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More than two cups of milk a day may cut into iron stores for many young kids, an observational study affirmed.
Higher consumption of cow's milk was linked to higher vitamin D levels but lower serum ferritin as a measure of iron levels (both P≤.0001), Jonathon Maguire, MD, MSc, of St. Michael's Hospital in Toronto, and colleagues found.
Each cup consumed was linked to 6.5% higher vitamin D and 3.6% lower iron on average, the group reported online in Pediatrics.
Two cups a day seemed sufficient to keep vitamin D levels up with minimal effect on iron for most 2- to 5-year-olds, they found in the primary practice-based study, although children with darker skin pigmentation may require more milk during winter months.
The study findings fit with guidelines from the American Academy of Pediatrics that suggest no more than two cups (500 mL) of cow's milk a day from ages 2 to 6 to avoid iron deficiency.
Both nutrients are critical for kids. Vitamin D is necessary for bone health and likely disease prevention too; iron plays a key role in brain and psychomotor development.
The study included 1,311 healthy children, ages 2 to 5, seen at seven large Toronto primary care group practices in the TARGet Kids! research network.
Parents reported that the average daily intake of cow's milk was a little under 2 cups (460 mL).
About a third of the children had 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels under the 75 nmol/L threshold recommended as optimal in Canadian guidelines; 6% were deficient with levels under 50 nmol/L.
Serum ferritin averaged 31 μg/L, with 4% falling under 12 μg/L.
How appropriate those iron levels might be wasn't clear, as there aren't any consensus recommendations on optimal iron stores for children, the investigators noted.
Children who drank three 250-mL cups of milk a day versus two had:
- 5.5-nmol/L higher 25-hydroxyvitamin D (95% CI 3.9 to 7.1)
- 1-μg/L lower serum ferritin (95% CI 0.3 to 1.7)
Analysis by other common clinical scenarios suggested that up to two cups a day kept median 25-hydroxyvitamin D over 75 nmol/ L, except for kids with dark skin who didn't get vitamin D supplements during the winter.
That group apparently required 3 to 4 cups of cow's milk per day to maintain 25-hydroxyvitamin D at the same threshold, although as the researchers noted, the observational results couldn't determine causality.
Higher milk intake didn't appear to be as good for children still using a bottle. In these children, higher milk intake didn't correlate with higher vitamin D levels, but were associated with sharper decreases in iron levels across gender, skin pigmentation, season, and vitamin D supplementation scenarios.
Possible explanation for this findings could be that parents under-reported milk intake from bottles, or other things like juice put in them, or that bottle use by this age group replaces vitamin D- and iron-containing solid foods, Maguire's group suggested.
"Regardless, reported cow's milk consumption among children using a bottle appears to have little benefit on micronutrient stores, suggesting that bottles should not be filled with cow's milk or used at all in this age group," they wrote.
Parent reporting was a limitation of the study, as was inclusion of children in a single urban setting at a northern latitude, which may limit how generalizable the results are.
The TARGet Kids! program was supported overall by the Canadian Institutes of Health Research Institute of Human Development, Child and Youth Health and the Institute Nutrition Metabolism and Diabetes, as well as the St. Michael's Hospital Foundation.
The analysis was supported in part by the Canadian Institutes of Health Research. The Pediatric Outcomes Research Team was supported by a grant from The Hospital for Sick Children Foundation.
The researchers reported no conflicts of interest.
- Reviewed by Robert Jasmer, MD Associate Clinical Professor of Medicine, University of California, San Francisco and Dorothy Caputo, MA, BSN, RN, Nurse Planner


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Noel Leigh-Smith Desperado leads Melges 32 Australian Championships
16 March 2012
Two late Friday afternoon races kicked off the 2012 Melges 32 Australian Championships on Pittwater. The quality fleet of Melges 32's had no time for a breather during the high intensity races set by race officer Steve Merrington RPAYC.
The shifty breeze and extremely close racing meant competitors were never really out of the race and were constantly trying to peg off the next boat or maintain their advantage; tacticians were working hard with their heads out of the boat.
Queenslander Noel Leigh-Smith on Desperado from Southport Yacht Club with experienced Pittwater locals Chris Links from Melges Asia Pacific and Jamie McPhail in the crew played the tactics card well to win race one. The majority of the crew hadn't raced the boat since Hamilton
Island last year. Chris commented "We were rusty to start with and scrambled all day to stay in the mix but in the first race we got anice shift out of the bottom mark and the right paid off, then sailed conservatively down the run to win the race" Desperado finished in third place in the second race and received the SLAM Boat of the Day prize for first overall.
Greg Prescott 2 Unlimited Sevenstar from the Royal Yacht Club of Tasmania enjoyed the close racing and brilliant conditions that kept them thinking "We thought the Derwent was shifty until we sailed Pittwater" said Prescott who claimed a convincing win sailing away from the fleet in the second race and second place overall heading into day two.
Stepping off his Farr 40 into a Melges 32 for the Championships was Chris Way The Business RPAYC looking fast downwind. The crew on The Business looked polished, local Steve McConaghy calling the shots, they led at times and were constantly pressuring the other competitors finishing the day on equal points with 2 Unlimited Sevenstar but in third place overall.
Angus Reid's Maxstar from Canberra Yacht Club commented "We are used to sailing on the flat water on the lake, but local knowledge was a factor today in the shifty breeze. I was pleased with our speed and height but give us strong breeze tomorrow please." A predicted 20
knot southerly front tomorrow morning could be just what the doctor ordered for Maxstar.
Thanks to sailing partners North Sails, SLAM and Harken for supporting the event.

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Bev Stayart Sues Yahoo Again For Violating Her Privacy Rights
from the why-levitra? dept
Eric Goldman now alerts us to the news that Ms. Stayart has filed a new lawsuit against Yahoo over a slightly different issue. Apparently (and I checked, this is true), if you are using Yahoo's search engine, and you type in the search for Bev Stayart, Yahoo's "suggested search" feature, offers up "bev stayart levitra" as the option after just "bev stayart." Also, on the results page, Yahoo asks you if you want to try "bev stayart levitra" as a search instead.
Ms. Stayart is apparently offended by this connection between her name and the drug Levitra, and claims that Yahoo is responsible for the content. The lawsuit suggests that Yahoo has no safe harbor because this algorithmically generated content is created by Yahoo itself. In many ways, this reminds me of the recent lawsuits we've discussed in France where Google was sued for what its suggested searches put forth.
While I will refrain from commenting on my opinion of the new lawsuit, I will note that if you actually do click through on the search for "bev stayart levitra" on Yahoo, you do get a clue as to why Yahoo connected the terms. It's because at the top of the results is the court's dismissal of the original lawsuit, which includes the court summarizing the situation, with the following statement:
Stayart alleges that Yahoo! and Overture knowingly connected and continues to connect her name (Bev Stayart) with sexual dysfunction drugs Cialis, Viagra and Levitra on its search engine results for her.In other words, it appears that a big part of the reason for these current results is because of the original lawsuit she filed. And, given that the new lawsuit makes regular use of these terms, you would have to figure that it will remain a commonly combined phrase online. Given all of that, I do wonder if things would have been better off if no complaint had been filed in the first place. All the original complaint did, apparently, was enhance the connection between her name and the drug Levitra in the eyes of Yahoo's algorithm. Now, you can say that Yahoo's suggestion algorithm is weak (it certainly appears that way), but does a bad algorithm violate someone's privacy rights?


