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Toyota Corolla Electric-Assist Power Steering (EPS)
"if you would have test driven the same vehicle you were going to purchase I assume you would have caught the problem in the particular car you have now, correct?"
No. That is incorrect. I have already pointed out numerous times such as dealers picking cars that did NOT have the EPS issue so a buyer did not know what to even look for IMO, searching in the NHTSA/ODI database, posters here and on other sites showing very clearly that people did NOT catch the problem on the vehicle they bought. So, that is four instances you can look at to see that even those that tested the vehicle they bought they did not notice the EPS. I am unclear as to why you seem to be stuck on that point.
Yet, you somehow caught it before toyota even admitted it.
Again, HOW did you know there was and EPS issue on the 09's (when toyota would not admit the problem until spring '10) and if you knew why didn't Toyota?0
Your missing the whole point. The EPS problems in some of the newer Corollas didn't just appear on its own. If you car has this problem, it had it from day one. The vehicles that have the EPS problem, had it from the very start. Now again, if you test drove the same Corolla you were going to buy, trust me, you would have known it had you taken it out on the highway as part of your test drive. On the other hand, if you test drove a demo that was a plant from Toyota as you claim, and then decided that you were going to buy a different Corolla all together, based on that test drive, I would say that was wrong and that's what I'm trying to tell you. You should always test drive the car your actually going to buy, not a demo/plant.
As far as my own particular 2009 Toyota Corolla XLE, I accuired my car in July of 2008. Even at this early stage it was documented by some that this EPS problem was showing it's face. I asked my salesman about it before I even stepped into a Corolla. Of course he didn't know anything about it. So I made it a point to order my vehicle with all possible options and accdesories that were available. I made it very clear to my salesman that my deal was dependant on my car being totally free from any defects or steering problems when it arrived from the factory. When my car came in I took it for a thourough 30 minute test drive to verify it was in perfect condition. It was free from any EPS problem or any problem whatsoever for that matter. Hence, I bought my car. To this day I have not had to return to the dealership except for the recalls that were taken care of pronto. My car is in perfect condition because I tested it before I put my money in the dealers hands.0
"As far as my own particular 2009 Toyota Corolla XLE, I accuired my car in July of 2008. Even at this early stage it was documented by some that this EPS problem was showing it's face."
That is what I am asking you - WHERE is this documentation you speak of that you used before you bought your car regarding specifically EPS issues.
"I made it very clear to my salesman that my deal was dependant on my car being totally free from any defects or steering problems when it arrived from the factory. "
Which of course it WAS NOT FREE OF DEFECTS since you where subjected to the pedal and/or floor mat recall.
So, even testing the car you buy will NOT show the defects. See, it even happens to you.
Again, WHERE is this documentation specifically regarding the 09 had EPS issues please.0
I own a Godawful driving 2009 Toyota Corolla with EPS and I can tell you a few things about EPS and the particular type of EPS they have in this particular make and model of car. This guy that trolls this message board defending Toyota against any and all negative criticism is not being honest with you or anyone else he has corresponded with about the EPS issue pertaining to the Corolla.
I don't know what sort of problem your haiving with the car but I personally think every aspect of road handling is extremely bad in the new Corolla with EPS. I just wrote a researxh report on electric power steering for one of my english classes last semester in which i detailed the different types of electric steering systems , the different manufacturers and the makes and models of cars these different makes and models of electric steering systems were being placed in. I know a bit about electric steering. I have posted quite a bit of negative things about this car in the past and I know quite a bit more now than I did then.
I don't know what your complaint is about the car what you want or expect can be done about it. I can give you an honest answer but you may or may not like it. It might not appeal to you.
I will be happy to direct you to the website of JTEKT, which is the company producing these steering systems and Toyota happens to own 25 percent of this company as well.
If you go to their website you will see several different types of electric steering systems. The steering system at the top, which is column type, is what you have in your car, the 2009 or 2010 or 2011 Corolla whichever it may be. This is by far the cheapest electric steeing system to manufacture and install in a car of all the types. If you look down below at some of the other types such as the pinion type and the rack type you will note in the descriptions that JTEKT which is the manufacturer provides they state that these two other systems provide excellent road handling and road feel. I have test driven cars with both of these other types of electric steering in them and I can attest that the cars I have driven with these other systems in them drove very well. I have driven several new Corollas with EPS and they all drive terribly. Loose wobbly steering with extremely bad road handling. Very difficult to maneuver the car in traffic. This is the way the steering system is engineered to drive. It is not a few cars having a problem. Anyone who tells you that is simply lying to you.
Let me also tell you about test driving cars. I did not notice on my test drive how bad the Corolla with EPs was going to handle. On a dinky little test drive around the block you cant really get a good feel for how a car is going to handle unless you very specifically test the handling of the car by puling it off into a parking lot and maneuvering it a little bit. My car didnt seem all that bad when I drove it around the block on the test drive but when I started driving it in traffic during normal usage it was immediately and apparently clear. I started noticing how bad it handled on the drive home from the dealer.
Anyway, I don't know what you hope to do about your car but I wish you the best.
"I don't know what your complaint is about the car what you want or expect can be done about it. I can give you an honest answer but you may or may not like it. It might not appeal to you. "
I appreciate it and all you've done. Hopefully your teacher gives you and A+ for your work and effort. I would
Before I go into any (or more) detail may I ask you if you have had the TSB fix applied?
Here is the link to the TSB which you should print and take to the dealer w/you.
Also, I would also advise you to A) call the 1-800 toyota experience number and File a complaint under 'steering' with the NHTSA and specifically the Ofiice of Defective Investigations (ODI)
Here is the link to file a complaint-
Outside of doing those three things 1st I say thanks again and will tell you I have book marked your link and ALWAYS keep my options open....0
Couple of quick thoughts - Since you have started your research and produced a paper I would suggest you A) put it online if you are comfortable w/ it because I am sure it is excellent based on your motivation to write such paper and I'd like to see it Shop that sucker around (aka e-mail it) to car media types and see if they would want to buy/use, print or post on their websites. C) Mail (or e-mail) that sucker off to JTEKT specifically to:
Chairman Kohshi Yoshida
President and Director Motohiko Yokoyama
EVP and Director Shoji Ikawa
Osaka Head Office
3-5-8 Minamisemba, Chuo-ku, Osaka 542-8502 Japan
Now, you may get nothing back which is fine. You may even hear back which is even better.
The main reason I suggest this now is to get your name and work out there because if you do and there is a recall you could stand to benefit from it. In that scenario you've already made the contacts and since you are now known they will come a runnin' back to you. So, keep all your options open for the work you've produced and the knowledge you've gained because you never know.0
once last thing-
"I just wrote a researxh report on electric power steering for one of my english classes last semester in which i detailed the different types of electric steering systems , the different manufacturers and the makes and models of cars these different makes and models of electric steering systems were being placed in. I know a bit about electric steering. I have posted quite a bit of negative things about this car in the past and I know quite a bit more now than I did then. "
I bet you do!
"I don't know what your complaint is about the car what you want or expect can be done about it. I can give you an honest answer but you may or may not like it. It might not appeal to you. "
Do tell. I've had the TSB fix applied a while back. Lets just say I am still in the testing mode.
Lay into it, pra-fessor. What did you learn about EPS? Based on what you learned how does that apply or perhaps not apply to the TSB fix in your view.0
I wrote a research report. It doesnt make me an engineer and I certainly do not claim to be one. It simply gave me a better idea about these steering systems. Without having very detailed technical knowledge about the design characteristics of the column mounted electric steering I could not accurately describe in terms my absolute belief which I will dare say is fact that there is nothing that can be done to the column mounted electric steering systems in these cars to make the steering responsive and accurate. Column mounted electric steering really is an already outdated type of electric steering. It is a primitive and poorly performing type of electric steering system. Unfortunately when manufactures start using a system like this in their cars unless there is severe pressure to change to a better system through consumer pressure or governmental pressure they will continue to produce them as long as they can as long as people buy them.
