who still need medical treatment are finding that they don't have protection they need under current law.
Many Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines want to be sent home rather than kept on medical hold. So, they are promised medical care following discharge. The problem that arises is that they must take time away from employment to go to either a Military Medical Treatment Facility or the Veterans Administration. When civilian sick leave runs out, many employers threaten job security if the veterans continue to take time off for treatment. They aren't covered by USERRA because they aren't under military orders.
Representative Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) received some reports about veterans in
ROA, the Enlisted Association of the National Guard of the
One of the challenges faced is finding individuals in this situation who have actually had their jobs threatened. The information that reached Rep. Doggett's office was from sources that must remain anonymous. If ROA can put a face to the problem, Congress will listen.
See ROA Law Review number 168 that addresses this issue.


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Freddie Mac posts $4.6B net income
WASHINGTON Mortgage giant Freddie Mac earned $4.6 billion from January through March, helped by a stronger housing market. The government-controlled company has now turned a profit in its past six quarters.
Freddie said Wednesday that it paid a dividend of $7 billion to the U.S. Treasury from its first-quarter earnings and requested no additional federal aid. The earnings compared with net income of $577 million in the first quarter of 2012.
The government rescued Freddie and larger sibling Fannie Mae during the financial crisis after both incurred massive losses on risky mortgages. Taxpayers have spent about $170 billion to them, the costliest bailout of the crisis. So far, the companies have repaid a combined $62.2 billion.
Under a federal policy adopted last summer, Fannie and Freddie must turn over their quarterly profits to the government.
The companies are benefiting from a housing recovery that began a year ago. Record-low mortgage rates and slow but steady job growth have helped bring buyers back to the market. Home sales and construction have increased. And home prices are rising at the fastest pace six years, driven by higher demand and a limited supply of homes for sale.
For Fannie and Freddie, a better housing market means fewer delinquent loans on their books. The improvement has also allowed the companies to charge mortgage lenders higher fees to guarantee the loans.
Fannie and Freddie don't actually make loans. Rather, they buy mortgages from lenders, package them as bonds, guarantee them against default and sell them to investors. In doing so, they help make loans available and exert influence over the housing market.
Together, Fannie and Freddie own or guarantee about half of U.S. mortgages -- nearly 31 million home loans worth $5 trillion. And along with other federal agencies, they back about 90 percent of new mortgages.
Freddie, based in McLean, Va., requested no government aid in the second, third and fourth quarters last year, after asking for $19 million in the first quarter. The company received $7.6 billion for all of 2011 and $13 billion for all of 2010.
The Obama administration proposed a plan in 2011 to slowly dissolved Fannie and Freddie, with the goal of shrinking the government's role in the mortgage finance system. But Congress hasn't yet decided how far the government's role should be reduced.


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XIBALBA Ancients LP
While NWN! has immense respect for and was highly influenced by much of the Black Metal output of the 1990s, very little of it still retains as much of its original allure as that created by Mexicos earliest masters, Xibalba. Those who are familiar with their only album, Ah Dzam Poop Ek, originally released by the infamous Guttural Records in 1994, already know what to expect. This is Black Metal distilled to its most primitive essence. Ancients features the 1992 In Lucescitae Tristis Hiei demo as well as a rehearsal recording from 1994. While drawing their musical inspiration from the same sources as the Norwegian Black Metal pioneers of the early 1990s (Bathory, Hellhammer, Sodom, etc.), Xibalba turned toward the ancient traditional Mayan culture for guidance in their rejection of the Catholic plague infesting Mexico. The result is Raw Black Metal perfection similar in some ways to their contemporaries, but still distinctively Xibalba. While technically simple, Xibalba focus on chord progressions so distinctive and clear that the listener is instantly captivated. Rather than overdrive the recording with heavy distortion and a blown-out mix, the instruments are all clear and crisp thus allowing the chords and notes to blend seamlessly to produce a lush and pure and, at times, epic sound not dissimilar to Darkthrone. Furthermore, Xibalba rely heavily on rudimentary heavy rock riffs that keep the music firmly grounded in the metal traditions that originally spawned the Black Metal movement. The vocals, however, often delivered in the tongue of their Mayan ancestors, evoke a sinister hostility that summons the valiant warrior spirit of the ancients to avenge the deaths of the majestic ancient cultures at the hands of the puny and wretched christian vermin that spread through the land leaving behind their legions of weak-minded slaves. Ancients comes in high quality jacket with double sided poster insert. Die Hard version comes on green vinyl and features an extra 7 that includes two 1992 rehearsal tracks never before released, and an embroidered patch and sticker.
