It is correct that VC++ is NOT considered an upgrade for C7. C7 is
basically a DOS product, VC++ is a Windows product. As Windows is not
an upgrade for DOS, it is a separate operating system product line, its
utilities cannot be upgrades for DOS utilities. However, I have also
been told that it is NOT an upgrade for QCWIN, which it should be!


}Crazy question: "Anyone ever wonder how birds can drop a load on a car
}going over 65 MPH" ?
}
}I took a non-stop trip, got shitted on FOUR times (every time hitting the
}windshield, not even the open sunroof!  Guess we have conscientious birds ;)
}Was going 75 MPH.
}
}

I used to have a '67 Galaxie convertible, was sitting at a light waiting
for it to turn green. It turned green, but I hesitated a little (sleeping I
guess) and a bird bombed me, it landed directly in front of me at eye
level, I guess the bird miscalculated and thought I was going to take off
right away.

And I'm still trying to figure out the one I got under my rear bumper as
well ?!?!?! Was the bird flying up and doing fancy acrobatics at my car and
decided to drop one while executing a perfect loop??

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THE WHITE HOUSE

                    Office of the Press Secretary
_____________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release                                  April 15, 1993

                            PRESS BRIEFING
                       BY GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS

                          The Briefing Room

1:04 P.M. EDT

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Good afternoon.

	     Q	  Could we do this on the lawn?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  That would be nice.  Let's go out
to the cherry blossoms.  We'll do like the President.

	     Q	  Is the stimulus package dead?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Absolutely not.

	     Q	  Can you tell us more about the Dole talks?  You
said it was a good visit, but no compromise.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Yes.  The President had a good talk
with Senator Dole last night.  I think that as we said before, there
were no specific compromises on either side, although it was a very
good discussion about the jobs package and about other issues as
well.  As you know, the President first called Senator Dole I believe
Tuesday night to talk about the Russian aid package.  They did not
speak -- Senator Dole called him back Wednesday morning -- when the
President was out.  Instead he spoke with Tony Lake, and at the close
of that conversation, indicated that he wanted to speak to the
President about the jobs and stimulus package.  They finally talked
about that yesterday afternoon.

	     At the close of that discussion they said that they
would have another talk last night, which they did, when the Senator
was up in New Hampshire.  And although there were no specific
compromises made on either side, they did say that they would
continue to have some discussions.  And that's where we are.

	     Q	  Well, who is giving in?  Where is it standing --are
both making concessions?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know that it's at that
phase.  No compromise has been made.  As the President has said
consistently, he intends to come forward with an adjusted package.
He believes in the package, but he believes that if it's going to
take adjustments to get the minority to release it, he's willing to
make those adjustments.

	     Q	  On the subject of a VAT --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Oh, boy.

	     Q	  Can we stay on this for one more minute?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Sure.

	     Q	  We have a problem with the five minutes --

	     Q	  I know no decisions have been made, but what would
lead the health group to believe that a VAT might be necessary?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Sorry, Andrea, I'm not going to go
down that road.  No decisions have been made.  As the President said
this morning, a number of groups, a number of members of Congress, a
number of other organizations have recommended that this be looked
at.  The working group is looking at it, but no decisions have been
made.

	     Q	  To follow, have they done that directly through
him?  Have labor and business groups been in touch with the President
about it?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Not to my knowledge, although
there's a lot of people who have public decisions in support of the
VAT.  But the President has not made a decision.

	     Q	  At the meetings that he's had with his own task
force advisers, have they discussed the funding issue and what the
possible options would be?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't think that that has been
presented for a decision, no.

	     Q	  Not for a decision, but has it been discussed as an
option?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Again, there are a lot of levels of
briefing.  I do not believe that the VAT has been presented to the
President as, okay, this is something for you to decide on.

	     Q	  You're not saying he didn't know it was being
considered, though, are you?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  No, he said it's being considered.

	     Q	  He knew that.

	     Q	  But has he discussed that with his advisers?
That's what I'm asking.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The President has said it's being
considered.  I do not know what level of discussion there has been
over the VAT.  It is something the working groups are looking at.  I
don't even know that it's --

	     Q	  But he didn't say he was considering, did he, at
this stage?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  No, he is not.  I think we're
getting into something of a metaphysical debate right here.  What is
considered --

	     Q	  Well, he is the one who said, I haven't reviewed
it.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  That is true.  That is what I just
repeated.

	     Q	  George, is there any concern here that as a result
of the definite statement he made in February and the promise that if
it were to be considered he'd let us know, and having it trickle out
the way it did, that there may now be the development of a
credibility gap on this issue and others?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't think so.  I mean, it is
now public knowledge that this is being considered.

	     Q	  Is he or you at all embarrassed about the absolute
statements that were made from this platform to the effect that it
was off the table and was not being considered, and then to have it
come out not from you people, but --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, wait a second.  It came out
from the administration.  What are you talking about?

	     Q	  What I'm saying is, though, that the President said
he would let us know.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Right.

	     Q	  You people then said -- you said, I believe, that
it's not going to be on the program.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  On March 25th.

	     Q	  On March 25th.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Circumstances change.

	     Q	  Well, I understand.  But we have to find that out
by rooting around in the fine print of an interview

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Rooting around -- I know you did do
a very good job there to read the USA Today article.  But this is --
(laughter) -- the Deputy Director of the OMB and the Secretary of
Health and Human Services.  I mean, that is common anytime you guys
write a story that has an unattributed quote from somebody in the
Clinton administration, the headline is -- I'll look at it right
here, and AP story -- "Clinton wants more money for spying."

	     Q	  What about his remark that if it were being
considered, he'd tell us about it?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  And the administration's concerned,
and he'd let you know.

	     Q	  And did he?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Yes.  Absolutely.  What did he say
this morning?

	     Q	  It had to be dragged out of you here yesterday.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  It didn't have to be dragged out of
me.  We had the Deputy Director of the OMB, we had the Secretary of
Health of Human Services say it was being considered.  That is his
administration.  That is his administration policy.

	     Q	  Were these authorized trial balloons, or were they
orchestrated leaks?  I mean, what was the --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  They were asked questions, they
answered the questions.

	     Q	  You're saying here that it didn't have to be
dragged out, that you more or less made it clear yesterday you were
considering it.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Absolutely.  I was very clear.
Painfully clear.

	     Q	  Was there a particular political strategy in making
it clear the administration is considering a new tax increase on tax
day?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  No, it was just this issue is being
considered.  They were asked if it was being considered; they
answered that it was being considered.

	     Q	  George, The New York Times --

	     Q	  Why do it yesterday?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  They were asked.

	     Q	  The New York Times reports today that Secretary
Reich and the chief economist at the Labor Department used apples and
oranges numbers in order to portray last month's unemployment figures
in a way that was supportive of the President's job stimulus bill,
but which turned out to be totally false.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know if it was totally
false, but I think -- (laughter) -- the chief economist at the Labor
Department did grant that it was an inappropriate mixing, and they
say that.

	     Q	  The question is, is the President concerned about
behavior that amounts to corrupting government data?  And what's he
doing about it, if so?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The chief economist has said that a
mistake was made, it won't happen again, and that's the end of the
matter.

	     Q	  Isn't that the same information that goes to the
President?

	     Q	  If I could go back to the stimulus package --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  There's two separate pieces of
information.  I think that's where the confusion was.

	     Q	  When did you all first learn about this mistake
that was made?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I read the article this morning.

	     Q	  And as far as you know, is the President aware of
it?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think so.

	     Q	  And was he aware of it before he read about it in
The New York Times?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know.  Not to my knowledge.

	     Q	  Did you ever hear about it before this morning?
Anything?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I didn't.

	     Q	  Wasn't the President given an erroneous spin on
this for his own purpose?  For his speeches, for his arguments?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well again, I'm not sure.  Both
statements are true.  What the Labor Department has granted is that
mixing them in one sentence, essentially, was misleading.  They said
it was a mistake.  They said they wouldn't do it again.

	     Q	  Did they drop it -- is this something that you
choose to spin or make an issue of?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Whenever fewer people are out of
work, we're gratified.  But that doesn't take away from the need to
get this jobs package going.

	     Q	  If I could go back to the stimulus package for a
minute.  You said that the President plans to come forward with an
amendment.  Is the timetable still what it was -- that the amendment
would be laid down on Monday and voted on on Tuesday, or did he, in
the conversation with Dole, talk about the possibility of putting
that off for a few more days to give more time for the discussion?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think at this point there's no
changes in the schedule at all.  I don't know that they discussed the
timing like that.

	     Q	  Do you believe that you're closer or getting closer
this week than you were last week?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Again, I believe that we're going
to pass a jobs package.  The President is prepared to make
adjustments in order to get that to happen.  I don't know where the
votes are on cloture at this particular time.  I don't know what's
going to happen until we have a vote.  But the President believes
deeply in this jobs package and wants to get it done.

	     Q	  Has there been any indication that this situation
has changed?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  We're going to continue to work on
it.  We'll know when the votes are taken.

	     Q	  George, last week you said that there are -- or
various people in the administration were saying that you couldn't go
through Dole, you were going to have to try and go around him because
he was immovable on this subject of a compromise, or at least the
compromise he wanted was not anything like the one that you could
accept.  This week you're talking to him.  Is that because you've
realized that the peeling off effort wasn't going to work?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  That's because Senator Dole wanted
to talk to the President about the stimulus package.

	     Q	  He initiated the conversation?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Yes.

	     Q	  Secretary Reich this morning said that, in fact,
the President is not willing to compromise on this bill at all.  You
say he's making --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know that that's exactly
what he said.  I think he said he didn't have any indication that
there was any compromises yet or that there would be a compromise,
and the President doesn't want to compromise.  And the President
doesn't want to compromise.  But if he has to make adjustments to get
it through, he will.

