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Posted: Tue 28 Aug 2012, 14:12
Post subject: Re: anyone figure out way to control the volume
thisisvv wrote:
still love this MPD but how do we control the volume ....my volume comes full 100% out of this MPD ->DAC->Active crossover->Amp
also i tried full blwon puppy linux and a player where in software i controil the voume but it is not sounding right at all...
anmy ideas...
Hi thisvv, I provided instructions for this several pages back but never received a response from you:
Let me know if you something isn't working/doesn't make sense.
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Posted: Mon 03 Sep 2012, 10:14
Post subject: Works Great! How about adding Shairport?
First of All, please let me express a heartfelt thanks. mpdpup has breathed new life into my old laptop and allowed me to have a silent, efficient and stable music jukebox in my family room.
I am linux *newb* and it took me quite a while to figure out how to get it to boot since my laptop bios does not allow booting from USB. I finally figured it out (had to edit menu.lst and change usbflash to dev/hda1).
before mpdpup I was running, xp+itunes and the setup was really slow and made the laptop overheat.
One function I find missing is to be able to use airplay. I had shairport4w which is a windows port of shairport (https://github.com/albertz/shairport). So, I could either play stored music or, use my iPhone to stream to the speakers.
I looked into this and according to http://blog.mornati.net/2012/03/22/shairport-turn-your-linux-in-an-airplay-speaker/ you can install it on fedora using the commands listed in the link.
However, due to my *newbness* I have no clue how to add "openssl-devel libao libao-devel perl-Crypt-OpenSSL-RSA perl-IO-Socket-INET6 perl-libwww-perl avahi-tools". Nor do I know enough to understand the next steps...
So, a.can shairport live peacefully with mpd? and if so, b. can someone be kind enough to write step-by-step instructions for this?
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Posted: Mon 03 Sep 2012, 21:36
Post subject: Re: Works Great! How about adding Shairport?
yakudi wrote:
One function I find missing is to be able to use airplay. I had shairport4w which is a windows port of shairport (https://github.com/albertz/shairport). So, I could either play stored music or, use my iPhone to stream to the speakers.
However, due to my *newbness* I have no clue how to add "openssl-devel libao libao-devel perl-Crypt-OpenSSL-RSA perl-IO-Socket-INET6 perl-libwww-perl avahi-tools". Nor do I know enough to understand the next steps...
Hi, Yakudi. Glad you were able to get mpdPup installed. Regarding Shairport, unfortunately based on your package list above I can see that it's based on Perl. It's certainly possible to get this working on mpdPup, but I know from past experience that getting perl based projects installed can require quite a bit of effort and tinkering. That's why I ultimately decided to leave Perl out of the mpdPup core packages. That said, I believe it's in the devx file for people who want to tinker. At a high level a few things would be required:
Copy the devx file in the first post to your flash drive, add it to the list of files to be loaded using the bootmanager in XWindows
Compile/Install Libao (I can help you if you actually proceed with this
Use perl to install
, muddle through CPAN to install all the other packages
Install Shairport using the instructions on Github, cross fingers
A better use of your time might be to petition the mpd core developers to add native support - RAOP/Airtunes nearly made it into mpd 0.17 but was dropped because the original RAOP developer never fixed all the bugs. The developers are available on the mpd dev team alias. Old thread here:
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Posted: Mon 03 Sep 2012, 21:52
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I've got a real newb question here... what is it exactly that MPDPup does? How does one use it?
...I assume that it provides a central location for music storage, and ways of playing music from that central storage device over a network (streaming)?
Bear in mind I'm no audiophile, and I have a smallish (relatively speaking) music collection... so I've never looked into anything like what this sounds to be.
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Posted: Mon 03 Sep 2012, 22:45
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Hi Starhawk,
Basically mpdPup is all about making it easy to install Music Player Daemon (MPD) on the network. MPD is a music playing server, the only way to communicate with/control it is through networked clients. It doesn't store any music, I originally designed it for accessing music over a CIFS share, but later added local storage support (which still has kinks to work out). A lot of mpdPup users (like Yakudi who just posted) aren't necessarily hardcore audiophiles, they're just want to repurpose old hardware into dedicated network music players.
As many audiophiles don't come from a computing background, getting everything set up can be a real challenge, so the idea is to have everything pre-configured or wizard based from an install/setup perspective, and also to have the OS optimized for minimal overhead.
Even for people that have computing backgrounds I think there are still benefits as more advanced things are also pre-configured up like hardware remote control, LCD support, etc. That's basically my own personal benefit in maintaining the project - any research I do becomes hard-coded in the iso so that I don't have to go off and research it again when I upgrade the base OS.
Further reading:
What MPD is and is Not
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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2012, 22:55
Post subject: iMon
Hey idolse,
Just wondering what header the iMon connects to on the board?
Is it the usb bus?
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Posted: Thu 06 Sep 2012, 02:48
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Hi Pet-240, yes - it's USB based.
Depending on which specific iMon model you get it may have a separate power connection for 5 volts of power - if your motherboard power supply doesn't have the weird connector this cable expects it may take a bit of jerry rigging - I took pictures when I did it so I can post a tutorial at some point.
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Posted: Thu 06 Sep 2012, 05:16
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Bugger wanting to keep just the WaveIO on the USB bus. Have you seen MPod/MPad working correctly yet? I've had stuff all time to play so just been lurking.
Thanks for the continued efforts!
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Posted: Thu 06 Sep 2012, 12:46
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MPoD/MPaD work fine for me - the only issue I'm definitively aware of is auto-discovery which I'm resolving in the next release (which is moving steadily closer believe it or not). I'm aware you've seen some weirdness with cover art, and while I'll admit I've seen some oddities, cover art in general works just fine for me. At some point I do intend to do a bit more digging.
Regarding USB, I doubt that the iMon and WaveIO would really compete much for resources - the iMon communication is very low bandwidth/intermittent. I recommend giving it a listen before you condemn it. Depending on which type of Mobo you had you could also add an additional USB PCI card - either a high end one like the SOTM for the WaveIO, or a low end one for the iMon just to separate the two devices on the PCI bus.
