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Using Cassini Raw Images, An Update
Using Cassini Raw Images, An Update
Jan 27 2007, 11:47 AM
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Over the past 3 years, we've been fortunate enough to have an ever expanding library of nearly 200,000 images from the Mars Exploration Rovers thrown onto the web as uncalibrated JPG's for enthusiasts like ourselves to get our teeth in to. The success of this is written on the walls of UMSF and elsewhere, and most remarkably, the scientists and engineers involved were pleased to see people getting their hands on 'their' data. Jim Bell even commented on Planetary Radio in November '05 :
"The team really appreciates the public support, and we put the images out there every day on marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov and people download them and make their own mosaics and panoramas and do their own analysis and we think that's great - it's great to have the public along for the ride"
Cassini followed suit and after some trouble getting images that were not overly stretched the workflow was sorted out and amazing images have been making it onto the JPL website ever since. From time to time we've seen some great results - mosaics, colour composites, animation - great work and a fantastic credit to the Cassini team, their policy of putting images online and the example set by MER.
However - over the last 18 months or so there have been some rumours and unpleasant undertones regarding Cassini imagery. Some enthusiasts who have created amazing images found that their creations were not universally appreciated. There seemed to be an unspoken 'look but don't touch' policy in place regarding the raw JPG's and thus they stopped working with Cassini imagery or took down bits of their websites and so on.
Over the past year or so, the UMSF mod and admin team have been discussing this, and recently we contacted JPL for clarification. Could we find some way to give people the confidence to get creative with the Cassini images as they have with MER images? I want to thank the Cassini outreach team for responding to us so positively and for everyone involved in helping us establish in writing what we all hoped was true, but were perhaps a little unsure of. I'm happy to report that the Cassini images are out there for us to use and enjoy in exactly the same way we do with MER imagery.
To confirm that - recently there has been an addition to the text on the Raw Images page saturn.jpl.nasa.gov
"Welcome to the Cassini raw image section, where the Cassini mission and Cassini outreach are happy to provide these raw images for the public to use and enjoy. ... "
As with MER - if you do something with the Cassini images - you should cite where the data comes from. For MER it has always been NASA/JPL/Cornell and for Cassini it should be NASA/JPL/Space Science Institute. For those of you that may have had concerns or doubts about getting thoroughly stuck in to the Cassini imagery, then you can put those fears aside and get stuck in - to cite a senior Cassini team member:
"Our intent in creating the raw image page was to accomplish exactly what Jim Bell said for the MER Project. The public is paying the bill for this, so we should be doing everything we can to help them enjoy the ride"
So - crack open your photo editing software and start exploring Saturn!
Thanks to Alice and the team at JPL for helping us with this, and personal thanks to the rest of the mod and admin team who, as ever, knew the rights words to say at the right time.
Feb 11 2007, 11:14 PM
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Interesting to hear today that CICLOPS may soon be posting "amateur" enthusiast processed raw images on their site.
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Feb 12 2007, 07:10 AM
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To confirm what Doug report, I just received last ciclops mail update where Carolyn Porco tells:
"we will soon be setting up, under Sector 6, a page where we will
post the Cassini image products created by non-Cassini, `amateur' image
analysts from the raw images that we make available to the public. This
will be done in a similar vein to the Art Room, where we post the
contributions of astronomical artists. Right now, these image products
are being shared among Cassini fans in other places here and there on
the internet. But I would like to give those of you interested in this
activity a chance to post your creations to a central location on the
CICLOPS site, which (as you can imagine) gets many visitors per month
and hence great visibility. Once we set up the pipeline within CICLOPS
to support your contributions, we will send out another announcement.
So, stay tuned for that."
Seems great!
I always think before posting! - Marco -
Feb 12 2007, 08:36 AM
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Actually the Sector 6 news is a new, very suprising but welcome development over and above what was discussed with JPL.
Feb 12 2007, 08:59 AM
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Yeah, talk about a plot twist...
I'm curious, how's it going to work out with amateur raw composites? They'd have to release older stuff to avoid clashing with their own releases using new data. Amateurs will usually beat the team to a pretty mosaic and stuff.
Feb 12 2007, 09:50 PM
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This is really quite good news. I wasn't aware of the background developments described by Doug. I am on their email list and got that message too. The reworked web site is more interesting now, and I am optimistic about the future. I registered as an Alliance member while there, and spent some time looking around. There is some pretty nice artwork, among other things.
I wonder about the people here who work with Cassini imagery. Will you folks also post your work at the Ciclops site when they open that section? I have only dabbled with the Cassini imagery so far, but I may take up Doug's challenge and see what I can learn.
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Feb 22 2007, 01:46 AM
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To all of you from Carolyn Porco...
February 21, 2007
Dear UMSF members,
Hello to all of you. It is a pleasure to finally `make your acquaintances'.
I don't believe I've ever posted anything to this website in the past. The little I know about what goes on here I know because the individuals working with me in CICLOPS have, from time to time, pointed out to me posts that they think would be of interest. As I am quite busy, they know not to do this often.
But recently, they pointed out to me a post by D. Ellison, the moderator of this site, concerning the use of Cassini raw images, that alluded to some `unpleasant' undertones regarding this issue. Since then, I have had communications with some of you to try to understand the real issues behind this statement.
I have learned that there seems to be a general impression -- I will say, rumor -- going around that I am very unhappy that people are working with and processing our images to make their own products, like mosaics and movies, and have made it known that I am not pleased.
I was very saddened to learn this. I don't believe there is a PI anywhere who has worked harder and with greater enthusiasm at trying to serve the public by giving them the opportunity to `go along for the ride'. I believe you only have to look at the care given in creating and maintaining the CICLOPS website, and in particular to my Captain's Logs going all the way back to Earth/Moon flyby, to know this. And I hope our eagerness is also obvious by how we at CICLOPS have presented, as quickly as workforce and resources will allow, and as appealingly, artfully and carefully as we can, the results of our imaging experiment. After our obligations to do uplink and downlink operations, nothing means more to us. So, to learn that the impression made on the public has been in fact the opposite was a great personal disappointment to me.
As it turns out, this `rumor' you have heard is a bad mangling of the truth and the facts, and it is obvious that the air needs to be cleared. Hence, this post.
