[not very comprehensive list deleted]

There is a very comprehensive list in sci.math.symbolic,
which detailed descriptions of many packages.
(Especially you, Mark, should update your list :-) )
Here it is:

			Available    Systems

This is the  list of  currently  developed  and   distributed  software  for
symbolic math applications. No informations is supplied on systems no longer
being supported like: SAINT, FORMAC, ALPAK, ALTRAN, MATHLAB, SIN, SAC, CAMAL,
ScratchPad, MuMath, SHEEP, TRIGMAN, ANALITIK, SMP or CCALC.

For more detailed info on any of the systems below,  look into the directory
pub/Symbolic_Math in the anonymous FTP of "math.berkeley.edu". No particular
recommendation is made for any of these.      If you want prices contact the
company. Programs are listed by (aprox.) the reverse order of the number  of
machines they run on, in each class, general purpose systems first.

If you have any information to add to this list (we know we are missing
MuPAD & FELIX) please send it to :

			ca@math.berkeley.edu
Paulo Ney de Souza
Department of Mathematics
University of California
Berkeley CA 94720 				desouza@math.berkeley.edu

GENERAL PURPOSE
===============

Maple::
	Type:      commercial
	Machines:  Most impressive list of machines I seen for a program:
                   workstations (DEC, HP, IBM, MIPS, Sun, SGI, Apollo),
                   386 PC's, Mac, Amiga, Atari, AT&T 3B2, Gould, Convex,
                   NCR, Pyramid, Sequent, Unisys and Cray's.
	Contact:   maple@daisy.waterloo.edu
		   Waterloo Maple Software, 160 Columbia Street West,
        	   Waterloo, Ontario, Canada     N2L 3L3
        	   Phone: (519) 747-2373
	Version:   5 Release 1
	Comments:  General purpose , source available for most routines ,
		   graphics support in 5.0. A demo of the program for PC-DOS
		   can be obtained from anonymous FTP at
		   wuarchive.wustl.edu:/edu/math/msdos/modern.algebra/maplev.zip

Mathematica::
	Type: 	   commercial
	Machines:  Cray YMP down to Mac's and PC's
	Contact:   info@wri.com, Phone: 1-800-441-MATH
		   Wolfram Research, Inc.
 	           100 Trade Center Drive, Champaign IL 61820-7237
	Version:   2.1
	Comments:  General purpose, Notebook interface on Next, Mac,
	           nice graphics.

Macsyma::
   	Type:      commercial
    	Machines:  Sun-3, Sun-4 (SPARC), VAX (UNIX and VMS), Apollo,
		   HP 9000, DEC RISC, PC386/DOS, Symbolics computers,
		   368/387 and 486 (no SX's) PC's.
    	Contact:   macsyma-service@macsyma.com, Phone: 800-MACSYMA
		   Macsyma Inc,  20 Academy St., Arlington MA 02174-6436
    	Version:   depends on machine: 417.100 is the latest (for Sun-4, HP,
		   and DEC RISC), 417.125 for PC's
   	Comments:  General purpose, many diverse capabilities, one of the
		   oldest around. Includes propietary improvements from
		   Symbolics and Macsyma Inc. Descendant of MIT's Macsyma.

DOE-Macsyma:
	Type:      distribution fee only
	Machines:  GigaMos, Symbolics, and TI Explorer Lisp machines.  The NIL
                   version runs on Vaxes using the VMS system.  The public
                   domain Franz Lisp version, runs on Unix machines, including
                   Suns and Vaxes using Unix.
	Contact:   ESTSC - Energy Science & Technology Software Center
		   P. O. Box 1020 Oak Ridge TN 37831-1020
		   Phone: (615) 576-2606
	Comments:  Help with DOE-Macsyma, general and help with issues such as
	           obtaining support, new versions, etc: lph@paradigm.com
                   Leon Harten from Paradigm Assoc. Paradigm Associates, Inc.
                   29 Putnam Avenue, Suite 6 Cambridge, MA 02139 (617) 492-6079.

Maxima::
	Type:	   Licence for a fee. Get licence from ESTC before download.
	Machines:  Unix workstations (Sun, MIPS, HP, PC's) and PC-DOS (beta).
        Contact:   wfs@rascal.utexas.edu (Bill Schelter)
	Version:   4.155
	Comments:  General purpose -  MIT Macsyma family. Common Lisp
                   implementation by William F. Schelter, based on Kyoto
		   Common Lisp. Modified version of DOE-Macsyma available
		   to ESTSC (DOE) sites. Get the licence from ESTSC (phone:
		   615-576-2606) and then dowload the software from
		   DOS: math.utexas.edu:pub/beta-max.zip   or
		   UNIX: rascal.ics.utexas.edu:pub/maxima-4-155.tar.Z
		   Currently their charge for 1 machine license is $165 to
		   universities. Site licenses are also available.

Aljabr::
	Type:      commercial
	Machines:  Mac's with 4Meg of RAM.
	Contact:   aljabr@fpr.com,  Phone: (508) 263-9692, Fort Pond Research.
                   15 Fort Pond Road, Acton MA  01720 US
	Version:   1.0
	Comments:  MIT Macsyma family descendant, uses Franz LISP.

Paramacs::
	Type:      commercial
	Machines:  VAX-VMS, Sun-3, Sun-4, (SGI and Mac's on the works)
	Contact:   lph@paradigm.com
	Version:   ???
	Comments:  ???

Vaxima::
	Type:	   distribution fee only
	Machines:  VAX-Unix
        Contact:   ESTSC (see DOE-Macsyma above)
	Version:   ???
	Comments:  General purpose -  MIT Macsyma family descendant.
		   Includes source and binaries with assembler for Macsyma
		   and Franz Lisp Opus 38

Reduce::
	Type:      commercial
	Machines:  All Unix workstations, a variety of mainframes,
 	           MS-DOS/386/4Mbyte and Atari ST.
	Contact:   reduce-netlib@rand.org
	Version:   3.34
	Comments:  General purpose

FORM::
	Type:      Public domain verison 1 , Version 2 commercial
	Machines:  Msdos, AtariSt , Mac, Sun3, Sun4/sparc, Apollo, NeXT,
 		   VAX/VMS, VAX/Ultrix , DECStation , and others
	Contact:   t68@nikhef.nl (Jos Vermaseren)
		   Binary versions of version 1 are available
 		   by anonymous ftp from nikhef.nikhef.nl (192.16.199.1)
	Version:   1 and 2.
	Comments:  General purpose , designed for BIG problems , batch-like
 		   interface

Axiom::
	Type:      commercial
	Machines:  IBM RS 6000's and other IBM plataforms
	Contact:   ryan@nag.com,  Phone: (708) 971-2337 FAX: (708) 971-2706
                   NAG - Numerical Algorithms Group, Inc
		   1400 Opus Place, Suite 200, Downers Grove, Il 60515-5702
	Version:   ???
	Comments:  General purpose.

SIMATH::
	Type:      anonymous ftp
	Machines:  Suns, Apollo DN and Siemens workstations.
	Contact:   simath@math.uni-sb.de
	Version:   3.5
	Comments:  General purpose

Derive::
	Type:      commercial
	Machines:  Runs on PC's and HP 95's.
	Contact:   808-734-5801
 		   Soft Warehouse Inc. 3615 Harding Ave, Suite 505
                   Honolulu, Hawaii 96816-3735
        Version:   2.01
	Comments:  Said to be very robust, gets problems that other larger
 		   programs fail on. Low cost.

Theorist::
	Type:      commercial
	Machines:  Mac's
        Contact:   prescien@well.sf.ca.us, phone:(415)543-2252 fax:(415)882-0530
		   Prescience Corp, 939 Howard St #333, San Francisco, CA 94103
	Version:   1.11
	Comments:  General purpose , Graphics , If you like the mac interface
 		   you'll love this , fixed precision ( 19 digits ), runs on
 		   smaller mac's than MMA.

MAS::
	Type:      Anonymous FTP
	Machines:  Atari ST (TDI and SPC Modula-2 compilers), IBM PC/AT
		   (M2SDS and Topspeed Modula-2 compilers) and Commodore
		   Amiga (M2AMIGA compiler).
	Contact:   H. Kredel. Computer Algebra Group
		   University of Passau, Germany
        Version:   0.60
	Comments:  MAS is an experimental computer algebra system combining
		   imperative programming facilities with algebraic
		   specification capabilities for design and study of algebraic
		   algorithms. MAS is available via anonymous ftp from:
    		   alice.fmi.uni-passau.de = 123.231.10.1

MockMma::
	Type:      anonymous FTP from peoplesparc.berkeley.edu
	Machines:  Anywhere running Common LISP.
	Contact:   fateman@cs.berkeley.edu
        Version:   ???????
	Comments:  It does Matematica (or I mispelled that!).

Weyl::
	Type:      anonymous FTP from ftp.cs.cornell.edu /pub/Weyl
	Contact:   rz@cs.cornell.edu
        Version:   4.240
	Comments:  Intended to be incorporated in larger, more specialized
		   systems.

FLAC::
	Type:      ???
	Machines:  IBM PC's (DOS)
	Contact:   Victor L. Kistlerov, Institute for Control Sciences,
		   Profsoyuznaya 65, Moscow, USSR
	Version:   ???
	Comments:  Functional language

GROUP THEORY
============

Cayley::
	Type:      Cost recovery
	Machines:  SUN 3, SUN 4, IBM AIX and VM machines, Apollo, DEC
	           VAX/VMS, Mac running A/UX 2.01 or higher and Convex.
	Contact:   cayley@maths.su.oz.au
		   Phone: (61) (02) 692 3338, Fax: (61) (02) 692 4534
		   Computational Algebra Group
                   University of Sydney
                   NSW 2006 Australia
	Version:   3.8.3
	Comments:  Designed for fast computation with algebraic and
 		   combinatorial structures such as groups, rings,
 		   fields, modules and graphs. Although it began as a
 		   group theory system it has recently evolved into a
 		   general (abstract) algebra system.

GAP::
	Type:      anonymous ftp (free, but not PD; basically GNU copyleft)
	Machines:  All Unix workstations, ATARI ST, IBM PC and MAC
        Contact:   gap@samson.math.rwth-aachen.de
	FTP site:  samson.math.rwth-aachen.de (137.226.152.6) & math.ucla.edu
	Version:   3.1 (3.2 to be released Dec 92)
	Comments:  group theory calculations.

ALGEBRA & NUMBER THEORY
=======================

PARI::
	Type:      anonymous ftp
	Machines:  Most workstations, Mac and NeXT
	Contact:   pari@mizar.greco-prog.fr
                   anonymous ftp to math.ucla.edu (128.97.64.16)
	           in the directory /pub/pari
	Version:   1.35
	Comments:  Number theoretical computations, source available, key
		   routines are in assembler, ascii and Xwindows graphics.
		   PC-DOS version available from anonymous FTP at
		   wuarchive.wustl.edu:/edu/math/msdos/modern.algebra/pari386

Macaulay::
	Type:      anonymous ftp
	Machines:  Complete source available, Binary Mac versions available
	Contact:   anonymous ftp to zariski.harvard.edu (128.103.1.107)
	Version:   ???
	Comments:  focused on Algebra type computations ( polynomial rings
 		   over finite fields ), things like that.

