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Do You Refuse to Watch Black & White Movies?
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Jul 16, 2007 - 10:23 AM
Jim Phelps
I realize that many who post on this side of the board probably love B&W (as do I), but I was hoping that the Whippersnappers of the board would chime in. Perhaps it's a silly topic, but I have often met people, usually 35 and under- who absolutely refuse to watch a TV show or movie simply because it's in black & white. They say that "real life isn't black and white." or "Gotta have color!" or these people simply don't like black and white shows. Anyone here share that opinion? If so, why? The reason I ask is because I read that there are dozens of old TV shows that were considered classics, but since people today don't like B&W, the shows are not often seen in syndication or get a DVD release. Which, IMO is a travesty. Your erudite thoughts on this matter, please...
Jul 16, 2007 - 10:52 AM
Pete Apruzzese
A lot of it depends on what you are exposed to when you are young. I'm 45, so I grew up in the tail end of the black & white TV era (we didn't even get a color set until I was 13 or so). Black & white looks normal to me. Since my son (now 12) was born, he's seen plenty of black & white films and TV shows and has no problem with it - he even noted once how phony the 'colorization' looked on the 3 Stooges shorts. At my classic film shows, a great majority of the films are black & white and the families that come to see them bring kids and they appreciate them just fine.
Jul 16, 2007 - 12:00 PM
Stefan Miklos
I realize that many who post on this side of the board probably love B&W (as do I), but I was hoping that the Whippersnappers of the board would chime in. Perhaps it's a silly topic, but I have often met people, usually 35 and under- who absolutely refuse to watch a TV show or movie simply because it's in black & white. They say that "real life isn't black and white." or "Gotta have color!" or these people simply don't like black and white shows. Anyone here share that opinion? If so, why? The reason I ask is because I read that there are dozens of old TV shows that were considered classics, but since people today don't like B&W, the shows are not often seen in syndication or get a DVD release. Which, IMO is a travesty. Your erudite thoughts on this matter, please...
I'm 36. I used to watch television with a B&W set back in the 1970's. There were only three chanels back then. They rerun a lot of vintage series too. I watched a lot of feature films in black and white, both on tv and cinema way back. The color rejection appears in the 1980's. It is a marketing affair. Now, most channels refuse to broadcast a B&W feature film during the prime time. This world-wide economical trend has seen monstrous blasphemies like "Zorro" or "Wanted: Dead or Alive" in color and even worst: classic films like "The Asphalt Jungle" in color and my local B&W films were attacked too.
We're dealing with the integrity and the identity of a work.
From the glorious monochrome anthology "The Outer Limits":
Jul 16, 2007 - 12:06 PM
Jim Phelps
Stefan: I nearly fainted when ABC aired "To Kill a Mockingbird" during a holiday a few years ago. It IS uncommon for mainstream TV to air B&W movies and shows. As for TV shows, BBC America used to only air the color seasons of The Avengers and The Saint.
Jul 16, 2007 - 12:12 PM
Ron Pulliam
Some 20 years ago, friends would come to my home on a weekend night, and each would select a film to watch.
When it came to my turn, I selected a black-and-white film. To my astonishment, there was a small uproar. "That's not realistic!" was the complaint.
I tolerated the anger and suggested the film be given a chance. After half an hour, the viewers were riveted by the film.
It was "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?".
After that, it didn't matter if a film was b/w or color.
Jul 16, 2007 - 12:14 PM
Stefan Miklos
This is how I feel when they broadcast "colorized" black and white feature films and series:
Jul 16, 2007 - 12:36 PM
We live in an age when more and more people, to use an analogy, want to have their food cut into little pieces for them, as is done for a small child.
Black and white, like so many other aspects of filmmaking in the so-called Golden Age of Hollywood, required audiences to think, and act as active participants in the storytelling process. By contrast, everything is now laid out in the most simplistic terms, a consequence, I'm afraid, of the demise of the self-censorship that the Breen Code imposed during the Big Studios' heyday).
Fortunately, the old films
here for us to enjoy, making the absence of new films that embody these old standards of craftsmanship largely irrelevant.
Jul 16, 2007 - 12:43 PM
I'm a big fan as I grew up with them and don't know any better. Plus, it's FAR harder to shoot black and white than colour. If your contrast ratio is off then you are a goner, for everyone to see.
I would love to hear Manderley's comments on this, but I think if b/w was still prolific today (as much as colour), the number of cinematographers out there would go down by two thirds.
Jul 16, 2007 - 1:18 PM
Stefan Miklos
The most absurd idea is to turn Film Noir into color!
Film Noir is the essence of black and white cinematography.
They did it with "The Asphalt Jungle".
Nevertheless, nowadays, you find maverick examples of new black and white films that are considered "arty":
"Ed Wood"
"Dead Man"
"Goodnight and Good luck"
"The German Friend"
Jul 16, 2007 - 1:51 PM
David Sones (Allardyce)
I'm 35 and, in many ways, I like B&W film more than color. B&W is more artistic in regard to lighting and shadows and atmosphere. When I was a kid, I always stayed up late and fell asleep on Saturday nights to B&W films shown on my local channel (that's how I saw all the Basil rathbone sherlock holmes films when I was in my pre-teens). B&W is cinematically and atmospherically comforting somehow...I can't really describe it.
As for younger generations, I have been told by a few who don't like B&W that they "can't relate to it"...whatever the hell that means. I think B&W requires more attention to watch. Since we see in color, B&W requires a precisive eye to really absorb everything visually...and I believe that some people, particularly those who were not as exposed to it as we were...I think they truly have difficulty seeing everything when there isn't color. It's a shame.
Jul 16, 2007 - 2:10 PM
Stefan Miklos
Jul 16, 2007 - 4:24 PM
Euhm... Regarding the older movies: black & white movies where black & white because the technology for color did not exist yet or it was too expensive to implement.
Amongst black & white movies I find that there is an equal amount of good movies and pure crap, just as there is with color movies.
The switch to color did not put a stop to beautiful contrasting images or stylish photography, it simply added a lot more artistic freedom. Imagine a movie like Suspiria in black & white, it would lose a lot of its charm!
Regarding watching black & white movies, I have no problem with doing so, as some of them have stood the test of time pretty well!
Yet a lot of B&W movies I find harder to watch because the acting is often so stiff and the music is more than often pretty dominant! But watch any color movie from the 80's and even now the MTV styles seem a little over the top
I understand why people like the B&W movies and that is probably why a lot film makers chose that style to film even today.
I only refuse to watch B&W movies when they're shite
Some of my favorites: Night of the living dead, Psycho, 12 angry men, the fly, The Call of Cthulhu, Schindler's List, Good Night, and Good Luck
Jul 16, 2007 - 5:38 PM
Joe E.
I'd be astounded to find anyone who frequents this board refusing to watch b&w movies. I'm sure there are many here who specifically like the look of such films.
I seldom or never encounter people who refuse to watch black & white. I half-suspect the reports of such people making up as much of the total collective audience as they're supposed to are somewhat exaggerated, but I certainly wouldn't assert it on the basis of my own limited experience.
, Michael Giacchino
Jul 16, 2007 - 5:53 PM
Euhm... Regarding the older movies: black & white movies where black & white because the technology for color did not exist yet or it was too expensive to implement.
Nonsense; hand-tinted color is practically as old as cinema, itself, and three-strip Technicolor was introduced into feature films in 1935. The prevalence of black-and-white film until the early 1960s was due both to artistic and economic considerations, though the latter was a question of whether a film's boxoffice prospects would be enhanced by color to the extent that they would exceed the extra cost, not because it was financially unfeasible.
