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HR 1851 - Section 8 Voucher Adjustments Act of 2007 - National Key Vote
Jesse Jackson, Jr. voted Yea (Passage) on this Legislation.
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- July 16, 2007 Senate Bill Sent To Committee
- July 12, 2007 House Bill Passed
- March 29, 2007 Introduced
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Legislation - Bill Sent To Committee (Senate) - July 16, 2007
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July 12, 2007(Key vote)
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Title: Section 8 Voucher Adjustments Act of 2007
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Vote to pass a bill that makes changes to the requirements, availability, funding, and use of the housing voucher program.
- Requires biennial inspections of each assisted housing unit to make sure that the unit is maintained according to the required standards (Sec. 2).
- Allows the public housing agency to establish a tenant rent structure that is based on the rental value of the unit and adjusted according to inflation, is tiered according to the income-level of the tenant, and calculates the rent based on a percentage of family income (Sec. 3).
- Provides funding for any public housing agency that participates in the Moving to Work program or housing innovation program (Sec. 6).
- Allows a public housing agency to provide a down-payment assistance grant not exceeding $10,000 instead of monthly assistance payments to aid in the purchase of a home (Sec. 8).
- Creates the Housing Innovation Program to increase the housing opportunities for low-income families and provide financial incentives to families to obtain employment (Sec. 16).
- Requires the Department of Housing and Urban Development to increase access for persons with limited English proficiency by developing a housing information resource center that provides translations of written materials and a toll-free customer service hotline (Sec. 18).
- Appropriates as much funding as is necessary to assist 20,000 dwelling units each year for the fiscal years 2008 through 2012 (Sec. 20).
Legislation - Introduced (House) - March 29, 2007
Title: Section 8 Voucher Adjustments Act of 2007
- Judy Biggert (IL - R) (Out Of Office)
- Danny K. Davis (IL - D)
- William D. 'Bill' Delahunt (MA - D) (Out Of Office)
- Barney Frank (MA - D) (Out Of Office)
- Donald M. Payne (NJ - D) (Out Of Office)
- Christopher H. Shays (CT - R) (Out Of Office)


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Kansas Gets Closer To Legalizing Denial Of Services To Gay People
Updated Wednesday, 2:45 p.m. cst
The Kansas House has officially sent legislation protecting businesses, individuals and state employees who wish to deny goods or services to gay couples to the state senate.
Following a wide margin in the initial vote on Tuesday, today's procedure saw a few more state reps voice their opposition to the legislation. But it wasn't enough. In a vote of 72 - 49, the Kansas House has officially endorsed the refusal of goods and service to a portion of their tax paying constituents. The bill heads to the Kansas Senate, where Republicans outnumber Democrats 31 - 9.
Good luck, Kansas.
Head here for the full language in the bill.
Also, a Change.org petition has gained momentum in recent days over attention paid to Kansas. Head here to sign.
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What a difference a state line makes.
Whereas positive news about the modern civil rights struggle flowed out of Missouri early Tuesday, neighboring Kansas (home of Westboro) has threatened to force its citizens back into segregation.
As reported last week, House Bill 2453 seeks to enshrine a homophobic relative of Jim Crow law in Kansas. If passed, businesses and government employees are free to refuse goods and services to gays behind the shield of a Bronze Age Biblical passage.
If it's a government employee who's denying service to an American minority because of a Leviticus passage, the law asks the homophobe (who's probably wearing a uniform of mixed-fabrics and preparing for a ham sandwich lunch break) to "promptly" find another employee who isn't prejudiced. Oh, but only if "it can be done without undue hardship to the employer."
Anti-gay businesses will have even more protection to refuse service (including loans, accommodations, etc.) to the LGBT community. Looks like that Oklahoma asshole might want to move his anti-everything except redneck restaurant one state north!
Unfortunately, the Kansas House approved an initial vote of the measure with a "fuck you, LGBT community"-tally of 72 - 42. A final vote will take place on Wednesday. If passed again, it moves to the Republican-controlled state senate.
(Image credit: Gary Bostwick for North Carolina's Every1Against1)
Years before I voted for our first black president revealed to me was God is moving this planet forward and as he is sex alone got a lot of people (left) behind over sex. But there is some time on the clock he also showed ,and he displayed how he can reconcile all back to him for what he is after. Come gay married's it was a viehiecle he displayed he can use.But God is not for Gay married's .Thats what I spoke.. Then came study 'the word reconcile'. Then take a trip down memory lane .No no Gay Married's prohibited by the constitution ... Yet. But reconciled used. Don't vote for the first black president if you did not see that. Right? are maybe wrong. God knows what he is doing... I believe our first black president knew that and that's why he signatured it.. With this being before I voted... me a Lady Man.. GOOOOOOOO God! As he allowed the insight before hand.. He do minister about counting the cost before hanging out with him.... Terrill TC/ Relic
Leviticus is a very precarious book to navigate - be very careful, lest you find yourself stoned by others for your PolyCotton shirt, pants; or enslaved by the Canadians, or maybe even the folks from the next county over.
Let us also remember that a lot of the Old Testament had to do with health issues - how not to poison yourself in the desert. Much that was attributed to God was actually the work of Man.
How about we consider one of the New Testament readings in a light most of us have never even known might need clarification - or verification as to its EXACT meaning?
Nobody has to respect anything. If you believe that molesting kids is cool, I'm going to have a problem with you. If you believe some story book that's been translated several times, several millennia ago by people that had no clue what life could ever be like today, then I'm going to have a problem with you too.
Live your life according to you. Not a story book.
I was raised Christian by my mother. My father was an atheist. I left the Christian church about 10 years ago, and converted to Judaism. I do not practice any religion faith much these days. The reason I left the Christian church is because it was an abomination. The church that I went to expanded and the next thing I knew there were Starbucks machines at every corner, they held raves for the youth, and everyone that went there was really rich. I came from a middle class family. Since I wasn't wearing the coolest Abercrombie clothing I was shunned by the youth program. I even tried to be in a play in 7th grade, a fish tails performance and I did not make the cut. I decided that material things should not have to turn someone on to God.
For a long time I have based my views of the Christian church off of this one church. Maybe that is wrong of me to combine all Christian people and think that they are all judgmental people, and put them into one stereotypical group. A group that didn't approve of me wearing black nail polish, clothes from wal mart or target. A group that didn't like that I had taken a sex education class in school, or my friends, or my dad. A group that hated my appreciation for classic rock, because any kids my age should listen to Toby Mac or all Christian bands. God forbid I understand a dirty joke, and laugh at it. Or that my views steered towards democratic rather than Republican, for some reason a lot of Christians are of the Republican party..I don't get it ...
I started to hate them. Not enough to do or say anything about it. But I just avoided them.
But I just wanted to make a point isn't that what anyone with an opposing religion is doing? Most all religions are clear about homosexuality not being an acceptable lifestyle. However, if anyone of religion does not see how man-kind having legal rights to refuse service, are you or are you not playing God in that situation? If you want to make a lifestyle decision devoting your life to God, then know that it is also a sin to play God. &if this bill does pass, which I highly doubt it will, but I hope you don't actually make the decision to enforce it just because it is legal.
If you truly have a problem with something and you can not change it, then adjust to it. Life is full of changes and great things. Yet here we are wasting our time on a computer defending our opinions.
For those of us who are without a religion, church, and a rule book. Where does that leave us? How fair is that? Can I just make up a rule book, document it on stone, then take it to a publishing company where you can buy a leather bound copy at Barnes & Noble, or make a downloadable version for your kindle, can I just make up my own religion...If I did I would say that I didn't have to deal with impatient jerks in sales anymore. & I would not discriminate or make any exceptions. If you're a jerk/douche/fake/lying son of a bitch- of any race creed or sexuality, I don't like you I reuse to you my service and time. Because you suck. & I see a lot of screen names, nick names, and first name last initials to start with.
