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Booting the F16 Alpha RC5 KDE x86_64 live image inside a virt-manager VM - host F15, using Spice and the qxl video adapter - results in KDE crashing right at the end of startup (after it displays the KDE logo in the bootsplash sequence) and dumping you back to KDM, every time you try to log in.
Booting in 'basic graphics mode' - i.e. using vesa instead of the native qxl driver - works.
Debugging is complicated by the fact that the VCs of the VM are corrupted (confirmed by two testers), but virsh should make it possible. I'll try to get around to that soon, for now, just wanted to have the failure logged.
Don't think this is an Alpha blocker as real hardware is apparently okay (I didn't test yet) and there's an easy workaround, but it's a bit of a pain.
CommonBugs - definitely worth documenting.
This looks a lot like a driver bug to me. (I assume X is crashing, probably somewhere inside driver code.)
i'll try and get the X log out with virsh later.
Fedora Bugzappers volunteer triage team
Just to set needinfo.
Please add drm.debug=0x04 to the kernel command line, restart computer, and attach
* your X server config file (/etc/X11/xorg.conf, if available),
* X server log file (/var/log/Xorg.*.log*; check with grep Backtrace /var/log/Xorg* which logs might be the most interesting ones, send us at least Xorg.0.log)
* output of the dmesg command, and
* system log (/var/log/messages)
to the bug report as individual uncompressed file attachments using the bugzilla file attachment link above.
We will review this issue again once you've had a chance to attach this information.
Thanks in advance.
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crash log
Seems like it has a problem with setting the display size, gets some huge size (2560 width) and falls over...
Note that I believe the other person who hit this bug confirmed it happened to cirrus too, so this really isn't in the qxl driver. cirrus probably has the same issue with the unusually large display size.
When you have this nice backtrace I would need exact version and arch of xorg-x11-drv-qxl and xorg-x11-server-Xorg, please.
[ 35.396] 0: /usr/bin/X (xorg_backtrace+0x2f) [0x46207f]
[ 35.396] 1: /usr/bin/X (0x400000+0x66dc6) [0x466dc6]
[ 35.396] 2: /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x7fb2b5d0f000+0xf470) [0x7fb2b5d1e470]
[ 35.396] 3: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/qxl_drv.so (0x7fb2b28b1000+0xb1d8) [0x7fb2b28bc1d8]
[ 35.396] 4: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/qxl_drv.so (0x7fb2b28b1000+0x6b7b) [0x7fb2b28b7b7b]
[ 35.396] 5: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/qxl_drv.so (0x7fb2b28b1000+0x7264) [0x7fb2b28b8264]
[ 35.396] 6: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/qxl_drv.so (0x7fb2b28b1000+0x82c4) [0x7fb2b28b92c4]
[ 35.396] 7: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/qxl_drv.so (0x7fb2b28b1000+0xeb7b) [0x7fb2b28bfb7b]
[ 35.396] 8: /usr/bin/X (miCopyRegion+0x16a) [0x5449fa]
[ 35.396] 9: /usr/bin/X (miDoCopy+0x34d) [0x544e9d]
[ 35.396] 10: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/qxl_drv.so (0x7fb2b28b1000+0xe65e) [0x7fb2b28bf65e]
[ 35.396] 11: /usr/bin/X (0x400000+0xdd5a7) [0x4dd5a7]
[ 35.396] 12: /usr/bin/X (0x400000+0x2f932) [0x42f932]
[ 35.396] 13: /usr/bin/X (0x400000+0x33861) [0x433861]
[ 35.396] 14: /usr/bin/X (0x400000+0x22bf5) [0x422bf5]
[ 35.397] 15: /lib64/libc.so.6 (__libc_start_main+0xed) [0x7fb2b449250d]
[ 35.397] 16: /usr/bin/X (0x400000+0x22ee1) [0x422ee1]
[ 35.397] Segmentation fault at address 0x1306984
[ 35.397]
In any case, the crash is clearly inside X and not in plasma-desktop or any other Plasma workspace executable.
Whatever's in F16 Alpha, Matej, I don't have the numbers right to hand. Again, I think the fundamental problem is whatever causes the driver to think the display is so big, so it may well still boil down to KDE, especially as other desktops don't have problems. The same crash happens to cirrus, it's only vesa that works without it.
I'll investigate further today, anyway.
Fedora Bugzappers volunteer triage team
These are the live CD's compose logs:
The relevant package versions Matěj asked for:
As for arch, Adam wrote in his original report that he tested the x86_64 live image, which means that all the packages are x86_64.
For the record, these are the x86_64 compose logs:
(The previous ones were i686.) But of course, the package versions are the same.
Yes, it looks like some kind of memory-related issue.
In function miCopyRegion:
(from frame 8: /usr/bin/X (miCopyRegion+0x16a) [0x5449fa])
135: }
137: (*copyProc) (pSrcDrawable,
138: pDstDrawable,
139: pGC,
140: pbox,
141: nbox,
142: dx, dy,
143: reverse, upsidedown, bitPlane, closure);
145: >>>>>>> free(pboxNew1);
146: free(pboxNew2);
147: }
149: RegionPtr
150: miDoCopy (DrawablePtr pSrcDrawable,
151: DrawablePtr pDstDrawable,
152: GCPtr pGC,
153: int xIn,
154: int yIn,
155: int widthSrc,
Frame 9: /usr/bin/X (miDoCopy+0x34d) [0x544e9d]
Frame 11: /usr/bin/X (0x400000+0xdd5a7) [0x4dd5a7]
Frame 12: /usr/bin/X (0x400000+0x2f932) [0x42f932]
Frame 13: /usr/bin/X (0x400000+0x33861) [0x433861]
Frame 14: /usr/bin/X (0x400000+0x22bf5) [0x422bf5]
the video adapter in a current virt-manager default VM emulates 64MB of RAM. This doesn't appear to be configurable, at least via virt-manager.
move it back to QXL driver and ssp.
I guess the problem is that the driver needs too much video memory to handle the pixmaps from Qt's raster paint engine. Nokia changed the default paint engine from native X11 (XRender) to raster (software rendering) in 4.8, because they found XRender to hurt performance instead of improving it in their tests (and also because they don't want to maintain the X11/XRender paint engine, it has several regressions in 4.8 which they seem to have little to no interest in fixing). Basically, how raster works is that they paint everything into a double buffer in CPU memory using pure software and then blit the whole thing to the screen in one X11/XRender operation.
So we really need to figure out what's going wrong here:
* Is the detected display size the problem, as hinted in comment #5? Has this changed since F15? (It would be nice to have a log from F15 to compare with.)
* If it's not the display size, what is the problem? Is it really Qt 4.8's raster engine?
* What we really need to know is: What changed? This clearly worked before. Is it a Qt or KDE change triggering this driver crash? Or has the driver itself changed?
wanted to investigate a bit further but can't get beta tc1 KDE live to install in a VM even in vesa mode, it seems to peg the CPU out and stop responding after you launch the installer :/ anyone else made it fly?
Quick note, the original issue is still happening in 16 Beta RC1, will check if I can install it.
We really need to investigate further what's going on. Is it Qt 4.8 which is triggering this? Did the driver change?
Another question: Is this a blocker for the release? Not being able to start the live image in a VM sucks, though using basic video (vesa) is a workaround.
Finally, if installing still fails in vesa mode, we'll need a separate bug filed about that (and there too it might be a blocker).
I was able to install Fedora 16 KDE RC1 in virt-manager using the vmvga driver. After the install I installed all updates. Next I first tried the cirrus driver. This caused kdm to crash (see attachments .cirrus). Then I used the qxl driver. The login screen appears, but when logged in plasma-desktop crashed and the login screen appears again. (see attachments .qlx) Especially .xsession-errors.xxx looks interesting.
Hope this helps.
Martin Kho
Attachments: dmesg, Xorg.0.log, kdm.log, .xsession-errors.
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FYI. I'm hitting exactly this same bug. My host machine is Fedora 15-64bit with virt-preview repo enabled. Everything is fully updated on the host. My VM is F16-64bit-rc3 also fully updated.
