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The Great Debate – QuickBooks Desktop vs. QuickBooks Online
There seems to be an incredible debate going on between QuickBooks Desktop vs QuickBooks Online; and it's really beginning to bug the heck out of me.
Let's start at the top, with Intuit.
If you visit the Intuit QuickBooks website at https://quickbooks.intuit.com/ what you see advertised is the QuickBooks Online version and unless scroll all the way to the bottom of that page and look under the Products column, you don't see the desktop versions of QuickBooks Pro, QuickBooks Premier, QuickBooks Enterprise Solutions, QuickBooks Accountant or even the QuickBooks for the Mac versions! Everything on that page points you to the "all-new QuickBooks" which is the QuickBooks Online product.
The same goes with Payroll, it's almost impossible to find information on QuickBooks Basic, Enhanced or Assisted Payroll; all of which work with the desktop installation of QuickBooks.
Intuit is pushing and pointing everyone to using QuickBooks Online and Online Payroll; sort of making it seem like it's the only game in town. As a result, most Certified QuickBooks ProAdvisors are also pushing their clients toward QuickBooks Online and QuickBooks Online Payroll.
Everyone wants to move to the "cloud"; get rid of their own in-house servers, the need to hire an outside IT company, be able to access their accounting data from wherever they are, with whatever device they happen to have – or, if you are a ProAdvisor or other accounting professional it means that it's so much easier to access client data.
Anytime, anywhere access is the wave of the future and everyone is in a rush to get there and if you aren't in a rush – well you are being pushed, in my opinion. And sometimes you are being pushed even though you are losing functionality by leaving the desktop version.
If you are a contractor, I highly recommend AVOIDING QuickBooks Online – especially if you want decent job costing reports, rely on the ability to create a Progress Invoice from an Estimate and want/need detailed payroll job costing. Here is a link to a comparison chart of features – https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aog8x1UB3Sn4dDZ3OVg1elRPMUVveFU4aFR0dDFRemc#gid=0 so that you can make an informed decision when someone starts to "push" you toward using QuickBooks Online and leaving your desktop version behind.
As a matter of fact Dan Wernikoff (an Intuit Senior Vice President) said on Intuit's Annual Investor Day Call in early October; that only 30% of current Desktop QuickBooks Users are suited for conversion to QBO as it stands today! So if only 30% of Intuit's entire desktop user base are a good fit for switching to QBO — WHY is everyone pushing QBO so much?
One of the big "pushes" for QuickBooks Online (QBO) is that it's "cheaper" than QuickBooks Desktop (QBDT), and it is at this point – BUT only because Intuit has increased the price of the desktop software starting with the 2015 version. Let's compare the cost of a single user QuickBooks Desktop Premier Plus and QuickBooks Online Plus. These are just the regular prices without any discounts or special offers that I am aware of.
|QuickBooks Desktop Premier Plus
|QuickBooks Online Plus
|Base Price
|$29.90 month/$358.80 year
|Add Payroll:
|Enhanced Payroll – Desktop
|$39.00 mo/$468.00 year PLUS $2.00 per employee per month
|Intuit Online Payroll
|$68.99 month/$827.88 year
|$967.95 PLUS $2.00 per employee per month
|$68.99 month/$827.88 year
QuickBooks desktop IS $140.07 more expensive IF you upgrade every year – but lets say you only upgrade to a new version of QuickBooks once every 3 years, let's look at the pricing then.
|QuickBooks Desktop Premier Plus
|QuickBooks Online Plus
|Base Price3 years payroll tax subscription
|$499.95$1404.00 Plus $2.00 per employee
|$1903.95 PLUS $2.00 per employee
Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT anti-QuickBooks Online – it has it's place and I can see where it would be a good fit for some businesses; what I am against is the fact that Intuit makes it seem like it's the only version available and that both Intuit and many of the QuickBooks accounting professionals are pushing their clients to make the move when the client then looses much of the job costing functionality that they have been used to. I think there is a need for both systems and that they should be EQUALLY promoted.
What's happened to "What's right for MY business and What's right for my clients"?
As for me, I'm a desktop gal. Why? Well it's like this. In my opinion, QuickBooks desktop is more powerful and certainly more flexible, it provides you with good/accurate job costing (IF it's set up correctly), with desktop payroll I have all my payroll data included in my job costing reports – AND – because I live in an area where the internet is not 100% reliable – I don't have to worry about my internet being down and being unable to access my accounting data.
What about you? How do you feel about QuickBooks Desktop vs QuickBooks Online?