	     Q	  Officials here yesterday said that Panetta was
working on a series of adjustments that might be made public before
the actual vote.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  It's possible.

	     Q	  Today?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'm not sure exactly when that will
happen, but I think that it's very possible that we'll come forward
with some sort of a different package, or Senate Democrats will come
forward with some sort of a different package in order to get it
passed.

	     Q	  As we understood his conversations with Dole, the
first one was some discussion of this and I'll get back to you
tonight with some details or some adjustments, or whatever the phrase
is.  Did he offer him some details or some adjustments?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think it's a question of how
detailed.  I mean, I think they had a general discussion about the
package last night, subsequent to their conversation yesterday
afternoon.  I believe that there will be follow-up discussions today
in the Senate, not necessarily between the President and Senator
Dole.  And let me just reiterate, neither side has made specific
compromises at this date.  When we have something we'll let you know.
And I'm not suggesting that Senator Dole has accepted anything that
we've talked about or that we've offered anything in a hard way.

	     Q	  What are the follow-up discussions if not the
President and Dole?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think Senator Mitchell is going
to talk to Senator Dole.

	     Q	  Is that a threat?  (Laughter.)

	     Q	  Did the President say to Senator Dole, all right,
how about this number as an overall size, or did Dole say to the
President, I can go as high as this?  Did they talk numbers?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't think it was a negotiation
in that respect.  It was more of a discussion about their positions.

	     Q	  Did they discuss actual numbers?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'm just not sure.  I know they
talked about the basic outlines of the packages.  I think they talked
about the programs they cared about.  I don't know if they got to the
level of this many x-billion dollars.

	     Q	  Does Dole have to sign off before there is a
package?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  No, of course not.

	     Q	  Did the White House have anything to do with the
protesters who showed up in New Hampshire today where Senator Dole
was speaking?  Was that in any way organized by --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Not to my knowledge, no.

	     Q	  And has the President been in touch with Senators
Kohl or Feingold?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't think he's talked to them,
no.

	     Q	  George, is the President considering the more
palatable fact of having a national sales tax instead of having the
haves having to continuously pay for the have-nots?  And is he going
to scrap his proposed tax on the privileged few, with the haves
having to pay for the have-nots?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The President believes deeply that
the tax rates on upper income Americans, as he presented in his
budget, should go up.  And I think for the second half of your
question, I'll refer you to my briefing from yesterday.

	     Q	  George, on the subject of accuracy in information,
you suggested the other day that the stimulus package included money
that would solve the water problem in Milwaukee.  Apparently that is
not true.  It's actually waste water money.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  It's waste water money for
Wisconsin, and some could go to Milwaukee.

	     Q	  But it would not affect the drinking water problem
because it's waste water money, right?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  It would affect the water treatment
overall.

	     Q	  But the implication from your statement the other
day was that it would help fix this disease problem in Milwaukee now.
Would you agree that's not the case?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'm not sure of the specifics.  I
know that it goes to the overall water treatment in Wisconsin.

	     Q	  A leftover question from this morning, which was,
when did the President find out that the task force was deliberating
on a VAT?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'm not sure exactly when.  I just
don't know.  I assume it came up over the last -- certainly between
the time that we had commented on in the past and two days ago.

	     Q	  So sometime since March 25th?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think that's right.  I don't know
the exact date.

	     Q	  George, the President this morning mentioned that
some labor and business groups are for the VAT tax.  Apparently, the
National Association of Manufacturers talks about perhaps the VAT tax
being okay if it replaces the BTU tax.  So does the President feel
that perhaps this might be in place of some other tax he's proposed,
or is this totally in addition to the other taxes he's already
proposed?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think we've said all we have to
say about the VAT at this point.  I mean, there's just no -- this is
being considered by the health care working groups, and that is all.
The President hasn't made any further decisions beyond that.

	     Q	  But it would be to finance health care, it wouldn't
be to replace some other tax that finances -- it wouldn't replace the
income tax, for instance?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  There have been no discussions on
that.

	     Q	  In terms of getting a VAT tax through Congress,
Senator Dole's press release today said VAT -- on tax day.  Do you
think -- does it have a chance of getting through Congress?  Would it
have a chance?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I have no idea.

	     Q	  Is that a consideration whether you all put it
forward?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  That would become a consideration
if the President were to decide to do it.  It's not in consideration
now.

	     Q	  You said at the beginning of the briefing that
circumstances had changed and that had caused the VAT to now be under
consideration.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Yes, what the President referred to
this morning.  These groups came forward and said this is something
that has to be considered.

	     Q	  Those are the circumstances that have changed?
That's the only difference between now and when he emphatically ruled
it out that groups have asked it to be considered?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  That's what he said.

	     Q	  Is that true?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Yes.

	     Q	  Was there, in fact, some understanding that sin
taxes would not produce enough money for the health care benefits?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'm not going to get into the
deliberations.

	     Q	  But, George --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  No.  What the consideration is, as
the President said, groups came forward and said this is something
you ought to consider.  The working groups are looking at it.

	     Q	  Is that the only thing that's changed since his
prior statement and your prior statement on the VAT?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Yes.

	     Q	  Can you explain how those groups -- how that
information got to him that groups wanted it?  Was it just reading
the newspaper or did groups make presentations?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think the groups -- as you know,
the health care task force has met with dozens of groups.

	     Q	  But this is the President's knowledge that these
groups had come forward.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think he was referring to what
was coming to the working groups.  Obviously, there have also been
published positions in the newspapers.

	     Q	  Have certain groups briefed him on the group's
presentations to them?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know if they've briefed him
-- I mean, how detailed the briefings have been.    I know that the
working groups decided to look into this after being pressed by these
groups.

	     Q	  What kind of arguments did the groups make that
were persuasive enough that the President would change the position
that he had enunciated previously?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know, it's just they've had
longstanding positions that this would be a good way to finance
health care.

	     Q	  The President wasn't aware of those longstanding
positions?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  He may have been at some level.
Obviously, he's been a governor for a long time and he knows the
basic arguments for and against a VAT tax.

	     Q	  What we're trying to figure out here -- you're
telling us that the only change, the only thing that affected this
change in the President's attitude toward the VAT between February
and now --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The President's attitude hasn't
necessarily changed.  I mean, he has not made a decision.

	     Q	  I know, but the President said that it was off the
table.  So did you.  And you're saying that the only thing that's
changed is the positions of these groups, except you're also
describing them as longstanding positions.  I don't see the change.
If these groups haven't had any change in their position that's been
made to the President --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, they've made the
presentations to the health care task force.

	     Q	  There's no relationship at all between the fact
that sin taxes that he had said -- suggested in February that he
favored will not produce enough revenue to finance --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't think he ever suggested
that they would produce all the revenue.

	     Q	  Well, he suggested that he thought that those were
appropriate ways to finance health care.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  He did say that.  I don't know that
he said anything to refute that.

	     Q	  But, in fact, has the task force discovered that
there wouldn't be enough revenue from those taxes to finance the kind
of core benefits --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Again, I don't think that the task
force ever suggested that there would.

	     Q	  George, if he advocated a VAT tax, would that break
his promise not to raise taxes on the middle class to pay for his
programs?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I can't comment on a hypothetical
situation.

	     Q	  But does that promise -- would that promise not to
raise taxes on the middle class to pay for the programs prevent him
from seeking a VAT tax?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The President has made no decisions
on the VAT tax.  When he does, we'll tell you and we'll explain the
implications then.

	     Q	  Which specific groups can you cite -- business,
labor or otherwise -- whose recommendations to the health care task
force has prompted this consideration?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't have the specific.  I just
don't have that.

	     Q	  George, can you tell us to what extend these other
alternatives, for instance, the employer tax or the sin taxes or
other financing options are also still on the table and what these
options are?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  No, as members of the task force
and representatives of the working groups have said, they are looking
at a wide variety of options.  I think that Ira Magaziner said that
there are 20 different options under consideration.  But I'm not
going to comment --

	     Q	  What's the scope --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'm just not going to comment on
them, no.

	     Q	  What's the scope of the need?  How much are you
talking about that has to be produced by one or a combination of the
--

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  That's what the health care task
force is looking at.

	     Q	  Since there's not going to be any briefing on the
Miyazawa visit, two questions:  One, generally what does the
President hope to use that meeting for, but more specifically, is his
task complicated by the Japanese anger over the Vancouver note and
the remark about market access at the press conference?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The Vancouver note?

	     Q	  Does no mean yes.

	     Q	  Yes and no.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, I don't know.  I saw the
Prime Minister's press conference where he was asked the question
about that note and he gave a very gracious and complete answer when
he was asked the question.  The questions of trade are something that
certainly will be discussed between the Prime Minister and the
President.  There is obviously a trade imbalance between Japan and
the U.S. that we want to do something about.

	     Q	  Also in those comments the Prime Minister made he
suggested that the United States should come down heavy on him in
terms of trade.  Are you going to oblige?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:   I think the President will state
our views on trade very clearly and our views on the trade deficit
very clearly.  I don't necessarily want to agree with your
characterization of the Prime Minister's comments.

	     Q	     that we need specific export targets, specific
numerical targets -- is that what he's going to discuss with
Miyazawa?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  They're going to have a broad
discussion of a wide range of trade issues.  I don't want to get into
those specifics until after the meeting.

	     Q	  Why?