I'll begin by giving you some history. When we Cassini scientists were first selected back on November 13, 1990, no one was talking of releasing raw images to the public. It had never been done. Nonetheless, as a former Voyager imaging scientist, and also as someone with a great deal of experience and interest in communicating science to the public, I had every intention from the beginning of my tenure as Imaging Team leader of doing the best job possible at publicly presenting our images. In one of my first `speeches' to the Imaging Team in 1991, I spelled out my intention for all of us Cassini imaging scientists to use our cameras, whenever possible, for taking `Photo Ops' -- images that were just beautiful, artful compositions -- and to take advantage of our healthy downlink to Earth to make movies of every time-variable phenomenon we could....something that Voyager did to a limited extent and Galileo, sadly, couldn't.
[An aside: The first Photo Op I ever suggested to the Cassini Project, a movie of the Moon going around the Earth as Cassini was departing the Earth after launch, was denied. The first real Photo Op we ever actually took was the Greatest Jupiter Portrait: ie, it was inserted into the timeline for the express purpose of making the most sensational portrait of Jupiter yet seen. And as many of you know, we took many beautiful movies of the Jovian atmosphere, orbiting moons, and Io aurorae. And now our Photo Ops (or Kodak Moments as some of them are called) and movies are standard fare. And at Saturn, many of the images taken for scientific reasons turn out to be gorgeous compositions anyway. We are indeed fortunate to be where we are, surrounded by so much beauty.]
The idea for releasing raw Cassini images to the public was brought up as we were approaching Saturn. The issue was discussed on the Imaging Team. No one expressed opposition to the idea of members of the public, per se, having access to the images, though to be honest, at that time we didn't realize that people would be interested in processing our images to make mosaics and the like out of them. All the concerns expressed about the matter had solely to do with scientific propriety: ie, since the images would be, obviously, available to other non-Cassini scientists as well, would public release make us vulnerable to being scooped?
Maybe it's not possible for someone who hasn't dedicated 14 years of his/her life to a single goal to truly understand this. But scientists don't live the lives they live for money or fame. All we want is the joy and credit of making discoveries. It's the main currency in our business. It is our lifeblood. So, the idea of being scooped at something we had worked so hard for, for so long, was a painful one indeed.
Nonetheless, just about everyone went along with the public release, so long as the images would be compressed and so long as it was made clear to the world that the images were not meant to be used for science. I believe this has been done.
I understand that comparisons have been made between the release of MER images and Cassini images. Such comparisons are not appropriate.
A very large fraction -- and I would claim, the major fraction -- of the results coming out of MER are derived from what that team's compositional analyses. Yes, MER observed concretions (`blueberries') which indicate formation in a liquid, and there is evidence in the sedimentary layers observed in the walls of some crater (I forget which) for ripples made not by wind but by water. But, the real hard-core evidence for the presence of surface liquid water, which is the BIG result coming out of MER, derives from the detailed analyses of the other instruments' data, when put in context with the images. Without the former, the results from the latter would be much less conclusive. The MER Team didn't have to worry about being scooped in their big discoveries, because no member of the public or the outside scientific community gets their hands on the MER compositional results except the MER team.
In the case of Cassini, if you are an imaging team member, the images are all she wrote. All of our scientific investigations that, for 14 years, we have long planned to do, and for which we were selected for membership on the Imaging Team, are *completely* derived from the images. Hence, whatever concern the team had about the release of raw images to the public had to do with this issue and this issue alone.
So, I hope you can see why, right off the bat, the Cassini Imaging Team would be more anxious about publicly releasing our images than the MER team.
On the subject of image products, once it became obvious to us that you folks were making such products with Cassini images, no one found that particularly disturbing, though we at CICLOPS (whose job it is to process images for public release) did feel pressure to work even faster in getting our own official products out. We didn't like the extra pressure -- I mean, we're working like crazy as it is -- but honestly, as someone who wants nothing more than for the public to feel the thrill and adventure that we feel in this great ride around Saturn, I was happy to see others so enjoying the fruits of our labor. It's like throwing a party and having LOTS of people come to join you in having an enjoyable time. Who wouldn't like that?
However, what did in fact disturb us at CICLOPS greatly, and the source of all of the misunderstanding surrounding this issue, was the fact that very public sites, like APOD and The Planetary Society, which we here at CICLOPS regard as the `grey media' were posting the amateur products. Why, you ask, would we find this upsetting? Let me try to explain.
Going back to the party analogy, imagine sending out an invitation to a party, describing how fantastically wonderful your party will be, working for weeks on end making all the arrangements for this party, expecting to have a big blow-out that no one will ever forget, and then having all your invitees go instead to the party next door. That would be pretty deflating, wouldn't it?
Now, instead of party and all I've described above, imagine it's not weeks but 14 years of very hard work, requiring enormously long periods of time during which you had to clear the decks of everything, including any semblance of a normal life, to achieve success. And that one of the things you *most* looked forward to, from all your hard work, was presenting to the world the best, most beautiful, most memorable images anyone had seen. In other words, having the world come to your party. And after all your hard work, someone else cuts you out of the equation, throws a party without you. After all your hard work, someone else presents your work to the world.
I ask you: Would *you* be disappointed?
Well, I certainly was. And I've been very clear in letting APOD and TPS know this. And I specifically said to both that I had no problem with people using the images and posting to their own personal sites or to non-official, non-`media' sites. But our very strong feeling here is that the media sites have an obligation to present CICLOPS' official image products to the world. And we still feel this way. After all, once a news story is out, no news outlet will touch it again. We know this, everyone knows this, and it is the same with image products. Hence, our stance on this matter.
[I will take this opportunity to state publicly that I was especially angered by members of TPS hawking our spoke images around the annual meeting of the Division of Planetary Sciences, a *professional meeting*, before we, the Imaging Team, got to officially announce sighting of the spokes to our scientific colleagues. That was simply unforgivable.]
Unfortunately, my strong words to APOD and TPS have been mangled and used to convey the wrong impression, that I didn't want anyone to enjoy our images. And as a result, I see that some of you have expressed `surprise' that CICLOPS is soon going to invite submission of amateur Cassini products for posting to our site.