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Posted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 08:28
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Subject description: WaveIO detection
My mpdpup is sounding very good now, after asking here for some upgrade advice I have added the WaveIO usb interface, this is made noticeable improvement, now using the SPDIF later to try I2S may be better still , thanks for the recommendation . On first impression this is now better than my CD player.
There is one small issue remaining – the waveIO is not detected by pup unless it is powered up after the mpdpup is started . The mute issue was fixed as per post 2 and stays OK.
The wizard does not see the WaveIO , unless usb to waveIO is unplugged and re-plugged(when usb powered) Or when wave is externally powered the power is off - on . Then waveIO is seen by wizard - selected and reboot to save but is gone again on next full power up (after all has been off) .
GMPC reports "problems opening audio device" A power off -on for WaveIO and all is working again.
I could live with power up the waveIO after mpdpup is running, but it would be nice if this was not needed. This did not occur on my previous usb dac interface using the same PC
The PC is a Dell Inspiron 2200 1.4G celeron it does not seem to have too many bios options.
Could it be a problem only with this PC ?
Any suggestions to fix this welcomed, I assume this does not happen to other waveIO users
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Posted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 10:31
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Hi Audiosm,
Your problem actually sounds familiar - I think if you read back through the thread other WaveIO users have mentioned it. I don't have any idea if this is an Linux problem or a problem with the WaveIO itself. Since I don't have a WaveIO and haven't experienced this with other USB Audio adapters I'd suggest asking for help on the WaveIO thread on diyaudio. If they find a solution I'll be happy to integrate it into mpdPup so that it fully works out of the box.
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Posted: Thu 13 Sep 2012, 08:17
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Subject description: WaveIO detection
Thanks Idolse
I will do some more looking , I thought I saw this WaveIO problem referred to before, but cant find it now. I will try for an answer on the waveIO thread if one is not already there, some 100 or so pages to look at first !
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Posted: Fri 14 Sep 2012, 14:11
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Subject description: WaveIO detection
audiosm wrote:
Could it be a problem only with this PC ?
Any suggestions to fix this welcomed, I assume this does not happen to other waveIO users
I think so....I am running a WaveIo as well...and have tried many Boards as described...but never had this issue.
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Location: Toronto, Canada
Posted: Sat 15 Sep 2012, 12:14
Post subject: WaveIO
FYI, I have WaveIO on Alix. Both are powered from same supply. I turn on the switch and mpdpup on Alix always finds WaveIO. In this scenario WaveIO is powered up by the time mpdpup boots and it is discovered no problem.
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Joined: 23 Sep 2012
Posts: 22
Posted: Sun 23 Sep 2012, 15:01
Post subject: different install (little) problems for a LINUX newbie
Subject description: Just got lost in mpdpup since an hour
Hi to all
I am a first timer with LINUX and therefore for mpdpup, so please be indulgent for my silly questions. I am also (almost) dumb for network, IP
I am trying to settle an ASUS1001PX as server and connect to a WinXP Pro PC file server with two HDD, I would like to set the music on the F. Both of them connected in ethernet to ADSL router
I will go out the ASUS with a USB to SPDIF WAVEIO board Lucian is finishing, and then feed, I hope
my AD1865 NOS SRPP DAC.
Install on SD Card with Universal USB Installer was alright with the option "try unlisted LINUX ISO"
First questions
- how can I get french keyboard (nobody is perfect
- is it okay if my F HDD is formated in NTFS or should I reformat it to ExFAT. I do not know what is better
- how can I find the private IP address from my server named SERVEURJLP ?
- what is the exact syntax I should use to indicate the shared documents on my server ?
Thanks a lot !Sorry for not being a LINUX geek
Best Regards from Paris
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Puppy used to undergo radical changes every 6 weeks.
Tsk tsk - the audacity of being radical . . .
Now it takes a little longer . . .
Yep we are still frisky!
i'm sorry to say this is one of the reasons i went to debian
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Post subject: But isn't Puppy now based on Ubuntu?
Hi all,
Coming back to Puppy after a few years away as I want to install it on my netbook. Now I keep reading that Puppy is "built against" Ubuntu and therefore it's binary compatible with it. Now I'm not sure exactly what it means as an end user:
- Can I run and install .deb files?
- Can I add an Ubuntu repository?
- Can I install the latest Ubuntu mainline kernel and/or other drivers/modules?
- Can I get apt-get onto Puppy?
- Are *all* Puppy derivatives based on Ubuntu now? If not, which ones aren't?
I'll be grateful if someone could provide the above details. Thanks for your time!
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Post subject: Difference Between Puppy & Ubuntu
Subject description: Review
The reason I started this was because I read a review on PUPPY. Almost the first thing from the reviewer was how he compared PUPPY against UBUNTU. How if you are doing a review you discuss the good and bad of a release of Linux. To start with you can download Lupu-5.25 in 15 minutes are less about 130 MB. Natty around 700 MB, and there about hour plus to download.
I can download Puppy burn a LiveCD and load it up and the other still downloading. Time from start of download to running OS 30 minutes are less. Puppy is written and compiled to be a small platform. All programs do not always work perfect and the desktop look is not the finest, but again it was build that way. I use a 8 year old system to one that is two months old. I can run almost every release of Puppy 2.14 top 7 to Lupu-5.25. I find some work better than others on all my system. The total is 9 differ systems with each a differ CPU.
Myself I use Puppy, Debian, LinuxMint Debian and sometime Win7. Believe it are not I almost went to Ubuntu Natty until they went the way of Unity. Again I can run Debian on all my systems
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Bernie_by_the_Sea wrote:
sheepy wrote:
Try running compiz effects in Puppy.
Try running a heavily DirectX-dependent 3D game in Wine on Knoppix or Puppy. Chances are, it will work half as often as it will in Ubuntu. I have gotten Aion, Shaiya, Talisman, both Left 4 Dead's, Black Ops, (I hate that game, btw) and Star Wars: Force Unleashed to all work flawlessly under Wine in Ubuntu. I've only had one or two 3D games fail to run under Wine in Ubuntu, while other distros never even have one work.