I have driven 4 different models of two different makes of cars that use column mounted electric steering and every one of them drives exactly the same. Loose wobbly steering at low speeds, sharp accurate turns are impossible, completely disconnected road feel, excessive free-play in the steering wheel etc..... The Toyota Corolla, Toyota Yaris, Nissan Sentra and Nissan Versa were the four cars. They all drove exactly the same. I believe there are 6 different settings in the Corolla for the amount of assist the car gives you depending on what speed ranges you are travelling at. Tinkering around with that feature of the steering system is not going to make the car steer more accuraterly or make the steering more responsive. This is what the so called TSB is all about and it is nothing but a customer service strategy. As i said it is an already outdated form of electric steering that performs very poorly.
I also reported this problem to the NHTSA two years ago and also contacted Toyota. I contacted several attorneys offices as well in order to attempt to start a lemon case to no avail unfortunately. I chose to learn more about electric steering by writing my research report on it in order not to make the same mistake that I did in buying my Corolla in the first place.
Go test drive a new ford car using electric assist rack and pinion steering. Earlier in some of my posts I was harping on how much better the Honda Civic and Mazda 3 handled than the new Corolla with EPS. The new Ford cars with their rack and pinion type of EPS handle much better than even the Honda Civic and Mazda 3. The Ford Fiesta is probably the best handling small car I have ever driven. I'm about to sell this piece of junk I have and buy one of those probably but not until I have test driven the Hyundai's and Volkswagens first. I doubt i will buy one of those but I still plan to consider all options.
Evidence ? - How about - Toyotanation.com - June of 2008
Insideline.com - December of 2007
Houstoncars.com - March of 2008
I could go on and on, didn't you believe me ? ? ? ? I didn't even need to write a reasearch paper to find all of this out, just had to be an informed buyer.
My Corolla was not affected at all by the recalls at all, my car was returned for me to maximize my resale value should I ever decide to part ways with my "09" Corolla.0
No here's the REAL TRUTH -
See what Biff isn't telling you is he refuses to have the "EPS fix" done by Toyota that was recommended. There were others that were affected by this EPS problem that have now had "the fix" completed that are now very happy with their Corollas.
He also fails to recognize that this problem is not Corolla wide. He insist that this problem affects all 2009 and 2010 Corollas built, and that is just not true. Read the post from others like myself that have perfect cars.
By the way he now states he still has his"piece of junk" as he puts it; many post ago he told us he sold it back to Toyota for a hefty sum and was done with it . . . . . So what is it ? ? ? ?
Maybe you'd like to take his advice and buy a Ford Fiesta ! . . . LOL0
Actually, after checking past postings it wasn't Biff that sold his "piece of junk" back to Toyota, it was spikejr1. I appologize to Biff for the misinformation. But maybe he might want to consider selling his back like spikejr1 did.0
NEVER EVER be afraid of being the "little guy". Once upon a time a cell phone carrier wanted to put a tower right next to me on quasi-public land. Guess what? In front of my City Council I was called every name under the sun - I was NOT and Radio Frequency Engineer (RF engineer) and I was NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) and anti-business and blah blah blah etc., etc., etc., Guess what? After two years there is NO cell tower installed next to me. Think they can hear me now? (FYI - Not the same celluar company of which you might think)
I hear what you're saying about Lemon Laws and attorneys. Believe me.
Also, I happen to reside in a state with some of the STRONGEST lemon laws. Briefly meaning - I do NOT have to go back x number of times during a specific time period NOR do I need to have the vehicle under warranty. This is REGARDLESS of what the dealer/maker tells me or would like me to believe. Meaning - I can be well out of warranty and STILL have a strong case. And I do NOT have to have my case arbitrated first as well. It is that simple.
So, again, I hear what you are saying. However, keep in mind that there is STILL an OPEN investigation by the NHTSA into EPS (for '09 and '10 model years) so you may want to still consider ALL your options open regardless of your time frame or the number of times you took it back to the dealer. Did you mention the NHTSA investigation to the lawyers you talked to? If not, you may want to go back and talk to them. Also, point them to this forum. ...! And you may want to start taking screen shots of this and other forums you go to. Besides a good story lawyers like things they can get there hands on...
Like I said before- I keep my options OPEN. You should too. If for any reason you, Biff, need to contact me just add an ATyahooDOTcom to the end of my screen name. I'd like to see your report.0
First off, you and I can agree to disagree. Nothing wrong with that. It's probably why forums like this are so beneficial.
That said - I still do not buy what your selling.
And you sound like your responding to the Ford commercials in regards to resale value. IMO, that is too funny.
Of course, you NEVER could know of the recall for pedal/floor mats as it was issued well AFTER you bought your car as you posted in #569. So, to say it was not affected at all by the recalls is inane (which is a word and not a typo). Your car had defects when you bought it that you did not know existed at the time.
The ONLY way it could not have be recalled is if the VIN starts with 'J' meaning your car was made in Japan and shipped over. But, I doubt it if you bought your car in the US or Canada it was shipped over IMO. ALL the north american cars were recalled. What state did you buy your car in and what does your VIN start with?
FACT:, my car was made at the NUMMI (thus my 1N start of the VIN) plant the last month of production there. This was AFTER the recall for the pedal and/or mates. Guess what? My car was STILL sold to me and THEN I received a recall for the pedal/mats. Do you want to know what my dealer told me when I asked them about this? I think you can figure it out...
Toyota was still making AND selling the cars with the 'bad' pedals contrary to them saying they stopped production to fix the issue. Unless, you believe everything you read in the press nowadays....All I know is that toyota paid huge fines to avoid admitting any wrong doing. Still does not mean they were right. And it does not absolve them from further legal action over their product IMO.
Still don't believe me? I can/will scan and post a link to my dated sales invoice AND a photo of my door sticker showing manufacture date AND my dated recall letter I received after buying it AND the dated invoice in which shows the dealer did the recall repair (which was done when I had the TSB EPS fix work) here if you'd like for you and others to see those facts. Not a problem. Just ask. I would redact any info that would identify me or my car or the dealer mind you. But, that does NOT change what I have in my possession.
Side note - Also, I will acknowledge know that I do not know if I still have the recall letter. I think I do. Even if do NOT (toyota should have a copy) have it I can still show when the car was made and when I bought and when the work was performed. Those dates where ALL after the recall was issued. Again, just ask.
I think all you've done is bolster my point that even test driving the car you buy will NOT show all the defects AND toyota knew they had issues with EPS but continued to sell the cars.
Another side note-
"Other documents obtained by the congressional panel through subpoena included an internal memo in which Toyota's top US executive boasted of limiting the financial impact of its product recalls through lobbying efforts."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110106/bs_afp/usautocompanyrecalltoyotajustice_201- 10106005127
Personally I can't see WHY someone would still buy the car after knowing of that issue. I wouldn't and toyota knew that which is why they chose the test models for customer to drive w/out the EPS issue IMO.
But, I while acknowledge your cited sources. Thank you. However, even though you found them before you bought your car I do NOT consider those sources as common places a person would look in buying a car. ESPECIALLY when a buyer does NOT know the issues existed.
Again if one does not know of a specific issue to look for then it is next to impossible to find (much like the recall of the pedals and/or floor mats)
As far as I can tell Biff has NOT said he had the TSB fix applied or not applied.
And just because you and others think the car is OK does NOT mean you do NOT have the EPS problem. You very well could be those that 'adjusted' to it.
I was not and knew there was an EPS issue with my vehicle.0
From my count there are 297 under 2009 models and 275 complaints under 2010 under steering. Although, I can not confirm they are all related to EPS since I am not going to read them all. But considering the NHTSA started the investigation at 168 complaints(combined for '09 and '10) that is a pretty good uptick if they are related to EPS IMO.
And on here we've seen someone mention rentals have the issue as well. I doubt the rentals would ever get reported.
