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The financial world has its knickers in a twist right now over the fact that Barclays Bank in Britain (and perhaps/probably up to 20 others others, including former golden bank J.P. Morgan) attempted to manipulate the LIBOR (London Inter-Bank Offered Rate) market, which is the hinge rate affecting something like $800 trillion-worth of financial instruments. (Can that number–$800 trillion—possibly be right? It is the figure The Economist cites.) Gee—bankers trying to affect a market to get larger spreads and, therefore, larger profits: who could have ever imagined it? The Wall Street Journal reports this morning that at least nine government regulatory agencies in six different nations are on the case. Bankers can expect a complete colonoscopy before this is over. Too big to flail? (Our mordant pals at ZeroHedge celebrate the laughable fact that Barclays just won a "Bank of the Year Award" from the financial magazine Euromoney, which is a bit like Bernie Madoff winning a charity award the day before he copped to his swindle.)
Without excusing big banks trying to manipulate a market unfairly or illegally, I wonder if we're looking at the right parties in the interest rate manipulation game, and whether the consequences of a story running right alongside this bank "scandal" isn't a whole lot more significant. Yesterday the central banks of China, the Eurozone, and the U.K. all cut interest rates close to zero (mimicking our Federal Reserve) supposedly so as to spur economic growth. As the Journal explains this morning, "Central bankers hope cheaper credit will induce businesses and households to borrow, spend and invest to boost growth. Lower rates could also reduce the burden of past loans on borrowers."
About that last bit—it clearly isn't helping some borrowers, such as Spain and Italy, whose sovereign 10-year borrowing costs continue to hover between 6 and 7 percent. But these near-zero interest rates are helping one borrower in particular: the United States Treasury. U.S. ten-year borrowing costs are hovering near 1.5 percent. Shorter-term U.S. debt is close to zero. One reason for this is that the dollar is simply the least-worst currency at the moment; as such, the Eurozone crisis benefits U.S. borrowing, meaning we can borrow a lot more for a lot longer than the Euro nations that have to fess up to the spendthrift ways. But even with the dollar looking better than other currencies (the notable exception is the Swiss franc, which recently experienced a negative-interest rate offering), it is not private investors putting their savings into our sovereign debt instruments: the majority of U.S. debt at the moment is being bought by the Federal Reserve itself. Translation: we're simply printing money. Lots of it. Lots and lots and lots of it.
Now, maybe this won't end badly, with a burst of inflation somewhere down the road. But it certainly means the U.S. government can continue to act irresponsibly for a longer period of time. Great: just what we need with Obama in charge. Exit question: do you think Obama and his Treasury Secretary Doogie Howser really want the Eurozone crisis fixed any time soon? And which government regulatory agency will look into this massive market manipulation? Right. Got it.
I'll say it again: Gold. And canned goods. And ammo.


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STERLING – Royal Neighbors of America Chapter 1570 delivered baskets of hope to the YWCA of the Sauk Valley in Sterling for Make a Difference Day.
Members donated time, items and money for items to fill and wrap baskets. They gave Sarah Steagall, YWCA case worker, six mother special baskets, six family fun night baskets and six laundry baskets filled with necessities.
Dr. Wendy Wells of Wells Family Dentistry donated dental hygiene products and McDonald's in Sterling donated cards.
For more information about RNA, call Shirley Lester at 815-499-4770.

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Splendid Summer Evenings at Bibler Gardens
July 25, 2018 @ 7:00 pm - 9:00 pm
Local residents and visitors to the Flathead Valley will have the opportunity to experience a splendid summer evening surrounded by acres of colorful annuals and perennials in full bloom highlighted by stunning views of the Flathead Valley. The Flathead Valley Community College Foundation will host the Bibler Home and Gardens Splendid Summer Evenings July 23 – 27. Guided tours of the gardens and the home's exquisite collection of antiques, sculptures and heirloom Persian carpets will be two hours in length and will take place at 4:30 and 7:00 p.m. Tickets are $15 for adults, $5 for children 12 and under. All tickets must be purchased in advance–no ticket sales at the gate. Proceeds will benefit Flathead Valley Community College student scholarships.


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"-F" and "-Z" are feh arguments. "-F" opens the image in fullscreen mode, and "-Z" autozooms the image. Adding the -q flag (quiet) suppresses error-messages to terminal when loading non-image files.
"-F" and "-Z" are feh arguments. "-F" opens the image in fullscreen mode, and "-Z" autozooms the image. Adding the -q flag (quiet) suppresses error-messages to terminal when loading non-image files .
===As a desktop wallpaper manager===
===As a desktop wallpaper manager===
Revision as of 14:16, 9 February 2011
feh is a lightweight and powerful image viewer that can also be used to manage the desktop wallpaper for standalone window managers lacking such features.
Template:Package Official is available in Extra:
# pacman -S feh
feh is highly configurable. For a full list of options, run Template:Codeline.
As an image viewer
To quickly browse images in a specific directory, you can launch feh with the following arguments:
$ feh -g 640x480 -d -S filename /path/to/directory
- The -g flag forces the images to appear no larger than 640x480
- The -S filename flag sorts the images by filename
This is just one example; there are many more options available should you desire more flexibility.
File Browser Image Launcher
The following script, originally posted on the forum, is useful for file browsers. It will display your selected image in feh, but it will enable you to browse all other images in the directory as well, in their default order, i.e. as if you had run "feh *" and cycled through to the selected image.
The script assumes the first argument is the filename.
#!/bin/bash shopt -s nullglob if [[ ! -f $1 ]]; then echo "$0: first argument is not a file" >&2 exit 1 fi file=$(basename -- "$1") dir=$(dirname -- "$1") arr=() shift cd -- "$dir" for i in *; do [[ -f $i ]] || continue arr+=("$i") [[ $i == $file ]] && c=$((${#arr[@]} - 1)) done exec feh "$@" -- "${arr[@]:c}" "${arr[@]:0:c}"
Invoke the script with the selected images path, followed by any additional arguments to feh. Here is an example of a launcher that you can use in a file browser:
/path/to/script %f -F -Z
"-F" and "-Z" are feh arguments. "-F" opens the image in fullscreen mode, and "-Z" autozooms the image. Adding the -q flag (quiet) suppresses error-messages to the terminal when feh tries loading non-image files in current folder.
As a desktop wallpaper manager
feh can be used to manage the desktop wallpaper for window managers that lack desktop features, such as Openbox and Fluxbox.
When using GNOME, you must disable Nautilus from controlling the desktop. The easiest way is to run this command:
$ gconftool-2 --set /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop --type boolean false
The following command is an example of how to set the initial background:
$ feh --bg-scale /path/to/image.file
Other scaling options include:
--bg-tile FILE --bg-center FILE --bg-max FILE --bg-fill FILE
To restore the background on the next session, add the following to your startup file (e.g. Template:Filename, Template:Filename, etc.):
sh ~/.fehbg &
Random background image
To rotate the wallpaper randomly, create a script with the code below (e.g. Template:Filename). Make the script executable (Template:Codeline) and call it from Template:Filename. You can also put the source directly in Template:Filename instead of in a separate file.
Change the Template:Filename directory to fit your setup, and the "15m" delay as you please (see Template:Codeline for options).
#!/bin/sh while true; do find ~/.wallpaper -type f -name '*.jpg' -o -name '*.png' -print0 | shuf -n1 -z | xargs -0 feh --bg-scale sleep 15m done
This version doesn't fork as much, but doesn't recurse through directories:
#!/bin/bash shopt -s nullglob cd ~/.wallpaper while true; do files=() for i in *.jpg *.png; do [[ -f $i ]] && files+=("$i") done range=${#files[@]} ((range)) && feh --bg-scale "${files[RANDOM % range]}" sleep 15m done


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All-round England make a winning-start
England 325 for 4 (Bell 85, Cook 75) beat India 316 for 9 (Yuvraj 61, Gambhir 52, Raina 50, Tredwell 4-44) by nine runs
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details
India had never chased more than 325 to win an ODI on home soil and, if the old India might have regarded England as ripe for the taking, this present side lacks the same formidable presence. They came close, but when Ishant Sharma was left to hit Jade Dernbach's last two balls for six to win the match, India probably knew in their hearts that the game was up.
England had lost 16 of their last 18 ODIs in India and two defeats in their warm-up matches did not auger well, but they served up a victory for their new limited-overs coach, Ashley Giles, at the first time of asking and will now face the rest of the five-match series in the belief that they are in an even series.
The first international at the Saurashtra Cricket Association Stadium lavished favours upon the batsmen. The pitch was amenable and the outfield glassy and there were many times when India's chase looked bound for success, not least when Yuvraj Singh struck a 38-ball fifty or MS Dhoni, furious that the water carriers did not seem to be living his dream, cleared the ropes four times in three overs.
