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|2013-01-01, 23:20
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The Unpronounceable
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Oh sure, you can fix that by having this style as strong as the last one. But then, other questions appears: Wait, if it's so strong, how come no one heard of it before? And why it only appears NOW of all time?
Beside, if you create new styles JUST to have them disappear after the Tournament arc, what's the point?
|2013-01-02, 10:21
|Link #2362
Manus ad Ferrum
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Costa Rica
Age: 28
Actually I think blowing a drone army could be harder than a human one. The type 3 drones were strong enough to make Signum stop and take a defense stand (With limiters, but is not a minor achievement for a machine) and had AMF fields of their own which I am sure mages don't have, so could be consider as hard if not harder to blow them up. Besides Precia's drone army was all AA or even AAA in rank and Nanoha deal with those at the age of 9 without the need of being born as a perfect combat machine. So really we could go about who is more awesome for days, let's just say they are both amazing.
It doesn't matter for a single reason: isn't an absolute as, I have the feeling, you guys are trying to make it look. Your take on the matter is really good and I get were are you coming from but is not the only possibility and it sure not be assume as the real one for lack of a canon explanation on the matter. I don't mind you thinking that, maybe what I mind is the assumption that there is only one explanation and limit yourself to the already establish styles, explaining why a story should not expand. Final Fantasy is as good or bad as it is, I don't know, but I don't care how it was handle there, I am talking of something I think will be nice here. It work there? Perfect, but doesn't mean it has to work always. Besides for complains there are people who don't even like Final Fantasy.
Again, is my take on the matter and what I try to say is that we might be trying to get "Who is right?" when there is no real point because if all opinion on a fact that isn't happening and might never happen. I agree if there will be more magic styles other questions appears but is the same with the "real witch" thing, it came out of nowhere and hasn't been address what that even means. So really, seeing already how an element will not fit on the story because will require some work is like saying the author is incompetent.
|2013-01-02, 10:30
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|2013-01-02, 11:12
|Link #2364
The Unpronounceable
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Clock Tower
Second point: Again, they're already expanding. Just not the way you want them to. You want them to introduce new style, they're introducing new ways to use old styles. It's the author choice to do so.
Even with an already etablished world, trying to fit a story in without changing the rules is still damn hard. So for a world that they're trying to expand on, it is even harder. Not to mention that they have a deadline to meet. The pressure on them is quite large, so cut them some slacks would you.
One last note: Seriously, if you have so much complain, why not write a fanfic yourself?
|2013-01-02, 13:53
|Link #2365
Adeptus Animus
Join Date: Jan 2007
Age: 31
Fate is all about speed over defense. To the point where she even has a mode where a single good hit would kill her. Victoria is all about heavy armor and wearing the opponent down through superior defense.
Harry uses no weapons bar a chain, which she uses to snare her opponents. Signum on the other hand uses a sword and only uses her swords slangenform for specific attacks, which never involve snaring. Maybe the occasional pinning, tops.
|2013-01-02, 16:45
|Link #2366
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie
Sieg's ancestor might have been older than her when that took place, who knows?
|2013-01-02, 19:29
|Link #2367
Manus ad Ferrum
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Costa Rica
Age: 28
I say they are both amazing, so by definition you did agree with me there Lhklan. And I know the author decides what to put in, what I have been trying to say is this: add other styles could help to make the story even a little more rich. And yes, if a writer can't figure out how to fit an element with the story is really incompetent. Our author already mention the 800 types magic but he could not make them play a role, so really why he even bother with that? I can't help to wonder. And I do write fanfiction, I know isn't easy to write a story but when you sell your story then you better expect to be criticize.
Magic, lazy writing… is funny how both can be so similar in times like this when there isn't a clear explanation. Just saying. I was under the impression defensive spells are all visible, but I could be wrong so what is an example of an invisible barrier? Unless you mean the ones on the Barrier Jacket which still look like armor so I really don't know. If you could help me with that Keroko will be great. And I do say the golems on season 1 look more efficient than the soldiers of the TSAB so I will have to wonder how effective armies really are in the Nanoha universe. And I don't think we need to see Lutecia and the Witch fight just to get other styles, we had plenty of opportunities to see them prior to that.
|2013-01-03, 01:20
|Link #2368
The Unpronounceable
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Clock Tower
Second: Uh huh. More rich, and utterly and completely pointless. After this tournament, they won't stay here. They'll go back to their home planet. So chance of them reappearing = very low. Thus, why introduce a character and style only to have them disappear after that?
You said that if a writer can't figure out how to fit an element with the story is really incompetent. Again, fitting a new style into the story is extremely hard. I noticed you never answered some of my hypothetical questions. I'll ask again: Why introduce a new style when there's already a best? If you do that, people are gonna start asking: Wait, why didn't they use the old style? It's better, right? If it's so strong, how come no one heard of it before? And why it only appears NOW of all time?
If you knew that it isn't easy to write a story, why are you pressuring them over such a minor matters? Unlike you, who have the luxury of writing and posting whenever you want, they don't have that. They have a deadline to meet. So they have to make do with what they got. Instead of spending time inventing a new and utterly pointless style, they can just pick an old one, tweak it, insert it in and then make the plot moving.
As for invisible barriers... Really, if it's visible, then what's the point of a barrier to keep out non magic people? They don't even need to enter, they just need to look at the big dome covering an area. We've always seen things from the Nanoha gang's perspective aka people with magic. We never see it from the mundane side.
You also said that you "wonder how effective armies really are in the Nanoha universe". Well, here's a ssomething for you to chew ont: Golems are programmed by human. Ergo, how effective said golems are depend on how the programmer is. If the man is a good tactician, then they're a good army. If he's not, then they're nothing more than a bunch of scrap metals.
Also, I have a question: If you focus on the minor details and complain about them so much, how the fuck can you enjoy the story?
|2013-01-03, 12:03
|Link #2369
Manus ad Ferrum
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Costa Rica
Age: 28
Even so you did agree with my conclusion, there is no way around it Lhklan. Why is so bad to agree with me? Pointless? Maybe, but then again a lot of pointless things are happening in the manga that I think one more can't really do that much. I mean just look at the characters, only Vivio appears in Force so we in fact introduce a lot of people we will never see again. Or maybe not, but so far it seems that way.
I don't really see a point of answering such questions because if my answers don't fit what your ideas on the matter are Lhklan, this will keep going on the wrong direction. I do accept that your explanations might be good enough to explain why there is only 2 magic styles, but since those aren't canon I don't take them as absolutes and my own explanations are as equally possible because there has been say that other 800 magic styles are out there. I know is not what we see, but then again this world is huge and open so I think there is room to wonder about it.
However I do have answers if you really want them: First we don't know if Belka and Mid-Childa are the best compare to other styles. We assume those are the most well know but just because something is popular or spread doesn't make it the best so really they could be the best and they could not be the best since we don't know how other styles might work, so really saying that the old styles are better is not even important when you don't bother to look the others. Its appear here can be easily explain with: is from certain planet who doesn't teach it to outsiders or is rare and unique because is an ancient power (Like the Kaiser Arts Einhart uses), could be that only one in millions born with such power, etc. really there are ways to put it here now and not before.
