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Temperatures in the 90's one week, then it gets unseasonably cool, then we go days without a drop of rain followed by heavy downpours, and then there are the molds, insects, deer, moles and other critters to contend with. Many people consider gardening and yard work relaxing and enjoyable, but maintaining gardens and landscapes around here takes time, effort and experience. Joining us to share gardening tips and tricks are Peter Huttinger, property manager at Homeadow Song Farm, and from the Campbell County Extension Office, Horticulture Technician Doris Meece and Horticultural Extension Agent David Koester. What's your gardening question?
For information on gardening classes and programs, visit the Civic Garden Center of Greater Cincinnati, NKY Master Gardeners Association, or the Greater Cincinnati Master Gardeners Association.


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I personally cannot ever differentiate between a latte ,cappucino or an espresso and hence I tend to make a fool of myself whenever I go on a coffee date with friends.If you are like me, here's a quick guide on how to order the right coffee for yourself.
The type of coffee you order also tells the type of person you are.Read on to know more !
These are the major types of coffee you can usually order –
It is a mixture of finely ground coffee beans and boiling water.It provides the base for other drinks like cappuccino, caffe latte , caffe mocha and cafe americano.Espresso also has the highest caffiene per unit volume.
If you drink Espresso , you're probably a no-nonsense and straightforward person.
It's the traditional morning heart starter.It is made from a mixture of Espresso and steamed milk or hot milk foam.It may be topped with cinnamon or chocolate powder.
If you are a fan of cappuccino chances are you are a controlling and obsessive person.
This is a mixture of Espresso and steamed milk.It's pretty similar to Cappucino, the amount of milk is what makes them different.Latte has More milk or cream content than a Cappuccino.
Latte drinkers tend to be eager to please people.
Also called Mocaccino , is a chocolate variant of Latte.It is a mix of espresso , hot milk with added chocolate in the form of either syrup or chocolate powder.
Mocha drinkers on the other hand were found to be socially bold.
Frappe is made from instant coffee .It has a lot of foam and is blended with ice.Thats why we also know it by more casual name, "cold coffee".It comes in many flavours and toppings.
Frappe lovers are seen to be young at heart and a little reckless.
Next time order coffee like a bad ass!
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Episode 139 – You're Not Ant!
This week Ant is feeling under the weather, so Tom is joined by Jo to talk about all kinds of things including being reliant on social media, the introduction in read-receipts on Facebook invites and messages and the 'dislike' button.
A man at Google has the best job title ever, men in Britain get their own radio station full of blokey topics and things, but why do we need it? Lastly, Jo give some life advice to a listener.
Oh, and the man who held up the bank Tom used to work at has been jailed for two years, but the Metro got the details completely wrong.
All this and more on this episode of the Anywhere But Here podcast. Enjoy.
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Adjust LED, CFL and incandescent lights with this single-pole dimmer that includes a convenient illuminated locator.
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This magnesium finish 450 watt paddle dimmer features an up-and-down on-off switch and a slider for dimming or brightening lights. Includes a convenient adorne Wall Switch Locator Status Light so you can easily see the switch in the dark and turn the lights on without ever having to run your hand across the wall again. Light turns on when the load is off and off when the load is on. Supports two-wire single-pole or three-way operation and works with incandescent, LED and CFL lights. Patented Tru-Universal technology allows it to automatically adapt to any load or combination of loads attached. Personalize the look by adding a snap-on adorne Wall Plate, sold separately in a wide variety of finishes. Fits in your existing electrical box with no new wiring needed for typical installation. From Legrand.


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Lanai could get $750-million windfarm
By Sean Hao
Advertiser Staff Writer
By Sean Hao
Castle & Cooke Inc. yesterday said it may build a $750 million wind farm on Lana'i that could provide 15 percent to 20 percent of O'ahu's power needs.
The company, which owns 98 percent of Lana'i, is conducting wind and other feasibility studies in preparation for a decision on whether to build what would be the state's largest wind farm, said Castle & Cooke President Harry Saunders.
"Our intention is to go forward," Saunders said yesterday. "We're hoping to have a 'go' or 'no go' decision by the end of the year."
The proposed wind farm would generate 300 to 400 megawatts of power, or 10 times more energy than Hawai'i's largest existing wind farm. To put that in context, the total electric generating capacity for the Big Island is 300 megawatts.
The Lana'i wind farm power could be sent by undersea cable to O'ahu. However, it would not relieve O'ahu's need for a new, proposed biofuel power plant at Campbell Industrial Park, according to Hawaiian Electric Co.
HECO spokeswoman Lynne Unemori said wind farms provide intermittent power and wouldn't address O'ahu's need for a more reliable power source.
"We certainly welcome getting additional renewable energy," she said. But "it wouldn't remove the need for a new generator."
Despite consistent trade winds, Hawai'i gets little of its electric power from the wind. Because Castle & Cooke owns most of Lana'i, it may be able to avoid the type of public opposition that has tripped up wind farm plans in the past.
Community and cultural concerns effectively killed Hawaiian Electric Co.'s $70 million proposal to build a wind farm above the Kahe power plant in 2005. The plan to place 24 to 26 wind mills on a ridge drew opposition from Wai'anae Coast residents who considered the turbines unsightly and believed they would desecrate a sacred Hawaiian place.
The five existing or planned wind farms in the state, not counting the proposed Lana'i farm, only satisfy about 1 percent of the state's electricity demands, according to the Department of Business, Economic Development and Tourism.
A new $69 million Kaheawa Wind Power project on Maui, for example, uses 20 of General Electric's 1.5-megawatt wind turbines, which produce 30 megawatts of energy. The Kaheawa wind farm, on state land above Ukumehame, produces about 9 percent of Maui Electric Co. needs and eliminates the need for an estimated 244,000 barrels of imported oil annually.
Also yesterday, Castle & Cooke said it plans to build the largest solar photovoltaic farm in the state on Lana'i.
The solar farm would meet up to 30 percent of Lana'i's electricity demand.
The 1.5-megawatt solar farm will be built by a Castle & Cooke subsidiary, Lana'i Sustainability Research LLC, on a 10-acre site in south Lana'i. The $13 million to $18 million project could be completed by year's end.
"The time to move forward with renewable energy is now," said David Murdock, chairman and owner of Castle & Cooke Inc., in a news release about the solar plant. "Castle & Cooke is uniquely positioned on Lana'i to move forward to quickly meet and exceed the state's mandate of 20 percent sustainability by 2020."
The proposed site of the solar farm is in the Palawai Basin, about two miles south of the Maui Electric Co. power plant.
This project will add 14.4 percent to the installed electric generating capacity on Lana'i, and its daytime duty is expected to provide up to 30 percent of the island's power demand, said Maui Mayor Charmaine Tavares.
"This clean, renewable energy project will replace the equivalent of 202,400 gallons of diesel fuel, thereby avoiding 4.5 million pounds of global-warming carbon dioxide emission in Maui County annually," Tavares said in a news release.
Castle & Cooke is in the process of negotiating a power-purchase agreement with MECO to provide the solar power to Lana'i's community through MECO's electrical grid. Castle & Cooke said the solar farm could help mitigate future rate increases.
While solar power generation is small in Hawai'i compared to other renewable-energy sources such as geothermal, it offers advantages, said Maria Tome, an alternative-energy engineer at the state DBEDT.
Solar has the ability to be located on a building rooftop or other location where power is needed, Tome said. The technology makes more sense on the Neighbor Islands where utility rates are highest.
Castle & Cooke's solar project may qualify for a state technology investment incentives and a commercial solar, or photovoltaic, power tax credit program that rebates 35 percent of actual costs or $500,000, whichever is less. The company also might tap a 30 percent federal photovoltaic investment tax credit, Castle & Cooke said.
Another alternative-energy project that Castle & Cooke is pursuing on Lana'i is growing feedstock for biofuels.
"With the support of the state and the counties, this agreement to build Hawai'i's largest solar farm is just the first step of our plans for renewable, sustainable energy," Murdock said.
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Introduction: Easy DIY 'lightsaber' or Sword
Here's a really simple, yet fun project to do for the kids, the DIY lightsaber! This one is so simple, the kids could even do it themselves (with a little supervision on the cutting, of course).
Watch the video here for a 2 minute summary and check out the steps for more details.
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Step 1: What You Need:
-1 pool noodle (image shows only 1/2 of a pool noodle)
-Scissors or knife
-Duct tape
-Electrical tape (optional)
Step 2: Wrap the Noodle With Tape
Begin by wrapping the noodle with duct tape on one end and then wrap the rest of the end to create a hilt (fancy word for sword handle). The covered hilt portion should be just a little longer than the width of your hand.
Now, make another one to defend yourself, and that's it! But you could.....
Step 3: Embellish
You can dress up your lightsaber hilt to be a bit more realistic by adding any number of doodads, doodles or duct tape colors. Depending on what level of detail your child requires to achieve full immersion in a lightsaber duel.
I simply add a few strips of electrical tape to cover the duct tape seams an add a little touch of character to the blade.
Step 4: Tips
This project is straight forward, but after making a number of these, there are some other things I've learned:
1) Boys ages 0-5 tend to eat these if left unattended
2) Foil tape looks awesome but rips quickly
3) Pool noodles with a circular cross-section are stiffer than the star shaped
4) A full-length noodle can be wrapped in the middle to create a double-bladed saber (think Darth Maul :-) )
5) It hurts to get hit in the eye - perhaps suggest no head shots!
6) I can "force throw" pillows
Happy dueling! If you make these, I'd love to hear your comments on how much fun you had and any improvement you made on this basic design.
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Taylor Police Chief John Blair and State Sen. Erika Geiss remind drivers that school is back in session, and school buses are on the road.
Please remember to be mindful of these simple rules for sharing the road with school buses (see graphic).