But James Tredwell, with international-best figures of 4 for 44, stood firm. An understudy to Graeme Swann in England's ODI side, he now has a chance to assert himself with Swann resting out of the series, although "assert himself" is probably the wrong phrase because he is a mild-mannered unassuming chap, very much the introvert to Swann's extrovert.
This was only his 10th ODI, and the first time India had seen him. To their cost, four top batsmen now know a little bit more. Ajinkya Rahane and Gautam Gambhir had prospered against England's quick bowlers, but Tredwell dismissed them in successive overs, tossing one high to have Rahane caught at long-off and then deceiving Gambhir in the flight to have him caught at short midwicket.
None of England's thumpings came any worse than the 158-run defeat at Rajkot's old Madhavrao Scindia ground five years ago when Yuvraj, with 138, set about them. At a new stadium - immediately distinctive because of its Lord's-style media box - Yuvraj threatened to work his old magic, until he back-drove Tredwell to Jade Dernbach at short fine leg.
Briefly, it seemed as if the match might hinge on a reprieve for Suresh Raina, on 46, when he drove at Steven Finn and Tim Bresnan claimed a catch at third man, fairly enough, but there was just enough of a possibility on the TV replay that the ball had brushed the ground for the third umpire, Vineet Kulkarni, to rule "not out." India still needed 95 from 10 overs at that point, but Tredwell soon straightened one on a placid surface and held Raina's soft return catch. Swann would have looked ready to burst into song at that; Tredwell merely smiled in surprise.
The crowd were stirred, nevertheless, chants of "Dhoni, Dhoni" gaining in intensity after an outrageous one-handed six off Samit Patel. But Dernbach, whose line to the left-handers had been so awry that it demanded a scribbled reminder to do better if he could find space on those powerful, tattooed forearms, removed Dhoni and Ravindra Jadeja in the same over, Dhoni failing to muscle a slower ball over long-off.
As serenely as Ian Bell and Alastair Cook proceeded to give England a flattering start, in an opening stand of 158 in 27.4 overs, England's most destructive batsmen, Kevin Pietersen and Eoin Morgan, were restricted to a brace of 40s. An uninhibited final fling by Patel, who made 44 not out from 20 balls, as 38 came from the last two overs, was a necessary flourish. Ishant, who always seemed to be bowling at the wrong time, conceded 20 in the penultimate over and leaked 86 in all.
Bell again looked so comfortable at the top of England's order in 50-over cricket that it is now hard to believe it took him so long to settle there. There was nothing outlandish in his strokeplay, just an exercise in technique and timing. His form has been a boon to Giles, their productive relationship at Warwickshire restated at international level.
Bell, on 15, edged Bhuvneshwar Kumar between MS Dhoni and R Ashwin, who was virtually stood at second slip, with both fielders motionless. It was apparent in the Test series that Dhoni's captaincy responsibilities sometimes submerge his keeping and he remained rooted. But these moments soon became distant regrets as Bell crept up the pitch surreptitiously in search of elegant drives.
Cook was not quite as mellifluous, but his resourcefulness is beyond doubt. Whatever he puts his mind to at the moment, he achieves and he is minded to lead England to a one-day series win in India. That would not be one of his most important prizes, but it would be one of his most remarkable.
Bell was run out by Rahane, who hit direct as the batsman tried to steal a single to short fine leg and chose not to dive for the crease; Rahane also had a hand in Cook's dismissal, although on this occasion he had no need to exert himself in the same position as Cook top-edged a sweep off Raina.
Raina sneaked in five overs for 18 as England's innings slowed; Joe Root, on debut, was to do the same for England later. Others had less cause for pleasure: Ashwin's tactic of stalling in his delivery stride, a method first employed by Robert Croft for England, was over-used and disturbed his own rhythm more than the batsmen's.
To see Pietersen and Morgan joining forces at 172 for 2 in the 32nd over was unnerving for India, but both began tentatively as Morgan, after some whip-crack flat-batting, fell to a return catch by Ashok Dinda, who fumbled and cradled the rebound. Pietersen lofted Dinda to long-on. Just when it seemed that England's innings was losing impetus, Patel proved otherwise.
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Kleiner Perkins partner and former Morgan Stanley analyst Mary Meeker is best known for her insightful presentations on the state of the Web, and she's just published another great one.
It contains a rather unpleasant surprise, though.
Toward the end, Meeker includes a mini-presentation on the state of the US and world economies.
Other than a few positive trends in tech (smartphones and LinkedIn, specifically), she's pretty bleak about the economy, the market, Europe, and government spending.


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Latest Attack On Michelle Obama: She Went To Target
Research ››› ››› MELODY JOHNSON
Right-wing media have attacked Michelle Obama for going shopping at Target, claiming she went " 'incognito,' Lady Gaga-style" and asking, "Who does she think she's fooling?" Right-wing media have previously attacked the first lady for everything from promoting health initiaitves to wearing a red dress at a state dinner.
Michelle Obama Visits Target ...
Washington Post: "Hey Isn't That...? Michelle Obama At Target." From a September 29 post on The Washington Post's Reliable Sources blog:
Michelle Obama shopping at Target Thursday. An AP photographer (small world!) happened upon the first lady at the Alexandria store, pushing a cart and carrying bags.
Michelle Obama, center, with an unidentified aide -- we're assuming, anyway. Who else would be working two BlackBerrys at Target? [The Washington Post, 9/29/11, emphasis original]
... And The Right-Wing Media Attack
Limbaugh: "It Has Gotten So Bad, They Had To Send Moochelle Out There In A Lady Gaga-Type Getup. She Went Shopping At Target." During the September 30 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show, Limbaugh said: "It has gotten so bad, they had to send Moochelle out there in a Lady Gaga-type getup. She went shopping at Target." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 9/30/11, via Media Matters]
Malkin: Obama Went To Target "About As 'Incognito' As Lady Gaga." In a September 29 blog post, Michelle Malkin attacked Obama for shopping at Target, writing that Obama was "about as 'incognito' as Lady Gaga's outfit at her younger sister's graduation." Malkin went on to call the first lady "the glamour queen" and further stated that Obama's Target visit was "[t]o counter the negative diva buzz" and that it "[l]ooks like she left the bling at home." [MichelleMalkin.com, 9/29/11, via Media Matters]
The Blaze: "What Luck!" Obama "Wasn't Snapped Without Make-Up, With Messy Hair Wearing Sweatpants To Do Her 'Everywoman' Shopping." A September 30 post on The Blaze stated:
Our First Lady has sooome luck. Not only is her hubby the leader of the free world, but just as the Obama camps [sic] is desperately looking for a way to relate to America's Average Joes, a staff photographer with the Associated Press just so happened to be there to document her recent Target shopping jaunt.
What luck! Obama also wasn't snapped without make-up, with messy hair wearing sweatpants to do her "everywoman" shopping... like some of us who will remain nameless.
Exit question: I could see a quick stop in at the local Target store as something that might happen out on the campaign trail. But who really believes Michelle Obama left the White House to pop in at the Alexandria, Va., Target because the East Wing ran out of paper towels? [The Blaze, 9/30/11, emphasis in original]
Weasel Zippers: "Honestly, Who Does She Think She's Fooling?" A September 29 Weasel Zippers post titled, "Pic of the Day," stated, "See, Mooch is just like us!" and showed a photograph of the first lady at Target. The post went on to ask, "Honestly, who does she think she's fooling?" [Weasel Zippers, 9/29/11]
Beck And Co-Hosts Mock Obama For Going To Target. On his September 30 radio program, Glenn Beck and his co-hosts mocked Obama for going to Target and asked, "Did you see the agonizing photos of Michelle Obama as a Target shopper?" [Premiere Radio Networks, The Glenn Beck Program, 9/30/11]
Right-Wing Media Figures Have Consistently Attacked Michelle Obama
Right-Wing Lip Readers' Michelle Obama Derangement Syndrome. Following a ceremony on the 10th anniversary of 9-11, various right-wing blogs and The Washington Times claimed that Michelle Obama likely disparaged the American flag during a memorial ceremony. [Media Matters, 9/14/11]
Washington Examiner Blamed Obama's "Let's Move!" Campaign For Pedestrian Deaths. A January Washington Examiner story claimed that the first lady's "Let's Move!" campaign could be linked to an increase in pedestrian deaths. The Washington Examiner article was later promoted by numerous right-wing media outlets. [Media Matters, 1/20/11]
For the truth behind The Washington Examiner's article, SEE HERE.