I guess this means the tax-paying gay citizens of Kansas should no longer be required to pay taxes? People who are being treated like second class citizens should not be expected to pay first class taxes. Meanwhile anyone who wants the "right" to discriminate against others should obviously be required to pay extra taxes themselves for their "privilege". By the way, Jesus would not discriminate against gay people, and at Matthew 19:12 Jesus acknowledges that some people from birth are not meant to be in heterosexual unions, so go figure Kansas and get over your ignorant, immature and unnecessary homophobia!
Some of you people scare the daylights out of me. You who believe in anything other than complete and total equal treatment of every American citizen no matter what his/her predispositions or propensities. You who give constant rise to the goings on other people's pants and hearts. You are the core of the problem. Not us. We don't go through this kind of hell because we put ourselves there... YOU DO. You bleeding heart conservatives should really consider opening your minds with something other than FOX News and Facebook. The hypocritical rhetoric in half this line of conversation is bile producing. I would pray for you, but I see that even your own prayers aren't really making any difference. Why is God going to listen to me on your behalf?
I agree with you on equal rights! That is what God wants for all his children. However, God will listen to you on someone's behalf. Pray for them or you too are part of the problem. No matter what they say or claim to beleive, we are not worthy to judge them anymore than judging someone because they are gay.
The fact that people use a book that is like twenty times removed from its original source (was translated several times before coming into English) and is told mostly by a bunch of men who didn't even know Jesus (a few of those stories told by men 600 years after Jesus was even around) to base a judgment to other people on, really strikes me. First off, even if this whole thing is real (religion wise) isn't one of the biggest things to love thy neighbor and to not judge? Like aren't those really big deals? We have ONE passage than bans gay relations (which also bans tattoos, eating pork, haircuts, mixing of fabrics ect. - which people seem to love to pick and choose from) and then we have SEVERAL messages of peace and acceptance, regardless of the person.. And yet people still choose to hate or something? And isn't there one with whoever lives in a glass house shouldn't be the one to cast the first stone or something? Every single person on this planet is a sinner, and yet people seem to think they have the right to judge another person? Ironic. Maybe you should make sure you're the purest form of man before you go around pointing your dirty ass fingers.
Why are republicans so fascinated with LGBT folk? They want someone to hate so badly. What have we done to them? And how can the federal government let them get away with passing discriminatory laws that will open the doors to more hate crimes? This is not Russia. This is not Nigeria. My mind reels and my heart breaks reading about this hatred.
Mick71: It is people like you who give real christians a bad name! How would you ever expect someone to accept a faith while attacking them with words like "you are a sicko" and "stick it in the cornhole" and "you are going to hell"? Jesus never attacked anyone verbally unless they were blasphemous to God. He accepted everyone and loved everyone equally, telling them to repent of sin and ask for forgiveness. Jesus said; "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." We all have the right to express our opinions, and we also have the right to live life unmolested. That includes verbally as well as physically. Human rights is not about doing whatever we want, its about our right to be protected. And it is not up to us to say who is going to hell and who isn't.
-Galen K. (straight, christian, carpenter, and father of five)
@ Galen K. To be honest I don't really 100% care if they choose to believe the truth or not! And it's just not in my personality to be sensitive about it... Some people/Christians choose to come across like saints so to speak when they're preaching, well that's not ME! I'm not gonna sugar coat it for lack of hurting someones feelings...
I'm not Jesus or anywhere close to his perfection and never claimed to be but I am a good person with a good heart & morales and a family man with 3 kids. I believe in God and I know my own faults but I will not apologize for speaking whats on my mind... They need to know what they are doing is Wrong and at least admit it and ask for forgiveness from God. Are they going to change overnight? probably not but it's a good start...
I understand you can be Gay and believe in God and go to heaven, I never said you wouldn't! BUT IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE IN GOD and you're gay then you should be trying to work on this and God will help you!! So if a GAY person calls himself a Christian and isn't trying to SIN LESS and doesn't confess what they're doing is a sin then they're NOT a Christian at all!! There's a lot of fake Christians out there in general and those are the people who give us a bad name, I'm as real as it gets man!! However the gay people who clearly don't believe in GOD and choose to be ignorant will go to hell! For that matter any person that doesn't believe in God!! That's the reality of the situation...
@ Otis Galloway
Good luck with that! Ignorance is bliss huh?!?
I'm not a hypocrite, just telling it how it is... If you read my posts you would see that bs would not be tolerated from any person/gender/race/ etc etc if I was running a business and someone was acting out of line...
If you're a good person with high Morales then you're fine in my book. I also have some friends that don't believe in GOD... I give them the facts and they choose to ignore them.... well then sad to say they will most likely end up in hell... You'll know the truth soon enough one way or another but by then it'll be too late...
"I'm not gonna sugar coat it for lack of hurting someones feelings..." Good to know. Neither am I. Put a fucking bullet in your fascist skull ASAP. The less sky fairy bigots like you in the world, the better off the world will be.
" but I am a good person with a good heart & morales" No you're not. People like you are the worst sort of vile scum around.
I wouldn't have a chance in hell doing what, you motherfucking christo-fascist piece of pond scum? I have no intention of meeting you directly. I'm just going to cheerlead for your painful fucking death, whether it happens by your hand or someone else's. I just know that every single christo-fascist like you in the world causes nothing but pain & misery, so the sooner that you & all other christo-fascists like you are all dead, the better off we'll all be. So please get on with killing yourself. You & your christo-fascist brethren are not wanted on this earth.
@ Tim
Words hurt timmy... words hurt... :( LOL!!
Just Shut your horse cock sucking mouth... You're about as sharp as a marble... God & Real Christians is the Glue that's held this country together for so long.... Its funny you say that... Actually YOU'RE NOT wanted or needed on this earth and thank GOD you won't reproduce so your DNA ends with you!!
Love how you TRUE Christians molested children in Orphanages and protected the perpetrators by denial?? These great Christian are generally straight, and living in heterosexual relationships! Thank you Catholics, and all other good Christian faiths. It is my understanding that the Gay community just want equality, not persecution!
Well said. If only more people would realize this. Jesus taught us to love, not to hate. Though, I think it goes for both parties when I say this. No one has to agree to anyone's lifestyle. We all have that right, but we shouldn't bash on each other either. We Christians should follow what Jesus taught, not the hate everything you can't comprehend small minded teachings of people who obviously haven't figured out that Jesus Christ died on the cross to wipe our slate clean, so we live by the New Testament now. That also goes for everybody else too though. Do you understand how much Christians get bashed as well. How much ridicule I get for my belief in God. We as people aren't very accepting in general. In a perfect world we would love one another, as ourselves.
I am a big "fat" GAY Christian and I think this is wrong. My distaste is not based solely on the fact that I am gay but also because I hate it when people use God to advance their own hatred and or political agenda. God is not a politician but instead He is love and he would never turn his back on any of his people because of who they are and how they were born. I believe that God made me and countless others this way not by mistake but by grand design. If you do not believe in God then "boo" on you b/c you are really missing out. He is wonderful and all powerful. All I can say is that I will pray for Kansas and hope that God will pull their heads out of their asses.
@ Gerame
Well at least you believe in GOD as you say... Are you happy with being gay or are you trying to change and realize and admit what you're doing is a sin?
I don't hate Gays, but I don't care to associate myself with them either. But if your gay and a flammer and act ridiculous in public then a business owner shouldn't have to serve you in my opinion or anyone that acts like that....
These are SOME verses from the BIBLE about homosexuality
And there's a lot more than 1 verse, why is it that GOD destroyed the city of Sodom and all the people in it, because they were are evil corrupt and all having sex with each other...
God didn't make you Gay... So don't manipulate or make up shit that isn't there!!
