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|2009-01-09, 08:05
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|2009-01-09, 08:27
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What is the symbollism that I missed? I assume you mean that a graduation ceremony is important in Japan. That I can understand. Gathering everyone I can understand. Telling everyone a story that they are already familiar with? That I don't understand. It's an anime, they have free reign of creative license. I was really expecting something more emotional than Nagisa talking about being sick and how she'll miss school.
I find it difficult to believe that the Japanese would find that scene emotionally involving, but I don't know Japanese intricacies like that so I could very well be wrong.
|2009-01-09, 08:40
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I wonder if you did pay attention to what Nagisa became over the course of the past...35 episodes.
She has so many hardship in finally getting graduated for the year she had to do thrice. Not only that, but her efforts were quite limited and she were "literally stuck" in time, as she couldn't go on. (Reference to her question "do you like school", with things that cannot stay the same, back in episode 1).
The whole speech itself has quite a symbolism how she was able to go on, thanks to Tomoya and everyone else. She could enjoy her third grade and finally get herself in society for good.
The whole graduation itself exposes her feelings and has a representation of how her life went. Some people would brush off as it might be just a sheet of paper to receive at a nameless graduation ceremony.
But for Nagisa, it was something she had it quite at heart, despite doing this thrice (and considering the reasons why she failed twice were out of her own responsibility, it adds more bitter and unfair flavor, yet she still face what she has to do, without lamenting or going frustrated over it).
This is the reason why Tomoya prepared such graduation: Nagisa is probably the one who wished to be graduated the most. After so many difficult time, she managed to do that, but fail to have a proper ceremony. A way to express and "reward" her resolve and also enjoy what she couldn't do thrice, with everyone around her.
That is probably one of the most important part of her life, and Tomoya and the rest figured out that much. I fail to see how this graduation was "meaningless", due to the high symbolism shared by all attendants.
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|2009-01-09, 09:18
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35, Klash, 35. But anyway, that was a good post.
Also, what's a ceremony without the companions who have gone through the road known as high school with her? She certainly didn't complete her attendance for that year without anyone's support.
And finally,
|2009-01-09, 09:26
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I believe my heart skipped its regular beating at least twice,
- Please let me take care of Nagisa! -
I braced myself for the impact, and it simply had no effect. Once again damn*t negau Ga kanau Basho ni.
And the moment I hear, Okazaki Nagisa.
Life is beautiful.
Omedetto Nagisa, you were the girl standing at the bottom of the hill.
And you fought really hard.
Still waiting for
Hoping for it at the next episode.
|2009-01-09, 09:35
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Who cares?
What I care is the fact, that, despite all that, she still loved the 5 years she went through, no matter the pain.
- ... that there is nothing that can replace my school life here.-
- ... it's a school that I love so much. Because it's the place I've worked so hard at.-
Now let's see. This could be done without Nagisa re telling the whole story of her hardships, true.
Any other suggestions?
Anything else would be fine as long as it ends with that lines above.
Yep, the important fact that Nagisa, despite her pain, never regretted a single seconds in her school life.
And what's with the title?
|2009-01-09, 09:51
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Best episode of the entire series. Only one that comes close is season 1 episode 14.
Initially, they have my favorite scene from the game, where it's Akio v. Tomoya. And they did the silence after Tomoya asked for Nagisa's hand in marriage. But, I was angry that they didn't keep Akio's line, my favorite in the game "Idiot, I told you I'd grant you whatever you want. I agreed the moment you asked. Get off the ground." Ah well, can't have everything.
And then they did the graduation, which I was surprised at, but they still managed to do it very well.
But, and episode that got me choked up twice deserves a 10/10. Unfortunately they did not do a new ED, so now the ED is going to get really awkward, IMHO.
|2009-01-09, 10:21
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Did the people around her doubt the fact that she liked school? I don't think any of the characters suspected her of resenting school seeing as how her parents were fine with her not completing it (IIRC). The audience should've had the ability to understand what was said without it being said at all. Spoon feeding it to me kinda ruined the entire thing.