Jul 16, 2007 - 5:56 PM
The funny thing about good B&W cinematography, especially when projected in a movie theater, is this strange sense of depth – not as in "3D", but rather "layered" … it's hard to describe. Color photography of course has different and potent possibilities, but it's rather 'flat' in comparison. No mystery.
Jul 16, 2007 - 6:05 PM
Nonsense; hand-tinted color is practically as old as cinema, itself, and three-strip Technicolor was introduced into feature films in 1935. The prevalence of black-and-white film until the early 1960s was due both to artistic and economic considerations, though the latter was a question of whether a film's boxoffice prospects would be enhanced by color to the extent that they would exceed the extra cost, not because it was financially unfeasible.
Well you are right about the switch taking quite some time but even when most studios had the capabilities to make color films, they were not wildly popular at first because early tinting techniques and Technicolor film left much to be desired.
It is also reasonable to presume that a lot of film makers did not like the change and were pretty skeptical of it at first.
Anyway, the artform is not lost so we can now enjoy both.
Jul 16, 2007 - 6:18 PM
.....I'm a big fan as I grew up with them and don't know any better. Plus, it's FAR harder to shoot black and white than colour. If your contrast ratio is off then you are a goner, for everyone to see.
I would love to hear Manderley's comments on this, but I think if b/w was still prolific today (as much as colour), the number of cinematographers out there would go down by two thirds.....
I LOVE Black-and-White films from the Golden Age. They "seem" to have an artistry not prevalent in color films---probably because they use "hard" light as their key ingredient---which creates hard-edged shadows and highlights which contemporary color films using softlight or reflected light can't, in the same way. But this kind of hard edge lighting CAN also be done in color films, and I've always felt that LEAVE HER TO HEAVEN, ELMER GANTRY, and SLIGHTLY SCARLET, are good examples of color films of the past which had noir underpinnings insofar as the lighting goes. There are many others, of course.
Probably my favorite cameramen are ones who worked in the Golden Age in B&W, or at least started there. The last---to me---well-photographed B&W film was IN COLD BLOOD (with an additional nod to YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN.) I really wanted to like DEAD MEN DON'T WEAR PLAID---and I did like the movie itself---but I felt the cameraman, even though he attempted valiantly to match to the old style, really didn't understand how that style was mechanically accomplished, and was filtering it through his contemporary understandings. One of my old friends photographed RUMBLE FISH, and I thought that was also a valiant attempt to bring back the past style, but it was severely hampered by today's technology and budgets, because the studio "printed" the B&W film on color stock to save money and time (as is often done today).
Many years ago I worked on a project in which I was the cameraman, and Ernest Haller---one of Warner Bros. great cameramen who shot many of the Bette Davis B&W films as well as being the top cameraman on GWTW---was brought in as a consultant. I had been trained originally in B&W only, by several of the best, and it was a special experience working with Haller, and learning even more "old" tricks.
At that time, it must have been the late '60s, GONE WITH THE WIND had recently been released, the image cropped for the big screen, and projected in 70mm. I was young and more idealistic then, and when we sat down to lunch together, I started talking to him about this film, and how I was really upset at how they had compromised the original imagery he had worked so hard to accomplish. I was, therefore, stunned to hear him say, "Gee, I liked it." He felt that, considering what they intended to do, they had attempted to do it in the best way possible, and that, in his estimation, the close-ups and long shots were well-handled, whereas the medium shots were difficult to fit into the frame (though the choices they had made were correct.) I couldn't believe I was hearing this, but as I've thought about it over the years, I realized that cameramen, as well as being artists, were always looking toward new things---from finer-grained negative film stocks so you wouldn't see the grain, to sound, to better printing stocks, to 2-color, then 3-color, then color negative, to wide-screen and CinemaScope and 70mm---and on and on. My whole outlook changed and although I tremendously enjoy the old concepts, I am more accepting of the new, in many cases. I also remembered how "archaic" I had found silent films to be when I was younger, and I still find the poorer ones hard to watch today.
I like colorization.
Not the cheap stuff most of us saw at the beginning, of course. The "Color by Colorization" company developed the first viable process---it was first used by the extant Hal Roach company in the '80s on the Laurel and Hardy shorts and TOPPER---and was excruciating! Colors were badly chosen, didn't follow the outlines, sometimes dropped out on on individual frames, and couldn't properly track moving action.
Then along came CFT, "Color Film Techologies". This was a step up, but not much better. As with many businesses, time and detail is money and it was the same with colorization. The application of color to each frame is time consuming, and the application of more and more location points, and variations, of color to each frame is even more time and money. With a limited budget, compromises have to be made and it is usually made in the realm of how many colors will be applied to each shot and how many locations they will be applied---that BECOMES the budget. CFT was the process first used on the Turner Entertainment films. It appeared to me that the first reel or so of the films, the last reel, and maybe a reel or so in the middle were given preferential treatment and the rest sloughed off. Apparently CFT's deal with Turner was that Turner would license the films to CFT for colorization, essentially free-of-charge, CFT would colorize them on their own buck, then would air them on their syndicated color network, receiving the money from the in-place pre-sold integrated commercials in the broadcasts as their colorization fee, and Turner would receive the colorized master for their library. CFT very soon went out of business---as the costs of doing the colorization came very high, and their process was very time consuming.
Then, along came AFT, "American Film Technology", a much better, refined process, working more in the digital realm, which completed the Turner color contracts. The colorization processes of B&W films we see today are generally much more highly advanced digital versions of the AFT original concepts.
One of the drawbacks remaining in colorization today is that we have rarely seen the process used on old B&W material which has been digitally transferred at high bit-rates. But it is out there in more scattered examples. The Shirley Temple films have been colorized AGAIN, this time they look much, much better on DVD. I was always impressed with the 10-or-so B&W John Wayne films done by Republic Pictures Home Video before being taken over by Paramount. There were a number of very creative decisions regarding the color choices made in those, and I felt that it opened up the possibilities even more. The "Legend" film releases (usually released on Fox Home Video) of several Universal Sherlock Holmes films, the Ty Power MARK OF ZORRO, and the public domain films THE GREAT RUPERT and BEYOND TOMORROW, are all examples of where colorization (of B&W films) is headed, and where we still have to go. Unfortunately the costs are still high, though coming down as much technology and skills are being developed.
Some of those who don't like the idea of "colorization" probably are not aware of how much color enhancement is being done to today's film and broadcast material. Very little film and TV is now free of any color enhancement, and you see it regularly in shows like CSI: MIAMI, CSI: LAS VEGAS, and nearly every movie you can name---particularly the big-budget ones. It is often subtle, but it's still there, and I doubt that many a cameraman shooting today would be able to achieve his "style" without it.
So what's the problem? Well, mainly it has to do with today's perceptions of how the "original" artist intended it. One of the old arguments is that, "If they'd wanted it in color, they'd have made it in color." That's simply not true in most cases. Budgets, time constraints, WWII, and especially, limits on Technicolor camera bodies, dye-transfer print manufacturing capabilities, and a viable single-negative color process, held mass-production of color films down during the '30s and '40s. Once the '50s had arrived and several color negative stocks were available, the B&W film was doomed. No matter how purist you wish to be about it---color was an advancement over black-and-white---FOR THE GENERAL AUDIENCE.
And from my ancient perspective of talking with the old cameramen from this day, I'm sure from their conversations they would have been happy to have color sooner, and also to have NO grain in their film negatives (---which, in those days, was a real bugaboo, despite current purist beliefs in the "film look with grain". By their lens exposures and lighting they made as many attempts as possible to reduce or eliminate the apparent grain, and were always happy when a new, finer grain film stock was developed by Eastman, Du Pont, Ilford, or whoever.)