Wash. Times: Michelle Obama "Doesn't Seem All That Happy With The Man She Married 19 Years Ago." In an August 28 Washington Times op-ed, Joseph Curl wrote that Michelle Obama "doesn't seem all that happy with the man she married 19 years ago." Curl also asked, "Man, how miserable is Michelle Obama?" [The Washington Times, 8/29/11, via Media Matters]
The Blaze Claimed "Michelle Obama Might Have Taken The 'Happy' Out Of McDonald's Happy Meals." A July 26 post on The Blaze stated:
A child could once feel excitement over hearing a parent utter those beautiful words: "honey, we're going to McDonald's for a Happy Meal." But those carefree days are over and that sense of childhood wonderment and abandon is about to be seriously curbed by a new McDonald's policy that cuts an order of fries in half, throws apple slices, raisins and pineapple chunks around as if they were ketchup, and just generally makes Happy Meals "healthier," and, less happy. And even though the apples are reportedly not well-received by customers, guess what? McDonald's is forcing the fruit in its Happy Meals anyway. Whether you want it or not.
And what's more, politics, perhaps even the White House itself, could be to blame.
So after all the years of satisfied customers "lovin' it," it is political pressure, including First Lady Michelle Obama's war on childhood obesity, that reportedly forced McDonald's hands.
McDonald's: another casualty in the Nanny State's war on personal choice, or is the fast food giant bringing this on themselves? Will the new, and perhaps not improved, McDonald's menu affect your decision to patronize the long-time burger institution? [The Blaze, 7/26/11, via Media Matters]
For the truth about McDonald's decision to make its Happy Meals healthier, SEE HERE.
Right-Wing Media Spun "Help From The Media" Comment About Obama Children To Suggest Media Bias. The Drudge Report and Andrew Breitbart's Big Journalism both attacked Michelle Obama's statement during a CNN interview that "we have help from the media" to suggest media bias. Obama was actually thanking the media for respecting her children's privacy. [Media Matters, 6/25/11]
Right-Wing Media Stooped To Suggesting Michelle Obama Is Fat. Rush Limbaugh and other right-wing media figures rallied against Obama's "Let's Move!" fitness and nutrition campaign by attacking her eating habits and calling her fat. [Media Matters, 2/14/11, 2/21/11]
Right-Wing Media Attacked Obama's Dress Choice For State Dinner. Right-wing media attacked Obama for wearing a red dress to a White House state dinner, suggesting she did so to honor "Commie Red China." [Media Matters, 1/20/11]
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Keesha in the CBS cast video: I do think that its gonna help me working at Hooters. All the drama, all the backstabbing. Same thing.
Who knew that taking somebodies order can ultimately lead to your own eviction...sort of sad.
Well if the photos were for the hooter's calendar... the dog blew her chance.
Quote from: Texan on July 10, 2008, 10:18:33 AMWell if the photos were for the hooter's calendar... the dog blew her chance. Meet Keesha and Ollie, two of the lucky house guests to be competing for the $500,000 grand prize. Catch all the action on Big Brother 10 starting July 13th!
I'm so dumb Boingo, I thought you posted a video, now wonder it wouldn't play
My bf might even watch after seeing this, so he says
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Linux Top 3: KDE 4.9, Linux 3.6 and Fedora's New MATE
There has been some debate lately about whether or not GNOME has gone off the deep end into an abyss. Whether or not that's true is debatable. What is certain though, is that on the Linux Planet the Linux desktop is not an endangered species with no shortage of viable, sustainable options.
This past week, KDE 4.9 was released providing new stability, performance and feature enhancements for the open source KDE desktop.
Improvements include lots of incremental updates in Plasma Workspaces to the Dolphin File Manager, Konsole X Terminal Emulator, Activities, and the KWin Window Manager.
"KDE's powerful file manager Dolphin now includes back and forward buttons and in-line file renaming is back," the Plasma Workspace release notes state. "Dolphin can show metadata such as ratings, tags, image and file sizes, author, date, and more as well as grouping and sorting by metadata properties. The new Mercurial plugin handles this versioning system in the same convenient way git, SVN and CVS are supported, so users can do pulls, pushes and commits right from the file manager."
Throughout KDE 4.9, there is a particular emphasis this release around quality. It's an emphasis driven by the focus of the KDE Quality Team. The quality team was started at the beginning of 2012 with the goal of making quality a priority for KDE releases.
"Special attention was given to identifying and fixing regressions from previous releases," the KDE 4.9 release announcement states. "This was a top priority because it ensures improvement with each release."
2) Fedora MATE
Fedora has long been the poster child for GNOME support. Fedora's GNOME support is not surprising given the large number of strong Red Hat committers involved in the GNOME project overall.
What is surprising however is the Fedora Project's embrace of MATE - a fork of GNOME 2.
"Many users have expressed interest in this feature since Fedora 15 in which Fedora was switched from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3," Fedora's MATE feature wiki page states. "For the advanced user that doesn't want a cutting edge desktop and just wants to keep it simple this is perfect for them. The popularity of MATE Desktop is very high. It is one of the 2 choices of DE's for Linux Mint which is one of the most popular Linux distros out right now."
The MATE desktop is currently scheduled for inclusion in Fedora 18, due for release later this year.
Fedora's embrace of MATE is not the only news from MATE this week. Though the GNOME desktop, as far (as the GNOME Foundation is concerned) is dead, MATE is continuing to develop the interface. MATE 1.4 was released this past week, providing multiple bug fixes and a number of incremental feature improvements. Among the improvements is a new bluetooth based file sharing capability.
3) Linux 3.6
Barely two weeks after the Linux 3.5 kernel release, and the merge window for Linux 3.6 has now closed. This past week, Linus Torvalds pushed out the first release candidate to the Linux 3.6 kernel.
"As usual, even the shortlog is too big to usefully post, but there's the usual breakdown: about two thirds of the changes are drivers (with the CSR driver from the staging tree being a big chunk of the noise - christ, that thing is big and wordy even after some of the crapectomy)," Torvalds wrote in a mailing list post. "Of the non-driver portion, a bit over a third is arch (arm, x86, tile, mips, powerpc, m68k), and the rest is a fairly even split among fs, include file noise, networking, and just "rest"."
Sean Michael Kerner is a senior editor at InternetNews.com, the news service of the IT Business Edge Network, the network for technology professionals Follow him on Twitter @TechJournalist.


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The Fly Delta app for Windows Phone has been updated, but there still seems to be issues with logging in for many consumers. These problems were raised by users prior to this release being published, so one would expect the update to contain the necessary improvements, correct? The latest release includes "Bug fixes & performance enhancements" and no, we're not trolling you.
The app listing confirms that the team behind the Fly Delta Windows Phone app has indeed applied a number of bug fixes and performance enhancements, which will be noticeable to those who can actually get the app to work. It may be the case that the team has merely made a mistake and has somehow submitted the wrong version, or has overlooked some of the fundamental problems with the experience.
You can download Fly Delta for free from the Windows Phone Store. Let us know in the comments if you're having trouble with Fly Delta.


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Tuesday, August 31, 2010
UPDATED: Laurent Fignon is Dead
"I don't want to die at 50 but if my cancer is incurable, what can I do?," he lamented to Paris-Match magazine in January.
Fignon, a Parisian known in the peloton as "The Professor" for his bespectacled appearance, won the Tour in 1983 and 1984, the Giro d'Italia in 1989 and Milan-San Remo twice, in 1988 and 1989.
Considered to be one of the best riders of the 80's, Fignon could also count in his palmares victories in two editions of the Critérium International, the GP des Nations, and Flèche Wallonne; he was the 1984 French professional champion.
But 1989 was his most memorable season.
Despite fighting a see-saw battle with Greg LeMond during the '89 Tour, and swapping the race leader's yellow jersey four times, Fignon could not best the American. He started the final stage - a 25km individual time trial - with a 50-second lead, but would be pipped by eight seconds in the end, the closest margin ever.
As Fignon raced down The Avenue des Champs-Élysées and headed towards the finish of the race, British commentator Phil Ligget exclaimed, "Fignon is bouncing off the barriers! He's lost the Tour de France!" (see 4:38 in the video included below) It was a watershed moment in cycling history, and one that clearly marked a transition between old and new.
While he configured a dual-disc set-up for his time trial bike, Fignon chose to race that day without the benefit of an aerodynamic helmet, or the newfangled clip-on handlebars for which his rival LeMond had opted.
And despite only a year's age difference between them, the pony-tailed Fignon seemed older and more fragile after crossing the line - a spent force - while LeMond's post-race joy and wonderment were popping.
In a book published in June 2009, "We Were Young and Carefree," Fignon revealed he had been diagnosed with cancer. He also admitted to having used doping products at various points throughout his career, but said he did not know if they had caused his illness.
"I love life, I love a good laugh, travel, books, good food. I'm a typical Frenchman. I'm not afraid of death, I just don't want to die."