Also, I never said it was meaningless. I said it was wasted airtime. I understood the point of the scene. That doesn't mean it realized its full potential. After watching it I was like, "What, that's it?"
|2009-01-09, 10:41
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Just think of it as a long, yet honest and heartful way of thanking all the people who made her graduation possible.
As Tomoya put it later: And with this, Nagisa's long, long school life finally finished. You ought to put some kind on ribbon on that. Nagisa's speech served that function.
|2009-01-09, 11:01
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An excellent episode, but I'll probably be the dissenter here and say this isn't the best episode of the series to date, maybe around the third best definitely in my opinion. The best one is still episode 12 of AS.
And moving on....
Baseball in the rain. I hate the sport with a stupid passion, but I can't imagine how difficult it must be to play that in the rain. Above anything, the challenge was really nothing more than a customary proof of determination. I doubt Akio really wouldn't have consented to letting Tomoya and Nagisa get married if he didn't hit the ball.
It's really more a trial of passage, whether or not he even hit the thing. I don't know how much proof Akio needs, but I believe all he wanted was to see just how a serious Tomoya was in asking his blessing to marry her. It was more of the multiple challenges Tomoya requested, as well as all the practice he did even in the rain just to learn how to swing better.
Akio said it best I think: "A child trying to grow up".
No doubt he still sees him as some kid trying to steal his daughter, but he definitely knows just how much growing Tomoya had already done. Baseball was merely a formality, trying to see just how much Tomoya has learned and how much he was determined to be with the woman he loved. He could have opted the child's way out, in the form of backing out, childish excuses and the like, but clearly it didn't cross his mind. He knew it was obviously impossible for him to hit that 105kph fastball with his broken arm, but if it was the only way for him to grant his wish, he'd do it even if it really was impossible.
I think Akio let him hit it, even in the game. Shoulder muscle injuries make ridiculous limits to ones arm capabilities. I'd guess he let him hit it to give him a sense of satisfaction, so that he'd have a chance to state is request for Nagisa's hand in marriage, to which Akio would have said yes to anyway. It's a guy thing lol.
"Do you like school?"
She never really definitively answered the question in episode 1, but I'm sure on the day of her mock graduation, she would have answered very differently. High school will have both some of the best and some of the worst memories one will have.
Her speech, while somewhat corny, is her vindication of sorts to the 5 years she had to spend as pretty much an outcast. Sickly, bad at making friends, awkward and clumsy, she asks herself the question on that April morning at the bottom of the hill. She is unsure of what the answer is, and she only does it so she could pull herself through the day, besides the Anpan anyway.
"Then make it fun."
She said so herself. The last 2 years of her high school life saw a drastic change in her person and her life. All because some blue haired delinquent offered to answer her rhetorical question with a challenge.
And there she finds the strength to admit on her graduation speech that somehow, despite the loneliness and isolation she had always felt, she finally felt some measure of happiness and enjoyment in her last 2 senior years. The drama club, the friends she made, the challenges she faced, the sick days she endured...
And, of course, the man she would eventually marry.
Because of Tomoya and her friends, she doesn't regret the days of ups and downs she spent in those hallways. On the final day of her wearing her uniform, she could easily say that, indeed, high school made her happy.
I don't know if it's because I've played the game, but Tomoya's father's expression of an almost empty and emotionless smile isn't really disconcerting. He had always been like that, visually at least, as far as the series and the game presented him to be. If my experiences has taught me anything, it's always these kinds of people who have a lot of things sealed away inside.
"Please take care of Tomoya."
You usually don't expect to hear the groom's father say this, almost as if to relinquish he stewardship of his son to his wife. Then again, how much of a father was he to begin with? Not much, as we tend to see.
But he gives him up to her, almost as if he's acknowledging his failure as a father, as a parent. It is almost like... penance of sorts.
I should also say that the game didn't have a wedding scene so I doubt we'll have one here. Then again, are marriages really all about tearjerking ceremonies, cake cutting and bouquet throwing? Or is it about the union of two humans in a (hopefully) unbreakable bond, beyond life, even beyond death?
And finally, I had a huge freakish smile on my face when he said she'd be "Okazaki Nagisa" from now on.