53 Responses to The Great Debate – QuickBooks Desktop vs. QuickBooks Online
So, about 2.5 years ago I attempted to convert from Quickbooks Desktop to QBO and I hated it. After one week on QBO, I went through the process of going back on premise with Quickbooks Desktop. The functionality is simply not there…yet. Fast forward ahead to now and we are using a separate system to run pretty much out entire business. All invoices are generated from this system, inventory is tracked there (we hardly have any inventory to speak of anyway), etc…etc….so really, all I am using Quickbooks for these days is simply my P&L and Balance Sheet. I still do enter payables into Quickbooks and write checks from there but all revenue (invoices, credit memos, etc…) are generated in the primary system and simply synced with QB.
Since I am just basically needing to have my P&L and Balance Sheet, enter and pay bills, and run some basic reports….I am thinking about trying to move back to QBO again. In your opinion, is it the more complex functionality of Quickbooks Desktop that is lacking from QBO? If all you need is basic functionality, wouldn't QBO probably suffice at this point?
Thanks, in advance.
I opened my small business in January 2015. I knew i needed accounting software and despite all of the new options with good feedback, i decided to go with what had been around longer. At the time, QB was bombarding my television with commercials claiming to understand/care about small businesses. I started with Quickbooks Pro (the online only version) and found that it lacked a number of features i would need. I spoke to Quickbooks customer support and they recommended Quickbooks Premiere Plus. I was ready to purchase the desktop version of Premiere and the support agent told me i should try Premier Plus online. She told me it was a subscription service and the only real difference was the technical support and the regular software updates. I said I didn't want to pay a yearly fee, but she said "don't worry, you can just cancel the subscription at the end of the year to discontinue technical support and regular updates but continue using the desktop software." After a year of using the product and entering thousands of hours billed, expenses and invoices, I got a reminder from the company to renew for $499. I did not want to continue with the cost just for tech support. In the couple times i tried to use it, i was put on hold for hours (literally) and then sent overseas to someone who was obviously looking my questions up online and then feeding me a canned response from a manual. The regular updates were not enough to justify the cost for this small company. When i called to cancel my subscription, i was told that if i do so, i will lose all ability to use the software i had paid for. BUT, they would sell me the desktop version for $350. THE SAME SOFTWARE I HAD TRIED TO BUY AND WAS TOLD I WAS BUYING. I asked to speak to a supervisor and 4 days later I got a call informing me that their policy had changed during the year and they do not intend to honor their original promise. I am now writing to this feedback section in hopes that it reaches the ears of whoever created those commercials from a year ago or who actually still believes in customer service. I hope you find it worthwhile to honor your promises and provide me with what i had intended to purchase originally. If not, i will post this story on every message board, Twitter and Facebook. More importantly, entrepreneurs are a small community. We all bond over the hurdles faced. If you decide to not honor your word, that is your choice, but every time i sit with someone who is about to start their own company, i will tell them this story. I am extremely disappointed, but hopeful that this is not how QB does business and that you will right what has occurred.
No way I want to put my company's private financials on some cloud. With all of the data breaches going on out there……………. ? No thank you.
I am looking to compare desktop versions for a start up company so I went on QB website and couldn't find any information, only comparisons for on-line versions. I chatted with a rep. while on the site and asked about desktop versions with payroll and I was told by the rep that he could not help me full-stop. I was dumbfounded. After doing a lot more investigation, I realized the desktop versions are still available but I cannot find any website where I can do an in-depth comparison on the different versions. I am a huge QB fan, but I am now thinking about looking into other programs. Having said that, from what I have seen from searching on the web, other software companies are also pushing the on-line programs.
Imagine you are running a payroll for 5,000 employees using QB payroll..monthly cost at USD2 per employee is the most expensive exercise! Convert USD to any currency lower than USD and you end up paying a lot more!
Honestly, this is really frightening to me. My whole business is based on this software, and the (2) clients who insisted on switching to QBO, have asked me to switch them back, and it is a mess.
Seriously, it is like they are TRYING to destroy this company.
I absolutely LOVE QB desktop, and would have recommended it to anyone. I have talked probably 100's into buying it in the last (17) years, between accounting firms, and my own clients, and I am a sole proprietor. As another said, I have a very small business, and even I had some people graduate into Enterprise, and purchase it every (2) years, at a cost of 4000.00-6000.00 plus.
One of my clients is a franchisee, of a National corporation, (remaining un-named of course), and at their corporate meeting/seminar they are telling their franchisees that QB online will be the only QB available. Corporate said everyone should switch, as corporate was told all of the bugs are out of it now, and it works great. All I can tell you is that this corporation relies heavily on job costing, and most carry an inventory…are you kidding me?
I told my client the truth, as I have known them for almost (10) years. What the rest of them do is not up to me.
I had to tell them that when they do switch, I will not be able to support the account anymore, as this is going to be a real mess for them, and cleaning up the mess of moving (2) clients back, is enough for me.
Intuit, WHY are you doing this?
Why is it so impossible to give the same functionality to an online version? You are going to alienate ALL of your customers, and drive yourselves bankrupt, dragging us down with you.
