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Daily Beast's Jonathan Alter, Hugh and the Prosecutor Callers Debate On the Ferguson Grand Jury Decision
HH: I'm joined now by Jonathan Alter, columnist for Bloomberg View. Hello, Jonathan, Happy Thanksgiving week to you.
JA: Happy Thanksgiving week to you. I actually, I'm writing the column now for the Daily Beast, not Bloomberg View anymore.
HH: Oh, well I'm glad to know that. I will make a note on that, Daily Beast. All right, Jonathan, first question, was justice done to Michael Brown yesterday?
JA: No. You know, I mean anybody who knows the way the legal system works, as I know you do, knows that as Judge Wachtler on the New York State Supreme Court once put it in an interview, a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich. So what happens in our legal system is that prosecutors go to grand juries and they recommend indictments. They don't go in and just dump a huge amount of material on a grand jury and then say hey, do what you want, you guys. All they need to do is tell a grand jury that there is probable cause for some kind of crime possibly being committed. And if this wasn't probable cause for an involuntary manslaughter charge, I don't know what was. That's what they should have done, is said there's probable cause not for first degree murder, not for anything like that, but for involuntary manslaughter charge, and then let Officer Wilson go on trial. That's the way it works in 99.9% of other cases. And there's no reason why it shouldn't have applied in this case as well.
HH: Now have you talked to any prosecutors, Jonathan, about that?
JA: They all agree. I mean, any prosecutor I have…
HH: Actually, I spent an hour right before the show with a 22 year veteran of the County of Orange prosecutors…
JA: No, I'm not saying they all would have recommended prosecution, but they all agree that this is a huge anomaly.
HH: Actually, that's simply not true. The one I talked to, randomly selected because we had lunch set up for a long time who has done dozens of presentations to grand juries, says it is frequently the case that this is done. The only unusual thing about this is that the police officer testified, because that is an extraordinary indication of innocence, as no guilty person ever testifies before a grand jury, because you can't have defense counsel with you.
JA: Well, that's true. But if you, I think if you look a little further into this, and there's been, you know, nowadays with the web, this is all public knowledge pretty quickly, what's called a probable cause hearing, is granted in a tiny, infinitesimal fraction of cases. So even, so it's just highly, highly unusual. There was nothing standard about this. You're right, there was a standard that the police officer testified, although it is very common for police officers to testify before grand juries. But…
HH: Not when they're suspected of a crime.
JA: Well, that's true.
HH: So what I'm saying is I've only talked to one prosecutor in depth, but I really, I'm not a prosecutor, or even though I was at the Department of Justice, I don't know much about it. So I wanted to talk to one. And my impression from him is that nothing is controversial here in the eyes of the professional prosecutors, maybe on the talking head prosecutorial bar, but that in fact he thought justice was done, and that there was no probable cause, and that this officer absolutely shouldn't have been charged. But you think he should have been charged with manslaughter?
JA: Oh, he absolutely should have been charged with involuntary manslaughter.
HH: All right, next question, do you think the governor, Jay Nixon, did a good job yesterday?
JA: No, I don't think so. I mean, I think that he should have been in some better touch with McCullough, the prosecutor, so that this wasn't announced late at night. That was ridiculous. Now I know they said they don't want, they didn't want to announce it where it might interrupt rush hour or something like that, but if it was done during the work day, you would not, you just would not have seen this happen, I don't think, to the same degree. And now it's possible there might have been looting and rioting, you know, after hours in any event. We had so much of it over the summer. But you know, I just thought that the timing was really peculiar.
HH: Do you think the President of the United States did a good job yesterday?
JA: I think he did. I think he was right to deliver those remarks. He went on too long. I think his remarks today were a little bit more on point. but he was trying to calm things down. He was quoting Michael Brown's father, to tell everybody to cool it and prevent violence. And that's part of his job.
HH: I had Dr. Ben Carson on to begin the show. I want to play for you one exchange I had with him.
HH: Is it going to get worse before it gets better in the United States, because after all, we've had an African-American president for six years, Ferguson is a racially-charged situation. You're an African-American running for president on the Republican side, and I say that with the assumption that you will run, and I know you haven't formally declared, but you're all but in. Is it going to be another hundred years before this tableau stops unfolding every time there's a white-black incident?
BC: Well, you know, I actually believe that things were better before this president was elected. And I think that things have gotten worse because of his unusual emphasis on race.
HH: Can you explain more? What do you mean by that? How did they get worse, and how did he contribute to it?
BC: Well, for instance, in the incident with Henry Louis Gates, Skip Gates, and him calling out the police, and you know, how they always do this kind of thing, and the Trayvon Martin case, you know, if I had a son, this is what he would look like, rather than trying to take the balanced, objective look at things, and then, you know, what's happened here. And then the way, which really irritates me to some degree, the way he and a bunch of progressives manipulate, particularly minority communities, to make them feel that they are victims.
HH: What do you think, Jonathan?
JA: I think he's full of it, to tell you the truth. I mean, first of all, he didn't say in the Henry Louis Gates thing oh, this kind of thing always happens. That's not what he said. So with the Trayvon Martin case, just a human reaction. If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. That was a perfectly human and reasonable thing for him to say. And in this case, he's done, the President's done absolutely nothing wrong. He's trying to prevent violence, and trying to use his authority in the black community as the first black president to tell African-Americans in Ferguson to cool it. And you know, if Ben Carson doesn't believe that that's an important thing for a black president to do, he has no business running for president.
HH: Do you think that the media should withdraw from Ferguson?
JA: No, it's a legitimate story. And when these knuckleheads are out looting, it needs to be covered.
HH: But does the presence of so much media in fact incite the very violence? You know, some two dozen people lost their livelihoods yesterday. I was in L.A. during the riots of '92, and no one ever covers the aftermath when the insurance sums come in and they're not equal. You lose four months of business operation.
JA: Oh, I know. It's terrible.
HH: I mean, it's a nightmare. It's a nightmare.
JA: I was there in the aftermath, also. I went with President Bush touring the riot scene. It's just awful for the local businesses.
HH: So the media is, they're on like riot watch again tonight. At what point do they close up shop and go home? And when do they take off the incendiary people? I mean, Van Jones was on yesterday. If he's ever been near a grand jury, then I'm a circus elephant rider, because this is just, people are saying the dumbest things about grand jury indictments.
JA: Well, I mean you and I just disagree on that, Hugh. I mean, this is, it's actually not a matter of opinion. This case, whatever the prosecutor you talk to had to say to the contrary, this case included what's called a probable cause hearing. And normally, you don't, you know, you don't need a long review of the evidence in the grand jury. The conflicting evidence is reviewed at trial. So this was a complete anomaly.
HH: No, actually, Jonathan, it isn't.
JA: …in the criminal justice system.
HH: But what I was referring to with Van is that, Van Jones, is that he said it's a travesty that the family learned at the same time as everybody else. In fact, that's not a travesty. That is the ordinary course.
