In today's Israeline posting, at the end (an afterthought?), I read:

While I applaud investing of money in Yehuda, Shomron, v'Chevel-Azza,
in order to create jobs for their residents, I find it deplorable that
this has never been an active policy of any Israeli administration
since 1967, *with regard to their Jewish residents*. Past governments
found funds to subsidize cheap (read: affordable) housing and the
requisite infrastructure, but where was the investment for creating
industry (which would have generated income *and* jobs)?

After 26 years, Yehuda and Shomron remain barren, bereft of even
middle-sized industries, and the Jewish settlements are sterile
"bedroom communities", havens for (in the main) Israelis (both
secular *and* religious) who work in Tel-Aviv or Jerusalem but
cannot afford to live in either city or their surrounding suburbs.

There's an old saying: "bli giboosh, ayn kivoosh" -- just living there
wasn't enough, we had to *really* settle it. But instead, we "settled"
for Potemkin villages, and now we are paying the price (and doing
for others what we should have done for ourselves).


It's all my fault.
I am in violation of one of my own rules:
"Avoid FollowingUp to a Barf posting."

Those damned, spiking Israelists, right, Barfling?

"Trained Seals"?  You mean the ones that flap their flippers making
"Arf, Arf!  Arf, Arf!" sounds?

In your own diseased mind, you now seem to believe that tax exemption
is equivalent to government funding.  Holy Shit, Batman!  The US
government is now one of the major supporters of the Catholic Church
--  in violation of the rules of separation of Church and State!

Quick, Bill!  Commandeer all the churches and give them to the People!
Or does your anti-logic only apply to the mosques belonging to what
you have described as "Ragheads" or perhaps the synagogues of those
you have characterized as "Hymies"?


Could some kind soul tell me the advance timing/revs for a 1981 xs1100 special
(bought in Canada).


I prefer a manual to an automatic as it should be.  I believe that automatics
should only be manufactured for people with physical disabilities who otherwise
would not be able to drive.  Automatic transmissions allow drivers to be lazy.
More time is available to fiddle with the radio or to look at the scenery
instead of concentrating on the road.  The manual transmission keeps the drive
always doing something, granted it isn't a large movement.  Plus, driving should
be FUN!  Driving a manual is fun, driving an automatic is a chore.
	In the case of shift speed, automatics can be made to shift far faster
that any human could move a stick.  If I was racing, I'd want and automatic.  For
normal driving go with the manual.


OK, you guys stirred up my childhood memories, so I went and did
some research on the final month or so of the 1964 season. It turns
out that my recollections were pretty darn accurate, at least as
far as the Phillies record goes. On September 1 1964 this was the
top of the N.L. standings:

                 W     L    GB
Philadelphia    79    51    -
Cincinnati      74    57    5 1/2
St. Louis       72    59    7 1/2
San Francisco   73    60    7 1/2

This is a game-by-game description of the remainder of the Phillies'
season:

Date  Score Opponent        Lead      Pitcher (starting and winner/loser)
9/1   4-3   Houston         5 1/2     Bunning (15-4)
9/2   2-1   Houston         5 1/2     Short (15-7)
9/3   0-6   Houston         5 1/2     Bennett (9-12)
9/4   5-3   San Francisco   6 1/2     Mahaffey; Baldschun (6-5)
9/5   ??Win San Francisco   6 1/2     Bunning (16-4)
9/6   3-4   San Francisco   5 1/2     Short; Baldschun (6-6)
9/7   5-1   Los Angeles               Bennett (10-12)
      1-3   Los Angeles     6 1/2     Wise (5-3)
9/8   2-3   Los Angeles     6         Mahaffey (12-7)
9/9 5-10/11 St. Louis       5         Bunning; Baldschun (6-7)
            (Cardinals take over 2nd place from Cincinnati)
9/10  5-1   St. Louis       6         Short (16-7)
9/11  1-0   San Francisco   6         Bennett (11-12)
9/12  1-9   San Francisco   6         Mahaffey (12-8)
            (Giants move into a tie for 2nd with St. Louis)
9/13 4-1/10 San Francisco   6         Bunning (17-4)
            (Cardinals back in sole possesion of 2nd place)
9/14  4-1   Houston         6 1/2     Short (17-7)
9/15  1-0   Houston         6         Bennett (12-12)
9/16  5-6   Houston         6         Bunning (17-5)
9/17  4-3   Los Angeles     6 1/2     Wise; Schantz (2-4)
9/18  3-4   Los Angeles     6         Short; Baldschun (6-8)
9/19 3-4/16 Los Angeles     5 1/2     Bennett; Baldschun (6-9)
9/20  3-2   Los Angeles     6 1/2     Bunning (18-5)
            (Reds move back into tie for 2nd with Cardinals)

Well so far so good for the Phillies. But now it all falls apart ...

9/21  0-1   Cincinnati      5 1/2     Mahaffey (12-9)
            (Reds take sole possesion of 2nd place)
9/22  2-9   Cincinnati      4 1/2     Short (17-8)
9/23  4-6   Cincinnati      3 1/2     Bennett (12-13)
9/24  3-5   Milwaukee       3         Bunning (18-6)
9/25 5-7/12 Milwaukee       1 1/2     Short; Boozer (3-4)
            (Cards now 2 1/2 back in 3rd, Giants 3 1/2 in 4th)
9/26  4-6   Milwaukee         1/2     Mahaffey; Schantz (2-5)
9/27  8-14  Milwaukee      -1         Bunning (18-7)
            (Phils lose 7 1/2 games in 7 days; Reds take over 1st,
             Cardinals 1 1/2 back in 3rd)
9/28  1-5   St. Louis      -1 1/2     Short(17-9)
            (Cardinals take over 2nd place, Phils drop to 3rd)
9/29  2-4   St. Louis      -1 1/2     Bennett (12-14)
            (Reds and Cardinals now tied for 1st)
9/30  5-8   St. Louis      -2 1/2     Bunning (18-8)
            (Cardinals take 1/2 game lead over Reds)
10/1  4-3   Cincinnati     -1 1/2     Short; Roebuck (5-3)
            (Phillies halt 10-game losing streak; Cards lead Reds by 1/2 game)
10/2  Did not play; Cards lose to Mets, Reds tied for 1st, Phils 1 game back
10/3  10-0  Cincinnati     -1         Bunning (19-8)
            (Cards beat Mets, take first by 1 from Reds and Phillies)

Whew! what a finish! And the final standings were:

                 W     L    GB
St. Louis       93    69    -
Philadelphia    92    70    1
Cincinnati      92    70    1
San Francisco   90    72    3

Now it doesn't appear to me that Phillies pitchers Bunning and Short
were really overused, at least by the four-man rotation standard of
the day, until well along into the 10-game losing streak, at which
time Mauch was probably desperate for a win at any cost because the
Phillies substantial lead had evaporated. The way they were used at
that time may have made the problem worse, although Bunning had one
of his sharpest games of the year in the final day 10-0 shutout of
the Reds that cost the Reds a share of the pennant. Bunning pitched
a complete game six-hitter, striking out five and walking one. It
would be inetersting to see, though, how the total innings for the
year for Bunning and Short stacks up against the rest of the league.
Also notice that the Phillies played every day from at least September 1
through October 1; while they didn't play substantially more games than
the other teams, the other teams each had a couple days off during that
stretch.


I try to unsubscribe from this group by sending an email but that doesn't work.

Could some one tell me the listserv address and command for me to unsubcribe ?

I am leaving this Friday (30th April 93) and the mail box will overflow
soon after that.

Thanks

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McMaster University
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Gosh, I wish people would read the postings that they are 'following up' to.

The original poster (W G Wright) posted an item saying that he had bought a new
wizz-bang Laser Printer from Apple (a Select 300 I think) which can print
GrayScale. He then said that he CANNOT PRINT GRAYSCALE from his SE computer
(and also that all the 'experts' he has dealt with agree that it is not
possible).

This is the one major bugbear about doing a 3rd party SE upgrade (compared to
Apple's SE to SE/30 upgrade): you will never be able to run Color Quickdraw. It
is Color Quickdraw that controls Color AND Grayscale.

SEs CAN print some COLOUR: this is because Quickdraw - the original, non-colour
version, has the right hooks for eight colours. Some of you will remember the
'SCSIgraph' solution to getting a colour screen for your SE (I think that it
gave you sixteen colours by dithering or something).

There is no reason that Apple couldn't release software patches for older
computers (there are lots of Mac Pluses, Classics and SEs that have been
upgraded to 68020 and 68030 processors which should be perfectly able to deal
with Color Quickdraw) - but they wont, and 3rd parties are having a difficult
time in duplicating the Mac's ROMs (i.e. Nutek et al.).

Just one Caveat: I would have thought that if you were printing a POSTSCRIPT
Grayscale image onto a POSTSCRIPT Grayscale printer, that you would be able to
do so, whatever Mac you were using. (And I am pretty sure that the Select 300
is NOT a POSTSCRIPT printer [? correct me if I'm wrong?]).


...

    Sounds just like a racial theory that Hitler outlined in Mein Kampf.

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Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.


####   ####
                         #     ###    #
                        #   1   2     3 #
     Facing           #                  #
Female Plug End        #  4       5   6   #
                        #               #
                         #            #
                         #  7     8  #
                         #           #
                         #############

Anyone Recognize this?  It's my little layout of a eight pin female plug
connector used for many mac peripherals.

#####Problem########Problem#########Problem########
  Printer (cheap) cables using this configuration switch a couple of
pins between one end and the other.  I want to use cheap cables for an
A-B box.  Anyone know which pins get reversed so I can do some
creative editing on the internals of my box?  Any help would be
greatly appreciated.


: My 9 yr old son has signed up to do a science report on batteries.  I was
: wondering if anyone could provide me with some information as to how to
: construct a home-built battery.  In my grade school days, I remember seeing
: the 'ice cube tray' version, but I don't remember what to use as a good
: electrolyte or what the easily obtainable metals were.
:
: Thank you in advance.

I remember watching a whole "Mr. Wizzard" program on this subject when
I was a kid.  The battery constructed on the program which made the
biggest impression on me, and generated the most power, was made using
a galvanized bucket (for the zinc) and a copper toilet tank float.  The
electrolyte was sauerkraut!


I was following an example of the LH the other day, and noticed the fit
between the tunk lid and the rear bumper.   The gap was quite small on
the left side, but much larger on the right.  Blech!!!