I am not pressuring, I just say it would be nice to have that and you were the one who say I should think on the poor writer. I am not asking this to happen, I just say it will be nice and maybe even help to make this world more rich and unique on its own rights, seeing styles from different worlds and not just ancient Belka things that already stop being something new. Again, it doesn't matter how much time they do have to do it, if they decide to do it is their problem and responsibility to do it well. Of course I will not say they should make everything on a day or something like that, just saying is up to them.
And then there aren't invisible barriers since the mage can see them. I was asking what spell is invisible to the mage, who are the ones in magic combat not if there is some spells to make them invisible to the normal people.
An army effectiveness doesn't come out just from tactic. A group of poor train and not powerful beings is not going to stand a change even to a disorganize army of robots with superpowers or golems. You are assuming you even need to control golems where in the Nanoha world are such advance AI that even talk and have personalities so program them isn't impossible. Really just saying so far the few armies of mages I have seen aren't that good at fighting robots. Those were control, that is true, but then again show to be effective.
Really the main problem to me is that, Lhklan, I don't really enjoy the story. As a matter of fact ViVid is, to me, boring and fail to connect with me as reader so since I don't enjoy the story I am starting to look at the details and comment on minor things because the story itself isn't interesting.
|2013-01-03, 12:49
|Link #2370
The Unpronounceable
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Clock Tower
Right, your answers are acceptable, so moving on from that.
This part, OTOH
Any decently trained powerful beings will still have some tactical knowledges, even the basic ones like "Strike it weak points" or "Trick it into this area". Also, you forget that AI don't just appear out of frigging nowhere. They have to be designed, programmed and then enhanced. All by human hands. I also never said that someone need to control the drones, just that someone needs to program their "intelligence". Even Reinforce, extremely powerful that she is, was still originally designed and created by humans from Ancient Belka.
Also, if you find it " boring and fail to connect with me as reader", why the fuck are you still reading it?
|2013-01-03, 15:30
|Link #2371
Adeptus Animus
Join Date: Jan 2007
Age: 31
TSAB personnel may suffer from redshirt syndrome whenever a named character needs to do something impressive, but when you look between the cracks you'll see that they aren't as incompetent as those scenes suggest.
|2013-01-03, 20:31
|Link #2372
Manus ad Ferrum
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Costa Rica
Age: 28
No a contradiction. Just saying that at times a well train force with limited resources and weaker powers can be destroy by a large, powerful but not that smart force. Numbers, and I don't mean Jail's cyborgs, can win at times. Is not always and sure as hell isn't definitive but can happen. An army strength come from several factors, not just good tactics. I didn't express it well, my bad.
And yes, I get that a lot: if you think is bad why you keep reading? Well Nanoha is a special series to me. It was the first one that did make me want to go out and search for the fanbase so really it might have to do with that. Despite all I can say about it I am still a fan of the franchise. And while I will never let something that happen on the story and I don't like without comment I will keep reading and give the stories a fair chance. Is hard to understand but I do it myself so, make of that what you want. I am not against anyone who enjoys this manga, or Force for that matter, I just haven't found something on them that makes them good to me but I do hope to see it.
So there aren't invisible spells. Barrier Jackets are very visible. And yes, you can make it stronger or weaker but I do believe is rare to see a particularly strong Barrier Jacket because of the mana it will need to maintain them in combat. All of the Barrier Jackets seems to share similar resistance. But maybe Sieg could have one, I am not sure. Still a little force when last time I did see Einhart hitting her and making actual damage without destroying the Barrier Jacket, so what the hell?
About TSAB personal… we really don't see anything about them that make them look like anything but useless redshirts so, I don't think we could say much about their overall capacity. They did some job, but most of the times they are just kick around by the bad guys and some rookies have to take the heave job.
About the "real Witch" I don't really think we should see her. I mean Lutecia and that other girl have been so much out of the events leading up to the destruction of Nove's team that as far as I know might not even be on the same story. Really I can't barely say they are characters at all.
|2013-01-03, 20:37
|Link #2373
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie
So according to someone on NanoFate who translated the last chapter (before bitching about it and saying it could be summarized in two lines), Sieglinde's trying to tell Einhart that she should stop fighting to fix Klaus' mistakes now, since nothing good will come from it. That and this chapter probably say a lot about her.
|2013-01-03, 21:12
|Link #2374
Sansker, it is generally considered impolite to come into a thread or forum about a series, and begin to tell people how much it sucks. The reason being is that there is usually populated by fans of such, and will dislike you for doing it. In the best case scenario, you will be seen as a troll.
And yes, this is what you are doing. You say you don't like it, or don't like the direction it is going, fine. But you do it over and over and over without adding anything new. You may not think you're doing this, but to everyone else here, you are.
We get it. But at this point, if you don't have any real commentary to add that adds to the discussion (and I can't believe I am saying this), you might be advised to keep your opinions to yourself. That is, if you have any respect for the fans of this series who want to discuss this series in one of the few places they can.
Hell, I'd even agree with you on the general concept of Vivid not being very good... but I try to contain my comments to what each new chapter brings out, and consider the implications, keeping my comments neutral, or at least humorous.
It would be like someone going into a NanoFate forum, and telling people that NanoFate is stupid as a couple, and would obviously never work, and is a terrible idea and should never be done. How would you view such a person?
|2013-01-03, 23:02
|Link #2375
Manus ad Ferrum
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Costa Rica
Age: 28
Well, I did express an opinion, it was rebated and I respond so really is not just me talking to myself here to be blame for not "adding anything new" since when I try I am force repeat myself in order to others understand or because they keep hammering the same point. You want to stop? Be my guest.
And I am sure the guy who put that on NanoFate is really an idiot, I mean as Justin_Brett said: "Sieglinde's trying to tell Einhart that she should stop fighting to fix Klaus' mistakes now, since nothing good will come from it. That and this chapter probably say a lot about her" That is one line and ¾ not two lines. As I say, an idiot.
And yes, a person doing what Kaijo says on NanoFate will get really bad answers. I know it I have seen it.
|2013-01-03, 23:35
|Link #2376
The Unpronounceable
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Clock Tower
|2013-01-03, 23:51
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Anyway, I've tried to let you know, and that's all I can do.
|2013-01-04, 10:26
|Link #2379
Manus ad Ferrum
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Costa Rica
Age: 28
I hope you get more of her but at the same time I can live without anything more on Sieg. Besides I am sure the guy on NanoFate is really an awesome person.
On the other hand it wasn't my fault I have to repeat my point. All you guys did was trying to proof me wrong and keep bringing the subject on the same matter: "it can't be done" when I really want to explore the idea a little more. I am hammering my point? And you, trying to proof me wrong, are not doing the same? Just saying we all keep the same tone and refuse to move forward. For that matter Lhklan you did bring up the questions I let without answers when I realize we were getting nowhere, so really is not just me. But I did keep repeating myself.
I agree with you, tactics are important but is not the only factor. Besides strategy is even more important in wars and that is more important than battles. In the end just saying that tactics are good but not always work when the enemy has a very superior force.
