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Dialogue "Samuel Hunter" Host Marcia Franklin talks with Moscow native playwright Samuel Hunter about his works and the influence of Idaho in his plays. Hunter, who was in Boise recently to help direct one of his plays, is the recipient of a 2011 Obie Award, the equivalent of a Tony Award for off-Broadway productions, for his play A Bright New Boise.G
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America ReFramed "La Americana" When nine-year-old Carla suffers a life-threatening accident, her mother, Carmen, must leave her behind and make the dangerous and illegal journey from Bolivia to the U.S., where she hopes to earn enough to save her daughter's life. Working in New York to support Carla's medical needs, Carmen struggles in vain to legalize her immigration status, and wrestles with the prospect of never seeing her daughter again. D
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My Goal - Gold for My Country "Medal Quest" MEDAL QUEST kicks off with an introduction to "the best athletes in the world" -- the elite athletes of the Paralympic Games. Competing in sports as different as wheelchair basketball, archery, judo, cycling, and more, these American athletes personify the grit, the strategy, and the skill it takes to go for the gold. Watch the video, hear these athletes' stories, and see them compete around the world, as they prepare for the London Games, starting August 29, 2012. D
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Your Vote 2012: The Latino Vote With Field-reporting from Colorado the program will examine the national debate on immigration through the Colorado experience. Colorado's Latino population is the 8th-largest in the nation, with nearly half a million eligible Latino voters. We'll examine the complexities inherent in "The Latino Vote", and reveal its multi-faceted nature. D
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Global Voices "Our Disappeared/Nuestros Desaparecidos" They dreamed of a revolution that would transform Argentina. But what exactly happened to this hopeful generation who suddenly "disappeared"? Thirty years after leaving his native country of Argentina, Director Juan Mandelbaum discovers that a former college girlfriend was among the thousands abducted, tortured and "disappeared" during the country's military dictatorship from 1976 to 1983. His personal journey, along with others who lost loved ones, tells the story behind the brutal events that still haunts Argentina today. D


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Elmo lives!
Even though puppeteer Kevin Clash abruptly resigned from "Sesame Street" in the wake of an underage gay sex scandal, children and parents aren't likely to see changes on the show for nearly a couple of years.
Clash has already taped episodes through 2014, according to show executives.
Meanwhile, Clash's latest accuser, Cecil Singleton, 24, said the puppeteer tried to keep him from learning about his real job.
"It was essential to him that I not find out who he actually was," Singleton, who is suing Clash for $5 million, told TMZ.
And Jeff Herman, Singleton's lawyer, told the Mail that two other young men have approached him with stories similar to his client's. He said he's "vetting'' them.
Even though his alter ego had to go into hiding, the popular furry red monster will still be in today's Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade.
A Macy's spokesman said Elmo will join his Muppet friends on the "Sesame Street" float today as he has in past years with an alternate puppeteer bringing him to life.

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I was referred to Dr. O'Callaghan and called her office on her day off. Her answering service connected me to her phone and she agreed to meet me at her Berkeley office. I was in extreme pain, there's nothing quite like a tooth ache. She arrived at her office with children in tow and her mom too! I'd heard so many horror stories about root canals probably just as many as I have labor stories. Anyway, I was crazy nervous. After a quick exam she told me I needed an root canal, numbed my mouth, and I haven't felt any pain in that tooth since. Other than the anesthesia, everything was painless. I'm very grateful for her flexibility and the best darn root canal story.
I recently had my second root canal by Dr. O'Callaghan, both experiences were by far the best I have ever had and I have had at least 8 other root canals throughout my life. She is gentle,fast and efficent. Also has a good sense of humor. I am a complete chicken when it comes to dental work, but I would pick her over any of the several other dentist/specialists I have had for root canals in the past, hands down.
I saw Dr. O'Callaghan for an emergency root canal on her day off and she was fantastic. She was warm and friendly as well as extremely professional. She explained what was happening and made me feel as if I were a part of the process. All in all, my experience was as good as it could be while getting a root canal.
I just came back from Dr O'Callaghan's office yesterday. I've seen two dentists in the last year, Dr Henry Yang and Dr Scott Mackenzie (who I love!), and they both referred me to her. So, I knew she was good. Yeah, I read the Yelp reviews before I went... and they couldn't be more wrong. Dr O'Callaghan is lovely, funny, warm and very personable. I felt totally at ease while she examined me and recommended that we do some additional care at home for 3 weeks before we do anything hasty. I loved her honesty and appreciated her treating my issue with a "wait and see' kind of attitude instead of diving in for a root canal. Her staff are all lovely and Alexia is a gem! Thanks ladies!!!!
Went in for a root canal evaluation, wasn't sure if it was the tooth and/or TMJ and/or a sinus infection. Dr. O'Callaghan was conservative, advised waiting to be sure the tooth was in fact the core problem. Post root canal, my face is happy again!! Staff was polite and helpful on appointments and insurance. Dr. O. was training a new staff person during my root canal. It's clear she sets high standards for her staff. Minor delays, but these happen in any busy office, especially if the doctor takes time to answer all questions, which she does. Overall very professtional and positive experience.
I've had two root canals in less than a year (one on my front tooth and the second one in the back near my molars). In both cases, Dr. O'Callaghan, observed the tooth in question for a few weeks/months before jumping for the drill. I healed quickly for both and was back at work the same day. She's a great dentist and was very friendly and explained all parts of the procedure. In one case, I was concerned with some swelling (that turned out to be a sinus infection) and she got me in for an appointment the same day to check the status of the root canal. Overall - very pleased with my time with Dr. O'Callaghan and her staff.
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ST. LOUIS (AP) Typically, a Sam Bradford rehab update in early June is not a major media event.
Blame it on the other Sam on the St. Louis Rams roster. Attention was super-sized Thursday because of rookie defensive end Michael Sam.
''I figured that's where you guys would be,'' Bradford joked after a workout.
