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Our industry event planner gives you the heads-up on what key industry events are coming around the corner. If we've missed something, don't hesitate to add your event to the list. (You can also view the full calendar here.)
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May 14 (San Francisco): InsideView's Insider Summit San Francisco 2014
This year's summit is jam packed with great speakers, thought leadership and exciting events. You won't want to miss the Insider Summit!
May 14 (Buenos Aires): Avaya Evolutions Buenos Aires 2014
Discover how other businesses have already improved the speed of doing business through next generation business communication solutions and hear about their Avaya experience during the Case study session from actual customers at our upcoming Avaya Evolutions Conference.
May 14 (New York): Liferay Roadshow - NYC
Join Rivet Logic and Liferay for a special lunch seminar and learn about the new Liferay Portal 6.2, and how it can be used to address a variety of business challenges – in particular, creating complete digital experiences across multiple channels for optimal user engagement.
May 14 (Houston): The IT Summit Houston 2014
The IT Summit is the executive technology conference series returning to Houston for our second annual event on May 14th, 2014. The purpose of the summit is to provide educational and networking resources for the IT leaders throughout the region.
May 14 - 15 (London): Big Data Innovation Summit London 2014
20+ Industry Speakers & 200+ delegates, Big Data Innovation is the largest gathering of data & analytics experts leading Big Data initiatives.
The Big Data Innovation Summit will cover the most important topics relevant to your business today.
May 14 - 15 (Chicago): Service Design Forum Chicago 2014
The Service Design Forum for technology leaders is a unique opportunity to share experiences with organizations that recognize an effective portfolio of Services & APIs is the key to leapfrogging competitors in the Digital Economy. New technology is powering a wave of innovation that smart organizations are harnessing to attract customers, create new revenue streams and crucially move to market faster than ever before.
May 14 - 16 (Toronto): ClickZ Live Toronto 2014
At ClickZ Live Toronto you'll learn to engage customers and increase ROI by distributing your online marketing efforts across paid, owned & earned media. Join the leaders of today's digital marketing & advertising industry.
May 14 - 16 (Nice): CRM 2014 Nice
The premier event for SAP® sales, marketing, e-commerce, service, and interaction center management.
May 15 (Amsterdam): MarkLogic World 2014 Amsterdam
The 2014 MarkLogic World Tour kicks off its European stops at the Amsterdam Arena – home to the Ajax football team. Join us for this 1-day conference, focused on Elasticity, Semantics & Tiered Storage.
May 15 (White Plains): Westchester Digital Summit White Plains 2014
We're gathering the top minds in digital and social media and making them available to you. We've built a premier day of learning, collaboration and empowerment to stimulate and electrify you, bringing a new digital edge to your business, company or brand.
May 15 (New York): SplunkLive New York 2014
Please join us at SplunkLive! New York - and learn how more than 7,000 enterprises, government agencies, universities and service providers in over 90 countries use Splunk® software to deepen business and customer understanding, mitigate cybersecurity risk, prevent fraud, improve service performance and reduce cost.
May 15 - 16 (Washington): Cloud Computing East 2014
This year's CCE:2014 will focus on these two major sectors whose use of cloud-based technologies is revolutionizing business processes, increasing efficiency ,and streamlining costs. Our speaking faculty will be made up of over 50 thought-leaders who will bring broad industry knowledge, technological savvy, and strategic insight.
May 15 - 16 (New York): Laracon New York 2014
Laracon is a conference centered around the Laravel framework. Join us on May 15th in New York!
May 15 - 16 (Los Angeles): Digital Asset Symposium 2014
From its inception in 2007, Digital Asset Symposium (DAS) has brought together speakers and case studies providing a unique opportunity to compare approaches from a wide variety of institutions dealing with the same digital challenges. Bringing together content creators, technologists, and caretakers to address the full lifecycle of a media asset" from production to rights management.
May 15 - 16 (London): iOScon London 2014
Are you an iOS developer or designer who wants to keep ahead of the curve and hear from some of the best minds in the field? Interested in meeting other developers and exploring new techniques and technologies? Keen to collaborate and create something new from scratch at a one-off iOS hacking weekend? Then join us at the first ever iOScon!
May 16 (Vienna): UXCamp Vienna 2014
This years UXCamp Vienna will take place on 16th of May, 2014 at FH Technikum Wien. The UXCamp will be held as a barcamp. The event is participatory and all the content is provided by participants in "sessions". A session may be held as a workshop, a talk or a discussion.
May 16 - 17 (Santa Clara): TiECon Santa Clara 2014
TiEcon 2014, marking the 21st consecutive TiEcon, is one of the largest & longest ongoing conference focused around entrepreneurship and tech innovation. Ranked alongside Demo, TED and World Economic Forum among top 10 conferences worldwide for ideas and entrepreneurship by Worth magazine, TiEcon last year attracted 3600 technology professionals from over 50 countries. Over a two-day period, TiEcon 2014 will once again focus on the hottest areas of innovation.
May 16 - 17 (Ankara): Android Developer Days Ankara 2014
Android Developer Days is an open conference becoming an international organization every passing years and including developments of mobile, web, server and software technologies and sharing of future foresights about the area. Participation is totally open and free to all companies and participants to reach high diverseness.
May 18 - 20 (New York): IRCE Focus: Brands & B2B Conference New York 2014
Brands are selling direct to consumers (B2C) and looking to leverage digital to sell wholesale (B2B). Noteworthy speakers come together to share their expertise and insights into what's happening in the world of B2B and B2C e-commerce. This knowledgeable group will discuss strategies for brands, manufacturers, wholesalers and more to effectively manage your direct-to-consumer relationships, channel complexity and digital marketing for your brands.
May 19 (Online): (Webinar) Dries Buytaert Debunks Enterprise Drupal Myths
In this webinar with Dries, you'll learn why Drupal is an Enterprise Ready Web Content Management System, common Misconceptions About Drupal and Open Source (including concerns with security, scalability, flexibility), why Drupal Wins Against Proprietary Vendors like Adobe and Sitecore and Real World Facts from Case Studies of Drupal in Large Enterprises
May 19 - 20 (Manchester): Executive Customer Contact Exchange Manchester 2014
At the Exchange, the world's leading minds in customer contact strategy, leading analysts and a selection of the most innovative solution providers gather to exchange knowledge and discuss best practice on aligning business strategy with delivering an unforgettable customer experience strategy across a number of platforms. Allowing you the potential to transform your customer service strategy and gain a crucial advantage in your marketplace.
May 19 - 20 (McLean): ModevUX McLean 2014
ModevUX — happening May 19-20, 2014 in McLean, VA — puts you face to face with the world's foremost UX and Design experts to teach you not only the latest UX trends and technologies, but also how to master designing for context, Lean UX principles, and much more.
May 19 - 21 (Orlando): Gartner Customer 360 Summit Orlando 2014
Our 2014 agenda delivers insight that is current and top of mind to today's customer-empowered marketplace. In 2.5 intensive days of analyst presentations, workshops and peer interaction, business and IT leaders will get a complete view of the customer across the organization and across every touchpoint in every medium. Understanding what customers want, need and expect -- and having the right people, processes, cultures and technologies in place to respond in real time -- will be critical to every organization's success.
May 19 - 22 (San Francisco): HTML5 DevConf San Francisco 2014
The HTML5 Developer Conference has become the largest JavaScript and HTML5 developers conference in the world. With a number of varying and expanding approaches, tools, best practices, and advice to be had, there's a lot of new information to wrap your head around.
May 19 - 23 (Las Vegas): IBM Edge2014 Las Vegas
Edge2014 will bring together more than 5500 technology leaders and practitioners from all industries to sharpen their expertise, discover the latest technologies, and share best practices in infrastructure innovation.
May 20 (London): MarkLogic World 2014 London
Join us on 20 May at the Emirates Stadium for our final European stop on the 2014 MarkLogic World Tour. Join us for this 1-day conference, focused on Elasticity, Semantics & Tiered Storage centered around both those new to MarkLogic and those familiar and looking to learn more.
May 20 - 21 (Atlanta): Digital Summit Atlanta 2014
Digital Summit is a premiere digital strategies forum in the US. The goal of Digital Summit is to educate and promote forward thinking and thought leadership on topics related to internet business and marketing in a forum for leading digital professionals to come together for additional networking and professional development.
May 20 - 21 (Chicago): GOTO Chicago 2014
GOTO Chicago starts with 2 Conference days with over 30 of the best speakers in the field and is followed by 2 Training Workshop Days led by leading practitioners and authors on various subjects.
May 20 - 22 (Phoenix): Gartner Supply Chain Executive Conference Phoenix 2014
At Gartner Supply Chain Executive Conference 2014, you'll get the leadership strategies, tools and information you need to embrace innovation and help drive enterprise growth.
May 20 - 22 (Amsterdam): Collective 2014 Amsterdam
Join us in Amsterdam from May 20-22, 2014. We're currently hard at work pulling together the all-star lineup of presenters for Collective 2014. Check back soon as we'll update this site with more information as it becomes available. In the meantime, we've provided last years' agenda to give you a taste of the type of greatness that comes with Collective.
May 20 - 22 (Nashville): GrowCo Nashville 2014
Join like-minded entrepreneurs, business leaders, bestselling authors and headliners straight out of the pages of Inc., for three days of ideas, inspiration and insights, networking and learning, and proven strategies to help your company grow and thrive.