JA: Oh, right. That's right. Oh, I agree with you on that. No, that was in the ordinary course of things. But you know, what is just important to keep in mind is that a grand jury is not a trial. Now it may well be that…
HH: Jon…
JA: …it may well be that, I know your listeners all know this.
HH: Yeah, and I'm a law professor. But this is not, as a law professor, Jonathan, this was not an anomaly. Grand juries are used all the time. If you've got an easy lock-down probable cause, you go to a judge, you have a preliminary hearing, boom, bang, done. But if you have a complicated case like this, it happens dozens of times.
JA: And it really, I mean, you know, I should forward to you some of the email that I've received from, you know, lawyers, you know, who appear before grand juries, lawyers whose clients are indicted by grand juries every day.
HH: Okay, I'm going to ask prosecutors out there to…
JA: And I think that works the same way. Or talk to some defense attorneys, because…
HH: No, not…it's prosecutors.
JA: What they say is that their clients never get the opportunity. A lot of them would like to appear before the grand jury.
HH: No, no, no. No…
JA: Yes.
HH: Jonathan, stick around with me. Stick around with me. Nobody goes before a grand jury unless they're absolutely innocent. Never. You don't do it.
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HH: Jonathan, what I was saying before we went to the break is that defense counsel don't want their clients in front of grand juries.
JA: Not true.
HH: Okay, I want to go to Lynne who's a prosecutor calling from Orange County. Hey, Lynne, you're on the Hugh Hewitt Show with Jonathan Alter. I have no idea who you agree with here, but tell us your position.
Lynne: Okay, so I've been a prosecutor for over 22 years. I have handled well over two dozen homicide cases and taken seven to verdict. Mr. Alter could not be more wrong about several things. First of all, the idea that prosecutors go into a grand jury and we always ask for an indictment, that's completely incorrect. The only time we ask for an indictment is when we personally have an abiding conviction that we believe there's enough evidence to get a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. We routinely will go in with a grand jury and not give them particularly a request for a particular charge. We will present to them all the evidence, both the good and the bad, which by the way we have a moral and legal obligation to present all the negative aspects of our case, not just the positive. That's why they…both the bad and the ugly, because they have a moral obligation…
HH: You're breaking up, Lynne. Would you call back on a different line? Jonathan…
JA: Yes, that, can I…
HH: I really think you need to talk to some prosecutors.
JA: Yeah, and you need to talk to some defense attorneys. So just to give you, first of all, I'd like to know from Lynne when she calls back what percentage of the cases that she presents to a grand jury do not result in indictment, and where she recommends indictment.
HH: And by the way, Duane, would you make sure they keep an eye open for Lynne? Go ahead.
JA: Let me just address this point. I just got off last week a jury in Newark. I was a juror, if you can believe it, Hugh, and the defendant who was convicted testified in his own defense. This case was kind of preposterous, but he wanted to take the stand and testify in his own defense. He did so. Believe me. His attorney would have loved it if the grand jury had given him the option of doing that before the grand jury.
HH: Jonathan, time out for a second.
JA: They could have tried this up with the grand jury.
HH: Let's pause right there. Do you realize that defense counsel aren't allowed in the room?
JA: I understand that.
HH: No defense counsel.
JA: But in this case, the prosecutor, but they still have counsel. And in the same way that Wilson's counsel was glad that the prosecutor in this case did him the favor of allowing him to testify, any other defense attorney would, you know, if they thought their client was innocent, which in some cases they are, Hugh, you know, would have liked the opportunity to have, to testify as Wilson did.
HH: Jonathan, what I, Lynne has not called back, by the way, 1-800-520-1234, and I'm encouraging her to call back. But Jonathan, you've got to believe me on this. They're…I don't know if you found the one defense counsel in America who wants a client who is other than…
JA: A probable cause hearing? They all want that.
HH: No, a grand jury, before a grand jury.
JA: They all want what are called probable cause hearings before a grand jury.
HH: Nobody, but what I'm asking, nobody wants, lets their client go to the grand jury if there is a scintilla of doubt in their mind that they are innocent.
JA: Not true.
HH: That's the bottom line.
JA: That's just not true.
HH: It is.
JA: I mean, if there's a, they want, look, there are cases where they believe that their client is innocent. You're operating from a stereotype that all defense attorneys are certain that their clients are guilty That's not true. And there's, you know, we know form the work of the Innocence Project and the Center on Wrongful Conviction, and of course, Northwestern and lots of other legal projects that not every suspect who comes in there is guilty.
HH: Of course, not.
JA: Most of them are, but not all of them.
HH: But Jonathan, what I'm getting to…
JA: And some of them are more than happy to have a probable cause hearing before a grand jury, but they can't get them…
HH: What I'm getting to…
JA: because the prosecutors don't offer them probable cause hearings the way they did Wilson in this case. So I disagree with you.
HH: There are lots of variations across many different places, and absolutely the rules do change. But what I am pointing out is that nobody wants their client to go into a defense, into a grand jury, because they're not allowed in the room, and they don't have counsel.
JA: Right.
HH: If they want to consult counsel, they have to stop and leave the room to go out.
JA: Right.
HH: So for someone to go before a grand jury indicates enormous confidence in their innocence. That's my point, is that…
JA: Well, that's true. That's true. And I think that's a point…
HH: Enormous confidence in their innocence.
JA: I think that's a point in Wilson's favor, is that he was so confident of his innocence that he was willing to go before the grand jury. But my only point, Hugh, is that there are other such defendants who are willing to do this, but they're not allowed to do it by the prosecutor, because normally what happens is probable cause is such a low standard, that the prosecutors don't want to get conflicting evidence. They want the grand jury to return indictments so they can try or have the case, try the case or have it pleaded out.
HH: And so what I'm getting back to is having talked to a prosecutor, two of them today, one on the phone, Lynne, 22 years, the other one, a man, 22 years, what happened, and I think it's important for the media to get this right, is simply not extraordinary. It's not out of the ordinary at all.
JA: Not at, you're not right about that. Now maybe in the case of a police officer, it's not out of the ordinary, when a police officer is a defendant.
HH: Jonathan, but we've had two…
JA: I'm sure that plenty of them give police officers breaks like this in cities across the country. But if you're talking about defendants in general, it is extraordinarily out of the ordinary.
HH: Jonathan, I'm just going on evidence. We had Lynne, a 22 year veteran, and we had, I can't name the other person, it was off the record. So I've talked to two prosecutors with 44 years' experience today.
JA: Well, I can't wait for Lynne to get back on the phone.
HH: But I mean, have you talked to any prosecutors today?
JA: Yeah.
HH: You?
JA: And you should, and former federal prosecutors. And by the way, you should, you know, list some, not every guy on TV who is a lawyer is a yokel. You know, some of them are actually talking some sense. And there's a big, strong…
HH: I have yet to hear one, but let's talk to Tony, who's an officer. Tony is calling from Los Angeles. What kind of an officer are you, Tony?