Sam, the first openly gay player drafted in the NFL, meets with reporters on Friday. The team is hoping the hubbub will die down eventually and Sam will be treated like any other seventh-round pick.
''I think the media doesn't give athletes enough credit for just accepting players as they are,'' said wide receiver T.J. Moe, who was Sam's teammate at Missouri. ''They just assume it's a tough-guy culture, and `How are they possibly going to handle it?' I think maybe it's the other way around. How are the media handling it?''
Bradford, the first overall pick in 2010, is more than five months removed from left knee surgery and said everything is on schedule. The quarterback got a scheduled day off to allow for bounce-back time and is expected to practice Friday.
''To be honest, throughout the process I've felt really good and felt better than what I'd anticipated,'' Bradford said. ''Even when you're healthy you have good days with your arm and bad days with your arm, and now it's kind of the same thing with my knee.''
During the rehab, Bradford has added upper-body strength and believes he has a ''little more pop'' on his throws.
''Moving around great,'' coach Jeff Fisher said. ''Yeah, he does everything. He's doing all the drops and the footwork is really good.''
Rumors the Rams might draft Johnny Manziel were easy for Bradford to dismiss. He was kept in the loop by Fisher and general manager Les Snead during the offseason.
''They made it very clear what their plan was,'' Bradford said. ''They continue to make that clear.''
Neither Bradford nor Fisher believe the quarterback has anything extra to prove this season. The Rams drafted protection for Bradford, taking Auburn offensive tackle Greg Robinson with the second overall pick, and held onto guard Rodger Saffold. They added veteran wide receiver Kenny Britt to the mix, too, reuniting him with Fisher.
Britt made a couple of nice catches and also was involved in a bit of a scuffle Thursday.
''Right now I'm actually taking this year as a rookie year and building my platform,'' Britt said. ''Everything starts from scratch.''
Britt had little to say about a sexually explicit video posted to his Instagram account last month.
''That's something that touches home,'' he said. ''Me and my wife have to deal with that. We're going to leave it at that.''
Notes: Fisher anticipates offensive tackle Jake Long, also rehabbing from knee surgery, will be ready to participate in the middle of training camp and was ''on pace'' to start the opener. Long was hurt at the end of the season and his operation was in January, about two months after Bradford's procedure.
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DARTMOUTH — The Select Board thought they were holding a public hearing on the upcoming renewal of Comcast of Southern New England's cable television license on Monday night, but instead they ended up hosting a public love-in for Dartmouth Community Television (DCTV).
DCTV provides the town with public access, education and government (PEG) programming with a small paid staff, 10 work-study students from UMass Dartmouth, and a host of volunteers ranging from senior citizens to high school students, Director of Media Dr. Cynthia Marland told Selectmen at the outset of the hearing.
Operations are totally funded by Comcast cable television subscribers, with 3.75 percent of subscriber charges turned over to the town each year by the cable company. DCTV is hoping to see that turnback to the town increase to 4.5 percent of subscriber bills in the next contract, Dr. Marland said.
"DCTV is funded through Comcast, but it is really a town department independent of Comcast," she noted.
The increase would add between 15 and 75 cents per month to the bills of Dartmouth cable customers, depending on the level of services they subscribe to, she indicated. The extra revenue would help fund more coverage of town government meetings, new programming, and expanded partnerships with local environmental and arts groups, she said.
About 25 residents packed the meeting room where the hearing was held, and got to enjoy a brief video presentation of the wide range of programming regularly presented by DCTV.
The offerings include broadcasts of meetings of town boards, political debates, community events such as summer concerts and parades, programs on local history and sporting events, and even locally-produced health and cooking shows.
After the show, a dozen supporters trooped up to the microphone to sing the praises of the DCTV staff and its programming, indirectly encouraging the Select Board to seek additional funding for operations by the cable company during contract negotiations.
Only retired Dartmouth Budget & Finance Director Ed Iacaponi actually mentioned Comcast during his comments, speaking in support of the slight increase in funding DCTV was requesting, and urging the Select Board seek the higher rate during the license renewal process.
"In the last decade, DCTV has come a long way" and could provide even more community programming with additional funding, he suggested.
Retired teacher Jim Travers noted he used DCTV programs as a teaching tool for many years, and said he felt the educational offerings were of great value to the school system.
Dartmouth High Unified Arts program head Judy Cronin praised the professionalism of the DCTV staffers working with broadcast journalism classes, and high school video production teacher Michelle Alexander said the collaboration with DCTV has helped students gain valuable technical skills and experience working as part of a team.
School Committee member Greg Jones said his board offered their "full support" to DCTV operations, citing their great work presenting numerous school concerts during the holiday season, and their partnerships with media classes.
Dartmouth Rotary Club member Mark Medeiros suggested local service organizations appreciate the regular support of DCTV for public service broadcasts such as the club's annual Candidate's Night, as well as other community events.
"I think it's a great thing that so many people are here to support DCTV," Dr. Marland said just before the video presentation. From the smiles of audience members during the broadcast, and the public comments that followed, it's clear that many people in the community also think DCTV is a "great thing" for the town.
Selectman Shawn McDonald made it clear that he didn't need any convincing that DCTV is a great asset to the community, calling it "a town-wide jewel." Both the staff and volunteer workers "are to be applauded for what you've done," he suggested.
The sentiment was echoed by Select Board Chair Lara Stone, who told DCTV staffers and volunteers, "You do a great job covering what's important to everyone" in the community. She noted the board did not intend to vote on the license renewal that night, as contract negotiations are continuing with the current cable provider.
In other business at that meeting, the board presented a certificate of appreciation to retired DHS art teacher Ann Marie Ladetto, director of the Dartmouth Gallery in Town Hall since it was founded in 1986. Selectman Michael Watson, a former student of Ms. Ladetto's at DHS, described her as "a woman who has given so much to this community over the past three or four decades."
Addressing his one-time teacher directly, he said, "Your service to this community has been outstanding."