May 20 - 22 (San Francisco): LiNC San Francisco 2014
For three incredible days and nights of industry thought-leaders, digital pioneers and social business experts will come together in one place to network, learn and define the future social customer experience. LiNC 2014 is the one industry conference that you can't afford to miss.
May 21 - 22 (Broomfield): Gluecon 2014 Broomfield
Cloud, DevOps, Mobile, APIs, Big Data — all of the converging, important trends in technology today share one thing in common: developers. Developers are the vanguard. Developers are building in the cloud, building mobile applications, utilizing and building APIs, and working with big data. At the end of the day, developers are the core.
May 21 - 22 (San Francisco): O'Reilly Solid San Francisco 2014
The O'Reilly Solid Conference is where engineers, software programmers, researchers, product managers, roboticists, designers, venture capitalists, innovators, and business leaders will gather to explore how the worlds of programming and engineering are colliding — and what opportunities this perfect storm of intelligent things will bring.
May 21 - 23 (New York): Web Optimization Summit New York 2014
If you aren't testing your marketing campaigns and channels, then you could potentially be losing millions of dollars. Learn how you can reclaim the money your site is leaking at Web Optimization Summit 2014.
May 21 - 23 (Orlando): SiriusDecisions Summit Orlando 2014
SiriusDecisions' annual Summit is a unique three-day conference where SiriusDecisions analysts and top sales and marketing leaders from Fortune 500 companies and major SMBs share how b-to-b organizations are solving critical issues that hinder predictable growth. Each year, the theme focuses on aspects of how sales and marketing can, and should, intersect.
May 22 (Online): CMSWire Tweet Jam: The Search for ROI in Social Business #SocBizChat
Join us on Thursday, May 22 at 10 am PDT / 1 pm EDT / 1700 GMT for our monthly Tweet Jam. We welcome the broader CMSWire community to participate as we spend an hour discussing the ongoing search for ROI in social business. Are companies meeting with success? How do we define success?
May 22 (Bogota): Avaya Evolutions Bogota 2014
Discover how other businesses have already improved the speed of doing business through next generation business communication solutions and hear about their Avaya experience during the Case study session from actual customers at our upcoming Avaya Evolutions Conference.
May 22 (San Francisco): HTML5 DevConf San Francisco 2014
The HTML5 Developer Conference has become the largest JavaScript and HTML5 developers conference in the world. With a number of varying and expanding approaches, tools, best practices, and advice to be had, there's a lot of new information to wrap your head around.
May 22 - 23 (Beijing): 2nd B2B DemandGen Summit Beijing 2014
As the leading B2B Marketing Communication service provider in Asia Pacific, Global ConsignIndex will present the B2B Marketing Series in Beijing -2nd B2B DemandGen Summit 2014, bringing more than 20 Keynote Speakers and 70 senior marketers from MNCs together. No matter it is in traditional marketing or new marketing field, we are facing the same challenge: buyer's behavior is changing.
May 26 (Calgary): OpenText Innovation Tour - Calgary 2014
We started something at Enterprise World 2013. A conversation about innovation and the future of information in the enterprise. The future of strategic CIOs. OpenText Innovation Days is a continuation of this discussion and brings the Enterprise World experience -- complete with exclusive networking opportunities, exhibits, solution-specific tracks, and access to OpenText experts -- to you, our valued customers and partners in North America.
May 27 - 30 (Boston): AnDevCon Boston 2014
AnDevCon is the leading technical conference dedicated to developing and deploying applications for Android smartphones, tablets and other devices. More than 1,200 software developers and IT managers attend. Use code PARTNER for a $100 conference discount.
May 28 - 29 (Bangalore): 2nd Annual "Global High on Cloud Summit" Bangalore 2014
Anyone who follows technology trends has undoubtedly heard the term "cloud service" thrown around a few gazillion times over the past few years. Cloud Computing has emerged as a big surprise when people were struggling to get rid of the troubles involved with traditional web hosting and computing solutions for their business ventures.
May 28 - 29 (Chicago): Cause Marketing Forum 2014 Chicago
Whether you are a cause marketing beginner or veteran, work for a business or a nonprofit, we've developed special programming to help you leave Chicago with insights that will help you advance in 2014 and beyond. Separate fees apply for each of these high-touch, small group sessions.
May 28 - 30 (London): UX London 2014
We're dedicated to bringing you the best conference experience possible. We bring engaging industry leaders from around the world, a format which combines inspirational talks with lively, hands-on workshops, and a flexible ticket structure that lets you immerse yourself in the whole event, or just the days most relevant to you. Not to mention that the venue — and even the food! — are an experience in themselves. This is a UX conference with a difference.
May 28 - 30 (Chicago): BMA14 Chicago
BMA14 will address more topics and feature more speakers and presenters than any previous BMA conference. You will hear from well-known authorities as well as many new and younger up-and-comers.
May 31 - June 1 (Sofia): Bulgaria Web Summit 2014
Bulgaria Web Summit is the new name of the conference, which started back in 2004 under the name WebTech and then was renamed to P2P Conference. We started WebTech in 2004. The aim was to provide a forum, where people, interested in web programming, development, Internet entrepreneurship and so on, could meet and exchange ideas.
May 31 - June 1 (West Yorkshire): DrupalCamp Yorkshire 2014
Drupal heroes, designers, developers, digital managers, and product owners get together for some amazing sessions focusing on Drupal8, Drupal Usability, and some talks specifically for people new to Drupal.
June Events
June 1 - 3 (Santa Clara): WITI Summit Santa Clara 2014
The Women In Technology International (WITI) Summit, June 1-3, is the annual gathering of tech-savvy women, held in the heart of Silicon Valley. Executive women, entrepreneurs, and technology thought leaders from around the world converge to collaborate on innovative solutions to common business challenges; explore new business opportunities that underscore how technology is powering change; and build and expand strong connections in a welcoming networking environment of women committed to helping each other succeed.
June 1 - 5 (Orlando): IBM Innovate Orlando 2014
The Innovate curriculum is aligned to three streams encompassing 33 tracks, more than 400 sessions, and over 200 client speakers. With the new Session Preview tool, you can explore these sessions and start building your schedule before you even get to Orlando. This tool allows you to search by keyword, speaker, topic and more. Sessions are still being added, so check back often for new additions.
June 1 - 6 (Las Vegas): Better Software Development Conference West 2014
Register for Better Software Conference West and receive full access to the Agile Development Conference West as well! You will enjoy double the value with more content and subjects to choose from and the freedom to attend both conferences at your convenience. Attend your choice of more than 100 networking opportunities including 35 Tutorials, 4 Keynotes, the Expo, 24 Better Software Conference sessions, 24 Agile Development Conference sessions, and much more.
June 1 - 6 (Las Vegas): Agile Development Conference West 2014
Discover the latest in agile methods, technologies, tools, and leadership principles from thought leaders who deliver inspiring keynotes, in-depth tutorials, and a wide range of conference sessions. Join industry experts and peers within the agile community for a week jam-packed with 100+ learning and networking opportunities.
June 2 - 4 (National Harbour): Gartner PPM & IT Governance Summit National Harbor 2014
The Gartner PPM & IT Governance Summit 2014 is the premier gathering of program and portfolio management executives focused on improving how organizations select, implement and manage IT initiatives and services. You'll gain new methods of prioritization, resource optimization and governance to address competing strategic goals -- even in a volatile economy.
June 2 - 5 (San Diego): Sustainable Brands '14 San Diego
The brand leaders of the future will be sustainable brands that successfully deliver net positive value to society. Doing less bad is not enough in tomorrow's economy. It's time to re-imagine and redesign our brands, business and society for a healthy, regenerative future. Design your path to success at Sustainable Brands '14 San Diego.
June 2 - 6 (Austin): DrupalCon Austin 2014
This event, held annually in Europe and North America brings together thousands of people from across the globe to drain a city of all its coffee and fill a venue with energy, companionship and code unmatched by any other tech community.
June 2 - 6 (Oslo): NDC Oslo 2014
The seventh NDC Oslo is set to 2-6 June 2014, with 2 days of Pre-Conference Workshops at the Radisson Plaza followed by 3 days Conference at Oslo Spektrum. The discounted Early Bird ticket offer is valid through 15th of March.
June 3 - 4 (New York): Integrated Marketing Week New York 2014
Now in its second year, IMW is where 1500 of the most senior marketing leaders meet to share their integrated marketing successes, road test the new tech, meet the top vendors and make decisions about the tools and partnerships that can help them deliver across all channels.
June 3 - 5 (Dallas): Summer Brand Camp Dallas 2014
Focused on the intersection of consumer and employee brands in the digital age, Summer Brand Camp brings together service sector leaders from Marketing, Human Resources, and of course Operations.
June 4 (Online): (Webinar) Boosting Social Business Impact with the Collaboration Pyramid Model
During this one hour webinar, respected Social Business speaker, author and consultant, Oscar Berg, will walk through his Collaboration Pyramid model and explore practical elements of organizational change that can either block or enable the cultural shifts associated with real social business operations.
June 4 (San Francisco): Simple+Smart WCM: Building Digital Experiences Roadshow San Francisco
Create and optimize personalized digital experiences to build deeper customer relationships.