Tony: I'm an officer of the court. I was a DA for 22 years in L.A. I've been in private practice, criminal defense for the last seven years. In California, you by law have to notify the target of the investigation of the hearing, and give him the order, or the option that he testify. So I don't know what this guy is talking about. Everybody…
JA: Well, that's interesting, because…
HH: Okay, and here's, Lynne's back. Thank you. I want to go back to Lynne. Lynne, you're back. And Jonathan wanted to talk to you about, you know, that argument that this is unusual. Would you please…
JA: So in what, Lynne, I've got a question for you. In what percentage of cases do you…
HH: Oh, crap.
JA: …that you bring to a grand jury, do you, do not result in indictments?
HH: Lynne, are you there? No, bad cell phone. She dropped again. Doggone it, because that's a great question, Jonathan. I would love to have that answered. And I don't know who else is a prosecutor here. Nancy, are you a prosecutor?
Nancy: Hello?
HH: Are you a prosecutor, Nancy?
Nancy: No, I'm not.
HH: Okay, I'm trying to just talk to prosecutors. Thanks for the call. I'm going to keep Jonathan over if he'll stay. Dave in Oregon, are you a prosecutor?
Dave: No, sorry, Hugh, but legal education. And the critical legal thinking that needs to be addressed in this subject, I think it'll explain where Jonathan's coming from, and why the confusion, if you've got a minute.
HH: Take 30 seconds, and then I'm going to a break.
Dave: Yeah, it's just this simple, Hugh. You as a law professor see criminal law as requiring two elements – act and state of mind. The progressives see two requirements. First is race, white versus black…
HH: No, that's actually not what's going on here. I think what's going on here, and I'll ask Jonathan to say. Lynne is back on line 1, Jonathan. I want her to answer your question. I hope you can stick with us.
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HH: And Lynne, the prosecutor, with the bad cell phone. Have you pulled over, Lynne?
Lynne: I did.
HH: All right, now let's go back to the obligation you have to provide exonerating evidence. But first, Jonathan has a question for you. Jonathan?
JA: I'm just wondering, Lynne, in what percentage of cases that you bring before the grand jury, and recommend indictment, is no indictment offered?
Lynne: What percentage of no indictments?
JA: Yes.
Lynne: Typically, it's not very probable, because we're not going to bring an indictment, we're not going to bring a case before a grand jury typically unless we believe there's probable cause to actually go forward with a jury trial…
JA: Right.
Lynne: …because we, and let me finish, because we think there's going to be a conviction. However, there are certainly cases where we as prosecutors do not believe there's enough evidence to obtain a conviction. However, the community may have a different opinion of the case, and we want to put it in front of the grand jury and let them make the call. That's when we don't get an indictment. And that is not the, that's the more rare event.
HH: Now Lynne, my question is…
JA: Lynne, how rare is that? That's what we're discussing. What percentage of cases fall into that category, that latter category that you just described?
Lynne: I would say less than 5%.
JA: Yeah, that's my point.
HH: Well, that's my point, too. This is very rare…
JA: Extraordinarily rare. Extraordinarily rare.
HH: But it's a very rare proceeding, but for those proceedings in which it happens, the outcome is not rare.
HH: Lynne, I'd like to ask you…
JA: So Lynne, can I ask you another question, because it's great to have her, to have a prosecutor on the line. I'd love to ask her…
HH: Oh, I've got, in fact, Jonathan, I've got three prosecutors lined up as long as you'll stick with me.
JA: Yeah.
HH: I'll keep them going. But let's go back and forth with questions. Lynne, my question is how often do defense counsel allow their clients to appear in front of grand juries?
Lynne: Okay, there's two aspects to that answer. And the first aspect is very rarely does the defense know that a grand jury is being convened for an indictment, because typically, grand juries are being done in cases where it's secret testimony. It's something where perhaps you've got Mexican drug cartels involved, and it's pretty, and witnesses put the witnesses in danger. So it's typically a secret proceeding. The second question, the defense attorney knows that we are going before the grand jury, it is exceedingly rare. I would bet my house that 99.9% of the time, the defense attorney is never going to proffer their defendant to come in and testify. I've taken to jury trial over 200 jury trials. I can tell you the number of times that a criminal defendant has gone up and testified in a jury trial is probably less than 10% of all those jury trials. The vast majority of the time, they don't do it. And they're not going to do it at the grand jury level, because that is, that's the least strenuous, it's the time that the prosecutor has the most ability to do what they want to do in the courtroom.
JA: Right.
Lynne: So they're not going to do it. It leaves the client way, way, way too open for exposure.
JA: Right.
HH: Your turn, Jonathan.
JA: No, we all agree on that. But let me ask you this, Lynne: So the trial, if I'm not mistaken, is the proper place to weigh the conflicting evidence.
Lynne: That's completely wrong.
JA: That's what a trial is for. Is that right?
Lynne: Completely false. And a grand jury, it's totally different than a preliminary hearing. At a grand jury, I am obligated by law to bring in the evidence that's beneficial to the defendant. If I don't do that, I would be fired, I would be rightly accused of misconduct. The appellate courts would find me in…
JA: You're talking about at a hearing? Or you're talking about in cases where you're recommending an indictment and will get an indictment…
Lynne: Absolutely.
JA: You are bringing, you are digging deep and finding anything that could possibly be exculpatory for the defendant?
Lynne: Absolutely. We are obligated by law to bring in anything that's exculpatory to the defendant. But our primary goal is to see that the right thing is done. And sometimes…
JA: But most evidence hasn't been collected at that point, because no witnesses have been heard from in court, you know, and so the evidence is very limited. And you know, what I've heard from prosecutors and defense attorneys in the last, you know, day is that a trial is where the evidence, which is accumulating over time, as witnesses come in to testify in the trial, that's where you know…
HH: Okay, 30 seconds to Lynne, and then I've got to go break, and I'll get another prosecutor. Go, Lynne.
Lynne: Okay, there isn't going, absolutely a great opportunity…
JA: …for jurors to hear the evidence.
Lynne: …because you have a criminal…
JA: Involuntary manslaughter?
Lynne: Just a minute, Mr. Alter, there actually is a greater opportunity at a criminal trial, because you have a lot more time, and the defense attorney has an opportunity to cross-examine.
JA: Right.
Lynne: But that's different than getting an indictment. And indictment…
JA: Right, so getting an indictment, are you saying there was no probable cause for involuntary manslaughter in this case?
Lynne: There never, this could be a first, a second or a vol, but this case could never be involuntary manslaughter. That requires that someone dies in the course of a misdemeanor, or that they're engaged in unlawful activity such as unlawful to enter. This could never be invol.
HH: I'll be right back with more prosecutors and Jonathan Alter. Thank you, Lynne.
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HH: Our prosecutor fell off there, the one I had up behind Lynne, Jonathan, so I'm going to ask you this question. This is a very sincere question. People of the left right now have an opportunity to really speak into this about justice. I believe justice was done here. I believe a lot of terrible commentary is out there. Has anything you've heard made you rethink maybe your conclusions about what was going on in Ferguson?