When yellow lights are on, proceed with caution and be prepared to stop.
When red lights are on and the stop sign cross arm is extended, traffic must come to a complete stop.
Let's keep our children safe!


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Just like the Daddeostasis ad, this begin it's airing last year but is nearing the end of its run now. In it a husband slowly morphs into his own mother as he's taken on the extra responsibilities of owning a house. The glasses are perfect for this, and you can tell the actors were having a field day with this concept. The increasingly mom-like husband buys in bulk, serves food platters out of nowhere, vacuums at all times and even has mom-jeans.
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Have I understood this right? Is the Royal Mail to be thrown to corporations and investors in the same way as the railways were, as energy was? I don't know much about the issues involved but this just comes across as a ridiculous decision. The blog Left Foot Forward discusses the problems with the plan well here. The point about railways is particularly pertinent; privatisation is often seen as a solution to economic problems, but what good has it done the railways? We've since had to put up with overpriced fares and overcrowding. Will stamps simply rise further as a result of this? I'd like to believe that it's a decision which has been thought through but I suspect it's a further part of the government's agenda to privatise everything. What is perhaps surprising is that this plan is largely being headed by business secretary Vince Cable, a Liberal Democrat. The illusion of the Liberal Democrats being a centre-left party is rapidly fading, and I'm wondering whether I should take back the vague compliment I granted them recently.
If the government does carry through with this, you can be sure this will stick. Sure, Labour whinges now, but I have no doubt they'll soon accept this as willingly as they accepted Thatcher's privatisations in the 1980s. I'm beginning to see why Labour's achievements in power tend to be undone to a greater extent than the Conservatives'; Labour always seem to get dragged into accepting the policies of Conservative governments.
I can't help wondering, what next? Will the next Conservative government privatise the NHS? Education? That seems ridiculous now but it's the direction we appear to be heading in. Another economic depression, another right-wing government, and nothing will be seen as too valuable to have spending 'saved'.
Am I wrong? As I said, I don't know enough about this to comment with certainty. Please let me know how you feel about this!
Related articles:
- http://stirringtrouble.wordpress.com/2013/07/10/it-will-be-such-a-con-this-royal-mail-privatisation/
- http://www.libdemvoice.org/liberal-reform-comment-on-post-office-privatisation-35284.html
(All this said, would privatising it remove the 'Royal' from the title? That might almost be worthwhile…)


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Are you a vegeterian and think mushrooms are non-vegeterian?
Are you a non-vegeterian and eat mushrooms only because they taste like chicken or mutton?
Either ways, here are some more reasons why you must go for mushrooms or go all the more for mushrooms.
Button mushrooms are :
- Vegeterian
- Good for diabetics and to control high blood pressure
- A good source of minerals and high in antioxidants
- Low in calories
- Are widely available through out the year in most super markets
So what are you waiting for?
Go to the supermarket now and grab your packet of mushrooms and some basil leaves and make this yummy soup
- Four medium sized button mushroom
- One medium sized onion
- 3 or 4 flakes of garlic
- One tsp dried basil
- One tsp cooking oil
- Half tsp ghee
- Half cup of toned milk
- 1/2 tsp pepper powder
- Salt to taste
- Cut onion into small pieces.
- Peel off the skin from the garlic.
- Wash and clean two mushrooms well and cut into small pieces.
- In a frying pan put some oil.
- Add onion, garlic and mushroom pieces and fry for five minutes.
- Add enough water and salt and cook till the mushrooms become soft.
- Allow them to cool and grind them in the mixi into a fine paste.
- Add enough water and milk to make a smooth mixture.
- Add dried basil and pepper powder to the mushroom mixture and boil for five minutes.
- Chop two more mushrooms into fine pieces and keep it aside.
- In another frying pan, put ghee and add the chopped mushroom pieces.
- Fry till it turns golden brown.
- Add the fried mushroom to the soup.
- Serve hot with whole wheat bread or sandwiches.


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Love is the most beautiful and also the most challenging topic to write about. Why? Because there are so many misconceptions, so many false interpretations about love out there. Sorting them out in one blog post is almost impossible. But to shed light on a few dimensions that are essential and inspiring – that's what I'm trying to do here.
Common Misconceptions
Most of the time, love is connected to a relationship to another person. This belief is closely connected to the idea of the "perfect man" or the "perfect woman". Finding this perfect person, happiness seems to be guaranteed. This is what daily trivia and many Hollywood blockbusters are all about…
Let's uncover a few false belief systems.
Happiness comes from within, it should never depend on another person. If you cannot be happy with yourself, how should you ever be happy with another person? Instead, happiness is a state of being, it's an attitude. It's being aware of the fact that most of the time, it's not what happens to us. It's more about how we respond to what happens to us, and that's our choice. Happiness comes when our heart, our mind and our actions are well aligned. Therefore happiness doesn't depend on another person.
"Love has nothing to do with the other. A loving person simply loves, just as an alive person breathes and drinks and eats and sleeps. Exactly like that, a really alive person, a loving person, loves."
— Osho
Love is not something to be projected to another person. Instead, love is an energy flowing within us. It's a natural function. We are born with love as we are born with trust, but we need to develop both on our own.
Demanding perfection is another misconception. Look around how many people take others for granted, showing no gratitude, no awareness at all. Another attitude that's based on false belief systems, how men and women should behave in a relationship and in a certain society. Those stories were told to us, over and over again. What's the good thing with that? Stories can be changed. Develop a new level of awareness and appreciate what a person who loves you, is doing for you. Nothing is self-evident. Love needs a climate of gratitude, love needs a non-demanding atmosphere to grow.
Another false belief is to focus on how to get love. It's closely related to the perfect man and perfect woman belief. How to get to this person? Why not changing the approach fundamentally?
Why not start giving?
"That's how love grows. Give, and don't wait to see how much you can grab. Yes, it comes, it comes a thousand fold, but it comes naturally. It comes on its own, there is no need to demand it."
Getting rid of those misconceptions is a "must have" challenge at some points in our lives. Those challenges come in iterations, triggered by people and life events, we were subconsciously looking for – to grow. These are experiences we have to make. Often, we discover ourselves in the other person in different forms and shapes. People who love are often a mirror for each other – a mirror that can be pretty challenging from time to time, a mirror that allows us to grow to a next level of understanding. Growth only happens, if we are open to it. Growth only happens, if we learn from what we see in the mirror. Every time you will learn a bit more, and you will get a deeper understanding. Now and then, that's a painful way to grow, but a necessary one. The pain of growth is decreasing in each iteration, and the joy, your overflowing heart of love is increasing. A beautiful journey of personal, spiritual growth.
Growing this way, love is experienced and practiced differently. It becomes a state of being, it becomes a practice that goes way beyond relationships to other people, it's becomes the core value of being, of living your life. Then, you are love. Two fundamental consequences can experienced along this journey:
Love transforms
As mentioned above, love is not something to be searched for in another being to combat loneliness or unhappiness. Instead, love is in your heart, but it needs to be unleashed, it needs to be liberated from misconceptions. Love has a tremendous transformational power. It allows you to touch your inner completeness. It allows you to find the key – for whatever you are seeking for – within you. That's discovering aloneness, which means nothing else than to be complete.
"Real love is not a search to combat loneliness. Real love is to transform loneliness into aloneness, to help the other."
Love's transformational power is so essential to understand, because it connects all areas of our lives. Love is our life energy that connects the dots between the personal life and the professional life.
Understanding love as being love is what enables creativity, and personal transformation. Being love is the prerequisite to your creativity, to develop your creativity to another level, where creative energy is just flowing through you. And that doesn't come from many activities, it comes more from meaningful actions. That includes to accept that some things just happen and that not everything can be planned, done and controlled. This is what our mind always wants to do – to control. Let your heart lead your mind, but not the other way around. If so, your mind could control too much, your mind could prevent you from experiencing this amazing journey of personal, spiritual growth of being love.
Love strengthens freedom
Finally, experiencing love as being love – love and freedom are two sides of the same coin.
"Love allows freedom; not only allows, but strengthens freedom. And anything that destroys freedom is not love. It must be something else. Love and freedom go together, they are two wings of the same bird."
Experiencing love as a state of being, as a transformational energy is key to what we need to change in this century. Experiencing ourselves as spiritual beings, getting rid of love misconceptions is essential to master this century's challenges, regarding all aspects of our existence on Earth.
We need leadership that allows playfulness, leadership that leverages people's individual creativity, leadership that engages people to drive transformation towards a better future. We need leadership that is based on authenticity and integrity, we need leadership that leverages the power of communities and networks. We need leadership that is based on freedom, not on driving fear. This kind of leadership should be based on love…
Stay tuned – next time we will talk about consciousness!


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loosing my political naïveté
And now comes the news that the U.S. government has issued a formal indictment and a request to Hong Kong to arrest him and hold him for extradition back to the U.S. I don't know if this will do any good, but I am repeating what the ACLU sent out earlier today.
Dear Friends,
Edward Snowden risked everything to expose the secret NSA spying program which surveils our calls and emails. Last night, we learned what shape those risks would take—in a late night news release the Administration hoped we wouldn't notice.
Snowden has been called a "traitor" by politicians and had his personal safety threatened. Now he's been formally charged with violating the Espionage Act—the same law used to charge Bradley Manning, who provided information to WikiLeaks.
For his trouble, Manning was held in solitary confinement for 23 hours per day and forced to sleep naked and sheetless, in conditions even a military judge called "excessive."
By bringing to light information that the powers-that-be would rather keep secret, whistleblowers like Snowden play a fundamental role in our democracy. We can't just let them be thrown into darkness.
As the Department of Justice moves in on Snowden, we need to raise our voices to ensure that Snowden is treated fairly and legally, and that the massive abuse of government power, that he risked his safety to expose, finally comes to an end.
