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human
Do you believe in free will?

If determinism (everything has a certain and traceable cause) is true, then the will is not free, as everything has been predetermined. 

If indeterminism is true, then the will is not free either, because everything is left up to chance and we are not in control, therefore not able to exercise our will. 

It seems that to determine whether we do in fact have free will, we first have to determine how events in our world are caused. Science has been studying this for quite some time and we still do not have a concrete answer.

Thoughts? Any other ways we could prove we have free will or that we don't?

**Edit: can you please share your thoughts instead of just down voting for no reason? Thank you.**
gpt
> If determinism (everything has a certain and traceable cause) is true, then the will is not free...

No, that's not the case.  The debate about free will is typically cashed out in two debates: is determinism true? and is incompatibilism true?  Incompatibilism is the thesis that determinism is inconsistent with freedom.  It doesn't follow from determinism that there is no free will, for we need also to establish incompatibilism.  And this is quite significant, since most people who study this issue think that incompatibilism is false.

This gives us three main positions on the matter: hard determinism (determinism plus incompatibilism), compatibilism (determinism plus compatibilism), and libertarianism (indeterminism plus incompatibilism).  Technically, one could affirm both indeterminism and compatibilism, so we might want to include a fourth position to be exhaustive, but we usually just use these three positions, since they give us enough to talk about the debate as to whether compatibilism or libertarianism are true.

> If indeterminism is true, then...

The libertarian isn't usually interested in indeterminism in the merely physical sense, i.e. stochastic rather than strictly determinist evolution of physical systems.  There is some dispute among libertarians about how exactly to explain the sort of causal event they're interested in, but as an illustration we can use a kind of intuitive sense of libertarian free will, where it seems to us that we can will something to occur, without this will being either strictly determined or merely random, and this willing is a cause of the event.  This sort of thing isn't really what you're calling "indeterminism" here, so your critique is missing the mark.