Well, I don't do games. I dislike Wine strongly and only use it for four minor programs in a sandbox-like compartment. I certainly don't do Direct-X which is one of the most dangerous components of Windows. So I have no personal experience with any of these.
The very existence of Wine proves the superiority of Windows. However, having said that, Wine is Wine. The same version of Wine should work exactly the same in Ubuntu, Knoppix and Puppy. According to the Wine developers there is no difference in how Wine works in various distros.
I find it more than curious that you would attempt to demonstrate the superiority of a Linux distro by how well it runs Windows programs. Odd. This is exactly the same as saying Ubuntu is better because it can run Microsoft Office under Wine better than any other distro.
Running compiz effects? Compiz with compiz effects is installed by default in Knoppix so I looked at it and played with it a bit. Not impressed. As far as Puppy goes, this is a matter of comparing a 120GB distro to a 650GB distro. I know my graphics card/driver can handle compiz with effects but this is a relatively large install for Puppy, at least 22MB and probably more. This is about a two-hour download for me on dialup so I don't think it's worth my time and effort to install it just to demonstrate how easy it is. I can't see that I would ever have any use for it. However, I am certain that compiz effects can be run on Puppy as others have done it in the past.
>Doesn't do gaming
>no experience with it
>Uses dialup
problem exposed, rofl
Also, Wine on Puppy has a very old version of DX and has trouble with some 3d games.
And the fact that you just called Windows superior to Linux completely negates the legitimacy of anything you could possibly say. The only reason why we have Wine is because 90% of computers are Windows, so all the software is made for it.
Also -- going back to Ubuntu vs Puppy -- Puppy appears to only support up to 3gb of ram, and 4 processor cores.
How can you possibly speak so highly of Winblows, yet be all like, "hurr durrr, DirectX is gayy, derrpppp." How hypocritical.
It appears that you hate Ubuntu because it's popular and there are a lot of newfags who give other Linux users a bad name. I'll agree with you there, but it's utterly idiotic to say that Ubuntu is the worst Linux distro, or anywhere near the bottom of the barrel.
Stop being a hipster.
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Posted: Sun 22 May 2011, 19:02
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Bernie_by_the_Sea wrote:
Debian now comes on five or six DVD's.
How many DVD's does it take to hold Ubuntu?
Name one specific task Ubuntu can do that Knoppix can't do... or that Puppy can't do.
Okay, what the f***. You advocate Debian's huge .iso file, then bash on Ubuntu because it's small, but then say these other -- even smaller -- distros [puppy] can do everything either one of them can do.
You're making obvious contradictions. You're a troll, and a good one, I might add. Either you're trolling, or just lacking a significant portion of your brain.
Bernie_by_the_Sea wrote:
Ubuntu is certainly not the most commonly used Linux distro.
Troll. Detected.
Bernie_by_the_Sea wrote:
There is no Linux distro that can do everything Windows can do. The drivers and apps just don't exist.
I have never failed to get a Windows app to run under Linux in either Wine or a VM.
Most importantly, you keep saying all Linux distros are the same and can all do the same thing, so by that logic, what makes Ubuntu so inferior? It should be the same as the rest, remember? Despite the fact that it's frequently updated, and tasks that would normally take hours in other distros can be done in seconds on Ubuntu.
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Posted: Mon 23 May 2011, 05:09
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Berny_by_the_Sea wrote:
the superiority of Windows
This is really a stupid statement.
A buyer of a PC has almost no other choice then to by it with windows on it.
That doesn't prove superiority.
Microsoft with it's 'special marketing techniques' didn't leave much choice for the HW manufacturers and thus for the potential buyer.
It is well proven that the microsoft products are inferior when one thinks of vulnerability.
Also to run Windows PC's have to be bigger and bigger.
Not so the case for f.e. linux distro's like puppy.
Time savers:
Find packages in a snap and install using Puppy Package Manager (Menu).
Consult Wikka
Use peppyy's
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Posted: Thu 16 Jun 2011, 02:21
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The main difference between Puppy and Ubuntu is
10 years back when I finally realized that any OS is installed on a drive and should be able to migrate from machine to machine (like DOS used to be) then I realized that computing was going down hill. That is MS was selling OS's per machine. I didn't know about Linux (other than an occasional mention)
I tried Ubuntu 10.10 for awhile on an older machine and found it enlightening, but cumbersome, point and click, yet confusing, and always refusing me permission to do things (worse than windows)
When I discovered Puppy I knew I found it. Old style computing that gave me control over the machine again, and also with plenty of help screens explaining things like boot loaders. Ultimately I was able to learn more in 6 months of using Puppy then I learned in 15 years of using Windows or Ubuntu.
At present I have Puppy installed in at least 7 different drives.
I have a main laptop used for work
on it is a copy of
ArtistX (UbuntuStudio 10.04)
and a copy of
I have remastered a live CD of PuppyStudio to my liking and have installed it on various USB drives and PC hard drives
I flip to
whenever I need a lot of extra applications (especially video). It also has advantages in hardware choice, such as choosing the default soundcard.
But the workhorse is Puppy. No need to back it up. If the hard drive in my laptap goes, just pop in one of my USB drives (or sticks) and it runs equally as fast. You can't beat that. And you have to appreciate Puppy Studio on the level that only applications that really function well are included. ArtistX has lots of video editors and only one (openshot) is really reliable (to my experience so far)
So both systems have advantages. The great thing about Linux systems is they can be used side by side so easily.
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Posted: Sun 17 Jul 2011, 15:31
Post subject: Re: Difference Between Puppy & Ubuntu
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l2ulinux wrote:
Both Puppy and Ubuntu have a following, as evidenced by the many derivative distros that have arisen from both, such as MacPup, Muppy and Minipup ("puplets") for Puppy, and Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Kubuntu, and Masonux for Ubuntu Linux. However, Ubuntu, the most commonly used Linux distro, according to Distrowatch.com, will seem easier to use for most new users. Its appearance and graphical interface is more similar in function and style to a Windows operating system than Puppy's. Most new users will gravitate to Ubuntu, given this choice, unless older hardware dictates a slimmer operating system, in which case Puppy Linux would be a great choice
The differentiation between "new user" and "experienced user" is quite common when comparing the suitability of Linux distributions for different users, but I want to offer a different perspective.