**Die Hard version with a bonus 7″ will be out in two weeks or less.
HELLIAS Revenge of Hellias LP
Revenge of Hellias is the demo that the Polish Evil Thrash maniacs Hellias recorded in 1988. Not to be confused with the Cassette EP released the same year, Night of Damnation, which was reissued on vinyl last year by NWN!, this demo is nothing short of sinister thrash mastery. Vicious and wicked, Hellias do not play fun thrash made for crossover wimps. This is metal made to summon the darkness and annihilate the light. The riffs are fast, heavy, and played with precision and nothing is overly distorted or intentionally obscured. The vocals and lyrics are intensely evil approaching a sound reminiscent of the earliest Black Metal. The end result is a sound that sears the mind and rips the flesh. Hellias has been criminally overlooked for years and now NWN! is seeking to breathe new death into the air by completing the release of the two earliest recordings by this legendary band. Comes on black vinyl and includes pro-printed color poster and pro-printed zine style booklet. Die Hard comes on colored vinyl and also includes patch and sticker.
**Die Hard version with patch and sticker will be out in two weeks or less.
DAMAAR Triumph Through Spears of Sacrilege MCD
While most bands fantasize about war and glorify violence they have never witnessed, Damaar hail from Lebanon where war perpetually looms. Furthermore, Damaars devotion to metal can hardly be questioned. In order to protect themselves from retaliation by the government, they were forced to distribute their demo by mp3 rather than tape or CD. Thus in the face powerful religious zealots, Damaar persisted in pursuing its evil directives. After relocating to Australia, Damaar was able to finally send out a proper (non-mp3) master and collect artwork for the vinyl release of their demo on NWN! This assault is pure aural bestial blasphemy in the style of Black Witchery, Revenge and others. Conceptually, Damaar invoke anti-religious warfare towards all those weak and feeble-minded followers of all false gods. The band is currently inactive following its move to Australia and its future is uncertain. Nonetheless, this crushingly violent demo now preserved on vinyl will ensure that Damaar is ranked prominently among the bestial legions.
MORBOSIDAD Morbosidad / Cojete a Dios Por el Culo CD
Since the early days of NWN!, Morbosidad has been one of the bands most closely allied with the label. Now, in 2008, Morbosidad stands poised to declare unholy war once more with its monstrous third album. In anticipation of their ungodly return, NWN! has reissued the first two chapters of the Morbosidad history on one CD. The self-titled first album, released in 2000 and now long out of print, is finally available once again for those who care to venture into the darkest chambers of Morbosidads sadistic world. Combined with this is the excruciatingly bestial second album released in 2004, Cojete a Dios Por El Culo. Both of these albums helped lay the foundation for the Bestial Black Death movement that has since grown uncontrollably and is today spreading its putrid sickness throughout every piece of this rotten planet. No one who professes devotion to blasphemous underground bestial metal should be unfamiliar with these releases.
Hypothermia Gråtoner LP in stock
NWN is the official US distributor of Hypothermia Gråtoner LP released by Turannum.
New recording from this Swedish melancholic black metal band. The 180 gram heavy vinyl comes with 350 gram gatefold jacket and includes A3-poster.
Nocturnal Graves Satans Cross CD
After releasing some exceptional demos and a picture 7 since they formed in 2004, Nocturnal Graves at last release their first full length LP. An appropriate and honorable addition to the NWN! roster, Nocturnal Graves play searing and aggressive metal in the true Australian barbarian tradition. These songs are far from generic, however. The trio of marauders known as Nocturnal Graves creates maniacal deathrash untainted by all non-metal influences. All of the members are well known in the Australian scene and their professionalism and devotion to their demonic craft is apparent in every riff they have written for this album. In addition to the attention to detail paid to their songwriting, the band spent many hours in the studio to achieve flawless production. The end result is something similar in style and artistry to Ares Kingdoms Return to Dust yet retaining some of the inherent bestiality that pervades the Australian scene. Ultimately, this is how deathrash should be played and recorded. All other inferior bands should take lessons from these masters.