But seems the more people know the more complaints come in. Also, if you take into account the adage - For every 1 person that complains 10 do not then I suspect there are more out there.
Search or file complaints-
I believe there is a thread to discuss "Toyota Corolla Recalls". Anyway, NO my car was not affected by the EPS problem, I made sure of that when it came in from delivery. This is something you and Biff should have done a little more extensively to avoid the problems you are now having.0
I used the mat/pedal recall as a relevant example here of how test driving the car one buys will not show the all the issues (just like EPS issue) because you said you had no issues at all and you made sure of it. I said I did not believe that thus my examples. I am NOT saying your car had the EPS issue. There is a difference.
And in my case even the issue I was aware of (pedal/mats) still existed on my car even though I did exactly what you did. So, no amount of research before hand would have helped me or others. The dealer still sold it and the manufacturer still made it.
Therefore it is not a stretch for me based on my experience to believe that toyota knew of the EPS issue and dealers picked test models that did not have the issue.
And since I was unaware of the EPS issue there is no way I could have detected it. It is unfeasible to require a buyer to read 1000 forums or websites before they buy. Otherwise, no one is going to go thru the effort and buy anything.
However IF that is the case and it is good enough in your view to go to those sites to be made aware of the issue then I ask you again - Why didn't toyota if it is good enough for their buyers? If you used those sites why doesn't toyota in regards to EPS? You would think if customers are going to websites and then coming in saying 'Hey don't sell me a car w/ EPS issues' then toyota should be looking at those same sites as well. If the buyer is using websites to be informed it is not a stretch to think toyota would want to use the same sites to be just as informed as their customers that step onto their lots and inquire about their product. Do you consider that to be a stretch for them? I don't.
Let me put it another way. Why are Budwiser and McDonald's so popular?
Because people know what they are getting before they buy it. Their expectations for the product are pre-set based on past experiences.
So basically a budwiser is a budwiser is a budwiser no matter where I buy it. Just like a McD's burger is like a burger is like a burger no matter where I buy it.
Therefore the toyota I test should be like any other toyota out there.
If it is NOT then the customer does not have a problem. The manufacturer does.
If you buy a six-pack of beer do you drink one can first? When you buy a burger do you take a bite before you buy it?
Now, sure, I can buy a bad six-pack or a bad burger. It happens from time to time. But, when it starts to happen to more than one buyer in more than one market area then the buyer does not have a problem.
The manufacturer does and needs to take any and all steps to correct the issue. If the manufacturer continues to sell the product then...
Again, that is exactly what happened to me based on my experience in regards to EPS. So, even if I knew of the issue and told them I did not want a car with EPS issues it still could have happened just like the pedals/mats.0
sjavea states - "toyota knew of the EPS issue and dealers picked test models that did not have the issue"
Yes, It's very possible that Toyota knew of the EPS problem when you bought your car, hence that's probrably why they had you test drive a demo/EPS problem free Corolla. Even more reason why you should test drive the actual car you are going to purchase.
sjavea states - "And since I was unaware of the EPS issue there is no way I could have detected it.
Yes, there is a way you could have detected it, most people test drive their actual car before finalizing the sale.
sjavea states - "If you buy a six-pack of beer do you drink one can first? When you buy a burger do you take a bite before you buy it"?
Certainly not, but when buying a car I highly suggest you DO, test drive that car first.
Can you really compare a $1.00 burger or a can of beer to a $17,000.00 car? I don't think so.0
The dollar amount is irrelevant in my examples. What I am referring to is the customer buying experience NOT the dollar amount. So, yes, one can really compare the buying experience of a burger to a car.
However, in terms of dollar amounts I do think every buyer spending a few $1K's want a car that is at least going to drive straight!!
Here are some examples of people that tested their cars and still didn't find it. You can find many more within the NHTSA database.
So, I still completely disagree with you. Testing the car does NOT ensure one will detect the EPS issue. I think it's kinda funny you won't comment of why toyota shouldn't use the websites like their customers like you say you did to find the issue. To bad they didn't because now the website the need to use (or perhaps worry about?) belongs to the NHTSA and their open investigation into EPS.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/complain/complaintsummary.cfm?odi_id=- 10302408&prod_id=695829&cmpt_id=1&type=1
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/complain/complaintsummary.cfm?odi_id=- 10302584&prod_id=695829&cmpt_id=1&type=1
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/complain/complaintsummary.cfm?odi_id=- 10308501&prod_id=695829&cmpt_id=1&type=10
Let me ask you simple question - Now that you're stuck with your Corolla that has EPS issues, do you wish you would have taken YOUR car on a half hour test drive on the highway where you would have noticed this problem? The buyers in these examples that you site made the same mistake you did, they didn't test drive on the highway as recommended by Edmunds and other auto buying guides. Now I never said Toyota was faultless for making some troublesome Corollas with steering issues, but my point remains that if you followed correct buying recommendations you would have most likely caught this problem before you made the deal and perhaps selected another car with your specifications or even ordered one like I did.
sjarea states - "I think it's kinda funny you won't comment of why Toyota shouldn't use the websites like their customers like you say you did to find the issue. To bad they didn't because now the website the need to use (or perhaps worry about?) belongs to the NHTSA and their open investigation into EPS"
I believe I did state in my previous post that Toyota most likely new some of their new Corollas had EPS issues, but by test driving mine, I knew mine DIDN'T. On another note I believe Toyota is making all Corolla owners that complain, whole by issuing repairs/replacements to the steering of those cars affected.
sjarea states - "one can really compare the buying experience of a burger to a car"
Well I don't know about you, but I can stand to get a bad $1.00 burger and not feel too bad but if I got a bad $17,000.00 car due to my own negligence I would really be pi**ed-off.0
I already told you - No I would not have detected it and that I disagree with you as I have shown in my previous posts. I was NOT negligent. Negligence implies I had some inkling that a problem existed and did further research into the issue and found there was an issue or failed not to research when I had the inkling and still bought the car and then complained. You knew the problem existed and therefore knew you should look into the issue further. I and others did not know therefore no negligence on my part could be implied.
What you might be inferring is diligence. However, even a diligent process could still not ensure the EPS issue would be detected.
If toyota most likely knew of the problem then I do not think they should wait for people to complain. They should do the right thing and issue a recall.
Any negligence would fall on a manufacturer that knows they have a steering problem and yet continues to sell those cars to unsuspecting buyers.
Maybe you or edmunds.com will e-mail/ call Steve St. Angelo, Toyota's Chief Quality Officer for North America and ask him or someone in his office to come here and read and comment on this thread.0
sjarea states - "What you might be inferring is diligence"
No, what I was inferring was negligence - as in, the failure to exercise that degree of care in circumstances.
sjarea states - "If toyota most likely knew of the problem then I do not think they should wait for people to complain. They should do the right thing and issue a recall"
I agree 100% but unfortunately and apparently you can't even trust Toyota anymore, so it's up to you and I to make sure the quality of what we buy is up to par. And personnally I wouldn't want them tinkering with my steering as I like it just the way it is.
sjarea states - "Any negligence would fall on a manufacturer that knows they have a steering problem and yet continues to sell those cars to unsuspecting buyers"
Well I guess the jury is still out if there actually is, or even if they knew about this problem, hence the investigation by the NHTSA.
sjarea states - "Maybe you or edmunds.com will e-mail/ call Steve St. Angelo, Toyota's Chief Quality Officer for North America and ask him or someone in his office to come here and read and comment on this thread"
Don't think he'll make the time for us peons, he just wants our money $$$.0
I still completely disagree with you.
Also, even looking at
10 Steps to Buying a New Car
Published: 11/08/2002 Updated: 04/30/2009 - by Philip Reed, Senior Consumer Advice Editor, Edmunds.com
It does not state anywhere in there to test drive the specific car you are buying.
The closets it gets to is:
# If you haven't already done so, test-drive all the cars you are considering buying.
Which is exactly what I did.
# Inspect the car for dents, dings and scratches before taking final delivery.
Which is exactly what I did.