I hope now you realize that there is no reason for you to be surprised, that our intent is and always has been for everyone to enjoy what we are doing at Saturn, and that if making amateur products is what you like to do, then you can submit them and have them posted to our site. We will welcome you. Furthermore, you can expect to enjoy interaction with the very scientists who have made those images possible...thereby avoiding a lot of unnecessary time speculating about what the images are revealing or the significance of the science. To do any of this, you will need to join the CICLOPS Alliance. We already have hundreds of members, and we look forward to your participation.
I have had great plans for our CICLOPS website from the beginning of this adventure. Over these past Christmas holidays, when we had more discretionary time than usual, we made great strides in updating our site. And we plan to do a lot more. So stay tuned for that.
Because you are a collection of humans, and human characteristics generally follow the usual statistical principles, most of you will completely understand this, and some of you won't give a damn. So be it.
I just wanted all of you to hear this `from the horse's mouth' instead of relying on behind-the-scenes gossiping and rumors.
In the future, if there are any questions about issues having to do with Cassini images, I would suggest that, instead of wasting your valuable time discussing things in this forum that might simply be wrong, just ask me. My email address is at the bottom of every CICLOPS home page: firstname.lastname@example.com .
In the meantime, on behalf of the imaging team and the CICLOPS' staff members, we hope you join us.
Best to all of you,
Carolyn Porco
Cassini Imaging Team Leader
Space Science Institute
Boulder, CO
Feb 22 2007, 02:03 PM
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Hi folks. This is Dusty from #space on irc.freenode.net. Over the last few years it has been my honor to get to know the Cassini team somewhat, and have learned firsthand that they are forthcoming, honest and share our passion for space exploration.
I typically do not post on UMSF, and in fact this is only my second post, but I peruse this forum, and appreciate all of your discussions.
The complete fiasco that has resulted from the recent innuendos and rumours has one common thread. We all love space, and the amazing science that humanity can produce, and we all want to continue that voyage of discovery together.
This has been a serious issue for me because even though my images are pretty ugly, something is learned with each experiment involving both Cassini and the MER imagery. While not as technically able as a lot of you (slinted,Doug,Cosmicrocker,Dilo et al.) every image i color teaches me something. Therefore, it was disturbing to see the waters of calm roiled by all of this.
I have nothing against anyone, and I intend to trust the Ciclops folks. Heck, they got us this far didn't they?
As enthusiasts I hope and pray that we can come together in good faith and extend trust and faith to the Ciclops site.
It is really quite a testament to their openness and desire to dialog that they are represented here directly. That should be lauded, and appreciated....
Hopefully some middle ground can be found wherever that may be, here, or on Ciclops where we can all come together.
Flame wars and fighting is not productive, and only serves to weaken all of us.
I hope that we can all extend the hand of good faith to the Ciclops site, and through bridge building and increased trust strike a balance and forge a ground-breaking type of interaction with the Cassini team. All of this is very possible. The recipe for success calls for trust and cool heads. We need to maintain a dialog with the Ciclops guys, and they have shown a very real and tangible desire for dialog and discussion.
Hopefully we can all apply trust and give it an honest shot here, and on Freenode.
I intend to.
Feb 22 2007, 02:46 PM
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I appreciate Carolyn taking so much time to explain her position to us. I have just joined 'Sector 6' and look forward to seeing it develop.
I was a little concerned to read that the Cassini raw images are 'not meant to be used for science'. It is difficult to look at pictures of strange distant places and not have thoughts about what they might mean. When people on this forum exchange such thoughts and possibly arrive at new insights are they 'doing science?' I hope not . . . er, no, I mean . . .
Seriously, It shouldn't be too hard to avoid spoiling Carolyn's party.
It's another sentence from her post that strikes the biggest chord with me:
We are indeed fortunate to be where we are, surrounded by so much beauty
Feb 22 2007, 02:47 PM
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I must say that having Carolyn Porco's opinion is a must here. She says that APOD and TPS are "real media" and her post confirm that UNMSF (us) is very important in her mind too. That's great great news.
It's always essential to read arguments from both sides.
The situation looks clear to my eyes and looks more as a misunderstanding than something else.
Let's continue our journey in the Saturnian system.
Feb 22 2007, 02:56 PM
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Actually she says APOD and TPS are "grey media" which I don't fully understand, but I take it to mean something of a media not using exclusively "official" channels to get information. It seems to me the thing that bothers them is not that these sites post raw image products, but that they get a lot of exposure. Which makes me wonder if they'd feel the same about UMSF if it were as well-known.
Just my 2c.
Feb 22 2007, 03:45 PM
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I'll confirm that Dr. Porco has repeatedly asked for me not to post amateur-produced products on The Planetary Society's website. Each time, I have contacted Cassini Mission public information and/or project management staff and asked for clarification of the Mission's policy regarding fair use of the raw images. Each time, the Mission has confirmed that amateur-produced images, whether produced by me or others, whether they are mosaics, color combinations, or animations, or any description of them, constitute fair use of the raw images, and they say they are happy for me to post them. Thus this discussion results from a fundamental disagreement between Dr. Porco and her project management over the use of the Cassini ISS images. It has been extremely uncomfortable to be in the middle of this conflict between a senior scientist and mission management. In order to avoid this conflict, for about a year, I sharply cut back my coverage of the Cassini mission. But thanks to the recently updated public notice of the Mission's policy on the raw images home page, I have been emboldened to start posting them again. I am sorry to cause pain to anyone but I either have to avoid talking about Cassini or make a choice between these two sides, and in this case I prefer to err on the side of celebrating the current activities of the Cassini mission as well as the fine work of amateurs and professionals alike by making use of the publicly posted raw images. I hope that Dr. Porco and her management can come to a private resolution of this issue soon.
I would like to address the argument that little valid science can be done with Mars Exploration Rover Pancam images alone. There are a number of examples, like rock size/shape/frequency distributions, layer morphology, etc. that could be done with Pancam images alone. However, Pancam images are rarely used for science on their own in large part because of the (sadly) unusual level of cooperation among instrument teams on the Mars Exploration Rover mission; there is no need to attempt to use only images to make discoveries with MER. And the (in my view) blockbuster discovery of the Cassini mission -- the geologic activity of Enceladus -- was made by all Cassini instruments working together.