Let's consider car drivers. Do drivers have a tendency to deal with nuts and bolts as they become more experienced in driving? No. Most experienced as well as new drivers do not care about nuts and bolts. They just want a car to take them where they need without having to deal with its mechanics.
I think the assumption that a computer user will become more interested in understanding and tweaking her operating system as she gets more experienced is wrong. Most Windows users, which are the 90% of computer users at present, don't have a clue about how the system works and are not concerned about. And may be rightly so. They have other interests in life.
I dealt with this question yesterday. A good friend of mine wants to remove Windows XP from his old computer and is looking for a suitable Linux distribution. I am very enthusiastic about Puppy Linux, but as he explained what he needs this computer for (his wife will be watching movies and doing some work on it), his free time - none - and his computer literacy - null, as myself -, following my experience with different distributions (not very extensive, but I did try during the last couple of years Debian, OpenSUSE, Linux Mint and Xubuntu before Puppy), I had to say that the most suitable distribution for him on his 512 RAM machine is Xubuntu. Extremely friendly as all the Ubuntu family, and the Xfce desktop works great with that memory.
Puppy is fantastic for people interested in exploring the system and trying things out, because it is so accesible and open when compared to other OSs. Like a bicycle (well, may be a motorcycle) where everything is exposed compared to a sophisticated motor car. But it is not as convenient as Ubuntu for a person who just wants to push a button and go.
So, rather than "experienced" vs "new user", I would say Ubuntu serves better people who just want to use a computer without worrying about the machine's mechanics, while Puppy is great for users who also have an interest in understanding how the machine works.
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I don't agree at all.
Okay I maybe is not the typical user at all. But I fail to see Ubuntu as friendly or easy to use.
Extremely unfriendly and almost impossible to use. Linux Mint was more friendly and a bit easier.
SuperOS was very much more Friendly due to them already included what took month to learn to add to the Ubuntu install.
But only puppy allowed me to install without shrinking the partition and such.
Ubuntu wanted to do full install unless one used WUBI.
Wubi tended to break when Ubuntu wanted to do automatic upgrade.
One had to find the WUBI version of the upgrade instead.
Nope Ubuntu is only friendly for somebody accepting their way of doing things.
Puppy due to frugal install dual booting without any need for to do a partition and reusing the same partition that Ms Windows already are on was extemely easy to add to a WinXP. More difficult if one had Vista orWin7 but that works nowadays.
Ubuntu had nothing like that so it is not friendly at all. Very unfriendly.
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though
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Posted: Mon 18 Jul 2011, 06:49
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notsonooby's experience trumps again!
Good post, nooby! thanks
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Posted: Mon 18 Jul 2011, 08:34
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Linux Mint and SuperOS are both second generation Ubuntu. I liked Linux Mint a lot and noticed the couple of improvements over Ubuntu. The problem with it was that for my machine with 512mb RAM the main version (Gnome) was a little bit too heavy. In fact it was only because their Xfce version was delayed (the main Xfce developer's wife was hospitalized, I remember reading in their forum at the time) that I tried Xubuntu 10.10 instead, and liked it very much. I didn't try SuperOS, but by its using Unity 3D I guess it will be too heavy for a 512mb RAM machine, which is also my friend's machine memory. Thanks anyway for reminding me, I might advice my friend to try Linux Mint Xfce instead of Xubuntu, though in my experience the differences were not so big. I don't know about Linux Mint Xfce rolling on top of Debian, it appears to be very economic on resources which is very good, but I am afraid a rolling version might cause desalignments my friend will be at a lost to solve.
As for problems with dual booting, I don't have any experience with Xubuntu because I used it alone on my machine. Yet, I did have a not so pleasant experience with Puppy saving the pup_save to hard disk alongside with Windows on the NTFS (Windows) partition:
. Anyway, for my friend this is not a problem because he wants to remove Windows and dedicate his machine to a Linux distro.
I did run into another problem with Puppy, trying to install an HP printer, for which Lucid 5.2.5 has not a suitable hplip driver and therefore cannot be installed in it:
. This is why I moved to Wary 5.1.2 for which there is a suitable hplip driver. Later on
confirmed in a PM to me that this specific printer does need an hplip driver which at the moment was not available for Lucid 5.2.5.
All in all, in my short experience till now, I did have to invest more time and effort to learn and customize Puppy than I had to learn and customize Xubuntu. And this is what I mean when I say the Ubuntu operating systems are more friendly to new users than Puppy. The point is not flexibility (a typical a newcomer from Windows will not be sure what you mean by that - remastering your system? what?) but how easy it is to start using the system and go on using it over time.
I personally enjoy the learning, and at present I mostly enjoy the lightness and fastness of Puppy, and I know very well that both, lightness (flexibility too) and learning, are intrinsically related. But not everyone is into it. I tend to think most users want their computer to do what they usually do with a computer, not to learn the operating system or to create one of their own.
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Posted: Tue 19 Jul 2011, 08:19
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You are right when you say:
most users want their computer to do what they usually do with a computer, not to learn the operating system or to create one of their own.
However, you then say that they actually get this from Xubuntu.
My experience is you don't get this from ANY distro. At some point, be it Windows, Puppy, Xubuntu or whatever their computer will not do what they want it to do.
When this happens they will go to their geekie friend or a dealer. These guys HAVE to learn the operating system in order to help.
Now, the question becomes which operating system would I recommend that ensures I get them coming back to me as little as possible? I don't know Xubuntu so cannot say anything about that.
Up until recently I would have said Ubuntu was possibly a good way to go because of the large number of users and help available. Now, with their recent changes (Grub2, Unity interface before tablets are the norm) and more in the pipeline I am not so sure.
