Perhaps you're using the wrong brand! (Sorry all HP fans, but I have
a hard time being convinced that their scopes match the rest of their
(excellent) gear).

One of the principal functions I look for when considering a DSO is
whether you can turn interpolation off. The other important feature
is to disable repetitive waveform acquisition i.e. being able to lock
the instrument into real time capture mode.

I agree with you here. The only consolation is that manufacturers are
_beginning_ to pay attention to ergonomics when designing the menus.
However, to be fair, it seems that first time scope users (our students)
seem to adjust to menus easier than navigating around the twenty or
more knobs required of a "real" scope :-)

This is one area that newer DSOs are addressing. I recently evaluated
the latest box from Tek - their TDS320 - which seems to be a worthy
alternative to a standard 100MHz analogue CRO. This instrument has
a 100MHz, 500Ms/s spec, meaning that it is _always_ in real time
capture mode. The pricing also matches equivalent analogue scopes in
the range. The downer is that the instrument uses menus again, but at
least they appear to be logically laid out.

One more thing about the new, "simpler", front panels. These instruments
tend to use digital rotary encoders as knobs now. This is a vast improvement
over the old oak switch. The single most common cause of failure in our
scopes (other than students blowing up inputs!) is mechanical wear on these
switches. I look at the new panels as a great step toward increasing the
longevity of the instruments.

JohnH

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Just wondering.  A friend and I were talking the other day, and
we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish
baseball players, past and present.  We weren't able to come up
with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and
maybe John Lowenstein.  Can anyone come up with any more.  I know
it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but
humor us.  Thanks for your help.


Two LH Research SM11-1 power supplies (SM10 series).

1000W, 5V, 200A (currently wired for 115VAC)

Control lines: +/- sense, on/off, pwr.fail, high/low margin, and
current monitor.

(The list price from LH Research is $824.00 each for qty. 1-9)

Asking $500.00 for the pair.


Yes this is a common problem.  The leaks occur through the seal of the
taillights.  Unfortunately, Ford has this with Most Probes and does
not have a recall for it.  Very dissatisfying to say the least.

There is no drain holes that I know of.  I used a margine tub to drain it
Regretably I waited three months as I was short cash and they wouldn't fix it
under warrantee.  Then I paid dearly as it messed up my electrical system
including a balance/motion sensor which is located near the fuel shutoff in
the trunk.  This resulted in my passive restraints malfunctioning--they would
not retract.  So I ended up paying about $200 to have the sensor replaced;
$90 to have the tail lights resealed (they firts replaced the hatch gasket
which I insisted was not the problem so they did not charge me for that
when I proved to be right.); not to mention the water damage to the
covers to the trunk/spare com partment and algae in the taillights.

very annoying.  Don't let the water problem go--get it fixed or you'll pay
more later.  Considering how common a problem it is I hope every one
complains to Ford.


I have a Centris 610 & want to get an IBM machine as well.
To save space on my desk, I would like to use one monitor
for both, with a switch-box. Does anyone know of a way to do
this?


It's supposedly a high-performance chip based upon workstation graphics
accelerators.  It's quite fast (I have 7), but as usual with new boards/chips
the drivers are buggy for Windows.  As far as Winmarks go, it depends upon
the version.  I think I got 42M winmarks with version 3.11.  2.5 yielded the
50+ number.  I've also benchmarked this with Wintach at over 65 (from memory
as well).

As far as the low-level stuff goes, it looks pretty nice.  It's got this
quadrilateral fill command that requires just the four points.

It's very fast, but beware of buggy drivers, and otherwise no non-windows
support.


# 3.      Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so,
# could you provide any evidence ?

Yes, Israel has nuclear weapons. However:

1) Their use so far has been restricted to killing deer, by LSD addicted
   "Cherrie" soldiers.

2) They are locked in the cellar of the "Garinei Afula" factory, and since
   the Gingi lost the key, no one can use them anymore.

3) Even if the Gingi finds the key, the chief Rabbis have a time lock
   on the bombs that does not allow them to be activated on the Sabbath
   and during weeks which follow victories of the Betar Jerusalem soccer
   team. A quick glance at the National League score table will reveal
   the strategic importance of this fact.


You are making the same mistake I did: you are confusing the DRIVE
interface to the DATA THROUGHPUT interface.  Again from my Mac & IBM info
sheet {available by FTP on sumex-aim.stanford.edu (36.44.0.6) in the
info-mac/report as mac-ibm-compare173.txt}:
Expansion
Both Mac & IBM
SCSI: only external device expansion interface common to both Mac and IBM.
 Allows the use of any device: hard drive, printer, scanner, Nubus card
 expansion {Mac Plus only}, some monitors, and CD-ROM.  Apple developed some
 specifications for SCSI controlers while IBM has no exact controller
 specifications {which results in added incompatibilities on IBM machines}.
 Main problem:  there are a lot of external devices which are internal
 terminated which causes problems for more then two devises off the SCSI port
 {A SCSI chain is supposed to be terminated ONLY at the begining and at the
 end.  Any other set up causes problems for either Mac or IBM}.
SCSI-1:  7 devices per SCSI controller.  8-bit asynchronous {~1.5MB/s ave}
 and synchronous {5MB/s max} transfer base.  16-bit SCSI-1 requires a
 SCSI-2 controler chip and can provide only fast SCSI-2 not wide SCSI-2
 which are both 16-bit interfaces {see SCSI-2}.
SCSI-2: 10 devices per SCSI controller in SCSI-2 mode.  SCSI-2 is fully
 SCSI-1 complient and tends to be implimented as a very fast SCSI-1 since it
 needs a different controller interface in both hardware {which tends to be
 very expendsive} and software.  Transfer speeds are 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst
 {8-bit}, 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst {16-bit}, and 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst
 {32-bit/wide and fast}.  SCSI-2 in SCSI-1 mode is limited to 7 devices and
 reduced 8-bit or 16-bit {fast only} throughput due to the difference between
 SCSI-1 and wide SCSI-2 ports.