In one of those "looking-back-on-it" quirks of the past, Dore Schary at MGM in the early '50s continued to maintain a budget line of B&W "B" pictures for several years. During this period John Arnold, an old '20s cameraman who was later head of MGM's camera department for years and years, suggested to Schary that since they had new non-Technicolor 1-strip color stocks (....MGM had pioneered the use of Ansco color negative at their lab in the early '50s which made in-house processing and printing available easily), which could be shot in any camera, why not shoot ALL their films in color, deciding later whether to release in black-and-white or color, but always having a color film negative as a master. Looking back at this idea from today's perspective makes one think it was prescient, at least regarding today's markets, but Schary apparently felt it added just a few too many thousands of dollars to the budgets of these B's and never implemented the idea.
Finally.....I've never been an advocate of substituting forever a colorized film for a B&W one, but I see no reason why they can't co-exist side-by-side, as long as the original is maintained.
It is historically interesting to note that Frank Capra was involved with the first colorization attempts on IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE, and withdrew his support only after, apparently, he wasn't paid the fee he thought he was due. Joseph Walker, the cameraman on the film, complimented the process, and was later roundly criticized for his approval. Recently Ray Harryhausen has lent his support and apparently, approval, to the colorization of several '30s films he worked on---all to the amazement of some stunned "film as art" observers. It is also interesting to note that the industry has always attempted to work color into films, even primitively, from the days of tinting and toning, Pathe color stenciling, 2-color Technicolor, Magnacolor, and Cinecolor processes, to the 1950s-60s experiments in hand-coloring-and-rotoscoping test reels of footage from GRASS, a silent film, and CASABLANCA.
Jul 16, 2007 - 6:37 PM
Stefan Miklos
Probably my favorite cameramen are ones who worked in the Golden Age in B&W, or at least started there. The last---to me---well-photographed B&W film was IN COLD BLOOD (...).
It's interesting that you mention this film which was shot by the late Conrad Hall who learnt his craft with five Golden Age cinematographers in the 1950's and one in particular named Ted McCord. When Conrad Hall started in the business, he was again under the influence of Ted McCord but interpreted it his own way, of course.
Jul 16, 2007 - 7:18 PM
I am awe. You have no idea how special all of this is to me.
In a way, I don't want to know your identity, because my mind would blow and I'd annoy you with career retrospective threads. That said, I have narrowed you down to one of five DPs now.
I am also pretty sure we have crossed paths in some way or another before.
To my mind three strip and black and white proved to be the best disciplines for the cinematographers whose work has most impressed me. Of course, those who assisted during that period (and I am assuming that would include yourself) went on to define what I call the most exciting era of cinematography in the late 60s through the 70s. With the faster stocks, faster lenses, pushing, Chemtone/Flashing- but with all the classical disciplines that taught them the trade such as hard light, contrast ratios- the results were nothing we'll ever see again. A transitional period in which the best of both worlds complimented each other (even if the conservative Golden Agers hated it). However, most of the DPs I have met from that era (seemingly much like yourself) don't hold much of an affection for it- they are like you more interested in the time before them (pre and just post war) or are all read up on the RED camera. Maybe it's a generational thing...
What do you think of Freddie Francis' work on THE ELEPHANT MAN? I can't think of anything more timeless. That has all of the dramatic hard light you mention and so much more. On the other end of the (monotone?) spectrum, David Watkin's work on THE KNACK has to be my favourite for black and white soft naturalism.
PS you forgot to mention the equally blasphemous/innovative for the time tinting that Ray Mercer's company did on Giorgio Moroder's "restoration" of METROPOLIS.
Many many thanks and please post about this stuff more often!!
Jul 16, 2007 - 7:30 PM
.....In a way, I don't want to know your identity, because my mind would blow and I'd annoy you with career retrospective threads. That said, I have narrowed you down to one of five DPs now. I am also pretty sure we have crossed paths in some way or another before.....
Your comments are always welcome and your remarks about your own world always interesting, ahem, but please don't get your hopes up. I am not one of the five---or ten.
The only thing I can tell you is experiences going back many years.
To paraphrase Friedhofer, "I was a pygmy in a land of giants." But I have worked for, and among, the best.
Freddie Francis' work on THE ELEPHANT MAN was superb. Cardiff, Haskin, Neame, Francis, and others, in hindsight, should have aways stuck to photography.
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Joe, That's exactly why I try to find books that include some of the masters' contact sheets. The "expanded" edition of Looking In, the catalog for Robert Frank's show currently at the Metropolitan has the contact sheet for each of the photographs in The Americans. There are couple of Cartier-Bresson's contacts in his Scrapbook. But in the final analysis, what difference does it make how you decide on a vantage point? The important thing is that you decide on one.
The obverse is also true: refusing to get an education all but guarantees a pattern of failure.
It sure sounds as if you're right, Rob. Surely nobody could ever teach you how to see. Fortunately, some of the rest of us have had the good fortune to encounter good teachers and to have an open mind about learning. Eric
No you don't have to get a formal education, but absolutely you will not do as well studying on your own. Can you provide any facts at all to back up your postulate? Can you show me any profession whose ranks are filled with self-educated people? A profession other than, ya know, operating a shovel or other similar "professions."
Photography comes to mind. Most photographers, even ones who do photography for pay, do not have degrees in photography. And how many professional musicians have music degrees? Some, but certainly not the majority...
Justan, I'll add people who design and write good software systems. I've known a whole bunch of software engineers and programmers and I've never met one who was top-notch who wasn't self-taught. Which is not to say some of them didn't have advanced education -- as opposed to training. My closest friend in the field was a PhD in computer science. He was a very good programmer, but that skill didn't come from his education as a computer scientist. If you understand what's taught as computer science you'll understand what I'm saying. He had a particular ability to do the kind of logic system architecture requires and he taught himself how to apply it. The theory and research he immersed himself in from his formal education certainly made life easier for him, but that wasn't what made him the kind of system architect and programmer he was.
Sorry Russ, You're off the mark here.Self taught programmers are the main reason we see so much software that never makes it past version 1.1
Sorry Russ, You're off the mark here.Self taught programmers are the main reason we see so much software that never makes it past version 1.1Spaghetti code, complete lack of documentation, ignoring hardware architecture and needs, the complete disregard for scalability, programs that work on the machines they were written on, but not others, code that is not portable between platforms and the list goes on and on....I doubt very much that Adobe, for example would allow someone without qualifications to design their software.Yes, creativity in programming is indeed very important, but if the architect did not build the load bearing walls properly, the house will collapse.
People change their mind if and when they are open to valid input.
But first, inability touches nearly all in one way or another. Lets call the point of inability the line. What Im expressing is that among those who can do, the line can be pushed back formidably by education.
But now back to your point of if you have it or dont. If you are among the can do group, the real issue is what you do with your skills and abilities. You said that Henri sucked at painting. Ill accept that on its face. That was the line for him. The key point here is that Henri had an inability in one area, turned to another field, and excelled in that field. His knowledge and education in painting made that possible. Its not the first time in history an inability brought out someones true genius.
You won't learn anything about the "best crop" from Cartier-Bresson because he didn't crop.
Reminds of a saying I once heard"Those who can, DO!""Those who can't, TEACH!"Hummm... where does that put some of as that do & teach?
Maybe you can't, but I certainly CAN. Every one of HCB's image was cropped in his viewfinder.


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Ray's Own Brand is a brand of beef jerky produced by a business of the same name, located in San Luis Obispo, CA. It was started by Raymond Cattaneo and wife Nina Marie in 2003.
It seems these days I keep reading about a growth in popularity over beef jerky produced from the central coast of California, an area known for its cattle ranches and fine wines. The two are often paired together where "artisan jerky" is washed down with a sip of red wine.
Ray's beef jerky business follows his barbecue service, Cattaneo BBQ Service, which has grown in popularity across the central coast of California since 1971. He's been in the meat industry since the age of 9, when he started working in his family's business.