June 4 - 5 (National Harbour): Gartner Enterprise Architecture Summit National Harbor 2014
Keynotes, track sessions, end-user case studies, tutorials, interactive workshops, round tables and so much more: the two day agenda is packed with insights and world-class research to ensure your EA program delivers tangible business value. The tracks are geared toward attendees at multiple maturity levels: beginner, intermediate, and advanced.
June 4 - 5 (Sydney): Kentico Connection Sydney 2014
Kentico Connection is a 2-day event split into 3 amazing tracks. Those attending the full conference are free to jump between tracks. But believe me, you'll wish you could be in 2 places at once.
June 4 - 6 (Chicago): CRMC Chicago 2014
Over its 20 year history, CRMC has become the premier event for Retail Marketing & CRM Executives. The 2014 agenda is packed with case studies from top executives at leading retail firms including Barnes & Noble, Do it Best Corp., Godiva, Hallmark, Hertz, Luxottica, NY & Co., Office Depot, Sport Chalet and more. A diverse group of experts will also cover digital marketing, mobile and social media, customer behavior, the economy, and other topics of importance to retail CRMC practitioners.
June 5 (New York): Data 2.0 Summit 2014 New York
This June 5, the fourth annual Data 2.0 Summit will host 200 top influencers in the new data economy. Converging on New York City for 2014, this year's Data 2.0 Summit focuses on the acceleration of Big Data, Data Science, and Data-as-a-Service technologies and how they improve "Customer Intelligence" for customer acquisition and analytics purposes.
June 5 (Tysons Corner): The 2014 Cyber Security Summit - Virginia
The Cyber Security Summit, an exclusive conference series sponsored by The Wall Street Journal, has announced their 2014 dates to include DC Metro & New York City. The event will connect C-Level & Senior Executives responsible for protecting their companies' critical infrastructures with cutting-edge technology providers and renowned information security experts.
June 5 - 6 (Washington): Vocus Marketing & PR Conference Washington 2014
Each year, executives put more pressure on marketers to deliver results. That's why marketers should Demand Success 2014. Get the intelligence you need to make your marketing programs generate more leads and build a stronger brand.
June 9 - 11 (Orlando): Gartner IT Infrastructure & Operations Management Summit Orlando 2014
Offering comprehensive coverage of today's enterprise Infrastructure & Operations issues, trends and topics, the agenda features a variety of engaging session formats that encourage fresh strategic approaches, pragmatic tactical thinking and collaborative problem-solving.
June 10 (New York): Simple+Smart WCM: Building Digital Experiences Roadshow New York
Create and optimize personalized digital experiences to build deeper customer relationships. Meet industry leaders in content management and digital experience solutions from Alfresco Software, Crafter Software, and Rivet Logic. Space is limited. Register today!
June 10 - 11 (Mountain View): The Shift Summit 2014
On June 10-11, 2014, the SHIFT Summit will take a select group of leaders through an immersive and collaborative experience to update their thinking for a digital age. Participants must commit to attend the entire event from start to finish.
June 10 - 11 (Boston): Useful Business Analytics Summit Boston 2014
The Useful Business Analytics Summit is a platform for corporate peers to meet and determine how analytics can improve business decision making. The focus will be on how to identify and analyze useful data, to get useful insights which can drive useful business decisions. Presenters will exclusively be corporate practitioners – professionals who are dedicating their careers to promoting and facilitating data driven decisions in their organizations.
June 10 - 12 (New York): Cloud Expo New York 2014
As at every Cloud Expo, we are offering in New York a vast selection of technical and strategic breakout sessions, General Sessions, Industry Keynotes, our signature discussion "Power Panels" and a bustling Expo floor complete with two busy Demo Theaters so that as a delegate you can kick the tires of solutions and offerings, and discuss one-on-one with all the leading Cloud and Big Data players what they are offering and how to make use of it in your particular situation.
June 10 - 12 (San Francisco): UX Strategies Summit San Francisco 2014
The UX Strategies Summit will be holding it's first installment in San Francisco this summer, June 10-12, 2014. The UX Strategies Summit will gather UX strategists, practitioners, product managers and designers for three days of interactive, education and case study based presentations on how to create a successful UX strategy, design compelling experiences, and how these can help organizations reach their business goals.
June 10 - 12 (San Francisco): SDL Innovate San Francisco 2014
The future of customer experience is about delivering something customers want, but didn't even realize they needed - at exactly the right time and in exactly the right way. At SDL Innovate 2014, you'll learn from customer experience leaders and visionaries who are driving innovation and delivering seamless, data-driven global experiences at each point of the buying journey.
June 11 (Online): (Webinar) Maximizing Engagement with Digital Assets
Join this event to learn strategies for developing a single source of truth for more consistent customer experiences, what to consider when creating a DAM strategy and how Felco created the right environment to effectively manage all of their assets across international channels.
June 11 - 14 (Charleston): GIANT Conference Charleston 2014
GIANT Conference is an event that brings together world-class speakers and talented professionals to talk about creating rad experiences and how to make those experiences even radder. It's coming to Charleston, South Carolina June 11-14, 2014 for four days of sessions about user experience, visual design, information architecture, branding, music, e-commerce, retail and more.
June 12 (Atlanta): Salesforce1 World Tour Atlanta 2014
Come experience the all new Salesforce1 Customer Platform in Atlanta on Thursday, June 12. See how you can connect your apps, devices, and customer data, all with one powerful Customer Platform designed for the new hyper-connected world of customers. Learn firsthand from leading customers how to sell, service, and market like never before. Register today for this day of innovation and learning.
June 12 (East Hyattsville): Accumulo Summit 2014
Accumulo Summit 2014 is the first annual edition of the premier event for the Apache Accumulo community. This event will bring together key industry leaders for a day of interactive discourse. This event aims to foster and strengthen existing relationships within the Accumulo family and spark new partnerships.
June 12 (Chicago): Simple+Smart WCM: Building Digital Experiences Roadshow Chicago
Create and optimize personalized digital experiences to build deeper customer relationships. Meet industry leaders in content management and digital experience solutions from Alfresco Software, Crafter Software, and Rivet Logic. Space is limited. Register today!
June 12 - 13 (London): Forrester's Forum For Technology Management Leaders EMEA: Unleash Your Digital Business
More than 75% of the companies currently on the Fortune Global 500 joined the list within the past decade. That's double the turnover we saw just two decades ago. Why the shakeup? Tech-savvy customers and digital-native startups have changed the competitive landscape.
June 13 - 16 (Tallinn): Elite Camp Estonia 2014
Elite Camp is a 3-day digital marketing event, designed to make you money. Learn how the best in the industry are boosting online profits for companies they work with. We bring you 100% practical, actionable content, delivered by highly-sought after experts, and infused with hardcore networking.
June 16 - 17 (New York): The Corporate Social Media Summit New York 2014
The Corporate Social Media Summit is your one-stop-shop for all the latest social media insight and best practice. It gives you a 360 degree look into building, operationalizing and initiating a successful social media strategy at your company.
June 16 - 19 (Chicago): Predictive Analytics World Chicago 2014
Predictive Analytics World focuses on concrete examples of deployed predictive analytics. Hear from the horse's mouth precisely how Fortune 500 analytics competitors and other top practitioners deploy predictive modeling, and what kind of business impact it delivers.
June 16 - 19 (Chicago): eMetrics Summit Chicago 2014
eMetrics Summit is "Big Data for Marketing!" From early adopters leading the effort to those still in discovery mode, this is the only comprehensive event dedicated to digital analytics and marketing optimization. As the leading conference covering the impact of data & technology on marketing, eMetrics Summit focuses on driving business results through data analysis and technology adoption.
June 17 - 18 (London): Enterprise Apps World - Bringing Apps into the Enterprise 2014
Enterprise Apps World will be a two day show that will look at all the implication of going mobile in the workplace, and how enterprise apps can help. With BYOD an increasing challenge in terms of privacy, security and manageability BYOD is set to be a big theme of the show as CIOs struggle with the challenges that a move from a previously strongly controlled, locked down IT environment to one where they often have limited, if any, control or knowledge of.
June 17 - 18 (Stanford): ETIA Conference 2014 Stanford
Join us for a 2-day event on the beautiful Stanford University campus where technology and creative experts explore the differences and commonalities between traditional media and media over the web, appreciating key attributes and predicting technical trends.
June 17 - 18 (Chicago): Predictive Analytics World Manufacturing Chicago 2014
Predictive Analytics World Manufacturing 1st Annual Conference, is being held June 17-18, 2014 in Chicago in conjunction with Predictive Analytics World Chicago 2014.
June 18 (Dallas): Salesforce1 World Tour Dallas 2014
Come experience the all new Salesforce1 Customer Platform in Dallas on Wednesday, June 18. See how you can connect your apps, devices, and customer data, all with one powerful Customer Platform designed for the new hyper-connected world of customers. Learn firsthand from leading customers how to sell, service, and market like never before. Register today for this day of innovation and learning.
June 18 (London): Internal Communications Conference - Real Impact, Real Results
Driving Engagement, Unlocking Collaboration & Exploiting New Technologies With Innovative Internal Channel Strategies To Get Your Message Out There. Internal Communications With Real Strategic Influence & Demonstrable Business Impact
June 18 - 20 (New York): SharePoint Fest - NYC 2014
Attend SharePoint Fest - NYC, where you'll be able to attend technical classes and seminars covering Enterprise Content Management, Social SharePoint, Business Value, Search, Workflow, Infrastructure/Administration, Business Intelligence, & SharePoint Development. Choose one complete learning track or mix & match based on what content best meets you and your organization's current needs!