JA: Yeah, I mean, I think that, I don't know, or pretend to know what went on. And I thought that Officer Wilson's interview tonight with George Stephanopoulos was important to watch. And I thought he made a good case for himself. But that's what trials are for. And you know, the question is not whether he's guilty or not guilty. I don't know. And I don't think anybody should assume that they know. But that's not the standard for an indictment.
HH: But Jonathan, my question is you don't want people, if there's no evidence of probable cause, you don't want them put on trial, do you?
JA: No, there is evidence for probable cause. I mean, probable cause is a really easy standard.
HH: Actually, but you have to reach it.
JA: It's ordinary an easy standard. I mean, reaching it in this case, you know, there's enough prima facie evidence for probable cause for involuntary manslaughter. Now I know that Lynne the prosecutor was scoffing at involuntary manslaughter. But the prosecutor in this case, McCullough, offered that as one of the options for the grand jury. So clearly under Missouri law, involuntary manslaughter is something that the grand jury should have considered.
HH: But if 12 people….
JA: I mean, 12 shots were fired…
HH: And I don't know if it was a 9-3 vote…
JA: 12 shots were fired after, you know, it was pretty clear that he didn't have a weapon, or Brown would have used it, according, you know, presumably, if he was as terrifying as you know, as Wilson told Stephanopoulos, he would have drawn his weapon at some point during this confrontation. He goes as far as 130 feet away.
HH: But Jonathan, those are facts. Let me ask you this…
JA: According to some witnesses.
HH: If there are 12 people on that grand jury. If none of them believe there was probable cause, do you want them to indict him anyway?
JA: No, no. But the question is not whether you know, they should have at sea amid luminous documents and conflicting evidence, that they should have been able to figure this out. That's what prosecutors are for. They tell the grand jury what to do. Remember the old saw, you can indict a ham sandwich.
HH: But what Lynne was saying…
JA: And prosecutors get an indictment that he wants.
HH: What Lynne was saying, and what my…
JA: And the question is whether the…
HH: What Lynne was saying and what my prosecutor told me today…
JA: ….prosecutor, Hugh…
HH: …is that prosecutors when they don't believe there's probable cause, will nevertheless often go to a grand jury in order to show the public that there wasn't probable cause.
JA: Okay, so the question here, Hugh, is why did these prosecutors, if they were treating, you know, a police officer like a citizen, and he is a citizen, and he doesn't deserve any special treatment in the eyes of the law because he wears a badge. Now there, it's true that there are laws in terms of lethal force and when a police officer can use them, use it, which need to be considered. But you know, in the eyes of the law, he is equal to his fellow citizens. And you have to conclude here that prosecutors who work, understandably hand in glove in the public interest with police officers every day, were not judging whether to bring an indictment in a neutral way.
HH: Jonathan, actually, I think you've got this exactly wrong.
JA: And then…
HH: In fact, I think he was put under a heavier burden because he is a police officer. I do not believe if he had…
JA: Oh, no, come on. 12 shots fired? No return fire? Please.
HH: Let me finish for a second. Let me just finish for the audience purposes.
JA: Please, please.
HH: It's because, what was explained to me earlier today is that when district attorneys come to the conclusion that police officers are not guilty of a crime, they will nevertheless take it to a grand jury to prove to the community that he was not guilty of a crime to avoid the accusation you just made of collusion between prosecutors and officers, and that in fact it's harder for police officers to avoid indictment, because they have to go through the process twice.
JA: Hugh, what you're just, to avoid indictment, they're almost never indicted. I mean, what you're talking about is ridiculous.
HH: No, actually, it's not.
JA: To avoid indictment? When's the last time a police officer was indicted for shooting somebody and avoiding arrest or…
HH: Actually, police officers were indicted in Fullerton this past year.
JA: Hugh…
HH: Police officers were indicted in Fullerton this past year for the murder of a schizophrenic man at a bus stop where he was beaten to death.
JA: Yeah, it's extraordinarily, it's extraordinarily rare. Extraordinarily rare.
HH: It isn't actually. It's extraordinarily rare that a police officer shoots someone without probable cause. That's what they do, Jonathan. I mean, this is why I think the left's narrative here of trying to turn police officers into bad guys is so bad for the country.
JA: I'm not trying to turn, I'm not trying to turn police officers into bad guys. That's ridiculous. And by the way, that's not consistent with what I've been writing for 25 years. It's, you do, you have to weigh, if you're approaching this in a neutral way, which is the way the prosecutors should have, you have to weigh a lot of admittedly conflicting eyewitness testimony, but nonetheless eyewitness testimony against the officer's testimony. The proper place to do that is a courtroom in a trial.
HH: No, Jonathan, that's just not true.
JA: Well, no that is true, because all of that eyewitness testimony is evidence. It is evidence.
HH: But Jonathan, that's why they have grand juries and probable cause hearings.
JA: No.
HH: If there isn't probable cause, putting someone through a trial when there isn't probable cause is a horrible system.
JA: Probable…
HH: That's a miscarriage.
JA: The probable, all that you need to do to meet the probable cause standard is believe that there is a 50.1% chance that some of those eyewitnesses are telling the truth, not that you believe they're definitely telling the truth, but just a 50.1% chance that one of those eyewitnesses is telling the truth.
HH: That's not true.
JA: That's probable cause.
HH: Probable cause hearing takes all of the evidence…
JA: That's probable cause.
HH: …and no, it's not one, it's not one witness…
JA: That's all you need.
HH: …overriding all the other witnesses.
JA: None of the…not weighing all the conflicting testimony. That's for a courtroom.
HH: No, Jonathan, you're just, you're simply wrong about this. That's what a grand jury proceeding is.
JA: No, you're wrong. Look, neither of us are prosecutors or defense attorneys.
HH: No, but I have been in the Department of Justice, and I do teach Constitutional Law.
JA: I'm not even a lawyer. I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not going to pretend…
HH: And I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
JA: …I'm an expert. I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert on this. All I'm telling you is I interviewed prosecutors and defense attorneys, and they say you're wrong.
HH: Okay, we'll be right back. One more segment with Jonathan. If a prosecutor calls, I'll let them correct him for the last time. But that's simply not true that it's about one witness account, 50%. That's not the case.
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HH: Jonathan Alter has been my very gracious guest from the Daily Beast. He's a man of the left. You can follow him on Twitter, @jonathanalter. Jonathan, I want to give you the last three minutes uninterrupted to make your case why you think a miscarriage of justice has happened in Ferguson.
JA: So first of all, let me just, in order to address this concern that you have that I'm anti-police or whatever, it's completely wrong. I just last week got off a jury in Newark where it was the word of a police officer against a defendant, and we went easily for the police officer's version of events, okay? But that's what a trial is for, all right? What a grand jury is for is to determine whether there is probable cause. Probable cause is not a preponderance of the evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. It's a very specific and very low legal threshold to get over. And it's simply whether there's probable cause to weigh the competing version of events, to weigh the eyewitness testimony against the defendant's testimony, and try to figure out what the truth is, which is what a trial is for, not a grand jury. A grand jury is not an effort to find out what the truth is. It's an effort to find out whether there is probable cause to have that examination of what the truth is. And so you know, that's our system. So the reason this was a miscarriage is on its face, there was probable cause not of first degree murder, but probable cause that you know, of, as the prosecutor suggested as an option, involuntary manslaughter in this case. So you know, something went terribly wrong that night. 12 shots were fired without any return fire, without the defendant and victim having a weapon. And on its face, that suggests we needed more fact-finding, which is what a court of law and a trial is for, to get to the truth.