Ray's Own Brand is a husband & wife operation with Ray overseeing the individual batch processing, with Nina Marie directing all business operations. They make their own beef jerky at their own faciliy.
Beef, teriyaki sauce, black pepper, spices, garlic, sodium nitrite.
I get a teriyaki flavor immediately upon putting a piece into my mouth, followed by a bit of saltiness, and then followed by the natural meat flavors.
The teriyaki taste is light, but enough to let you know that it's teriyaki sauce. As I get into the chew, much of the teriyaki taste wears off and I'm left with the salt and natural meat flavors.
The natural meat flavors give off a strong beef taste. It's a sharper beef taste when compared to the smoother Gary West Meats brand of jerky. This is more similar to a grilled steak. If you'd rather have a beer with your beef jerky (like me), I think a porter would pair up well this.
The saltiness is moderate, it's largely the main flavoring in this, despite it being a teriyaki variety. While the nutrition label shows this has having a very high sodium content (787mg), keep in mind that the label represents the entire 2oz package being one serving. That would work out to about 394mg of sodium in a 1oz serving, well within the moderate range for jerky.
The black pepper seasoning is something I taste after several bites of this jerky; I get its aftertaste in the back of my mouth.
Overall, this is a jerky that largely emphasizes its natural meat taste, while adding a slight bit of flavorings. The meat taste is what lasts throughout the chew, along with a moderate saltiness.
Meat Consistency
These are cuts of whole meat, sliced thick, and in small to medium sized pieces. I'm reviewing the 2oz sized package, and is thus not big enough for larger pieces.
This is a dry jerky that retains its flexibility when bent against the grain. If bent with the grain, it cracks open. Tearing a piece apart requires a bit of effort with the grain, but is not anything that would detract from the overall enjoyment. But based on how thick these pieces are, you couldn't bite against the grain.
Chewing also requires a bit of effort as well, mostly based on its thick pieces. You're best to just bite down on a single grain, and strip it off like string-cheese.
There are a few bits of fat here and there on these pieces, which is enough to provide this jerky with an added taste dimension, and gives my mouth and lips with the fine coating of oil. I also find some bits of chewy membrane remaining in my mouth after chewing, but not anything that can't be swallowed down. Otherwise, no tendon or gristle.
Overall, it's a good meat consistency.
Product Value
Ray's Own Brand sells this Teriyaki variety from its website at a price of $7.00 for a 4oz package. That works out to a price of $1.75 per ounce, putting this in the average price range.
For that price, I think it provides a good value for general beef jerky enjoyment. It offers a great taste and a good meat consistency, and it does offer a great snackability.
But as a teriyaki variety, it's a weak value. If you love teriyaki flavored jerky, there really isn't much teriyaki taste in here. The teriyaki flavoring is there enough to be recognized, but then wears off quickly as you start chewing, and is mostly left behind as a saltiness.
But if you love jerky that emphasizes its natural meat flavors, this is a great value. That's really what this is about, anyways. I find a sharp beef flavor in this, which I think is further enhanced by the tiny bits of fat.
I'm giving this a good rating.
This teriyaki variety from Ray's Own Brand does a great job of emphasizing the natural meat flavors, and a slight bit of teriyaki, in a good meat consistency.
What kept me giving it a higher rating is that I prefer jerky that also belts out its advertised flavor. Perhaps many others prefer the lighter teriyaki taste to further emphasize the natural meat flavors. It's also a tad on the tough side, just a tad.
The package actually states, "Sweet and Tender", but I can't really say that it is. There's very little sweetness in this, perhaps only detected from the surface of these pieces, and the meat consistency is not tender by any means.
However, this is still a savory jerky, one that I really enjoyed mostly for its natural meat flavors. I also enjoyed the bits of fat in this meat consistency because it added a more "beefy" flavor to this.
Rating: Good
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Friday, August 22, 2008
Ray's Own Brand - Teriyaki
Ray's Own Brand is a brand of beef jerky produced by a business of the same name, located in San Luis Obispo, CA. It was started by Raymond Cattaneo and wife Nina Marie in 2003.
5 comments:
- AnonymousOctober 9, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Ray's teriyaki beef jerky is so tasty! The teriyaki flavor is like no other beef jerky I have had before!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousOctober 21, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Overall, I find this to be a very addicting jerky from Ray's Own Brand. In fact, I've tried all the varieties from them, and love them all. Raymond Cattaneo you're the Best!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJanuary 10, 2009 at 9:09 PM
The jerky is overpriced and not as good as what his father made at Cattaneo Bros.ReplyDelete
Steve, I enjoy your reviews a lot. I think you ought to change your requirements for "best" rating. Often you take points off if the flavor is not as advertised. For me, it doesn't make much difference what the flavor is. If it's advertised as "hot" and it's kind of mildly spicy, it won't bother me because I'm not a person that is biased towards any flavor of jerky. I like the hot, the sweet, the peppered, etc. If the jerky is well made, it will taste good no matter the flavor.ReplyDelete
I just bought some of Ray's but avoided the teriyaki because it didn't get a best rating. But now looking closer at your review, I find that it wasn't given a best rating over a technicality in the advertised flavor.
Chris, it's a good discussion, and I've tossed it around in mind also. For example, I love hot spicy jerky. So when I see a jerky brand advertised as "hot", more often than not I will feel compelled to part my money for it. But when I discover that it's actually mild, I feel ripped off, and that jerky suddenly loses some snackability.ReplyDelete
I think that many people make purchasing decisions based on what the packaging says. So when Ray's Own Brand offers a "Teriyaki" beef jerky, people expect to get teriyaki flavor in return. And therefore, I have to evaluate it as a teriyaki jerky.
But you're right in that all jerky can still be excellent jerky on its own merits. I've recognized that in many of my reviews.


