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- FFXII: The Zodiac Age and FFX/X-2 Remaster available for preorder on Xbox One and Nintendo Switch
- Final Fantasy X | X-2 HD Remaster and Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age for Nintendo Switch and Xbox One arrives this April
- More Final Fantasy titles are coming to PS4, Xbox One and PC; 2018 & 2019 releases
- A myriad of Final Fantasy titles are coming to Nintendo Switch; VII, IX, X/X-2, XII: TZA ports due out 2019
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- Shinji Hashimoto says 2018 will be a big year for Final Fantasy with new titles in development
In an effort to bolster the quality of the Final Fantasy series going forward, Square Enix has deemed it necessary to bring together some of the franchise's top creators in what they're calling the "Final Fantasy Committee."
According to a report by FF-Reunion, the committee will be headed by Yoshinori Kitase, Hajime Tabata, Naoki Yoshida and Motomu Toriyama. Details remain sparse, but their meetings will take place to ensure the quality of the FF series going forward. Long time series character designer and now director of Final Fantasy XV Tetsuya Nomura, however, appears to be separate from this initiative as his priorities lie within his ongoing schedule elsewhere.
Previously, Kitase worked on titles such as Final Fantasy VI, VII, VIII, X, the XIII series as well Crisis Core and FF Type-0. Hajime Tabata directed FF Type-0, Crisis Core, Before Crisis and is now co-director alongside Nomura for the upcoming FFXV. Naoki Yoshida's talents are still quite new to the series, but he dragged FFXIV from the path of irrelevancy and turned it around in a near impossible feat. Motomu Toriyama has also been working on the series since Final Fantasy VII, although he is more well-known for his involvement in titles such as FFX, X-2 and the FFXIII trilogy.
Other Final Fantasy directors such as Akitoshi Kawazu (Final Fantasy II and XII), Takashi Tokita (FFIV), Hiroyuki Ito (Final Fantasy VI and XII) remain largely absent for reasons currently unknown.
I'm okay with the first 3.
Toriyama? Really?
same… the roster was looking good till Toriyama showed up on it, not looking good at all since the guy is just flat out terrible for the franchise.
On top of that where is Hiroyuki Ito? the guy co-directed FFVI, FFIX and FFXII, yet he is no where to be found…
maybe I'm delving to deep into this, but if Square holds Toriyama on a higher level then Ito (who is 1000x better Toriyama) it's not looking good at all.
Probably the easiest change they could make is to stop releasing so many spinoffs and mobile titles under the Final Fantasy name, and focus on making the development of the core number series games faster and less rocky. Toriyama's special job can be finding a way to sneak Lightning into every future Final Fantasy game. 😉
Hiroyuki Itou MIA.
Nicole DeCambre
"…the committee will be headed by Yoshinori Kitase, Hajime Tabata, Naoki Yoshida and MOTOMU TORIYAMA".
Square is doomed.
Why is Toriyama on this committee and where the FUCK is Ito ?
Aly Hesham
Because he is someone who has been working on this series for more than 15 years ?
Nicole DeCambre
Sequels are becoming a necessary evil, considering the production-cost spike we've witnessed this current generation. Recycling game material for sequels, mobile spin-offs, & DLC are used to off-set those costs. This, consequentially, waters down the quality of the original product.
If, perhaps, they utilize a carousel method (where different directors/creative producers within the studio take a crack at the sequel), then that might stave off the creative stigma that seems to follow sequels, specifically Final Fantasy.
Only problem with this notion is that I possess very little faith in Square Enix's staff nowadays…
Jaylen Lightbourn-Levine
why isn't tetsuya nomura on here too? all of them are great in their own way, but leaving him out is kind of ignorant when his work is a lot more profound.
Aly Hesham
There will probably be more than just 4 people on that committee.
Sothe Zephyr
Wow this is awesome! Idk what else to say but im happy to see this come into effect 😀 Shame Nomura is excluded from the list 🙁
a pity,but he is occupied by two games.Were he to join this committee we would be having issues.Well,after he finishes,if he is not included,well,that would really suck.
oh…lookie here, Director Toriyama.hehehe,I really like him.Never have I seen anyone as hated as him on a fanbase.Only his ruin and suffering will be the greatest joy to some fans.That is rabid.Yeah,considering the how it is,2/3 of the hate is their imagination.
My biggest gripe about your comment. : They are trying to ensure quality to the series. Having lightning in anymore games is counter productive. Milking the ff7 fan base would be a bad move too. SE needs to roll back a little more, instead of even thinking of any HD remake for ff7 they should make an HD remake of FF6. I think Looking back on their roots and rebuilding off what first made the series so popular and great would help them get back on track. FF13 was horrible in almost every way., Never again do I want to see a female cloud on her period. Instead of Rushing through numbers i think it would be nice to have more solid continuations of the stories we all loved. Like the after years, the story was great the whole moon cycle thing was meh, the chrono trigger combo system was a very nice touch, and most of all i loved how they gave the other FF bosses an appearance from 1-6, Damn Ultros xD!
Sothe Zephyr
Why is toriyama hated so much?
Because he's wasted the last what, 4 or 5 years with a protagonist almost no one likes, churning out games that have been "okay" at best?
Sothe Zephyr
Which protagonist? and games?
I noticed that too. Hmm :
ITT: People who do not understand that Toriyama has been working on the Final Fantasy franchise since 1996 and has directed *FIVE* – yes really – Final Fantasy games.
My personal disappointment with this is not the inclusion of Toriyama, but that this is skewed so heavily towards the FF7 faction of Square Enix's creative bench. Although… aside from Itou maybe the non-FF7 people don't exist any longer?
At least we got Yoshida.
new pic,mister Sothe?Emo Snow is even cooler then hot-blooded Snow.Good taste
Do the fans hate him because it is a trend repeated everywhere or do they hate him for a justified reason?I can agree there were many mistakes in execution on FFXIII and XIII-2 but still,nothing worthy of this hate campaign:the games have great quest and,especially on 2,a good antagonist.I loved Lightning and Caius.
Unlike the rabid fans,Lightning had caracter development and actually reflected on what happened around her(once she calmed down on Hope's town).After FFXIII is long behind us,people are going to hate on XV…even if it surpasses VII.Such is life,unfortunately. Well,I am going.If we keep this up the mods will close this down too.
which include FFX-2,XII-2 (okay, it's called revenant wings, but it's basically a sequel), and the XIII trilogy…yeah not the greatest track record.
anyway, i'am kinda disappointed in that too (the whole FF7 people only). i'am sure they do have a couple of people from back then
Lightning, XIII trilogy.
granted i did enjoy XIII alot (not close to being on my top 5 FF games, but it's still great), but lightning was so…meh in comparison to other FF protagonists
Yeah…XII and XIII suffered from development hell…and XV too,considering the distance between when it was announced and now,about 7-8 years later.I think SE needs to follow a little more the CoD way of development,or better yet,a "tales of" way of development(keeping the basic and just adding some new perks to make things awesome) and slow down on the innovations and try to do a "one step at a time" thing.If they could guarantee great innovations with good develop times,well,I would appreciate.Sadly,I think sequels came to stay.I don't mind,it keeps things interesting.
Nomura visioned a game(XV) 2 gens before the tech for it would be ready,while occupied by another massive RPG series(KH).While I appreciate his audacity,had he done a more careful route,the game wouldn't have been announced so soon and we would be getting it sooner… too late to cry for spilled milk though.
Toriyama and everyone else at SE was a bit inexperienced with HD graphic,massive team(an issue XII already had) and PS3 tech quality games…that is why I think the game had so many development issues….and the first trailer was so radically different from the end product.Well,I don't think the PS3 could have handled that well…so he ended up hasting himself a generation too.
well Ito has been in the series since it's conception so…
Sothe Zephyr
I dont think i found an answer in there o.o What protagonist did he waste time on?
Better stop this.We don't need an answer because it is highly probable we will disagree with him and well,I don't think he will let himself be convinced,he could start rampaging around and get this section closed.Or this will get long and attract the mods attention.
Something tells me he meant Lightning.Nobody likes her?Well,I do!That means your statement ain't true.Sorry to burst your bubble.
Sothe Zephyr
Oh i thought he was you xD So can you tell me why people dont like him? Please? lol – also back to original comment – ya i love LR snow MUCH better than 13/13-2 snow. His hair/look and attitude is a big part of that.
Sothe Zephyr
That Tidus character.
no i agree with him, what characters, ? though you peeps on Neogaf hate her, Lightning is THE most liked final Fantasy character in japan, and heck my twitter is covered in Lightning love, IMO Lightning is best Character since zidane
hey there,don't lump me with him and his buddies.Well,by my understanding,they say she lacks personality,character development and is bland,or is a Cloud clone.