HH: All right, Jonathan, we disagree profoundly, but I really appreciate you coming on and taking the callers, and taking the input from the other side. I hope you'll come to the different conclusion. I suspect you'll hear on Twitter from a lot of prosecutors about what probable cause is and the actual standard. But I'm very glad you, unlike a lot of your colleagues on the left, are open to the conversation, because honestly, not many of them want to have this conversation with prosecutors. And I really do think the media, I haven't been watching MSNBC. CNN has just got some of the flakiest people, and Van Jones should just be banned. I mean, the idea that you have to call the defendant, or the victim's family at the same time you release, that was incendiary last night. It was just wrong.
JA: Yeah, that's not true. And the prosecutor was right that these proceedings are in secret. So a lot of times, the reason that the defendant doesn't testify is because they don't even know that the prosecutor is gathering evidence.
HH: Thank you so much, Jonathan. We'll talk soon.
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Continuing with my theme week of highlighting middle grade science fiction, today I'm recommending a charming self-published book that feels like a classic SF adventure only updated for today. In other words, awesome. Noah Zarc (Mammoth Trouble) by D. Robert Pease is a rollicking space adventure that jumps through time with the Zarc family as they try to save animals (yes,… Read More
Recommended Book: Rip Tide by Kat Falls
I'm continuing my spotlight of middle grade science fiction with this book recommendation, which is also part of the lovely Christina Lee's Kick B*tt 2011 Debut Author Spotlight Although here I am, breaking the rules again, because while Rip Tide came out in 2011, the debut first book (Dark Life) came out last year. But Rip Tide is AWESOME, which… Read More
Meeting a Giant
My library put on a local author event over the weekend. Which is all kinds of awesome on their part, not least because they invited me to come sign books: I always love signing books and all the friends and family that come out to support me! But the most amazing part of this event was my chance to meet… Read More
Random Acts of Publicity: Sequels I Crave
I'm squeaking in on the Random Acts of Publicity meme put together by Darcy Pattinson and championed by the lovely Elana Johnson. We're supposed to BLLuRT (Blog, Link, Like, Review, Talk) about our favorite books, but I'm putting a twist in and talking about all the sequels that have recently landed on my Nook and bookshelf, waiting to be read. Series are all… Read More
Meet Rick Daley, Author of The Man in the Cinder Clouds
On Monday, I recommended a great new middle grade book, The Man in the Cinder Clouds, and today we have author Rick Daley as a guest to talk about the path that The Man in the Cinder Clouds took to publication. In previous Notes from the E-Revolution, we talked about how authors these days were mixing it up, combining self and… Read More
Recommended Book: The Man in the Cinder Clouds
If middle grade e-books are the next big thing, Rick Daley is right on time. The Man in the Cinder Clouds, Rick Daley's delightful Christmas Tale, is a story within a story within a story. I love how Rick weaves these three plots together, each dependent on the other, nested like Christmas Dolls. In the first, we follow Jason to the… Read More
Notes from the E-Revolution
In the last 9 – 18 months, the publishing world has been turned on its ear – e-readers are on the rise, e-books are outselling paper books, Borders is closing. These are seismic shifts. It feels like vertigo every time I open my browser. Notes from the E-Revolution is a new semi-regular feature on the blog (on Fridays),where I'll be… Read More
Recommended Book: C++ Programming for Kids
Worm Burner, age 10 and resident Tech Support, asked if I would teach him C++ this summer. Sure, no problem. Except that the last time I used C++ was during my Ph.D. dissertation and my summer plans did not include hours in front of the terminal re-learning how to program. Normally, I'm all about fiction, but today I want to… Read More
Ink Spells Talks with Jacqueline Houtman, Author of The Reinvention of Edison Thomas
Today, I'm interviewing Jacqueline Houtman and giving away a copy of her book The Reinvention of Edison Thomas. Jacqueline stopped by Ink Spells back in January, when we were discussing Point of View in Kidlit, and shared her insights on using big words in middle grade books: Excellent post. Middle grade is not about vocabulary (and EDDY is a perfect… Read More
Ink Spells talks The Familiars
The moment I saw this book, I knew my youngest son, Mighty Mite, would love it. Magic, animals, a cat on the cover … it just doesn't get better than that in 7 year old land. The Familiars, by Adam Jay Epstein and Andrew Jacobson, is an adorable story about three animal familiars and their loyals, the young wizards they… Read More
Hooking Kids on Science
When I was a kid – the age that I now write for – I was a science fiction addict. This was before the days of Harry Potter and YA, and most of my SF buzz came in the form of adult SF novels. Which is ironic, partly because I run a blog concerned about "age appropriate" reading material for… Read More
Ink Spells talks Dogsled Dreams
Dogsled Dreams is a debut novel by Terry Lynn Johnson about a girl who dreams of racing her dogs in the frozen north. This middle grade novel is fast-paced, stuffed full of doggy goodness and racing lingo, and charmed the anorak off me from the very first page. Johnson has created a story that will appeal equally to 7-year-old boys… Read More
Ink Spells talks London Deep
London Deep by Robin Price and Paul McGrory is story about a girl in a future where London is under water from global warming, and the APD (adult police) and YPD (youth police) compete to keep the peace in their watery new world. I was intrigued when the publisher (Mogzilla, U.K.) offered to send me a review copy. London Deep is half-novella, half-graphic… Read More
A Book for the Holidays
I squirrel away our Christmas books every year, so they are fresh when they come out again. I even hide the Christmas sheet music. (I hid it so well last year, that we have yet to find it.) We save Twas the Night Before Christmas until the Eve itself, but there are plenty of books that get read and re-read… Read More
Gifting Books to Kids – Part 2
As I mentioned in Part 1, there are many gift guides for books this time of year (here's another). But it can help to know what kind of kid a book will appeal to. In Part 1, we looked at the The Young Science Geek, The Budding Military Strategist, and the Soft Hearted Free Thinker. Now see if you know… Read More
Gifting Books to Kids – Part 1
I love giving books to kids. Honestly, I love giving books to anyone that has a chance of actually reading the book, and many who don't. This was something I did long before I saw it as my personal contribution toward keeping the publishing industry afloat. You can find plenty of Book Gift Guides for preschoolers, kids and teens for the… Read More
Harry Potter: Growing from Middle Grade to Young Teens
Debbie Curan posed an excellent question regarding books for Young Teens: How would you handle a series – like HP – where the MC grows older and the series becomes much darker? Starts off as MG then grows up – HP is in the MG section of the bookstore, but the later books I won't let my guys near until… Read More
Ink Spells talks Behemoth
Behemoth, by Scott Westerfeld, is even more brilliant than the first book, Leviathan. There. I said it. I'm an unabashed Westerfeld fan, but I seriously believe the second book in this series outdoes the first, partly because this trilogy is smartly unfolding, and partly because we are already entrenched in Westerfeld's world of Darwinists vs. Clankers, a rich alternate version… Read More
Ink Spells talks The Dark Deeps
The Dark Deeps, by Arthur Slade, is a great steampunk adventure appropriate for the new category Ink Spells will be reviewing: young teens ages 12-14. The Dark Deeps is the second book in The Hunchback Assignments series, featuring Modo, a hunchback who can shift his features to serve as a spy for the Permanent Association in defense of Victorian Britain,… Read More
Ink Spells talks The Brimstone Key
The Brimstone Key by Derek Benz and J.S. Lewis is the first book of a new Grey Griffins series called The Clockwork Chronicles. This is the second middle grade steampunk book that I've read (Leviathan being the first), but The Brimstone Key doesn't take place in a mythical past, but rather in an altered-present version of Avalon, Minnesota. This small town is… Read More
Ink Spells talks Justin Case: School, Drool and other Daily Disasters
September 14, Tuesday Do you have a child who worries? I do. He's been worrying since he was two. I worry that his worrying will keep him from having fun, playing with other kids, and trying out for the swim team. I think it's contagious. I talked before about Rachel Vail's adorable book Justin Case: School, Drool and other Daily Disasters,… Read More
Science Fiction is Dead! Long Live Science Fiction!