Kant::
	Type:      ???
	Machines:  ???
	Contact:   KANT Group
		   Prof. Dr. M. E. Pohst / Dr. Johannes Graf v. Schmettow
		   Mathematisches Institut, Heinrich-Heine-Universit\"at
		   Universit\"atsstr. 1, D-4000 D\"usseldorf 1
		   pohst@dd0rud81.bitnet or schmetto@dd0rud81.bitnet
        Version:   1 & 2
	Comments:  Kant (Computational  Algebraic  Number  Theory) is
		   subroutine  package for algorithms  from geometry of
		   numbers and  algebraic number theory. There are  two
		   versions of  Kant:  Kant  V1 is written  in Ansi-Fortran 77,
		   while Kant V2 is built on the Cayley Platform and written in
		   Ansi-C.

LiE::
	Type:      commercial
	Machines:  Unix workstations (SUN, DEC, SGI, IBM), NeXT, PC's,
                   Atari and Mac's.
	Contact:   lie@can.nl, Phone: +31 20 592-6050,  FAX: +31 20 592-4199
                   CAN Expertise Centre, Kruislaan 413,
                   1098 SJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands
	Version:   2
	Comments:  Lie group computations

UBASIC::
	Type:	   anonymous FTP (ubas830.zip)
	Machines:  Mac and IBM PC's
	Contact:   malm@argo.acs.oakland.edu, Phone: (313) 370-3425
	 	   Donald E. G. Malm, Department of Mathematical Sciences
                   Oakland University, Rochester, MI 48309-4401
	Version:   8.30
	Comments:  BASIC-like environment for number theory. In the collection
		   of programs written for it one can find:
		   MALM (Collection of UBASIC Number Theory Programs (malm.zip)
		   by Donald E. G. Malm (and copyrighted by him), including:
		   Baillie-Wagstaff Lucas pseudoprime test, Algorithm for
  		   Chinese remaindering, Elliptic curve method to factorize n,
		   Fermat's method of factoring, General periodic continued
		   fraction to quadratic routine, Evaluates Carmichael's
		   function & D. H. Lehmer's method of solving x^2 = q (mod p).
		   UBMPQS (Prime factorization program for numbers over 80
		   digits (ubmpqs32.zip)), that can be found in the WURST
		   Archives (wuarchive.wustl.edu).

Numbers::
	Type:      Free but not Public Domain, registration required.
	Machines:  PC-DOS
	Contact:   Ivo Dntsch                   Phone:    (++49) 541-969 2346
	           Rechenzentrum                 Fax:     (++49) 541-969 2470
          	   Universitt Osnabrck         Bitnet:   duentsch@dosuni1
          	   Postfach 4469
          	   W 4500 Osnabrck GERMANY
        Version:   202c
	Comments:  Numbers is a calculator for number theory. It performs
	   	   various routines in elementary number theory, some of
		   which are also usable in algebra or combinatorics.
	  	   Available in the anonymous FTP in ftp.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.de
		   in the directory /pub/msdos/math

CoCoA::
	Type:      ???
	Machines:  Mac's
	Contact:   cocoa@igecuniv.bitnet
	Version:   ???
	Comments:  Computations in commutative algebra

Galois::
	Type:      Commercial
	Machines:  IBM-PC DOS
	Contact:   CIFEG Inc., Kalkgruberweg 26, A-4040 Linz, Austria
        Version:   ???
	Comments:  Algebra and number theory microcomputer  written by
   		   R. Lidl, R. W. Matthews, and R. Wells from the U. Tasmania
		   in Turbo Pascal v3.0.

GANITH::
	Type:      Anonymous FTP
	Machines:  Any system with vanilla Common Lisp, X 11, and has at least
		   a rudimentary Lisp/C interface.
	Contact:   Chanderjit Bajaj & Andrew Royappa
                   Department of Computer Science, Purdue University
                   West Lafayette, IN 47907
		   (bajaj and royappa@cs.purdue.edu)
        Version:
	Comments:  GANITH is an algebraic geometry toolkit, for computing
		   and visualising solutions to systems of algebraic equations.
                   It is written in Common Lisp and C, and runs under version
  		   11 of the X window system.
  		   GANITH is available from the anonymous FTP at
		   cs.purdue.edu in the file /pub/avr/ganith-src.tar.Z

TENSOR ANALYSIS
===============

SchoonShip::
	Type:      ???
	Machines:  ???
	Contact:   mentioned in  Comp.Phys. Comm. 8, 1 (1974).
	Version:   ???
	Comments:  I have heard this program mentioned , supposely it's designed
 		   for large problems (i.e. thousands of terms in series
 		   expansions ). Developed at CERN for CDC7600 ?

STENSOR::
	Type:	   ????
	Machines:  VAX, SUN, Apollos, Orion, Atari & Amiga
	Contact:   lh@vand.physto.se,
		   Lars Hornfeldt, Physics Department, University of Stockholm
                   Vanadisv.9, S-113 46, Stockholm, Sweden
        Version:   ????
	Comments:  System for tensor calculus and noncommutative algebra

LISP CALCULATORS
================

JACAL::
	Type:      Gnu CopyLeft
	Machines:  Needs a Lisp (either Common or Scheme)
	Contact:   Available by anon ftp to altdorf.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.246]
	Version:   ???
	Comments:  An IBM PC version on floppy for $50 is available from
 		   Aubrey Jaffer, 84 Pleasant St. Wakefield MA 01880, USA.

GNU-calc::
	Type:      GNU copyleft
	Machines:  Where Emacs runs.
	Contact:   Free Software Foundation
        Version:   ???
	Comments:  It runs inside GNU Emacs and is written entirely in Emacs
		   Lisp. It does the usual things: arbitrary precision integer,
		   real, and complex arithmetic (all written in Lisp),
		   scientific functions, symbolic algebra and calculus,
		   matrices, graphics, etc. and can display expressions with
		   square root signs and integrals by drawing them on the
		   screen with ascii characters. It comes with well written
		   600 page online manual. You can FTP it from any GNU site.

DIFFERENTIAL EQUATIONS
======================

DELiA::
	Type:      Informal distribution
	Machines:  IBM PC's (DOS)
	Contact:   A. V. Bocharov, Program Systems Institute,
		   USSR Academy of Science, Pereslavl,
                   P.O. Box 11, 152140 USSR, Tlx: 412531 BOAT
	Version:   ????
	Comments:  Differetial equation computations

PC SHAREWARE
============

SymbMath::
	Type:      shareware, student and advanced versions.
	Machines:  IBM PC
	Contact:   chen@deakin.OZ.AU
	Version:   2.1.1
	Comments:  Runs on plain (640k) DOS machines. The shareware version
		   is available in the file sm211a.zip on the Wurst Archives.
		   More capable versions are available by mail-order from the
	           author.

CLA::
	Type:      anonymous FTP
	Machines:  PC-DOS
	Contact:   ????
        Version:   2.0
	Comments:  A linear or matrix algebra package which computes
		   rank, determinant, rwo-reduced echelon form, Jordan
		   canonical form, characteristic equation, eigenvalues,
	 	   etc. of a matrix. File cla20.zip on the Wurst Archives.

XPL::
	Type:      anonymous FTP
	Machines:  PC-DOS
	Contact:   David Meredith, Department of Mathematics
                   San Francisco State University
                   San Francisco, CA 94132
                   meredith@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
        Version:   4.0
	Comments:  Formerly called CCALC. Well-integrated graphics and some
		   (numerical) matrix manipulation routines. Intended for
		   calculus students. Prentice Hall sells this with a book
		   (ISBN 0-13-117441-X--or by calling 201-767-5937), but it
		   is also available (without the manual but with a
		   comprehensive help system) by anonymous FTP from
		   wuarchive.wustl.edu: /edu/math/msdos/calculus/cc4-9206.zip.

AMP::
	Type:      Commercial, evaluation copy available by anonymous FTP
	Machines:  PC-DOS
	Contact:   Mark Garber (71571,2006@compuserve.com) Ph: (404) 452-1129
     		   Cerebral Software, PO Box 80332, Chamblee, GA 30366
        Version:   3.0
	Comments:  The Algebraic Manipulation Program (AMP) is written in
		   Modula-2 and is a symbolic calculation tool. AMP functions
		   in an interpreter mode and program mode. It  has tensor
		   manipulation using index notation.  The evaluation copy is
		   available in the anonymous FTP at:
		   ftp.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.de:pub/msdos/math/amp30.zip

Mercury::
	Type:      Shareware
	Machines:  PC-DOS
	Contact:   ???
        Version:   2.06
	Comments:  Limited in symbolic capabilities, but is extremely adept
		   at numerically solving equations and produces publication
		   quality graphical output. This used to be Borland's Eureka!,
		   but when Borland abandoned it, its original author started
		   selling it as shareware under the name Mercury. Available
		   from anonymous FTP at
		   wuarchive.wustl.edu:/edu/math/msdos/calculus/mrcry206.zip

PFSA::
	Type:      Public Domain
	Machines:  PC-DOS
	Contact:   ???
        Version:   5.46
	Comments:  Available from the anonymous FTP at
		   wuarchive.wustl.edu:/edu/math/msdos/modern.algebra/vol546.zip

LIE::
	Type:      Public Domain
	Machines:  PC-DOS
	Contact:   HEAD@RIVETT.MST.CSIRO.AU (A. K. Head)
		   CSIRO Division of Materials Science and Technology
		   Melbourne Australia   or
		   Locked Bag 33, Clayton, Vic 3168, Australia
		   Phone: (03) 542 2861 Telex: AA 32945 Fax: (03) 544 1128
        Version:   3.3
	Comments:  LIE is a program written in the MuMath language (not a
		   package) for Lie analysis of differential equations.
		   Available from anonymous FTP at
		   wuarchive.wustl.edu: /edu/math/msdos/adv.diff.equations/lie33

Calculus::
	Type:      Shareware
	Machines:  PC-DOS with EGA
	Contact:   Byoung Keum, Dept. of Mathematics
		   University of IL.  Urbana, IL 61801.
        Version:   9.0
	Comments:  Program for Calculus and Differential Equations. It has
     		   symbolic diff. & integration (simple functions), graphs.
		   Very unstable program - no reason to use it, except for
		   price (suggested registration fee is $ 30.00).
		   Available from anonymous FTP at
		   wuarchive.wustl.edu: /edu/math/msdos/calculus/calc.arc


What did this have to do with SF?  And please don't answer
that a number of libertarians are SF fans or vice versa. I know a
number of SF fans who are also baseball fans but I don't plan on
posting the Red Sox schedule.


IMHO, encryption is (also) protected under the SECOND amendment of
the Constitution of the United States.

I am not surprised that this administration is doing this.
I could have told you so.

Privacy has ALWAYS been something that has the effect of restricting
out ability to prosecute criminals.  We are supposed to have the
presumption of innocence.

I have the right to pull the curtains over my windows and close my
door, and the police may not come in.  If I perform a crim in my home,
they will have to find out by means other than simply looking.