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Feb 22 2007, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE (Dr. Porco)
Maybe it's not possible for someone who hasn't dedicated 14 years of his/her life to a single goal to truly understand this. But scientists don't live the lives they live for money or fame. All we want is the joy and credit of making discoveries. It's the main currency in our business. It is our lifeblood. So, the idea of being scooped at something we had worked so hard for, for so long, was a painful one indeed.
I wonder if it is really possible to scoop the mission scientists. Even though an amatuer on this site first publicly speculated about the plumes of Enceladus, the Big Story was when this discovery was confirmed by Carolyn's team. It is hard to mention Cassini without mentioning Dr. Porco. (And for those of us who follow it closely, admire both what she is doing and how she does it.) She is the expert, the leader, the voice of Cassini imaging.
A couple of decades ago, there was a grad student who grabbed the images of Saturn returned by Voyager and ran with them: Developing a theory for the spokes that launched her career. Hopefully there are young people working just as hard on the science returned by Cassini today. Maybe some of them will publish, and lead the next generation.
Feb 22 2007, 05:07 PM
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I would like to address the argument that little valid science can be done with Mars Exploration Rover Pancam images alone. There are a number of examples, like rock size/shape/frequency distributions, layer morphology, etc. that could be done with Pancam images alone. However, Pancam images are rarely used for science on their own in large part because of the (sadly) unusual level of cooperation among instrument teams on the Mars Exploration Rover mission; there is no need to attempt to use only images to make discoveries with MER. And the (in my view) blockbuster discovery of the Cassini mission -- the geologic activity of Enceladus -- was made by all Cassini instruments working together.
I think the difference may well be that short of photographing a patch of grass or Marvin the Martian, the scientific discoveries from MER images are much less likely to be made by playing with the raw jpegs or simply looking at them. Still, Cassini is the fourth spacecraft to visit Saturn, and has imaged at least portions of all the major targets at relatively high resolution. The chances of it simply stumbling on something that could be understood from the raw jpegs is much lower than it could be.
Feb 22 2007, 05:21 PM
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There is really only one example of a Cassini discovery that was self-obvious in the compressed JPGs -- the Enceladan plumes. And y'all will recall that as soon as one of us spotted the plumes in the JPGs, we were immediately told by a member of the imaging team (who posts here) that all we were seeing were lens flare effects. And he didn't retract that opinion until after the imaging team went public with their own conclusion that there really were plumes coming off of Enceladus.
I'm not saying anything except that this coincidence caught my attention at the time, and I still note it in this discussion...
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The fossil site and surrounding property are managed by the Florida Museum of Natural History for research and education. Florida Museum Curator of Ornithology David Steadman has managed the site since 2004, when he took over from Curator of Vertebrate Paleontology Bruce MacFadden. Steadman controls access to the site with Museum vertebrate paleontologists Richard Hulbert and Art Poyer. A couple living in a small house at the site monitors access to the property, which includes a campground, running water and full kitchen.


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I've been keeping tabs on Cuban Guys for what seems like almost a year now. I loved the concept, a fast food Cuban restaurant that doesn't cut corners on quality. It seemed like they might never open but just last week when I took a gander at their Facebook page I saw that the opening was less than a week away. So I wrote them through Twitter for specifics and was invited for their friends and family soft opening to try the food. In case I forget to mention it, they will be open for business as of Wednesday, January 11th, 2012 aka today.
I'm standing there checking out the menu and trying to figure out what to get, who am I kidding? I'm getting a Frita. My wife Marcela is with me and she opts for the Frita Bowl. I choose Yuca Fries for the side while she went the Plantain Chip route. There are 2 different Flans on the menu (Regular or Coffee), we also ordered these. Next to the register is an iced up cooler filled with water, Materva & Jupiña, 2 Cuban soda staples. Noticeably absent from the ice bath was Iron Beer which happens to have the coolest logo of the 3.
Marcela's bowl had all the important components of a Cuban meal. Let's see there was Black Beans & Rice, nicely diced up Platanos Maduros (fried sweet Plantains), real Julienne Potatoes (not the Potato Stix canned version), diced white onions and a Frita patty. You can, of course, choose Chicken, Steak or Pork but when in Rome…
If you're hungry and/or probably starving this is the route you wanna go. The bowl was delicious and filling. The plantain chips had a great crunch and were salted just as I like 'em (most importantly not of the frozen variety). They were served with a dipping sauce that I overlooked since they were so perfect as is.
The menu includes all the Cuban classics like Sandwich Cubano (Cuban Sandwich), Media Noche (Midnight Sandwich, same ingredients as Cuban Sandwich on a sweet roll) and Pan con Bistec (Steak Sandwich) and at the top of the list, the Frita (Cuban Hamburger).
There are 2 things I look at before eating a Frita. First is that they are making their tiny shoestring (Julienne) fries and second that it's served on a Cuban roll. From there I move onto an examination of what's under the top bun. Are they trying to pass off some ground beef or an over seasoned regular burger patty as a Frita? It's also pretty nice if they toast the roll. Lastly a taste test of the goods. Make no bones about it, Cuban Guys' Frita is the real deal, it's legit. I asked about going "a Caballo" (with a Fried Egg) and the owner said it's possible but not on the actual menu.
These Yuca Fries were crispy and the dipping sauce (some Mayo/Ketchup mix) was actually perfect for it. I was hesitant to try it since I prefer Yuca Fries sans anything else but glad I did. If I hadn't ordered a Flan, I might have gone for a Pan con Tortilla (Omelette Sandwich) also. The cool thing is they serve breakfast all day. As someone who has eggs for dinner occasionally, I'm loving that.
Flan is the classic Cuban dessert. Everyone has a mom, grandmother or aunt that makes the best Flan in Miami and/or Earth. If for some reason they're not in Flan making mode, you have 2 options at Cuban guys. The regular Flan is good but the Coffee Flan is ridiculous and the one to get.
I'm looking forward to working my way through the Cuban Guys' sandwich (the Pan con Bistec is unbelievable) menu. Now if they only had croquetas….. (Update: Croquetas were added to the menu)
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Drinking Water in the Cross-Canyon Corridor – date posted May 6, 2013
Purified drinking water is usually available year-round at Bright Angel and Indian Garden Campgrounds and at
Bright Angel and South Kaibab trailheads.