And Kaijo, you don't have to do anything. People here is able to say their own opinions and to tell me if they have a problem, so if you see this as a burden on you is really easy to fix, do as you tell me and keep it to yourself.
|2013-01-04, 11:54
|Link #2380
The Unpronounceable
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Clock Tower
Also, "I am hammering my point? And you, trying to proof me wrong, are not doing the same?". Problem is, if you're not hammering your point, there's no need for me to prove you wrong now is there?
And lastly: Please quote the part where you "did bring up the questions I let without answers when I realize we were getting nowhere", cause I sure as hell can't.
Quote: "No plan survives contact with the enemy". Sure, tactics might not work, but then when you can improvises, things can change. And drones/golems aren't really known for improvising things now are they?
And before you gave the advanced AI argument, think about this: How much time and money would it cost to program an AI that can improvise on the spot? Then you have to implement them in the drones. Think on it.
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A bit late posting this due to travel, but I had a chance to sit down with Markus Mielke of the IE team and find out what precisely we can expect of rendering updates in IE7. It's likely that any praise of Internet Explorer will still be controversial for now, but it's well-earned. Hear me out.
The latest beta preview release of IE7, the one that came out in association with this conference, is expected to be more or less the final revision to the rendering engine. What exists now is as feature-complete as it will get, so expect no more CSS or major bug fixes past this point for IE7.
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In the Explorer Exposed section on Position is Everything, there's a big list of bugs exclusive to IE running down the left hand side of the page. With one exception, consider that entire list fixed. The exception is the escaping floats bug, which apparently will take a major code re-architecturing that they simply couldn't do in IE7; it'll come in a later release.
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:hover on any element, and fixed positioning. They've even gone so far as to create a code demo of these in action, which is actually a Zen Garden design. Seriously. If you were in Markus' Wednesday morning session you probably saw it. But I'm not sure if it'll make it to the actual site or not since — (chuckle) — it would have to be made to work in IE6.
What else? They've started implementing CSS3 selectors. How about pixel-unit text scaling? Problem solved! Font sizing is deprecated, wait until you see the new full-page zoom. It's like zooming in on a PDF. Your absolutely positioned text will no longer scale out of its block, since the block scales equally as well. It's a designer's dream. I'm a bit concerned about how the user will view this change, but that remains to be seen.
I still harbour just as much ill will toward IE6 as ever, like many of you. And I'm pretty sure a lot of the IE team understands that sentiment. So while being excited about IE7 might seem contradictory to my past stance on the browser, it's because I simply see the potential. This first step is a big one. It's not enough yet, but it's significant enough that I know the next step afterward is going to be exactly what we wanted, and likely a bunch more.
As I said to Markus, at one point in time they had the best browser on the market; given the sheer momentum I uncovered at this conference, I could very well see it happening again. IE8: the new Firefox? Hmm.
Full-page zooming has been Opera for a while like you mentioned, just like PDFs. It's real slick and I'm surprised that it hasn't been touted as much as it should've been.
For anyone wanting to run IE7 standalone, check out http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2005/12/28/434132.aspx
The only problem I have encountered so far is clearing floats. The 'easy clearing' method on positioniseverything doesn't work in IE7 since IE7 doesn't support :after and generated content.
Of course there is the overflow:auto method, but you've outlined the protential problems:
The question is what the best way to proceed is now.
They need a miracle, when promoting IE8 to makeup for their lack of innovation the past years.
I have a hard time picturering myself switching back to IE. Maybe because firefox is/was around(and my favorite choice) when i disovered RSS, blogging and social bookmarking. More important Firefox supported these things, and therefor i thing i'll always associate them with Firefox.
It's quite odd, but I never thought that any version of IE might contain features that would make me switch back. The thought never even crossed my mind - all I've been wanting for IE is to get itself fixed and up to rendering pages so I'd not have to bother fixing my websites for a broken browser.
Now that the thought has occured, I still don't think I am likely to switch back. Firefox's numerous extensions, it's cross-platform nature, and flexibility are the reasons I use it. I find it unlikely that IE will ever have superior abilities in those areas.
But hey, if future versions of IE keep fixing render and behaviour bugs then colour me happy!
Martijn: See http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200603/new_clearing_method_needed_for_ie7/ for info on clearing floats in IE7.
Strange if you haven't noticed that Opera has a pixel-zoom.
Looking forward for the masses to switch to IE 7.0, but for that to happend, I think MS has to do some serious PR-work.
I'm still not convince this is the time to take the knife and start re-cutting code for IE7. Especially when the user base is still so heavily IE6 or earlier. Obviously, I'm talking about commercial sites in this regard. Personal sites can be recode as Firefox ranks much high on my site stats.
Hi Dave,
-It's likely that any praise of Internet Explorer will still be -controversial for now, but it's well-earned.
No, it isn't. All they've done is create yet another non-compliant browser to give us headaches.
Has anyone from MS commented on fixing the line height bug on lists? In all IE versions, ol's and ul's have phantom spaces inserted between elements if the li's in the HTML are on seperate lines… Example 1: http://www.alistapart.com/d/horizdropdowns/littlebetter.htm,
Example 2: http://www.heath.ca/ (conditional comments corrected on IE 6 or older)
Not too impressed here.
Well, I'm praying to the great spaghetti monster in the sky that now that they are "layout-complete" (which I am happy enough with, compared to IE6) they will now be fixing the scripting side of things.
Every time I fire up the thing I find scripts that have always worked fine before triggering the oh so helpful "Error on page." warning. Are you using addLoadEvent by Simon Wilson, for example? Trouble. (I have a test page set up if anyone is interested - and I've sent it to MS).
So Dave, do you know whether we should be worrying about this - or is there any indication that this is still being worked on?
Dave, I am happy to see the last line of this post, as it was what I was thinking. I have IE6 with every thread of my professional body, but I see leaps and bounds of improvements in this release already (the RSS support blows my mind), and I can really see that Microsoft is willing to invest in its browser again. If only browser plugins and security was as good as Firefox, I might be set to switch over (it does run much faster with less memory, after all).
I am glad someone else sees that they are turning around too, not just more of the same.
> They've even gone so far as to create a code demo of these in action, which is actually a Zen Garden design. Seriously. … I'm not sure if it'll make it to the actual site or not since — (chuckle) — it would have to be made to work in IE6.
Go on - make a special exception and put it online anyway!
I broadly agree with Dave's sensible analysis here. There is ample indication across many postings and comments on the IEblog that the IE team are doing their best to clear as much of the legacy bugs out of the way before they can start on the real new implementation.
Dave's point that:
> the escaping floats bug, which apparently will take a major code re-architecturing that they simply couldn't do in IE7; it'll come in a later release.
suggests that the engine itself has gone through a fair amount of refactoring, but that much more is needed. Given the mess that IE6 was in, as demonstrated by the list in PiE of extremely bizarre and wierd bug side-effects, it must have taken an *awful* amount of work to get to IE7.0's clearly much more stable CSS implementation.
It will be interesting to see whether IE7.5 or 8, which will presumably include this heavier refactoring, will cause layout regressions on what has now been fixed. Hopefully not. But it does sound as if major progress on de-tangling Trident has been made.