Encryption is to my data as the window curtains are to my home.
Simple enough?

And yet the people vote for these people because they come out a lie
to them about promising to fix things.

You mean they might have to go back to actually WORKING to do their job?
Oh heavens.

Perhaps the FIRST amendment.  Definitely the SECOND and FIFTH.

Unfortunately, the vast segments of the population are misinformed.
They just haven't appended -SR to the name of out country, yet.

I seriously doubt that the NSA thinks that privacy and surveillance are
compatible.  I doubt of any smart person in any other agency thinks
so, either.  The PROBLEM is that they simply hold PRIVACY to be of no
value at all.


      (Reasoning pertinent to believing Xians deleted for space)

      It strikes me, for no apparent reason, that this is reversible.
I.e., if I had proof that there existed a hell, in which I would be
eternally punished for not believing in life, would that make me a Xian?
(pardon my language) _Bloody_hell_no_!

      ...Of course, being merely a reversal of your thinking, this
doesn't add anything _new_ to the debate, but...

      A point very well taken, IMNSHO.


:An 'edu'er not towing the "party" line, thank you!
:
:Jim

You're welcome!  ;)  Actually, I'm probably something of an outcast, because
I've committed the ultimate college-student heresy:  I'm not a liberal.
(This is NOT liberal-bashing.)

Mike


    >In article <philC5LsD9.Ms3@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil
    >
    >>Libertarians want the State out of our lives.
    >>
    >>NAMBLA members want to fuck little boys.
    >>
    >>NOW do you get it?
    >>
    >I see! Libertarians want to have the right to fuck little
    >children of either sex, and want to make sure everyone else
    >has this right too. NAMBLA just wants to have the right to
    >fuck little boys.
    >
    >>Or are you just a secret member of NAMBLA?
    >>
    >You're the one who suddenly seems to be defending the right
    >to fuck children. How many little girls have you raped today,
    >Phil?
    >
    >If wanting to abolish the age of consent is not repectable,
    >it is not respectable for anyone.

Hmm, you still don't get it. Then again, I'm not posting from a  University
where the hue and cry was raised against "Jewish physics".

Tell me, committed any anti-semitic acts today? What kind of boots do you
wear?

And still -- Libertarians want the State out of their lives. Parents are very
capable of protecting their children against the predations of pedophiles,
which, BTW, you still haven't disassociated yourself from.

Are you, or are you not, a member of NAMBLA?

--
There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of
environmental disaster. Weird, eh?


You may want to inquire about taking Lupron as a medication. It's
supposed to be a new treatment, and it's described in Nov. 1992
issue of J. of Obst. and Gyn.


I am fairly sure that she could obtain citizenship by making an
application for it. It might require immigration to Germany, but
I am almost certain that once applied for citizenship is inevitable
in this case.

More interesting only for your propaganda purposes. I have said several
times now that I don't consider Iran particularly exemplary as a good
Islamic state. We might talk about the rights of people in "capitalist
secular" third world countries to give other examples of the lack of
rights in third world countries broadly. Say, for example, Central
American secular capitalist countries whose govt's the US supports
but who Amnesty International has pointed out are human rights vacua.


I will join the ranks here.  If someone has the ability to actually put this
thing together and get enough support, I'll also contribute $1000 to the
effort.  And jeeze, people, I'm a *student*, with *no job* yet, and I will
put up my own hard-earned savings if it means we have a shot at getting
the truth told on the airwaves.  Count me in.

Mike Ruff


Hi all,

I've been locked in a small closet chained to a lab bench for the last week or
two without access to really important information.  I saw the 3.5 million
shoulder back on the DL--How long is he out for (i.e. How many millions/inning
will he get this year?)  Nothing personal against Higuera mind you, just
wondering how Bud can keep coffing up money for him when he lets current
big producers go over a relative pittance. (Please realize the term
"relative pittance" can only be used with sarcasm when discussing baseball
salaries.)

Additional questions:  I did'nt get to see Bones pitch this spring--how is
he looking and where is he going to fit in the rotation?

How is Surhoff shaping up defensively at third?

Are they going to build a new stadium?  When?


YESSS!  You make me proud to
be an 'Merkun.  Good thing you
didn't get shot though. Don't
try that with a good'ole boy in Texas.
I once had a jeep driver south of Conroe cut me off (I was
in my car) after I had flipped him off for doing something really idiotic
and senseless.  All 280 lbs of him stretches out of his jeep; he walks
back (he is blocking all traffic between Dallas and Houston since the
freeway has been squeezed into a single lane) and says to me, "Stick that
finger out again and I'll rip it off your hand and shove it down your
sorry-ass throat."  I stared straight ahead, unblinking.  A hundred
cars were honking.  Eventually he got back into his jeep, face beet-red
with anger, and all the rest of the way back to Houston I tailed him,
waving, honking, flipping him off, yelling...  I'm glad he decided
not to shoot me.
/-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\
\-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/


Ah, double-fulfillment.  First of all I would say that I'm not sure all
the prophecies had double-fulfillment, e.g., the Isaiah 7:14 prophecy.

I would say that just because this happens on some occasions does not mean
it will occur always, especially with regard to NT prophecies. The apostles
who quoted the OT and applied those passages to Jesus were acting as divine
messengers and giving the inerrant Word of God to the Church.  No one has
that authority today.  No one has the apostolic authority to say that
such-and-such a prophecy has double-fulfillment.  If the imagry of
Revelation fits with events of the 1st century, it is folly for us to try
and make it apply to events 20 centuries later.


You need to add two 256K VRAM SIMMs;  512K VRAM SIMMs will not work in any
of the Quadra or Centris machines.  There is already 512K of VRAM soldered
to the logic board.  You add the two 256K SIMMs to this to give you a
total of 1 MB.


Hello,
    I've recently had Povray draw about 10 sample files. The problem is that
I accidently erased the command in my povray.def that made the image a targas
file. So now the files are the dump format. How do I fix these files with out
having to re-trace them? By fix I mean, turn them into targas. Thanks in
advance.
                                                -Jerry


Hi there,

I think it is time to create a MS DOS 6.0  FAQ since lots of questions
about it are actually flooding the net.  I won't be able to write it
my self because of the lack of time/knowledge/experience.


 > Hi there,
 > Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found
 > on most arcade style games.  Many projects I am working on would
 > be greatly augmented if I could implement them.  Thanx in advance.

HAP controls just outside Chicago sells these.  I don't remember which
suburb they are in.  The prices are pretty reasonable and they are
easy to hook up.  I bought a new coin mechanism from them for $25.00
a couple of years ago.


my understanding was that ted turner (owner of the braves) started running
his tv station nationwide, and started running all of his team's games on
his nationwide tv station, he dubbed his team ''america's team'' - that is,
the only team (at least, at the time) all of whose games could be seen
across america.

now, wor is nationwide out of beautiful secaucus, but not all mets games
are on wor.  wgn chicago and wsbk boston are two other superstations
(at least, they are on the east coast).  i don't know how many
cubs/sox/sox games they show.

--hymie                                                     hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'll be mellow when I'm dead.                           --''Weird'' Al Yankovic
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You get your mellow, laid back attitude from Sonny the Cuckoo Bird.
                                                               --Josh, about me


Portuguese launch complex??? Gosh.... Polish are for American in the
same way as Portuguese are for Brazilians (I am from Brazil). There is
a joke about the Portuguese Space Agency that wanted to send a
Portuguese  astronaut to the surface of the Sun (if there is such a thing).
How did they solve all problems of sending a man to the surface of the
Sun??? Simple... their astronauts travelled during the night...

 C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV

C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov


************************************************************
*                                                          *
*      ATTENTION ALL FOUR WHEEL OFF ROAD ENTHUSIASTS       *
*                                                          *
*         On/Off Road Rally - Sunday, April 25th           *
*                   Joliet Illinois                        *
*                                                          *
************************************************************

The Event:

* The Joliet Mud Turtles, a Chicago land four wheel drive club, is
  sponsoring an On/Off Road Rally Sunday April 25th.

* For those who ask "What is an on/off road rally?", well...

  An On/Off Road Rally consists of the following:

   1. An on-the-road rally where participants are given a set of
      directions and clues guiding participates around the
      Joliet/Plainfield area.  The object is to navigate a course
      based on a set of directions and clues.  Participants will
      be given a set of questions pertaining to the course which
      they must answer along the way.  Points are awarded for the
      number of correct answers given.  Directions will ultimately
      lead to an off-road area where a four-wheel drive course is
      set-up.  At various locations in the on-road course, check-points
      will be set-up where participants will be asked other questions
      or requested to perform some activity (e.g. tire roll, truck tow,
      basketball free-throw, etc.) for additional points.

   2. An optional off-road, four wheel drive course where participants
      will navigate off-road trails, mud bogs and/or hill climbs.
      Points are awarded for successfully navigating off-road obstacles
      without getting stuck.  If you should get stuck (which is half
      the fun anyway), there will be assistance to get your vehicle
      unstuck so you can try it again.  The off-road course will
      divided up based on tire size, so stock 4x4s as well as modified
      4x4s can run the course.

  At the end of the rally, trophies will be awarded to top scoring
  participants.  Door prizes and dash plaques will also be given out.
  Food and drinks also available at the conclusion.

* This is an organized activity sponsored by the Joliet Mud Turtles
  so safety and fun is our foremost concern.  All 4x4s must be
  street legal and have solid tow points for the off-road section
  of the course - we don't want to have to separate someone's bumper
  from their vehicle :) .

The Particulars:

* Rally begins at Instant Replay, 2409 Plainfield Road, Joliet Il.
    (815)436-9382   (see map below)
* Registration is between 9 and 10:30 a.m.  First truck out at 10:00 a.m.
* Rally date is Sunday April 25th, rain or shine
* There is an entry fee of $10 per truck.
* You must have a co-driver (passengers allowed)
* A valid drivers license is required
* Suggested equipment:
      CB Radio
      Compass
      Tow Strap and Clevis
      Clip Board and Pencil
* No alcohol during rally
* For more information contact
   Gary (815)727-3415
   Tom  (815)485-9346
   Norm Jr. (815)741-4853
   Brian (708)979-6083

                                            __
              Instant                      /\
      |       Replay |             |         \
      | 1.9mi  ___   | 1.2 mi      |        North
      |<----->|   | <------------> |
 Rt30 |       |___|  |             |
------|---------------------------------------------
 Exit |              |             |         ^
 257  |              |             |         |
      |              |             |         |
      |Rt55          |Canton       |Larkin   |
      |              |Farm         |Ave      |
      |              |Rd.          |         | 3 mi.
      |              |             |         |
      |              |             |         |
      |                            |         |
      |                            |         |
      |       Rt80                 |         v


#21	PETER AHOLA		Season: 2nd
Acquired:	'92-93, trade with Pittsburgh for future considerations
Grade:		I (B)

It is way too early to tell about Ahola, who was acquired probably because the
Penguins figured that they would lose him in the expansion draft.  Ahola had
only played 50 games this season (I think it's actually less; the San Jose
Mercury News may be in err here), 20 of them with the Sharks.  In the games he
has played, he appeared quite solid defensively, although he hasn't been
spectacular, and his offense isn't anything to write home about (8 points);
it's even possible that the trade may be for future considerations which turn
out to be ... Peter Ahola.