KyotoAni can still keep the same ED for the next 2 or 3 episodes, but they definitely need to change it after that. It's going to be really out of place after then.
|2009-01-09, 11:27
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At the bottom of the hill, a girl asked herself,
- Do you like school? -
5 years later, on the top of the hill, she answered.
-... it's a school that I love so much. Because it's the place I've worked so hard at.-
It was an answer she came up.
This time around with all her confidence.
|2009-01-09, 11:40
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Besides the mood and quality of the story, one thing that distinguishes After Story from School Life is the music. It is just so much more solemn and heart warming than the lively and casual music we've been hearing before.
While the concept of the unwilling future father-in-law in letting go of his beloved daughter by setting up a challenge for his prospective son-in-law is cliche, Akio remains GAR and graceful all the way, including coming to terms with accepting this brat as his son-in-law.
Nagisa drunk is so kawaii. Enough said.
It was a joy to see the graduation scene, this time with Kotomi and Yukine, as well as Nishina and her choir club, thus making it even more complete.
Nagisa can count herself lucky with such great friends, willing to take time off just for her "graduation". Especially Kotomi, who flew back from her studies in America just for this. Then again, this took place sometime after the official graduation in March/April, so Kotomi probably took advantage of the long Easter Vacation schools offer there.
(Still, LOL'ed at Tomoya saying "That's too bad" when Sunohara says he might get fired if he just skip work to help out Nagisa. Second LOL goes to Sunohara's unbleached hair, though that was blunted by the fact we've all seen Sunohara unbleached in the Tomoyo special DVD episode. )
It's probably Nagisa's insistence that they get to visit Tomoya's father again so she could meet her father-in-law. While it is slow, Nagisa's effort may eventually pave the way for reconciliation between father and son.
Finally, Nagisa seems to have matured a lot not just mentally, but physically as well into a beautiful woman when she tied her hair back. Let's all say hi to Mrs Okazaki.
Speaking of rain, besides adapting a good story, and near-consistent animation (with few, though harmless, flaws). if it is something Kyoto Animation that does as good as those, it is animating water, IMHO. Look at how thick the rain is surrounding the characters. I swore I was just gazing at the constant rain splattering off their heads and shoulders for some time.
Nagisa reveals her true fears while drunk: She knows her biggest adversary for Tomoya is none other than her mother! And if done properly, Sanae might be even swayed to Tomoya's side, making Akio feel very, very threatened indeed. Father and daughter may have to join forces to prevent an unwanted harem from forming.
Oh, and before I forget: A big Welcome to Dango Mk II.
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|2009-01-09, 13:33
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Episode 13 article is up:
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It's a good episode, but it's a testament to the power of Ep12 that even this pales in comparison. I'll give this an 8.
|2009-01-09, 16:28
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|2009-01-09, 17:51
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Do not think its insecurity at all, it more like possessiveness. It was like her saying that this is mine, any other woman is not allowed to flirt, including mother, with him. Her mother knew what was going on and was teasing her a bit.
For those who have not gone through it, a newly engaged girl is scary. I walked around for about a year looking at the ground to make sure I saw nothing from her perspective; I was never one to looking around anyway.
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35-38: Frenzy - 4/5
39-39: Improved Mend Pet - 2/2
40-40: Bestial Wrath - 1/1
41-43: Ferocious Inspiration - 3/3
44-44: Pathfinding - 1/2
45-49: Serpents Swiftness - 5/5
50-50: The Beast Within - 1/1
51-51: Invigoration - 1/2
52-54: Longevity - 3/3
55-59: Kindred Spirits - 5/5
Now we go into the Marksman Tree.
60-64: Lethal Shots - 5/5
65-69: Mortal Shots - 5/5
70-71: Rapid Killing - 2/2
72-73: Go For the Throat - 2/2
74-76: Careful Aim - 3/3
77-79: Focused Aim - 3/3
80-80: Readiness - 1/1
This is the link to the final build.
==NOTE== At 80 I would recommend respeccing to a build that suits what you want to accomplish at end-game be it raiding, pvp or farming.
Pet Choice For pets, you can use whatever you want untill Level 32. Then you get the Gorilla.