Snakepit Mag #16 + Death Dealer 7″ Out Now
While webzines have almost exterminated what was known as fanzines back when Metal was damn strong and full of feeling, theres still a few survivors that refuse to join the easy way, Snakepit magazine being one of those. Time for a new Metal strike with issue 16 having just been unleashed by the dogs of war! This new issue features as usual possibly the most in depth interviews you will ever read in the Metal scene with past Metallic heroes such as AFTERMATH, AGGRESSION (Canada), ANGUS, APOCALYPSE (U.K.), ARCHENEMY (The one and ONLY ARCHENEMY from L.A.!), CHEMIKILL, CYNIC, DEATH FORCE, DEATH STRIKE, DEVASTATION (IL), EXHORDER, FIRESTORM, HELL, JJS POWERHOUSE, LABEL SPECIAL (RAVE ON RECORDS!!), MASTER, SARDO, SCEPTRE, SINDROME, TRANSGRESSOR, VERMIN but also actual Metal heroes such as AGENT STEEL (possibly the most in depth feature ever done on them with original drummer Chuck Proffus!), CRUCIFIED MORTALS, FIRELAND, GAUNTLET, INFERNAL MAJESTY, HIBRIA, RAZOR (bassist Mike Campagnolo explains his return and more!), SEPTER, THRUSTOR and the legendary WITCHFINDER GENERAL!!! Over 106 pages filled with nothing but molten Metal, done by fans for fans!!!! And if its not enough to fulfil your appetite, theres also a DEATH DEALER 2 song live 7 included available exclusively with this new issue. This Canadian Power Metal act were a leading band back in the mid 80s and were part of that new Metallic wave that invaded the world (EXCITER, ANVIL, RAPID TEARS, CULPRIT, JAG PANZER, WITCHKILLER, METALICA being some other names) but due to certain circumstances they never managed to achieve the success they deserved after the recording of two albums. Discover them again with those two exclusive live tracks recorded when the band was at its peak back in 1984!
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is the death dealer green still available?
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is the death dealer green still available?
Brandon says, "Sleeves off, patches on."
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yeah I know but question was if its sold out or not
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yeah I know but question was if its sold out or not
no. there are still a few left.
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i hope they last till WFG
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Next releases:
Witchfinder General "buried amongst the ruins" LP+7" out next week
Sacriphyx "lone pine" 7" out in two weeks
Morbosidad new CD out in two weeks
Morbosidad new LP out in three weeks
Order From Chaos "stillbirth machine" LP out in five weeks
Order From Chaos "an ending in fire" LP out in five weeks
Ares Kingdom "firestorms and chaos" CD out in three weeks
Ares Kingdom zip up hoodie out in three weeks
Ignivomous TS out in three weeks
Morbosidad TS out in three weeks
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Wil any Euro distros carry the Xibalba Die Hard?
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And I was thinking in release some new stuff with my tax refund.....
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What about the Stargazer split something with I can't remember who?
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I'm buying 1 of each
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I must buy WFG and Order Of Chaos.
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Damaar and morbosidad were ordered!
You'll be implicated in crimes using these evil doppelgangers. Then i'll collect the bounty placed on your heads...
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Loyal readers will remember that a few months back I announced a super-tacular program Specialized was running, inviting people to compete for the one-year use of a Specialized Stumpjumper as part of their Trail Crew program. You might also remember that I shamelessly plugged for myself to be a recipient of said awesome-ass bike.
Well, I did. I'm now officially part of the Stumpjumper Trail Crew and this, my good readers is a photo of my new love Stumpy, just built up after finally getting it away from the idiots at Fedex Ground.
This means three things. First, I'm going to be doing a lot more mountain bike riding again (whoooo hoooooo). Second, I'll be blogging about it on our new Specialized-hosted blogs (when they're done being built, ahem,) and third, I'll be putting a disclaimer in all of my posts about Specialized bikes and mention that I'm a Trail Crew guy. It's only fair.
I'll be shooting on and off this bike a lot and inviting people to come on group rides. In fact, my first group ride is planned for Wednesday the 11th of November at Stewart Air Force Base in NY. If you're interested please send me a tweet @davidjschloss and I'll get you the info.
Now, it's time to ride.