	     Q	   That's the crux of the issue, right?  Whether or
not -- does the President believe that without specific numerical
targets, it is really, as he said in his press conference, sort of
hopeless that this is going to change very much?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The President believes that we must
have pressure on Japan to turn the trade imbalance around.  I do not
want to get into the specifics of how that would be done.

	     Q	  But does the President believe that their stimulus
package announced yesterday will rectify the imbalance?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think, first, the President wants
to get a full briefing on the stimulus package from Prime Minister
Miyazawa himself, and then he'll make the comment on it.

	     Q	  How about the Russian aid package?  There seems to
be some confusion about how the U.S. views that, Secretary
Christopher saying -- or Bentsen saying the Japanese may need to do
more, the Japanese saying that that's not what they heard?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Again, we're going to continue to
work with all our allies in the G-7, and we're going to continue to
press for help for Russian reform, Russian democratic reform.  And I
think that, so far, we had a very good announcement out of Tokyo and
we're going to continue to work with our allies for bilateral
packages.

	     Q	  Do you think the Japanese need to do more?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  We're going to continue to work
with all our allies to do as much as we can.

	     Q	  Secretary Christopher was asked today on the Today
Show this morning what he thought of Margaret Thatcher's comments on
the Bosnia policy.  And he said, "It's a rather emotional response."
	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Over an emotional issue.

	     Q	  Right -- to an emotional problem.  Does the White
House condone that kind of remark?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think that Secretary
Christopher's remarks speaks for itself.  The President believes also
that this is a deeply troubling situation that we're trying to find
answers for.

	     Q	  But that specific -- "rather emotional response" --
specific term?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  No, it speaks for itself.

	     Q	  In connection with that, doesn't it seem that with
the numbers of people who are being killed at this very moment, is it
good American policy to put off some decisions that might be made now
to help Boris Yeltsin win a referendum?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  For example?

	     Q	  To take stronger action, to take military action --
air strikes, anything that can be done?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The President believes that what
must be done now is to push harder for sanctions.  He is also -- as
you know, the administration has been discussing lifting the arms
embargo.  He believes those are the appropriate ways to increase
pressure at this time.

	     Q	  What is your response to the critics who would say
that the U.S. is now stymied by trying to help Boris Yeltsin retain
the presidency?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  They're wrong.  We're pressing hard
for the Serbs to come to the negotiating table.  We're pressing hard
for increased sanctions, and we're talking to our allies about the
arms embargo.

	     Q	  You were putting great store in Vance and Owen
getting people to agree to that.  Now, Vance and Owen have both said
that military force to some extent would be acceptable.  Does that
change your thinking?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Clearly, we're going to listen to
whatever people who have put so much time into a situation have to
say.  But at this point, the President is moving forward on sanctions
and talking about the arms embargo.

	     Q	  A follow-up on a Dee Dee comment this morning.  She
said she would be able to provide some administration officials who
could document the effect the sanctions are having in Bosnia.  Are
you going to be able to do that, or do you have anything --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't think that's what she said.

	     Q	  That's exactly what she said.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't think that's true.  But
what she said -- we would look into the situation of what kind of
evidence can be provided in Bosnia.  Obviously, if there are
connections between the Bosnian Serbs and the Serbs in Belgrade and
we are tightening the screws on the Serbs in Belgrade, that will have
an effect over time.  I do not know day by day, minute by minute,
what kind of help is being given between the two and what the exact
effect has been.   But, clearly, we are slowing the shipment of goods
into Belgrade.  We are having an effect on the Serbs there.  What
kind of effect that will eventually have on the Bosnian Serbs I don't
know.  But one thing I would say is if it were having no effect at
all, I don't know why they'd be fighting it so much.

	     Q	  Are the First Lady's tax returns going to be
released?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think there's a joint tax return.
And it will be probably later today.

	     Q	  Is the President considering signing an executive
order banning discrimination against homosexuals in the federal work
force as part of the gay rights march here next week?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't think there's any proposal
for that at this time, not that I know of.

	     Q	  It's something that the President promised during
the campaign that he would do.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I have not seen any -- I don't
think it's anything that's on his plate right now.

	     Q	  Is he meeting with gay rights leaders at any point
on this issue?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know about on this issue.
I assume that he'll meet with representatives of the gay and lesbian
community sometime soon, as he meets with representatives of lots of
different groups and communities.

	     Q	  Do you know if that's scheduled --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  It's probably going to be tomorrow.

	     Q	  Probably going to be tomorrow?  (Laughter.)

	     Q	  It's a good thing you asked.

	     Q	  Who's probably going to be there?  (Laughter.)

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know.

	     Q	  How long --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know.  That's all I know.

	     Q	  Do you know if it's at 3:00 p.m. tomorrow?
(Laughter.)

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know what time it is.  I
don't even know for sure if it's going to be tomorrow.

	     Q	  Environmental groups have asked him to make a major
speech next week of some kind.  Is that going to happen, do you know?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know if they've asked, but
I think the President has always planned, as he did last year, to
give a speech on Earth Day and I expect that he will.  If it's not
exactly on Earth Day, it might be a day before or something like
that.

	     Q	  Is he planning to sign or announce the signing of
the biodiversity treaty in connection with Earth Day?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Again, I don't know the specific
timing of something like that, but it's certainly something under
discussion and something we've been working on.

	     Q	  Campaign finance reform?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  We're working on it.

	     Q	  Do you think it will be next week?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'm just not sure.

	     Q	  The biodiversity treaty is something you're working
on?  I missed the question.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Yes, something we're working on.
He asked if it was ready to be signed, and I said I didn't know
anything about that but it's something we've certainly been working
on.

	     Q	  Do you know what organizations might be represented
in this meeting with the gay and lesbian groups?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't.

	     Q	  Do you know if he is going to reconsider being out
of town on the day of the march?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  He's got to be at the Senate
meeting in Jamestown, and I believe he's also going to be giving a
speech to the American Association of Newspaper Publishers in Boston
on Sunday, as he did last year.

	     Q	  Would you have told us if she had not pressed you
on the question?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  On what?

	     Q	  On the gays.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  When we went through the
President's schedule for the day, certainly.

	     Q?	    George, what day is the publisher's speech?  Is
that Sunday?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think it's a Sunday.

	     Q	  And Saturday he'll be in Jamestown?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Yes.

	     Q	  So you're just going to be in Jamestown for one
day?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  No, I'm not sure.  I don't know how
long the Senate thing goes.  It might go overnight.  I just don't
know.

	     Q	  You would have made the gay meeting public, right?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'm certain if we had the meeting
-- I don't know about open to the press, but we would have told you
about it.

	     Q	  I mean, because it is, as far as I can tell, the
first time in history a President has met in the Oval Office with --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I didn't say it was going to be in
the Oval Office.  (Laughter.)  But I didn't -- I'm not say that it's
not, but I didn't say that it was.  (Laughter.)

	     Q	     at the White House in the Bush administration
gay officials were invited to a bill signing ceremony and the White
House had to repudiate having done that.  So I just wanted to make
sure --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, the President wouldn't do
anything like that.

	     Q	  Certainly not.

	     Q	  What marching orders did the President give to
General Vessey?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  They had a very good discussion for
about half an hour today.  He wanted -- the most important thing was
he had a full accounting for American POWs and MIAs.  He will
obviously look into the circumstances surrounding this new document.
The President stressed that he wanted the fullest possible accounting
and said that only when we have that can we even consider any changes
in our policy towards Vietnam.  He'll be looking at Vietnam's
response to the questions raised by the document and he'll also look
into investigations on discrepancy cases, increased efforts on
remains, implementing trilateral investigations -- and access to
military archives.

	     And Ambassador Toon also briefed the President on the
activities of the joint commission and on the document.

	     Q	  Vietnam says it's a fake.  What is the DOD analysis
at this stage?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  It's not completed yet, and it's
also the first thing that General Vessey will bring up with the
Vietnamese.

	     Q	  A number of Defense officials have been saying that
they think that the 600 or so prisoners referred to are, in fact,
non-Americans that the Vietnamese had captured who they referred to
as Americans from time to time.  Do people --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  We don't have any final
determination.  We're going to wait for the complete review; when we
have it, we'll make a judgment.

	     Q	  I know you don't have any final determination, but
given all of the intense public interest in this, do you think that
that's a likely possibility?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I just don't want to characterize
it in any way until the review is complete.

	     Q	  George, was there a topic scheduled for the speech
in Boston?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  No.

	     Q	  Is the President going to have a press conference
tomorrow with Miyazawa?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think so, but I'm not positive.
Yes, I expect, yes.

	     Q	  Was Toon in with Vessey?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Yes.

	     Q	  He was in on the meeting?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Yes.

	     Q	  What was the question?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Was Ambassador Toon in with Vessey,
and the answer is yes.

	     Q	  Do you have any response to The Wall Street Journal
report this morning the President's distressed about some of his
press clippings and that perhaps he's distressed with you about that?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  No.  Well, I do have a response.  I
think the article was highly misleading to the extent that it implied
that the President has had restricted access to the press.  I would
point out that he's answered 358 questions on 77 occasions, more than
any of his predecessors. I would also point out it also --

	     Q	  How many questions?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Three hundred fifty-eight, on 77
occasions.

	     Q	  How many were while he was jogging?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, no, that's actually a very
good question, Andrea.  And I would point out further that the
article also implied that these questions were only answered at
tightly controlled photo opportunities, which is just patently false.
He's had 13 press conferences in either the East Room, the Oval
Office or the Roosevelt Room or the Briefing Room, in addition to
questions taken at photo opportunities, and that is only the --

	     Q	  Oval Office press conference -- when was that?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  He's answered questions in the --
East Room.  He's had five in the East Room, he's had one in the Oval
Office, he's had one in the Rose Garden, he's had one or two in the
Roosevelt Room.  And this is just to the White House, Washington
Press Corps.  In addition to that, he's had 17 interviews with local
television anchors.  He's met with the editorial board of The
Portland Oregonian.  He's had an hour-long interview with Dan Rather.
He's had interviews with local press from California, Florida and
Connecticut --

	     Q	  Can you address the question of the attitude?  The
article implies that he doesn't --

	     Q	  Why doesn't he like us?  (Laughter.)