==NOTE== While you get the Gorilla at Level 32 you can not use the following rotation until you get to Level 40 and get the Volley Spell. (You can tame a gorilla in Stranglethorn Vale). (You should have some Bread, Fruit or Fungus on hand to feed your pet once you tame it. You can start loading up on Fungus Food in either Tarren Mill, Hammerfall or Undercity. Alliance can get them from Stormwind, and Ironforge Be sure to buy Delicious Cave Mold and Raw Black Truffle from the Fungus Vendors. )
Here is a video of the Gorilla's prowess. To be simple:
- Pull 4+ Enemies,
- Cast Mend Pet,
- Let your Gorilla Thunderstomp twice,
- Use Volley untill mobs die.
1-10: You do not have your pet yet, so just Serpent Sting and then melee the mob down.
Aspect of the Viper: From Level 20 onwards if you ever finding you are running low on mana, simply turn on Aspect of the Viper to quickly regain that mana.
10-40: Send in pet, make sure that Growl is on, and then Hunter's Mark, Serpent Sting and Arcane Shot whenever the cooldown is up.
40-50: Now you have learned Volley you can use the AoE Rotation above when facing multiple enemies, or continue to use the above rotation for single target damage.
==NOTE== The AoE rotation stays the same from now on.
50-71: Steady Shot it took us 50 levels to get it, but we have it now. This is your new Single Target rotation: Hunter's Mark, Serpent Sting, Steady Shot until dead. (Be sure to renew Serpent Sting if it goes through the entire duration.)
71-80: Now we can train Kill Shot. Now your dps becomes even easier. First, copy this macro:
#showtooltip steady shot
/cast kill shot
/cast [harm,nodead] steady shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
Now the rotation. Hunter's Mark, Serpent Sting, and then spam the above Macro. What the macro does is that it automatically fires a Kill Shot if the enemy your attacking is below 20% health.
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My pet recommendation
Submitted by Lycander on Wed, 2010-03-17 07:57.
Heya, Zerinj. Love the guide. For the hunber pet after 40, I'd recommend a bear. They come with the swipe ability, which is good for the crowd control before you get stomp. Just a thought for this. Thanks again for the guide!
new to wow-pro
Submitted by geordiboy on Mon, 2010-10-18 14:39.
just wanted to say guides are great and been following most of the class guides just wondered now the new patch is out will there be a new talent tree update as the the talent trees have changed ? keep up the great work
I have a pet butterfly that
Submitted by Tard on Wed, 2010-05-05 09:05.
I have a pet butterfly that I want to level to 80 (technically a moth). Are they viable?
Ive just updated this guide
Submitted by Shizu on Sat, 2009-08-15 20:54.
Ive just updated this guide Click Me Hope you enjoy it if i miss something please coment!
I am Paladin - Play Free Online Games
Hi there ive read this guide
Submitted by Shizu on Fri, 2009-08-14 20:16.
Hi there ive read this guide and its really outdated! can someone please tell me how i can update this guide rather to create a new one? or if thats not possible can i take the guide as a reference?
I am Paladin - Play Free Online Games
It would probably be best to
Submitted by Jiyambi on Fri, 2009-08-14 22:22.
It would probably be best to release a new guide with this as a reference. I will send you the code for this guide in a personal message - that way you won't have to start from scratch.
Updating to 3.1?
Submitted by Gahlok on Sat, 2009-07-04 04:14.
Are there plans to update the talent leveling spec for 3.1? Or the one posted is still viable?
I believe an update is in
Submitted by Jiyambi on Sat, 2009-07-04 21:27.
I believe an update is in the works for this, either Maw or Trollvink was planning on updating it, though I'm not sure if they ever worked out who was doing that.
Why Gorilla at 32?
Submitted by snoman959 on Mon, 2009-06-29 19:49.
I watched the video and I am still confused on why a gorilla is the recomended pet? Thunderstomp is an ability that any tenacity pet can get once they are 40. The video shows the gorilla using that ability to great effect, but can't any tenacity pet do the same thing? I'm sorry but I just don't know what makes the gorilla a stronger choice over another tenacity pet.
Because they rock
Submitted by Zylanna on Tue, 2010-09-07 17:27.
I know that originally Thunderstomp was an Gorilla-only talent, thus making Gorillas the only really viable tank pet. Now it has been moved into the tenacity tree, and *in principle* any tenacity pet can tank.