Dear President Obama
We stand opposed to any attempt to treat Edward Snowden as a traitor. Our government must also not pursue the case against him outside the ordinary course of American justice. He is entitled to the rule of law and constitutional protections that so many before us died to defend.
Snowden is innocent until proven guilty before a court of law and he must be afforded all of his rights as an American citizen. If he is brought to an American court, he must be afforded every opportunity to defend himself and convince a judge that what he did was justifiable and patriotic, even if he is charged with violating laws that themselves pose a threat to our democracy.
Finally, we say as Americans that we are tired of seeing liberty sacrificed on the altar of security and having a handful of lawmakers decide what we should and should not know. We are tired of living in a nation governed by fear instead of the principles of freedom and liberty that made this nation great.
Of all the terrible things that Snowden has to fear, he has told us: "The greatest fear I have…is that nothing will change."
I have a feeling that nothing will really change. As a side-line observer of the military/industrial complex for the last 40 or so years, I've watched an unholy alliance between contractors and the military build gold-plated and highly expensive weapon's systems. Once those weapon systems are "programs of record," they become almost impossible to eliminate; even if they are they come back as something slightly different, defeating the purpose of killing the program. The same thing has been happening for the past 20 years in national security, accelerated tremendously by 9/11.
Representatives for the intelligence community as well as their allied contractors have painted grim pictures in secret meetings behind closed doors on Capital Hill. Because of the secrecy there has been no public debate, no one to challenge the assumptions. Because of the secrecy combined with House and Senate culpable stupidity, the intelligence community and the contractor minions have managed to get everything they want, made "legal" by having Congress and two administrations pass laws to subvert and sidestep the first, second, and fourth amendments to the constitution. Billions have been secretly spent building these systems, billions more are spent running and maintaining them, and too many pigs at this particular federal trough will keep it going no matter what, all in the name of "protecting America."
I've been drifting away from the Democratic party for some years now, starting mid-way in Obama's first term as president. It was about that time I also joined the ACLU. The Snowden leaks and Obama's explicit support of the NSA is the last straw. My split from the Democratic party complete. I'm an Independent. There's no sense in going towards the Republican party since they've had an equal hand in establishing our current Dystopian States of America.
Update 23 June
Booz Allen Hamilton illustrates the current unethical linkage between civilian contractor industry and the government. John McConnell spent his career in the government, receiving a commission in the United States Navy in 1967 (I was in the seventh grade at the time). From 1992 to 1996 he served as director of the NSA, retiring in 1996 after 29 years of service. There's nothing wrong with a career in the government or the military in general. But when he retired in 1996 he joined Booz Allen Hamilton, and was employed by them until 2007 when President Bush appointed him the second Director of National Intelligence, giving him oversight and leadership over the NSA. He stayed as DNI for the next two years, bridging the Bush and Obama administrations. When he left the position in 2009 he returned to Booz Allen Hamilton as executive vice president. Today he serves as BAH's vice chairman.
During those years Booz Allen grew to become the number one contractor to the government side of the intelligence community. Call me old fashioned, but intelligence should not be doled out to civilian contracting agencies the way bombs and bullets are. The government should have tighter control, and be held more accountable because of the gross constitutional abuses that have taken place. That won't necessary stop the NSA or its sister organizations, the CIA, FBI, and DCI, but it might, if we can elect people to federal government who have backbones and brains.
John Michael McConnell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Michael_McConnell
John M. (Mike) McConnell - Booz Allen http://www.boozallen.com/about/leadership/executive-leadership/McConnell
Update #2 23 June
Eward Snowden is on his way out of Hong Kong, after Hong Kong denied the U.S. request to hold him for extradition. He's left Hong Kong on Aeroflot, and according to Reuters his possible destinations include Cuba and Venezuela. I don't know about you, but Venezuela is the last place I'd want to head to if I were in the run. The Bangor (Maine) Daily News reports that Iceland may also be one of his destinations, which makes a lot more sense, considering the physical route he'll take as well as recent efforts in Iceland to offer him diplomatic asylum (they granted full citizenship for Bobby Fischer in 2005 to get him out of Japan and away from Japanese/American custody).
Snowden leaves Hong Kong, may head for Venezuela http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/23/us-usa-security-flight-idUSBRE95M02H20130623
Hong Kong lets Snowden leave, with Cuba, Iceland among possible destinations http://bangordailynews.com/2013/06/23/news/world-news/hong-kong-lets-nsa-leak-edward-snowden-leave-with-cuba-iceland-among-possible-destinations/
I found a digital copy of the Obama Hope poster on the Internets and then used Photoshop to simply cover Hope and add Lies to the poster. The font is Nevis and can be found here.


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I was pretty sure that Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Donder, and Blitzen would fail the names-of-our-faith test (though there is a Bl. Peter Donders), and Cupid isn't the angel he appears to be. But what about Rudolph? "Old" names are coming back into fashion, after all — names like Alice, Lucy, and Leo have been back for a while. Rudolph's peak in popularity was in 1926 and 1927 (charting at no. 111 both years, surely due to the death of actor Rudolph Valentino in 1926), just about twenty years or so after Alice, Lucy, and Leo's peaks in popularity, so it makes sense that names like Rudolph (and his peers Rita, Dorothy, and Louis, all of which I've heard on current babies) would be currently on the upswing. And how cute is the nickname Rudy?I did some research on how the name Rudolph was chosen for the reindeer, hoping to discover some wonderfully significant reason, but it seems his creator, Robert L. May, simply considered several R names (including Rodney, Rollo, Reginald, and even Romeo!) before settling on Rudolph for the story he was commissioned to write for Montgomery Ward as a holiday promotion for Christmas 1939. The song came ten years later, written by May's brother-in-law Johnny Marks and based on May's story—while Rodney and Rollo could fit into the tune of the existing song, the whole thing would have been different if the reindeer had been named Reginald or Romeo!
Even though Mr. May had no great reason for choosing Rudolph, we can bestow our own meaning, as there are a few holy men named Rudolph. They include St. Rudolph of Gubbio, who was a friend of St. Peter Damian and was known for his charity, and Bl. Rudolph Aquaviva, cousin of St. Aloysius Gonzaga, who preached the faith in India and was one of the Martyrs of Cuncolim.
With the recent story in the news about the five-year-old girl named Abcde (one of sixteen girls named Abcde in 2013), as well as all the other controversial and even unacceptable names bestowed on today's children, a name with the desirable characteristics of saintliness and Christmas cheer should have lots of fans! And indeed, forty-eight boys were named either Rudolph or Rudolf in 2017, up from forty-one in both 2016 and 2015. Perhaps the name of the most famous reindeer is starting to gain traction again after all, helping to guarantee that he'll go down in history!
Copyright 2018 Katherine Morna Towne


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Winter's almost here, many places in and around Princeton are hosting Holiday events starting December 5, 2009.
Dorothea's House -Polenta Fest Share your recipe for Polenta, an Italian dish and sample others.
Sunday December 6,2009 at 5:00 p.m.
To view last year's Polenta Fest photos, Type in search box on top right the words- Dorothea's House-Polenta Fest.
On December 5, 2009:
Arts Council of Princeton-" Sauce for the Goose"
Witherspoon Street, Princeton, N.J.
12/05/09 craft fair -paintings, drawings,jewelry, holiday ornaments, greeting cards, hats, and scarves. Gallery hours Mon- Fri to December 21st, 2009.
Polar Express train rides Saturdays and Sundays 11-28-12/20
Lehigh Junction , Phillipsburg nyswths.org/polarexpress.htm
Sinterclaus Brunch and Bazaar, Blawenburg Reformed Church
rt 518, Blawenburg http://www.blawenburgchurch.org
Medford Dickens festival December 5,2009
Stay tuned, I'll add more events tomorrow.


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The failure to clarify the country's tax levels and the overall uncertainty surrounding the economy further slowed Inland Southern California's manufacturing sector in December, keeping the level of activity below watermark that indicates growth.
The Purchasing Managers Index declined to 45.5 last month from 46 in November, the Institute of Applied Research at Cal State San Bernardino reported on Friday, Jan. 4. The index, a key measure of economic activity in Riverside and San Bernardino counties, has been below 50, the level that suggests expansion, for four consecutive months.
Economists consider any three-month stretch above or below the 50 mark to be an indication of a trend.
Cal State economists point to two key indicators that are dragging down the Inland area's index. There were sharp declines in new orders and production, and experts have said that the uncertainties surrounding this fall's election campaign and the acrimonious discussions over the so-called "fiscal cliff," which were not resolved until earlier this week, probably discouraged customers of the manufacturing sector from placing orders.
One positive sign is that the index that measures employment trends in Inland manufacturing increased in December. According to state data, the sector employs about 86,000 Inland workers.
Nationally, the index increased to 50.7 in December from 49.5 the previous month, the Tempe, Ariz.-based Institute for Supply Management reported earlier this week.
The national index was at 51.7 in October.
The Cal State report said area purchasing managers' optimism about the condition of the local economy for the coming quarter continues to deteriorate. Only 13 percent believe the economy will be stronger, they concluded (down from November's 16 percent), while 53 percent believe the economy will be weaker (up from 40 percent the previous month).
The report's authors said, however, that "a PMI over 42.6 percent generally indicates an expansion of the overall economy, thus the Inland Empire economy appears to be continuing its slow growth."


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I read couple weeks ago on Carroll Gardens Patch that there is a burger boom in my neighborhood. It does seem weird to have 4-5 new burger joints opening around the same time though only time will tell if any of these places last. Now, I do get asked a lot about what's my favorite burger. I usually have no answer for them. I simply do not have one or….I don't really pay attention to what's the best burger. I know where to get tasty burgers and where not to go. Also I tend to go to places I've been before so there are so many burgers I haven't tried.