The list below reflects seasonal changes and will be updated when water is turned on or off.
- North Kaibab Trailhead: water turned ON
- Supai Tunnel: water turned OFF
- Roaring Springs Day Use Area: water turned ON
- Cottonwood Campground: water turned ON
- Bright Angel Campground:ON year-round (except when being repaired)
- Indian Garden: ON year-round (except when being repaired)
- Bright Angel Trail, Three-Mile Resthouse: water turned ON
- Bright Angel Trail, Mile-and-a-Half Resthouse: water turned ON
- Bright Angel Trailhead: OFF (due to construction)
- South Kaibab Trailhead: ON
Seasonal water stations are usually turned off for the winter sometime between Oct 10th and 30th dependent on location and associated temperatures.
Water available (year-round) on the South Rim at the Backcountry Information Center in the lobby. Water available (year-round) on the North Rim outside the Backcountry Information Center. Additional water bottle filling stations can be found on the Go "Green" and Refill Your Water Bottles web page.
Plan Ahead and Prepare: A backup method to treat water, should the pipeline break, must always be included as part of your first aid kit. Backcountry hikers should always carry extra water.


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List of R-Rated horror movies, ranked from best to worst with movie trailers when available. This list takes the best R-Rated horror movies and pits them against each other to see once and for all what the greatest R-Rated horror movie of all time is. This list of popular R-Rated horror movies includes information like who directed the film, when it was released and which actors starred in the movie. If you think the top R-Rated horror movie isn't as high as it should be then be sure to vote it up so it can take its rightful place among the other great R-Rated horror films on this list. If you're trying to find a specific R-Rated horror Film film you can search this list and filter to find what you're looking for.
Everything from The Shining to Alien is included on this list.
If you're trying to find out "What are the best R-Rated horror movies?" and "What are the most famous R-Rated horror movies?" then this list is the perfect resource for you.
Use this list if you're looking for some new horror movies that are rated R. Between Netflix, Hulu and other services there are thousands of great horror movies rated R, so get out there and start watching.You could always re-rank this list as your own then share it on your social networks to get a count of what only your friends think. (234 items)
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Lotus trackside operations director Alan Permane says Romain Grosjean has "been getting better and better" over the past few races and could lead the team next season.
Grosjean made a slightly conservative start to 2013 after some high-profile mistakes last year, but his season has picked up since a strong third place in Germany. Grosjean looked set to challenge for victory in Hungary before a penalty for going off-track passing Felipe Massa, and delivered another strong performance in Singapore before an air supply issue caused him to retire.
Permane said that Grosjean's performance before his retirement was not a surprise but that it would be an added boost to his confidence to have driven so well during a difficult weekend.
"I think Romain himself has made - I wouldn't call it a breakthrough - but since the Nurburgring, Hungary, he's just been getting better and better and better," Permane said. "When it counted [in Singapore] he had a difficult Friday, he had a few car problems and didn't run a great deal, but he had an excellent Saturday. We knew we had the potential to do well and he delivered, and I think for his head that will be very, very important. He'll know that he can do it."
Asked if Grosjean could become the team leader in 2014 with Kimi Raikkonen heading to Ferrari, Permane felt recent performances had strengthened Grosjean's position.
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Only days after promoting season two of AMC's "The Walking Dead" at Comic-Con, celebrated creator, writer, and director Frank Darabont is stepping down from the show.
Darabont will no longer be the head writer-producer of the cult zombie hit. Deadline attributes the departure to his uneasiness with switching from film to television. (Prior to the undead, Darabont directed such films like "The Shawshank Redemption," "The Green Mile," and "The Mist," winning three Oscar nods along the way).
According to E!, the writer-director didn't even hint at his departure at Comic-Con.
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"The Waking Dead" premieres Oct. 16 on AMC.
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Sermon delivered June 1, 2008.
Most often in the miraculous healings of Christ, a certain pattern emerges. Usually the healing follows the sick person or a close acquaintance approaching Jesus to seek healing such as the royal official's son at Capernaum (John 4:46-47), the centurion's servant (Luke 7:1-3) and Jairus' daughter (Luke 8:41). At other times it involves Jesus asking the sick person or the acquaintance a question like, "Do you wish to be healed" as with the paralytic from a couple week's ago (4 Sunday of Pascha; John 5:6) or "What do you want me to do for you?" as with the blind man in Luke 18:41). Only a very few times, like today's Gospel (6 Sunday of Pascha; John 9:1-38), does Jesus heal the sick with no prior demonstration of that desire on their part. The blind man did not ask Jesus to restore his sight nor did Jesus ask him if he wanted to be made well.
In fact, the blind man seems to have little faith or knowledge of who Christ is. When questioned by his neighbors about the restoration of his sight, the blind man does not credit his own faith or the Jesus as the Messiah. The man knows Jesus name but does not know where He is (v.11-12). Let me ask the question: is not this often our own experience of healing? When we are sick or ailing, we get well or we go to the doctor and we are treated and we recover. During our sickness and healing we have little or no awareness of the presence of Christ and His divine power. People may ask how we got better but there is no mention of Jesus on our part.
Just like the blind man in today's gospel, we are called to reflect upon our experiences of healing and understand the presence and involvement of Christ in those miraculous events. After being questioned by his neighbors, the blind man was brought before the Pharisees. Although, these religious leaders are focused on finding the person who violated the Sabbath, when they ask the man, "What do you say about Jesus?" he answers that "He is a prophet?" (v.17). The blind man's faith is growing. He does not stay with his original answer, but now acknowledges that a man from God, and thus God Himself, was involved in his healing.
Further pressed by the Pharisees to call Jesus a sinner in order to discredit Him and His works, the blind man remains resolute. The Pharisees already knew about Jesus and were obviously intimidating the people to disavow and denounce Him as the Messiah. The blind man's parents were afraid of being put out of the synagogue (v.22). Even after the Pharisees reviled him, the man who once was blind and a beggar, now speaks with boldness about Jesus saying, "If this man were not from God, He could do nothing" (v.33).