From an awesome Human-Like Robots article I've talked before about the dearth of science fiction in kidlit, and the demise of adult science fiction has been long hailed. Is it because the pace of technology has sprinted past our wildest imaginations? That authors fear SF books that will be out-of-date before they go to print? Or are SF books (rightly or… Read More
Ink Spells talks The Red Pyramid
Wow, people! Over the holiday weekend, Ink Spells sneaked past 100 followers!! Very cool. I will have to ponder some way to celebrate this. Possibly another book giveaway? Or a true contest this time? Hmm … I'll get back to you on that. Meanwhile … The Red Pyramid!! This is the first book of a new series by the crazy-popular… Read More
Ink Spells talks The Classics
A RL friend asked me whether Gone With the Wind would be suitable for her advanced-reading 10 year old. I pointed her to some reviews, but basically said that it was a teen book due to content, and it might be best to wait until she was a teen, or read it with her to help her process the sexual… Read More
Ink Spells talks about How to Train Your Dragon
Playing laser tag with your three munchkins on Mother's Day = awesome. Just in case you were wondering. Mighty Mite and I finished How to Train Your Dragon – the book, not the movie – this weekend. Now the book is never the same as the movie, but this is the first time I've found a book where the story… Read More
Ink Spells talks about How to Talk To Girls
I talked before about seeing this slim little tome and buying it immediately, intrigued by the young author and the overpowering cuteness of the contents inside: "If you want to start a conversation with a girl, first you have to say something like "hi." If she says "hi" back, you are off to a good start." "If you are in elementary… Read More
Ink Spells talks Only You Can Save Mankind
Thanks to Monty Python, Harry Potter, and several attractive, male, British actors who shall remain nameless . . . (I'm just sayin') . . . AND pretty much the entirety of World War II, I am a confirmed anglophile. So, when Terry Pratchett opens Only You Can Save Mankind with "a boy named Johnny Maxwell. He's English, but then, no… Read More
Ink Spells talks Ruins of Gorlan
Today we have a guest review! My lovely blogger friend Rhonda has graciously agreed to give us a recap of The Ruins of Gorlan, from The Ranger's Apprentice series by John Flanagan. Speaking of covers, this one creeps me out in a Darth Sidious and his lurking pet monster kind of way. In other words, awesome. RL: 7.0 CSM: n/a… Read More
Ink Spells talks The City of Ember
Jeanne Duprau's The City of Ember, about a post-apocalyptic world filled with hope and innocence, is a story after my own heart. I had actually seen the movie first, which usually would make reading the book a whole lot less attractive to me. However, I was entranced by the movie, with our young heroes Lina and Doon trying to find their way… Read More
C is for Chemistry
Many of the books I have reviewed so far are fiction, and it is indeed difficult to find fiction with a high reading level that will still be comprehensible to young readers. Then again, you could just offer books about how to blow stuff up. I stumbled across this post, which suggests some very challenging reads. In particular, I was drawn to… Read More
Ink Spells talks The Lightning Thief
The Lightning Thief is a rip-roaring hero quest, with one sassy pants Percy Jackson our reluctant hero of the day. The Lightning Thief is Book One of The Olympians series (there are 5 books) and is crammed full of monsters, Greek gods (they're still around, hanging out in New York) and half-blood heroes, the oft-neglected sons and daughters sired by… Read More
Ink Spells talks The Frog Scientist
I recently plugged The Frog Scientist, by Pamela S. Turner, on my list of holiday rec's, but I wanted to do a proper review on this wonderful non-fiction book that reads like a story. The book follows scientist Tyrone Hayes and his experiments as he attempts to discover why frogs all over the world are disappearing. With over a hundred species… Read More
Ink Spells talks 100 Cupboards
RL: 4.2 CSM: 10+ Rating: PG Content: Peril of characters 100 Cupboards, by N.D. Wilson is a charming story about a boy who finds a magical cupboard in his room, hidden behind a wall, where each small door leads to somewhere . . . else. This is also a story about twelve year old Henry breaking away from his very overprotective… Read More
Ink Spells talks Tom Swift
My son, Dark Omen, started reading Tom Swift when he was six. We had several of the stories left over from Dad's youth, the only books he read as a child, according to him. Tom was a swashbuckling boy-genius inventor who, along with his wealthy family, owned Swift Enterprises and had access to all kinds of gadgets, labs, and explosive… Read More
Dark Omen talks Septimus Heap
Today, we have a guest blogger! Dark Omen (aka my 11 year old son) will be reviewing Book 2, Flyte, of the Septimus Heap series, by Angie Sage. Flyte: What to Look Out For by Dark Omen Flyte, the second book in the Septimus Heap series by Angie Sage is a good story. It has clearly defined good and evil… Read More
The 10 Greatest . . . (Fill In the Blank)
In my search for those literary gems at the higher reading levels for our advanced readers, I stumbled across The 10 Greatest . . . series. These are non-fiction books, but there's one for just about any interest your kids may have, AND they have fairly challenging reading levels. Short bursts of interesting subject matter, at reading levels that will… Read More
Ink Spells talks Savvy
RL: 6.0 CSM: 9+ Rating: PG-13 Content: Puppy love, chaste kiss, drunk adult Savvy, by Ingrid Law, is a charming tale chock-full of down-home-isms that give a feel for the Nebranska-Arkansas setting of this coming-of-age story. Mibs, a twelve year old girl about to turn thirteen and get her very own savvy, tells the story of the misadventures of her and… Read More
Ink Spells and A Series of Unfortunate Events
I love, nay adore, the Lemony Snicket series. I've read the books, twice with two different kids, met the author (in character, as Mr. Snicket), and even heard him sing. And play the mandolin, which in this case means a small musical instrument with a pear-shaped body and a fretted neck. RL: 6.3-6.7 CSM: 9+ Rating: PG Content: Dark humor,… Read More
Ink Spells talks Shadow Children
CSM: 9+ RL: 4.8 – 5.6 Rating: PG Content: Death of a major character, peril, dark themes Margaret Haddix is the talented author of many children's books, bringing a compelling voice to complex, and sometimes dark, themes. The Shadow Children series is one of those thought-provoking reads that appeal more to older tweens (ages 9-12). The setting is a dystopian future world where poverty… Read More
Ink Spells talks with Great Books for Kids