Perhaps edmunds.com will update their article with your suggestion.
So, where is the negligence? Again, I completely disagree with you.0
Okay, but I sure next time you buy a car you won't fall for the demo test drive trick, bet you'll test drive YOUR OWN car, right?0
Probably not since I have driven test models before and never had problems in the past when buying a new car.
The only right thing for me to do is never buy a toyota again.0
Probrably better off with that Ford Fiesta, LOL0
Kirstie_H Posts: 11,079Maybe so. The Corolla isn't the right car for everyone.
Why argue? The OP doesn't like his car or how it performs. No amount of hindsight or debate is going to change that. Several people don't like how the EPS performs, others do. That's just the way it is.
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Correct and compounded by the fact that some just don't like it and some actually have a problem unit; it's difficult to distinguish dismay from disfunctional.0
bleschber Posts: 1biffpreston1,
I'm not sure what grade your English professor gave you on your research project, but I hope it wasn't an "A". You have hurt the quality of this discussion forum by spreading inaccurate information about the 2010 & 2011 Toyota Corolla Electronic Power Steering systems.
I'd like to set the record straight for everyone reading here, because better understanding the new EPS systems in the new cars is important. I appreciate your research into (JTEKT) , and what products they produce. But you failed to realize that for at least the (2010 Corolla) and 2011 Corola the EPS system was "Steering: Electric Power Streeing (EPS); power-assisted rack-and-pinion". In your post you said "If you look down below at some of the other types such as the pinion type and the rack type you will note in the descriptions that JTEKT which is the manufacturer provides they state that these two other systems provide excellent road handling and road feel." I hope that this is true, as it would mean that this is a system of a higher quality than the Column-type.
As an added note, the following new cars in this class have the "Rack-and-pinion" style EPS: 2011 Toyota Corolla, 2011 Honda Civic, 2011 Chevy Cruze, 2012 Ford Focus
The following new cars in this class have the "Column" style EPS: 2011 Hyundai Elantra
I would suggest you do some fact checking against the research paper you wrote, and then come back here and discuss the 2011 Corolla. In addition to that, I would also suggest you go by a Toyota dealer, and test drive the 2011 Corolla to assist in discussing your opinion on how it drives (not how the 2009-2010 model drives).
Thank you for the very thorough explanation, I hope that puts this baby to rest. . . . . . .0
Whether or not I was wrong on the Hyundai doesnt really matter. As far as the 2011 Corolla is concerned I have yet to find out. I figured your company would eventually have to switch from the extremely poor performing column type EPS that a a great many people got stuck with. A lot of people got screwed with really lousy subpar handling cars.
It remains to be seen whether the 2010 Corolla and 2011 Corolla have Rack and pinion EPS. There are even more complaints to the NHTSA regarding the 2010 Corolla for the same exact problems with the steering as the 2009 Corolla.
Toyota certainly did not do anything for those of us that ended up buying Corollas with the column mounted garbage steering. So I have nothing positive to say about the almighty Toyota Corporation.
Want to pick my posts apart how about this. You say. "But you failed to realize that for at least the (2010 Corolla) and 2011 Corola the EPS system was "Steering: Electric Power Streeing (EPS); power-assisted rack-and-pinion" then you say at the end of your post I would also suggest you go by a Toyota dealer, and test drive the 2011 Corolla to assist in discussing your opinion on how it drives (not how the 2009-2010 model drives).
"for at least the (2010) and 2011 they had rack and pinion type EPS then at the end I should somehow see how the 2011 model drives and compare it to the 2009 and 2010. So which years do Corollas have rack and pinion type EPS. Do they have it in 2010 and 2011 like you said earlier in your post or only in 2011 like you imply at the end of your post?
Toyota can stick it BTW! They have made no effort to contact me and attempt to make anything right. I guess smirking lying Jim Lentz has better things to do.
You know I really enjoyed reading about how the Toyota executive in charge of quality control who testified in front of congress in place of Akio Toyoda lied.
Heres a statement he made from the Washington Times. "Mr. Sasaki said drivers may have felt as though they were losing control over the steering, but it was not clear why. He mentioned problems with the braking system or tires as possible underlying causes of the steering problem. U.S. officials also are investigating the complaints."
Not clear why? Gee maybe the new Column type EPS. Guess he just didnt figure that the funky new column type EPS they just started putting in the cars might just be the reason for the steering complaints. No it might be the tires or the brakes. Uh Huh. Good Ol' Honest Toyota Motor Corporation. Way to sidestep the truth.
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"…when vigorous political discourse turns into bashing of public figures, it perpetuates a great lie: that they are merely the ideologies and symbols attached to them. When a candidate's ideology is mistaken for his or her personhood, it masks a crucial truth: that each person, no matter their political views, bears God's image and matters deeply to him. While pundits see candidates as punching bags, evangelicals are supposed to see candidates as, well, people. As we ponder how candidates are 'fearfully and wonderfully made,' we may haltingly come to realize that the most bold and courageous thing we each could do this election season, no matter who we vote for, is this: Love Hillary." READ MORE >
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When we discuss the role of government in protecting the common good, especially the poor and the weak, Catholics can and do have differences, as evidenced by Angelo Matera's recent article and its comments. I'd like to lay out a few principles in order to take a somewhat different tack. There's no doubt that capitalism is the… READ MORE >
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SANTA BARBARA, Calif. - If today's game was an indicator of the UC Santa Barbara baseball team's future, then the future looks pretty bright.
Powered by eight hits, three for home runs, from freshman Matt Wilkerson, Chris Malec and Matt Stevens, to go with six strong innings from another frosh, Eric Posthumus, the Gauchos coasted to a 14-3 win over Westmont for the second time this season, Thursday afternoon at Caesar Uyesaka Stadium.
The win snaps a five game losing streak for the Gauchos, who improve to 17-25 on the season. Westmont, who falls to 7-31 on the season, looked overmatched by a stronger Gaucho opponent, as the Warrior pitchers surrendered 14 runs on 17 hits.
Wilkerson's two home runs, both solo shots in the second and sixth inning, gives the Trabuco Hills Calif., native a team-leading 13 on the season, which ties the single-season UCSB record for a freshman. Wilkerson tied the record of 13, held by Jared Janke, who accomplished the feat in 1993. The 6-4 left fielder also hit a home run yesterday, in the Gauchos 11-7 loss to USC.
Second baseman Chris Malec, Wilkerson's teammate last year at Santa Margarita High School, also connected for a home run, whalloping a three-run shot in the sixth for his seventh long-ball of the year. Malec and Wilkerson's homers were back-to-back in the sixth.
Designated hitter Matt Stevens (Riverside, Calif.), another freshman, made the most of his first start as a Gaucho, going 3-for-4 with three RBI and two runs scored.
The line offensively for the freshman was a pretty impressive 9-for-15 (including pinch-hitter C.J. Cook's single), three home runs, six runs and nine RBI.
Not to be outdone on the pitching end, Posthumus held the Warriors to three runs, one-earned on six hits, while walking only one batter and striking out two. The Santa Clarita Calif., native improves to 4-1 on the season.
The last of the freshman, Alex McRobbie (San Anselmo, Calif.), struck out the side in the eighth inning.
Senior shortstop Dave Licht also had two doubles for the Gauchos. All of the starters for UCSB, with the exception of catcher Taylor Vogt (Burlingame, Calif.) , had a base hit.
Westmont racked up 11 hits in the game, getting four off reliever Keith Kelley (Walnut, Calif.) in the ninth inning. Andrew Bouman and Mitch Hawkins had three hits apiece for the Warriors.
The Gauchos will take the weekend off and will return to action next Tuesday, when they host UCLA for their last non-conference game of the season.


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Tenth in a series analyzing questions and issues surrounding the Raiders with players reporting to training camp Tuesday and practice starting Thursday:
Can Nnamdi Asomugha do more than than just take a wide receiver out of the game?
There's nothing wrong with being a shutdown corner. There are very few of them around.