I am beyond disgusted
Or, the owner could continue to use the more powerful desktop version, not have to learn a completely different software, and use something like Logmein to remotely access their data from anywhere. $99.00 per year. Pretty inexpensive alternative and it helps you retain the functionality that they're used to.
Hi Nancy, I like your article. For those just starting the evaluation, you lend a great deal of information.
Just a few thoughts, in your price comparison, you do not take into account the monthly price increases for QBO. The 5 user QBO Plus is now at $40/month. Of course the cost of QBD has also risen. We are looking at QBD Pro and 2016 is $799, compared to 2015 at $599 (last year, now lower).
As of Jan 2015, Intuit is no longer supporting 2012, and that will require my friend's company to upgrade. So I am in here trying to help them work it through.
Another big thing you did not really dig into is the ease of use from anywhere. You mention it, but for some, this is really valuable – especially Mac users. For my friend, the ability to look up her company data from home and have full functionality is highly desirable and QBO looks like it will be the right choice for them – not to mention the low cost of entry.
It seems that your business and about 70% of QBD businesses are not suited for QBO. And Enterprise is likely a 0% candidate. I just worked with an ERP company called Exact Online, and though they have good workings with QBO, they too know that more complicated business operations require QBD, at least for now.
So it seems that QBO is well suited for smaller operations without complex demands, and there are a lot of us out there.
Oh and I do agree that ease of use is hampered by the different UI in QBO. Really, why did they change the look and feel so drastically from the QBD?
Very informative discussion. My question is: How long can we keep the data on QuickBooks online? We are suppose to keep record for at least 7 years.
Please comment.
Ramesh Mody
Thank you. I have QB Pro 2011 !! I switched to QBO and HATED IT! I'm back to my old system and love it. I don't use all the accounting systems…. I'm not an accountant. I just record client visits and payments — period. I'm wanting to update to Windows 10, but have heard 2011 is not compatible. My fear is that QB 2015 would also be a nightmare.
Thanks for the great article and website. I have a day job for a construction company that uses QBO. This is my first bookkeeping job (2.5 years). Before that my only QB experience was in a class on it at the community college. I have used Quicken on my Mac for family finances for 15 years so have first hand experience with Intuit's sketchy practices that included repeatedly screwing over Mac users with dumbed down versions of the software, saying they won't support the platform anymore, then changing their mind, etc.
My home business/evening job is as a photographer. I bring this up because i have used Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop for years. They have always had simultaneous Windows and Mac versions of their software that have identical features. Now they have a subscription program that nets them monthly income but uses desktop software. If they can do that, why can't Intuit?
Regarding QBO, I am becoming more and more frustrated with it. There are so many things that it ought to be able to do, but can't. I have called Intuit tech support many times with problems only to have the poor help person finally tell me that there is no way to do what I am requesting.
I just received a text today to move my last online client back to desktop. She said, in addition to really turning out badly for her, they raised her cost 10.00 per month. I do not know more yet, as I have been too busy
This has been a real pain, and difficult to support. I do not understand why they would do this, and why is has to be so different.
Using QB with a remote login, or cloud services, serves the same purpose, and is fully functioning. I am worried they are going to ruin the QB name.
More importantly than even owning my own stuff, is having stuff that works without a bunch of add-ons. Never met a single business owner who has ever said, yes, let's find as many different software's as we can, cobble them all together, and bill me monthly for each one so it can cost me as much as possible.
Would someone PLEASE buy the desktop product from Intuit, already, and take it to the next level? What else could you possible buy that already has as many pre-existing customers? They're selling everything else, why not the Pro and Premier product, also?
Ahh, one could only hope…..
We move hundreds of clients every year from online back to the far better desktop version. As an accountant, I must say, the online is just horrific. I do payroll for my clients since i have the accountants version. I simply log in, install the payroll key run the payroll and uninstall the key. A payroll for 20 takes maybe 30 minutes at the most…and I charge 150 annually.
I have been evaluated Quickbooks online for over a year and am becoming very frustrated. The help documentation is opaque. I kept getting this "106" bank error with capital one and have been trying to resolve it for months, only to have to upload transactions with an Excel spreadsheet. My internet access does go down occasionally (I live in an area with a lot of construction) and my overall experience with the tool is barely satisfactory.
Lastly, and ironically, it is almost impossible to get a copy of a monthly invoice for payments to Intuit! So you can't even account for payments to your accounting system, of all things. What the heck is going on here?
i started a new job where I am the bookkeeper. My previous job I did the same and fixed their books that were messed up and hadn't been reconciled for 8 years. Now I want to help this new company but they have qbo. I am having a difficult time understanding it. Two questions #1 is there a book I can purchase to understand its features?
#2 can we export from qbo back to our regular desktop?