We too may be afraid to acknowledge Christ as Lord and Savior and Healer in our life because we do not want to be perceived as naïve, blind or too religious, a Jesus-freak, a bible-banger and thus be ostracized from various social and professional groups. This is an important lesson for doctors, nurses and health professionals too for they can be tempted to take credit for healing others. The reality is that all healing, great and small is a gift from God. We participate to various degrees in that healing but ultimately it is of divine origin.
So, if we are courageous enough to confess Christ as the Physician and healer of our souls and bodies, and it causes us to be marginalized from our friends, colleagues and perhaps even our family, what then? The blind man was driven out of the synagogue (v.34) and then Jesus seeks him out and finds him and asks him, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" (v.35). If we remain resolute and faithful, even if we don't understand everything or how it all fits together in God's plan, Christ will seek us out and find us and ask us to trust Him even more. The journey of faith is in some sense infinite but the object of our belief, Christ our God will be walking with us all the way. Amen.
Fr. Richard Demetrius Andrews is the pastor of St. George Greek Orthodox Church in St. Paul, Minnesota. Fr. Andrews is the past president of Minnesota Eastern Orthodox Christian Clergy Association (MEOCCA), and a volunteer chaplain with the St. Paul Police Department.


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In every building taller than two stories-and in some two-story buildings as well-regulations will require you to provide elevator recall as part of the building's fire alarm system installation. Numerous codes interrelate to ensure that the recall functions as ultimately required by the ASME/ANSI A17.1 Safety Code for Elevators and Escalators. Building codes, elevator codes and fire alarm codes and standards all play a part to require recall and how the recall function should operate.
The ASME A17.1 Code provides requirements for operational sequences for Phase 1-Emergency Recall Operation and Power Shutdown-"Shunt Trip" Operation.
The code defines Phase I-Emergency Recall Operation as the operation of an elevator wherein it is automatically or manually recalled to a specific landing and removed from normal service because of activation of firefighters' service.
"Power Shutdown" (shunt trip) occurs when the control system disconnects the mainline elevator power to eliminate potential problems as a result of sprinkler actuation in the hoistway or elevator machine room.
NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm Code, serves as the primary guide for the electrical contractor. NFPA 72-2002 section 6.15.3 contains the fire alarm system recall interface requirements and smoke detector requirements as follows: "System-type smoke detectors or other automatic fire detection as permitted by 188.8.131.52 located in elevator lobbies, elevator hoistways, and elevator machine rooms including machine space, control room, and control space used to initiate fire fighters' service recall shall be connected to the building fire alarm system."
The code also states that "only the elevator lobby, elevator hoistway and the elevator machine room smoke detectors or other automatic fire detection, as permitted by 22.214.171.124, shall be used to recall elevators for firefighters' service." As with all code requirements, the authority having jurisdiction may change which detectors may recall the elevators. However, most jurisdictions follow the ASME A17.1 and NFPA 72 requirements.
Sometimes jurisdictions adopt different versions of ASME A17.1 and NFPA 72. This is complicated because the developers of ASME A17.1 revise it on a three- to four-year cycle with yearly addenda while the developers of NFPA 72 and NFPA 13 revise it on a three-year cycle.
To avoid last-minute changes to an installation, a professional contractor will ensure that he or she knows which codes the jurisdictions have adopted.
The spacing of smoke detectors becomes important in elevator lobbies. NFPA 72-2002 has requirements for such spacing. For normal ceiling heights, a contractor must locate the lobby smoke detectors on the ceiling-not the wall. The contractor must locate a detector within 21 feet of each elevator door in the elevator bank under control of the elevator.
Knowing specific requirements of the current edition of the code will also save aggravation because changes to the code have solved certain problems that may have plagued installations. For example, contractors commonly installed smoke detectors in the elevator hoistway, but the incursion of dust frequently caused false alarms. The 1999 edition of NFPA 72 removed that requirement. The current edition, NFPA 72-2002, definitively states "Smoke detectors shall not be installed in unsprinklered elevator hoistways unless they are installed to activate the elevator hoistway smoke relief equipment." The professional contractor must understand that in new construction, the elevator hoistways must consist of fire-rated construction while the elevator cab must consist of noncombustible materials. NFPA 13-2002 states that with a fire-rated hoistway and a noncombustible elevator cab, the contractor does not need to provide automatic sprinkler protection for the elevator hoistway. Therefore, the elevator hoistway does not need a smoke detector.
When a smoke detector in an elevator lobby or machine room-and the hoistway, if protected-actuates, it must indicate an alarm condition on the building fire alarm system. Also, the detector must cause a separate and distinct visible annunciation at the control unit and require annunciators to alert fire fighters and other emergency personnel that they may no longer safely use the elevators. This need not actuate the system notification appliances as long as the alarm signal indicates at a constantly attended location. An exception exists in the requirements that permit the detectors in the machine room and elevator hoistway to initiate a supervisory signal rather than an alarm signal.
Interfacing the fire alarm system with the elevator recall system will maintain safety by preventing the occupants from using the elevator and possibly becoming trapped in the hoistway or riding in an elevator car called to the fire floor where they would likely perish when the doors of the cab open. Interfacing the fire alarm system with the elevator recall system also allows the firefighters to use the elevators as safely as possible during their fire fighting efforts.
Understanding the diverse and sometimes conflicting requirements for elevator recall will help a contractor ensure an on-time acceptance test and a happy building owner who will receive the occupancy permit for the building on time. EC
MOORE, a licensed fire protection engineer, frequent speaker and an expert in the life safety field, is a co-editor of the current National Fire Alarm Code Handbook. Moore is a principal with Hughes Associates Inc. at the Warwick, R.I., office.


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Effectively managing suppliers is not easy. In many cases, the tools and systems that support supplier management are at best rudimentary. Indeed, a report released this week by the Supply Chain Research Council reveals that Excel spreadsheets 'remain the most commonly use...
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ABB Enterprise Software
2020-02-27 23:57:03
Corona Virus
If anyone has encountered the same discussion - any ideas how to qualify and cover corona-virus and such nature of potential disruptions in the contract? What approxim...
If anyone has encountered the same discussion - any ideas how to qualify and cover corona-virus and such nature of potential disruptions in the contract? What approximate statement and references are recommended?
