-> According to the TIFF 5.0 Specification, the TIFF "version number"
-> (bytes 2-3) 42 has been chosen for its "deep philosophical
-> significance".

-> Last week, I read the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, and rotfl the
-> second time. (After millions of years of calculation, the second-best
-> computer of all time reveals that 42 is the answer to the question
-> about life, the universe and everything)

-> Is this actually how they picked the number 42?

-> Does anyone have any  other suggestions where the 42 came from?

   At this moment the King, who had been for some time busily writing in
his note-book, called out "Silence!" and read out from his book
"Rule Forty-two. All persons more than a mile high to leave the court."
   Everybody looked at Alice.
   "I'm not a mile high," said Alice.
   "You are," said the King.
   "Nearly two miles high," added the queen.
   "Well, I sha'n't go, at any rate," said Alice; "besides, that's not
a regular rule: you invented it just now."
   "It's the oldest rule in the book," said the King.
   "Then it ought to be Number One," said Alice.


I use the ashtray to keep change and other items in. I converted the
cigarette lighter into a volume control knob for my in trunk subwoofer!

                                                  .
                                                 /
Larry                            __/    _______/_
keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov       /                  \
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            ----------- / ____/   /  /   /__  __/              \
         /     ___    /  / ___   /  /      / /    ____          |
        |    /      \/ /__ /  | /  /__  __/ /__ /       \      /
        /___         \_______/ /_____/ /______/            ====OO
            \       /                           \       /
                -            1990 2.0 16v           -

       ---------------- FAHRVERGNUGEN FOREVER! --------------------
            The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates
            that you probably wouldn't understand anyway!


David Karr, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 01:01:01 GMT wibbled:
: >In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca>
: >
: >> With regards to the pub brawl, he might have a history of such things.
: >> Just because he was a biker doesn't make him out to be a reasonable
: >> person.  Even the DoD might object to him joining, who knows?

: If he had a history of such things, why was it not mentioned in the
: article, and why did they present the irrelevant detail of where he
: got his drinking money from?

: I can't say exactly who is at fault here, but from where I sit is
: looks like we're seeing the results either of the law going way out
: of hand or of shoddy journalism.

: If the law wants to attach strings to how you spend a settlement, they
: should put the money in trust.  They don't, so I would assume it's
: perfectly legitimate to drink it away, though I wouldn't spend it that
: way myself.

: -- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)

We heard about this from a newspaper article.  Journalists and editors
always pick out the most interesting and sensational "facts" for our
facts get in the way of a good story".  You must have noticed how
motorcyclists get treated by the press.  They thrive on hysteria,
ignorance, sensationalism and one-upmanship.  Unfortunately there's
not enough salt to keep taking a pinch of.

--

Nick (the Cynical Old Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Leaky New Gearbox

M'Lud.


<<<most of message deleted>>>


According to the hockey gurus over at ESPN, should the Islanders win tonite
the two teams will have the same record, but the Devils will be playing the
Penguins.  This is because the Islanders have won the season series against
the Devils.  I think the rules for deciding a tie breaker include:

1.  season series
2.  goals against
3.  goals for

in this order (correct me if I'm wrong).  Anyone have anything to add?

Craig


I'd like to add a second S3 based video card to my system.  Does anyone
know of a company that sells a card that can coexist with another one?
All I really need is color text on one monitor and fast color graphics
on the other.


Hmmm.  Here's food for thought:  " ...but rather be in fear of him
who can destroy both soul and body in gehenna."  Math 10:28


[...]
[...]

I just found out from my source that this article was a joke.  Heh heh..
It seemed pretty damn convincing to me from the start -- I just didn't
notice the smiley at the end of the article, and there were a few other
hints which I should of caught.

Anyway -- I guess this 'joke' did turn out to resemble Clinton's true
feelings at least to some extent.

Sorry about that...


Hi!

I recently switched my 3.5" drive to A:. The problem is, while I can read and
write to both the new A: and B: correctly, I can't boot from a floppy in A:.
I've checked the CMOS settings; it is set for Floppy Seek at Boot and Boot
Order A:,C:.

Once, I had a floppy that did not have the systems files on it in A:. I got a
message telling me to put a disk systems disk in the drive. It didn't work.
When I do have a systems disk in the A: drive, this is what happens:
1) Power-on and Memory Test;
2) A: light comes on
3) B: light comes on, followed by a short beep;
4) HD light comes on for an instant;
5) B: light comes on again, then nothing happens

The light goes off, there is no disk activity of any kind, and the screen
blanks. I can't even use ctrl-alt-del.

Any suggestions.

Thanks in advance.


That sounds like an awfully closed minded, intolerant attitude.

1/2  :')

I'm not a redneck but . . . try a walk in their shoes first.  Stereotypes
are usually of very limited value.  I've seen as many ignorant
self-righteous "open minded" new age lovers of the great planet Earth
as I have ignorant "red necks".  I don't see a correlation. I don't
believe that the "redneck" culture, if you can call it that, is
necessarily inferior or superior to any other.

I gotta have a beer, I'm making too much sense.  Next thing you know,
I'll be preaching tolerance . . .. and I'm a conservative.

Jack Waters II
DoD#1919


As long as "you are on your own" means that you can use your own encryption,
I'm sold.


I have a question regarding sending a NULL character across ethernet
connection. The actual problem is that emacs (Unix editior) needs
the NULL character for setting a mark and unfortunately we don't know
how to sent that from IBM PCs across ethernet. I am wondering if anyboy
knows the keyboard combination for sending the NULL character.
BTW control,shift 2 which Ctrl @ does not work.

Thanks


	Both Christians and non-Christians laugh at this quote because
it exaggerates something we all feel, but know is not true.  Us
Christians just KNOW that a little better!    :)

			In God we trust!

			-Christopher


	Who does the categorizing?

---

  " I'd Cheat on Hillary Too."


: [I have some qualms about postings like this.  You might want to
: engage in a bit more conversation with Joel before deluging
: someone who doesn't expect it with cards.  --clh]

I'd suggest that more than _some_ qualms are in order.  Without knowing
anything about the situation, it is impossible to evaluate the
appropriateness of writing.  Some folks will check, others with more
zeal than time may not.

IMHO, requests of this nature should be made only for oneself or for someone
who knows and approves of the idea.  Otherwise, it is intrusive and
disrespectful of the individual.


True.

Also read 2 Peter 3:16

Peter warns that the scriptures are often hard to understand by those who
are not learned on the subject.


On a slightly different note:

There are two buildings in NY state with big 666 numbers on the
roof :)

One in Manhattan and one near Garden City. The Garden City one
is a nice black unmarked building...


Followup-To:kedz@wpi.wpi.edu
Distribution: ne
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Keywords:

I am looking for an inexpensive motorcycle, nothing fancy, have to be able to do all maintinence my self. looking in the <$400 range.


[...]

You seem to be saying that a LIMITED government will provide MORE
opportunities for private interests to use it to pursue their own
agendas, and asking libertarians to prove that this will NOT happen.
While I can't offer such a proof, it seems pretty damn plausible that
if the government does not regulate a particular area, it cannot become
a tool of private interests to pursue their own agendas in that area.
I rather suspect that it's the sort of government we have NOW that is
more likely to become such a tool, and that it IS such a tool in many
instances.

I suspect that this is because "improvement in the human condition" as
you define it is not the primary goal of libertarianism, and would not
be the primary goal of a libertarian government.  My impression of
libertarianism is that its primary goal is the elimination of
government coercion except in a very limited cases.
--
Ian Sutherland
ian@eecs.nwu.edu


	SeAL Team six should have handled it?  Delta Force?  The
BATF had more than enough equipment and men.  They did not have
good intel, but they did have poor planning.  They fucked up.  Even
in just the most basic military sense, they fucked up.  Excuses do
not justify body counts.

	And your excuses fall upon deaf ears when the same BATF
has shown shitty leadership despite more people, better weapons,
and exclusive use of armor against their targets.  BATF is nothing
more than a private army of the government.  Do the agents swear an
oath, as I did, to uphold the Constitution?  You know, that document
that stipulates the highest law of the land?  If they do, they should
be up for charges in a court of law.  Remember, the law?  That's
the whole reason for any of this.

	Yeah, I've been related to many of them.  This is flame-bait,
right?  I'm not paying your price.  Mind if I sight in my guns on
your body?  Think of it as the price you have to pay that we may all
live without fear of my making a stray shot.  It's fine and dandy to
revel in the other guy being the target and your supposed safety.  In
the military, we called this "chicken shit."  Leadership from the rear.
The War on Drugs, despite being a catchy term for nothing more than
a continuation of policy since before this century, seems to have
gotten you convinced that my rights aren't worth your good vibes.
Mind if I cut your net access, as well as access to any and all forms
of expression?  See, you make me nervous, what with you being able
to influence so many.  I'm sure you can see how this is the price we
have to pay for freedom and liberty in this country, as well as
a fair and unbiased judiciary.

	Mind if we include you in the body count?  I'm sure we could
all file it under "civic improvement" and your life wouldn't have
been sacrificed in vain.  If you like, you can will your estate to
defecit reduction, too.  Now, when you learn how the law protects, or
doesn't protect, everybody equally and how our collective boot may
one day be on your collective throat, perhaps at that time you will
mature enough to realize just what you're talking about and how
serious this is.

	Next time, include a smiley.  While I hesitate to think that
you could have meant this seriously, it deserved a small flame anyway.


Hello,
  I've been trying to bump map a gif onto a sphere for a while and I
can't seem to get it to work.  Image mapping works, but not bump
mapping.  Here's a simple file I was working with, could some kind
soul tell me whats wrong with this.....

#include "colors.inc"
#include "shapes.inc"
#include "textures.inc"

camera {
  location  <0 1 -3>
  direction <0 0 1.5>
  up        <0 1 0>
  right     <1.33 0 0>
  look_at   <0 1 2>
}

object { light_source { <2 4 -3> color White }
       }

object {
  sphere { <0 1 2> 1 }
   texture {
     bump_map { 1 <0 1 2> gif "surf.gif"}
   }
}

NOTE: surf.gif is a plasma fractal from Fractint that is using the
landscape palette map.

	Thanks in advance
	   -Daniel-


If anyone out there can help, I would greatly appreciate it.

This christmas, I built a computer out of used parts for my Father-in-law.
The disk drive that I installed was a Seagate 251-1 MFM.  Anyway, he now he
would like to put another HD into this system.  I DON'T want to buy another
MFM, the only reason why I used an MFM in the first place is that it was
FREE.  Would I need a special IDE HD controller?  Also, if I do need a
special IDE controller, where can I purchase one, & how much are they?

