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Russia sent a detachment of ships of the Black Sea Fleet to the coast of the Gaza Strip in order to evacuate Russians in case of escalation of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, a source in the main command of the RF Navy said.
"The detachment of combat ships of the Black Sea Fleet, including the Guards missile cruiser Moskva, the patrol ship Smetliviy, large landing ships Novocherkassk and Saratov, the sea tug MB-304 and the big sea tanker Ivan Bubnov, got the order to remain in the designated area of the Eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea for a possible evacuation of Russian citizens from the area of the Gaza strip in case of escalation of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict", -the Agency's interlocutor said.
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Gog meet Magog
Exactly. It's all coming together fast, isn't it?
It sure seems to be. Things seems to be falling into place....
Two things:
1. They need THAT many ships for how many Russians in the Gaza Strip? Are there even 25 Russians in Gaza?
This is simply trying to intimidate the Israelis.
2. I wish OUR country had done at least this when our consulate in Benghazi was attacked and the Ambassador and three others were killed.
Shows you which nation is a paper tiger, huh?
Seems whenever the Russians deploy a few ships they send an "ocean-going tug". Speaks volumes about the reliability & serviceability of Russian combat vessels.
Har (Mountain) Megiddo = HarMagiddo = Mount Megiddo = Armageddon
Is this another post in Breaking, hit and run? Do you have an opinion today?
Do not today's writers and readers know that a "detachment of ships" is a "flotilla"?
the only thing holding Russian Wessels (LOL) together is the paint
"more flexibility"
Why are there Russians in the Gaza Strip that have to be evacuated?
Leave them in place, just like the Americans did at Benghazi.
I suppose, with the caliper of writers coming out of journalism schools today, we should be thankful they're not calling them assault weapons.
The Russians always vacation in Gaza. You know thousands flock there during holiday. Great shops, restaurants, bars, night clubs, beautiful Mediterranean beeches. //sarcasm off//
Good time for Israel to practice Naval defense on some Russian ships
Guaranteed that the Russians will turn around and run if one of those ships are blasted by Israel. The Russians are a lot of bluster....but once popped in the mouth they turn around and run crying
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31 Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help; and stay on horses, and trust in chariots, because they are many; and in horsemen, because they are very strong; but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the Lord!
2 Yet he also is wise, and will bring evil, and will not call back his words: but will arise against the house of the evildoers, and against the help of them that work iniquity.
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There are a bunch of russians in Gaza?
How bout that
And the formal training of the Rusky Navy.
Gog meet Magog
That is exactly what I thought when I read the article. It is chilling. When I read first read prophecy over 25 years ago I could never envision how and why America would be among the countries "coming against Israel". Unfortunately, now I know.
Well, that's a relief!
I mean, considering that we're going to be light on our naval presence in the region for some time with all those extraordinary repairs we'll be making...
Just yesterday there was a thread about ours being turned back to port in Virginia. That flexibility is working to well for the kenyan.
No, they are not joining Obama's "rescue fleet". We already pulled our carriers out of there. See this: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162401#.UK59zVIZRQR
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absolutely right!
anyone correct me if I am wrong, but in WWI and WWII, the US, Britain, Japanese and Germans engaged each other in many Naval Battles.
The Russians NEVER did, as far as I know. So, their Naval History of Combat is about zero!
Actually there are parts of Gaze that are quite nice.
It's hard to guage your statement. Are you trying to take their measure?
LOL! You got me. I guess I fall short. :-)
I was always curious as to how/why Russia gets involved in such an attack. I guess I know now.
Now settle down you Israelis. Mind your own business and stop interfering with our allies' attempts to kill you.
When I was in seminary about 10 years ago, we had a casual discussion with a few professors and they all agreed there were basically three main ideas floating around. 1) The U.S. did not exist any more (the 1/3 of the world that was burned up or too much internal strife or civil war) 2) the U.S. is represented by the lamb with the forked tongue before the throne, meaning we decided to sit the war out 3) or we no longer existed as the same nation, with the same values. At the time, I couldn't imagine any of these happening. Lately... I would be more surprised if our leaders didn't help our historic enemies.