June 19 (Online): CMSWire Tweet Jam: Marketing Automation and the Digital Experience #CXMChat
Mark your calendars - CMSWire's June Tweet Jam is sure to be a must attend event! This time around we'll be talking marketing automation and the digital experience — what is the roadmap for marketing automation and how will businesses reach and interact with customers in the future? Find out on the 19th!
June 19 - 20 (Lyon): RuLu Ruby Conference 2014
Ruby Lugdunum 2014 (aka RuLu) is a two-day conference dedicated to the Ruby Programming Language. It will take place in Lyon, France 19-20th of June.
June 23 - 25 (San Francisco): Cloud DevCon San Francisco 2014
If you are building applications or architecting systems using Amazon Web Services then attend Cloud DevCon to get practical AWS training and take your AWS development to a higher level!
June 23 - 26 (Washington): Gartner Security & Risk Management Summit Washington 2014
Gartner Security & Risk Management Summit is the premier gathering for senior IT and business executives across security and risk management, including privacy, compliance, BCM, IT disaster recovery and business resiliency.
June 23 - 28 (Miami): DIGIMARCON 2014
DIGIMARCON 2014 Conference showcases the most audacious and thought provoking speakers in the digital marketing industry, providing attendees with emerging strategies, the latest innovative technologies, best practices, and insights from successful digital marketing campaigns.
June 24 - 26 (Basel): Magnolia Conference Switzerland 2014
Magnolia Conference is the place to meet all Magnolia CMS users, developers and digital content experts. Join us to learn, share and develop with Magnolia CMS. Magnolia Conference is open to a wide variety of developers, users and partners from all levels of Magnolia CMS implementation ability..
June 25 (Toronto): Salesforce1 World Tour Toronto 2014
Welcome to the Internet of Customers. Come experience the all new Salesforce1 Customer Platform in Toronto on Wednesday, June 25. See how you can connect your apps, devices, and customer data, all with one powerful Customer Platform designed for the new hyper-connected world of customers. Learn firsthand from leading customers how to sell, service, and market like never before. Register today for this day of innovation and learning.
June 25 - 26 (Sydney): eMetrics Summit Sydney 2014
Now in it's fourth year, join us at eMetrics Summit in conjunction with the IAPA National Conference Sydney on June 25th & 26th, 2013 to learn about the techniques and tools to streamline customer acquisition, conversion and retention to make more, spend less and increase customer satisfaction.
June 26 (Paris): Salesforce1 World Tour Paris 2014
Welcome to the Internet of Customers. Come experience the all new Salesforce1 Customer Platform in Southern California on Tuesday, July 15. See how you can connect your apps, devices, and customer data, all with one powerful Customer Platform designed for the new hyper-connected world of customers.
June 30 - July 1 (London): Marketing Leaders' Exchange London 2014
Bringing together 60 industry leaders over two days of interactive sessions led by expert speakers and panellists, at the Marketing Leaders' Exchange you will look at how to develop the personnel, systems and culture that will drive success from your department and future-proof your marketing strategy in line with your business objectives.
July Events
July 1 - 3 (Frankfurt): Content Connects - Content Strategy Forum Frankfurt 2014
The 2014 CSF event will be a space for people from different backgrounds to exchange ideas and experiences about how Content Strategy helps corporations -- and large corporates like government -- to be successful in the modern, interconnected world.
July 2 - 3 (London): Customer Experience Exchange London 2014
The Customer Experience Exchange for Retail is an invitation-only forum that brings together 60 CMOs and VPs/Directors of Customer Experience, Marketing, eCommerce and Retail from Fortune 500 retailers to discuss the practicalities of increasing customer retention and loyalty in this hypercompetitive market.
July 14 - 15 (Kansas City): Midwest.io Kansas City 2014
A two-day conference in the heart of the US, bringing together developers for an eclectic collection of talks covering the latest trends, best practices, and research in the field of computing.
July 14 - 16 (Seattle): MozCon Seattle 2014
We bring you three days of forward-thinking, actionable sessions on SEO, social media, community building, content marketing, brand development, CRO, the mobile landscape, analytics, and more. MozCon speakers share next-level advice on everything from building a loyal community to making data-driven decisions in your marketing.
July 14 - 17 (Boston): Marketing World Boston 2014
Marketing World 2014 is, simply put, an unbeatable opportunity to spark killer new ideas and next strategies, and a great forum to find out what others are doing to keep their companies ahead of the game and grow their business.
July 16 - 17 (New York): Digital Publishing Innovation Summit New York 2014
We know that the theories underpinning current developments in Publishing and the Digital movement don't necessarily pan out in the real world, particularly when examined in a global context. Which is why we invite you to discuss your thoughts and feelings openly, and connect with like-minded people. The summit is a prime opportunity for you to air your personal and business challenges.
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Ignore my post about posting wrong photos. these are all from week 16. the growth is coming, but its extremely slow. they start out as white hairs as you can see in photos and then gradually become dark. It really is like running a marathon: slow steady progess: nothing spectacular from one week to the next.


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Not surprisingly, Su Tseng-chang got elected the party leader as he has got support from some county chiefs and 2 mayors as well as those who control a substantial number of nominal party members. When asked how he would deal with the problem of nominal party members, his reply was that nominal members should not be stigmatised.
Lo Chih-cheng beat Chang Hung-lu and will become Director of DPP's New Taipei City regional office. Lo did not have Chang's local connections but he has a high profile (good ability and public image) and Tsai Ing-wen's support. I don't know how much the scandal this week hurt Chang but judging by the significant majority Lo won (5000+ votes more than his opponent), Lo would have easily won either way. This is the first time in many years that this regional office is not headed by Su Tseng-chang's associate. The level of support for Lo could mean that Su's influence in New Taipei is not as great as some people believe and that the Tsai's campaigns have got her some real support. This may be a positive change for the DPP because in all the major elections over the past 10 years, the results in this region have almost always been disappointing. This has raised a question about Su and his people's campaign ability (or willingness to campaign for others). Indeed, despite being active in the region for many years, Chang Hung-lu has not shown any outstanding or memorable performance in his political career. Let's see if Lo can do better in New Taipei.
In Taipei City, Chuang Ruei-hsiun, a good Taipei City Councillor, secured another term as Director of the DPP Taipei City Regional Office. He has been backed by Frank Hsieh and endorsed by Tsai Ing-wen. It's worth mentioning that when he won last time, he took over the position from Huang (who also ran this time), who is wealthy enough to control a lot of nominal party members. Chuang's win probably signified the influence of those who use nominal party members to dominate diminishing in that region. Lo's win in New Taipei could mean the same there because a lot of those who control nominal members were said to have supported Chang.
As I said before, I'm not optimistic about DPP's future in Su's hands. However, with the changes in the 2 most important regional offices, Su may not be as dominating as expected. Lo and Chuang are both young and promising and I hope they both do well at creating positive changes in the future.
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In an article, Taipei Times reported the following:
Chai, Wu and Su Huan-chih yesterday afternoon demanded that the DPP call a Central Executive Committee meeting today to investigate alleged election fraud in New Taipei City (新北市).
The DPP national headquarters turned down the request for the meeting, but promised to launch an investigation.
Demands for the investigation focus around Lo Chih-cheng (羅致政) — currently running for director of the DPP's regional office in New Taipei City — who on Thursday accused his rival, Chang Hung-lu (張宏陸), of handing out lists of party members to Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) officials in the city and asking KMT borough chiefs to campaign for Su Tseng-chang and Chang.
Acting DPP chairperson Chen Chu (陳菊) urged party members to vote tomorrow, with spokesperson Lin Chun-hsien (林俊憲) adding that the leadership handover ceremony is scheduled to be held on Wednesday.
There are crucial details missing in this article. TWIMI has the most comprehensive coverage:
According to Lo Chih-cheng, on 22nd and 23rd May, all the borough chiefs in the Yong-he area received a letter through their local network, asking them to support Su Tseng-chang in the leadership race and Chang Hung-lu (supported by Su) for the directorship in the DPP New Taipei City regional office. The letter was signed by the deputy speaker of the New Taipei City Council, KMT's Chen Hung-yuan (陳鴻源) and a KMT borough chief, Hsu Cheng-yang (許承煬). A separate sheet with DPP members' names and addresses in the area was enclosed so that theborough chiefs could contact them.
Wu Rong-i (吳榮義) pointed out that all the candidates had signed a legal statement and sworn to keep all the member details they received completely confidential (as in only used by the candidate for the election and not shared with any external party or agency) and therefore, Su and Chang needed to explain. Su Huan-chih (蘇煥智) said that this was not only a disciplinary matter but a criminal offence. He added that if member details could be leaked to the KMT, they could also be leaked to the Chinese.
Hsu Cheng-yang admitted sending that letter out to get support for Chang. He said that he was only helping out of his personal friendship with Chang (which he rephrased after Chang denied knowing him as friendly feelings towards Chang for his good work when Chang was in the County government) and that he got those individual member details from his uncle, Hsu Yu-ming, who ran for the parliament for the DPP in the past.