For some reason I never saw the original post on this thread, but if you are
looking for fast polygon routines on vga on a PC, you really can't go past
the mode X stuff from Dr Dobbs. This code is all p.domain (as far as I know),
and in the original articles, the routines were all presented as dumb vga
routines, and then optimised to modeX with some interesting discussion along
the way.
If you are interested, I could find out more details of the issues in question,
(I have them at home).


...
...

Some other owners on the ford-probe@world.std.com mailing list have commented
about this problem, but I haven't seen it happen on my 3 month old
'93 Probe GT.  I think this may be something that Ford has corrected since
the initial batch of cars.  Also, someone said that Ford has issued a
service bulletin to inform dealers about how to correct this problem, so you
may be able to get your dealer to fix it.

Haven't seen any of these problems, nor have I seen these mentioned on the
mailing list, so these might just be having bad luck with these.

Definitely!

No problems like these either.  I haven't been able to find any obvious
places where they screwed up.

Hmmm!  I got two keys with my car.  Something tells me you got stiffed by
your dealer on this.  (Actually, if you count the "credit card" key that
came in the owner's binder, I got 3 keys, but since the credit card key
doesn't have any teeth cut in it yet, I guess I won't count it. :-))

The latter is probably because of the air bag.  It's pretty much takes up
all the space where you'd expect to find the horn.

Speaking of the horn, I was surprised to find that the Probe comes with one
of those nice 'merican sounding horns instead of the Japanese sounding kind.
The previous Probes had Japanese horns.

Yeah, not very badly, but enough to be annoying sometimes.

I agree strongly with all of the above, especially about the engine.  The
interior is very, very nice too.  Very pleasing to the eye, and ergonomically
sound.

...

Yes, this car's stiff suspension isn't for everyone.  I personally like it,
but if you find it a little harsh but otherwise like the car, I'd strongly
suggest looking into the MX-6.

The problem with the back seat is that there's no leg room.  Plenty of
head room, though.  Shorter people fit back there without any complaints,
so long as the seat they are sitting behind is pulled forward a bit to
give them a place to put their feet.

The power moonroof can greatly improve the ventilation throughout the car. :-)
I really enjoy the moonroof, by the way, but then I've always been a sucker
for open air driving.  No leakage problems or anything like that...yet!

I haven't heard about this one.  I know that some of the very early Probes
('89 and maybe '90) had problems with prematurely rusting mufflers (which
Ford will replace at no charge), but I haven't heard about anything like
this concerning the '93 Probes.

I haven't had any real trouble with this car outside of a CV joint boot
that was leaking, but the dealer took care of that promptly, and even
gave me a free rental car for the day and a half that I was without my
car.  I was quite happy with the way they handled...especially considering
that I was expecting the worst from them!

From what I've heard, it sounds like Ford/Mazda had some QC problems with
the Probe (and probably MX-6) when they first went into production, but
I think these problems have mostly been corrected at this point.  That's
almost always to be expected with a completely new car like this, though.

Hope this helps,

-chuck-


peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) writes...

	Yes there is.  Not common for CB.  The pattern is different (sort of
	a cloverleaf, with four main lobes.

	Use of anything under 1/4 wave for transmitting is very uncommon.  (The
	usual "rubber duck" uses a coil to fool itself into looking like a
	quarter wave.
	I reccomend the ARRL Antenna Handbook, or a good basic book.


--
73, Tom
================================================================================
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(604)753-3245, Loc 2230  Fax:755-8742  Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle
Snail mail to:  Site Q4, C2.   RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9


This talk about the Phillies winning the NL East is scary.  VERY
scary!  Don't get me wrong, Im a Phillies fan but as late as last
year they looked helpless.  The funny thing was they did have a lot
of injuries in '92 spring training that basically killed their
chances.  Of course, don't forget the Dykstra wrist injury in the
first or second game?


On March 21, 1993 Roger Maynard wrote (in reply to an article by Graham
Hudson):

This was <1993Mar21.223936.6192@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, for anybody who
would like to check.

He went on (in another article) to say [paraphrased]

*NOW*, however, in article <1993Apr12.013939.23016@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>

 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So, Roger, what exactly *is* playoff hockey all about?  Or is it a convenient
phrase to use in certain circumstances only?


I do (did) contribute to the ARF mortgage fund but when interest
rates plumetted, I just paid it off.

The problem is, I couldn't convince Congress to move my home to
a nicer location on Federal land.

BTW, even though the building is alleged to be funded by tax exempt
private funds, the maintainence and operating costs will be borne by
taxpayers forever.

Would anyone like to guess how much that will come to and tell us why
this point is never mentioned?


Can somebody help me out there? I have just purchased Win 3.1 and I just
can't get DOS apps (text mode apps) to run in a window on their own. I've
tried mucking around with the PIF settings etc, but to no avail. What am
I doing wrong? (I didn't get this problem under v3.0).

Thanks in advance ...


On sunsite.unc.edu in pub/multimedia/utilities/unix find
 mpeg_play-2.0.tar.Z.

I find for mono it works best as mpeg_play -dither threshold
   though you can use            mpeg_play -dither mono

Face it, this is not be the best viewing situation.

Also someone has made a patch for mpeg_play that gives two more mono
modes  (mono2 and halftone).

They are by jan@pandonia.canberra.edu.au (Jan Newmarch).
And the patch can be found on csc.canberra.edu.au (137.92.1.1) under
/pub/motif/mpeg2.0.mono.patch.


I'm interested in find out what is involved in processing pairs of
stereo photographs.  I have black-and-white photos and would like
to obtain surface contours.

I'd prefer to do the processing on an SGI, but would be interested
in hearing what software/hardware is used for this type of
image processing.

Please email and/or post to comp.sys.sgi.graphics your responses.

Thanks,


Actually, it is simple.

A person P has committed a crime C in country X if P was within the borders
of X at the time when C was committed.  It doesn't matter if the physical
manifestation of C is outside X.

For instance, if I hack into NASA's Ames Research Lab and delete all their
files, I have committed a crime in the United Kingdom.  If the US authorities
wish to prosecute me under US law rather than UK law, they have no automatic
right to do so.

This is why the net authorities in the US tried to put pressure on some sites
in Holland.  Holland had no anti-cracking legislation, and so it was viewed
as a "hacker haven" by some US system administrators.

Similarly, a company called Red Hot Television is broadcasting pornographic
material which can be received in Britain.  If they were broadcasting in
Britain, they would be committing a crime.  But they are not, they are
broadcasting from Denmark, so the British Government is powerless to do
anything about it, in spite of the apparent law-breaking.

Of course, I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong.  More confusingly, I could
be right in some countries but not in others...


I am looking for a working docking deck (deck that goes on back of
camera) for an old JVC GX-S700 Tube video camera.  Any format is
acceptable.  Please send me a message if you even know anything about decks
for the GX-S700.  Also interested in any video equipment for sale,
professional or consumer.  Thank you.

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bbates@pro-freedom.van.wa.us   -==-   Pro-Freedom BBS - (206) 694-3276


OFM responds to a query about reference works:

   [Aside from a commentary, you might also want to consider an
   introduction.  These are books intended for use in undergraduate Bible
   courses.  They give historical background, discussion of literary
   styles, etc.  And generally they have good bibligraphies for further
   reading.  I typically recommend Kee, Froehlich and Young's NT
   introduction...

Two other Intros to consider:

The "Introduction" by Ku:mmel is a translation of a strandard NT text.
The references are slightly dated and the style is somewhat dense, but
the book contains a wealth of information.

Perrin and Duling's Intro is also very good.  It's somewhat more
modern than Ku:mmel's but not quite so densely packed.  Also the
authors tend to go through the books of the NT in the historical order
of composition; this gives a very useful perspective on the
development of the NT.

   ... There are also some good one-volume commentaries.  ... Probably the
   best recommendation these days would be Harper's Bible Commentary.

A slight dissent: I think the Harper's is "OK" but not great.  One
particular problem I have is that it tends to be pretty skimpy on
bibliographic material.  My feeling is that it is OK for quick
look-ups, but not real useful for study in depth (e.g. I keep a copy
in my office at work).

   ... (I think there may be a couple of books with this title...

So far as I know there is the only one book with this exact title
(James L Mays, general editor, Harper and ROw, 1988) although I think
I recall a (older) series under the name "Harper Commentaries".  Also
there's a separate Harper's Bible Dictionary (most of my comments on
the HC also apply to the HBD.)

My favorite one-volume commentary is the "New Jerome Biblical
Commentary".  The NJBC is rather Catholic in focus and somewhat biased
towards the NT.  (The reader can decide for her- or himself whether
these are pluses or minuses.)  In any case the scholarship is by and
large excellent.

NOTE: The NJBC is a completely reworked, updated version of the
"Jerome Biblical Commentary", copies of which can still be found on
sale.


OpenGL is a graphics programming library and as such is a great, portable
interface for the development of interactive 3D graphics applications. It
is not, however, an indicator of performance, as that will vary strongly
from machine to machine and vendor to vendor.  SGI is committed to high
performance interactive graphics systems and software tools, so OpenGL
means that you can port easily from SGI to other platforms, there is no
guarantee that your performance would be comparable.

If your sales representative truly mislead you, then you should have a
valid grievance against us which you should carry up to your local SGI
sales management team. Feel free to contact the local branch manager...we
understand that repeat sales come from satisfied customers, so give it a
shot.

As one of the previous posts stated, the Personal IRIS was introduced in
1988 and grew to include the 4D/20, 4D/25, 4D/30 and 4D/35 as clock rates
sped up over time. As a rule of thumb, SGI platforms live for about 4-5
years. This was true of the motorola-based 3000 series ('85-'89), the PI
('88-'93), the Professional Series (the early 4D's - '86-'90), the Power
Series parallel systems ('88-'93). Individual CPU subsystems running at a
particular clock rate usually live for about 2 years. New graphics
architectures at the high end (GT, VGX, RealityEngine) are released every
18 months to 2 years.

These are the facts of life.  If we look at these machines, they become
almost archaic after four years, and we have to come out with a new
platform (like Indigo, Onyx, Challenge) which has higher bus bandwidths,
faster CPUs, faster graphics and I/O, and larger disk capacities. If we
don't, we become uncompetitive.