Thanks ida
I have been teaching and advising QB since version 4. The advances in the product have been astounding since then. Most of my clients are Enterprise Solutions because is the the most robust, flexible, reliable, private version which is updated each year just by paying the tech support. Until recently, I was always finding new clients with "organically grown" QuickBooks, sometimes way out of date, but never out of reach or capability.
Now I suddenly find myself meeting business owners who already have QBO. They have never seen the desktop version, and those with multiple companies take the excruciating cost of multiple subscriptions for granted.
This avalanche of focused efforts to move to the subscription model of software is appalling. But, the bright side is all the good business I get converting QBO to desktop Enterprise Solutions, saving cost of ownership and trebling the features and providing the privacy and independence most business owners value, once they know better.
That comparison chart is priceless. Thanks.
We bought the online version last year, off the shelf at Staples, on the advice of our accountants. Our subscription is now up for renewal and we have been advised that the "only" payment method is by credit card, on a monthly basis. With all the breeches of information and my experience with credit card fraud, I do not want to have my card info out there.
I called customer service and spoke to manager. No luck! Credit card payment or "the highway"! And if I want to go back to desktop version, I can't transfer my information.
Not only are they pushing the online version, they are dictating to the consumer which method of payment can be used. Corporate arrogance at its finest. We are researching other accounting software and will switch away from Quickbooks!
Hi Nancy, nice round up !! I get it. Intuit is directing a significant portion of their development resources toward QBO and the ecosystem built around that. They have publicly stated as much at various conferences.
Are they leaving the desktop users behind? For now, Intuit says no – they are still developing the desktop products and providing support to them. And they pledge to do so in months ahead.
As I have watched the desktop vs. QBO story unfold over the last few years, it looks to me like that the desktop will indeed be left behind at some point in the future. Whether that is three years or ten years from now, the writing is on the wall. But i still believe in Quickbooks desktop version hosted on cloud, which is way better than QB Online. I personally use it that way and also my clients use the same way, till now all are happy. Any ways nice article.
Great to read that I am not the only one with high frustrations towards QuickBooks Online. I do books for a few small businesses and have used QB desktop for several years. Tried QB Online, oh my goodness – what a different format and it is much slower (could be my computer) but really! Payroll is free for 2015 then in January they will charge you, no credit card payments allowed yet and I'm not sure if I want credit card information floating in the clouds. It is very difficult to find the QB desktop version, maybe I will just stick with my current version for a few more years.
So…do you think Intuit/Quickbooks has gotten so big, that they just don't care anymore? I am a Pro Adviser also, I tried to get some pricing of programs for a client. I got the run around, and it was obvious they did not know what they were talking about. That bothers me. I don't like the online version, it's simple yes, but it is too simple. It seems that the online version is getting pushed more and more. Very frustrating!
Great Article – thank you! Would love your advice.
We still use QB pro 2012 desktop – I agree with your article and we are not ready to transition to QBO, but, seeing as it is 2015, I do think it's time for an upgrade since support for 2012 has ended.
I think the biggest issue we need to be careful of is that we download a qb file (from bank) and then upload (our monthly transactions) into qb. Is this process very different for QB 2014 or 2015?
I see that the price for QB Pro desktop 2015 has spiked, so, should I look for an old copy of QB pro 2014…or pay the extra for 2015? I am wondering if maybe in another 2 years QBO may have developed enough to be a viable alternative to desktop…and then we wouldn't have paid all that extra for 2015, and wouldn't we also avoid some bugs with the 2015 software?…especially if all their focus has been on QBO?
would you recommend differently when it comes to QB Pro Mac (2012) which I use at home for a small "hobby" business?
Thanks for this article, Nancy! With major data breaches becoming almost a daily occurrence these days, we opted to stay with the desktop version instead of moving to QBO when upgrading to QBPro 2015 recently. Your write-up regarding the limited job costing functionality in QBO is much appreciated. This is such an important function for contracting businesses, so it's surprising that there's been such a strong push towards migrating so many QB customers to QBO at this stage.
Thank you Nancy, for at least confirming I am not completely out of touch with my thinking.
I cannot see them doing away with Enterprise, as I believe that makes some money for them. Not to mention, QBO is so far away from Enterprise functions, there would be a lot of upset customers.
If they had put a version out here that was more like desktop, I would eat it up.
It feels like the Windows 8 of the QuickBooks world…why?
Oh well, listening to the recordings, and taking it at face value.
Okay, I get the reason for changing to a monthly subscription, online basis. However, if the desktop version can be made to function the way it does, why not the online version?
Perhaps they are banking on new business not knowing what QB was capable of, or realizing there could be so much more.
Never sacrifice function for convenience.
I have been using QB since 1998, a Pro Advisor since 2004, and Advanced for quite awhile.
I am very concerned they seem to be completely phasing out the desktop versions.
I have no problem accessing my clients books with Logmein, Gotomypc, or a similar program.