DPP deputy Secretary-General, Hung Yao-fu (洪耀福) confirmed that the member details all matched the party's record and those individuals were all the members eligible to vote in the current election (i.e. that information is the most up to date). The primary for the parliamentary election Hsu Yu-ming was in (2011) was all based on telephone poll and member details were not released to any candidate for campaign during that election. Therefore, it was impossible for Hsu Yu-ming to leak information to his nephew when he did not have that information in the first place. Hung also explained that member details were held in a secure system with no external access and to get the details, one would need login, password and authorisation. The level of detail one can see depends on the level of clearance they have.
The deputy speaker of New Taipei City Council Chen Hung-yuan's response was interesting. His office said that Hsu's staff included his name by mistake and that they had already asked for that version to be destroyed and therefore, they were puzzled as to how those copies got out. They emphasised that it was impossible for a deputy speaker to interfere in DPP's internal electiona.
Well, I don't know how or why a KMT borough chief would specifically include the deputy speaker (out of all the councillors) in that letter but a Taiwanese blogger, Black Rain, pointed out that this was not the first time we have heard about the KMT helping Su Tseng-chang in an election. Black Rain detailed the relevant media reports. In April 2011, Yazhou Zhoukan (Asia Weekly) reported that the KMT was using some of their local networks to support Su in the DPP presidential primary and Next Magazine specified that this happened in New Taipei City. This kind of allegations should be quite damaging to Su but to date, he has not confronted those two media outlets or sued them. The blogger pointed out that Su has always been observed to have great relationships with politicians in the blue camp. I won't list all the indicators or evidence here but off the top of my head – A KMT central standing committee member and a New Taipei City Councillor could not have sung more praise about Su and openly said that he would have campaigned and vote for Su had Su run for the president.
Chang denied handing those details to the KMT borough chief. Both Su and Chang said that they did not know who gave those details to the KMT, implying that it could be anyone who had access. Chang even implied that it could be Lo who set him up. I agree with Black Rain that this is not very likely because Lo is new in New Taipei City and has limited local connections whereas Chang has been there for years. Would a KMT chief or deputy speaker help someone they don't know well set his opponent up?
Black Rain also noted the silence in the media about the leak of DPP member details to the KMT and KMT's alleged support for Su and Chang. He detailed what he saw in each outlet and posed some questions such as why blue friendly media did not leap at a perfect chance to tear the DPP or an influential DPP figure apart like they usually do? Why would they let this go? If Hsu was colluding with Lo, their intention would be to damage Su and Chang. Then, why would the blue friendly media let Su off?
This incident makes one wonder what else has been leaked to the KMT? Campaign strategies? Committee decisions? After losing the presidential election, one of the reasons Tsai attributed to her loss was that their organisations had been 'broken'. She was very vague but could she have meant 'penetrated'? If there was any truth in any of the above, who will be running the DPP in the future should Su be elected? More importantly, there are individual(s) in the DPP, whoever they are, that have mishandled their members' personal details and violated their trust. If this is not looked into and dealt with, it may affect people's willingness to join the party in the future.
By the way, I'd never heard of Hsu's name until this week but Chen was a household name already because Sean Lien (連勝文) was shot in the face when campaigning for Chen during the 2010 Municipality elections. Chen stood only a few yards away from Lien when it happened. This incident affected the election results to certain extent as some voters switched their support to the KMT. In the end, the DPP won only Kaohsiung and Tainan when they could have won at least one more city. At the time, Tsai Ing-wen was running for the New Taipei Mayor's office. A win would have given Tsai the key to get into or even take over Su's base and networks, which might not be difficult because she gained considerable support during the campaign and lost by a margin closer than expected.
This is probably the biggest news of the year. It came as a shock for some and many loyal supporters are saddened and angered by this news. Personally, I am impressed by how Cheng Hung-yi (鄭弘儀) had managed to withstand all the pressure for this long. I do not believe that Cheng resigned purely for personal reasons.
Talking Show (大話新聞) has consistently been the No. 1 political talk show. This is partly because pro-Taiwan and green friendly shows are in the minority in the media and the collective support from pro-Taiwan viewers who see the show as the only outlet of their voices makes it really stand out. It also owes thanks to Cheng and his team's superior ability in gathering and effectively using materials and evidence to support their arguments and critiques. For these reasons, Cheng and the regular guests have been 'marked' by the KMT. When the attempt to buy them off failed, the KMT government has brought suits against them probably to intimidate and harass.
Internally, Cheng seemed to have been marked by one of the 'higher ups' as a thorn in the side and this person has tried very hard to push him out. He has often been asked to tone down criticisms on the KMT government. The company will lose a lot of loyal pro-Taiwan and pro-democracy viewers but they probably believe that the profits from the Chinese market will more than compensate the loss in Taiwan. We shall see if Cheng's departure triggers a domino effect of pro-Taiwan voices being eliminated gradually. I hope not. With that level of popularity, Cheng can easily do another show which matches or surpasses the success of Talking Show but I am not sure which TV company would be going against the political tides at this time. Some people have suggested FTV but it seems to be another empire of its own and may not be as pro-Taiwan as some might think.
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KMT's control of media: the real reason behind Talking Show's reduced hours
'Talking Show' in Taiwan being cancelled altogether?
On 7th March, Taiwan's former president Chen Shui-bian, currently imprisoned, was taken to Taoyuan General Hospital for a medical check up and was found to have a heart condition. He underwent a procedure the following day to correct the problem. He was also found to have a prostate tumour but the doctors had yet to determine whether it was malignant.
It reads as if Chen was simply taken to the hospital. However, getting the authority to grant the permission had not been easy. Chen had been feeling unwell for a while but prison doctors had not reported the need for more sophisticated examinations in a hospital. Chen fell ill again on 2nd March. His wife visited him in prison and asked the Ministry of Justice to allow Chen to be properly examined in a hospital. The minister emphasised that Chen had been seen by prison doctors (seconded from Taoyuan General Hospital) three times before and that everything was normal but he would ask the prison to assess there was a need for a hospital visit.
On the following day, Frank Hsieh posted a message on Plurk:
According to news reports, A-bian had expressed his suspicion of having colon cancer. From the legal or the humane point of view, the authority must grant him a visit to the hospital for a thorough check up immediately and must not let any political consideration get in the way. If [Chen's] life is endangered because of the delay, it is the same as murder and will certainly polarise the society further.
On 6th March, 12 DPP and 1 TSU legislators visited the Ministry of Justice and asked the Ministry to grant permission and make arrangements for Chen to have a check up immediately.
This makes me wonder:
Does it need 4 days or longer to make such a decision?
Does it take as much effort or as long for other prisoners?
If the answer was 'no' for the above two questions, why did it take 4 days and so much pressure for the ministry to act?
If the answer was 'yes' for the first two questions, what are prisoners' human rights like in Taiwan at the moment?
After Chen was in hospital, it was found that he had been given Ativan (Lorazepam) for 14 months non-stop. Chen said that he had not been aware of the use and side effects of this drug but the hospital spokesperson, Dr. Wang, claimed that the doctor prescribed 1/8 of the normal dose so that the chance of having side effects was very low. Wang also emphasised that the doctor had inform Chen its effects. This discrepancy may be because the doctor did not explain clearly enough to Chen or given him the full information and did not make sure Chen understood. However, according to the UK NHS website,
Lorazepam is a medicine which is used to treat anxiety, excitement, mania and status epilepticus. Lorazepam is also used as a pre-operative medication. Lorazepam is used in these conditions due to its anxiolytic, sedative, anticonvulsant and muscle relaxant effects.
Lorazepam should only be used at the lowest possible dose for the shortest time possible. This will minimise the chance of dependence and withdrawal symptoms.
It makes one wonder why it's necessary to give someone such a drug for 14 months. I also wonder how many people would willingly take this medication without cause for 14 months after reading the two sentences in bold, however low the dosage is.
Upon reading Chen's medical record, his office question the safety (or quality) of the medical care Chen had received. For example, Chen was once given a medication for his heart symptom but the prescribed dose was at least three times higher than the normal one, which caused Chen extreme discomfort and a severe headache. I don't know whether this could be life threatening or not. It was found to be prescribed by a physiotherapist rather than a qualified medical doctor. On another occasion, Chen was given eye drops containing steroids, which made his high eye pressure even higher. Do the above reflect simply poor standard of medical care for all prisoners? Or is there something personal?
Chen's son said that Chen was confined in a very small space (approx. 4 sq meters, including a toilet, a washing area and storage space) for the majority of the day and allowed outdoors 30 minutes only. A TSU legislator added on the Talking Show that there was no bed and Chen had to sleep on concrete floor like everyone else and the space was so small that Chen could not stretch/straighten his legs while he slept. As most people can tell, Chen is not tall and if he can't stretch his legs, that must be awfully small.
As soon as Chen got to the hospital, the blue camp accused the ministry of giving Chen preferentially treatment1. A KMT legislator, Liao, asked the authority to treat Chen just like any other prisoner. Another KMT legislator, Wu Yu-sheng, told Chen's family not to have the cake and eat it. However, some green supporters point out that when the former head of KMT secret service was jailed because he ordered the murder/assassination of the writer Liu Yi-liang, he was given a flat with space at the front, just like a home, and he was allowed to take a walk in that space whenever he liked. The two assassins also received special treatment in prison.