From the user perspective, you have to buy a machine that meets your
current needs and makes economic sense today.  You can't wait to buy, but
if you need a guaranteed upgrade path for the machine, ask the Sales Rep
for one in writing. If it's feasible, they should be able to do that. Some
of our upgrade paths have specific programs associated with them, such as
the Performance Protection Program for older R3000-based Power Series
multiprocessing systems which allowed purchasers of those systems to obtain
a guaranteed upgrade price for moving to the new Onyx or Challenge
R4400-based 64-bit multiprocessor systems.

If that's happening, it's becausing of misunderstandings or
mis-communication, not because SGI is directly attempting to annoy our
customer base.

Most SGI customers are onesy-twosey types, but regardless, we rarely give a
great deal of notice when we are about to introduce a new system because
again, like a previous post stated, if we pre-announced and the schedule
slipped, we would mess up our potential customers schedules (when they were
counting on the availability of the new systems on a particular date) and
would also look awfully bad to both our investors and the financial
analysts who watch us most carefully to see if we are meeting our
commitments.

Five years is an awfully long time in computer years. New processor
technologies are arriving every 1-2 years, making a 5 year old computer at
least 2 and probably 3 generations behind the times. The competitive nature
of the market is demanding that rate of development, so if your timing is
really 5 years between purchases, you have to accept the limited viability
of whatever architecture you buy into from any vendor.

There are some realities about the computer biz that we all have to live
with, but keeping customers happy is the most important, so don't give up,
we know it.

Josh   |:-)

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If "ownership" were rightly based on "worthiness" there wouldn't be any owners.
What is your point?

As I understand it, Israel's "claim" on Jerusalem is based on 1) possession,
and 2) the absolutely CENTRAL (not second, not third) role it plays in jewish
identity.


X Window installation on a Sun4/470 with CG6 alone and with CG2 as
screen:0.0 and CG6 as screen:0.1.

Questions:
1)  Are there any hardware configuration changes on the CG2 and/or
CG6 devices that need to be made other than pulling out and inserting the
CG2 frame buffer in the vme bus?

2)  The CG6 is called a 'graphics accelerator' as apposed to a 'frame buffer'.
What is the significance of this to the X server and how do we install
the SunOS driver / X to be compatable.

-----------------------
I would appreciate any information on this.
I am posting this on the behalf of Dr. John Charlton (who does not have net
access). Please reply to him directly at charlton@bme.unc.edu or just send
it at this address and I will forward it.

Thank you for your help!


SWELL ITEMS FOR SALE - HARDLY ANY COMPUTER STUFF

o LOTUS 1-2-3 Student Edition for DOS ...................... $10.00
     This does just about everything that standard 1-2-3
     Release 2.01 could do, but not as much of it.  Worksheet
     size is limited to 64 columns by 256 rows, there is no
     translation facility (for importing data from other
     packages), and the Student Edition does not write files
     that can be accessed by Release 2.01.  Includes manual,
     original distribution diskettes (5 1/4" - 360K), and key
     board templates.

o Subaru Service Manuals ................................... $10.00
     This is not a complete set, but includes sections 4, 5
     & 6 which cover MECHANICAL COMPONENTS (suspension, wheels
     & axles, steering, brakes, pedals & control cables, heater
     & ventilator, air conditioning), BODY (body & exterior,
     doors & windows, seats, seat belts, interior, instrument
     panel), and ELECTRICAL (engine electrical system, body
     electrical system, wiring diagram, and trouble-shooting).
     These are the genuine Subaru issue manuals.  They are for
     model year 1986, but have plenty of good information that
     applies to other years as well.

o Miscellaneous Darkroom Equipment ........................ $75.00
     Solar enlarger (several objective lenses) with easel and
     timer, negative carriers for 35mm and 2 1/4 x 3 1/4, misc.
     printing masks.  Developing tanks, thermometer, trays,
     constant-temperature bath, ground glass, mirrors, darkroom
     lamps, glassware, el-cheap-o tripods..... and (as they say)
                             MUCH   MORE!

o Beautiful Antique Buffet ............................... $1500.00
     Solid cherry (no veneer).  Handmade, with very interesting
     dovetail corners in the drawers.  Built (we think) around
     1880.  Not gaudy or covered with gew-gaws; a simple, elegant
     piece of furniture, but too big (60" long, 37" tall, 24"
     deep) for our little Cape Cod house.

Will deliver pricier items (ie, over $10) anywhere in the Rochester
area.  (And will consider delivering the others.)  Will deliver any
of it on (or near) UofR Campus between now and graduation.


I wish I hadn't sold my copy of Jewish Baseball Stars.  It's a Short Shelf
(i.e., the one on top of the toilet tank) Special.  The writing in that
books is so astonishingly awful -- every sportswriting cliche taken to
the nth degree and then mangled -- that it's funny.

Rusinow is the author, I think.


These are two common subjects so I hope someone has had to deal with these
specific questions.

1.  If my application depends on modifiers, what is the best lookup method?
My choices are to call XGetModifierMapping() for each key press with a
modifier, or make the call once at the init of the app and store the modifiers
in a lookup table.  I would like to do it the second way, but I can't seem to
get the notify when the user uses xmodmap to remap the modifiers.  I know that
when an app calls XSetModifierMapping() a MappingNotify event is generated
(non-maskable) which I can pick up and modify my internal table.  But, I don't
seem to get any notify events when the user uses xmodmap.  If I use Xt, all
O'Reilly has to say is '...is automatically handled by Xt...'.  If I use Xlib, ala XNextEvent(), I get nothing.  This all stems from problems with users of
the Sun 4/5 keyboard and the NumLock; plus various Alt/Meta/etc. modifier
requirements.

2.  I would like to place a popup so that it will be to the immediate right
of my main window.  I want it at the same y coord, and their right/left
sides touching.  What I need to ask for is the x,y coord of the window
manager's border for the main window.  This should ring a bell with anyone
who has called XtMoveWidget(), immediately checking the x,y after the move
and seeing that it is right, and in their next callback asking for the x,y
and seeing that it is now offset by the WM border.

Any help would be most appreciated.


The biggest hurdle for automatics (IMHO) is not shifting speed
per se, but rather the transmission's reaction speed when you
try to force it to shift manually.

This was the biggest fault with the Subaru ECVT -- it took SOOOOOO
LONNNNNNNNGGGGG for the tranny to find the right ratio.

The sales propaganda says the Saturn automatic is effectively an
electronically-shifted manual.  Might this mean that Saturn has
conquered the problem?  (I dunno, only driven Saturn 5-speeds)

INPUT, PLEASE!


 How about Kirlian imaging ? I believe the FAQ for sci.skeptics (sp?)
 has a nice write-up on this. They would certainly be most supportive
 on helping you to build such a device and connect to a 120Kvolt
 supply so that you can take a serious look at your "aura"... :-)


maybe the missile didn't hit directly such that his body
gets "desintegrated."  of course, destroying 10 houses to
kill someone is not a surgical operation, or is it?


Hmmm... I hadn't heard about rockets. ATF must be escalating their
tall tails... anyway

Why should they have "done something"? The Davidians had not attacked
or even threatened anyone.

It is not yours nor the governments right to tell others what they have
a legitimate right to own.

Is child abuse now within the jurisdiction of the department of the
treasury? Attacking citizens without due process on the strength of
unsubstantiated rumors about a violation of a law which does not
fall under your jurisdiction is a pretty serious breech of rights.

If he gets any more done we will really be in trouble!


prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Pontificated:
What I was getting at in my post is whether or not it might be
possible to put enough brains on board future deep-space probes
for them to automatically avoid such things as looking at the
sun or going into an uncontrolled tumble.

I heard once that the voyagers had a failsafe routine built in
that essentially says "If you never hear from Earth again,
here's what to do."  This was a back up in the event a receiver
burnt out but the probe could still send data (limited, but
still some data).

Since this would be a shutdown that may never be refunded for
startup, if some type of cosmic BEM took out the probe, it might
not be such a big loss.  Obviously you can't plan for
everything, but the most obvious things can be considered.


It seems to me that many readers of this conference are interested
who is behind the Center for Polict Research. I will oblige.

My name is Elias Davidsson, Icelandic citizen, born in Palestine. My
mother was thrown from Germany because she belonged to the 'undesirables'
(at that times this group was defined as 'Jews'). She was forced to go
to Palestine due to many  cynical factors. I have meanwhile settled in
Iceland (30 years ago) and met many people who were thrown out from
my homeland, Palestine, because of the same reason (they belonged to
the 'indesirables'). These people include my neighbors in Jerusalem
with the children of whom I played as child. Their crime: Theyare
not Jews. My conscience does not accept such injustice, period. My
work for justice is done in the name of my principled opposition to racism
and racial discrimination. Those who protest against such practices
in Arab countries have my support - as long as their protest is based
on a principled position, but not as a tactic to deflect criticism
from Israel. The struggle against discrimination and racism is universal.

The Center for Policy Research is a name I gave to those activities
undertaken under my guidance in different domains, and which command
the support of many volunteers in Iceland. It is however not a formal
institution and works with minimal funds.

Professionally I am music teacher and composer. I have published
several pieces and my piano music is taught widely in Europe.

I would hope that discussion about Israel/Palestine be conducted in
a more civilized manner. Calling names is not helpful.