#24	DOUG WILSON		Season: 16th
Acquired:	'91-92, trade with Chicago for RW Kerry Toporowski and
		2nd round pick in '92 entry draft
Grade:		I (B)

I have often been accused of overly down on Wilson; I may have had too high
expectations for him, but his legs, knees, et al., are giving out.
Nevertheless, when he was playing, he exhibited a strong shooting and
playmaking abilities, even if he has lost a step on defense, which,
unfortunately, he demonstrated this year as well, as at times he was slow to
catch the opponent forwards, and his offensive output was only good enough for
2nd place on the team (20 points in 42 games).  But next year, which may be
Wilson's last, if he can stay healthy, he can still be a contributor.

#29	DEAN KOLSTAD		Season:	2nd
Acquired:	'91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft
Grade:		I (C-/D+)

It's probably somewhat unfair for me to judge Kolstad on just a handful of
games (forgetting exact number, but no more than 15), but at age 25 he's
quickly running out of time if he wants to make it to the NHL.  In those games,
he did not impress anyone; after generating 7 shots in the first period of
the first game he played, he scored just 2 points in his tenure up here with
the Sharks, and was even less impressive defensively, as he appeared awkward
with his movement and was prone to giveaways.  He needs to make a leap in
his level of performance to have any chance of making the team.

#38	PAT MACLEOD		Season: 2nd
Acquired:	'91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft
Grade:		I (?)

MacLeod was on the roster a lot longer than Kolstad, but it appears to my
memory that he played less than Kolstad, because the Sharks were reluctant to
use him, but were even more reluctant to send him to the minors, figuring that
he wouldn't clear waivers; in fact, he has played the past 4-5 weeks with
Kansas City, but is still technically there on a rehabilitation assignment,
a "rehab assignment" that will include him playing in the Turner Cup playoffs.
Since he has played so little, I can't even give a tentative grade on him, but
he demonstrated last year excellent offensive skills but terrible defensive
skills.

#41	TOM PEDERSON		Season: 1st
Acquired:	'91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft
Grade:		I (B+)

Called up in the middle of the season when the defensive corps was decimated
by injuries, Pederson impressed many Sharks fan here on net, including yours
truly.  He demonstrated very good offensive skills, scoring 20 points in
43 games.  However, his size (5' 9", 165 lbs.) is of concern, and soon after
he began to shine offensive did teams begin to push him around physically,
on both sides of the ice, although he had appeared fearless in his approach.
But to be successful, he probably needs to bulk up to have a fighting chance
on surviving against some of the bigger players in the league.

#45	CLAUDIO SCREMIN		Season: 1st
Acquired:	'91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft
Grade:		I (D+/D)

He played all of ~5 games in the league this year, but was thoroughly
umimpressive, just as he was at the end of last season; again, it may be a
small sample, but just as in the case of Kolstad, Scremin, at age 25, is
quickly running out of time.  He was not a contributor on either offense or
defense in the games he played with the Sharks.  The only notable thing that
will go down in Scremin's entry of league stats is probably the fact that he
was once traded for now Capitals goaltender Don Beaupre.


That figure (1/4") for image rotation would seem to be a little high...
on my NEC 5FG the specs call for no greater than 3mm (0.12").

I can't speak for MAG Innovision but as far as NEC is concerned, they are
adjusted to "factory-spec" before leaving the central USA distribution point
(MA) for the eastern Canadian market. Now, here's the key: NEC *knows* that
the >=15" monitors' adjustments are very sensitive to shipping over
distances (with all the bumps, rough handling, and such) and therefore
*expect* and (at least in theory) *require* that the local *distributor*
(not dealer) have it adjusted at the *local* service centre (Bull HN
Information Systems in Toronto) before sale. This is the correct and
probably only way of having any chance of receiving a "perfect" monitor
(the definition of "perfect" seems to depend on how picky one is, in my
case quite :).

I, for one, was not willing to accept what I considered a substandard
monitor and, after two months of wrangling and direct contact with NEC,
finally received a satisfactorily adjusted monitor (not perfect, IMHO,
but a major improvement over what the dealer and distributor were trying
convince me was "normal"). The short answer is no, don't accept these
"imperfections" as "normal" because for the premium one pays for the
larger screen monitors, one has a right to expect higher quality, and
if you're persistent, you'll receive it.


Digi-Key also sells Quad Line Receivers, parts DS1489AN (68cents) and DS1489N
(48cents).  A Quad Line Driver, part DS1488 (48cents), is also sold.  I guess
if you don't won't to supply +12V, the chips with the pump-up circuitry might
be worth the extra cost.  But 1488's and 1489's are available at your friendly
neighborhood RS, parts MC1488 (276-2520) for $1.29 and MC1489 (276-2521) for
$1.29.


Dragon's Lair II ($400 Complete)
-------------------------------------

  or

   $220 Laser Disc
   $150 Motherboard/Joystick/buttons
   $35  Graphics (For arcade cabinet)
   $50  Brick Power Supply +12/-12/+5

  Space Ace ($430 Complete)
--------------------------------------

  or

   $250 Laser Disc
   $150 Motherboard/Joystick/buttons
   $35  Graphics (For arcade cabinet)
   $50  Brick Power Supply +12/-12/+5

   Both Space Ace and Dragon's Lair II ($750)
-----------------------------------------------

   These games require a Sony 1450 Laserdisc player.  The
nice thing about this player is that you can also watch
normal Laserdisc movies on it as well.  I have one which I
will sell for $600 by itself, $550 with a purchase of one
complete system or $500 if you buy both systems.

    I currently run this into my entertainment center.  I have
it housed in a PC computer case with with its own fan, and
power supply.  I run the audio into my stereo system, and the
laserdisc runs directly into the T.V..  I have made a mount for
the joysticks and the buttons.  First person who buys both
games will get it all, otherwise you have to do it yourself.

    If you would prefer to have it all housed in a normal
arcade cabinet this can be done as well.  The graphics will
go nicely along the sides and front of the cabinet.

    Everything works perfectly.  The laserdisc player has an
RS-232 port which you can use to develop your own multimedia
type applications.  The Laserdiscs have been stored in a safe
place and have no scratches on them.

    If you are interested please email me.

    Thanks,

     Soren

--------------------------------------------------------------
Soren Burkhart
Purdue University        "Yes, well that is just the sort of
A.I. & Robotics		  blink-headed pig ignorance I have
zoron@en.ecn.purdue.edu   come to expect from you non-creative
			  garbage."


	Hate to be simple minded about this Tim, but I think its
really very simple.  He was a dirty Jew.  And the only good Jew, in
some peoples mind, is a dead Jew.  Thats what 40 years of propaganda
that fails to discriminate between Jew and Zionist will do.  Thats
what 20 years of statements like the ones I've appended will do to
someones mind.  They make people sick.  They drag down political
discourse to the point where killing your opponent is an honorable way
to resolve a dispute.

	What else can come of such demagogery?  Peace?

Adam

Arafat on political pluralism:

	``Any Palestinian leader who suggests ending the intifada
	exposes himself to the bullets of his own people and
	endangers his life.  The PLO will know how to deal with
	him.''
	--- Arafat, Kuwaiti News Agency, 1/2/89

Arafat on the massacre at Tienamin Square:

	``...  on behalf of the Arab Palestinian People, their
        leadership, and myself...  [I] take this opportunity to express
        extreme gratification that you were able to restore normal order
        after the recent incidents in People's China.''
	--- Arafat in telegram sent to the head of the Chinese Communist Party

Yassir Arafat, humanitarian:

       ``Open fire on the new Jewish immigrants ...  be they from the
       Soviet Union, Ethiopia, or anywhere else.  It would be a disgrace if
       we did not lift a finger while herds of immigrants settle our
       territory.  I want you to shoot...  It makes no difference if they
       live in Jaffa or Jericho.  I give you explicit orders to open fire.
       Do everything to stop the flow of immigration.''
	--- Yassir Arafat, Al Muharar (Lebanese weekly), April 10, 1990

Yassir Arafat on genocide:

	``When the Arabs set off their volcano, there will only be Arabs in
	this part of the world.  Our people will continue to fuel the torch
	of the revolution with rivers of blood until the whole of the
	occupied homeland is liberated...''
	--- Yasser Arafat, AP, 3/12/79

Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu


Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University
Keywords:

	Israel has a right to keep Jerusalem for many reasons.  They
include the fact that the majority of the citizens are Israeli, the
fact that Israel maintains religious freedom for all people, and the
historical connection of Judaism to Jerusalem.

	When Jerusalem was devided by a Jordanian invasion in 1948,
the cease fire agreement included the right of individuals to visit
religious shrines.  This cease fire agreement was violated by Jordan,
who did not allow Jews to visit holy sites under their control.  The
Jordanians also bulldozed every synagoge in the city.  They turned a
Jewish cemetary into a hotel, and used the gravestones in their
latrines.

	Israel has allowed individuals of all religions into
Jerusalem, protected holy sites, and demonstrated its fitness to
control the city.

	Also, I should point out that Islam is not centered in
Jerusalem, but has holy sites there.  The home of Islam is Mecca,
where all Muslims should make a pilgramage (the hajj).  Unlike Israeli
Jerusalem, Jews and Christians are not allowed in Saudi Mecca.

Adam

Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu


(NOTE: The followups are set to comp.os.os2.misc.  DMQS files describe
monitors and valid modes to be used by the XGA-2 under both Windows and
OS/2.)

THESE FILES ARE UNSUPPORTED!  IBM has nothing to do with these files or
this post.  It's personal this time (and every time I post -- see the
signature).

Due to demand and requests, here are some additional DMQS files I've
collected for the XGA-2.  These files function with the latest revision
of the drivers for the XGA-2.  Not all these files will work under Windows
with the drivers available to the general public at this time.  All files
will function under the most recent OS/2 2.1 beta and those I've tried have
worked under OS/2 2.0+SP.  Not all files have been fully tested.

THESE FILES ARE UNSUPPORTED!  They represent a personal collection, not
anything resembling an officially supported set.

As a standard disclaimer I would like to point out the following facts:
1) Some of these files may run your adapter out of spec.  Doing so can
   stress the ICs on the card and may result in incorrect operation or in
   shorter life (how short depends on how much out of spec [boom!] :-).
2) Some of these files may run your adapter in a region that is out of
   spec for your monitor, resulting in damage to your monitor.
3) You should be knowledgable about your monitor and adapter's ability
   to use the mode you select.  Using these files represents hacking
   in a very true sense, so practice safe computing and don't play
   around too much if you don't like the risks and aren't knowledgable
   about what you're doing.
4) If you feel uncomfortable with all the warnings, use the DMQS files
   you have or wait until IBM releases official, tested DMQS files.
   Although you should be aware of warning 2) even with the IBM files.

THESE FILES ARE UNSUPPORTED!  By using them you may invalidate your
warrenty.  Not all have been fully tested -- I don't have that many
monitors.