Dave - are there indications yet as to how agressively MS will be pushing IE7 out? Obviously through Windows/MS Update would be ideal in order to make it a pretty much forced upgrade, but I can understand that many companies who rely on the security configuration of IE6 might find that hard going and will want to delay its rollout.
Ah, the Zen Garden design you mention has just been screenshot-ed on the IEBlog. Go on, *please* make it live, even if it looks rubbish in IE6 - perhaps that would be a good indication of how things have progressed!
I think there's an other bug they've not fixed.
Not sure of the proper name given to it. The one caused by whitespace in lists?
Can anyone else confirm that or am I the only one seeing it?
I should likely be more specific but i think you folks will know what I'm talking about
Lets all buy macs since IE 5 mac aint supported anymore. (expensive joke that is)
I see IE7 as a vast improvement over IE 6 and will make developing for IE much easier, but it's still lacking. I would LOVE to see support for display:table, display:table-cell, and display:table-row. Support for gencon would be greatly appreciated as well.
IE's been practically dead for 5 years now. A lot has changed in 5 years in what other browsers support. IE has a TON of bugs to fix and a lot of things to support, but for myself to support IE on my website I need at least display:table, display:table-cell, and gencon to have it look perfect on IE7 in its current state, but gencon isn't absolutely necessary. There's some other minor bugs on my site in IE7, one having to do with combinations of images, borders, and anchors… that's existed since IE5. I'll probably work on code on the side to see if I can get it to work in IE7 in its current state if they're not going to support that stuff in this version… pity.
As for other websites I've programmed IE7's made things much easier for me.
If the current state of IE7 reflects what we're going to get at release than I'm deeply disappointed. Not because of the features that are not there (but considering this is the year 2006 should be there), but because of the bugs that are still present in the current version and the new bugs that have been introduced that will require developers like myself to find new hacks and workarounds (to whom can I sent the bill?)
I'm still working on a suite of testcases that illustrate bugs in IE7 (some major), but from what I read here it wouldn't matter anyway. Even though I think that MS should be aware of these bugs if they would have tested themselves against the specs - most of them are quite straigh-forward…
I don't care what they fix, I don't care how much they add to try and catch up with present day technology. Microsoft make inferior products and it's about time that we all started boycotting them and refusing to design around their idiotic software.
Thanks, Dave, for a mature stance. I appreciate your professionalism. It's hard to admit when the 'bad guy' does something right, but I agree. In using IE7 now for a couple of months I found myself on someone else's computer this week (IE6) and was horrified when I realized what a difference I was seeing. The new IE7, despite its remaining faults is still a dream over the older version. I applaud Microsoft for picking up their heels and doing something. Now, off to testing!
Most of the points have already been argued so I'll be a little out of the topic.
Now that IE fully support PNG there is still one major trouble to switch to a non-GIF world… the color profile ! Browser like Firefox follows that profile and correct the PNG colors making it impossible to match a background or a JPG.
For those who doesn't already encounter this try putting a plain color PNG file over a background of the same color : the colors won't match.
— I guess the Webkit team is aware of this because Safari seams not to use the color profile at all —
I thought the problem with matching PNG color to a CSS background color was caused by Photoshop / ImageReady's duff exporting of PNG files?
true that png-8 colors wont match up in IE why that is, not sure.
workaround make a 1px background png-8 coloured square to match the CSS background-color
I can't support MSIE if they can't support Macs. They may have a good product on their hands this time around, but to have it running on only one platform seems awfully cruel to me. I think I'll be a Firefox user for some time now. I'm thankful to Mozilla and Opera (the two big ones) for providing their offerings on multiple systems.
To me the killer feature in IE7 isn't zooming, but Quick Tabs. So easy (especially with the Ctrl+Q shortcut), and oh-so-handy to quickly find a page amongst a myriad of tabs…
The only thing (feature-wise) that's still lacking is a slick find-bar like Firefox has.
"To me the killer feature in IE7 isn't zooming, but Quick Tabs. So easy (especially with the Ctrl+Q shortcut), and oh-so-handy to quickly find a page amongst a myriad of tabs…"
I agree. The Zoom feature currently breaks text-spacing (zoom out of this page for example; Opera draws zoomed-out text far better), so Quick Tabs wins for now.
"The only thing (feature-wise) that's still lacking is a slick find-bar like Firefox has."
At least the dialog isn't modal. Looks slightly smaller too.
@Dan Wilkinson: thank you for the link, it solves the problem and pollutes the CSS ;-)
Wow, talk about timing. Ref this article pertaining to some fixes I've encountered: http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=92
Good article, Dave.
they brag about their ie(insertversionhere) is still limited to the windows platform & may or maynot get updates depending on how far their competition has innovated
so they upgrade only when they need to catch up
then they have the nerve to brag?
"Look!!, we have tabs!!"
"Look!!, we have a search thingy like firefox & google!!"
"Look!!, we have maps like gooogle!!!""
Look Microsoft, no one cares anymore
"I thought the problem with matching PNG color to a CSS background color was caused by Photoshop / ImageReady's duff exporting of PNG files?"
It's partly that, Photoshop has bad PNG output, and doesn't handle gamma correctly (and it's a lossy output as well)
Now, if a browser does gamma correction on a proper PNG, every thing will be fine (since "all" browsers do gamma correction on css colours and such), but since some browsers don't do gamma correction on PNG images (looking at you Safari/WebKit), and (arguably) the most popular image editing software suite can't output PNG images correctly, and it gets annoying.
At least you can partly fix it, SuperPNG (http://www.fnordware.com/superpng/) is a plugin for Photoshop that saves images faster, smaller, and with correct gamma.
I was not aware that Photoshop inserted bad PNG gamma, but it is definitively crappy for the compression rate. Even if it has been improved since Photoshop 7.
Thank you for the link, I'll try that.
There's something that I haven't been able to understand for a long while now. Why is it that Firefox, an open-source project is able to produce correct browser rendering (for the most part) and IE isn't?
MS has all the money in the world … Opera, and Mozilla do not. Why are they able to do it? I'm just absolutely confused about this.
> I can't support MSIE if they can't support Macs. They may have a good product on their hands this time around, but to have it running on only one platform seems awfully cruel to me. I think I'll be a Firefox user for some time now. I'm thankful to Mozilla and Opera (the two big ones) for providing their offerings on multiple systems.
Do you use Safari (a partly open-source product as it happens)? Surely the same arguments apply to that. I wish Windows users had some of the stuff that Safari has.
Quite frankly I can't imagine why Mac users would actually *want* IE7 given its basic brokness (despite highly welcome much-needed recent improvements) compared to other browsers on the mac platform nowadays.
> brokness
(brokenness I meant..)
It's a shame that creative professionals working on the web have to use IE to test sites, given that most creative professionals work on Macs. I think a good point is raised by saying that Firefox is an open source product and that Microsoft have all the money in the world.
Dave's point that:
> the escaping floats bug, which apparently will take a major code re-architecturing that they simply couldn't do in IE7; it'll come in a later release.