Too early. Psalm 83 and Isaiah 17 first.
It has been coming together fast since Paul and those many years before him prophesied. I remember in the 80's those who thought Gorbachev was the Anti-Christ because of the mark on his forehead and his leadership of the Soviet Union, America's foremost enemy at the time. Won't be long now!
Back in the 1980's, the IDF found tunnels in Lebanon dug by the Russians.
They also found documents, plans, supplies for a full scale invasion of teh middle east by Russia.
One object of note that the IDF found: Coffee beans.
Fresh coffee beans.
Coffee beans go bad within three months.
That meant that the Russians had plans to begin their operation at least within three months.
The Israelis going into Lebanon to kick the PLO in the butt derailed that plan.
I'd say Gaza is their backup plan.
Say, do you ever say anything about any articles you post?
Russky warships supporting the Muslim
Thanks for posting this regardless of others questioning why you didn't comment.
I'd have missed it otherwise.
Yep. It's pretty disconcerting.
Civilian rescue ship, lolz
Unless they sent a cruise ship defended by the flotilla this was a military mission
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A respected Republican senator has announced he is reversing his stance against gay marriage after his 21-year-old son came out to him and his wife.
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In this day and age the Prodigal Son returns not in repentance but in sin.
This is why he decided not to throw his hat in the primary ring last year.
This deal of "coming out" that has become so popular with these kids in the past few years is, I think, suspect. In this area, at one of the high schools, the kids suddenly started "coming out" in droves, embracing and kissing in the hallways, having "sex" in the bathroom stalls (how romantic!) I expect some kids are in the future going to be embarrassed at their recent behavior; because even logical statistical numbers would have precluded there being that huge a number of "gay" kids in any one given place at one time. A fad.
So he's just another hypocrite?
It's always the ones with homosexuals in the family that support counterfeit marriage.
So if he caught he effing the family dog would he drop his opposition to beastiality?
Even Bart Stupak didn't change his conservative (for a democrat) position on guns when his son killed himself.
Holding Office has become only a place to sit while buying votes to KEEP that Office.
He can't be very solid on much of anything if he can't reason his way through things like this with greater clarity than he has exhibited.
This inability to think things through is characteristic of the majority of the population today. They will blindly follow the Demagogue into totalitarianism.
Principe=Principle. (More coffee needed here)
The reason people are sick of the GOP is because they have no moral compass.
They have no convictions. They are not trustworthy.
Had he not thought of the parents of gay children, before he made a stand?
In what , was his opinion of gay marriage based, in the first place?
More "good for me, but not for thee".
I swear these people are in on some giant conspiracy to destroy America. The dam is breaking and there is no stopping it.
The media will now celebrate him as a hero, and that will only reaffirm his position.
In what , was his opinion of gay marriage based, in the first place? More good for me, but not for thee.
This is insane!
It's like saying I've changed my position on cancer since I found out my brother has it.
Damn it when will people wake up!
He needs to say "son, I love you and always will, but I will not approve of activity that God Almighty has condemned."
:: He is a lying certified disciple of Saran! ::
Looks like another malaprop headed for history at FR!
It's called "GUG": Gay Until Graduation.
What is Portman's voting record? His conservative grade?
He may be expressing his personal conversion, but won't do harm on the senate floor.
/not defending this guy
Just sent another email to the Republican Senator comm.
RNC and my home state party.
These scumbags deserve to hear from all of you!
You still did the right thing in voting for Portman over the Democrat in the general but you hit the nail on the head about how Portman is wrong in changing his mind about gay "marriage". Real marriage was defined by God and there is nothing we can do to change it. All the rest is just pretending.
I guess we now know why he didn't get the nod for Veep.
this is the result of recruiting.
Portman should resign if he finds this personal situation compromises his principles so easily.
He should have kicked his son out.
If you jump off an eighty foot cliff, the rocks aren't going care what you believe about gravity.
or he always did and this "comming out" story is cover for being caught in a political damaging way.