IBM
HD Interfaces {limited to hard drives by design or lack of development}:
[...]
IDE:  Integrated Device Electronics
 currently the most common standard, and is mainly used for medium sized
 drives. Can have more than one hard drive. Asynchronous Transfer: ~5MB/s max.

So at its LOWEST setting SCSI-2 interface in Asynchronous SCSI-1 mode AVERAGES
the through put MAXIMUM of IDE in asynchronous mode.  In full SCSI-2 mode
it blows poor IDE out the window, down the street, and into the garbage can.
The problem becomes can the drive mechanisim keep up with those through put
rates and THAT is where the bottleneck and cost of SCSI-2 comes from.  NOT
the interface itself but more and more from drive mechanisims to use the
SCSI-2 through put.  The cost of SCSI interface is a self fulliling
prophisy: few people buy SCSI because it is so expencive for the PC, which
in turn convices makes that mass producing SCSI {which would reduce its
cost} is unwarented, and so SCSI is expencive. {That is the effect of the
Rule of Scale: the more items sold the less EACH item has to bare the brunt
the cost of manufacture and so the less each item has to cost}


But with cheaper fuel from space based sources it will be cheaper to
reach more orbits than from the ground.

Also remember, that the presence of a repair/supply facility adds value
to the space around it. If you can put your satellite in an orbit where it
can be reached by a ready source of supply you can make it cheaper and gain
benefit from economies of scale.

  Allen


Some kind soul told me that I could change the serial port buffer size
of Zterm via ResEdit. He did not tell me HOW I could change it using
ResEdit, and I have lost his e-mail address.

Could he or any one else please tell me what to do?

I assume that the relevant resource is zSet, but I do not know, and
I have no template for that resource. If you have a TMPL for the correct
resource, I would be grateful to receive it. That way, I could play around
a bit and maybe get my Duo to do something useful with its serial port.
(other than Appletalk).

BTW, I believe that when the port stats says that maximum in buffer is
3074 bytes, that that means increasing the buffer will help, if you are
using hardware handshaking. I can cram text data pretty fast into my Duo,
and can monitor that CTS is being lowered, but the buffer never gets beyond
3074 (out of 4096) bytes. Makes sense to me.


: Having met Peter Kingston (of WBT) some years back, he struck me
: as an exemplery and dedicated Christian whose main concern was with
: translation of the Word of God and the welfare of the people
: group he was serving.
: WBT literature is concerned mainly with providing Scripture
: in minority languages.

Yes, in fact Peter is now at Wycliffe HQ in the U.K., and is a member of my
church. I would fully endorse the above -- Peter is a very Godly man, with a
passion for serving Christ.

On one occasion he specifically addressed the issue of ``cultural
interference'' in a sermon, presumably from his experience of allegations
directed at Wycliffe. (Perhaps I could find the tape...?)


Yes.

Please describe these "number of ways" in detail.  Then explain the any
contradictions that may arise.

Define "difficult".

Explain the laws in America stating that you have to drive on the right-
hand side of the road.

So if every member of the species was homosexual, this wouldn't be destructive
to the survival of the species?

The whole "theory" needs to be reexamined...


(forgive any inaccuracies, i deleted the original post)
isn't this the same person who wrote the book, and was censured
in canada a few years back?


: I'm trying out the C++ graphics package InterViews. Besides the man pages
: on the classes, I haven't got any documentation. Is there anything else
: around? Furthermore, can anyone send me a (small!) example program
: which shows how to use these classes together ? I would be very gratefull...


Seagate 1.2GB SCSI hard Drive
Brand NEW with full factory warranty.
5-1/4" FH, 15ms access time, 150,000 MTBF
Only $1100+s/h.


The subject says it all. My 1984 Chev S10 Pickup's left turn signal does
not stop after turning. What cause this to stop automaticaly?. Is this
a mechanical problem by the steering wheel?.


I agree that the image is as sharp as it gets with these SONY tubes,
however in the 17" monitors using these tubes, the 2 annoying black
lines on the top and bottom quarters of the tube, which are created due
to the wires holding up the Invar Shadow Mask, are quite annoying after
a while.  That is the only thing that is making me lean more in favor
of the NEC 5FG (or now also available the NEC 5FGe - only difference,
no ACCUCOLOR ).  Any experiences or opinions from people who have used
the NEC 5FG would be appreciated since I want to get one right after
my exams are all done (ie: about a week from now).

-Tony


This way to detect pre-encryption may be defeated ; one can do
transformation of the spectrum of encrypted signal just by adding some
pre-arranged (in the beginning of communication) function.
I think so. Say, you can do FFT of your encrypted signal.
Just thinking ...

--
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      For PGP2.1 public key finger mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu


What???  This is an incredible statement!  The NSA tried to suppress
public key crypto and RSA, and yet they claim to encourage use of
strong crypto for US citizens.

Would you trust a black-box from the NSA versus an "open system" from
elsewhere?

/-----------------------------------\
\-----------------------------------/


 >Loud pipes are a biligerent exercise in ego projection,

No arguements following, just the facts.

I was able to avoid an accident by revving my engine and having my
*stock* Harley pipes make enough noise to draw someones attention.

I instinctively revved my engine before I went for my horn. Don't know
why, but I did it and it worked. Thats rather important.

I am not saying "the louder the pipes the better". My Harley is loud
and it gets me noticed on the road for that reason. I personally do
not feel it is to loud. If you do, well thats to bad; welcome to
America - "Home of the Free, Land of the Atlanta Braves".