I have been going though the online version for (2) days, and I am sorry, but this is no where near as good as the desktop. I could not put my clients in this, if I wanted to.
The fact that they are systematically stopping many of the desktop services, such as Intuit Payment Network, Sync Manager, and the remote connection, makes me wonder what the future holds.
My entire business is tied to this program, and I think it surely would have been nice for them to think of us in their decision process.
Good luck to everyone
Great article Nancy! I am too still a fan of QuickBooks desktop over online version but QuickBooks Online is the key focus for Intuit moving forward. It's quite visible; if you go to their website it is quite difficult to find information about QuickBooks desktop.
QuickBooks Online just doesn't have ease of use and flexibility that QB desktop has. I'd tried using it for my personal accounting, and believe me, it was just too painful! I've used and tried both, for myself as well as my clients, and am not comfortable with online. Intuit has a long long way to go before they convince me. Again, thanks for this excellent round up!
We were at the Quickbooks Connect conference late last year and the entire push was for QuickBooks Online (QBO) for all three audiences (developers, business owners, and accountants).
They see QBO as the road to the future, and although they admitted that the desktop products will probably continue to exist for a long time, their focus is now growing QBO. We don't blame them, Software as a Service (SaaS) models are the way of the future and unarguably a better business model for software companies.
Activebooks is right that the support for us as developers trying to integrate with the desktop product no longer exists. They are providing great support for us to integrate with QBO, so we built that first!
Wish us luck over the next few months as we build the ClockShark desktop integration. Don't worry about us, we just blew the dust off their developer documentation from 10 years ago from the QuickBooks Web Connector. Having lots of "fun" over here!
Such a great article!!! I have worked in QB Desktop going on 6 years now through my bosses business. He is a franchise so we have to get to it online……….but it is the desktop version. I love it!! So recently a family member has bought into the QB online to use for her business………….trying to help her get it set up and work in it has been a nightmare to me. So many things that I am used to using every day just are not there in the online version. It is difficult to train someone to use QBO when I can't find what I am used to seeing in QBD. I am currently trying to convince them to switch so it will be easier for them……….and me!!!
From a business standpoint, it makes sense for Intuit to come out with a version that requires a monthly fee. I think that Intuit doesn't make as much with selling the desktop version. Some of my clients are still using 2012 and maybe paid $300 for it. Intuit makes twice as much, $600, of that same client after about 2 years of QBO use. After 10 years the client has paid well over 3K to Intuit but with the desktop version only about 1K if they upgrade every 3 years.
The other concern is that QBO is web- based. Nobody is going to convince anyone anymore that the internet is truly safe. Hence, we all have firewalls, anti-virus software, and have to change our passwords every so often. I'm having trouble downloading data directly into QBO from bank websites because the banks keep updating and changing log-in codes. Understandably, their concern is safety of their clients' financial data and they have to keep changing things to stay ahead of hackers. I would be worried that QBO will get hacked sooner or later. To store all your own and/or your clients financial data online, together with thousands of other companies, through QBO might not be not the best decision if you want to sleep at night.
Thank you Nancy!! I've just started working with a construction company using MAC 2011 (did you hear me groan?). This past Monday the computer crashed…….yes a Mac can crash. They are in the process of trying to retrieve the data from the hard drive. In the process of all this I've been trying to figure out the best fit for this company. You've help me a lot to eliminate QBO from the decision process. They do make it sound like QBO has changed so much that it is for everyone. They had me fooled.
Thanks for calling attention to this strange situation.
The push to QBO is happening with developers as well. Despite the fact that (1) there are many thousands of businesses relying on QBD, and (2) QBO falls short in features and capabilities when compared to QBD, support and enhancements for the desktop technologies have evaporated in the past couple of years. I can't understand it. Why not continue to serve both (I expect hugely profitable) markets until QBO gets up to speed?
Thanks again,
AMEN! Finally, another voice of reason. What your cost-benefit analysis didn't include, and has to, is the need for 3rd party Apps when you lose the features that are needed, and included in the desktop version, but aren't in QBO. That's when it REALLY starts to get spendy and complicated. QuickBooks, for the average user/business owner is complicated enough without making it worse. Additionally, QBO is NOT as intuitive/user friendly as the desktop.


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Google has taken yet another opportunity to change its search page logo, replacing it with a Google Doodle for 24 hours. The reason to celebrate is the fact today is the first day of summer and also the summer solstice. If you are wondering what that means, the summer solstice happens when the Earth and Moon are most tilted towards the sun. Today, that happens at 5:16pm UTC.
While today's doodle isn't animated or interactive, it's still special because Google commissioned well-known Japanese artist Takashi Murakami to create it. The end result is a rather beautiful logo entitled The First Day of Summer.