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zz^s 3 s " t ff f l ..... s . ■, • . . j vocdtcs ot slate rights nowac.knmvlc i e pruclicaav tacked while sitting m their shanty or tent by a nttm j the existence of no rights hut those claimed by the ber of laborers employed on the road and most inlaw j president m tiie l'roclaimition and the psotest in re manly butchered finding afterwards that one of the \ ply w have heard little but stile fulsome adulat'-n o persons attacked had not been killed the villains on the i l i e iicro ot * wew &*%**% and tne destroyer of the next night forced the house in w-iiioh he lay and deli . th-e.ii 1 1 ■, .... r . ... , ... ,. '. . ... i ne touow.ng gentlemen have addressed the house berately murdered him by cutting open the hack of ins h n f avor ot - tiie stenoiutions :— messrs poua jordan head and taking out his brains ! several of the mili bragg and daniel ; and messrs craige fleming oui tary companies of baltimore promptly repaired to the i l aw i barrmger manly long ami giaham in oppoai scene of these cruelties and we are happy to state that '■tl .'" to theni - tne discussion has attract d a goo deal upwards of 300 of the laborers on the road have been i £ ; du .™ uo "' and whatever may be the result the de ' , , , , , , ,. " ... ; bate has prove that there i:s in aorth carel-na a la apprehended aim marched to tne prisons m baltimore > i en ted host of young men ardent m their patriotissn to be tried fat the otience j and inflexible 111 their devotion to the constitution md the charleston papers bring us an account of two of ; kaw s of their country who must iltisaately triumph the most cold-blooded murders tiiat we recollect ever ove * n t 2£*zi ib * , *? c ? * patssnage . , 1 1 rm ii mr haywood addrusse.i tiie house last l.mlav bm to have seen recorded they were perpetrated by a before he collc i k ; efl lhe houae adjulirmvi ami £ wi n villain named ferguson at cedar shoal chester die of course be entitled to the fl.xir to-morrow trict s c on the 12th ultimo the circumstances tre ! there is a good deal of fettering n the van bunm briefly as follow : ferguson went to the store of cape ' ra s "> , in ' 1 nothing short of tne rigia arbitrary disci kodnian and sold him a small bag of cotton ; in the set v hnc f t /, ie r >'' c:u1 kee 9 fcll0u = r|1 together now to .. " ,, , j . 0 , ,, pass the resolutions tkrment for it a small balance in money was due to r g 1 1 1 t , _. 1 , ., «. . . , . ....... , , , r mrong appeals have been made to the state pude of which he insisted upon having but which rodman toid those who show a disposition to sacrifice one of n ca him it was inconvenient to pay but should be hamlod rolina's most gifted and chivalrous sons as a victim to to him as soon as change could be procured f became tne inordinate ambition and inexorable vengeance of enraged swear.ng that if he was not paid then he would one who } ms : ' lreili 3 treated her with indignity 111 the " d .- ,, • • , ,. .,- ., 1 person ot another ol her favorites but unhapoilv for sue r at this juncture mr v aiker a respectable m m i 1 a.«i . ,". 1 zn i'l 7 «« j . ' ' r aordi carolina such api als fall upon the impenetra citizen of tie place stepped into the store and enuea ble prejumcesof p '-..-:..>, like the g ntk dewsof hen vored to pacify f assuring him that he should receive ven upon the rug 1 : c granite what was due to him ferguson immediately laid lioid " cannot however at present despair of future ser of walker threw him down and was severely beating ce * s *° lho w <*'" ll,ri y the time will soon c.r , . r • , e , . 0 v nen in the calm retirement of private life remote him wrien roijman inteterred to seuarate them tei c tytlti r .... r . ' - troin tne contagious influence of party excitement trie guson then drew out his knife and stabbed rodman in moderate and the reflating will pause and ponder no two places after which he went up to walker sitting the past the present and the future and reason tor a on trie counter and stabbed hun in the left temple — tune suppresed by passion will reassert her bstay arid rodman expired in 48 hours after and waiker in 24 bring back many an honest hut misguided bead to tht the murderer made his escape after perpetrating his path of patriotism it is a consummation devoutly to horrid butcheries the governor of south carolina be hoped for has offered a reward of ijjs'joo for the apprehension of it gives me pain to state what i am constrained t o ferguson : he is represented to be a young man about believe that th success of the convention b il is •;>- 22 years of age six feet high large make dark skin tremeiy doubtful last year it passed tiie senate and and wears large black whiskers — has a downcast coun was lost in the house now its fate is most doubtful in tenance high cheek bones dark eyes and heavy brows the senate tins subject is affected by and arl'-cts ! every measure of importance that is agitated and ( am 0^7 editorial chnngc a id consolidation — con painfully convince that until it is bottled onr state dry raguet the talented champion of state rights and never can take her proper rank in the fedeial constt-1 editor of the philadelphia examiner has recently pur lat ' on - . ...... . . . ", 1 i.u . uv u ♦ e idui iik r » »' en saml f patterson of wilkes principal herk chased the establishment of the philadelphia gazette * ,. «.: ,," .. - . 1 . 1 r r k 1 ' ot the senate was this ties elected rreisuror of the and entered into copartnership with robert t conrad gt vice william s mb.ion esq resigsssi the able editor and proprietor of the commercial in . ■the attention of congress is earnestly invited to the j | regulation of ttie deposites in the state banks by law , although the power now exercised by the executive i department in this behalf is only such as was uni ! | rbrtnly exercised through every administration from j ; the origin of the government up to the establishment | of the present bank yet it is one which is susceptible of regulation by law and therefore ought to be so re gulated the power of congress to direct in what ' places the treasurer shall keep the money in the trea j sury and to impose restrictions upon the executive au thority in relation to their custody and removal is un limited and its exercise will rather be courted than | discouraged by those public officers and agents on whom ! rests the responsibility for their safety it is desirable i that as little power as possible should be left to the pre i sidcnt or chjuictary of the treasury over those institu tions — which being thus freed from executive influ ence nn without a common head to direct their ope rations would have neither the temptation nor the abi i lity to interfere in the political conflicts of the country not deriving their charters from the national autbori ' ties they would never have those inducements to tried i die in general elections which have led the bank of uhe united states to agitate and convulse the country for upwards of two years ■! to be completed in our next the debate on dr potts's resolutions was continued up to the date of our last accounts from raleigh — but the register of tuesday last expressed tho belief that the question on their passage would be taken on the succeeding day wednesday ed legislative items on saturday last a biil was introduced into tbe ii of commons to reduce the salaries of the judges ofthe supreme court of the state the committee on internal improvement have been instructed to consider tiie expediency of directing the public treasurer to subscribe for on the part of the state two-fifths of the slock of any charterer rail road company in the state where tkrcc-ffihs of said stock shall first have been taken by individuals ; and to borrow the necessary money for the purpose on the faith of the state a resolution was offered on saturday last proposing to adjourn on the 20th instant next saturuay it va read and laid on the table fj according to previous promise we this week insert the " bill concerning a convention to amend the constitution of the state of north carolina in a hasty notice of one of its provisions taken last week we were made to say that this bill proposed to allow rowan county five members in the house of dele gates it should have been five members in tiie con templated slate convention the president's message this is a very long document and we have been un avoidably obliged to leave out the first and last parts of it until next week in order to give in this paper the views of the president upon the two subjects which oc cupy at this time so large a space in public attention — viz our relations with france and the concerns of the united states bank in regard to the first of these topics the message is exceptionable the conduct of france towards our government has certainly not been what we had rea son to hope and expect it would have been ; but there are circumstances which in our opinion excuse delay from the raleigh register of december 9 fncendiarits again — onr city has been again visited by fire and under such circumstances that j we cannot siiut out from our minds if we would the horrid conviction that we have still among us beings in human form vile and reckless enough to j perpetrate so diabolical a deed yesterday morn j i rig about 1 o'clock the alarm was given and the i fire was discovered to proceed from a stable on the i premises of mr james coman in the heart ofthe town and in the immediate neighborhood where j so many previous incendiary attempts have been made the stable as well as several other out houses were destroyed but the dwelling house was saved and the progress of the flames arrested by blowing up the kitchen had the wind been ; from the north instead of the south the conse , queuces would have been most disastrous as no thing but a miracle could have saved the entire square fuitional provision that no money shall ■■■rreasury but in consequence of an by law the palpable object of - to pri venl the expen litureof the puh • ';' '•'•'•' purposes whatsoever which shall not ** ■'' ' ■" bv the representatives of the states in congress assembled it vests claruig for what purposes the public ; '." expen . in the legislative depart efuinent to the exclusion of the exe d and it is hot within the constito i-.nty either of those departmen|[3 to pay :" u " aw " r to sanction its payment ac win consi tutionel provision the claim 11 never be paid without an appropna ' : l ■'* l-resa lh,t the bank has never ask , n it attempts to defeat the pro j - onstitation and obtain payment without j k^i 88 , '' lvt d of awaiting an anpsopri • both houses of congress and approved -•'• it makes an appropriation for itself ppeal to the judiciary to sanction it j ! ' not t.