As for bears, though, I'm not that certain. I have an ape and a bear. I can pull aggro off Theodore (Teddy-bear) in 10 seconds flat - no problem, no effort - even in Aspect of the Viper. It's *easy*, and always has been.
Tubby (the ape), however, is a whole 'nother story. I have to work to pull aggro off him, and sometimes even when I succeed if he has a taunt CD up he can get the mob back. He's the baddest tank I've used. I can even turn thunderstomp off to avoid aggroing nearby mobs, and he'll still hold aggro - I just have to be careful.
My theory is that the apes were the Original Tank Pet. Whether by accident or design, they turned out to be more effective at it than other so-called tenacity pets. I will have to check out that Warpstalker, though. A very good hunter I knew back before I rolled a hunter swore by them, too, and since they're an Outlands pet, maybe they are kind of the Outland version of an Ape.
Submitted by BattleLord on Mon, 2009-06-29 22:24.
Thunderstomp used to be a Gorilla only ability pre- 3.0 or 3.1 if memory is correct. Afterwards it was moved to the Tenacity talent page.
Submitted by snoman959 on Tue, 2009-06-30 01:39.
Thank you! So basically at this point you should be able to do the same basic thing with any tenacity pet right?
tenacity pets
Submitted by Celtmom on Tue, 2009-08-11 19:58.
Yes, you can create the same build and effects with any tenacity pet.
I used a gorilla up to 63, when I tamed a warpstalker from Terokkar forest (also a tenacity pet). It was a fantastic upgrade, and fun to watch him thunderstomp!
Something is wrong with this Kill Shot macro
Submitted by jaypee68 on Mon, 2009-06-29 00:04.
Can't seem to figure it out, but there seems to be something wrong with the following macro...
#showtooltip steady shot
/cast kill shot
/cast [harm,nodead] steady shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
Steady shot never fires for me in this macro. I copied this macro from the rotations section on this page. Steady Shot works fine otherwise. Any ideas?
Hey, This is because in 3.1
Submitted by Joeyn on Tue, 2009-06-30 12:35.
This is because in 3.1 Kill Shot was put on the global cooldown, i.e. when kill shot is cast it tries to do the 1.5 second rotation like every other ability, therefore you must separate these two abilities
Hope this helps
If I am reading the changes
Submitted by sparks on Wed, 2009-05-13 13:27.
If I am reading the changes correctly then the earliest you could get thunderstomp from talents is level 44.
Is this correct?
I have aoe leveled my mage to 40 and aoe is fun and frustrating at the same time.
Compared to a mage how much damage and how quickly can you level using aoe?
Can you do it all the way to 80?
Do you know a listing of places that are the best for hunter aoe leveling?
Deacon Brown with all tenacity pets getting thunderstomp, the 2 best are bear-thunderstomp and swipe so he will generate even more agro. And the Crocolisk---thunderstomp and bad attitude.
BAD ATTITUDE=Snap back for X to Y damage at any target that strikes you for the next 45 sec.
this is what you want now. Of course they are ugly.
Hey sparks, Thunderstop
Submitted by Joeyn on Tue, 2009-06-30 12:41.
Hey sparks,
Thunderstop leveling gives great AOE ability. It works from when you get thunderstop right up to and including level 80. Leveling from 70 to 80 following Jame's guides, 2 peices of tier 5 (gives a bonus that 10% of my damage heals my pet) and aoe was extremely quickly. It took around 1-2 volleys on average to kill whatever mobs I had, with much of the tier 5 healing being overhealing. The slowest bit of this method is rounding up the mobs but using a combination of your own shots, and puttling your pet on different targets can greatly speed it up. In comparison to a mage, although I haven't played one I would assume it would be much faster due to a complete lack of downtime because of aspect of the viper. I would not advise AOE grinding for hunters, merely use aoe to acomplish the quests specified in Jame's guides.
Hope this helped
Please update
Submitted by Deacon Brown on Sun, 2009-05-10 10:13.
Hi Ya
It would be nice if you could update this page, I have used your guild and build and it has helped me loads.
