But what if the geologists are wrong and these people are warning of a
non-existent danger?  Analogies can only push an argument so far (on both
sides).  Both Melinda's and yours assume the premises used to set up your
respective analogies are true and thus the correct conclusion will arise.

The important point to note is the different directions both sides come from.
Christians believe they know the TRUTH and thus believe they have the right
(and duty) to tell the TRUTH to all.

Christians can get offended if others do not believe (what is self-evidently
to them) the TRUTH. Non-christians do not believe this is the TRUTH and get
offended at them because they (christians) claim to know the TRUTH.

(BTW this argument goes for anyone, I am not just bagging christians)

Neither side can be really reconciled unless one of the parties changes their
mind.  As Melinda pointed out, there is no point in arguing along these lines
because both approach from a different premise.  A more useful line of
discussion is WHY people believe in particular faiths.

Personally, I don't mind what anyone believes as long as they allow me mine
and we can all live peacefully.


I have been able to successfully use both 16 and 24 bit color modes on my
Gateway system, although my setup is less complicated than yours.  It sounds as
if you may have a hardware conflict or problem.  Is your memory aperture above
16M?  I have heard rumors of incompatibilities with that SCSI card with a
variety of systems.  Call up Gateway and give them hell until they help you
fix it.

Dan


[followups to talk.politics.guns]

rl> Russell Lawrence
kr> Karl Rominger

kr> I support the right of any citizen with out a criminal history to own and
    use firearms, regardless of race, gender, and RELIGION.

rl> Thanks for admitting that you, yourself, adhere to an illogical dogma.

  Well, folks in t.p.guns, want to show how Russell's "illogical dogma" is
  wrong?


 (Neil Williams) writes...

#
#As long as we're on the subject... Several years ago myself and two others
#were riding in the front of a Toyota pickup heading south on Interstate 5
#north of Seattle, WA. Someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our
#windshield. Not by accident I'm sure, it was impossible to get up to the
#overpass quickly to see who did it. We figured it was kids, reported it and
#left.
#A couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company. He was
#in his mid-fourties and left behind a wife and children. Turned out there was
#a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away. They caught the 14 year old
#that did it. They put a cover over the overpass, what else could they do?
#I don't think I'll over forget this story.
#Neil Williams, Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA.
#..
#

  Neil, what did they do to the 14-year-old who they caught?  What did
 the man's insurance company do?  This could be significant and in any case
 very interesting.

  Followups to alt.parents-teens.

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You totally forgot the original post that you posted Allen. In that post
you stated that the "wrap" was on top of and in addition to any overhead.
Geez in this post you finally admit that this is not true.

Come your little ol buns down here and you will find out who is doing
what and who is working on integration. This is simply an ad hominum
attack and you know it.

Of course there is a fee. It is for administration. Geez Allen any
organization has costs but there is a heck of a difference in  legitimate
costs, such as libraries and other things that must be there to support
a program and "wrap" as you originally stated it.You stated that wrap
was on top of all of the overhead which a couple of sentences down you
say is not true. Which is it Allen?

As you have posted on this subject Allen, you state that wrap is over and
above overhead and is a seperate charge. You admit here that this is wrong.
Nasa has a line item budget every year. I have seen it Allen. Get some
numbers from that detailed NASA budget and dig out the wrap numbers and then
howl to high heaven about it. Until you do that you are barking in the wind.

Integration could be done better at the centers. Apollo integration was
done here at Msfc and that did not turn out so bad. The philosophy of
Reston is totally wrong Allen. There you have a bunch of people who are
completely removed from the work that they are trying to oversee. There
is no way that will ever work. It has never worked in any large scale project
that it was ever tried on. Could you imagine a Reston like set up for
Apollo?

Oh you are full of it Allen on this one. I agree that JSC screwed up big.
They should be responsible for that screw up and the people that caused it
replaced. To make a stupid statement like that just shows how deep your
bias goes. Come to MSFC for a couple of weeks and you will find out just
how wrong you really are. Maybe not, people like you believe exactly what
they want to believe no matter  what the facts are contrary to it.

I agree that integration is the single most important part of a  successful
large scale effort. What I completly disagree with is seperating that
integration function from  the people that are doing the work. It is called
leadership Allen. That is what made Apollo work. Final responsibility for
the success of Apollo was held by less than 50 people. That is leadership
and responsibility. There is neither when you have any organization set up
as Reston is. You could take the same people and move them to JSC or MSFC
and they could do a much better job. Why did it take a year for Reston to
finally say something about the problem? If they were on site and part of the
process then the problem would have never gotten out of hand in the first place.

There is one heck of a lot I do not know Allen, but one thing I do know is that
for a project to be successful you must have leadership. I remember all of the
turn over at Reston that kept SSF program in shambles for years do you? It is
lack of responsibility and leadership that is the programs problem. Lack of
leadership from the White House, Congress and at Reston. Nasa is only a
symptom of a greater national problem. You are so narrowly focused in your
efforts that you do not see this.

No, I am saying that if they were located at JSC it never would have
happened in the first place.

I have the time to reitereate one more timet that if the leadership that is
at reston was on site at JSC the problem never would have happened, totally
ignoring the lack of leadership of congress. This many headed hydra that
has grown up at NASA is the true problem of the Agency and to try to
change the question to suit you and your bias is only indicative of
your position.


I agree with you. Of cause I'll try to be a daemon :-)


With the FJ's large, flat gas tank, I'd imagine that almost anything
would work. Personally, I'm quite happy with my Eclipse standard tank
bag.


...and to make life difficult for us actuaries..... :-/

--
Michael D. Adams	(starowl@a2i.rahul.net)	  Champaign, IL / southeast AL


Gilligan = Sloth
Skipper = Anger
Thurston Howell III = Greed
Lovey Howell = Gluttony
Ginger = Lust
Professor = Pride
Mary Ann = Envy


      No.  The REAL question:  Should the Feds bail-out IBM ( a la Chrysler )
  so that important $80K manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost?


Sayeth sjwyrick@lbl.gov (Steve Wyrick):
$Anybody keeping track of how many of these there are?  So far I have
$Miata, Tredia, Previa, Sentra, Maxima, Altima, Camry, and Justy, not to
$mention Lexus, Acura and Infiniti!

   You're apparently including names that are, or appear to be,
derivatives of real words in English or some other language (e.g.
Acura, Infiniti, Maxima, Altima), in which case you missed ones such
as Integra, Supra, Allante', Capri and Calibra.  In Canada, add Serenia and
Precidia.  If you count misspellings, add Protege and (in Canada)
Vigor.  How about the forthcoming Mondeo, if it is given that name
in North America?

   Others might include Celica, Corolla, Paseo, and Tercel.  In Canada,
add Asu"na.


Eric, send me email with your address, I lost it! I've reconsidered!


"Manufacturing Consent," a film about the media. You alternative movie source
may have this; or to book it in your local alternative theatre, contact:

FILMS TRANSIT * INTERNATIONAL SALES
Jan Rofekamp
402 Notre Dame E.
Montreal, Quebec
Canada H2Y 1C8
Tel (514) 844-3358 * Fax (514) 844-7298
Telex 5560074 Filmtransmtl

(US readers: call Zeitgeist Films at 212 274 1989.)

-s


I am trying to put together a new PC with VESA Local Bus.  I would like
to get VLB cards for Video and SCSI but I have heard of a problem with
bus mastering controllers on VLB.  Something to the effect that they will
actually slow down a system.  Anyone heard of this problem?

Specifically, I am interested in the Ultrastor 34F VLB SCSI controller.
Before I shell out the bucks for this thing I would like to get the
straight scoop from someone who knows.  Does anyone have this controller?
Any problems with it?

--


perhaps you can tell your friend that you feel pressured by his
continual discussions of this topic -- surely he doesn't feel you
should be _pressured_ into something you feel uncomfortable about
(since christianity should be a choice one should make on one's own).
please also realize that he is doing this out of friendship -- he
probably feels you are missing out on something great, and wants to
tell you about it.  but since you know where you can learn about
christianity, you can tell him that it is now up to you to make that
choice, and if the choice is no, you should be respected for that.
personally i believe that a christian's mission is just to be
christ-like, showing his/her own faith and happiness in that faith,
and make sure people know they are welcome to talk to you about it.  i
do not believe in imposing your beliefs upon others -- but then again
everyone's definitions of "imposing" may differ.