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                    LOW LEVELS OF AIRBORNE PARTICLES LINKED
                           TO SERIOUS ASTHMA ATTACKS
                           American Lung Association

     A new study published by the American Lung Association has shown that
surprisingly low concentrations of airborne particles can send people with
asthma rushing to emergency rooms for treatment.
     The Seattle-based study showed that roughly one in eight emergency visits
for asthma in that city was linked to exposure to particulate air pollution.
The actual exposure levels recorded in the study were far below those deemed
unsafe under federal air quality laws.
     "People with asthma have inflamed airways, and airborne particles tend to
exacerbate that inflammation," said Joel Schwartz, Ph.D., of the Environmental
Protection Agency, who was the lead author of the study.  "When people are on
the threshold of having, a serious asthma attack, particles can push them over
the edge."
     The Seattle Study correlated 13 months of asthma emergency room visits
with daily levels of PM,,,. or particulate matter with an aerodynamic diameter
of 10 microns or less.  These finer particles are considered hazardous because
they are small enough penetrate into the lung.  Cities are considered out of
compliance with clean air laws if the 24-hour average concentration of PM10
exceeds 150 micrograms per cubic millimeter of air.
     In Seattle however, a link between fine particles and asthma was found at
levels as low as 30 micrograms.  The authors concluded that for every 30
microgram increase in the four-day average of PM10, the odds of someone with
asthma needing emergency treatment increased by 12 percent.
     The findings were published in the April American Review of Respiratory
Disease, an official journal of the American Thoracic Society, the Lung
Association's medical section.
     The study is the latest in a series of recent reports to suggest that
particulate matter is a greatly under appreciated health threat.  A 1992 study
by Dr. Schwartz and Douglas Dockery, Ph.D., of Harvard found that particles
may be causing roughly 60,000 premature deaths each year in the United States.
Other studies have linked particulate matter to increased respiratory symptoms
and bronchitis in children.
     "Government officials and the media are still very focused on ozone,"
says Dr. Schwartz.  "But more and more research is showing that particles are
bad actors as well."      One problem in setting, standards for particulate
air pollution is that PMIO is difficult to study.  Unlike other regulated
pollutants such as ozone and carbon monoxide, particulate matter is a complex
and varying mixture of substances, including carbon, hydrocarbons, dust, and

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acid aerosols.
     "Researchers can't Put people in exposure chambers to study the effects
of particulate air pollution," says Dr. Schwartz.  "We have no way of
duplicating the typical urban mix of particles.  " Consequently, most of what
is known about particulates has been learned through population-based research
like the Seattle study.
     Given that the EPA's current priority is to review the ozone and sulfur
dioxide standards, the agency is unlikely to reexamine the PM10 standard any
time soon.  Until changes are made, there appears to be little people with
asthma can do to protect themselves from airborne particles.
     "In some areas, you can get reports on air quality, but the reports only
cover the pollutant that is closest to violating its standard, and that's
rarely particulate matter," says Dr.  Schwartz.  "However, PM10 doesn't have
to be near its violation range to be unhealthy."

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               NIH Consensus Development Conference on Melanoma

The National Institutes of Health Consensus Development Conference on
Diagnosis and Treatment of Early Melanoma brought together experts in
dermatology, pathology, epidemiology, public education, surveillance
techniques, and potential new technologies as well as other health care
professionals and the public to address (1) the clinical and histological
characteristics of early melanoma; (2) the appropriate diagnosis, management,
and followup of patients with early melanoma; (3) the role of dysplastic nevi
and their significance; and (4) the role of education and screening in
preventing melanoma morbidity and mortality.  Following 2 days of
presentations by experts and discussion by the audience, a consensus panel
weighed the scientific evidence and prepared their consensus statement.

Among their findings, the panel recommended that (1) melanoma in situ is a
distinct entity effectively treated surgically with 0.5 centimeter margins;
(2) thin invasive melanoma, less than 1 millimeter thick, has the potential
for long-term survival in more than 90 percent of patients after surgical
excision with a 1 centimeter margin; (3) elective lymph node dissections and
extensive staging evaluations are not recommended in early melanoma; (4)
patients with early melanoma are at low risk for relapse but may be at high
risk for development of subsequent melanomas and should be followed closely;
(5) some family members of patients with melanoma are at increased risk for
melanoma and should be enrolled in surveillance programs; and (6) education
and screening programs have the potential to decrease morbidity and mortality
from melanoma.

A copy of the full text of the consensus panel's statement is available by
calling the NIH Office of Medical Applications of Research at (301) 496-1143
or by writing to:  Office of Medical Applications of Research, National
Institutes of Health, Federal Building, Room 618, Bethesda, MD 20892.

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                         NCI-Designated Cancer Centers

The Cancer Centers Program is comprised of 55 NCI-designated Cancer Centers
actively engaged in multidisciplinary research efforts to reduce cancer
incidence, morbidity, and mortality.  Within the program, there are four types
of cancer centers:  basic science cancer centers (14), which engage primarily
in basic cancer research; clinical cancer centers (12), which focus on
clinical research; "comprehensive" cancer centers (28), which emphasize a
multidisciplinary approach to cancer research, patient care, and community
outreach; and consortium cancer centers (1), which specialize in cancer
prevention and control research.

Although some cancer centers existed in the late 1960s and the 1970s, it was
the National Cancer Act of 1971 that authorized the establishment of 15 new
cancer centers, as well as continuing support for existing ones.  The passage
of the act also dramatically transformed the centers' structure and broadened
the scope of their mission to include all aspects of basic, clinical, and
cancer control research.  Over the next two decades, the centers' program grew
progressively.

In 1990, there were 19 comprehensive cancer centers in the nation. Today,
there are 28 of these institutions, all of which meet specific NCI criteria
for comprehensive status.

To attain recognition from the NCI as a comprehensive cancer center, an
institution must pass rigorous peer review.  Under guidelines newly
established in 1990, the eight criteria for "comprehensiveness" include the
requirement that a center have a strong core of basic laboratory research in
several scientific fields, such as biology and molecular genetics, a strong
program of clinical research, and an ability to transfer research findings
into clinical practice.

Moreover, five of the criteria for comprehensive status go significantly
beyond that required for attaining a Cancer Center Support Grant (also
referred to as a P30 or core grant), the mechanism of choice for supporting
the infrastructure of a cancer center's operations.  These criteria encompass
strong participation in NCI-designated high-priority clinical trials,
significant levels of cancer prevention and control research, and important
outreach and educational activities--all of which are funded by a variety of
sources.

The other types of cancer centers also have special characteristics and
capabilities for organizing new programs of research that can exploit
important new findings or address timely research questions.

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Of the 55 NCI-designated Cancer Centers, 14 are of the basic science type.
These centers engage almost entirely in basic research, although some centers
engage in collaborative research with outside clinical research investigators
and in cooperative projects with industry to generate medical applications
from new discoveries in the laboratory.

Clinical cancer centers, in contrast, focus on both basic research and
clinical research within the same institutional framework, and frequently
incorporate nearby affiliated clinical research institutions into their
overall research programs.  There are 12 such centers today.

Finally, consortium cancer centers, of which there is one, are uniquely
structured and concentrate on clinical research and cancer prevention and
control research.  These centers interface with state and local public health
departments for the purpose of achieving the transfer of effective prevention
and control techniques from their research findings to those institutions
responsible for implementing population-wide public health programs.
Consortium centers also are heavily engaged in collaborations with
institutions that conduct clinical trial research and coordinate community
hospitals within a network of cooperating institutions in clinical trials.

Together, the 55 NCI-Designated Cancer Centers continue to work toward
creating new and innovative approaches to cancer research, and through
interdisciplinary efforts, to effectively move this research from the
laboratory into clinical trials and into clinical practice.

Comprehensive Cancer Centers (Internet addresses are given where available)

University of Alabama at Birmingham Comprehensive Cancer Center
Basic Health Sciences Building, Room 108
1918 University Boulevard
Birmingham, Alabama 35294
(205) 934-6612

University of Arizona Cancer Center
1501 North Campbell Avenue
Tucson, Arizona 85724
(602) 626-6372
Internet:  syd@azcc.arizona.edu

Jonsson Comprehensive Cancer Center
University of California at Los Angeles
200 Medical Plaza
Los Angeles, California 90027
(213) 206-0278

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Internet:  rick@jccc.medsch.ucla.edu

Kenneth T. Norris Jr. Comprehensive Cancer Center
University of Southern California
1441 Eastlake Avenue
Los Angeles, California  90033-0804
(213) 226-2370

Yale University Comprehensive Cancer Center
333 Cedar Street
New Haven, Connecticut 06510
(203) 785-6338

Lombardi Cancer Research Center
Georgetown University Medical Center
3800 Reservoir Road, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20007
(202) 687-2192

Sylvester Comprehensive Cancer Center
University of Miami Medical School
1475 Northwest 12th Avenue
Miami, Florida 33136
(305) 548-4800
Internet:  hlam@mednet.med.miami.edu

Johns Hopkins Oncology Center
600 North Wolfe Street
Baltimore, Maryland 21205
(410) 955-8638

Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
44 Binney Street
Boston, Massachusetts 02115
(617) 732-3214
Internet:  Kristie_Stevenson@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu

Meyer L. Prentis Comprehensive Cancer Center of Metropolitan
Detroit
110 East Warren Avenue
Detroit, Michigan 48201
(313) 745-4329
Internet:  cummings%oncvx1.dnet@rocdec.roc.wayne.edu

University of Michigan Cancer Center

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101 Simpson Drive
Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-0752
(313) 936-9583
BITNET:  kallie.bila.michels@um.cc.umich.edu

Mayo Comprehensive Cancer Center
200 First Street Southwest
Rochester, Minnesota 55905
(507) 284-3413

Norris Cotton Cancer Center
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center
One Medical Center Drive
Lebanon, New Hampshire 03756
(603) 646-5505
BITNET:  edward.bresnick@dartmouth.edu

Roswell Park Cancer Institute
Elm and Carlton Streets
Buffalo, New York 14263
(716) 845-4400

Columbia University Comprehensive Cancer Center
College of Physicians and Surgeons
630 West 168th Street
New York, New York 10032
(212) 305-6905
Internet:  janie@cuccfa.ccc.columbia.edu

Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
1275 York Avenue
New York, New York 10021
(800) 525-2225

Kaplan Cancer Center
New York University Medical Center
462 First Avenue
New York, New York 10016-9103
(212) 263-6485

UNC Lineberger Comprehensive Cancer Center
University of North Carolina School of Medicine
Chapel Hill, North Carolina 27599
(919) 966-4431

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Duke Comprehensive Cancer Center
P.O. Box 3814
Durham, North Carolina 27710
(919) 286-5515

Cancer Center of Wake Forest University at the Bowman Gray School
of Medicine
300 South Hawthorne Road
Winston-Salem, North Carolina 27103
(919) 748-4354
Internet:  ccwfumail@phs.bgsm.wfu.edu

Ohio State University Comprehensive Cancer Center
300 West 10th Avenue
Columbus, Ohio 43210
(614) 293-5485
Internet:  dyoung@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Fox Chase Cancer Center
7701 Burholme Avenue
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19111
(215) 728-2570
Internet:  s_davis@fccc.edu

University of Pennsylvania Cancer Center
3400 Spruce Street
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19104
(215) 662-6364

Pittsburgh Cancer Institute
200 Meyran Avenue
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15213-2592
(800) 537-4063

The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
1515 Holcombe Boulevard
Houston, Texas 77030
(713) 792-3245

Vermont Cancer Center
University of Vermont
1 South Prospect Street
Burlington, Vermont 05401
(802) 656-4580

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Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center
1124 Columbia Street
Seattle, Washington 98104
(206) 667-4675
Internet:  sedmonds@cclink.fhcrc.org