Hi Marina, thank you for your question and of course this is a critical issue for many of us right now. You may be interested to see Tim's Blog on this very point from earlier this week:
We have also launched a survey today which has already generated hundreds of responses and we will be putting out a report on the results early next week so please watch out for that.
I hope this helps and please do let us know if you have further specific questions.
• Cadent Gas Ltd • 2020-02-29 09:14:13
There are multiple ways to be honest, including Force Majeure clauses and Business Continuity obligations on the supplier which are regularly tested.
Replies: 2
erdemir engineering management and co...
2020-02-09 09:11:49
Force Majeure due to Coronavirus
Can coronavirus considered as a force majeure in contract management ?
Can coronavirus considered as a force majeure in contract management ?
• Parker Hannifin Corporation, Aerospace Group • 2020-02-13 22:43:22
I would say yes. This 'Act of God' is causing many companies to shut-down temporarily.
• GKN Aerospace • 2020-02-18 13:29:30
Yes - in most cases it will be ( unless of course the contract excludes medical issues or similar)
• Norfolk County Council • 2020-02-18 15:46:34
Might be worth considering what your response was to previous pandemic flu etc and treating similarly
• Capgemini • 2020-02-20 20:32:38
yes, I considered a supervening fact, would be impossible to predict the existence and its effects when signing a Contract...
Replies: 4
2019-11-14 15:27:49
Warranty & Discontinuation of Product
Hi everybody, Now we have a situation here in terms of warranty and product discontinuation : A large facility was being constructed which required ~1500 architectu...
Hi everybody,
Now we have a situation here in terms of warranty and product discontinuation :
A large facility was being constructed which required ~1500 architecturally exposed fixtures of a particular style/model. A Purchase Order was drawn up with terms of Warranty of 10 years. This was in 2014.
Cut to 2019, replacement of 9 fixtures are required (5# attributable under warranty provisions + 4# misused by the Purchaser) and it is now learnt that the fixtures itself is discontinued from the product line since 2017.
It is not possible to install 9 fixtures of a different model / look as these are architecturally exposed fixtures / products.
The Supplier has politely declined to answer the conflict of giving a 10 year warranty ending 2024 and discontinuing the product in 2017.
Q1: Advise on possible ways such a situation has been contractually dealt with.
Q2: How can one estimate the damages towards default by the Supplier in committing to its obligations under the Warranty Period, since the product has been discontinued?
Thanks in Advance
Product replacement or discontinuation is obviously quite usual - but that doesn't alter warranty obligations. The manufacturer should have stocked sufficient to meet likely needs. Without knowing the value. It is hard to know whether it is worth pursuing them; right now it sounds like they are ignoring you in the hope you just give up.
Hi Tim,
Thanks for your viewpoint and I couldn't agree more with you on this.
However, they have actually discontinued the product and their revised e-catalogue confirms this. I am sure they understand that a Purchase Order from us would just add on to their revenue in multiples at best, to risk such ignorance. Of the 28 product categories they have supplied, the issue affects only 1 of the 28.
The query deals around with
(a) non availability of spare parts of the product and
(b) non availability of the product itself.
• Isle of Man Government • 2020-01-09 15:26:31
Experience suggests this will boil down to the terminology used within your warranty document. It may be unreasonable to expect a supplier to maintain full stocks for all warranty potential on discontinued products (Tim already mentioned value...). More commonly, suppliers offer repair or replacement with the direct alternative product. If the 'standard' warranty were considered unacceptable at the outset it would be appropriate to develop the warranty model to include a recommended spares holding based upon MTBF, or more onerously full replacement of the product range used including mobilisation costs. Either way both parties are fully aware of expectations and obligations from the outset.
Contractually speaking if the warranty document is deficient you are really only left with negotiation. An option being to approach the supplier for access to the original product production drawings and look to have bespoke replacements made.
As a compromise and considering the actual failure rate seems quite low (5# out of 1500#) - though in no way trying to belittle the frustration you must feel - are there visual aspects where use of the replacement product may be viable and use the original products from those locations for the more visible locations ?
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2019-10-05 15:44:13
Civil Resolution Tribunal (CRT) in Canada - great innovation in Judicial system for (small) conflict and dispute resolution
See below link to the CRT in British Columbia, Canada. A great innovation in Judicial System for small conflict and dispute resolution. https://civilresolutionbc.ca/
See below link to the CRT in British Columbia, Canada. A great innovation in Judicial System for small conflict and dispute resolution.
ATCO Electric
2019-09-20 19:56:49
Arbitrator services in Canada
hi Friends, has anyone used the services of Arbitrator for construction project. I would like to have some idea on cost and duration of the process, for a medium compl...
hi Friends, has anyone used the services of Arbitrator for construction project. I would like to have some idea on cost and duration of the process, for a medium complex scenario and claims within CAD 10 Million
ATCO Electric
2019-09-10 14:54:12
Acceleration Claims Vs Delay Backcharges
Did someone face a situation for a construction contract, when contract has submitted claims for delays from Owner and acceleration efforts, and on the other hand Owne...
Did someone face a situation for a construction contract, when contract has submitted claims for delays from Owner and acceleration efforts, and on the other hand Owner wants to backcharge contractor for delays penalty and additional management expense to expedite and overall delay in the completion of the project.
Another question, if contract terms stipulate clearly that any delay form clients' of the owner is not owner's responsibility, then acceleration effort to recover these delays is payable by owner or contractor.
• Air Liquide • 2019-09-19 05:26:46
1) Yes. It often happens when the parties reject delay and extra costs to each other. It also happens that each party terminates the contract because of the the other party breaches.
2) Provided that this clause is valid (client's client delay is not client's responsibility), I would depend of the existence of a "time is of the essence clause" and upon the governing law.
• Rajit Padmakant Consultants Pvt Ltd • 2019-09-21 08:34:54
1. Reply - Yes It happens when contractor's payment is to be made based on milestone basis and where delay from contractor's side concurrently delay from employer's side also during contract administration stage both parities contracts manager and PM don't sit to-gather to establish the delay attributed to which party, on other hand employer want the work to be completed with in laid completion dates. with found delay employ deploys third party manpower to complete work and adjust this cost from Contractor's Accounts under Employer's Claims.