>cbnically been paid into the '"'' •'•*'•<-; tho principle attempted to be "** constitution the executive and jn s little right to appropriate and expend ' '•'■w thoul authority of law before it is " , | ! i of the treasury as to take it from • in the annual report of the secretary 7 and ni his correspondence with the l "''' nk,and the opinions of the attorney "' : >'^ it you will find a further exa *-**-<• c.auns 0 f ihe ilank and the course it from the new york commercial a k rrtiser on her part : — for instance the almost insulting lette very late from england lof mr rives in which ins vanity prompted him to say just as we were ready for the press we re j that he had overreached the french ministers in secu ceived our english papers to the 11th of nov era i r ' ing 60 [^ tge an award to our claims the president ber inclusive brought by the packet ship sheffield , } lowe ver was evidently influenced by his naturally ir i.irtrpoi i market monday jsor 10 j ritable passions when he penned the part of the mes cotto.n — the demand has been extremely aui i sag e relative to this subject his concluding suggestion mated throughout the last week and the market we think very ill-timed and injudicious it will be closed on friday with great firmness at an ad seen that he wishes congress to invest mm with discre vance of d to d per lb on the common to fair tionary p to lssue l ett ers-of-marque and reprisal qualities of american whilst in the good and fine upon the pr0 perty of french citizens in case the cham description there is scarcely any improvement bpr of ueputies should agam neo , ect to make the ne . brazil continued w glected until r nday when c , appropriatlon to settle our claims . and he ar . 1 er.iambuco was ," good request and sold freely the j t(j ghow fmnce considcr at lust weeks prices stirat and other kinds are ■, .. . . ,, . , i • <-- , . i o i this measure as a menace and that she could not un vvitlioiit alteration speculators have taken 20 i . . . - . . " ...... . r ,. a r . , im d i der the laws ot nations make it a legal cause for war 000 american 500 sural and 100 pernambuco _ . . . , , *? . . . the sales amount to 17.100 bales consisting of but , l s to point out any instance in which b0 sea islam nt 19j.i to 22d ; 30 stainod 14d to , such a proceeding has not led to a war if the nations 15,1 12.200 bowed georgia s|d to 10d ; 6540 , were an > ways equally matched in strength ; and we mobile alabama and tennessee 8jd to 10*d 14 \ are her etore atraid that this recommendation of gen 4^0 new orleans bfsl to lid the imports are jackson will have the effect to delay the action of the 7167 bags < french chamber and thus embroil us in a disagreeable misunderstanding to be de mprecated extreme cases of national hmjurj to for mlucre,and the hour consider the look " __ .,. 7~n i to t!:e " ooli bense c,t * congress for a repression of our hot to " crap-kook - tiakt r s i mll ;. ary chi.ftamv desire again to let slip the dogs mml mhrch am s and 0 i hers \ 0 f war - over our ace f ul an hnppv ct , untry . w f * are in the weekly receipt of a large number of what shall we sav to the president's " railing acr-u 1 newspapara from almost all ouartns of the i ni character of the ted states m exchange for the t^ro'tiran and would . *** u1 c be glad to have them taken pf our s al a reasons slat:on p 3 we hope his charges are founded in he price thev comprise journals ot every grade iii truth ; but in the absence of proof it appears to us that point of literary character and of every shade in poh they are more in keeping with the brawling partisans tics and would furnish the cur.ous with many a theme " n t-lu-uses than characteristic of tbe w.sdom and of conv nation ' «"*«*» that •**«* be exercised bv the occupant of newn ajpnaers the literati politician merumuts/«ni<i - »"* others bavin occasion fist aewsasipers will rind it n d the aational palace at washington hedirectlycharges vantagfous to apply for them at ties office ion the p-atik the recent mobs and murders which have .. salisbury decembtt 13 1884 disgraced the c;ty of philadelphia ! — if this is a fact telligencer — by which arrangement these two jour ivegroes for sale nals have been consolidated into one under the united title of " the philadelphia gazette and commercial intelligencer and under tiie editorial charge of both ! will be sold before the courthouse door in salisbury on thursday the loth duy of january next between thirty-five and forty \ lua hie jybg rots belonging is the estate of joseph chambers de ceased late of rowan county ikr this is perhaps the moot valuable lot of i negroes ever offered for sale in this section ofthe j country the greater part of them being young very hkelv and of good character a credit ot 12 months will be given upon bond and security with interest after six u.otiths ami el reeves derenilier is i 4 -""!.— t,l adorn >. those gentlemen conjointly either of them is a host in the good cause ; but we look for more important re stilts from their united labors success o^t small pox the board of health in halifax report tiie occurrence of one case of this distressing malady in that town the board say to the end that public excitement may be allayed and a true state ment of the case made known the bo ird of health re port that only one case has come within their know ledge and that the infected person has been promptly removed several miles from the town j£r the oath of allegiance has passed the senate of south carolina by a vote of ayes 32 noes 11 it was sent to the house of commons for concurrence in e<;koes wanted nphe subscriber wishes to purchase likely nf ; *■urges from 13 to 25 year of age ' " h forsyth which body it passed to its second reading by a majori ty of more than two-thirde estate sale oi a n r^i-ot^^^^^^^b ( fe fm * f rst °* m 9 of jcnimry vex i will t * " the highest lmi.ier,mt tiie c.in'hoo.-e in sa lisburv for several valuable negroes belonging to the battle ni the lata dr fsrntrw and on the same u"">*"dinte.y aaer the kale jhrn^m^m i it ill hire far onr year m on the f.ian m o said estate alan at ik same ftm#*j several lots in the tc.vr of sahsbury^h l wul be rented out "^ k robert macnamara m adnur v v tothe safetj ofthe pfihlic funds rernain dk and to the ironor of the american sores be taken to separate thegovern i institutions mischievous to the jj~j tn regardless of the cnmitutioii w u ' t [ | 1 rr:n the public deposites bv i ?| tension agents so far as it bad the wag the discontinuance of the receipt of ' ( ment of the public dues after the jjjt^xt the eaecntive has exercised i y to never the connection between i r >•'.» '' ( "' r " t "' thta institutioa imposes i u * ! p ' wl wnctionaries of this govern fa vest nnd most imperative aha statesville dec 13 l&o"t more bank it will be perceived by reference to the proceedings of our legislature th.it a bill has been presented for the establishment of a bank m newberu to be called the " merchant's bank the citizens of norfolk va have recently had a public meeting tor the purpose of taking into conside ration the propriety of establishing an •" independent bank and also of inr-re:t=ing the banking capital of that borough g iierally witii the view of meeting the anticipated winding up of the u states branch f£"7 the legislature of alabama has re-elected the hon william r king to the senate of the u states for six years from l*$b fourth day of march next ..■•*•■' «
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Williston City Council paid tribute to November Students of the Month at Tuesday night's meeting.
Mayor R. Gerald Hethcoat introduced the students from each of the city's schools and presented them with certificates of excellence and gift certificates for pizza.
Honored were:
Joyce Bullock Elementary
Maclayne McGowan, 2nd grade, the daughter of Paul and Scarlett McGowan who was nominated by her teacher Kim Milton.
In the nomination, Milton wrote, "Maclayne was nominated for many reasons. Maclayne is a role model in our classroom. She is one that always follows the ABC's of our class and our school. She is a very responsible student who always gives her best effort in class, and maintains a very high academic average. She is a joy to teach and a good friend to all the boys and girls in our class. Maclayne is very deserving of the Mayor's student of the month.
Williston Elementary School
Taylor Hughes, 5th grade, daughter of Emily Hughes who was nominated by Mrs. Palmer, her teacher, who wrote:
"Taylor exceeds in the classroom both academically and as a citizen. She is always the first person in class to raise four fingers in the air to indicate that the noise in the classroom is too loud, as well as the first student to start picking up trash on the floor at the end of the day.
"She always raises her hand when she has a question, or needs to throw something away.
"Her homework is always turned in promptly and completed thoroughly, done with the neatest handwriting. She will volunteer to stay in at recess to finish any work she has not finished, or to help me clean the classroom.
"Taylor is a joy to have in class and deserves to be the Mayor's Student of the Month."