text: Korean Job Discussion Forums :: View topic - Kahunaville Speak Korean Now! Korean Job Discussion Forums"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!" FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Register Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in Kahunaville Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> FAQ View previous topic :: View next topic Author Message Ella BellaJoined: 15 Mar 2003Location: Seoul Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 6:39 am Post subject: Kahunaville I've just got back from dinner at Kahunaville in Gangnam. It was the worst meal I've had for ages and that's including the dried squid forced on me yesterday. Okay here's a list of problems: 1. Took 10 minutes to get the waitress to come over even though there were more staff than diners. 2. Forgot about the drinks we ordered. 3. Then got the drink order wrong. 4. Took 45 minutes to get our food. 5. Burger and fries was fine but my chicken jambalya was cold and tasteless. I didn't complain but I would have if I'd been at home. My advice is even though the menu looks nice, STAY AWAY. Back to top whatthefunkJoined: 21 Apr 2003Location: Dont have a clue Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 6:40 am Post subject: This sort of thing wouldn't happen in Pohang. Back to top mysteriousdeltaraysJoined: 07 Feb 2003Location: Food Pyramid Bldg. 5F, 77 Sunset Strip, Alphaville Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 10:42 am Post subject: It sounds like a horrible experience. Are you going to be OK? Back to top kylehawkins2000Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 4:07 pm Post subject: Is it the one by the express bus terminal? Or is there another one? I've eaten there and had no problem. I do find the prices are a little high in comparison to the quality however. Back to top gomurrJoined: 04 Feb 2003 Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 5:51 pm Post subject: Never been there but it does remind me of the countless times I went to a supposedly western restaurant. The menu looks great with pictures of really tasty food and good beer. But when you are ready to order you find out that half the stuff doesn't exist and the steak that you ordered is nothing more than regular duncass and instead of caesar salad you get cabbage covered in mayo with a side of ketchup. Your choice of beer turns out to be all the Korean ones with the usual compliment of budweiser. Talk about false advertisment. i don't even bother going to those types of restaurants anymore. I stick to TGI Fridays, Bennigans, Pizza Hut or the Outback because what you see is what you get. Back to top Ryst HelmutJoined: 26 Apr 2003Location: In search of the elusive signature... Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:17 pm Post subject: Coincidence Sweet coincidence....last weekend drove up to Seoul for by dog's vet. check up....and had to drive down that road that is parallel to the expresslessway (and leads on to Hannam dae-gyo) . Saw the Kahunaville restaurant...thought it looked sweet, and planned on having our group's dinner (before the next get-together) there... Danke for the heads up...guess back to square 1 - BK. Shoosh, R yst Back to top chronicprideJoined: 16 Jan 2003 Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:03 pm Post subject: FWIW, I went there on Monday and had a great time. The decor and ambience is far better than the other casual fine-dining outfits, plus the menu selection is better than the others, IMO (or at least, good for a change). The food presentation is really cool. The drink menu is excellent and has a great variety of tropical drinks. The food selection is great, the food taste didn't disappoint, either (although wasn't earth-shattering). The customer service was overly attentive, but mind you, it was a slow Monday. Downside is that it can be expensive. We dropped 100K between the two of us. Worth a visit, at least once, to size up for yourself. (Don't forget to buy a Pez dispenser at the front desk on the way out. ) Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> FAQ All times are GMT - 8 Hours Page 1 of 1 Jump to: Select a forum Forums:----------------FAQJob-related Discussion ForumGeneral Discussion ForumOff-Topic ForumTravel ForumCurrent Events ForumTechnology ForumBuy/Sell/Trade Forum You cannot post new topics in this forumYou cannot reply to topics in this forumYou cannot edit your posts in this forumYou cannot delete your posts in this forumYou cannot vote in polls in this forum This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling. Contact Dave's ESL Cafe Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved. Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe


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JOLIET, Ill.-- The rich got richer.
Matt Kenseth, the top seed in the Chase for the NASCAR Sprint Cup, added to his advantage in Sunday's rain-interrupted GEICO 400 at Chicagoland Speedway.
With a strong push from Kevin Harvick after a restart with on Lap 245 of 267, Kenseth pulled away to beat Joe Gibbs Racing teammate Kyle Busch to the checkered flag by .749 seconds and deny Busch the second three-series weekend sweep of his career.
The victory was Kenseth's sixth of the season, tops in the Cup series, and his most ever in a single season. The driver of the No. 20 Joe Gibbs Racing Toyota claimed his first win at Chicagoland and the 30th of his career, 22nd on the all-time list.
"I've always wanted to win here in Chicago," an elated Kenseth said in Victory Lane. "It's only a couple hours from where I grew up—up in Wisconsin. So it feels great to finally get the win here. We've been close a lot."
Harvick came home third, followed by Kurt Busch, who rallied from a lap down after a pit road speeding penalty in the first third of the race.
Hendrick Motorsports teammates Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon both overcame considerable adversity to finish fifth and sixth, respectively, as Chase drivers claimed the top six spots in the finishing order and 10 of the first 12.
Other championship contenders weren't so lucky. Pole winner Joey Logano brought his car to pit road under caution with engine issues on Lap 149 of 267. After Lap 175, the engine gave up the ghost, and Logano retired in 37th place.
With the nose of his car punctured during a pit road accident on Lap 169, Dale Earnhardt Jr. suffered an engine failure on Lap 226, his heavily taped car overheating and ultimately erupting in a geyser of steam and smoke. Earnhardt dropped out in 35th place.
"We had a car we were pretty happy with and you know just thought we were going to have a pretty good night," Earnhardt said ruefully after taking the car to the garage. "I don't know what was going on on pit road there, but we knocked the front end off of it on pit road. Those guys all stopped on pit road in front of us.
"We were trying to get that fixed. We still had a chance to get that fixed and get the downforce back in the front. We cut the grill all up and the downforce was gone and we lost a lap there. We were going to get that patched up and maybe be able to make something out of it, but something broke there in the motor. It's tough. It's going to be really hard to win a championship this far behind."