Back to the article from Patch. From there I found that there is a new burger place on Court St close to 9th St called Dubuque (Down Under the Brooklyn Queens Expressway). I didn't think much about the place at first until people started to tell me how awesome the burgers were. So last week I went with Scott and Steph to check the place out.
The interior of Dubuque was very much the standard "Brooklyn" look, dark wood, a little classy and they even have their own hipster-y waiter that wore a flannel buttoned down shirt.
Anyways, on to the burgers!
I ordered the "Beef Burger Stuffed With Truffled Mushroom Duxelle with grilled marinated portobella mushrooms and brie". I have nothing to say but it was just fantastic! Juicy and perfectly medium rare. I was tempted to order another one.
Scott totally fell in love with his "Beef Burger Stuffed With Basil Pesto with grilled pancetta and taleggio cheese" and boldly said it was one of the best burgers he had ever had.
While not as enthusiastic as Scott, Steph really enjoyed her "Pork Burger with chorizo, arugula and romesco sauce". She said the chorizo actually had some heat in it.
But sadly it was a different story for the sides we ordered. For $6 we got a really small plate of mac n cheese, it was good but I wanted more. The fries ($3) were pretty standard stuff. I had also spotted their brussel sprouts and for $6 it looked small also. So…..next time I'll just stick with the fries.


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Collinwood, OH Terrible School Fire, Mar 1908
Broke from Fire Line as Flames Swept Up Stairway and a Panic Followed.
Parents Fight with Firemen in Desparate but Vain Effort to Rescue the Little Ones.
Special to The New York Times.
Cleveland, Ohio, March 4 -- In a fire that may have been incendiary between 160 and 170 children lost their lives this morning when Lake View School, in the suburb of Collinwood, burned.
Penned in narrow hallways and jammed up against doors that only opened inward, the pupils were killed by fire and smoke and crushed under the grinding heels of their panic-stricken playmates. All of the victims were between the ages of 6 and 14 years. There were about 310 children in the school.
Two teachers, in vain efforts to save the little ones perished. To-night 165 bodies are in the morgue at Collinwood, of which more than 100 have been identified and 57 are still unidentified. Thirteen children are still unaccounted for, and all the hospitals and houses for two miles around contained children, some mortally and many less seriously injured.
Fire's Origin a Mystery.
What caused the fire is a mystery. There are hints that it was incendiary. There were no wires to cross and ignite the woodwork. There was no rubbish where the flames began, to ignite from spontaneous combustion. All that now seems to be known is that three little girls coming from the basement saw smoke. Before the janitor sounded the fire alarm a mass of flames was sweeping up the stairway from the basement. Before the children from the upper floors could reach the ground egress was cut off and they perished. It was all over almost before the frantic mothers who gathered realized that their children were lost.
With the call for fire engines calls for ambulances were sent in. Every ambulance from the eastern end of Cleveland was pressed into service. Wagons were used to carry off the dead.
Rescuers were present by the hundreds, but they could not save the life of one child, so dense was the jam at the foot of the stairways.
The Lake View School was a three-story structure. Under the stairway in the front of the building was the furnace. Owing to the mild weather there was less fire than usual, and it is certain that the fire did not start there. On the first floor four rooms were in use when the fire started, and the children of this floor escaped with few exceptions. They believed the ringing of the fire gong was the usual fire drill signal and marched out in order. The pupils on the second and third floors became panic-stricken and rushed to death.
Rear Door Was Locked.
The number of pupils was more than normally large, and the smaller children had been placed in the upper part of the building. There was only one fire escape, and that was in the rear of the building. There were two stairways, one leading to a door in front and the other to a door in the rear. Both of these doors opened inward, and it is said that the rear door was locked as well.
When the flames were discovered the teachers, who throughout seem to have acted with courage and self-possession, and to have struggled heroically for the safety of their pupils, marshaled the little ones into columns for the "fire drill," which they had often practiced.
Unfortunately the line of march in this exercise had always led to the front door, and the children had not been trained to seek any other exit. The fire to-day came from directly under this part of the building.
When the children reached the foot of the stairs they found the flames close upon them, and so swift a rush was made for the door that in an instant a tightly packed mass of children was piled up against it. From that second none of those who were upon any portion of the first flight of stairs had a chance for their lives. The children at the foot of the stairs attempted to fight their way back to the floor above, while those who were coming down shoved them marcilessly back into the flames below.
In an instant there was a frightful panic, with 200 of the pupils fighting for their lives. Most of those who were killed died here. The greater part of those who escaped managed to turn back and reach the fire escape and the windows in the rear.
What happened at the foot of that first flight of stairs will never be known, for all of those who were caught in the full fury of the panic were killed. After the flames had died away, however, a huge heap of little bodies, burned by the fire and trampled into things of horror, told the tale.
As soon as the alarm was given MRS. KELLEY ran from her home, which is not far from the schoolhouse, to the burning building. The front portion of the structure was a mass of flames, and, frenzied by the screams of the fighting and dying children which reached her from the death trap at the foot of the first flight of stairs and behind that closed door, MRS. KELLEY ran to the rear, hoping to effect an entrance there and save her children.
She was joined by a man whose name is not known, and the two of them tugged and pulled frantically at the door. They were unable to move it in the slightest, and there was nothing at hand by which they could hope to break it down. In utter despair of saving any of the children, they turned their attention to the windows, and by smashing some of these they managed to save a few of the pupils.
"They could have saved many more," said MR. KELLEY to-night, "if the door had not been locked. Nobody knows how many of the children might have made their way out before my wife reached there if the door had not been locked. If half a dozen men had been there when my wife and her companion arrived at the schoolhouse, perhaps they might have broken down the door, but the two could do nothing, and the flames spread so rapidly that it was all over in a few minutes."
Parents Fight with Firemen.
The suburb of Collingwood contains about 8,000 people, and within a half hour after the outbreak of the fire nearly every one of them was gathered around the blazing ruins of the school house, hundreds of parents fighting frantically with the police and firemen who were busily engaged in saving the lives of the children caught in the burning building and doing their best to extinguish the fire.
The police were utterly unable through lack of numbers to keep away the crowd that pressed upon them, and the situation soon became so serious that a number of the more cool-headed men in the throng took it upon themselves to aid in fighting back the crowd, while others worked to help the firemen and the police.
Among the latter were WALLACE UPTON, who reached the building shortly after the front door had caved in, and disclosed to the horror-stricken crowd the awful scenes that had occurred there. Just in front of UPTON'S eyes was his own ten-year-old daughter, helpless in the crush, badly burned, and trampled upon, but still alive. The fire was close upon her, and if she could not be saved at once she could not be saved at all.
UPTON sprang to help her, and with all his strength sought to tear her from the weight that was pressing her down and from the flames which were creeping close. Although he worked with a desperation of despair, his strength was unequal to the task. He fought until his clothing was partly burned from him and the skin of his face and hands was scorched black. Other men attempted to induce him to move, but he refused until he saw that his girl was dead, and that he could not save her life by sacrificing his own. He then withdrew from the schoolhouse, and, although so seriously injured that he may die, lingered about the place for several hours, refusing to go to a hospital or to seek medical attention.
The New York Times New York 1908-03-05
Thank you.
I didn't realize that. I've seen several newspaper accounts about the doors. But, you know how it is, if there's an error in one account, it seems like its duplicated everywhere.
We type what the newspapers have, so often that leads to misspellings and incorrect information, just the way it was when the newspaper was originally printed.
Thanks for clearing this up.
Errors in school fire statements
There are several errors in this story.
Doors did not open inward, it was the back door where most of the children parrished. Children were pinned in the entrance way to the vestibule of the back door. As they pushed through the doorway someone stumbled and caused others to fall on top or attempted to crawl over fallen children to the point that the entrance way became blockd floor to top.
George J Neff Sr
Member of the Collinwood School Fire Cennteniel Commemoration Committee
Member of the Collinwood/Nottingham Historical Society


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Added all events
I've added all events that happen a fixed number of days after the beginning of the game to the timeline. Ausir 12:29, 28 May 2005 (CEST)
- New Plague outbreak problem - no date for this event at Denver design document.
- At the Quest section (page 65) - Recover Plague outbreak is journal entry: I found some evidence of a plague outbreak in Denver shortly before the War.
- War was beginned in 2066 (China invaded Alaska).
- (more details: Sawyer (when interviewed by you) connected Denver outbreak with Black Ghosts, similar incursion was described at Hoover Dam design document).
- I suggest to change a date for plague outbreak in Denver (2066 recommended, see: China) --dotz 14:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- I remember a while ago there being certain other 'footnote' historical references (such as PotUS telling everyone to get fluffed about the Oil reserves, and a couple days later getting pwned by congress when he was impeached for jaywalking. Was there a de-flavouring of the page or a lack of credability for the refrences? --Frostedfire 02:03, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
- The jaywalking part is still there: Timeline#2075. However, this is all from the Sierra Depot GNN transcript holodisk, which was declared as non-canon by Chris Avellone, as it contradicted the official timeline (the person who wrote it for FO2 didn't bother checking it against the timeline from FO1 design documents), so the official word is that it was modified by bored SAD soldiers. Ausir 02:11, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Date of Enclave's discovery of Mariposa
In Fallout 2 President Richardson says the Enclave found Mariposa "about 70 years ago", which places its discovery in around 2172. 184.108.40.206 19:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Civil Rights
If I am correct, the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964. This means, that, in the Fallout time line, African Americans never received equal rights to whites. Is this addressed anywhere in any game? 184.108.40.206 00:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
- It was not addressed in any game, but it certainly is possible (or maybe they did, but much later). Ausir 01:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
- It seems to be an area of question, but I don't think it would matter anymore though. Anyone else have an interpenetration on this little conundrum? 22.214.171.124 06:24, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- I always imagined that Civil Rights passed easily, maybe even probably before 1964. It would be a way to reasonably keep the 1950s society going, if African Americans have no reason to organize and protest, no reason to militarize to get rights, ect. then one part of the 1960s cultural revolution would have not have happened. 18.104.22.168 02:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- It seems to be an area of question, but I don't think it would matter anymore though. Anyone else have an interpenetration on this little conundrum? 22.214.171.124 06:24, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Due to the facts that racial segregation is neither mentioned nor shown in the fallout universe, (Including few or no racist characters, no seperate bathrooms/drinking fountains/etc. for whites/blacks, no documentation of any civil rights movements, etc.) I believe that some time after Lincoln freed the slaves, blacks gained equal rights without the need for a seperate movement. JAG90 22:53, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
- The timeline diverged after WW2, not in Lincoln's times. Ausir(talk) 23:03, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
- That doesn't mean they couldn't have had their own movement or laws passed. AG90's wording was weird and sounded wrong. But I'm sure he simply meant what i said. 22.214.171.124 10:23, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
- The timeline diverged after WW2, not in Lincoln's times. Ausir(talk) 23:03, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
JAG90* sorry 22.214.171.124 10:24, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
MacCready becoming mayor of Little Lamplight
Seems we have a bit of contradicting info here.