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On the cusp of the Republican National Convention Washington political analyst Charlie Cook predicted President Bush has a hard row to hoe to win a second term from an electorate that is evenly divided, polarized and uncertain about the direction the country is taking.
"This race will be very close," Cook said to the mid-year meeting of the National Cotton Council in Asheville, N.C. "Republicans should be very nervous."
The power in this election, Cook said, resides with the 6 to 8 percent of the electorate who classify themselves as undecided. He said in races where the incumbent is well-defined, undecided votes tend to go to the challenger.
"It they are not for the incumbent initially, they don't go for him (in the voting booth)."
Cook said recent polls indicate that 56 percent or more of registered voters believe the country is on the wrong track, and just 41 percent believe the country is heading in the right direction.
"That's not a good number (for the resident). But I've seen it a lot worse, in July before George H. Bush lost the election, 72 percent of registered voters thought the country was on the wrong track."
Of undecided voters, only 19 percent believe the country is headed in the right direction and 75 percent believe it's on the wrong track.
He said breaking polling figures down even further shows that 45 percent approve of the job President Bush is doing and 49 percent disapprove. But, among the undecided voters, approval is only 25 percent while disapproval is 68 percent.
On the economy, surveys show a 46 percent approval rate versus 52 percent disapproval. Among the undecided voters, 24 percent approve of the way President Bush is handling the economy and 69 percent disapprove.
"If President Bush gets one out of four undecided votes he will be lucky. He needs to be three or four percentage points ahead on election day to win." He said polls going into the Republican convention had Bush ahead (in three of four polls) by as much as three percentage points.
Cook said of the undecided voters, 43 percent consider themselves Democrats, 32 percent are Independents and only 25 percent claim to be Republican.
"Is the race over? No. But something has to happen to change the dynamics of the race for Bush to win. Republican pollsters are worried about this race."
Cook said Bush has run a better campaign. "Kerry has wasted a lot of money in states he can't win. Still, the contest is not shaping up well for President Bush."
Three states, Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio, could decide the presidency. "The candidate who wins two of the three will be president," he said. "These are tightly contested states with huge blocks of electoral votes."
Cook added a caveat to that scenario. "For instance, if Bush loses two of the three but wins Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa, he can undo the damage."
He said Ralph Nader would be less a factor than he was in 2000. "He only received 2 percent of the vote in Florida in the 2000 election, but that was some 9,000 votes and that made the difference. I expect Nader to get fewer votes, but he still could be a factor. A big question will be how many states will put him on the ballot."
Cook predicted Republicans will retain control of both the House and Senate. "I think there is a 75 percent chance they'll hold the Senate and there is not a snowball's chance they'll lose the House," he said.
Cook said the last two elections have revealed a country that is more politically polarized than at any time since Richard Nixon's presidency.
"I thought that I would never live to see a president so hated by the other party as President Clinton was by the Republicans. I didn't have to wait long. I never heard of anyone who hated Reagan, the first President Bush, Jimmy Carter or Gerald Ford. You have to go all the way back to Nixon after Watergate and then back to FDR, that man in the White House, to find large numbers of one party who hated the president in the other party. Now, we've had back to back presidents (hated by the other party)."
Cook said the electorate views candidates and political events as they would a "partisan Rorschach test. (Both parties) see the same thing and draw diametrically opposite conclusions."
He said President Bush's popularity began to wane before he took office. "He ran as a compassionate conservative and was likeable. Gore was the polarizing factor in the election. But foreigners couldn't stand George Bush. Then the Florida challenge began the hatred and galvanized Democrats. The situation got worse until Sept. 11, 2001. All was forgiven for 60 to 90 days, and then it all came back. The war (with Iraq) made it worse. The country was about 50-50 on the war. Now, Bush has become one of the most controversial and polarizing figures in U.S. government in years."
Much of his problems are not his fault, Cook said. A year ago, Republican strategists had little to fear. Cook said they were assuming immense good will from three tax cuts, low interest rates, a cheap dollar that encouraged exports and federal spending that would "jump start" the economy. They also assumed that by August 2004 the economy would be rocking and rolling.
They assumed that the war with Iraq would continue to go well and that they would find weapons of mass destruction.
"They thought they would be able to outspend Democrats by a wide margin. And they assumed that the Democrats would be their usual fractured selves. All those assumptions have gone astray."
Cook said the economy plays a significant role, especially with job losses. Jobs lost in the 1991 and 1992 downturn came back and the economy was able to rebound quickly. "But 79 percent of the recent losses come from structural jobs such as textiles and steel. Those jobs are never coming back. You can't bring a shift back on at the plant if the plant's no longer there."
Cook said it's currently politically incorrect to fight free trade, "but you can still be for free trade and believe some of our trade agreements are pretty dumb. We've made dumb agreements with countries we can't possibly compete against and come out the winner and we haven't gone back to fix them (trade agreements).
He said jobs lost include college-educated jobs. "But India is doing well."
For the U.S. economy to prosper, "We have to make stuff. We have to grow stuff. We have to create value in the United States."


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I sat on a Board of a company that Azure invested in. I had the chance to work with Mike Kwatinetz and Ray Carey. These are very bright guys. They worked harder on behalf of the company than I've seen any other VC do including a lot of introductions. At times their heavy involvement was to fill needs on the executive team, and while this would annoy any CEO, it was needed here. They supported the company through multiple rounds despite rocky performance. Though it may be hard to win an argument with either one of these guys, they are both good capital partners.PRIVATE: Members Only


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A hearing next month will have significant impact, for better or worse, on development at the Port of Port St. Joe.
A hearing next month will have significant impact, for better or worse, on development at the Port of Port St. Joe.
The hearing, scheduled for July 17 before Circuit Court Judge Shonna Gay Young, is on a motion to foreclose on 67 acres of port land brought by Capital City Bank.
Both sides seek summary judgment, meaning there is no dispute of material legal facts.
The bank seeks foreclosure due to a $4.3 million loan in arrears � the Port Authority has not made a payment on principle in at least two years.