If you really want a fine tuned machine like our federal government
to get involved and pass Db restrictions; it should be generous
enough so that a move like revving your engine will get you noticed.
Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we
get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or
how long it would take me to push my horn button??

And aren't you the guy that doesn't even have a bike???


Hi Xian Netters,  God bless you

CONTENTS
1. intro
2. love your neighbor
3. reaction to posts
   a. purpose
   b. eternal life

I've been reading this news group religiously =) for about a month.
Sometimes It really gives me what I need, spiritually.  At other times I
get a little IRATE.

There are all kinds of people in every group and I take offense at
intolerance.  It's awfully hard to tolerate such people. =) ( OOPS! I've
gone over my smiley quota already and it's only the second paragraph =(.
IMHO they should follow the commandment to love thy neighbor and leave
the judging up to GOD.

SPECIFICALLY:
one's sexual orientation is part of one's self
love the sinner hate the sin DOES NOT APPLY

Pay attention fundaligionists.  Love your neighbor wether you like it
or not.  I'd be happy to get flamed endlessly and loose scripture
quotation contests galore to defend this point.  I beleive this is
correct.

BTW Love the sinner hate the sin is a slippery slope, with hatred at the
bottom.

INCREDIBLY CHOPPED UP POST
I won't even try to tell you where the deletions came out

I find that I am dissatisfied with the little purposes that we can
manufacture for ourselves.  Little in the cosmic sense.  Even the
greatest of the great pharos are long gone, the pyramids historical
oddities being worn down by the wind, eventually to be turned into dust.
Mankind itself will one day perish.  Without some interconnectedness
that transcends the physical, without God, it is all pointless in the
end.  Most people are able to live with that, and for them little
purposes (success, money, power, effecting change, helping others)
suffice.  I suppose they never  think about the cosmic scale, or are at
least able to put it out of their minds.

To me, it is comforting to know that reality is an illusion.  That the
true reality underneath the the physical is spirit.  That this world is
a school of sorts, where we learn and grow, and our souls mature.  That
gives a purpose to my little purposes, and takes some of the pressure
off.  It's not so necessary to make this life a success in human terms
if you're really just here to learn.  It's more important to progress,
grow, persist, to learn to love yourself and others and to express your
love, especially when it's dificult to do so.  Honest effort is rewarded
by God, he knows our limitations.

Interesting theological question.  I have a feeling that most common
perception of eternal life is WAY off base.  If I were to be imprisoned
in the limited ego/mind I am in now I doubt I would choose imortality.
It would get awfully boring.

TWO SERIOUS QUESTIONS/INVITATIONS TO DISCUSSION
1. What is the nature of eternal life?
2. How can we as mortals locked into space time conceive of it?


	It's not really crap you know... only half crap ;-)   From what i
understand it's very expensive to play hockey south of the border...
(actually it's not that cheap up hear either... though once you have all the
equipement it's not more than $300 a year... actually i haven' played in
about 8 years so i could be off a bit... )  In the states, where ice time
is considerably more expensive it can cost over a thousand a year... compare
this to baseball and you'll see that hockey is a sport for the well-to-do...
And this brings up the fact that the well-to-do in the US are majority white...

BTW: what was the original question... i think it has to do with the Hispanic
communtiy and playing hockey....

					Cheers!
						i.
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This is an addition (posted with permission) to some tech. details of
cliper. They enligthen ??? the use of S1 and S2 for keygeneration.
-------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 08:51:57 EDT
From: denning@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu (Dorothy Denning)
Subject: Re:  Clipper Chip

I just had another conversation with NSA to clarify some of the features
of Clipper.  Please feel free to distribute this and my other messages
on Clipper.

The name of the encryption algorithm is "Skipjack."

Martin Hellman had written

                and the serial number of the unit added to produce a three part
                message which will then be encrypted under the system key SK
                producing

                     E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number;  SK}

To which I responded:

        My understanding is that E[M; K] is not encrypted under SK (called the
        "family key") and that the decrypt key corresponding to SK is held by
        law enforcement.  Does anyone have first hand knowledge on this?

I was correct in that E[M; K] is not encrypted under SK.  However, Skipjack
being a single-key system, there is, of course, not a separate decrypt key
for the family key SK.

        The unit key, also called the "chip key," is generated from the
        serial number N as follows.  Let N1, N2, and N3 be 64 bit blocks
        derived from N, and let S1 and S2 be two 80-bit seeds used as keys.
        Compute the 64-bit block

                R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1]

        (Note that this is like using the DES in triple encryption mode with
        two keys.)  Similarly compute blocks R2 and R3 starting with N2 and N3.
        (I'm unlear about whether the keys S1 and S2 change.  The fact that
        they're called seeds suggests they might.)  Then R1, R2, and R3 are
        concatenated together giving 192 bits.  The first 80 bits  form K1 and
        the next 80 bits form K2.  The remaining bits are discarded.

The seeds S1 and S2 do not change.   The whole process is performed on
a laptop computer, and S1 and S2 are supplied by two independent people
so that no one person knows both.  The same S1 and S2 are used during
an entire "programming session" to generate keys for a stream of serial
numbers.  Everything is discarded at the end (the computer could be
thrown out if desired).

The serial number is 30 bits and the values N1, N2, and N3 are formed
by padding the serial number with fixed 34-bit blocks (separate padding
for each value).

The resulting keys K1 and K2 are output onto separate floppy disks, paired
up with their serial number.  Each pair is stored in a separate file.  The
floppy disks are taken away by two separate people on behalf of the two
escrow agencies.