Installation: unpack in your DMQSPATH environment variable, usually
c:\xga$dmqs.  Then use the methods described in your XGA-2 installation
diskette to change your adapter or settings.

Packing: these files have been packed with the latest INFOZIP utility.
You will need PKZip 2.x if you don't have the INFOZIP utilities.

Submitting:  feel free to send me uuencoded versions of your favorite DMQS
files for your favorite monitors.  I'm always interested in collecting more.

Archive:  these files have been uploaded to ftp-os2.nmsu.edu in
pub/uploads/xga2dmqs.zip.


Of course you should be able to write a DD 720Kb disk without
making any holes.


	With relays alone, you will always get a transient when
you abruptly turn ON or OFF any channel.  If you don't want to hear
the transient, use some other device (a photoresistor-output optoisolator
is the usual sort of thing) to gently MUTE the signal, then switch,
THEN remove the power from the lamp in the optoisolator.

	It used to be standard practice to employ photoresistors
in switching audio, because the photoresistor time delay (a few
thousandths of a second) kept any noise in the digital side (which
drives the lamp) from contaminating the audio.  And, the devices
are cheaper than relays.


Anyone here know if NCD is doing educational pricing on these software
packages for those of us strapped for cash?

Thanks

=eugene=
s


Found it! Thanks. I got several offers for help. I appreciate it and
will be contacting those people via e-mail.

Thanks again...


I'm looking to find some people interested in getting some cd-rom's. Below
is a list with their prices. If you are interested in any of these, send me
some mail and I can guarantee this price. If you are not local their will be
a shipping cost, and cod cost if you prefer it to be shipped that way.
Marcus

Updated prices from last post.

American Business Phonebook             DOS             $20.00
Animals                                 DOS             $30.00
Animals                                 MPC             $18.00
Audoban Birds                           DOS             $20.00
Audoban Mammals                         DOS             $20.00
Barney Bear Goes to School              DOS             $30.00
Bible Library                           DOS             $45.00
Bibles and Religion                     DOS             $15.00
Book of Lists                           DOS             $30.00
Britannicas Family Choice               DOS             $23.00
Britamrica Select                       DOS             $24.33
Business & Economics                    DOS             $19.00
Business Backgrounds                    DOS             $20.00
Business Master                         DOS             $20.00
Carmen San Diego (Where is ...)         MPC             $22.00
CD PLay/Launch                          DOS             $25.00
CD ROM  Software Jukebox                DOS             $20.00
CIA Vorld Taur                          DOS             $35.00
Chess Master 3000 MPC                   DOS             $20.00
CLassic Collection                      DOS             $40.00
CLipert Goliath 	                DOS             $15.00
Colossal Cookbook                       DOS             $15.00
DeLorme's Atlas USA                     WIN             $25.00
Desert Storm                            MPC             $25.00
Deathstar Arcade Battles                DOS             $15.00
Dictionaries & Language                 DOS             $15.00
Education Master                        DOS             $20.00
ELectronic Home Library                 DOS             $35.00
Family Doctor                           DOS             $16.00
Family Encyclopedia by Comptons         DOS             $49.00
Family Encyclopedia by Comptons         MPC             $49.00
Game Master                             DOS             $15.00
Game Pack II                            DOS             $25.00
Golden Immortal                         DOS             $25.00
Great Cities of the World               DOS             $25.00
Greet Cities of the World               MPC             $30.00
Great Cities of the World II            DOS             $25.00
Great Cities of the World II            MPC             $30.00
Groliers Encyclopedia                   DOS             $40.00
Groliers Encyclopedia                   MPC             $40.00
Guiness Disc 1992                       DOS             $13.00
Ham Radio		                DOS             $15.00
Information USA	                        DOS	        $35.00
Islands Designs		       	        DOS	        $20.00
Jets & Props                            DOS	        $18.00
Jones ... Fast Lane		        DOS/MPS	        $17.00
KGB/CIA  World Fact Book	        DOS	        $25.00
Kings  Quest  5:	                DOS/MPC         $20.00
Library of the  Future	                DOS	        $90.00
Loom			                DOS	        $22.00
MPC  Wizard		                MPC	        $15.00
MacMillan  Kids  Dictionary	        MPC             $48.00
Magazine  Rack		                DOS	        $25.00
Majestic  Places		        DOS	        $20.00
Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing             MPC	        $35.00
Mixed Up Mother Goose    	        DOS/MPC	        $18.00
Money,Money,Money,                      DOS	        $20.00
Monkey Island	                        DOS             $22.00
Oak CD Stand		                DOS	        $15.00
Our Solar System		        DOS	        $15.00
Presidents		                DOS	        $85.00
Publish It v 3.0                        DOS	        $20.00
Reference  Library		        DOS	        $35.00
Secret  Weapons/Luftwaffe	        MPC	        $22.00
Shereware Games		                DOS	        $35.00
Shereware  Overload		        DOS	        $15.00
Sher Holmes/Consul Det	                MPC	        $35.00
Sleeping  Beauty		        DOS	        $20.00
Strd. CD Software Bundle - 4 Titles     N/A	        $90.00
Stellar  7			        DOS/MPC	        $17.00
Story  Time - Interactive               DOS	        $14.00
The CD  ROM  Collection	                DOS	        $15.00
Time Magazine Almanac Current           DOS	        $22.00
Time Table of Hist/Sci/Innovation	DOS		$25.00
Tons & Gigs				DOS		$49.00
Too Many Typefonts			DOS		$15.00
Total  Baseball				DOS		$30.00
US  Atlas/w Automap			DOS		$22.00
US  History				DOS		$28.00
US/World  Atlas		                DOS/MPC	        $18.00
US Wars:Civil War			DOS		$25.00
Wild Places				DOS		$20.00
Wing Com/Ultima VI			DOS/MPC	        $22.00
World View				DOS		$25.00

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E-Mail mkbaird@david.wheaton.edu -- mkbaird%david.bitnet@uunet.uu.net --
Voice  708-752-8847 - Internet 192.138.89.15 -- mkbaird%david@uunet.uu.net


I have a Colorado Memory Systems Jumbo 250 tape backup unit in my Gateway
486/33V Tower system. I have found the supplied backup capability to be
fairly unreliable. In approx 3 cases out of 10, I have had the backup fail
at one point or another, often hanging in the middle of writing the tape.
Seek errors, drive communication errors seem to be most common. I use the
DOS backup software from Colorado Memory Systems. Should I return the drive,
get some better backup software, reformat the tapes (am using CMS tapes)?
Any hints would be appreciated - this stuff is to time-consuming to do over
and over again until it cooperates...


Have you considered the Apple Laserwriter IIg. We use it for all our B&W
image printing.


Was going over some videos last night.....

Studying 1986 and 1992 videotapes of Jose Canseco proved to be very
interesting.  And enlightening.

Here's my analysis of Jose Canseco, circa Sep '92, and Jose Canseco,
circa June 1986.

1.  He's bulked up too much.  Period.  He needs to LOSE about 20 pounds,
    not gain more bulk.

2.  His bat speed has absolutely VANISHED.  Conservatively, I'd say he's
    lost 4%-7% of his bat speed, and that's a HUGE amount of speed.

3.  That open stance is KILLING him.   Note that he acts sort of like
    Brian Downing - way open to start, then closes up as ball is
    released.  Downing could do this without significant head movement -
    Canseco can't.  Also, note that Canseco doesn't always close his
    stance the same way - sometimes, his hips are open, sometimes,
    they're fully closed.  Without a good starting point, it's hard
    to make adjustments in your swing.

What would I do, if I were Jose?

Aside from salting away a large sum of a cash that I could never touch,
so that I'd never have to work again, I'd restructure my entire swing.

First, minimize movement before the swing.  Close and widen the stance,
and severely cut down the stride I take on my swing.  Hopefully, this
will cut down on the time I need to swing, and will allow me to move
the bathead more freely.

Second, drop 20 pounds.  Cut out the weight work.

Third, relax the wrists.  Will cost some power, but until I can find
my 1988 stroke, concentrate on keeping the back shoulder up, rolling
the wrists through the strike zone, and hit line drives.  His strength
 is more than enough so that some of those line drives will get out of
the park.

If Canseco's open stance and resulting bad habits are a result of his back
problems, he'll be out of baseball in three years.  If not, he could
still hit 600+ HR.


Two approaches that I've used: Tofranil, 50 mg qhs, Naproxen 250mg bid.
The Naproxen doesn't seem to be as bad as things like Tylenol in promoting
the analgesic abuse Headache.  DHE IV infusions for about 3 days (in
hospital).  Cold turkey is the only way I think.  Tapering doesn't
help. I wouldn't know how you can do this without your doctor.  I haven't
seen anyone successfully do it alone.  Doesn't mean it can't be done.
--
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Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."


Don't knock Vaughn for being a spring training .400 hitter
but a .250 regular season hitter.
Around 30 games played isn't an indication of how good any
hitter is, and the quality of pitching is way down.

Ryan Robbins
Penobscot Hall
University of Maine


He'd have to go a far ways to run things down as bad as Reagan and Bush
did.  We didn't have riots but Bush got dumped out on his spotty Behind.

We'll see in 4 years.

Pope Charles Slack in our time!

?s


: A very kind soul has mailed me this reply for the bugs in CView.
: Since he isn't in the position to post this himself, he asked me to post
: it for him, but to leave his name out. So here it comes:
:
: CView has quite a number of bugs.  The one you mention is perhaps the most
:
A stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I
am still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.)
Thanks!


My vote goes to Andy Moog 1st, Belfour 2nd, Vanbiesbrouck 3rd

The Bruin's are hot at just the right time !!!!!

rich beskosty


=Surprise surprise, different people react differently to different things. One
=slightly off the subject case in point. My brother got stung by a bee. I know
=he is allergic to bee stings, but that his reaction is severe localized
=swelling, not anaphylactic shock. I could not convince the doctors of that,
=however, because that's not written in their little rule book.

Of course, bee venom isn't a single chemical.  Could be your brother is
reacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock
in other people.

Similarly, Chinese food isn't just MSG.  There are a lot of other ingredients
in it.  Why, when someone eats something with lots of ingredients they don't
normally consume, one of which happens to be MSG, do they immediately conclude
that any negative reaction is to the MSG?

=I would not be surprised in the least to find out the SOME people have bad
=reactions to MSG, including headaches, stomachaches and even vomiting.

I'd be surprised if some of these reactions weren't due to other ingredients.
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL


The Proton has been used in 2, 3, and 4 stage versions.  The two stage version
was used for the first 3 launches, while the 3 and 4 stage versions are used
today.  The four stage version is used mostly for escape (and geosynchronous?)
orbits, while the 3 stage version is used for low earth orbits.  Since this is
the version that launched Mir and the Salyuts (and the add-on modules for Mir),
as long as Centaur is smaller than Mir (which I believe it is), it should fit
under the shroud.

I vaguely recall that the Russians are developing a LH2/LOX upper stage for the
Proton.


