It's a refutation but at the end of the day, I think Lynn Alden synthesizes this pretty well, and both are true in various ways. But anyway, he talks about, there's hints of a bankless theme we talk about, which is you can have money that is fit for a tribe, which might work on debt. You know, David Graber type principles, right? Because everyone knows everyone. You have this, like, ledger of reputation inside the tribe, and there's, like, punishment, staking all of these things. But if you're going to create a more scalable money, you probably need a commodity type money. And if your society intersects with another society, right, then you need a hard money. Like, your commodity money has to be.