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1. I'm on the phone.
('the' refers to a specific phone: the phone in the person's hand)
2. I'm on a phone.
(As opposed to, "I'm on a CB radio")
3. I'm on a cell phone.
(As opposed to, "I'm on a telephone; i.e., land phone.)
4. I'm on the cell phone.
(It's common to be more specific: "I'm on my cell, as opposed to, I'm on my house phone, office phone;i.e., land phones.)


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Similarly, high school seniors are also busting out of their shells and slowly growing into adults. With graduation week upon us, 947 local students from Warwick Veterans Memorial High School, Toll Gate, Pilgrim, Bishop Hendricken, as well as Rocky Hill in Potowomut, are set to earn diplomas and embark on new journeys.
Whether they plan to study at colleges, join the military or enter the work force, it seems that one thing that will help graduates achieve their goals faster and more efficiently than anything is the ability to understand the valuable lessons learned from working with others.
Perhaps it was said best by Mayor Scott Avedisian last night during the Vets graduation, which took place at the Community College of Rhode Island Knight Campus.
Avedisian noted that he recently realized members of the Class of 2012 were in kindergarten when he became mayor more than 12 years ago. In that time, he was happy he had the opportunity to share activities and events with students such as Reading Week, sixth grade graduation ceremonies, junior high school honors nights, successes on the playing field, achievements in the classroom, judging senior project presentations and, finally, graduation, because it helped him grow as a person.
Through it all, there was a lesson not only for the students, but for him, as well. The lesson, he said, is to be thankful for the knowledge others give us and always be willing to learn.
"I'm terribly grateful to each and every one of you for the life lessons you have taught me and so many other residents of this city," he said. "I have watched each and every one of you care for one another, encourage those who failed and stand by those in need. You have enriched our community, tested our limits, and pushed all of us to grow. I only hope that during all these years I have learned even a small fraction of what you have. And that I have grown even a small bit as much as you all have."
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Jinshi, Wade-Giles romanization Chin-shih, market town, northern Hunan sheng (province), China. Administratively a county-level city under the city of Changde, it was established through separation from Lixian county, first in 1950, and again in 1979. It stands on the north bank of the Li River some distance above its discharge into the Dongting Lake system, at the head of navigation for medium-sized ships.
While Lixian, some miles to the west, has become the chief administrative centre of the Li River basin, Jinshi has developed as its commercial counterpart. An unwalled economic centre with a large settlement of people from Shanxi province engaged in its trade, it is the principal collecting centre for grain and cotton from the surrounding plain and for hemp, timber, tung oil, and tea from the upper Li River valley. Its main industries are food processing and the manufacture of textiles and chemicals. Jinshi is also a major producer in Hunan of salt, monosodium glutamate, mosquito-repellent incense, and silk and flax fabric. Jinshi is also a communications hub between the Hunan and Hubei borders. A trunk highway connects the city to Changsha (the provincial capital), Wuhan (capital of Hubei), and surrounding cities. Jinshi is also one of the major inland ports of the province. Pop. (2000) 127,389.


