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CMV: Transgendered people still should be considered as having a psychological disorder.

**[Edit: I need to make a revision here (made Jan 21 @ 10:35pmEST). I'd like to change the term "psychological disorder" into the term I truly meant now that I've been taught the true definition of a disorder in physhological terms: mental illness. Mental illness is defined as:** *"...a wide range of mental health conditions — disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior. Examples of mental illness include depression, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, eating disorders and addictive behaviors."* **That sounds a lot more fitting, and will cease the nitpicking of my exact choice of terminology. The rest of what I said still stands.]**

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Anyone here remember when it was called gender dysphoria? I do.

I treat a man telling me he truly feels he's a woman and a man telling me he truly feels like he's a moth as equally crazy claims. A growing number of transgender~~ed~~ people routinely claim things that fly in the face of science and our understanding of biology, seemingly pathologically, to normalize their most definitely not normal behaviour (e.g. Saying that male and female doesn't exist, watch The Agenda with Jordan Peterson and you'll see a "transgender~~ed~~ studies" "professor" explain this). That's not to say homosexuality is not normal behaviour in the same way, because it's not scientifically impossible for a dude to go suck off another dude. He still thinks he's a dude. 

[Edit: RIP my karma..]

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**3 hours in, my conclusion as per what's been discussed so far:**

Most people trying to change my view have agreed that gender dysphoria is indeed a mental disorder, which is the only point I'm making. I have been informed of one thing I didn't know (which I gave delta for), which is that the brain of a transgender person starts to take on more qualities or the gender they believe they are. That, to me, gives transgender people more credibility, but I was never saying they lack any credibility just for being transgender or conducting themselves as the gender they believe they are. My problem still lies with the ignorance to the fact that they are experiencing gender dysphoria, and that gender dysphoria is considered a mental disorder, and even worse, that it will soon be a hate crime fo me to say so.

I want to make this clear: I am not against sexual reassignment surgery. I am not against hormone therapy. People can do what they want to their bodies. I am against it being forced upon the populace to forget that biological sex exists, and I am against the fact that it should be a hate crime for me to refer to someone by their biological sex. I've even been accused of spreading hate speech in the comments section for saying the very true fact that a transgender male is a woman biologically.

I am leaving for work, and will return around 11pm Eastern to reply to the imminent plethora of messages in my inbox that I'll inevitably come back to.

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[Jan 22 2:52am EST] Okay, 14 hours worth of discussion on this topic is long enough for me. Here's my conclusion.

**Things I've changed my stance on:**

* Transgender people that are at terms with being transgender do not / no longer have a mental disorder.
* There is evidence to suggest that someone is born with the predisposition to be transgender / are trans from birth. It is not definitive, but is something I did not take into consideration, and is a very good point.

**Things I haven't:**

* Transgender people who claim and pathologically believe that biological sex is a myth have a mental disorder, even by the DSM's definition, as they are pathologically lying to themselves to cope with their situation.
* Other people that identify as non-binary genders (trans male and trans female not included) have a mental disorder. Otherkin and gender fluid fall into this category. If you are trying to tell me that you believe you are truly an earthworm, even when you are looking at your own human form in the mirror, you have a mental illness. If you believe that you are sometimes both and sometimes neither male nor female, you have a mental illness. You are lying to yourself to cope with how you feel inside, instead of coming to terms with it; the very definition of a mental disorder.

I'm obviously going to come back to this here and there for any new comments, I'm still getting them in my inbox, but I can't guarantee I'll answer. I've been on this topic all day, it gets tiring.

Thank you all for this adult, respectable, informed and healthy discussion and debate. It's getting hard to find that these days.
gpt
>Anyone here remember when it was called gender dysphoria?

You have a very wrongheaded idea of what gender dysphoria is. The American Psychiatric Association has stated  "gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition." Essentially, severe distress caused by being identified as the wrong gender is the mental illness, not gender nonconformity itself. Do you know how gender dysphoria is successfully treated? It is treated through aiding one's gender transition through methods such as psychotherapy, hormone replacement therapy, and sexual reassignment surgery. **Identifying as transgender is literally the cure for gender dysphoria.** To claim that a trans identity is in itself a mental illness is psuedoscience.