I don't think we played the same game as him and his buddies.Lightning during her journey made many discoveries about herself and the world around her.
That allowed her to forgive herself for threatening and not believing her only sister that she loved and the man from her life,Snow.
It made her realize that she gave up on the crystallized Serah and on being a L'cie too easy,unlike Snow, and that what she lost,her previous life sucked and was not worth the effort.
And,more importantly,that her abrasive personality,along with her attitude,which she adopted because she believed only she could protect her sister,were alienating her from Serah,from her friends and from her own feelings.That is why she is so cold initially .
With that,she realized she wasn't alone anymore,and that she had the strength to challenge her fate,together with their support,not giving up.
You're an idiot
when it comes to gameplay, Toriyama does a fantastic job, so he deserves to be in the committe.
I'm pretty sure he worked on FFVII a bit, even suggested the idea of Aerith's death, too, an event a lot of people seem to think is one of the most tragic and amazing deaths in video game history…for whatever reason.
Tony F.
PLUS… Toriyama did a good work in Bahamut Lagoon and wasn't very favorable in bringing Lightning back in XIII-2 onwards. I'm okay with XIII saga, but even if I wasn't, can't blame the guy.
Also, it's great to see Yoshi-P voicing his opinion here. And I'm happy to see Tabata, too, Type-0 looks awesome.
Once again I ask myself…
why do I like Final Fantasy again?
All you peeps hating on Toriyama seem to forget that FFXIII sold 6.9 million copies, that is MORE than FFIX more than X, more then XII seriously stop bitching and suck it up haters, I love Sakaguchi but they are never getting him back, Welcome to the new fantasy!
People just love to ignore the fact that Toriyama's been with the series a damn long time. Since VII, earlier? I thought I'd wandered into GameFAQs, but the hate is just ridiculous. He's a person for god's sakes.
Sothe Zephyr
Well i found light to fit PERFECTLY with what she is supposed to be. A cold soldier with little emotion.
she gets emotion by the end but at the beginning, she is all about serah.
I loved XIII but everyone gots their opinionzzzz 😀 Keep it friendly guys ~ just….opinions lawl
Aly Hesham
I amnot against Ito being in the committee ,nor do I get to decide.Infact , I would very much require him to be in there if I had the choice.
Aly Hesham
X sold around 8 million.Its the second highest selling FF.
Now Square is doomed because great people works with the series. That is the hater's logic.
And 13 is the first
Aly Hesham
I think when people start wishing him physical harm…Its unhealthy xD
the paradigm shift system has one of the best gameplay in the series,mixing action with strategy,and they update it with each game,making it better.
Fábio Henrique Arosti
Motomu Toriyama……………………………..??????????? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS COMPANY??
Aly Hesham
Paradigm shift system is designed by Yuji Abe.He is a great game designer.
sorry for my noobness.Need to credit people properly for their job,especially when it is well done.
X is almost 10 years older.Keep that on mind,please.
Sothe Zephyr
Lol ya xD Leave the poor guy alone! -steps in front of a hypothetical toriyama- il protect you! (i love him :3 – as to my understanding he brought me 13 <3)
People wish to see him harmed dead,unemployed,ruined…man,would you like if someone wished that to you(Not talking to you mister Aly,but to who hates him).
Sothe Zephyr
It is scary when events such as that form. What a people we are to say such things o.o" -eyes of etro activate- crap…..we gona die! BUT NOT BEFORE ME! TEEHEE IN YO FACES! LAWL
I can't see her as a Cloud clone.She has a strong sense of self,identity and initiative,unlike him(at least until he recovered his original personality).
Much of his development was actually him recovering from his mental wounds that Sephiroth gave him and freeing himself from that shell, while discovering the will to resit Jenova's cells inside him,believe in his friends and beat Sephiroth.
All thanks to his interactions with Tifa and Aerith,who helped him even after her death,by letting Tifa go to his subconscious to mend him.
Alright,I am finished.This is why Light is to me one of the best protagonists.
"No one," eh? Interesting that you speak for everyone. I get that the haters are louder but there are still plenty of people that like Lightning and the XIII games. They wouldn't be doing a third if there wasn't a fanbase that Square believes will give them a profit.
Sothe Zephyr
So uhm…off topic 😉 Does anyone have a good LR wallpaper on em? One with light and snow etc – google isnt helpful!
According to the last recorded amount " The game has sold 6.6 million copies as of January 2004."
They might have meant the XIII series as a whole, XIII and XIII-2. XIII I thought just passed the seven million mark last year, and FFXIII-2 hit 4 million this year?
no FFXIII has sold 6.9 million copies, FFXIII-2 has sold 3.1 million if you want to put that together you can, the fact is, his games make money,
kkkkk Trollyiamaaaaaa!!!
Erren Van Duine
Sales don't necessarily indicate quality. Also it's shipped, not sold.
Erren Van Duine
Hey. Be nice now.
sowwie 🙁 xD
Doesn't matter S.E is a company. Companies make money, Sales = Money, that is like saying Final Fantasy II, made more money than Final Fantasy XIII ….
But then again it comes down to the fact he could have also refused it so you are partly right 😛
Maybe if Type-0 ever made it out of the East he might have been
Welcome to the crappy FanDUMB.
No need for the downvote, man. Do you have a source for the sales so I can keep them in mind?
Cool. Where's Sakaguchi?
Bah… At least Tabata and Yoshida are on the committee. Really hoping Ito is still around though.
According to rumors, he is. We'll find out in a few years, heh.
I did the research bro, and the way you state the sales is that lolFFXIII sole more than FFIX,X and XII combined, which is a lie.
Resources show FF-XIII sold around 6.9 Mil in 2009, true.
FF-IX[9] sold 5.3 Mil for the Playstation 1!
FF-X[10] sold for 8.05 Mil for the PS2 back in 2001!
Finally FF-XII[12} sold for normally 5.95 Mil for the PS2 concole.
In addition, you want to know what title sold the most? That was Final Fantasy VII [7] for the PS1 back in 1997 when I was stationed in S.Korea and bought me a reserved copy before it even released(and the cover what black, not white).
be sure to have your facts right. Thank you, have a good day. 🙂
HERE: http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250920/top-10-in-sales-final-fantasy/
Now that is one of life's greatest shits.Believe or not,that is the question.Oh well,the subordinate's sucess is also the superior's sucess.
Fábio Henrique Arosti
Well, it looks like there are some Toriyama fans here. So, guys, I don't want a fight or anything like that, I just want to know… do you guys think he's a good pick to be in that committee?
DoDoDo Ro
Sakaguchi will never return, he says SE has ruined FF and a few years back said for them to "Stop re-hashing his creation" after stepping down to create "Mistwalker"
No, seriously. Why is Toriyama anywhere near this? Since it's 4 different people they probably have divided amounts of who says what. But to break it down: Kitase has veteran experience and directed some of the best games, Tabata was sort of an understudy of his in that aspect and lead there portable flagships with great success, and Yoshida has huge potential and thoroughly deserves anything for what he pulled off injecting new-blood.
Motomu Toriyama? They are trolling us.
Which went on to create great games like …
holy shit he really said that!!! O.o
God damn I mean I guess the guy really isn't that blind to see how bad they are doing with the series but my guesses is he wasn't referring to now. Maybe he doesn't like the whole futuristic style or something…any ideas?
Jean Paiva
He never did nothing better than any FF in mistwalker…. My opinion, and I'm leaving. XD
For those wondering, DoDoDo Ro refers to this report here: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/04/07/father-of-final-fantasy-stop-rehashing-final-fantasy/
I was being sarcastic, by the way. Sakaguchi's returning to SE is nigh impossible, that I know.
Is that for real? Well, before I would lose time to explain why haters are wrong in doing this kind of statement, now I simply laugh.
hmmm, this comment seems familiar, I think I saw it on GameFaqs 😀
more games in gameplay like Lightning Returns pls…..
Ito is one of the most people have influence in FF alongside with sakaguchi ,Nobuo ,Amano ,Kawazu.Almost in the Gameplay , battle design field from FF I to XII
For example , without His ATB creation , maybe FF will stop at FF 5 and turn into something else.
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There's Lost Odyssey and The Last Story. But it's true, he doesn't have much grounds to be talking.
The console to place an RPG on, was the PS3. It doesn't seem like he made the necessary strides to do just that.
I realize his studio is only story development (?) but, c'mon.
XV gameplay is better. Don't get me wrong. I'm Lightning Saga super fan.
To ppl who don't like Toriyama. Why do you hate him so much? He took big parts in Yo Fave VII and X.
This is just a quality-ensuring committee. NOT development team.
Well, I think a good chunk of the hate for Toriyama is what he did to Aya Brea in The 3rd Birthday. Pretty much ruined everything in the PE universe. He is just horrible at writing stories. Look how convoluted the FFXIII series have become. That man is obsessed with time travel, which is a recurring theme in anything he touches to the point that it's ridiculous.