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Bruce Berkowitz, the investment manager who's turning away new customers from his mutual funds, expects a "watershed" 2013 for Fairholme Capital Management LLC's Focused Income Fund as he bets the majority of its assets on junk-rated Sears Holdings Corp. and MBIA Inc.
More than 55 percent of the fund's assets are concentrated on the debt of Sears and MBIA, Berkowitz said in a letter to shareholders and directors posted on its website yesterday. MBIA debt comprises more than 38 percent and Sears almost 17 percent, with almost 40 percent in cash and Treasury bills.
Berkowitz is loading up on debt in some of the same companies whose common stock propelled his flagship Fairholme Fund to the best performance in a decade during 2012. The mutual fund posted a 36 percent annual gain, beating 99 percent of its peers, with American International Group Inc., Sears and Bank of America Corp. currently ranked as the three biggest holdings and MBIA among the top 10.
While a negative outcome is already priced into the market, Fairholme expects MBIA to settle its lawsuits against Bank of America, which "should lift MBIA bonds," Berkowitz said in the letter. "Sears will continue to pay all scheduled interest and principal on its debt obligations," while the debt trades below par value.
During a question-and-answer session at the Columbia Student Investment Management Association Conference in New York yesterday, Berkowitz said he loaded up on financial firms such as Bank of America when they were "priced to die" after the credit crunch destroyed some of its biggest peers. The purchase of Countrywide Financial Corp., derided by investors and analysts for causing billions of dollars of losses on faulty mortgages, is a "fixable problem," he said.
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As for AIG, which has repaid a $182.3 billion U.S. bailout, the New York-based insurer is now "leading the entire property and casualty industry to higher prices, better underwriting profits," Berkowitz said.
Berkowitz is closing the $7 billion Fairholme Fund to new investors Feb. 28, along with the Focused Income Fund and Fairholme Allocation Fund. Current holders can continue putting money into all three. Managers typically close a fund after a good performance attracts more money than they can invest effectively, putting a drag on future returns.
Track Record
Berkowitz is the managing member of Miami-based Fairholme Capital and he was named by Morningstar Inc. as the domestic stock-fund manager of the decade in January 2010. He has said he likes to "embrace the hated" and bet on the recovery of companies that fall out of favor, and prefers to put assets into his best ideas rather than spread the money to weaker ones.
His stakes are sometimes so large that they rank Fairholme among a company's biggest shareholders. Fairholme owns about 16 percent of Sears and 23 percent of MBIA, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
Sears, whose debt is rated B3 at Moody's Investors Service and CCC+ at Standard & Poor's, surged 45 percent last year in New York stock trading as the Hoffman Estates, Illinois-based retailer sought to cut costs, stores, assets and inventory.
The company's $987 million of 6.625 percent bonds due in 2018 rallied to more than 97 cents on the dollar during the past week, from as low as 76 cents last year, according to Trace, the bond-price reporting system of the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority. Fairholme owns 6.1 percent of those bonds, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
MBIA Debt
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I think she joked about "getting mad that he thinks she's mad" and such, but not for that particular episode (could be wrong).
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I think you are pretty spot-on.
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Thanks, guys. That really helps to clear things up.
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Reading the words from volume 4, I do get the impression that Lawrence doesn't have a problem with the arguments that he has with Holo. That at least he dreads the idea that he would have to give that all up when he finally does reach Yoitsu.
On the anime, Holo complained that eventually their little arguments would become "chores". I think that she was worried that at some point that they would grow tired of each other. And, that was what she was fearing more than watching Lawrence growing old and dying on her.
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On the anime she said something to the effect that she didn't want the novelty of their relationship to wear off. Their constant conflicts would go from being quaint to being "chores".
In the novel, Holo says, "And worst of all, as I enjoy it more and more, I'll begin to need more and more stimulation, and then what? You know, don't you, what lies at the top of those stairs?"
This doesn't have anything to do with dependence. She's not talking about needing him to live, but she's talking stimulation. Right now, their relationship is a lot of fun. But, eventually, that fun begins to wear off. The same things won't stimulate her as much any more, and at some point effect of their interactions will peak.
It's what comes after the peak that Holo fears more than Lawrence's death, or that she might feel more lonely after he dies. Relationships tend to work like this. Right now, Holo and Lawrence aren't bothered by their constant arguments or conflicts with each other. Lawrence isn't phased by the fact that Holo is a little short-tempered and kind of violent.
At this point in their relationship, these conflicts are cute. But, eventually, they won't be anymore. To Lawrence, Holo will probably start becoming more of a bitch to him (no pun intended). And, Holo will eventually get bored with the relationship.
So, it's the natural end of most relationships that Holo is really worried about happening to their relationship. It has nothing to do Holo's immortality.
The fact that Holo explains to Lawrence, "I'm not saying this because I don't want to watch you die. I've...already become used to that idea," is the author's way of affirming that this has nothing to do with Holo's immortality.
The author later goes on to say (in his own words), "Just like a human, she could only become accustomed to something, then tire of it, passing the dim night thinking, ah it was such fun at first. She could not stay happy forever" (Hasekura, 196).
I don't know why you guys keep missing it, when it's so clear. This isn't the first forum where someone also thought that Holo was afraid of Lawrence's growing old and dying on her. Her fears are a little bit more normal than that.
I think that the only way that her immortality comes in is that humans tend not to think about things like that. Eventually, the relationship isn't like it was when it first started, but people make relationships and continue with those relationships anyways.
Holo, being immortal, is full aware of that fact and doesn't want it to happen to her and Lawrence. She'd rather just end it at its peak rather than them growing tired of each other.
Isuna, Hasekura. Spice & Wolf. 5. New York: Yen Press, 2011. 192, 195-196. Print.
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But she's forcing the issue RIGHT NOW. She can't wait for a less risky or stupid time, she's desperate to cut off their relationship now. Why? Because there must be a point where she fears they won't be able to break it apart without that "bad" ending becoming inevitable.
That implies a growing dependence.. it implies that they won't be able to just walk away from each other. Even Lawrence is surprised that she's so "pessimistic".
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So if she's so worried about a bad memory, why go through the trouble of creating one anyway, unless she thinks there will be a worse one down the line? But what would that worse ending be?
If she's not afraid of seeing his death, then it's got to be something else. And all I can think of is that she doesn't want to grow so attached to him that it hurts her more than breaking up this way.
If it's not dependence, what else could it be? Not only that, but she clearly already thinks Lawrence is too dependent on her to just let her go. Otherwise she could just ask him to let her go, without all of this scheming.
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In Hasekura's Words
Yes, Holo would be leaving Lawrence with a bad memory, but I didn't see anything in the author's writings which would indicate that Holo considered that. Just basing my interpretations solely on the author's words, I can gather that the only thing that Holo is concerned with is how the relationship will end before Lawrence dies.
And, I'm not sure in what way you think that Holo would depend on Lawrence. Holo is immortal and wouldn't need Lawrence to live, but if you're referring to some emotional need that Holo is depending on Lawrence for, then breaking off their relationship would only make things worse for her.
We know that Holo does suffer from loneliness anxiety, which is partly related to her immortal condition. But, being with someone that you grow tired of or no longer get along with might be better than being alone. If Holo was so concerned with feeling lonely then you would think that staying with Lawrence would help avoid that. Even if Holo grew tired of Lawrence, then at least she would have someone around her still.
Also, we also know that Holo would at least have a child with Lawrence if she stays with him for the rest of Lawrence's life, or at least until she has his child. So, it really doesn't seem that fear of being alone is what Holo is considering at this point.
But, going back to what I said earlier about the author's writings, Hasekura does explain to us exactly what Holo is thinking. He does tell us that Holo is concerned with the overall impression of the memory of Holo and Lawrence's time together. That's why she's trying to break the relationship off now, rather than later.
You're right about it leaving a bad memory, but the author didn't bother to bring that up. Without evidence this would only be conjecture, but I suppose that Holo's reasoning is that this one memory would not have quite as much of an impact as the rest of their relationship.
When Holo would look back on her days with Lawrence, she would think about how much she misses him - rather than be glad that she's rid of him. And, the same would be said for Lawrence. Lawrence would think about how much he misses her, but if they ended the relationship on bad terms then he would remember about how much of a bitch she was.
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|2012-03-23, 12:11
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I did mean emotional dependence, not survival. Neither of them needs the other to survive. They just happened to be lonely and compatible.. then grew emotionally dependent on each other to some extent. And the more emotionally dependent one grows on someone else, the harder it can be for them to "let go" and move on, even if they're surrounded by friends and family.
My supposition was that Holo wants to remember him not as someone she "lost", but someone she had a lot of fun with. I might be entirely wrong, but it doesn't add up that she's just afraid of a bad breakup memory - she's had so much fun with him that it would have to be something exceptionally painful to taint the whole thing. Especially since a break up is inevitable, and she's even willing to make it a bad breakup.
But I'm willing to guess that she just got caught up in an irrational fear and didn't realize how silly she was acting. And also that I'm reading too far into it
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To throw a totally different angle into the mix here (again only based on the books up to Vol. 5), I think we should consider the secondary motivations Holo has for bringing the issue up in the way she did. Keep in mind that Holo is portrayed as always being many steps ahead of Lawrence, and whatever she does or says has meanings that we don't always see at first. Also, keep in mind that Holo is terribly prideful, and doesn't like to admit any feelings that make her seem weak or needy.
Holo and Lawrence's relationship had progressed as far as it could on a platonic level. They were basically at the "more than friends, but not quite lovers" stage. This issue of how their relationship was perceived was a central theme in Volume 4, and came home to roost in Volume 5. Holo already said that she had gotten used to the idea of being by Lawrence's side until death, but she knows full well that Lawrence isn't going to spend his entire life travelling the world -- his dream is to settle down and set-up shop in a town. What would it mean to stand by Lawrence's side until death in that context? Certainly not in the current "more than friends, not quite lovers" state. When she says that she's gotten used to the idea of being "by his side", she means as a companion in the truest sense -- as his lover. (This goes back to the "what are you to me?" from an earlier volume as well.) Remember, she thinks many steps ahead. But there is no way in hell that the prideful Holo is going to "confess" to Lawrence, and not just because of pride but because she's imposing on him in a hugely unbalanced way. Holo being willing to stay by Lawrence for his lifespan is one thing, but life to a human is fleeting in comparison (this was covered in the early volumes of the novel).
Forcing a decision point at this juncture is critical because they would certainly have drifted apart if Lawrence was unwilling to take things to the next level. The events in Volume 5 brought Lawrence right on the cusp of his dream of becoming a town merchant, and that necessarily forces his relationship with Holo to change. And even if it hadn't worked out (and it didn't), the day would come eventually. There are basically only two choices on the horizon: either they become lovers, or they part ways. Having looked ahead and seen that eventuality was what was frustrating to Holo, particularly because she always sees so many steps ahead (unlike Lawrence who is just living in the moment). Holo could not take the next move down the first path (Lawrence had to make the first move), but she could force Lawrence's hand by setting things down the second path. So, that's exactly what she did.
So all that to say, I think the main issue here isn't "what was Holo thinking?" or "what was Holo afraid of?" but actually "what was Holo trying to accomplish". As they said in Volume 1, the value of a lie isn't in the lie itself, but in the motivation behind it. While I don't think Holo was lying, I think the chain of events she was trying to force tells us more about her intentions than anything else. Keep in mind that, at the end of Volume 5, Lawrence -- life in shambles -- does return and confess. He chose Holo over his erstwhile dream. Now, the path ahead for the two of them is clear; they have both accepted the idea that they can stay together until Lawrence dies, even though they may well "fall out of love" with each other. Lawrence wants to put his all into this relationship so that he they can both smile at the end, and that's what Holo really needed him to tell her -- that she's an integral part of any future he can see. Love trumps the fear of farewell.
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Good points.
|2012-03-25, 00:46
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As for Lawrence and his moves... he certainly showed his interest in no uncertain terms, no doubt, but I think she needed to help him think through the ramifications, which he may not have fully considered. She was bringing up issues because she needed him to think about it (since she already had). I guess it was because he kept sending clear signals but hadn't made his declaration that made things unbearable.
Perhaps I should have said that it was the mutual acceptance of the journey their relationship was going to take going forward that was more important than that eventual fear of farewell. At least it gave them reason to not want to say farewell yet.
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Just as a matter somewhat related to the recent discusion; I think it's possible age may not matter in the end.
I understand this is shipping for Lawrence and Holo, but here goes anyway;
Lawrence is a wolf; or at least, he is the decendant of wolves.
Why do I say this?
Because (in the novels at least,) he knew that Yoitsu had been destroyed.
How exactly is it that some nobody peddler would know about something that happened so long ago? Unless perhaps as a part of the oral tradition of those who ran away when the Moon-bear attacked, and he heard about it that way.
In episode two of season two, he asks a woman he says is his mother; "Mother, what ever happened to the village of Yoitsu?"
Forget how would a nobody merchant know about Yoitsu; how would a nobody kid know about Yoitsu, unless he had some connection to the people/wolves who had once lived there.
One last thing might be the color of Lawrence's hair. Decended from a gray-wolf perhaps?
Thin, I know, but outside the issues of relationship talked about above, just about the only way Lawrence and Holo will be able to stay together any real length of time is if he is a wolf.
By the way; this place pushing you out due to 'inactivity' is a serious HUH? Typing your message isn't activity?
Second time this happened to me, and I don't like or appriciate having to type my post again any more than I did the first time.
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I love the pairing as much as the next person (maybe more), but I must say that I most humbly disagree.
Since it did happen long ago, it may well have worked itself into the mythos of the day. Thus it could have been a tale at least known in part by a fair number of people... depending on the region.
Consider if you will any number of Greek, Norse, or other myths.
It may well have been something he had heard a part of and wanted to know more... or perchance it was his favorite story as a child.
As for the grey hair... well, some people just aren't lucky. I have a friend who has had a receding hair-line since 3rd grade.
Why couldn't they stay together for any appreciable amount of time. Wolves are serially monogamous, so Holo would likely only even begin to consider pursuing a new relationship after Lawrence died.
Sorry, I hope I didn't sink your battleship.
|2012-04-08, 19:55
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That isn't him asking his mother about Yoitsu. It looks like he was spending the night at a resting place for travelers. The mother was telling her son stories, and he was sleeping next to them (notice the bed with the jacket on top of it next to them, and the cut to Lawrence in bed right after that) and overheard them. This occurs some time before he meets Holo, and so that is how he knows about it.
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The 19th Annual Designing Women Edition presents Designing Women of Europe! In celebration of Women's History Month, last month, we celebrated Designing Women in the USA, this month we celebrate these outstanding women designers from Poland, Spain, England, and all points around Europe. These are also highlighted with samples, descriptions and links to their sites in our Designing Women pages! Enjoy April 1, 2014