Hello,
	I am looking to slightly increase the performance of my 89 Honda
Civic Si.  I was wondering if anyone could suggest upgrades that were not
too drastic.  I thought that one of the easiest upgrades would be a new
header.  Does anyone know what kind of increase that the header would give
me?  I think I would check with Jackson Racing for the part.  Are there
any other comparines would make Honda parts.

	Are there any other small changes that can be easily made and won't
screw up the car.  Things like new injectors?, new fuel injection chip etc?
I would welcome any suggestions of small changes that would make a
difference.

	I don't really want to change the cam etc because I have heard that it
would be much harder on the engine.

E-Mail relpies prefered please and I will post a summary of all the replies.
Thanks for any help you may have to offer!


Actually, it's HAPP, and some of their equipment can be found in the
Parts Express catalog (1-800-338-0531).  They show switches for $2,
joysticks for $13 and trackballs for $80.  They also have pinball parts.

Good luck.


Just want to back this up with a personal anecdote.  My grandparents
have a Navajo rug made in the 1920's, which they received in trade
from the weaver while living in Flagstaff, Arizona.  The decorative motif
consists of 4 large black swastikas, one in each corner.  What's more, the
color scheme is black, white, and red.  To the casual glance it would
undoubtedly appear to be a Nazi relic of some kind.  Yet they owned it
ten years before Hitler and the National Socialists came to power.

As I recall, they took it down in the 30's, and didn't feel quite right
about putting it back up until the 60's.  It still draws comments from
those who don't know what it is.

--ccm

--
Christopher C. May * U. of Ariz. Coll. of Medicine '93 * cmay@ccit.arizona.edu
+=============================================================================+
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+


Someone posted a list of x number of alleged Bible contradictions.  As Joslin
said, most people do value quantity over quality.  Dave Butler posted some good
quality alleged contradictions that are taking a long time to properly exegete.

If you want a good list (quantity) - _When Critics Ask, A Popular Handbook On
Bible Difficulties_ by Dr. Norman Geisler deals with over 800 alleged contradictions.

Frank


To my fellow Columbian, I must ask, why do you say that I engage
in fantasies?  Arafat is a terrorist, who happens to have
 a lot of pull among Palestinians.  Can we ignore the two facts?
I doubt it.


Kermit Tensmeyer quoted from a few sources and then wrote something.
I will attempt to construct a facsimile of what was previously said, and
then address Kermit's offering.

John Redelfs originally wrote...

  jr> I learned that a man cannot frustrate justice by repenting on his
  jr> death bed because repentance is more than a feeling of remorse.  It
  jr> requires faith in Christ proven by following him, by keeping his
  jr> commandments.  Such cannot be accomplished on ones deathbed.

Tom Albrecht responded...

  ta> So Jesus must have lied to the thief on the cross.

John Redelfs wrote back that...

  jr> Paradise and salvation are not the same thing.  Salvation is better.
  jr> Refer to John 14:2.

I responded to John that...

  rw>    I don't see the effort to equate salvation with paradise.
  rw>
  rw>    Rather, I see implied the fact that only those who are saved
  rw> may enter paradise.

To which Kermit wrote...

kt> Incomplete reference:
kt>
kt> See also the discussion: Did Jesus go into Hell in the BibleStudy group
kt> for the arguments that Paradise and Hell(sheol) are places after death
kt> The discussion (no LDS were involved as far as I could see) argued using
kt> standard Christian argument from the Bible that pretty much support the
kt> LDS position.
kt>
kt>    Christ went to paridise after his death and burial.
kt>
kt>    He taught the prisoners and freed them from Darkness.
kt>
kt>    When he was resurrected, he had not yet ascended to his father.
kt>
kt> The arguement centered around what was or wasn't the proper biblical
kt> terms for those places.

     I respond.

     The question that was raised was not if Jesus went to infernal Paradise
     before entering into heaven. No one has made a point for or against
     that issue, nor have they compared the LDS position against orthodox
     belief. The infernal paradise is held to be Abraham's bosom (Luke 16),
     the place of the righteous dead in sheol (equivalent to hades).

     The point that was raised by John was that someone could not repent
     on their death bed. Tom Albrecht pointed to a Biblical example that was
     contradictory to what John's position put forward. The thief on the
     cross was promised by Christ to be with Him in Paradise, the abode of
     the righteous dead. John's position possibly needs to be reworked.
     Kermit needs to address the topic at hand.


	The girl's OK, actually, and she recovered well enough to go home.  I
don't know if she has any permanent damage, though.  Just in case anybody was
concerned...

	If people start forcing others to take responsibility for their actions
things like this wouldn't happen.  Untill we stop blaming outside causes, and
start blaming the criminals, we will continue to let things like this happen.


The following packages meet your criteria in that they are PD and
present an aesthetically pleasant graphical interface to the users.

If you can use 386bsd:
	there is xview3 (OpenLook)

	there is Interviews which looks a little like Motif

	there is gopath a very nice C++ toolkit for Athena Widgets and Motif
	         which is simpler
                 and better than interviews and you will enjoy
                 technical support from Bull via e-mail
		 It has a nice draw program (it uses motif) which can be used
		 to create graphical front-end to programs.
		 The data format is called streams which you can feed
		 to your programs. I ported gopath on an internet machine
		 which is gone but if you use gcc-2.3.3 with minimal effort
		 gopath can be ported to 386bsd.
		 Last but not least, gopath interfaces to toolkits via a driver
		 module. They have an MS-Windows driver module for instance.

	Also, many have written extensions to tk/tcl thus allowing powerful
	applications. For instance, tcl_nm  has snmp extensions for tk/tcl.
	With ease, I  can now combine snmp network operations with graphs,
	photo-widget, graphical interface, file operations, database
	operations,etc.. The author of tcl_nm mail me a simple network
	management application which was about 80 lines long - it displayed
	various environmental parameters from a router. I wrote  a simple
	strip chart script for displaying Real-Time ip received
	packets/seconds.

	Hope this helps,
	Amancio Hasty


Are there any X window servers that can run under MS-Windows??  I only know of
Deskview but have not seen it in action.  Are there any others??

Thanks in advance.


Today I recieved a in-warranty replacement for my
Diamond Speedstar 24X.  On the card I've noticed a few
changes; mostly there is a new jumper labeled JP5.
(The card is revision 5A)

My detective work has shown that this jumper simply
connects/disconnects the BALE line on the 64-pin part
of the ISA bus.

The question I have is simple:
To those people who own this revision of the Speedstar 24X,
what does the manual claim that this jumper does?

To anyone with an ISA-reference, what is the function of the
BALE line?

On a related note:
Are there any FTP sites which contain a descriptive reference to
the ISA bus?  My motherboard manual has a simple pin-to-signal-name
chart, but that is it.

-Douglas


It's not a cliche, and (unlike your comments below) it's not a tautology.
It needn't have been true.  If every pitcher in baseball were essentially
the same in quality (i.e. if the variance of pitching ability were much
smaller than the variance of batting ability), then scoring runs would be
much more important than preventing them, simply because the *ability* to
actively prevent runs would be much weaker.

If that's your point, you should have said so.  What you in fact said was
"Pitching and defense win championships", and later "Pitching is the essence
of baseball".  Neither of which says what you are now claiming was "your
point", and neither of which is true.

And you accuse Sherri of mouthing cliches!?

It's not clear to me at all that this is true.  In high-scoring games, the
team with the better offense wins a high percentage of the time.  In low-
scoring games, the split is essentially 50/50 regardless of team ability.

I thought you said "pitching and defense win championships" and "pitching is
the essence of baseball".


My favorite was the Barry Foote homer that bounced on Waveland and through
a second floor window across the street.  Second though, would be the Kong
drive that was last seen bouncing down the street that dead ends to the
park at Waveland.


Does anybody have an X server for NT that they're willing to share files
or experiences?


I think many reading this group would also benefit by knowing how
deviant the view _as I've articulated it above_ (which may not be
the true view of Khomeini) is from the basic principles of Islam.
So that the non-muslim readers of this group will see how far from
the simple basics of Islam such views are on the face of them. And
if they are _not_ in contradiction with the basics of Islam, how
subtle such issues are and how it seems sects exist in Islam while
they are explicitly proscribed by the Qur'an.

In my opinion considering any human being as having a substance
or metaphysical fundamentally different from that of any other human
being _is_ a heretical notion and one proscribed by Islam.

Absolutely! I would be interested in discussing this privately and
I am interested in hearing how one might try to make the concept of
error-free and sinless human beings philosophically consistent with
the teachings of the Qur'an. However, _prima facie_ such attemptsa
are highly susceptible to degenerating into monkery, explicitly
proscribed by the Qur'an.

Alaikum Wassalam


If your buying a compact pickup do yourself a favor and wait a few months
for the 1994 GMC sonoma.  Magazines are saying it is day and night over the
current truck.  It's georgeous, solid, and fast (200hp Vortec 4.3 V-6).
Should whip the Ranger in every area too (accept maybe payload).  And always
pick a GMC over a Chevy.  GMC's are always so much better looking.  Man, I
miss the Comanche.

Marty and Matt Owings
'87 250 ninja type rider dudes

"It's a feeling that we all wanna know
and it's an obsession to some
to keep the world in you rearview mirror
while you try to run down the sun"


(I deleted your name because I don't want to sound accusative in my remark)
I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if
you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your
alarm?  I can think of worse things in the world.  Glad you got out of there
before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun.

We can all ask "what's happening to society these days", but don't forget to
ask another important question too: What effort am I expending to make it any
different than it is?


                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I watched the CNN report and I never heard them report that the ATF started the
fire.  They did speculate that the type of CS gas might have _accidentaly_
started the fire.

                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
From my understanding of the CNN report it was 6 HOURS after they started.

              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The track vehicle that I saw in the vicinity of the building where fire was
first noticed looked more like an armored recovery vehicle (the type used to
tow tanks of battle fields) and not an armored flame-thrower vehicle.

                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day
in Texas.  It seems to me that it would be very poor planing to hope for a wood
stove to ignite the "napalm" when the stove would probably not be in use.  And
I doubt that it would have taken 6 hours to ignite it.

                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Right Clinton is in office.  (Sorry I couldn't resist, please no flames :))

In short Mr. Gorman (I am assuming Mr. as a title because I don't think a woman
would be stupid enough to make this post) I don't know what episode of CNN you
were watching but it obviously was not the same one that I was watching or your
tears seamed to have blured your hearing along with your eye sight.

Please excuse any mispelled words as I am a product of the Arkansas education
system which Slick Willie of the "Double Bubba Ticket" has so greately improved
during his tenour as Governer of my great state (taking it from 49th in the
nation in 1980 and allowing it to drop to 51st, how I don't know, and bringing
it to 44st and back to either 48th or 49th in 1990--sorry I can't rember the
source of these numbers but they can be found).


I don't know the exact coverage in the states.  In Canada it is covered
by TSN, so maybe ESPN will grab their coverage!  I don't know!

As for the picks
Ottawa picks #1 which means it is almost 100% that Alexander Daigle will
go #1. He'll either stay or be traded in Montreal or Quebec.  IMO I would
take Kariya.  He should alot of leadership in the NCAA and so far in
the World Championships.  Daigle didn't show this for his junior team.