	     Q	  Did you really get blamed for that Post story?

	     Q	  The story is that you -- are you held responsible
for it.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't think I'm going to comment
about this.

	     Q	  Are you denying that the President has shown
displeasure publicly?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I am not commenting on the
discussions between the President and myself.

	     Q	  Did the President write that letter to Chris
Webber?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  What?

	     Q	  The letter to the University of Michigan basketball
player?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Oh, yes.

	     Q	  That is an authentic letter?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Yes.

	     Q	  Since the President first talked about the VAT in
February, he said at the time that he thought there probably should
be exceptions made in basic necessities such as food and clothing.
Does he still hold that position given the impact it could have?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Again, I just can't comment on a
proposal he hasn't made.

	     Q	  George, does the President have some agenda for
this meeting with the gay leaders tomorrow?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, I think it will just a
general meeting on the wide range of issues that they care about
including AIDS and other issues -- civil rights.

	     Q	  The military issue?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'm certain it will come up.

	     Q	  Is he using this event to name the AIDS --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't think so.

	     Q	  George, what specifically is the President doing to
prepare for tomorrow's meeting with the Prime Minister Miyazawa?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  He's had briefing memos.  He's had
general discussions with members of the Treasury Department, the
Trade Representative and others.

	     Q	     report yet?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know if he has the report
referred to in The Times, but Ambassador Kantor was here to brief him
today.

	     Q	  He was?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Yes.

	     Q	  Does he intend to use any of these instances that
--

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Again, I don't know that the
report's been presented.  But obviously, the President will press
hard in any case where he thinks that a violation has occurred.

	     Q	  In terms of the Wall Street Journal, the thrust was
that there's a real schism here -- a hostility.  Do you think he
feels that way?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Not at all.  As I said on the
record in the article, I think the President likes reporters.  Again,
I think that the thrust of the article was still misleading.  The
thrust of the article was that in some way, some attitude which the
President may or may not have is affecting access when, in fact, he
has the most open, accessible administration than have any in recent
history.

	     Q	  Can we come up to your office?  (Laughter.)

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  If you're invited.

	     THE PRESS:  Thank you.

                                 END                    1:34 P.M. EDT


Gee, I remember the old 8" FLOPPY disks we used on an S-100 CP/M system
back in high school.  Not to mention those old 24" multi-platter disk
packs that held about 15MB that went in the big washing machine
drives at the local college I took some programming classes at.
And this was even in the early '80's....

Tom
paladin@world.std.com


Readers,

I own a Mac IIsi and am considering upgrades (cards, hard drive, etc).
Can you tell me what the power limitations are for 1) the PDS slot
and 2) the hard drive power feed. Secondly, Can you tell me if there
is a separate limit for each, or if instead, there is a single limit
for both combined?

Please drop me a line if you know the answers to these questions.
Thanks,


In fact, they make some ,but they just don't sell them here in U.S.

Sunny California is a 1.6l wagon based on Sentra.
Avenil is a 2.0l 4WD/2WD wagon .(It looks like Infinity G20
but actually it's independently designed to be a wagon.I mean, it's
not based on any sedans.)

Nissan had better consider to sell them here.

Sounds nice. But I doubt they have a plan. Coz Avenil was introduced
to replace any sedan based wagon.


There is no database for infantile spasms, nor a newsgroup, that I
know of.  The medical library will be the best source of information
for you.

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AllMartin EmdeDMM Advice Needed

ME>From: mce5921@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Martin Emde)
ME>Organization: Boeing
ME>
ME>I an currely in the market for a DMM and recently saw an add
ME>for a Kelvin 94 ($199).  Does anyone own one of these or some
ME>other brand that they are extremely happy with.  How do the
ME>small name brands compare with the Fluke and Beckman brands?
ME>I am willing to spend ~$200 for one.
ME>
ME>Any help is greatly appreciated. (please email)
ME>
ME>-Martin

If you are going to use one where it counts (eg:aviation, space scuttle,
etc) then I suggest you go and buy a Fluke (never seen a Beckman), however
for every other use you can buy a cheapie. I have a metex which is some
made up name, as I have seen the same DMM with other brand names on it, I
bought it about 4 yrs ago for Aus$125.00 (convert that to US and you see
that it's definetly a cheapie.) So far it has proved to be accurate, taken
moderate abuse, and has many features on it (CAP, FREQ,Transistor check,
etc). I am very happy with it and would definetly not buy a fluke just for
the name. Hope this helps.


Francis got 101 in 89-90, his last full season with Hartford.


         When did Bill start doing endorsements?

         Will he do the "Remington Shaver" ad?


I have the March/April version of the X Journal open in front of me.

I'll be working on programming x-clients this summer, and since I don't have
much experience with programming X, I thought this issue might be helpful
as it has a section on debugging, and a section on the 40 most common errors
in programming X.

At the end of the errors section, there are the following references for
tutorials on X programming style.  They are:

Rosenthal, David -   A simple X11 client program
  Proceedings of the Winter 1988 Usenix Conference, 1988.

Lemke, D., and Rosenthal, D. -  Visualizing X11 clients
  Proceedings of the Winter 1989 Usenix Conference, 1989.

Does anyone know where I could find these in printed or (preferably)
electronic form?

Or can you suggest any net resources devoted to the introduction to
programming X (I'll be looking at the bookstore for books, so I am really
only asking about what I can find on the net.)

Thanks,

David Simpson


[MODERATOR:  Nice summary, Keith, thanks.]

I talked to the federal Dept. of Justice (DOJ, Ottawa) to try and
clarify a bunch of things regarding changes to Canadian gun laws.
I am posting here for informational purposes; questions to email,
followup to t.p.g.

1. It is still technically feasible (but almost impossible) to get
   a concealed carry permit in Canada.  This is contrary to what I
   was told by a police officer.
2. It is still legal to use lethal force (such as a firearm) to
   protect life, also contrary to what the officer told me.  Guns
   must be stored locked up and unloaded, however.
3. Regarding hi-capacity magazines, it is still not clear who will
   be exempt or how this will be managed.  This is up to each province.
   The general idea is that exempt persons will receive a letter/form
   authorizing them to possess the high capacity magazines.
   Apparently, the authorization is to specify how many of these
   'prohibited weapons' you will be allowed to possess.  Dealers will
   be allowed to order high capacity mags for those allowed to possess
   them, but will not be allowed to stock them.
4. High capacity magazines converted to comply with the new limits will
   not be considered prohibited weapons.  Amendments to the regulations
   specify some possible methods to alter the magazines.  Some
   manufacturers (Beretta) will be marketing reduced capacity magazines.
   (God knows how much they'll charge for these)

This covers most of what we discussed.  I have typed this from memory,
do not take it as gospel.  I am not a lawyer and I refuse to play one on TV.

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I have read one report of a brave soul who rewired the 40 mhz clock and a higher
speed clock oscillator's outputs through a double throw switch to allow different
 speeds. There was no mention of any attempts to switch speeds on the fly but
if the SI uses timing loops anything like a Quadra for accessing its floppy
drive, dynamic switching will wreak havoc. A Quadra must reboot after having its
clock speed significantly changed or it will be unable to properly access its
floppy drive.


I hear ya, brother.

        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Let's try WEEKS! It is April 18th today and I just finished reading posts
regarding the Cleveland Indians boating tragedy. Needless to say, I don't want
to read partial linescores of games played 3 weeks ago.

As Charles mentioned (I excluded the quote): Join a mailing list if you want to
woof (I consider entering 4th inning scores as woofing). Thank you. Now to
plug on and read the rest of the posts about spring training...

 _____________________________________________________________________________
     Jim Savoy          University Of Lethbridge         savoy@hg.uleth.ca


So it was a complete non-sequitur, is that it?     How does coming
up with a derisory deal tell us anything about the existence of
"objective" values.

You're asking us to accept that the deal you offered would be turned
down, and we believe that, not because we appeal to objective values
but becasue we know, or think we know, something about people.

All the people we know exhibit *subjective* values that would lead
them to reject a deal of $1 for all of the land in America.

Great.   Now, so what?


+Last night, while watching the 2a.m. rebroadcast of Jerry Springer (a
+talk show) I heard this Jewel of a thought from a 12 year old racist.
+The focus of this show was on these kids and their hatred for the Jewish
+religion, and why.

[some stuff deleted]

+Interesting (and scary) no?  They went on to say how the Jews had
+killed their god, and how in the end of time that all the races would
+go to their homelands (of course, they would remain in America, which
+is New Jeruselem, as it says in Gen 2??? (what another kid said) but
+the rest of the races would go home) and then the great battle or plague
+or whatever Revel. says would happen, and the jews would be killed.
+
+The most interesting thing about this was that my roomate is Catholic,
+and had the KJV of the Bible on his desk.  He immediatly opened it up
+and began to search for the quoted passages (Gen, Rev, and John) to
+look for himself, and couldn't find what they said they saw.  I don't
+know

I saw this show a while back, and when I heard these kids
quote the Bible to justify their racist claims, I looked up
that quote about Jesus hating Jews (since Jesus himself was a
Jew, my curiousity had been piqued by such a claim).
The jist of the passage (and I am sorry but I can't recall
which passage it was exactly) was that Jesus was condemning
the Pharisees for being corrupt.
Of course, the Pharisees were Jewish too, but it wasn't Jews
as a whole that Jesus was condemning, just the powers that be.


heat
This tops the cold-hearted bastard list!  Unbelievable!  Had this countries
morals sunk this low, that the death of innocent people is so callously viewed?