Try  telnet 128.196.128.234, login TO_CSERVE

This will get you into the CompuServe network. Enter hostname CIS and you'll get
 the UserID prompt.

 I haven't, if you can figure it out let me know.  Also, let me know if your
backspace key works :)


rousseaua@immunex.com writes about heat shock proteins (HSP's) and DNA.

I hate to be derogatory, but in this case I think it's warranted.

HSP's are part of the cellular response to stress.  The only reason they
are called 'heat shock proteins' is because they were first demonstrated
using heat shock.  Dead tissue (ie. meat) is not going to produce ANY
protein- because it's DEAD!

Also, who cares if the DNA you are ingesting is mutated!?  It will be
completely digested in your stomach, which is about pH 2.

Some of you worry WAY too much.  Eat a healthy, balanced diet and relax.

My advice is, if you don't know what you are talking about, it is better
to keep your mouth shut than to open it and remove all doubt about your
ignorance.  Don't speculate, or at least get some concrete information
before you do!

Sherry Olmstead
Biochemist


If it were my wife, I would insist that a radiologist be involved in the
process.  Radiologist are intensively trained in the process of
interpreting diagnostic imaging data and are aware of many things that
other physicians aren't aware of.  Would you want a radiologist to
deliver your baby?  If you wouldn't, then why would you want a OB/GYN to
read your ultrasound study?

In my opinion the process should involve a OB/GYN and a radiologist.


#[sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ]
#
#> That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves
#> and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is
#> imminent.
#>
#> Steve Heracleous
#
#You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you
#go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good
#job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from
#me - those kids are mean.

  This last comment was obviously a bit cynical, but a true statement of
 the attitude of some drivers (there's your "autos" content), I would say.

  What law-abiding (not "low-abiding" as above (talk about Freudian slips!))
 citizens have the right and responsibility to do is try to PREVENT this
 type of behaviour in children.  A doctor may have to use "deadly force"
 against a part of a body (like amputating it) when an infection/disease
 has gone too far.  But his real desire would have been to *prevent* the
 disease in the first place or at least nip it in the bud.

   Followups should go to alt.parents-teens

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 University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3


Hi.  I'm looking for software to aid a friend of mine with designing speakers.
Does this type of software exist?  If anyone can point me toward a shareware or
freeware product with this description, that would be ideal.

...Steve van der Burg (using a friend's account)

(p.s. Excuse the terseness of the message;  I'm having difficulty stringing
readable sentences together today, for some reason.)

--


Re: Space billboards

Even easier to implement than writing messages on the Moon, once upon
a time a group of space activists I belonged to in Seattle considered
a "Goodyear Blimp in orbit".  The idea was to use a large structure
that could carry an array of lights like the Goodyear Blimp has.
Placed in a low Earth orbit of high inclination, it could eventually
be seen by almost everyone on Earth.  Only our collective disapproval
of cluttering up space with such a thing stopped us from pursuing
it.  It had quite feasible economics, which I will not post here
because I don't want to encourage the idea (if you want to do such
a thing, go figure it out for yourself).

Dani Eder


Your speculation that the two proven veterans will produce better
than Lopez is also no more than speculation.  It *does* make
a difference whether the speculation is well-founded or not.

Though this is a good point.  The one speculation is "safer",
because it can be reversed.


There are 2 books published by M&T BOOKS that come with C source code on
floppies.  They are:

Programming In 3 Dimensions, 3-D Graphics, Ray Traycing, and Animation
by: Christopher D. Watkins and Larry Sharp.

Photorealism and Ray Tracing in C
by: Christopher D. Watkins, Stephen B. Coy, and Mark Finlay.

I have the first book and it is a great intro to 3-D, Ray Tracing and
Animation.  Most of the programs are on the disk compiled and ready to run.

I have only glanced at the second book but it also appears to be good.

Hope this helps!
Mark Larsen

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
markl@hunan.rastek.com


: Are the Serbs doing the work of God?  Hmm...

: I've been wondering if anyone would ever ask the question,

: Are the governments of the United States and Europe not moving
: to end the ethnic cleansing by the Serbs because the targets are
: muslims?

: Can/Does God use those who are not following him to accomplish
: tasks for him?  Esp those tasks that are punative?

: James Sledd
: no cute sig....  but I'm working on it.

Are you suggesting that God supports genocide?
Perhaps the Germans were "punishing" Jews on God's behalf?

Any God who works that way is indescribably evil, and unworthy of
my worship or faith.


10 month old stereo system for sale. Luxman R-351 receiver, Onkyo TA-RW404
tape deck, and Polk Monitor M4.6 book shelf speakers are for sale. Receiver
has 5 year warranty, and all equipment is in excellent condition. Paid $950
for the system and willing to consider the best offer. Will sell seperate
pieces also if desired. Please send best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu.

Speakers: Polk Monitor M4.6 bookshelf speakers
	  Paid $250 pair. Willing to consider best offer.

Receiver: Luxman R-351 receiver with 5 year (yes 5 years) warranty.
	  Paid $475. Willing to consider best offer.
	  Full remote, 2 pairs of speaker connections,
	  60 watts per channel, but drives like a 150 watts per channel
	  Has all the standard features, and more.

Tape Deck: Onkyo TA-RW404 tape deck
	   Paid $275. Willing to consider best offer.
	   Dual cassette, Dolby B, C, and HX Pro.
	   Input level control for recording, auto reverse both sides.
           Has all standard features.

Send E-mail with best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu


Heavy-duty, commercial, TINY,(6x3x1/2 inch) WATERPROOF, VHF 2 watt, 2 channel,
handheld two-way radio.  MOTOROLA EXPO purchased NEW for Amateur frequencies
146.10/70 & 146.34/94.  Absolute  M I N T  condition!  Never scratched, dropped,
opened, or otherwise "comprosmised"!  Can be re-crystaled for business band.
has PL slot.
                                           Original Price:
                                         ========================

MOTOROLA EXPO VHF 2WATT/2CHAN. HT--------------------$1200.00
(comes with portable charger, antenna, manual,
NEW Ni-Cad pack, back housing belt clip)
MOTOROLA extra NEW Ni-Cad pack-----------------------$  40.00
MOTOROLA extra VHF rubber-duckie antenna-------------$  12.50
MOTOROLA Desktop quick charger-----------------------$ 135.00
MOTOROLA External speaker-mic.-----------------------$ 125.00
MOTOROLA +12V cig. lighter Battery Eliminator--------$  80.00
MOTOROLA Heavy-Duty Nylon holster--------------------$  25.00
MOTOROLA EXPO Technical Manuals----------------------$   5.00
MOTOROLA EXPO tuning/case opening tools--------------$  N/C
                                                ---------------------
                                                     $1622.50

Would like $400, or BEST OFFER!!!

Thanks a lot!

Jeff


I had the exactly same problem with my '70 Lesabre. It was also from Cal.     What I did was go to the local junkyard and pick up a diaphragm from a '68      Lesabre with the same heater set up.  It worked for me, but a little bit slow   to change from vents to defogger.  Better than nothing!


It's just as meaningless to compare goals, assists, PIM and any other stat I
can think of.  Each player is asked to take a unique role for his team.  The
contexts will never be the same from one player to another playing on the
same team or different teams.  And yet ... awards are given and promotions
received based in part on these meaningless stats.  The operative words are
"in part" - stats must be interpreted, tempered with other information one
has about the player.

And comparing Jagr's and Francis's points is just as ridiculous and absurd...
but not more ridiculous and absurd as comparing goals, assists, points, +\-
for Selanne, Lindros, Juneau, Potvin, and the other rookies in the league...
and yet...

How about looking at them for what they are and enjoy the game.