It's not relevant to Chen's health but I'd mention another irony here. In 2009, Wu Yu-sheng was caught having an affair, cheating on his wife, and the BMW-X5 he used to take the woman was leased by him and paid for by unspent political donations. I don't want to comment on his affair but thought it might be important to know if the fund has covered his other personal luxury or been used inappropriately in any other way. However, as far as I remember, no mainstream (or blue friendly) media showed much interest in probing his handling of political donations further and Wu got re-elected in the 2012 legislative election.
It's good if the DPP's internal post-election review can be evidence based rather than just another competition of 'who shouts the loudest'. One area that hasn't been widely discussed or acknowledged is the conduct and decision making of the campaign team. However, in the draft review, the DPP acknowledged 'the KMT had run a more "technically successful" campaign in terms of crisis management and campaign tactics, as well as communications', as reported in Taipei Times.
Who ran Tsai's campaign?
Tsai's chief campaign manager was Wu Nai-jen. The chair of the campaign committee was Su Tseng-chang, who was supposed to incorporate local party offices into campaign and election workforce. Frank Hsieh was given the responsibility of mobilising supporters and organising those local groups around the country. On 28th December 2011, Former DPP legislator, Tuan Yi-kang emphasised that Hsieh was not part of any key decision-making for the presidential campaign. The campaign strategies were dominated by Wu and Lin Hsi-yao (senior aide, former Taipei County deputy chief when Su was the chief). Well-resourced departments such as the PR were all controlled by the New Tide faction, which Wu, Lin and Tuan all belong to, and Su Tseng-chang's associates. Hsieh's associates seemed to be placed in organisation and networking – very exhausting and not very well-resourced positions. According to media reports, there were a number of key errors during the campaign:
It was revealed after the election that Wu ignored crucial polling data and warning signs during the campaign. For example, before the election, DPP's internal polling result once showed that Tsai would lose by 6 to 8%. When presented to Wu, he used the results from an unsourced poll to argue that Tsai had a 1-2% lead. Those close to Wu argued that the DPP polling might be 'contaminated' because respondents did not seem to be forthcoming or truthful. Frank Hsieh himself commissioned/funded separate and independent polls during the election and approximately a month before the election, he found that Ma's satisfaction rating had steadily risen from 40% to 43% and then 50%. Hsieh immediately passed the polling results onto Wu and asked the team to respond but no action was taken.
Poor crisis management
During the campaign, the PR department made a calendar for distribution, with different fruits and their unit prices printed. The purpose was to tell the public about the local produce and highlight how the farmers' profits were squeezed by the poor agricultural policies. However, they got the photo of water persimmon wrong and put a photo of sweet persimmon instead. As sweet persimmon was more expensive than water persimmon, the KMT, troubled by Ma's private meeting with a bookie, quickly took advantage of this mistake and the media attacked the DPP for hurting the sweet persimmon farmers.
According to a report, Frank Hsieh was of the opinion that the PR personnel should have acted swiftly, apologising for the editorial oversight and then the campaign could move on. However, the key players let it escalate to the point that it hurt their polling number. Lin defended the PR team and insisted that there was no impact on the support level. In the end, it was so bad that Tsai had to make a public apology herself.
There were other crises during campaign. Regardless of whether they really affected the support level, the speed and the ways of responses from the campaign team were all quite incompetent. Another example would be how they dealt with the media attacks on Su Jya-chuan's house. No clear response or effective refute was made for a few days, which allowed this non-issue to escalate.
It has also been observed that the campaign lacked a strong and clear theme and I don't remember them clearly highlighting any issue to define the campaign. The 'piggy bank' success happened by pure chance. Even though Tsai was taking on a sitting president, the campaign did not really question Ma's performance, his acceptance of 92 consensus or refute some serious allegations about DPP's stance.
Who are taking responsibilities?
Tsai said that she would take all the responsibilities. Indeed, all the key players in the campaign have escaped intense public scrutiny and criticisms. I am not saying that those criticisms should be let out in the open but it is ironic that former DPP legislator, Kuo Cheng-liang, TAPOD chairman, Yiu Ying-lung and the Liberty Times (all Su Tseng-chang's supporters) publicly urged Tsai to look into her own part. Perhaps Tsai should do so but I wonder why they don't publicly ask Su to look into his failure as the campaign committee chair and the responsibilities of other members in the campaign team. For example, the poor ballot counting practices could have been reduced by better supervision and inspection on the DPP's part and one of Su's responsibilities was about that. There were actually more witness accounts that I haven't had time to translate. The DPP claimed that they had sent inspectors/supervisors to 98% of the ballot counting stations. Even if they did, those who went were not well trained. Hsieh might have spotted a problem there and was trying to get supporters to observe the counting but this could never be as effective as party coordinated effort.
Right after the election, a news article said that Frank Hsieh had been the only one that worked with Tsai while the other heavyweights (including Su Tseng-chang) were working for their own end. I guess the reason why Hsieh was not given greater responsibilities in the campaign (like actually running it) and working more closely with Tsai was to avoid upsetting Su. Quite a few party committee members are in Su's camp and Tsai would not want to give the outside world the impression that the DPP was divided again.
Further thoughts…
Su Tseng-chang now seems very eager to take over from Tsai as the party leader. He himself has not announced anything but the press and his associates are showing support, attacking potential competitors and paving the way for him to come forward. I am not optimistic about the DPP's future with him being the leader. Other issues aside for now, look at his major campaign record:
In the 2000 presidential election, Su coordinated the campaign effort in Taipei County where he was the chief. Chen Shui-bian got only 36.73% of votes whereas James Soong got 40.26%. However, in Kaohsiung City, where Frank Hsieh was in charge, Chen got 45.79% of votes, which was 16.1% more than what Soong won.
In the 2004 presidential election, Su coordinated in Taipei County again. Chen got only 46.94% when Lien Chan received 53.06% of votes. However, In Kaohsiung city, Chen won 55.65% of the total votes whereas Lien got only 44.35%.
One might argue that Kaohsuing was a 'green' city and therefore Chen would have naturally won. This would be incorrect because the pre-Hsieh Kaohsiung was an ironclad 'blue' area. In fact, when Hsieh first got elected as the mayor in 1998, there were only eight DPP councillors in the Kaohsiung City Council. Hsieh not only renovated the city but changed the political culture there.
In the 2010 Taipei City mayoral election, despite all the hypes about Su and the DPP on the rise, he got only 43% of the votes – only 1% more than what Hsieh managed in 2006 when the DPP was about to fall apart.
When Su was the party leader in 2005, people had high hopes in his performance. However, the DPP suffered a huge defeat in the 3-in-1 election the same year. The total number of DPP county chiefs went from 10 to 6 and the number of council seats also dropped. As he used to be the Taipei County chief (supposedly successful and well-connected there), people expected a good outcome there at least but it was just unimpressive – the DPP county chief candidate lost by 200,000 votes.
When Hsieh was the party leader from 2000 to 2002, he worked with the Taiwan Solidarity Union (TSU) strategically rather than competed with them. Hsieh moved the DPP towards the middle and the TSU went for the 'dark green'. The outcome was that it became the first time the DPP had more parliamentary seats (n=87) than other parties in history. If the TSU seats were also considered (n=13), the pan-green coalition reached its peak then.
Su Tseng-chang actually has not got much to show for in the campaign department. If one examines the statistics about all the campaigns Su has run or been heavily involved in, they'd realise that none of those campaigns was stunningly successful. In fact, most of them were unimpressive. Some people believe that he is a good campaigner probably because he's a good public speaker but I think his campaign ability has just been over hyped by the media.
The most beautiful subway stops in the world
BootsnAll has an article – '15 of the Most Beautiful Subway Stops in the World'. Apparently, 2 of the top 5 (2nd and 4th) are in Kaohsiung, Taiwan. These are Formosa Boulevard Station and Central Park Station.
I have been in both stations and they looked impressive indeed. Thanks to former Kaohsiung mayor, Frank Hsieh, for his vision, courage and determination. When he decided to make the bids international, it seemed that domestic companies that traditionally got projects under the KMT regime were really unhappy. The media, the prosecutors' office and the blue camp seemed to be working together to attack and smear Hsieh. Similar things happened around the construction of 2009 World Games main stadium. Years later, we realised that Hsieh has never been prosecuted for the MRT project because there's no evidence of wrongdoing and his team have all been cleared. I suspect only those who have firsthand experience understand the hassle during legal investigations and proceedings, especially when the investigating body is biased in the first place. That's definitely painful.
At the most difficult time, Hsieh quoted the artist, Pierre-Auguste Renoir, "The pain passes but the beauty remains" (痛苦會過去, 美麗會留下). If you have the chance to visit Kaohsiung, do spend some time and look around. You wouldn't be disappointed. I wasn't. I actually wish I had more time.


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LP tank location?
Hi all,
As I understand it you need to have 10' clearance from a possible source of ignition. Does the motor on the hot tub break this rule? also, where do I find on the tank label how many gal the tanks are? Honestly I'm not real confident on my LP knowledge. Any help here is greatly appreciated.
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Re: LP tank location?
I believe it is 3 feet from a source of ignition (might be 5 feet, but I think it is 3 feet) and yes, the motor would be a source of ignition.
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I think they are 260 pounders.
BBQ tanks are 20 pounders, the tall narrow tanks are 100 pounders. But I'm Canadian.
We have the same lbs, but our Imperial gallons are bigger. Anyway, this chart is from a US site. Liquid Propane is measured by weight.
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You have DOT cylinders and ASME containers, each with very different clearances as noted in the back of NFPA 58.