@ Other foot
Well good luck with that since 76% of AMERICANS believe in GOD!!
Well yes if you were able to determine that a couple/family or person was a Christian eating in your restaurant and you didn't want to serve them then that would technically be your right in my opinion not too... You'd be out of business very soon but that would be your right!
However you didn't read all my posts. I said if a gay couple comes in one of their businesses and is acting all flamboyant and making a scene then it is their right not to serve them!
If it was my business in general & they're acting respectful then they would be welcome in my business. But this doesn't apply for just gay people, it would be anyone that walks into my business...If any group/race/gender etc. was making a scene and being disrespectful they would be gone and if they didn't leave it wouldn't be good for them. I don't have to deal with decisions like these but that's my opinion on it!
I'm sick of people in general making it seem like the world or society owes them something!!
Most straight men will fantasize about two women and would not hesitate if given the opportunity, easily overlooking that it is also homosexuality. I wonder if that bill is targeting only gay men, though? Either way, its definitely not cool. I am a straight man and a christian and do not agree with the marriage thing, but I also disagree with segregation at all levels, so I believe that gay couples should be allowed the same civil rights as a straight married couple without the prerequisite of marriage, although being legally binding just the same. I know that sounds weird, but it works with my faith and personal feelings. Also, I wonder if the "anti gay inquisitor" type of person is actually hiding from some latent homosexual desires that they harbor, and so their anger, fear, or guilt comes out aggressively?
Right on! I'm from Kansas, and my brother who still lives there and is disgusted with this alerted me to this article, via Facebook. I also agree with you totally! This is one of the many reasons I got fed up the state and moved to California, but I've gotten shafted out here too, succumbing to torrid influences that have affected my finances, mind and body. I'm basically doomed. Pitiful Kansas boy I was brought up as.
The bible is "the truth" ... really? It is a set of stories written by men 2000 years ago and more for the old testament.
I would be the first to admit that many of the moral principles in the bible are good but that doesn't mean that EVERY WORD is good nor does it prove that every word is the literal truth. There are numerous other religeous texts out there which for the basis of other religeons and for them these texts form their truth. The blinkered Christians who think the bible is the only truth think these other texts are not the truth ... yet these other texts contain many of the same principles and sometimes even bits of the same stories.
The world has come a long way since the bible was written. Christians nolonger go on Crusades killing people simply because they're not Christians. Is that change also wrong? If we still believed the literal word of the bible then we would return to the dark ages and slaughter millions simply based on them believing a different religeous text.
God "apparently" created everything ... if that was the case then why did he create gay people? Did God make a mistake? But the bible says he is infallible and the bible is "the truth" ... so if it's the truth then God INTENDED to create gay people.
In the animal kingdom animals have sex with the same gender even more often than the "nominal" 10% of gay humans. As God also created all animals was this another of Gods mistakes?
So either the bible is "the truth" which means that God makes mistakes in creating gay people and animals or the bible is simply a set of moral stories written by a few men thousands of years ago before proper education and science.
Good for Kansas! If you're gay or a lesbo that's your decision just like it's these peoples decisions not to serve you if you're some flaming homo and they don't want you in their business... I understand not all gay people act like this and some are respectful in public which is how everyone should act but it seems like it's becoming more and more "popular" and a choice nowadays... Didn't know because you were gay that you had to talk like a pansy and be over dramatic.
Obviously GOD created man and woman to be together and if you don't agree with this FACT then you're a moron... I just don't get why any man would think another mans hairy man shaped ass or any other part of a man is sexually desirable?!?! My lady has a cornhole too and its a heck of a lot better looking than any guys ass. So just put it in her a@@ and hopefully you'll see the error of your ways... I guess its a good thing that most of you won't procreate. Haven't you all realized that our society in general nowadays is getting worse and worse? The fact that all our morales are getting thrown out the door and we're not raising children the right way is the start to almost all of our fundamental problems with society. Almost all the gays and lesbo's I've known have some major issues... Is that a coincidence?? I know we all have our problems but overall more gays and lesbo's have a lot more mental issues and are sick in the head. And you know its true even if you're not one of the super pervs sticking your d@ck in anything that moves.... I've overheard stories.
The good news is it's not too late to turn from your wrong ways and read God's word and accept the truth before it's too late. I know none of us are perfect and I'm being judgmental but I'm sooo sick of all this politically correct bs nowadays and it's wrong to speak your opinion if it's not pro-gay. I'm not gonna lose any sleep if you don't choose to believe the truth and open your eye's... We're all sinners but the main idea about believing in GOD and being Christian is actively trying to be a better person and to "Sin Less....." For all you who ignorantly say there is no God well what if you're wrong?!?! You will spend eternity in Hell in constant unbearable never ending teeth grinding pain. And GOD doesn't send people to hell, you make that choice!! So on the flip side if I'm wrong (and I know I'm not) I got nothing to lose!! And you have everything to lose.... There are countless stories about people dieing going to heaven or hell and returning to tell their stories. There's hundred's of documented facts and prophecies in the bible have all been 100% accurate. And there's no arguing with FACTS. Heck they even discovered Noah's Ark.... http://www.sunnyskyz.com/good-news/470/Noah-s-Ark-Has-Been-Found-Why-Are-They-Keeping-Us-In-The-Dark-
The reason why there are all these problems and bs in our world nowadays is because God gave us humans freewill!! He didn't create robot's, he wants us to choose to believe in him. That's how you're forgiven and have salvation in Heaven with NO pain, No Suffering and eternal happiness. ALL sins are forgivable in GODS eye's but your have to really mean it and open your heart and soul to GOD and ask for forgiveness. Maybe by the grace of GOD the truth will get through to at least one of you... Why not look into it you got nothing to lose and everything to gain!! YOutube is a good start to see real testimonials. OHH and yes I know I was pretty offensive but I'm a Marine and more of a warrior Christian at heart so I'm not like your average person preaching so to speak...
Wow, are you kidding me... Did they teach you that mentality in the Marines! I don't know where to start. First, there are ZERO (0) facts stating "god" created man or women. Let me repeat that, ZERO facts other than stories written 2000 years ago. You have blind certainty! One question for that thought...Where did dinosaurs fit into the bible?? Again, ZERO facts.
Secondly, the Christian belief teaches you to forgive all, love your neighbor, and to turn the other cheek. You have broken all three of those beliefs, which makes you...wait for it...a TERRIBLE CHRISTIAN! You should probably go talk to a priest their "soldier of god" before you end up in hell with all the gays you hate!
Thirdly, "warrior Christian" do you not see the irony in that statement. More people have died in the name of God than all World Wars, murders, and suicides combined (FACT). Fuck you and your "warrior christian beliefs". God was not a politician, Jesus was not a politician, yet you use gods name to determine political rules. The rules have already been determined, separation of church and state. Your religious views don't belong in law.
You are a very mixed up person, and need help. You can't have your cake and eat it to. I could keep going, but what's the point??
Scott, don't worry about Mick. He's a very angry, ignorant hypocrite. Those are the worst kind, and they aren't convincible, especially by facts. If you interpret the Bible differently than his hateful view on it, you're going to hell. If you believe in evolution, you're going to hell. If you're gay, you're going to hell. But he's not judging anyone!
In all seriousness, he has no regard for anything Jesus of Nazareth said because that would go against his teeny-tiny worldview. As a Marine, it's quite likely he has broken the Ten Commandments, so he has absolutely no right in the eyes of God or Jesus to judge the actions or tendencies of others. You can't win an argument with someone who doesn't believe in reason. Unfortunately, people like Mick are utterly incapable of learning new things or evolving. I feel sorry for them, but I don't worry about them until they start threatening me, which is almost inevitable if I express an actual fact rather than an opinion. It's ever so Christian to cuss people out for being different from you. He's just a stunted human being so try to ignore him, and hope his children sneak a peek at some science books and get a real education, even if they have to hide it from their bigoted, anti-Christian father.