I can launch gnome desktop perfectly well with the all video drivers and using VNC or spice. However when I attempt to launch the KDE desktop on the VM from GDM, I get exactly the failure above if I use the QXL driver or cirrus driver. However if I use the vmvga driver the KDE desktop will launch successfully.
If there are more details needed, i can supply them, but everything is identical to the above reports and logs.
The crash isn't in xorg when using the cirrus driver - see attachment 524583 [details] for an example. When booting F16 Beta RC3 plasma-desktop is the crashee (presumably because kdm is bypassed by the autologin).
Additionally I can confirm that the raster setting is complicit in the crash, with the following steps.
1. boot liveimage in kvm to runlevel 3
2. add "export QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native" to /etc/kde/env/env.sh
3. 'systemctl start graphical.target'
and kde starts with no crashes (whereas it crashes as expected with a normal boot or just steps 1 + 3).
Using the native graphicssystem also works for spice, at least as fas as getting kde to log in. That is, the desktop appears (on a normal boot the screen is corrupted and even after switching to another virtual terminal there is graphical corruption obscuring the console.)
However, the desktop is unresponsive and even switching virtual terminal from virt-manager doesn't work. I don't know if this proves anything because spice with a F15 host has never worked well for me.
Discussed at 2011-09-30 blocker review meeting. Accepted as a final blocker under criterion "The release must boot successfully as a virtual guest in a situation where the virtual host is running the previous stable Fedora release (using Fedora's current preferred virtualization technology)" (and the same criterion for 'same release', as this fails with F16 host as well).
We felt 'use vesa' was an okay workaround for Beta, but it really isn't for Final, we should fix this.
Some input from the spice side:
1) Apparently we have an issue where KDE and the qxl driver do not play nice together on a 2560x1600 desktop
2) For some reason after logon KDE decides to make an Xrandr call to resize the
display to 2560x1600, hello KDE there is a reason why the driver chooses a certain default, don't override it without user interaction!!!
I think fixing 1 may be hard to do in the time window we've got left, also 2 is the bigger issue anyways, because even if it wouldn't crash resizing the VM screen to 2560x1600 is not going to be a good thing to do for people who have a display with a resolution smaller then that (iow 99.9% of all people).
I'm not sure what KDE is doing here exactly, but the QXL driver will default to a resolution of 1024x768 when there is no xorg.conf. KDE is overriding this without any user interaction, for reasons which are beyond me.
Well, I assume the virtual display claims it can do a maximum of 2560×1600, so KDE thinks that this is the native resolution of the LCD and resizes to it. The code was written for real screens, not fake ones. Real LCDs normally don't allow a higher resolution than native, so setting the resolution to the highest available makes sense.
(In reply to comment #36)
> Well, I assume the virtual display claims it can do a maximum of 2560×1600, so
> KDE thinks that this is the native resolution of the LCD and resizes to it.
X will pick the best mode for the monitor before KDE (or any X client) ever comes into play. X has a *ton* of code to deal with picking the best mode KDE should *never* need override this.
Did you know for example that there are beamers which have native resolution of 800x600 or 1024x768 yet can handle quarter or sometimes even full HD resolutions, so that they will work when you plug in a blueray player. The fact that such a beamer claims it can handle 1920x1080 does not make that the best resolution to send to it, only to have it then downscale it. X knows these things and picks the resolution which is advertised in the DCC info as being the advised mode to use with the device.
KDE blindly overriding X here is just stupid, and is not needed in any real world scenario. KDE should not overrule X's resolution (and refresh rate) choice unless specifically told to do so by the user.
Could you please try to explain that to upstream (i.e. bugs.kde.org)?
if no one beats me to it, I'll take it up with the kwin folks.
(In reply to comment #39)
> if no one beats me to it, I'll take it up with the kwin folks.
Thanks! Please add me to the CC, my bugs.kde.org account is email@example.com .
2 remarks:
1) I'm not claiming that the crash at 2560x1600 is not (possibly) a qxl bug, I'm merely saying that, independent of that KDE automatically switching to 2560x1600 when running inside a virtual machine is not a good thing to do since that will very likely make the vm's display larger then the actual screen through which the vm is viewed.
2) xrandr has the notion of a preferred mode, currently the qxl driver is not marking any mode as the preferred mode, since well there really isn't one.
I hope we can come to an agreement with KDE upstream on not changing the mode from the initial mode chosen by Xorg at all (unless the user explicitly choose a different mode in a previous session and the monitor config has not changed).
If we cannot agree on that then the KDE code which calls xrandr should at least honor the preferred mode flag (maybe it already does I don't know), so it will do the right thing in the case of the beamer example I gave. If / when it does that then I can add the preferred flag to the 1024x768 mode in the qxl driver fixing things that way.
Doesn't it check the preferred mode flag already? I haven't checked the code yet, but it's quite possible that it uses the preferred mode if set, and the largest one if there's no preferred mode.
The preferred mode for a VM should probably be the next lower resolution with the same or similar aspect ratio to the host's resolution, e.g. 1024×768 if the host is 1280×1024, 1024×640 if the host is 1280×800 (1024×768 is unlikely to fit if the panel is huge or if there are 2 panels).
(In reply to comment #41)
> Doesn't it check the preferred mode flag already?
I don't know.
> I haven't checked the code
> yet, but it's quite possible that it uses the preferred mode if set, and the
> largest one if there's no preferred mode.
And where is the logic in just choosing the largest mode? Any modern display will indicate a preferred mode through its DCC info. If there is no preferred mode, perhaps Xorg has a good reason to choose a different mode as default (such as a different mode being specified in xorg.conf). KDE is overriding both Xorg's own default, and even any user configuration done through xorg.conf here...
For that matter even changing the mode to the preferred mode seems a weird thing to do, Xorg *knows* this is the preferred mode, and thus if it is not already running in this mode, it probably has good reasons for that...
Anyways we need to discuss this with upstream. As said if they insist on overruling Xorg's chosen resolution on session startup, even though the user never asked for that, I'm willing to set a preferred mode flag in the QXL driver.
(In reply to comment #42)
> The preferred mode for a VM should probably be the next lower resolution with
> the same or similar aspect ratio to the host's resolution, e.g. 1024×768 if the
> host is 1280×1024, 1024×640 if the host is 1280×800 (1024×768 is unlikely to
> fit if the panel is huge or if there are 2 panels).
vm's now a day usually use either vnc or spice, which are network transparent. The vm itself thus does not talk directly through X, and does not know the client resolution, esp. since different clients with different resolutions can connect. It is very well possible that atm the qxl (or cirrus) driver initializes no client is connected at all.
OK, feedback from kwin upstream is that it includes no xrandr calls that should change anything. I've confirmed
* options.cpp only contains code to fetch refresh rate:
rate = XRRConfigCurrentRate(config);
* events.cpp only calls
when any Extensions::randrNotifyEvent( (ie, RRScreenChangeNotify) is triggered.
I'll continue to look elsewhere, like kde-workspace/kcontrol/randr, but I'm pretty sure that only comes to play when
1. restoring a session from saved randr settings
2. running krandrtray systray applet
3. running systemsettings->display&monitor->size&orientation
I'm pretty sure none of these happen with a fresh/live user on auto-login.
Thanks for looking into this. I just double checked with a fully up2date F-16 virtual machine, using qxl and gnome-3 as desktop. I created a fresh user and both in gdm and after logging in Xorg's resolution stays at the driver default of 1024x76, starting display preferences (which reads xrandr display info) also does not cause any change of the mode. So to me it still seems as if something in kde is causing this ...
I've poked the solid/powersave/krandr folks for comment/feedback now, I'm out of ideas where to look.
I've booted into textmode (rnlvl 3) and issued X (no kde stuff) with the gxl driver enabled. In Xorg.0.log there is the entry:
[ 87.324] (**) qxl(0): Virtual size is 2560x1600 (pitch 2560)
May be this can help?
Martin Kho
Note: I'll attach Xorg.0.log.X
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(In reply to comment #46)
> I've poked the solid/powersave/krandr folks for comment/feedback now, I'm out
> of ideas where to look.