Please send any responses to:
lynn@vax1.mankato.msus.edu

					Thanks in advance,


Nikon FM-2n with 50 mm Nikkor and accessories for sale.I bought this camera in
Hong Kong two years ago and everything has been looked after very well. I'm now
selling some more gear to finance my next big film project.


The Roman Catholic conservatives are coming out in the open to line
up with Pat Robertson and his ultra Right Wing Christian Coalition.
Former Secretary of Education William Bennet, a Roman Catholic, stood
beside the Christian Coalition's spokesman Ralph Reed at a March 3
conference in Washington.  The purpose of the conference was to
publish results of a Christian Coalition poll which was designed
to prove that the Republican party would lose major support if it
backed away from the "Family Values" positons of the '92 convention.

Conservative Catholics have swung behind Robertson's organization
with political expertise, legal assistance and high tech communications
support.

The Catholic Campaign for  American, designed as a Catholic version
of the Moral Majority, was founded by Marlene Elwell and Tom Wykes.
Ms. Elwell has been with Robertson since the days of his Freedom
Council in 1985 and worked for him in his presidential bid in 1988.

Ms. Elwell was hired by Domino's Pizza magnate, Tom Monaghan, in 1989
to manage Legatus, a "nonpolitical", Catholic businessmen's group.
Membership is limited to Catholics who head corporations with a least $4
million in annual revenues.  Relying on a network of wealthy contacts
at Legatus, Elwell and Wykes had little trouble forming and funding the
Catholic Campaign.

The Campaign's list of national committee members includes U.S. Rep.
Robert K. Dornan, Phyllis Schlafly of the Eagle Forum, the lovely
Pat Buchanan and Rev. Richard J. Neuhaus.   Also on the national
committee is Keith Fournier, a Catholic who heads Pat Robertson's
American Center for Law and Justice.  Another Catholic, Thomas
Patrick Monaghan, senior counsel of Robertson's ACLJ, is also an
active supporter of the Catholic Campaign.

The board of directors includes Frank Shakespeare, broadcasting exec
and former U.S. ambassador to the Pope, Wall Street executive Frank
Lynch, former Reagan official Richard V. Allen, Bishop Rene Gracida
of Corpus Christi and Mary Ellen Bork, wife of unsuccessful Supreme
Court nominee Robert Bork.

In the Winter 1992 issue of _Campaign Update_ the organization's
quarterly newsletter, Rocco L. Martino, a Philadelphia business
that must finally be cast aside and replaced by the true meaning of
our constitution."

Oh yes, the organization's "national ecclesisatical advisor" is
Catholic politician Cardinal John J. O'Connor of New York.


_TOO_ many.


Archive-name: typing-injury-faq/general
Version: $Revision: 4.28 $ $Date: 1993/04/13 04:17:58 $

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
         Answers To Frequently Asked Questions about Typing Injuries
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Typing Injury FAQ -- sources of information for people with typing
injuries, repetitive stress injuries, carpal tunnel syndrome, etc.

Copyright 1992,1993 by Dan Wallach <dwallach@cs.berkeley.edu>

Many FAQs, including this one, are available on the archive site
pit-manager.mit.edu (alias rtfm.mit.edu) [18.172.1.27] in the directory
pub/usenet/news.answers.  The name under which a FAQ is archived appears
in the Archive-name line at the top of the article.  This FAQ is archived
as typing-injury-faq/general.Z

There's a mail server also.  Just e-mail mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu
with the word 'help' on a line by itself in the body.

The opinions in here are my own, unless otherwise mentioned, and do not
represent the opinions of any organization or vendor.  I'm not a medical
doctor, so my advice should be taken with many grains of salt.

[Current distribution: sci.med.occupational, sci.med, comp.human-factors,
 {news,sci,comp}.answers, and e-mail to c+health@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu,
 sorehand@vm.ucsf.edu, and cstg-L@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu]

Changes since previously distributed versions are marked with change        ||
bars to the right of the text, as is this paragraph.                        ||

Table of Contents:
    ==1== Mailing lists, newsgroups, etc.
    ==2== The soda.berkeley.edu archive
    ==3== General info on injuries
    ==4== Typing posture, ergonomics, prevention, treatment
    ==5== Requests for more info
    ==6== References

==1== Mailing lists, newsgroups, etc.

USENET News:
-----------
comp.human-factors occasionally has discussion about alternative input devices.
comp.risks has an occasional posting relevant to injuries via computers.
sci.med and misc.handicap also tend to have relevant traffic.

There's a Brand New newsgroup, sci.med.occupational, chartered specifically
to discuss these things.  This would be the recommended place to post.

Mailing lists:
-------------
The RSI Network: Available both on paper and via e-mail, this publication
    covers issues relevant to those with repetitive stress injuries.  For
    a sample issue and subscription information, send a stamped, self-
    addressed business envelope to Caroline Rose, 970 Paradise Way, Palo
    Alto CA 94306.

    E-mail to <crose@applelink.apple.com>

    $2 donation, requested.

    All RSI Network newsletters are available via anonymous ftp from
    soda.berkeley.edu (see below for details).

c+health and sorehand are both IBM Listserv things.  For those familiar
    with Listserv, here's the quick info:

    c+health -- subscribe to listserv@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu
		post to c+health@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu

    sorehand -- subscribe to listserv@vm.ucsf.edu
		post to sorehand@vm.ucsf.edu

Quick tutorial on subscribing to a Listserv:
    % mail listserv@vm.ucsf.edu
    Subject: Total Listserv Mania!

    SUBSCRIBE SOREHAND J. Random Hacker
    INFO ?
    .
That's all there is to it.  You'll get bunches of mail back from the Listserv,
including a list of other possible commands you can mail.  Cool, huh?  What'll
those BITNET people think of, next?

==2== The soda.berkeley.edu archive

I've started an archive site for info related to typing injuries.  Just
anonymous ftp to soda.berkeley.edu:pub/typing-injury.  (128.32.149.19)
Currently, you'll find:

Informative files:
    typing-injury-faq/
        general           -- information about typing injuries
        keyboards         -- products to replace your keyboard
        software          -- software to watch your keyboard usage
	changes		  -- changes since last month's edition (new!)	    ||

    keyboard-commentary   -- Dan's opinions on the keyboard replacements
    amt.advice		  -- about Adverse Mechanical Tension
    caringforwrists.sit.hqx -- PageMaker4 document about your wrists
    caringforwrists.ps	  -- PostScript converted version of above...
    carpal.info           -- info on Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
    carpal.explained	  -- very detailed information about CTS
    carpal.surgery	  -- JAMA article on CTS surgery
    carpal.tidbits	  -- TidBITS article on CTS
    tendonitis.info       -- info on Tendonitis
    rsi.biblio		  -- bibliography of RSI-related publications

    rsi-network/*         -- archive of the RSI Network newsletter
			     (currently, containing issues 1 through 11)    ||

    rsi.details		  -- long detailed information about RSI
    rsi.physical	  -- study showing RSI isn't just psychological

    Various product literature:

    apple-press		  -- press release on the Apple Adjustable Keyboard
    apple-tidbits	  -- extensive info about Apple's Adjustable Keybd
    bat-info		  -- MacWeek review on the Bat			    ||
    comfort-*		  -- marketing info on the Comfort Keyboard
    datahand-review	  -- detailed opinions of the DataHand
    datahand-review2	  -- follow-up to above
    datahand-desc	  -- description of the DataHand's appearance
    kinesis-review	  -- one user's personal opinions
    maltron-*		  -- marketing info on various Maltron products
    maltron-review	  -- one user's personal opinions
    vertical-info	  -- marketing info on the Vertical (new!)	    ||

Programs:
    (With the exception of accpak.exe, everything here is distributed as
     source to be compiled with a Unix system.  Some programs take advantage
     of the X window system, also.)

    hsh.shar		  -- a program for one-handed usage of normal keyboards
    typewatch.shar	  -- tells you when to take a break
    xdvorak.c		  -- turns your QWERTY keyboard into Dvorak
    xidle.shar		  -- keeps track of how long you've been typing
    rest-reminder.sh      -- yet another idle watcher
    kt15.tar  		  -- generates fake X keyboard events from the
			     serial port -- use a PC keyboard on anything!
			     (new improved version!)
    accpak.exe		  -- a serial port keyboard spoofer for MS Windows

    (Note: a2x.tar and rk.tar are both from export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/
     so they may have a more current version than soda.)

    a2x.tar  		  -- a more sophisticated X keyboard/mouse spoofing
			     program.  Supports DragonDictate.
			     (note: a new version is now available)	    ||
    rk.tar  		  -- the reactive keyboard -- predicts what you'll
			     type next -- saves typing

Pictures (in the gifs subdirectory):
    howtosit.gif	  -- picture of good sitting posture
			     (the caringforwrists document is better for this)

    accukey1.gif	  -- fuzzy picture
    accukey2.gif	  -- fuzzy picture with somebody using it
    apple.gif		  -- the Apple Adjustable Keyboard		    ||
    bat.gif               -- the InfoGrip Bat
    comfort.gif           -- the Health Care Comfort Keyboard
    datahand1.gif	  -- fuzzy picture
    datahand2.gif	  -- key layout schematic
    datahand3.gif	  -- a much better picture of the datahand
    flexpro.gif		  -- the Key Tronic FlexPro keyboard		    ||
    kinesis1.gif          -- the Kinesis Ergonomic Keyboard
    kinesis2.gif	  -- multiple views of the Kinesis		    ||
    maltron[1-4].gif      -- several pictures of Maltron products
    mikey1.gif            -- the MIKey
    mikey2.gif            -- Schematic Picture of the MIKey
    tony.gif		  -- The Tony! Ergonomic Keysystem		    ||
    twiddler1.gif	  -- "front" view
    twiddler2.gif	  -- "side" view
    vertical.gif	  -- the Vertical keyboard			    ||
    wave.gif		  -- the Iocomm `Wave' keyboard

Many files are compressed (have a .Z ending).  If you can't uncompress a file
locally, soda will do it.  Just ask for the file, without the .Z extension.

If you're unable to ftp to soda, send me e-mail and we'll see what we
can arrange.