University of Wisconsin Comprehensive Cancer Center
600 Highland Avenue
Madison, Wisconsin 53792
(608) 263-8600
BITNET:  carbone@uwccc.biostat.wisc.edu

Clinical Cancer Centers

University of California at San Diego Cancer Center
225 Dickinson Street
San Diego, California 92103
(619) 543-6178
Internet:  dedavis@ucsd.edu

City of Hope National Medical Center
Beckman Research Institute
1500 East Duarte Road
Duarte, California 91010
(818) 359-8111 ext. 2292

University of Colorado Cancer Center
4200 East 9th Avenue, Box B188
Denver, Colorado 80262
(303) 270-7235

University of Chicago Cancer Research Center
5841 South Maryland Avenue, Box 444
Chicago, Illinois 60637
(312) 702-6180
Internet:  judith@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu

Albert Einstein College of Medicine
1300 Morris Park Avenue
Bronx, New York 10461
(212) 920-4826

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University of Rochester Cancer Center
601 Elmwood Avenue, Box 704
Rochester, New York 14642
(716) 275-4911
Internet:  rickb@wotan.medicine.rochester.edu

Ireland Cancer Center Case Western Reserve University
University Hospitals of Cleveland
2074 Abington Road
Cleveland, Ohio 44106
(216) 844-5432

Roger Williams Cancer Center
Brown University
825 Chalkstone Avenue
Providence, Rhode Island 02908
(401) 456-2071

St. Jude Children's Research Hospital
332 North Lauderdale Street
Memphis, Tennessee 38101-0318
(901) 522-0306
Internet:  meyer@mbcf.stjude.org

Institute for Cancer Research and Care
4450 Medical Drive
San Antonio, Texas 78229
(512) 616-5580

Utah Regional Cancer Center
University of Utah Health Sciences Center
50 North Medical Drive, Room 2C110
Salt Lake City, Utah 84132
(801) 581-4048
BITNET:  hogan@cc.utah.edu

Massey Cancer Center
Medical College of Virginia
Virginia Commonwealth University
1200 East Broad Street
Richmond, Virginia 23298
(804) 786-9641

Consortia

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Drew-Meharry-Morehouse Consortium Cancer Center
1005 D.B. Todd Boulevard
Nashville, Tennessee 37208
(615) 327-6927

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                             General Announcments
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                 THE UCI MEDICAL EDUCATION SOFTWARE REPOSITORY

This is to announce the establishment of an FTP site at the University of
California, for the collection of shareware, public-domain software and other
information relating to Medical Education.

Specifically, we are interested in establishing this site as a clearinghouse
for personally developed software that has been developed for local medical
education programs.  We welcome all contributions that may be shared with
other users.

To connect to the UCI Medical Education Software Repository, ftp to:

                     FTP.UCI.EDU

The Repository currently offers both MSDOS and Macintosh software, and we hope
to support other operating systems (UNIX, MUMPS, AMIGA?).

Uploads are welcome.  We actively solicit information and software which you
have personaly developed or have found useful in your local medical education
efforts, either as an instructor or student.

Once you have connected to the site via FTP, cd (change directory) to either
the med-ed/mac/incoming or the med-ed/msdos/incoming directories, change the
mode to binary and "send" or "put" your files.  Note that you won't be able to
see the files with the "ls" or "dir" commands.  Please compress your files as
appropriate to the operating system (ZIP for MSDOS; Compactor or something
similar for Macintosh) to save disk space.

After uploading, please send email to Steve Clancy (slclancy@uci.edu) (for
MSDOS) or Albert Saisho (saisho@uci.edu) (for MAC) describing the file(s) you
have uploaded and any other information we might need to describe it.

Note that we can only accept software or information that has been designated
as shareware, public-domain or that may otherwise be distributed freely.
Please do not upload commercial software!  Doing so may jeopardize the
existence of this FTP site.

If you wish to upload software for other operating systems, please contact
either Steve Clancy, M.L.S. or Albert Saisho, M.D. at the addresses above.

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                              AIDS News Summaries
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                              AIDS Daily Summary

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) National AIDS
Clearinghouse makes available the following information as a public  service
only. Providing this information does not constitute endorsement  by the CDC,
the CDC Clearinghouse, or any other organization. Reproduction  of this text
is encouraged; however, copies may not be sold.  Copyright 1993, Information,
Inc., Bethesda, MD

      ==================================================================
                                April 12, 1993
      ==================================================================

"NIH Set to Test Multiple AIDS Vaccines" Reuters (04/08/93)  (Frank,
Jacqueline)

     Washington--The Clinton administration will permit the National
Institutes of Health to test multiple AIDS vaccines instead of  only allowing
the Army to test a single vaccine, administration  sources said Thursday.  The
decision ends the controversy between Army AIDS researchers who had hoped to
test a vaccine made by  MicroGeneSys Inc. and the National Institutes of
Health, which  contended that multiple vaccines should be tested.  Health and
Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala said a final announcement  on the
therapeutic vaccine trials was expected to be made last  Friday.  Companies
including Genentech Inc., Chiron Corp., and  Immuno AG have already told NIH
that they are prepared to  participate in the vaccine tests.  The testing is
intended to  demonstrate whether AIDS vaccines are effective in thwarting the
replication of HIV in patients already infected.  Shalala refuted last week's
reports that the Clinton administration had decided  the Army's test of the
MicroGeneSys VaxSyn should proceed without tests of others at the same time.
"The report was inaccurate,  and I expect there to be some announcement in the
next 24 hours  about that particular AIDS research project," said Shalala.
Administration sources subsequently confirmed that NIH director  Dr. Bernadine
Healy and Food and Drug Administration Commissioner David Kessler had
convinced the White House that multiple  vaccines should be tested
simultaneously.  But MicroGeneSys  president Frank Volvovitz said a test of
multiple vaccines could  triple the cost of the trial and delay it by two
years.

==================================================================

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"The Limits of AZT's Impact on HIV" U.S. News & World Report (04/12/93) Vol.
114, No. 14, P. 18

     AZT has become the most widely used drug to fight AIDS since it  was
approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 1987.   Burroughs Wellcome,
the manufacturer of AZT, made $338 million  last year alone from sales of the
drug.  However, a team of  European researchers recently reported that
although HIV-positive patients taking AZT demonstrated a slightly lower risk
of  developing AIDS within the first year of treatment, that benefit
disappeared two years later.  The Lancet published preliminary  findings of
the three-year study, which could give more reason  for critics to argue the
drug's cost, side effects, and general  efficacy.  Even though U.S.
researchers concede the study was  more comprehensive than American trials,
many argue the European  researchers' suggestion that HIV-positive patients
experience  little improvement in their illness before the development of
AIDS symptoms.  In addition, researchers have long been familiar  with the
--------- end of part 3 ------------


Yeah, do you expect people to read the FAQ, etc. and actually accept hard
atheism?  No, you need a little leap of faith, Jimmy.  Your logic runs out
of steam!

Jim,

Sorry I can't pity you, Jim.  And I'm sorry that you have these feelings of
denial about the faith you need to get by.  Oh well, just pretend that it will
all end happily ever after anyway.  Maybe if you start a new newsgroup,
alt.atheist.hard, you won't be bummin' so much?

Bye-Bye, Big Jim.  Don't forget your Flintstone's Chewables!  :)
--
Bake Timmons, III


	Hey, it might to interesting to read some of these posts...
Especially from ones who still regularly posts on alt.atheism!

	Hee hee hee.

	*I* ain't going to say....

---

        " Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "


this is a test

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       Mr. Parsli, I have to take exception at this.  There are
verifiable, previous *examples* of levels of U.S. governments
abusing gun-control restrictions.  I don't think it is paranoid
to worry that what has been abused in the recent past might be abused
in thye future.  After so many times of getting burned any sane person
will stop putting his hand on the stove.

       I'd love to.  But as long as the politicians grab power to sell
pork back to their constituents, there's not a lot I can do.

       It's silly to suggest that if there's anything we can't trust
the government to do, and therefore the government should be allowed
to do it, then we should change governments.  Down that road lies
total government power.   I've never been a fan of totalitarianism.

       This is very likely.

       The North American Continent is not Europe, no matter how many
people would like it to be.  Drugs are very illegal and they're
here.  For years Canada has crowed about its gun control.  If it is
necessary to control guns over the whole continent, then Canada should
have always had comparable rates to the U.S., yet they still don't.
Unless you can tell me why the Canadian border is so much more
magical than the Mexican border (which is shorter and far more
heavily patrolled) then I really can't accept that argument.

       No, there are approximately 31,000 deaths due to guns in the U.S.,
two-thirds of which are suicides.  (Unfortunately I don't have suicide
rates for Norway.)  However, this makes the per-gun death rate about
half the per-car death rate.

      The problem's been humans since before we had stone axes.  The
fct of the matter is simply this:  If nobody ever assaulted anybody,
whether there is a weapon of any sort around would be totally
irrelevent.

      Yet weapons are *built*.  I'd suggest, then, that the murderous
impulse in humanity pre-dates weapons.

      Anyway, the Bosnians et al. have been making an excellent attempt
to kill each other for half a thousand years.  Taking away their guns, even
if we could, would neither halt the killing nor reduce the brutality.

       In the U.S., approximately 60% of murders are commited with firearms.
(50% with handguns, 10% with non-handguns.)  The reason I say that guns, per
se, are not the problem, is that our non-gun rate exceeds most of Europe's
countries *entire* violent crime rate.  I don't really think we've got
more knives or fists.

       In any case, I think examples of gun control *applied* to the U.S.
have been abkect failures, just like drug prohibition and other forms
of prohibition.  Until you deal with *why* people are doing what they
are doing, you won't solve your problem.  And if the problem is
violent crime, you shouldn't concentrate on the tools instead.  The
*vast* majority of guns is never, ever misused.  (On the order of
99.5% over the entire lifetime of the gun).  This says to me that
you can't make the argument that the gun itself causes the misuse.

       The situation is not "good" in that people fear for their lives.
But recall the scenes of the store-owners during the last riots,
protecting their shops with guns.  Would it have been better they,
too, lost their livelihoods?

       The problem of poverty and rage in Los Angeles, no it isn't.
However, if that problem becomes a violent action, then yes, it can
be appropriate.  Whether or not some person has been hurt by their condition
won't make me less dead if they burn down my house with me in it.