Murakami started out studying Japanese-style painting which is called Nihonga, but he lost interest and became a fan of Japanese anime and manga. Since then he has developed his own distinctive style, clearly on display in the Google logo, called Superflat. Murakami describes Superflat as a coming together of Pop and otaku, with otaku being the term given to anyone who obssesses over such things as anime or manga.
While his drawings are well-known, they also transition very well into model form as can be seen below. They also fetch quite a price considering how small most of these pieces are.
If you want to see more of Murakami's work you can check out the collection on Blum & Poe's website or just do a Google image search for a wealth of colorful pictures from his collection.


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Preview: Millwall vs. Brighton
MILLWALL are sweating on the fitness of three players ahead of the visit of Brighton to The Den on Saturday.
Captain Paul Robinson, full-back Jack Smith and winger Chris Taylor will be assessed prior to tomorrow's fixture, with all three rated as 50-50 to play.
Skipper Robinson sustained an ankle injury last weekend in the defeat to Hull City, which subsequently enforced his absence in the midweek defeat to Cardiff City.
Smith has been struggling with a thigh injury since the league opener against Blackpool last month, while Taylor picked up a knock against the Bluebirds during his second-half appearance as a substitute.
Manager Kenny Jackett may opt to make changes to the side that lost to Cardiff, with forward Chris Wood pushing for his first start.
Centre-back Danny Shittu could also return as the Lions look to shore up a leaky defence that has yet to keep a clean sheet in their first seven fixtures of the season.
Striker John Marquis has been ruled out until the new year due to a groin injury sustained last week, while winger Liam Feeney continues his recovery from an ankle injury. Feeney is not expected to return to first-team affairs for six weeks.
Tamika Mkandawire looks unlikely to be involved with the first team for the foreseeable future, with Jackett indicating his desire for the midfielder to go out on loan in a bid to regain match fitness.
Brighton are set to welcome back Wales international Andrew Crofts to their matchday squad following his recovery from a hamstring injury.
However, playmaker Vincente has not fully recovered from a tendon injury and is thus ruled out of tomorrow's fixture.
Former Lions loanee Will Hoskins is sidelined with a broken foot, but midfielder David Lopez could make his first Seagulls start.


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We continue to support our customers with the same unrivalled levels of personal service and attention to detail.
Customers looking to source specific prestige vehicles, finance deals or pre-owned stock vehicles should contact our team on 08444 772880.
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Returning To Work: Top 5 Tips for Finding Childcare
Whether you spent an entire year (or two) home with a new baby, or just the bare-bones amount of time allotted for maternity leave, the transition back to work for a new mom can be extraordinarily difficult.
After my son was born in 2007, I had the great luxury of staying home with him for an entire year. During that time, I started my own "mommy blog," called Perfectly Disheveled, which led to me to a fortunate writing position with a huge parenting site. Taking that year off allowed me to home in on what I really wanted to do with my career: write about what I knew. It also allowed me to say goodbye to a career path that wasn't ever going to be kid-friendly. (Apparently, television producers don't appreciate the importance of sleep training and day-care pick up/drop off times).
-- Compare your salary to a writer's.
Despite the fact that I had found the best-case scenario, work-wise (for a site that was in fact, all things mom), I still, however, had to wrangle with the daily feat of being a full-time working mom. For me, the first priority when returning to work was making sure our child-care situation was not just in place, but was perfect.
Deciding, arranging, and feeling confident about the person or people that are essentially going to rear your child for the eight-plus hours you go to work is no small accomplishment. In fact, I believe that more than anything else, as a working parent, this is paramount in having a successful career: You need to find a caretaker that is an extension of yourself so that you can leave feeling certain that your child is safe and loved in order for you to maintain focus and move ahead at work. Period.
Childcare Musts:
1) Map out your hours and figure out the math. Start by figuring out what your hours at work will be. What time do you need to get there? And what time would be appropriate for you to leave? This will determine whether it might make most sense for you to hire a full-time nanny or use day care. In my case, I knew I wanted my son to be surrounded by children; I also knew I couldn't afford to have a nanny for nine hours a day, five days a week. Therefore, I found a neighborhood day care, and because they close at 5 p.m., determined that I would have to hire an afternoon helper/babysitter to pick up my son.
2) Cast a wide net. In order to find your very own Mary Poppins, (without having to spend money going through an agency), you're going to need to use every resource out there. I used Craigslist and had tremendous success. But you can join/sign up for sites like Yahoo's Peachhead Nanny, where potential nannies and families post their credentials and their needs, and users can respond, inquire, and make referrals. I also recommend signing up for local newsletters or websites dedicated to parenting in your city. I live and breathe Jen's List (a daily email sent out by a Los Angeles mother). Her site and daily newsletter not only has coupon codes, interesting stories, and great product reviews, but she offers a list of nanny and babysitter leads. Check with your local Mommy and Me class, church, or synagogue for information on childcare or a mom who may know of any leads.