==3== General info on injuries

First, and foremost of importance: if you experience pain at all, then
you absolutely need to go see a doctor.  As soon as you possibly can.  The
difference of a day or two can mean the difference between a short recovery
and a long, drawn-out ordeal.  GO SEE A DOCTOR.  Now, your garden-variety
doctor may not necessarily be familiar with this sort of injury.  Generally,
any hospital with an occupational therapy clinic will offer specialists in
these kinds of problems.  DON'T WAIT, THOUGH.  GO SEE A DOCTOR.

The remainder of this information is paraphrased, without permission, from
a wonderful report by New Zealand's Department of Labour (Occupational
Safety and Health Service): "Occupational Overuse Syndrome. Treatment and
Rehabilitation: A Practitioner's Guide".

First, a glossary (or, fancy names for how you shouldn't have your hands):
(note: you're likely to hear these terms from doctors and keyboard vendors :)

  RSI: Repetitive Strain Injury - a general term for many kinds of injuries
  OOS: Occupational Overuse Syndrome -- synonym for RSI
  CTD: Cumulative Trauma Disorder -- another synonym for RSI
  WRULD: Work-Related Upper Limb Disorders -- yet another synonym for RSI
  CTS: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome (see below)
  Hyperextension:  Marked bending at a joint.
  Pronation: Turning the palm down.
  Wrist extension: Bending the wrist up.
  Supination: Turning the palm up.
  Wrist flexion: Bending the wrist down.
  Pinch grip: The grip used for a pencil.
  Ulnar deviation: Bending the wrist towards the little finger.
  Power grip: The grip used for a hammer.
  Radial Deviation: Bending the wrist toward the thumb.
  Abduction: Moving away from the body.
  Overspanning: Opening the fingers out wide.

Now then, problems come in two main types: Local conditions and diffuse
conditions.  Local problems are what you'd expect: specific muscles,
tendons, tendon sheaths, nerves, etc. being inflamed or otherwise hurt.
Diffuse conditions, often mistaken for local problems, can involve muscle
discomfort, pain, burning and/or tingling; with identifiable areas of
tenderness in muscles, although they're not necessarily "the problem."

--- Why does Occupational Overuse Syndrome occur?  Here's the theory.

Normally, your muscles and tendons get blood through capillaries which
pass among the muscle fibers.  When you tense a muscle, you restrict
the blood flow.  By the time you're exerting 50% of your full power,
you're completely restricting your blood flow.

Without fresh blood, your muscles use stored energy until they run out,
then they switch to anaerobic (without oxygen) metabolism, which generates
nasty by-products like lactic acid, which cause pain.

Once one muscle hurts, all its neighbors tense up, perhaps to relieve the
load.  This makes sense for your normal sort of injury, but it only makes
things worse with repetitive motion.  More tension means less blood flow,
and the cycle continues.

Another by-product of the lack of blood flow is tingling and numbness from
your nerves.  They need blood too.

Anyway, when you're typing too much, you're never really giving a change
for the blood to get back where it belongs, because your muscles never
relax enough to let the blood through.  Stress, poor posture, and poor
ergonomics, only make things worse.

--- Specific injuries you may have heard of:

(note: most injuries come in two flavors: acute and chronic.  Acute
injuries are severely painful and noticable.  Chronic conditions have
less pronounced symptoms but are every bit as real.)

Tenosynovitis -- an inflamation of the tendon sheath.  Chronic tenosynovitis
occurs when the repetitive activity is mild or intermittent: not enough to
cause acute inflamation, but enough to exceed the tendon sheath's ability
to lubricate the tendon.  As a result, the tendon sheath thickens, gets
inflamed, and you've got your problem.

Tendonitis -- an inflammation of a tendon.  Repeated tensing of a tendon
can cause inflamation.  Eventually, the fibers of the tendon start separating,
and can even break, leaving behind debris which induces more friction, more
swelling, and more pain.  "Sub-acute" tendonitis is more common, which entails
a dull ache over the wrist and forearm, some tenderness, and it gets worse
with repetitive activity.

Carpal Tunnel Syndrome -- the nerves that run through your wrist into your
fingers get trapped by the inflamed muscles around them.  Symptoms include
feeling "pins and needles", tingling, numbness, and even loss of sensation.
CTS is often confused for a diffuse condition.

Adverse Mechanical Tension -- also known as 'neural tension', this is where
the nerves running down to your arm have become contracted and possibly
compressed as a result of muscle spasms in the shoulders and elsewhere.
AMT can often misdiagnosed as or associated with one of the other OOS
disorders.  It is largely reversible and can be treated with physiotherapy
(brachial plexus stretches and trigger point therapy).

Others: for just about every part of your body, there's a fancy name for
a way to injure it.  By now, you should be getting an idea of how OOS
conditions occur and why.  Just be careful: many inexperienced doctors
misdiagnose problems as Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, when in reality, you
may have a completely different problem.  Always get a second opinion
before somebody does something drastic to you (like surgery).

==4== Typing posture, ergonomics, prevention, treatment

The most important element of both prevention and recovery is to reduce
tension in the muscles and tendons.  This requires learning how to relax.
If you're under a load of stress, this is doubly important.  Tune out
the world and breath deep and regular.  Relaxing should become a guiding
principle in your work: every three minutes take a three second break.
EVERY THREE MINUTES, TAKE A THREE SECOND BREAK.  Really, do it every
three minutes.  It's also helpful to work in comfortable surroundings,
calm down, and relax.

If you can't sleep, you really need to focus on this.  Rest, sleep, and
relaxation are really a big deal.

There are all kinds of other treatments, of course.  Drugs can reduce
inflamation and pain.  Custom-molded splints can forcefully prevent bad
posture.  Surgery can fix some problems.  Exercise can help strengthen
your muscles.  Regular stretching can help prevent injury.  Good posture
and a good ergonomic workspace promote reduced tension.  Ice or hot-cold
contrast baths also reduce swelling.  Only your doctor can say what's best
for you.

--- Posture -- here are some basic guidelines.  [I so liked the way this was
written in the New Zealand book that I'm lifting it almost verbatim from
Appendix 10. -- dwallach]

. Let your shoulders relax.
. Let your elbows swing free.
. Keep your wrists straight.
. Pull your chin in to look down - don't flop your head forward.
. Keep the hollow in the base of your spine.
. Try leaning back in the chair.
. Don't slouch or slump forward.
. Alter your posture from time to time.
. Every 20 minutes, get up and bend your spine backward.

Set the seat height, first.  Your feet should be flat on the floor.  There
should be no undue pressure on the underside of your thighs near the knees,
and your thighs should not slope too much.

Now, draw yourself up to your desk and see that its height is comfortable
to work at.  If you are short, this may be impossible.  The beest remedy
is to raise the seat height and prevent your legs from dangling by using a
footrest.

Now, adjust the backrest height so that your buttocks fit into the space
between the backrest and the seat pan.  The backrest should support you in
the hollow of your back, so adjust its tilt to give firm support in this
area.

If you operate a keyboard, you will be able to spend more time leaning
back, so experiment with a chair with a taller backrest, if available.

[Now, I diverge a little from the text]

A good chair makes a big difference.  If you don't like your chair, go
find a better one.  You really want adjustments for height, back angle,
back height, and maybe even seat tilt.  Most arm rests seem to get in
the way, although some more expensive chairs have height adjustable arm
rests which you can also rotate out of the way.  You should find a good
store and play with all these chairs -- pick one that's right for you.
In the San Francisco Bay Area, I highly recommend "Just Chairs."  The
name says it all.

--- Keyboard drawers, wrist pads, and keyboard replacements:

There is a fair amount of controvery on how to get this right.  For some
people, wrist pads seem to work wonders.  However, with good posture, you
shouldn't be resting your wrists on anything -- you would prefer your
keyboard to be "right there".  If you drop your arms at your side and then
lift your hands up at the elbow, you want your keyboard under your hands
when your elbows are at about 90 degrees.  Of course, you want to avoid
pronation, wrist extension, and ulnar deviation at all costs.  Wrist pads
may or may not help at this.  You should get somebody else to come and
look at how you work: how you sit, how you type, and how you relax.  It's
often easier for somebody else to notice your hunched shoulders or
deviated hands.

Some argue that the normal, flat keyboard is antiquated and poorly
designed.  A number of replacements are available, on the market, today.
Check out the accompanying typing-injury-faq/keyboards for much detail.

==5== Requests for more info

Clearly, the above information is incomplete.  The typing-injury archive
is incomplete.  There's always more information out there.  If you'd like
to submit something, please send me mail, and I'll gladly throw it in.

If you'd like to maintain a list of products or vendors, that would be
wonderful!  I'd love somebody to make a list of chair/desk vendors.  I'd
love somebody to make a list of doctors.  I'd love somebody to edit the
above sections, looking for places where I've obviously goofed.

==6== References

I completely rewrote the information section here, using a wonderful
guide produced in New Zealand by their Occupational Safety & Health
Service, a service of their Department of Labour.  Special thanks
to the authors: Wigley, Turner, Blake, Darby, McInnes, and Harding.

Semi-bibliographic reference:
    . Occupational Overuse Syndrome
    . Treatment and Rehabilitation:
      A Practitioner's Guide

    Published by the Occupational Safety and Health Service
    Department of Labour
    Wellington,
    New Zealand.

    First Edition: June 1992
    ISBN 0-477-3499-3

    Price: $9.95 (New Zealand $'s, of course)

Thanks to Richard Donkin <richardd@hoskyns.co.uk> for reviewing this posting.


Greetings.

I am developing an application that allows a *user* to interactively
create/edit/view a visual "model" (i.e. topology) of their network, and
I was wondering if anyone knew of any builder tools that exist to
simplify this task.

In the past I have used Visual Edge's UIM/X product to develop other
GUIs, so I am familiar with UIMSs in general.

The topology will support objects and connecting links.  Once the
topology is created, I want to provide the user with capabilities to
support grouping, zooming, etc.

I am looking for some form of a higher abstraction other than X drawing
routines to accomplish this.  Specifically, the zooming and grouping
aspects may prove difficult, and certainly time consuming,  if I have
to "roll my own".

Suggestions?

-greg


Hi!

Could anyone tell me if it's possible to save each frame
of a .gl (grasp) animation to .gif, .jpg, .iff or any other
picture formats.

(I've got some animations that I'd like to transfer to my Amiga)

I really hope that someone can help me.

Cheers


Gannon, why don't you tell the readers of these newsgroups
how you hail Nazism on your BBS, and post long articles
claiming non-Whites are inferior?

# THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE

The Museum is entirely funded by private donations, but don't
expect this fact to deter "Maynard".

BTW, Gannon's ideological fathers also had a passion for constructing
museums and collections, some of which served to educate the
public about the racial supremacy of the Aryans. One such
collection was that of skeletons, and there was no lack of these
around:

Letter from SS-Standartenfuehrer Sievers to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer
Dr. Brandt, November 2 1942
["Trial of the Major War Criminals", p. 520]
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Comarade Brandt,

As you know, the Reichsfuehrer-SS has directed that
SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Prof. Dr. Hirt be supplied with everything
needed for his research work. For certain anthropological
researches - I already reported to the Reichsfuehrer-SS on
them - 150 skeletons of prisoners, or rather Jews, are
required, which are to be supplied by the KL Auschwitz.

However, the good Doctor needed some more items to complete his
research:

Testimony of Magnus Wochner, SS guard at the Natzweiler Concentration
Camp
["The Natzweiler Trial", Edited by Anthony M. Webb, p. 89]
--------------------------------------------------------------------
... I recall particularly one mass execution when about 90 prisoners
(60 men and 30 women), all Jews, were killed by gassing. This took
place, as far as I can remember, in spring 1944. In this case the
corpses were sent to Professor Hirt of the department of Anatomy in
Strasbourg.


Can't guarantee that it'll work for everyone, but I finally fixed my mouse
jumpiness problems: I installed a bus mouse. (Sorry, I didn't say the solution
was free.) In the past I'd tried everything with my Microsoft serial mouse.
(Cleaning it, unloading all kinds of TSRs, turning off SMARTDRV write
cacheing, changing COM ports, ...) Nothing worked. Yesterday I finally broke
down and bought a Mouse Systems Bus Mouse. The improvement is even better
than I had imagined! So much so that my old mouse must have been jumpy
all the time (I just thought it was jumpy sometimes), and I had gotten so
used to it I didn't notice. My wife, who uses the computer about once a
month, noticed the improvement literally within a second!

I can't say anything about other bus mice, but with the Mouse Systems
one you'll have to give up either COM2 or LPT2 to an IRQ. Also, if you
don't know, Mouse Systems mice have three buttons. The driver includes
a utility that lets you assign keystrokes to the middle button.

Hope this helps someone else. If you're anywhere near as frustrated as I
was, it's well worth the $80.

---


This claim was made when someone spotted training film footage spliced into
the footage of the actual spacewalk.


stuff deleted...


Well, thanks to everyone who has entered so far.  There are at least 40
entries, and hopefully more people will enter before the deadline, which
is 7:30 pm Today, Sunday, April 18, 1993!  In the interest of fairness,
since I will win anyway, I feel it is only right to actually tell everyone
my picks, so that you all won't cry "rigged" after I declare myself the
winner.  Here they are:

	Series			Your Pick		Games

   Division Semifinals

Pittsburgh-New Jersey		Pittsburgh		5
Washington-NY Islanders	NY Islanders		6

Boston-Buffalo			Boston			5
Quebec-Montreal			Quebec			7

Chicago-St. Louis		Chicago			4
Detroit-Toronto			Detroit			6

Vancouver-Winnipeg		Winnipeg		7
Calgary-Los Angeles		Calgary			7

   Division Finals

Patrick				Pittsburgh		6
Adams				Quebec			7
Norris				Chicago			7
Smythe				Calgary

   Conference Finals

Wales				Pittsburgh		5
Campbell			Chicago			4

Stanley Cup winner		Pittsburgh		6

--
    Keith Keller				LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
						LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!
	kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu		IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!


Has anyone successfully converted Interleaf graphics to CGM, or even heard
of it being done????

We'd love to hear about it.

-Mike McConnell


i'm telling you, sam, three l's.  call up mom and ask.


+
+I love the idea of an inflatable 1-mile long sign.... It will be a
+really neat thing to see it explode when a bolt  (or even better, a
+Westford Needle!) comes crashing into it at 10 clicks a sec.
+
Pageos and two Echo balloons were inflated with a substance
which expanded in vacuum. Once inflated the substance was no longer
needed since there is nothing to cause the balloon to collapse.
This inflatable structure could suffer multiple holes with no
disastrous deflation.


Kratz comments above show otherwise.

Bingo - now the question is, does the Glock's qualify?  Let's see
the evidence that Kratz uses.

But first an aside.  Having an air gun proves nothing.  Moreover,
my comments are based on what Kratz writes.  He's free to argue that
he babbles in text but actually knows something off-line.

Harder than what?  I note that almost all revolvers work the same way,
so it can't be "harder than revolvers".

Sure they can.  (Moreover, we know now that Kratz' sample is
unrepresentative.)  We can look at the reasoning.  It is basically
"these Glocks are dangerous because they're not like my 1911/S&W third
generation."  Part of that is true, but since those same people don't
claim that revolvers, which share the relevant property, are
dangerous, we see that the argument fails.

Why would I care?  I'm not looking for more bogus reasoning.

One can make hundreds of simple statements without having anyone
"getting right on your ass".  One merely has to make accurate simple
statements.  Then you get "attaboy"s by mail and publically.

Accuracy is a severe burden, but most of us manage it.

-andy


Hi all you Ryno fans (and those interested...)
Todays Chicago Tribune had this written in it today in regards to
Ryne Sandberg...

"Ryne Sandberg is ahead of schedule in his recovery from a broken
left hand and could be back in the lineup by May 1, manager Jim
Lefebvre said Friday.
Doctors cleared Sandberg to swing a padded bat at a ball in his
gloved hand.
'' I'm not surprised his rehabilitation has been moved up,'' said
Lefebvre.  '' He's a fast healer, and he doesn't like being on the
disabled list.  He's been running since he was hurt [March 5] and
is in the best shape of his life.  May 1 is his target date for
getting back in the lineup."

Hold on to your hats Cub fans...more later as information
presents itself.


...

I don't know anything about a "sunkbd" patch, but I use the following
.Xmodmap file (run from .xinitrc via "xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap", of course) for
my Type-5 UNIX keyboard:  (It's a bit "brute force", however.)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
!
! Sun Type-5 UNIX keyboard remappings
!
! This remaps the arrow keys properly
!
! By default, the arrow keys on the keypad (Shift-8 = Up, Shift-4 = Left,
! Shift-6 = Right, and Shift-2 = Down) work, but the arrow keys are not
! assigned to any keysym
!
keycode 27 = Up
keycode 31 = Left
keycode 34 = Down
keycode 35 = Right

!
! Now we want the Back Space key to emit the "Delete" keysym
!
keycode 50 = Delete

!
! Other random mappings that aren't on by default
!
! SysRq/Print Screen key
keycode 29 = SunSys_Req Print
! Break/Pause key
keycode 28 = Break Pause
! Alt Graph key
keycode 20 = Mode_switch
! PageUp key
keycode 103 = Prior
! PageDown key
keycode 130 = Next
! Insert key
keycode 51 = Insert
!
! Home, End keys = ???
!
! Open Look Functions
!
! Stop key (SunStop keysym == Cancel)
keycode 8 = SunStop
! Again key (SunAgain == Redo)
keycode 10 = SunAgain
! Props key
keycode 32 = SunProps
! Undo key (SunUndo == Undo)
keycode 33 = SunUndo
! Front key
keycode 56 = SunFront
! Copy key
keycode 58 = SunCopy
! Open key
keycode 79 = SunOpen
! Paste key
keycode 80 = SunPaste
! Find key (SunFind == Find)
keycode 102 = SunFind
! Cut key
keycode 104 = SunCut


I used HP DeskJet with Orange Micros Grappler LS on System6.0.5.

But now I update system 6.0.5 to System7 with Kanji-Talk 7.1,
then I can not print by my DeskJet.

Is the Grappler LS old ?
Can I use DeskJet on System7 ?

Please tell me how to use DeskJet on System7.

Thank you


ites:
 Yeah, and the cop couldn't catch me.....


I'm thinking about getting a Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM and hooking it up
through the SCSI port on a Media Vision Pro Audio Spectrum sound board.
Does anybody have this configuration out there?  If so, does it work?

For anybody in general who has the Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM drive, have you
had any hadware problems?  Door not opening, scratched disks, door not
closing (getting stuck or not closing all the way), CD holder jamming
and any other CD related problems.

Thanks in Advance


Ford had an anemic mid-sized car by that name back in the last decade.
I rented one once.  That car would ruin the name "Zephyr" for any other
use.

Rod


Are there any PDS expansion cards out there that specifically take
advantage of the LCIII's 32 bit data path and 25MHz clock speed? If
they exist, are they significantly faster than the LC/LCII versions?


The American people didn't have any problem with it too (Clinton). Actually I
think that it does not make any difference as long as they have the
qualifications to become leaders. BTW in my political view I hope  (and should be
the Arab hope too) that Binyamin Netanyahu will not be ellected as prime minister
of Israel.

Naftaly

----


#
# I think the original post was searching for existing implementations of
# f.i. Gouroud-shading of triangles. This is fairly complex to do with plain
# X. Simpler shading models are implemented already, f.i. in x3d (ask archie
# where to get the latest version).
# For Gouroud, a fast implementation will be possible utilizing some extension
# only, either MIT-SHM to do the shade in an image and fast update the window
# with it, or PEX/OpenGL which should be able to shade themselves. The portable
# 'vanilla X' way would be to shade in a normal XImage and use XPutImage(),
# what would be good enough to do static things as f.i. fractal landscapes
# or such stuff.
#
# To speak about POVRay, the X previewer that comes with the original source
# package is not that good, especially in speed, protocol-friendlyness and
# ICCCM compliance. Have a look on x256q, my own preview code. It is on
#
# 141.76.1.11:pub/gfx/ray/misc/x256q/
#
# The README states the points where it is better than xwindow.c from
# POVRay 1.0
#

The version I have is using the x256q code instead of the default X Windows
code.  I have it currently running on a DEC Alpha running OpenVMS AXP and
so far have been pretty impressed.  The only "side-effect" of x256q is that
it requires xstdcmap -best be run before it will work, annoyning but not a
show stopper.

Patrick L. Mahan

--- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM ---------


Web of Spiderman--Auction List

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This set will be auctioned as a complete set (if there is enough interest).
The books have been quickly evaluated for grade.