I'm not Toriyama fan. But what he did was impressive. He did according to fans and those damn fans backlashed him. Sad
read this if the story is not good for you http://finalfantasythings.tumblr.com/post/63013629017
developer's life. one mistake and many ppl (on the internet) wants to kill you. terrible logic.
It's ironic because he doesn't know what quality is. He singlehandly destroyed the PE series by his abysmal writing for The 3rd Birthday. I hope you're happy, because I'm not. Makes me wanna punch the guy in his face. Maybe that'll help straighten his crooked teeth.
I think the word would be useful. I don't think I'd let him write or be at the director's seat considering some of his 'particular' choices.
However, at the end of the day, Toriyama and his team managed to rake in the money when Nomura and whoever made the initial XIV, couldn't deliver.
Whether or not a portion (a big portion, I think) of the fanbase likes the game is another story, but pointing every finger at him seems sort of like an scapegoat for the fans who're tired of Lightning and the XIII saga.
Square isn't just Toriyama. It's also Nomura not delivering on Versus and KH3 and keeping the fans waiting. It's also the XIV fiasco. It's the mobile craze to try and bring in good income with lesser risk.
It's a lot of things. At the very least, he's actually delivering on games. Unlike Nomura who's just recently thrown the fanbase a bone and suddenly he's the savior of the series.
I want KH and XV as much as the next guy, but credit where credit is due. Toriyama has some very skewed ideas which probably shouldn't even make it past the planning stage, but it is what it is.
(btw, I didn't downvote you. Just replied)
I actually liked FFXIII. But once T3B came around, and FFXIII-2 (he has this obsession of killing main characters off), I had enough of his "story writing."
I know right? The quality of FFs have fallen in the current gen, partly due to Toriyama. Yet they put him on this committee? Seems like a whole lot of in company politics to me.
To me it seems like he's not in there because:
a) He'll probably Focus on Kingdom Hearts once he's done with XV (so no need to have him in the group to take up his time when he's probably not going to be doing a lot besides character designs come next FF and tending to his main project, KH)
b) It was his choice not to be in the committee.
I think both are possible.
Sure, leave him on the projects, but not as a director or story writer. He should have stayed his place like in FFVII…being the guy that helped on the submarine minigame.
I guess killing main characters is a make-up for SOMETHING BIG LATER 😛
EDIT: He wants to add tragedy on the story. Why do you feel disappointed rather than melancholic. 😛
Well, there goes the FF series.
OK. I can understand why you are not happy. Let's hope for more good stories 😀
It's sad that everything he did was for fans but he failed. :/
I wouldn't hold my breath. See for me, I waited so long for a sequel to PE2, 10+ years, and was so excited for T3B. But once I finished it, the damage was already done. Worst story ever conceived. Still waiting 3 years later for some sort of announcement for another installment to right the wrong of T3B. But I have pretty much given up hope. So yeah, I'll always hate Toriyama for what he did to the PE series.
Or just makes thing all the more convoluted and messy when he brings them back to life. Still doesn't explain how Tidus came back to life in X-2.
Yeah. Kill and just bring them back to life. It's childish. But on the other way, it's good to see our fave characters being revived from death.
People on this site are nicer than Siliconera's. There are a whole bunch of fools blaming Toriyama for bring Lightning to every series. Well, those were fan-services. Why are they so stupid? Well, FF fanbase is known to be a mix of good and nastiest fans alike.
Yup, because one guy who's on a committee with three others (and I'm sure it'll grow) to better the series' future, and not a development team, is suddenly the ruination of the series.
This logic is just so glorious, honestly.
So you wish harm on him? That's going to help?
A guest
Because his "contribution" to FFVII included the Honeybee Inn segment which he originally wanted to make larger and involve a short hunt for Tifa's underwear only to find that you'd collected and put on Marlene's instead.
It was also multi-platform, unlike its predecessors.
my god stop your whining. your hater attitude is pathetic . you seriously want to physically assault a human being because he made VIDEO GAMES you dont like ? you need some serious psychatric help. its exactly haters like you that disgust me beyond comprehension
It's rare to see this many comments here, on the siliconera article they argue in 180 comments so far…
but many of them are "They put Lightning in every game" "Lightning sucks" "FFXIII blah blah blah". LOL
I think comments on this site are lower because this site is dedicated for FF fans and ppl who are interested in FF articles. Siliconera is a whole load of mixed ppl. 🙂
what?? im not that kind of pervert.
he advised to add Aerith' death scene.
Wassim Mokhtar
An amazing idea! The series has been on a role so far but with such a committee being made, this will for sure enforce true quality to future or HD remastered Final Fantasy titles. Now give me Final Fantasy XII HD :3
Wassim Mokhtar
Toriyama is a great dude, plus the decision of future FF titles will be decided as a group so calm. Plus there are people who does like Final Fantasy XIII. Sure it has its flaws but that doesnt mean its a hated game. And before you judge him, look him up, he did work on Final Fantasy VII, directed Final Fantasy X and plenty more. Honestly the lovable Final Fantasy games we played wouldn't have been the game without his work so please know the facts before you judge.
Wassim Mokhtar
The FF series is doing great even before this committee even existed! consider the birth of the committee to be acted as a 'safeguard', an extra layer of protection to the Final Fantasy series.
Wassim Mokhtar
VGchartz, thats the website where you can find all the sale figures of every game product.
Wassim Mokhtar
Age doesn't matter.
Wassim Mokhtar
But just to point out that there are amazing games like Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch, which Level 5 done an amazing job, though it did not meet the sale figures they were hoping for. Although money is there to fund the development of the game, the true quality lies within the developer's idea and imagination.
So Toriyama, who did a lot of great things in the series, including extremely fun gameplay experiences, taking risks by changing the FF formula, who directed games with wonderful art direction and music (not saying that he doesn't have his faults) would suit better in a submarine minigame?
Man, you gotta be kidding.
That's the problem I have with haters, they only recognize the bad things, and never talk about the good, and when is about the older FFs, they only talk about the good things, and never the bad. Hater's logic.
Miles Greb
Make the PS4 only….will be a big first step.
Just go to Square Enix HQ the one in Japan not in America (make sure you bring a translator) and go and talk to someone there to discuss about toriyama ruined your life BECAUSE NO ONE CARES or a majority of us.
I could agree with you if you were talking about the PS3 were the bluray storage was much higher than the xbox HD DVD, but now on next gen consoles they use the same bluray disc, so I don't see any reason to keep a game PS4 exclusive (or vice-versa).
How embarrassing. I wasn't aware that it was NSFW, but I've removed the link. Thanks for catching that.
Nowadays JRPGs really dominate the 3DS scene, actually.
Remember that Microsoft provides financial support for Mistwalker.
I'm not a Toriyama fan considering the things I read about some of his decisions on the series so far, but I don't want to simply hate him without knowing what are the main good and bad things he did with the franchise. I have to admit that two bad facts comes to my mind instantly: the ridiculous fanservice involving Tifa (thanks god some of his ideas were rejected) and now the recent "Lightning's breast size" issue and the way he exposed it to the public on a conference a while ago (which the results we all know = fandom rage). If someone could point some of his contributions to the series, I would be thankful 😉
Sigurd Simensen
technically you are right, and square probably needs the money now after the 13-period. When everything comes to everything they are a company and what they do is earning money. But today consoles are very similar and the only thing that can define them from each other are the exclusives. Final fantasy went of the exclusivity with 13. But final fantasy versus 13 var one of the titles that was really selling the ps3, not only because of its looks, but also because of it's exclusivity. I remember seeing the end video of the sony press conference on e3 this year. this was before the multi-platform announcement. final fantasy 15 was part of it and I really felt that final fantasy 15, among others, was really the big powerhouse for playstation 4. Just like mario and zelda was nintendo final fantasy and metal gear solid was sony. I really got that good old feeling back when I saw that video.
Last Story and Lost Odyssey are bad for opposite reasons. The Last Story is fun to play but has a paper thin narrative, while Lost Odyssey is a good narrative trapped in awful systems.
He added the most unnecessary section in FF7, there was no single director in FFX. I know the facts, he is a shit director and continues to make shitty games. He single highhandedly ruined the Parasite Eve franchise. He should be locked up where Ito is, and never be allowed to see the light of day.
Erren Van Duine
Well, one is a lot more powerful than the other for one…
Erren Van Duine
That was actually Nomura.
Sure, let's discuss how series can be improved with people who are actually ruining them as we speak. Square, what is wrong with you?
Where is Nomura? Ito? Hell, invite Matsuno as a freelancer for christ's sake. Just not kitase and toriyama.
they must be in primary school, don't be too harsh.