Portman is finished.
If Portmans son announced an inclination towards young children or animals, would Portman change his views on those morals as well to make his son happy?
His son needs professional help.
"The overriding message of love and compassion that I take from the Bible".......
and yet always miss the part about "Go and sin no more"
This is similar to the stupid-assed statement
"a loving God wouldn't condemn anyone to hell".
Sounds good for someone thinking on the level of a three year old.
But logic refutes this in about 4 seconds with a half dozen refuting statements.
He should listen to gay people who finally discover they are AGAINST gay marriage.
Like this story: http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/kids-need-a-mom-and-dad-says-openly-gay-adoptive-parent
you don't need religion to know this is just wrong.
Portman can no longer be trusted.
i am betting this comming out is a fake. Portman knew and this capitulation is blackmail avoidance of some kind.
His son is not a part of society.
Portman should have just cut the hedonist adult off, no money, no school, no roof, no car etc. Just goodby and never call.
BINGO!! i KNEW it!!!! IDIOCY!!!!
Senator Portman is a major disappointment.
I've no doubt this was staged so he can get into the pockets of the pro-gay campaign contributors and prepare himself for a run at either the presidency or vice-presidency.
He is betting that the GOP-E will retain control of the GOP.
Considering that Romney accomplished 2 things other than running a campaign against Barack Obama, it is notable to review his two accomplishments:
1. He savaged conservative opponents with less money
2. He gained the right to control the convention AT WHICH he changed the delegate and other rules to maintain the power of the GOP-E for the foreseeable future.
IOW, Portman has read the tea leaves and thinks they are all coming up pink.
religion only based opposition can't be supported before the law.
logic and reason dictates the opposition to the law.
Portman should have grown a pair and told the son he was wrong and guided him to treatment or shunning. his choice.
no compromise.
Portman just demonstrats he is part of the old, crusty, and moss grown DC. He should resign.
Basically it's ONLY those with HOMOS in their families that support this crap! Satan is VERY happy.
So, would he become pro-drug use if his son had come out as a heroin addict? Pro-polygamy if his son had revealed that he wanted to marry three wives?
Portman was blackmailed?
Nope. He was my congressman from this overwhelmingly conservative Ohio 2nd district.
He caved.
What is that smell of sulfur? It is the Saran wrap as it is the devil!
how much money is involved?
Going by his claim that his son is gay, I don't believe he needs to cut him off. He can still love his son and be in life, but he doesn't have to agree with his lifestyle or support redefining marriage. If it was my child (I have no children), I'd still love my child and be there for him/her, I just wouldn't support his/her lifestyle because it goes against my faith (Catholic).
I voted for Portman thinking he supported traditional marriage, so this is disappointing to me.
The article quotes Portman:
'The overriding message of love and compassion that I take from the Bible, and certainly the Golden Rule, and the fact that I believe we are all created by our maker, that has all influenced me in terms of my change on this issue.'He announced this as a biblical and a political conviction. The article states further that this took place TWO YEARS AGO, at which time he secretly discussed the issue with other elite Republicans - while withholding it from the public/voters.He added that he believed opening marriage up to homosexual couples 'strengthens the institution' and he realized his son's sexuality 'wasn't a choice'.
It was during that 2-years of concealment that he and the elite Republicans sought to sneak him in as the GOP Presidential candidate!
Portmann is dead to me. He is nothing but a 5th columnist within the GOP.
if the son is recalcetrant, he should be treated as if he has just died and shunned from the family.
Portman would have had to "man up" for that.
This is 100% digusting for portman to capitulate to emotional blackmail at the least. Or he knew he was going to capitulate all along at the worst.
There is no logical reason for portman to stay. He should resign.
Sounds like he "evolved" on the issue. Actually, sounds more like he saw polling data in Ohio that said homo "marriage" is all the rage.