The Port Authority�s defense is that the body lacked authority, under state law, to mortgage public property without a public referendum in the first place.
A decision, port attorney Tom Gibson said, would not be expected immediately.
�The most likely outcome is the judge makes no decision� that day, Gibson said.
The 67 acres represents the port�s barge terminal, the bulkhead and uplands. The improvements to the property, in the millions, came from state and federal grant funds.
Port Authority members have publicly and consistently stated the intent to pay the debt, but currently there is no revenue.
The hearing complicates a request from the Board of County Commissioners.
During recent meetings, several commissioners have pressed the port about a $199,000 economic development loan � a fraction of 1 percent of funds received by the port in the past decade � the port received last year.
Port Authority Chairman Leonard Costin appeared before the BOCC a few weeks ago to inquire if the debt payment schedule could be amended due to the port�s current lack of revenue.
The Port Authority has 10 months to make the initial payment.
County Commissioner Ward McDaniel asked if the Port Authority would be willing to consider as collateral a mortgage on the old Arizona Chemical property; 100 acres and infrastructure donated to the Port Authority by the parent company of Arizona Chemical.
�I understand where they are coming from but I don�t see any reason to restructure the agreement,� said board member Patrick Jones, who has long expressed opposition to any encumbrances of Arizona Chemical parcel.
The county is second in line behind Capital City Bank on the mortgage for the barge terminal parcel.
The Circuit Court hearing will impact the county�s position.
Should the bank prevail, the county�s position is moot.
Should the port prevail, it would be unlikely, Gibson noted, that any port property could be mortgaged without a public referendum.
�I can�t tell you you will have the power to give anybody a mortgage,� Gibson said.
Board member Eugene Raffield suggested and the board agreed to ask the BOCC if the Port Authority could delay any decision until after the foreclosure hearing.
�We are very concerned and want to pay everything that we owe,� Raffield said. �But we can�t make a decision until after Capital City Bank is addressed.
�We want (the BOCC) in the loop. They have to be responsible for that money. We need to be good stewards.�
The county dollars are federal economic development dollars meant to be a revolving loan program by which the BOCC awards the money to various businesses for expansion or development.
When the money is repaid it is awarded to another eligible entity.
Raffield Fisheries used the same funds to expand its freezer capacity at its fish house.
Dredging/Master Plan
Gibson and port director Tommy Pitts told the board the update to the master plan was completed and the Port Authority board formally adopted the plan and forwarded it to the city of Port St. Joe.
The city must hold public hearings before its planning board and commission as part of the process of updating the city�s comprehensive plan to include the new port master plan.
Pitts said he asked the two engineering firms on continuing contract with the Port Authority to submit statements of qualifications specific to maintenance dredging.
Pitts said the aim was to dredge to a minimum of 33 feet with the hope of ultimately going to the federally-authorized 35 feet.
�That opens up all kind of opportunities,� Pitts said.
Raffield wondered, as he did at the prior board meeting, if the Tourist Development Council should be brought into the loop. There is potential some dredge material could be suitable for beach nourishment, he said.
�I have always considered beach renourishment as a secondary benefit of dredging,� Pitts said.
Meeting with Montford
Costin said he had a meeting Gov. Rick Scott�s office with Scott�s chief of staff and state Sen. Bill Montford (R-Tallahassee), who represents Gulf County.
Montford had attempted to work with Capital City Bank to secure a $2 million state appropriation to partially address the port mortgage and allow time for port development to take hold.
Costin said the meeting was positive, that it was informational as he related how dynamics changed since collaboration with the St. Joe Company to develop the port was etched in writing.
The concern from the governor, Costin indicated, was the lack of tangible progress over recent years despite the investment of millions of state and federal dollars.
Costin said he provided information and emerged the meeting, scheduled for 15 minutes but spanning nearly an hour, with optimism the port message, a different one from as little as two years ago, was conveyed.
Board communications
Pitts addressed board members concerning a letter to the editor from board member Johanna White published in The Star two weeks ago.
Pitts, who outside of administrative dollars in a grant to update the master plan works for $1 per month, said he had not formally responded publicly and had hoped White � who was absent � attended the meeting in order to be able to talk directly.
Pitts said he believed the letter incorrectly implied that he �led the board� instead of taking direction from the Port Authority board.
Jones asked, motioned and the board approved including Pitts� complete response to White�s letter into the regular meeting minutes.
Costin said the board should handle such matters internally.
More than a year ago, shortly after the collaboration agreement with St. Joe was signed, Costin and Gibson emphasized the importance of port officials speaking with unified voice and message.


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From the ground, it appeared an airplane aborted its landing to avoid a helicopter Monday at the Durango-La Plata County Airport, but airport officials said the helicopter played no role in the pilots decision to circle around and make a second approach.
Frontier Airlines flight No. 1043 from Denver to Durango touched down safely at 9:08 a.m., said Don Brockus, spokesman for the airport.
Durango resident Ted Gross, who was at the airport, said it appeared the pilot was forced to abort his landing and bank hard to avoid a helicopter that was flying in the area.
Monica Garner said she was driving on Colorado Highway 172, which runs past the airport, when she saw the close encounter.
It was very scary, she said. They were very close. I didnt think they were going to hit, but something happened. All of a sudden, the plane banked hard to the left.
The plane then climbed fast and circled around to land, she said.
Brockus said a helicopter was checking power lines in the area.
Both pilots were in communication before the aborted landing, according to air-traffic communications, he said. The helicopter pilot asked the airplane pilot if he made the plane abort, and the plane pilot responded: You were not a factor, Brockus said.
It is uncommon, but not unheard of, for pilots to abort a first landing to make a second approach, he said. He compared it to parking a car sometimes the approach is wrong and it takes a second try.
The airport didnt receive any communications from the pilot or the airline as to why the pilot abandoned the first landing, he said.
I would not call it common, but it does happen, Brockus said.