All books are VF+ to NM unless noted below (These were ascertained when putting
the books into new bags with boards (2 books per bag)):

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cover, dinks in spine; 13-slight tear-edge front cover; 14-spine dinged up;
15-cover/pages crinkled from humidity; 19-crinkled form water damage; 21-cover
not flat; 22-shipping smudge on cover; 28-spine dinked up; 30-3 small dinks in
spine; 33-spine dinks; 35-tiny crease top left corner of cover; 38-dinks in
spine; 43-paper clip mark; 45- 2 small spine dinks; 47-slight spine roll, spine
dinks; 52-back cover crease; 92-cover wrinkled; Annual 1-slight spine roll,
cover marks

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The successful bidder (assuming there is one) will have the books sent UPS,
COD-cash or money order.  $6.50 will be added to the total successful bid to
cover these charges, so bid accordingly.

Thanks


]"Get the organization to act on it" is easy to say, but says little
]about what one really can and should do.  What the organization
]actually will do is largely determined by the president and directors,
]as far as I can see.  That's what makes it so important to vote in an
]election of officers.

if I remember right, I heard that in the last election, only 18% of the
members actually cast votes. I wonder if the current board and their
friends and relatives make up 18% of the membership :-) :-)  I certainly
plan on staying with the club long enough to vote and to see the results.

]It does strike me that the BMWMOA is a lot less politically active (in
]the state and national arenas, not infighting) than other M/C
]organizations.  Should we change this?  Or just join the other groups
]that already are in politics?

I wouldn't support the MOA becoming politically active in that sense.
the AMA already knows how to do that and I'd rather see the MOA support
the AMA in a manner that the *AMA* needs. I think that more could be
accomplished from one strong front rather than two not neccessarily
coordinated ones.


This list is published every week in Baseball Weekly.
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Brian Curran                 Mead Data Central              brian@meaddata.com


Alan Sepinwall writes

George will do the only logical thing he can do when the Yanks' bullpen isn't
performing -- fire the manager.


THE WHITE HOUSE

                    Office of the Press Secretary
______________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release                             April 15, 1993

                       REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
                   TO LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATIONS

                           The Rose Garden

2:52 P.M. EDT

	     THE PRESIDENT:  Good afternoon.  Ladies and gentlemen,
two months ago I presented a comprehensive plan to reduce our
national deficit and to increase our investment in the American
people, their jobs and their economic future.  The federal budget
plan passed Congress in record time, and created a new sense of hope
and opportunity in the country.

	     Then, the short-term jobs plan I presented to Congress,
which would create a half a million jobs in the next two years passed
the House of Representatives two weeks ago.  It now has the support
of a majority of the United States Senate.

	     All of these members of Congress know it's time to get
the economy moving again, to get job growth going again, to get a
fast start on the investments we need to build a lasting prosperity.
Unfortunately, a minority of the members of the United States Senate
have used gridlock tactics to prevent their colleagues from working
the will of the majority on the jobs bill.

	     When Congress returns, I ask every senator from every
state and from both parties to remember what is at stake.  The issue
is not politics, it's people.  Sixteen million of them are looking
for full-time jobs and can't find them.  These men and women don't
care about who's up or down in Washington.  They care about paying
the rent and meeting the mortgage payment, about putting food on the
table and buying shoes for their children, about regaining a sense of
dignity that comes from doing a day's work and supporting their
families and drawing a paycheck.

	     They're asking those of us who have the privilege of
serving to put aside politics and do something now to move our
economy forward.  I am prepared to do that.  And I have been working
with the Senate to come up with an adjusted package that meets some
of the concerns of those who have been blocking action on the jobs
plan.  I'm willing to compromise, so long as we keep the focus on
jobs, keep the focus on growth and keep the focus on meeting unmet
national needs.

	     Our opponents have been asking for a smaller package.
Today I ask them to join me in determining exactly what kind and what
size package Congress can approve that actually meets the needs of
the American people.

	     But even as we make those reductions and the package
will be smaller, I believe we must address problems that are on the
minds of millions of Americans, and one in particular, and that is
the need to toughen law enforcement in our society to deal with the
dramatic rise in violent crime.

	     So I will ask, even in this reduced package, for an
additional $200 million in federal funding to help local communities
to rehire police officers who have been laid off because of the
fiscal problems caused by the national recession.  Together, with a
matching effort by local governments, this could put as many as
10,000 police officers back on the job, and back on the beat in
communities all across our nation.

	     At a time when too many of our people live in fear of
violent crime, when too many businesses have closed and too many
people have lost their jobs because people are afraid to leave their
homes, rehiring thousands of officers is one of the best investments
America can make.  And I ask both Houses of Congress to make that
investment in our people's safety and in their piece of mind.

	     I believe in the need for strong federal action to keep
the economy going toward recovery and to create jobs.  Make no
mistake about it:  I will fight for these priorities as hard as I
ever have.  I will never forget that the people sent me here to fight
for their jobs, their future and for fundamental change.

	     I want to thank the police officers who are here today
and tell you that not a single one of them knew before they came here
that I had determined to ask for more money in this jobs bill to
rehire police officers.  They came here because they believe in the
summer jobs portion of the package.  And I want them to be free to
talk about that.  They came here not out of any law enforcement
concern other than the fact that they wanted the kids in this country
to have a chance to have jobs this summer, to have safer streets and
a brighter and more peaceful future.

	     I say what I say today not just because it's good for
law enforcement but because it's good for the people who live in
these communities.  I have always supported community policing not
only because it helps to prevent crime and to lower the crime rate,
but because it cements better relationships between people in law
enforcement and the people that they're hired to protect.  It reduces
the chances of abusive action by police officers and increases the
chances of harmony and safe streets at the same time.

	     These are the kinds of things that we are trying to do.
I promised in my campaign that I'd do everything I could to put
another 100,000 police officers on the street over the next four
years.  This makes a good downpayment on that.  This keeps in mind
the core of the jobs package.  And this will help us to move forward.

	     So I ask the people in the Senate who have blocked the
jobs bill, let's work together.  I can accept a reduced package if
you will increase your commitment to safe streets.  I do not accept
the fact that we should reduce our commitment to summer jobs or to
building our infrastructure or to doing those other things that will
create real and lasting  prosperity for our people.  I have done my
part now to end the gridlock; I ask you to do yours.

	     I want now to give the people who are here with me on
the platform a chance to make some remarks and to be heard by the
American people -- beginning with Janet Reno, the distinguished
Attorney General.

	     *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *

	     Q	  Mr. President, can you tell us -- do you think that
the jobs package could be put in further jeopardy by controversy over
the suggestion of a VAT tax at this point in the congressional
dialogue?

	     THE PRESIDENT:  Not at all.  I think it should have --
they wouldn't have any relationship one to the other.  First of all,
I made absolutely no decision on that.  You should know that there's
a lot of support in the business community and the labor community --
people have asked us to consider that because of the enormous burden
of the present system on many of our major employers, particularly
many of those that we depend upon to generate jobs and to carry the
strength of this economy.  But I have made absolutely no decision
that would even approach that on that or any other kind of general
tax.

	     Q	  Do you personally believe that the American public
is ready to pay for -- to have another tax to pay for health care?  I
mean, apart from what business and labor leaders have said --

	     THE PRESIDENT:  I'm not going to speculate on that.  I
will say this:  The real issue is how quickly we can recycle the
benefits of all the savings to cover the cost.  I mean, that is --
everyone knows that if you do what we're proposing to do, if you
streamline the insurance system, if you fix the system so that
there's no longer an enormous economic incentive to over-utilize or
over-provide certain services, if you provide primary and preventive
care in places where it isn't now, every single analysis shows
absolutely massive savings to the health care system.

	     The real question is whether you can transfer those
savings to cover those who have no coverage now or those who have
virtually no coverage so that you provide people the security.  I
have no idea.  The polls say that, but I don't know.  All I know is
the polls that I see in the press that many of you have commissioned,
they say overwhelmingly the American people want the security of an
affordable health care system.

	     But I don't think that has anything to do with this
stimulus, and it certainly shouldn't have.  People want a job first
and foremost.  They want that more than anything else.

	     Q	  Now that you've announced your willingness to
compromise on the stimulus package, can you tell us what parts of
your package you consider vital and uncompromisable?  I assume summer
jobs is one.

	     THE PRESIDENT:  I want the summer jobs; I want the
highway program and I want the police program.  I still intend -- let
me say this:  I still intend to fully and aggressively push the crime
bill, which did not pass the Congress last year.  This is a
supplement to that, not a substitute for it in any way.  But I think
we need to do that.

	     I think we need the Ryan White funds because of the
enormous health care burdens to the communities that are inordinately
and disproportionately affected by the problems of caring for people
with AIDS.  And there are several other things that I think should be
done.  We have to do the Agriculture Department meat inspectors; the
safety of the public depends on that.

	     There are a number of other things that I don't -- I
don't think any of it should be cut, but I have given Senator
Mitchell and Senator Byrd -- I talked to them.  And Senator Dole
called me yesterday to discuss this, and I told him that I would call
him back.  I called him back last night in New Hampshire and we
discussed this.  And I basically asked them to talk today, and said
that I would not make any statements about any specifics until at
least they had a chance to talk to see whether or not they could
reach some accord.

	     So I don't want to be any more specific than I have been
already, and let's see if they can talk it out.

	     Q	  When you talked to Senator Dole and Senator
Mitchell did you tell them about your -- increase also, that $200
million, that you want that as part of the package?

	     THE PRESIDENT:  I did -- I told Senator -- I left word
for Senator Mitchell last night about it.  When I talked to Senator
Dole -- I don't remember for sure -- I do not believe I mentioned it.
But I did tell him that I was prepared to reduce the package and I
wanted to break the gridlock, and I told him that I was working on a
reformulation of it so that -- in the hope that it would become even
more focused on jobs and the kinds of issues that I thought the
American people wanted us to address.  And this is certainly
consistent with that.

	     Thank you.


-*----

The two commandments *are* rules; they are merely rules that are
so vague that they are practically devoid of meaning.  Michael
Siemon acknowledges this every time he writes that the resolution
of an argument over them turns on secular and cultural
assumptions that are independent of these rules.

The commandment to love your neighbor as yourself can be viewed,
in part, as reminding man that he is not God and cannot act as if
he has "ultimate responsibility." Indeed, many traditions present
an interpretation where believers are supposed to interpret
loving one's neighbor as following various other rules, and
relying on their god to make things come out right, precisely
because it would be wrong for man to assume such "ultimate
responsibility." Once again, we are confronted with good sounding
goo that means whatever the reader wants it to mean.