I guess that KDE has code to restore the resolution configured the last time by the user, just like Gnome 3 has. I wonder what that code does if there is no saved config to restore ? That would be my first guess of where to look, note just a hunch I could of course be completely wrong.
I don't think this is caused by changing resolution. The same crash happens when I click on Session Type or Menu buttons on the login screen.
Re: comment #49
To be clear, stuff I've tested by disabling/removing functionality:
1. randr session restoration
2. powerdevil (kded_powerdevil.so)
3. systemsettings display/monitor kcm
4. kded_randrmonitor.so
and, still, this crash remains. I've now run out of places to look (pending feedback per comment #46 )
Interestingly (and possibly re-iterating), this only happens when using QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster, if one sets QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native (X11), the crash does not occur and those
[ 87.324] (**) qxl(0): Virtual size is 2560x1600 (pitch 2560)
lines from the driver are replaced with 1024x768 which is more expected.
Hans (or others?), are you *sure* there's an randr call happening somewhere on login? If so, what's the evidence again?
Oh, and Re: comment #50 and login screen crashes
I saw those too in various testing, but didn't look closely... are you sure it's the *same* crash as here (same backtrace?) or could it be something else? (do we need another bug filed?)
(In reply to comment #51)
> Re: comment #49
> To be clear, stuff I've tested by disabling/removing functionality:
> 1. randr session restoration
> 2. powerdevil (kded_powerdevil.so)
> 3. systemsettings display/monitor kcm
> 4. kded_randrmonitor.so
> and, still, this crash remains. I've now run out of places to look (pending
> feedback per comment #46 )
> Interestingly (and possibly re-iterating), this only happens when using
> QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster, if one sets QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native (X11), the crash
> does not occur and those
> [ 87.324] (**) qxl(0): Virtual size is 2560x1600 (pitch 2560)
> lines from the driver are replaced with 1024x768 which is more expected.
> Hans (or others?), are you *sure* there's an randr call happening somewhere on
> login? If so, what's the evidence again?
Hmm, I think we may have been miscommunicating here. I thought that the actual resolution was being changed to 2560x1600? Do you mean that kdm / the session (for as long as it shows) is running at 1024x768? The virtual resolution being 2560x1600 is expected behavior, as the virtual res gets set to the largest size the setup can handle. I thought that the problem is / was that the actual resolution xorg is running at is getting set to 2560x1600.
OK, I don't think anything is actually setting 2560x1600 then.
My dirty test was this:
I set QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native in /etc/profile.d/ to at least get kdm to run (modulo the crashes there mentioned in comment #50 and comment #52 , and in my user session I set QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster in ~/.kde/env/.
I see kdm start @ 1024x768, and start to login, ksplash proceeds along nicely until it's done, then... crash (presumably somewhere midstream during the kde startup process, I would guess either kwin or plasma perhaps).
I tried to install older qxl driver (xorg-x11-drv-qxl-0.0.21-3.fc16 from http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=239996 and ignored potential ABI incompatibility) and it do NOT crash. But it crashes with xorg-x11-drv-qxl-0.0.21-4.fc16.
Changelog says that change between -3 and -4 is:
* Thu Aug 18 2011 Adam Jackson <email@example.com> - 0.0.21-4
- Rebuild for xserver 1.11 ABI
So this looks like that some API changes not only ABI.
Please, ignore my last comment. The qxl driver didn't load and it used mesa driver, so the crash didn't happen.
*** Bug 746444 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
I've asked ajax to take a look at this, but he's also trying to work on the gnome/fallback/clutter/video playback bug.
Full backtrace below. The "dest_stride=-1" looks really suspicious.
#0 hashlittle (key=<optimized out>, length=2048, initval=<optimized out>) at lookup3.c:300
#1 0x00007fb3b4367d2b in hash_and_copy (height=27, width=512, bytes_per_pixel=4, dest_stride=-1,
dest=0x0, src_stride=4096, src=0x29b4100 <Address 0x29b4100 out of bounds>) at qxl_image.c:62
#2 qxl_image_create (qxl=0x12e83e0, data=0x29b4100 <Address 0x29b4100 out of bounds>,
x=<optimized out>, y=<optimized out>, width=512, height=27, stride=4096, Bpp=4)
at qxl_image.c:136
#3 0x00007fb3b4368414 in real_upload_box (y2=768, x2=512, y1=741, x1=0, surface=0x1357150)
at qxl_surface.c:1054
#4 upload_box (surface=0x1357150, x1=0, y1=741, x2=1024, y2=768) at qxl_surface.c:1083
#5 0x00007fb3b4369474 in qxl_surface_finish_access (surface=0x1357150, pixmap=0x2054c70)
at qxl_surface.c:1106
#6 0x00007fb3b436fd2b in uxa_copy_n_to_n (pSrcDrawable=0x28022a0, pDstDrawable=0x207ae20,
pGC=0x207b440, pbox=0x7fff7badbb40, nbox=1, dx=0, dy=-741, reverse=0, upsidedown=0, bitplane=0,
closure=0x0) at uxa-accel.c:625
#7 0x000000000055587a in miCopyRegion ()
#8 0x0000000000555d1d in miDoCopy ()
#9 0x00007fb3b436f80e in uxa_copy_area (dsty=0, dstx=0, height=27, width=<optimized out>,
srcy=<optimized out>, srcx=<optimized out>, pGC=<optimized out>, pDstDrawable=<optimized out>,
pSrcDrawable=<optimized out>) at uxa-accel.c:644
#10 uxa_copy_area (pSrcDrawable=<optimized out>, pDstDrawable=<optimized out>, pGC=<optimized out>,
srcx=<optimized out>, srcy=<optimized out>, width=<optimized out>, height=27, dstx=0, dsty=0)
at uxa-accel.c:633
#11 0x000000000050a487 in ?? ()
#12 0x000000000042fb02 in ?? ()
#13 0x0000000000433a31 in ?? ()
#14 0x0000000000422dc5 in ?? ()
has a fix. I believe the real bug is elsewhere, but for F16, this will have to do.
xorg-x11-drv-qxl-0.0.21-6.fc16 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 16.
The fix works insofar as KDE now starts up, but KDE panel rendering is completely broken. The panel shows up either black, black and blue, or looking like the desktop wallpaper. Clicking where the 'K' button should be brings up about half of the 'start menu', the top half doesn't look like it's there but seems to work. repainting inside the 'start menu' doesn't work right at all. hard to describe but easy to reproduce, just build a live image with the fixed qxl and try using it. I can upload such an image if necessary. (or you can do an install into a VM and update the qxl package, whatever).
Created attachment 530351 [details]
screenshot of the borked panel rendering
Package xorg-x11-drv-qxl-0.0.21-6.fc16:
* should fix your issue,
* was pushed to the Fedora 16 testing repository,
* should be available at your local mirror within two days.
Update it with:
# su -c 'yum update --enablerepo=updates-testing xorg-x11-drv-qxl-0.0.21-6.fc16'
as soon as you are able to.
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Investigating the issue more - it seems like when I, say, click the 'K' button, an entry "Zero width or height" gets written to Xorg.0.log .
.xsession-errors is full of suspicious errors, which I'll attach.
Created attachment 530395 [details]
.xsession-errors from a session with the messed-up graphics after the initial fix
Ajax, airlied, do you have any ideas on this second issue?
This live image reproduces the issue:
just boot it inside a standard f15/f16 KVM and you should see the issue.
Just a little question. I've tried the iso that Adam created, with all default virt-manager settings. Booting the iso result in a black screen, because not qxl is used but the cirrus-driver - at least in Fedora 15. So my question is. Is the qxl-driver the blocking factor?
Martin Kho
ah, I thought F15 was Spice-by-default but maybe not. Or is this an old VM you're re-using? Have you tried creating a new one?
Cirrus is the driver you get when using an old-style VM which uses VNC for graphics; qxl is the driver you get when using a new-style VM which uses Spice for graphics.
Fedora Bugzappers volunteer triage team
Uh, no I created a new one for your ISO.