Lowe De Leon
Wooh! I've never seen such amount of comments here. This for me is good news. While Yoichi Wada left and Yosuke Matsuda in the helm, I think Square Enix wants to bring the old and new fans alike with sincerity, this time around. It personally didn't hurt me to see Toriyama in the list since let's all be honest, while there's a big a mount of hate for XIII, him being there would ensure that the same mistakes people think he committed won't be done again. I think people also need to think that while Toriyama seemed infamous for his directing, he won't be kept too long by the company if he doesn't bring good results. In a business perspective, why would a company keep someone who brings so much hate from the fandom, right? People need to open themselves up more. I don't want to go to the term "entitlement" since for sure some of us here have spent hard-earned money to buy these games. Let's just wait and see. ^_^
Just how convoluted is/was XIII exactly?
Time travel is almost never a good plot device. It's very easy to fuck things up when it comes to continuity. A prime example is Sonic 2006. Paradoxes and continuity issues all over the place. With FFXIII and Toriyama, you're right, it's convoluted as hell.
People like him don't have a good track record like Nomura, but he's one of the people who knows what needs to be fixed in the FF series the most. Because he screwed it up.
They always get so offensive with SE, even though they buy the Lightning stuff that they supposedly 'hate'. I don't really like it, but it's not the worst saga I've ever played.
XIII sold and made XIII-2 possible
The series has taken an ambitious route and are releasing the first ever FF trilogy. SE have recognized them as making profit. From someone who has played each FF game, their "quality" has remained the same… bringing us a new and fresh FF experience and story. The "fans" are the ones who have "changed" drastically. My God I have never had a complaint with their games where I would wish ill-will on someone [Toriyama] who didn't create the game the way they [the gamer] wanted…
Fábio Henrique Arosti
I see your point.
You know, Pekola, I think that when we think stuff like "well, at least he's making games" something gotta be wrong. Although I know that Final Fantasy XIII and its sequels don't suck, they're not on par with the series too. Of course that's a matter of opinion, but I don't remember that much bashing on the previous entries.
The fanbase is whining because the FFXIII trilogy was different, and for them different means "bad"; there's a lot of ways to express quality, and players with open-mind can understand this. DmC was great, but also received negative feedback because it was… different. It's how I view this.
Rasheed Jackson
Square's real redeemer. HE should be on the committee but he's really busy making gold.
Rasheed Jackson
Let me get this straight. They feel the games FF games haven't been high quality FF for the past couple of years so they form a team composed of those mainly responsible for those games( Kitase and Toriyama especially). Ok square 🙂
REally? Well XIII was alright. Was able to understand the story after much thought. But once FFXIII-2 started…oh boy. Whenever there's not a clear explanation for things, paradox! Always the paradox effect. Chaos coming out of nowhere at the supposed end of XIII, like they just shoehorned it in, just like Serah's eyes of etro.. Multiple Yeuls? Multiple timelines? Oh, lets jump from 3AF to 300AF and back to 10AF, or 1X AF, no wait, lets go to 200AF, or even ???AF. Really? And is Caius really dead or alive? Hope is old in XIII-2, but somehow reverts back to his prepubescent years in LR? As for LR, I find the plot already bleh in the fact that they supposedly are 500 years older, but for some reason children cannot be born.. as if chaos is a contraceptive and fountain of youth. Not a very compelling plot point IMO.
The FFXIII trilogy was the most divisive entry in the series, there's no doubt about that. But I think we have to take into account that FFXIII and it's sequels were also the FFs who changed the most.
I'm not saying they doesn't have flaws, but the more you distance from the view of "perfect FF" (and the majority see the PS1 era as the example of "perfect FF"), the more hate you will get.
Sorry I'm not blinded by everything SE does as if they're a saint. You remind me of the followers of Yevon who blindly follow the teachings of Yevon as if they don't have a mind of their own. You sir need the psychiatric help Mr. White Knight of SE.
Probably gonna help his dentition.
YEah, Toriyama is a pervert. Pretty much seen a mile away by the sexualization of "Aya Brea" in T3B, and Lightning's new found fashion sense.
Funny how you are so quick to assume I need a translator. If no one cares, then please stop reading my comments and don't comment. Dur. But you do care <3
because one director and producer cannot listen to fan feedback and improve their games. oh wait, is exactly what they have been doing after XIII, lol.
Rasheed Jackson
The only thing the fans really want is that classic FF formula. Big open world, airship, better character development (antagonist with screen time), TOWNS? NPCs?(that aren't boring or have annoyingly forced voices), real QUALITY? I can tell how ambitious FF 15 is because of it's long development time. It not trying to be a movie, seems to be FF CORE AT IT'S FINEST(besides thebattle system but its KH system so alls well) , and has a fucking AIRSHIP! Nomura for the win.
it's like real quality can only be achieved by a pre-determined form, that's why I said in a previous post here: the fanbase don't want to accept change.
For this guy, a FF needs floating ships to be good, for me it only needs to be well made, regardless of the type of game they want to make.
anyway, if you really want big cities and npcs and open worlds why are you complaining. XIII-2 and LR:FFXIII have improved this aspects a lot since the original XIII. at least you should be optimistic about the future given that they actually listened to fan feedback.
They listened to feedbacks. But fans always change targets.
seems like you focus on gameplay a lot. i also want what u said. but i don't agree with antagonist. the story is not about them. the story is struggles of the gods and their usage of humans as pawns. many fans couldn't accept XIII saga because it lacked super-ultra villain like Sephiroth (for kids). XIII-2 had Caius, but because he isn't true villain?
Just telling my opinion. I'm also disappointed. But I accept they did those because they wanted to focus on story. 🙂
Everybody wants to put Nomura on the list. But bashing Toriyama isn't the solution. 🙂
haha true.
FFXII had open world style but the story felt secondary.
FFXIII had a more focused story, but they bashed the linearity
FFXIII-2 address the linearity, but the game lacks Lightning.
LRXIII improves exploration, but the game have Lightning so its bad.
Not saying that everyone says this, but from what I read so far, it's a good summary.
Come on now, he's not the one wishing physical harm on someone and criticizing their appearance just because of a video game.
we should all just try and discuss things without wishing someone physical pain over a game.
Every entry in the series has garnered some hate. The reason XIII is hated so much is because it's gone on for more than just one mainline entry.
And I agree, something is wrong. I just think that placing blame on Toriyama alone is disingenuous at best. They've all had a part in chipping away at the foundations of Square.
One of the many goals of XIII-2 was to repair the timeline, and this consisted of solving the paradox anomalies due to the events of XIII
Hope's age will most likely be revealed in LR – be patient 🙂
As evidenced by XIII-2's secret canon ending, Caius is very much alive and will return, as we all know. I respect your opinion about the known plot points, but ask that you give the game a chance before jumping to conclusions before the final product has been released.
But there's so many "how?" questions left unanswered. Like how is it possible Caius is alive if Noel "killed" him? Which unfortunately to answer such "how" questions, results in reasons that are not very straight forward, thus causing the story to become convoluted.
I think you are doomed. xP
im not that superstitious. xD
holy shit! that's so far!
That's much too singular to think that the majority of the fanbase is upset simply because it was different, a little elaboration would be great.
believe it or not most people may not be able to properly articulate what it is they specifically liked or hated in a video game.
Personally, I find it quite obvious what people are asking for and it has less to do about the past (like everyone believes) and more to do about the formula and pacing.
you can't FORCE change just for shits and giggles in a long running series, I felt DMC was great and smooth, but pales in comparison to what came before.
Your viewing peoples problems with these titles way too linearly, most negative opinions about 13 actually are valid.
He ruined Parasite Eve for a lot of fans, I don't think giving you his good deeds will keep you from hating him. Because he ruined "Third Birthday" (Parasite Eve 3) a lot of fans are settled on hating Motomu Toriyama. I'm not sure (someone will probably correct me), but I think he also came up with the infamous laughing scene in Final Fantasy 10, y'know that scene everybody seems to hate for some reason.
Even though I don't like Toriyama's style either, I do believe he can get it right. He just seems very overenthusiastic, he needs someone to work closely with him to keep his ideas in perspective.
Only if I get to control more than one character. 🙂
The complaints i have heard about LRXIII is the fact that people don't like the FFXIII world and characters, personally i like the world and some of the characters, but it is definitely not my favorite. That being said, there is countless of individuals on the internet and people complaining about 13, 13-2 or lightning returns is probably not the same people.
People have different tastes. Me? Among the FF games i have played (1, 2, 3, 4-finished, 7, crisis core-finished, 10,12-finished, 13, Dissidia and Dissidia 012 both finished) My favorite FF game is FF12, and my favorite story and characters is crisis core, because Zack (You could probably guess from my profile picture). There are a lot of other games out there that give so many different experiences. I am just waiting what comes out next.