Dorothy Denning
denning@cs.georgetown.edu

--------------------------------------------------------
I am sure more technical detail will be known when time goes by.
Please remark, that in posting this, I do not automatically agree
with it's contents and implications. So don't swamp my mailbox :-)

I just think this is an valuable addition to the less than technical
discussion that is rising here. And, no, I don't mind if you call
S1 and S2 'backdoor', as I could imagine the key-generation process
working without these seeds and the dependency of K1,K2 from the
Serial-Number.

Friendly greetings,

	Germano Caronni


[...]

Shouldn't this read "Braves Hitters are at the AAA Club?"
--
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic


Isn't there a relatively new treatment for kidney stones involving
   a non-invasive use of ultra-sound where the patient is lowered
   into some sort of liquid when he/she undergoes treatment? I'm sure
   I've read about it somewhere. If I remember it correctly it is a
   painless and effective treatment.
   A couple of weeks ago I visited a hospital here in Stockholm and
   saw big signs showing the way to the "Kidney stone chrusher" ...


That is because two creation stories is one of the worst examples of
a difficulty with the Bible.  "were formed" can also be translated "had been
formed" in chapter two without any problems.  So the text does not demand
that there are two creation stories.


From article <1993Apr21.013846.1374@cx5.com>, by tlc@cx5.com:

According to my ColoRIX manual .SCF files are 640x480x256

You may try VPIC, I think it handles the 256 color RIX files OK..


Koc) responded to article <1993Apr22.152937.14766@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.

[DD]  Problem 1
[DD]
[DD] My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the
[DD] Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed
[DD] extraordinary heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the
[DD] Persian troops. The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army.
[DD] The second time, pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the
[DD] soldiers. The third time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army.
[DD] The Persians who were still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to
[DD] Nakhichevan. And so, from this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers
[DD] there were before the massacre.

[Koc] Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760

Good for you! You win the prize -- a free trip to Karabakh as an Azeri
soldier! Now, calculate the odds of you coming back after trying to de-populate
the area of Armenians!

[Koc] Corollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After
[Koc] all, they are not as innocent as the asala network claims.

Fact: I didn't notice any mention of Turks in Shirak, Van, or Trebizon in
      this seventh century story!

Fact: These places were filled with Armenians as of 1915.

Fact: By the end of 1916, after the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, there
      were no Armenians left in Shirak, Van, or Trebizon -- only Turks and
      Kurds! In fact, there were no Pontus Greeks left alive in Trebizon
      either!

Conclusion: Numbers don't lie in either case!


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*              AT THE STATE CAPITOL in support of               *
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was
to

(snip!)

I haven't been following this, so I'm sorry if somebody already mentioned
this, but you could grab a lemon (I think potatoes work too, but I'm not
sure), a strip of copper, and a strip of zinc (I think you can get the
metal in a hardware store or hobby shop, maybe??).  Stick the strips in
the lemon (so they don't touch!) and you'll get a measurable voltage (not
a lot, but, hey, it's a lemon :-)  ).  As I recall we had to hook
something like ten of these things to get an appreciable amount of
current, because of the mondo internal resistance, but if you just need a
demo you might get it to run a tiny fan or something! :-)


Still yelling at the telephone and the lawn mower? People will think
you're just some looney howling in the wires. Now any comment?

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
        "Document No: 76," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer
        No: 3, File No: 346, Section No: 427(1385), Contents No: 3, 52-53.
        (To Lt. Colonel Seyfi, General Headquarters, Second Section,
        Istanbul - Dr. Stephan Eshnanie)

'Neues Wiener Tagblatt' - Vienna, 'Pester Lloyd' 'Local Anzliger' - Berlin,
'Algemeen Handelsblat' - Amsterdam, 'Vakit' - Istanbul.

"I have been closely following for two weeks the withdrawal of Russians and
 Armenians from Turkish territories through Armenia. Although two months
 have elapsed since the clearing of the territories of Armenian gangs, I
 have been observing the evidence of the cruelties of the Armenians at
 almost every step. All the villages from Trabzon to Erzincan and from
 Erzincan to Erzurum are destroyed. Corpses of Turks brutally and cruelly
 slain are everywhere. According to accounts by those who were able to
 save their lives by escaping to mountains, the first horrible and fearful
 events begun when the Russian forces evacuated the places which were then
 taken over by Armenian gangs. The Russians usually treated the people
 well, but the people feared the intervention of the Armenians. Once these
 places had been taken over by the Armenians, however, the massacres begun.
 They clearly announced their intention of clearing what they called the
 Armenian and Kurdish land from the Turks and thus, solve the nationality
 problem. Today I had the opportunity to meet Austrian and German soldiers
 who had escaped from Russian prison camps and come from Kars and
 Alexander Paul (Gumru-Leninakan)...Russian officers tried to save the
 Turks and there were clashes between Russian officers and Armenian gangs.
 I am now in Erzurum, and what I see is terrible. Almost the whole city is
 destroyed. The smell of the corpses still fills the air. Although there are
 speculations that Armenian gangs murdered Austrian and German prisoners as
 well, I could not get the supporting evidence in this regard, but there is
 proof of murdering of Turkish prisoners of war."

                                                     Dr. Stephan Eshnanie

Serdar Argic


In 12-step programs (like Alcoholics Anonymous), one of the steps
involves acknowleding a "higher power".  AA and other 12-step abuse-
recovery programs are acknowledged as being among the most effective.

Unfortunately, as evidence for God, this can be dismissed by stating
that the same defect of personality makes substance abusers as makes
people 'religious', and the debunker could perhaps acknowledge that
being religious is a better crutch than being a drug addict, but
still maintain that both are escapism.  (And I suspect that there
are some atheists who would find the substance abuse preferable to
Christianity.)