The official guide states: "He has served as the mayor of Little Lamplight for two years (since he was 10)" and as Fallout 3 starts in 2277 this would mean he became mayor in 2275. However, the timeline states he became mayor in 2274, citing his dialogue in the game. Can somebody verfiy the latter? // Porter21 U | T 21:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Looked it up, he indeed states he has been mayor for three years at the time of FO3 so I guess that's what canonical. // Porter21 U | T 21:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Yup, I generally consider the guide canon only when it doesn't contradict the game itself (since, while co-written by the devs, it's based on an early build of the game, and has some other mistakes here and there). Of course, it could also mean that McCready can't count properly. :) Ausir 21:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
That's pretty plausible Ausir. Seeing as how the only knowledge they have is from what they scavenge from outside, the old books, and what ever is passed down.--JimmyBassatti 21:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Game icons
Please don't add the game icons to the timeline. I was the one who started adding them a long time ago, but now I feel that they're cluttering the page too much and they're unnecessary - the references are enough. Also, why did you add {{Sources}} to the top of the article? Which facts do you think need verification? Adding it to the top of the timeline is not helpful, if you think some facts are wrong, just mention it on the talk page. Ausir 19:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
As it stands the Timeline is unclear. The canonicity of certain details are questionable or simply missing. Every single piece of information should be able to be referenced to a specific game or document; the {{Sources}} is the most applicable code I could find. Ugly references included in-timeline should be cleaned up with <ref></ref> codes. The mini icons are a convenient way to identify quickly which game or document each specific point derives from. This is helpful for those who are building mods or using it at as a reference and wish to discount Fallout Bible or Van Buren timeline references. ABCoLD 19:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- While there are elements of the Fallout Bible which are not considered canon (or at least not entirely), particularly Chris Avellone's Q&A sessions, the Fallout Bible timeline is based on Fallout 1 and 2 design documents, particularly on Scott Campbell and Brian Freyermuth's FO1 timeline and is definitely canon, referenced numerous times by Bethesda as well (and from what I gather from my discussions with the developers, they do consider it canon). There is no reason to discount it, since without it, there wouldn't even be a timeline page.
- I guess we could add the icons for Van Buren and Fallout Tactics in order to indicate their non-canon or semi-canon status, but I'd leave the canon sources (including the FOB timeline) without any - only for sources for which we have canonicity warnings in other articles.
- Any information that is not referenced is most likely from the Fallout Bible timeline. Ausir 19:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- That's fine. I would like to leave the {{Sources}} in place though until each entry in the timeline has an appropriate <ref></ref> code. Otherwise it's difficult for new people, or those not fully versed in every facet of Fallout, to be confused as to the source of various claims or statements. ABCoLD 19:29, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- I think the {{Cleanup}} tag I added is more appropriate. Ausir 19:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- That's fine. I would like to leave the {{Sources}} in place though until each entry in the timeline has an appropriate <ref></ref> code. Otherwise it's difficult for new people, or those not fully versed in every facet of Fallout, to be confused as to the source of various claims or statements. ABCoLD 19:29, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Thirteen commonwealths
The thing about the division of the country into thirteen commonwealths is something that Leon Boyarsky came up during the development of FO1 and what was behind the idea of the original picture with the flag, so I restored it and changed the ref accordingly. I kept your change of 14 stars to 13 stars, since, while based on a mistake that Chris Avellone made by JE Sawyer and Tramell Isaac later corrected, I guess it is the only version of the flag seen fully in a game, so it's canon now. Still consistent with 13 commonwealths, though, as the middle flag might stand for the Columbia commonwealth that includes the nation's capital. Ausir 23:11, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- I don't dispute that 13 commonwealths existed, or anything of that sort. I was simply pointing out that the fact that 13 stars are on the flag doesn't mean that there are 13 superstates. It's like stating that because we have three types of Whopper Hamburgers that there are X number of cows. I'd prefer it if the confusion about superstates be kept on the United States page. As it is the timeline seems to mistakenly suggest that the existence of the 13 superstates was definitively proven in the exhibit. (As it stands Bethesda could simply decide that the nation liked the Cowpens flag enough to continue to use it. This seems to be the case, but again is a matter of discussion for the United States page. :) ABCoLD 23:36, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- The timeline diverged some time after WW2, so they couldn't have "continued to use" the Cowpens flag. And Leon Boyarsky did say that the flag was changed because of the reorganization of the country into 13 superstates. I don't see why the flag would be changed first and country reorganized to match it second.
- This is not canon, of course, but I tend to think that Richard Nixon won the 1960 election in the Fallout universe and was the one to reorganize the country. Would have been pretty funny to see a big Nixon Memorial in Washington, DC in FO3. :) Ausir 23:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Ausir is right. The Thirteen Commonwealths approach has been STATED by a FALLOUT DEVELOPER to be the one they used when creating the USA in the Fallout world. Your doubts are irrelevant - the devs have spoken, and this is the way it is. Shaur M. S. Grizlin 23:41, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Admittedly, the 13-star flag being used in the Museum of Technology could have simply been a mistake by the designers, who intended to have the commonwealths and new flag introduced later but forgot to make the Virgo II flag a 50-star one, and just used the only US flag texture they had. I'd assume that it's not a mistake for now, but I'll check with the devs to be sure. Ausir 23:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Ausir is right. The Thirteen Commonwealths approach has been STATED by a FALLOUT DEVELOPER to be the one they used when creating the USA in the Fallout world. Your doubts are irrelevant - the devs have spoken, and this is the way it is. Shaur M. S. Grizlin 23:41, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
References and notes
R & N section is messed up...--Cc123 05:40, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
2272: Three Dog starts GNR. Is there any concrete evidence to this? All he says is that "even if you disregarded everything I said in the past five years" and that could mean anything; since he's talking about the Enclave, it could mark that he started preaching anti-Eden propaganda in that year.--Amitakartok 20:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
uhm, something random here i've seen that after talking to some of the people from the citadel in fallout 3 (namely scribe bowditch) that the outcasts left the capital wasteland brotherhood of steel at 2276 so maybe someone can like put it in the timeline if they want 184.108.40.206 01:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)--18.104.22.168 01:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thats the 17th century...
seriously someone needs to change that. 1697 is not the 15th century, its the 17th. i tried editing it but the page is locked -Snufleufugus
- Thanks
I do not think Amata was born in the same year like the player char. On his 10th birthday she still was 9 or younger because she did not wear a pip boy.
- On the other hand, isn't it mentioned that they've been friends since they were born? And do I remember completely wrong when I say that some of the others at Vault Dweller's age doesn't have a Pip-Boy either? -=KAG=-The VaultNO 01:21, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
- Just because she was younger than the LW doesn't mean she wasn't born in the same year. She could simply be a few months younger. Ausir(talk) 01:28, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
- Ausir is right! the timeline says that amata was born in the same year as the lone wanderer, however the order puts amata's birth after the lone wanderer's. therefore, amata would be 9 on the lone wanderer's 10th birthday. Wrpen-99 13:29, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
(it also says in the beginning of the game when james says to the player "..come now lets go play with ur friend amata." so when the player is 1 she is alive.
What do you guys think about removing birthdates of minor characters, and leaving only the most important ones? They just clutter the page. Ausir(talk) 01:26, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
- Make a separate page linked to from the bottom: Birthdates. Wouldn't hurt. Tagaziel (call!) 08:01, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
Point of Divergence
Waaaaaait wait wait wait. Mothership Zeta added a new thing into the Fallout universe that was BEFORE the divergence yet didn't happen in OUR world. Andrew Endicott should exist in our world too, and he should at least supposedly be abducted, or otherwise "disappear". This kind of screws up the whole Divergence thing... But I like the divergence! It adds a new dimension to Fallout... Domn-117 18:17, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
- It's a bit of a stretch to think that every missing person from the 17th century would be known today. Deadlykris 02:50, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
"End" of Fallout 3/Broken Steel
Where do we set the mark when Fallout 3 and/or Broken Steel end? I know it's open-ended and may take any amount of time, but as far as I know it's the same for FO2. How was that end point determined? -- Porter21 (talk) 11:56, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
- The end point for Fallout 2 was given by Chris Avellone in the Fallout Bible. So we won't have a similar date for Fallout 3 unless Bethesda gives us one. Ausir(talk) 14:33, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I guess we could still give an estimated end (like the one for FOT). It just looks weird having the start in the timeline but no end; maybe that's just me though ;) Maybe we could hold a poll in the next Weekly Digest on which ingame date people finished all add-ons and the main quest? Not sure about including Point Lookout though, it heavily distorts the end time because a single journey to Point Lookout (or from Point Lookout to the Capital Wasteland) takes a whole month of ingame time. -- Porter21 (talk) 17:13, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
- actually, there is no way of knowing when the game ends take place. fallout 3's end could take place as far as (and farther than) 2080, if the player waits long enough. broken steel could likewise end in the same year! this all depends on how long the player waits. Wrpen-99 13:33, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
Great War
I've realized that the clocks in FO3 may all have the same time set on them, and if they do, I think that it may be safe to say that the world was nuked at approx. that time. If not, then simply forget it.--Master of cheeZ 21:26, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
Harold and Oasis
I was reading through and came across a problem and I'm not sure if I'm reading it wrong or if it's wrong.