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"Alyssa Thomas, 6, is a little girl who is already under the spotlight of the federal government. Her family recently discovered that Alyssa is on the "no fly" list maintained by U.S. Homeland Security. "We were, like, puzzled," said Dr. Santhosh Thomas. "I'm like, well, she's kinda six-years-old and this is not something that should be typical." Dr. Thomas and his wife were made aware of the listing during a recent trip from Cleveland to Minneapolis. The ticket agent at the Continental counter at Hopkins Airport notified the family. "They said, well, she's on the list. We're like, okay, what's the story? What do we have to do to get off the list? This isn't exactly the list we want to be on," said Dr. Thomas. The Federal Bureau of Investigations in Cleveland will confirm that a list exists, but for national security reasons, no one will discuss who is on the list or why. The Thomas family was allowed to make their trip but they were told to contact Homeland Security to clear-up the matter. Alyssa just received a letter from the government, notifying the six-year-old that nothing will be changed and they won't confirm nor deny any information they have about her or someone else with the same name. "She's been flying since she was two-months old, so that has not been an issue," said Alyssa's dad. "In fact, we had traveled to Mexico in February and there were no issues at that time."" - 8 News
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An international Cambodia Studies conference was held at Northern Illinois University this past week. I was drawn into the public events offered throughout the weekend, beginning with an exhibit of Burmese music and photography from Cambodia and Burma at the NIU Art Museum in the Altgeld Hall gallery.
Visiting the opening of the art exhibit Thursday, I learned of events being held Friday and Saturday evenings – a film viewing and concert. NIU has the strongest Cambodia Studies program in the U.S., according to Center for Southeast Asian Studies director Judy Ledgerwood.
NIU has five faculty members who work on Cambodia with specialties in anthropology, foreign languages, history and political science. Through the center, NIU has regular field schools that take students to Cambodia, and agreements with universities there that help bring students from Cambodia to study at NIU.
The conference was designed to inspire new ways of imagining Cambodia, including the explosion of creativity in the visual and performing arts. There were opportunities for discussions of change in a post-conflict society.
The work of contemporary Cambodian photographers Khvay Samnang and Lim Sokchanlina are featured in an exhibit at the NIU Art Museum (west end on first floor of Altgeld Hall). The opening reception included a musical performance by musicians from Chicago playing traditional Cambodian instruments.
There also is an exhibit of Music for the Divine, which explores Burmese traditional music ranging from religious to the mundane. Royal palace rituals, expressions of minority identity and cultural confidence are represented in several colorful displays. Music Towards Nirvana, Music from the Court, Music and the Spirits, Music and Ethnicity all portray aspects of Burma, an epicenter of landward and seaward trade routes.
Friday evening was the screening of the groundbreaking Cambodian film, "Lost Loves." The film is being submitted this year to the Academy Awards in the best foreign film category. It is the first feature film released in more than two decades about the Khmer Rogue era.
Directed by Chhay Bora, the film captures the story written by Khauv Sotheary of his mother's experience during the brutal Khmer Rogue era from 1975 to 79. The film was made to engage the younger Cambodian audience, which is now at least a generation removed from the Khmer Rogue period.
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Another highlight of the conference was a concert Saturday, which NIU associate music professor and percussionist Gregory Beyer organized. It honored the Cambodian-American composer, Chinary Ung. Ung's compositions were performed by soloists and small chamber groups, including a number of NIU School of Music musicians, including Beyer.
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PORTSMOUTH — It's going to be quite a winter, Memorial Bridge watchers.
PORTSMOUTH — It's going to be quite a winter, Memorial Bridge watchers.
Come January, the south span of the new bridge, now being built at the Port of New Hampshire, will be floated into place — an exacting operation that will require a precise fit to within one-quarter of one inch of the piers, said Stephen DelGrosso of Archer Western Contractors.
Work will begin soon thereafter on the north span — concurrently with work on the south span tower, which will rise 200 feet in the air. The north span and tower come next, followed finally by the center span.
For the first six months of 2013, expect a lot of activity, as Archer Western, the contractor for the new Memorial Bridge, works toward a July 6 deadline — which DelGrosso said they'll have no trouble meeting.
DelGrosso gave an update on the Memorial Bridge project Thursday afternoon. He was joined by New Hampshire Department of Transportation officials at the Port of New Hampshire.
The new Memorial Bridge is a first-of-its-kind in the world for several reasons. The truss bridge uses no gusset plates, because, instead of steel girders, the bridge incorporates cold bending of steel in sections.
DelGrosso said, while there were some "glitches" initially in the fabrication of the steel sections, those have been worked out "and the bridge is going together very nicely."
The fabrication work is being done in Claremont by Structal-Bridges. Structal is also spraying on the molten zinc coating which is responsible for the gray color of the bridge — named "Piscataqua Mist" by those voting at the Kittery Block Party last June.
While work has been going on at the Port of New Hampshire, it's also been proceeding at the site of the new bridge. The Scott Avenue approach is essentially completed, and sidewalks are now being installed, DelGrosso said.
Work is nearing the end on the Kittery approach span as well, he said, and "will be substantially done before Christmas."
The project has not been without its challenges, he said. The micropiling work at each pier has not gone as smoothly as expected. So that the piers did not have to be replaced, dozens of 10-inch holes were drilled into them. They were then filled with rebar and cement to strengthen the piers.
From early on, unexpected obstructions such as steel were found in the pier, he said, and workers had to find a way to drill through these obstructions.
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I guess I'm the first coordinator for the next puppy Release.
Did I not just say something about "Who died and made you king" arguments? Yep, over
Not to say you aren't qualified or that I wouldn't like you being coordinator. That isn't the point. The point is that I don't recall voting for you, or even saying any kind of opinion about it. For that matter, I only recall a handful of people saying anything.
Before we start choosing coordinators and such, we all need to get together and decide on some sort of structure. There's still the old Foundation (now Community?) that we can fall back on. Have we actually done this already? Again,
I don't recall a decision actually being made.