But Asomugha is on an island more lonely than any corner in the NFL, and the Raiders' defensive philosophy by and large has been to leave him there.
In Asomugha's last 46 games since he broke out with eight interceptions in 2006, he has three interceptions, 20 passes defensed and one forced fumble.
Contrast that with the six interceptions and 31 passes defensed by the Jets' Darrelle Revis last year alone.
Once upon a time, Charles Woodson held the job Asomugha has now. He was the guy opponents rarely tested, and although there were some wrinkles in the nickel where Woodson was allowed to do more, he intercepted 17 passes in 106 games as a Raider. In his 62 games with the Packers, he has 28 interceptions.
Woodson and Asomugha talk on the phone often, and Asomugha conceded he was a little envious of the opportunities Woodson gets to make plays, but noted, "We don't do that here."
Asomugha upgraded his game last year as a tackler, making some physical plays at the line of scrimmage against the run. A former safety, he has the requisite ball skills, and the amount of times he gets to the ball in practice indicate he could do it in a game if the Raiders could be more creative in some of their defensive schemes.
The last year of Asomugha's contract is in 2011, barring a work stoppage. Asomugha is scheduled to make $16.8 million or the average salary of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL, whichever is greater.
Keep in mind that both Peyton Manning and Tom Brady could be up for new deals, so Asomugha's salary could be in the stratosphere.
Assuming Asomugha has another one-interception season and breaks up a handful of passes on the few opportunities he gets while teams avoid him, do the Raiders pick up the option? If you're going to pay a defensive player that much, it makes sense to do more with him.
With Rolando McClain and Lamarr Houston added to a defense which in theory should be better against the run, it should enhance the pass rush because of more second-and-long and third-and-long situations.
Less time to pass means more mistakes from quarterbacks, and changing things up with Asomugha, rather than have him anchored to one side, would result in more plays made by a player dying to make them.
We'll get an idea in training camp if there are plans to unchain Asomugha.
Previous camp questions:
Can the starting linebackers hold up in coverage?
Can Higgins return to '08 form?
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Sooooo, this is pretty slack. I have excuses! Well, mostly one excuse. She's quite small but takes up an inordinate amount of time. Also, it was my birthday and I got an iPad. I thought I would barely use it but as it turns out, it has barely left my hot little hand and I don't remember the last time I turned the computer on. Totally unprecedented and I have actually changed my Internet workflow to accommodate it. The shame. Therefore I am trying to figure out how to blog via iPad before this thing withers up and dies completely. I now have a little dongle thing which lets me transfer my camera photos (issue 1) and the wordpress app installed (issue 2) and I think I have a way via Instagram to actually post said photos (very major issue 3). Let's find out, shall we? Also I think I need a keyboard. My hands already feel like they're crunching up into claws.
Last time we talked, baby Alice looked like this:
Well, usually she is more sort of upright. And although it looks like the Frog has dropped her, in fact I laid her on her side and she raised her leg and arm. Tricksy!
The Hair. You are jealous.
Someone found a cosy place to sleep. I had to put a saucepan in the pram for a week or so until he reluctantly admitted defeat.
Baby Jail! Confined while we helped friends move house. This is last week, Alice is five months old and the hair is finally making a break for it. It all fell out in the bath over about three days… floating on top of the water in a thick layer. I hope it starts growing in again soon as I barely recognise her.
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And this is yesterday at Fed Square in the freezing cold. She has to wear hats now to keep her head warm. Yes, many of the hats have ears. I'm not made of STONE here, people.
So now you're up to date. It's all going well and finally my habits of talking to myself in public and pulling ridiculous faces are paying off. The Frog dog is happy with all the company during the day while he maintains his busy sleeping schedule, and walks well with a pram. As shown the Orange Cat is doing less well on the sleeping front but is holding his own. And unfortunately the other cat, who has been turning more and more feral over the past few months until we could barely touch him, met his end on the busy road. I am sick of losing cats so we will be sticking to the one remaining representative from now on. He is a ginger, true, but we have to work with what we've got.


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cooran wrote: The Suttas are not 'sound bites' recorded as the Buddha spoke. They are compacted summaries of what was said, rehearsed and agreed upon by the Arahants at the Great Councils and memorised and chanted together by large groups of monks called Bhanakas (Reciters).
Here is the problem. We believe that they didn't misunderstand the message, and said it like it was.
Unfortunately it is not always so simple. There is evidence that Mahāsāṃghika school had the earliest Vinaya and one of the major differences was that it portrayed Devadatta... as a saint... In Theravada suttas and especially the Jatakas, Devadatta is portrayed as super evil monk.
Why am I sad about this? If due to politics suttas could be altered... Who knows what other alterations took place...
One reason for the interest in the origins of the Mahāsāṃghika school is that their Vinaya recension appears in several ways to represent an older redaction overall.
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The Mahāsāṃghika Vinaya is also significant for its differing accounts from those of other schools. One such example of this is in the figure of Devadatta. The Mahāsāṃghika Vinaya mentions the figure of Devadatta, but the description and attributes of this figure are entirely different from those in the vinayas of sects from the Sthavira branch.[35] In fact, there is no overlap in the characterizations of Devadatta between the Mahāsāṃghika Vinaya and the other five extant vinayas which all come from the Sthavira branch. This has led some scholars to conclude that the story of Devadatta was a legend produced by the Sthaviras after they split from the Mahāsāṃghikas in the 4th century BCE.[35] André Bareau has discovered that the earliest vinaya material common to all sects simply depicts Devadatta as a Buddhist saint who wishes for the monks to live a rigorous lifestyle.[36]
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New waste regime - impact on those with mobility issues?
30/08/2018 17:21:00......Posted by Mario Creatura
I've just sent in this question to Cllr Stuart Collins, Labour's waste and recycling chief, to find out how much consultation and mitigation work has been done to ensure those with mobility issues will not be adverslly affected by the big increase in street bins that his reforms are necessitating across Croydon.
With many streets where the front door opens up directly onto the path, no side alley or other location for storing the bins, having them on the street may cause significant issues for some residents.
I'll update the blog as soon as I hear back from Cllr Collins.
'The Cabinet Member is currently overseeing the rollout of a dramatic change in the way Croydon is processing our waste and recycling, which is understandably causing some difficulties for many residents.
Many of the properties across Croydon have small frontages, with no front gardens and front doors immediately off pavements. This means that the three full-size bins will often be blocking the public high way.
Could the Cabinet Member please:
1. Publish the list of streets in the borough assessed to have small frontages. Those being properties where the front door is immediately on the pavement, there is no front garden or area for storage and no side passage for storage.
2. Publish the results of any formal consultation and correspondence with organisations like the Croydon Disability Forum and Croydon Vision who represent the many residents who will be impacted by the practicalities of the waste and recycling changes.
3. Detail guidance for any resident with mobility issues who may find their path regularly obstructed by these bins
4. Outline the communications plan for how and when these residents and organisations will be informed of this advice.'
Evolving the suburbs
15/10/2018 08:25:00.......Posted by Mario Creatura
Today is the deadline to respond to the Council's 'Evolution of the Suburbs' planning document, a piece of work that will provide the framework for a significant number of buildings and developments across Croydon.
Residents have until tomorrow to feed their views into the process - my submission is below. You can find the full document here and email your views to firstname.lastname@example.com.
To whom it may concern,
I am writing as one of the elected representatives for Coulsdon Town ward, please accept this as a submission on the SPD2 Document that is currently out for consultation.
I have a number of concerns about the language used in the paper, not least that it appears to be a subjective document that raises significantly more questions than it is supposed to clarify. The report should be more of a definitive piece of work, instead it appears to allow a substantial amount of interpretation which could have detrimental effects on the character of Croydon.