Williston Middle School
Emory Allnut, 6th grade, son of Stephen and Monique Allnut and nominated by the 6th grade team. The nomination read:
"The sixth grade teachers at Williston Middle School have chosen Emory Allnut to be acknowledged as Williston Middle School's Student of the Month! This young man exemplifies model citizenship: he is kind to his classmates, has impeccable manners, and is outgoing and gregarious! He is an active member of the WMS Cross-country team and his team mates enjoy his good sportsmanship and say that he is a talented runner. Emory is fun to be around because he is so nice to others, on top of this, he is a scholar. This young man maintains straight A's in all his classes, and he gives 100% to his academics. We are lucky to have such a great student at our school.
Williston High School
William "Max" Greenstein, 12th grade, son of Bill and Angela Greenstein and who was nominated by school principal John Lott, who wrote:
"Max is a member of the Mighty Red Devil Football team and according to Jamie Baker, Head Coach, Max never misses a practice or workout and he is one of the most dependable players on our team. This is why he plays football well above his ability level. When teams have a roster of players like Max they are the ones who win championships.
"Max is hardworking and well liked by both his peers and his teachers. We are very proud of Max and his contributions to WHS."
Also honored was Derek Dykstra, 8th grade and son of Duane and Tina Dykstra. Derek was Student of the Month for October but could not attend.
He was nominated by the 8th grade team who made the following comments:
"The eighth grade team at Williston Middle School is proud to nominate Derek Dykstra as our Student of the Month. As Mrs. Leathers says, 'Derek is a polite, courteous, quiet student who does well on everything he does.'
"Derek is an outstanding student who is both motivated and focused. He uses these skills as he currently is taking Algebra 1 and English 1 for high school credit. The reason he is so successful in all that he does is, he tries to do his best. As he says, "Failure is not an option with me." Noting the importance of his parents, he says, "They expect a lot out of me."
His favorite subjects are math and science, which will serve him well in the future. His plans include going to the University of South Florida to study marine biology. He loves being out on the water. His plans also include playing football for the Bulls. He presently plays on the WMS football team.
For fun, Derek likes to do many outdoor things, including swimming. Playing football and hanging out with his friends are high on his list of things he enjoys. He also likes to read. His favorite book is Where the Red Fern Grows
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This is the earliest biography of the Saint, and the most important, and was written in pure Irish. St. Fiacc [alt: Feich] was the disciple and nephew of St. Dubtach, arch-poet of Erin. On Patrick's visit to Tara the king gave orders that none of the royal company should rise to give honour to the Saint. Dubtach refused to obey, and when St. Patrick came before the king all remained seated except Dubtach and Fiacc.
Some time after this St. Patrick wished to make provision for his converts in Leinster by appointing a bishop over them, and as Dubtach was a Leinster man he visited him in his own home to obtain his advice concerning a proper person for the office. "Fiacc is the very man you require," said Dubtach, "but at present he is in Connaught." Very soon Fiacc came in sight. " There is the man himself," said Dubtach. "But he may not wish to receive orders," said Patrick. " Proceed as if to tonsure me," replied the poet. St. Patrick prepared to tonsure the old poet, whereupon Fiacc said, " It would be a great loss to the bardic order to lose so great a poet"; and he offered himself for the service of the Church instead of Dubtach. St. Fiacc was Bishop of Sletty, near Carlow, and died about the year 510. In his memoir he says St. Patrick was born at Emptur, and studied under Germanus.
The Scholiast on St. Fiacc supplies us with the following information: " This was the cause of the servitude of Patrick: They all went from the Britons of Alcluaid across the Iccian sea, southwards on a journey to the Britons who are on the sea of Icht, namely, the Britons of Letha, because they had brethren (relatives) there at the time. Now, the mother of these children, namely, Conches, was of the Franks, and she was a sister to Martin. At that time came seven sons of Sectmaide, King of Britain, in ships from the Britons, and they made great plunder on the Britons, viz., the Britons of Armoric Letha, where Patrick with his family was, and they wounded Calpuirn there and carried off Patrick and Lupait with him to Ireland."
Written about 1400 years ago
At Nemthur Saint Patrick was born, As history handed it down; And when but sixteen years of age, A captive was led from that town.
Siccoth was Saint Patrick's first name; His father Calphurn without miss; His grandfather Otide was styled; He was nephew of Deacon Odisse.
Six years did he live in dark bonds, And the food of the Gentile ate not; And Cathraige by men he was called, Since to work for four homes was his lot.
To the servant of Milcho 'twas said To pass o'er the seas and the plain; Then stood angel Victor on rock, And his footprints to this day remain.
Departed Saint Patrick o'er Alps– On his way all successful he hies; And with German remained in the South 'Neath Letavia's wide-spreading skies.
In the isles of the Tyrrhenian sea Saint Patrick some period awaits, And as canon with German he reads, As his history still to us states
To Hibernia Saint Patrick returned, By visions from angels induced; For visions to him appeared oft, And his mind to subjection reduced.
Soul-saving was Patrick's intent, For 'twas to far Foclut's dark flood; He had heard the entreaty and wail Of children in Foclut's far woods.
For asked they the saint to make haste And Letavia's wide lands desert, That from error's dark ways Eire's men He might in life's pathways direct.
Foretold Eire's seers years of peace, Which were to remain through all time; But the grandeurs of Tara the proud Were to vanish in dust, as earth's slime.
To Leary, the monarch, Druids told Of the advent of Patrick the saint; And their visions were true, as we know From the facts which his histories paint.
Renowned was Saint Patrick through life, And of error he was a dire foe; Hence for ever his name shall be grand Among the nations, as ages shall flow.
The Apocalypse sang he, and hymns, And three fifty full psalms, day by day; He instructed and praised and baptized, And all time he continued to pray.
Nor could any cold e'er prevent That he stayed in the water o'er nights; And to gain the grand kingdom of heaven, Through the day he used preach on the heights.
By the far-famous fount of the North, Benibarka! thy waters sha'n't cease; For a hundred full psalms he used sing Each night the Lord's praise to increase.
Then he slept on a cold bed of stone, And with a wet cover was dressed; A stone was his pillow each night, Such, such was the saint's nightly rest.
To the people the Gospel was preached, With power and with miracles signed; The blind and the lepers were cured, And Death his dead subjects resigned.
Saint Patrick did preach to the Scots, And in Letavia much he endured, That whom he had won to the Lord In Judgment's dread day be secured.
Emir's and proud Erimon's sons A demon contrived to ensnare; And them did dread Satan engulf In the dark, fearful depths of his lair,
Until our apostle arrived, Who rescued and set them all free, Through sixty long years of his life To Christ's cross the brave Fenians flee.
Great darkness o'er Eire was spread, And its people their idols adored, Nor in the true Godhead believed, Nor the Trinity, too, of the Lord.
At Armagh the realm's throne has been placed, To Emania a glory to be; And far-famed is Dundalethglas church, Nor let fame from Temoria flee.
To Armagh, in his infirm old age, Saint Patrick desired much to go; But God's angel at noon met the saint, And induced him his wish to forego.
Southward to the angel he came (For Victor had been his good guide), And the bush in which Victor appeared Burned bright, and a voice from it cried:
"At Armagh let the government be, And to Christ let all glory be brought; Indeed, thou shalt come unto heaven; Thou obtainedst, because thou hadst sought."
"A hymn which you sing while alive Shall to Celts a proud armament be; And at judgment the Irish surround Their father, their patron, in thee."
After Patrick, good Tassach remained; When Patrick to Tassach Christ gave, Tassach said: "He from me shall receive"; And the prediction of Tassach was grave.
For the night was installed a bright day, And that day for one year did remain; So that over all Eire the fair Light's brilliance and brightness did reign.
Bethoron a battle beheld Of great Nun against Chanaan's sons, In which Gabaon saw the sun stand, As the Scriptural narrative runs.
For brave Josue stood the bright sun To witness the wicked all slain; Why not for Saint Patrick thrice more To illumine Hibernia's plain?