@ Scott7100, You're so fucking ignorant words can't even describe your stupidity.... There's no place in the Marine Corps for Fags... I've watched countless videos where scientists have proven without a doubt that we were created by intelligent design and didn't just come to be or evolve dipshit. The odds of us evolving from some ape are about .00000001 in a trillion. Do some research before you just open your cock swallowing mouth so to speak and there's hundreds of facts that back up the bible, its words have proven to be 100% true.
Your not my neighbor bitch or someone I have to care about so don't twist God's words, I care about my fellow people and friends that are GOOD people with high morales. I also never said I HATE gay people in general. But I don't care to socialize with them and I don't think it's acceptable in any shape or form.... I forgive people who have sinned against me and don't preach to me as you really don't know what the fuck you're talking about!!
Yes warrior Christian, or is that to difficult for you to comprehend?!?! Again with your ignorance. As a Warrior Christian I don't go looking for a fight or want to conquer or rule over anyone (I wish their was peace throughout the world and everyone was a good honorable person) and I don't look forward to going into battle in the future but I will fight to my last breath for my family/friends and what I believe in. You're just a piece of shit under my boots... If you don't believe in God you're gonna be in for a rude awakening in the next 7-8 years or sooner if you die by accident...
So, in your messed up, closed minded little world... You think God is ok with you going into combat and killing another human being, but not with loving someone of the same sex? This politically correct bs, as you call it, is just basic courtesy, and respect for other people. The problem is, you weren't raised right.
Oh, and I am also a Marine, and I consider people like you an embarrassment to the Corps.
Have you ever read the bible? There's a lot of righteous wars where GOD has instructed/guided his people through many Wars/battles when necessary! So you obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about!! I'm not talking about murdering people, but in battle/combat or self defense it's justified as you should know if you're an actual Marine which I doubt.
God has clearly said it's a sin in the bible many times for a man to be with another man... I'm sure God still loves them but it doesn't mean it's ok... I know I was raised pretty good and I've helped out a lot of good people, I have 3 great kids of my own who are courteous and not constantly getting into trouble. What ever happen to free speech nowadays?? Everyone is entitled to their opinion and guess what 70% of the United states does not agree homosexuality... When I come across an obviously gay person I'm not disrespectful unless they do sometime disrespectful towards me.
How would you explain the gay marches were a bunch of men are having sex with each other as they're marching down the streets?? Do normal people do that kind of shit?? I think not!! it's extremely disrespectful and disgusting and obviously those fags involved could care less. Just another example of what I'm talking about!!
Your are an ARROGANT SELF ABSORBED FUCKIN CUNT!!!!!!!!
Watch as your family kills themselves over something they have no choice in and see how you feel.
People like you need to have the fuckin shit beaten out them to maybe find a brain cell, but that would be a waste of someones energy.
Shall I begin with the fact that "Warrior Christian" is an Oxymoron? In point of fact, the man you profess to follow was a peaceful, gentle individual who believed that you should "love thy neighbor as thyself." No mention was ever made of a loophole allowing you to renege if you didn't like his/her sexual orientation. But then, from the tone of your comment, I would say you likely don't love yourself very much either. I can certainly see why you wouldn't...
As far as your religion being the basis for law in the U.S.: this country was not founded as a religious state, and I for one intend to work to see that it remains a secular state. Also, I would suggest that you may well be naming your beliefs erroneously. If you prefer to find your guidance in the Old Testament rather than the New, you should look into Judaism. The old Testament is in fact, the Torah. It is the religious base that Christ was brought up with, and which he chose to preach against. That is why you never read of him espousing "an eye for an eye, " etc.
In closing, you seem to be certain that yours is the only correct religious viewpoint. I must ask: Who told you that all of your beliefs were right and everyone else's were wrong? Personally, I follow a MUCH older Religion, and I do believe you will look quite the fool when you stand before the Goddess Hel to be judged. 'Warrior' or no, I cannot believe you stand a prayer of making it into Valhalla. My Gods don't want anything to do with your type.
@ LADY Gale...
Yes there is such a thing as warrior Christians.. Many battles were justified and fought throughout history and in the bible against truly evil people who were only bent on power and destruction. I hope and strive for peace but prepare for battle. Have you read the bible?? LOL
You're ignorant opinion of me is way off lady... I care quite a bit for my family/friends/neighbors. This land was founded on Christian values and morales! One Nation Under GOD ring a bell?!?!
Simply put If you don't believe in the one and only true GOD and accept that he is our Saviour and died for all our sins you're sending yourself to hell!! I know I'm a sinner and I ask God for forgiveness almost every day.
I think you're quite the fool for putting your faith in a false GOD(s) Your God(s) are the false and fallen angels so good luck with that... Your so screwed you don't even know it.... lol
So when did you decide to be straight? How is it a fact that god created man and women to be together? Your choice language like corn hole just goes to show you have zero respect for anyone who is not you. I feel sorry for you. Must be tough to live in a world where only you matter. PS- YOUR BIBLE IS NOT FACT.
@ Just Me:
Are your seriously that ignorant?!?!
Oh my gosh... That has to be the single most idiotic comment I've ever read in my entire life!! Thank you for the amusement! lol.
Actually my family comes first!!
This comment coming from someone who doesn't comprehend that man and woman were created to be together. How do you think your were conceived dumbass??
PS... Yes it is! You'll soon learn the truth first hand!!
Lol I am not going to ask why your posting your nonsense on a gay magazine article. As for your attempts at using God and Bible to back up your asinine veiws that's a laugh. You also mention people seeing heaven or hell after a near death experience but fail to mention that there are scientific explanations for that. I think that instead of commenting on gay links you should have no knowledge of you being straight and all (insert sarcasm here)) you instead might want to consider joining a down low website so you can get the dick you obviously want and leave the rest of us alone.
This legal action is completely unconstitutional. Let them pass it. It will go to the Supreme Court and have it be overturned; then no state in the US will be able to do this. These people are too dumb to see that their horrible actions are actually HELPING gay people, because it shows how discriminatory they are. "Please proceed Kansas, please proceed".
You don't seem to understand the concept of consent, or that gay women also exist. So let me break it down for you:
The slippery slope to bestiality argument is absolutely meaningless, and ignorant. Animals cannot give consent. Just like children cannot give consent by law. They do not have the complexity of thought to say yes or no to sexual advances. Therefore, any relationship between an adult human and an animal, or child, since I know that's the next "argument" coming, is non-consensual, and by extension, morally reprehensible. Two adults, male or female, in a consensual romantic or sexual relationship (I know the sex part is all you think about for some reason) are not violating you in any way. Homosexuality is not contagious, so being around gay people has no effect on you, other than perhaps making you feel uncomfortable because all you think about is their sex life, which really is no more your business than your sex life is theirs. Do you fantasize about your straight friends having sex, too? You can't imagine being attracted to someone of the same gender, and that's ok. Gay people can't imagine being attracted to someone of the opposite gender. Bisexual people can be attracted to either. It's just the way we as people were made, and if the relationship is consensual, then it's none of your business.
And yes, you are a bigot. Maybe some day you'll meet someone and you'll think they are an amazing human being, and when you find out they're gay, you'll realize that we're all just people. I hope so. It's no fun going through life being afraid of things you don't understand.
WHY ARE YOU SO INTO THE SEX PART? kinky fuck! stop thinking about it so much a normal straight person doesn't think about it and does not care! Your obviously not getting any pussy or any fun and your fat unattractive and hungry for some loving other than your hand! please realize your a mistake and you should stop choosing to be so dumb! nobody cares about what you have to say or do with yourself.. there is only one answer for you and that's either suicide or travel. do both!