Martin Kho
Btw. I can retry it with Fedora 16 as host.
sure. but if there's another bug with f15's default VM config that'd be unfortunate :(
Fedora Bugzappers volunteer triage team
I'm not sure, but I'm now trying your ISO in Fedora 16. Here I also get the Cirrus driver.
That cirrus is also broken has been known since at least comment #6. Unfortunately, none of us had the reflex to clone the bug.
yeah, we should probably do that before it gets too confusing. I'm just a bit worried about why martin is getting cirrus in f15 and f16 when i'd expect spice/qxl, but maybe it's an upgraded system and doesn't have the necessary packages for spice support or something.
anyway, let's file a new bug for cirrus (please not a clone, clones are horrible) and stick to qxl here.
Hi Adam,
I was running virt-manager on an upgraded f15. Now I've installed virtualization on f16 final TC2 ... and again I get the cirrus-driver ;-(
Martin Kho
Do I have to open a separate report for the cirrus issue?
Yes, we need a new report for that, to avoid things getting confusing. With all the usual X logs and so on.
Opened Bug 749647
Martin Kho
So, comment #32 has some interesting info I managed to miss before: the initial bug only happens with the 'raster' QT graphics system, and you can workaround it by switching to the 'native' one (which I believe is xrender/x11).
And here's another interesting thing: if I do this with the original qxl, before soren's partial fix for this bug, KDE works fine: menu rendering is good.
If I do this with the qxl that fixed the crash but caused the 'messed up rendering' issue, the rendering is _still_ messed up: the K menu is cut off halfway and doesn't redraw correctly.
So it seems like soren's fix actually caused some kind of regression which persists even in the 'native' QT graphics system.
So, as an alternative fix for this, could we back out soren's 'fix' and patch Qt to default to 'native' if it sees the qxl or cirrus X driver?
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actually, false alarm, somewhat: turns out the corruption does still happen with the 'old' qxl + native rendering, I just got lucky for a couple of tries. :(
when using 'native' rendering, the error in Xorg.0.log that seems to correspond to misrenders is "Out of surfaces".
well, actually, native does seem significantly better. it's still clearly a bit screwed - the kde menu comes up broken occasionally and things take a bit of time to redraw - but it's usable.
For background, Qt was switched from 'native' to 'raster' by default in August, in response to:
but I'm not actually seeing any of the rendering problems discussed in that bug when using 'native' inside a KVM. It actually works okay, really. I've managed to get through a complete install, run kmail, run konqueror...
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Actually, the default changed in (pre-F16-branching) Rawhide when we imported Qt 4.8. We explicitly set raster in the configure options, but we found out that Qt 4.8 actually defaults to raster if nothing is specified on the configure line (and specifying nothing is what we had done until August).
Bug #712617 and related issues were reported by users:
* using the few odd apps such as KSnapshot which explicitly force the native graphicssystem because they depend on its internals or
* explicitly forcing the native graphicssystem themselves.
That said, be warned that there are also the few odd apps forcing the raster graphicssystem (because the developers found performance issues with native), so even forcing native by default won't necessarily stop all crashes.
so, to sum up where we're at with this:
It seems 'native' (i.e. Xrender-based) Qt rendering more or less works on qxl/cirrus, while 'raster' is broken. 'raster' with qxl, after the initial fix from Soren, still has the problem with rendering of some elements of KDE. rendering of the panel, right-click menu on the 'Install to Hard Drive' icon, the alt-tab display, menus in Konqueror, at least are all broken.
The regressions which caused our KDE team to switch from 'native' to 'raster' by default are fixed, but it's believed that 'raster' is likely faster in many scenarios, and upstream seems to favour 'raster' over 'native' now: Qt 4.8 defaults to 'raster', while 4.7 and earlier defaulted to 'native'. qxl + raster is definitely a lot faster than qxl+native if you ignore the rendering errors.
So, we can patch Qt back to 'native' by default, but it's very late for that, is likely to be less well-supported upstream, and probably costs in terms of performance.
We can try to patch Qt to use 'native' only when the qxl or cirrus drivers are in use, but that'd be new code as Qt has nothing to detect X drivers currently.
Or we can get both qxl and cirrus patched to work with 'render', quickly.
The last is likely the best option, if it's feasible.
(In reply to comment #75)
> yeah, we should probably do that before it gets too confusing. I'm just a bit
> worried about why martin is getting cirrus in f15 and f16 when i'd expect
> spice/qxl, but maybe it's an upgraded system and doesn't have the necessary
> packages for spice support or something.
I'm not sure if this is a dependency issue or not, if you've upgraded from one Fedora to the next, then the default for new vm-s will be cirrus not qxl / spice. Only fresh F-15 installs get the new qxl as default behavior. Upgraded installs can change the default under virt-manager -> edit->preferences -> vm details and then change "Install graphics" to spice.
Another data point: I upgraded from F13 straight to F15 and I'm fairly virt-manager did indeed default to qxl for new VMs.
But I still tend to opt for cirrus because of bug #707758 - which seems to be fixed upstream but not in F15.
(In reply to comment #63)
> Created attachment 530351 [details]
> screenshot of the borked panel rendering
This looks reminiscent of https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22566 - plasma popups cause holes to be bitten out of windows in certain circumstances(*). This only happened when using kwin in non-compositing mode with the composite/render xorg extension enabled(**). So on a hunch I tried adamwkde-20111025-x86_64.iso with this snippet in xorg.conf.d/
Section "Extensions"
Option "Composite" "Disable"
and it works - there's no kde menu, right-click menu or panel corruption.
You can test this by writing the xorg.conf.d snippet in runlevel 3 and starting grpahical.target (and click through the firstboot dialog for some reason) or by booting to the corrupted desktop and using krunner (Alt+F2) to launch "konsole" and then again to "logout".
* although if it is the same bug it's a new manifestation. I can see the what looks like a rounded corner on the grey border on the top-right of the menu. So it's more like the whole menu is hidden but you can see a bite-sized part of it?
** I can also see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38711 in my firefox history, Maybe that, or one of the chain of bugs it's duplicated too, is related too?
Disabling the Composite extension also appears to work with the unpatched qxl driver, i.e.:
from Fedora-16-Nightly-20111024.10-x86_64-Live-kde.iso
But this doesn't seem to make any difference with the cirrus driver.
(In reply to comment #88)
> in runlevel 3 and starting
> graphical.target (and click through the firstboot dialog for some reason)
bug 749815
> Disabling the Composite extension also appears to work with the unpatched qxl
driver, i.e.:
> But this doesn't seem to make any difference with the cirrus driver.
More evidence that this isn't the same bug, qxl and cirrus happen to both be broken, but differently. :-( See bug 749647 for cirrus.
kev: does it mean what remains of the problem in qxl could be a kwin bug rather than a qxl bug, though?
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Doubtful. This happens with compositing in KWin DISABLED, so normally enabling or disabling Composite in X11 should have no effect whatsoever.
Now a good question would be whether it's possible to enable compositing in KWin. But OpenGL compositing (which is what is normally used when you enable "Desktop Effects" in KWin) is very likely to not work at all here (it's known not to work with software OpenGL), at best we could have XRender compositing with (slow) software XRender here.
There's a difference between the Composite extension and kwin Desktop Effects, I think. According to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173686 (linked from https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22566 ) then the Composite extension allows plasma to use ARGB visuals even when kwin is not in compositing mode.
There seem to have been a class of X bugs only triggered by ARGB visuals without a compositing window manager (if I've got my terminology right). This may be one of them.
xorg-x11-drv-qxl-0.0.21-8.fc16 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 16.
the new fix is looking very good for me, can't cause any misrendering in KDE at all, got through a live boot, poke at various apps, install, and boot of installed system with no issues. yay.
one smallish bug with the new fix: the K menu sometimes still doesn't paint correctly when you click on it and the space where it should paint only contains desktop background (i.e. it's not painting over an app). it comes up entirely invisible. as soon as an element needs redrawing it shows up - so first the tiny bit of the text entry widget where the cursor is sitting shows up, as the cursor blinks. then as you mouse over the menu, each element you mouse over paints in.
if you close the menu and then re-open it it paints fine.
seems 100% reproducible by running konqueror, maximizing it, minimizing it, then clicking the K menu. but the *second* time you open the K menu, it paints fine.
that's probably not serious enough to be blocker.