Today marks the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide of
2.5 million Turks and Kurds in Eastern Anatolia and x-Soviet
Armenia. The following letter, which represents a small portion
of the full text, along with more than 200 pages of historical
documents, scholarly sources, eyewitness accounts and photographs,
was sent to President Bill Clinton, members of Congress, editors,
program directors and columnists of major newspapers, journals and
radio/TV stations for the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide
of 2.5 million Muslim people. On April 23 of every year, the people
of Turkiye remember their dead. They grieve for lost family and the
lost homes of their grandfathers. This year the Turkish Nation is
mourning and praying again for her fallen heroes who gave their
lives generously and with altruism, so that the future generations
may live on that anointed soil of the Turkish land happily and
prosperously.

------------------------- letter ----------------------------------

During the years of World War I, the x-Soviet Armenian Government
has planned and perpetrated the 'Genocide' of the Muslim people, which
not only took the lives of 2.5 million Muslim people, but was also the
method used to empty the Turkish homeland of its inhabitants. To this day,
Turkish historic lands remain occupied by the x-Soviet Armenia. In order
to cover up the fact of its usurpation of the historic Turkish homeland,
which is the crux of Turkish political demands, fascist x-Soviet Armenia
continues its anti-Turkish policy in the following ways:

1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide
in order to shift international public opinion away from its political
responsibility.

2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism
Triangle, attempts to call into question the veracity of the Turkish
Genocide.

3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through
the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to
silence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests.

4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet
Armenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through
terrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters
of the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian.

Using all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian Government
is attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from
making the Turkish Case a contemporary issue.

Yet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian Government and its
terrorist and revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks
to the struggle of those whose closest ones have been systematically
exterminated by the Armenians, the international wall of silence on
this issue has begun to collapse, and consequently a number of
governments and organizations have become supportive of the recognition
of the Turkish Genocide.

With the full knowledge that the struggle for the Turkish territorial
demands are still in their initial stages, the Turkish and Kurdish people
will unflaggingly continue in this sacred struggle, therefore the victims
of the Turkish Genocide demand:

1. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government, as the heirs of the Armenian
Dictatorship, recognize the Turkish Genocide;

2. that x-Soviet Armenia return the historic homeland to the Turkish and
Kurdish people;

3. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government make material reparations for
their heinous and unspeakable crime to the victims of the Turkish Genocide;

4. that all world governments, and especially the United States, officially
recognize the Turkish Genocide and Turkish territorial rights and refuse
to succumb to all Armenian political pressure;

5. that the U.S. Government free itself from the friendly position it
has adopted towards its unreliable ally, x-Soviet Armenia, and officially
recognize the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide as well as be
supportive of the pursuit of Turkish territorial demands;

6. that the x-Soviet Republics officially recognize the historical fact
of the Turkish Genocide and include the cold-blooded extermination of
2.5 million Muslim people in their history books.

The awareness of the Turkish people of the necessity of solidarity in the
efforts to pursue the Turkish Cause is seen by the victims of the first
genocide of the 20th century as a positive step. Furthermore, a new
generation has risen - equipped with a deep sense of commitment, politically
mature and conscious, who determinedly pursue the Turkish Cause, through
all necessary means, ranging from the political and diplomatic to the
armed struggle. Therefore, the victims of the Turkish Genocide call upon
all Muslims in the United States and Canada to participate vigorously in
the political, cultural and religious activities of the 78th Anniversary
of the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people.

Serdar Argic


Anyone know a reasonable circuit for programming PALs?  I am interested
in programming a wide range of EPLDs but would be happy with something
that could handle a 22V10 or thereabouts.

Thanks in advance,
--Tim


Is it? As far as I know, tear gas, especially in large concentrations,
is very dangerous (even toxic) for small children. This makes the
FBI's supposedconcern for the safety of the children seem rather
hypocritical.


I installed Windows for Workgroups on my network and I'm having problems
mapping drives in the file-manager.

Situation:
If I put LASTDRIVE = Z in my config.sys, NETX will run but I can't access
drive f: to log in to Novell.
If I don't put LASTDRIVE = Z in my config.sys I can't access other W4WG
drives from the file-manager.

It seems that there should be a way to make NETX work with the LASTDRIVE =
statement in my Config.Sys.

I would appreciate any help.  It's probably an easy problem that all you
Windows guru's solved many many moons ago...

Thanks,
Tom Bilan


Hello,

Can anybody help me with the conversion of pic format files
to HPGL files. The question is as follows:

Is it possible to convert files that have been generated in the
pic preprocessor format into HPGL format, suitable for sending
to a plotter. The hardware involved is IBM RISC/6000 running AIX
3.2.3. How should this be done and what software is involved,
where is it available, what does it cost, what are the problems?

Regards,

Dani

--------------------------------
Cimad Consultants
Antwerp, Belgium
dani@cimad.be


: > My question is this:  Is there a means of determining what the state
: > of CapsLock and/or NumLock is?

: Alright.  Ignore this.  I have delved a bit deeper (XKeyEvent) and
: found what I was looking for.

: ev->state   has a bunch of masks to check against (LockMask is the one
: for CapsLock).  Unfortunately, it appears that the NumLock mask varies
: from server to server.  How does one tell what mask is numlock and
: which are for Meta (Mod1Mask, Mod2Mask, Mod3Mask, Mod4Mask, Mod5Mask).
: eg, SGI's vendor server has Mod2Mask being NumLock, whereas Solaris
: 1.0.1 OpenWindows 3.0 has Mod3Mask for NumLock.  Is there an
: unambiguous means of determining NumLock's mask at runtime for any
: given server?  Sorry for the wasted bandwidth and my appalling ignorance.

You'll have to check the keysym(s) on each of the keys for each
modifier. The one with NumLock in its mapping is the modifier
you want. A bit ugly perhaps but I think its currently the only
way to do this (and it does have some precedent as keysyms are
used to differentiate CapsLock from ShiftLock for the Lock
modifier).

I don't know of an accepted strategy for handling ambiguous
assignments either. (ie. what if NumLock is mapped for more then
one modifier). I suppose first found is as good as any.

X doesn't handle locking modifiers that well.

Hope that helps,

Dave Lapp


How can one tell which prong of your basic chip is number 20?  I realize there
is a chunk of the chip missing so that one can orient it correctly.  So
using that hole as a guide, how can I count the prongs of the chip to find
#20?  Please help.


Or, if you've got some entreprenuerial (sp?) spirit, get a cheapy
clear plastic box, mount the simm inside, and sell it as a 'Pet SIMM'!

I'm sure there are *plenty* of suckers out there who would go
for it!


As a matter of fact, yes I do or at least I strive to.  I will not
be so proud as to boast that my faith is 100%.  I am still human
and imperfect and therefore, liable to sin.  Thankfully, there is
opportunity for repentence and forgiveness.

God be with you,


Sigh.

Farwell LA, Donchin E. The truth will out: Interrogative polygraphy ("lie
detection") with event-related brain potentials. Psychophysiology
1991;28:531-547

"The research reported here was supported in part by contract number 87F350800
with the Central Intelligence Agency. Preliminary reports were presented at the
1986, 1988, and 1989 meetings of the Society for Psychophysiological Research".

Donchin happens to be an Israeli.

Do you really think that Israel needs something as primitive as torture when it
has THIS as well as something brought over by a Russian mathematician from the
Lenningrad Military Hospital in 1979  (factor-analysis of multiple unit
activity of the brain) ???  Surely you jest.

When Israel sics trained dogs on Arab prisoners the way it's commonly done on
prison farms in Mississippi or Alabama, *then* you have a right to protest
against torture. When Israeli security personnel beat Arab prisoners the way
Chicago police do, *then* you have a right to complain. Since it does NOT
practice physical torture in any way, kindly refrain from using this word.

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL


Hi from Australia,

I am a car enthusiast in Australia.

I am particularly interested in American Muscle cars of the
1960s and 1970s. ALL MAKES: AMC, Ford, Chrysler/Mopar, GM.

I will be in the USA for 6 weeks from May 2nd to -June 14 1993.