       You have to examine which problem you're referring to.  If
you're discussing someone violently assaulting you, then it is
a perfectly legitimate response to make them stop.  (Hopefully
simply letting them know you're prepared to shoot them would be enough,
as it was with the above-mentioned store-owners.)

       45% of Households have some form of firearm, usually a long gun.
That accounts for a level of access for at least 100 million Americans.
Firearm ownership is most likely among educated, well-off whites, the
group *least* likely to be involved in violent crime.

       You may take that for what it's worth.


Sorry, I don't follow your reasoning.  You are proposing to punish people
*before* they commit a crime?  What justification do you have for this?


I am looking for information on possible causes and long term effects
of bone marrow sclerosis. I would also be thankful if anyone reading
this newsgroup could list some recognized treatment centers if anything
else than massive blood transfusion can be effective. If you plan on
a "go to the library"-style reply, please be kind enough to add a list
of suggested topics or readings: Medicine is not my field.


In the South Lebanon area, only Israeli (and SLA) and Lebanese troops
are present.
Syrian troops are deployed north of the Awali river.  Between the
Awali river and the "Security Zone" only Lebanese troops are stationed.

That is your opinion and the opinion of the Israeli government.
I agree peace guarantees would be better for all, but I am addressing
the problem as it stands now.  Hopefully a comprehensive peace settlement
will be concluded soon, and will include security guarantees for
both sides.  My proposal was aimed at decreasing the casualties
in the interim period.  In my opinion, if Israel withdraws
unilaterally it would still be better off than staying.
The Israeli gov't obviously agrees with you and is not willing
to do such a move.  I hope to be be able to change your opinion
and theirs, that's why I post to tpm.

As I explained, I contend that if Israel does withdraw unilaterally
I believe no attacks would ensue against northern Israel.  I also
explained why I believe that to be the case.  My suggestion
is aimed at reducing the level of tension and casualties on all sides.
It is unfortunate that Israel does not agree with my opinion.

That is too bad.

Because Israel is not occupying the "Security Zone" free of charge.
It is paying the price for that.  Once Israel withdraws it may have
lost a bargaining chip at the negociating table but it would save
some soldiers' lives, that is my contention.

  If Lebanon were willing to agree to

That is completely untrue.  Hizbollah is now a minor force in Lebanese
politics.  The real heavy weights are Syria's allies.  The gov't is
supported by Syria.  The Lebanese Army is over 30,000 troops and
unified like never before.  Hizbollah can have no moral justification
in attacking Israel proper, especially after Israeli withdrawal.
That would draw the ire of the Lebanese the Syrian and the
Israeli gov'ts.  If Israel does withdraw and such an act
(Hizbolllah attacking Israel) would be akin to political and moral
suicide.

Basil


There is a new DoD listing. To get a copy use one of these commands:

		finger motohead@cs.colorado.edu
				OR
		mail motohead@cs.colorado.edu

If you send mail make sure your "From" line is correct (ie "man vacation").
I will not try at all to fix mail problems (unless they are mine ;-). And I
may just publicly tell the world what a bad mailer you have. I do scan the
mail to find bounces but I will not waste my time answering your questions
or requests.

For those of you that want to update your entry or get a # contact the KotL.
Only the KotL can make changes. SO STOP BOTHERING ME WITH INANE MAIL

I will not tell what "DoD" is! Ask rec.motorcycles. I do not give out the #'s.


I told a newbie friend of mine, who was having trouble from the complicated
explanations of his rider course, to think of using the handlebars to lean,
not to turn. Push the right handlebar "down" (or pull left up or whatever)
to lean right. It worked for him, he stopped steering with his tuchus.


I caught up a mailmessage from an NCD guy, who stated that Tek
might be quitting it's X terminal activities and would be looking
for an interested buyer.
Since the source of this message is NCD, THIS MIGHT ONLY BE NASTY
GOSSIP !!!
Can anyone say more about this??

Dick.


(How is 0-40 twice 1.25? Do you just pick whatever SCSI setup that makes
the statment "correct"?)
Even if you could make such a statement it would be meaningless unless
you understood that ESDI and IDE (I include SCSI and ATA) are
completely different (ESDI is device-level, like MFM/RLL).

Great, you can compare two numbers (ATA has several speed modes, by the
way) but what the article said was misleading/wrong.

I would recommend people call the NCR board and download the ANSI specs
if they are really interested in this stuff.

Something is missing there. :) Anyway, I agree. There's a lot of
opportunity for marketing jingo like "SCSI-2 compliant" which tells
you nothing about the performance, whether it has "WIDE" support, etc.


In response to: Whitten@Fwva.Saic.Com (David Whitten):

And you responded:

Of course.  The feast WAS the Seder, and the accounts of it are very clear
on this point.

The difference is the connection between the bread and wine and the body
and blood of god.  This is an old association of the Tammuz/Osiris/Mithras
line, and not really related to Judaism.  In any case, I didn't really
intend to argue the point.  I saw a possible association and pointed it
out, but I haven't the foggiest notion what really happened.


Terry, hi.  I recently bought an LCIII and a Datadesk 101E.  I can't
remember trying to rebuild the desktop with it, however it did give me
a strange problem.  When I held down shift during startup to disable
all extensions, nothing happened. I tried it with another keyboard, using
the same adb connector cable- and it worked with the other keyboard.
The shift key on the Datadesk keyboard worked well otherwise. I checked
the dipswitches and they are fine.  Try disabling your extensions and tell
me if it works.

I am annoyed with Datadesk.  I sent them the keyboard in the mail for
inspection/repair/replacement.  The technician on the phone said they
have a 10-14 day turn around time- meaning you should receive the
inspected/repaired keyboard in that time.  Well, they have had the
keyboard for over 3 weeks and I still have gotten very little info
from them about it. It's annoying because it cost me $12 to send them
the keyboard (they do not refund the money) and their costumer service
lines are toll calls. Tell me if you have a similar experience.

-David


Where the hell do you get off calling it "Arab land"?  Jews have been
living there for a long time.  Jews didn't just start arriving in 1900,
they've been living there for thousands of years, except for periods when
they were expelled but they always returned home.

   Steve
--


Except from clock frequency, what are the differences between the
various types of 386 and 486 processors?
The following is a list with what I know (or perhaps only what I
think I know!). Can anybody extend & correct?

80386:  True 32 bit processor.
        (cache?)

80386SX:  Emulates 80386 with a 16 bit bus.

80486:  True 32 bit processor.
        Internal mathematical coprocessor (Correct?)
        Internal cache (Correct? How big?)
        (extended instruction set in any way?)

80486SX:  Probably sorta like 80486...

80486DX:  Probably sorta like 80386...

Well, it's not much, but I'm sure there is a lot of people out there
who can add a lot of information. Post or email as you prefer.


a lot of batters lean in when pitches come.  rickey's crouch tends
to exaggerate that, i think.

"a great player to watch if you forget who he is" - "unbiased"... hmmm...


I don't think FD is a problem.  Since FD is much sloooooooowwwwwwer
than HD, the overhead of double buffering doesn't matter.

Ken Nakata


I don't think such tools exist either. In addition, there's no such
thing as objective information. All together, it looks like religion
and any doctrines could be freely misused to whatever purpose.

This all reminds me of Descartes' whispering deamon. You can't trust
anything. So why bother.

Cheers,
Kent


The ADC is an organization of Arab-*AMERICANS*.

Let me see...you're saying that "most if not all" Arab-AMERICANS should be
spied on?  You're also saying that "most if not all" Arab-AMERICANS
should be views as a national security threat to Israel (and the US,
as you gratuitously imply in your reference to the WTC bombing, in
which no Arab-AMERICANS were involved)?  By inference, can we assume
that you think that anyone of Arab lineage anywhere in the world poses
a threat to Israel and, therefore, should be spied on?

Perhaps, then, on the basis of Pollard spy case (not to mention the
Rosenbergs, etc.) you think that all Jewish Americans should be spied
on by the ADC.

Oh, never mind; this whole spying case has obviously so
convoluted your sense of right or wrong in these matters that I have
no wish confuse you further.

So the LA times reporter who had information about him
sold to the South African government was involved in "anti-Israel
activity or propaganda"? Are we to infer that the simple act of
reporting an event in a newspaper constitutes "anti-Israel
activity or propaganda"?  Or was it South Africa?  The LA
times reporter was based in South Africa, after all.


:
: >I've got the 6.0 spec (obviously since I quoted it in my last posting).
: >My gripe about TIFF is that it's far too complicated and nearly
: >infinitely easier to write than to read,...
:
: Why not use the PD C library for reading/writing TIFF files? It took me a
: good 20 minutes to start using them in your own app.
:
: Martin
:
What is the name of this PD C library for TIFF.  I'd like to get a copy of it,
but I can't Archie for something I don't have the filename for.


Is there a fix for this? We have a Quadra 900 that will NOT finish startup
unless there is a monitor connected. This would be no problem, but since
we're running it as a file server, there is no need to have a monitor
connected all the time.


[...]

I presume that you meant to say tcsh here ------^^^^^

--

Michael Salmon

#include	<standard.disclaimer>
#include	<witty.saying>
#include	<fancy.pseudo.graphics>


In myopia the cornea is too curved.  There is too much of a bulge in the
center.

In PRK the laser removes a small amount of material from the center.

In RK the surgeon cuts incisions near the edge.  They heal, and the scarring
reshapes the cornea.

Entirely different mechanisms, and the action is in a different place.


Need I say more???????


Hi netters,

I have the following  vacation  packages  for  sale:

1>  Bahamas  Vacation.
     2  round  trip  tickets to freeport,  Grand Bahamas.
     Double  occupancy, hotel accomodation.
     at  $ 27  per person  per  night.

2>  Orlando Florida  +
    Las  Vegas  +
    Reno/ Lake Tahoe  Vacation

    One round trip airline ticket.
    (from  major  US  airports to the 3 of the above mentioned
     destinations)
    Hotel  Accomodation  for 1 or 2 people.
    (for 3 days/ 2 Nights).


The key word is `spilled'.  If semen was spilled anywhere where there
was a chance of procreation it was OK.  If it was spilt on the ground or
in to a man it was a big sin, ditto with animals. The jews said sex=pro-
creation.

Homosexuals didn't breed, there fore they are evil and should be stoned
to death.

Stoning non-breeding population was fine.  Only the breeders were
considered to be worth much.

Xavier


Well, this is alt.atheism.  I hope you arent here to try to convert anyone.

Many would disagree.

[...]