There appears to be scant suggestion about developing the infrastructure needed to support significant population growth – was this not considered to be something merited in the document? Will there be a supplementary paper outlining the plans for increasing capacity on roads and services to cope with the residential increase? My fear is that the impartiality of the Planning Committee necessitates that each application is considered on its own merits, but that this does not factor in the wider implications of many applications sequentially being considered for the same area over a period of months. Put simply – if 10 applications are considered and approved in the same area over the period of 12 months, what guarantee is there in SPD2 that commensurate infrastructure improvements will be developed and progressed to aid in the increase in parking, sewage and other vital requirements for a good standard of living?
A good example of this is contained in paragraph 2.30 on car parking – an issue that is plaguing my ward in Coulsdon. Multiple blocks of flats are being erected, without commensurate car parking spaces. Residents moving into the properties, knowing that parking space on the street is limited, still bring their vechiles. They feel it will be the job of others to abandon their cars. Coulsdon is on the edge of the North Downs and is quite hilly. Whilst public transport is well-connected, the train service quality is intermittent and most modes do not reach out into Reigate, Banstead and wider Surrey in way that means cars lose their value. The increase in population due to the density of the new developments means there is a huge volume of vehicles needing parking space, causing traffic gridlock most mornings and evenings. Parking is not a luxury, it is a basic necessity to support the sustainability of development and communities.
Has the recently rolled out amended waste service programme being accounted for in paragraph 2.31? If not, then this will have implications on the ability for officers and councillors to interpret the report.
Whilst I am fully supportive of the need to develop new housing opportunities, these can and must be done in line with the reasonable support of the local residents already habiting in the area. Paragraph 4.2 details the papers support for 'character' but then details the three residential extension approaches of subservient, innovative and seamless. Can a development policy simultaneously respect the existing 'character' whilst being 'subservient/innovative'? I am fearful that good quality affordable housing that fits into the local community aesthetic will not be a red-line in the document, meaning anything can and will happen to my residents.
In paragraph 2.7 and 2.8 the three types of approaches to character is described as 'sympathetic and faithful', 'innovative and original', 'contemporary reinterpretation'. Surely any application, development or scheme can apply to any of these? Isn't the scope for interpretation so large that this set of descriptions is legally meaningless? How can it be measured and enforced on each application? What happens if it can be easily justified (due to its lack of definitiveness) that a scheme has breached this criterion?
This fear for the respect of the local residents and existing character is not eased when I read paragraph 2.2 which details the overarching principles for development: to provide the right mix of homes in the right location, improve or positively contribute to local character and minimise impact on neighbouring amenity. How is this monitored and maintained? Is this rhetoric or are there tangible figures and targets that can be applied to what is a laudable aim? What is to stop someone ignoring this piece of guidance? To what extent are the views of the local people and their representatives taken into account on inappropriate developments that do not fit this nebulous aspiration?
This subjectivity and lack of clarity also exists in figures 1.3a, 1.3b and 1.3c which detail the evolution of the different types of suburbs, but are open to interpretation.
I believe that SPD2 requires a substantial reworking to address the concerns I've outlined above. These are very real, practical fears that I know many of my residents feel. Each time they attend a Planning Committee meeting to comment on a scheme they leave disheartened. I hope that by engaging with some of my concerns that this may be limited in the future.
Croydon badly needs good quality, affordable family homes. I know my residents would support them if they are proposed, and this plan is vital in making that happen.
Kind Regards,
Cllr Mario Creatura, Coulsdon Town
Response to local planning consultation SPD2
14/10/2018 17:59:00.......Posted by Luke Clancy
Documents setting out planning guidance for the borough and how the Council will engage with stakeholders are available for comment. Below are some of the points from my response to the consultation on Suburban Design Guide Supplementary Planning Document (SPD2).
Figures 1.3a, 1.3b and 1.3c are used to justify expected development patterns including 'backland development' in the suburbs over a period of 10 – 15 years, "so that change is gradual and can be managed to ensure that the benefits of such growth are optimised." But the examples given of the types of development expected are not defined in sufficient granularity and are too scattergun to give an objective sense of whether what is being proposed would be acceptable.
In terms of how acceptable a development might be to existing residents, the bullet points provided in paragraph 2.2 will be key, in particular emphasis on two of them: whether a proposal improves or positively contributes to local character; and how the impact on neighbouring amenity can be minimised as far as possible. Much will depend on how sympathetically these policies are applied.
Para 2.3.2: "Smaller suburban proposals providing up to 9 dwellings should also seek to maximise the number of dwellings with 3 or more bedrooms." It would be helpful if this could be expressed more accurately, perhaps setting a target or requirement for three bedroom family units in developments of 9 dwellings or less.
Para 2.3.6: "A development proposal that seeks to deliver a scheme that could form part of a larger potential development on the same or adjoining land will be assessed as an application for the larger development potential." Whilst the intention of this policy might be laudable, I have concerns that in borderline cases this could result in developments being tipped over the threshold because more studios, one- and two-bedroom units are built at the expense of larger three bedroom properties which would be suitable for families.
Paras 2.3 & 2.4: "Optimising sites building across boundaries." Whilst in economic terms this makes sense, in reality the developments that result from such consolidation may not be sympathetic to an area if they create 'mega' blocks. The schema in Figure 2.4a is an alarming example of the type of over-development that could result.
Paras 2.6.3 and 2.6.4: 'Minimal necessary car parking will be the starting point for all development proposals and the borough will encourage lower parking provision in areas of PTAL 4 and above.' I can see why the Council may want to do this. The Croydon Local Plan currently seeks to reduce the need to travel by concentrating development in areas with a higher PTAL rating. As such, from 2011 to 2014 the majority of new homes (58%) were in areas with a PTAL rating of at least 3 - typically areas that have already undergone a degree of intensification. Only 10% of homes were built in areas with a PTAL of 4. The proposals therefore seek to increase density in less urban areas. But this ignores the fact that areas with PTAL ratings of 4 can have quite patchy access to public transport. Also, that residents in those areas will still aspire to owning a car. Any policy should seek to balance these challenges in part by ensuring sufficient provision of more public transport and other sustainable methods of transport, as is encouraged in 2.6.8.
Para 2.7.2 refers encouragingly to some areas within Croydon "being defined by the predominance of certain types of homes". This aspiration may give hope to residents that the Council will extend protection to what is perceived to be the character of their areas on those grounds. But the three approaches to how to respond to local character in the design of new developments that the Council goes on to endorse in Para 2.8 would appear to allow a very broad interpretation of what is acceptable in any area, if interpreted loosely. A braver and more specific interpretation of what is acceptable would be welcomed in the SPD.
Para 2.9.9: "Where there is a concern that a development would appear overbearing to a neighbouring property and/or create a poorly designed streetscene, they will not be supported." This is to be welcomed.
Para 2.15.2: "Proposals which span plot boundaries may seek to achieve this through stepping form to create a link element between two main building forms located on each of the original plots." I am not convinced that such designs necessarily reduce sufficiently the sense of massing created by developments that incorporate links.
Para 2.23: A prohibition on materials that are proven not to weather well or provide longevity is to be supported.
Labour threatens U-turn on free bulky waste collection
14/10/2018 12:23:00.......Posted by Luke Clancy
Last week at a meeting of Croydon Council's Streets and Environment Scrutiny Sub-Committee, I challenged the Cabinet Member, Cllr Stuart Collins, when he said that Labour is looking to renege on a manifesto pledge to run a free bulky waste collection service.
The meeting was webcast here: http://webcasting.croydon.gov.uk/meetings/4215
Labour only made the pledge after the Conservatives had come up with the idea earlier this year. We put the policy to tackle the fly-tipping plaguing Croydon's streets in our manifesto ahead of May's local elections. We were pleased when Labour later also recognised the soundness of the idea by copying it.
It would be cynical of Labour to steal this policy only to drop it once they got re-elected.
The free bulky waste collection service is extremely popular, but Labour now says it is expensive to run and creates a too much of a financial pressure on the Council's budget.
At the meeting, Cllr Collins claimed the free bulky waste service was always intended as a "trial" to see what effect it would have on fly-tipping. But when he was challenged to demonstrate it was only intended as a trial - and not introduced to residents as a more permanent measure - he could not do so.