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Sony PlayStation Event: Three Things to Look For
Sony is set to make a splash with a PlayStation event in New York on Wednesday evening. Ian Sherr joins digits with three things to look for in tonight's unveiling.
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Webmaster Convicted For Not Being Fast Enough In Deleting Comments That Insulted Thai King
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At a time when countries who want to thrive and flourish should be encouraging greater and more widespread use of the internet, convicting a webmaster because the government doesn't like some comments that others left on a website is exactly the wrong approach. It goes against basic principles of free speech and properly applying liability. Yes, lots of countries (including the US at times) have been chipping away at such basic and fundamental ideas online, but it's still disappointing to see countries effectively guaranteeing a lack of openness and innovation within their own borders thanks to moves like this one.


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WELLESLEY, Mass. -- Kelly Duncan's four second-half goals helped propel the fifth-seeded MIT women's lacrosse team to a 7-6 victory over No. 4 Wellesley College in the quarterfinal round of the New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference (NEWMAC) Championship Tournament. With the win, the Engineers (9-6) earned a spot in the semifinals for the third year in a row where they will take on host and top-seed Babson College on Saturday, May 1 at 11:00 a.m. The Blue saw its season come to an end with a 6-10 record.
Wellesley jumped out to a 4-1 lead in a defense-driven first half. The Blue got three scores from Molly Morrow and one from Jenny Holland, as Wellesley out-shot MIT, 16-9. Katie Kauffman scored the lone Engineer goal, but netminder Allison Hamilos kept the Cardinal and Gray in the game as she turned away nine shots.
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From that point on, the Engineers took over, winning seven of the nine second-half draw controls and out-shooting the Blue 13-8. Duncan converted three out of her four free-position shots in a 15-minute span while Kauffman scored on an assist from Leger to put MIT ahead, 7-5, with 3:34 remaining. Allison Robbins cut Wellesley's deficit in half with 2:16 to play, but the Blue were unable to tally the equalizer.
Kauffman finished with two goals and an assist as Leger notched a goal, an assist, and three draw controls. Erica Little added a helper and two draw controls while Molly McShane had two caused turnovers. Meghan Wright and Lauren Rodda both scooped up three groundballs as Hamilos racked up 14 saves.
For Wellesley, Morrow ended the game with three goals and one assist while Holland added a pair of goals. Rounding out the offense, Robbins tallied a solo score and Kate Cushing added an assist. Loretta White led the defensive effort with three caused turnovers and two draw controls, while Mary Mattia made seven saves between the pipes for Wellesley.