According to the timeline Harold did not appear in the Capitol Wastes until 2277, dispite saying he's been stuck in the ground for decades and Three Dog saying he saw the Oasis years ago.
Also according to the timeline Bloomseer Poplar arrived in the Oasis in 2252, 25 years before Harold arrived there.
Point of Divergence Theory
Much of what I've read about the Fallout series timeline states that the point of divergence is sometime after World War II. The first thing that comes to my mind when pondering the topic is the actual historical occurrence of the atom bombs dropped on Japan at WWII's climax. It got me thinking. I have not read or seen where the Fallout series mentions those bombs being dropped specifically. I have concluded and believe that the exact moment of divergence is the dropping of the "little boy" atomic bomb on Hiroshima. According to the Fallout mythos and more specifically the Children of Atom doctrine, when an atom bomb is detonated it creates an entirely new universe full of life. If this were the case, then when "little boy" was detonated it could've split the timeline into the two diverging ones, our own and the fallout timeline, where "fat man" was never dropped on Nagasaki but instead developed into a personal nuclear weapon. Continuing with this logic, would mean that every nuclear bomb dropped during the "Great War" would also create divergent timelines, this could account for the minor differences made by the player within each Fallout game. --Truesdmj 17:21, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
- As with any thoery, it's mostly just your own personal speculations. The theory must be supported by game evidence to be accepted. The fact that the atomic bomb drops on Japan in WWII were never mentioned in any Fallout doesn't mean that they didn't occur. It might have just never came up by any character to mention that. Or, since the game takes place so many years post-Great War, new generations of people were born and live in desolete wastelands; they simply might not have read any history books at all, i.e. are not educated about this historical event, plus all they care nowadays is avoiding the next raider attack. ;) Plus, the Children of the Atom are just some dulusional religious crazies, you can't take any of their theories for granted. We don't really know if there was no "Fat Man" nuclear bomb. Maybe the mini-nuke launcher was named in honor of it? Aren't you talking LOST here with all its "drop a nuke, create an alternate timeline" stuff? ;) --TheBearPaw 23:39, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
- Hiroshima bomb is mentioned in Fallout 3. " I am fully confident that the presence of Liberty Prime at the Anchorage Front line will be to the Chinese what the Hiroshima bomb was to the Japanese in 1945. " Ausir(talk) 00:58, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
- Heh... I actually wasn't thinking about "Lost" when I came up with this theory. But as I stated it's just a theory that makes sense to me, I wasn't trying to make anyone accept it. Now if the Nagasaki bombing will be mentioned in any future games then my theory is debunked, but until then I like the idea of it.Truesdmj 20:18, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
I noticed some additions to the timeline based on non-released content, for example Fallout: Resource Wars - like this. I believe this "Timeline" article should list only the canonic events, right? All the scrapped or unfulfilled ideas are pretty much meaninglesss and threaten the integrity of the article. What d'ya say? --TheBearPaw 10:37, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, unlike Van Buren, F:RW was never more than a hypothetical project, so it shouldn't be there. Ausir(talk) 09:21, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
Revisions and Corrections
Why is this page protected form all editing? It needs some serious grammar checking, general improvement of the writing, and removal of redundancies and irrelevant information. DrMorbius 01:44, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
Van Buren?
Why is there so much Van Buren info on the page? Isn't it all non-canon, and contradicted by Fallout 3 and New Vegas? Revolverman 06:32, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- It's not considered fully canon, but it has been referenced in both Fallout 3 and New Vegas and so far it hasn't been contradicted in any way. Ausir(talk) 09:21, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- There are two instances of there being a last manned mission to the moon, one in 2020 and another in 2052. Which is correct?
- The 1945 discription states that the Fallout timeline diverges at this point. It may have been correct considering the time the Fallout bible was written at, but the later Fallout games changed this. Maybe state that there timeline began to diverge in ernest rather than stating that this is point where it began to diverge as this is plainly untrue.
"The ghouls of Capital Wasteland are driven underground by hostile mutants and humans, forming the Underworld in the Museum of History" I thought a group of ghouls took refuge there and started the ghoulification process and then it just became a home to ghouls. 18.104.22.168 15:42, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
Ghouls being Ghoulified? De Accipitre Deserta 21:30, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
It says that this is when the Vault Dweller was sent out, except that happened way before fallout 3 started. Am I just overlooking something here or what?
- 2277 is when Vault 13 was originally scheduled to open in the Vault Experiment. Ausir(talk) 21:19, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
Closing of US borders
According to the GURPS timeline, the US closed its borders in 2052 for unspecified reasons, but then FO1 and the Fallout Bible contradict that by stating that the borders are closed again in 2053 to quarantine the New Plague. Should the 2052 entry be removed? Nitty Tok. 01:01, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Eh, forget all you guys. I've removed the GURPS date in favour of the F1 and Bible date. Nitty Tok. 03:41, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
This is the time all clocks in Capital Wasteland are locked at, if you look closely on some of the clocks that appears in the buildings.
I guess this is the time the bombs struck DC area, 2 minutes after the first bomb (in east coast 10:47 PDT+1)
Some clocks ingame marks 2 or 3 seconds after.
As we know, one side effect of a nuclear blast is stopping all clocks at the time, just like it happened in Hiroshima, so this should be noted, by putting a note First Bomb: 10:47 PDT+1 at the 2077 section.Wertoret 15:04, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
- Why would the Capital Wasteland's clocks be set to Pacific Daylight Time? They'd be set to Eastern Standard Time at that time of the year; the change that expanded DST in our universe isn't known to have happened in the Fallout universe. --Kris 15:30, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
it's a cycle of "mourning", not of morning.
- Not sure why you thought it was easier to comment on it here rather than fix it. At any rate I took care of it. --Kris 15:11, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
Ian and Dogmeat die during the course of Fallout 1?
Er, the time table says that Ian and Dogmeat died during the course of Fallout 1, but aren't they still alive in Fallout 2?
- Ian was planned to appear in FO2, but was eventually cut from the final version. And Dogmeat's appearance in the special encounter in FO2 is an easter egg, not a canon appearance. Ausir(talk) 12:23, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
Which Commentarii?
- Begin history nerd speech here* Julius Caesar wrote two books named 'Commentarii', one was about the Gallic wars and the other was about the Roman Civil War. /endnerdspeech. Does the source (I assume the guidebook), say which one. Or do I know more about history than Prima does :) FinalWish 19:06, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
This article is complete garbage, shouldn't there be some mention of some sort of apocalyptic event in the 60's? You know the event that stopped culture from progressing and therefore left the fallout world permanently in the 1960's? i.e still listening to Frank Sinatra ect....?!!?!
- I'd always assumed it probably started with the U.S. either winning the Vietnam War, or brutally crushing the counterculture movement on the homefront. --GaussRifle 19:33, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
Berlin wall
In are universe it came down in 1989 but what about the Fallout universe --Owen1983 19:25, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
- It might not have even been built. Evidence suggests that the U.S. and Soviet Union had a decent relationship after the war, and the universe had already significantly diverged by 1961 (When the wall went up). --GaussRifle 19:35, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
Fallout New Vegas Companions births
We should include the birth of the companions of Fallout New Vegas in the timeline.
Ausir's revert
I don't know if you've looked at the diff, but the changes to the article are possibly more substantial than you realised, and despite any perceived flaws, produce a net improvement. Additionally, while it is simple to add the removed paragraph from the top and cite things like information that was previously uncited and remove information that contradicts canon, it requires far more work to make the changes again minus said information, as it took at least a couple of hours before. The perceived problems could have been rectified without a destructive revert. The main changes were as follows:
- Greatly shortened the opening section, because as I explained on Gothemasticator's talk page, there is a lengthy references section, and the listed sources no longer adequately describe where the bulk of the article's information came from. To list all of the sources would obviously be impractical, that's why the references section exists.
- Made the formatting of all the dates uniform. This include making known dates bold, and moving undated events to the top of their year's section above the dated events (with a few exceptions, such as undated events which were known to take place sometime after dated events).
- Spaced each entry evenly, making not much difference to the end user but making the article a lot easier to follow for editors.
- Removed some entries which were endings of FO1 and FO2 that had not been confirmed by later canon sources (or even contradicted).
- Added a lot of wikilinks to articles that were unlinked, and removed overlinking.
- Added dates from the Jericho, Burham Springs, B.O.M.B.-001 and New Canaan documents, as well as misc. other dates from other design documents which for whatever reason were not cited.
- Added FO1 and FO2 endings that had been confirmed by canon sources (as noted in the games' ending articles).
And about the Jericho dates, I thought the whole point of the Van Buren icon was to denote that the information is from VB and therefore not necessarily canon. As long as that is noted, what is the problem with including the event? You could even put a note on the Jericho citation saying how it contradicts canon, which IMO would be better than removing it outright. I would be happy to address any concerns with the article, but I firmly believe that the changes were overall positive. The article as it currently stands has far more issues, imo, than my revision - I wouldn't have made the edits in the first place had I not thought that. --Flower of Pock-Lips 17:54, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
- Dates from Van Buren and other non-canon sources are to be included in the timeline only if they do not contradict canon sources (otherwise we'd also have two dates for things like the founding of Caesar's Legion etc.). The New Canaan and Jericho design documents are entirely contradictory to each other, as New Canaan was merged into Jericho during late development stages because of time constraints. Including information from both of them on the same timeline would be utterly confusing to the readers, especially given that you did not even include references for the Jericho additions. Since we know that New Canaan still exists by 2281 from New Vegas, we can entirely discard the Jericho document as contradictory to canon. J.E. Sawyer obviously considers his own pre-merge New Canaan document to be the canon history of that town.