As Greg LeMond told me several years ago, "Fignon was a great competitor and he pushed me to push myself to do my best."
Aloof. Aristocratic. Ferocious. Fierce. In retirement - rejuvenated. Fignon may not have feared death, but he is, undoubtedly, gone too soon.
This report includes writing by Jean-Paul Couret and Editing by Clare Fallon (Reuters).
Notes: LeMond's effort was the fastest individual time trial for a distance longer than 10 km ever ridden in the Tour (54.545 km/h average speed). Fignon finished third in the final time trial, averaging 53.59 km/h (33.33 mph). Fignon's Super-U teammate Thierry Marie took second on the stage, at 33 seconds.
UPDATE: On a day filled with tributes to Fignon, these words by LeMond stand out:
"It's a really sad day. I see him as one of the great riders who was hampered by injuries. He had a very, very big talent, much more than anyone recognized. For me he was one of the greater champions that was not recognized. He was more recognized for his loss in the Tour de France than for his two victories."
"When he lost the Tour de France in 1989 it was one of the few victories where I felt we both won. The saddest thing for me is that for the rest of his career he said he won two Tours de France, when in reality we both could have won the race."
I apologize to those who thought it was a poor choice to feature video of Fignon actually losing a bike race - rather than winning. It was 1989 when I started cycling, however, and my first - and enduring - memory of Fignon was his epic battle with LeMond. If you have links to video clips of Fignon winning races, please feel free to leave them in the comments, and I'll add them to this main body of the post.
11 comments:
- Anonymous31 August, 2010 11:25
Nice post, great video, thanks for including a pic from the Giro. Noticing a lot of TT shots! whew. Wow.ReplyDelete
- Anonymous31 August, 2010 11:48
The death of Fignon is a tragedy for cycling, French sport, humanity - but you have written a respectable - respectful - note on his death and for that we people of France acknowledge you. Let us hope it is not the death of another of our hero'es that brings forth yuor talents again.ReplyDelete
- Anonymous31 August, 2010 12:14
Holy shit! Fignon is dead?! But he's like 49 only, right?ReplyDelete
Thanks for your comments so far, folks. Fignon was 50, actually, having just celebrated a birthday this month, I believe.ReplyDelete
As I just told a friend of mine, today is
a sad day, for sure, but we must celebrate Fignon and ensure that his memory is firmly established w/in the realm of internet-based cycling history, and that his name is etched into the pantheon of cycling greats.
I finished second-from-last in my first bike race, which was in 1989, but decided to stick with the sport because of the inspiring story that was the battle for the Tour b/w LeMond and Fignon.
Hopefully some amateur team in the US will decide to reprise the Super-U kit and will make it the basis for their team's 2011 design!
Gitane is a great bike, but I think "Fignon" would be an even cooler brand name.
Maybe Trek can start making commemorative models in ltd #'s to commemorate all of the Tour winners pre-Armstrong.
- Anonymous31 August, 2010 13:01
Ummm, it would have been nice to watch video of Fignon winning something, not losing to LeMond.ReplyDelete
No being over in europe, I know it's hard to understand how integral a part of cycling Fignon had become with commentary. He could be harsh at times (and I'm sure many cyclists grimaced at his insightful analysis), but he spoke from his own experience and spoke true. And when he spoke, I always listened. He was the voice of cycling to me that I most respected and enjoyed.ReplyDelete
I was gutted when he announced he had cancer.
And could he ever be funny -- he had an absolutely wicked sense of humour! He had me in stitches this Tour, even raspy voiced, with the noises he made whilst Andy Schleck descended after the Chaingate incident.
His love of life, of cycling, was evident even to the last. He was a fighter and it showed, both with his words and deeds. I think his death hit everyone so hard because we really thought he had what it took to win this one, against the odds. He never gave up and fought it with such beautiful dignity.
Whilst i admired him as a cyclist, I will honestly will miss him most of all, selfishly, for his brilliant commentary.
The Tour will never be the same.
R.I.P. Laurent!
Cam, thanks for your heart-felt words and expression of true emotion at the death of Fignon.ReplyDelete
If you have an especially memorable clip (audio or video w/ sound) of Fignon doing commentary, please send me the link and I'd be happy to post it.
- Anonymous01 September, 2010 14:26
I was in France during the Tour this summer. Fignon was providing commentary on the last 10km of each stage because he was too weak to spend hours on TV. It was evident he wasn't doing well - his voice was in BAD shape. Nevertheless, he passed more quickly than I anticipated.ReplyDelete
I was always (still am) a LeMond fan and I thought of Fignon as the guy with the black hat. But, over time my opinion changed and I came to respect him a great deal. May he RIP.
Anon, thanks for sharing your experience w/ Fignon's 2010 work. I wish I'd known that he was so on the ropes...for some reason I'd just assumed that he'd battled back to a position of stability w/ the disease.ReplyDelete
Fignon as a person I really know nothing about, unfortunately. He was finishing his career when I was still a junior, and not speaking French, I wasn't able to access efficiently his body of work.
Is there an english-language version of his biograhy/memoirs?
Lastly, has anyone or any network put together a good video montage in tribute to Fignon and in celebration of his career? If so, someone please post the link.
"We Were Young and Carefree" is the english translation of his autobiography: Nous étions jeunes et insouciants and it was released this year (and available at Amazon).ReplyDelete
Still looking for suitable clips to link... I'm afraid all I've come up with are in French (including a rich one from Vélo Club with LeMond in 2007 where they talk about the '89 Tour).
He was very opinionated which I loved! He could be cranky and harsh and did not suffer fools... But he loved cycling and, most especially, racing. I think would have enjoyed his commentary, Joe.
Nice post, great video, thanksReplyDelete
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I've sampled different bourbons and have narrowed it down to this list. Thanks in advance for your vote!
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February 20, 2013, 12:48:08 AM »
Fantastic list that included almsot all of my favorites. I was stationed at Ft. Knox for 2 years with the 1st Infantry Division so I became somewhat of a bourbon snob during my many visits to the distilleries along the Bourbon Trail.. My go to has always been Makers or Knob so you can't go wrong there. I think you should nix Woodford, it's just not on par with other bourbons. It always tastes a little young and less refined. If you're looking for some spice to augment I would suggest a Knob Creek Rye. Makers and Knob Creek have a high corn content in the mash bill, something like 75% with just a touch of Rye. So you get a lot sweeter bourbon. If you want that flavor to really shine through with a little bit of snap, a Rye bourbon would be greater. Four Roses is another stellar bourbon even though they primarily export to Japan and are just starting to show up again in the States. Again it's more of a corn bourbon. Buffalo Trace isn't one I have a lot of experience with. Might I also suggest adding Eagle Rare? It's distilled in limited quantities every year, one of my all time favorites and I never miss a chance to snag a bottle if I happen to see it on a shelf.
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Our club has made some wonderful porters and stouts using Heaven Hill's Elijah Craig barrels. I used to be a Maker's Mark man until I tried Woodford Reserve, BTW.
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IMO, you don't need expensive bourbon to add to a beer. You can get cheaper bourbons with good flavor that will work just fine for your purposes here (and some are fine for sipping, too).
From your list, I would go with Four Roses (I assume yellow label) or Maker's.
Some of the less expensive ones you might consider would include Heaven Hill, Ancient Age, Old Weller, or Very Old Barton. I went on a budget bourbon tasting spree a year or so ago and these were some of the better ones. HH I'd probably reserve for mixers, but the other three do quite well on their own.
For the price of Woodford Reserve and Knob Creek, I'd pour it over a couple cubes rather than into a beer.
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+1 to a good tasting budget bourbon. Woodford or Knob would be lost under the layers of dark malt. Sounds awesome though. I'm brewing an oaked bourbon imperial porter soon. Let us know how it comes out !
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Having made a lot of beer with bourbon in it, and not being a bourbon freak, all I can say is get a decent, but not expensive or over the top, bourbon. You want the flavor to be integrated, out shout bourbon at you. IMO, if you can tell what brand of bourbon you used, you used too much.
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OTOH - its a pretty nice excuse to buy a decent bottle of bourbon to have around!
I don't think I'd ever use my
good stuff, but it shouldn't have solventy, rough, or plastic-like off-flavors. That will come through in the beer, just like using oxidized wine.
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I agree with decent but not cheap bourbon. Good bourbon is for sippin'.
I find plain ole Jim Beam works pretty good in the imperial porter.
Stay away from the cheap stuff, like Early Times.
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From the Straight Bourbon Forums, re: Early Times:
"Originally Posted by JeffRenner
Jim Murray gives it a decent review in his 2005 Whiskey Bible, and his description makes it sound appealing. Actually, I should say "them" rather than "it," as it appears there are two. He gives them scores of 80 and 83 out of 100.