The race was red-flagged for more than five hours as rain pelted the 1.5-mile track. The action resumed at approximately 10 p.m. ET with Kenseth in the lead.
Kyle Busch held the lead when Cole Whitt's spin off Turn 4 on Lap 239 caused the ninth caution. Busch and Kenseth lined up for a restart on lap 245 with Busch to the outside, Harvick behind Kenseth and Kurt Busch behind his brother.
Harvick thought his best option was to push Kenseth rather than to take the two cars on the front row three-wide into Turn 1.
"They were evenly matched," Harvick said of Kenseth and Busch. "I was hoping they would get side by side, you have one of them slide up, able to get three?wide or something happen.
"I figured that was better than going to the bottom and getting three?wide and being pinned on the bottom and getting passed by two or three cars on the top. I figured that was my best option."
Kenseth was delighted Harvick saw it that way.
"Man, he gave me a big push on that restart, where he could have tried to squeeze it in on the apron, (but he gave) me a big push and go me out front," said Kenseth, who leads his teammate by eight points with nine races left in the Chase. "I owe him one for that, for sure."
Kyle Busch, who had won the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series and Nationwide Series races the previous two days, saw his chance for a sweep evaporate after Kenseth pulled away.
"Oh, yeah, I watched it slip right away," Busch said. "Nothing you can do about it. Certainly, it would be nice if we could have won tonight and brought home a trifecta. I didn't think we had a chance after yesterday's practice. In the race today, the car was totally different. I could drive the heck out of it.
"It was going to be cool, (but) there's always those cautions."
Johnson continued to experience the sort of adversity that has plagued him for the last two months—with one major difference. This time he overcame it.
Johnson had taken the lead after a two-tire pit stop under a competition caution on Lap 32. His advantage had reached three seconds before confusion during a green-flag stop on Lap 75 cost him four positions on the track.
Johnson's rear tire changer replaced a dropped lug nut on the right rear tire, but the NASCAR official overseeing the action in the No. 48 pit thought there were only four lugs on the tire, instead of the requisite five.
The official ordered the changer back to the right rear, costing Johnson precious seconds, before realizing that all five lugs were in place.
"One (lug nut) had fallen off during the hand-in (of the tire), so it was kind of hanging there, but the tire changer had taken the time," said crew chief Chad Knaus. "He did his job. He did a great job getting the other lug nut on there and making sure it was tight.
"The official thought there were only four on there. We all make mistakes. That happens from time to time."
Johnson, however, rebounded from the mishap and was running fourth when a sudden cloudburst coincided with Whitt's spin off Turn 4, necessitating the second caution of the day. Shortly thereafter, NASCAR brought the cars to pit road and stopped the race.
After the resumption, a broken jack dropped Johnson to 22nd in the running order, but the speed in his car carried him back toward the front of the field.
Gordon, an 11th-hour addition to the Chase on Friday, brought his car to pit road with a flat left rear tire after leading the field to a restart on Lap 173, but an opportune caution at the end of a pit stop cycle kept him on the lead lap late in the race.
Gordon carved his way through traffic and was battling Johnson for the fifth spot when the race ended.


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In my course on technology, development and Africa, a fine undergraduate student, David Metoyer, wrote this about the activities in Africa of Vodaphone, one of the world's most significant mobil-telephony companies and a sizeable force in the sub-Saharan mobil boom:
Since 2009, Vodafone has significantly increased its presence in Africa. Vodacom, Vodafone's leading subsidiary, hired 4,082 additional employees in Africa, bringing the total to 6,833 (a 150 percent gain). As a whole, Vodafone employment in Ghana increased from 13,676 in 2009 to 21,064 in 2010. Vodafone's Seek, Identify, and Support (SIS) program enables the company to quickly identify new opportunities in the African market. The SIS program allows employees to propose potential projects that will benefit the company, and local communities. Often times, the communities are the employees' home villages.
For Vodafone, sub-Saharan Africa is proving to be the testbed for R&D development that will transition to the rest of the world. Vodafone's emerging "Africanized" technology is highly advanced, world-class stuff; unlike other existing technologies that have slowly trickled down into African markets.
Some examples: At first, Vodafone and its network of subsidiaries in sub-Saharan Africa tapped into the existing electrical grid. But the newly represented company was soon bombarded with complains from customers over spotty coverage and service outages. The problem was identified immediately. Some countries, specifically Kenya and the DRC, had very weak supporting infrastructures. As a result, the overburdened electrical grids dropped power to cell towers, regularly cutting service from paying subscribers until power loads reduced to sustainable levels. The outages could have lasted for hours. To remedy the issue, Vodafone fitted cell towers with gasoline backup generators.