Chicago: Sun May 2 -Thursday May 6
Denver:  Friday May 7 - Sunday May 9
Austin, Texas: Monday May 10- Friday May 21
Oklahoma City: Friday May 21 - Monday May 24
Anaheim, California: Tuesday May 25-Thursday May 27
Las Vegas, Nevada:  Friday May 28- Sunday May 30
Grand Canion, Monday May 31 - Tuesday June 1
Las Angeles, San Diego and vicinity: Wednesday June 3-Sunday June 6 June
South Lake Tahoe, Cal: Sunday June 6 - Wednesday June 9
Reno: Thursday June 10
San Fransisco: Thursday June 10 - Sunday June 13

I was wondering if anyone could send me any information of
car shows, swap meets, drag meets, model car shows etc. during this period.
Can anybody tell me when the Pomona Swap meet is on this year?

Also, any places to visit (eg. car museums, private collections,
your collection? etc. Any bit of information is appreciated!

I am also interested in finding some model cars (scale Models).
I am intersted in 1968-1974 AMC cars. Of particular interest is:
1968-1970 AMX
1968-1974 Javelin
1969 SCRAMBLER
1970 Rebel Machine
and others

If you have any kits, plastics, diecast etc and are interested in selling them,
tell me, I will be interested.

I can also send/bring you models of Australian High performance cars if
you are interested.

Please reply by email to: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au

Thanks,


Regarding David Wilkerson's prophecies.  While I'm not real sure of
his credibility, I do remember a book he wrote, called A VISION or
something like that.  He made a prediction that people who bought gold
would be hurt financially.  At the time, gold was up to about $800;
now it is less than half that.  This prediction stuck in my mind
because a lot of people where I worked were buying gold.

The problem is, we tend to remember predictions that come true and
forget ones that didn't (a la Jean Dixon).  Does anyone know if there
any of his predictions, perhaps from the book I mentioned, that can
pretty definitely be said to have not come true?


Well, it did not take long to see how consequent some Greeks are in
requesting that Thessaloniki are not called Solun by Bulgarian netters.
So, Napoleon, why do you write about Konstantinople and not Istanbul?


Just a quick reminder:

	The way you are interpreting those passages is your opinion.  You make
	it sound as if your opinion is somehow an undisputable fact.

	Many would interpret the passages you cite very differently.

	(Many have--several of the great theologians you mentioned do that
	very thing.  These were people who had much more expertise in the
	interpretation of scripture than you or me or probably anyone reading
	this newsgroup.  To say that all of them are wrong and you are right
	is, in my opinion, (notice those last three words) coming pretty darn
	close to the sin of pride.

	In the future I would suggest you not be so absolutist in your
	interpretations, especially when contradicting highly respected
	doctors of Christianity.


as someone else already mentioned, don't "carry thru" the other 23 pins.

plan A, minimal null modem:
	SG(7)   -  SG(7)
	TD(2)   -  RD(3)
	RD(3)   -  TD(2)
if you're transfering files betwen 2 PCs, this ought to work (unless
you have a persnickity comm program).

plan B, null modem with modem control:
	SG(7)   -  SG(7)
	TD(2)   -  RD(3)
	RD(3)   -  TD(2)
	DCD(8)  -  DTR(20)
	DTR(20) -  DCD(8)
some comm software will wait for DCD before transferring anything.
such software will raise DTR to enable the modem to accept a call.
with this cable, each side's DTR will drive the other's DCD.

plan C, null modem with hardware flow control:
	SG(7)   -  SG(7)
	TD(2)   -  RD(3)
	RD(3)   -  TD(2)
	RTS(4)  -  CTS(5)
	CTS(5)  -  RTS(4)
for high-speed transfers, you want the flow control.

plan D, deluxe null modem (combine B and C):
	SG(7)   -  SG(7)
	TD(2)   -  RD(3)
	RD(3)   -  TD(2)
	RTS(4)  -  CTS(5)
	CTS(5)  -  RTS(4)
	DCD(8)  -  DTR(20)
	DTR(20) -  DCD(8)
this one is ideal.  it leaves out DSR and RI (rarely used anymore).
if you're really paranoid, or you just have an 8th wire to spend,
you might add:
	FG(1)   -  FG(1)

the pin numbers above are (obviously) for 25-pin connectors.
i don't have a 9-pin pinout handy.


If you hold off, there are a number of interesting convertibles coming
to market in the next few years.

The new LeBaron will be based on the Mitsubishi Galant, which should
be an improvement over the current model.

The new PL compact will have a convertible option (also a chrysler
product)

Kia, makers of the Ford Festiva is planning a larger convertible.


[lots of things, none of which are quoted here]

Oh, ye of little imagination.

You don't jump over those - that's where you lay the bike down and slide under!


At the time Ezekiel was written, Israel was in apostacy again and if I'm not
mistaken, Tyre was about to make war on Israel.  Like I said, the Prince of
Tyre was the human ruler of Tyre.  He was a wicked man.  By calling Satan
the King of Tyre, Ezekiel was saying that Satan is the real ruler over Tyre.

Don't think my interpretation is neccessarily the orthodox Christian one,
although most Christian Bible commentaries interpret the King of Tyre as
being a reference to Satan. (I haven't read Ezekiel throughly in a long
time.)


It only falls apart if you attempt to apply it.  This doesn't mean that
an objective system can't exist.  It just means that one cannot be
implemented.


Hi!

I have several computer related books for sale. They are all new,
unused and hence in excellent condition. The subjects include
Programming Languages (C, C++, LISP, PROLOG), Operating Systems
(UNIX, DOS), Windows, X-Windows, LAN, AI, and Expert Systems.

If you are interested, pls. contact me at:

			parikhma@ucunix.san.uc.edu

Thanks.


*.ini
under Windows.
meny PC`s.

If you are managing PC's on a Novell network, get the network management
tools provided by either Sabre Software or Automated Design Systems.
Among the many features, you'll find utilities that can help you to
manage .INI files stored on users' workstations or home directories.
This is commercial software and well worth the money.  To date, I have
not found ANYTHING available via FTP that could compare.  Reply to the
address in my .SIG for more info.


.
.

Tell him he probably needs to upgrade to a faster video card!  My 9600 baud
modem was one of the reasons I sought out the Diamond Speedstar 24X. I get
about 7 million WinMarks on my 386-25 and it just about keeps up with the
modem speed (using procomm plus for windows, too).  He should get over
10 million on his machine with the same card.  Anything 10+ should yield
acceptable speed...


What suburban kid would want to hold down a minimum wage job when there is so
much more money to be made dealing drugs?

Yet, somehow, surburban kids do hold down minimum wage jobs.  So do inner
city kids, when give the chance.  Any reason you think that inner city kids
are incapable of doing legitimate work?


As far as I know, they did; my new Mac came with one yesterday...
(And I got my ergonomic keyboard, on order for three months, the
other day, too!)

Cheers,

					/ h+
--
 -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --


Another user recently requested info about the Shadow/Sundance
cars, but I haven't seen any public responses.

What are people's experiences with these cars?

Daryl


The JP5 on the Speedstar 24x is for those systems with boot-up problems.
If your system fails to boot-up proprtly, please pull off the jumper
block from jp5. This will not affect the proformance of the SpeedStar 24x.

This is what my manual says about jp5. I never knew that it was there
but the card is a real ask kicker in my book. It beats the hell out
of my junk Sony 1604s to the point that I can't even use above 648x480
mode much...Sam
Some times an upgrage turns out to be a big overkill, like driving a Sony
with a 24x that the monitor can't handle. Or installing 60ns simms and
then finding out that your mother board doesn't have a cmos wait state
adjustment to take advantage of the new 60ns simms that you just bought!


We are getting a memory fault and a core dump whenever we end a Motif
session under Ultrix 4.3, running on a DEC 5000/240. An examintion of the
core file leads us to believe it's from getcons. Does anyone know what
this is all about?

marc


are you serious? pitchers are pinch-hit for in the nl.  they are not in the
nl.  if a pitcher is cranking in the al, he will stay in the game.  if he
is cranking in the nl, he may not - ESPECIALLY if it's a pitchers' duel,
and his team needs an extra run.