I think that an essential problem with communication between Christ-
ians and atheists is that as Christians we necessarily see ourselves
as incomplete, and needing God (the 'God-shaped hole'), while atheists
necessarily see themselves as self-sufficient.  If the atheists are
right, Christians are guilty of being morally weak, and too cowardly
to stand up for themselves; if the Christians are right, the atheists
are guilty of considerable arrogance.  (I use the term atheist to
refer to a person who has a definite conviction that there is no God,
as opposed to one who does not know and/or does not care about God.)
==
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research,       | Pray that at the end of living,
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada       | Of philosophies and creeds,
                                              | God will find his people busy
Opinion, what opinions? Oh *these* opinions.  | Planting trees and sowing seeds.
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.          |
I knew I'd left them somewhere.               |  --Fred Kaan


   [...]

I think you posted your article 15 days too late :-)) April 1st is over.
I don't like nuclear powerplants but i think it's not fair to tell such
"storys" about them. OK ?
Let me try to explain what that tower is used to:
   -1st. Even the modernst nuclear powerplant is only a simple steam-engine.
         It has an hightech "boiler" but the rest is still verry verry
         conventional. And if you've already visited any condensation-
         powerstation you'l have seen the cooling towers too.
         If you look at any good book about thermophysics you'll find
         a chapter about the "CARNOT-process" which describes how to
         get energy from a temperature difference ! And that is the reason
         for cooling towers too !!! You only can get energy if you've an
         temperature gradient. That means that you have steam on the one
         side and need to cool down the steam 'till you get water
         again on the other side if you want to get aprox. 30% of the
         energy you (or better the uranium) brought into the water to
         let it boil. If you only have hot steam on the one and "cold"
         steam on the other side you'll loose much more of the energy.
         And so they cool down the steam to get at least the 30% of
         energy that carnot will give them.
         The cooling towers are for cooling the steam !
         The vapor you'll see is NOT the steam of the main core circulation,
         because that steam is radioactive ! The circulation is divided in
         AT LEAST 2 circuits connected about heat exchangers to prevent
         radioactive pollution of the environment !

   -2nd. OK, the main core IS hot, but even in the modernst HighTemperature-
         Reactors (HTR) they only run at ~800 deg celsius. This is still
         verry far away from uraniums melting point which is somewhere
         around 2000 deg. celsius ! But you'll have lot's of problems with
         the boiler's steel. That's because at this temperature the
         metal is attacked by steam and will corrode verry fast.
         This is only for BWR's. The new He cooled reactors have temperatures
         up to 1200 deg. celsius. But this is only experimental.

   -3rd. I personaly think that nuclear waste should be as low as ever
         possible because the dose you get will accumulate about the
         years. Today 1 mRem and next year 0.5 mRem won't be 0.75 mRem
         at all. It accumulates and even in 80 years you'll still have
         1.5 mRem. And i'm not interested in glowing in the night and
         getting children with 2 heads. This is my point of view.

Only my 0.02$ !

Christian Reisel

student of electronic sciences

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Hello, I am about to embark on a bible study on ACTS. I have online
bible software with me. I would like to know the the background of the
authors of its various topics articles and about the author of the
People's New Testament. I need to know how realible is the articles in
the Online Bible software. Specifically (for your convenience) I want to
know about the :

		1. Darby Translation ( I have never heard of this one)
		2. Young's Literal Translation (I have also never heard
of)
		3. The realiability of the Hebrew/Greek Lexicon
		4. The authors (from which denomination etc) of the
articles in the TOPICS modules.
		5. The realiability of the Treasury of Scripture
Knowlege ( as I have never heard of too)
		6. Who are the commentators, Scofield and B.W. Johnson
who wrote the Scofield Reference Bible and the People's New Testament respectively
		7. The realiability of the Strong numbers.

I will be most happy to receive a reply of any of you who knows about
the above. Also, please 'qualify' yourself so that I may know that I am
not receiving a 'rubbish' letter. I just want to make sure.

Wilfred Ling


Here's an easy question for someone who knows nothing about baseball...

   What city do the California Angels play out of?

--
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rauser@sfu.ca            "Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional
WNI                          outlaws - we do this for a living."


Your comment here is meant as a put down. It fails for several reasons :

1) You have edited out the context of the action under discussion.
2) I never brought the legal definition up. I use the English language
and not the legal dialect. The legal definition of fraud changes from
one country to another in any case. The context of the discussion is morality
of censorship.

You are extrapolating from the statement I made concerning a circumstance
in which such an act of censorship would be permissable to the Teel case.
If you had bothered to read the post instead of trying to prove how stupid you
thought me you would have done rather better. The mode of argument I was using
was a form of rhetoric. Argument by example, I describe a wide set of
circumstances in which an action is permisable and demonstrate that they
do not apply, thus the action is not permisable.

Obviously a company posting from a University adress would be squashed,  it
would be contrary to the internet comercial use.

Now you are clutching at straws. In the context of the discussion it was
the fact of association between the company and the post that was important.
The typeface etc is inconsequential.

If you are implying that I am lying I suggest you read Mark Holohan and Ulick
Staffords posts into soc.culture.british. If you are suggesting that
advocating murder is a trivial matter I would prefer that you state it
directly.

Certainly I oppose the right of Dr Sidiqui and the Ayatolah Khomenhi to
call for the murder of Salman Rushdie. Incitement to murder is not part
of what I consider legitimate freedom of speech.

That is irrelevant, the case is not the incremental cost but the facility
cost. If I decide that a company I am associated with should subscribe
to USEnet that usenet connection is the property of the company. It is
quite legitimate for a company to have a political or other agenda and
regulate the use of its property in accordance with its policy. For example
if a Microsoft employee were to post "Windows NT is crap don't buy it"
from a Microsoft machine I would consider it reasonable for Microsoft to
sack that employee. In the same way if a company decides that it has
political objectives it might wish to regulate postings in a political
manner. This is no worse than Rupert Murdoch using his papers as a political
platform for his views.

ah yes you did not quote them, merely refered to them.