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In addition to Lollygag and Pandora's Box, Lehman has served as Assistant Editor and Contributing Writer on the book Carnivora: The Dark Art Of The Automobile by Les Barany; as Editorial Assistant on the books American Hardcore (2nd Edition) and New York Rock, both by Steven Blush; and as Contributing Editor & Writer for ArtSync magazine.
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How The Response To Wikileaks Is Exactly What Assange Wants
from the action/reaction dept
The basic point is not to necessarily expose any specifically damaging information (and many have argued that nothing all that surprising has been exposed in this latest dump), but to reduce the ability of governments to communicate secretly -- because when you allow widespread communication by governments in secret, "conspiracies" form. That word is quite loaded, so I'm not sure it's really the best word to use. Perhaps a better way of thinking about it is that if larger groups within the government feel that they can act without oversight, they are much more likely to do things they would never do with oversight. By regularly leaking information -- even banal information -- the response is to clamp down on information sharing within the government. And, in fact, that's exactly what the federal government is doing.
In many ways, this is similar to what we were just discussing concerning how the US response to terrorism was exactly what Al Qaeda planned, it appears the US's response to Wikileaks is also exactly what Assange planned. The goal isn't to expose all secrets or anything like that -- but to reduce the ability of cabals of secrecy to form within governments, within which questionable plans might result.
The leak, in other words, is only the catalyst for the desired counter-overreaction; Wikileaks wants to provoke the conspiracy into turning off its own brain in response to the threat. As it tries to plug its own holes and find the leakers, he reasons, its component elements will de-synchronize from and turn against each other, de-link from the central processing network, and come undone. Even if all the elements of the conspiracy still exist, in this sense, depriving themselves of a vigorous flow of information to connect them all together as a conspiracy prevents them from acting as a conspiracy.In both of these stories, it shows how a system based on centralization responds to a (very, very different) distributed threat. And, in both cases, the expected (and almost inevitable) response seems to play directly into the plans of those behind the threat. In a way, it's quite fascinating. Of course, in the case of terrorism, it's frustrating, because the response only serves to further harm the country and its people. But with a situation like Wikileaks, it's potentially quite a good thing. As noted, these kinds of leaks can help us have a better, less corrupt government that is more responsive to the people it actually represents.
And this is why some are so reasonably frustrated by the overreaction by Wikileaks critics -- the folks who have thrived from a lack of oversight in the government, including many in the press. And part of this is the realization that much of what has been revealed shouldn't be confidential at all, and that's where the trouble comes in. Glenn Greenwald points out:
It is a "scandal" when the Government conceals things it is doing without any legitimate basis for that secrecy. Each and every document that is revealed by WikiLeaks which has been improperly classified -- whether because it's innocuous or because it is designed to hide wrongdoing -- is itself an improper act, a serious abuse of government secrecy powers. Because we're supposed to have an open government -- a democracy -- everything the Government does is presumptively public, and can be legitimately concealed only with compelling justifications. That's not just some lofty, abstract theory; it's central to having anything resembling "consent of the governed."Greenwald is dead on, but Assange's point is to take that even a level deeper. It's not just about improper acts and defaulting to being secret when the information does not warrant it. It's about how within that secrecy, government actors are enabled to act without oversight. The very knowledge that they can get away with things without oversight creates temptations that are often too great to pass up. And that's where corruption comes from. I don't buy most crazy conspiracy theories, concerning government actors -- most of which are imaginative, but have little basis in fact. But there is no doubt that there is a tremendous level of straight corruption going on and that is massively enabled by such secrecy. And while it's probably true that the overall system of corruption is much more resilient than Assange believes, it may be too early to tell whether or not these efforts do move the ball in any meaningful way.
As for the idea that revealing these documents is somehow damaging to diplomacy, even that seems to be in question. Matthew Yglesias reasonably points out that such transparency can actually enable much greater diplomacy by making it clear when countries are actually living up to their stated promises. One of the lessons you learn in basic negotiations is that, while there may be value in holding back certain information, quite often the absolute best negotiated results for all parties comes out of negotiations where the parties accurately lay their cards on the table. This keeps hidden agendas out of the way and allows for more frank and open discussions. Of course, this is all centered on a belief that negotiations are a non-zero sum game. That might not always be the case. But the level of secrecy we have today seems to presume that all negotiations are a zero sum game, and that's absolutely not true.
Whether or not you agree with Assange or the entire concept of Wikileaks (and, like many others, I have some ambivalence about the operation itself), it is important to understand the deeper level of what's going on here. It's what happens when a centralized system, based on locking up information and creating artificial barriers, runs smack into a decentralized, open system, built around sharing. For those who are trying to understand why this whole story reminds me of what's happened in the entertainment industry over the past decade, note the similarities. It's why I've been saying for years that the reason I've spent so much time discussing the music industry is because it was an early warning sign of the types of challenges that were going to face almost every centralized industry or organization out there. That included all sorts of other industries, but it also includes governments.