San Jose will then get Kariya.

Tampa Bay will either go for a russian Kozlov (I think that's it) or a
    defenseman Rob Niedemeyer (probably spelt the last name wrong)

Because of expansion I won't go further but I will name other of the
blue chip prospects

   - Chris Gratton
   - Chris Pridham
   - a swedish player who I can't remember his name

Draft Order
-----------
1) Ottawa
2) San Jose
3) Tampa Bay
4) South Florida or Anahiem
5) South Florida or Anahiem
6) Hartford
7) Edmonton
8) Dallas
9) NY Rangers
10) Philadelphia

the 8th thru 10th picks could be wrong - I don't have the standings here
and am guessing

(In my mind there are 8 top notch prospects in the draft, with Kariya
 leading the way but not going #1)


  .
           It's my understanding that the U.S. Supreme Court has never
       given a legal definition of religion.  This despite the many
       cases involving religion that have come before the Court.
           Can anyone verify or falsify this?
           Has any state or other government tried to give a legal
       definition of religion?


 A cash award is OK. A time limit would be nice. You can't give away
mining rights (assuming there's anything to mine) because you don't own
them.
 -----------------------------------------------------------------
 .sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one.


   Just because the 68070 can run upto 15Mhz doesn't mean the CD-I
is running at that speed.  I said -> I understand it is a 68070 running
at something like 7Mhz.  I am not sure, but I think I read this a long
time ago.

   Anyway, still with 15Mhz, you need sprites for a lot of tricks for
making cool awesome games (read psygnosis).


The last sentence is ironic, since so many readers of
soc.religion.christian seem to not be embarrassed by apologists such as
Josh McDowell and C.S. Lewis. The above also expresses a rather odd sense
of history. What makes you think the masses in Aquinas' day, who were
mostly illiterate, knew any more about rhetoric and logic than most people
today? If writings from the period seem elevated consider that only the
cream of the crop, so to speak, could read and write. If everyone in
the medieval period "knew the rules" it was a matter of uncritically
accepting what they were told.

Bill Mayne


  Actually, I beleive "DWI" normally means "Driving While Impaired" rather
than "Intoxicated", at least it does in the states I've lived in...

  One can be imparied without necessarily being impaired by liquor - drugs,
not enough sleep, being a total moron :-), all can impair someone etc...  I'm
surprised this got her off the hook...  Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined
to liquor?

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013


My last article included this quote:

 "If any substantial number of  [ talk.religion.misc ]  readers read some
  Wittgenstein, 60% of the postings would disappear.  (If they *understood*
  some Wittgenstein, 98% would disappear. :-))" -- Michael L Siemon

There is a convention called a `smiley', which looks like this:   :-)  .
It is supposed to look like a sideways smiley-face, and indicates that the
preceding comment is supposed to be funny.

And, I'll note that I have participated on talk.religion.misc for over
five years -- I'd say Mr Siemon was not too far off.  8^)

 *

In the meat of his reply, Mr Boundary serves up an excellent example of what
I meant by "There is no way out of the loop".  I wrote that human brains "are
infested with sin", and can be trusted only in limited circumstances.

Which just moves the problem back one level: how do you tell if your
conscience is properly formed?

The only way to tell is to presuppose that you are capable of judging the
formed-ness of your own conscience.  In other words, you can only be sure
that your conscience is `properly formed' if you assume that your evaluation
can be trusted.  Assuming your conclusions saves you a lot of time, I'll
grant, but it's not a valid way of reasoning.

Unless you are infallible, your judgements about your own thinking cannot be
certain.  Therefore, it is not possible to be certain your conscience is
`properly formed'.  (Whatever that is supposed to mean.)

Mr Boundary then gives another paradigm example of the problem:

The Church is `by necessity' the infallible interpreter of divine revelation?
How do you know?  Presumably, you believe this because of some argument or
another -- how do you know that the argument contains no mistakes?

You write:

But there is a huge difference between `confidence in our ability to
distinguish what is true from what is not true' and `infallible'.  I am
confident about a lot of things, but absolute certainty is a very long way
from `confident'.

This discussion is about the arrogance of claiming to be absolutely certain
(really, go check the subject line).  Saying you are absolutely certain is
significantly different than saying you are confident.  When you say that
you are confident, that invites people to ask why.

Except in very limited circumstances, when you say that you are absolutely
certain, it invites people to dismiss you as someone who does not have any
idea of his own fallibility.

I have yet to meet anyone who believed in a knowably-infallible source of
truth who would admit the possibility of errors in his reasoning.  All of
them -- every last one -- has claimed that he was himself infallible.
The result has been to convince me that they had no idea what was going on.

Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu

[This particular discussion may not be entirely relevant to the
original criticism.  I get the feeling that the original poster
regarded as arrogant the very idea that there are right and wrong
answers in religion, and that the difference can have eternal
consequences.  When I say that I think there is a hell and that he is
at least in significant danger of ending up there, I will admit that
-- as you say -- the reasoning processes I used to reach this are
fallible.  Thus at least in principle I could be wrong.  But these
basic facts are clearly enough taught in the Bible that I think it's
unlikely that I'm misinterpreting it.  (In order to get this level of
confidence, I've tried to frame my statement sufficiently carefully as
to sidestep a number of the more controversial issues.  I haven't, for
example said that all non-Christians will definitely end up in hell,
and I haven't attempted to describe hell in any detail.)  I have a
feeling that my view is going to be regarded as arrogant and
intolerant even though I acknowledge that I'm fallible and so there's
some chance I'm wrong.

Don't get me wrong -- I think there are a lot of genuinely arrogant
Christians, and often criticism of us is justified.  But in at least
some cases I think the criticisms constitute blaming the messenger.
If the universe is set up so that there are eternal consequences for
certain decisions, it's not my fault -- I'm just telling it the way I
think it is.  You may think God is immoral for setting things up that
way.  It's one of the critiques of Christianity that I find it most
difficult to respond to.  But it's not arrogance for me to tell what
I think is the truth.


Great! I'll visit the National Air and Space Museum at the end of the
month with my wife, who was also working at General Atomic at the time.
Once again netnews has enriched my life.


   Request for opinions:

   Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?

   We're looking for more than "Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the
   1-pc is better protection,..."

   Thanks in advance,
   Nadine

What is best? Books have been written on that! But in regard to
AeroStich it really depends on your particular size, shape and needs.
If you upper and lower body are not proportional (according to aero
dimensions) then it probably is going to be better mixing and matching
the 2 piece suit. I have the 2 piece suit and I am very happy with it.
Having my life quota of scars from crashing off road, I am very
concerned with good protection and I believe that the difference in
protection between the 1 and 2 piece suits is almost negligible. I
think the optional hip pads and back protector make much more of a
difference. One thing that is nice about the 2 piece is if you go
somewhere and then want to walk around for a while (still with jacket)
you can just detach and stow the pants.

One thing to note is that Goldfine has problems getting a good fit for
many women (with standard suits). Supposedly for smaller women (and
petite men for that matter) the 1 piece will fit better.

Another recommendation is to pay for mods if you need them. I wish I
got 2-3 inches added to my pant legs. I find the Long suits are not
really that long (I can't imagine how short the standard suits must
be).


What I like about GUI's:

	- The ability to view and manipulate a group of objects, files,
	  text, directories, etc. and and manipulate them in some way
	  such as delete, copy, paste, rename ...

	- The ability to have several applications / screens visible
	  and accessable at the same time.

	- Being able to do a standard set of functions easily and
	  quickly on an unfamiliar operating system. I am familiar with
	  the command lines of several operating systems but occasionally
	  I will have to some work on a system that I almost never use.
	  If it has a GUI, I can usually accomplish what I want to do
	  fairly easily, the command line on the other hand often is
	  a long and painful experience.

What I hate about GUI's:

	- Having to switch between the mouse and the keyboard. I guess
	  I have a strong one-handed preference. I like to use a
	  computer with one hand and use the other for holding something
	  like a piece of paper of a mug of tea. I have configured my
	  favorite editor so that most of the editing functions can be
	  done with one hand such as navigating, cutting, pasting,
	  searching, opening and saving files, etc. The main thing I
	  need to use both hands for is entering text.

	I guess I need to get one of those mice with, like, 20 buttons
	or something and then I will have the best of both worlds.


[stuff deleted]

Ok, here's the solution to your problem.  Move to Canada.  Yesterday I was able
to watch FOUR games...the NJ-PITT at 1:00 on ABC, LA-CAL at 3:00 (CBC),
BUFF-BOS at 7:00 (TSN and FOX), and MON-QUE at 7:30 (CBC).  I think that if
each series goes its max I could be watching hockey playoffs for 40-some odd
consecutive nights (I haven't counted so that's a pure guess).

I have two tv's in my house, and I set them up side-by-side to watch MON-QUE
and keep an eye on BOS-BUFF at the same time.  I did the same for the two
afternoon games.

Btw, those ABC commentaters were great!  I was quite impressed; they seemed
to know that their audience wasn't likely to be well-schooled in hockey lore
and they did an excellent job.  They were quite impartial also, IMO.


I have the following games for sale or trade for other SNES (or
Genesis/MegaDrive games):
(all have instructions and box except where stated)

SFC:
Mickeys Magical Quest (no instructions)
A.Suzukis Super GrandPrix
Legend of the Mystical Ninja

UK SNES:
Out of this World / Another World
Super Soccer

US SNES:
Krustys Fun House
Irem Skins Golf
Super Tennis (currently under offer)

I will sell for US$ for UK pounds.

Cheers
Jonathan


Execute the juvi on the grounds of the reformatory, required attendendence
by the rest of the inmates, as soon as possible after the incident and a
quick sure trial.  I am quite serious.  Cause and effect.  Nothing else
will ever make a dent.

Me neither.


Please excuse if FAQ but...
New Trident 8900CL based card claims to have 1280x1024 support.
Drivers with card indicate several 1280x1024 drivers on diskette.
Windows 3.1 does not make all drivers on diskette available to
configuration dialog box. Any suggestion?
Thanx; please e-mail.
dfeldman@uswest.com


   Try putting one of the IRQs for your COM ports onto IRQ2. The hardware will
automagically wrap IRQ2 to IRQ9 on AT class machines (eg, anything with high
IRQs). This is what I'm doing on my set up right now.
   I've got COM2 on IRQ2 (really IRQ9 - address it this way in software), COM1
on IRQ3, SoundBlaster on IRQ5, LPT1 on IRQ7, and my ATI BusMouse port on one of
the interrupts in between. Works just great.
   If you need even more, there's a text file floating around somewhere that
details how to hack up any serial card (and probably any others) to work on the
higher IRQs. It basically involves cutting the trace to the low IRQ and running a wire over the a high IRQ pin on the 16bit expansion bus.

  It will be best to put the modem's COM port onto IRQ2/9. This will be the

first IRQ serviced by the system, giving the modem a better response --
especially handy under multitaskers like OS/2 -- which I'm running with no
problems.

Justin


Fishing rights are disputed.  Between 2 nations, no matter *how*
friendly, there is ALWAYS fishing disputes.