Puppy has its prolems but once a geek sets it up for someone I think they can go away and use it and you will get little comeback.
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Posted: Tue 19 Jul 2011, 08:46
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Marcelo wrote:
I did run into another problem with Puppy, trying to install an HP printer, for which Lucid 5.2.5 has not a suitable hplip driver and therefore cannot be installed in it:
. This is why I moved to Wary 5.1.2 for which there is a suitable hplip driver. Later on
confirmed in a PM to me that this specific printer does need an hplip driver which at the moment was not available for Lucid 5.2.5.
There are actually two choices for making your D1663 work in Lupu. Lluamco's full HPLIP print/scan package was always available
Or you can now use the printer-only hplip_print-3.11.5.pet from
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Posted: Tue 19 Jul 2011, 09:15
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Marcelo wrote:
I tend to think most users want their computer to do what they usually do with a computer, not to learn the operating system or to create one of their own.
I think most people getting into PCs thought that about windoze, too - but, boy, were we sucker-punched!
I still see a comparison betwwen Puppy and any of the buntus as being a chalk and cheese exercise, as buntu seems more like windoze now than windoze ......
However, I do like 525>
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Posted: Tue 19 Jul 2011, 23:03
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I got started in Linux with Puppy a couple of years ago. Have to say I use Ubuntu Natty as my regular Distro. I'm just a guy that needs Bluetooth to enjoy life. Fluppy has a rudimentary bluetooth working but that's about all I have found. Every Ubuntu I've used has bluetooth. Without proper interface to the outside world I don't get the point of having a computer.
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In other words, this is like buying North Dakota (now the No. 2 energy producer, after Texas and ahead of Alaska, thanks to shale) if ETFs would add state funds to their existing complement of country funds.
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As a partner in the MLP, "you're gonna get a K1," Schuringa says. "CPAs have said 'I don't get paid and compensated enough for the additional work of filing 10 K1s.' [CPAs] are big influencers of investment decision," he says. "But for a 15% return per annum, it's not worth [passing on]." Pay the CPA more to do it, he says.
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Sen. John Tester, D-Mont., said to Walter: "I think this [rulemaking] should be a priority because it is a benefit to investors. You should push it."
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After gauging costs, she said, the SEC should "take a hard look at the different rules that are applicable" to advisors and broker-dealers "to see where they should be harmonized."
Noting that the agency has "extensive experience in the regulation of broker-dealers and investment advisors," Walter told lawmakers in her testimony regarding the agency's progress in implementing Section 913 of Dodd-Frank that SEC economists continue to review "current information and available data about the marketplace for personalized investment advice" regarding investment advisors and broker-dealers, and the "potential impact of the [SEC] study's recommendations."
The SEC, Walter said in her remarks, believes "the public can provide further data and other information to assist us in determining whether or not to adopt a uniform fiduciary standard of conduct or otherwise use the authority provided under Section 913 of the Dodd-Frank Act." She said the SEC would likely seek public comment in the "next month or two."
Specifically, Walter said the SEC is drafting a public request for information to obtain data specific to the provision of retail financial advice and the regulatory alternatives. "The request aims to seek information from commenters—including retail investors, as well as industry participants—that will be helpful to us as we continue to analyze the various components of the market for retail financial advice," she said.
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"…It has been clear to me from the outset that the Act's significant expansion of the SEC's jurisdiction over OTC derivatives, private fund advisors, municipal advisors, clearing agencies, and credit rating agencies, among others, could not be handled appropriately with the agency's previous resource levels without undermining the agency's other core duties," she said. "This is proving especially true as we turn from the first step of rulewriting to efforts to support and monitor implementation and the ongoing process of examinations and enforcement of those rules." While Congress' fiscal 2012 appropriation gave the SEC the resources to hire additional staffers needed to fulfill its rulewriting responsibilities, Walter continued, "I believe that the SEC does not yet have all the resources necessary to fully implement the law."
Enactment of President Barack Obama's budget request for fiscal 2013, she said, would fill "the remaining gaps." The request would give $1.566 billion, and permit the agency to hire 676 additional people, Walter said. "A number of these new hires are needed to focus on enforcement, examinations, regulatory oversight, and economic and data analysis related to the Act."
To date, the SEC has made "substantial progress in writing the huge volume of new rules" under Dodd-Frank, Walter said, as well as in conducting the various studies required by the Act.
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Richard Childress Racing teammates finished 10th (Paul Menard), 12th (Kevin Harvick) and 18th (Jeff Burton).
Menard is 10th in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series driver championship point standings, trailing leader Jimmie Johnson by 71 markers, while Harvick ranks 12th, 87 points back, and Burton sits 23rd, 133 points out of the top position.
The No. 27 Chevrolet SS team ranks 10th in the Sprint Cup Series owner championship point standings, with the No. 29 team 14th and the No. 31 team 25th.
Menards' 10th-place finish marks his fourth top-10 finish of the season.
Menard spent 215 Laps in the Top 15, sixth-most of any driver in the event.
According to NASCAR's Post-Race Loop Data Statistics, Harvick was the fourth-Fastest Driver Early in a Run, had the fourth-fastest Green Flag Speed and was fifth-Fastest on Restarts.
Harvick spent 255 of the 267 Laps in the Top 15 while maintaining an 8.326 Average Running Position, placing him third and fifth, respectively, in the loop data categories.
Burton made 79 Green Flag Passes (37 while running in the top 15) during the 267-lap race, the third-most of any driver in the event.
Burton spent 181 Laps in the Top 15, ninth-most of any driver in the event.
Matt Kenseth earned his second victory of the 2013 Sprint Cup Series season and was followed to the finish line by Kasey Kahne, Jimmie Johnson, Martin Truex Jr. and Clint Bowyer.
The next Sprint Cup Series race is the Richmond 400 at Richmond International Raceway on Saturday, April 27. The ninth race of the 2013 season is scheduled to be televised live on FOX beginning at 7 p.m. Eastern Time and broadcast live on the Motor Racing Network and Sirius XM NASCAR Satellite Radio.