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Glastonbury 2013
Hello lovely people.
I'm going to try and get tickets for Glastonbury this year. I haven't been since 2007, which was the first year where you had to register but this whole deposit scheme thing is new to me and I'm not very bright so the Glastonbury website isn't making much sense to me.
The last time I went, the bun rush for tickets was in April, but now there seems to be two stages of handing over money - a £50 deposit in October, then the remaining balance in May.
Could y'all let me know if it's relatively easy to pay the deposit in October, or whether it's a hectic grab requiring much F5ing, like it used to be at the time when tickets went on sale pre-2007?
A thousand thanks.
a hectic grab requiring much F5ing, like it used to be at the time when tickets went on sale pre-2007
Buggery. Suspected as much.
It's proabably worse
because anybody in the world can afford £50
That & it wasn't on last year!
I think it was last year where I ended up having to buy tickets on the behalf of like 6 or 7 disers because once you get in you're fine but before then it's a rush of f5'ing. The good news is that you usually have a couple of hours to get them.
you sure did
thanks for that!
I've never been
but I will be having a bash at it this year
Fingers crossed I get me a ticket.
I fucking love Glastonbury festival, I do.
Stone Roses headlining
To be honest Glastonbury is the ones festival that the headliners totally don't matter
sure Blur was great but I don't think I've seen any other headliner that came close to capturing the magic I found in the other areas of the festival.
Bellends at Glastonbury?
Can't picture that.
is there still
an appeal to glastonbury for music fans? if so, what?
...all the music they put on?
if you have a proper look at the line up
it's really eclectic. No other festival can boast Beyoncé, Omar Souleyman, Nicolas Jaar and Rolf Harris :)
Well almost, there are a few more might have all of them, but only a very few
With around 20 odd music based stages
With around 600 acts playing on, a fair whack I'd say
Fans of any genre other then metal are very well catered to
this is an understatement by the way
The West Holts for example is always spot on with their line ups, I love The Park and the Dance tents and stages, you're pretty much spoilt for choice to be honest with you.
For example
West Holts 2011
Cee Lo Green
Chase and Status
Dr Jimmy Cliff
Heliocentrics with Mulatu
Little Dragon
Dengue Fever
Big Boi 22:45
Janelle Monáe
Aloe Blacc
Fool's Gold
Omar Souleyman
The Brandt Brauer Frick Ensemble
Nicolas Jaar LIVE
London Afrobeat Collective
Kool & The Gang 21:45 23:15 West Holts Sunday
Hercules and Love Affair 20:00 21:00 West Holts Sunday
The Go! Team
Duane Eddy
Jah Wobble & the Nippon Dub Ensemble
Jamie Woon
Hidden Orchestra
The Park Stage 2011
Crystal Castles
Special Guests
Big Audio Dynamite
Jenny & Johnny
Caitlin Rose
Dylan Le Blanc
Group Love
Wild Beasts
James Blake
Special Guests
Tame Impala
The Walkmen
Graham Coxon
Those Dancing Days
About Group
Balearic Folk Orchestra
Ellen & The Escapades
Gruff Rhys
Lykke Li
John Grant
The Bees
James Vincent McMorrow
Sea of Bees
The Pierces
Troy Ellis & Hail Jamaica
And these aren't even small stages, you get far more leftfield and obscure/original stuff on the smaller stages.
+ you get the great novelty acts + a selection of once in a lifetime type bands
yeah, don't worry on the music front mate, you're covered
- Yesiamaduck, NickDS, and Antelope this'd this
You also had the likes of Queens Of The Stoneage
DJ Shadow
Paul Simon
TV On The Radio
B.B King
Playing elsewhere, well worth the entry fee!
That was actually the worst year I've known for those two stages.
Janelle Monae, however, was the best performance of the entire weekend by any artist. Mind blowingly good.
Steeling myself as the years back after a year off are really tough as everyone wants to *do* Glastonbury
Hoping my luck holds to make my 6th
last time round was an absolute nightmare
preparing for the worst this time, i'm afraid.
Getting a ticket this year is going to be a complete shitstorm
the whole world and his shit is going to want a ticket, fighting through oceans and oceans of shit to get through to the other end. Shits gonna go off.
I'm up for it
You know what a shit barometer is, Bubbles? It measures the shit pressure in the air. You feel it? Listen, Bubs, hear that? The sound of the whispering winds of shit. You will, my sorry friend. when the shit barometer rises, you'll feel it too. Your ears will implode from the shit pressure....shit winds are a-comin'.
here we go folks...
any cheeky links that help much appeciated
xVian, spiritofjazz, littlebirds, champo, teamcooperuk, colinzealuk, the_outdoor_typo, the-breacher, JohnEW, Bear0, and ardack this'd this
Looking on virtual festivals website
People got tickets from 8am... that's a bit annoying
I can get onto glastonbury.tickets.com
There it says "the site is busy, redirecting you" - it tries to go here but then fails. - http://glastonbury.seetickets.com/Event/GLASTONBURY-2013-DEPOSITS/Worthy-Farm/700000
- the-breacher this'd this
- j0hn this'd this
I wonder if they could build
Some sort of lottery system that rewards repeat customers but also gives some sort of priority to people who tried and failed previously.
Even just a straight lottery system would surely be better than this?
a system with at least some kind of structure would be nice
rather than a connection timeout and engaged tone over and over
Seetickets pay for the contract to sell the tickets
Seetickets don't care how much of a clusterfuck it is for buying tickets, nor do they care that the people who waited longest get tickets first. They're happy as long as the tickets get sold. To get it sorted would require Glastonbury losing a load of cash to use a different more ethical tickets company (anyone seen one of those big enough?) or make their own (for 2 sale events a year).
Fair point
Which would also explain why they don't pay for more bandwidth. Doesn't matter to them if we keep timing out, the damn thing is going to sell out whether or not they piss off a bunch of customers.
this worked for anyone?
Glastonbury 2013
This site is currently receiving very high volumes of traffic. You're seeing this holding page because we've reached the maximum number of request we are able to handle at one time.
You are being held at this holding page until a space on the booking page becomes available.
Your request will be re-attempted automatically in 1 seconds.Le-Roy this'd this
i can't even get to the automatic refresh page
consider yourself privilegedspiritofjazz, deadonthestairs, LOLpop, and colinzealuk this'd this
See are experiencing very, very high demand, which is effecting the speed of the booking site. Tickets are being sold. Please keep at it
AFFECTINGAFFECTINGAFFECTINGAFFECTINGAFFECTINGAFFECTINGAFFECTINGduende this'd this
I've had this away with the faeries notion that today would somehow
be easier to get a ticket than previous years.
i'm finding my desire to go waning really
might go on holiday somewhere nice insteadScout this'd this
anyone vaguely technically minded
add an entry in your computer's hosts file:
for glastonbury.seetickets.com
not trolling.
Can you explain how to do this?
(I'm not technically minded)
or on a mac, open a terminal window
sudo vi /etc/hosts
(enter your password)
press i (for insert)
go to the bottom of the file
add the ip address
press tab
add glastonbury.seetickets.com
press escape
press colon-x
think i may be out of my depth/ruin my mac with those instructions! thanks though
nah, you won't ruin anything
good luck!
I wouldn't trust this if I were you
What this does is, whenever you type in glastonbury.seetickets.com
it takes you to 22.214.171.124, which for all we know, isn't the right ip address, it may take you to a site which looks right, but it may be an identical one used for phishing purposes. According to a trace (http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/22.214.171.124) this IP is owned by a primary school in Manchester...
Yes, I did consider that
but seeing as I've had a confirmation email and it knew my address after typing in my registration number, I'm fairly happy that I haven't been done.
But you would say that
If it was you operating the scam
command not found
thanks for your help, although I fear that I'm so technically illiterate, that turning my computer off and on is a challenge.
Don't even know my password......didn't even realise that I had one.
how do you do that?
is it explainable in another simple sentence?
just to re-iterate
i'd been not getting through for about an hour, did this and got straight through and got a ticket.
Ive no idea how but my matwe just did it and got ours. Try it.
How do you edit the host though? All I get when I open the terminal
up is file not known?
this hasn't changed anything for me
thanks anyway !
Almost had them twice but then got kicked out
this is rubbish, though hugely better than the last time I tried to get them after halloween with the biggest hangover ever.
I have to go to work in an hour so I won't be able to keep trying :(
it's almost 5 am in Toronto
been trying since 4. was it foolish to even try?
Just out of interest, which link are people using?
I was originally using the one on the glasto page, but now am using the one on the seetickets page. They have different titles in the link. The see tickets one has a reference to the deposit.
Both ultimately going to the same page, no doubt, but was just wondering like.
Well, that escalated quickly.
Ticked booked thanks to a pal using that host trick.
Got mine!
Through the regular method. Couldn't work out how to save my hosts file.
Took me from 8:45 till now of constant refreshing.
got tickets!!!
without messing with host files...think it's getting easier now
is there a confirmation email??
I'm scared to close down the success window until I see one..
It says
Your booking is now complete, and your purchase details are displayed below. We will also send you an email with these details. Please allow 24 hours for your email to arrive.
Yes, but it might take hours to arrive.
Got mine thanks to a friend... got booted out of the add registration screen twice myself.
Cool, thanks
also money still in my account, I guess that takes a while to go?
When I use my debit card to buy things online I normally have to enter a password before payment is complete - this did not happen when buing tickets - strange?
According to someone on Twitter
@jonty 9:06am
"We just discovered that the Glastonbury tickets website resolves to a) Putteridge Junior School, and b) a 192.168 address. Seetickets. What."
No idea about that, but would it explain problems we had earlier?
- Infinite_Jest this'd this
Got one!
now I just need some friends to go with :/
if it's any help
even though Chrome was refreshing faster and whatnot, Firefox had the most stable connection in the end for mekevbizarre this'd this
Only half the tickets had been sold 10 minutes ago
according to their Twitter account
Gutted - just got onto the deposit page - put all reg information in
and got booted off. Anyone else had this?
Surely if you get that far youy should be held in a queue with next priority? Well unfair.
yeah... loads of my mates have
i havent got anywhere near that
entered in payment info
then told it was sold out. :(
Now sold out.
Tickets have sold out in 1hr 40mins, thanks to everyone for your support and we are so sorry to those who missed out.
Deposits for the 2013 festival have now sold out.
according to website
Smashed it.
The trick, it turns out, was not using chrome. Second i switched to FF i was sorted.
bad times :(
well done to everyone who got tickets!
Man, couldn't have underestimated how hard it would be to get one today
any more if I tried.
At least before you had the added bonus of time; you could plug away all day if need be - today must be an all time record sell out time period.
Well that was rubbish.
Although on the bright side, anyone who didn't get through spent a relatively short amount of time pressing refresh before not getting tickets.LOLpop this'd this
Well, that sucks
Crazy how quick they went. I had thought that with so many other festivals around these days, and a year out of the public consciousness, it'd be EASIER to get tickets this year. How wrong I was... :(
now we just hope they don't book a fuckload of horrendous headliners
so a bunch of total fuckwits decide they want to come and see the stone roses/coldplay/oasis/tom jones/whatever.
that's kinda the point of selling the tickets now instead of announcing the headliners firt
Actually it's the opposite
They sell the tickets so a bunch of fuckwits who THINK they are going to see The Rolling Stones/The Smiths/Jimi Hendrix buy tickets, and then when it's actually no one nearly as big they have to make do with what they've got.
Essentially they're selling a dream to a load of planks.
Once the line up is actually out, those types are usually a lot less interested.
I've been a little disappointed in the past, when I've eventually seen the line up.
But in all honesty it's about the experience for me, more than anything. If there's a good line up, then it's the icing on the cake.
Actually, the icing on the cake would be it staying dry all weekend..
Didn't they once nearly not sell out recently
When tickets went onsale after a disappointing line up announcement? That kind of backs up your theory.
Yeah that was the year The Verve, Kings of Leon & Jay-Z headlined
and tickets were still available on the day. That's the only time they've announced them in advance, and strangely enough they decided not to do it again.
the verve, kings of leon and jay z is a fucking appalling trio of headliners
boring boring boring. ugh. i mean good on them for breaking with the whiteboys with guitars mould and going for some hip-hop, but jay z was really fucking boring.
I thought Jay Z was incredible, but then I'm a big fan
Me too, I fucking loved it
The only headliner I've ever seen on the main stage. :)
People talked with their feet that year.
The appointment of Jay Z was clearly a fox pass. Terrible decision and dreadful performance.
Kind of
There was a luke warm pick up of tickets in 2008 because 2007 was a mud bath of epic proportions, and the first year back after a fallow year seems to get loads of first timers all of whom were put off.
To try and help sales they announced the line up early and then every one started slating Jay Z who took the brunt for the other 2 lacklustre headliners in my opinion.
Then Jay Z smashed it and Glastonbury was hot property again
Yeah, exactly this
Always thought it was weird that Jay-z got all that flak, when clearly it was the tired looking Verve and the overexposed Kings of Leon that were the real problems that year…
this exactly - except sometimes, and more and more frequently recently, they've been fulfilling the expectations of the planks
when there's absolutely no need to. just book some awesome shit. no more planks.
I don't know anyone who actually cares what the headliners are, or who is on the Pyramid Stage for that matter
it could be Bieber on there for all I care. Glastonbury is so big and there is so much to do that it really doesn't matter. Its the only festival where you can be completely seperate from all of the 'planks' watching the main acts if you so wishOllieH this'd this
Me neither
That's the point. Planks who sit on the Pyramid Stage all day are sold a ticket based on the belief that all 10 of the bands in their CD collection could be playing.
Anyone who's into music/anything else will find things to do on the other 40 stages.
Looking forward to this now. Will be my first visit.
Access to Seetickets was presumably based on how much God hates you.
I went in 2013.
But there was no way I could afford to put down a deposit and afford the rest of the month.
I had a hell of a lot more fun at smaller festivals this year. Truck and 2000 Trees this year were a blast.
New dance village is called Silver Hayes
Nas to headline it, AlunaGeorge, Disclosure plus more confirmed for it.
- dacbo this'd this
i loved Hip Hop is Dead when it came out. could be great to see live. Might have to investigate his other records now..
- Antpocalypsenow this'd this
my mate at work just described as one of the best records ever made (he has a fairly limited taste in music, but still). Putting it on now..
Saw him at XOYO last year
it was fantastic, no bulshit that you get at hip hop gigs. Just wall-to-wall HITS
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Not one, but two women were crowned the Dolores Fire Department's biggest honor Saturday night: Firefighter of the Year.
Cindy Ramsay and Gina Kotarski were given the honor for a variety of reasons, but mainly for putting in so many hours last year getting the department ready for the Tri-State Firemen's Association Annual Convention. The event, held in early August in Dolores, drew over 300 firefighters into Dolores.
With a combined 32 years of service on the Dolores Volunteer Fire Department, both Kotarski and Ramsay were thrilled about the honor.
Both Kotarski and Ramsay have been named firefighter of the year before, but this is the first time the women have shared the honor.
Prior to the Tri-State convention, both Kotarski and Ramsay put in hours and hours of work.
"It was a lot of work," Ramsay said. "And Gina knew the rule book from front to back."
Ramsay is the secretary for the department, Kotarski is the EMS Captain.
Both ladies have an always present pager and go to every call.
"It doesn't matter what is going on in our lives, we drop everything to go on those calls," Ramsay said.
The 30-plus volunteers at the station would all do the same.
"You can't get better family than the family on the fire department," Kotarski said. "This family loves and cares for you."
Ramsay said she is thankful to employers who allow the volunteers of the department to run on calls.
"I have to give a horn toot to employers who support employees on our department. It could be them we run on, it could be their family," Ramsay said.
Over the years, both Ramsay and Kotarski have some stories to tell.
Most recently, Kotarski showed her dedication when she arrived at a call in Dolores, a 10-year-old boy had been hit by a car. She responded, knew the boy, treated him and sent him to the hospital, despite his protests.
She likely saved his life. When the boy arrived, he didn't want to be there, but it was found that he had a skull fracture. He was immediately sent to a children's hospital.
But the story didn't end there for Kotarski.
Later, the family's dog was hit and killed, shortly after the first accident and after the dog had given birth to puppies.
Kotarski helped the family bottle feed the puppies and even took one of them home.
Ramsay remembers saving a dog from the river.
"We brought it to the department and dried it off," she said.
Nobody claimed the dog, so they made an announcement at the school. A student came running to the office, ecstatic the dog was safe.
It is the little things that they talk about, but what they don't talk about is all the lives they save and the others they could not, or the familiar faces they see in need of help.
"Invariably, it is going to be someone you know," Kotarski said.
Ramsay agreed, "We do this, not for the money, but because we really love the community."
Kotarski said that there is a host of new rookies this year at the department, but they could always use more.
"We have open arms."