My new blogging friend, Mary Ann Scheuer over at Great Kid Books, has a lot of, well, great books for kids that she has reviewed. I have not read these books, but she has done a fabulous job of reviewing them, and I've added some information about reading levels and ratings where appropriate. The Tree That Time Built – Poetry… Read More
Ink Spells talks THE SOFTWIRE
I love Science Fiction (SF). I love it with a passion that really defies reason, and stops just short of dressing up and being one of the wacky fun people that go to the conventions. I've read SF since I was an advanced reading child myself, and I hope to review some of the classic SF tomes in upcoming blogs…. Read More
Ink Spells talks THINGS NOT SEEN
RL: 4.5 CSM: 10+ Rating: PG Content: Puppy Love THINGS NOT SEEN by Andrew Clements is a sweet book about a boy who wakes up invisible. The reading level on this book is not likely to be challenging, even to younger readers (8-10). The protagonist is a sassy teen and there is some very innocent puppy love as… Read More
Ink Spells talks ARTEMIS FOWL
RL: 5.0 CSM: N/A Rating: G Content: Suitable for 8+ ARTEMIS FOWL is a fast paced book, perfect for kids who like their Faeries souped up with jet powered fairy-wing packs and Trolls extra-large sized. While I've only read the first book in the series, eldest son loves the rest of the books and actively hunts down anything… Read More
Ink Spells Talks FRINDLE
RL: 5.4 CSM: 9+ Rating: G Content: Suitable for all ages FRINDLE by Andrew Clements is a great example Book Candy – a great, simple read. FRINDLE won't likely challenge your children's reading or comprehension – its clear, clean prose makes it a very accessible read. However, this fantastic little story about a boy who is… Read More
Ink Spells Talks HARRY POTTER
The most popular children's books. Ever. The boy wizard who charmed the world. Hardly needs recommending, right? J.K. Rowling has created an amazing world and my boys love romping through her playground. But the series is a great example of books that get more mature as you go through. For this blog, I dug out my ragged cheat sheet on… Read More


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I think it was hardest on me. My stomach was in knots. I kept wondering what would happen when J and M met for the first time? would they like each other. would it be rocky. would we all feel really uncomfortable. Truth is since this is all so new to me, I am having to fly with things. and for me that can be hard. I like to "know" to "understand" things. I feel more comfortable when there are not a lot of possible outcomes. Don't get me wrong I like excitement how could I not and be in a Poly relationship. but whenever I am stressed I feel it in my gut. Also it has not escaped me that I was going to be meeting with two men. Men who have done a great amount of work on learning to feel there feelings but lets face it the society sets up big road blocks for men feeling. I think it could have been easier for me if I was with a man and a woman just because the language barrier might be less apparent. M got out of the car and I felt that familiar queezy shakiness in my chest. I wanted to run up and kiss him right there but as we where in a public spot where I know lots of people and they all know I am married, I held back. but only until we where inside my studio. after spending a little while together we went to meet J at the restaurant. the first hand shake was awkward for me and I think for them as well. I will not regale you all with the full events of the evening but just say, we all talked about fairly mundane first time meeting someone new things. I noticed right off that they where smiling and sharing jokes. One of the things that I had asked was that I have a word if they started to tease me to much. Something that both of them are apt to do. that went really well and I was not the only one who used our word. I think this might be something to consider for other things as well. After dinner we came back to our house (me and J's) and all spent some time talking more. I had already talked about the fact that I wanted to spend the night with M, as I get time with him much less than with J. We talked about this a lot with people having some feelings but the funny thing was is was not really what they where feeling but worry about the others in the group. I know that is what happens when you have a lot of caring people. I also think it will be important for us to not do this to often as we really can only say how we are feeling and any attempt at talking for others is pointless. I hardly slept just thought a lot and actually ended up feeling like I was getting sick. There is such terror for me about living my truth and wanting something so strongly. It brings up feelings of direness. that I will loose what is happening. Again useless behavior. The next day was so sweet J made breakfast for us all and I packed a picknik lunch. then we went on a tour of the area for M. the Ocean was beautiful and we goofed around in the car and sang cheesy songs. I was so happy. both of my guys together. The thing that was hardest for me was not knowing how much I could touch them. would one feel like I was touching the other to much or not enough. I am such a snuggler and I did feel a bit like the distance was making it hard for me to stay connected. the best part of the whole time was later in the coffee shop when I stepped away for a good chunk of time and they REALLY talked. That was the best part for me. That they liked and trusted one another and they felt I was worth it. for them to go for the hard conversations. Both of these men are doting and loving in my direction most of the time and I feel so blessed to have such wonderful men in my life. when M had to leave I was so sad and wanted to have him stay forever. They both said how nice it was to meet and later to me they both shared how much they liked the other. We had fanciful talks of living together and sharing a house. This is my idea of heaven. M still wants to have a primary and I am supporting him in this. My only want for them both is happiness. I don't ever want to keep them from living there lives to the fullest potential. I hope I am able to be with them both as they do. mostly this update is to get it out and have the option of tracking my thoughts as I go. Please share if you want to. I would like to not have you share in a construct of wishing for what I have. I think we all can have this it just takes hard work and communication and love.
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Doberman Pinscher Breed Clubs
Doberman Pinscher Clubs in Canada
Doberman Pinscher Clubs in the U.S.:
- The Doberman Pinscher Club of America (DPCA)
The only National Doberman Breed Club which is recognized and sanctioned by the American Kennel Club.
- List of DPCA Chapter Clubs
- The United Doberman Club (UDC)
The UDC is a member club of the American Working Dog Federation. Its members are Doberman fanciers from around the world who are dedicated to preserving and protecting the Doberman and its heritage as a Working Dog.