Are u out of ur fucking mind!! Being gay is not a choice and it has nothing to do with sex, its about who we fall in love with. I'm guessing ur "thingy" is to small to cram in anywhere so u use your time to spread negativity and badmouth good people! Good luck with ur life (that is if u have one).
While Herman may have been a tad rude, I must say, his original point is valid. I believe that homosexuals have a mental disorder. i am sure this will ruffle some feathers among the pc crowd here, but it's how I feel. Look at the good ol days when life was simple, and men were men. Now we have Miley Cyrus, people spending 16 hours a day online, and men wanting to make love to other men. That being said, I personally have no problem with gay people themselves, it's more the act of homosexuality that I personally find repulsive. I'm sure I will be called a bigot but that's not the case, just because someone disagrees with your lifestyle doesn't make them a bigot. Hope that made sense lol
Its my opinion that your lifestyle is now viewed as the pariah...and the thought of breeders disgust me to the point of puking and neuroscientists have already proven that religious and political fundamental thought comes from a smaller cortex...while homosexuality was removed as a "mental disorder" in the 70's,
Never fear the scientist are working on a cure for fundamentalism...maybe some type of forced reparative therapy to help you assimilate into the natural order of things
Have A Gay Day
I am sure your a real winner and very smart because you know so much about everything but I think the only reason you would find homosexuality repulsive is because you most likely picture yourself as a gay person and that's not something your comfortable with.. which is fine! I get it.. sleeping with a religious obese man or woman for that matter makes me feel pretty repulsed too omg! There is a gay person in every family so its not something you can stop its apart of the population 10 percent. gay people don't choose to be gay just like you don't choose to love Jesus and porkrinds. Truth is being gay is not a lifestyle, Gay people go to work and go home, some prefer a simple life with a family and a certain moral expectation while some are loose and like to hang out in bars (kinda like your mom right?) some people look for a partner and buy property and pay taxes and some live like trash and don't work and collect welfare same thing as straight people a lifestyle is like your workout routine and eating habits. There's not a hole lot of difference. gay people like other gay people and you like women... i mean i am sure she's the same waist size as you so i don't see the difference. if i am wrong I AM SORRY but usually you guys are fat lonely christians with no charm so I DON'T GET HOW YOU ARE SO INFORMED.
What would happen with chain restaurants like Chili's and Applebee's which have corporate policies forbidding any discrimination? They could be sued for violating their own corporate policy, or risk having their employees arrested for serving gay people. And where are gay people supposed to eat? Obviously, Kansans are hoping they will starve to death but the gays are not going down without a fight. Will they still be allowed to shop at supermarkets and cook for themselves, or are food stores required to ban them too? Will gay people be allowed to open restaurants only for themselves and not serve Christians? This is going to be a huge mess.
I'm gay, and a taxpayer. I would sincerely like to thank you for wasting my tax dollars to pass bills such as this to prohibit me from going to establishments and spending money on small businesses, and gaining you more tax revenue. I will not spend a penny more in the state of Kansas, and if I must travel, will do so around your state ensuring me that I won't be spending money for it to be taxed and spent on something as asinine as this. This isn't 1950. At least back then they had enough sense to overturn such laws, not enforce them. Way to digress.
How are they going to enforce it? My partner and I don't dress "gay", we never touch or exchange pleasantries in public. Some people think we are brothers. A gay guy and a lesbian could go out together and be undistinguishable from a straight couple. It's funny how some straight people think they can spot us all the time, but there will still be plenty of gay people patronizing restaurants and other businesses without anybody knowing, and this will be a total failure. Of course, I would never go to Kansas anyhow. It's an ugly state.
The Bible also says anyone who cheats on their spouse should be put to death. If we're going to take all Biblical verses literally, we better get busy killing lots of philandering husbands.
Also, don't forget Matthew 25:40: "And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.' "
Sorry Jesus, your kind is not welcome in Kansas.
I bet the problem is not people sex preference....the problem that they have. Is that gay people see the world diferently and it can't not be easy manipulate and that is a thread to then...afraid to awakening sociaety...they can careless about the human race is all about control...is so freaking clear
These comments from people trying to discredit the bible are ridiculous. The bible is the very definition of the word truth. No getting around that fact. Also be careful of using that word bigot. It's making you guys look like "bigots" yourselves. Enough is enough with all the politically correct garbage.
Leviticus is man's law, not.God's. God gave Moses over 600 commandments not just 10. Men decided that ten was enough. While we are discussing abominations,your perma press shirt is mixed thread. Your shrimp cocktail is an abomination as well as that ham sandwich you ate for lunch. That cheese burger is a no-no too,dairy and meat. Shall I go on or has the point gotten through. Men wrote the Bible therefore as with all things man has created there are errors. Yes, I am a Christian and no I do not think people choose to be gay, and yes God loves them. For you to pass your judgment on anyone is a sin.
Well, some things about Liviticus are good, for example, I am having a hard time in this economy and I could really use more money! I have a daughter, but I am unable to determine what would be a good price for her? anyone willing to help me on this? I mean, she is really pretty and has a nice body. I think I could get enough to put a down payment on a Summer home! What do you think? guys?
Fans of the Bible do not get to declare what is and isn't truth. No matter how ardently you believe it, it should have ZERO effect on anyone who does not. There are many, many people who could not care less about your religion, beliefs, etc. Regardless of your heavy-handed propaganda, this is not a Christian nation, there is no official state religion and you are not entitled to cram that stuff down the throats of people who don't care. And before you go off on how I must hate God and despise faith, etc, the truth is that I have great respect for what faith CAN bring to people's lives- compassion, kindness, tolerance, strength in difficult times, a sense of community. But if you only use your religion to affirm your own narrow-minded biases, and if you insist on shoving religion into civil, secular life, then I have nothing but contempt for it.

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"Our vision for the exchange is to take something complicated and confusing and make it easy and understandable," said Kevin Counihan, chief executive officer of the state-sponsored Connecticut Health Insurance Exchange, during a "Healthy Chat" event at Mitchell College attended by about 75 people. "We want to make it simple for people to shop and compare."
The exchange is being set up as an online shopping center for health insurance that will begin enrolling customers in October for plans that will start providing coverage in January 2014. The exchange is being created as the state's response to the federal Affordable Care Act. Along with about 15 other states, Connecticut is opting to build its own rather than default to a federally-created exchange.
The main purpose, Counihan said, will be to provide affordable insurance to the approximately 9.6 percent of state residents who are uninsured. Others, including small businesses and self-employed residents such as Kate Davis of Madison, now paying high rates for inadequate coverage, also will be able to access the exchange.
"We just saw our plan go up $100 a month, and we're already paying 30 percent of our income for insurance," said Davis, who was pleased to learn she may be able to find a better plan on the exchange.
She said she "pays through the nose" for a plan that doesn't even cover routine mammograms, even though she's a breast cancer survivor.
Counihan explained that rates for insurance in the exchange will determined as a percentage of income, with subsidies provided to those with low incomes. The maximum monthly premiums would not exceed 9 percent of monthly income, or about $432 per month for a family of four with an income that's 200 percent of the federal poverty level - about $46,100. There will be four tiers for each plan offered, from the most expensive "platinum" plan that covers 90 percent of health care costs, to the "bronze" plan that covers 60 percent but has the lowest premiums.
There also will be maximum deductible of $2,000 for an individual, $4,000 for a family, and maximum out-of-pocket costs of $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a family, he said.
Dr. Stephen Smith, a primary care physician at the Community Health Center, said he is "excited about the exchange, but also apprehensive," because of concerns about affordability. He gave the example of two of his diabetic patients who now have "crappy" insurance that doesn't cover the insulin they need. His patients can't afford to pay for it themselves, he said.
Grant Ritter, one of panelists Tuesday and a member of the board of directors of the exchange, said those with very low incomes will pay only 3 percent of their incomes toward insurance.