For the past decade, the company's critical challenge has been providing cellular coverage to places that lack even the most basic services, such as running water and electricity. Running power to rural cell towers was expensive and cable theft was rampant. To reach the rural customer, Vodafone planted generator-supported towers throughout the African countryside. The new tower sites reduced grid dependency, but also increased operational costs to ensure the reliability.
Around 2009, the concerns over energy security were also met with concerns over environmental degradation, or dramatically changing climates. Gasoline prices increased and soon Vodafone faced rapidly increasing costs to support reliability to its least paying customers, rural villagers. Additionally, Vodafone was under fire for excessive CO2 emissions from the gasoline generators powering those rural towers.
Vodafone was forced to "design for real needs". Hybrid green sites have emerged as the solution. The project was taken on internally by the Cost Reduction team; the "Green Technology Program" aims to implement diesel hybrid sites, solar power, fuel cell technology, along with new methods of cooling and storing battery power. The results will reduce operational costs, lower greenhouse gas emissions, and further improve service reliability. Today, the hybrid powered sites stand in Kenya, the DRC, Mozambique, Lesotho, Tanzania, and South Africa. There are only a handful of towers operational, but the results are promising.
With is successes, Vodaphone's "green technology program" also presents challenges. The advanced technology is expensive, and inconsistent load demands make it difficult to gauge what amount of support is necessary. In rainy seasons, usable sunlight is a mere 5.5 hours a day, not enough to fully power the towers. Securing space for solar panels is another challenge, though positioning the panels off the ground is providing a short-term solution. In 2011, tower security is the largest challenge facing Vodafone. The technology exists, but the effectiveness is severely limited by implementation due to a risk of damage and theft.
To provide access to power in rural markets, Vodafone is rolling out a solar-powered cellphone, complete with a built in solar panel on the back of the handset for charging. The phone launched in India from late 2010 and will push through Africa in 2011.
In the case of Vodafone, the "Africanized" technoscientific operations unfolding in developing parts of Africa could lay the framework for the rest of the developed world to follow.
Metoyer, a student at Arizona State University, is studying the important developmental role that multinational corporations now play in the sub-Saharan. He'll be working in West Africa this summer, in his own private venture, based on a small-scale energy-efficiency innovation, which permits low-cost charging of cell-phone batteries off the electrical grid, thus meeting a key demand of rural Africans: juice to keep their phones running.
– G. Pascal Zachary blogs at Africa Works.


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Advice on Deciding Where to Attend
January 16, 2013, 10:26:37 AM »
Hey everyone,
Just recently and happily ventured over here from TLS.
So here's my situation. I have been accepted to the following schools - scholarship follow the hyphen and are listed per year with stipulations.
Nova Southeastern - $18K - 2.7 GPA (Median)
Florida International - $0 (for now; I believe I will obtain the First Generation Scholarship of up to $5K) - In-state Tuition
Stetson - $12K - good academic standing 2.0 GPA
Miami - $0
Ave Maria - $35K - 3.0 GPA (Median)
St. Thomas - $28K - 2.5 GPA
DePaul - $15K - no stipulations
Michigan State - 25% Trustee's Scholarship - don't know stipulation yet
I am waiting to hear back from Emory, Saint Louis University, Indiana-Bloomington, Case Western, Ohio State, and Cincinnati. I think these schools will reject me other than SLU and Case Western. The only way I would attend SLU is with big $$$, but I doubt itll be anything more than 50%, if that.
I have a 3.1 and 156 LSAT. Not retaking
I live in South Florida, so Nova, FIU, Miami, and St. Thomas would have little to no COL.
As of now, what would you guys choose? I will update soon if I am admitted to any of these schools.
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January 16, 2013, 11:11:36 AM »
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January 16, 2013, 04:11:57 PM »
I would suggest first deciding where you want to live, then choosing the least expensive school in that region. Most of the places you've been accepted to probably offer similar post-grad employment prospects, with a slight advantage being given to U Miami. Assuming that you're a FL resident, I'd look closely at FIU. The in-state tuition is reasonable, and (unlike a scholarship) it won't be lost after the first year. I don't have personal experience with the south FL market, but I doubt if the slight reputational advantage enjoyed by U Miami outweighs the cheap tuition at FIU.
Scholarship stipulations are tricky, and it's very common to lose all or some of your scholarship. You'll quickly find when you get to law school that it's far more difficult than undergrad, and staying at the median is not as easy as it sounds.
My analysis would apply to the midwest schools, too. If you want to live in Chicago, then DePaul might be a good choice. But if you plan to live in south Florida I'm not sure that it makes too much sense to spend three years in Bloomington or East Lansing. Also, if you go out of state you're likely to accrue debt for living expenses, whereas maybe if you stick near home you can avoid that cost.