To me and many others I know, this simply suggests that they made it so badly in the first place that to fix it would require re-making it from scratch. The fact that they havn't suggests that Microsoft is so greedy and lazy that they've forced out yet another piece of crap so they can make more money.
I would be interested to hear if anyone knows the legalities of an actual boycott of IE, in the sense of making sites unavailable to anyone viewing with any IE browser.
I would love to start testing on IE7, but I use a Mac, and so that is completely impossible.
I wonder if someone could create a browser that worked on Macs and used a redering engine that would be as close as they could make it to IE7's, for testing purposes.
cool down your sentiments towards Microsoft. You know just like they do that your target audience runs IE. At least 80% of your users on the Internet are using IE to view your pages. Whether you like it or not you will be making your sites to work with it. And instead of jumping up and down about the forthcoming IE7 get yourself a good reference for its features and start coding.
I haven't seen any significant improvement or degradation in IE7 with any of the sites I've built recently. I do fully agree with you, Dave, that their efforts should be commended and think that people should stop whinging about how it's still non-standards-compliant.
We can't expect such things to happen over night. Considering it's only been just over a year since IE7 was announced and that browsers like Firefox, Opera and all the rest have been under continual development during the past *5* years while IE6 was stagnant, yet none of them are fully compliant, you can't honestly expect IE7 to be perfect.
It's time to be thankful for what we've got and look forward to the future with IE8 and beyond.
It is great to see what has been achieved in IE7, even if I am disappointed that generated content didn't make it in.
I can't say I'm excited about all the interface features they've added, since other browsers like Opera have had them for years! ;)
But I am excited after all these years to be downloading a new version of IE. It's nice to feel some sense of anticipation :)
IE8: the new Firefox?
hehehe, just recently i was muttering that Firefox was the new IE ;)
…ugh, the excitement was short-lived. IE7 killed my workstation's network client, so I had to uninstall it. Guess that's why they call it "beta" :)
"It's quite odd, but I never thought that any version of IE might contain features that would make me switch back."
Me either, but I'm starting. FFox 220.127.116.11 is using amazing amounts of memory and crashed twice in the last two days.
I'm giving tabbed IE a shot.
Yes, we all need to get recoding our sites. That's the main news as far as I'm concerned. But considering the time Microsoft has had to do something about IE's poor CSS support, I don't see the need for applause. To me, there's simply no excuse for not having IE virtually up to par with Firefox/Mozilla and Safari by now when it comes to CSS support. One MIA item that bugs the heck out of me is the continued lack of support for :before, :after, and generated-content. The extra work we all had to do to make sites work with IE6 will now be compunded by more extra work necessary to accomodate IE7. Plus the hassle of testing on a separate machine (I know about the standalone script – no thanks, we still need to continually test for IE6 on our existing Wintel box). So when is Microsoft actually going to do something that actually saves us time and makes our work easier, instead of the reverse?
"We can't expect such things to happen over night."
Why not? Seriously. Im glad about the improvements in IE7 but I dont see why it cannot be made to be fully web standards compliant. We dont even have IE7 yet and we are forgiving its shortcomings. I say postpone its release and get that stuff sorted!
"Why not?"
Exactly! Opera and Mozilla aren't having too much trouble, and they don't have a 50 billion dollars behind them…
So is the min-height and min-width issues going to be fixed as well? I heard previously that they weren't, but according to what you were saying in your article they will be. I can't tell you (and many other developers I'm sure) how happy I am about that if that's the case. Thanks for the article!
@ Fabrice Delaneau
I found that using PngOptimizer solves that problem with IE (also it help to reduce filesize :))
I think Microsoft needs to be cut some slack.
I really think we are about to see a new microsoft emerging and I'm really excited about what is round the corner…
Anyone else get that feeling..?
Although IE7 is certainly an improvement over IE6 as far as CSS support goes, when you compare it to Firefox and Opera, you see just how far behind they still are. I've tested the overall standards support in HTML/XHTML, CSS 2.1 and CSS 3, DOM, and ECMAScript and have the results for IE6, IE7, Firefox 1.5, and Opera 8.5 available here:
I'm glad that they finally have their minds set on supporting standards, but there is so much catch-up work that still needs to be done, and I don't think they have a chance at reaching Firefox's and Opera's level for at least a few more versions.
From the comments of Sean and Paul, it is obvious that they aren't commercial software developers.
First of all, let me point out that there's no good reason to hold off on shipping IE7 until the standards compliance is complete. Commercial software development is an iterative process. Whether you ship the product in once or twice before you make the final goal generally doesn't make a lot of difference on how long it eventually takes to make the final goal. The advantage of shipping interum releases is that you get validation from your market place that your intended goal is what is needed.
Why not allow users to get their hands on some of the juicy new features and the enormous improvements that they've made thus far?
BTW, Dave, have you installed the latest IE7 image? There are some issues with your main page. The date icons aren't placed correctly (they are off in the left margin instead of along side the post's title) and the comment count bubbles are along the left margin line too.
I'd be very interested to know if the problems are due to IE7 CSS rendering issues or a result of the hacks that you've put in place to make IE6 work correctly coming back to bite you.
I started writing another comment, but it took on a life of it's own. If you are interested, read my blog post.


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Tristan Taormino interviews former NCSF Executive Director Judy Guerin.
"Sex Activist Judy Guerin Talks Bush and BDSM"
Reprinted with permission from On Our Backs Magazine
By Tristan Taormino
The National Coalition for Sexual Freedom (NCSF) was formed in 1997 as a national advocacy and lobbying organization that promotes tolerance of consenting adults to perform alternative sexual expression. NCSF's primary focus is the SM/leather/fetish community because it's such a large constituency that nobody else represents in Washington, DC. NCSF holds a seat on the National Policy Roundtable of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force where it meets with about 55 other groups like the Human Rights Campaign, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, ACLU, and AFL-CIO to talk about national strategic issues related to policy.
At 48, Judy Guerin, mother of three and longtime SM practitioner, was ready to retire. Instead, at the urging of community members, she took the job of executive director of NCSF, which plans to open its official office this spring in Washington, DC. Just before a March meeting of the National Policy Roundtable to discuss sex and politics and teaching GLBT leaders to be more comfortable addressing issues of sex, On Our Backs spoke to Guerin about sex activism and the bumpy road ahead under Bush and Ashcroft.
On Our Backs: So how did you become executive director of NCSF? Isn't it an unpaid job?
Judy Guerin: Yes, I'm doing it for free. NCSF really can't afford to have anyone in a paid position at this particular point in time. I've been involved in both the transgender and the SM/leather/fetish communities for a long period of time as an activist, and people knew that my children were getting ready to go off to college, and that I was getting ready to retire. They thought it would be a good opportunity to get me back involved in community organizing.
On Our Backs: So this was your idea of retiring?
Judy Guerin: Yes.
On Our Backs: What do your kids think of your job defending kinky people?
Judy Guerin: They actually are very supportive of it and think it's great. One of them is heterosexual, one is bisexual, and one is gay. I've raised my children to be very open-minded and diverse in their thinking. I've had interesting reactions from other people. A lot of people ask me, "What's a nice girl like you doing in a job like this?"