I have found the FF franchise to be a great one for my tastes. So i follow it, simple as that. I now await FF15 and KH3 more than any game i have ever waited for… its super exciting, and i hope that Nomura can pull off my high expectations. If he cant, ill be a little sad. But there are so many other good games out there. So its not something to get mad about, games are a form of media, not a matter of life and death.
Any way, thanks for reading my rant. Just had to get this out of my system. XD
Not so much more powerful. My PC is about 10 times more powerful than both :p
I think its more of a problem that time traveling is almost impossible to pull off. Since there is very few ways it ever makes logic sense, yes multiple timelines is a solution, but even then you got to be extremely careful not to create gigantic plot holes. I liked 13-2, but damn did that game not give two shits about logic.
All fans should be like you. :/
Past Final Fantasy titles usually had cohesive gameplay, story, and art direction. The gameplay is just as important as the story in terms of being immersed in their worlds.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather read about a past Regent of Lindblum (FF9) on an actual statue than through a datalog entry(FF13). Although these days graphics makes it hard to do so, I'd rather be apart of that Motorcycle chase (FF7) than watch Sazh and the gang fly that airship to escape from Psy-Com (FF13).
What people are actually missing is a grander scale of immersion, 13's story is incredibly enclosed on the characters, which is not a bad thing, but they felt they needed to exclude and/minimize series traits in order to do so. They could've been FAR more creative with the time they had to develop the title. Final Fantasy fans aren't really asking for a lot even though it may seem like it. They are actually asking for a more cohesive product with a grander (scale? no) "Sense" of immersion.
Despite how people trivialize it down to wanting Clouds and Sephiroths, or Terra's and Kefka's, the thing that is REALLY bothering some fans is 13's smaller sense of scale, its unshakable focus on the main characters. I guess it's like FF12. People felt Final Fantasy 12 was too impersonal while Final Fantasy 13 was too personal.
i care too, i love to hear what other people have to say about things i am interested in. But these comments is just about slapping each other in the face, please don't attack each other.
🙂 thanks
I haven't played all of it, but Chrono Trigger seems to do it EXTREMELY well. I see why people love it so much.
I remember when 13-2 was announced a lot of people on forums would hope that it would be similar and as well done as Chrono Trigger.
I have not played Chrono trigger, need to do that…
I'm skipping LRXIII, I gave the original XIII a try hated my experience most of the way through, gave XIII-2 a go and it was definitely better though the story got on my nerves quite a bit. Unless theirs overwhelming praise for LRXIII out of the blue, I'm outright skipping it, I'm no longer interested.
Your definitely one of the more patient fans. Out of the many differing perspectives out there in the world, your perspective is what being a fan of a series is all about.
From what I read until then, generally the fanbase compare too much to older FF games.
There is negative opinions of XIII that are valid, but the majority forgets that it also have praise to be done. and I think if you analyze objectively the game, the positive aspects surpass the negative.
There's also negative opinions about older FF games that are valid, but the fanbase treat the SNES-PS1 as god-like titles, so from my perspective the fans are going too much in the extreme side of things.
Immersion depends on how much you relate to the game too. If you don't connect to the characters and world, it can mean that they are bad, or that you didn't like them at a personal level.
I certainly felt a deep connection with the lore of the XIII games, and more than any other FF game in terms of mythology.
I will use the DmC example again, how someone can connect with the new Dante if you already have in mind that he is crap because he is different than the old one? So there is this side of the matter.
If you lock your mind with the concept of "FF must be like this", when you find something different from this "image" it will be harder to connect. If you have a game with elements that "must be in FF" for you, then it will be easier to feel immersion.
William Trengove
Wow…I'm honestly surprised that the top comments here aren't the 'Same old Toriyama Bashing' that I've seen on every other social media/message forum, I can get why people don't like the XIII Trilogy but people have been bashing Toriyama since 2010…It got old in 2010 and it's still old now, these fans who're stuck in 1997 need to move on with their lives and look forward to better things.
The story is great enough. Also the scenes are already grand. But I agree with some of things you said. Toriyama need a lot more skills to reach Nomura and some others' epicness. 🙂
But please, don't bash our love to XIII. I love it so much. It was my first PS3 game. It made 'Final Fantasy' my favorite series. It hurts when I see ppl bash it to the ground. :/
Jean Paiva
You're right.
Jean Paiva
Ppl complain about FFXIII linearity, but DUDE, they're L'cie, running out of time, they're time-bomb. The party is being hunted until they ship to Pulse. The game has to be like that or nothing would make sense at all. I'm mean, "Oh, we gonna become Cie'th, but first we need to find a chocobo for this old woman." Does not fit in the game. XD That's what I think.
*PSICOM. Just sayin'.
I myself actually like how FFXIII focused so much on the characters. I felt relatable to almost all of the characters because we got to know them so well, their goals and dreams, failures and mistakes. That's just my two cents.
I agree. XIII's story is one of the best in FF. Too bad that some ppl complain without paying attention to characters or reading datalog. For me, the story is crystal-clear (except XIII-2 which unexplained plots will be solved in LR).
They say characters are annoying. I disagree this seriously. They are L'Cie. Not some Cloud or whatever. Time is running out. Complete or not, their focus will result in their death. They are the some of the most desperate people I've seen. Many ppl hated Hope. But I'm so surprised that some said Hope has little character development. For me, he was the most pitiful of all. He was treated like a dog, his mother was dead and cursed as a L'Cie. I like everyone in XIII saga (Except villains 😛 minus Caius).
Lowe De Leon
Someone made perfect sense.
Lowe De Leon
Well said on this one. It's more like a bandwagon to hate the 13th installment and you're almost considered banished and "stripped off" of your title as a Final Fantasy Veteran when you disagree with those who agree that 13 didn't play with "some" of the people's up scaled expectations.
But, then that's the thing, the normal Final Fantasy formula could've easily worked, the characters had no idea where to go or what they were doing. Most of the time PSICOM (thanks sepientia) didn't even know where they were.
Its fine the way they have it now, but they could've done A LOT more. Being on the run is no excuse in a Final Fantasy game. Heck we were terrorists in Final Fantasy 7, having a time limit and being on the run is no excuse.
Really though, what I actually want to argue is for them to have involved the player more, sense it's a character driven story this time around, I don't think the complaints would've been near as harsh if we had more times to optionally interact with the characters. They could've added statues or plaques we could read about the world, heck since they're so high tech have an optional news feed radio thing on lightnings wrist for a portion of the game so the player could watch or listen whenever.
I didn't like my experience with the game because it contained less than what we expect to have in Final Fantasy, I felt they could've EASILY done a lot more and they're showing they can with XIII-2 and LRXIII.
I'm not bashing, just stating what I think people actually mean when they say "Final Fantasy 13 is way too linear" or "all you have to do is press X/A and go forward". The game has a grand "scale", but that grand sense of immersion is what they're missing. I would've loved to have A LOT more chances to optionally talk with the characters myself instead of having such long stretches of land to fight in until you get to the end.
I won't tell you in detail everything I didn't like about it, because I'm not trying to bash. I'm just trying to shape the negative perspective in a more logical understanding of what people may have been complaining about.
Well, I agree with you on that.
I think the problem wasn't the linearity, but the limited options you had inside the environment; for a game of 60 hours, the game provided little variety and felt repetitive sometimes.
The linearity made sense within the context of the plot, but the lack of variety could be addressed without changing the linear design.
Anyway, FFXIII is my favorite title because the battle system, mythology, OST, art direction, characters, and story (though it could be executed a little better) are so damn good. 😀
Wassim Mokhtar
Wow. Its your opinion dude, I cant change that. But don't talk like as if you're speaking on behalf of all Final Fantasy fans. there are people who do appreciate his work, especially me. That is why Final Fantasy X will always be my favorite FF title, In front of XII, VII, VIII and IX.
Wassim Mokhtar
Hahaha Im looking for it too. All I got was this
Wassim Mokhtar
Then you do not understand the story's complexity. Try playing Kingdom Hearts starting with the 1.5 HD remaster. See if you can understand that sort of complexity. theres so many "how?" questions in this series more than you can even find any "how?" questions in FF XIII.
Sothe Zephyr
Ya i found that guy but i dont want one of JUST him 😛 I hope one is released with the cast all in it, for the final farewell
Sothe Zephyr
Okay thats it xD To photoshop, this cant go on any longer! I need a wallpaper
Darkness Dragon
Everyone else mentioned here has earned their respect, but all Naoki Yoshida has done is taken a single-crappy game and make it a less-crappy-but-still-as-crappy-as-anything game. He should be required to commit seppuku along with Tanaka before him.
Jean Paiva
Sure man, sure.
