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CMV: Illegal immigration in the USA would be far less common if there were strict penalties for employing illegal immigrants. However, this won't happen because of intense lobbying

From my knowledge and perspective, most policies aimed at curbing illegal immigration are aimed at the illegal immigrants. You even frequently hear the comment: "they are breaking the law" or "they need to follow the laws of this country". However, illegal immigrants have very little motivation to follow immigration law. If they follow the immigration law, they are denied entry into the USA and gain no benefit. If they violate the law, they gain better pay and only risk being caught and possibly deported. There is little risk and a great deal of reward. You would be a fool to just "follow the US law"

Employers, on the other hand, actually have some reason to not employ illegal immigrants(see below). However, the benefit is only seen if everyone(or mostly everyone) is following the law. The current enforcement regime seems to strongly encourage businesses to cheat. Many small business owners I know employ illegal immigrants. Now, they don't knowingly hire illegal immigrants, but they are well aware that many of their employees are probably illegal immigrants. They know that the social security numbers they were given are probably fake, but as long as they run them through the government required website, they feel that they are clear of any consequences. However, these people will admit that they employ illegal immigrants.

*Example of strict law enforcement for suppliers: Alcohol sales*

Most states do not worry about underage buyers of alcohol. Rather, they focus on alcohol retailers and have strict fines and penalties for any supplier caught selling or providing alcohol to a minor. While minors still get access to alcohol, it is nearly impossible to find a minor drinking at a bar or buying liquor at a liquor store. In fact, many liquor stores/bars will deny sales to individuals who are not minors out of an abundance of caution.  
I am not saying that no minor ever buys alcohol with a fake ID, but I would say that there are far fewer minors buying alcohol than illegal immigrants working at large corporations. Why? Because bars/restaurants/stores suffer a severe penalty if they are caught violating the law.

Please change my view.  


**Most laws benefit everyone in society(my argument explained)**

Most laws actually benefit everyone. The law against theft actually benefits everyone eventually. If theft was legal, no one would benefit. A thief might temporarily gain some money by stealing your car, but then he would immediately lose it when the car was stolen from him along with his other property.

If hiring illegal immigrants was totally illegal, the companies would actually be fine. They might need to raise their prices, but they would also know that all of their competitors would also need to raise their prices as well.
gpt
To go somewhat orthogonal to your suggestion, wouldn't it be more reasonable to simply allow those people to immigrate legally? Your view posits that there is are industries that are built on exploitation of underpaid labor, and additional industries built on providing false social security numbers. It seems like allowing people to *legally* immigrate to the United States for the purpose of performing those jobs would serve to limit the exploitation, especially since as legal residents they would be better able to report any further exploitation by their employers.

Now, you could combine that with more penalties for exploitative labor practices or hiring under the table, but that doesn't solve the issue that those industries (apparently) cannot find enough labor without turning to immigrants.