  Could someone please help me find a program or figure out how to extract a li
st of R G B values for each pixel in an image.  I can convert between tga and s
everal other popular formats but I need the R G B values for use in a program I
 am writing.  Thanks for the help


One day out riding, my friend and i were passing a field of goats and
noticed 2 out on the road. As we slowed to pass the ram made a dash at
my friend just missing him and then tangling it self up in the barb wire
fence. Being good samaritains and generally nice guys we turned around to
untrangle the goat from the barbed wire. As I pulled up next to him
(seeing him still tangled up), stopped the bike and got off the Goat had
vanished (into the field I guess).


Agressive actions are taken by both sides. Tough talk is done by both sides.
When an arab leader is menacing to throw all jews in the water is also tough talk,
I think. And killing people is mildly agressive (justified, in your opinion
if they are israeli soldiers, justified, in others' opinion if they are jews, not
justified at all in others opinion).

When Brad wrote the article about 3 Israelis killed, ther was a lot of pride
and satisfaction in his lines. That's what I feel disgusting. We may agree
or not when a killing is 'technically' murder, but being enthousiastic about it?

And again, I may appreciate some of your points, but you are not objective. That
is not a blame, just a remark.


 ...

What problems have you had with UHC?  I have been using their OS for 2 years
and have had very few problems.


Speaking of spelling errors on the Cup, I wonder if the "h" in
Pittsburgh made it to the Cup.  You know how funny people can
be about spelling Pittsburgh.


Flame on!!

Is this guy serious????

If he would ever really pay attention to the news (oops I forgot that the media
   for the most part loves to jump right on top of a story before all the facts
   are known, as well as to manipulate what we see and thus what we believe).
   Any ways one of Koresh's DEVOTED followers that DID I REPEAT DID survive this
   "GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE".  Besides there are nine
   survivors in the burn-unit of the local hospital and was reported that David
   was in one of the towers when the shit hit the fan.  Besides, a majority of
   these children were children that he was supposed to have been the father of,
   this then makes them bastard children to a sacraligious zeloit (sp).  Also
   someone should have told David and his followers that if they can't the heat
   then they should stay out of the kitchen!! (pun intended)

Flame off

" Aaah Daniaalson yah wanna fight,  fight me!!"


------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ocean Reconnaissance Launch Surprises West
Space News, April 5-11, 1993, p.2
[Excerpts]
     Russia launched its first ocean reconnaissance satellite in 26 months
March 30, confounding Western analysts who had proclaimed the program dead.
     The Itar-TASS news agency announced the launch of Cosmos 2238 from
Plesetsk Cosmodrome, but provided little description of the payload's mission.
     However, based on the satellite's trajectory, Western observers
identified it as a military spacecraft designed to monitor electronic
emissions from foreign naval ships in order to track their movement.
     Geoff Perry of the Kettering Group in England... [said]  Western
observers had concluded that no more would be launched. But days after the
last [such] satellite re-entered the Earth's atmosphere, Cosmos 2238 was
launched.

"Cosmos-2238" Satellite Launched for Defense Ministry
Moscow ITAR-TASS World Service in Russian  1238 GMT 30 March 1993
Translated in FBIS-SOV-93-060, p.27
by ITAR-TASS correspondent Veronika Romanenkova
     Moscow, 30 March -- The Cosmos-2238 satellite was launched at 1600 Moscow
time today from the Baykonur by a "Tsiklon-M" carrier rocket. An ITAR-TASS
correspondent was told at the press center of Russia's space-military forces
that the satellite was launched in the interests of the Russian Defense
Ministry.


I'm surprised nobody mentioned that twitching of the eyelid can be a
symptom of an infection, especially if it also itches or stings.
(It happened to me, and antibiotic eyedrops cleared it up nicely.)


Not to drag this out anymore, but....

Many veterinarians feel that Lyme Disease in dogs is so easy to treat that
in an endemic area, they often just give the appropriate antibiotics to dogs
presenting with lameness, swollen joints, +/- fever.

A recent paper (March 1993) has finally established that Lyme disease in dogs
can be reproduced in a controlled experimentaly setting.  This has been
an ellusive matter for researchers, and is one of the fundamental requirements
for many to acknowledge an agent as being causitive of a particular disease.
Up to now, only the vaccine manufacturer has been able to "prove" that
the disease exists.

This paper is noteworthy in two other regards:

1) None of the animals they infected were treated in any way.  The dogs
had episodes of lameness during a 6-8 week period which occurred 2-5
months after exposure.  After this period, none showed any further
clinical signs up to the 17 month observation period of the study.  So
these are proven, clinically sick Lyme patients showing spontaneous
recovery without the benefit of drug treatment. Of course, observations
longer than 17 months will be necessary to be sure the disease doesn't
have the same chronicity that some see in humans.

2)  The addendum to the paper calls into question the techniques used by the
vaccine manufacturer to validate the vaccine.  Of course, they want
the world to use the model they developed in order to test vaccine
efficacy.

Anyway, maybe we will see some independent, scientifically sound evaluations
of this vaccine in the next year or so.


Precisely.

There's no objective medicine; some people get marvellous results from
alternative therapy, others only respond to traditional medicine.

There's no objective physics; Einstein and Bohr have told us that.

There's no objective reality.  LSD should be sufficient to prove that.

I consider it to be a useful fiction; an abstract ideal we can strive
towards.  Like an ideal gas or a light inextensible string, it doesn't
actually exist; but we can talk about things as if they were like it, and not
be too far wrong.


-*-----

I hope Gordon Banks did not mean to imply that notions such as
hard-to-see candida infections causing various problems should not
be investigated.  Many researchers have made breakthroughs by
figuring out how to investigate things that were previously thought
"virtually impossible to test for."

Indeed, I would be surprised if "candida overbloom" were such a
phenomena.  I would think that candida would produce signature
byproducts whose measure would then set a lower bound on the
extent of recent infection.  I realize this might get quite
tricky and difficult, probably expensive, and likely inconvenient
or uncomfortable to the subjects, but that is not the same as
"virtually impossible."


Was THAT your argument.  Well, you didn't make it very well.  You started
from the questionable premise that the fire was necessarily an act of
insanity, rather than an act of negligence or an accident.  Recall, one
survivor claims that the fire started when a tank knocked over a kerosene
lamp.  Kind of makes arguments regarding relative sanity somewhat moot, no?

"Nice evasive maneuver, Mr. Chekov, but they're still on our tail."

Let me ask it more plainly.  Which of the above complaints about David
Koresh's religious or sexual proclivities justified an armed raid by the
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms?

It's not entirely far-fetched.  Nobody outside the compound would know
EVERYBODY inside the compound.  Don't forget, the BATF admits having
agents inside the compound, in any case.

I'm simply being the devil's advocate.  There's reasonable doubt by the
boatload standing in the way of anybody totally swallowing the official
government story on Waco.
--


I have a Roberto Clemente 1969 Topps baseball card for sale, in near-mint
condition (really as close to mint condition as you can get).  It lists for
$55 in my most recent baseball card pricelist for May.  I am offering it for
$50 and I'll pay the certified postage to ship it to you.


Of course, I do not agree.  It does have more horsepower.  Horsepower is not
the only measurement for 'better'.  It does not have full motion, full screen
video yet.  Does it have CD-ROM XA?

Which other manufacturers?
We shall see about the date.

This is second hand, but it still hard to look to the future ;-).


Sigha.

 1) Trying to figure out a way to put a halogen beam on my CB360T... Are
there any easy ways to do this (i.e. a "slip-in" bulb replacement)?

 2) Was told by a guy at the bike shop that my "not damn near bright enough"
incandescent beam might be caused by a perma-low battery. So I went and
picked up this cheapo "Motorcycle battery and charging system tester"...
Hook it up to the battery, it's got 3 lights on "Very good charge"... Start
the engine (to test the charging system), and it doesn't even REGISTER. It's
supposed to light 5 or 6 lights if everything is OK, but it stays down at
the same point as just the battery.

 My question here is, if indeed my charging system is just plain messed up,
how the HECK is the battery staying fully charged? I'd think it would be
darned near dead from supporting my lights, etc...