Time travel plots will always be theoretical. There's no right or wrong way for them to be pulled off. Whether they make logical sense or not is ultimately up to the gamer who experiences the story, IMO
Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3
let's hope this works.
I know you aren't bashing. I know you are addressing your disappointed. I respect that. I'm telling that to those who want to bash. 🙂
mhm… maybe, but can you explain to me how the artificial fal'cie dissapeard when Sera shouted to Hope, the fal'cie never excised in the first place if Hope never made it, but how could she then shout about it. That is one of the "real paradoxes" in the game. And multiple timelines is not a solution to that, because if Hope didn't make the fal'cie it would still exist in their timeline. That's what is used as a scapegoat in 13-2 timelines, but then they destroy their scapegoat by doing literally things that don't make logical sense. That is why it is so damn difficult to make a time travel game or movie, sure its good enough if you don't think to much about it. But things like that really ruin my experience. That is why i liked 13's story over 13-2's.
Final Fantasy X was great, it's in my top two FF games. I'm just saying Toriyama wasn't responsible for the game being good. Just look at FF X-2 which Toriyama directed solo, it turned out to be shit.
Jean Paiva
By the way, Yoshida is god.
Nathan Verbois
To each their own, but I have to heavily disagree with that sentiment. I like Final Fantasy XIV even more than XI and I was a huge fan of XI. I didn't play Version 1.0, so I can't comment on how poor that game was or wasn't, but I've played the hell out of Version 2.0, and while it may be closer to WOW than GW2 (though the F.A.T.E. system helps mitigate that some), the game is top notch all around.
Making crafting and gathering into actual classes seemed like it would be exceptionally tedious, but as it turns out, I almost enjoyed playing the Disciples of Land and Hand more than the Disciples of War (almost). The dialogue is easily the best I've seen in a very long time, often clever, racy and just downright hysterical as well as expositional. Not only do a lot of simple NPCs stand out for their memorable dialogue, but each of the races tends to have a specific way of speaking (some of it carried over from FFXI) on top of that, which for an MMO with hundreds, if not thousands of NPCs is truly remarkable. Then there's the combat, which while not as active or dynamic as GW2 (yeah, I love that game), still manages to be a lot faster than FFXI, yet still retains that classic FF tactical complexity. I've only played the Marauder, Pugilist and Thaumaturge for extended periods, but they each have their own special mechanics that manage to keep combat interesting and enjoyable for long periods. Many later enemies require dodging, stunning or otherwise mitigating their big attack skills, preventing players from facerolling their way to max levels.
I could go on and on about how fantastic FFXIV is, but rest assured there are a ton of people who feel the same as I do, so while it's unfortunate that your experience has been poor and left you with a bad taste in your mouth, I'd say a lot of us believe Yoshida has absolutely earned his place on this team.
Nathan Verbois
What normal Final Fantasy formula? The point of each numbered series is to try and be a very different game from the last numbered title to encourage experimentation, innovation and variety. In the past, technology limited how much they could differentiate each title, so the earlier games shared far more in common with each other, other than the iconic spells, characters, enemies, and general themes. With the advent of the PS2, each game has changed quite a lot from the previous one. From FFX to FFXI to FFXII, even FFX-2, each main FF title has changed dramatically. Compare this series to any other RPG series, especially the other amazing Square-Enix series, Dragon Quest and there's no question about it.
The linearity of FFXIII can be summed up with one word: accessibility. JRPGs were (are?) in decline, so in an effort to try and draw in as many new players as possible, the game was basically streamlined for the first 20-30 hours. Essentially, you're still in the tutorial mode until Chapter 10.
Was this a wise decision? It's a tough call. FFXIII broke sales records (7 million) for the series (keep in mind that FFVII, VIII and X have higher overall sales, but they took longer to reach those numbers and have been out for more than a decade). Many vocal fans, including members of the press, cried foul over the excessive linearity, lack of towns, and lack of exploration. FFXIII-2 answered many of those criticisms and is technically a better game (save the story from what I hear, I have yet to play the game beyond the demo), but it only sold through roughly half of that number, despite giving fans what they wanted.
Now, we have the third FFXIII, which is radically different again. Open world, more action-oriented, one character; you name it, it's breaking with the "established" Final Fantasy formula that people have come to expect.
This is what Square-Enix is all about with the Final Fantasy series. Is it divisive? Hell yes! Does it keep the series from becoming stale and boring? Hell yes! Does it always equal success? Perhaps not in the minds of fans, but they've all sold in the millions.
Ask any fan what their favorite FF game is and while a good portion will cite FFVII at the top (I would actually say VI or IV), just as many will have a different set. Ultimately, this is why this series IS so successful. It doesn't just cater to one type of gamer even amongst RPG fans. On PS1, FFVII, VIII and IX came out really close together, and you will find wildly different opinions on all three. I love IX the most out of those, but that doesn't mean I don't love the other two, which cannot often be said of most fans' opinions. They tend to love one or two of them and dislike the third.
Personally, I think this is why, despite some fans' recent statements that Square-Enix and FF have gone to shit, the truth couldn't be anything but the opposite. I love that they take such big risks to the point of potentially alienating certain fans. Without discomfort, there is no growth, no change.
I've gone on for way toooo long. I'm not disrespecting your opinion, I value it, I'm just trying to offer perspective.
Toriyama is responsible for the downfall of the series, and yet he's on this team to ensure its quality in the future?
They should replace him with both Nomura and Ito, who have both worked on the series longer than him, and care about the series more than him.
That's a cop-out excuse, XIII apologist.
You could argue the same for any game, normally you're being chased by something, doesn't mean you have to be in a tunnel. The game's problem wasn't that it was linear, but that it was just a tunnel. You can still have linearity and fast-paced gameplay while still retaining an intricate map design, not two walls at either end of you.
If they are being chased by the Sanctum, wouldn't it be better to AVOID the corridor, the only obvious place the Sanctum can find them? If the whole world was just that corridor, wouldn't it be wise for the Sanctum to place the whole army at one point in the corridor, 'cause it's not like they can go anywhere else.
The whole 'on-the-run' thing was a stupid idea, it didn't feel like they were being chased at all. The game had it's slack-off bits as well – remember Sazh and Vanille's story arc, where they went to a theme park (and didn't go on any of the rides) and chased baby chocobos.
Horrible mini-game.
It's ironic, because whenever someone bashes XIII and a fan gets upset he cries "you're stuck in the past, get over yourslelf!"
Now THAT got old quickly.
Too bad the characters were unbearably horrible. 🙁
Wow, certainly one of the best posts I ever read here,
don't know if I'm right, but I think the team working with the FF titles in the SNES and PS1 era never changed that much, at least not as much as in the newer titles. that could explain why FFXII and FFXIII are so different between each other.
Good change is good, bad change is bad, XIII is the latter
You consider the HoneyBee Inn segment to be a "big part" of VII?
He's been sucking money out of Square for the past 8 years.
VII had almost completely different staff from the SNES titles. Don't know about the SNES titles individually, though. All I know is that VII and VIII had the same team, IX had a different one.
Lightning is not the most liked character in Japan. Ask the same question in a couple of years and it will be Noctis.
Does anyone have a direct source for this?
How'd they find about this and what does the report say, exactly?
Wassim Mokhtar
I thought it was a great sequel, but not the kind of game which had strong emotions and story to support the game. However the combat was good. Toriyama is the kind of person to work besides the big directors within Square rather than solo, because only then you see the goodness of the content within a FF title. Im not saying hes bad but his work is better when working with or under one of the main directors of the FF title. That is why his work will be appreciated, but depending the conditions.
Jean Paiva
Sorry, but I don't feel that way. I did not fell this "two wall" stuff. That's just my opinion,
Jean Paiva
You rock in this comment, dude.
Too bad I happen to enjoy them. Except for Snow. Never liked him much.
So you're admitting he's a bad director and he can only make good games when a good director helps him?
Jean Paiva
This "downfall" thing is actually a opinion, not a fact.
It says from a report on FF-reunion.
You forget Gran Pulse, which if you opted to do the side-quests there, adds up a lot of gameplay hours, and I think for most 100%-ers, ended up being longer than the entire storyline.
And why would they go on the rides? If someone recognized them, then what?
Nathan Verbois
That's because it wasn't a mini-game. You clearly didn't like the game. Hopefully, by the fact that you're on this site, you haven't given up on the Final Fantasy series. Every fan has their favorite and their least favorite, as the changes between each game can be very divisive for some or many. Lightning Returns is fully open world, so here's hoping, despite your distaste for FFXIII, that you find something to like in that game. If not, there's always FFXV!
One other thing, just because Jean Paiva liked FFXIII (he's not the only one) and is giving his reason for why he has no issue with the linearity, doesn't make him a XIII apologist. You may have meant no disrespect, but since text only accounts for content which is only 20% of how humans communicate (the other 80 being made up of 60% body language and 20% vocal tonality), it is difficult to figure out if you intended to be insulting or not.