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Posted on 12/02/2005 8:35:59 AM PST by ckilmer
SETI and Intelligent Design By Seth Shostak SETI Institute posted: 01 December 2005 06:37 am ET |
If youre an inveterate tube-o-phile, you may remember the episode of "Cheers" in which Cliff, the postman whos stayed by neither snow, nor rain, nor gloom of night from his appointed rounds of beer, exclaims to Norm that hes found a potato that looks like Richard Nixons head.
This could be an astonishing attempt by taters to express their political views, but Norm is unimpressed. Finding evidence of complexity (the Nixon physiognomy) in a natural setting (the spud), and inferring some deliberate, magical mechanism behind it all, would be a leap from the doubtful to the divine, and in this case, Norm feels, unwarranted.
Cliff, however, would have some sympathizers among the proponents of Intelligent Design (ID), whose efforts to influence school science curricula continue to swill large quantities of newspaper ink. As just about everyone is aware, these folks use similar logic to infer a "designer" behind such biological constructions as DNA or the human eye. The apparent complexity of the product is offered as proof of deliberate blueprinting by an unknown creatorconscious action, presumably from outside the universe itself.
What many readers will not know is that SETI research has been offered up in support of Intelligent Design.
The way this happens is as follows. When ID advocates posit that DNAwhich is a complicated, molecular blueprintis solid evidence for a designer, most scientists are unconvinced. They counter that the structure of this biological building block is the result of self-organization via evolution, and not a proof of deliberate engineering. DNA, the researchers will protest, is no more a consciously constructed system than Jupiters Great Red Spot. Organized complexity, in other words, is not enough to infer design.
But the adherents of Intelligent Design protest the protest. They point to SETI and say, "upon receiving a complex radio signal from space, SETI researchers will claim it as proof that intelligent life resides in the neighborhood of a distant star. Thus, isnt their search completely analogous to our own line of reasoninga clear case of complexity implying intelligence and deliberate design?" And SETI, they would note, enjoys widespread scientific acceptance.
If we as SETI researchers admit this is so, it sounds as if were guilty of promoting a logical double standard. If the ID folks arent allowed to claim intelligent design when pointing to DNA, how can we hope to claim intelligent design on the basis of a complex radio signal? Its true that SETI is well regarded by the scientific community, but is that simply because we dont suggest that the voice behind the microphone could be God?
Simple Signals
In fact, the signals actually sought by todays SETI searches are not complex, as the ID advocates assume. Were not looking for intricately coded messages, mathematical series, or even the aliens version of "I Love Lucy." Our instruments are largely insensitive to the modulationor messagethat might be conveyed by an extraterrestrial broadcast. A SETI radio signal of the type we could actually find would be a persistent, narrow-band whistle. Such a simple phenomenon appears to lack just about any degree of structure, although if it originates on a planet, we should see periodic Doppler effects as the world bearing the transmitter rotates and orbits.
And yet we still advertise that, were we to find such a signal, we could reasonably conclude that there was intelligence behind it. It sounds as if this strengthens the argument made by the ID proponents. Our sought-after signal is hardly complex, and yet were still going to say that weve found extraterrestrials. If we can get away with that, why cant they?
Well, its because the credibility of the evidence is not predicated on its complexity. If SETI were to announce that were not alone because it had detected a signal, it would be on the basis of artificiality. An endless, sinusoidal signal a dead simple tone is not complex; its artificial. Such a tone just doesnt seem to be generated by natural astrophysical processes. In addition, and unlike other radio emissions produced by the cosmos, such a signal is devoid of the appendages and inefficiencies nature always seems to add for example, DNAs junk and redundancy.
Consider pulsars stellar objects that flash light and radio waves into space with impressive regularity. Pulsars were briefly tagged with the moniker LGM (Little Green Men) upon their discovery in 1967. Of course, these little men didnt have much to say. Regular pulses dont convey any informationno more than the ticking of a clock. But the real kicker is something else: inefficiency. Pulsars flash over the entire spectrum. No matter where you tune your radio telescope, the pulsar can be heard. Thats bad design, because if the pulses were intended to convey some sort of message, it would be enormously more efficient (in terms of energy costs) to confine the signal to a very narrow band. Even the most efficient natural radio emitters, interstellar clouds of gas known as masers, are profligate. Their steady signals splash over hundreds of times more radio band than the type of transmissions sought by SETI.