- Furthermore, I decided to exclude some of the Van Buren events (such as quite a few of the Burham Springs ones) from this timeline altogether because they were not relevant enough to anything other than their own locations in a canceled game. This timeline is already rather lengthy and I think such trimming was necessary (just like the removal of most of the birthdates from the main timeline). Perhaps it would be a good idea to create a separate Van Buren timeline page, which would include even events contradicted or changed in New Vegas (although even then I'd exclude Jericho design document and include the New Canaan one).
- The opening section is there for a reason. There is a difference between indicating references and indicating origin. This timeline is originally based on Chris Avellone's timeline, which was the first attempt to create a coherent timeline of events in the Fallout universe since early stages of development of the first game, and it's in turn based on the Campbell/Freyermuth original timeline. This is independent from references for individual events - it is meant to describe the behind the scenes history of the compilation of this timeline. Even for timeline entries copied directly from the Fallout Bible, we often don't cite it as such, as citations to in-game mentions are preferred. In normal articles, such information would be placed in a "Behind the scenes" section below the main content, but in this case I think it should stay at the top. But it definitely should not be removed.
- As I said before, before such major rewrites or important articles like this one or the one at Harold, you should have discussed it on the talk page or forum first. This is a wiki, but some changes have big enough impact to be discussed first before you actually undertake them. Ausir(talk) 18:12, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
- Ugh, I really really hate the bolding of content text, even for know dates. I also hate long intros just as much, they should be short sweet and to the point on the subject and nothing more. What one person might find of interest, another may not and the intro will most likely always be read by the viewer as they are perceived as being vital information, but more often is the case that it isnt. I would suggest the shorten intro followed by a origins section appropriately title, that way the reader will know what the information is about and can make the choice to read it. On a side note I have replaced all the VB icon with the proper
{{icon}}template. ☣Avatar☣ 05:42, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
- Ugh, I really really hate the bolding of content text, even for know dates. I also hate long intros just as much, they should be short sweet and to the point on the subject and nothing more. What one person might find of interest, another may not and the intro will most likely always be read by the viewer as they are perceived as being vital information, but more often is the case that it isnt. I would suggest the shorten intro followed by a origins section appropriately title, that way the reader will know what the information is about and can make the choice to read it. On a side note I have replaced all the VB icon with the proper
- I don't have much of a preference for or against bolding of dates. As for the intro, I don't mind it being moved to a separate section, I only object to it being removed altogether. As for
{{icon}}, perhaps also add a tooltip indicating the uncertain canon status? Ausir(talk) 16:23, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't have much of a preference for or against bolding of dates. As for the intro, I don't mind it being moved to a separate section, I only object to it being removed altogether. As for
- I've created a draft page at User:Flower of Pock-Lips/Timeline. Let me know what you think of it. --Flower of Pock-Lips 16:25, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
- Ausir, thats why I replaced all the icons that where using [[File:xxx.xxx]] with
{{icon}}, as that has tool tips that says what VB icon is (a lot of readers don't know). As for canonicity, that really needs to be done with
{{VB}}and kinda negates the use of the icons. The only thing I can think of, is if Porter wants to put and switch in
{{VB}}that allows only the icon showing with the text being moved to a tool tip. Flowers, do we really need images on a timeline. The timeline should really be providing a very brief description of the event and a link to the page. 21:53, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
- Ausir, thats why I replaced all the icons that where using [[File:xxx.xxx]] with
- I'm ambivalent about the images. I just thought they would be nice to illustrate the more major events. It's the other changes that I'm more concerned about keeping everyone happy with, I don't want to step on any toes. --Flower of Pock-Lips 13:08, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
Problem with images is that once you start to add them, then everyone does. Considering the amount of information contained in this page, the page is going to get cluttered pretty quick and actually detract from the information within. The other concern is formatting for both skins as well as in general, images will push the next one down and no longer be connected to what they represent. Other than that, looks pretty good although I would personally cut down some of the information. Some of it is far to descriptive of the event, at the end of the day this really should be viewed as a index of events and provide the basic information and links to more detailed information. 03:17, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree. I also think it's best not to include images in the timeline. As for icon tooltip, I was thinking of something like this: Ausir(talk) 03:25, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
time line correction
its safe to assume for fallout 3 the 5 dlcs take place in order of release therefore pl and mz both take place after broken steel
Timeline muckup
Sorry but there no way all the DLC are before 82. it takes 15 days just to get to zion then antoher 15 days to get back.
creation of abominations
now borous was not very exact but i remember him saying that in 2003 or sometime around 2003 he said that he created cazadors and nightstalkers now should this be added to the timeline because we have the creation of nuka cola and sunset sarsparilla on there the creation of abominaitions should be on the list to dont you think.--Corporal grif 03:47, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
- It was already placed there and then removed. The reason being is that Mobius fiddled around with the other think tanks chronometers, affecting their sense of time, so we can't be so sure if the information given by Borous is accurate or not. --Kastera (talk) 06:02, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
Despite what was said above, I believe we really need to discuss whether to keep the Battle of Hoover Dam as happening in 2282, or if we should revert it to 2281.
According to the sunset sarsparilla article it is unclear if sunset sarsparilla actually entered production or was created as a family recipe in 1918. The latter fits in with Festus's story better. Should the timeline be changed to say "Sunset Sarsperilla established" instead of "Sunset Sarsperilla enters production" in 1918? --Wesley.Jessup 08:50, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
Fallout 3 ending?
Can we stop saying that Mothership Zeta (add-on) is the ending of Fallout 3 as it is just a piece of downloadable content.
Date the Courier was shot
Where does it say that the Courier was shot by Benny on October 11, 2281? -Mark 184.108.40.206 02:39, October 29, 2011 (UTC)
Under 1948 there should be a note that states on December 20 Alamo Airport was renamed McCarran Field, after Pat McCarran, a U.S. Senator and anti-communist, and would later become Camp McCarran. Also it should be noted under 1942, the founding of Alamo Airport.
Earlier Divergence than 1945?
It seems that perhaps our timeline and the Fallout Universe's may have diverged earlier than the time right after WWII. In Fallout 3, there is a recording of Lincoln's voice fund in the Museum of History. As the article in the Wiki states, the phonautograph that existed in Lincoln's time was unable to record audio for playback. That actual technology was not invented in our timeline until 1877. It seems that this is the first true instance of divergence, rather than the vague "Sometime between now (1945) and 1961, divergence occurs." line that is given in the Timeline page (which is locked and is un-editable). Biffhamly 21:14, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
- No, the first phonautograph was invented in 1857 - the ability to play them back didn't come until the 1870s, but it is possible (though very, very unlikely) that Lincoln was recorded on one before 1865. If anything, the comment about divergence should be moved slightly later, since the timeline gives the creation of Communist China as 1949, when it was proclaimed in our timeline. Otto Tanaka (talk) 14:44, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
2910 sonic invasion of Big MT
Should that be listed here? Йура 21:15, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
End of Fallout 3
The end of Fallout 3 should be put on 2277 instead of 2278. The game begins on the 17th of August. If you did the Main Quest in real Life, it would only realistically take a month or two. It wouldn't take as long as 2278 which is four & a half months away. Broccoli. 18:04, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
Also, the end description suggests that Adams AFB is canonically destroyed, which hasn't been confirmed. Instead of "Raven Rock and Adams Air Force Base are destroyed, and the Citadel may also be destroyed" how about "Raven Rock is destroyed, along with either Adams Air Force Base or the Citadel" in the 2278 section? The orbital weapons platform is confirmed in game to only have the payload for one shot, and BS is canon. Raider480 (talk) 18:34, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
Lonesome Road - how to write into timeline?
Hi, I've been wondering whether or not the past and "present" events of Lonesome Road should be added? Perhaps this cannot be done because of the non-existence of dates. Please discuss. 22.214.171.124 18:34, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
What's the source for Broken Steel, Mothership Zeta and Point Lookout taking place in 2278? Richie9999 (talk) 04:58, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
- A conversation between Itachou and I from 2011. The original question and Itachou's response to me. --Kastera (talk) 13:02, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
Colonization of Rivet City on here twice
The first settlement of Rivet City is on this chronology twice - in 2237 (which is wrong) and 2239 (which is correct). Can someone please fix this? Otto Tanaka (talk) 14:45, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
- Hm, I'm debating. Pinkerton says "For that, you have to go all the way back to when remnants of the Naval Research Institute cleared the Mirelurks off this wreck about 40 years ago." While Pinkerton does say "about" there, the thing is, the holotape he gives you shows off that the first meeting of Rivet City's council was in 2239 and it mentions "As the Rivet Station Science Outpost has displayed significant stability in its location and reliable profitability for supply traders, a burgeoning civilian settlement has sprung up in the available space on our ship." Obviously, that means that Pinkerton and his men have been there for some time before this council meeting. It seems more likely to me that the 2237 info is correct and the 2239 info needs to be replaced with this council meeting. Paladin117>>iff bored; 15:12, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
- That's all well and good, but where does the year 2237 come from? As far as I know, it's not mentioned anywhere, and was apparently just made up. Would it make more sense to put in a header for "Mid-2230s", since we don't have a specific year? Otto Tanaka (talk) 19:31, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
2299, date for survivor2299.com Fallout4? == Italic text ==
2278 - "Following the abduction and killing of four soldiers, NCR troops assault the Great Khans' settlement at Red Rock Canyon and massacre several dozen men, women, and children. This event goes unreported in NCR press."
