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CMV: Anyone who identifies with the Joker or Harley Quinn in any of their incarnations is admitting (consciously or otherwise) that they're an asshole.

The Joker is a bad person.  He has never not been a bad person.  Everyone who wrote him wrote him as a bad person.  Everyone who played him played him as a bad person.  He has always been a personification of obscene, perverted, absurd, but recognizable evil.  In his most sympathetic incarnation (Joaquin Phoenix), his portrayal only makes society culpable in his evil without ever excusing his - he's still a bad man doing bad things for bad reasons, but we have some unwarranted sympathy because he's pathetic and because we might've stopped him.

Harley Quinn is also a bad person.  She is, minor details aside, a female sexed-up Robin for Joker who is as evil as Robin is good.  There's no redeeming value in her character beyond some occasional humor and sex appeal; apart from that, she's as much an irredeemable villain as the Joker.

Their relationship is one of abuse and mutual reinforcement of evil behavior.  It is not a love story between two nonconformists rebelling against the world, it's two abusive psychopaths killing for fun.

My view is that if you look at these characters or their relationship, see some aspect of yourself and feel anything but a horrified chill up your spine, you must be an asshole.

You're a Joker looking for his Harley Quinn?  Asshole.

You're a Harley Quinn looking for her Joker?  Asshole.

You and your SO are soooo like the Joker & Harley?  You're both assholes.

You're on social media talking about how you really *get* the Joker and/or how you're alike?  You're King Asshole.

Change My View.
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Does this include the versions of Harley that have left the Joker and are trying to recover from domestic abuse? Because a lot of the more current comics have been about her trying to rebuild her life after getting away from the Joker.