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Hi,

I have a few enquiries about PC's and compatibles in general.. Some software
others hardware orientated.. (Probably the wrong newsgroup .... as everyone
claims..)

Anyway..

1) Does any one happen to have the board jumper details for a Trident 8900
SVGA graphics card (1MB) or even what the dip switches do on the end.. Mine
already works fine (albeit slow) and after having blown up a monitor I found
out which switch controlled the interlace/non interlace facility..

But I'm curious as to why there are 8 dip switches on the card with apparantly
little use..

2) Secondly, does anyone know why Commodore had to be so crazed in their design
of the PC-40 motherboard with respect to the RAM.. (IE 512 + 512 or 640 +0K) ??

3) Can anyone supply pin details for the expansion ports for a pc (8 or 16 bit
) .. or even a sample circuit to cause an irq when a button is pressed...
(Yeah I know its a piece of cake.. I'm lazy 8)

4) Software wise.. Anyone care to divulge some tips on accessing expanded RAM
on a PC (from a program written in Turbo C++)....

For instance, using farcoreleft() and coreleft() return only memory available
from the base 640K regardless of combinations of EMM386 etc etc...
What I want is to be able to use the RAM above and beyond the 1MB boundary...

I'm not certain whether farmalloc / new actually uses it anyway but I'll
suspect not ..

5) Also.. what half brained wit created DOS so as not to be re-entrant??????
   As a follow on, does anyone have any comments about the use of DOS calls
   0 to 0C from within a DOS interrupt? Ie will changing the stack size on
   entry be of use.. Two articles I've read on the subject have given
   conflicting views... Does anyone have any views on writing direct to
   screen memory in terms of portability?


What about the common joystick found in all computer shops?


Any comments of AMD microprocessors?  good?, bad?


Could someone direct me to information on SCSI performance for each Mac?
(Max throughput, etc.)

Kurt Tiedtke
ktiedtke@jarthur.claremont.edu


	First let me correct myself in that it was Goerbels and
not Goering (Airforce) who ran the Nazi propaganda machine. I
agree that Arab news sources are also inherently biased. But I
believe the statement I was reacting to was that since the
american accounts of events are not fully like the Israeli
accounts, the Americans are biased. I just thought that the
Israelis had more motivation for bias.
	The UN has tried many times to condemn Israel for its
gross violation of human rights. However the US has vetoed most
such attempts. It is interesting to note that the U.S. is often
the only country opposing such condemnation (well the U.S. and
Israel). It is also interesting to note that that means
other western countries realize these human rights violations.
So maybe there are human rights violations going on after all.


<stuff deleted>

It has been announced that the Senators will move their AHL franchise to
Charlottetown, P.E.I. (Prince Edward Island), not New Brunswick.


A while back I asked for help in defending a traffic ticket I received.
 In short:
     The ticket was for not stopping at a stop sign. Given the conditions
   I could not stop in time and decided instead of sliding right through the
   intersection, I would complete my right-turn and avoid a possible accident.
   A police cruiser happened to be approaching the intersection from my left
   and gave me the ticket.
     The officer said "The only reason that you even slowed down in the first
   place was that you saw me approaching, otherwise you would have bombed right
   through"

  I would like to thank all those who responded favorably to my request for
 help. To all of those who told me to bite the bullet and pay the fine:
 PHGHGHGHGH..

 The judge sided with me and decided that in this case "Not stopping" was the
 safest thing to do and found me NOT GUILTY.

  The officer's statement and my account of the conditions at the time (very
  slippery, backed by newpaper weather conditions) were the factors what made
  the judge decide on his verdict.

  Moral: If you have never been to court before and you think you have a case,
	 go for it. It is a very interesting process, and it is there for
	 your benefit. Exercise your rights.

 Trev


COMPUTER HARDWARE
  	   ( all are working fine last time checked )

Tandy 360k external floppy drive with cable (hardly used)
                                    ..................... $70

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Does any one out there listen to WFAN?  For those of you who do
not know what I am talking about, it is an all sports radio
staion in New York.  On a clear night the signal reaches up and
down the East coast.  In particular, I want to know how Len
Berman and Mike Lupica's show is.  I go to school in Virginia
so I can't listen when there are on during the day.  Just
wondering.

Jonathan Alboum
UVA


This is posted on behalf of Peter Tattam.  There is a North American
mirror with the beta test version of WinTrumpet for Winsock.  Please
contact me or Peter for details.

Ashok


[reply to dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott)]

I know of a patient who was severely and chronically depressed and tried
to kill himself with a bullet to the temple.  He essentially gave
himself a prefrontal lobotomy, curing the depression.


What else do you expect?  Israel is trying to portray itself
as the great democracy.  One requirement is to have a leader
who previously had an extra-marital affair (e.g. Bill Clinton)
It helps if your wife says it's OK.


I too am interested in peoples' experience with accelerators for the
SE.  Is an accelerator the best route to improve performace in my SE, or should
I consider upgrading to an SE/30 motherboard?  Obviously, buying a new mac
would be ideal, but alas, I only have enough money for an accelerator or
motherboard.
	E-mail reply preferred.  Thanks.


: I have 19 (2 MB worth!) uuencode'd GIF images contain charts outlining
: one of the many alternative Space Station designs being considered in
: Crystal City.  [...]

I just posted the GIF files out for anonymous FTP on server ics.uci.edu.
You can retrieve them from:
  ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode01.gif
  ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode02.gif
  ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode03.gif
  ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode04.gif
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  ics.uci.edu:incoming/geodeA.gif
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The last two are scanned color photos; the others are scanned briefing
charts.

These will be deleted by the ics.uci.edu system manager in a few days,
so now's the time to grab them if you're interested.  Sorry it took
me so long to get these out, but I was trying for the Ames server,
but it's out of space.

-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
      kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov  (713) 483-4368


:   I have normal procomm plus for dos, but I've been considering buying
: the windows version....it got really great reviews in computer shopper.
: I have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here
: using it, but the screen seems to have a problem keeping up with the
: modem....he has a 14,400 modem on a 486 50 Mhz machine.  I can't
: see it having trouble keeping up.  His pcplus for dos works great,

re: What to do after the high speed modem arrives.       Edition 01 Apr 93

This article applies only to Windows 3.0 and 3.1, and not to NT, OS/2
or DOS apps not running under Windows.

One of the unadvertised limitations of most current Windows PCs is that
their RS-232C (serial, COM) performance is seriously deficient.  Almost
everyone who purchases a high-speed modem (V.32bis, V.32, PEP or HST)
discovers the problem the first time they try to download a file or accept
an incoming FAX (at 9600+) after upgrading the modem.  Overrun and retry
errors abound, even when the only active application is the datacomm or
FAX program.  If the transfer completes at all, it may take even longer
than with the old 2400bps modem.

There are three reasons for the problem:

1. The Universal Asynchronous Receiver/Transmitters (UARTs) used in most
   PCs are primitive Ns8250 devices with single-byte FIFO buffers.  If the
   operating system/driver cannot read and flush each character at high
   interrupt rates, the next incoming character overwrites the FIFO and
   the previous one is lost.  DOS, being a fairly single-minded
   environment during datacomm, can usually keep up. Windows can't.

2. Windows has more operating system overhead than plain DOS, and
   interrupts often take longer to service.  Overruns are much more likely
   than under DOS.  As soon as you report to your PC/modem vendor that you
   are losing data, you may be advised that "you need to upgrade to a
   16550". More likely, since there seems to be a conspiracy of ignorance
   about this issue,  you'll get no useful advice at all.  Most of the
   store-front and mail-order sources I spoke with in attempting to solve
   my own problem had never heard the term "16550" and many didn't even
   know what a UART was.

3. Even your PC has Ns16550A UARTs (and PS/2's do), or if you can upgrade
   your mother/COM board or add a new COM board, you may STILL experience
   errors and overruns because the standard MicroSoft Windows COM drivers
   don't take full advantage of the 16550.  Windows 3.1 is improved in this
   regard over 3.0, but I still recommend a driver upgrade.  Applications
   like ProComm+/Win (which is what I use) cannot get around this problem
   by themselves.

If you have a modem CARD, you may not have a problem, as the modem part of
the card can be designed to be aware of the state of the UART, and avoid
overrunning it; however, I wouldn't want to bet that the card designers
were that clever, and will insist on a 16550 UART if I ever buy a modem
card.  Some modem cards don't even have conventional UARTs, but if they
are to work with standard Windows drivers, they need to simulate one.
Use MSD.EXE (below) to see what the modem card is, or is pretending to be.

The Hardware Situation.

The UARTs on most PC COM ports are based on National Semiconductor Ns8250
or Ns16450 chips (or megacells inside VLSI chips where you can't replace
them).  You can ID the UART type on your system by running the MicroSoft
diagnostic program \WINDOWS\MSD.EXE.  Be sure to run it in DOS *before*
bringing up Windows.   The Windows serial API may prevent MSD from
accurately identifying a 16550 if you run it from a Windows DOS prompt.

The Ns16550 UART has separate 16-byte transmit and receive FIFOs with
configurable trigger levels, and can run reliably at clock rates up to
460,800 bps, although with current modem technology, there's no point in
pushing your luck by going over 115,200 bps. The 16550 has shorted access
cycle times than the 16450 or 8250.  The 16550 also has DMA capability, but
it is not clear that any PC drivers ever use this.  For more technical info,
see National Semiconductor Application Note AN-491.