21-8 works for me too. I don't see the little bug Adam experiences. Really excellent work!
Martin Kho
two fix confirmations -> VERIFIED.
There's a live image with the fix available at:
http://adamwill.fedorapeople.org/adamwkde-20111028-x86_64.iso (sha256sum
97a4d9429ec4e06cbb9d3ebeb010fd044ae66d49abeb58915714bb8f4cb49594 )
for testing.
xorg-x11-drv-qxl-0.0.21-8.fc16 has been pushed to the Fedora 16 stable repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report.
(In reply to comment #99)
> two fix confirmations -> VERIFIED.
> There's a live image with the fix available at:
> http://adamwill.fedorapeople.org/adamwkde-20111028-x86_64.iso (sha256sum
> 97a4d9429ec4e06cbb9d3ebeb010fd044ae66d49abeb58915714bb8f4cb49594 )
> for testing.
thanks for ISO - I tried it, it's working, no visible glitches found, reasonable speed. Just I've experienced a few virt-manager freezes but seems unrelated to KDE issue as virtual machine is still running and reconnecting fixes the issue (and it's F15...).
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"Fort Mahone" was shorthand for images taken at Rives Salient on April 3, 1865. These photographs were taken in and around Confederate Batteries 25 and 27 near the Jerusalem Plank Road. Fort Mahone makes a cameo appearance in the background of image LC 02629 taken from the right flank of Battery 25 looking southeast.
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Confederate Battery 25, April 3, 1865
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SDT Connector provides an alternative client to PuTTY and SSHterm for Telnet or SSH access to devices that are serially attached to your Opengear console server.
To enable SDTConnector to access to devices connected to the gateway's serial ports, you must enable access to the nominated serial port on the console server, then configure it to allow port forwarded network access to itself:
- Browse to the console server Management Console
- Select Serial Port from Serial & Network and click Edit next to selected Port # (e.g. Port 2 if the target device is attached to the second serial port).
- Ensure the port's serial configuration is appropriate for the attached device, then scroll down to Console Server Setting and select Console Server Mode
- Check Telnet (or SSH) and scroll to the bottom and click Apply
- Select Network Hosts from Serial & Network and click Add Host.
- In the IP Address/DNS Name field enter 127.0.0.1 (this is the Opengear's network loopback address) and enter Loopback in Description.
- Remove all entries under Permitted Services and select TCP and enter 200n in Port. (This configures the Telnet port enabled in the previous step, so for Port 2 you would enter 2002).
- Click Add then scroll to the bottom and click Apply
- Administrators by default have gateway and serial port access privileges. However for Users to access the gateway and the serial port, you will need to give those Users the required access privileges.
- Select Users & Groups from Serial & Network.
- Click Add User.
- Enter a Username, Description and Password/Confirm.
- Select 127.0.0.1 from Accessible Host(s) and select Port 2 from Accessible Port(s).
- Click Apply.
Next you must configure SDTConnector with a Service that will access the target gateway serial port, and then set the gateway up as a host. This can be autoconfigured (as detailed in faq285) or configured manually:
- Launch SDTConnector on your PC.
- Select Edit -> Preferences
- Click the Services tab and click Add
- Enter "Serial Port 2" in Service Name and click Add
- Select Telnet client as the Client. Enter 2002 in TCP Port. Click OK
- Select Close and Close again.
- Set up the console server as a Gateway in your SDTConnector client (with username/ password etc as detailed infaq266)
- Select this newly added Gateway and click the Host icon to create a host. Alternatively, select File -> New Host
- Enter 127.0.0.1 as the Host Address and select Serial Port 2 for Service. In Descriptive Name, enter something along the lines of Loopback ports, or Local serial ports
- Click OK.
Now you can click Serial Port 2 icon for Telnet access to the serial console on the device attached to serial port #2 on the gateway.


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Below is a great post from The Catholic Gentlemen, which is one of my favorite blogs. The blog often highlights the crucial fact that for the Catholic Church to be a force in the world it must remain a masculine entity. The Church needs good strong men to lead the Church Militant and help attract souls to the Church . . . which is the only ark of salvation instituted by Christ. A holy priest once reminded me in confession that I need to always act like the man I was made to be because it will take faithful and masculine Catholic men to help save our families, our country and our culture.
A war wages over the fate of every single living soul. If you don't think the devil wants your soul and is doing everything in his power to grasp it for all eternity, then you are probably losing the war. I pray you start fighting like a MAN using all the tools the Catholic Church . . . that God . . . has given us. Your eternal salvation depends on it.
Here is the post from Sam Guzman of the Catholic Gentlemen:
St. Michael the Archangel, Defend Us in Battle
September 29, 2014
Sam Guzman
We're in a spiritual war, and in this war there is no neutrality. The combatants are God, the Immaculate Virgin, the saints, the devil, demon hordes, angelic hosts of immense power, and you. The weapons are humble prayer, frequent fasting, and unwavering faith.
"For we are not contending against flesh and blood," says St. Paul, "but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."
At stake in this war is your eternal soul—eternal life or eternal death. No prisoners are taken. If you're not fighting, you're already dead.
But fear not. On your side are the mighty archangels, and chief among them is St. Michael. These angels are not doe-eyed sissies. They are burning flames of fire endowed by God with power beyond our comprehension. These mighty angels are even now engaged in conflict with Satan and his demonic minions.
Michael means "Who is like unto God?" Indeed, that was his battle cry when Lucifer first rebelled against God. It was Michael who defended the glory of God and rallied the forces of heaven against the rebellious angels, driving them from heaven. And their primal combat continues to this day.
I've had some individuals criticize the warlike emphasis on this blog. They think fighting is inherently evil, even if the fight is against spiritual forces, and that gentler and more peaceful metaphors should be chosen to describe the spiritual life.
I would challenge these critics to pour deeply over scripture and the writings of the saints. For if they do so, they will quickly realize that spiritual combat is part of the very fabric of Christianity. We must fight because we have an enemy who rests not day or night, an enemy who "prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking some one to devour."
In the face of this relentless enemy, passivity is never an option. St. Peter explicitly commands us to, "resist him, firm in your faith." We must make war against the world, the flesh, and the devil, or we will be destroyed by them.
Holy Church is under attack from the inside and out, and the battle rages hotter than ever. In an age when many seek to dethrone God or declare him dead, we must rise up like St. Michael to defend his glory, saying, "Who is like unto God?"
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle.


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These two common words can be very challenging for our students to learn. Part of the reason may be that they do not have an equivalent in many other languages. An additional difficulty comes from the fact that most plurals are formed by adding "s", yet the singular form is does (with an s) and the plural is do (no s).
Here are a few suggestions for practicing do and does.
- Book 2a of Interactive English focuses on do/does on Day 5. You can provide extra practice by asking students to bring pictures of their families (or show pictures on their phone). Group students in pairs and have them look at a picture with several people in it. They can then practice a dialog similar to this to guess who the family members or friends are:
Student A: I'm thinking of my mother.
Student B: Does she have brown hair?
Student A: Yes, she does. / No, she doesn't.
Student B: Does she have blue eyes?
Have students continue asking questions until they can guess the person.
Alternatively, you can bring in magazine pictures of people or objects and have students ask questions.
These activities can work in both one-on-one situations and when teaching groups.
- Play go fish. All you need for this game is a deck of cards. Have students ask questions such as "Do you have a five?"
If you are teaching a group, you can expand on this after each turn by asking students what another student has: "Does Maya have a six?"
- Have you more advanced students make up their own sentences. Create two piles of cards: nouns and verbs. (A great way to do this is to have students make the cards.) Have one student pick up a verb card and a noun card, then ask a question. The second student (or you, if it's a one-on-one class) must answer. Have fun with this game as there may be nonsense questions, such as "Do you eat a table?"