Menard Captures Fourth Top-10 Finish of 2013 Season at Kansas Speedway
Starting the STP 400 from the 12th position, Paul Menard and the No. 27 Pittsburgh Paints/Menards Chevrolet SS finished 10th to capture his fourth top-10 result of the 2013 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series season. In the early laps of the 400-mile event, Menard faced a loose-handling condition. That handling issue led the No. 27 team to make a variety of chassis adjustments during the ensuing pit stops. Pit strategy, coupled with chassis adjustments, allowed Menard to maintain a position inside the top 15 for the majority of the race. Lightning-fast pit stops by the pit crew also provided Menard the opportunity to gain multiple spots on pit road. With just 25 laps remaining in the 267-lap race, the 32-year-old driver settled into 10th and was able to maintain his position for the remainder of the event. The Wisconsin native's top-10 finish allowed him to remain 10th in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series driver championship point standings heading into Richmond International Raceway.
Start – 12 Finish – 10 Laps Led – 0 Points – 10th
"It was an okay day for the Pittsburgh Paints/Menards Chevrolet SS. It was just really hard to pass. We've got some of the best pit stops in the business. My guys do a really good job on pit road, so we gained a lot there. The pace slowed down from yesterday, which really caught us off guard a lot more than we thought. We missed it a little bit, but you've just got to look back and utilize the tools and do a better job of starting the race because we always end pretty good."
Harvick Finishes 12th at Kansas Speedway
Kevin Harvick and the No. 29 Bad Boy Buggies team finished 12th in the STP 400 at Kansas Speedway on Sunday afternoon. The California native started the 267-lap affair from the 17th position and moved into the top five by lap 47. As the race progressed, Harvick informed crew chief Gil Martin the car was developing a loose-handling condition, which the pit crew worked to remedy during multiple two and four-tire pit stops. The team maintained a position within or near the top 10 until the final pit stop on lap 220 when the pit crew bolted on four fresh tires and added fuel. Several teams opted for two-tire pit stops, which placed the Bad Boy Buggies Chevrolet 11th for the final restart. Harvick spent the final laps running in the top 15, ultimately crossing the finish line in the 12th position. Following the STP 400, Harvick sits 12th in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series driver championship point standings.
Start – 17 Finish – 12 Laps Led – 0 Points – 12th
"This was not the result we were looking for today. We had a fast car, but it was just too loose at the end and the final pit stop didn't work in our favor either. We were better on four tires, but a lot of teams took two on the final stop, so we had a lot of ground to make up. Hopefully, we can find some better luck next weekend at Richmond (International Speedway)."
Jeff Burton Finishes 18th at Kansas Speedway
Jeff Burton and the No. 31 American Ethanol Chevrolet SS team finished 18th at Kansas Speedway in the STP 400. Starting the 267-lap event in the 20th position, the South Boston, Va., native showcased he was one of the fastest drivers in the 43-car field by climbing into the top 15 within the first 10 laps, despite a loose-handling condition. As the race progressed, Burton eventually settled into the 12th position and radioed to crew chief Luke Lambert that the green and black machine was tight in the middle of the 20-degree banked corners of the 1.5-mile facility. The 45-year-old driver maintained his top-15 running position for the majority of the race, until the tight-handling condition returned on the final 43-lap green-flag run to the checkered flag. Burton managed to keep a spot within the top 20, despite the tight-handling condition, and eventually crossed the finish line in 18th place to maintain the 23rd position in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series driver championship point standings.
Start – 20 Finish – 18 Laps Led – 0 Points – 23rd
"It is disappointing for the No. 31 team to come out of here with an 18th-place finish with a car that was running in the top-10 and top-15 all day. This American Ethanol team continues to make strides with our 1.5-mile program and we showcased that speed today before the final green-flag run. I feel good about having a strong run next weekend when we head to one of my favorite tracks in the country at Richmond (International Raceway)."
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Union Square/Hollins Market, affectionately known as Sowebo (Southwest Baltimore), may well house the most beautiful of the many tree lined streets of West Baltimore rowhouses. Maybe this is because of the buildings and fountain around the square and the covered market itself, or even more likely it's because this is a wealthier area and the lovely architecture has seen better upkeep. Either way, Union Square really does rival Bolton Hill and Fell's Point for the title of Baltimore's "most beautiful neighborhood." This fact has not been lost on Hollywood, which filmed the 1997 adaptation of Washington Square (based on the Henry James Novel) at Union Square itself. This neighborhood was the home of the revered H. L. Mencken, the Sage of Baltimore, whose acerbic but hilarious wit was unmatched and unstoppable in his times. His extensive writings are memorialized on the fountain in the middle of Union Square, but he remains best known for his coverage of the Scopes Monkey Trial (he himself came up with that name) and his inclusion in the play Inherit the Wind. This community is tight-knit, well organized, and very involved with keeping it a great place to live. The Sunday of Memorial Day Weekend is of course the best time to visit, when Sowebohemian Arts Festival is in full force.
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Reservoir Hill trails only Union Square in terms of architectural beauty, with a real wealth of tall Victorian rowhouses, especially in the Mount Royal Historic District in the southeast section of the neighborhood (by North Ave and the Jones Falls Expy) and the Madison Historic District along Madison Ave. The larger neighborhood, though, is a real patchwork of beautiful blocks next to dilapidated blocks full of boarded up buildings, vacant lots, and the general West Baltimore plague of the drug trade (particularly on the central portion of North Ave at the Madison Park Housing Projects). Just north of the neighborhood is beautiful Druid Hill Park, with its reservoir, the Maryland Zoo, and Botanical Gardens.
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James and myself are happy to announce Fatdog64-620Beta1.
