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CMV: “Arguing/debating doesn’t work,” isn’t a sufficiently supported claim.

I hear this said quite a bit, but the information in totality does not bear this out. People point out things like the backfire effect, ignoring that these studies involved percentages, which means that giving facts did work on some people. They also ignore that the backfire effect has been studied numerous times with different results.

Another thing I find interesting is when I speak to people who think like this, I often come to find out that they (like me) used to believe very different things that what they do currently, and through some sort of discussion with a person that took a different position than them, they started to think differently. 

Hell, I think this subreddit is a whole testimony to the fact that debating and argument work and people do change their minds quite a lot. You just can’t expect that it’s always going to work in the way and time that you want. 

Finally, a strange part of this is that people who say arguments/debates and/or conversations with the people whom you disagree are pointless or don’t work, these people are never simply sharing facts. It usually comes with a heavy tone of agitation, aggravation, and an air of superiority. 

Given all of the information and attitudes, I think it’s a likelier explanation that when someone says arguing and debate don’t work, what they are really saying is “arguing with people who disagree with me on certain topics frustrates me,” but notice this is much different. This isn’t so much about the effectiveness of debate and arguing as much as it could be about you just not being a very good debater or you not being able to control your emotions when people disagree with you. So if this is the deal, then just say “I don’t like arguing or debating.” It’s incorrect to project that onto the whole of communicating with people with whom we disagree. 

Leave those of us who see purpose and value in debating alone. Certainly don’t say things that may lead to an argument and debate about how ineffective argument and debate are. If you struggle with debates and arguments, consider studying how to effectively engage in them or do some work on your emotional control. Don’t pigeonhole society based on an unsupported claim because of your emotions. Not all of us have those issues, and we like to see society change as individuals interact to try to mutually come to understand what is true on very important matters. 

Basically consider, if you haven’t already, that this is more a you issue than an issue with debate and argumentation or those who engage in them. 

This in CMV instead of off my chest because, well, I have a certain view of people like this, and I want to see if anyone can change it.
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Your entire position appears to assume that both parties involved in an "argument/debate" argue and/or debate in good faith. This is oftentimes not the case, as even evidenced in this sub by the sheer amount of posts that are removed for violating rules b and e. Normally, when people say "arguing/debating doesn't work", what they mean is that arguing and/or debating with a party who does *not* hold a rational view and refuses to engage in a *rational* discussion does not work.