On Our Backs: And what's your answer to that?
Judy Guerin: [laughs] Well, my answer is that I'm fighting for sexual freedom rights, which I think is an important cause and deserves attention. I'm not afraid to say that I'm involved personally in alternative sexual practices, and that I've been a victim of discrimination and other things as a result of it, as have many practitioners.
On Our Backs: So your personal history is part of why you're so passionate about your job.
Judy Guerin: My involvement in SM/leather/fetish started really before there were organized communities, so I grew up feeling very much like a gay or transgendered person might feel. I felt different, abnormal, like I didn't fit in, and I wasn't able to share this with other people. It was a great feeling of freedom to actually be able to realize that this is a very common interest and it's not abnormal and lots of people do it. Today, it's much easier to do because there's much more information available. But 15 or 20 years ago, that was not the case, and people still today experience tremendous discrimination because of it.
On Our Backs: What are some of the things NCSF does?
Judy Guerin: We work on a lot of incidents when people get arrested because they're doing SM or clubs get shut down. We send a team of people out and we work with the media to try to get the situation portrayed properly. We work with the communities to organize and to try to figure out what to do legally, politically, and financially. We're seeing more and more of these incidents because the sexual freedom movement in the United States has really taken hold, and it's started to have a lot of activity now.
On Our Backs: That's very much like the gay and lesbian movement. The more visibility of gay and lesbian people, the higher incidence of hate crimes. Do you feel the same things in the sex-positive community?
Judy Guerin: Yes, it's just a natural part of the process, and the way that any movement wins its rights. We've seen a tremendous explosion of people coming out of the SM closet over the past three to five years.
On Our Backs: Wasn't NCSF involved in the Attleboro case last year?
Judy Guerin: Yes. Attleboro was a case where an SM play party in Attleboro, Massachusetts, was raided by police. A woman was arrested for "assault with a deadly weapon", for allegedly striking another woman with a wooden spoon. In Massachusetts, consent is not a defense, and there's some previous case history related to an SM case in the seventies that is not favorable toward this. The person who hosted the party was also arrested on a variety of charges. Both of those cases are still pending. We were really successful in turning the initial media response around. At first, the media focused on "Sadomasochistic Sex Club Raided by Police", which makes it sound like all of the people were perverts and deviants; after we came in, the media began questioning whether the police themselves infringed on people's civil rights.
On Our Backs: Sex and politics haven't had such a great relationship, especially recently. Do you think it is still difficult to talk about sex in a political arena?
Judy Guerin: I think it's a little bit more acceptable to talk about sex, even more than it was two years ago, primarily because of the Clinton/Lewinsky affair. I mean, once the word "pussy" was said on a national news program - ex-Presidential Counsel Lloyd Cutler told Mike Wallace that it is as normal for the President to "talk pussy" with his friend, Vernon Jordan, as it would be for anyone else - sex was being much more openly discussed on television. It just became very common for people to hear about sex that was a bit unusual, with cigars, for example. So if you review all of the academic studies and papers that have been written about the impact of the Clinton/Lewinsky affair, I think the one positive aspect for the sexual freedom movement is that it is now a little bit more acceptable to talk about sex. Also, the young people in the United States who've grown up in the MTV generation have a very different and much more fluid view of sex, sexuality, and gender than people in my generation do.
On Our Backs: So now that Clinton is gone, and we've got Bush, what do you think is in store for queer people and perverts and leatherfolk under Bush? Did your duties double once he was elected?
Judy Guerin: One of our main concerns is that during this presidential term, there is a likelihood that there will be several Supreme Court Justice nominations, possibly three or four. It's already a very conservative and split court. Appointments that Bush makes will impact our lives for the next 50 years since these are lifetime appointments. I think the good news about the way the election happened is that it limits somewhat how conservative this administration can get, but I don't think any of us are encouraged by some of what we've seen so far, particularly the appointment of John Aschroft.
On Our Backs: I've heard rumors that, for example, the porn industry is terrified. They're hysterical about Ashcroft's new job. People who run adult businesses are concerned about being shut down or being targeted with obscenity laws. Do you think it's realistic?
Judy Guerin: I just think that whenever possible there will be conservative trends to target groups or prosecute for obscenity based on morality issues related to the radical Right.
On Our Backs: If someone runs their own local BDSM organization or support group or party, what should they do to protect themselves?
Judy Guerin: It really depends on the circumstances. We have a national law enforcement outreach program, and we not only go around the country and educated law enforcement about the difference between SM and abuse and domestic violence, but also educate the community in how to protect themselves legally, both private citizens and groups doing different types of events. The problem with SM and the law is that it's poorly defined; many times the laws are vague. I think that these attacks will continue, and I think that they'll get worse, because as it becomes less acceptable socially to persecute gays and lesbians, these people will look at other people to persecute, and SM folks are really the next group on the list. On the other hand, you know, the Republicans do have strong beliefs in privacy rights, and that's how we will approach the issue with the administration is that what consenting adults do in private shouldn't have government interference.
On Our Backs: But don't you also think that especially more radical Republicans are into privacy rights except for, notably, gays and lesbians, minorities, and other people who fall outside their idea of "normal". They like privacy, but it is applied with a double standard.
Judy Guerin: I think that's true. While I said earlier that it's a little easier to talk about sex in the United States right now, it's not politically comfortable certainly to talk about sex. Politicians are not likely to endorse sex-positive initiatives that may have some moral implications for them. I think it's a difficult four years, and I'm disappointed that we're dealing with this administration. But I also think that if you look at what's happened with the GLBT movement during Republican administrations, there's also a strong unity building and a strong movement building during those periods of times. I think we have a big job socially to change the perception of SM that gets constant negative reinforcement in the media and entertainment industry. I think this is a good opportunity for the SM/leather/fetish community to really unite, get organized, and do some of the groundwork we need to move forward in the future.


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I love this monochromatic use of blue; it's the kind of look I would steal for myself. Â The low scarf is a modern, sportier update to yesterday's ascot.
Wednesday, December 7, 2011
I love this monochromatic use of blue; it's the kind of look I would steal for myself. Â The low scarf is a modern, sportier update to yesterday's ascot.
63 comments
The scarf is perfect.
Love that shirt and his bearded look.
Loving how out of focus everything is but him.
This is beautiful! And I love the touch of purple on his wrist
I must incorporate some blue into my wardrobe!
Wow! It looks really good on him!
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Sooo cool! I would even steal the idea for myself!
Soooo cool! I would even steal the idea for myself!
Love the scarf & beard!
I too like the scarf, it's a nice touch to what he's wearing
This is a great look but pay attention all you men out there …….. ALWAYS check that the fly zip is 100% UP at all times!
Shades of blue worn together and knotted neck scarves- I love. This man is sexily, stylishly confident from head to toe. Also like that he is the only part in focus in this shot.
I think both men & women look good in blue. Seems to be a color anyone can where. Nice shot.
Very , Very nice! The blue, the scarf, the beard, the wrist…
Low scarf looks SO fresh! I love this look.
Scarf is such a great detail. Love it!
sexy guy
That's a great look! I love his bracelet!
all my favourite colours on one person!