But i am now lost as I do not know what build to give my hunter and my pet gorilla
Submitted by Unbreakable on Thu, 2009-04-09 22:59.
Note that in 3.1 all tenacity pets get Thunderstomp. So you might want to prepare to update the pet section in your guide.
Submitted by derekj54 on Wed, 2009-03-11 10:34.
I tamed a turtle and the next time i logged back on his 50%dmg for 12sec ability is gone off of the pet bar, there is a blank spot there, anyway to get it back? its not in the pet skill window
Open your spellbook (P)
Submitted by Unbreakable on Fri, 2009-04-10 22:05.
Open your spellbook (P) click the pet tab, and there it is.
Alliance food vendor
Submitted by Lycander on Wed, 2009-03-04 10:26.
For alliance, the innkeeper next to the Storwmind bank has bread up to level 75, and so does everyone's favorite bread vendor wandering around the Ironforge AH and bank. I think it might be a little easier for Alliance to buy them there instead of Tarren Mill, Hammerfall, or Undercity. Other than that, this is a great guide! I was cruising along with my Ghost Saber at 35 and happy with him and never would have thought to AoE with a gorilla.
On a side note, what do you recommend as the stats to look for on gear? I've heard Agil > AP > Crit > Stam > Int. Is that right, or severely out of whack?
Its more like Agi > AP > Int
Submitted by Tzu Iop on Sun, 2009-03-15 02:51.
Its more like Agi > AP > Int > Crit > Sta and with Careful Aim maxed out its Int > Agi > AP > Crit > Sta for leveling and farming purpose.
You actually don't need Sta at all the gain from leveling is enough for you and your pet, so if you run an instance consider that and do not roll Need on pure Sta-Stuff. Leave that for Shamans, Druid and Rouges.
Int is given a high value as it determines how often you have pull out Aspect of the Viper and therefore dropping your dps. More Int -> more Mana -> less time in Viper as its regeneration is based on a percentage of you max mana. Though you should never roll Need on pure Intstuff. Only when it comes with Agi or AP on Leather and has not SP on it, than its for you.
One a second note Agi is only slightly better than AP as 1 Agi = 1 AP + very low percentage of critrating. (A green of your level with Agi on it usually results in ~1% crit.) But you normaly find much higher AP Counts than Agi counts on items of the same level so usually items with AP on it are far superior.
I recommend you Rating Buster for you items choices as its summs up the secondary stats on items, also consider if you have Careful Aim or not and displays the differnce between current tooltip and the item currently equiped in this slot.
Submitted by Endd on Wed, 2009-02-11 22:00.
Hello. On my paladin, i have a ton of emblems, and i was thinking about buying heirlooms and leveling a hunter. I found this guide, and right when I was about to get on, there was patch 3.0.8. I saw that volley and steady shot had been nerfed, and wondered if the gorilla aoe grinding method was still the fastest way to level. And if this is not true anymore, will this guide be getting an update?
For some suggestions, maybe you could add an heirloom section? Sure, which ones to get and which enchants seem obvious, but i read somewhere that pets now receive way more of your stamina, so for leveling would it be worth it to get one sword and one dagger, instead of two daggers? And what is the best scope that can be put on the bow? Your could also add a sample pet talent tree, because some people like me who haven't played as a hunter might not know which points are worth getting.
Also, sorry if I sound like a noob, I have never played as a hunter before.
Love the site!
Submitted by Holyterror on Fri, 2009-02-06 17:39.
I absolutely love this site...I can log in almost every day and find new useful info. TY Jame
I do have to say that the fat belly pic on every page is disgusting
I have a lvl 71 Huntard and after reading this guide I went and tamed my first gorilla ( I have always been a cat person ).
OMG this is insane leveling. I gather up as many mobs as I can on my wolf, dismount, drop a heal pet as he aoe spanks mobs and get agrro, then frop fire trap and chain volley till they drop dead. HAHAHAHAHA love it.
Thank you for this awesome guide. I only wish I had read this at 40.
DKs rule...others drool
DKs rule...others drool
Fat belly? WTH are you guys
Submitted by Jame on Mon, 2009-02-16 15:18.
Fat belly? WTH are you guys talking about?
