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CMV: SJW's did not ruin Star Wars (nor much of any media). It's just bad writing.

**Edit**: Head is spinning with this topic and I feel I got some good view changes, so I'm going to stop responding.  Sorry if I couldn't make it to your message.

Disclaimer: Anyone who enjoyed the sequel Star Wars is allowed to.  I'll even throw you a bone and say there were some good moments and cool ideas in them.

For those who did not like the sequels, I often hear them blame its failure on SJW's intervening and making it bad.  Namely, the SJW quest for diverse representation.  That quest I also see pegged as a detriment to many modern medias.

My view is that any failure of modern media is just down to bad story-telling/writing.  The fact that SJW's championed some causes in the media is just a coincidence, not a cause for the failure.

I'll use the Star Wars Sequel's as my case study since I just finished watching them and its fresh in my mind (Spoilers ahead).  The main protagonist is female and one of the main cast sports black skin, which is what I assume are the SJW's influence that people are blaming.  I don't see how Rey being a women or Finn being black makes them bad?  The only bad things I saw in the sequels were power-creeping everything (which is somewhat to be expected the more sequels a story gets) and the destruction of Luke's character (probably a result of new directors/writers).  Everything else bad is common downsides to all the star-wars movies that fans were able to ignore in the past (Storm Troopers being a joke, the good guys making morally questionable choices, ect...)

We also know having a female lead does not automatically make a story worse; think of the darling classics Wizard of Oz and Mary Poppins.  We've also seen legendary support characters that are black; Samuel Jackson in the prequel Star Wars and Morpheus from the Matrix.  Having a diverse cast does not make a story automatically worse.

In general, I think striving for more diverse representation in popular media is a good thing.  It allows for wider audiences to identify with the characters.  The one exception I can think of is the new Netflix He-Man, and that is only because He-Man was originally a celebration of Males and Masculinity.  This doesn't apply for most media, especially Star Wars which was about much bigger themes than having a male protagonist.

**Expected Counter-Arguments**

*If the SJW's didn't spend so much time focusing on diversity they could have focused more on good characters/storytelling.*: As a fledgling writer myself, I can say that the decision for the basics of a character (sex, skin color) takes vastly less time than it does to develop a character.  If an author wants to spend an extra day, or even a week, on those decisions it won't really impact the months that go into developing the rest of the character(personality, backstory, ect...).

*They made Rey a Mary Sue to show Female Strong*:  I think this is just a side-effect of the powercreep issue.  They made the antagonists stronger, so the good guys needed some more power to overcome them.  The weren't many Jedi left to support Rey, so they really needed to put all the good guy points into her.  Also, she was shown doing a good amount of training, so it wasn't like it was all inherent.

*Why can't SJW's just write their own new stories, instead of commandeering old franchises*: Because this will likely not complete the quest.  For a diverse cast to be effective, it needs to be in popular media.  Starting a brand new franchise runs the high risk of not pulling in many new eyes.

**What would change my view**

Show me bad media as a direct result of SJW's quest for diverse representation (or other SJW meddling).  Bonus points if you can show that it outweighs the upside that comes with diverse representation.

*Edit/Deltas*:

* An agenda pushed too hard in a story can come off as preachy, which can be a turn-off for people who just want to enjoy a good story.

* Rey was made a little too invincible.  She never got her "arm cut off" loss like Luke did.

* The diversity of the anatagonists in Star Wars might be undermining it's original message of diversity = good guys.

* Diversity can clash with natural story-telling in instances where we wouldn't expect diversity, like with historical gangs.
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Bad media example, please look up Marvel's "The New Warriors". That is not merely bad writing, that was the result of building something from the ground up as SJW nonsense. Morbidly obese superheroes, a pair of nonbinary genderbended black twins unironcially named "Snowflake & SafeSpace". You can't say that wasn't commandeering an old franchise and SJWashing it into a hilarious failure.