Well, you shouldn't give any particular book too much weight.  Actually,
I don't think that any of these statements is correct.  It is more likely
that most of Jesus' fame was attributed to him after his death by those
who had some strong motives...

[...]

What's a prophecy, and what's so significant about them?

I think we understand.

Well, sell your computer and donate you life to your religion now...
Don't waste any time.


My news feed is broken and I haven't received any new news in 243 hours
(more than 10 days).  So, if you reply to this, please send private
email to the address esther@demand.ed.ray.com -- I have set the
Reply-To line to have that address but I don't know if it will work.

[It depends upon the software, but generally I wouldn't expect
reply-to to cause an email cc to be sent in addition to a posting.
You'll probably need to do something specific, which will vary
depending upon your news software.  --clh]

At any rate, I need some support.  (Much thanks to Jayne K who is
already supporting me with kind words and prayers!)

I've been working at this company for eight years in various
engineering jobs.  I'm female.  Yesterday I counted and realized that
on seven different occasions I've been sexually harrassed at this
company.  Seven times. Eight years. Yesterday was the most recent one;
someone left an X-rated photo of a nude woman in my desk drawer.

I'm really upset by this.  I suppose it could have been worse -- it
could have been a man having sex with a sheep or something.

There was no note.  I do not know if it was:

	- someone's idea of an innocent joke, that went awry
	- someone's sick idea of flirting
	- an act of emotional terrorism (that worked!)

I dreaded coming back to work today.  What if my boss comes in to ask
me some kind of question, I don't know the answer so I take a military
specification down off from my shelf to look up the answer, and out
falls a picture of a man having sex with a sheep?  I generally have a
Bible on my desk for occasional inspiration; what if I open it up to
Corinthians and find a picture a la the North American Man Boy Love
Association?  I want to throw up just thinking about this stuff.

I can lock up my desk, but I can't lock up every book I have in the
office.  I can't trust that someone won't shove something into my
briefcase or my coat pocket when I'm not looking so that I go home to
find such a picture, or a threat, or a raunchy note about what someone
wants to do to my body.

To make it worse, the entire department went out to lunch yesterday to
treat our marvelous secretary to lunch.  The appointed hour for
leaving was 11:30.  I was working in another building but wanted to go
to the lunch.  So I returned at 11:25, only to find that ever single
person had already left for lunch.  They left at 11:15 or so.  No one
could be bothered to call me at the other building, even though my
number was posted.  So, I came back to a department that looked like a
neutron bomb had gone off and I was the sole survivor.  This, despite
the fact that everyone knew how bad I felt about this naked woman being
left in my desk drawer.

I need some prayers --- I can't stop crying. I am so deeply wounded
that it's ridiculous.

I feel like I'm some kind of sub-human piece of garbage for people to
reduce me and my sisters to simply sex organs and the sex act.  I feel
like I'm a sub-human piece of garbage that's not worthy of a simple
phone call saying "We're leaving for Mary's lunch a little early so
that Bob can get back for a big 1:00 meeting..."

Please pray that my resentments will either go away, or be miraculously
turned into something positive.  Please pray that whoever is torturing
me so will stop, and find some healing for him- or herself. Please pray
for my being healed from this latest wound (which falls on top of a
whole slew of other wounds...).  Please pray that I can find a new job
in a place where the corporate culture does its best to prevent such
harrassment from happening in the first place, and swiftly acts
appropriately when something occurs despite its best precautions. (This
company, in my opinion, has pretty words about how sexual harrassment
isn't tolerated but when you get right down to it, how is it that one
female engineer can be touched inappropriately, left obsene or
threatening notes, left obscene pictures, spoken to lewdly, etc, seven
times in eight years in the same place?  Pretty words from the company
do me no good when I'm terrified or healing from the latest assault.)

And please pray that I don't turn into an automaton because of this.
That's my bad habit: "ignore it and it will go away", "you're not worth
anyone's time so don't go talking to anyone about this", "you're right,
you are a sub-human piece of garbage and deserve to be treated this
way", "you are just an object", "you prostitute your mind to this
company so why can't others expect you to prostitute your body there as
well?", "what makes you think women aren't just possessions, and
nothing more than sex organs and their ability to perform the sex act?"
This is the kind of thinking that can catapault one into a major
depressive episode; please pray that these thoughts don't come into
my head and stay there, triggering depression.

Please pray that this latest trauma doesn't come between me and God.
In a way, a wound like this is an invitation to a deeper connection to
God, and it's also a possible trigger for a spiritual crisis that can
separate one mentally from God.  (I know God doesn't drop me from his
loving hand, but it's awfully easy for me to walk to the edge of the
hand, look down, think I'm falling and forget that God's still holding
on to me.)

Although this probably isn't entirely appropriate for this newsgroup,
I really can use the kind of loving support you all provide.  For this
reason I hope good Mr. Moderator allows me this latest indulgence.  After
all, he's allowed me the thermometer note, and a few other off-the-wall
topics.

Thanks in advance to everyone for your support and prayers.  Peace to you,
Esther


I thought the red light went on...thus, in the review, the presumption
would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the
net...from the replays I say, even from the rear, the evidence wasn't
conclusive that the puck was in or out...in my opinion...


[Stuff deleted]

Well, someone at Microsoft told you wrong.  Windows will use a swap file
larger than the recommended size.  Last summer I went to a Microsoft
Windows 3.1 Technical Workshop and they distributed A LOT of information
that the general public might not be aware of.  Anyway in the main book
they handed out they have a section on "Creating larger than recommended
swapfile".  I'll quote the information

  If you create a permanent swapfile larger than the recommended size, you
  will receive a message telling you that Windows will not use anything
  larger than the recommended size.  THIS ERROR MESSAGE IS INCORRECT, we
  will allow the use of the larger swapfile, up to four times the amount
  of RAM on your machine.

So as you see, Microsoft does know that the information is incorrect.  You
probably just ran into some doofball who was new on the job and was only
telling you what little he knew.

Be that what it may, I would really suggest to everyone to take the
opportunity to go to these Technical Workshops.  They aren't actually
incredibly in-depth, but you do get a lot of material about bugs and
optimization straight from those in the know.  Besides that they offer
you HUGE discounts on software.  If I remember correctly, you could pick
up Word 2.0, Excel 4.0, or whatever their presentation program is for $130.
That is the full blown version, not an upgrade or educational version.  You
could also pick up Microsoft Office for $500 or something like that.  Myself
I sprang for Word.

Well, hope that was helpful to someone.  And besides that I hope someone
will go to a workshop and save a little money.

And if anyone at Microsoft is reading this -- I really love your products.
I need a job once I graduate also, can we work something out?  ;-)


I want to get rid of alot of comics that I have. I am selling for 30% off
the Overstreet Price Guide.

COMIC                                           CONDITION
-----                                           ---------


This may be a stupid question, but how does the government know which keys
to ask for?

Will owners be required to REGISTER their phones, faxes, modems, etc.,
and inform the government when they are moved to a different phone number?
Will there be penalities if the public does not do this?  Will identification
(the National Health Care ID, perhaps) be required when purchasing a
Clipper-equipted phone?

Or will each chip transmit identifying information at the start of
a conversation?  Identification which could be used to automatically
log who calls whom?  (The _phone_ company keeps records, but this
information would be accessable by a well-placed van near a microwave
relay station).

This raises the question of how the two phones agree on a communications
encryption key.  Will it be something that is derived from information
exchanged at the start of the conversation -- and hence derivable by
an eavesdropper?


To following up my own note:
: :
: : It looks like everything works as advertised but I am disappointed
: : with the speed.  I'm using an Intel 400 internal 14.4k modem in the PC
: : with Telebit 14.4k on the Unix end, which are currently limited to
: : 19.2Kbits by the Unix com link. To get a quantitative comparison, I
: : did 'cat file' where "file" is 20 kbyte uncompressed ascii text, and
: : it took 75 seconds to scroll through an X window over the modem link,
: : 270 chars/sec.  Using the identical hardware and Procomm+FW the same
: : "cat file' takes 11 seconds, 1820 chars/sec.  BTW, I use NCD PC XView
: : on my PC at work (HP) every day for the same Unix access from a PC over
: : a LAN and like that just fine.  The same 'cat file' scrolls by in
: : ~2 seconds on the LAN connection.

I just tried a few experiments. I cat'd a 20261-byte file (471 lines)
under various scenarios:

PC-Xview for DOS in a full-screen OS/2 window (1024x768x16):    18 sec
Telix (DOS) in an OS/2 window (1024xs768x256):                  107 sec!
Telix (DOS) is a full-screen OS/2 window (standard VGA):        11 sec
Telix (DOS) in a Windows 3.1 window (1024x768x256):             30 sec
UW/WIN in a seamless OS/2 window (1024x768x256):        gave up after 4 min!
UW/WIN in Windows 3.1 (1024x768x256):           faster, but gave up after 2 min
UW/WIN in a seamless OS/2 window using pg       30 sec, could have been a
                                                little faster (I had to keep
                                                hitting the space bar)

I was using an ATI Wonder XL video card, by the way.

So PC-Xview for DOS looks pretty good (and the line-by-line scrolling
in OS/2 desktop looks pathetic, although full-page redraws are pretty
good).

I tried it under PC-Xview using my normal (9x15bold or 10x20) font,
and with a very small font, and there was no difference in the times.
The modem receive light was on pretty solidly, so it looks like the
bottleneck was the 9600-baud modem, not the screen drawing.


The latest news seems to be that Koresh will give himself up once he's
finished writing a sequel to the Bible.


This probably is in a FAQ somewhere, but....

I'm looking for Microsoft's internal speaker sound driver for Windows.

Should be at Microsoft's FTP site, but I can't remember the name of the site...


...

	It's amazing how everyone automatically blames one side or the other.
	One thing for sure:  Koresh will have no chance to defend himself
	against the statements (lacking in fact or COurt sponsored verification)
	made  by agents who participated in the situation that killed him.

		I don't know they murdered him; I also don't know
		that the Branch Davidians set a fire and suicidede.

		It is SICK of BATF or FBI spokepeople to make such
		comments in advance of forensic pathology.

	Stephen:  thank you.  God speed.

	Yah.

	BINGO.  Am I the only one  to notice:
	a)	No peaceful attempt to serve a warrant.
	b)	Six months to develop a scene and six days to end it?
	c)	.... ah God:

			25 children
			at least 64 adults
			plus 6 at the beginning
			and more BATF agents

			all dead.