Even Cllr Collins' Labour colleagues on the Committee then went on to express their concerns that a review of one of their manifesto pledges was taking place so soon after this year's election.
The Conservatives will continue to hold Labour to account over the withdrawal of a key policy to tackle fly-tipping in the borough.
Petition on wheelie bins achieves partial win
14/10/2018 11:36:00.......Posted by Luke Clancy
Last week at a meeting of the Full Council in Croydon I presented a petition to residents objecting to the new wheelie bins in Ashdown Park in Coulsdon.
The meeting was webcast here: http://webcasting.croydon.gov.uk/meetings/4244
Residents in Ashdown Park felt that as their houses all have small frontages they did not have the facilities for storing two large bins, one medium sized bin and a food caddy in a discreet way.
In 2005, the estate was granted an exemption from the Council's requirement for landfill collections to be from medium sized wheelie bins, as these would not fit inside the bin cupboards.
Shortly after the petition was sent in, the Council granted a continuation of the concession for retaining the smaller cupboard-size landfill bins.
Residents do support aspirations in the borough to increase recycling rates but say they already separate their rubbish by type and think it unlikely that they are withholding materials that could be recycled if bigger bins are provided.
Looking around the estate, residents say the majority of houses are struggling to hide the new bins away. All the houses on the estate have covenants that the associated grounds be maintained in a good and tidy condition, and the front gardens be open plan - the latter making it difficult to store the bins.
Bid for funds from our Community Ward Budget
08/10/2018 20:14:00.......Posted by Luke Clancy
Each year every council ward in Croydon is given a £24,000 ward budget to spend on local activities and resources that benefit community groups.
The budget is actually £8,000 per councillor, but in Coulsdon Town your three representatives elect to jointly pool the funds and spend the money as one lump sum.
For a number of years now we have therefore contributed to the costs of the Yulefest lights in the town centre - although as a recurring item of expenditure this is rare. In fact, the vast majority of projects sponsored by our Community Ward Budget are one-offs.
That means if you have a good idea for a project that would benefit the community, but lack the funds to make it a reality, we may be able to help. The type of projects that we can support include those that require revenue or capital expenditure, but cannot create an ongoing maintenance cost for the Council.
An example of a project that gained our support in this financial year, for example, is buying some kitchen equipment for Purley & Coulsdon Clubs for the Elderly, while in the past we have bought defibrillators and hearing loops that benefit local people as well as funded youth activities including the Scouts.
But there are still some funds left to be bid for this year. So if you have any suggestions as to how we should spend that money please don't hesitate to get in touch:
Cllr Luke email@example.com: 07710 183567
Shredded litter
04/10/2018 13:42:00.......Posted by Mario Creatura
A resident has got in touch to let me know that while they were litter-picking on the A23 between Coulsdon South station and Woodplace Lane, that they noticed a significant amount of the litter in the area had been shredded.
On investigating it appears that TfL, who maintain the grass levels, had cut the grass but not removed the litter in advance, thereby shredding it and making it that much harder for the Council or conscientious residents to pick it up.
I'm pleased that TfL have said they are going to get a copy of the Council's clean-up schedule so that they can co-ordinate better in future. A victory for common sense!
Coptic Church - Coulsdon
07/09/2018 14:34:00.......Posted by Ian Parker
Delighted to have been invited along with ecumenical and other representatives to hear His Eminence Archbishop Angaelos speak on the integration of the Coptic Church in society.
The Coptic Church, St Mary & St Shenouda on Rickman Hill, Coulsdon provided the perfect setting for an inspirational address by the Archbishop.
A tour of the impressive church after the address was the 'icing on the cake'.
Residents' Associations - Stewards Night
06/09/2018 10:58:00.......Posted by Ian Parker
I attended a joint meeting of Hartley and District and East Coulsdon Residents' Associations at which their road stewards were warmly thanked for their good work on behalf of the two associations.
It was a great opportunity to thank the association members for their good work delivering leaflets and collecting subscriptions throughout the year. Also an opportunity to thank the organisers of both residents' associations for their sterling work fighting to preserve what's good about Purley and Coulsdon. Councillors have a good working relationship with the residents' associations. Long may this continue and thank you to the organisers of the 'Stewards Night'.
Details to re-register for a doctor following the closure of Dr Khan's surgery
31/08/2018 16:35:00.......Posted by Mario Creatura
We've now had in confirmed that Coulsdon Medical Practice, a single-handed practice run by Dr Jamil Khan, is closing permanently on 26 October 2018.
NHS Croydon Clinical Commissioning Group have written to the patients currently registered at his practice to advise them of the closure. A list of nearby practices which all have room on their register for extra patients is included here:
1B Bramley Avenue, Coulsdon CR5 2DR. Tel: 020 8660 0193
*this is a very small practice with a limited number of registrations available
59 Tollers Lane, Old Coulsdon CR5 1BF. Tel: 01737 556880
70 Brighton Road, Purley CR8 2LJ. Tel: 020 8660 8292
Old Coulsdon medical practice
2A Court Avenue, Old Coulsdon CR5 1HF. Tel: 01737 558288
MAIN SITE: 32 Foxley Lane, Purley CR8 3EE. Tel: 020 8763 5620
branch surgery: 140 Chipstead Valley Road, Coulsdon CR5 3BB
They are also holding drop in sessions for patients who wish to discuss next steps and registering with a new practice:
Saturday 8th Sept 10 – 12 noon
Monday 10th Sept 10 – 12 noon
Wednesday 19th Sept 11-1 pm
Wednesday 26th Sept 5.30 – 7.30 pm
All will be held at the Coulsdon Methodist Church, 83 Brighton Road, CR5 2BE.
Impact of potential House of Fraser closure
02/08/2018 14:13:00.......Posted by Mario Creatura
I've just asked Cllr Shahul-Hameed, Labour's economic Cabinet member, a question about the recent news that House of Fraser may be in danger of collapsing. You can read more about it online.
'For some months now there has been speculation about the future viability of House of Fraser, a business you'll know has a base in the Croydon Centrale Shopping Centre.
A planned rescue deal worth some £70m has recently collapsed, putting the business and its 6,000 direct members of staff nationally in danger of permanent closure.
Could you please outline what meetings you have personally had with House of Fraser to assess the impact of recent events on the Croydon store?
Could you please outline all that you are doing to try to safeguard the future of the store in Croydon?
Should House of Fraser fall into administration, can you release any information about what you understand will happen to replace its very large footprint in the Centrale Centre?
What impact willl the closure of House of Fraser have on the Westfield/Hammerson development that's currently in process?'
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Back in my grandfather's day, the media made a big
thing out of college kids swallowing goldfish. The practice began as a passage into manhood challenge. Apparently, only real men would swallow a live fish. Go figure.
The next generation appeared to enjoy stuffing as many people as possible into telephone booths and Volkswagens. The participants were ostensibly attempting to create a new stunt to get into the Guinness Book of World Records. We can thank whoever should be thanked that that fad went the way of the wave, another really dumb fad enjoyed by sports enthusiasts everywhere. They don't do the wave any more, do they? Please say it isn't so.
Anyway, back somewhere in my misspent youth, flashers became popular. Running to and fro, hither and yon, as naked as jaybirds. Are jaybirds really naked if they're wearing feathers? That one has always stumped me. Nonetheless, shapely young ladies dashing across athletic fields wearing nothing more than a smile was at least a bit titillating, and something was at stake. If they were caught, they could be arrested. It was actually a kind of cool sport. Running was involved, and everybody, including the police chasing the flasher as well as the fans got their hearts thumping for a few minutes - good cardiovascular exercise. I think they were arresting people for the wrong reason. Arrest the idiots for doing the wave. What benefit was that to humanity? Flashing should be an Olympic sport.
Recently, concerned readers have been asking about a craze that enjoyed a "flash in the pan" not long after the turn of the 21st century and is already enjoying a resurgence. That is, the "flash mob."
