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Cmv: I am pro choice, but I can’t help but feel there’s some pro life arguments pro choicers don’t directly address.

First off I will say that I am pro choice. Why would I want my rights taken away from me? 

That said, I feel like some of the points pro lifers make are either ignored or tangentially addressed by pro choicers so I wanted to know what you guys think. 

Pro lifers love to call abortions “baby killing.” I don’t agree, but I honestly think people who call fetuses “clumps of cells” are missing the point. 

What the fetus is missing out on is their future life and personhood. I don’t think most prolifers consider a fetus nearly as developed as a born baby, rather they place the emphasis on the chance at life the fetus was robbed of. 

For example if a baby dies in a car crash, people say things like “they had very loving parents and a bright future ahead of them.” Why doesn’t that apply to fetuses? Just because they’re temporarily biologically dependant on their mother? 

I don’t think it’s fair to call them clumps of flesh or even compare them to tumours(a common argument I see all over Reddit). I mean, a tumour isn’t going to grow into a fucking person with emotions and self awareness. Yet redditors will go ballistic when humans are compared to objects in those dumb boomer memes. (To be fair they are dumb) 

Second point I feel isn’t really addressed is the “abortion is mostly used as birth control” argument. Rape victims definitely deserve the right to abortions if they want one, but I haven’t really seen pro choicers address the fact that MOST people use abortions as a form of birth control. If it’s used as birth control and if you consider a fetus a person, I feel the morality of aborting normal, non rape babies becomes mildly questionable. If you consider a fetus enough of a human being due to religion or whatever reason, you would essentially be weighing the importance of a life against a costly mistake. 

Third point is the “men have no say in women’s bodies” point. That makes sense if you consider a fetus a part of their mother’s body, but not if you consider a fetus a human. If you consider a fetus a human, the debate is no longer about women’s bodies, it’s human lives, and that concerns the entire human race. 

I feel like most pro choice arguments are only completely sound if you consider a fetus a 100% non living thing with 0 rights or desire to live. I haven't figured out how much of a person I consider fetuses yet, so I can't say much about that. 

Anyways I know this is a touchy subject so I tried to word it in the best way possible. I really hope I didn't sound completely ridiculous or upset anyone.


Edit: just woke up, this is gonna take a while to read. I want to clarify that my birth control point was that most people who get abortions are using it as birth control, not to prevent their body from collapsing. I obviously don’t think that people willingly have unprotected sex because “abortion is legal anyways.”
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Umm… even if yo consider a fetus a human with personhood, it is *still* not entitled to a woman’s body. No person is entitled to another person’s body, why do you want to give a fetus *extra* rights?

And yeah, when most abortions happen, it *is* just a clump of cells the size of a pea, that looks like a tadpole and is indistinguishable from any other mammal at that point in development.

Pro-fetus crowd loves to use the 9-month partial birth abortion straw man to appeal to people’s emotions, of imagery of fully-formed babies being chopped up.

When in reality, later term abortions only occurred when the fetus is already severely deformed to the point that it won’t survive beyond childbirth, and continuing to carry the fetus presents serious risk of harm to the mother.