 Do the '75 CB360T's have a problem with their charging system? Are they
just generally slower charging than what is normal for bigger bikes?

 Is there an easy fix for this?

 3) Happy noise: Put 300 miles on my bike this weekend, finally got myass an
endorsement.... which is REALLY GOOD, because my cage just quit running
worth a damn and I won't have money to repair it until the first... ;) And
the weatherman says "Bright and Sunny all week, 20% chance of rain on
friday"...


To the best of my knowledge there aren't any problems with Quadras and
blind transfers.  Trouble with blind transfers usually means the programmer
screwed up the TIBs or didn't test their driver with the device in question.
Well designed TIBs poll or loop at every point where delays of >16µsec occur.
This usually occurs at the first byte of each block of a transfer but some
devices can "hiccup" in the middle of blocks.  If this happens in the middle
of a blind transfer there is the possibility of losing or gaining a byte
depending on which direction the tranfer was going.  In anycase the SCSI Manager
will eventually return a phase error at the end of the transaction because
it is out of sync.  Actual data loss would only occur if the driver didn't
pay attention to the errors coming back.

Note that this effect is not caused by anything actually on the SCSI Bus but
rather by the transfer loops inside the SCSI Manager.  The problem occurs when
the processor bus errors trying to access the SCSI chip when the next byte
hasn't been clocked yet.  Also note that the Bus Error is dealt with by a bus
error handler and doesn't crash the machine...


We had a similar problem in converting a .EPS file. The solution was simple.
We changed the first line from %!PS-Adobe-3.0 to

%!PS-Adobe-2.0

This fouled the converter, the .EPS file only contained very simple
move and draw statements.

Mario


Anybody got any good/bad experience with selling their car through one of
those car hunters?  I'm selling a 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T and I was contacted
by this company called the Markham group based out of Illinois.

They said they have 7-10 buyers in my area interested in my car or they wouldn't
be talking to me.  They talked to me for a good 20 minutes asking everything
about my car and said they could sell it no problem.  They guaranteed that if
they didn't sell my car in 75 days, I would get my money back ($389) and since
I charged it, I'm protected by federal law which states that if I'm not satisfied,
I would get a refund (which is true).  They federal expressed all the paperwork
to me which had a contract stating their policy about the 75 days and such.


I have heard many things about the ATI Ultra Pro card. Some have
been positive but most are negative. Could people please confirm
these?  (I am interested in the EISA version in particular).

1) The card does not work in a system with 32M RAM.

2) The card works in a 32M system with some switches
   set but it is much slower.

3) The card is _interlaced_ in its 24bit (true-colour) modes.

4) The latest build 59 drivers still do not work in many
   cases.

5) This card is the fastest full colour card for the money.

6) This card is the greatest thing since sliced bread. ;-)

Thanks for your feedback. I will summarize.

Al


I am in the process of installing X11R5 on my Sun Sparcstation 2 and
have run into a problem.  I imagine it has something to do with a missing
screen driver, or something along those lines, but figured someone out there
in Internet land might be able to help.

I am installing it on a machine that already has OpenLook installed, and would
like to have both installed concurrently.  Thus, I set it up to compile to my
/usr/X11R5 directory.  I worked out all the kinks in getting it compiled (with
gcc), so that it compiles without any warnings.  I need it installed for PEX-SI,
so I set all those appropriate flags.  When I run it, however, I get a message
along the lines of:

Getting interface configuration : Operation not supported on socket

sunOpenFrameBuffer : Inappropriate ioctl for device

Fatal server error : no screens found

Any ideas on how I can fix it?  Please respond by e-mail at the below
address.

Thanks in advance.

-Dan
--
"I do not want to be immortalized through my works; I want to be
immortalized through not dying."  -Woody Allen


I have a bunch of questions about the encryption scheme
referenced in the Subject of this message.  What is the relative data
privacy provided by the above sequence as compared with straight DES?
Does the addition of compression then encrypting make the cyphertext
significantly harder to crack using current methods than straight DES?
Would running crypt after DES provide greater data privacy?  Is it
important to remove the (constant) compress header before encryption?
Thank you, net, for your wisdom.


Sometimes a bad choke pull-off diaphram will cause a car to fast idle. The
pull-off, which is vacuum actuated, provides a necessary pull in non-cold
weather conditions to get the idle off the the fast idle cam. Locate the
fast idle cam on your vehicle and see if you can rotate it to produce a
normal idle. If so, locate the diaphram and test it. If you can't apply
suction (via a good piece of rubber vacuum hose) with your mouth that will
cause the diaphram to retract, then it's bad and should be replaced.


	Homeland? First Nagarno-Karabagh was Armenians homeland today
	Fizuli, Lacin and several villages (in Azerbadjan)
	are their homeland. Can't you see the
	the  "Great Armenia" dream in this? With facist methods like
	killing, raping and bombing villages. The last move was the
	blast of a truck with 60 kurdish refugees, trying to
	escape the from Lacin, a city that was "given" to the Kurds
	by the Armenians.

	Don't speak about things you don't know: 8 American Cargo planes
	were heading to Armenia. When the Turkish authorities
	announced that they were going to search these cargo
	planes 3 of these planes returned to it's base in Germany.
	5 of these planes were searched in Turkey. The content of
	of the other 3 planes? Not hard to guess, is it? It was sure not
	humanitarian aid.....

	Search Turkish planes? You don't know what you are talking about.
	Turkey's government has announced that it's giving weapons
	to Azerbadjan since Armenia started to attack Azerbadjan
	it self, not the Karabag province. So why search a plane for weapons
	since it's content is announced to be weapons?


What are the Leafs to do?  I am a Leaf supporter and
I say the Leafs are going down in four unless there
is nothing short of a miracle or a stroke of genenius hits
Pat Burns.

If you were Pat Burns what would you do?

Living in the Bay area, I do not get enough Leaf coverage
to pull something out of the bag,  (I would appreciate comments
on the Leaf/Detroit 3rd line match-ups)  but here is the basic
idea...

Andreychuck and Borchevsky have no business playing against
the Wings.  They are too small.  The key to any Leafs success
will have to be Clark.  He is the only centre who can have
any presence within 3-stick lengths of the slot.  Where the
hell is Anderson?  Anderson can (in days past) get under peoples
skin.  Put a little more bluntly, Anderson has to be an asshole.
He used to be good at it.  We need him now.

Perhaps, perhaps the Leafs can shut down Detroit's second line.
I was dissappointed to see Shepard and Yserbeart flying last night.
These guys are the "swing" players for the Wings.  Last year they
did a major choke in the playoffs and were to blame for the quick
exit of the Wings.  **THis has to happen again**.   Clark-Anderson-Gilmour
should be able to out hustle this line.  Anderson should do a
nasty on Yserbeart.  Clark should bang the hell out of Sheppard.
Score Gilmour score!

Suggestions:  Clarke-Anderson-Gilmour vs. Sheppard-Yserbeart-??
	      Andreychuck-Borchevsy-??  vs. Detroit checking line
	      Toronto's checking line  vs. Yzerman-Fedorov-Probert (pray lots)

* as suggested - i would bench Andreychuck and Borchevsky to stir things up
		 and through a monkey wrench into Detroits game plan.  However,
		if the Detroit coaching would be dumb enough to play their
		checking line against these "finesse" players - well then
		let them play.

** Potvin can not be faulted on 5 of the goals - keep him in.
** Van Hellamond can not be faulted for the Leafs demise either.
** The Wings defense shut down the Leafs (especially in the slot).

I hope Pat Burns realizes that his team was out-hit, out-skated, and
out-coached on Monday night.  This was not a loss because of poor goaltending
or officiating.  This calls for drastic measures ... or tee off is next Monday.

-jake.


  Does anyone know how to convert a targa or similar 24 bit picture into a list
 of R G B values and then convert back to targa after doing operations on the p
ixels R G B codes.
ex.  Targa ---->000100255pixel 1
001200201pixel 2etc....
If no one can help me with this could someone explain how the 24 bit data is st
ored in the targa file and also how its stored in the 8 bit targas.   Thanks


The tax protesters are legally correct, but they are put in jail anyway.