Your article consisted of a reference to the first ammendment, your signature
and pretty well damn all else.

Are you refering to the initial hearings on an injunction or the judgments
on the substantive case?

The initial hearings that the government won were judged on the not unresonable
judgment that assertion by the government that the national interest might be
harmed would be grounds for prior restraint. The second set of hearings on the
substance judged that the government had no case and that the official secrets
act could not be used to suppress information in thwe public domain already.
The part that they won was over the copyright issue which is rather separate.

Here again the issue of censorship is rather different in the case that
information is divulged on the understanding that it will not be communicated
to third parties. The first ammendment certainly does not apply in this
case as the numerous prosecutions of spies in the US proves.

The crux of the Spycatcher affair was extrateritoriality of British law.
The censorship aspect of it arose as a result of the government's
ludicrous attempts to prevent summary of the case in the book.

Funny I saw that as a rejection of an assertion that you had made. Of course in
rejecting an assertion I have to make a contrary assertion, since this assertion
is unprovable I left it at that.

So far I have not seen you demonstrate a command of the contrary opinion to your
own. You are attacking my anti-censorship view because I dare to accept the
validity of some pro-censorship arguments while rejecting their conclusions.
Plus I am not an absolutist. I have this funny idea that the solution to this
problem was not decided in 1789 by a group of white male gentry in secret
session and sumarized in a single line. Furthermore I don't think that the
issues are half as simple as you imply.

I don't think that you have geered your discourse to any audience save that
of proving that you are the only person wearing a white hat.


Omigod, it's an operationalist! Sorry, Jim, but the idea that a theory
explaining a myriad of distinctly different observations is merely a
"model" is more than sensible people can accept -- your phobia about
objective reality notwithstanding.
--
Mark Pundurs


I produced an error last week about CHORION:

I abhor publishing trash (I abhor it of myself even more than I do from
others, but since I do not present myself as an authority on the subject, I do
not feel dishonest, though I do openly admit ignorance and incompetence in
this example).  Thus I felt honor bound to do a better set of research
specifically on the word.  First it should be noted that Greek grammar is not
as tough as I first assumed (it is not nontrivial by any means, and I still am
not competent with it, but it is not as opaque as I had thought).  It turns
out that while the Index for the Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich "Greek Lexicon" renders
each verse in order, each word within a verse is put in greek alphabetical
order.  Thus while the the meaning of the verse is decipherable, the syntax is
far from clear.  On the other hand, a Greek-English Intralinear Bible makes
things a lot more comprehendable.  And yes, the word for field in Acts 1:18 is
indeed "chorion."

Now I've checked several Greek-English lexicons:

	"Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament," Louw and Nida
	"Robinson's Greek and English Lexicon of the New Testament"
	"Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament," Grimm
	"Word study Concordance," Tynsdale
	"A Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament and other
	 early Christian Writings," Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich
	"The New Analytical Greek Lexicon," Perschbacher

In each case the meaning of the word Chorion was given variously as:

	A space, place, region, district, field, area, "country place,"
	land, farm, estate, "a bit of tillage", and similar meanings.

Nowhere do any of these books mention anything about "grave." As some of these
books go into great detail, I would be very surprised to find that these books
are all inadequate and Mr Archer is the only competent scholar in Greek.  I
think it more likely that Mr Archer's investigations into "contradictions" to
be once again, as your friend said it, "lacking in substance," and thus Archer
is again shown worthless as an expert witness (By the way Mr DeCenso, I would
have honorably presented my results on this matter, even if I had found them
to support Mr Archer's contentions).

By the way, among these lexicons, (eg: Robinson's) is the definition of
"agros," the word used in Matthew 27 to describe the field bought.  The word
"agros" is defined as "a field in the country." Chorion is specifically noted
as a synonym to agros.  This is significant, as it is evidence of how silly
Bullinger's exegisis was, which stated that the word for "field" in Matthew
(ie: agros) is different from the word for "field" in Acts (ie: chorion), and
thus we must be talking about two different fields (Of course you already
admit how stupid Bullinger's exegisis is, but this was a small serendipity
which drives the point home).

So as of now, unless Mr DeCenso show compelling reasons to believe otherwise
(eg: a reputable scholar with reputable references), I consider this
particular issue closed.  See Mr DeCenso, now you can go on to answer
questions about the denials of Peter, the day of the Crucifixion, Tyre, and
the fact that the author of Matthew quoted from the wrong prophet in
discussing the "Potter's Field."

				Later,

				Dave Butler


Reading newspapers to learn about this kind of stuff is not the best idea in
the world.  Newspaper reporters are notoriously ignorant on the subject of
religion, and are prone to exaggeration in the interests of having a "real"
story (that is, a bigger headline).

Let's back up to 1935.  At this point, we have the Masoretic text, the
various targums (translations/commentaries in aramaic, etc.), and the
Septuagint, the ancient greek translation.  The Masoretic text is the
standard Jewish text and essentially does not vary.  In some places it has
obvious corruptions, all of which are copied faithfully from copy to copy.
These passages in the past were interpreted by reference to the targums and
to the Septuagint.

Now, the septuagint differs from the masoretic text in two particulars:
first, it includes additional texts, and second, in some passages there are
variant readings from the masoretic text (in addition to "fixing"/predating
the various corrupted passages).  It must be emphasized that, to the best of
my knowledge, these variations are only signifcant to bible scholars, and
have little theological import.