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To begin the discourse, Ambedkar defines nationalism as "a feeling…..a feeling of the corporate sentiment of oneness which makes those who are charged with it feel that they are kith and kin. It is a feeling of consciousness of a kind which on the one hand binds together those who have it and on the other, serves them for those who are not of their kind. It is a longing not to belong to any other group". This kind of perception envisions nationalism as a matter of cumulative effect of the driving force of history, and hence, is possessed of underlying organic unity, which can best be expressed in term of Hindu – not strictly in the religious sense – leave aside its dogmatic and ritualistic dimensions. Here the nomenclature Hindu refers to a geo-cultural worldview tantamount to veritable Indian nationalism.
Myopic critics refer to burning of Manusmriti by Ambedkar in 1936. But it is to be recalled that out of 2685 verses of contemporary Manusmriti 1471 were distorted (Umesh Patri, Veda and Bible, p.86). Moreover, Ambedkar testified progressive development of thought process since 1936; otherwise, he would not have visited one RSS camp and attended 'Makar Sankranti Utsav' at Pune along with Dr Hedgewar in 1939. He acknowledged that RSS attempt to eliminate untouchability conformed assimilative procedure, but he was hurried to achieve it.
Ambedkar's Hindu Worldview
Dr Ambedkar's worldview on Hindu phenomenon transformed perceptibly in the years to come. By 1948 when Ambedkar scripted "Who are the Sudras? How the Fourth Varna Came?" he had transformed the stand undertaken in 1936. He embarked upon the Puranas and the Shastras for this work. He clubbed the Shudras, out of his study, the solar dynastic Kshatriyas. He quotes 'Purusha Sukta' that the Indo-Aryan nation was composed of five tribes, which had been assimilated into one common Indo-Aryan people. These
Tribes denote the Gandharvas, Pitris, Devas, Asuras and Rakshas. His study of the caste problem involves four points, viz,
• Despite the composite makeup of the Hindu population, there is deep cultural unity.
• Caste is parcelling into bits of larger cultural unity,
• There was one caste to start with.
• Classes have become castes through imitation and examination.
More importantly, in the same work, Ambedkar dared the Aryan invasion theorists to come up with evidence. He ridiculed this theory as a figment of the imagination of the colonial super-structure. To him, Arya is a measure of culture and not the name of a race. He denied that a racial or colour basis was behind the emergence of the caste factor. He studied that the people in the south of India were always called Arya. It is noticed seriously that unlike the Marxists he did not comprehend the Dalit factor in term of class. This kind of approach finds a striking resemblance with the contention of the Hindu nationalists.
To Ambedkar, people in this vast territory known as 'Jambudvipa' in Purana had the same culture though they differed in their dresses, language, food habits for their culture was moulded and highly influenced by the long civilisational chord of India, having origin in different parts of this vast territory and they were bound together by the same thought, same way of thinking, same way of logic and regular exchange of views.
Hindu Unity and 'Hindutva'
Ambedkar corroborates with Savarkar's formulation of Hindutva. According to Savarkar, "The followers of Vedicism, Sanatanism, Jainism, Buddhism, Linguism, Sikhism, the Arya Samaj, the Deva Samaj, and such other religions of Indian origin are Hindus, and constitute Hindudom, ie., the Hindu people as a whole – consequently the so-called aboriginal or hill tribes are also Hindus; because India is their Fatherland ('pitribhu') as well as their Holy Land (poonyabhu'), whatever form of religion or worship they follow".
Keeping this study in mind, while speaking on the Hindu Code Bill in the Provisional Parliament in 1951, Ambedkar urged the members to have a common civil code which could do away with the rules of Hindu Law scattered in innumerable (judicial) decisions. Moreover, it would include in it the Vira Shaivas or Lingayata, Brahmo Samaj, Prarthana Sabha, Arya Samaj as well as Bauddhas, Jainas and Sikhs. Therefore, his plea was that simply provision enacting temple entry of the untouchables is not enough. "All that can do is to recognise them as nationals and not aliens", he stated.
When Ambedkar introduced the Hindu Code Bill, one Sikh Member, Sardar Hukum Singh, observed that the Bill was a dubious attempt on the part of the Hindus to absorb the Sikhs. Ambedkar replied, "The application of Hindu Code to Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains was a historical development, and it would be too late, sociologically, to object to it. When the Buddha differed from the Vedic Brahmins, he did so only in matters of creed but left the Hindu legal framework intact. He did not propound a separate law for his followers. The same was the case with Mahavir and the ten Sikh 'gurus'".
Earlier a division had taken place regarding the position of uniform civil code in the Fundamental Rights Committee of the Constituent Assembly. 4/5 majority decided to keep it outside the ambit of the Fundamental Rights. The four dissenting voice was led by Ambedkar. The dissenting note read, "One of the factors that have kept India backward from advancing to nationhood has been the existence of personal laws based on religion which keeps the nation divided into water-tight compartments into many aspects of life. We are of the view that a uniform civil code should be guaranteed to the Indian people within a period of five to ten years".
Dr Ambedkar was out and out against cow slaughter so much so that he regarded cow as parents and revered friend.
Prof. Balraj Madhok makes an appraisal thus: "He (Ambedkar) was an admirer of humanistic Vedic thought and culture. He, therefore, did not get out of the broad commonwealth of Hinduism which included all sects and 'panths' of Indo-Vedic origin. He ultimately embraced Buddhism, which provided him full scope for mental, moral and spiritual growth through the pursuit of 'Dhamma' as interpreted by Mahatma Buddha without getting alienated from the broad stream of Hindu culture" (Organiser, 27.04.2003). Throbbing Ambedkar's bid Koenraad Elst is given to understand that "the religious development and deepening of neo-Buddhism and the process of social reform and psychological modernisation in Hindu society ensures that the two will meet again in the not too distant future". (Who is a Hindu? p.316). Thus Ambedkar emerges as Martin Luther and John Calvin in the annals of Hindu nationalism.
Against the Breaking India Forces
Ambedkar became extraordinarily vocal when the Muslim League clamoured for Pakistan in its Lahore session. As a matter of reaction, he wrote down a voluminous work entitled "Thoughts on Pakistan" in 1941 which he revised in 1946 under the title "Pakistan, or Partitioning India". He frequently employed the expression "Hindu India" in this work. In his words, "On the 26th of March 1940, Hindu India was startled to attention as it had never before". "…the scheme not only called Hindu India to attention, but it also shocked Hindu India".
Ambedkar put a question in this context, "The partition of Bengal was abrogated in 1911 by the British who yielded to the Hindus who were opposed to it…If the partition of Bengal had not been annulled, the Muslim State in Eastern Bengal…would now have been 39 years old..: "The Hindu sentiment is quite natural, that is to claim India as a nation, which was denied by the Anglo-Indians". "It may be open to Hindus to ask Mr.Jinnah, if he is in favour of a Muslim majority in Muslim Provinces, why is he opposed to a Hindu majority in the Centre ?..The abandonment of a principle of majority rule in politics cannot affect the Hindus very much in other walks of life. As an element of social life, they will remain a majority". Ask any Hindu …he would opt for a United India".
Ambedkar devoted Chapter IV of his work Pakistan, or the Partition of India under the title "Break-up of Unity" recalling rampant Islamic rampage in India quoting massively from Dr Titus's "Indian Islam". Keeping this backdrop in mind, he argued in favour of vivisection of India thus: "The association of Muslims in the Army would be disadvantageous to Hindustan.. A safe Army is better than an unsafe border…Can the Hindus depend upon such an Army (composed of Muslims) to defend the country against the invasion of Afganistan ?…The realist must take note of the fact that the Musalmans look upon the Hindus as kafirs, who deserve more to be exterminated than protected".
Benefactor of Hindu Nationalism
Earlier Ambedkar was also contemplating to embrace Sikhism. In his words, "If the Depressed Classes join Islam or Christianity, they not only go out of the Hindu religion but also Hindu culture. This is by no means a small disadvantage to the Hindus". These remarks exhibit his attachment to Hindu culture, or rather Indianness, which he was not prepared to give up observes Madhu Lemay.