If you were, then congratulations, you were successful and your opinion, however valid, no longer matters as you started if off with an insult, and no one cares what jerks think. 😉 If you weren't, then just know there are other ways to start off your comment that don't potentially sound offensive. 🙂 We're all here, presumably, because we love FF or Square-Enix in general, and we enjoy discussing and debating the perceived pros and cons of our favorite/least favorite games in an amicable or at least civil manner. Cheers!
Nathan Verbois
Staff sizes were much smaller back in the 16-bit days, while the teams starting with VII grew to over 100 if I remember correctly. As development goes, key staff like the main artist (Yusuke Naora), programmer (Ken Narita), writer (Kazushiga Nojima), character designer (Tetsuya Nomura) and director (Yoshinori Kitase) carried over from VII to VIII, while having different producers (Hironobu Sakaguchi and Shinji Hashimoto, respectively). Nojima and Kitase adapted Sakaguchi's original story idea into what the final game that VII would become. Sakaguchi had little to do with VIII as he was spending most of his time on the gorgeous but disappointing Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within.
IX was developed mostly out of Hawaii to accommodate Squaresoft's international development (at that time). Sakaguchi was the main writer, and Yoshitaka Amano was once again the character designer and illustrator (the last time he would design characters, I believe). Sakaguchi and Hashimoto produced this together. It was meant to be a nostalgic send off of the the first 6 Final Fantasy games (even incorporating the plotlines from some of those games into the overarching plot of the game). Initially, the game was rumored to not be a numbered Final Fantasy, to avoid alienating all of the new fans who liked the more adult direction of VII and VIII. Thankfully, this turned out to be untrue.
Speaking of alienating fans, did you know or do you remember how upset some fans were with the more realistic characters of VIII? Many fans felt the turn to realistic characters robbed the protagonists of any real "character". That there wasn't much (visually) to differentiate one character from another on the game screen, especially the male characters like Squall, Zell, flashback protagonist Laguna…etc. Nomura's designs were awesome, but technical limitations of texturing on the PS1 did make this a somewhat valid complaint…if you were to quickly glance at the game and then away.
Fans were also put off by the magic system, and the overall lack of (high) fantasy (because throwing fireballs in a high tech setting just isn't the same ;b). In essence, some speculated that the return to high fantasy and non-realistic characters in IX was to assuage these fans, much like FFXIII-2 was meant to assuage the complaints of FFXIII.
Hey, change can be scary for some people. I love it, because each game tends to be remarkably different.
Nathan Verbois
Not to pick at you, Mark, but how do you know Nomura and Ito care more about the series than Toriyama? Has Toriyama said that he doesn't care about the series?
the lack of control and variety wasn't a good change indeed, but the linearity itself is just another way to build your game. I personally didn't loved it, but for a story-driven game, the linear map design helps to make the story more intense.
I think we have to analyze first the purpose of the game. FFXIII design is in perfect syncrony with the story. In Cocoon the map is linear to conceive the idea that you can't escape your fate and the gameplay is restricted (you cant choose all the party members or all the paradigms you want), but in the moment the party decides to face destiny, the map opens. It's exactly when we go to Pulse. They want freedom, and we get that.
Yoshida saved FF from itself
William Trengove
I've got no problem with people bashing FFXIII when it got release and they had problems with it, but when I hear people say that exact same thing 'over and over and over and over and over and over again' especially when the last 2 games have changed dramitically from the last one…That just tells me people like you can't get over yourselves, it's not like every single game moving on is going to be the same
And I wasn't joking about you guys being stuck in 1997…because ever since FFVII, you guys just can't seem to stop bitching about every game that isn't a FFVII remake.
How's that for irony
There will be a japanese special event in Oct 24. I hope new update will be released there.
Downfall? I don't think so.
Woah!!!! Nice post!
horrible? what made you to think they are horrible?
Funny that some ppl who hated the cast said Snow was the best character. 😛
That's rude for bashing other ppl's opinions.. Why do you stuck in hating XIII? Just wait for XV if you don't like Lightning Saga.
EDIT: Not tunnels or corridors, those were paths. xD
My god. He's a guy, man. Not every people can be perfect. There were several scenes are now famous, such as the bombing mission, the fall of Sector 7 and the like. He was responsible for all event scenes on Final Fantasy X.
I wonder why some people find least favorite things as complaints.
Wassim Mokhtar
…… No. Not at all. He is amazing overall whether working under someone or directing a game itself. He deserves to be in the committee because of his work. People loves his work, you and others have opposite opinions against it, however the fact you think hes not worth to be in the committee because of Final Fantasy XIII isn't convincing enough.
The game has its strong points from the story to its lore and even the combat system, but because of the linearity of the game was throughout the game, people straight away thinks theres no variety within the game at all so its not worth their money to buy the game. But Toriyama was on the right track because of the strong points that are in Final Fantasy XIII because the characters are lovable, the story is complex and makes you eager to find out more, and the combat itself gradually gets tougher as you progress through the game. Not only he deserves to be in the committee, but he also deserves some praise of all the work hes done to XIII and the work of other FF titles.
Wassim Mokhtar
I thank you for saying this, you took the words right of my mouth. I praise you.
Wassim Mokhtar
Ah but even still, he'll be working on the games though, his work never doubts
Wassim Mokhtar
Shes a hot, sexy, lone wolf-like crusader with a 'cool' attitude and 'plays' by her own rules. Whats not to like bout her?
If he cares about it, why is he doing all he can to detroy it?
Never said it was.
Gran Pulse was one big, boring open plain that slowed the story to a halt with repetitive sidequests, I try to forget it.
They were in a theme park doing f*** all, they may as well go on the rides. Better than chasing baby chocobos.
I don't think there is a FF "formula", I think fans just want a good game, something we've been lacking for years now. I agree that they should be more innovative with FF titles; I like change, but bad change is bad, and that's all we've been getting from FF lately.
One thing – XIII sold on hype and name recognition only. It's SHIPPED 7 million copies so far and sold on TWO platforms, in a day and age where the population is 20% larger than it was when previous FFs were released, and games, on average, didn't sell as much. XIII-2 shipped less than half of what XIII did, I think that's a clear indication of it's reception, if it wasn't clear already. X-2, by comparison, SOLD more than half of it's predecessor.
If he really wanted to destroy the franchise, he wouldn't be listening to fan feedback since FFXIII.
You will see how difficult to maintain a mainstream series if you are Toriyama.
They will be none to please you.
haha….that one downvoted every posts. seems like he can't accept the truth.
Yeah, so the majority of people that worked on the SNES titles have probably left Square, minus Ito, Nomura, and Kitase, etc of course. VII and VIII had the same team (now the XV team).
Thanks for the insight though.
That's your thing. Not for us. 🙂
Tired by some who were keep whining about XIII. Why do you keep living in the past? Just wait for XV. xD
If he's finding it difficult maybe he should drop the position?
It's easy to say that you're listening to the fans, while giving them exactly the opposite of what they want: another XIII game.
Most ppl pleased with them are always quiet while upset guys are louder.
What's your evidence that most people liked them?
That's better.
There will be no more FF games to please me? Is that what you're are saying? Or no more baby chocobos?
Japanese. Their own ppl. Also in my country, gamers who played XIII. Some complained but most liked it.
And also…..What's your evidence that make you think they are hated?
WOW! That's so far. LOL
And once again, you say you hate repetitiveness while while repeating the same argument XIII fans have used since 2010 – if you don't like it you're stuck in the past, namely 1997, or don't like change. Congrats.
Nice, man. You replies launched this article to the top spot. Thanks 😀
Aww, cool. I couldn't do it without the help of you guys though! 🙂
All the user scores of FFXIII in whatever site you visit is more positive than negative.
The YT videos about FFXIII have more likes than dislikes.
These two are good evidence that most people liked them.
well, even this Toriyama is adressing then, LRFFXIII is the last FFXIII you know. and yeah, just compare XIII to XIII-2 and LR and you clearly see how they listened to feedback in terms of gameplay, that means that they don't want to destroy the series.
95% of games score positive reviews, from both professional and user based. This is because professional video game scoring is hilariously poor, with most games scoring 6-9. The majority of user based reviews are obviously going to come from people who like the game, that's how these things work. That's not evidence, I'm afraid.
Oh, god, you're serious? Youtube likes? Using your logic, this video about how XIII is a bad game is the majorital opinion, because it's received more likes than dislikes:
Oh man. This guy can't be tamed. He's consuming our time. Just leave him.
What are you on about now? What about Japanese? Your personal experience with the japs have nothing to do with the majorital opinion.
"Some complained but most liked it"
Is not evidence. Try again.