Here are his reviews (with color and fonts painstakingly duplicated as in the book ), with n, t, f, and b being nose, taste, finish and balance.
Early Times (brown label) (80) n19 t21 f20 b20 A very light but well-made bourbon. clean, with hints of cinnamon and citrus. Quite refreshing. 40% (80 proof).
Early Times (yellow label) (83) n20 t21 f21 b21 A heavier, more vanilla-rich bourbon that offers a consistent, delicate, sweet theme throughout with butterscotch on the finish. 40% (80 proof).
Do you have the yellow or brown label?
Regan and Regan say that the two bourbons are 80 and 86 proof, the 86 proof being labeled "Premium." They don't mention label color. But that was in 1998. I don't know if Murray has it wrong or it it has changed. Perhaps the yellow label, even if the same proof, is aged longer than the brown.
Just to re-emphasize what others have written, Early Times as sold in the US is not a bourbon since 20% of the barrels are used, not new. The overseas product is a bourbon aged in 100% charred, new oak barrels. I think that both are made the same until they are barrelled, and suspect that the American product, labeled "Kentucky Whiskey" (not a legally defined term), is not aged as long as the bourbons.
NOTE: I am not recommending anyone drink Early Times. But there appear to be some that enjoy it. I also have no idea if this Jeff Renner is the same one as we might be familiar with.
I've found straightbourbon.com to be a nice resource for reviews, but everyone's tastes are different. Definitely use a whiskey you like, but it shouldn't (or doesn't need to be) an expensive whiskey. Ancient Age is dirt cheap, and I really enjoy the flavor.
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Yep, that's the Jeff Renner we know and love. I clicked your link and recognized his photo as his avatar.
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As with any other type of cooking, I'd go with something you like and feel the base profile will match what you're trying to achieve. It's not worth busting out the super-premium stuff, though, as the nuances that make it a notch above the rest will be lost. For me, Knob Creek is my go-to bourbon so I'd go with that. I wouldn't be kicking into my Blanton's for something like this, however.
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400. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowKKuja Mar 24, 2012 12:13 PM (in response to hamish niven)
Lets hope the proper LR4.0 comes out soon, not the unofficial beta 2 that most people have paid for.
I'm a little bit frightened because if I recall correctly these were almost the same words that someone said about Lr3 (and even Lr2).
I'm sorry I don't have anything ontopic to say. I have to confess I haven't yet even tested Lr4, because long ago I made a decision I wait for at least .1 or .2 update before testing.
401. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowLee Jay Mar 24, 2012 12:24 PM (in response to hamish niven)
hamish niven wrote:
Thanks Tony
so it went to the right place, to where bugs were posted and not to the user to user forums, where people were talking about it, where people where asking about it and where the Adobe feedback would have been really appreciated.
Oh well.
shame that it was not shared here.
You're welcome.
402. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowhamish niven Mar 24, 2012 12:39 PM (in response to Lee Jay)
Thanks Lee Jay
appreciate you passing it on for everyone.
Good job done for all
403. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowhamish niven Mar 24, 2012 2:05 PM (in response to KKuja)
KKuja, you are pretty right to be concerned.
I'd consider downloading the LR4 on the 30 day and making a catalog with a new set of images. Its got superb processing.
A LARGE issue is that +50 on exposure -25 highlight and +12 shadow is not the same for 2 photos, - kinda irritating as its very hard to set limits on where you would or would not place sliders.
With LR3.x, I'd never go above
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- fill +25
- black +20
but with LR4, its semi sort of relative, ie zoom to 100% to check.
However, pushing the shadows - sorta little like fill to 50 adds so little noise.... amazing
You may be lucky with your computer set up and have few issues like I also have.
Import all your new images as DNG, and have an import preset that
- sets the lens profile
- sets any vignetting you want on the lens
- sets the CA - Chromatic Aberration
- sets the noise & pre sharpening
- sets the tone curve (even if default NOW linear)
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This will help with the speed, even if importing a 16 Gb chip takes as long as boiling a kettle having laid the fire, started it, filled a 4 gallon kettle and waited for it to heat.
Give it a go, the trial is only ±1Gb for PC / mac and even if you dont like it , you'd have the images in the LR4 catalog for when ( I hope not if) Adobe get LR4.2 working nicely.
I hear your reticence and sensible model to avoid X.0 and X.1 releases, will you upgrade straight to Photoshop CS6 though?
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I'm replying to say that I'm experiencing much of the same slowdown that everyone else is experiencing. I've noticed a few things:
1. If I pull up the Windows task manager to see my CPU usage, I can see that just moving the mouse over Lightroom causes my CPU to spike between 50% and 80%. This could be causing a lot of the problems with the sliders, since I'm trying to use the mouse to adjust the sliders at the same time that Lightroom is trying to calculate the changes.
2. I use a mouse/keyboard sharing program called "Mouse Without Borders" from Microsoft labs. It lets me use a single keyboard/mouse for two computers. With this program running my CPU spike is higher than without it running.
3. Deleting my preferences file helped bring down the maximum CPU usage a bit.
4. Opening a new catalog rather than my converted Lightroom 1 --> 2 --> 3 --> 4 catalog helped bring down the maximum CPU usage a bit. I am still hoping to be able to use my existing Lightroom catalog.
5. I have an NVidia graphic card. I used the following NVidia control panel 3D settings, which helped bring down the maximum CPU usage a bit. These same settings made Lightroom 3 brushes work. Without these settings I could barely brush on any effect:
Anisotropic filtering: OFF
Antialiasing - Gamma correction: OFF
Antialiasing - Mode: Override any application setting
Antialiasing - Setting: 2x (2xMS)
Antialiasing - Transparency: Off
Buffer-flipping mode: Use block transfer
CUDA - GPUs: All
Enable overlay: Off
Exported pixel types: Color indexed overlays
Maximum pre-rendered frames: 3
Multi-display/mixed-GPU acceleration: Compatibility performance mode
OpenGL Rendering GPU: Quadro FX 2700M
Power management mode: Prefer maximum performance
Threaded optimization: Auto
Triple buffering: Off
Texture filtering - Anisotropic filter optimize: Off
Texture filtering - Anisotropic sample op: Off
Texture filtering - Negative LOD bias: Allow
Vertical sync: Force on
That said, I have returned some performance to my machine, but Lightroom is still highly unusable. Where I used to be able to process a few hundred photos in an hour, it now takes hours to process 30 or 40, just because the response in the program is so unbearably slow.
My machine
Lenovo W700DS, with the second laptop screen turned off.
512GB SSD primary disk, Lightroom catalog, previews, and imported images on this disk.
1TB secondary disk, unused by Lightroom.
Intel Core2 Extreme processor (processor is a bit slower, which does affect my import/export times, but I render 1:1 previews on import and wait for the CPU to settle down before attempting to work)
1920x1080 primary display
Standard previews set to 2048.
Windows 7 64-bit Professional edition
I routinely work with full-resolution RAW images from my Canon 5D Mark II (very large).
I hope this information helps shed some light on the problems. Can anyone else confirm that their CPU spikes just moving the mouse across the application? Not even pressing buttons or trying to do anything. Just move.
405. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowkwdaves Mar 24, 2012 5:05 PM (in response to gadgetgeek)
For those with slider problems, widening the right panel by clicking on its left edge and dragging it to the left may help a bit by lengthening the slider lines (whatever their proper names are).
For those who have sluggish behavior overall, for example taking 10+ secs to generate a preview in the Library module, deleting and then regenerating your standard previews may work wonders. Please, please. Someone be the guinea pig and try it.
406. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowgadgetgeek Mar 24, 2012 6:19 PM (in response to kwdaves)
I deleted all my previews. It didn't make a difference for me. I still have
problems with CPU when moving the sliders and moving my mouse.
Sent from my iPhone
407. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowBoggy4062 Mar 24, 2012 10:01 PM (in response to BCormier)
There is no doubt - Lightroom 4 IS slow on any hardware configuration, much slower when comparing to Lightroom 3.x. I doesn't matter how beefy the machine is (my is i7 with 8 CPUs and 16GB of RAM) which made the previous version fligh. I descovered another bug: syncing of keywords does NOT work. (and I did not test the rest of the fields). I believe that the product was rush to the market, and was not tested sufficiently. Not impressed with Adobe on this
408. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowtfitz100 Mar 25, 2012 7:00 AM (in response to BCormier)
While I haven't been *as* troubled by the slowness issues reported, I did see them a lot in the beta where the system would just slow down to a crawl when trying to make simple Develop Module adjustments.
That being said, I DO notice a delay when making some changes with some adjustment brushes. Up to a second or more sometimes. When I use the Tint brush and change the Tint on the slider, I have to wait about a second for the changes to propogate up into the image. This is not tolerable.