* syslinux updated to 4.06
* e3 updated to 2.8
* package manager: show descriptions, search for packages
* drive-icon: option to redraw/re-order icons when it gets mangled by gparted
* update wpa_supplicant to 2.0
* lxpanel updated to 0.5.12
* Linux 3.7.7
* Seamonkey-2.15.1
* Flash_Player-18.104.22.1681
* Update libbluray to git 1/25/13
* Update libaacs to git 1/25/13
* Update Libvpx to git 1/29/13
* Avidemux-020213
* Gparted-0.14.1
* MesaLib-9.0.2
* xf86-input-joystick-1.6.2
* xf86-input-synaptics-1.6.3
* xf86-input-wacom-0.18.0
* xf86-video-ati-7.1.0
* xf86-video-intel-2.21.0
* xf86-video-modesetting-0.6.0
* xf86-video-nouveau-1.0.6
* Dhcpcd-5.6.7
* Pburn-3.7.15
New Features:
* Supports UEFI and Secure Boot
* Dual isohybrid: one image for ISO and flash drive, and supports UEFI/non-UEFI in a single image.
* Refind 0.6.7 (thanks Rod) UEFI bootloader with shim from Matthew Garret (mjg59)
* Boot menu (thanks smokey01 for insisting on this
* Experimental LVM support - support savefile on LVMs
* Experimental mdadm support - support savefile on mdadm linux software raid
* "Allow read-only access to other users" in event manager (thanks Barbol)
* wvdial options for Virgin Broadband (thanks rerwin)
* autochown daemon automatically keeps all files under Downloads folder always owned by spot
* supports dm-crypt encryption (in addition to cryptoloop)
* new encryption mode: savefile will be encrypted with dm-crypt (=LUKS) by default
(old cryptoloop savefile still recognised and will be loaded properly)
* "savefile" boot option now accepts directory (in addition to a real loop-mounted savefile).
The "+" option in savefile is no longer used, use "/" instead.
* new "dofsck" boot option: check filesystems before mounting. Ext2/3/4 and FAT only.
* User Mode Linux (UML) sandbox. Just add uml_utilities and linux_uml from the repo.
* Xournal for PDF annotation
and numerous bug fixes.
The iso is now 216MB, 10MB of that is due to the UEFI support.
the main SFS is still about 200MB.
As mentioned above, it is a dual hybrid iso. So if you want to make a bootable flash drive you have two options. You can use the Fatdog64 installer to make a flash drive that's bootable only on BIOS computers. Or you can dd the iso image directly to a flash drive and it will boot on BIOS and UEFI. However the flash drive will be wiped and will not be useful for anything other than booting Fatdog64. Assuming your flash drive is sdb and you open a terminal in the same directory as the iso, you would do this to image the flash drive:
# dd if=./Fatdog64-620beta1 of=/dev/sdb bs=4M
Make sure that sdb is your flash drive!
If you're not sure stop! This will wipe out whatever drive you point it to. And if your flash drive shows up with sdb and sdb1 partitions, you'll want to use sdb in the command above.
As always check the FAQs for questions.
They have had some updates. There's a page describing the adding of keys for secure boot. Make sure you use a new save file when testing or boot with savefile=none.
You can get it from ibiblio or it's mirrors:
Also, audio CDs, movie DVDs and movie BluRays are automatically opened by VLC now by clicking on the CD desktop icon. For blurays you will need to install keys.
If you choose to move your Downloads folder to a FAT or NTFS partition, you will need to disable autochown. Go to Control Panel and click on the System tab. Then click on 'Manage Servers and Services'. Select 'autochownd' and 'Stop' to stop it now and 'Disable' to have it not start on the next boot.
EDIT: There is a problem with Linux-3.7.7 and Samsung UEFI laptops that can cause them to brick. Fatdog64-620's next release will have Linux-3.7.9 which has that fixed.
EDIT2: Actually it's fixed in Linux-3.7.7 as long as you don't use the noefi boot parameter on a EFI Samsung laptop. And Beta2 will probably have 3.7.10.
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A couple other things:
One of my favorite new features is the save folder instead of a save file. My stuff is on sda6, so I just create a folder named /fd64save and use this savefile argument in grub :
Now when I boot I don't have to create a save file and my save file only runs out of space when the partition is full. Of course you can name it what you like and put it elsewhere.
Frugal installs are not to bad after all with Windows 8 and secure boot. Pretty easy really. I'll make a FAQs document describing how to do it.
Here's the new FAQs page for dual booting with Windows 8:
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For BluRay support you'll need this pet that contains the keys:
user name: firstname.lastname@example.com
password: fatdog
It's in the test folder. It contains the latest KEYDB.cfg I can find and the latest vuk collection I can put together.
If you get an error then the BluRay is too new. The key file only supports up to MKB version 28.
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downloading now
edit: running with savefile from 611 (temp), working ok, more later.....
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Running FD620 beta1 now. Installed Firefox 18.01 using package manager.
Good News: video comes up configured the way I want, using the nouveau driver for nVidia integrated graphics at 1280x1024 and 85 Hz vertical refresh. This prevented me from immediately testing the "difficult graphics cards" options. The messages seen during boot up are readable without any special options. I still have a problem reading text messages on shutdown without a magnifying glass. I'll remember to keep one handy.
aside: this video is a relief. My solution to the problem with nVidia and FD 610-611 had been to install a cheap ATI card which gave nice graphics. This week I needed that card in a machine where a friend required HDMI output to a large-screen TV. I've been putting up with annoying flicker for several days. I hope this version is stable, because I'm sorely tempted to move my email right now.
One strange problem discovered while installing Firefox was due to my impatience with the download. With the browser now about as large as John Murga's old credit card puplet the download takes a while even on decent broadband. (Faster broadband wouldn't help when ibiblio limits bandwidth.) The Fatdog package manager tells me close to nothing about what is going on, or how long to wait. The ancient wget window is sorely missed.
My simple solution was to go to another desktop and look at the size of the downloaded file in /tmp/fatdog64-packages. This showed me that something useful was really happening while I sat there. The surprise came when I switched back to the desktop with the Fatdog package manager -- both windows were blank. Minimizing and restoring them made no difference. A bug, but not any show-stopper. (Incidentally, while working on that UI, it would be a good idea to tell people they need to double click to mark packages for installation. I found this by trial and error.)