So, what UART component do you have?

Try to locate the UART on your mother board, multi-function I/O card, COM
board or ISA/MCA modem card.  If you can't find a socketed component with
the numbers "8250" or "16450", your COM ports are probably buried in VLSI,
and you won't be able to perform a chip replacement.  If you can DISABLE
your VLSI COM ports (as I chose to do), you can at least add an aftermarket
COM board.

If you have one or more socketed 8250 or 16450 chips, you can buy plug-in
Ns16550AFN or PC16C550CN (low power CMOS version) ICs from several
suppliers typically for $9 to $15 each.  The "N" chip is the normal 40-pin
dual-in-line package.  Other styles are available, but avoid any Ns16550
chips without the "A" (the 16C550C are presumably all OK).

Early Ns chips have bugs, although National will reportedly exchange those
of their own manufacture for free.  Clone chips are available from various
IC makers other than National.  The manual for the TurboCom drivers states
support for the following (apparently equivalent) chips:
National Semiconductor: 16550A, 16551, 16552
Chips&Technology:       82C607
Texas Instruments:      t16c550a
Silicon Systems:        73M550
VLSI                    16C550
TurboCom warns about the pre-"A" Ns16550 and Western Digital 16C550,
says that problems have been reported with early IBM PS/2 55SX and 70
systems (IBM reportedly will upgrade them).

If you DON'T have socketed 8250/16450 chips, you'll need to buy an after-
market COM or multi-function board. If this is a modem card situation, you
may be hosed. To add a new COM or multi-function card, you'll need to
either disable the COM1/2 port(s) you are replacing, or re-assign them to
COM3/4 (although watch out for IRQ conflicts without TurboCom).

Although cheaper cards are available, in the interest of getting the
problem solved quickly I elected buy the Modular Circuit Technology
MCT-AIO+ card from:

JDR Microdevices
2233 Samaritan Drive
San Jose  CA  95124
(800) 538-5000 voice US
(408) 559-1200 voice other
(800) 538-5005 FAX US

The MCT-AIO+ (and the "+" is important) sells for $89.95.  It is an 8-bit
ISA card providing:

Port Type  Connector  Address and IRQ        Comments
COM        DB9M       COM 1,2,3 IRQ 2,3,4,5  Ns16550AFN in socket
COM        ribbon     COM 2,3,4 IRQ 2,3,4,5  Ns16550AFN in socket
Parallel   DB25F      LPT1,2,3  IRQ 5,7
Game       ribbon

The kit includes a ribbon cable and DB25F connector for the secondary COM
port, a ribbon cable/connector for the game port, two bulkhead plates for
the ribbon-based connectors and a 9F-to-25F adaptor cable.  Each port can
be individually disabled, and the COM ports have TX, RX, RTS, CTS, DTR,
DCD, and DSR jumpers.

JDR also sells a Super-I/O m-f card that also has IDE.

I have heard from several people about less expensive m-f I/O cards
with 16550s:

TSD Systems
(407) 331-9130
$19.95 for the card, plus $9.95 per 16550.

Greenfield Trading and Distributors
(518) 271-2473 (voice), (518) 271-7811(FAX).
Their card is $33 w/one 16550, $45 w/2, and they sell 16550AFNs for $13.

R&S DATA SYSTEMS, INC.
820 East Highway 434
Longwood, FL  32750
PHONE: (407) 331-1424
FAX: (407) 331-8606
2COM/LPT/Game card w/2 16550s for $39

I have no personal experience with any of the firms except JDR.

Meanwhile, back at the MCT card from JDR... I only needed two serial ports,
and am running out of IRQs on my PC, so I disabled my built-in VLSI-based
8250 ports. However, with the TurboCom driver (below), I could have set
the internals as COM3 and 4, using IRQ sharing.

The Software Situation

Simply upgrading to 16550 UARTs will not completely solve common overrun
problems.  The standard MS serial drivers don't take full advantage of the
16550. The Windows 3.0 drivers are even less capable, and the Windows 3.1
drivers have the following limitations:
 - They enable only the receive FIFO, and only at rates above 2400 bps.
 - They never enable the transmit FIFO, which  results in an interrupt
   rate of 10x during uploads.
 - They set the trigger level at 14 bytes (too high - it's easy for 2
   more bytes to arrive before the driver can read the FIFO).
 - The Ports menu of the Control Panel only allows speeds up to 19200.
   With a V.32bis modem,  sparse data and text can easily compress 3:1
   or more, suggesting that a host DTE connect rate of 57,600 bps would
   be effective.
 - The API won't accept rates above "CBR_128000".
 - The API won't let DOS programs know there is a 16550 there, and even
   if it did, DOS programs that aren't 16550-aware get little benefit
   from a 16550 port with the standard drivers.
 - They don't allow IRQ sharing for COM3,4.
 - The BIOS doesn't initialize COM3,4 properly in many systems.
 - Windows provides no workaround for apps that don't provide port
   speed options above 19200 bps.

These problems are reportedly NOT solved in Windows NT or DOS 6.0, and may
or may not be addressed in any Windows releases after 3.1 (but before 4.0).
Rumors suggest they "may" be solved in Windows "4.0".

You can get replacement drivers that solve all of those problems by buying
a copy of "TurboCom", current version 1.2, from:

Bio-Engineering Research
Pacific CommWare Division
180 Beacon Hill Lane
Ashland  OR   97520-9701
(503) 482-2744 voice
(503) 482-2627 FAX
(503) 482-2633 BBS
MCImail:    344-5374
CompuServe: 71521,760

Price was around $50 as I recall.  Bio-Eng is not set up to accept credit
cards, so I had to send a check.  Egghead and 1-800-Software list TurboCom
but as far as I know, they don't stock it.  Bio is not a software company
per se.  They apparently needed reliable hi-speed serial connections for
an in-house instrument application, wrote their own driver, discovered a
market for it, revised it to be a general purpose COM driver suite. They
recently upgraded it for Windows 3.1.  It is run-time licensed.

I now have my host (DTE) connect rate set to 57,600 bps most of  my
datacomm apps, and I am having ZERO problems with downloads. I routinely
see transfer rates that exceed 2,000 bps. I am also using 115,200 bps
when linking an HP95LX to my PC, with lossless bi-directional I/O.
Uploads to various remote systems are another matter, because many hosts
are still using antique UARTs and drivers.

Note that 19200 is still the highest rate that the Windows 3.1 Port menu
in Control Panel will allow in configuring a COM port.  TurboCom gets
around this by allowing you to specify, on each port, a factor that will
set the real UART rate to a multiple of the rate passed through the
Windows APIs and dialog boxes.

I also have CTS/RTS hardware flow control enabled, and I suggest that you
do the same.  Even if you only ever transfer 7-bit ASCII data, Xon/XOff is
not a sufficiently reliable method of flow control.  The informal (DEC)
standard for Xon/Xoff hysteresis is that the sender may transmit another
16 (yes, sixteen) bytes after receipt of the Xoff from the receiving
system or device.  The 16 byte FIFO in the 16550 is clearly not big enough
to let us rely exclusively on Xon/Xoff.  A well-respected datacomm
engineer has informed me that the 16550's can't really do CTS/RTS all
by itself in the DOS/Windows environment, so using data rates above
115,200 may still be risky.

Even with hardware flow control, a 16550 with TurboCom can still
experience overruns in very busy systems, with lots of apps running and
serious swapping in progress. If this is your situation, you may need to
buy a co-processed COM board, but this will cost you more than a
16550/TurboCom upgrade.  A review of two such boards, and a review of
TurboCom, can be found in the Feb'93 issue of "Windows Sources" magazine.
I suggest trying a 16550/TurboCom upgrade first, and experiment with
process priorities and time slices if you are a "power user" whose
thrashing system still runs into comm problems.

Closing Soapbox Comments

The state of RS-232C serial datacomm support is an embarrassment across
the computer industry.  Because it is the oldest standard I/O interface,
the job of designing hardware and writing software often seems to be
assigned to the least senior or lowest ranked engineers at computer
companies.  The design of the average serial port is at least ten years
behind the state of the art. In my last job, with a major workstation
vendor, I lobbied for improved serial ports when they were doing the
initial designs of a new system.  That family of machines was
subsequently introduced with 16550 ports.  However, this is the
exception.  Few computer companies seem to have any champions for decent
I/O.

You may as well learn what you can about serial I/O, because this
situation shows no sign of improving soon.  When V.FAST arrives, I expect
cries of outrage from Windows users world-wide whose 8250 PCs "sort of"
work today with V.32, but will fail miserably with V.FAST.  Without a
hardware-buffered UART (like the 16550) and without software drivers that
use that UART to best advantage, a V.FAST modem will be a waste of money.

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I have become involved in a project to further develop and
improve the performance of SPECT (Single Photon Emission
Computerized Tomography) imaging.  We will eventually have
to peddle this stuff somewhere, and so as I move this thing
along, I would like to know --

What is the current resolution of SPECT imaging?  What kinds
of jobs is SPECT used for, specifically?  What kind of specific jobs
could I hope
that SPECT could be used for, if its resolution improved,
say, to close to that of PET (Positron Emission Tomography)?
And how much does a SPECT machine cost?  How much does a single
SPECT image cost?

If anyone knows the answer to any or all of these questions, OR
where I could find that answer, I would be very grateful, indeed.
Thanks in advance for any replies


Are you comparing Cullen to Salami?  I would say that that is valid.  If
Winnipeg is such a lousy defensive team then why the hell does Salami
stand around the other team's blueline when the puck is in his own end?