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CAMBRIDGE, Mass. – A 19-5 run that spanned eight minutes in the second half helped power Wellesley College past the MIT women's basketball team, 47-42, in a NEWMAC game on Wednesday night. Junior Rachel Hunt (Arlington Heights, Ill.) tallied seven rebounds, six points, six blocks, and three steals for the Engineers (7-10, 3-8 NEWMAC). Senior Malia Maier (Torrance, Calif.) produced a game-high 13 points and six steals to go along with five rebounds and four assists for the Blue (9-6, 8-3 NEWMAC) which picked up its sixth straight win.
After senior Ashleigh Sargent (Bedford, N.H.) registered a layup and a free throw to give Wellesley a 3-2 edge, MIT responded with an 18-6 run that resulted in a 20-9 advantage at the 5:32 mark. The Blue gradually recorded eight unanswered points down the stretch as junior Leslie Leong's (Sacramento, Calif.) free throw with 11 seconds to go trimmed the deficit to 20-17.
Freshman Maya Ramachandran (Fremont, Calif.) drained a pair of free throws after 1:38 elapsed in the second stanza to give MIT some breathing room; however, sophomore Courtney Jackson's (Baldwin, N.Y.) basket on Wellesley's ensuing possession sparked its pivotal run. Sargent, Leong, and Maier each contributed five points during the rally which established a 36-27 lead midway through the frame. The Engineers countered with an 8-2 spurt as three-pointers by freshman Durva Bhandare (North Brunswick, N.J.) and sophomore Mari Kordell (Ijamsville, Md.) sandwiched a jumper from sophomore Michelle Battipaglia (Katonah, N.Y.) and narrowed the gap to three (38-35) with 5:50 left to play.
Following two minutes of scoreless action, Maier sank a layup and added a three-pointer to increase the Blue's cushion to eight with 2:27 on the clock. MIT continued to attack, capitalizing on two layups by Ramachandran to trim the margin to 43-39 with 31 seconds remaining. The Engineers immediately fouled Leong on the in-bounds play who hit both of ends of the one-and-one. Kordell quickly cut the deficit in half (45-42) with a trey and then sent Wellesley back to the charity stripe in the double-bonus where it failed to convert both attempts with 18 seconds to go. On MIT's next trip down the court, senior Lauren Sascha Burton (Seattle, Wash.) tried to even the score but her trifecta was just off the mark. The Cardinal and Gray stopped the clock by fouling Sargent with five ticks left who sealed the victory by sinking both of her shots.
Kordell finished with a team-high 10 points and added six rebounds while Burton posted seven points and five assists. Ramachandran totaled six points, six boards, two blocks, and two assists as Battipaglia chipped in eight points and five rebounds coming off the bench. Freshman Sabrina Drammis (Hilton Head Island, S.C.) contributed six rebounds and two steals while junior Tamara Pena (Aliso Viejo, Calif.) grabbed three steals.
Sargent racked up 12 points and six rebounds while Leong hauled in a game-high 11 caroms in addition to nine points. As a team, Wellesley had the advantage in points in the paint (22-12) and points off turnovers (15-8) while its 18 offensive rebounds generated nine second-chance points.
Both squads continue NEWMAC play on Saturday, January 26. MIT will host WPI while Wellesley travels to Springfield College.