Hah, I was thinking that
Submitted by Jiyambi on Thu, 2009-02-12 01:32.
Hah, I was thinking that about the fat stomach every time I saw it!
Submitted by eckomaniac on Tue, 2009-01-27 17:54.
I find your guide really useful and followed your guide till
I reached lvl 62. Just wondering can you also post hunter spec for
pvp? I am really sick and tired of getting killed by DKs...
Hai there, Even if the
Submitted by Trollvink on Fri, 2009-01-30 11:00.
Hai there,
Even if the autor would add a spec for PvP (this is a leveling guide, after all), you shouldn't take it while leveling.
And DK's will kill you, they're simply overpowered from 55 - 70.
Instead of two on improved
Submitted by Dabomb on Tue, 2009-01-27 17:11.
Instead of two on improved revive pet do two on improved mend pet.
Just a suggestion.
What stats should you focus
Submitted by Nyon on Thu, 2009-01-15 02:52.
What stats should you focus on while leveling a BM Hunter? Agility--Stamina--Strength? Is there a type of ranged weapon you should generally get while leveling (if there's a type of ranged weapon that is just simply generally better than the other two types), or does it not matter?(I think this might also be good to add into the guide)
Guide looks well-written, by the way.
Hello there, As you said,
Submitted by Trollvink on Fri, 2009-01-16 10:29.
Hello there,
As you said, you should level as Beast Mastery.
You should get stats in this order, as BM:
Agility > Attack Power > Stamina.
As BM you want to avoid the stat 'Haste', as it would bring down the casting time of Steady Shot to less then 1.5. that way, the Global Cooldown (You know, the one you get on all spells when you use an instant) is too high and you can't spam Steady Shot. Also, Armor Penetration isn't a very good stat. You shouldnt see this until Outland and Northrend though.
Your ranged weapon doesn't matter, just Bows, Crossbows and Guns. try to focus on the speed and damage-range. Like I said, you don't want your SS to be too fast so that it doesn't work well with the Global Cooldown.
Well as far as the base
Submitted by Jiruru on Thu, 2009-01-15 11:29.
Well as far as the base stats go, Agility is your main focus stat. Stamina and Intellect are kind of incidental on Hunter gear once you get to Northrend; Stamina isn't extremely useful overall but it still helps, and Intellect helps a bunch once you have Careful Aim. Before Northrend, Agility is just the major aim. For the other stats, Strength is the most useless, and Spirit doesn't help much either, but it contributes just a tiny bit more than Strength does. (Keep in mind Attack and Crit rating are also handy for leveling but they don't show up too much before Outland.)
You got that wrong.
Submitted by Trollvink on Fri, 2009-01-30 10:54.
Stamina isn't extremely useful overall but it still helps
Stamina scales with your pet, if your pet is taking the hits, then stamina helps. Alot.
All right, please don't
Submitted by Jiruru on Sun, 2009-02-01 02:47.
All right, please don't twist my words like that. My post directly said "Stamina helps," (it even says that in the part you quoted) just not on the scale that Agility does. I simply said it wasn't extremely useful, at that level of superlative. Is it useful? Yes. Is it very useful? Yes. Is it amazingly world-stoppingly mind-bendingly above-all-else useful? Probably not.
Edit: Well, I guess I can see where a source of confusion might be. People use terms like "not very good" as a nicer way to say "bad" (ie: Pokemon's "not very effective") so I could see someone taking "not extremely useful" as meaning "bad" as well. That wasn't my intention with the phrase at all.
A few suggestions on improvements
Submitted by Deea on Tue, 2008-12-30 13:40.
Firstly, the talent build.
You put 2 points in Improved Revive Pet. It's a great talent in instances with pet-unfriendly fights, but for soloing? If your pet dies while soloing and the mobs aggro you, then you probably won't start rezzing your pet, you'll just Feign Death and rezz it afterward. Therefore, you don't gain much benefit from the talent. Those 2 points would be much better spent in Thick Hide or, even better, Spirit Bond.
Readiness for soloing? What on earth could you possibly use it for? Not to mention that with the next patch it will not affect Bestial Wrath anymore.