All tanks are rated in terms of water capacity by weight. Therefore, the ubiquitous "100lb" tank will hold 238lbs of water at about 8.25 lbs/ gal. That's full. Now, you never fill LP tanks more than 80% so the gas has room for expansion and vaporization. So, in actuality, that tank should hold a max of about 35 gallons or 97-100 lbs of fuel, hence the "100 lbs." rating. At a vapor density (usually erroneously referred to as 'specific gravity') of 1.50, a 100 lb tank will hold about 2,154,800 BTUs of LP (which stands for 'liquified petroleum--not liquid propane) fuel. However, you should never run an LP tank down below 20% so really only about 1,939,320 BTUs of available fuel.
Except for small salamander construction heaters and such, 100lb. tanks are not good for much and almost always undersized for fixed installations such as residences due to the poor vaporization rate.
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Wow! 3 responses from 3people I know are very knowledgeable. Do any of you see any problems in the photos that should be described in the report? Thanks for the help
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If I am reading the label correctly, those tanks are 120 gallon water capacity.
The first thing I noticed is that they are on three separate pads, and I would think (but do not know for sure) that each tank should be on one support pad (Bob Harper would likely know if that was the case or not).
Other than ignition source clearance (which I can't tell from the photo), the clearance between the tank valves and the window/building opening looks like it meets the 5 feet needed.
I can't tell much else from the photos, so hopefully Bob (who knows a whole lot more than I do about LPG tanks and LPG installation requirements) will address what he sees.
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Tanks here have to be 10' from any structures, ignition, source, or intake vent.
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I see tanks that size parked up against the house all the time. Larger tanks are generally given some space. A general rule is to orient the ends of the blimp away from nearby structures, because when they blow, they blow out one end like a cannon.
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There are two factors that determine the minimum clearance for LP tanks:
location during filling and whether DOT cylinder vs. ASME container.
Basicallly, the valve needs to be 10 feet away from an ignition source when filled on site. You can place portable LP cylinders closer but they cannot be filled if less than 10' from an ignition source.
You can read the full text online for free or buy the entire 2011 version. I recommend with any code you buy the commentary version or in this case, the 'Handbook'. Also note that NFPA has been including interpretations in the back of the latest code book plus they are online, which can clear up many issues. For instance, they ruled that a dryer vent exhaust is considered a building opening in their book.
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Yes... an electrical motor is considered a source of ignition, this would be an illegal install.
The tanks you have are called 120's (gallons) or 420's(pounds), each would be filled to an 80% capacity to allow for expansion of the propane.
All ASME tanks will have a metal plate with the information you request, DOT tanks will have this stamped into the metal.
DOT tanks need to be hydrostatically tested every 12 years... ASME tanks never have to be tested.
Any tank filled on site needs to be 10 feet from any ignition source, dryer vents, disconnects, motors that are non explosion proof, A/C etc.
my guess would be that the motor in question is non explosion proof, is thatan electrical box on the side of the house?
The gas piping you took a picture of with the thermacel insulation is concerning... what kind of tubing is this.
Is the protective insulation UV protected... if not, it's illegal.
In exterior application all trac pipe, gas tite, and ward flex should have their protective coating intact and flexible tubing should be covered with a special tape provided by the manufacturer.
Hope this helps.
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Good thread for me at least. I recently had some LP work done @ my home and trying to keep up w/ all the regs and limitations is tough - - - especially when you get it all in one gulp. The legally required distances changed with the tank size, one distance for windows, another for potential ignition sources, different tank "certifications" and like any other code/s AHJ requirements can differ. I found it particularly odd the the common 100 gallon tanks, ( 120 gal ? ), could be next to the structure, while anything bigger could not. Even odder that you could gang up the 100's and still stay next to the structure. Lots to learn.
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Like the attached drawing shows.
A tank that size will be filled on-site from a bulk truck.
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If an opening or ignition source is within that circle, then the two are too close, and don't forget, if the tank is filled on-site (as a 120 gallon tank would be), then the distance to an ignition source is 10 feet, not 5 feet. The 5 feet is to an opening.
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I have several concerns about this installation. Was it permitted and done by a licensed plumber? Do we assume there is a pressure regulator? Is the connection between the tubing and the CSST an approved connection? What is the status of the electrical bonding of the gas piping? Is there dielectric isolation where required? I don't know about Spokane, and not trying to be an alarmist, but with the lightning storms we have, I would be very uneasy with this arrangement.
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This is a handy resurrection of this thread because an LP tank location question was asked on another inspector BB and it's something that I have not run into.
Basically, a homeowner chose to switch LP service providers, but when it came time to install the new tank (since the previous was rented and owned by the competition, it required replacement), the new supplier notified the owners that the location had to be moved due to the overhead electrical service drop.
It looks like NFPA 58 covers LP tank installation, but I don't have that publication. Does anyone know the specific requirements for LP tank placement. Not the DOT tanks, but the large ASME tanks.
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Above ground or below ground/in ground?
The document I posted addresses both types of tanks installed above ground.
I have another similar document which addresses below ground/in ground tanks that I can post when I get back to my office if you need it.
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Hi Jerry,
Above-ground tank. In the document you posted, I see the 10 foot from source of ignition, but does that really include overhead electrical service drop? A service drop, even if it is less than 10 feet above the tank (which would be more like 13 feet above grade) shouldn't emit sparks like a motor or engine would. I didn't see anything else that would qualify in that particular document.
But then again, I'm tired.
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It is alomst comical that they would point UP to an overhead service drop line as a source of ignition, but ... I have seen, and I am sure that many of us have seen, overhead service drops which has arcing between the uninsulated neutral and the burned-through insulated ungrounded conductors, so ... I'll buy their position that an overhead service drop could ... could ... be a source of ignition.
But ... they are not applying those clearances as stated.
Distances to building openings, as noted in 6.3.8, are measured horizontally.
Distances to sources of ignitions, as noted in 6.3.9, are measured in any direction - so unless the tank was immediately below the drip loop or within a foot or two of it, any overhead service drop would not meet the minimum of minimum heights above grade (10 foot minimum to the drip loop, which would also be the lowest point crossing a yard, and if that yard is not fenced and is not subject only to pedestrian traffic, then the minimum height is 12 feet ... except at the drip loop).
That would mean 'don't bother relocating the tank, the overhead service drop needs to be raised higher to meet minimum clearances.
If the overhead service drop meets minimum requirements and the tank is not directly below the drip loop (i.e., the clearance above grade to the overhead service drop is 12-1/2 to 13 feet or so), then there would be 10 feet clearance from the overhead service drop to the area of the tank being measured to (the top of the tank likely being about 2-1/2 to 3 feet high unless it is a vertical tank).
If it is a vertical tank, where the top could be 4 feet or so high, then it is easier to visualize that a tank might not make that 10 foot clearance to the overhead service drop source of ignition ... but all that would be needed would be to move the tank a foot or so as the measurement is not horizontal, the measure measurement is like the radius of a circle "in any direction from the point" ... which would be any opening in a closed surround or top over the actual point as gas could escape through any opening.
I am attaching the document for underground storage tanks in case you need it in the future.
Changing gas suppliers when underground tanks are present does raise several issues - as you said, the new gas supplier will insist on installing THEIR tank (the don't want to take responsibility for someone else's tank, I don't blame them either).
First, the old tank needs to be pulled from the ground (not left 'abandoned' below ground.
Then the new gas supplier needs to move that old tank out of the way to where it is not a hazard (there could be gas left in the tank, so leaving it on-site is a hazard, but moving it off-site is stealing someone else's tank).
Then the old gas supplies needs to come and remove THEIR tank from the property and take it back to their place of storage, and they have no incentive to do that as they will not get paid for doing that.
The solutions for the AHJ which I worked for was, for gas permits like that, to require, as a condition of the permit, that no hazard be left on-site ... that puts the onus on the new company to have the old company remove the tank pronto. And another condition of a gas permit was that no new gas permits would be issued to gas companies which left hazardous conditions in place ... and not removing their old tank pronto leaves a hazardous condition in place, so they typically would respond relatively quickly to get their old tanks - especially if they had any gas permits coming up soon. It's a tough position for the AHJ as they are limited in what they can do and enforce, but they need to do what they can to make sure that the old tank is not left on-site as a hazard. I've seen where large signs with the offending gas supplier's name were posted on the tank warning all persons that the tank was hazardous ... the offending gas supplier gets calls about "the hazard" from their clients ('do I have a hazard at my house too?') and then they call the AHJ, which says that the sign will be removed when the hazard is removed ... i.e.., 'come and get your friggin' tank and your problem will go away' ... works most of the time.
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Thanks Jerry,
I did finally get online to NFPA 58 this morning and found this:
6.25 Ignition Source Control
184.108.40.206 Electrical equipment and wiring installed in unclassified areas shall be in accordance with NFPA 70
22.214.171.124 The extent of electrically classified areas shall be in accordance with Table 126.96.36.199
Table 220.127.116.11 then goes on to describe location, extent of classified area and division. For our purposes:
Location Part A: Unrefrigerated containers other than cylinders and ASME vertical containers of less than 1000 lb (454 kg) water capacity.
Extent of Classified Area Within 15 ft (4.6 m) in all directions from connections, except connections otherwise covered in this table.