And who is to say that this interpretation is "twisted"?  There
are many passages in the Bible that in their most straightforward
reading show the Christian god behaving in just this way.
Michael cannot refer to "base" claims or base commandments to
show that such readings are "twisted," because this divergence in
understanding occurs even in trying to interpret the "base"
claims and commandments.  In addressing conservative Christians,
Michael will necessarily draw upon secular and cultural notions
that these conservative Christians will reject.

But these base commandments are too vague to serve as  "a
principle for the CRITIQUE of ethical systems." The meaning of
these base commandments for any believer derives from the secular
and cultural notions that the believer brings to them, from how
the believer mixes their demands with straightforward readings of
other Biblical passages, from a particular sectarian tradition,
or from some combination of these things.  These commandments
lack sufficient substance in themself to serve as a basis for
criticizing ethical systems.  What meaning they have comes from
the ethical system the believer brings to these commandments.

Jesus explicitly states that this summarizes Jewish law, which
would seem to bring in all of it if we properly understand what
it means to love God and love our neighbors.  There are *many*
parables and teachings the gospels attribute to Jesus that are
straightforwardly read as ethical commandments.  The Pauline
epistles are similarly full.  If it is not clear that these all
come together in a sensible understanding of ethical behavior,
the problem is *not* a lack of raw material.

-*----

No, Michael, the conservative Christians also take the gospel
seriously.  What differentiates you is the way you interpret the
gospel.

In a sense, the wide variety of interpretations does tell us
something about Christianity.  It tells us that the New Testament
authors left a sufficiently vague hodge-podge that it can serve
as the source text for many, vastly different beliefs about the
nature of the Christian god and about what men should and
shouldn't do.

The irony here is that there is *nothing* in Christianity per
se that Michael can use to support the cause of lesbians and
gays.  *Every* Christian principle he turns to this cause is
effective only through the extra-Christian principles through
which Michael interprets his religion, and the homophobes apply
the *same* Christian principles, with equal justification, to
their cause.  In short, it is the extra-Christian principles that
make Michael's Christianity beneficial, and I suspect they would
be as beneficial, perhaps moreso, without being filtered by
Christian interpretation.

Michael paints a picture of "standard American atheism" as the
rejection of the evil in many conservative Christian
interpretations of the Bible.  But I think it is even more
damaging to Christianity to note that the New Testament presents
such a vague hodge-podge of notions about the nature of God and
the nature of the good (except, of course, when it is ordered by
an interpretation that relies on extraneous principles).  Here, I
think we should apply a Christian parable, where a cold drink can
have its value and a hot drink can have its value, but the
lukewarm we should spit out.


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} }   Hey,
}
} }   could somebody tell me, how it is possible to work with the mouse
} }   in a NON-Windows application, which runs in an window. We use
} }   MS-WINDOWS 3.1 and have CLIPPER applications. Exists there any
} }   routines or something else ? Please mail me your informations.
}
} }   Thanks for your efforts,
}
} }     Oliver
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} } FAX  : +49 711 685 2010                            7000 Stuttgart 80
} } EMAIL: wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de
}
} Very simple.  You have to have the MOUSE.COM or MOUSE.SYS loaded in DOS
} before you run Windows.  Note that you don't need to have these files loaded
} to use the mouse in Windows.

... and you need a video driver which is completely Windows 3.1 compatible, and
your mouse driver has to be completely compatible as well.  Not quite so simple.
(I never could get my logitech mouse to work 100% in a DOS window with my
old Paradise card:  now I have a Diamond SS24X and the 6.2 mouse drivers, and
everything works perfectly).


DEC did this on their new alpha chip.  I'm sure you could call them up
and ask them how they did it (haha).

Actually, there are some details in their article in IEEE Journal of
Solid-State Circuits.  I think it was sometime around Nov.  1992.


	I'm not sure who the "original respondent" was but to
reiterate cones respond to particular portions of the spectrum, just
as _rods_ respond to certain parts of the visible spectrum (bluegreen
in our case, reddish in certain amphibia), just as the hoseshoe crab
_Limulus polyphemus_ photoreceptors respond to a certain portion of
the spectrum etc.  It is a common misconception to confound wavelength
specificity with being color sensitive, however the two are not
synonymous.
	So in sum and to beat a dead horse:
	(1) When the outputs of a cone are matched for number of
absorbed photons _irrespective_ of the absorbed photons wavelength,
the cone outputs are _indistinguishable_.
	(2) Cones are simply detectors with different spectral
sensitivities and are not any more "color sensitive" than are rods,
ommatidia or other photoreceptors.
	(3) Color vision arises because outputs of receptors which
sample different parts of the spectrum (cones in this case) are
"processed centrally".  (The handwave is intentional)

	I've worked and published research on rods and cones for over
10 years so the adherence to the belief that cones can "detect color"
is frustrating.  But don't take my word for it.  I'm reposting a few
excellent articles together with two rather good but oldish color
vision texts.

The texts:
Robert Boynton (1979) _Human Color Vision_ Holt, Rhiehart and Winston

Leo M. Hurvich (1981) _Color Vision_, Sinauer Associates.

The original articles:
Baylor and Hodgkin (1973) Detection and resolution of visual stimuli by
turtle phoreceptors, _J. Physiol._ 234 pp163-198.

Baylor Lamb and Yau (1978) Reponses of retinal rods to single photons.
_J. Physiol._ 288 pp613-634.

Schnapf et al. (1990) Visual transduction in cones of the monkey
_Macaca fascicularis_. J. Physiol. 427 pp681-713.

--
Edwin Barkdoll
barkdoll@lepomis.psych.upenn.edu
eb3@world.std.com


What 4 or more com port boards are available for PCs?
We want standard com ports, so no need to mention the expensive
coprocessed ones.

They should either be able to share IRQs or be able to use IRQs 8-15.


Write a good manual to go with the software.  The hassle of
photocopying the manual is offset by simplicity of purchasing
the package for only $15.  Also, consider offering an inexpensive
but attractive perc for registered users.  For instance, a coffee
mug.  You could produce and mail the incentive for a couple of
dollars, so consider pricing the product at $17.95.

You're lucky if only 20% of the instances of your program in use
are non-licensed users.

The best approach is to estimate your loss and accomodate that into
your price structure.  Sure it hurts legitimate users, but too bad.
Retailers have to charge off loss to shoplifters onto paying
customers; the software industry is the same.

Unless your product is exceptionally unique, using an ostensibly
copy-proof disk will just send your customers to the competetion.


Does anybody else think that WS stats should become part of
a player's career stats?   Why not?


I am working on a project where we are going to be including
both still and moving grapics within a database.  Of course
JPEG and MPEG come to mind as the formats of choice for the
various files.  However, from what I read on the Net, it seems
as if there are several different forms of each of these.

What I want to do, is settle on a file format which I can count
on as being a standard format 10 years from now.  I know Apple is going
to support Quicktime on the new Power PC's and, so this
may be the format of choice.

What format does Apple's Quicktime use for their products?  I guess
it is some kind of MPEG for their motion picture. Is it any different
than standard MPEG files?

Thanx for any info!


	Yeesh, you WILL be nailing those IRLEDs.  May I suggest getting your
mitts on the Siemens SFH484-2 IRLED?  This unit is designed to take some big
current pulses if you can get your duty cycle down a bit.  It will output
nearly a watt (975 mW) with REAL short duty cycle times.

(nice thing about the SFH484-2 is that it is CHEAP.  I got mine for about
50 cents a piece, even though I had to buy 100 of them....)

	BTW, I have seen IRLEDs with outputs up to 6 watts...honest,
6 WATTS.  I don't have the book here at work so I can't recall the company
name.  The 6 watter ain't cheap, around $108 but if you want some power,
mamamia, that's pretty hot.  They also have a 4 watt, a 2 watt and a
1 watt device in their line, and will sell small quan. to individuals.
If you are interested, I can find the book at home and get the
pertinent info.

	Now, as for the position detector, you might try ELTEC in Florida.
Phone number listed in the 92/93 ETID is 904-253-5328.  They seem like
nice people.  Their specialty is passive infrared detection devices,
so they might be able to help you out.

	I'm curious about your applications if you don't mind saying.
The device sounds like it could be useful in a lasertag game, although you'd
need to up your carrier signal concept to 58.8 KHz......


{drinking & riding}

0.20 is DWI in New York?  Here the limit is 0.08 !


    Yes. That is exactly what it means. The LC family of Macs can only
use PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus.


Yeah, but the problem with holding up the "extra-rational" examples as
exemplars, or as refutations of well founded methodology, is that you
run smack up against such unuseful directions as Lysenko.  Such "extra-
rational" cases are curiosities -- not guides to methodology.


Unfortunately your phrasing is ambiguous.  Re-writing more carefully, we have
(at least) two possibilities.  The first:

Things called "Mercedes" are cars
That girl is called "Mercedes"
Therefore that girl is a car

That is entirely valid as a piece of logical deduction.  It is not sound,
because the first statement is false.  Similarly, I would hold that Jim's
example is valid but not sound.

Another possible interpretation of what you wrote is:

There exists at least one car called "Mercedes"
That girl is called "Mercedes"
Therefore that girl is a car

-- which isn't valid.


(deletion)


Does anyone know what countries are these?

With the following logical consequences
	(a) Using any code designed to obscure informatio which is
	    not easily breakable will be illegal, including
		(i) Using code words such as ``Project P5''
		(ii) Speaking a language other than English
		(iii) Ever refering implicitly to events not known to
			everyone, eg
			"Hi John. How was last night?"
		      For all the listener knows, this may be a code for
			"Did you pick up the drugs OK last night?"
		      of be a code for
		        "OK. We blow up the Pentagon at midnight."
		(iv) Mentioning anything that could not be perfectly
		     understood by an average person with no education.
		(v) Words with more than one syllable.
		(vi) Speaking with a heavy accent that could bemisunderstood
		     by people not used to it.
		(vii) books with an "Inner meaning"...such
		      as "Animal Farm".

Yes.

I have a wonderful encrypter you can borrow that converts a message
eg "Meet me at 11:30 to bomb the White House. Bring some dynamite"
to an apparently (relatively) innoculous message. This message
here is an example of the output for the above message :-).

It is shockiong that it could happen anywhere.
It is shocking that it could happen in a country
that has the arrogance to call itself free.

What you can do:
	(1) Write to your congress person in plain text.
	(2) Write to your congress person in encrypted text.
		(decrypter optional)
	(3) Send some random keystroked to your congressperson
	(4) Send some random keystrokes accross the US boundaries,
		and keep the spooks busy trying to decode it.
	(5) Write your own encryption algorithms.
	(6) Don't buy clipper products.