The dead sea scroll materials add to this an ancient *copy* of almost all of
Isaiah and fragments of various sizes of almost all other OT books.  There
is also an abundance of other material, but as far as I know, there is no
sign there of any hebrew antecdent to the apocrypha (the extra texts in the
septuagint).  As far as analysis has proceeded, there are also variations
between the DSS texts and the masoretic versions.  These tend to reflect the
septuagint, where the latter isn't obviously in error.  Again, though, the
differences (thus far) are not significant theologically.  There is this big
expectation that there are great theological surprises lurking in the
material, but so far this hasn't happened.

The DSS *are* important because there is almost no textual tradition in the
OT, unlike for the NT.


No, it is independent of the speedometer. The gun processes two doppler
returns--the speed of the car relative to the pavement and the speed
of the target, taking the difference between the two. Some guns with
a "moving mode" actually have a split beam with one beam aimed
preferentially at the pavement.

Car and Driver had a good article on traffic radar, but it was back in
1985. I used its contents and references to defend myself against a bogus
radar-measured ticket. It detailed "moving mode," which is easier to
defend against because of the increased amount of variables.

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Just a few cheap shots a Christianity:

Riddle: What is the shortest street in Jerusalem?
Answer: The Street of the Righteous Poles.

Limrick:

There was an archeologist Thostle
Who found an amazing fossil
By the way it was bent
And the knot it the end
'twas the penis of Paul the Apostle.

Jingle:
Christianity hits the spot
Twelve Apostles thats a lot
Jesus Christ and a Virgin too
Christianity's the faith for you
(with apologies to Pepsi Cola and its famous jingle)

Riddle:
How many Christians does it take to save a light bulb.
Answer: None, only Jesus can save.

Aphorism:
Jesus Saves
Moses Invests

Proof that Jesus was Jewish:
1. He lived at home till he was 33
2. He went into his fathers business
3. He thought he mother was a virgin
4. His mother thought he was God.

QED.

So long you all

Bob Kolker
"I would rather spend eternity in Hell with interesting people
than eternity in Heaven with Christians"


: Could someone direct me to information on SCSI performance for each Mac?
: (Max throughput, etc.)

Max thruput on a Centris or Quadra is about 3.3 MB/sec.
Max thruput on IIci or IIfx or equivalent is about 1.4 MB/Sec
Max thruput on slower machines is slower.


What causes those little brown spots on older people's hands? Are they
called "liver spots" because they're sort of liver-colored, or do they
indicate some actual liver dysfunction?


I once thought it would be easiest fitting a sine to the times. But not.
This gave  discrepancy of upto six minutes. If you fit a sine series
you'll get a very good fit after just three or four terms though. This
presumably has to do with the eccentricity of the Earths orbit.


Really?  What makes you think the Islanders have a better shot?  They
couldn't even beat the Whalers in two games!

(Well, since you're a Pens fans the whole question is moot.  I think
the teams most likely to beat the Pens are the Bruins, Nordiques, and
Blackhawks but I don't think they can really do it.  :-))


1/64th or 63/64th?

I must congratulate your analytical and excellent
reportage about  Diana. From  the writings  of tye
biographers  you  quoted,  I can  perceive,  maybe
chauvinistically,  the  remnants of  her  Armenian
genes. Even  though she  is only  1/64th Armenian,
she   seems   to   have   many   of   the   strong
characteristics  of Armenian  women. Her  Armenian
ancestry is  traced to Eliza Kewark  (an Armenian
from  India), who  married  the Scottish  merchant
Thedore Forbes.  From the union was  born Kathleen
Scott  Forbes,  who  married  James  Crombie  from
Aberdeen. They  had a  daughter Jane,  who married
David  Littlejohn.  Their  daughter  Ruth  married
William Gill. Ruth Silvia Gill, the grandmother of
Lady  Diana,   married  Lord  Fermoy,   and  their
daughter, Frances  Ruth Burke Roache,  married the
eight Earl of Spencer, who  was the father of Lady
Diana. It is noteworthy  that Eliza Kewark was also
referred  to as  Mrs. Forbesian  (a characteristic
Armenian  surname  ending).  An  Armenian-Scottish
gene mix is dynamite.

Levon K. Topuzian
Assistant Professor
Northwestern University
Skoie, Illinois.

TIME, December 21, 1992 'Letters'

You have set up straw horses and knocked them down. I'm not impressed.
Anyway, the Armenians tore apart the Ottoman Empire's eastern provinces,
massacred 2.5 million defenseless Turkish women, children and elderly
people, burned thousands of Turkish and Kurdish villages and exterminated
the entire Turkish population of the Armenian dictatorship between
1914-1920. Such outrageous sleight of hand that is still employed today
in Armenia brings a depth and verification to the Turkish genocide
that is hard to match. A hundred years ago Armenians again thought
they could get whatever they wanted through sheer terror like the
Russian anarchists that they accepted as role models. Several Armenian
terror groups like ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle
resorted to the same tactics in the 1980s, butchering scores of innocent
Turks and their families in the United States and Europe. It seems that
they are doing it again, at a different scale, in fascist x-Soviet Armenia
today.

Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian
armies in 1914, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume
II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."
(London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316.

"In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city
 of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population,
 closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan
 on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized
 and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during
 the next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the
 southern side of the lake."

"Knowing their numbers would never justify their territorial ambitions,
 Armenians looked to Russia and Europe for the fulfillment of their aims.
 Armenian treachery in this regard culminated at the beginning of the First
 World War with the decision of the revolutionary organizations to refuse
 to serve their state, the Ottoman Empire, and to assist instead other
 invading Russian armies. Their hope was their participation in the Russian
 success would be rewarded with an independent Armenian state carved out of
 Ottoman territories. Armenian political leaders, army officers, and common
 soldiers began deserting in droves."