Doberman Pinscher Clubs from Around the World
- Doberman Club of NSW (Australia)
- Österreichischer Dobermannklub (Austria)
- Belgische Dobermann Club Belge (Belgium)
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Monday, July 23, 2007
Story Problem
I always used to have this hatred of "story problems." (A contemporary example from www.Microsoft/education: "Sami has twice as many CDs as Maria. Jamal's CD collection is one-and-a-half times the size of Sami's and three times as big as Maria's. If Maria could load her 6-CD changer three times without repeating, how many CDs does Jamal have?") I was offended that anyone would think of the language and scenario in the story problem as resembling a story, or would imagine that they were entertaining. They weren't just unentertaining, they were positively additionally painful. I don't think I believed that adults thought they were storylike; just that they thought there was some chance we would be entertained by any thing, in the same way that they bought children food they themselves would never eat. But I really couldn't get my mind around how anyone could use words and names in that way--who could stand to write the story problem, thousands of story problems?--let alone in the name of the "story." A little later, I tried to express my objection to painters' using the human figure when they clearly only intended something to balance the composition of the painting. I didn't like it when it was generic--which was also a problem with proverbs--or transparently instrumental. I don't mind this effect now in someone like Whistler, who may be making a Giacometti-like point about fragility or inconsequence. In fact I love this effect. I don't think I would've minded in 1974 either if I had felt that what was being expressed was "the nothingness of human affairs" (Paul de Man). That is a humane point; it was the not noticing or ever thinking about the fact that the figure was supposed to be a person that bothered me, which is what adults always conveniently fail to notice about children, especially their own children, whom they put there because there was an empty space . . . .
Image: James Abbott McNeill Whistler, Falling Rocket, 1875 (detail)
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- orpheusfx said...
I really like this! It's like a story, but also like a poem. It moves in many directions yet flows wonderfully towards that heartbreaking turn at the end.
Wish my math problems were something like this, without a singular answer.
- July 24, 2007 at 6:14 AM
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Finish That Thought #26 (Judge's Comments)
Prompt: [I] thought pegasi were tough to ride until the Army got their first shipment of wyverns.
Prompt: [I] thought pegasi were tough to ride until the Army got their first shipment of wyverns.
Special Challenges: Make the protagonist non-human; include a form of the word resolution or resolve
The character(s) and plot included in this piece belong to my novel I am currently writing. They are the property of my co-authors and myself.
October 7, 1916
I thought pegasi were tough to ride until the Army got their first shipment of wyverns. They passed the box onto me, of course, and insisted I poke and prod until I uncover their secrets. Unlike the pegasi, the wyverns have shape and move. Their black coats ooze and wriggle inside their glass jars as if they are trying to climb out. With a pair of electrical probes, I was able to mount one for 3 seconds.
Ares paused mid-sentence, a slight smirk teasing the corner of his lips. 'The Army will love decoding this entry,' he thought to himself. The Army is what he called his employer, a spindly man of mediocre height with a dusting of silver atop his round head, and his demonic cult. Pegasi was a nickname for the first ethereal substance he had been given to study in his lab. Wyvern alluded to this new element the Army had sent his way to analyze. It was Ares' way since his imprisonment to jot down discoveries in code based off of medieval alchemy phrases. Not that he was a prisoner of the Army, oh no. Ares had locked himself away within his alchemy lab, deep in the recesses of the old manor on 8th Street. It wasn't wise to go out, especially after faking his death only a few months before.
The smirk finally eased itself onto his thin lips. Oh how everyone had wept at his funeral. Even the sky had shed tears and bellowed its grief. Little did they know he was alive and well, chasing his dream of immortality with his new-found freedom. His pen dropped to the lined paper again and Ares continued to write.
I suspect these wyvern are of similar build to the pegasi, but whether or not they hold the key to the fountain, I do not know. They suggest a deeper mystery and magic than their counterparts. Since it took me a fortnight to tap into the power of the pegasi, I gather it will take me thrice as long to master the wyvern. However, I am resolved to perfect my formula and succeed in extracting the necessary ingredients for the second phase of transformation.
Running his tongue along a sharply pointed fang, Ares contemplated what to write next. The potion he concocted from the pegasi had stripped him of his humanity. Ares glanced at his cracked reflection in the cobwebbed baroque mirror hanging on the wall across from his mahogany desk. He was a shadow of his former self, almost vampiric in appearance except for the elongated ears. A few more answers, nay, one more discovery, and he would unleash the power to be able to transform his ghostly body into human flesh like the Army could. But what price was he willing to pay for immortality? If the potion of the pegasi had sold his body, would a wyvern potion sell his soul?


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Margaret Dodd lives at Mimili Community on the APY Lands. Margaret's country is associated with Ted's Bore, near Sandy Bore (where she was born), about 20 kilometres from the Mimili Community.
Margaret has been creating beautiful baskets for Tjanpi for many years. Margaret's artworks have a distinctive aesthetic – colourful striped vessels woven in a loose, organic style. Her daughter Sheena Dodd is also a celebrated weaver, renowned for her stunning sculptures – in particular, her birds.


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It's Halloween weekend and for many high school football teams it's time to step out of the shadows and see if they are going to the playoffs or not. Whether or not their tricks or treats in store for area coaches remains to be seen.
While the playoffs are already rolling in Indiana and locked up in Kentucky, there is plenty of drama unfolding in Ohio.
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Esther Fieldgrass, fabulous owner of EF Medispa, will be opening a luxurious lingerie boutique called Petits Bisous on 187 Kings Road next spring, but in the mean time, before the builders come in and the hoarding goes up, she asked me to put my Pop Art Bottoms in the window as she is a big fan of them (hand painted body art images), and incorporate some art around them with the logo. So i painted two ornate frames around them and hand painted the logo and wording with gold paint. The whole thing took 2 days, although i mis-predicted only one day, but it was so cold and misty that the paint wouldn't dry for other layers to be added. I used acrylic paint, and the frame was done in my favourite brand, Golden Acrylics from Jackson's Art at Putney Bridge (mega helpful art shop with unbeatable prices!). I have attached the making of the window through a series of photographs with the final fabulous out come. So enjoy! I have been told that it is a show stopper and everyone stops to look at read it and take pictures, so job done!:)
using a chinagraph pencil to draw directly onto glass
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I had to paint each window, although identical, with different technique as the window painter came late to paint the window so i had to work around him. This window had a yellow base under the gold paint. One layer of paint is not enough for coverage. Waiting for the paint to dry in cold very misty conditions, did not help.
And here is the final window! lovely jubbly: the boutique will be called Petits Bisous www.petitsbisous.com
My bottoms: Monsoon Kwila Indigo Foil and Golden Wrapper 2010, limited edition pieces, where i have hand painted the gold stencil design directly onto her body and the backdrop.


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A voluntary dog ban applies to Coppet Hall beach between 1st May and the 30thSeptember. The owners of the beach, Hean Castle Estate, realise the beach can get very busy with families and might not be the best beach to bring your dog in the height of summer.
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Blue Flag Beach 2016 and Seaside Award (Resort) 2016.
Large privately run car park next to the harbour. Large National Park car park 200m from the beach.
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On shore facilities
Toilets, tourist information centre, numerous cafes, pubs and restaurants. Several interesting shops and a good choice of hotels, caravan parks, B&Bs and self catering. Amusements and a nightclub.
Tourism Department, Pembrokeshire County Council, County Hall, Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire, SA61 1TP.


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