"Crappy insurance is more or less going to die," he said. "All the new policies will at least be at the bronze level."
Smith, however, said he didn't think these two patients could afford to pay 30 percent or 40 percent of the cost of their insulin. Later in the forum, he urged Counihan and others from the exchange to use their leverage with insurance companies in the exchange to bring costs down and improve coverage, particularly for specialist care.
"Be the Sears or the Target or the Wal-Mart and get some cojones and start negotiating," he said.
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Separate dental coverage will be offered through the exchange, and all the plans will be required to include pediatric dental care, Counihan said.
Tuesday's event was one in a series of forums the exchange is hosting around the state this month. Another series will be offered next year, he said.
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Location: Tasmania, Australia in the mountains.
Posted: Tue 14 Aug 2012, 17:58
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Bob_the_plumber wrote:
Hmm.. how do i install this stuff the only choice i have is "live cd, live cd copy to ram, live cd failsafe.." frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn about this live cd feature, i want it on my hd. is there a way to install it because i'm so noob that i did not find it.
I've read the first pages of the post and there is no "easy" installation, I'll try to find a way or read more.
Well after reading how to do a hd image here http://www.thepussycatforest.info/linux/README.txt i think i will give up, i'm to noob for this kind of stuff and i will surely mess up my puppy / winxp dual boot..
yeah pussy is a live distro and best ran from a CDROM or USB stick. If you want to use a USB stick then download and use the .img.zip, and unzip it then use "dd" to image it to the USB stick (instructions in the README on the website) or there are a number of utilities that run in windows that can use the .iso to put on a USB stick. Either way, you can still run a save file on your HDD or compressed save file on your USB stick. (You can literally fit 20GB on a 8GB USB stick when using compressed save files).
HDD installs while not "officially supported" (ie. every computer system is different and so while we can help you, we cant tell you exactly what to type command for command if you have problems, the only way to be sure is to visit you personally and take a look at your setup) most people do end up installing to HDD once they have had some experience with grub.
However, Pussy was MADE to run from a USB stick and will work so well doing this that in most cases it negates the need to run from a HDD. Also this lets you simply leave your other OSes alone and not have to mess with your HDD.
As far as bugs and or features that need to be added and or fix in Pussy goes, the HDD install method that is newbie friendly is top priority.
It was a trade off when planning to make Pussy, either use normal debian and have an easy HDD install method and loose the ability to run from cd and USB, or use debian live and have very well supported cd and usb installs but loose the HDD install feature. The live usb and cd method was chosen over HDD only.
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Pussy-Pie update:
Pussy for the Raspberry Pi is making progress. The server version is already available for download from the website: http://www.thepussycatforest.info
The more Puppy-like OS that i am working on now uses the server version as a base and keeps all the servery type things intact while adding a proper usable desktop.
So far all the apps are installed and i am working on the cosmetic type stuff to tie it all in. The desktop will initially look very much like normal Pussy with it booting to JWM and giving the user the option of enabling ROX filer to handle the background icons etc and file managing. This is even more important on Pussy Pie than normal Pussy because the Rasp has so little resources.
Here is a list of the applications that Pussy Pie Desktop will have: (may call this one Pussy Pie Xtra, to keep in line with current naming of the different Pussies.)
mtpaint, leafpad, gpicview, mplayer + mplayer-gui, dillo, milkytracker, rosegarden, XFburn, xaos, cadubi, dosbox, basic256, squashfstools, mhwaveedit, ayttm, epdfview, fbreader, airstrike, hydrogen, audacity, jackd, dead-souls (a MUD text adventure game server ), and of cause the openssh-server, pure-ftpd, telnet server and lighttpd webserver.
There are some familiar apps in there and some that i thought would be interesting to add. Rosegarden/ milkytracker/ hydrogen/ audacity/ jackd (including jack2 and all the other tiny midi packages that it depends on) could be a very good and educational music suite for that revolves around the midi and mod formats. Depending on performance, i may subtract and or add to this lineup of music type apps. I have a midi keyboard and i will use it to test and set it all up well, the OS wont ship with badly configured jack/ rosegarden that is kinda fiddly at the best of times.
This may lean heavily on audio type things but the Rasp Pi is so restricting that its probably best to play to its strengths, because the problem here is trying to find things that it can actually run, and using the Rasp Pi as a useful midi and recording station for home studios is something the Rasp can actually do and do it *silently*. With no fans needed to cool it, the Rasp is silent and this is good for home studios.
I fear that the application selection will undergo many reviews as better drivers and utilities for the Rasp are released. For instance, when OpenGL actually works on debian and is accelerated then I will add some games and maybe release a dedicated games OS as well. When webcams are more available, then a webcam app will be added ... etc... you get the picture.
Many things in the Raspbian repos are not there, either they need to more time to compile the entire Debian repos for the Rasp, or there is some real compatibility issues somewhere. For example, i wanted to add DOSEmu but its not there, but DosBox is. Its not just a matter of performance that dictates what apps we can have working on the Rasp, but the actual availability of applications that have been compiled.
There are a couple of oddities that i am attempting to iron out as far as the disk footprint. Here are a couple of issues as an example:
xcalc: a calculator is always expected to be there, but for some reason this simple program depends on 50MB of other apps, this is strange.
Midori: while this is only a 18mb program, when i try to apt-get it, the dependencies total more than 100MB. In comparison, iceweasel the debian version of firefox only needs 20mb of space including dependencies.
due to the lack of a decent repo of static packages that have been compiled for the Rasp, i kinda have my hands tied with what i can install. If i was to install these and then delete the junky type dependencies from the filesystem manually, this would leave a broken and therefor an incompatible Raspbian OS in its wake, and apt-get will simply be very buggy or may be completely unusable.
There is also no solution for running a compressed filesystem using squashfs for the main OS (this is not a live system like other Pussies).
So 50mb is really actually 50mb. Whereas with other Pussies, 50mb of install programs really only took about 13mb after slimming them and then adding them to the compressed squashfs filesystem. And because all Rasp Pi users will be using SD cards, we need to keep a very small footprint.
well.... back to work
[Edit:] I forgot to mention that xarchiver and anyterm will be included. The anyterm server lets you designate a port number to run on and when you surf to that port using a web browser, it will provide you with a web to ssh shell interface. You can use it to provide access to the command line interface or a program that can be run at the console. The www.thepussycatforest.info website uses anyterm to provide access to a text adventure game. This becomes a bit of a memory nazi with multiple sessions of this running at once, but its not meant for high traffic. Combining the dead-souls MUD server with anyterm results in a game that is embedded into a webpage that can be used as a chat room.
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Posted: Tue 14 Aug 2012, 20:05
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sickgut wrote:
There are some familiar apps in there and some that i thought would be interesting to add. Rosegarden/ milkytracker/ hydrogen/ audacity/ jackd (including jack2 and all the other tiny midi packages that it depends on) could be a very good and educational music suite for that revolves around the midi and mod formats.
Sounds awesome. Hydrogen is a lot of fun. Hope everything plays ball and comes together ok.
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Posted: Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:20
Post subject: Media Streaming
Subject description: i need advice
Hello people....
I have stumbled across an idea and i need advice from all you guys.
Apparently there is a few media "streaming" applications available.
The difference between just serving out video files via the webserver or ftp or samba etc.... and the video files being served out using streaming software is this:
#1) Traditional webserver/ samba/ ftp serving of video files.... when the user surfs to or logs in or clicks on a shared folder and then clicks on a video file, it doesnt play... it downloads and then the user needs to find where it was saved then play the file
#2) With streaming software (as i understand it), you can use your web browser to surf to the servers IP or hostname and all this is the same as number #1 except when you click on the video file, it plays over the network, just like youtube.