Trust me, it's easy to take out those loans but it hard to pay them back. Coming out of one of these schools you probably won't be making $150K right out of the gate, so do what you reasonably can to minimize your debt.
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January 16, 2013, 05:58:39 PM »
Hey thanks for the advice.
There are a couple of ways I could do this. I could stay at home in South FL and go to either Miami, FIU, or Nova, with minimal COL.
Or I could go to either Case or Ohio State, assuming I am admitted to both and resume there, as I went to undergrad at a liberal arts school near Cleveland.
Or I could go to SLU and live with my girlfriend of three years with minimal COL
Or I could just start off new in Chicago at DePaul, Lansing at MSU, or any of the other schools I plan on hearing back from.
I'm not dead set on where I want to practice. My connections and foundation are probably best in south Florida, but I also wouldn't mind moving to saint louis or Cleveland. It's just a tough decision. All of that, plus the prestige and job placement of each of these schools.
It's just a very confusing and difficult decision.
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January 16, 2013, 08:02:52 PM »
A factor for you and all other applicants should be the attrition rate of a school. It is telling if students in mass transfer, quit or fail out of a law school.
You can look up,the attrition rates of the schools you listed on the below link and "hitting" "ABA Data".
IMO, all things being equal the University of Miami is the best school you listed.
Good Luck.
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January 19, 2013, 02:06:13 PM »
I have posted on this forum many times regarding this topic and one thing to remember above all else is everyone posting on this form or others myself included is nothing more than anonyomous internet poster that knows nothing about you, your situation, or what is best for you. With that said I have gone through law school so I can offer my experience and what I think is important for anyone in your position to consider, but again I am just some guy posting on the internet so take my advice with a grain of salt.
You have already recieved some solid advice above, but I am going to add onto it. I think for any 0L these factors in this order should be considered when choosing a law school. (1) Location (2) Cost (3) Personal Feelings about the school (4) Reality of Legal Education (Speciality Programs) (5) and as a final factor the least important in my opinion U.S. News I think many 0L's mistakenly put this at the top of the list when it should be at the bottom.
Here is some analysis regarding the factors I mentioned.
(1) Location
It looks like your options right now are the Midwest and Florida, which are two different places entirely as I imagine you know. Whereever you end up going to school in all likelihood is where you will end up living. Furthermore, I noticed you have a girlfriend living near SLU I don't know how serious that is or not, but I would beat a significant amount of money that if you attend law school in a different city than her that relationship is ending. If you attend FIU while she is in St. Louis you will not see eachother you will be extremly busy and broke throughout law school, which is not a good combination for a long distance relationship.
Aside from that Miami is going to have far different weather & culture than Michigan State. I personally went to law school in a place that has pretty cloudly weather and it made studying a lot easier. Studying the Rule Against Perpetuities when it is 90 degrees and a beach with a bunch of beautiful girls on it would have made me drop the book and likely fail out. I know myself and how I would have handled a town like Miami or a school like Pepperdine in L.A. it would have ended with me rarely crackign a book. So that was a factor for me, but you might be entirely different.
Aside from that Michigan State (East Lansign) is a lot different than Miami as I am sure you are aware and law school does not exist in a vaccuum. There is not a whole hell of a lot to do in East Lansing if your not into the Frat Party, College Football, College Basketball, etc scene. Again something to consider I went to law school in a pretty metropolitan area which was good for some extra activities and making connections during law school.
Furthermore, three years is a long time you will get an apartment, make friends, etc and that will be difficult. Also whatever school you attend will have connections locally and you will only be able to intern at places near the school during the academic year. If you want to work for the Miami D.A. you cannot do that from August until May when if your in Michigan. If you wan to work for the Lansing D.A. you can't do that if your in Miami. So I really cannot stress the importance of location.
(2) Cost
This is a huge factor and it looks like you are considering it. There are a few schools like FIU that offer in-state tuition which is awesome. CUNY, North Dakota, Wyoming, South Dakota, and a few others offer tuition which is about 10-15k per year, which is very reasonable for an ABA education. Many schools even with a half-tuition schoalrship will be more expensive than those schools. Many people see a 25,000 scholarship and think damn that is amazing, but if the law school is 50k per year you are still paying 25k per year while FIU or one of the other state schools is 10-15k per year over 3 years that adds up to 30k of savings.
You also seem aware of the scholarship conditions, which many people don't understand. These are of the utmost importance 100% of incoming 1L's are certain they will be in the top 10% of the class and maintain their scholarship, but 90% of people can't be in the top 10%. Once that is not achieved you lose your scholarship for years 2 & 3 then your paying 50k a year opposed to the guaranteed 15k per year at FIU or the other state schools I mentioned.