I currently have an i7-2600K with 8GB of memory, a SSD drive for the LR4 cache and a seperate drive for the actual catalog and RAW files being used, so it's certainly NOT a harware issue as so many have pointed out.
Adobe needs to investigate this problem now. This should be the TOP priority for the development team, nothing else. I've seen the list of issues they have on their developers forum and they are all issues that need to be solved, but not nearly as serious as this one. Adobe engineers should be working AROUND the CLOCK on this one, period. Everything else should be on the backburner until then.
Another issue is that Adobe has NOT SAID ANYTHING about this problem to this community. That, in and of itself, is a problem--almost worse than the actual problem. A simple report of their progress thus far would suffice. I'm a senior software engineer, and if my team let a problem like this go for so long without any acknowledgement whatsoever, our heads would be on a platter with our company.
409. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowBlind Monk Mar 25, 2012 9:45 AM (in response to Boggy4062)
I was successful importing keywords in a Text file -tab separated values (TSV) format -into LR4. No problems using a TSV file at all.
A decent explanation of how this type of file should look can be found below (just forget that they use MS Excel as the example software):
Export lightroom 3 keywords into Save the resulting file as a .txt file, and import.
410. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowunique_jb Mar 25, 2012 11:45 AM (in response to Boggy4062)
I think this is a general proble with adobe. Each new version is much slower than before. LR3 is much slower than LR2. Sounds like LR4 is going to be slower than LR3. Each new version of acrobat is much slower than the previous one. The same seems to be true for illustrator and photoshop. It seems that adobe for some reason is unable to make new versions of their software as fast (or ideally faster) than the previous one. This practice was acceptable in the 1990s (when single threaded performance was increasing exponentially) but since around 2003 this has no longer been the case, and it is critical to optimize single threaded performance and user interface latencies. Adobe for some reason doesn't consider this a priority I think.
411. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowgadgetgeek Mar 25, 2012 11:56 AM (in response to gadgetgeek)
I posted a video on Youtube demonstrating the problem with CPU usage with Lightroom. Almost 100% CPU utilization on a dual-core processor when moving the Temp slider.
412. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowScooby007 Mar 25, 2012 4:53 PM (in response to gadgetgeek)
I get between 15% and 30% (i7 3.4)
413. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowLee Jay Mar 25, 2012 5:25 PM (in response to Scooby007)
B r e t t wrote:
I get between 15% and 30% (i7 3.4)
So do I, but don't you want it to use 100%? That's how it's going to be the fastest. If there's a bug or limitation, it's that it's NOT using all the available processor power.
414. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowjoema3 Mar 25, 2012 6:41 PM (in response to Lee Jay)
I just installed LR4 and am appalled at how slow the Library module is when sequentially stepping through photos. At 1:2 zoom, it takes 3.3 seconds to change and render the next photo. This is on a overclocked quad-proc, hyperthreaded i7-860 @ 3.8 Ghz with 8GB RAM, catalog on a 10k rpm SATA drive and photos on a RAID 0 array. 64-bit Windows 7. GPU = nVidia GeForce GTX-275, 896MB, driver = 220.127.116.1153 (290.53).
This is not a fringe, esoteric operation. You click once to magnify, then hit the right arrow key for next. In UI parlance it is a "common user path". How could Lightroom testers or program managers sign off on something like this?
LR3 was much faster. Is there any rational explation for this, or installation/config error which explains it?
I haven't had major problems with sliders in the Develop module, but LR4 in general feels sluggish and Library browsing is intolerably slow. I see the "Loading..." message so often it's essentially a logo.
415. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowkwdaves Mar 25, 2012 7:53 PM (in response to joema3)
joema3 wrote:
I just installed LR4 and am appalled at how slow the Library module is when sequentially stepping through photos. At 1:2 zoom, it takes 3.3 seconds to change and render the next photo. This is on a overclocked quad-proc, hyperthreaded i7-860 @ 3.8 Ghz with 8GB RAM, catalog on a 10k rpm SATA drive and photos on a RAID 0 array. 64-bit Windows 7. GPU = nVidia GeForce GTX-275, 896MB, driver = 188.8.131.5253 (290.53).
The problem you describe is exactly what I saw after the LR2-LR3 upgrade. I fixed it by deleting and then regenerating my previews.
Try this: delete the contents of your previews folder in the Lightroom folder, then in LR4 select "all photographs" and then click on Library/Previews/Render Standard-Sized Previews.
This is a separate issue from the sluggish slider behavior others have reported.
416. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowbob frost Mar 26, 2012 12:56 AM (in response to joema3)
From: "joema3
I just installed LR4 and am appalled at how slow the Library module is
when sequentially stepping through photos.
Have you created your previews? If you are allowing LR to create the
previews as you step through the library, it will be slow. But if you
created your standard previews on import, or just did it by selecting build
previews from the library menu, it should be much faster.
Bob Frost
417. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowfalschrum Mar 26, 2012 2:29 AM (in response to BCormier)
Same here. Rubbish performance on my system. LR3 was very fast but LR4 is just slow and often crashes without a reason.
The overall system performance is also rubbish when i export pictures. In LR3 it was possible to run two export batches at one time without issues working in windows or surfin the web. With LR4 everything slows down. Even my cursor ist struggelin.
Dell Precision T3500, Intel Xeon 2,4 GHz, 12 GB RAM, All Data on an OCZ Vertex 2.
I´ll switch back to LR3 until Adobe will release a real final. LR4 looks for me just like a pay-beta.
418. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowacresofgreen Mar 26, 2012 11:20 AM (in response to BCormier)
I was really looking forward to upgrading to LR 4 from LR 3, but this thread has convinced me to hold off for the time being or until I buy a new high-end computer, which won't be any time soon.
419. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowBob Gates Mar 26, 2012 12:20 PM (in response to acresofgreen)
I just upgraded and found that when using a slider nothing happened until I clicked to enlarge the image, the the change kicked in. I mean I could wait forever, just nothing happened. I found the advice to export to a new catalogue, remove all previews and clear the cache and so far everything seems to be working ok. On a fast Windows machine.
420. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowjoema3 Mar 26, 2012 12:34 PM (in response to bob frost)
bob frost wrote:
Have you created your previews? If you are allowing LR to create the
previews as you step through the library, it will be slow. But if you
created your standard previews on import, or just did it by selecting build
previews from the library menu, it should be much faster.
Bob Frost
Thanks, selecting build standard previews during import, or afterward via Library>Previews>RenderStandard-Sized Previews reduced the "next photo" lag from about 3.3 sec to about 0.1 sec for standard size viewing. However -- if I click magnify once (default 1:2) then next photo takes about 3.3 sec.
Building 1:1 previews makes "next photo" in 1:2 magnification take about 0.6 sec (down from 3.3 sec). At zoom-to-fit or zoom-to-fill, it's about as fast (0.1 sec) as using standard previews. So ensuring the previews are built improves browsing speed for non-magnified views from intolerable to good (at least on my hardware).
Note these are 5MB .jpg files, not gigantic images or raw files.
The free Picasa photo viewer is almost instantly fast, and requires no configuration tuning and no preview building. However Picasa Viewer cannot do prev/next when zoomed in. The 3rd-party FastPictureViewer ver 1.7 (despite the name) is also sluggish on next/prev browsing of these images. Even Photo Mechanic 4.6.8 (what many pros use) isn't always super fast doing next/prev browsing. LR4 is actually faster for non-magnified next/prev browsing. CorelAfterShot Pro 188.8.131.52 is fairly quick. FastOne 4.6 is ironically not that fast. ACDSee 14.1 is lightning fast -- the only viewer I've seen that's fast as Picasa (maybe even faster).
So several "fast" image browsers (not just LR4) aren't that fast. I fail to grasp why makers of specialize image browsing/catalogging software don't prioritize fluid, responsive, lag-free image browsing. If you're dealing with ingesting and culling thousands of images -- despite whatever else the software does -- it must be fast for next/prev browsing.
If you deal with lots of images, I'd suggest using Picasa Viewer or ACDSee as the 1st phase of image evaluation, before it even gets to LR4. That will use the fastest software on the highest volume. Then import what's left to LR4, ensuring previews are built as described above.
LR4 browsing speed for non-magnified views isn't that bad on my machine, assuming previews are built. So far I haven't see the "sluggish slider" behavior others have reported.
421. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowhamish niven Mar 26, 2012 1:38 PM (in response to acresofgreen)
Its comments like this one
acresofgreen wrote:
I was really looking forward to upgrading to LR 4 from LR 3, but this thread has convinced me to hold off for the time being or until I buy a new high-end computer, which won't be any time soon.
that the marketing department should really look at and say "Ohh xxxx we've gotta sort this out AND tell people we are"
And not just a post on a thread in the bug notification forum.
422. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowclvrmnky Mar 26, 2012 5:10 PM (in response to hamish niven)
This is a good a time as any to remind folks that user-to-user forums are extremely self-selecting. You cannot use these, or any other user forum, to get an unbiased view of the temperature, as it were, of a specific release.
The great majority of users are not having problems described here. Adobe is looking into the clearest reports they have, and have already issued a statement that may help some people experiencing specific performance issues. I'm sure there will be more to follow.
But, the fact is that Lightroom has consistently run well on modest equipment since v.1. However, given the wide range of environments it is expected to work in, there is bound to be situations like this that show up from time to time.
Plainly put: there is no reason to not upgrade to v.4, unless there is a specific issue that you know will affect you. It is not possible to come up with an estimate of how it will work on your hardware with your dataset based on a survey of user forums. Fortunately, you can upgrade and use Lr 4 for a month and find out for yourself. The only cost is that you might have to recreate your previews if you go back to your (untouched by Lr 4) Lr 3 catalogue permanently. Since previews contain no precious information (assuming you still have your originals, which should be the case; if you don't have your originals, you probably have bigger problems to deal with) why not just blow them away and start with fresh previews in Lr 4 anyway?
I understand that user forums often become a place for people to vent, but no one should be confusing the collection of reports here as anything remotely coherent or telling in any manner. Only Adobe Support might have the hard numbers necessary to actually spot trends.
423. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowquenton8 Mar 26, 2012 5:21 PM (in response to clvrmnky)
Well written and thought out comment.
My analysis too is that the majority of people do not have serious problems (the tone curve issue asside, that was real and a workaround has been provided).
Given the complexity of programs in the last few years, and the variations in hardware (almost infinite), it is diffcult to impossible to assure that systems work on
all possible configurations, variations, versions etc.
So yes there will be some problems. You may be able to work them out yourself, or with help of others on the forums, or you may have to wait a bit for updates and information from the development group. BUT!! its no different for adobe than microsoft or any other supplier. We have had similar issues with one of our clients who has strange performance problems that no other clients have -- we don't know what it is yet, although we have a couple of things that help -- sounds much like the LR4 issues.
424. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowebrslong Mar 26, 2012 5:41 PM (in response to clvrmnky)
I have been fighting an issue with the Export module causing LR 4 to crash, and in the ptocess of trying to figure out if it was me or them, I did some experimentation, which is directly related to the concerns many have stated about LR4 performacne.
I had no problems with LR 4 performance at all. I was using the 64 Bit version, and it just worked great, and there was no impact on sstem performance, including cursor response.
When I started getting the export crashes, and couldn't get them to stop, I installed the 32 bit LR 4 as well as the 64 bit version. The irst thing I noticed was that the 32 Bit version is a terrible CPU hog, During any exports, the CPU - all 4 cores - ran at 100% for a minutes at a time, dopping occasionally to lower CPU usage. Didn't matter if I was using the jfriedl plug-ins for Photobucket and facebook, or did a Hard Drive export; the CPU Usage pattern was the same; indicating he problem was with the rendering engine as it was converting the photos from Raw to jpg files.
Just on a whim, i retried the 64 bit version - wonder of wonders - i was once again able to export with the 64 Bit version. I rechecked how it performed on the same exports. Much faster, with no major CPU hogging, no impact on cursor movement, and only occasional high CP{U usage - about one second per photo, adn then not over 80%.
Certainly, at least part of the performance imapcts I saw was from running 32 bit executables in a 64 bit environment. However, I think there may also be an issue with the 32 bit version causing excessive periods of high CPU usage.
I will continue to use the 64 bit version everywhere I can, and if the problem with theexport module reappears, i will jump over to the 32 bit version for taht function.
425. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowhillrg Mar 26, 2012 8:29 PM (in response to clvrmnky)
clvrmnky wrote:
The great majority of users are not having problems described here. Adobe is looking into the clearest reports they have, and have already issued a statement that may help some people experiencing specific performance issues. I'm sure there will be more to follow.
I would suggest this is an unwarranted assumption on your part. Perhaps the great majority of users simply put up with the problems or just decide to ditch LR? This is the nightmare for any service related business - no feedback. I am a good example - I am having many of the performance issues after using v 1-3 without issues. I have a ton of experience with LR and have reviewed all the performance enhancement options. However, I have not commented until now, just waiting for something to happen, or revert to 3.6. I have to disable the detail panel to get any reasonable slider performance.
As Joema3 said:
I fail to grasp why makers of specialize image browsing/catalogging software don't prioritize fluid, responsive, lag-free image browsing. If you're dealing with ingesting and culling thousands of images -- despite whatever else the software does -- it must be fast for next/prev browsing.
Adobe really needs to figure this out. I would like the option to review the embedded jpg images for culling aka the import module. Problem with the import module pulling embedded jpg from a flash card just cannot keep up - although photo mechanic can...
Seems a shame to me that I prefer to use a third party image browser to cull instead of LR. When I show LR to others it is a little embarrassing to say "you just have to wait for all the previews to be built - should be done in 15-20 minutes...". Then I'll delete all the ones I imported but don't want. I usually get a raised eyebrow about then, especially from picassa or photo mechanic users.
426. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowA C G Mar 27, 2012 1:41 AM (in response to hillrg)
"Seems a shame to me that I prefer to use a third party image browser to cull instead of LR"
Touche. I do all my sorting using BreezeBrowser which was the RAW converter I bought when I first converted to digital in 2002.
Likewise the creation of my web folders. BB is so much faster.
427. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowfrankc1978 Mar 27, 2012 2:56 AM (in response to BCormier)
Just installed and tried photoshop cs6 beta. i tried the new adobe camaera raw with x64 bit and hey man, this thing is FAST. compared to lr4 adobe camera raw is nearly as twice so fast than lightroom. unbelievable. for now camera raw is my preferred raw engine. amazing. can not belive they use the same engine. happy now with adobe camera raw, still very sad about lightroom.
428. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowMarceloTrad Mar 27, 2012 4:55 PM (in response to BCormier)
I´m dealing with a lot of slowness and freeze up performance (if you could call it performance) in LR4...Just wonder: what are these guys doing over there at Adobe Labs? Too much Facebook for them maybe?
Because I´m trying hard to work here and make a livin out of photography.
Have said that, I have a Q6600 quad core with Nvidia GTX8800 +8gb ram and no antivirus or other program that would slow down my performance (just work computer only)...also have a raid 0 with two 7200rpm disks.
Noticed that no matter if I put pictures on external e-sata disk and import and use it from there or on my hard drive, still slow.
When I try to use with a Bamboo Connect.........just terrible!
I felt like setting my whole table on fire after trying to edit a catalog with no more than 50 pictures on it...ajusts on the sliders are imprecise as they are so slow!
I noticed a increase in my work hors more than 30% definately...
Gave away my LR3 and I´m almoast calling Adobe and returning my LR4 and using LR3 until they come up with a solution...
Maybe the price droped and quality of the programers also droped this time...
Sorry Adobe, but I´m realy desapointed with this problems.
429. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowJao vdL Mar 27, 2012 6:27 PM (in response to MarceloTrad)
When I try to use with a Bamboo Connect.........just terrible!
Sounds like the tablet bugs are still there. A quick google reveals this: http://www.lightroomforums.net/showthread.php?14184-Wacom-Bamboo-Pen-problem
I don't use one of these but Lightroom has a long history of really really badly interfering with drivers from wacom tablets. Some people can get this to work apparently but it is all very precarious. You often have to make absolutely sure you're running the very latest drivers for the tablet.
430. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowMarceloTrad Mar 27, 2012 7:06 PM (in response to Jao vdL)
I´m running the latest drivers and of course the latest software...It´s
just a pain.
Other programs like Photoshop, Bridge, end even Capture One or Nikon
Software does not lag at all with Wacom tablets.
They actualy tend to guet better as new versions are released. Even Windows
is getting faster...Vista was terrible, 7 is great, 8 seems to be even
better and faster.
I´m hoping they come outr with a solution to this Lr4 issues soon.
Oh, I was editing a video footage on Lr4. Ok got to love this possability.
I "saved" the metadata a couple of times (always do that to make sure) and
deleated everything since I was moving the whole project to a new laptop
computer. Surprise surprise...none of the cliping/rating/color tag came
with it!
Asked the question to Adobe and they said that Lr4 does not save metadata
for video files.
So let´s think about this: one of the Lr4 and Lr in general greatest
features is the ability of doing this sort of thing, tag rate and so on.
And you can see videos but canot do any taging.
Thanks for leting us know ahead of time Adobe, you just could save me more
than 12 hours of work.
So I found a way of bypass this...just do your cliping and rating and save
a catalog after just fot that job or the way you like better.