You should try again to do a perfect bash.
That's probably for the best. Maybe next time you'll come up with a decent argument.
"The majority of user based reviews are obviously going to come from
people who like the game, that's how these things work. That's not
evidence, I'm afraid."
I don't think so, I already saw a lot of negative user scores out there, because people who didn't like a certain game write reviews too.
About the YT video, even if one points to negative impressions, the majority of the videos is still positive. Even LR videos are liked more than disliked. I don't know why I have to ignore the YT reception, really.
Well he's clearly not up for the role for director. The only good thing he's worked on is X, and thankfully his twisted ways were under control. Some of the dialouge he wrote for VII (which he desperatly acclaims) had to be edited out most of the time
We are consuming his time too, lol.
If he was listening to the fans he wouldn't have created XIII-2 in the first place. Only reason XIII-2 is here is because it was easy to make cash grab.
"because people who didn't like a certain game write reviews too."
But the majority of people writing the review do like the game. People who want to take the time to write a negative review about a video game are always going to be in the majority. Can you give one example of a game that recieved negative user reviews that wasn't either broken, nor universally hated?
"even if one points to negative impressions, the majority of the videos is still positive."
That's because, wait for it, the majority of people watching videos about XIII are going to be people who like XIII. The video does not state "like this video if you like the game, dislike if you don't". I've "liked" the XIII trailer because it was before release, doesn't mean I like the game.
William Trengove
Well maybe those fans repeat the same argument because it's…accurate? 😛
If the majority of people writing the review do like the game that could probably mean that there is MORE people liking the game than disliking the game too, because it could be the opposite.
For example, ME3, ACIII, DmC, CoD MW, was bombed with low user scores, that means the majority of people writing the reviews on one site disliked the game. if the user score is 80% that means the majority who writed the review liked the game, if it was the opposite, the user score would be lower than 50%.
It doesnt necessarily mean that the game had a positive user score because the people who liked the game were more willing to write reviews than those who hated.
But that's ok, I want to ask you, why do you think the majority hated FFXIII?
I disagree completely.
No, again, the fact that they are taking the time to right a review of a video game already indicates that they like it. More people would rather review a game that they like instead of dislike.
Assassins Creed III recieved a positive user review of 7.0. ME3 and DmC both, funnily enough, scrape it by 0.1. They were not "bombed" with low user scores.
You are right about Modern Warfare, though, and admittidly I'm surprised. Regardless, these reviews do not represent the majority. It's very easy for trolls to manipulate the rating. Look at DmC user reviews. It's plagued with 0's claiming it ruined the franchise for some petty reason, while people who like the game will be giving it a more reasonable score of around 5-8.
I do not think the majority hated XIII, I think it was divided. My evidence is the sales trend between XIII and XIII-2, which is probably the most viable information we could have. Going of SE directly, XIII sold 6.6 million copies, and XIII-2 SHIPPED 3.1, which means that it's probably sold around 2.6.
For comparison:
Do the math. And that's not taking into consideration the fact that XIII-2 was advertised more than X-2, and that X-2 is the most unnapealing game ever.
just because some ppl didn't buy, they rather borrowed xD
Which could be said about any other game, including XIII-2, lol
Motoru Toriyama on any team = EPIC FAIL! Where are the talents behind FFXI and VI? Those are the guys you MUST have on any team to create quality FF games.
Erren Van Duine
It's from a Japanese magazine, originally reported on by ff-reunion.net.
Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps
Well, the "talent" behind FFXI was ousted after driving FFXIV 1.0 into the ground, so…
Nathan Verbois
As much as I agree that people shouldn't dwell on the past, keep in mind, these people are fans of the same series as we are. While some of us enjoyed FFXIII, even immeasurably so, some were disgusted by it. It's bad enough to be disgusted by a game you paid money for (much worse if you paid full price), but it's demoralizing when it belongs to a series you have such fond memories over. I don't know how bad or good FFXIII-2 was, by most accounts it was a better game from a game standpoint, but a terrible story (I plan on platinum'ing it before Lightning Returns, so I won't know until then). For many, the fact that a second and now a third FFXIII game are being made is more akin to salt on an open wound than a salve.
I don't know whether you liked any of the XIII games or not, or you are just ever optimistic, but many people are not, and they come to fan forums like this to vent their frustrations over their once beloved series and not be chided for it (not that you're chiding by any means, Somber XD).
Just as they should be tolerant of people who love FFXIII, people who love FFXIII (or people who don't care either way) should be tolerant of those who hate FFXIII. That's much easier said than done, I know, especially when dealing with something that both sides of the fan pool are passionate about. At least we're all passionate about Final Fantasy, and probably Square-Enix.
Nathan Verbois
Well, you're both passionate about the Final Fantasy series in general. That can only be a good thing. Right now, that places you on opposing sides because of your feelings towards the FFXIII games.
Mark, I know you can't stand Toriyama, but maybe Lightning Returns will be better than you think. Give it a rental, before you fully make up your mind. If not, hopefully FFXV will be good.
Nathan Verbois
About half of that was from memory and the other half was insightful reading on Wikipedia. It's a good thing I looked the games up, because I thought for a moment that you were wrong, that most of the VII team went directly to IX and it was a different team for VIII, but you were correct, sir!
Did you know that Sakaguchi's original story for FFVII was supposed to take place in New York in 1999 and start from the perspective of a detective who was investigating the Shin-ra Corp. bombing, essentially tracking down Cloud, Barrett and Co. Taking Shin-ra and Final Fantasy out of that equation, that story idea sounds like another Square-Enix game from that time period, doesn't it? I guess Sakaguchi was able to utilize his story concept after all! 🙂
Nathan Verbois
Working in the game industry can give a lot of insights into this. Nomura just doesn't remotely have the time. He's already split between two of the highest profile Square-Enix games (outside of DQ). Hopefully, he has two very trustworthy people to do the day to day on each, otherwise, his life outside of development is most likely non-existent.
Yeah, but is there anything else?
I already went there and the news seemed like an afterthought (when translated to google translate).
Did someone at Square said that this would happen or was it an inside source? I'd just like some more details.
I actually meant FF XII, but somehow I missed an I. FF12, FF6, those are the people that should be taking care of the franchise.
Wassim Mokhtar
Like I said, Its your opinion buddy.
I still can't believe it. I love XI but it's impossible to defend the piece of garbage that XIV 1.0 was :/
Lol…Toriyama has earned respect?
YoshiP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toriyama.
Anyday. Anytime.
You abondoned the other three for just one person?
Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps
What you have to remember is that this is just an advisement committee. It's still going to be up to the actual directors of their own games to ensure their quality. I wouldn't worry too much about Toriyama having much editorial control over upcoming mainline games; I really think this committee is to prevent more brand-killing mistakes like Final Fantasy All The Bravest from getting released.
Well, hopefully they will just prevent Toriyama from directing any more games at all.
Haven't read a lot about All The Bravest… It might just be another attempt at making easy money by S-E. Can't blame them for that, I gotta admit.
juan david posada
Here is my problem: I really liked final fantasy xiii, but at the same time I hate it and I hate Toriyama. This is not because I think the game was bad, but because it is responsable for puting FF saga in risk. I guess i don't want him for being in this team beacause of this (sorry for spelling)
Nathan Verbois
The biggest problem with All The Bravest was the lack of any real gameplay and the almost immediate need to make in app purchases to gain more content, of which you had no real control. You randomly got characters from previous games, so you couldn't even pick your favorites. For all the hate Toriyama gets, Nomura was one of the producers on this game. Everybody has bad days and everybody makes some really bad choices now and again. Keep in mind, that while you guys hate Toriyama, quite a few people love FFXIII and therefore Toriyama.
Erren Van Duine
It was just a brief news bit from a magazine. They didn't go into further detail.
Oh yeah, I actually did care about your crying also I'm not "no one" so I care see the Joke? Anyways yeah I feel your pain bro now I believe you need a translator because I doubt they'll understand you when you start crying when you try to tell him about this big mistake they are doing. If you don't like this how about you change it, or go on Petition.org or something.
Sir Christopher McFarlane
No Nomura, please.
Actually, they're mostly listening to Japanese fans, who DO want another XIII game. Remember, Square is a Japanese company, and as such it's much more likely to listen to it's home fans
Toriyama…….. sigh
For all the hate Toriyama gets, Nomura was one of the producers on this game.
Nomura never does anything wrong ever.
Why not you haven't even played final fantasy XV yet. It might be the best FF yet it could save the franchise, possibly get us a FF7 remake.
Nathan Verbois
Hah! Of course not.
your opinion is terrible.
Russel Dark
U dont get a say BC that was ur first final fantasy thats not right we have played it since the earlier ones and if u would have played 7 or 6 or 9 or so u would b right here with us complainning knowing it lacks


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