2. Reply - can be replied based on type of contract is formed.
You can reach me offline over the email: pm@
(Rajit Shah - Founder and Director, RPCPL)
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ATCO Electric
2019-08-06 15:04:25
Remedial works for Actual cost items
Some of the items of our construction project were on Actual cost basis, wherein we paid 15% mark-up to contractor over their subcontractors' invoiced amount. Bef...
Some of the items of our construction project were on Actual cost basis, wherein we paid 15% mark-up to contractor over their subcontractors' invoiced amount. Before issuing final completion certificate, some deficiencies were noted e.g. settlement of backfill, sloughing. Contractor is asking us to pay for all the repair/remedial works since it is cost plus item. We argued that we have paid fully, and deficiencies are mainly due to your workmanship, so why should owner pay for it again. There is no clear contract clause for it. What are your views!
Ultra Electronics TCS
2019-06-24 22:59:56
ManIntellectual Property
The management of Intellectual Property Rights in Contracting has continued to grow in importance over the years. In the context of U.S. Government (DoD) contracting,...
The management of Intellectual Property Rights in Contracting has continued to grow in importance over the years. In the context of U.S. Government (DoD) contracting, whereby the Government did not pay for any development of the technical solution, my most recent experience has been that the Government has become extremely aggressive in attempting to obtain Unlimited Rights, as defined in DFAR
(Rights in Technical Data - Noncommercial Items). I'm wondering if I'm simply dealing with an over-zealous Government IP attorney, or has it now become the norm?
Any sharing of experiences will be greatly appreciated.
2019-01-03 10:38:17
ADVICE NEEDED: difficult contract management position - customer & shareholder contracts
Hi, My company outsources key services to another company (Company X). However, we also own a portion of Company X as it was set up as a joint venture. I am the contr...
My company outsources key services to another company (Company X). However, we also own a portion of Company X as it was set up as a joint venture. I am the contract manager for the services Company X provides to us (I'm the customer). I am also the contract manager for the services my company provides to Company X, as part of the joint venture. I find this position very difficult and would like to build a strong case for hiring another manager to take one of the contracts. Are there any principles in IACCM I can use to help build this business case?
Any advice/recommendations would be greatly appreciated,
• Frank's International • 2020-01-10 19:34:37
It creates a conflict of interest in which the other members of the joint venture could be affected negatively.
• Allianz Technology • 2019-01-10 08:45:28
I'm just trying to understand your position.
Considering that you are managing all contractual relationship with another company (buy and sell side) sounds actually good from your company perspective. It would mean, that your leadership can expect you to have a full overview about the contractually back and forth with this JF. Therefore I assume it's hard to change the mind of your leadership, since I would expect them to see your doublerole as positive.
However on the other side, there is your personal position, meaning being something in the middle of a sandwich, right? I'm not sure about your empowerment, but in worst case you have also very limited authority to change some company rules (discounts, penalties, payment conditions, acceptance criteria etc.). And on buy side you usually have different contractual expectation than on sell side. I assume, this is the tricky part in your situation. Fulfilling the internal requirements for buy- and sell side with the same contractual partner at the same time (and maybe also your partner asks you if you are a bit crazy, since requesting sooo different contracts when you are either on sell side or on buy side).
When the conditions your company expect in contracts are very different on sell side and buy side, this should be communicated as an issue (to your leadership). I think there are 2 options as solution: either the requested second CM as you suggest, or an escalation to the leadership to align clear buy and sell conditions between your company and the JF, which are equal to both parties. such framework conditions would make at least your position more clear. And maybe there won't be anymore need of a split of the CM roles buy side and sell side?
Since I couldn't find many information in your post, I hope, this is somehow helpful?
If your uncomfortable position has other reasons, please let me know.
• Omaha Public Power District • 2019-01-21 20:58:03
I probably would start collecting facts: Firstly, establish the relationship between Your Company ("Y Company") and Company X ("X Company") by looking at any specific, written agreement about the services ("X and Y Services"). Also, establish clarity around (1) Y Company's services to be provided to X Company, and (2) X Company's services to be provided to Y Company. At this point, are there any conflicts that you can see/anticipate in your ability as the Contract Manager during the provision of X and Y Services, that perhaps could result in non-performance or non-compliance? Also, how do you escalate and cure any issues of non-performance (for example)? Secondly, I would review the files documenting any legal review, if any, prior to said agreement being reviewed for signature/execution. Were there any concerns that were raised and eventually resolved (internally)? AT the very least, you could start with the resource allocation -- that is, regarding your time management and how to better allocate your skills - in developing your case. Hope this helps. Regards ~ Rose
• CoreLogic • 2019-05-17 09:01:17
Its an interesting role and I recommend your decision to bring in another manager to take one of the contracts.
I would recommend to present this as two different roles:
On the buy side - Contract Manager would play role of a customer and to manage Company X, need to drive and establish Vendor Management Discipline around Contract Administration / Governance / Service Performance / Financial Management / Risk and Compliance
On the sell side - Contract Manager would play role of an engagement partner to drive business relationship / Value addition to Company X/ increase revenue generation from Company X to your company / Joint go-to-market strategy if possible.
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Schneider Electric France
2018-06-19 09:17:15
Unanswered claim
What is the best strategy when your claim went unanswered after gently following-up ?
What is the best strategy when your claim went unanswered after gently following-up ?
Hi Julia,
Based on IACCM´s contracting body of knowledge, we have conducted several ATEs and webinars stating the key steps for optimizing claim management transparent process.
Please refer to our IACCM library:
And in particular, in this topic:
We will always recommend a constructive and non-hostile approach which will ensure we are improving quality and reducing the causes of counterproductive events.
However, if first level management cannot resolve the issue within a specified timeframe, it should be escalated to senior management. Only as a last resort should the agreement instruct the parties to resolve the claim by involving a third party. This could be either a court, an arbitrator or alternative dispute resolution, e.g. mediation.
In the absence of regulations in the agreement, most countries will have laws that similarly protect the injured party by third-party resolution. Both by law and under the terms of the agreement, therefore, claim management is not a voluntary process.
Let´s see if other members contribute with resposes in this forum, but I´d also recommend you, Julia, to join and connect with our IACCM community of interest created for this specific purpose: Dispute, Claim and Conflict Management:
Best regards,
Pablo Cilotta
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