I may have missed it, I've been busy this summer.
BTW, why is it that all these references to the Community are on Lobster's wiki? Don't we have our own wiki? Temporary solution until we get organized?
I'm sorry to sound like Mr. We-Need-Rules-And-Regulations. I generally hate them. But we need them with this. Without a structure we
fall apart. This isn't a couple people teaming up here, this is a long term community driven project. I may not have a degree in anything yet, but I have enough common sense to know that nothing will get done without a structure that everybody involved has agreed on.
The first thing we need to do is get everybody together, and discuss whether we want to use the old Foundation structure, or create something new. It needs to give enough time for the people who only visit once a week or so to be involved (that group often includes me, though I try for thrice a week).
Then, we need to hash out how we're going to do this. Not sure if you're aware of the SVN/GIT discussion that went on earlier? We need to decide what we're going to use and how we'll use it. I'll tell you now that if it winds up being a "send your code to Mr. Coordinator and he'll assemble it all" type deal, like all the community editions we've done, then I will not be involved. We need some kind of SVN type system.
Barry seems to agree
As for email, only if anyone off the street can subscribe through an automatic process that doesn't need human involvement. I haven't really used mailing lists so I don't know if there can be permissions so that they can read without sending. We don't need to have a bunch of random fluff going through the
lists, but the development lists are also the most important to make transparent so people can see what's going on. Also there must be an online log of it (not sure if this is implied, just making sure).
May be easier to just use a development forum. Probably would be good to be a separate forum from this one, for traffic considerations. Not private! In fact allow anybody to sign up. But strongly discourage any fluff. Off topic and generic requests for help belong over here and should be ignored, other than maybe telling them that they're in the wrong place and providing a link to here. ttuuxxx, please don't run off and create one overnight. I know you're chomping at the bit, but hold your horses. This isn't a race; there's no need to rush. People might want to propose recommendations about what forum software to use, etc.
I might run my own personal projects with a fly by the seat of my pants mentality, but there's a big difference between a one-man effort and a long term group project that is intended to be used by many hundreds of people! This needs Planning.
Somewhat back on topic, we
need to find out who is interested in actually doing development stuff. I am. I won't support a half-baked scheme, but given proper planning I will do what I can to help out. The first item on my radar is fixing the bug where Xorgwizard only halfway configures xorg.conf for a dual-monitor setup. It should either go all the way, or not make an attempt. Either one would result in a WORKING xorg.conf file. But the halfway approach results in a broken file that I must correct by hand every time I boot with pfix=ram or a fresh install.
This may also be an issue for people who have only one monitor, but both an onboard graphics chip and a separate graphics card.
Otherwise I haven't used 4.xx enough to know what the current issues are. Until halfway through this summer I was still using a derivative of 2.14 for daily use. One thing is that ever since we dropped Xtmix (I think it was Xtmix - the one with the retro look) I've been wholly unsatisfied with Puppy's volume controls. Just haven't gotten around to writing my own, as Alsamixer gets the job done right the first time. But it would be nice to have a proper mixer in the tray. That's something I could do. I've shied away from learning to use GTK with C/C++ for too long anyways. Need to get it over with, as that would open up many new projects to me.
I could also tweak the PetGet manager to have the functionality of Pet-Be-Gone built in. Barry had actually intended something similar from the beginning but never got around to it.
The unleashed createpuppy script needs some work too. I have a crudely hacked local copy that can read the configuration from a config file and then do the build automatically, as opposed to asking a million questions every time, which always annoyed the carp out of me (don't know how the carp got into me though - I hardly ever eat fish...). Mine
crude, I basically just hardcoded it to read from the file and not ask questions. A proper solution would ask if it should ask questions or read a file, and have a default file but accept others. This way one can build Puppy more reproducibly, because you don't have to worry about accidentally putting in a different choice during each build.
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Yup, the knives are out and being sharpened.
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I do hope that you manage to sort it ouit. It would be disappointing to see Puppy go the way of other distro's after their main developer(s) stepped aside.
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I don't recall a decision actually being made. [/b] I may have missed it, I've been busy this summer.
Hope you had a good summer Jeremy on the farm.
The situation is one of availability. Tronkel has kindly suggested me.
I couldn't run aground, if you paid me.
I would prefer MU or you, Sigmund, HairyWill, one of our other developers, Warren, Raffy etc Someone who is able to work on Puppy with the energy he deserves.
Ttuuxxx has kindly offered to put his considerable energy and diplomatic skills (in development) into 4.2
No one else has shown any inclination
It is very difficult to vote without candidates. Do we have any?
BTW, why is it that all these references to the Community are on Lobster's wiki? Don't we have our own wiki? Temporary solution until we get organized?
Very much temp, I hope.
I use my wiki because I am familiar with its operation
When using the new community wiki I have to think about the wiki rather than the content.
Defeats the purpose.
I did the same with PSIP and them moved it to the community wiki
So I have suggested a member of the community start a 4.2 page on the community wiki. My content is freely available to them . . .
Without a structure we
fall apart.
Our structure (of parts) is in place
I spend all my time falling apart
The first thing we need to do is get everybody together
Maybe someone will play that part?
We need some kind of SVN type system.
What are the choices? Where is the poll?
Can this go on the agenda?
May be easier to just use a development forum. Probably would be good to be a separate forum from this one, for traffic considerations.
We have had several of those. One was used reasonably extensively.
Perhaps this one?
I will do what I can to help out.
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[must remember there is other food from fish]
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Posted: Wed 17 Sep 2008, 03:32
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Let's have a quick recap of how Barry does things.
He's not in favour of a formally project-managed Puppy project at all. He maintains that this does not encourage the creativity that Puppy needs in order to hold on to its commanding lead in this distro playing field.