3) Hire a teacher. Right now across the country, teachers are being laid off left and right. In my search for an afternoon helper, I received over a dozen responses from teachers looking for extra hours. I found that their hours were perfect for the "afternoon shift" that I was looking to have covered. I also loved the notion of my child being cared for by a young teacher as a) they obviously have experience and backgrounds working with children and b) they have been finger-printed and background-checked. This is crucial!
4) Give it time. Start your search and hunt for your caretaker as soon as you get the word, or even the inkling that you may be returning to work. As I said earlier, you want to be able to walk in to your job feeling 100 percent confident that your child is in the best possible hands (that aren't yours). In order for this to happen you have to make sure you give your child (and his/her new caretaker) enough time to get adjusted. I spent two weeks transitioning my son to day care -- this meant going every day with him for small periods of time until both of us seemed comfortable enough for me to leave (which I also started in short increments). Once I felt like he had made the adjustment at day care, I introduced the babysitter and had her shadow me for a couple of days until, again, I felt like we were all at a point that we could separate and she take over.
5) Give important information. No matter who is caring for your child (nanny, day care, even a family member), always make sure that you're leaving them with all pertinent information. From contact numbers and names of family members in relation to your child, to allergies, medical conditions, and local numbers and addresses of ERs, a clear list in case of emergencies is a must.
Obviously, not everyone has the luxury or time to make the transition soft and smooth; but preparing as much as you can and giving it your attention is the best place to start.
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SIN Lube Synthetic Bearing Oil
Lube so good, it should be a SIN (and it is!). The best synthetic lube for your ball bearings. Made in USA, ACER Racing's SIN lube is a 100% synthetic lightweight oil engineered to ionically bond to ball bearing surfaces and micro polishes bearing elements for a smoother, quieter, and faster bearing. Made specifically for bearing use but our customers have reported amazing results when used in numerous other applications such as a fishing reel oil, bicycle chain oil and as a general high performance lubricant. Not for use in RC differential balls. For differential balls we recommend using your kit's OEM diff ball lube. Comes in a convenient 1 ounce (28.35 gram) squeeze bottle
RPM Bearing Blaster | RPM 81170 Bearing Blaster
The perfect way to clean our ball bearings without removing our seals. Very easy to use, the RPM 81170 Bearing Blaster is the industry standard miniature ball bearing cleaning device. Use for bearings with a minimum inner diameter of 1/8" (3mm) and a maximum outer diameter of 3/4" (19mm). For larger bearings use the RPM Mega Bearing blaster by clicking HERE.
ACER SK8 8 piece Ceramic Skate Bearing Kit | 608 Bearing Kit
SMOOTHER, LIGHTER, FASTER: these are super high end top of the line skate bearings.
8 piece ACER SK8 Size 608 Ceramic Skate Bearing 8x22x7mm. Introductory price: these are the BEST skate bearings anywhere - GUARANTEED - or your money back! ABEC 7, 100% synthetic ACER Racing SIN oil lubricant, superlite bearings. If you're looking for the longest spinning 608 skate bearings you came to the right place.
With ACER Racing's National and World Champion reputation in the high performance ball bearing industry we set out to engineer the best ceramic skate bearing at any price.
First we started with our tried and tested Ceramic Nitride Pro Series silicon nitride balls (Si3N4). The same super hard balls that gave us the reputation as "the hardest balls in the industry." These balls are matched for consistent concentricity per set. They are polished using diamonds for a super smooth and shiny finish. Their durability is unmatched by any other ball or material in the industry. With a melting temperature of 2552 degrees F and the best modulus of elasticity in the world, these are the best balls period.
We use our special synthetic and American ACER Racing SIN oil lubrication in our ceramic skate bearings which has an extremely wide service temperature range of from -50 to +120 degrees Celsius with an incredible speed factor of 1 million.
We integrate our HSR inner ball bearing cage for durability and strength with superior heat resistance at high RPMs. This insures that your ceramic skate bearings will spin faster, longer.
We seal our ACER SK8 ceramic skate bearings with two no contact grey seals which will resist the elements while allowing simple removal for easy cleaning when necessary. Each seal is embossed with our trademark "ACER RACING CERAMIC" logo to insure that you are receiving the original ACER SK8 ceramic skate ball bearings.
UPDATE: World Champion speed skater Peter Doucet sets new lap time .3 seconds faster than before with ACER SK8 Ceramic Skate Bearings. This is very significant considering the laps are only 10 seconds each. Congratulations Peter! (Bearing seal removed for photo only - bearings come sealed on both sides. 8x22mm bearing)
5X10MM Ceramic Ball Bearing for Clutch Use | MR105 Ball Bearing
5x10mm CERAMIC BALL BEARING designed specifically to withstand the high stress and heat caused by clutchbells during competitive use. We have engineered a specific internal race tolerance within the ball bearing, used our special HSR cage for high speed reliability and injected the ball bearing with our SIN grease to help it stay cool under high stress. This is the same clutch ball bearing used by our pro racing team. The best clutch ball bearing hands down.