The weakness of the governments legal position is shown by the fact that when
someone protesting tax or gun laws on legal grounds gets a federal jury trial
(very rare) the feds blatantly stack the jury, with the same old faces turning
up time after time.

However Teel should have mentioned that though his advice is legally sound, if
you follow it you will probably wind up in jail.


There is a number you can call which will return a synthesized
voice telling you the number of the line.  Unfortunately, for the
life of me I can't remember what it is. The telephone technicians
use it all the time.  We used to play around with this in our
dorm rooms since there were multiple phone lines running between
rooms.

sorry!


Proper counter to this claim:  "Forensic analysis of the WTC bomb by
means of taggants would have been as impossible as semantic analysis
of NYT editorials by means of taggants -- the difficulty in both cases
being to have persuaded the bull to consume the taggants before
production of either item."
--


Basically, any prophet I've ever dealt with has either been busy
hawking stolen merchandise or selling swampland house lots in
Florida.  Then you hear all the stories of sexual abuse by prophets
and how the families of victims were paid to keep quiet about it.

Never mind that, but let me tell you about this Chevelle I bought
from this dude (you guessed it, a prophet) named Mohammed.  I've
got the car for like two days when the tranny kicks, then Manny,
my mechanic, tells me it was loaded with sawdust!  Take a guess
whether "Mohammed" was anywhere to be found.  I don't think so.

Oh, Mohammed!

Yeah, you, Mohammed!

You slimy mass of pond scum!

Yeah, right!  You're the one should be watching your butt.  You and
your buddy Allah.  The stereo he sold me croaked after two days.
Your ass is grass!

Jim


       As perhaps some insight into how this sort of thing works, the
local college newspaper had a big crusade to have the U.T. police
release crime stats.  (The school claimed that to do so would violate
federal education records privacy laws).  They swore up and down they
weren't interested in student discipline records, only for stats so people
could make an evaluation of how safe the campus was.

       It was barely a week after crime stats were released before the
Daily Beacon had an editorial calling for student disciplinary stats
to be released, because they complained certain segments of the campus
population were treated administratively rather than turned over to the
police and therefore the criminal states weren't accurate.

       What people say they want public today may not be what they
say tomorrow.


Roland HS-60 (SynthPlus 60)
  - 6 voice polyphonic fully programmable analog synthesizer
  - 61 full size keys
  - MIDI
  - Memory to store 128 patches
  - built in speakers
  - Connectors: MIDI in thru out, Input(2), Expansion Pedal, Head Phones,
    Tape Load & Save, Patch Shift, Pedal Hold, Output(2)

Asking $225


Later on, in your posting, you make reference to "putting words
into other people's mouths"...I would suggest that your last
paragraph can only be interpreted in one way...namely, that I,
along with Greg, claim that Gainey never made a technical
mistake.  If you actually read what I've written, you will find
that I make no such claim...soooo, if logic serves me well,
you're contradicting yourself.

Roger, I'm not sure here, but I think "ignorance" is really a
function of "a lack of knowledge" and not "formulating an
opinion"...but hey, if you need to take a cheap shot, then by all
means go ahead...that's if it makes you feel better.

My word, such vehemence against poor ol' Bob Gainey.  Why does
he bother you so much...he was an effective player for his style
of play.

I'm really sorry Roger, but you have lost me completely here.
Why don't you ask me if I would rather have Jesus Christ,
himself, in nets?

Now, if you were to compare, say for example, Bob Gainey with Guy
Carbonneau, you would have a balanced comparison.

I'm wrong AGAIN...hmmm, let's see...where was I wrong in the
first place?  I'm only guessing here, Rog, but I have a feeling
that you've setup a "You're wrong again" macro key on your
machine.

I agree that my use of the word plugger is simplistic...but I
think you know what I'm getting at.  I would also like to point
out that Gilmour's potential as a Selke-winner was never part of
the debate...are you asking me for an opinion?  If so, I think
there are far too many other deserving players to include Gilmour
among the candidates.

I would suggest that your comment: "And when the press runs out
of things to say about  the stars on dynasties they start to hype
the pluggers.  Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob
Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne Cashman,
Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard, Dick
Duff...and so on..." demonstrates a blanket disregard for these
individuals as contributors to the game...so yes, settle
down...nobody has claimed that they are hockey gods.

C'mon...it has a nice ring to it...and admit it, you had a good
laugh.

congenially, as always,

jd

--
James David
david@student.business.uwo.ca


Possibly because gay/bi men are less likely to get married?

What was the purpose of this post?  If it was to show a mindless obsession
with statistics, an incredibly flawed system of reasoning, and a repellent
hatemonger agenda, then the purpose was accomplished with panache.

(a) Get a clue.  (b) Get a life.  (c) Get out of my face.  I'm not in yours.

Drewcifer


I didn't mean to offend or anything, I'm just quoting Stanky himself on
the subject. I remember one time last year he was being interviewed by
ESPN, and the interviewer (can't remember who), asked Stanky if he was
Jewish because he (the interviewer) was Jewish and wanted to see more
Jewish ballplayers. To which Stanky replied, "I'm Polish, not Jewish."

So maybe that wasn't the most PC thing for Stanky to say, and maybe I was
a little naive when I posted it. I think we should just devote this
subject to finding actual Jewish ballplayers (I myself am Jewish and the
only ones I ever knew until now were Koufax, Greenberg, and Blomberg).


Well, it's said that people get the government they deserve.

Don't worry, you'll get yours.  You'll sleep much better when
everyone with thoughts not on the government 'approved' list
is rounded up and executed.


Sebastian C Sears, on the Tue, 13 Apr 1993 02:32:13 GMT wibbled:

:                  ... Came around a right hand sweeper (going around
: 	45 mph) only to find a cager going around 30 mph, calmly driving
:       along, with no other traffic around, in *my* lane. Not crossing
:       the line, not swerving, fully and totally within the south-bound
:       lane of 9W (one lane each direction).

And I haven't even got there yet.  Must have been some other Brit...
--

Nick (the English Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Left is Right

M'Lud.


Hello everybody,

I am searching for (business) information of Motif applications, to create a
TOP-30 of most used WordProcessors, Spreadsheets, Drawing programs, Schedulers
and Fax programs, etc..

Please mail me all your information or references.  I will summaries the
results on this media.

Thank you in advance,

Anton de Ruiter.


These arethe numbers I have been stating in the past 5-10 messages. It
really angers me that you insisted you were right, and that you had
no clue what your own car weighed. Why didn't you check when I first
told you that your figures were implausible?

I'd like to hear a better explanatin of how you come to that
conclusion from the above data.

No, sorry your wrong again. *You* quoted the del Sol as doing 0-60 in
8.1 according to C+D. Interestingly, the Stealth ES, which is
*faster* than your RT does the samerun in 8.5 seconds according to
C+D. Kind of embarassing isn't it? Why didn't you check the figures

before posting? It only makes you look stupid when you are caught out
twice with *your own* figures.

You really should have checked.

      *2*
If you insist, I gave you every chance to retract, but:

  Dodge Stealth ES Auto does an 8.5/16.4 - Wonder why you couldn't find it?

Do you realize that a 9k Sentra (C+D) will run a 16.7, that a Sentra SE-R or Saturn
will run in the 15's? Don't you think it is kind of strange that your
222hp sports car is so easily beaten.

A Mustang 5.0, which weights about the same (according to *your* numbers),
has less power and is much quicker? Care to explain. Don't be abusive,
just try and come up with a rational explanation of where those 222hp
went to, its a mystery to me.


As mentioned in Adiposity 101, only some experience weight
rebound.  The fact that you don't doesn't prove it doesn't
happen to others.


Did your boyfriend comment on the fact that Clement looks like a
walking ad for Brillo pad hair replacement therapy? The guy's just a
stuffed shirt who thinks he's the greatest hockey analyst since Howie
Meeker (for gosh sakes). I'll take Schoenie any day.

George


No, but I have several other breakdowns of accidental shootings.
I've never seen one that specifically provides the info that Davis insists
that he has, so I'd love to have a cite.