He created the basis of the base versions single-handedly. Other very creative contributors from the forum also offered up various sub-projects which he either took up or declined according to as he saw fit. The point is, Barry was the sole creator of the basis of the base versions. I don't believe anyone else in the forum has the exact skill set to implement a base version as such. There are many who can chuck out a puplet unleashed or re-mastered "community edition" but none who could come up with an innovative base version complete with its current devx_sfs and unleashed core. I think I'm right in saying that Kirk has experience with T2 and is a good scripter as well. He is the exception here.
So Jeff needn't be surprised here that no-one is offering up their services to create the proposed 4.2 base version. Also, this category of "developer" cannot be found in the forum embodied into one person. Head-hunting elsewhere might be an option here.
If the project gets structured in the form of a "leader" who does the herding, plus a committee/developer team I reckon Puppy will not get used as much as it is now and will eventually die off. The only proven system is Barry's informal structure. The Puppy that will really get used is the version(s) that Barry will make in his part-time role - in whatever form they appear.
IMHO any post-Barry leader of the project will need to have a skill set and philosophy very similar to Barry's
Anything short of this and the puppy distro will sink without trace after a protracted dying-off period.
In the meantime. I still say that Lobster makes the best front man for Puppy at least for now. He's the only one who doesn't take himself seriously and has the good humour that the job requires. Any cats with any spare fish, please donate to the worthwhile Puppy cause.
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well .... regardless of above and past arguments we do have an svn
you can get acces from me by PMing your sourceforge unix account name
all you need to do is figure out how to use it SVN that is i haven't the time between a datastructures in java and engineering statisics
I do however have time to do what very little management is needed with the sourceforge page which up till now is just adding a few people to access it
i have compiled T2 with 686 optimisations and the binaries that i tried out in slackware seem very fast compared to plain slackware so multiple builds will be of interest
a T2 profile to generate a livecd would be very welcome and probably imperative to compete with the likes of the debian livecd remasters which will likely be very fast and have a huge applicaton base
most people are behind either T2 or gnomeslack... IMO T2 doesn't really hurt us since slackware has a pretty pittiful package selection anyway due to the fact that most of its users compile thier own apps on the other hand with T2 we can easily tweak out entire kernel to what ever we want VERY easily and rebuild time is not *that* bad ...like 3.5 days on a dual PII for the piglett base running slackware
FINALLY! what do we need to have on SVN?
3 things at least for now
-piglett T2 profile (will need updating to T2 8.0 when it is released currently we are using T2 8.0 trunk as of late 2007)
-archive of all puppy apps/scripts
-unleashed scripts (might be replaceable by T2 itself) ... plan integration by 5.0?
what do we need other than T2? a source snapshot !!!
it would be much appreciated if someone would download and host a .bz2 or .lzm of the full T2 source not just the basics BEWARE it might get HUGE multi GB of source the puppy base it self is a tar over 1gb!
it might be prudent to wait for the 8.0 release to do this snapshot...
as always these are sugesstions so what do you think?
on a side note slitaz it VERY interesting it claims to boot with only 5 scripts and a config file.... are the boots scripts that tiny in puppy? in anycase we absolutely need better documentation on how barry scripts and how linux boots in general
Taking Puppy Linux to the limit of perfection. meanwhile try "puppy pfix=duct_tape" kernel parem eater.
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My beef isn't about who is in charge or what structure we'll have.
It's that we need to actually make known when we're making a decision, and then give people a chance to provide their input.
Ttuuxxx has kindly offered to put his considerable energy and diplomatic skills (in development) into 4.2
No one else has shown any inclination
It is very difficult to vote without candidates. Do we have any?
Not that I'm aware, but how long had it been? Three days or so? Besides which, I wasn't even aware that we were making this decision now! I thought we were still trying to pin down how things would work so that we'd be able to make an intelligent decision afterward. Maybe we don't even want to do a coordinator approach. Maybe something completely different would work better. But did we get a chance to discuss it? Maybe for a day or two. Woopdeedoo.
I have a lot of respect for you Lobster, but sometimes you rush things too much. There's a limit to how fast we can go and still keep everybody in the loop. And this is coming from a guy who's favorite fictional character is Sonic the Hedgehog...
well .... regardless of above and past arguments we do have an svn
you can get acces from me by PMing your sourceforge unix account name
all you need to do is figure out how to use it SVN that is i haven't the time between a datastructures in java and engineering statisics
Yes we do, I didn't forget that. It will be useful too. But I'm referring to something that can hold the entire Unleashed Tree, which I'm nearly certain is beyond what SourceForge will let us do. I could be wrong of course.
As far as I'm aware, the only reasonably efficient way to have multiple people working on this, while avoiding collisions, maintaining an accurate record of
what has changed and who changed it, and making it easy for anybody to follow along, is to put the whole unleashed tree into SVN or GIT. Technically it would probably be most efficient to split the packages directory from the unleashed directory and have them side-by-side on SVN, so that people can checkout the unleashed directory itself without grabbing the data for all 500 packages. Like I said on the thread you started before, the SourceForge SVN would then be used for all the stuff that doesn't fit inside unleashed along with the unique-to-Puppy applications. Things like T2, the P* applications, maybe Pebble 2.0 if I ever get around to that, etc. The Unleashed SVN would include the binaries of those, along with any tweaks needed (different default preferences, etc.) Actual development of the apps would go on at SourceForge, and the binaries could be imported when ready. The misc. scripts in Puppy would only be in the Unleashed tree of course. Just the full-blown applications would be on SF. Things that could actually stand on their own without Puppy, more or less. Especially ones that are using a compiled language, since the Unleashed SVN would not involve source, just as Unleashed doesn't. T2 and the SF repo would take care of that, for now.
If we used GIT, we'd probably want to structure things a little differently. The main advantage I see with GIT is the private branching, which would make it much easier to test stuff without messing with the trunk. That has the drawback of needing somebody to maintain the trunk and handle merging things into it from the various testing branches. That makes me think of the whole Coordinator thing, but this would have stronger technical requirements as he'd need to be able to read through the segments of code and figure out what the two people were doing and how best to combine them... Probably not a big issue with the small number of people that will be involved though.