Now i am asking you guys for advice, can you guys point me in the right directiion in selecting what media streaming software is easy to use and stable etc... any recommendations are welcome,
I think the Rasp Pi would be able to run streaming software and this would be an awesome addition to Pussy-Pie.
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If i was to stream something i would stick it in a webpage with the appropriate html. I'd have to look the html code up because i havent done it for a long time.
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Posted: Wed 15 Aug 2012, 15:14
Post subject: Re: Media Streaming
Subject description: i need advice
sickgut wrote:
#2) With streaming software (as i understand it), you can use your web browser to surf to the servers IP or hostname and all this is the same as number #1 except when you click on the video file, it plays over the network, just like youtube.
I'm no expert on streaming, but it seems to me that the main issue is owning the rights to the streamed content.
The software and hardware requirements for streaming quality media files from the internet do not seem difficult - but if the owner of the streaming website or media access rights changes the format (for the sake of controlling or monitoring access) it creates a moving target - and that seems to be why there have been so many changes to Flash etc, over the last couple of years.
It is also why Apple does not support Flash- because they want to lock up and control the streamed content in their own way. Apple also says they have controlling rights to Theora aswell, so I don't know how it would be possible to focus on streaming from the internet without falling prey to the controlling natures of the media companies.
If there was an "opensource" version of youtube I think it would be worth streaming, but otherwise I think it is a waste of time trying to keep changing the software in an effort to keep up with the changes they make. (The media controllers don't want Linux hackers accessing the media...They want to use streamed media as a paid, subscription service ala iTunes if they can swing it...).
However, if RasPussy had opensource software for streaming from an HDD to it's own local network then that would be a nice feature.
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Posted: Wed 15 Aug 2012, 20:16
Post subject: Re: Media Streaming
Subject description: i need advice
Streaming is a technology. It has nothing to do with rights. From the developers view in application development, the application can stream or the application can accept a stream. Rights has no place in streaming.
But, I do recognize and respect authorship and artist needs and desires to their work. And I am not purporting anyone to circumvent the digital rights of any product.
Lastly and most important (at least to me) is that VLC is suppose to be able to stream. What would/could be used as its streaming receiver?
Can Xine be a streamer and is that documented somewhere?
Thanks in advance for any help on these 2 questions
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Posted: Wed 15 Aug 2012, 20:54
Post subject: Re: Media Streaming
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gcmartin wrote:
Streaming is a technology. It has nothing to do with rights.
But there is no point going to the effort of setting up streaming capability if you have no right to access the codec that is used to format the data. Or if that codec is proprietary and only available to those who pay a subscription, or allow google-style monitoring.
The reason so many people have had so many problems trying to stream from news websites or youtube is that the media companies are keen to prevent free public access to any form of entertainment or media that they can use to make advertising revenue on.
It would be valuable to have streaming capability if there was a universally accepted standard agreed upon by webhosts and media organisations, allowing stable and free access. However that is not currently the case as far as I can tell. Even if you look at the .pdf standard (one of the most universally accepted formats for static information) they still keep changing it year on year.
It's still early days in the moving pictures war, but even now there is very little standardisation in terms of codec etc across the globe. Of course we in Puppyland could make our own choice and have our own PupTube.
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Posted: Thu 16 Aug 2012, 01:33
Post subject: Re: Media Streaming
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gcmartin wrote:
Lastly and most important (at least to me) is that VLC is suppose to be able to stream. What would/could be used as its streaming receiver?
Take a look here. Maybe this information will help:
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Posted: Thu 16 Aug 2012, 05:55
Post subject: Re: Media Streaming
Subject description: i need advice
saintless wrote:
gcmartin wrote:
Lastly and most important (at least to me) is that VLC is suppose to be able to stream. What would/could be used as its streaming receiver?
Take a look here. Maybe this information will help:
Thanks for that link Saintless. If i can work with VLC then i will set it up so that it can be enabled or disabled etc either as part of the raspi-config that has been left over and unmodified from the original raspbian OS or part of a "catroll panel" ... lol... remember that?
If it gets added to Pussy-Pie-Xtra then ill backport it to Pussy-Pie-Server-Edition as well.
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Posted: Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:36
Post subject: Samba VS HTTP and FTP
Subject description: its all about clients, not the people but the programs.
Hi people,
I am just posting a brief explanation as to what file sharing method i am going to setup in all versions of Pussy-Pie.
While i have left the Samba packages untouched from the original Raspbian OS, i am not going to configure them to do anything special in Pussy-Pie.
This is because as far as i can tell, even to use a perfectly configured samba on a windows machine requires us to educate newbies to use it. Newbies as far as i understand them do not know much about networking at all, even setting up shares and things between windows machines. Samba is there to provide seamless networking interconnectivity between Linux and Windows (and also to other OSes like Mac OS and Android etc).
To leave a perfectly installed and working Samba on a Linux server may seem like blasphemy but using Samba as the primary method of interconnection will result in endless man hours spent on supporting Windows users and Mac and Android users how to use networking on their specific systems to begin with, and then comes the endless cycle of Samba reconfiguring.
My official policy about this is (you can quote me on the record):
"Samba is there if you would like to configure and use it."
And so that is Samba out of the way. Now for HTTP and FTP. This is how all Pussy-Pies will handle file sharing:
lighttpd will provide webserving from /var/www (i may make a link it to /www or /webserver to make it easier to remember). Webserving will be on the usual port 80. This will remain unchanged.
Why mention this about lighttpd? we already know that all Pussies (not just Pussy-Pies) have the webserver running as standard and i can just surf to http://meow/ or http://raspberrypi/ or whatever your hostname is or the IP the machine like http://192.168.1.101 and view your personal website or a blank page if you have not created one. But we know this, why mention it here?
Well, this is because lighttpd will have a second instance running, of the same program but on a different port. The port number will be something like 1234 or 6789 or 1111 or some easy to remember number that doesnt clash with any known popular server app or web application.
You will be able to use your web browser from another computer or device on your network to surf to http://your-pussy-server-name:1234 or the IP addy of the of the machine like http://192.168.1.101:1234
and you will see the list of files you want to share from your Rasp Pi.
You simply right click the one you want and then select "save as" to save it where you like, or if you have configured your browser properly then you can single click and save it. If it is a browser viewable file like a .txt or .html or .swf then the browser will simply view the file or play it, this is good for browsing your stuff but to save these you will need to right click then select "save as". This is the easiest way to share out files and every device that has a web browser on your network will be able to use this feature with no fuss, or configuration on the users part.
To aid with file serving, a dir will be created as /media/local/ or /media/files/ . And the entire /media dir will be the default dir that lighttpd will share out as its second session. This means that as soon as a USB stick or USB HDD is attached to your Rasp Pi, it will appear in the /media dir and automatically will be shared out. This is ideal as it lets the user add a new disk and BOOM! its instantly working as a share. No need to plug in a monitor and configure the mounts and webserver config or login via ssh or telnet to do the same.
What is /media/local about then?
This will be the default place to store any files you want shared out that reside on the OSes SD card. If you are browsing the internet and want to download something and share it out, you save it in this dir and it is instantly available. I may setup the default behavior for the dillo and or secondary browser and other apps like MTpaint and any other program you download or make stuff and then save it to default to /media/local/
as its standard saving folder. This way anything plugged into the Rasp Pi or stuff you make on the Rasp Pi is shared out.
Can i disable the file sharing and or webserver? Yes, there will be an easy "disable" script or button in the Catroll-Panel or you can edit the lighttpd.conf yourself if you are brave.
OK OK .... but how do i PUT files on the Pussy-Pie as browsers only let me download?
Its called FTP and FTPS.
There is a program that is called WinSCP. It is only a few kilobytes in size and it runs on Windows, all the Windows's except for Win 3.11 and lower, ie: Win 95, 98, ME, 2000, XP, Vista, Win 7, Win 8 beta.