Excuse me?  Are the Jets playing .500 hockey?  Let me check...yes - but just
barely.  They have allowed more goals than they have scored.  Sounds an
awful lot like Salami's +/- to me.  Sounds like they would be just as well
off - or better - if he played the solid two-way game that our friends in
Finland claim he is capable of.  But if he did that he wouldn't be chal-
lenging for the league lead in goals would he?  The Bi-Planes might be
challenging for first however...

Now let's see...you have compared Timo to Anderson and Cullen.  Who's
next?  Mike Foligno?

Some of our Finnish friends who have watched him play claim that he
can play a solid two-way game.  I would have to say that this style
of contribution would be more conducive to winning.  Or don't you
think so?

I don't believe it!  You did compare him to Foligno!  (And I honestly hadn't
read this far).

It would help if you used a little discrimination in your thinking.  Your
contributions would be more highly valued if we could see that you weren't
trying to be merely argumentative.

cordially, as always,

rm


That plastic bodywork is useless. That torque, and an upright riding position is
better than a slightly or radically forward riding position combined with a high-rpm
low torque motor.

To a cruiser-motorcyclist, chrome has some importance. To sport-bike motorcyclists
chrome has very little impact on buying choice.

Unless motivated solely by price, these are the criteria each rider uses to select
the vehicle of choice.

To ignore these, as well as other criteria, would be insensitive. In other words,
no one motorcycle can fufill the requirements that a sport-bike rider and a cruiser
rider may have.(sometimes it's hard for *any* motorcycle to fufill a person's requirements)

You're fishing for flames, Dave.

This difference of opinion is analogous to the difference
between Sports-car owners, and luxury-car owners.

This is a moot conversation.

--
=> Dan DeClerck                        | EMAIL: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com     <=
=> Motorola Cellular APD               |                                  <=
=>"Friends don't let friends wear neon"| Phone: (708) 632-4596            <=


SSF is up for redesign again.  Let's do it right this
time!  Let's step back and consider the functionality we want:

[1] microgravity/vacuum process research
[2] life sciences research (adaptation to space)
[3] spacecraft maintenence

The old NASA approach, explified by Shuttle and SSF so far, was to
centralize functionality.  These projects failed to meet
their targets by a wide margin: the military and commercial users
took most of their payloads off Shuttle after wasting much effort to
tie their payloads to it, and SSF has crumbled into disorganization
and miscommunication.  Over $50 billion has been spent on these
two projects with no reduction in launch costs and littel improvement
in commercial space industrialization.  Meanwhile, military and commercial
users have come up with a superior strategy for space development: the
constellation.

Firstly, different functions are broken down into different
constellations placed in the optimal orbit for each function:
thus we have the GPS/Navstar constellation in 12-hour orbits,
comsats in Clarke and Molniya orbits, etc.  Secondly, the task
is distributed amongst several spacecraft in a constellation,
providing for redundancy and full coverage where needed.

SSF's 3 main functions require quite different environments
and are also prime candidates for constellization.

[1] We have the makings of a microgravity constellation now:
COMET and Mir for long-duration flights, Shuttle/Spacelab for
short-duration flights.  The best strategy for this area is
inexpensive, incremental improvement: installation of U.S. facilities
on Mir, Shuttle/Mir linkup, and transition from Shuttle/Spacelab
to a much less expensive SSTO/Spacehab/COMET or SSTO/SIF/COMET.
We might also expand the research program to take advantage of
interesting space environments, eg the high-radiation Van Allen belt
or gas/plasma gradients in comet tails.  The COMET system can
be much more easily retrofitted for these tasks, where a
station is too large to affordably launch beyond LEO.

[2] We need to study life sciences not just in microgravity,
but also in lunar and Martian gravities, and in the radiation
environments of deep space instead of the protected shelter
of LEO.  This is a very long-term, low-priority project, since
astronauts will have little practical use in the space program
until costs come down orders of magnitude.  Furthermore, using
astronauts severely restricts the scope of the investigation,
and the sample size.  So I propose LabRatSat, a constellation
tether-bolo satellites that test out various levels of gravity
in super-Van-Allen-Belt orbits that are representative of the
radiation environment encountered on Earth-Moon, Earth-Mars,
Earth-asteroid, etc. trips.  The miniaturized life support
machinery might be operated real-time from earth thru a VR
interface.  AFter several orbital missions have been flown,
follow-ons can act as LDEFs on the lunar and Martian surface,
testing out the actual environment at low cost before $billions
are spent on astronauts.

[3] By far the largest market for spacecraft servicing is in
Clarke orbit.  I propose a fleet of small teleoperated
robots and small test satellites on which ground engineers can
practice their skills.  Once in place, robots can pry stuck
solar arrays and antennas, attach solar battery power packs,
inject fuel, etc.  Once the fleet is working, it can be
spun off to commercial company(s) who can work with the comsat
companies to develop comsat replaceable module standards.

By applying the successful constellation strategy, and getting
rid of the failed centralized strategy of STS and old SSF, we
have radically improved the capability of the program while
greatly cutting its cost.  For a fraction of SSF's pricetag,
we can fix satellites where the satellites are, we can study
life's adaptation to a much large & more representative variety
of space environments, and we can do microgravity and vacuum
research inexpensively and, if needed, in special-purpose
orbits.

N.B., we can apply the constellation strategy to space exploration
as well, greatly cutting its cost and increasing its functionality.
Mars Network and Artemis are two good examples of this; more ambitiously
we can set up a network of native propellant plants on Mars that can be used
to fuel planet-wide rover/ballistic hopper prospecting and
sample return.  The descendants of LabRatSat's technology can
be used as a Mars surface LDEF and to test out closed-ecology
greenhouses on Mars at low cost.


From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
Subject: From Israeli press. Short notes.

/* Written  4:43 pm  Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */
/* ---------- "From Israeli press. Short notes." ---------- */
FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS

Hadashot, 14 March 1993:

The Israeli Police Department announced on the evening of Friday,
March 12 that it is calling upon [Jewish] Israeli citizens with
gun permits to carry them at all times "so as to contribute to
their security and that of their surroundings".

Ha'aretz, 15 March 1993:

Yehoshua Matza (Likud), Chair of the Knesset Interior Committee,
stated that he intends to demand that the police department make
it clear to the public that anyone who wounds or kills
[non-Jewish] terrorists will not be put on trial.

Ha'aretz, 16 March1993:

Today a private security firm and units from the IDF Southern
Command will begin installation of four magnetic gates in the Gaza
strip, as an additional stage in the upgrading of security
measures in the Strip.

The gates will aid in the searching of [non-Jewish] Gaza residents
as they leave for work in Israel. They can be used to reveal the
presence of knives, axes, weapons and other sharp objects.


Selling -

          Arnet Multiport card. Four serial ports on one card (16450s)
with docs and drivers for OS/2 and DOS (works great with Unix flavors
too).  Aggregate is probably around 64Kb.

   Offers?  Also willing to swap for monitor.


This will be the first of monthly postings of the newsletter of
the Long Island Chapter of the Transplant Recipients
International Organization (TRIO).  Unfortunately, I was unable
to post it before the date of this month's meeting.  I'm
posting it anyway, and posting it world-wide instead of
regional, in the hopes that some of the information may be
useful or illustrative.  Also, I hope it can be used as an
example and inspiration for the posting of other newsletters
and data related to organ transplantation and donation.

Mike

Transplant Recipients
International Organization
Long Island Chapter
P.O. Box 922
Huntington, NY 11743-0922		 NEWSLETTER
516/421-3258
                                         APRIL 1993
                                         VOLUME IV   No. 8

NEXT MEETING

The next meeting is WEDNESDAY APRIL 14 at 8 pm at the Knights
of Columbus Emerald Manor, 517 Uniondale Avenue in Uniondale.
Our guest speaker will be Dr. Lewis Teperman.  Dr. Teperman
trained in Pittsburgh under Dr. Starzl and is now the Assistant
Director of the Liver Transplant Program at New York University
Medical Center.  Dr. Teperman will discuss current trends in
transplantation and treatment and will answer questions.  He is
a long time friend of TRIO, surgeon to many of our members, and
always a gracious and delightful guest.   It is sure to be a
very informative, interesting and engaging evening.  Our
hospitality committee,  Bette and Vito Suglia and Jim Spence
will be well prepared, and at last the weather should be
cooperative. We hope to see a very large gathering to welcome
Dr. Teperman.

          WEDNESDAY    APRIL 14  K of C   UNIONDALE

LAST MEETING

It has been noted here before that the Long Island Chapter of
TRIO has extraordinary power in predicting bad weather, being
able to forecast rain, sleet and snow fully a month in advance.
No TV weatherman can match us. This time we not only scored
again, but we were also able to disable the Long Island
Railroad, making travel REALLY difficult.  None the less, many
braved the snow and we had an interesting meeting and good
conversation.  Our scheduled speaker, Mrs. Elizabeth Linnehan,
a professional nutritionist, had a family emergency and was not
able to attend.  She hope she will be with us in the fall to
discuss diet and medications.  However,  Ms. Jennifer Friedman,
an image consultant and sister of a liver transplant recipient
was kind enough to step in on very short notice.  Ms. Friedman
gave us a lot of good advice about choosing clothes and makeup,
(even a bit for men) to help us look well and healthy and to
minimize some of the cosmetic effects of some of the medicine
and drugs we take.  We are most grateful to Jennifer and thank
her for an entertaining evening.