Imagine bright reflections of the Sun flashing off Lake Victoria, and seen from great distance. These would be similar to pulsar signals: highly regular (once ever 24 hours), and visible in preferred directions, but occupying a wide chunk of the optical spectrum. Its not a very good hailing-signal or communications device. Lightning bolts are another example. They produce pulses of both light and radio, but the broadcast extends over just about the whole electromagnetic spectrum. That sort of bad engineering is easily recognized and laid at natures door. Nature, for its part, seems unoffended.
Junk, redundancy, and inefficiency characterize astrophysical signals. It seems they characterize cells and sea lions, too. These biological constructions have lots of superfluous and redundant parts, and are a long way from being optimally built or operated. They also resemble lots of other things that may be either contemporaries or historical precedents.
So thats one point: the signals SETI seeks are really not like other examples drawn from the bestiary of complex astrophysical phenomena. That speaks to their artificiality.
The Importance of Setting
Theres another hallmark of artificiality we consider in SETI, and its context. Where is the signal found? Our searches often concentrate on nearby Sun-like star systems the very type of astronomical locale we believe most likely to harbor Earth-size planets awash in liquid water. Thats where we hope to find a signal. The physics of solar systems is that of hot plasmas (stars), cool hydrocarbon gasses (big planets), and cold rock (small planets). These do not produce, so far as we can either theorize or observe, monochromatic radio signals belched into space with powers of ten billion watts or morethe type of signal we look for in SETI experiments. Its hard to imagine how they would do this, and observations confirm that it just doesnt seem to be their thing.
Context is important, crucially important. Imagine that we should espy a giant, green square in one of these neighboring solar systems. That would surely meet our criteria for artificiality. But a square is not overly complex. Only in the context of finding it in someones solar system does its minimum complexity become indicative of intelligence.
In archaeology, context is the basis of many discoveries that are imputed to the deliberate workings of intelligence. If I find a rock chipped in such a way as to give it a sharp edge, and the discovery is made in a cave, I am seduced into ascribing this to tool use by distant, fetid and furry ancestors. It is the context of the cave that makes this assumption far more likely then an alternative scenario in which I assume that the random grinding and splitting of rock has resulted in this useful geometry.
In short, the champions of Intelligent Design make two mistakes when they claim that the SETI enterprise is logically similar to their own: First, they assume that we are looking for messages, and judging our discovery on the basis of message content, whether understood or not. In fact, were on the lookout for very simple signals. Thats mostly a technical misunderstanding. But their second assumption, derived from the first, that complexity would imply intelligence, is also wrong. We seek artificiality, which is an organized and optimized signal coming from an astronomical environment from which neither it nor anything like it is either expected or observed: Very modest complexity, found out of context. This is clearly nothing like looking at DNAs chemical makeup and deducing the work of a supernatural biochemist.
Straw man, anyone?.
Do you know Seth? If you do, tell him thanks for the great article :-)
The difference is that we can find concrete evidence through SETI, but not through ID.
Morning ping. Even if this isn't worthy of cranking up the ping machine, this should be archived as a means of comparing good vs. bad/bogus science in the context of the ID debate.
"Well you see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as
the slowest buffalo and when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones
at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a
whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by
the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain
can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive
drinking of alcohol kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and
weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates
the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. And
that, Norm, is why you always feel smarter after a few beers."
Does anyone know what the radio frequencies from Earth would "look like" if someone was in another star system doing the same, SETI-like experiment?
"All your intelligent design are belong to me"
Sounds like this might be Cliff the Postman pretending to be an actual scientist. By the way SETI did have one important function. It has thoroughly debunked the concept of a big bang beginning by acknowledging that there are many blue shift situations whereas a big bang would require an expanding universe with only red shifts!