P.S. I can't work out why the US government doesn't want to sell
them overseas. After all, they are rather easy for US interests to decode,
so make a perfect tool for industrial/military espionage...lulling
anyone stupid enough to buy it into a false sense of security. You will
notice that there is NO mention anywhere about safety for non-Americans.

Disclaimer: My opinions are mine alone, and do not represent anyone elses.
I have nothing that I particularly want to hide at the moment...though I
consider the right
to be able to use whatever method of coding data I like to be high on my
list of priorities.

--


--
Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6...
Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH...


    LBL now offers ethernet support also, although presently it is limited
to NE1000/NE2000 style boards.  LBL owners can get an update for $8.50.


   ... an amazing illustration of disconnection from reality.

Glad to see that you agree that the current Government is reticent
about admitting the sovereignty of the people!  Speaking from personal
experience, I have had judges illegally assume jurisdiction even after
I demanded that the DA prove such jurisdiction on the record, and the
DA stood mute.  I have also had an appellate court uphold such action
and hide behind California Rules of Court, Rule 106 ("The judges of
the appellate department shall not be required to write opinions in
any cases decided by them, but may do so whenever they deem it
advisable or in the public interest.").  That is reality, I agree.


Well, one reason for getting conflicting answers is that it depends on
what you want the ground plane to do.  A continuous conductor is a good
electrostatic shield.  Do you have signals on your board that need
shielding rom other things?  This shielding won't do much good for magnetic
fields, unless you make it continuous around the circuit to be shielded,
like a Faraday cage.


Can anyone give me some information, please ...

I need (probably) to write one or more new Motif widgets on the HP-UX
platform. Do I need the Motif private header files and source,
or can I make do with the public headers that are provided?
"Motif" includes Xt in this context.

One widget is a multi-column list (which lots of people have
already written, I am sure), and would therefore be probably be
a subclass of List rather than something simple like an Xt class.
Is this more difficult (in principle, not lines of code)?

Alternatively, if anyone has a multi-column list widget they
could sell me, this might save me from having to write one!
Does it by any chance exist in Motif 1.2 already (I do not
yet have the spec)?

Answers appreciated,

Nicholas.


This is a ridiculous argument for being a Christian.  So then, you might
consider switching from Christianity to another religion if you were
offered an even more frightening description of another hell?  How many
Christians do think there are who view it strictly as an insurance policy?
Not many I know; they believe in a message of love and compassion for
others.  A faith based on fear of hell sounds like a dysfunctional
relationship with God.  Like a child who cringes in fear of a parent's
physical violence.

Many religions have concrete views of heaven and hell, with various
threats and persuasions regarding who will go where.  Competition over
who can envison the worst hell can hardly nurture the idea of loving
your neighbor as yourself.


I have a 486 machine with a 3.5" A: drive and a 5.25" B: drive.  I
want to swap them so 3.5" drive is A:  What do I have to do?

TIA


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PS It's freeware.

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'lo all,

  I am writting a program that checks a computer for its configuration.
It's going to be run everytime a computer boots up to our campus
network.  (Actually, it already is running, it's just not getting all
the info I want it to yet...)  Anyway, I want to check for a mouse.  I
already check for a mouse driver (using the code in Microsoft's Mouse
book).  But there is no guarantee that the driver is loaded when my
program runs, or that they ever load the driver.

  Since I am interested in what hardware is attached to the machine, how
do I detect is a mouse is attached?  I know it can be done because the
mouse driver can do it.

  Thanks in advance,

Andy


Well, you should have noted that I was cheering an attack on an Israeli
patrol INSIDE Lebanese territory while I was condemning the "retaliatory"
shelling of Lebanese villages by Israeli and Israeli-backed forces. My "team",
you see, was "playing fair" while the opposing team was rearranging the
faces of the spectators in my team's viewing stands, so to speak.

I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on
in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda. There are no a priori
black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in
retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the
Lebanese terrorists.


I'm not saying this at all - it requires no faith on my part to
say the car drives because I've seen it drive - I've done more
than at in fact - I've actually driven it. (now what does require
some faith is the belief that my senses give an accurate representation
of what's out there....) But there is NO evidence - pro or con -
for the existence or non-existence of God (see what I have to
say below on this).

Sorry if I remain skeptical - I don't believe it's entirely a
conclusion. That you have seen no evidence that there IS a God
is correct - neither have I. But lack of evidence for the existence
of something is in NO WAY evidence for the non-existence of something
(the creationist have a similar mode of argumentation in which if they
disprove evolution the establish creation). You (personally) have never
seen a neutrino before, but they exist. The "pink unicorn" analogy breaks
down and is rather naive. I have a scientific theory that explains the
appearance of animal life - evolution. When I draw the conclusion that
"pink unicorns" don't exist because I haven't seen them, this conclusion
has it's foundation in observation and theory. A "pink unicorn", if
it did exist, would be qualitatively similar to other known entities.
That is to say, since there is good evidence that all life on earth has
evolved from "more primitive" ancestors these pink unicorns would share
a common anscestory with horses and zebras and such. God, however,
has no such correspondence with anything (IMO). There is no physical
frame work of observation to draw ANY conclusions FROM.

I disagree with you profoundly on this. I haven't defined God as
existence - in fact, I haven't defined God. But this might be
getting off the subject - although if you think it's relevant
we can come back to it.

You are using wrong categories here - or perhaps you misunderstand
what I'm saying. I'm making no argument what so ever and offering no
definition so there is no fallacy. I'm not trying to convince you of
anything. *I* Believe - and that rests upon Faith. And it is inappropriate
to apply the category of logic in this realm (unless someone tells you
that they can logically prove God or that they have "evidence" or ...,
then the use of logic to disprove their claims if fine and necessary).

BTW, an incomplete argument is not a fallacy - some things are not
EVEN wrong.

I don't follow you here. Certainly one can make observations of
things that they didn't know existed. I still maintain that one
cannot use observation to infer that "God does not exist". Such
a positive assertion requires a leap.

Once again you seem to completely misunderstand me. I have no
EVIDENCE that "'god is' is meaningful" at ANY level. Maybe such
a response as you gave just comes naturally to you because so
many people try to run their own private conception of God down
your throat. I, however, am not doing this. I am arguing one, and
only one, thing - that to make a positive assertion about something
for which there can in principle be no evidence for or against
requires a leap - it requires faith. I am, as you would say, a
"theist"; however, there is a form of atheism that I can respect -
but it must be founded upon honesty.


If anyone out there has an HP180 series scope or mainframe, I
have the TDR plug in (the 1810, I believe) for it and have no need
to keep it. Interested? E-mail me.

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I'm using int15h to read my joystick, and it is hideously slow.  Something
like 90% of my CPU time is being spent reading the joystick, and this
is in a program that does nothing but printf() and JoyRead().

The problem is that a lot of programs trap int15h ( like SMARTDRV ) and
so it is a slow as hell interface.  Can I read the joystick port in
a reasonably safe fashion via polling?  And that isn't platform or
clockspeed specific?

Thanks,


Hello,

	Has anyone built cxterm (X11R5) on a MIPS platform.  If you have,
please send me email as I don't read this group.  I've a bunch of questions...
:-)

				Thanks


I have an unopened CD called "Bird-The Original Recordings of Charlie
Parker"  It has on it, among others: Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie,
Red Rodney, Thelonious Monk, and Lester Young.
I would be willing to sell it to the highest bidder, or else to trade
it for another jazz CD that I would be interested in.


Here is a press release from the White House.

 Remarks by President Clinton to NCAA Division I Champion Hockey Team
April 19; Q&A Following
 To: National Desk
 Contact: White House Office of the Press Secretary, 202-456-2100

   WASHINGTON, April 19 -- Following is a transcript
of remarks by President Clinton to the University of Maine "Black
Bears" NCAA Division I hockey champions:

                           The Rose Garden

 9:58 A.M. EDT

     THE PRESIDENT:  Good morning ladies and gentlemen.  It's
an honor for me to welcome the University of Maine Black Bears, the
winner of the NCAA Division I hockey national championship to the
Rose Garden and the White House.  I understand from Senator Mitchell
that this is the first team from the University of Maine every to win
a national championship.  And we're glad to have them here.

     I'm inspired not only by how the team pulled together to
win the championship, but how the entire state pulled together to
cheer them onto victory.

     Coming from a state that is also relatively small in
size, but also filled with pride and tradition and community, I can
understand how the people of Maine must feel about the Black Bears.
In our state people are still talking about the time we won the
Orange Bowl over the number one ranked football team, and that was
back in 1978.  I'm sure that 15 years from now, the people of Maine
will as proud of this team as they are today.

     You know, in my state football is a slightly more
popular sport than hockey.  We don't have a lot of ice.  (Laughter.)
But after spending three months getting banged around in this town, I
can understand a little more about hockey than I did before I came
here.  Hockey is a tough game.  It's a hard-hitting sport.  It does
have one virtue though, there's a penalty for delay of game.  I wish
we had that rule in the Senate.  (Laughter.)

     In government as in hockey, leadership is important.  In
the United States Senate, our team has a great captain, the Majority
Leader and the senior Senator from Maine, George Mitchell; junior
Senator -- Cohen looks so young, I can't imagine.  (Laughter.)  I'm
actually bitter about Senator Cohen because he looks so much younger
than me.

     On your hockey team, the captain Jim Montgomery has done
a great job.  He scored the winning goal late in the championship
game, leading you to a come-from-behind victory -- something else I
know a little bit about.

     Sport brings out the best in individuals and in teams
and in communities.  I share the pride that Senator Mitchell and
Senator Cohen and Congressman Andrews and all the people of Maine
must feel for the Black Bears who have shown us all how to play as a
team, how to bring out the best in one another, and how to come from
behind.

     I think it's important, as I ask young people from
around America who have achieved outstanding things in working
together, to come here to the White House to be recognized and
appreciated by their country, to remember that those kinds of values
and those kinds of virtues need to be ingrained in all of us for all
of our lives.

     We now have another role model, and I'm glad to have
them here today.  (Applause.)

     (The President is presented with team jersey.)
(Applause.)

     THE PRESIDENT:  That's great.  I love it.  It's beautiful.
(Applause.)

     (The President is presented with an autographed stick.)

     THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you.  That's great.  (Applause.)