ANNUAL MEETING

In addition to welcoming Dr. Teperman, the April meeting is
also the Annual meeting of the Chapter.  This is the official
notice of the meeting as required by our By-Laws. The main
purpose of the meeting is to review the past year, solicit
member views and ideas for better ways to meet their needs, and
to elect members of the Board of Directors for the coming two
year term.  The nominating committee has prepared the following
slate for the Board.

         Anne (Liver Recipient) and Don Treffeisen
         Robert (Heart Recipient) and Eulene Smith
         Vito (Kidney Recipient) and Bette Suglia
         Kay Grenzig (Liver Recipient)
         Jan Schichtel (Kidney Recipient)
         Larry Juliano (Kidney Recipient)
         David Bekofsky (Director Public Education LITP)

Those remaining on the Board for another year are:

         Robert Carroll (Liver, Kidney & Pancreas Recipient)
         Jerry (Kidney Recipient) and Jeanne Eichhorn
         Ron (Kidney Donor) and Marie Healy
         Peter Smith (Bone Marrow Recipient)
         Patricia Ann Yankus (Kidney and Pancreas Recipient)
         Walter Ruzak (Kidney Recipient)

This may seem to be a big Board, but many hands make light work
and with our various medical uncertainties, it is good to have
backups for all the jobs on the Board.  Therefore, in addition
to the slate being presented for voting, nominations will also
be accepted from the floor.  There is no set number of Board
members and there is plenty of work.

In addition,  brief treasurer's and membership reports will be
given and the floor will be open for any new business,
suggestions, or comments anyone would like to bring up.

We will keep the formal meeting short so that we can spend the
majority of the time with Dr. Teperman.

FUTURE MEETINGS

Remember the scheduled guests for the rest of the year.

     May  12      Dr. Peter Shaprio, Chief of Psychiatry
                  Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center

     June  9      Dr. Felix Rappaport, Director of the Stony
                  Brook Kidney Transplant Program.

Plan on being with us the second Wednesday of each month.

NOTDAW

The week of April 18-24 is National Organ and Tissue Donor
Awareness Week. NOTDAW. While we are planning news releases,
speaking engagements and meetings with Supervisors Gullata and
Gaffney, we have decided not to have our softball game
because of two year's experience with miserable weather.

We all can help spread the word on donor awareness, however. We
have found it effective to ask your pastor, or rabbi to publish
a letter or announcement in the parish bulletin, allow you to
address the congregation, or include mention of the gift of
life in his sermon.  Attached to this Newsletter is a sample
letter and fact sheet you can use.   Thank you.

DR. STARZL TO BE HONORED

The Long Island Chapter of the American Liver Foundation will
hold its annual Auction and Dinner Dance on May 7th at the
Fountainbleu  on Jericho Turnpike in Jericho.  Dr. Thomas
Starzl will be the honored guest.  Tickets are $50 person and
are going fast.  If you'd like to meet Dr. Starzl,  call Anne
Treffeisen at (516) 421-3258 for details.

MEMBERSHIP NEWS

Congratulations to Al Reese.  Al received his heart transplant
in Pittsburgh after waiting 3 1/2 years.  He is home and doing
well after only 12 days in hospital.

Arthur Michaels, liver recipient, is planning to run the Boston
Marathon in April. What fantastic proof that transplantation
works!  We hope the national press notices.

Bob McCormack, after a persistent bout with infection, had his
transplanted kidney removed.  He is home now, back on dialysis
and feeling better.

Nicole Healy, kidney recipient and daughter of Ron and Marie,
spent the past several weeks in hospital in Miami with problems
encountered on vacation.  Marie has been with her in Florida.
They are back in New York where Nicole's treatment will
continue.  We wish Nicole a speedy recovery.

Kay Grenzig, liver recipient, is mending now after a bad fall
that resulted in a broken arm and a broken leg. Kay is a
candidate for the Board so we need her well soon.

And best wishes to all coming out of the flu. It was a tough
winter for many, but the tulips are just under the snow.


The proper spelling is Kirlian. It was an effect discoverd by
S. Kirlian, a soviet film developer in 1939.

As I recall, the coronas visible are ascribed to static discharges
and chemical reactions between the organic material and the silver
halides in the films.


Let's look at the effects of inflation on 1930's superstars' salaries.

I read once that the Babe made $80,000 one year and that was about as good
as it got for him.

Let's assume he made that in 1928 (I'm not sure of the figures, but I know
I'm in the ballpark--pun intended). :-)

Today, assuming a 4% yearly inflation rate, which is an understatement if
not accurate, his measly $80,000 salary would be worth.

FV = $80,000 x (1+4%)^(1993-1928)
   = $80,000 x (1.04)^65
   = just over $1,000,000.

Assuming inflation is average of around 5%.

FV = $80,000 x (1+5%)^65
   = almost 2,000,000.

(I didn't crunch these numbers beforehand).

These numbers might lead one to believe that today's players are slightly
overpaid.  The Babe appears to have made then what today's average to above
average players make now.  Perfectly accurate salary, year of salary, and
average inflation rate would make this analysis more accurate, but I don`t
think I'm off by much.

Chop Chop

Michael Mule'


Name your price, cap colours & quantity available.
cheers
Mike


Osinski):
years.
city

Are you one of those people who were born when Istanbul was called
Konstantinopolis? I don't think so! If those people use it because
they are used to do so, then I understand. But open any map
today (except a few that try to be political) you will see that the name
of the city is printed as Istanbul. So, don't try to give
any arguments to using Konstantinopolis except to cause some
flames, to make some political statement.

--
Tankut Atan
tankut@iastate.edu


Sure, but Robert "Koresh-Fetesh" (sic) Knowles seems good, too.  :)

Though I wasn't there, at least I can rely on you now to keep me posted on what
what he's doing.

Have you any other fetishes besides those for beef jerky and David Koresh?
--
Bake Timmons, III


  OK, Doug is right, it would be obstruction of justice, blah blah blah,
BUT, saying "I forgot" is a lie, which is just as bad from a moral point
of view _IF_ you think "lawfulness" is a good in and of itself (which
admittedly most people do not.)  But there's an even better way out of this.
PROVIDED the government is prosecuting you criminally, you can probably
plead the fifth amendmeent and thus LEGALLY avoid revealing your key.  The
government cannot demand information from a criminal defendant which "may
tend to incriminate" that defendant.  Though this has never been applied
in the cryptography context (at least as far as I can tell) it seems an
obvious application to me.

 This may be a common suggestion in this group, but if it's not (I'm new
here) I'd love to hear what people have to say about it.  Since I don't
really read this group (and since the subject matter is more legal than
cryptoid) maybe misc.legal.computing would be an appropriate place?

  Steve.


I need the specs on various eprom data formats such as Intel Hex, Motorola S
JEDEC etc.

Can anyone out there provide such info or a pointer to it?
The one I want the most is Intel Hex.


] 	Anyone who really believes that the Caps can beat

Let's be honest.  The Pens may not 'loose' one game as you
put it, but they will definitely lose one game.  Remember,
the regular season doesn't mean much when it comes to
playoff time.  The Caps have a shot at least - the Flyers
sure don't


Dbase IV, ver 1.5, 3.5 disks.  Manuals still shrinkwrapped, and all
registration materials present.  Asking $125.


The down side is that when I'm in my cage, I have on numerous occasions
slammed my hand into the rolled up window in an effort to wave at
a passing biker.  Ow.


(note: this is not about the L.A. or NY Times)

A few times a year, a funny thing happens: the bike engine runs
perfectly.  Completely smooth.  Not that it runs poorly normally, but
on these days, it is exceptional.  My theory is that the air density
and moisture content of the air are such that I get complete
combustion.  Needless to say, it puts me in a great mood.

The mood lasted for about 20 miles.  Heading north on the 405
freeway, about a mile or two south of the 10, my throttle stopped
responding.... and I was between lanes.  Nothing to do but make
my way over 4 lanes to the shoulder... initially by gliding, then
by pushing.  At least traffic was heavy enough so that cars did
not mind stopping for me.

Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40
carb.  I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws
tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that
on the screws inside of a carb.  At least it was roadside
fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time.
____________________________________________________________________________
   Death is life's way of telling you you've been fired  -- R. Geis


The file that would be a problem is DBLSPACE.BIN, not .EXE.


Hi,
I have a problem when compiled Wcl 2.02 in SCO ODT 2.0:

        cc -c -Ox  -I.. -I/usr/include Xt4GetResL.c
Xt4GetResL.c
Xt4GetResL.c(47) : error C2065: '_XtConstraintBit' : undefined
*** Error code 1

Although I follow the instructions in file README_BUILD to build Wcl in SCO
platform, this problem didn't resolve.

So I have some questions related to this matter:


More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make
their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside
of their group or level of understanding.
--
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"Tuba" (Irwin)      "I honk therefore I am"       CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826            (R75/6)


But ultimately their hockey philosophies are like night and day...
Keenan believes in pressuring the opposition and taking the
initiative (within the limits of his system)...while Roger
has a reactive hockey philosophy...which is why Messier will
be able to and has played for Keenan, but thought Roger's way
was a sure loser.

Roger is a great assistant coach...but considering what must be bad
blood between Nielson and Messier, it would be a mistake to bring
him back even in that role.


Mercedes-Benz announced yesterday its plans to begin building sport-utility
vehicles in the US by 1997.  They are targeted at the Jeep Grand Cherokee
et al. and will reportedly sell for less than $30,000.

Did anyone see a picture?   Is it the G-wagon (Gelaendewagen) currently
available in Europe (and in the US by grey-market) or is it an entirely new
vehicle?  Any details would be appreciated.


Well, my newsreader shows the UUE file as having lots of spaces, which
means it's broken before I even try to download it. Did anyone get it
to uudecode successfully?

Aengus