ID is just as valid as any conceptual theory and probably fits the current, factual information better than other more traditionally held theories. SETI is probably worried that their funding might be cut if they do not support the politically correct version of reporting.
SETI must be going reeeeeal slow these days. Shostak has a lot of time on his hands to weave strawmans to peddle.
That's before actually tackling questions of ID's validity. He's just a sloppy debater who skates by on an inflated impression of his reputation.
Well, its because the credibility of the evidence is not predicated on its complexity. If SETI were to announce that were not alone because it had detected a signal, it would be on the basis of artificiality.
this is a gob smaker. so the signature of intelligence is its artificiality.
What is truly amazing here is that this guy makes the case for ID!!
He claims that SETI is seeking narrow, organized signals, much in the same way we can discern if an object if fabricated by the unnatural appearance and shape.
Well, life is an organization of chemicals and elements that exist everywhere, but when assembled properly----life.
ID purports that such organization is evidence of design at work rather than random chance.
The radio signals sought by SETI are those organized and not those emanating from random chance.
Well, he is the senior astronomer at SETI, and his cv says his Ph.D is in astronomy from Caltech, so mabe we can give him the benefit of the doubt.
...a big bang would require an expanding universe with only red shifts!
Uhhh, no, it wouldn't require that.
Our of curiousity, what is the "concrete evidence" that points to extraterrestrial intelligence?
This, plus your claim to be An Actual Scientist, is making my B.S. meter twitch. Explain how the Big Bang cancels all proper motion, and renders orbital mechanics invalid.
That's because "intelligent design" has absolutely no scientific basis but SETI does...as the article explains quite well.
It has thoroughly debunked the concept of a big bang beginning by acknowledging that there are many blue shift situations whereas a big bang would require an expanding universe with only red shifts!
The universe is a swirling mixture of multiple vectors thus some objects will move towards each other while others move away in an expanding framework. Thus, red and blue shifts would be observed.
ID is just as valid as any conceptual theory and probably fits the current, factual information better than other more traditionally held theories
Completely wrong. ID can not be supported by experimentation and observation nor can it predict phenomenon. Thus, it utterly fails to be a valid scientific theory.
The difference is that we can find concrete evidence through SETI, but not through ID.
Our of curiousity, what is the "concrete evidence" that points to extraterrestrial intelligence?
there is the kicker.
there is no "concrete evidence"
similiarly atheists will say : show me your concrete evidence for God. (But exclude everything in the natural universe as evidence of a creator.)
While the Big Bang is still an hypothesis, SETI has done nothing to bunk or debunk it. M31 is blue-shifted, but it is relatively nearby and is allowed to blue-shift.
It's like saying, "Show me the forest, but don't use the trees as evidence."
Please reread the article - especially the conclusion. ID claims that naturally occurring complexity must be artificial since it is complex - a circular logic fallacy. SETI is looking for a signal that has a simplicity and efficiency that can not be observed being produced by any natural source. This indicates a possible artificial source. The evidence builds if it can be reproduced or a mechanism could be constructed for reproduction.
I gather that one argument for ID is that the odds of random events leading to the creation of life are so long as to be unsupportable. However, the odds of any series of events leading to any situation are equally long.
Close except that the formation of DNA, cellular systems, or even orbital mechanics and quantum events are not "random."
They follow very detailed, exact laws of the chemical and physical interactions that determine chemical reactions, protein structures, and physical events.
Simple example: salt is not formed and its structure determined by sodium and chloride atoms just randomly bumping into each other and sticking together in a random fashion. The many laws that describe ion dissociation, electron valencies, bond mechanics, etc. determine that one sodium and one chloride bond at a specific angle.
They would see our narrowband carriers. :-)
You should consider brushing up on your Astronomy 101.
On the contrary, apparent complexity leads to the reasonable inference that a designer may be involved in its production.
ID = Agnostic Creativism..
SETI = Gnostic Fantasy..
Evolution = Dialectic Material Psuedo-Science..