Rapid Killing... I used it for leveling and noticed that by the time I moved on to kill my next mob the 20 second duration of the buff would have already worn off. Maybe I was just slow, but I didn't get so much benefit from it. Instead, I chose to spend those points in Improved Tracking, which is a great talent even if you don't put 5/5 in it.
As for Pathfinding and Invigoration... They are nice talents, but there are far more useful talents in the tree to put points in, IMO.
Here is the talent build that I've used for leveling, maybe it's not perfect, but for me it was very efficient.
As for using it in instances, it can dish out some DPS, but if you REALLY want to do instances as you level up, then don't bother with using a talent build specifically designed for leveling, just level up with a normal DPS build and a DPS pet. You won't level up as fast, but you will top damage meters.
Secondly, in the rotations section, consider adding a paragraph about Aspect of the Viper. Volley will drain your mana quite fast, so you have to alternate between killing multiple mobs and one at a time. The fact that Volley will tear through your ranged weapon's durability like crazy is another thing you might want to mention.
And lastly, addons.
No Omen? Omen is the single, most useful addon a hunter could possibly have. Having a pet that tanks for us at all times, being careful not to over-aggro is our priority. Agreed that with the changes Wrath brought us, it may not be so mandatory, but it's definitely a lot lore useful than Bartender4 and whatnot.
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Hmm, I personally almost
Submitted by Jame on Tue, 2008-12-30 17:19.
Hmm, I personally almost never lose my pet while solo'ing, so I really never cared for Improved Resurrection.
It's even less useful if you level with a ferocity pet and take heart of the phoenix.
So I guess it's down to personal preference.
Spirit Bond is terrible for
Submitted by Jiruru on Wed, 2008-12-31 01:42.
Spirit Bond is terrible for soloing. Thanks to its buffs it's no longer totally useless as it once was, but for just soloing it serves very little purpose, mostly thanks to the new pet talent trees.
Edit: Oh dear, I hadn't considered it would actually be very useful to those who play on PvP servers. I'm only on PvE ones and so I can't get attacked in the wilderness, but for those on servers where they can Spirit Bond is much more useful.
Another edit: I'm sorry for sounding so harsh. I'm just having troubles in my personal life and taking them out on everything.
Spirit Bond combined with
Submitted by Deea on Wed, 2008-12-31 01:57.
Spirit Bond combined with Blood of the Rhino is AWESOME Blood of the Rhino actually increases the healing done by Spirit Bond itself on each tick!
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A thing worth mentioning
Submitted by Maw on Mon, 2008-12-29 20:32.
A thing worth mentioning about the gorillas is that they needs to be fed with bananas (I may be wrong on this point, but since the last time I used a gorilla; bananas were the thing). A good addition to this guide would be how you easily can get your hands on these bananas while leveling.
Submitted by Celtmom on Wed, 2009-08-12 08:36.
If you have a pet that eats fruit (I currently have a lovely white warp stalker) and you're at least level 65, do yourself a favor and get a port to Dalaran. The fruit vendor there, Applebough, sells wonderful Tundra Berries that will restore a whopping 18480 health over 30 seconds, compared to the Telari Grapes (only 7500 health per 30 seconds) that you can buy in Outlands. I was stunned to find the Tundra Berries were available at level 65, and make sure to keep enough stacks to feed no only pet but myself too!
Telari Grapes
vs. Tundra Berries


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"The defendant is not responsible in principle for the video content on its site; only the users of the site are," the decision reads.The case went so poorly for TF1 that it was told to pay Google's legal expenses. TF1 has suggested that it will appeal, calling the ruling "surprising."
"It has no obligation to police the content before it is put online as long as it informs users that posting television shows, music videos, concerts or advertisements without prior consent of the owner is not allowed."
There have been a series of similar lawsuits filed around the globe, with mixed results, but hopefully we're reaching an era where courts (and companies) finally understand that a platform should never be directly liable for the actions of its users.


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A motivated team is key to high productivity and optimises the use of a manager's time. This e-learning course will help you to focus individual and collective efforts to increase performance.
To succeed in motivating co-workers, managers must understand how motivation comes about, what levers can be used to raise it and when to apply them. Doing so will help a manager meet targets and expectations as it encourages co-workers to be more productive and take the initiative.
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