	Has anyone asked themselves these questions:

	1)  Have you seen the ENTIRE video sequences taken during the
	  opening rounds?  I seem to recall missing several key parts:
		a)  The first five minutes of day one; only the shooting
		  part comes out.
		b)  What happened to the Feds video units?  You mean they do
		  not carry helmet cams?  Wonder why not?
	2)   How is it you can have camera crews with live transmission
	  video present and NOT have an uninterrupted record?

		a)  You realize the units carry ittle bitty 8mm backups?
			That hold 90 minutes per unit?  And there are
			twounits on the professional handhelds (so no
			tape turnover gaps)?
		b)  Until all views are seen, it is premature to point
			fingers in either direction.

	As you well point out, Stephen.

	More on this below.

	Yes.  But it is so hard toremain human under the full
	pressure of hazard, game playing, and life.

	More to the point:  when someone dies (almost like it was intended
	that way), both sides will kill to maintain their innocence --
		a contradiction in terms.

	True.  Usually I pick the unpopular side and point out
	from the evidence seen what might have alternatively happened.

	This requires someone interested in God's Will.  Please note
	that the outstanding _overt_ problem in this country today
	is one where the Government:

		wants Caesar's coin to pay off the debt.

	Yes:  The AMerican People.  Not the Federal Government.
	ANd if it is not spent towards that end, _no_one_ deserves
	the coin.

	Yah.  Fewpeople hear the contradiction:

		Money
		made
		in the image
		of God

	I wish you were wrong.  Many pundits are saying 3 years.
	The onyl good thing to come out of my divorce (and my
	exposure to the Damned (pardon me) American Divorce Attorney
	is:

		I have no money left to lose to taxes or inflation.

	25 children dead.  If anyone thinks blaming Koresh -- or the BATF
	helps this any at all, is sick.  and wrong.

		The reason you can tell that the BATF may not be entirely
		straight on this is that the leaders at press conferences
		havew made ANY comments about even the POSSIBILITY that
		Koresh or his followers caused this.

		The BATF agentss are more concerned with their repuations
		and morals ("not my fault, Koresh did it!") than they
		are with:

			25 dead children.

	Same goes for Koresh & his followers - who are all (mostly) dead.

	More on power and favoritism.  (My personal opinion).

	Look to history:  whenever privilege has replaced whatever
	token of objective law and justice a society has had,

		Hitlerrs have followed.

	You do your name sake proud, Stephen.
	Its hard, but please keep on keeping on:
		each voice in the wilderness now will
		save a generation unborn from horror

	The day I _need_ a gun or abomb to protect myself in this
	society is the day that society is already beyond redemption

		and that aint' redundant, if you have any Christian
		belief aytall.

	... and the day that I cannot peacefully enjoin others in the
	act that Thoreau called Civil Disobedience to rectify the
	wrongs that my society practises, without undue harm or
	punishment befalling me, is the day that society has ceased to
	be a human society, and become a society of animals.

		We are _very_ cclose to that.

	Six years fighting an unjust COurt issue:  still struggling to be
	patient.

For those who like contrary questions:

	NB:  I was not there.  I am not a Branch Davidian nor a     law
	official hater.  I do hate liars or the six letter variety of same.
	The official side has its advocates already; lets balance the
	equation and asj a few questions on the other side, for the sake
	of an old saw the BATF abd FBI seem to want to bypass:

		innocent until proven guilty.
	not
		innocent until presumed guilty.

	1)  Where are the video tapes from the tanks?  ALL of them.

		Don't tell me they do not exist.  They are standard
		equipment.

	2)  So you think Koresh fired the place, because of the explosion?

		a)  Tear gas comes with an aerosol to spread it.  This
		  aerosol is DELIBERATELY made to be as non-flammable
		  as possible.  It is as non-flammable as possible.

			.... gotcha!

		  ... when in isolation from other substances.

		  WHy was a pipe deliveryu system used rather than remote
		  launchers?  WHy did the FBI not announce "this window,
		  blown in plus tear gas, five minutes; then the wall come
		  down", and maintain a left to right sequence?

		b)  Most aerosols also have a secondary compound, that when
		  mixed in, becomes a VERY flammable (and difficult to trace)
		  suspension, with a VERY special property:  exposure to
		  brief eruptions of high heat (muzzle blasts) or long
		  exposure to low heat (matches, a stove) will NOT tend
		  to ignite.

			What other chemicals come up in the forensics?
			Who else will be allowed to test the site?

		c)  After a few minutes to hours (ifdesired, the combnation
		  rate can be controlled as desired), the mixture can be made
		  to become veryignitable onb exposure to a temperature
		  above a certain point (a tracer round) for a certain
		  heat quantity (a small explosive charge) or for a length
		  of time (start a wall fire and wait).

			Check your military records; look at the tapes.
			Why were tanks (large capacity delivey systems),
			tear gas (why not somnorifics?), and now (why
			the hurry. was there still a comm channel open
			to the outside?).

			Do you see any trace of fire coming BACK to the
			compound in the videos?  ALL the videos?  Which ones
			are missing?

	Do I sound paranoid?  Maybe.  Am I? Probably not.
	You trust the FBI and BATF  to render judgement?
		IN advance of a Court?  God help us.
			(For we are surely not helping ourselves).
	You trut the Federal Gevernment to give us a clean slate?

		You are 4.3 trillion (admitted!) down and counting.
		Look again.

	Did it happen that way?  I do not know.  I was not there.
		AND IT SHOULD WAIT FOR A COURT TO DECIDE.
	But will that happen?  89 people will NOT have the chance
		to tell their side as the BATF leader was, on camera.

No one wins.  Except:  more force next time.

	Listen to your hearts, people.

Thanx again Stephen.

roy andrew crabtree


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Yes, absolutely, though I'd make the observation in a more general sense of
all observations are made by human beings and therefore made with various
biases.

But here your message leaves talk of hypothesis and gets back, once again,
to equating the business of science with the end result, the gizmo produced.

My point isn't so much whether or not you have a novel paradigm but *how*
you come about developing it.

Perhaps you'd admit that this is an oversimplification on your part (the topic
of the philosophy of science is made for them, I'm making them too) but I
think that it also summarizes popular misconceptions of science and the
business of doing science.  Biomedical research doesn't make any basic
assumptions that aren't the same as any other discipline of scientific
research.  That is, that you make empirical observations, form an hypothesis
and test it.  Modern medicine has much more to do with biochemistry than
"the old Newtonian model of the world".  And I doubt that many psychologists
would appreciate being put outside this empirical "world view".  Psychology
also has more to do with biochemistry than spoon bending.

Oversimplified, of course, but a good example.  This is an empirical observa-
tion.  It was then tested, though perhaps not by Aristotle, and eventually
found wanting.  In the meantime, some folk will
have continued to believe in the spontaneous generation of animal life.
There's nothing at all surprising about this, it's the way the gathering of
knowledge works.  There are probably more than a few things in my own
discipline of molecular biology that will be found to be totally off-base,
even idiotic, to someone in the future.  These future people won't have come
to these relevations because they had suddenly gone all Zen-like and had
a vision in an LSD trip.  Someone will have thought of something new and
tested it.  This is the bit that people who seem to relish misrepresenting
science and research can't seem to wrap their minds around.  Science is a
creative process.  What I think of as factual and good research can be totally
turned on its head tommorrow by new results and theories.


I also have a pair of size 11-11.5 Raichle Flexon Comps.
These boots are black and yellow.  they are in good condition.
I would like around $100 for them also but feel
free to make an offer.

Please reply to:  crane@coral.bucknell.edu

Thanks,


Hi,
I am one those uncles that try to please my nephews whenever possible,
so.. they have asked me to find them some Nitendo games, no, it is
not for the super nitendo.. it is for whatever model came prior to
that.

Since they are overseas, I will first ask them if they already have the
games you would have to offer me. Please send me a list, or whatever and
the price you are asking so I can send to my nephews and find out what
they have and what they want.. so bare with me, I will respond, but it
will take me a while.

Thanks,
Walter
walter@psg.com

Please respond directly.


I would just go fetch my parents, and show them to you, and thereby
prove quite definitively that my mother is not named Merlyn, she is
not nine feet tall, and my father is quite alive.

Then I would assert quite simply that your deity does not exist, and
wait for a similar demonstration from you.


Whew!  Take it easy on the guy.  Maybe he's going to do this in his
spare time.  Maybe he's going to do this to see how much a wiretap
*really* costs.  Maybe he's going to do this so he can add to the
opposition to Clipper.  I don't know fully why he might do this, but
maybe we shouldn't start flaming at the drop of a hat.


Oh Christ, here we go again. I'm actually going to assume that
this was a serious posting, fool that I am.

And I suppose I should just take your word for it. Did you ever
think that many people who use firearms to protect themselves
might not admit to it because of the ridiculous laws which exist
forbidding concealed carry?

I already own a cool jacket. I ride a bicycle to work and park
it behind my desk. And if my woman decides to go with someone
else, I'd be disappointed but killing her new suitor will probably
not endear her to me any more than before. Frankly, I've never
met a woman worth killing for anyway. (Now, an AR-15 with a chrome
barrel, THAT's worth killing for ...!-))

Does this pinhead know something the rest of us don't?
I'm not too worried about federal martials coming to get my guns.
The government can't seem to keep violent criminals in jail since
they don't have enough prison space, and the legal system is over-
burdened anyway. Where are they going to put all the millions of
gun-owners who won't fork over their weapons? Maybe you'd like to
volunteer the services of your humble abode, since you obviously
feel sooooo strongly about this.

Your argument has been rendered useless. Accept this. Find another
newsgroup.

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Lee Gaucher   NRA                |  My opinions.
gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu   |  No one else's.


For those that are interested I got my fully optioned (Air, ABS,
sunroof) '92 SE-R in September 1991 for $13,555 in Sacramento, CA. It
was one of the 1st '92s sold, few of the dealers had any, no local
dealer had an ABS equipped SE-R.  I went straight to the fleet manager
at the dealership I liked, told him what I wanted, made him aware that I
knew what his price should be.  He called me back with exactly what I
wanted from a dealer 125mi away, I took delivery the next day.


If the free market places an attractive price on the screwing in of a
light bulb, you can bet your bottom dollar that the light bulb will
most certainly get screwed in -- and most promptly at that, too.


Undoubtedly it does, to maintain such a weight.  And it does so
primarily by overeating.  If it didn't, the weight would drop
back to normal.

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Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."