Oh well I might sound like a complainer but I´m not...just had too many
disapointment with Lr4 and need to let it out!
Marcelo Trad
431. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowtfitz100 Mar 27, 2012 8:25 PM (in response to BCormier)
I'm wondering something. Do the users seeing 100% spike in CPU, who have multi-core/cpu systems see the spikes in ALL of those cores/cpus or a single core/cpu? I am now wondering if this is actually a process/thread scheduling problem that show's itself only under certain conditions in LR4.
The reason I ask thiis is because I DO see a slowdown when I use the Adjustment brush with Tint (no idea why it's just this), but when this does happen, I see 1 single core spike and the rest are relatively idle, almost zero really. However, when I perform other functions, it appears that the other cores raise up slightly when I peform adjustments, but not 1 single core as in the adjustment brush case.
I would be interested to see the results of what is happening to other users when they see the slowdown: What is happening in each core/cpu (depending on your system)?
432. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowkiddid Mar 27, 2012 9:08 PM (in response to BCormier)
Giant Company selling/charging user for it's beta software, user should have protection from this kind of transaction..
433. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowjoshnl77 Mar 27, 2012 9:33 PM (in response to BCormier)
Just to throw in my own observations after having used the trial version for about 2.5 weeks now:
The library module is fine. Once the previews have been generated, everything is snappy enough.
Switching to the develop module usually takes a few seconds when it's the first time after starting up the software; but after that, it's a relatively smooth transition (although sometimes switching back to library module is a bit choppy).
In the develop module, things are generally okay, except in the following conditions: (a) heavy use of the brush tool and (b) working on high ISO images (i.e. in the range of 3200). I haven't done too, too much with the brush tool in LR4 yet, but I can say that, very reproducibly, as soon as I start working on a high ISO image, the program comes to a crawl - it's virtually unusable, and would be absolutely unusable in a situation where high productivity is needed. When I say that it comes to a crawl, I mean switching from image to image in the develop module, using pretty much any slider, zooming in and out, applying sharpening/NR, applying lens correction, using curves, etc. As soon as I switch back to a low ISO image (400 or lower), it's all good again.
In the case of all images (regardless of ISO), sharpening/NR are much, much slower than they were in LR3.6. In LR3.6, switching on and off the "details" (using the toggle switch) results in an almost instantaneous change. In the case of LR4, it generally takes a good 5 seconds or so for the effect to kick in (making it very difficult to judge the before and after).
BTW, all this was done on a fresh catalog, created in LR4. However, LR3.6 is also installed on my system, and I did have the LR4 beta on there as well (but I uninstalled this before installing the full trial version).
In terms of my system specs:
i7-950 OC'ed to ~3.4GHz; 12GB RAM (rated 1600MHz; set at 1500MHz); AMD Radeon HD6870; LR catalog and photos on caviar black 1TB; cache on a separate black caviar 1TB; LR itself installed on my C drive, which is a Vertex 2 120GB SSD; running two, sometimes three monitors (but LR only running on one, i.e. not using second or third monitor); Win7 x64
Camera specs: Canon 7D, using RAW files
To be fair, another thing to point out is that it's not as if LR3 was always problem-free for me. Especially in earlier versions, it had it's slow moments (this problem seems to have improved in more recent version of LR3); but not nearly as bad as LR4 is.
Hope this helps in terms of solving this issue, which is very significant for some.
434. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowA C G Mar 28, 2012 12:11 AM (in response to BCormier)
Foregive me if this link has been posted here.
For safety I will risk repetition:-
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom_4_update_from_the_team_upd ate_scheduled_for_this_week
435. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowTR3znor Mar 28, 2012 1:28 AM (in response to BCormier)
Hi All,
I've exactly the same problems with LR4 performance as most of you (dual screen users).
My hardware:
AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.2 @ 3.8
16GB of 1600MHz RAM
HDD - WD20EARS couple of times ;-) (unfortunately not SSD)
But there is one significant difference. As RAW (NEF) files from my D90 and D700 are rendering smoothly without any lags, RAWs from D70 (while working on dual screen ONLY) are just killing my CPU. I've 1-2s lag every 5s. It's horrible! And quite hard to explain. Any ideas maybe?
436. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowRa8b1t Mar 28, 2012 3:15 AM (in response to BCormier)
Same here, dual or single screen doesn't matter. Performance is well below of what I got in LR3. Tried hints and tips, have a "virgin" LR4 installation now with catalog created from scratch, using DNG only, no improvement.
437. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowMarceloTrad Mar 28, 2012 6:18 AM (in response to Ra8b1t)
I've read that Lr4 beta is actualy faster then the final thing?
Just had to try it out myself and yes it is! Develop module is 50% faster...
To prove again my point I did put a fresh Windows 7 on a SSD and without
any other programs (not even Office) I intaled Lr4 final and imported the
same photos from Lr4 Beta on my used and full of programs Windows 7...yet
it was slower!
So they did mess it up at some point after beta version!
Marcelo Trad
438. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowgadgetgeek Mar 28, 2012 9:08 AM (in response to tfitz100)
My Core 2 extreme system with multiple cores spikes to almost 100%, hitting
all cores.
Sent from my iPhone
439. Re: Lightroom 4 is slowjoema3 Mar 28, 2012 10:23 AM (in response to gadgetgeek)
gadgetgeek wrote:
My Core 2 extreme system with multiple cores spikes to almost 100%, hitting
all cores.
BTW, taking 100% CPU is not by itself wrong or bad. In general you want all available CPU resources used to get the job done faster. If all cores are at 100% and it's still slow, that's bad. Alternatively if it's CPU-bound (not disk or I/O-bound), slow, yet all cores are *not* being used, that's bad. It indicates available CPU assets are not being used, typically because the app is poorly multi-threaded. In that case you often see a single CPU pegged, but an aggregate CPU meter averaging all cores shows a lower percentage. In general recent upper-echelon Adobe apps use multiple threads/cores pretty well, esp. Premiere Pro/Photoshop CS5 and later. I don't know what happened to LR4.


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First, a disclaimer: I expect that the following post will draw one or more comments that state the following theme, or variations on it: "The problem with this post is that this news story really isn't an example of journalists failing to 'get religion.' This is just a messed up story. Period." When someone makes that comment I will tell them that I understand their point of view and part of me even agrees with them.
However, I am going to write the post anyway (with a strong hat tip to The Daily Caller, the website that first noted this bizarre example of what is almost certainly political correctness at the copy-desk level).
Don't get me wrong. This particular Associated Press mini-story does involve religion -- big time.
This story also contains an error linked to an infamous international network that, to say the least, is linked to religious extremism -- big time.
But the error itself? Take a look at the following, which is most of the AP report in question. If there is a longer version of the story, please feel free to share it.
NEW YORK (AP) -- A mock movie poster warns al-Qaida wants to return to New York City, but authorities say there's no evidence of an actual threat.
Investigators learned about the online amateur graphic on Monday. The graphic shows the Manhattan skyline at sunset with "Al Qaeda" in bold type followed by "Coming Soon Again in New York."
Al-Qaida has been blamed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, which destroyed the World Trade Center and killed thousands of people.
New York Police Department spokesman Paul Browne says an overseas, Arab-language Internet site posted the graphic on its "artwork and design" page. He says the NYPD has been monitoring the site.
So, how many of you read right through that third paragraph and then paused, before zipping back to read it again? Perhaps you then said, "Al-Qaida HAS BEEN BLAMED" for Sept. 11? Say what?
That is a very strange way to state the facts that have been reported time and time again and, oh by the way, confirmed by the voices that speak for this terrorist network. As The Daily Caller noted:
Though conspiracy theorists have suggested that other entities may have been behind 9/11, even al-Qaida has mocked such theories. Shortly after the 10th anniversary in 2011, al-Qaida responded -- in an editorial in al-Qaida's English language "Inspire" magazine -- to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's suggestion that the United States itself may have been responsible:
"Why would Iran ascribe to such a ridiculous belief that stands in the face of all logic and evidence?" al-Qaida asked. "For them, al-Qaida was a competitor for the hearts and minds of the disenfranchised Muslims around the world ... [Al-Qaida] succeeded in what Iran couldn't. Therefore it was necessary for the Iranians to discredit 9/11 and what better way to do so? Conspiracy theories."
When asked by the Caller about this strange, passive, "has been blamed" wording, the PR pro for the Associated Press emailed back: "We don't doubt that AQ was behind 9/11."
Good to know.
Now, GetReligion readers, here is my question: What is a simple, short, precise, accurate, easily attributable wording that the Associated Press could have used in this case? Does anyone out there want to play copy editor on this one?
IMAGE: The fake movie poster, care of the New York City Police department.