Ambedkar had to wait till October 15, 1956, two months earlier to his sad demise, when he embraced Buddhism along with his followers. He expressed, "Buddhist religion is an integral part of Indian culture itself. I have taken all care to see that this conversion does not harm this country's culture, history and tradition". The conversion took place at Ramtek, near Nagpur, which was erroneously interpreted by some critics as to flex muscle in the citadel of RSS.
Ambedkar was careful that "any division in our country will again deprive us of our freedom. As a result of several centuries of slavery it is possible that several distortions like discrimination between high and low, economic disparities, backwardness and casteism crept into our society. But if some foreigners try to use these as a tool to deprive us of our identity, we shall not allow this to happen. We shall frustrate their intentions. It is our domestic matter and, therefore, we shall not become tools in the hands of foreigners. We have to be cautious about those who act as Jaichands among us. We should well realise the interest of the nation and the society of which we are part and parcel." He corroborated with the Hindu nationalists that enslavement of India began with Islamic invasions. Further, like the typical Hindu nationalists, Ambedkar distinguished between religion and Dharma and felt the need of both.
Once in 1949 when Ambedkar reached Bombay airport, a delegation met him to make the saffron flag as the national one. He received a piece of the saffron flag from them and remarked, "On my point, I would advocate the adoption of this flag. However, my advocating would not suffice; it would have to be a big people's movement. It is only then my proposal would be strengthened".
Ambedkar had integrating tendency, a 'sine qua non' to the Hindu nationalists while making claims for the Depressed Classes. Even he sought to incorporate the Muslims in the mainstream of our national life so much so that they belong to the same racial stock. However, he spurned the minority syndrome as usually raised by the secularists.
Ambedkar displayed communities of views along with the Hindu nationalists not only on the wider wavelength of Indian nationalism, but every issue is entailing it which may be probed as a matter of perusal. Selective references on him would only lead to fallacious representation, and surprisingly he is phenomenally distorted by the mainstream secularists and casteists to gain currency. It is high time Ambedkar might be studied in entirety and scrutinised with critical reasoning, and not mere bank on his dismissal of dogmatic, ritualistic dimensions of Hinduism. He surfaces as a genuine benefactor to the cause of Hindu nationalism in right perspective.
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- The meat of the slaughterfish is meally and noisome, but dried slaughterfish scales are said by locals to be "a crunchy treat" when prepared in the native manner. Foreigners are advised to beware of slaughterfish scales.[2]
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A friend of mine at school was a rapper working with a DJ who was sampling and at lunch time we played each others demos. I hear his demos and was like "it sounds like hiphop, how did you do that?" Ah, it's a sampler!
But then [I got] into the piano more. It was a lot of Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Herbie Hancock, Kenny Kirkland. He was a great piano player who used to play with Branford Marsalis. They were huge influences. And then when it came back to club music, like I said a lot of jungle and I really didn't care who made it, I was a big Peshay fan when he was really doing it.
With the double bass?
Yeah exactly! The Nu Yorican Soul album was a life changer, absolutely! The Innerzone Orchestra stuff. Early Jazzanova, when I first was in the UK, Caravelle, Fedime's flight - that early Jazzanova shit, that was a huge influence. So yeah, it was a pretty broad mix of everything but generally if it had some hump and some groove and some musicality, then I liked it!
Jazzanova – Fedime's flight
That's also one reason of the reasons why we've followed your musical output for years. Everything from neo-soul, to broken beats, to 4/4 deep house to hiphop to jazz. Are there any musical genres and styles you're curious to discover?
There´s always more to do, I mean I love to collaborate with a rock guitarist, and have a real culture clash and see what happens. I love collaborating with different people, I think everyone you work with have a different background. You know, Miguel's background is between classical and jazz, and we crossover in the jazz, but then, his classical thing is pretty much as far apart from me as my club music is to him. So when we work together it's a whole different vibe, which is beautiful, I love that. And there´s always more people to collaborate with and everyone brings out something different from each other.
Any dream collaborations?
D'Angelo, Herbie Hancock, Q-Tip, maybe a few more. But I'm lucky that I've been able to work with people who I really respect, I mean someone like Pino Palladino, we play together all the time, whenever we see each other we play. He'll call me up saying "what are you doing?" He'll come around and he has his bass with him, so then yeah, I guess we're gonna play haha! It's super cool that I have that kind of relationship.
When I do Church in New York, another bass player, Mark Kelly, he's The Roots bass player now, he does Church, and he's amazing, you know I feel very lucky to work with different talents and also pretty much of the amount of music I've made now, if it's someone I wanna work with I can call them and about at least half the time they probably heard something I've done, so there's a nice angle to start working.
I did a remix for [Brazilian musician and producer] Ed Motta a few years ago, I had a lot of fun with that. We've never worked directly but we talked about a little bit and that'll be fun. I like it when music is fun basically. If we're enjoying it then I collaborate with anyone almost.
Ed Motta –E Muita Gig Vei (Mark De Clive-Lowe Mix)
You know that D'Angelo had the world premiere of his tour in Stockholm in January?
Yeah, I saw the videos! When I saw the Voodoo tour that changed my life definitely, so it's great to see him back. About a month before that tour I did a gig with Chris Dave with his band and Pino was playing base, and it was funny because we were playing The Line. Hearing Chris and Pino playing that together, I was like "Wow! Shit, this is a great band!"
We interviewed Robert Glasper and Chris Dave here last summer and heard that they've joined you at the Church sessions to jam. How did you hook up with them? Any plans to record anything together?
Haha, dude, I was playing and I look up and Chris was on the drums! Haha! Simple as that! Robert and I have met a few times over the years and now whenever we see each other we catch up. We haven't done anything musical together but we talked about it. But right he's stupid busy, and I'm pretty busy, but it will happen. We're always saying let's go in the studio one day and fuck around and see what happens. Chris, whenever I see him we get together, he's a great musician.
Absolutely! To us, one of the highlights of the D'Angelo concert was the 8-minute drum break session with just Chris Dave on stage when the rest of the band took a breather.
Yeah, I can see that! Chris is crazy!
Chris Dave drum solo @ Philadelphiakyrkan, Sthlm, Jan 26th 2012
What are your inspirations today? Records or tunes that have recently blown your mind?
I do listen to a lot of old music, and I think.. no, without going on about that, forget what I was going to say, haha!
I love the James Blake record, that was really fresh, so different. And being in LA, with the Brainfeeder crew with Gaslamp Killer, there's always good stuff. I did the Low End Theory weekly party a few month back and it was fun to play it. It was also fun to hear the Low End Theory resident DJ's play their own music and stuff their working on and the kind of bass culture in LA that's really cool, I like that. It's a really cool party, I think James Blake was DJ'ing that night, and he did an amazing dub step set.
And also, I hear a lot of music, a lot of new music, because I working on it myself. I collaborate with Zed Bias a lot, and I love what he's doing. But I do feel a little overwhelmed with new music right now. I mean, the number of people who hit me on Soundcloud or send me an mp3 or send me an Bandcamp link. I can't listen to everything, and when I do take the time to listen to it, it's not very often that I'm impressed.
But I really love people who work on their craft and master what they doing to a point where they have their own sound. But if I wanna hear something that sounds like Flying Lotus, I listen to Flying Lotus basically. Not that I answered your question at all, haha!
Mark de Clive-Lowe live @ Low End Theory Party LA dec 14 2011
We love what you do, and it's just great to hear where that comes from.
It comes from a lot of old music really. Like the arrangement, musical content comes from the influence of all the older music, of what I call classic music. The sonic approach and sometimes the production approach is influenced by new music, and somewhere in the middle it meets up, if that makes sense.
Another of our favorite track of yours is the Cosmos track with Sandra St Victor. It was the first time we heard a straight up house tune from you and it got such a driving gospelesque vibe to it. How did that song come about?
She smashed that tune, she smashed that! I first saw her on backing vocals at a Chaka Khan gig. Chaka to be honest didn't sound that good. And near the end of the show, she let her backing vocalists sing like eight bars each, and this woman named Karen Bernaud went first and she sounded amazing, and I was thinking "Wow, she sound so amazing, surely this other girl won't sound that good?" And next girl was Sandra St Victor, she sounded incredible! So this is back in the myspace days, so I hit Sandra up on myspace, said I loved that gig, you sounded amazing, and we just kept in touch over the years.