Lovely, I like the little chiffon bracelet, like some lover threw him the colors!
Love the look. Great shot.
Check out today's look:
The color and the details! Lovely.
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I want to be friends with this man.
Love the look. So blue, so perfect :)
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all blue – i like it. also like how he's tucked in his scarf
I like the contrast between his old man beard and the boyish bracelet
brilliant quality
Love his style.
he is a charm or say head-turner…a lot thanks to his mustache say..he can certainly pull off any sunglasses with that babe.
I'm not a big fan of total color looks but I have to say it does look good on him :)
The definition of 'seemingly effortless style'.
I'm loving wearing monochrome at the moment. It really helps hide some faults/unwanted bulges as you start to get a little older.
Is this the Italian version of a Canadian Tuxedo?
Wow, that's very nice. This is what I like – being fashionable but staying manly and sexy in the same time!
Amazing ! I like it !
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SUPER CHIC… I agree about the blue. Looks new.
love this use of blue, very inspiring.
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His look is fantastic!
This photo and this man's look are gorgeous, sporty (as you noted), and unique… and nicely accented by that cobalt in the background! I love the blue of his shirt and trousers — almost a mechanic's uniform hue. The way men dress in Milan generally seems neatly calculated yet always evoking a comical element.
* he looks amazing!
adore the color coordination!
Awesome sporty outfit! He's fashion director in Marie Claire Spain
I'm always a fan of monochrome outfits, this one is no exception. He looks so casually well -put together that it must have come out of the box like that.
A grown male, looking stylish and hip, without visible tattoos or piercings, and without looking overdone. How refreshing.
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"Brain training is most cost-effective treatment for chronic fatigue syndrome," BBC News reports, while pacing therapies (learning to live within limits) "offer little value".
Chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) is a poorly understood and often controversial condition. The most common symptom of CFS is extreme tiredness (fatigue).
This news is based on research that aimed to determine how cost-effective four treatment options were for people with CFS. These were:
- specialist medical care for CFS
- cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) – a type of talking therapy
- graded exercise therapy – a structured exercise programme that aims gradually to increase how long a person can exercise for
- adaptive pacing therapy (often just referred to as 'pacing') – pacing is where a person with CFS is encouraged to schedule in periods of rest in their day-to-day activities
To determine the cost-effectiveness, three main factors were taken into account:
- improvement in quality of life
- the cost of providing the treatment
- the potential savings to society
Based on the statistical models used by the researchers, CBT and graded exercise therapy were found to be most cost-effective, while specialist medical care and pacing were the least cost-effective.
The researchers did not consider patient preference, which could have an impact.
While patients may well benefit from CBT and exercise therapy, the researchers note that there needs to be investment to ensure properly trained staff are available to deliver them. This study supports the case for this training.
Where did the story come from?
The study was carried out by researchers from King's College London, Oxford University, London School of Economics and other institutions. It was funded by the UK Medical Research Council, the Department of Health, the Department for Work and Pensions and the Scottish Chief Scientist Office of the Scottish Government Health Directorates.
The study was published in the peer-reviewed journal PLoS ONE.
The coverage by the BBC News was appropriate, though it is unclear how the "millions of pounds" they say the economy could save from wide adoption of these treatments was derived. The term "brain training" used in the headline could give the misleading impression that people with CFS were given computer games consoles to play, but that was not what was looked at in this research.
What kind of research was this?
This was a cost-effectiveness study based on the results of previous research (the PACE trial) that investigated the effectiveness of four treatment options for patients with CFS.
A cost-effectiveness study models the expected total costs of different treatments or interventions (in this case interventions for chronic fatigue syndrome), and compares the effects on health outcomes, to assess which treatments or interventions can be considered to give the best "value for money". This is usually done from the perspective of the health service. In this case societal costs such as lost employment and the cost of informal care for people affected by the illness were included. This sort of information helps decision-makers decide how best to allocate limited healthcare resources. As this approach takes into account benefits of improvements in health and the savings made from better care, the cheapest treatment option is not necessarily the most cost-effective. It allows different treatments in different diseases to be compared against each other and against society's willingness to pay for such things.
What did the research involve?
The researchers used data from a previous study on 640 people with chronic fatigue syndrome. This study compared the effectiveness of adding adaptive pacing therapy, cognitive behavioural therapy or graded exercise therapy to specialist medical care for patients with chronic fatigue syndrome. In this latest study the researchers have investigated the relative cost-effectiveness of these interventions by calculating:
- quality-adjusted life years (QALYs), which are a standard measure used to determine how much somebody's life can be extended and improved as a result of receiving a particular intervention
- the one-year healthcare and societal costs involved with providing each intervention (societal costs were considered by the researchers as lost employment and unpaid informal care)
The researchers then compared the:
- one-year service and societal costs of providing each intervention
- one-year cost-effectiveness of each intervention in terms of gains in QALYs, and reductions in fatigue and disability
The number and duration of treatment sessions for each treatment was recorded (with time added for support activities) and the costs per hour of therapy were estimated based on nationally registered sources. Specific types of medication were also included in the analysis and unpaid and informal care from family and friends estimated at £14.60 per hour based on national mean earnings. Days lost by patients from work and reduced hours due to fatigue while at work was also recorded. QALYs were calculated from health-related quality of life questionnaires carried out at the beginning of the study (baseline) and throughout the study.
One-year healthcare, informal care and societal costs were compared using statistical modelling and adjustments were made for estimated standard costs.
Earlier findings of the PACE trial were reported by NHS Choices in February 2011.
What were the basic results?
The researchers report the healthcare and societal findings of this study separately. The findings include the following:
- patients receiving specialist medical care alone had significantly lower healthcare costs than those receiving CBT, graded exercise therapy and adaptive pacing therapy
- the healthcare costs per QALY gained for CBT and graded exercise therapy were likely to be lower than the £30,000 threshold that, in England, has become a standard for the reasonable use of NHS resources, indicating they were cost-effective
- the healthcare costs per QALY for adaptive pacing therapy were found to be unlikely to be lower than this threshold and, therefore, thought unlikely to be a good use of NHS resources
- when all three were compared to specialist medical care alone, the incremental healthcare cost per QALY was £18,374 for CBT, £23,615 for graded exercise therapy and £55,235 for adaptive pacing therapy, meaning that CBT appeared to be the best value for money
How did the researchers interpret the results?
The researchers say that "their study has found that CBT and graded exercise therapy are cost-effective options for treating patients with CFS. However, for patients to benefit from these therapies there needs to be investment to provide the staff trained to deliver them. The findings we report suggest that such investment would be justified in terms of improved quality of life of patients and would actually be cost saving if all costs including societal costs are considered".
In discussing the research findings, King's College London health economist Professor Paul McCrone said "there is now a strong case for the NHS to invest in providing these therapies".
Another of the researchers from Oxford University said "this new evidence should encourage health service commissioners to provide these treatments to all those patients who need them".
Overall, this study provides evidence to suggest that cognitive behavioural therapy and graded exercise therapy are reasonable value for people with chronic fatigue syndrome. The study does list some points made by the authors that may limit the study findings, including:
- Service use and information on employment was by self-report, which may have led to some unavoidable inaccuracies.