This WinSCP program is free and is only one file. The standard default lightppd webpage placeholder will be edited to link to this file as this file will be included with Pussy. This means that any Windows machine surfing to your Pussy-Pie server will be able to download and run this easy to use FTP/ FTPS client.
WinSCP is easy to use, you just add a new connection and you will be prompted to enter the IP or hostname of the server and then its username and password then you can save the config. Now every time you click the WinSCP icon, you are met with an open Window that lets you drag and drop any file into that open window. In this way its almost like using Samba. You can also add a mapped network drive using WinSCP if you want to. This may seem strange to those used to Samba but it really isnt any harder to use than Samba. Instead of configuring the server with a complicated conf file you can within a few clicks have write access to the server. WinSCP also lets you view and or run files with a click. You can drag to and from the WinSCP window just like it was a mapped network drive. WinSCP will default to use FTPS, which is the SSL version of FTP. If you force WinSCP to use normal FTP it will simply be un encrytped.
But what about the other OSes?
WinSCP is available for Mac OS and i may include WinSCP Mac version with Pussy-Pie. I dont know about android but there must be a WinSCP-like program for it, and when i get around to it i will find one and also include it with Pussy-Pie and so every OS will be covered once they use their browser to download it by simply entering http://servername or http://192.168.1.101 for example and then clicking on the version of WinSCP for your OS and saving it to your system and then running it.
What about Linux? Use gFTP its just like WinSCP.
While i invite everyone to comment, this is pretty much the way i go. The only potential change that may happen is that i may use a "super duper ultra fancy configuration" for Samba and there will be Samba and HTTP and FTP/ FTPS working all at the same time. HTTP and FTP have always been there and this isnt a real change, its just a matter of teaching people how to use it. The entire internet is built with Linux/ Solaris/ other *nix computers all running HTTP and FTP... its proven system.
Oh, one more potential change, i may just run one session of lighttpd that shares out /media/local as the default placeholder holder page and it will run on the standard port 80 so you dont have to enter a port number in your browser while surfing to your Rasp. This of cause kind of makes the user choose between sharing files and sharing a home web page. I think file sharing takes priority. If you really want to do both then you can set it up like that. This is only a remote potential chance tho.
Ok ill report with more developments as they happen.
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Posted: Thu 16 Aug 2012, 18:36
Post subject: FoxyRoxy Linux
Subject description: A similar base as Pussy but for a different purpose.
Hello People
I am taking the time to shamelessly plug a new Linux distro made by none other than some of our most active developers from Pussy Linux: jbv and saintless.
The name of the distro is FoxyRoxy Linux. It is based on debian live, the same as Pussy, but it has a more visually appealing desktop interface and is heading in the direction of becoming focused on providing an easy to configure NAS server but it still has everything you would expect a Linux distro to have and networking works out of the box first boot. Insert a live CD and as soon as you boot into the desktop, click Firefox and you are away surfing the internet. There is a media player and package management is handled via apt-get or Synaptic. It is definitely worth a look.
The website for FoxyRoxy is:[url] http://www.foxyroxylinux.com [/url]
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I guess the cat is out of the bag now ... or should that be Pussy?
Thanks for the shameless plug sickgut, it is genuinely appreciated.
For those who are interested, my project with saintless is now at what we consider a "Developer Release". This means that we've got it sorted and are happy with it, but it needs just a little more spit and polish before it goes live, so to speak. It also means that we really are not able to handle end-user, support type questions.
In some ways it has more than Pussy, yet it also has less. Wireless networking is not installed yet and it may be some time till this is added. We have a vision that will take some work. If you're desperate and need Wireless, you could always apt-get it, but you will also need to be able to set it up / configure it yourself.
The core already has a veritable plethora of network protocol support (via wired connections), with SMB and NFS servers running out of the box, in addition to SSH access and the "to be expected" ... Web server. It also has a DLNA server, which has been tested against a wide variety of TV's and media players, although you do need to manually start this one. It all works.
It has a little more filesystem support, although it won't boot from NTFS and write back to the NTFS partition. It is unlikely to ever be able to do that. However, you can just pop in a USB stick and it is auto-magically mounted and it doesn't use HAL to do it.
It has basic Apps, but no Office Suite. Easily installed using apt-get and we'll have some scripts for cleaning these up within the next week or two.
Going against the Linux grain, we are trying to document stuff, which is always a big task and something that will never be right. But we'll try to do what we can to make life easier for developers in this regard. The docs are a little sparse at the moment and the Forum is definitely showing signs of having just been built, as there are still test messages where we've been beating up on stuff over the last month during the setup process. Some of these threads/messages will change and/or vanish over the next few days, as we begin to finalize the setup process.
The project can be found at
We've got install guides and what we hope are enough details for developers (general tech people) to have a look, and see if this might be something they would like to be part of or can use.
Our goal is to keep the memory requirement to be under 128Mb and at the moment we're doing really well in this regard. Overall system resource usage is very low on both the memory, and CPU overhead side of things. Our Primary install is a bootable USB stick, or .squashfs files on a local hard drive.
The ISO is 546Mb at the moment, although that also includes the 90Mb build environment, 20Mb of additional sound drivers/patches which may or may-not be required, and 3 kernels (486, 686, 686-Bigmem).
Feel free to have a look, anyone can browse the forum and download the ISO.
If you'd care to drop a note afterwards, that would be great.
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Posted: Thu 23 Aug 2012, 05:56
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Hi people... just checking in to say im still working on Pussy-Pie.... i have been delayed for a few days due to problems compiling anyterm ( www.anyterm.org ) this is the http to shell interface, i see this as important to include in all Pussies as it allows you to control your Pussy system remotely using any device that has a web browser, no need to mess with Putty or telnet or some ssh client.
after anyterm is sorted out, i need to spend some time on the visual interface and that will take a few more days but after that, Pussy-Pie-Xtra will be uploaded and ready for everyone to use
[Edit:] finally have Anyterm compiled.
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Posted: Sat 25 Aug 2012, 20:47
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Hello people
still clunking along with Pussy-Pie for the time being.
However i have a renewed vigor for the normal Pussy. I was planning to make the Pussy Xtra the most complete kick ass live CDROM or USB distro possible. There is still a fair bit of space left in the ISO before it hits the 700mb mark.
I figure that Pussy is still new enough to use as a base for a more ambitious project. In previous posts I promised to maintain the current Pussy and keep it uptodate while i start work on the new generation of Pussies for 32 and 64 bit using the new Linux 3.something kernel, however i am going to stick with the current Pussy for a while and while i will start work on the next generation of Pussies at some point i am delaying that in favor or pimping the existing Pussy.
Instead of making Pussy Xtra the best and most complete live CDROM distro possible, i have decided to push it further. Pussy Xtra will be made into the best most kick ass and complete live DVD distro.
Filling up 4.something GB of a DVD disk may be difficult considering the current slimming techniques and squashfs compression, but there are alot of useful apps out there that im sure will add to Pussies usefulness.
Games, software synths, audacity/ rosegarden/ lmms/ hydrogen etc with a properly configured jack and midi system, CUPS, samba, programing utilities, video editing and other apps that i have not even heard of will be added. Looks like ill have to do some research and maybe get some feed back on what apps people actually use. Pussy Xtra is fairly packed while coming in under the 700mb live cdrom mark. A live DVD system could be epic, thats 6 times the space. The mind gets boggley at even the thought of this. I promise however, that i wont fill the DVD iso with crap.
The normal Pussy Xtra that is the flagship of the Pussy distros at the moment will still be available for download when the DVD version is released. Now what the hell do i call the DVD version? Pussy Super Really Big Xtraer? hmmmm maybe "Pussy Over Meow" or something would suit it.
I cant wait till i finish this Pussy-Pie for the Rasp, i have no love for it at all. I wont use it for anything other than a fileserver but it does that very well.
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