3) Personal Feelings About the School
Every school has a culture to it when I was a 0L I visited multiple schools and also did mock trial competitions so I interacted with even more. Many of the schools had a fell to them and there were some schools I loved others I hated. However, just because I didn't like one school doesn't mean you won't like it either. My reasoning was very subjective as I mentioned Pepperdie is a beautiful campus and it seemed great, but it was a little religious or that was my impression and I coudln't hanlde the beach, beautiful weather, etc while studying Torts. That might sound ideal for you and that is your personal opinion. So visit these schools interact with professors, talk to students, etc. At the end see what feels right for you remember this is a 3 year 100k commitment make sure it fits your style because nobody knows what is better for you than yourself.
4) Reality of Legal Education
In reality every ABA school teaches you the same exact thing. Your first year will consist of Torts, Contracts, Property, Civil Procedure, Criminal Law, and likely Con Law in 1L. They might mix in Criminal Procedure or Con Law in 2L, but you will take those courses. What you will do is read Supreme Court Cases like Pennoyer v. Neff in Civ Pro, Palsgraff in Torts, etc. These cases are exactly the same whether you read them in Michigan or Miami. Some professors are more engaging than others, but at every school you will have good and bad ones.
At the end of your three years you will pay BarBri or Kaplan to help you study for the bar and once you pass that with an ABA law degree you are a licensed lawyer and can take the bar in any other state.
However, if there is a speciality your are interested in which very few 0L's seriously are then you might want to look at a school's course schedule and again consider location. For example if you want to work for the Miami Dolphins then go to law school in Miami. Or if you want to do entertainment law go to law school in L.A., but if you want to help farmers patent corn or something then go to Nebraska. Just apply common sense there and also look to see if they offer what your interested in. Even if htey do specialities are not that big of a factor, because in reality you will take Evidence, Wills & Trusts, Coroprations, a writing course, trial advoacy, LRW to round out the rest of your 2L & 3L to prepare for the bar. You might get between 3-5 courses that will help focus on a specific area, but they will only give you an overview.
(5) U.S. News
If after all those factors are considered you can't decide then look to the rankings as a tiebreaker, but remember it is nothing more than a for-profit magazine offering an opinion. U.S. News has also ranked New Mexico the best state to live, but I don't see you applying to University of New Mexico to live there. I certainly would not make a life altering decision such as moving to Alberque because some magainze said to so use the same logic when deciding where to attend. Don't go to a school because it was ranked 84th opposed to 99th nobody cares. If you were deciding between Harvard and FIU then the rankings might be the number one factor and you should attend Harvard, but nobody cares about whatever difference exists between Depaul and FIU the factors above will be much more important.
In the end I am nothing more than an anonymous internet poster that knows nothing about you, your situation, or what is best for you. For all you know I am a bum in a public library strung out on H rambling on the internet with all the typos I have made rushing through this post you might be right : ) , but I can't stress enough consider location and your personal feelings when making this life altering decision. Good luck.
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February 07, 2013, 03:32:22 PM »
First off, we are ALL waiting for Emory!!
Secondly, Miami isn't worth it! I went there for Grad School, and I met with their law school people and HATED IT!! The facilities weren't up to par with others, and frankly there was a sense of backstabbing and competitiveness above its ranking.
I have found as a whole that UMiami students, no matter their discipline, have this idea that their school is way better than it is. Granted its a good school, but its not T14, and the law students act like it is.
I too am considering DePaul but its not in my top 5 right now.
I would suggest looking into the specific area of law that interests you and see where is the strongest.
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February 07, 2013, 08:40:35 PM »
I think your post is exactly why so many people end up disappointed with their law schools when they look at rankings. Miami is not Harvard and I am sure it is a fine school as any other ABA school is. At every school you learn the same exact thing, but the culture & location of the school will make a major impact on your experience.
From what I read you saw Miami and didn't like it. I am sure there are plenty of people that love the Miami Law School, but it doesn't fit your personal preference. To the OP don't let a magazine make a life altering decision for you visit the schools and make sure first hand it is the right fit for you.
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Friday, May 7, 2010
Broxton Acts Normal
Jonathan Broxton was able to close out tonight's game and get a save. The Dodgers defeat the Colorado Rockies 6-5 in the first game of a three game series. Andre Ethier keeps contributing with 2 rbi's tonight. He now has 32 for the season. It's nice getting into a little winning streak. They need to finish this homestand strong!
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3 comments:
- dodgerbobble said...
That was Broxton we know and love.
Great way to end the game.
- May 7, 2010 at 10:53 PM
- KempKershaw said...
Paul back to AAA.
- May 7, 2010 at 11:13 PM
- Roberto said...
We're doing a big winning streak now! :)
- May 8, 2010 at 1:11 PM
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