This was from the Fallout New Vegas game guide and it's confirmed to be a mistake, it's even in the mistakes and oversight category on the page about the Game guide.
Simms not killed in 2277
Simms is not killed in 2277 by Burke considering in http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Afterward he is mentioned as alive (implicit, as it is written "he says" not "he said").
126.96.36.199 13:13, November 7, 2014 (UTC)Somebodynotnamed
Well, it is not fully cannon, as it is from a game guide. Energy X 14:09, November 7, 2014 (UTC)
2189: List of NCR states
There is invalid entry John Maxson instead of Maxson. I have no rights to edit, so please, fix it. 220.127.116.11 15:00, June 23, 2015 (UTC)
Fallout 4 in 2277
How do we know 200 years isn't approximate? OfficialLolGuy Talk Blog 02:09, July 10, 2015 (UTC)
- I offer Pete Hines' answer to that question.22.214.171.124 05:43, July 10, 2015 (UTC)
Fallout 4 in 2227
You are missing on 2227 that Shaun was stolen out of Vault 111 by Institue scientists and Kellogg and that Nate/Norah was killed defending him.
New Vegas Cannon
Someone just put smack dab in the middle of the timeline "By no means Fallout New Vegas is part of the timeline or canon..." I would delete this, but the page is locked. ALSO. Do you think it is possible to fix the abridged timeline to include when Fallout 4 begins? I am talking about the white timeline picture in the beginning.
- Removed that little sentence. If it weren't locked to anonymous users, we would probably see things like this appearing on the timeline a lot more what with all of the vandalism this wiki gets. As for the picture, I suppose someone would have to edit the new date in seeing as it's a photo, not actual text. "Space. The final frontier." ~The-Artist-64 (talk) 23:53, November 17, 2015 (UTC)The-Artist-64
I've just read through the entire timeline and there isn't any mention of the settlements or military base at The Divide. Neither doesn't it mention NCR plot sending the detonation device with the courier and destroying the base prior to the lone wanderers and Ulysses confrontation. I also noticed isn't any mention of Fawkes or him aquiring the GECK for the lone wanderer. As well as no mention of posidon (check spelling as much not entirely sure haha) actual research at Helios one. Or mention of the Capitol wastelands chapter of the enclave or "president Eden"
Revamping Table of Contents
I was looking at the Table of Contents recently, and thought it looked a bit difficult to navigate. I mean, everything 20th century and earlier, and everything 24th onwards is fine as it is because of the lesser information we have of those times, but I think the 21st to 23rd century (main setting) eras should be broken down by century titles to make it easier for users to navigate, as they all seem to blur into each other slightly. Thoughts?
I really would like a policy for simply reverting any unsourced additions. It wouldn't be too much to mention them in the edit summary, but trying to hut them down is a pain. What is the source for POTUS ordering scenario MX-CN91? The Switchboard terminal entries don't support this. What is the source for the home left at 9:42? I think the previous 9:40 for leaving the home was a guess only too (and we don't know when the prologue begins at all, with talking to Codsworth, coddling Shaun, talking to the Vault rep). Just to make matters worse, the clock in the home shows about 10:30, but I guess we want to ignore that (it is fixed graphics). What is the source for Boston (not a direct hit anyway) being hit at exactly 9:47? --Alfwyn (talk) 00:09, February 23, 2016 (UTC)
About the date of when the games are finished
Let's be straight, who honestly beats a fallout game in the same year that it's set, that would give you 3 to 5 in game months to beat the whole story and possibly everything else before then.
It's more a matter of perspective, I can complete Fallout 3 100% and all its DLC in the same year piss easy, completed FNV 100% and all its DLC by New Year's Eve. Fallout 4, no chance though, 100% and all the DLC, definitely heading into the next year. OfficialLolGuy Talk Blog 13:54, May 3, 2016 (UTC)
Well in Fallout: New Vegas, I like to finish the game after 2281 to piss off the NCR soldiers that say "New Vegas will be in the NCR at this year's end !" I find it funny. Otherwise, yes, it's pretty damn easy to finish the games in the year they're set, maybe with exceptions for the two first Metal Lanius 14:20, May 3, 2016 (UTC)
Massachusetts State House divergence
The Fallout 4 Vault Dweller's Survival Guide (or at least the transcript that I found online) lists for the Massachusetts State House that "The "new" state house was completed in 1798 to house the government of Massachusetts State" on page 471.
However, the real-world state house was completed and opened in 1787, 11 years before. Wouldn't the divergence therefore be in the 18th century? SierraX (talk) 02:26, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- Never mind, I don't know where I got the 1787 from when Wikipedia clearly states 1798. SierraX (talk) 19:48, January 8, 2017 (UTC)
Skynet "self-aware"
- 2075 - The Sierra Army Depot A.I., Skynet, becomes self-aware.
- 2081 - The Skynet AI in Sierra Army Depot becomes self-aware, according to its own records.
I'm confusing...
KPThug 02:56, February 14, 2017 (UTC)
Minor typo
Under 2163, it should be "The Master's army invades", not "invade". --2003:C1:7F20:2E04:8036:B989:F9D:F952 17:19, January 15, 2018 (UTC)
- 2274 "mayor town of Canterbury Commons" should probably read "mayor of the town Canterbury Commons" or similar. --2003:C1:7F20:2E85:1482:DBCB:DF4C:9536 21:13, January 19, 2018 (UTC)
Inconsistencies between what various admins/mods here say about timeline and info. on actual pages.
Example: I made this change to the timeline for the year 2181 PER YOUR OWN CLAIMS ON LIAM BINET'S PAGE:
Liam Binet, Institute scientist, establishes communication with the outside world under the codename "Patriot". He contacts the Railroad and is pressed into their service as an informant for gen-3 synths releases.
Sakarette removed the edit today and stated this event happened in 2183, not 2181.
So, which one of you is right? Is it Sakarette or is it whoever wrote in the original timeline on Liam's page? One of you is wrong.
- According to the only information we have, which is dated, it is 2183. Binet needs updating. Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 16:22, May 29, 2018 (UTC)
Fallout 76
Speculation is currently placing game date at 2102. Should this be placed in timeline, or should we revert any edits who attempt to place anything related to Fallout 76, or better yet should we add a temporary lock on this page? |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 14:33, May 30, 2018 (UTC)
- I think Vault 76, Fallout 76, Vault, Fallout Series, and this page should be locked until trusted Users/Staff can properly add info for the pages after the E3 conference, otherwise it'll just be Anon spam like we just saw today. Xa3 (talk) 14:38, May 30, 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed. If possible I'd like to see a full-blown lockdown of everything even remotely related to the game, "Fallout universe", "series", "timeline", and so on until admins have cleared up all info after June 10. Ideally a 1 month lockdown? |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 14:40, May 30, 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with Xa3, no need to keep false flagging with timeline edits and spam. Dragão Carmesim 14:42, May 30, 2018 (UTC)
This Timeline is far from complete.. Where is Robert House entry for 2020?
Robert House Born on June 25, 2020 to a wealthy Nevada tool magnate
TechDean (talk) 03:22, September 1, 2018 (UTC)
- 4th sentenance from the top "Note that the timeline is only for the chronological sequence of the Fallout world events; birthdates are not allowed here and must be put in the birthdates page."Level3Rogue (talk) 03:25, September 1, 2018 (UTC)
This took less than two minutes. Not counting opening up the GECK and checking the Tour Guide's dialogue lines. Great Mara (talk) 06:20, December 6, 2019 (UTC)
There is also a properly sourced and formatted reference attached to the claim.--Ant2242 (talk) 11:15, December 6, 2019 (UTC)
Foundation of REPCONN time mismatch
Foundation of REPCONN time mismatch
REPCONN Aerospace can't be formed in 2054. There is no evidence anywhere that that is the date (usually people cite the REPCONN tour guide, but never does he mention anything about a foundation date, see for yourselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hO9DRQxWuU). Second problem with that date, is that the Delta IX rocket is commisioned in 2020 and "the last manned mission to the Moon occurred in 2052", which is written very clearly in the Museum of Technology in Fallout 3.
"The Delta IX rocket, commissioned by the USSA in 2020, was the last of the manned rockets that sent our brave American Astronauts to the moon. The Delta IX was in use for almost 15 years before being converted for military use and having the crew and instruments sections replaced with a nuclear warhead. The Delta IX recorded over 77 successful launches, making it one of the most successful rockets in U.S. history.
The rocket, developed entirely by USSA scientists, was a single-stage vehicle with an ejectable crew section or satellite storage bay. The propulsion system was a nuclear-electric derivative drive, using a massive electrical jolt to start the nuclear reaction on launch. The crew section was protected from the radioactive chambers by way of a massive titanium-vanadium disc. The spacecraft had the capability to sustain 2 astronauts for up to 24 days maximum. The longest recorded spaceflight in a Delta IX rocket was the 17-day Zeus 12 Mission to the Moon. "
Another problem with the tour guide quote that is written here is that it says "REPCONN's illustrious history began way back in 2054, shortly after the famous Delta XI rocket was completed and launched." The rocket was completed long before 2054, given that it already had multiple manned missions before 2052, and they stopped having manned missions after 2052. The only timelapse the rocket has been launched with people inside is between 2040 and 2052 ("the Delta IX was in use for almost 15 years before being converted for military use") and after that they were being already weaponized, and 2054 just doesn't fit as "shortly after the famous Delta XI rocket was completed and launched", since it had been in use at least 17 years before 2054.
I don't know who came up with "2054", but I implore whoever keeps saying it to at least provide some proof that that transcript here is real (since I haven't been able to replicate it or find any footage of it), and then it could a lore inconsistency or a retcon between Fallout 3 and New Vegas. But as for right now, with no proof, the date seems made up with nothing to back it up.