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As a junior Greg appeared in 20 games starting seven ... Was 2-2 with a 4.91 ERA ... He struck out 47 on the season which was good for second-most on the team ... His 66 hits allowed were the fourth-fewest in the Big West ... Walked just 14 batters, which was the second-fewest among conference pitchers ... His 35 runs allowed and 30 earned runs were fourth-fewest among Big West pitchers ... Had his best start as a Gaucho in at Pacific on May 29 ... Tossed a complete game, allowing just one run with four strikeouts in 110 pitches in a 5-1 UCSB victory ... On April 20 at USC he tossed five shutout innings only giving up three hits while striking out six and walking only two ... Posted a 10 inning scoreless streak that lasted from March 23 through April 10 ... Picked up his first win of the season with 1.1 strong relief innings on April 13 vs. Pepperdine ... Had a season-best six strikeouts on two occasions - April 20 at USC and May 4 at Cal State Bakersfield.
2010 Summer
Greg played for the Bend Elks in the West Coast League... He went 3 -1 with a 2.06 ERA in 39.1 innings... He played in 9 games only giving up 9 earned runs while striking out 29 and only walking 10.
Appeared in 15 games as a sophomore, starting twice...Went 1-1 on the season with a 5.86 ERA...Earned his win during his April 1 start at San Diego State, pitching four innings while allowing just one run and three hits with two strikeouts...Of his 29 hits allowed, only two went for extra bases...Had season-best three strikeouts on Apr. 28 vs. Cal State Bakersfield, tossing two scoreless frames...Had a 7.2 inning scoreless streak, spanning four appearances.
Pitched in eight games, including three starts...Struck out 14 batters in 17 innings...Allowed only one home run...Struck out five batters in a start against Pepperdine on Apr. 2...Struck out six batters in six innings while allowing only two runs against Cal State Northridge on Mar. 5...Threw two scoreless innings in relief against Westmont on Mar. 25.
High School
Played for Steve Lambright at Edison High School, where he pitched for the Chargers...First Team All-County and Sunset League Pitcher of the Year...Went 8-3 in league play with a 1.10 ERA and a .180 batting average against percentage...Pitched 70 innings with 61 strikeouts and 19 walks...Tied for second in Edison High School history with eight complete games...In sixth place with wins with eight.
Born March 13, 1989 in Fountain Valley Calif...Majoring in business economics at UCSB...Aspires to play professional baseball or become a business man...Played for Youse's Maryland Orioles in the summer of 2008...Went 3-0 with a 2.86 ERA in 25.1 innings, compiling 29 strikeouts...If he were not playing baseball he would be playing football or basketball...Roots for the Los Angeles Angels and San Diego Chargers...Lists favorite athletes as Cole Hamels and LaDainian Tomlinson...Favorite movies are "Alpha Dog", "Happy Gilmore", and "Old School"...Reads "Sports Illustrated"...Would choose Owen Wilson to star him in a Hollywood movie...Would invite Jessica Alba, Lauren Conrad and Michael Jordan to dinner if he could...Best advice he ever received about baseball: "There is always somebody working harder"...Has one brother, Ryan...Son of Anne and Charles Davis.
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  Innings Pitched	9.0	@ Pacific	5/29/10

  Strikeouts	6	three times	three times

  Walks	4	vs. Pepperdine	5/4/09

  Hits	9	@ Pacific	5/29/10

  Runs	7	@ Pepperdine	4/2/08

  Earned Runs	6	@ Pepperdine	4/2/08

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NEW YORK (AP) – A book of interviews with the future Pope Francis will be coming out in English at the end of the month.
"Pope Francis: Conversations with Jorge Bergoglio" is scheduled for release April 30, G.P. Putnam's Sons announced Thursday. The book, an international best seller published in Spanish in 2010, includes the Argentine's thoughts on everything from his childhood to civil unions to the military dictatorship of the 1970s and `80s in his native country. The interviews were compiled by journalists Sergio Rubin and Francesca Ambrogetti.
The former Archbishop Jorge Mario Bergoglio was chosen last month to succeed Pope Benedict XVI, who became the first pope in 600 years to resign.
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