An aside to Lobster: AFAIK the choices are CVS, SVN and GIT. SVN is basically the next version of CVS. GIT is more distributed than SVN, which has advantages and disadvantages. Might be overkill for Puppy, as I don't think we'll have enough people involved for that to help more than it will hurt. If we did have a lot, I'd vote for it. At the moment I'm leaning more towards SVN since it's simpler to understand and will probably take less work to use. That would also keep things consistent with the SourceForge repo. If you dig up the thread where cb88 announced the SF account for Puppy, I posted more on how I thought this could work.
Back to cb88: And you bring up a good point about combining T2 and Unleashed. I think that integrating T2 into Unleashed is definitely a long term goal we should work towards, assuming with stick with using T2. It would be nice to download something and be able to type
and have it build the default Puppy, fully populate Unleashed, and assemble a new ISO. Having it correct any scripts that need correcting for various kernel configurations would probably be going too far, so things would still need some manual intervention for some customizations, but in general it would be great.
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I'm all for T2, I played around with it and it worked nicely, Git on the other hand I only used it once on puppy 4.0, to compile VLC 9.1 After many downloads and tons of time compiling, VLC didn't work.
I have a good feeling its puppy's default compiler. But VLC isn't everything. ttuuxxx
PS It would be nice if we went back to Slackware, I was thinking Ubuntu, but the thing about that, Ubuntu breaks their packages into smaller package sections and they use more dependencies. Thats why slackware, Plus Gslapt is easy to get going on puppy. maybe based on the 12.1?
Just an idea, tossing around
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so what you really saying is that you are lazy and don't really care if you make the best product you can?
you obviously completely ignored my post... slackware is old hat and there really aren't many packages at all for it puppylinux itself seems more active in that area if it weren't for the duplication of efforts (due to non automated package generation due to lack of T2 integration etc...) we would probably far outclass slackware for official packages
with T2 building packages automatically i may be as simple as updating a source link md5 hash and rebuilding the package
@pisszasgood unleashed is pretty much just a set of scripts to create teh packages list and squash the root filesystem and put it on the ISO among a few other things correct? The base core and kernel are usually in unleashed i know but that would be handed off to T2 to generate or we could build default/release versions of unleashed that are just like what we have now
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i never intended for binaries to go on sourceforge that would be pretty silly since the whole idea is to get a system going where we can build LOTS of different versions of binaries different optimisations that people can host as thier own truely custom versions of puppy on thier own server space if they want
I guess all the official packages will remain on sourceforge and will be build by someone trustworthy from the default T2 profile then uploaded
also i believe that barry has hinted pretty strongly that an automated build from T2 was kindof in his goals anyway
@ttuuxxx using Slackware as a base may be easy but you have to think of the trade offs... Slackware packages are not easy to get working I know because I use Slackware as my every day system and if there is a lib missing from a package it is a pain in the butt to find and get the right version etc........ so by choosing Slackware you get an easy job of building puppy in you opinion anyway and offload the work onto the extra packagers and the users. I am really skeptical of your *project management* skill since you didn't think that through and you really do lack diplomacy sorry to give you heat here but I just don't agree with you.
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Enter the name of a lib, check "file name", and you should find it.
Slackware has huge repositories, what is not listed in the official repository, can be found on other sites.
And if something is not available, just compile it from source.
In Puppy I often had trouble to compile stuff, this has become much easier, since I replaced almost everything with slackware packages.
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@Mu i am well aware of those and slackware is still lacking
I have often browsed linuxpackages and many other repos for libs...COMPLETE waste of time
think of it this way Debian = {all packages have deps automatically resolved.... 0 wasted time for the user slight overhead on the developer to make sure the deps are available big deal}
slackware = {I have the libs here is a package i made hope it works! then 3 or four dependancies are missing and you are up a creek compiling stuff.... the user has to be able to compile just to use it]
IMO using slackware is just spinning your wheels if you need more than the defaults (which i don't... right now)
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Unleashed itself is a small jumble of scripts that takes all the packages making up Puppy, combines them into one directory, and builds a squashfs file from that. But the Unleashed Tree is a clean organized way to edit the packages that will be merged to create Puppy. You don't just run T2 and then it builds a Puppy, yet. A lot of manual work goes on between T2 and running Unleashed's createpuppy script. This is the stage I'm talking about putting inside of an SVN or GIT repository.
Eventually, I do hope we have T2 set up such that it will make that middle stage unnecessary. At that point all we'd need is the SVN/GIT repo holding the Puppy-specific T2 stuff. That, I believe, would be fine to do with SourceForge.
But I'm under the impression that that's still a good ways in the future, if it's even a practical thing to do. I may be wrong. I still haven't had a chance to play with T2. Too much real-life stuff at the moment. It's on my near-term todo list, but could still take a month before I get to it. Hopefully more like two weeks.
i never intended for binaries to go on sourceforge that would be pretty silly
Exactly. We'd develop the Puppy specific applications there, and we'd put their binaries into the Unleashed tree which would be hosted elsewhere. In the future we'd grab and compile them through T2, making a separate SVN/GIT repo unnecessary.
Assuming we stick with T2. I won't have a real opinion either way until I've used it. But being able to recompile everything, say for a 64-bit architecture or for PowerPC, would be pretty handy I think.
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yeah I haven't gotten much past compiling (which is pretty easy with T2)
I wanted to try barrys scripts to build packages but just don't have the resources (time at home or a laptop... not that even haveing a laptop i would still lack time LOL)
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It is very difficult to vote without candidates. Do we have any?
Not that I'm aware, but how long had it been? Three days or so?
Over two and a half years since Barry announced his retirement.
During that time a developer with the time and inclination has not yet emerged organically . . .
Just as the numerous attempts for an SVN system have been tried (even implemented - I have tried about 5) but never adopted.
It is why I suggested tick
Any news on that from Prithish?
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Did my e-mail get to you, been having problems with outgoing e-mail.
If it did not I will post here or PM as you wish.
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