I was thinking something similar, but we use so much of the broadcast spectrum and, since the Earth would appear to be a point source, I imagine there would be all kinds of overlap of the different bands and frequencies from all the radio sources, as well as possible attenuation from interstellar media. So my first thought is the spectrum would look fairly broad and incoherent in the radio region and then taper off where the spectrum goes to shorter wavelengths. Would there be specific, narrow band emissions that would not overlap?
While you've pointed out some circumstances that must exist to permit the occurance of certain constructs, I don't believe you have made clear that the existence of those circumstances did not occur through random and unplanned events.
It's good enough. ID and SETI too. Great way to slide into the weekend. I'm hauling out the ping machine ...
Quite so. Well stated :)
I'm not sure I understand your statement. Are you bringing to question that the laws themselves of chemical and physical determinants for reaction and molecular structure occurred through random events? Or, perhaps, that the earliest protein precedents of RNA/DNA resulted from random organic compounds coming together in an "planned" event?
I suppose so -- and I suppose also that they'd be narrowly focused S-band type signals sent from blowtorches like Goldstone, Madrid, and Canberra.
The question is: how likely is it that one could pick up such signals, even from big, powerful sites like those, at a distances on the order of light years?
I'd think it would be hard enough to detect extremely weak signals sent to us on purpose, much less incidental signals directed to (say) some alien version of Pioneer 10.
Leaving aside questions being batted about in this thread, what's your personal opinion of the likelihood of ever seeing such signals, assuming they were sent?
And that, not complexity or a lack of complexity, is the core claim of ID -- that one can distinguish the natural from the artificial or intelligently made. If SETI claims that such a distinction can be made scientifically, then the idea that one could distinguish the natural from the artificial in biology is not unreasonable. Despite what this article claims, both SETI and ID are doing the same thing.
SETI assumes, without any existing evidence, that extraterrestrial intillgence may exist. In order to find evidence of such ET intelligence, they look for evidence of signals which have characteristics that would distinguish the artificial from the natural. ID assumes, without any existing evidence, that a creator of some sort may exist. In order to find evidence of such a creator, they look for evidence of pheonemna or features of life or the universe that would distinguish the created phoneomna from the natural. Both start with no evidence and propose finding the evidence by looking for created features among natural features. So without the whole complexity red herring, the difference is? Either you can differentiate the natural from the intelligently created or you can't. Either both are science or neither is.
Thank you. It's a matter of perspective and a perspective of matter. ;-)
As others have pointed out, there is no possible set of evidence or data which ID cannot fit.
In the spectrum of ID advocates you find people like Michael Denton, who assert that evolution is 100 percent naturalistic and has no deviations from the description given by mainstream biology. You have Behe, who accepts common descent, but believes God has intervened at some points. You have young earth creationists who believe that all variation is simply a matter of juggling existing alleles.
In short, there is no theory or hypothesis behind ID which limits the range of expected phenomena. There is nothing that is even potentially unexpected.
It would be difficult to detect such signals hence the size of the radio telescopes and networks combined with the large amounts of computing assets marshaled by the SETI project.
However, the last article I read stated that close to 1200 signals had been detected that can not be attributed to any known natural source. Which could mean that there are natural sources yet to be discovered or understood to account for these signals....or that there may be a few of those 'alien Pioneer' craft being noisy.
SETI has made a number of advance predictions about the sort of as-yet-undetected signal that would reflect intelligent creation rather than natural origin (e.g. the distinction between a broad-spectrum and a narrow-band signal described in the above article). ID has made a number of after-the-fact assertions about already-known natural phenomena (e.g. the claim that the probability of existing macromolecules forming is unreasonably low, even over an entire planet and billions of years).
The difference is equivalent to that between painting a target on a wall and shooting a bullet through the bulls-eye and shooting a bullet through a wall and painting a bulls-eye around the hole.
I am in the middle of a software test. Sigh. Will answer all posts this evening. :-)
That's a bullseye
That's no fun! You should've done your impression first and then let us guess. Still, I'd say you nailed it.
Also known as the "Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy"....
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