                             * * * * * *

     Q  Mr. President, did you authorize the move on Waco
this morning, sir?

     THE PRESIDENT:  I was aware of it.  I think the Attorney
General made the decision.  And I think I should refer all questions
to her and to the FBI.

     Q  Did you have any instructions for her as to how it
should be executed?

     THE PRESIDENT:  No, they made the tactical decisions.
That was their judgment, the FBI.

     Q  Is this a raid?

     THE PRESIDENT:  And I will -- I want to refer you to --
talk to the Attorney General and the FBI.  I knew it was going to be
done, but the decisions were entirely theirs, all the tactical
decisions.

     Q  What did you and Senator Mitchell talk about this
morning?

     Q  Any chance for that stimulus package?

     THE PRESIDENT:  Senator Mitchell ought to pay my
quarter.  (Laughter.)  I was in there -- (laughter).

     SENATOR MITCHELL:  You have to pay that quarter.

     THE PRESIDENT:  I was ready.  (Laughter.)  Senator
Mitchell, he's worth a quarter any day.

     Q  Any chance for your bill, sir?

     THE PRESIDENT:  We talked about what was going to happen
this week in the Senate and about what other meetings we're going to
have for the rest of the week.  We only had about five minutes to
talk.  And we agreed we'd get back together later, around noon, and
talk some more.

     Q  Senator Dole said over the weekend that your
compromise is no compromise.

     THE PRESIDENT:  Well, I know he did, but, look, Senator
Dole and a lot of the other Republicans now in the Senate voted for
the same kind of thing for Ronald Reagan in 1983; and our research
indicates that a majority of them over time voted for a total of 28
emergency spending measures totalling over $100 billion when Reagan
and Bush were President, in those administrations.  And many of those
purposes were not nearly as worthy as putting the American people
back to work.  I don't want to go back and revisit every one, but you

can do it.  You can look at the research there.  So this position
they're taking is not credible.  We have a very tough five-year
deficit reduction plan.  All these costs are covered during that time
and then some.  And the very people that are saying this has all got
to be paid for don't have much of a history on which to base their
position.  They've got 12 years of vote for stimulus measures of this
kind that had very little to with putting the American people back to
work.  So I think we've got a chance to work it out, and I'm hopeful.
We'll see what happens today and tomorrow.  I'm feeling pretty good
about it.

     THE PRESS:  Thank you

                                 END       10:10 A.M. EDT

 -30-


I am not at all clear about what you are trying to say here.   If  you
asked  somone,  who  had never heard of hockey before, if LA played in
the Smythe division what do you think  that  the  response  would  be?
What  if you asked this person if LA played in the West division?  The
naming of  divisions  after  long-dead  entrepreneurs  is  unnecessary
obfuscation.

Hardly.  The "established" situation existed prior to Smythe,  et  al.
The  Stanley  Cup was a challenge trophy up for grabs to whatever team
could successfully mount the challenge.  What our  dear  founders  did
was formalize the challenge.  They created a closed league, an oligop-
olistic professional system, in the interests of making money.  Wheth-
er  or  not  that system has contributed to better hockey is certainly
debatable.  We are, however, stuck with their invention and  that  de-
bate  is  academic.   The  point  to  be made, however, is that people
played hockey and people enjoyed watching hockey  long  before  Smythe
and his pals showed up.

What's wrong with best defenceman, period?  Was there  ever  a  better
defenceman?   Was  there  ever a better player?  And if you think that
Bruce Norris' contribution was somehow  more  significant  than  Bobby
Orr's  then,  in the interests of education, why don't you take a poll
and find out how many people know who Norris was?  But you don't  have
to, do you?

So you don't feel that you should have to make the effort to  remember
that  Vancouver  plays in the West division?  (Or Pacific, or whatever
other intuitively understandable moniker is chosen.)

And of course you neatly deleted Jason's  jingoistic  rant  about  the
game  losing  its  "Canadianization".   Quoting me out of context does
more to erode your credibility than it  does  mine.   My  position  is
clearly  progressive  and  is anything but "biased, closed minded, ig-
norant".  Arrogant, I will grant you.

Nice try John.  But for a flame to be truly effective you have to
display  at  least  enough  intelligence  to  earn  your target's
respect.

cordially, as always,

rm


  >What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't seem to
  >realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. You don't make me angry, you
  >just make me chuckle - I remeber being in Bellingham, Washington and seeing a
  >...

You consider laughing at others civilized behavior?  What was I supposed to
learn from your article?  Treat people like dogs?


-> Does that mean that they're gonna bring back the Biscayne and Bel
-> Air?

Or how about the 210?

george.howell%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org


Yes only your $00.02.  Here's mine.

If I were running at a new chip at a Trade show, and had little to no real
technical knowledge,  I wouldn't let some stranger with a diskette boot my demo
machine.  If the demo machine is down too long people will not see my nice
demos, and if this purposted LINUX diskette is really something that will wipe
the disk, or is loaded with a VIRUS!, I'm in deep trouble.

No marketer in their right mind would let you do this, unless they had
specifically invited people to do so, and provided machines to do it with.

We can we learn : This technology will be shipping from PC vendors in May 1993,
and will be i486 compatible.


I would like more info on this if anybody has it. Our Exabyte
8500 tapedrive has never been working from the Quadra 950.
We have been trying it since September 1992, replaced cabling,
inits, I don't know what all. All the "industry experts" we
phoned (the tapedrive dealer, our Apple dealer, the software
dealer) all say it's our fault, or they don't know. The last
thing they said was that we needed a special Quadra SCSI terminator
(???). Anybody know more? Thanks,


Perhaps not in Christianity, but in Islam the choice of religious
leaders is to be made by the people. So much for your superiority
argument.

Democracy is a basic element of Islam. Learn that one!

Ever notice that the so-called "fundamentalists" in Algeria
who are being repressed by the secular government won in
free and democratic elections.


OK..... thanks to all of you who responded to my post.
here's the "official" response from orchid..
Orchid is aware of the problem, the new rev of the board (rev d) SHOULD         (not would) take care of the problem. production was scheduled to start
on april 15, I have no confirmation that production did start on this day
just the word of the tech on the other line.

now the flame......
you would think a company like Orchid who has produced good quality products in the past would be more helpfull and willing to make right on a screwup of theirs.
very poor tech support (the first 2 times I called I must have spoke with the
janitor because they where talking craziness) the last time I talked to a tech  named "paul" and he seemed to have a pretty good idea what was going on.
until these problems are resovled neither myself nor my department will buy
or recommend orchid products.

flame off.....

again thanks to all of you who answered my post.


Another company, Congruent Corporation of New York City, has also ported Xlib
Xt and Motif 1.1 over to MS Windows NT, which provides full client development
for X applications in an NT environment.

If you are porting InterViews over to MS Windows, I thought InterViews was
a C++ toolkit with C++ classes. If that is so, how can it be built on Xlib,
unless the classes are calling Xlib functions?

Steve


A little delayed, but in the interests of fairness (stats from Elias);
        BA    OBP   SLG  R  HR RBI RNI  %   outs
Alomar .310  .405  .427 105  8  76 264 20.5 419
Baerga .312  .354  .455  92 20 105 316 21.2 480

So we see that Baerga has a large advantage in RBI (runs batted in), RNI
(runners not driven in) and outs.


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One last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasn't
yet been addressed.  I believe the rule also does *not* deal with this
situation:

If Infield Fly is declared and the ball is caught, runners can tag up
and advance at their own risk, as on any fly ball.

However, if the Infield Fly is *not* caught, at what point can a
runner legally leave his base w/o fear of being doubled off for
advancing too early?  When the
ball hits the ground?  When a fielder first touches the ball after it
hits the ground?

Enlightenment would be appreciated.


Canada's GST is collected as a sales tax and is considered a VAT.
Funnily, the previous hidden wholesale tax that it replaces was
never referred to as a tax (or, people never paid mind to it,
thus the uproar when it was brought up front as the GST ---
one party has actually campaigned on hiding the tax again).

The stated intent of the Tories was to use the GST to write down
our deficit.  Unfortunately, their legislation didn't include any
mechanism for disbursing the collected funds in such a manner and
the money is now sitting in escrow.  I don't know what is involved
in releasing the funds, but one dilemna is that the Tories are not
fiscal conservatives themselves though while taxing and spending,
they've made moves to apply the breaks to a runaway locomotive by
the end of this time --- the end of their second term (~9 years).
While they do have chances of getting a third term, catching up
in the polls to their more moderate/slightly leftish pro-business
rivals, the Liberals (as in Euro/UK), the Tories' heir-apparent
for the leaders' mantle has been termed a clone of Hillary
Clinton ...

gld


Obviously some reporter for the Ottawa Sun got taken by an April
Fools joke...probably started by someone with the Nordiques or the
Bruins.

Like for example...who is going to reimburse the Flyers for the
$15 million they paid to the Nordiques...like the Senators are
going to get Lindros and $15 million.  The Flyers sent the
equivalent of 6 or 7 players (when you include the draft choices)
to Quebec, and they are going to get only four back.

Some reporter was had real badly and someone must be having a
real good laugh seeing as how the so much of the sports media
has chosen to publicize this utter nonsense.

Can you think...it cannot possibly be true...no need for the "if"!

I can't believe that anyone would consider giving such crap even
the remotest consideration.


: The Selective Service Registration should be abolished.  To start with, the
: draft is immoral.  Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now,
: and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior
: with a volunteer army than with draftees.  Finally, the government has us
: on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and
: Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to.
: Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time.
: Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit.

Let me say this about that, as a retired Navy officer;

I agree. Cut it.  But let's not stop there.

Eliminate the C-17 transport. Overwight, overdue, overbudget, it was
supposed to carry tanks. New tanks are now too big for the airplane.

Scrap the Seawolf SSN-21 nuclear submarine. The breakup of the USSR has
left us with a number of sticky military problems, but NONE of them will
require "God's gift to submarines".

Ground the B-2 stealth bomber. I'm sure it's a great airplane that will do
EVERYTHING its designers said, but at half-a-gigabuck a copy, we can't
afford for even ONE to crash. And airplanes DO crash.

Elmo Zumwalt said it best 20+ years ago; "High/Low". A MIX of a FEW
extremely capable weapons systems and a LOT of CHEAPER,
moderate-capability systems.
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[Lots of stuff about how the commerical moonbase=fantasyland]

Then what do you believe will finally motivate people to leave the
earth?  I'm not trying to flame you.  I just want to know where you
stand.

-Chuck
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