What I was getting at was the 54 40' or fight slogan is OLD STUFF
dealing with the LAND dispute.  No one is saying 54 40' or fight
about fishing rights.  The territorial dispute about the Oregon
Territory (we called it) is LONG resolved.

Fishing rights...small potatoes.


Size of armies, duration, numbers of casualties both absolute and as a
percentage of those involved, geographical area and numbers of countries
too, are all measures of size.  In this case I'd say the relevant
statistic would be the number of combatants (total troops) compared to
total casualties from among the total civilian population in the
affected geographical area.

Vietnam and Korea might make good comparisons.

Western news in general, but in particular the American "mass media":
CBS, NBC, ABC, etc.  The general tone of the news during the whole
war was one of "those poor, poor Iraqis" along with "look how precisely
this cruise missile blew this building to bits".

I agree.

Perhaps so.  And maybe the atomic bomb was a mistake too.  But that's easy
to say from our "enlightened" viewpoint here in the 90's, right?  Back
then, it was *all-out* war, and Germany and Japan had to be squashed.
After all, a million or more British had already died, hundreds of
thousands of French, a couple hundread thousand or so Americans, and
millions of Russians, not to mention a few million Jews, Poles, and
other people of slavic descent in German concentration camps.  All
things considered, the fire-bombings and the atomic bomb were
essential (and therefore justified) in bringing the war to a quick
end to avoid even greater allied losses.

I, for one, don't regret it.

Sure.  And it's the people who suffer because of them.  All the more
reason to depose these "entrenched political rulers operating in their
own selfish interests"!  Or do you mean that this applies to the allies
as well??

I make no claim or effort to justify the misguided foreign policy of the
West before the war.  It is evident that the West, especially America,
misjudged Hussein drastically.  But once Hussein invaded Kuwait and
threatened to militarily corner a significant portion of the world's
oil supply, he had to be stopped.  Sure the war could have been
prevented by judicious and concerted effort on the part of the West
before Hussein invaded Kuwait, but it is still *Hussein* who is
responsible for his decision to invade.  And once he did so, a
strong response from the West was required.

Well, it's not very "loving" to allow a Hussein or a Hitler to gobble up
nearby countries and keep them.  Or to allow them to continue with mass
slaughter of certain peoples under their dominion.  So, I'd have to
say yes, stopping Hussein was the most "loving" thing to do for the
most people involved once he set his mind on military conquest.

I mentioned it.

If we hadn't intervened, allowing Hussein to keep Kuwait, then it would
have been appeasement.  It is precisely the lessons the world learned
in WW2 that motivated the Western alliance to war.  Letting Hitler take
Austria and Czechoslavkia did not stop WW2 from happening, and letting
Hussein keep Kuwait would not have stopped an eventual Gulf War to
protect Saudi Arabia.

Sure.  What was truly unfortunate was that they followed Hitler in
his grandiose quest for a "Thousand Year Reich".  The consequences
stemmed from that.

What should I say about them?  Anything in particular?

So?  It was the *policemen* on trial not Rodney King!!  And under American
law they deserved a jury of *their* peers!  If there had been black
officers involved, I'm sure their would have been black jurors too.
This point (of allegedly racial motivations) is really shallow.

So?  It's "hard to imagine"?  So when has Argument from Incredulity
gained acceptance from the revered author of "Constructing a Logical
Argument"?  Can we expect another revision soon??  :)  (Just kidding.)

I have to admit that I wonder this too.  But *neither* the prosecution
nor the defense is talking.  So one cannot conclude either way due to
the silence of the principals.

OK.  It certainly seemed to me that there was excessive force involved.
And frankly, the original "not guilty" verdict baffled me too.  But then
I learned that the prosecution in the first case did not try to convict
on a charge of excessive force or simple assault which they probably
would have won, they tried to get a conviction on a charge of aggravated
assault with intent to inflict serious bodily harm.  A charge, which
news commentators said, was akin to attempted murder under California
law.  Based on what the prosecution was asking for, it's evident that
the first jury decided that the officers were "not guilty".  Note,
not "not guilty" of doing wrong, but "not guilty" of aggravated assault
with the *intent* of inflicting serious bodily harm.  The seeds of the
prosecutions defeat were in their own overconfidence in obtaining a
verdict such that they went for the most extreme charge they could.

If the facts as the news commentators presented them are true, then
I feel the "not guilty" verdict was a reasonable one.

Thanks mathew, I like the quote.  Pretty funny actually.  (I'm a
Monty Python fan, you know.  Kind of seems in that vein.)

Of course, oversimplifying any moral argument can make it seem
contradictory.  But then, you know that already.

Regards,


Ah yes.  California.  Did the San Francisco Bay area media report that
Joe Montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired
San Jose Sharks coach George Kingston?  Apparently Montana is not only
coveted for his winning attitude, but as a playing coach he will be
expected to quarterback the powerplay.

Good thing those walls are so soft, eh Rollie?

--


I heard it will be the Minnesota-Detroit game. Don't know the time
though.

Dave


In regards to fractal commpression, I have seen 2 fractal compressed "movies".
They were both fairly impressive.  The first one was a 64 gray scale "movie" of
Casablanca, it was 1.3MB and had 11 minutes of 13 fps video.  It was a little
grainy but not bad at all.  The second one I saw was only 3 minutes but it
had 8 bit color with 10fps and measured in at 1.2MB.

I consider the fractal movies a practical thing to explore.  But unlike many
other formats out there, you do end up losing resolution.  I don't know what
kind of software/hardware was used for creating the "movies" I saw but the guy
that showed them to me said it took 5-15 minutes per frame to generate.  But as
I said above playback was 10 or more frames per second.  And how else could you
put 11 minutes on one floppy disk?


Hi everyone,

Does anyone know a good way to adjust colourmaps on the
fly (say during an animation) and prevent the current
set of colours from flickering?

Thanks,


This model is one of the two low-cost laser printers that Apple just
introduced.  I'm thinking of getting one to use at home.  Have any of you
had any experience with this printer?   Does it have Level-2 PostScript?
If you've bought one, are you happy with it?


This thread brings back memorys of an expensive day in traffic court
a few years ago.  While I was waiting my turn to state my case and
plea of why I was going 75 in a 55 in my cage, I had the opportunity
to listen to some of the "creative excuses" offered the judge by others.

After listening to a number of "Well, I was passing a very slow truck
that suddenly speed up" versions, I decided that the judge had heard
just about every story in the book and then some.  He was less than
impressed with any of them.

This young, rather burley looking guy, had his docket read by a
rather drill sargent looking Ohio State Highyway Patrol Trooper.
He was clocked riding a motorcycle at a speed of 110 mph in a 55 mph
zone.  It was also noted that the defendant (motorcycle rider) had
alcohol on his breath, but was not cited for this offence.

The judge looked over his half glasses purched on the end of his nose
and said in his sternest voice: "Well son, those are some pretty
fast speeds to be riding a motorcycle.  What do you have to say for
your self?"

"Well Sir", meekly the defenant replied, "I just was over to my
buddys and we had a couple of beers and I was on my way home."
He offered nothing more or less.  Just had a couple of beers and
was doing 110 mph on his way home.

The judge moved by the simplicity of the response, fined him the
maximum in this case (plus court costs of course) and ordered him
to attend remedial drivers training school.

Isn't America Great??


What can be done, short of circumcision, for an adult male
whose foreskin will not retract?


I think it all depends on your motherboard and the cards you have in your system.  Your HD stopped boot probably because your HD controller can't handle the faster BUS speed.  I have a 486-33DX, I set my bus divider to CLK/2.5, that is close to 13MHz.  I can gain singificant performace increase on my Video card and harddisk transfer rate when I boost the bus speed.  And my system work flawlessly under this setting.  And you know what, when I go to CLK/2(17MHz BUS), my HD refuse to boot.

Just my 2 cent.


Hi,

  I'm writing a science fiction script and I'm looking for some
answers to questions regarding the Moon and Earth. My starting point
is an impossible situation.  [I checked with a professor at berkeley
and his response was a VERY helpful "can't happen".] If you enjoy
playing with unusual ideas and are willing answer some questions
please contact me via e-mail (jennise@dgi.com).

  I get extremely annoyed when screen and tele-plays ignore basic
facts about computers that I'm determined to be as scientifically
accurate as I can.

  Sorry for being vague, but I'd like to protect my idea as much as I
can until I'm ready to sell it (hopefully).


			  While there may not be a part number for the CD300i drive, I have seen
a part number for the bezel kit (a new front panel with the slot in it
through which you insert the CD). The document (which I got from the
2/10/93 announcement at our Apple office) states the drive kit and bezel
kits are separate items and the bezel kit has an SRP of $149 fro the C650.
The external unit may be a better deal after all.


In another post-game interview, LaRussa claimed that Sparky was "the
best manager in basebal," explaining that to be part of the history
of Sparky softened the blow of losing.

Go Tigers!!!
 Tim

 Timothy Law Snyder
 Department of Computer Science
 Reiss 225
 Georgetown University
 Washington, DC 20057


I have a new 25 MHz Motorola 68040 that I am willing to sell if I get
a good enough offer.  It is still in its static free sealed package.

If I don't get a good enough offer, I will use it to replace my 68LC040.

Any takers?

Supposedly you can get one of these for $375.  However, at the moment the
demand is higher than the supply so I think $400 is a good round number.
I will pay shipping, of course.


 ^^^^^^^^^
1 Cor 11:31-32 "But if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgment.
When we are judged by the ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ Lord, we are being discipled so
that we will not be condemned with the world."

1 Cor 5:3 "Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit.
And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were
present."          ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^

1 Cor 2:15-16 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he
himself is not     ^^^^^^^^^ subject to any man's      ^^^ judgement:  'For
who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?'  But we have the
mind of Christ."

Jude :14-15 "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men:  'See,
the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge
everyone, and to   ^^^^ convict all the ungodly of  ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^ all
the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words
ungodly sinners have spoken against him.'"

Arrogance is a sin.  Although a desire to show others of one's rightness may
be a sign of arrogance in some cases,  it may be only a sign that they are
following the Bible in others:

Jude :22-23 "Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and
save them; to others show mercy, mixed with  ^^^^^^ fear -- hating  ^^^^ even
^^^^ the clothing stained by corrupted flesh."

I hope you don't find me arrogant, then.  This sounds like a bad practice --
ignoring what certain people say because you perceive them as arrogant.

James 1:19 "My dear brothers, take note of this:  Everyone should be quick to
listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry,"


TDB> 12. Disease introduced to Brazilian * oher S.Am. tribes: x million

To be fair, this was going to happen eventually.  Given time, the Americans
would have reached Europe on their own and the same thing would have
happened.  It was just a matter of who got together first.


Excerpts from misc: 27-Apr-93 Re: X Toolkits Sivesh Pradhaan@rebels.b (423)

You can use telnet:


Ted Frank's list of underpaid players was this:

What do all of these players have in common?  They do not qualify for
arbitration.  They were never free agents.

It's called the reserve clause.  Look it up.

And a year from now we will whine about how several of these guys are way
overpaid and getting outrageous raises in arb.  Humbug.