We also have improvement on hardware info. I now see that my temp1 is either 44 C (k8temp) or 6968 C (nouveau). I believe the first one, but I'll keep sunblock handy, just in case.
The checked box to move the Downloads folder to the hard disk is normally a good idea. I have to be careful because I'm running multiple versions of Fatdog and Puppy. Presently, I uncheck that box on installation, then link the existing directory myself after rebooting. I don't want to take a chance of losing all my present downloads. Am I being too cautious? Will FD 620 preserve an existing Downloads directory?
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Posted: Thu 14 Feb 2013, 23:38
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(Faster broadband wouldn't help when ibiblio limits bandwidth.)
Ibiblio does have mirrors:
I don't think they keep that list very up to date though. Some have good luck with this one:
Will FD 620 preserve an existing Downloads directory?
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To add to what kirk said: these are mirrors that are actively updated:
he Fatdog package manager tells me close to nothing about what is going on, or how long to wait. The ancient wget window is sorely missed.
Yup, I feel your pain too. This will be improved in next release - it will show the % complete. And no more of UI freeze during download.
Incidentally, while working on that UI, it would be a good idea to tell people they need to double click to mark packages for installation. I found this by trial and error.
When you launch the FPM, this information is shown near the bottom of the screen.
We also have improvement on hardware info. I now see that my temp1 is either 44 C (k8temp) or 6968 C (nouveau). I believe the first one, but I'll keep sunblock handy, just in case.
Fatdog64 forum links:
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Posted: Fri 15 Feb 2013, 06:05
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Hello Kirk & jamesbond
Thanks for this new fatdog.
I have just loaded fd 620 b1. Having done the basic setup and created the savefile I noticed that the power consumption was much too high.
autochown is taking 50% cpu load continuously. How should I stop it?
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jamesbond wrote:
...When you launch the FPM, this information is shown near the bottom of the screen...
I knew I got the idea from somewhere, but when I went looking for help that message had vanished because I had clicked on a line in the window, which brought up a package description that replaced it. I tried left and right click, and could have sworn I tried the spacebar. (Enter seemed too likely to do things with consequences I would find hard to undo.) It would be handy to have the message appear when I try something like a right click.
The user interface principle here is that you need to provide information at the point where it is to be used. Having it vanish at the moment a user selects a package works against this. Most new users are overwhelmed with information they can't use most of the time. People don't remember information they do not act upon. If you doubt me, consider the difference between riding somewhere as a passive passenger versus driving there yourself. In the first case I regularly get lost if I try to return alone.
People my age are constantly aware of having volatile memory. As a gentleman of my acquaintance said when a lady his age asked him if he ever thought about the hereafter: "All the time! Not a day goes by that I don't find myself in a room asking 'what am I here after?' "
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autochown is taking 50% cpu load continuously. How should I stop it?
You can stop it by going to Control Panel and click on the System tab. Then click on 'Manage Servers and Services'. Select 'autochownd' and 'Stop' to stop it now and 'Disable' to have it not start on the next boot.
But, I would really like your help in finding out why this is happening. Does it eat 50% of cpu all of the time or when something else was happening? It usually showed 0% during my testing. Please open a terminal and do this:
find $(realpath /root/spot/Downloads)/. -type f | wc -l
That will tell us how many files are in Downloads. And then do this:
du -hs $(realpath /root/spot/Downloads)
That will tell us how much space is being used. Also, do you have something actively creating or deleting files in Downloads? Maybe a program installed there that is running or a database?
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Hello Kirk
Thanks for the reply.
I don't do anything complicated with linux. I had just copied vmlinuz and initrd to the directory fd62b and put my usual fd 6xx entry in menu.lst. I had done the first reboot after creating the savefile. As far as possible I accepted the defaults for the savefile. I just set sda5 as the partition and put fd62b/ in front of the default filename.
I assumed that the problem might be to do with ownership on the FAT32 partition where fd620 is.
There are no problems with fd600 or fd611
The answers to your commands were
8.0K /aufs/devsave/fd62b/Downloads
If I navigate to that directory, the one file is ReadMe.html
In Rox filer the titlebar says "scanning" about twice a second and the cpu load has about doubled according to the task bar graph.
I hope this makes sense!
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Posted: Fri 15 Feb 2013, 18:24
Post subject: System Locks after desktop start for Multimedia
- The video subsystem locks the PC when the browser icon is click to start
- Boot FD620beta1 with
Multimedia menu
Option. Attempt to start a browser scabbles the screen and locks the system.
This is a subsequent edit. It is a
to the prior report whete I due to a delay in the symptoms showing up, that ithe problem did not exist, where in fact, the problem exist in all menu items I have tested. Turns out that some are more immediate in locking the system than others.
happen when the
nVidia menu
and the
LVM menu
option is selected at boot Menu. It also happens with the very first boot menu option, as well.
This can happen on the very 1st time that the browser is opened or it can happen on subsequent browser opening, or, it can happen at anytime of browser use with opening a tab or opening another browser Window. This is being used on a system that has one of its RAM modules removed. but this system runs without issue with the 32bit PUPs that is has been tested with over past several weeks.
The system layout and report, is attached for development review.
Hardinfo System Report.tar.gz
Hardinfo report of the system which locks when the browser is started
Hardinfo System Report.tar.gz
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Posted: Fri 15 Feb 2013, 21:50
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Your Downloads folder is on a fat32 partition? Yes, that's the problem. We will need to disable autochown for any case where the Downloads folder is on a non-linux partition. I'm not sure how well the Downloads folder is going to work on a non-linux partition anyway. Have you tried turning on the samba server and sharing files from your Downloads folder in the past?
Thanks again, that's a good bug to squash.
Do you mean "Fatdog64 with multisession support" is giving you the video problems? And the normal boot (first boot option) is working?
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Posted: Fri 15 Feb 2013, 21:53
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Loving the save to directory choice.
OMG it's fast to load, under 10 seconds.
A couple of small things:
mhwaveedit and notecase icons are missing in the menu, they just need .png or .xpm added to the filename.
Xournal needs it's run action changed to xournal.
Very nice so far.
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