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CMV: Child Support is unwarranted in some cases

Okay first things first, I want to talk about a utopian world and discuss what we want ideally and not complicate this discussion with complicated present world problems like social stigma attached with abortion. 

Also, I am completely pro-choice. Women should get veto on whether to keep the child or not. 

So the case I want to discuss in particular is when the couple has protected sex and it accidentally results in a pregnancy. The man doesn't want/can't have the child, but the women does wanna take the child to term. The couple gets to know about the pregnancy very early in the process and the abortion is not complicated at all (let's take the easiest form of abortion available to us today - a pill). 

Now the couple discusses that the man doesn't want the child and wishes to get an abortion but the woman wants the child and wishes to take it to term. Now as per my opinion on abortion, the woman should have complete right on whether to keep the child or not. But at this stage, if she does decide to keep the child, I think the man should get a choice to be involved in any way at all or not (financially or otherwise). 

I say this because of the following:

1) If it was the opposite case, that the man wanted the child and the woman didn't, since I am pro-choice, the man has no place to repeal. It sucks but that's it. Men just have to suck it up. So in the other situation, men should get some choice because they are sucking it up here. 

2) For the case under consideration, first remember that the pregnancy is the result of consensual sex so both parents are equally responsible for the child. Now if the woman wants it and the man doesn't, it should still be the woman's choice to bring the child into the world. But provided the pregnancy was discovered at a stage at which it is not complicated to abort, the man should have a say in whether he wants to be involved or not. Now the woman has to decide between aborting (which I am assuming is not a huge deal for this case in particular), and raising a child without a father or financial support. It's a choice and if the woman chooses the latter, they have to suck it up. Like men did in (1).


Now this assumes that a lot around the abortion. Limited research of mine in asking a couple of my female friends, I learnt that these meds are supposed to cause miscarriage and the woman bleeds for a few weeks in the best cases and there are very minor chances of serious side effects like infertility and cancer. I am arguing that the difficulty of the best case is definitely not even comparable to how much financial stress child support is, and the worst case side effects chances are less than the chances of financial ruins for the average man. 


While writing this I did come up with a possible argument and my rebuttal for that. If the woman chooses to bring the child into the world, the kid has to grow up without a father and that sucks. But it was the mothers decision to let that happen. Again remember, we are asking the woman to suck it up in this case because she did have a real choice for abortion while in case (1) the father didn't even get a choice and he had to suck it up. So it still is more favourable for the woman.
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This gets posted here very frequently.

The child didn't get a say in whether or not to be born and it is the result of two people's actions. These actions led to the child and so if the child is born it should have support from the two people that caused it.

"Again remember, we are asking the woman to suck it up in this case because she did have a real choice for abortion while in case (1) the father didn't even get a choice and he had to suck it up. So it still is more favourable for the woman."

Some women have the opinion that abortion is morally wrong, therefore, if they get pregnant abortion isn't a viable option. 

I think consenting adults understand the risks associated with sex, even through protection. Due to them accepting the risks associated with sex, they should both have a responsibility to provide for the child in the event it is born.