For all Eire's good clergy were come To bury Saint Patrick with pride; And the sounds of the singing from heaven Cast them sleeping all round, far and wide.
Saint Patrick's pure soul fled his frame (His works immortality make); And on the first night after death, The angels of God watched his wake.
And when Patrick departed from life, To the other Saint Patrick came he; And to Jesus, of Mary the Son, The two passed, bright and pure, great and free.
In Patrick pride's stain was not found; And great were the works that adorn This good son of Christ, Mary's Son! With God's blessing Saint Patrick was born.


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FRESNO - Farmers here in the Central Valley, home to one of the country's richest agricultural regions, are grappling with a mounting problem: pot.
FRESNO - Farmers here in the Central Valley, home to one of the country's richest agricultural regions, are grappling with a mounting problem: pot.
California's legalization of medical marijuana in 1996 and a crackdown on illegal marijuana crops in the nearby Sierra Nevada in recent years have led to an expansion of pot farms in the region's agricultural flatlands. This trend is alarming many farmers - both from the standpoint of seeing their region lose productive farmland as well as from an accompanying rise in violence tied to pot thefts.
"We're sitting in a war zone," said Dennis Simonian, whose family owns 80 acres on the outskirts of Fresno where they grow peaches, grapes and other produce.
Simonian, 70, said he noticed a marijuana crop on a 50-acre plot next to his farm three years ago but was afraid to report it for fear of retaliation. His workers said they saw armed guards stationed there and apparent pot thieves escaping through his property.
The Sheriff's Office raided the pot farm in October, just before Simonian began his annual hayrides for schoolchildren. "We were afraid: armed guards, taking kids through there," he said. "Anything could happen."
The farmers' predicament comes as domestic marijuana production has overtaken imports from Mexico, which had been the dominant U.S. supplier in past decades, according to Bill Ruzzamenti, director of the federally funded California Central Valley High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area program.
The national trend of states relaxing pot laws for medicinal or recreational use has blurred the lines between legitimate and illegitimate marijuana-growing operations - and has sown conflict with federal laws that still restrict marijuana use and cultivation. In Washington state, where residents voted last year to legalize recreational pot use, federal agents last week raided state medical marijuana dispensaries.
Indeed, some of the pot cultivation in the flatlands is taking place under auspices of California's medical marijuana program, which authorizes people who gain a doctor's recommendation to grow up to 99 plants, said Fresno County Sheriff Margaret Mims. But she said some people have been using these recommendations for much larger growing operations.
Over the past three years, marijuana growers in the Valley have been planting multiacre crops on leased land. Some grow tens of thousands of plants, hiding them in rows of bitter melon, tomatoes and other produce, and guarding fields with trip wires, motion detectors, shotguns and, occasionally, AK-47s, according to Lt. Rick Ko of the Fresno County Sheriff's Office. He said farmers of legitimate crops often complain of marijuana growers sneaking onto their fields and destroying plants to make room for pot.
"We've got people coming out into the fields cutting out a crop that we've spent every day of our lives for six months working on," said Mike O'Banion, a Fresno farmer who found about 11,500 marijuana plants hidden in about 10 acres of his corn in June.
O'Banion estimated he lost about $10,000 of his anticipated harvest after marijuana growers cut down corn to make room for marijuana. Three years ago, this was hardly a problem, O'Banion added. Now, "Just about everybody who grows corn has had something like this."
Law enforcement authorities are fighting back. From March to September last year, federal and local law enforcement agents seized about 500,000 marijuana plants as part of a crackdown called Operation Mercury, said Lauren Horwood, a spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney's office in the Eastern District of California.
In Fresno County - which produces most of the nation's head lettuce and raisins - sheriff's deputies said they have found about 343 marijuana farms so far this year, up from 72 for all of 2009. Already this year, officers have eradicated more than 136,000 plants, or more than five times as many as the 24,000 eliminated in 2003, Ko said.
Many of the growers in the flatlands, unlike in the mountains, are Laotian refugees - who fought with Americans in the Vietnam War - drawn to the higher profits of marijuana to supplement meager farming incomes, said Richard Molinar, a farm adviser emeritus at the University of California Cooperative Extension in Fresno.


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No known cure but time.
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by MKH - Don't playa hate October 03, 2006
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One of David Einhorn's childhood heroes, Dave Kingman, has a monster game on this day in 1976.
The all-or-nothing Kingman hits three homers and drives in eight runs to back Tom Seaver as the Mets rout the Dodgers, 11-0, in Los Angeles.
Once a pitcher at USC, Seaver's alma-mater, finished with a career .236 batting average, but with 442 homers with seven teams, including two stints with the Mets.
In 16 seasons, Kingman had 1,575 hits (131 a year average) and 1,816 strikeouts (152). The tradeoff was 37 homers and 101 RBI.
Kingman is one of those guys who would have severely tested the Baseball Writers Association of America had he hit 500 homers, once considered automatic entry into the Hall of Fame. Kingman certainly had the power, but contributed little else as a player.
Kingman was not considered one of baseball's greatest citizens. While with Oakland, in protest to women sportswriters, he sent a live rat to Susan Fornoff, a columnist for the Sacramento Bee.


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iOS contains a number of open source components, with WebKit probably being the most user-visible of them. I've used the mobile browsers on Android (up until 2.2), Windows Phone 7 and iOS, and there's no doubt in my mind that Mobile Safari is the most pleasant to use. Mobile Internet Explorer is certainly not as bad as some make it out to be, but good it is not. Android 2.2's browser is just as capable as Mobile Safari, but it just doesn't feel as smooth (on an HTC Desire).
Starting with iOS 4.3.0, Apple has ceased distributing the source code to the platform's WebKit browser engine. This source code is licensed under the LGPL, and as such, there's copyleft on it - we're not talking a permissive BSD license here. Since iOS 4.3.0, released 8 weeks ago, we've seen several other minor iOS releases, but no source code.
"It cannot be a simple oversight, as multiple inquiries have been made to Apple by interested developers. However, no source code until today," writes Harald Welte, "I think it is time that Apple gets their act together and becomes more straight-forward with LGPL compliance. It is not acceptable to delay the source code release for 8 weeks after shipping a LGPL licensed software. Especially not, if you have already demonstrated in the past that you are well aware of the obligations and have a process and a website to release the corresponding source code under the license conditions."
I never really dove into this stuff, but as it turns out, this is not uncommon for Apple. It took Apple a whopping six months to release the source code for components in iOS 4.1 (iOS 4.1: September 2010 - source: March 2011), a lot of which is covered by the GPL. I found this startling; Google was open and honest about not releasing BSD code for now, and here we have Apple structurally refusing to release GPL code for six months, and not a peep anywhere on mainstream tech websites.
Jay 'Saurik' Freeman, the man behind Cydia, even believes that Apple will, eventually, find itself facing a GPL lawsuit. In an article on upgrading the iPhone toolchain, he said about Apple's lacklustre approach to releasing Xcode's gcc's GPL code, "I wouldn't be surprised at all if Apple ends up on the bad end of a GPL-related lawsuit". Freeman believes that Apple never even released the source code to the gcc components in Xcode 2.5 (I couldn't find confirmation for this though, so take it as-is).
I did not see this coming. I simply wanted to turn this story into a page 2 item, and while digging around for confirmation (you have to be very careful with these kinds of stories), I stumbled upon the other cases mentioned here. I was dumbfounded - I find a delay of six months in releasing GPL source code worth reporting on - especially if you look at the major uproar caused by Google not releasing the Honeycomb code (for now), which is BSD-licensed.
I'm still unhappy about the lack of a source code release for Honeycomb, but this Apple thing is just as bad. I'm just wondering why nobody seems to be reporting this.