A flash mob is an event where a large group of people receives instructions in advance, converges on a place, does something odd, and leaves peaceably within minutes. For instance, at an early flash mob in Manhattan, participants descended on Macy's rug department and claimed to be members of a commune shopping for a "love rug." As dumb as it sounds, one has to admit, it is kind of amusing in a perverse way. The mob stayed for about five minutes, then disbursed as quickly as it had formed.
We put our crack team of researchers, the Googlamaniacs, onto the case and in mere nanoseconds, they found an interview with the originator of the flash mob. Francis Heaney, a reporter for Stay Free, an off-beat Brooklyn-based magazine that explores the politics and perversions of mass media and American culture, tracked down the guy that staged the first flash mob. The guy in the interview, who would only identify himself as "Bill," explained the flash mob origins.
"Basically, it started with an e-mail. I created an e-mail address and forwarded an e-mail to myself, and then I forwarded it to about 40 or 50 friends on the premise that they would think, "Oh, Bill's heard about this interesting thing. I wanted it to appear like one of those things circulating around the Internet."
What began as a single forwarded e-mail inviting people to join an "inexplicable mob" turned into a sprawling, global fad practically overnight, and then largely faded away almost as quickly as it appeared.
Recently, the following posts on the Internet announced flash mob happenings abroad:
"11th October 2006 19.24 Liverpool street station - rules: bring favourite dance music and walkman/ipod with you. arrive at the station around 19.15 no dancing before 19.24 spread out through the whole concourse as soon as the clock strikes 19.24."
OK, we have a bit of a new phenomenon going on. Flashhugging. The first-ever free hugs flash mob event will happen at midnight in Leicester Square in London. The organizers have a video on YouTube advertising the event. Britain Posted Sept. 28, 2006: "A Flash Mob will take place Saturday May 6th in Perigueux, France. The idea is a Flanby (caramel dessert) contest. A Jury of 6 international professionals will decide of the best Flanby-sucking method. Perigueux. Europe Posted April 30, 2006.
As silly as these events may sound, at least the flash mob technique redeemed itself when used for a peaceful get together at
Ground Zero in New York City. A flash mob gathered to stage a 10-minute protest of the loss of first amendment rights, which concerns the right to peaceable assembly. Proponents felt that permits, rules, and permission from authority should not apply togroups of people that assemble peacefully.
When they gathered, they looked like a huge mob just talking on their cell phones, but those who walked around and listened closely heard the people on cell phones reciting the First Amendment in unison. Then they got louder and louder before they disappeared as quickly as they assembled. They made their point by staging a huge assembly with impunity without securing a permit.
Any way you look at it, swallowing goldfish, stuffing people in phone booths, running naked in the streets, and gathering as flash mobs, all prove that we definitely live in a system we can't understand.


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NICOSIA, Cyprus (AP) — Anxious Cypriots patiently waited in long lines to get at their accounts on Thursday after banks opened for the first time in nearly two weeks, following an international bailout to save the country's financial system.
Fearing a run on its banks, the tiny Mediterranean country has imposed daily withdrawal limits of 300 euros ($384) for individuals and 5,000 euros for businesses — the first so-called capital controls that any country has applied in the eurozone's 14-year history.
Financial strains are building on families and businesses, and the recession in Cyprus is likely to deepen. The mood outside banks was calmer than feared. Many people said the withdrawal limits were probably necessary to keep a bad situation from spiraling out of control.
Flower shop owner Christos Papamichael was among some 30 people waiting patiently for bank doors to open at noon Thursday. "Everything has been paralyzed ... No one thinks of buying flowers," he said.
Banks had been shut in Cyprus since March 16 to prevent people from draining their accounts as politicians scrambled to save the country's stricken financial sector. ATM machines were working, but with a limit on daily withdrawals.
An initial plan to seize up to 10 percent of all Cypriot deposits caused an international uproar and was scrapped. But in order to secure 10 billion euros ($12.9 billion) in loans from other euro countries and the International Monetary Fund, Cyprus agreed Monday to wind down its second-largest bank and seize billions from accounts holding more than the insured limit of 100,000 euros.
European financial markets, which have been on edge for weeks, rose slightly on Thursday. The FTSE 100 index of leading British shares rose 0.4 percent, while Germany's DAX index rose 0.1 percent.
Government and bank officials had feared that up to 10 percent of the country's deposits could be siphoned off when banks opened Thursday — but that did not appear to happen. Guards from private security firms reinforced police outside some ATMs and banks in the capital, Nicosia. No problems controlling crowds were reported.
The limits on withdrawals and other capital controls are expected to be relaxed gradually. Analysts say it's anyone's guess how people and businesses will react once that happens.
Foreign Minister Ioannis Kasoulides said that, according to central bank estimates, the controls would be fully lifted in a month. Some analysts say it could last longer.
President Nicos Anastasiades expressed in a statement his "warm gratitude and deep appreciation towards the Cypriot people for the maturity and spirit of responsibility they have shown at a critical time for the stability of the Cypriot economy."
However, many Cypriots were left frustrated and confused by the closures and controls and concerned about the effect on their businesses and livelihoods.
"No matter how much information there was, things were changing all the time," said Costas Kyprianides, a grocery supplier in Nicosia.
For years, the banking sector has been the lifeblood of the Cypriot economy, attracting money from across Europe — and especially Russia — thanks to high interest rates and loose regulation. The country's deposits ballooned to more than seven times its economic output. But Cypriot banks ran into trouble after taking massive losses on Greek government bonds.
Now, the country's second-largest bank, Laiki, is to be split up, with its healthy assets being absorbed into the Bank of Cyprus. Savers with more 100,000 euros ($129,000) in either Bank of Cyprus and Laiki will face big losses. At Laiki, those could reach as much as 80 percent of amounts above the 100,000 insured limit; those at Bank of Cyprus are expected to be much lower.
As part of the country's capital controls, no checks can be cashed, although they can be deposited. Anyone leaving the country, whether Cypriot or a visitor, can only take up to 1,000 euros ($1,290) with them in cash.
The country's general accounting office said pensions and other social security payments, together with salaries for government employees, will be in bank accounts next Tuesday and Wednesday.
Many Cypriots struggled Thursday to understand what exactly they could and couldn't do with their money. Television talk shows addressed viewers' queries, which ranged from how they would pay college tuition for children studying abroad to how to handle check payments.
People also wondered whether they would be able to access their salaries, many of which were due this week.
Some analysts are concerned that, if kept in place long, Cyprus's measures will go against the fundamental principle of the single currency: Free and easy movement of money around the euro's 17 members.
In a statement Thursday, The European Commission said "the free movement of capital should be reinstated as soon as possible".
Not every account in Laiki and Bank of Cyprus will be hit with big losses. Deposits held by the central government, local authorities such as municipalities, universities and development projects being co-funded by the European Union will not face a so-called haircut.
Government welfare and pension fund accounts in Laiki will be treated in the same way as those in the Bank of Cyprus, "thereby ensuring most of the deposits," said Constantinos Petrides, undersecretary to the president.
Some individuals and businesses had moved their money out of Cyprus well before the banks closed their doors last week.
According to ECB figures, deposits in Cyprus' banks slipped 2.2 percent last month, to 46.36 billion euros ($59.36 billion), the lowest figure since May 2010 and down from a peak of 50.5 billion euros ($64.67 billion) in May 2012. The figure excludes deposits from other banks and the central government.
"I anticipated, not this to happen, but I anticipated issues last year, when Greece had a question of whether it will remain in euro and the consequences of that," said Athos Angelides, who runs a business importing and distributing hair salon products. "So luckily we transferred money in the middle of last year over to the UK."
The stock market, which has been closed since March 15, stayed shut. It will remain closed on Friday and Monday, when most of Europe is closed for the Easter celebrations. Cyprus follows the Orthodox calendar and does not celebrate Easter until May this year.
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