"With the Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia in 1914 at the beginning of
 World War I, the degree of Armenian collaboration with the Ottoman's enemy
 increased drastically. Ottoman supply lines were cut by guerilla attacks,
 Armenian revolutionaries armed Armenian civil populations, who in turn
 massacred the Muslim population of the province of Van in anticipation of
 expected arrival of the invading Russian armies."

Serdar Argic


I recently read that during Bill Clinton's campaign, he stated
that if elected he would immediately recognize Jerusalem as
Israel's capital.  According to the article, Mr. Clinton
reaffirmed this after winning the presidency.  However,
during recent talks with President Mubarak, Secretary of
State Christopher stated that "the status of Jerusalem
will be a final matter of discussion between the parties".

Now I don't want to start a big discussion over the status
of Jerusalem.  All I want to know is if anyone can
authenticate Mr. Clinton's statements with dates, places, etc.

Thank you.


Just a pointer to the article in the current Science News article
on Federal R&D funding.

Very briefly, all R&D is being shifted to gaining current
competitive advantage from things like military and other work that
does not have as much commercial utility.


Two follow up's to Mark's last posting:

	1.  As far as current investigations, the Church recently declared the
	    crying statue and corresponding messages from Mary at Akita,
	    Japan as approved (I found this out about a month ago.)

	2.  Again in the proof department, start with the appearances of Mary
	    at Fatima.  Among other things, there were pictures taken of the
	    "miracle of the sun" that appeared in some major American newspaper
	    (The New York Times, I believe) as well as most of the major
	    European newspapers.

	    I could talk (or post) for hours on this topic, but...
		(I have a thesis to write).
						God Bless,
							- Mike Walker


Does your Stealth 24 have a row of DIP switches on the back plane?

If so, you have the older Revision A board and the winmark results
are absolutely normal. The later Revision B board benchmarks at 13
to 15 million winmarks (at least mine does in 486DX-50 toy).


	My blood pressure soars, my heart pounds, and I can't get to sleep
for the life of me... feels about like I just drank 8 cups of coffee.

	I avoid it, and beet sugar, flavor enhancers, beet powder, and
whatever other names it may go under. Basicaly I read the ingredients, and
if I don't know what they all are, I don't buy the product.

	MSG sensitivity is definately *real*.

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 richard@tis.com				those of my company...


# #Unfortunately, homosexuals don't believe in this concept of freedom.
# #They believe that they have a right to FORCE people to hire them,
# #rent to them, and do business with them, regardless of the feelings
# #or beliefs of the other person.
#
# Allow me to point out that Clayton is once again unfairly lumping an
# entire class of people, as if they all have one will.  Having completely
# dived into the abyss of believing that there are no queers in the world
# who think differently from the child-molestation-advocating minority on
# soc.motss, he doesn't even notice that he's starting a sentence with
# "They believe" when the referent of that "they" is millions of people.
# "...so few as to be irrelevant..."

If you don't want to be lumped together as a group, stop insisting
on being treated as a member of a group.

# # Force people to hire?  No.  Require people to give them a fair
# # look?  Yes.
#
# #You give them a fair look.  You decide that you don't want to hire
# #the guy wearing the NAMBLA T-shirt.  He files a lawsuit.  You lose.
# #Yes, such laws force you to hire homosexuals.
#
# Pedophiles, as well?

Sexual orientation is not defined by the anti-discrimination law
that was passed last year.  Pedophilia isn't a sexual orientation?

# And, Cramer, let me describe how you'd have it, and see if this is
# accurate.  I apply for a job at a computer company.  They see I'm
# wearing some article of homosexual adornment, I dunno, maybe a
# "Silence = Death" pin or something.  They turn me down because of
# that.  I can't do a darned thing and have to go look somewhere else.
# Am I correct in assuming that you wholeheartedly approve of the
# company's actions, or at least that you wholeheartedly support their
# right to take that action?

I wholeheartedly support their right to take this action.  I wouldn't
do it myself, unless it was something like the NAMBLA T-shirt.

# How about:  a black man applies for a job at a bank.  The bank decides,
# based on statistics, a black person would be more likely to steal
# money, and denies the man the job.  Would you support the bank's right
# to this freedom?  If not, explain how this differs.

I support their right to do so (just like I support your right to
engage in sodomy with consenting adults), but I think they are doing
something wrong.  I wouldn't do business with such a bank.

# Clayton has repeatedly said that California's statutes classify
# pedophilia as a sexual orientation, and that discriminating on the
# basis of sexual orientation is illegal.
#
# If true, I'm frankly amazed.  But I don't trust Clayton to give me
# the whole story.  Would someone clarify for me whether this is true,
# what sort of discrimination Clayton's talking about (jobs? housing?
# hate crimes?), and whether the effect of the law is really that
# a daycare has to hire an admitted pedophile.
# --
#  Jamie McCarthy		Internet: k044477@kzoo.edu	AppleLink: j.mccarthy

Here's the law that was passed and signed by the governor:

     The people of the State of California do enact as follows:

 1       SECTION 1.  The purpose of this act is to codify
 2  existing case law as determined in Gay Law Students v.
 3  Pacific Telephone and Telegraph, 24 Cal. 3d 458 (1979)
 4  and Soroka v. Dayton Hudson Corp., 235 Cal. App. 3d 654
 5  (1991) prohibiting discrimination based on sexual
 6  orientation.
 7       SEC. 2.  Section 1102. is added to the Labor Code, to
 8  read:
 9       1102.1.  (a) Sections 1101 and 1102 prohibit
10  discrimination or disparate treatment in any of the terms
11  and conditions of employment based on actual or
12  perceived sexual orientation.
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

13       (b)  This section shall not apply to a religious
14  association or corporation not organized for private
15  profit, whether incorporated as a religious or public
16  benefit corporation.


AMD recent won the appeal against Intel to use their Microcode, so they
should be putting out real 486 chips in the near future.