Sandra St Victor & MdCL - Cosmos
And then maybe two years ago I was doing a show in Brooklyn, she happened to be visiting New York, so I said why don't you come down and jam a bit. She did the whole gig and it was this crazy mix of soul, funk, opera, gospel, I mean even opera, it was crazy!
So after that, we were like I guess we're gonna make some music now? Haha! I just chose some tracks that I was working on or I might have made one fresh for her, and she just knocked them out.
Any upcoming collaborations with her or tracks with a similar vibe coming up?
Actually I'm doing her next album at the moment, which is basically a downtempo soul record, with no dancefloor stuff, and she sounds amazing on it.
Sandra St Victor - At My Spheres/F.M.A.O.-ocity/Cosmos/Cosmos (Souled remix)
You're coming back to Stockholm in May. We haven't had the chance to experience it ourselves yet but heard so much about Church. Tell us about the Church concept.
Yeah, that's not a Church gig, because basically when I do Church it's bringing other musicians with me and we go from the jazz like I said and then more the club thing, but then I also do a solo live set, which we call Remix:Live, and I'll have acapellas on the turntables and then I create live remixes. Everything is made as it happens, nothing's prepared, and it's basically a house set, but it's all live. That's gonna be a lot of fun!
Any plans of recording/releasing the Church experience on wax/mp3?
Yeah, at some point, I mean I record almost every gig. There may be some releases of that maybe. I'm also working on a new record, it's definitely influenced by Church and will have some of that vibe in it. It's really cool because it has brought me back to my jazz roots and helped my find ways to bring that together with the other stuff. So you're gonna hear that more by the next album, for sure.
Mark de Clive-Lowe 'Zombie' (REMIX:LIVE at Southpaw)
I've started working on an album right now, I've been given an open access to the vault of four great classic jazz labels. They told me to do whatever I want [with their back catalogue]. So I've started that, and that's gonna be the next album. Basically remixing and sampling, some Coltrane, some Ellington, all sorts of stuff, so just fucking with it, having fun with it basically, haha! So that's definitely gonna crossover into Church.
Talking about jazz remakes, did you hear the 1960 What remix by Opolopo?
Yeah, I love Gregory Porter, he'll be doing Church in New York sometime for sure. And Opolopo did a great job on that.
Gregory Porter - 1960 What? (Opolopo Kick & Bass Rerub)
There's a whole movement of New Zealand artists, like Fat Freddy's drop with Joe Dukie, Electric Wire Hustle with Mara TK, Benny Tones and now Myele Manzanza & Funkommunity, all fantastic musicians. Where does that sound come from and what makes it so rhythmic and laid-back?
The sound comes from dub, roots and reggae. There's a huge history of that in New Zealand. Especially in Wellington, which is where, all those guys are from. They got into Badu, Dilla and all sorts of other stuff, but they love that reggae dub bottom in. There's a lot of great stuff coming out of there. But in Auckland where I grew up there were definitely more house and jungle, and the two cities had their different sounds, it's kind of interesting.
I guested on keyboards on a couple of tracks for Myele Manzanza. He's one of my favorite new talents out of New Zealand, I dig what he's doing. And I did a track together with Dallas Tamaira (Joe Dukie) that's never come out called So Tru. Every now and then I listen to it, or a play it to someone, and they be like when are you gonna put it out? And again, funny enough we were listening to the Dwele demos, and at that time Dallas never heard Dwele. So one day I was playing him all that stuff, and we said let's make some music! So it was again influenced by Dwele haha!
Myele Manzanza - Big Space feat. MdCL
But you know I try whenever I can, especially when I get back to New Zealand, I try to do some collabs and work with people. There's an amazing producer named Submariner very few people know about outside of New Zealand. But he's like New Zealand's Pete Rock, he's crazy. He produced a record for a samoan rapper named Khaz the Field Style, and most of the record is in samoan, but his flow is so hip, it's like listen to De La Soul, but in Samoan. Even if you don't understand it, sounds cool you know, haha!
Recloose - Dust feat. Joe Dukie (Submariner Mix)
But is there a "New Zealand sound"?
There's definitely a sound, but I don't feel part of it. I definitely am very proud to be from New Zealand, and I am a New Zealand musician by definition, because that's where I am from. But New Zealand sound, especially the way you talk about it, evolved pretty much after I left. It was starting with Fat Freddy's Drop, and before that there was a band called Bongmaster, and they started developing that sound for sure. It was funny because they had a band called the Crackhead Experience. And Fat Freddy's Drop is the name of type of acid. Haha! So yeah they were all kinda interrelated.
Bongmaster – Ground my ego
But I feel much more influenced by my time in the UK as far as stylistically and then a lot of american music. From the jazz side, sixties and seventies jazz through to Dilla, Soulquarians and the whole Philadelphia sound. To me, those were the things that shaped me more then the New Zealand sound.
But I definitely support them, it's all family. And it's great seeing people like Electric Wire Hustle, they're almost ten years younger than me, and I saw them growing up and it's great seeing them doing their shit, it's very cool.
There so many great live bands, who does these live hiphop shows. Jazz musicians who grew up on Dilla like BadBadNotGood, Will Sessions and El Michels Affair, have you ever met these guys?
I checked out some of their music online, but I haven't met them. But it's great to see jazz musician helping jazz music evolve in different ways, and I think Robert Glasper has been a big part of that. And no one did more for it than Dilla, he made it okay for musicians to like drum programmers, that changed the world. Suddenly you got drummers checking out Dilla. It's funny, if I'm working with a drummer, if they haven't checked that stuff out, it's like we can not really communicate musically. That's part of the language now, which is amazing. One guy changed the language of music, that's incredible!
What can we look forward to from you in 2012?
Well, like I was saying before, this album project remixing and sampling classic jazz releases, that's the next big thing I'm working on. And it may be more than one album to, so that's fun.
There's that, Sandra St Victor's record and then there's a big band album coming out on Tru Thoughts. It's like a twenty piece big band and I have the MPC and keyboard and stuff, it's quite fun. The big band is called the Rotterdam Jazz Orchestra, they already exist in Rotterdam, and they asked me to guest with them for a show, and we ended up recording and the record is coming out later on this year. There's always a lot of stuff going on, haha!
Any thoughts of a pure hiphop production album?
Yeah, I thought about it often, I don't know why I haven't done it. I've got notes somewhere with like all the guest haha! I really thought about it. And I know I can get to most of the people I wanna get to quite easily, so I'd love that to happen.
MC John Robinson guested on Church in New York, and the last month was the anniversary of Biggie's death, so we did an acoustic jazz kind of flip of Unbelievable. John got up, DJ Spinna was doing cuts with the R. Kelly sample on that. Spinna, the band, John, it was crazy. John was rocking the "Biggie Smalls is the illest" and then Spinna cut up "Biggie Smalls is the illest", haha! It's not online or anything yet, but I know that show was video'ed and I'm pretty sure it was recorded, so there's potential there. We had so much fun playing, especially to do it in New York on that day. And maybe if the recording didn't work out I'm actually may re-record it some time anyway.
You know, I love hiphop to death, like a lot, so it would be great to do a project like that.
Biggie Smalls - Unbelievable (1994)
Lastly to wrap things up, got any memorable tour stories?
There's a million tour stories, there's plenty I can't even repeat, haha! But it's been great to be in a seat to see the world this way, you know, to go places I never thought I go. To be able to share music to people who I never thought I meet is amazing. And it's a really blessed and privileged lifestyle, and seem to be continuing, so I feel very lucky like that.
That's it. We're looking forward to all your upcoming project in 2012 and hope to hook up soon again!
If you missed out on Part 1 of the interview check it here: The Beathearts MdCL sit-down part 1.
Beathearts selection of MdCL freebies:
Church mixtape vol.1 & 3:
Download: Mark de Clive-Lowe - Church Vol.1 + Church Vol.3
As a bonus here's MdCL's ode to the late Teena Marie:
Download: Mark de Clive-Lowe ft. Sy Smith - Teena (Lovergirl Syberized)