- The researchers estimated costs for medications from average data and this may not have reflected the actual costs in different settings.
- Data were only analysed where baselines and one-year follow-up data were available and the results apply to all costs and benefits over one year only. This is a relatively short time span for an illness that can last a long time and so the researchers call for longer-term studies.
Overall, this is important research into a disabling illness. CFS can last for years. It affects between 0.2 and 2.6% of people worldwide and can be highly disruptive to employment and family life. Any treatments that can be proven to help will most likely be welcomed by those affected by the condition.Behind the Headlines on twitter*.
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Links to the headlines
'Chronic fatigue syndrome: Brain training is most cost-effective treatment'
BBC News, 2 August 2012
Links to the science
McCrone P, Sharpe M, Chadler T.
Adaptive Pacing, Cognitive Behaviour Therapy, Graded Exercise, and Specialist Medical Care for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Cost-Effectiveness Analysis
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The renovated 18-hole golf course has new TifEagle greens as well as new fairway and tee grass, a new irrigation system, new bunkers and landscaping.
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Departments & Organizations
Internal Medicine: Infectious Diseases
Virology Laboratories
Yale Cancer Center: Virus and Other Infection-associated Cancers
Yale Combined Program in the Biological and Biomedical Sciences (BBS): Microbiology | Molecular Cell Biology, Genetics and Development
Yale Medicine
Office of Cooperative Research
After finishing his undergraduate studies at Brown University, Dr. Sutton enrolled in the MSTP at Stanford, where he obtained his PhD degree with Dr. John Boothroyd, working on African trypanosomes. He then completed a categorical residency in internal medicine at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania and a fellowship in infectious diseases at UCSF. After post-doctoral stints with Drs. Harold Varmus, Dan Littman, and Pat Brown in which he worked on HTLV cell binding and entry and the development of HIV-based gene therapy vectors, he joined the faculty at Baylor College of Medicine. In 2008 he was recruited to Yale to continue his work on HIV replication and lentiviral vectors. Dr. Sutton spends approximately 50% of his time at the research bench and 25% in the clinical setting, both out-patient and in-patient. Currently he is also the chief of ID at VACT in West Haven.
Education & Training
|Stanford University School of Medicine (1989)
|Post-doctoral fellow
|UCSF then Stanford University
|UC San Francisco
|Hospital University of Pennsylvania
Honors & Recognition
2013 Avant Garde ScholarNIH-NIDA
Professional Service
NIH-NIAID & NIH-NIDA (2003 - Present) Study Section
Yale University Institutional Biosafety Committee
Yale University Recombinant DNA Committee
Identifying Elite Controllers in Uganda Kampala, Uganda (2017)
Identifying and characterizing HIV+ elite and viremic controllers Mek'ele, Ethiopia (2015 - 2018)
We have active collaborations with two sites in Africa to recruit HIV+ individuals who are able to control HIV in the absence of ART; we are actively exploring whether there is a genetic component to virologic control in these individuals.


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Swarm describes a behaviour of an aggregate of animals of similar size and body orientation, often moving en masse in the same direction. "Swarming" is a general term that can be applied to any animal that swarms. The term can be applied to insects, birds, fish, various microorganisms such as bacteria, and people. The term applies particularly to insects. "Flocking" is the term usually used for swarming behaviour in birds, while "shoaling" or "schooling" refers to swarming behaviour in fish.
Swarm is the social confluence of similarity. On a human level, it happens when we pay attention to the myths that connect us. That's why, as I suggest in The Stories That Connect Us, it matters what stories we share. Our choice of stories create either the fermentations of swarms or fragmentations of isolation.
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"The stars at night, are big and bright, (clap, clap, clap, clap), deep in the heart of Texas."
Well, not all the time. But if some professors, astronomers, and oil and gas companies have their way, the stars will be as bright as fresh mountain snow.
If anyone has ever driven out to the drilling fields of west Texas, the Bakken in North Dakota, or even the refinery-filled suburbs of east Houston at night, they resemble something like a parking-lot carnival spread out for miles.
And that means problems for everyone from observatories to amateur stargazers due to light pollution.
That's what sparked a group of astronomers at the University of Texas McDonald Observatory in the Davis Mountains of west Texas to create what they call the Dark Skies Initiative (DSI).
You see, much of the light generated from the nearby oil fields with thousands of rigs and other equipment such as light towers running 24/7 shines in all directions, when in fact, it really only needs to be pointed down to avoid lighting up a dark sky. It's a problem that's been growing each and every year, not just in the oil fields, but from big cities to suburbs to rural locations. The Texas Parks and Wildlife Department estimates that 80 percent of the American population have never seen the Milky Way due to the growing glow of artificial lights.
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Anneka necesitaba un nuevo diseño de logotipo y lanzó un concurso de diseño en 99designs.
Un ganador ha sido elegido entre 83 diseños de 34 diseñadores freelance.
Simplicity Ministries, an exciting new faith-based non-profit organization needs fearless artist to dress up our existing logo concept with a little graphic "lipstick"!
Simplicity Ministries
We are looking for a logo for Simplicity Ministries to be used on our signs, print materials and upcoming website. We have launched this new faith-based non-profit organization from an existing church to break out into the community to accomplish what we call our 3 C's. They are:
Celebrate: Equipping people in public and private worship. Connect: Meeting in groups to love and serve God together.
Care: Sharing Christ's love outside our church walls.
Simplicity Ministries offers access and resources to other non-profit organizations, and empowers and connects individuals to become mobilized with others to impact needs in their local communities.
Simplicity Ministries is based out of The Simplicity Center, one of the ministries under the organization, which operates a large facility in which office space is rented by other non-profits, creating an energizing and unconventional workplace environment chock full of artists and dreamers daring to make a difference in the world, one community at a time. It is an exciting time for us and if you would like to be a part of our history, we need your savvy artistic genius!
I have an existing concept in jpeg form, and can email it to you.
Here is its description in a nutshell:
simplicity is in a "simple" lowercase typed font, with the letter "t" in a font that looks like a subtle cross. The stick of the cross dips down below the rest of the word into what appears to be three ripples(water) which are the three C's.
We like the concept, but need you to polish it up into something worthy of our identity! We are also open to other ideas, but must include the 3 C's somehow.
Think simple-cuz that's our name, but simple that can still knock-your socks off!
- "Simplicity" is the visual focus, "ministries" can be smaller or more subtle and must be able to be substituted for another word when used in reference to a specific department of Simplicity Ministries "ie: Simplicity Kids", "Simplicity Center".
-must include visual reference of the 3 C's, the ripples (or new idea) should not be complete circles, but C-shapes
- would like "t" to subtly reference a cross, impacting the 3 C's, but also open to alternative ideas
- simple and polished
- fresh, clean, modern, or perhaps even vintage typewriter
- not afraid of color, but should also look decent when black and white
-your typical "church" logo
-Capital Letters
-anything too complicated-think simplicity
-something that looks straight out of clip-art
-something too corporate-looking
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