Price is per one ball bearing. Size MR105 bearingTamiya size 1050 bearing
5x10x4mm ceramic ball bearing (4mm wide)
8X16MM Ceramic Ball Bearing | 688 Bearing | 8x16x5mm Bearing
8x16mm CERAMIC BALL BEARING size 8x16x5mm or 688 size bearing. Made from our World Champion Ceramic Nitride Pro Series Bearing Material. Our 688 bearing is sealed on both sides with our special no contact grey seal to protect against the elements without friction producing seal contact with the bearing elements. Inside our 688 bearing is our unique HSR inner cage which is designed to withstand high RPM, high stress and heat without causing bearing fatigue. The HSR cage houses our diamond polished silicon nitride ceramic balls which have been proven race after race to be the fastest, lightest, smoothest and hardest balls in the industry. Lightly oiled, not greased, with our slippery and fully synthetic SIN oil to keep your bearing running fast and cool.
Price is for 1 bearing.
10X15MM Ceramic Ball Bearing | 6700 Bearing
10x15mm CERAMIC BALL BEARING size 10x15x4mm or also known as size 6700 ball bearing. Made from our World Champion Ceramic Nitride Pro Series Bearing Material. Lubed with our famous SIN lightweight synthetic oil and sealed on both sides to protect against contamination. These can be used anywhere a 10x15x4mm ball bearing is required. Traxxas racers this is a direct high performance replacement for the Traxxas 5119 bearingSize 6700 ball bearingEquivalent to Tamiya size 1510 bearing, Traxxas 5119 bearing, Team Associated 1731 bearing
Team Associated racers, this is a direct replacement for Associated 1731 which is a front one way bearing. You can use these as a performance upgrade to the AE 1731 just reuse the sleeve that comes on the factory team one way bearing. (Associated incorrectly has the 1731 bearings listed as a 3/8x5/16 bearing there is no such thing. Check out this link on RCTech for more information http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric-road/49177-team-associated-tc4-594.html).


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Find a Couple's Registry & Wedding Website
Attire and Accessories
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Invites and Paper
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Reception Ideas
Wedding Party
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The View restaurant in the Edgecliff highrise (Eden Park) has a private dining room. The food is good and it can easily accomodate your number. We went to a small wedding held there - maybe 50 attended - and it was very comfortable.


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This truly amazing product really deserves its own post and I really don't think enough people in the UK know about it.
I first heard about Scott Barnes Body Bling when reading Victoria Beckham's style book 'That extra half an inch' so I decided to give it a go and see what VB was raving about, after all if it's good enough for her ....
Needless to say I've been completely hooked ever since! This glistening golden cream is applied just as a moisturiser so is super quick and fuss free and gives a lovely warm radiant tanned appearance to the skin. Apparently this wonder stuff is what's responsible for many of the celebs 'Hollywood Glow' and I can definitely see why! It even makes skin appear more supple and toned (something I find even more important now post baby) and if you're very clever you can use the cream to sculpt and contour certain areas of the body.
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Having worked in the beauty industry for 10 years, I have become very selective with what products tempt me to part with my pennies and these are my absolute must haves!
St Tropez Dark Mousse
Although naturally fair myself, I find this formula gives a lovely golden looking colour after just one application (unlike the original formula which takes several coats to build up to a noticeable colour.) Waste no time in topping up for winter; you can buy it here.
Benefit's They're Real MascaraHaving flirted briefly with mascaras from all of the cosmetic houses, I am now head over heels for this one. If you haven't already given it a go I thoroughly recommend you do!
The amazing brush of this formula means you can really grab even the tiniest of lashes and build them up to dramatic lengths!
Shavata Double-Ended Eyebrow Pencil (teamed with their Arch Enhancer)Everyone knows its all about the brow right now! This is the perfect combo, You can be as subtle or daring as you like with this pencil and the arch enhancer does just that!!
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Mac dazzle glass lip gloss in Stepping out.. 2"Lip colour that dazzles with light and shine to bring an exciting dimensional pop to your lips"
By night... Sexy mother f***er!!
Mac Viva Glam 1The most divine red lipstick .. Were talking pouts of Marilyn Monroe-esque proportions!!
Jessica's Gorgeous Garterbelt and Intrigue Nail Polishes
|Not quite red, pink or purple but just as its name suggests gorgeous! Purchase here
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Seche Vite Top CoatAll hype about this little wonder product is much deserved! This super fast drying top coat also means polish lasts unscathed for days.
And when it comes to removing the days war paint it HAS to be ...
Md Formulations Facial Cleanser
No fancy packaging, no rose smelling aroma just does what it says on the box and does it exceptionally well!You can buy it here.