Approved for Compliance with NFPA 70, National Electrical Code Class 1, Group D, Division 2
188.8.131.52 The provisions of 126.96.36.199 shall not apply to fixed electrical equipment at residential or commercial installations of LP-Gas systems or to systems covered by Section 6.26
OK, so a few thoughts. First, I cannot find any Class 1, Group D Division 2 in the NEC (no Division 2). Second, the hazardous classified area around the tank appears to be 15 feet in all directions. Third, 22.214.171.124 seems to negate the table's requirements for residential installation.
So, if I understand all of this correctly, it looks to me like we are back to the minimum height of the service drop. I don't know about anyone else, but my brain hurts. Best bet is to disclaim all parts of LP storage and defer to the supplier.
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That's where the internet and Google searches come in handy.
420-pound Propane Tanks
Common Uses: Home heating, hot water, dryers, fireplaces, generators, pool heat.
Commercial Uses: Heating, commercial cooking, dry cleaning and temporary heating.
Size and Capacity: This tank is approximately 4 feet tall by 3 feet diameter and will hold 100 gallons when filled to 80 percent capacity.
Notes: These tanks are commonly referred to by a few different names. Such names include "100 gallons," which refers to the actual number of gallons of propane the tank can hold; "120 gallons," which refers to the total water capacity of the tank; and a "420lb tank," which refers to the number of pounds of propane the tank will be able to hold when filled to 80 percent.
Placement Restrictions: The minimum distance from a door or window into building is 5 feet. The minimum distance from a source of ignition is 10 feet. Up to 4 of these tanks are permitted to be placed next to each other, assuming the other restriction clearances are met.
Then you go down to D ("within 5 ft", and E ("within direct path of discharge"), and to K ("Outdoors in open air" and "within 5 ft" and "Beyond 5 ft ... but within 15 ft".
However, we need to define "cylinder", the definitions say:
- 3.3.17 Cylinder. A portable container with a marked water capacity of 1000 llb (454 kg) or less that is designed to transport and store LP-Gas.
Which means we have to define "container", 3.3.14 says:
- 3.3.14 Container. Any vessel, including cylinders, tanks, portable tanks, and cargo tanks, used for transporting or storing LP-Gas.
The catch, though, is that it refers to "vertical" containers, but does not define what "horizontal" or "vertical" is.
The drawing I posted is from a few years ago, the section numbers have changed - Table 6.3.8 is not Table 188.8.131.52.
Section 6.3.9 on my page is now 22.214.171.124 and references Table 18.104.22.168.
Section 6.3.8 on my page is now 126.96.36.199 and references Table 220.127.116.11.
So ... I would say that puts you back to the distances in 220.127.116.11 (old 6.3.8); 22.214.171.124 (old 6.3.9) and Table 22.214.171.124 (old Table 6.3.8) and ... you are right on it ... NFPA 70 (the NEC) for overhead service drop clearances.
The first thing which must be met is the overhead service drop clearances. (I put this as the first things because, even if no LP gas tank is present, this is required.)
The second thing which must be met are the clearances from openings and ignition sources.
The third thing to check is the overlap of the two above items as it is possible (but not likely) that the tank could be within the clearance to ignition sources of an overhead service drop which has proper clearances above grade.
Move the LP gas tank to clear the overhead service line? If so, then that overhead service line is likely not high enough (keeping in mind that the right - er ... wrong - exact location of a tank could create a conflict with the overhead service drop.
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I was looking around for a clarification of "vertical" cylinders/containers/tanks (other than the obvious that the tank itself sets upright vertically) and found this: http://www.scfiremarshal.llronline.c.../SecondQtr.pdf (I didn't read the entire document, I just skimmed through parts of it, but even that provided good information)
It contains good information on LP gas cylinders and tanks (containers), especially this part:
- (file page 51/216) - (shows what we typically think of as "cylinders")
- - - "DOT Containers aka… Cylinders"
- (file page 57/216)
- - (shows what we typically think of as "tanks")
- - - "ASME Containers, API-ASME Containers aka… Bulk Containers "
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Hi Jerry,
Thanks. It's going to take me a while to go through this stuff.
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I was reading back through our posts and this caught my eye as maybe being to solution to the 15 ft clearance:
(underlining is mine)
I would need to go back and re-read that stuff, but the "except connections otherwise covered in this table" removes everything covered in the table from that blanket clearance requirement.
At least it makes it less to read through.
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One of my big complaints about many of the codes is the lack of reasons/explanations regarding intent. In this case, it seems like the gas supplier may have misinterpreted the code. If explanations were provided, then misinterpretations might happen less. Then again, some codes are intended to be broad, in order to prevent something from "getting by" simply because a specific condition or item was not specified.
I haven't had time to read this again, but I will. Thanks Jerry.
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I just got another update. It kind of comes in dribbles. Frustrating, I know.
So, it seems that the issue was not due to the height or proximity of the service drop, it is about the lines between utility poles and their distance from the propane tank. Now, I am completely confused about this. If the utility company's lines are within 15' (NFPA 58 6.25) of the tank (classified area), then the lines are too low and should be raised. If they are the proper height, then how is the tank within 15'?
Unless the 15' clearance in all directions requirement has to do with keeping 15' away from a vertical line below the lines on the pole (above 600 volts). This kind of makes sense. If the lines were to drop and a propane tank was directly below, then this could be a problem. It might be necessary to have the tank a minimum of 15' from the "drop zone".
I also need help with terminology here. Please verify or correct me.
Transmission Lines = Ridiculously high voltage (like 100,000+ volts) on the giant towers. These are generally not in neighborhoods, but supply power to the substations where it is stepped-down to medium (but still high) voltages.
Primary Distribution Lines = Medium voltage (like 10,000 volts) on the upper portion of the poles that deliver the power from the substations to the neighborhoods where transformers step-down the power again.
Utilization Lines = Household voltages (240) after the pole-mounted transformers that distribute power to the service drops.
Did I get it right?
Re: LP tank location?Originally Posted by Jerry PeckOriginally Posted by Gunnar Alquist
Clearances for openings are measured horizontally, which is what your "drop zone" would be.
I also need help with terminology here. Please verify or correct me.
Transmission Lines = Ridiculously high voltage (like 100,000+ volts) on the giant towers. These are generally not in neighborhoods, but supply power to the substations where it is stepped-down to medium (but still high) voltages.
Primary Distribution Lines = Medium voltage (like 10,000 volts) on the upper portion of the poles that deliver the power from the substations to the neighborhoods where transformers step-down the power again.
Utilization Lines = Household voltages (240) after the pole-mounted transformers that distribute power to the service drops.
Did I get it right?
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Hi Jerry,
I guess I am being excessively dim, but I am just not getting it. I read your earlier post as well as my own. I understand the 15 foot diameter, but are you pointing out the "within direct path of discharge"? Is that the "drop zone"?
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I'm probably the dim one not being able to communicate what I'm thinking, or maybe the two of us together can replace the need for a nightlight ...
Your "drop zone" would be applying a vertical line point for a horizontal measurement. Horizontal measurements are applied to building openings from the propane container point.
Sources of ignition are measured spherically (is that a word?) around/from a container point.
'Normal condition' 'ignition source' clearance is 3 feet (or is it 5 feet) from the fill valve/other point.
'Fill condition' (while filling, but applied to all fixed objects all the time because they are not movable during filling operations) is 10 feet. That distance allows for dilution of the propane to below ignition concentration as it moves further from the propane source.
That 'fill condition' distance would not apply to power lines laying on the ground because no one in their right mind would fill a propane tank with a downed power line that close ... at least not an energized downed power line.
So I'm not sure where they are getting there 15 feet from - other than from not reading the table beyond that first statement of 15 feet ... not bothering to read the 'except as otherwise permitted in this table'.
Either that or I am missing something in that table, and they don't understand enough about that table to decisively point to what they are referring to.
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Let's see if I finally got this right.
So, in 126.96.36.199 A, we have a required 15' distance in all directions from connections (except for the exceptions). Presumably, these are connections to the gas system? It seems like that would not be referring to electrical connections (splices, etc.), but I don't see a specific definition. So, this would be a spherical measurement from any point on the tank from which gas could leak (valve, fill point, relief valve). If I understand this correctly, it seems perfectly reasonable. You want the gas to be able to dissipate before it reaches a source of ignition to prevent fire/explosion.
From Post #28 above:
In any case, in my example, the tank, point, source and path of discharge are well away from any permanent source of ignition, whether 5, 10 or 15 feet.
This whole thing is from a home inspector in the San Diego area and, unfortunately, getting specific information out of him is kind of difficult. The last message I received is that he talked to someone at a propane supply company in the area and they referred to a 10 foot rule. My head hurts.
I think, in the end, this is something that is well outside of the area of a home inspector's knowledge and expertise. My contract disclaims the tank and puts the onus on the tank's owner (in this case, the propane company). I just don't fully understand how this was installed like this originally if it is such a big problem today. Of course, we just had some impressive fires in my area, so we might end up seeing even more changes to various codes.
Yes, spherically is a word.
Thank you for all of your help. This has been frustratingly interesting.
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For the "location" of tank (from buildings, property lines, etc) where applicable, the "location" is measured from the closest part of the tank, i.e, measured from the closest end of the tank to a property line, building, etc.
For "clearance" from openings into a building and ignition sources, the measurements are taken from the point specified in those drawings I posted, see Table 6.3.8.
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