Wrong.  There's one gun design where that can happen, and it is
supposed to be carried with the hammer over an unloaded chamber.
(Cocking the gun turns the cylinder so that a loaded cylinder is under
the hammer.  In other words, it can be usefully carried in a safe
manner.)  Other handgun designs don't have that property; if their
trigger isn't pulled, the hammer can't hit the firing pin.

The breakdowns that I do have include the above category.  From them I
can safely say that if Davis is right in ALL of his claims, a large
negative number of people are killed by animals, because we know that
the number of killings by wackos is reasonably large and that the
number of accidents due to gun failures (which is a superset of the
described circumstance) is near zero.

Please do.  Include a cite for those of us who like looking at
context.  Make sure that your source excludes other types of
accidents and suicides that are misreported.  ("Gun cleaning
accident" is police-speak for "the family needs the insurance
money.")

-andy


I bought an Intrepid about two months ago and am very happy with
it.  Lots of room inside and even with the smaller engine it has
enough power for me.  The only problem I found was a small
selection on the dealer's lots. They are hot sellers around here.


Many thanks to those who replied to my appeal for info on a drive I have
which is 3.5" 600RPM!!

I now have some information on how to modify this for use with a BBC B
computer. Not only do you have to change the speed from 600 to 300 rpm
(tried that) but also change 8 components in the Rec/Play section to allow
for the lower data rate (250kbit, not 500kbit as it was designed for) and also
change the Recording Current to allow for the low data rate/rev speed!

Hopefully this should sort it all out .... not bad for 9 quid (normally 32
quid and upwards ....)

The drive is a JVC MDP series drive ...


/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) /  2:02 pm  Apr  2, 1993 /

All right people, this inane bug wibbling is just getting to much.  I
propose we split off a new group.
rec.motorcycles.nutrition
to deal with the what to do with squashed bugs thread.

--
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What?!?!? Haven't you heard about cross-posting??!?!? Leave it intact and
simply ignore the basenotes and/or responses which have zero interest for
a being of your stature and discriminating taste. ;-)

Yesterday, while on Lonoak Rd, a wasp hit my faceshield with just
enough force to glue it between my eyes, but not enough to kill it as
the legs were frantically wiggling away and I found that rather, shall
we say, distracting. I flicked it off and wiped off the residue at the
next gas stop in Greenfield. :-) BTW, Lonoak Rd leads from #25 into
King City although we took Metz from KC into Greenfield.

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350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649


That is not necessarily unorthodox.  When Christians call God 'Father',
we are using a metaphor.  The Bible in one place refers to God as being
like a mother.  God is neither a father nor a mother in the literal
sense; God has some of the attributes of both; the father metaphor is
usually used because (for most people at most times) it is the less
misleading of the two possibilities.


Hi netters,

My friend is seriously thinking of getting the Subaru SVX. There is
a local dealer here in Seattle selling them for $22600, with
Touring package, that's $7400 off from MSRP. He thinks it's a
very good deal (and I think so too). Since he knows I have access to
the net, he would like to get anyone's opinion about this car, especially
in the area of reliability and maintenanability.
Please send e-mail to me as my friend doesn't have access to the net.

My opinion about this car is, you get a lot for $22600:
auto everything (tranny, climate control, windows, locks, folddow rear seet),
full wheel drive, 2+2, fast (143 top spped), heavy (3580lb);-)

Thanks in advacne!


Moreover, if two riders are riding together at the same speed,
one might be riding well beyond his abilities and the other
may have a safety margin left.

Allan, I know the circumstances of several of your falls.
On the ride when you fell while I was next behind you,
you made an error of judgement by riding too fast when
you knew the road was damp, and you reacted badly when
you were surprised by an oncoming car.  That crash was
due to factors that were subject to your control.

I won't deny that there's a combination of luck and skill
involved for each of us, but it seems that you're blaming
bad luck for more of your own pain than is warranted.
--


The current mining regulations and fees were set in the 1800's!
What the so-called "eco-freaks" want to do is to simply bring those
fees in line with current economic reality.  Currently, mining companies
can get access to minerals on public lands for ridiculously low prices --
something like $50!  The mining lobby has for decades managed to block
any reform of these outdated fees.  In fact, the latest attempt to reform
them was again blocked -- President Clinton "compromised" by taking the
mining fee reforms out of his '94 budget, and plans to draft separate
legislation to fight that battle.
If you want to discuss this further, I suggest you take this to talk.environment.


       If you happen to know a political position which does not
have people advocating it who do more harm than good, please point it
out.

       One of the advantages and draw-backs of requiring proof
on the part of the government before they may take action against
citizens.  (and part of the reason some of us believe weapons should
be available.)

       We are not arguing the absolute sanctity of the U.S.
Constitution.  In fact, the fillibuster we're talking about isn't
*in* the Constitution.  I objected to your suggestion that the Senate
wasn't intended to exercise the power it was clearly given.

       I'll point out again that Reagan only had a Republican Majority
in the Senate during his first term, and his coalition in the House
came apart at about the same time.  Bush never had any real support in
Congress.

       The real point is that everybody, *everywhere* got their pork,
from the big corporations to the guy I saw last night leaving a
convenience store with an armful of junk-food he'd bought with
food stamps.  (He spent more in food stamps on junk than I *make* in a week
and I'm not on government assitance.)

       Lessee, let's pull out the old Almanac.

       In 1980, total U.S. government budget outlays were 590.9 billion
dollars.  In 1992 (est) they were 1.4754 trillion dollars, an increase of
approx. 884 billion dollars.

       In 1980, National Defense cost 133.9 billion dollars.  In
192 it was 307 billion dollars, and increase of 174 billion dollars.
That leaves an increase of 710 billion dollars unaccounted
for.  (This represented an increase of 230%)

       In 1980, Income Security (which includes retirement programs,
Housing Assitance, and unemployment benefits, and I believe welfare)
cost 86.5 billion dollars.  In 1992 it was 198 billion dollars, or
more than national defense started.  (This represented an increase
of 230%)

       In 1980, the Federal Government spent 32 billion dollars on
Medicare.  In 1992 they spent 118 billion dollars.  (an increase of
368%)

       In 1980, the Feds spent 9 billion dollars on housing
credits and subsidies of that like.  In 1992 it was 87 billion.

       In 1980, Health care services and research was 23 billion
dollars.  In 1992, it was 94 billion dollars.

       Agriculture, up 9 billion to 17 billion.

       Science, up 11 billion to 16 billion.

       Resource conservation up 7 billion to 20 billion.

       Education up 14 billion to 45 billion.

       Veteran benefits up 12 billion to 33 billion.

       Trasnportation up 13 billion to 34 billion.

       About the only things I see which was seriously decreased was under
the Energy category, primarily under "Supply," and "Community Development,"
in the area of "disaster relief," and between the two of them
represent a loss of less than 11 billion dollars.

       Where *was* this huge diversion?

       Not that's a stretch.  If the current government was pushed by
the President to create this mess, wouldn't one expect it to begin to
equalize once the pressure is gone?

       Only assuming that the new role is a positive role we want
to continue. I see very little positive about it.

       The Constitution was *designed* to frustrate the democratic
process, so that the voters could be absolutely sure they were getting
what they wanted by the time it happened.  Nor do I see putting the
brakes on the "democratic process" an inherently bad thing.  Califronia's
riding the edge and every time they pull their ballot initiative nonsense
it gets worse.

       Sometimes, or perhaps most of the time, the people should be
told, "no," and pointed to their local government.

       Phill, would you do me the very great favor of repeating that
in talk.politics.guns?

       Cute.  We can eliminate violations of the law by eliminating
the law.

       Free speech alone is dangerous, Phill.

       OK, Phill.  All you gotta show me is a clear pattern of
*reduction* in homicide rates across several countries and that'll
be it.  (Not current, mind, you, reduction.)

        Who's chaining anything to freedom of speech?  By *calling*
it a freedom?

       Phill, you're a master of subtly changing the subject.  I haven't
*based* my argument against raw democracy on the Constitution.  I've
tried to explain why it isn't a good idea.  The only time I've referred
to the Constitution is to point out it doesn't contain the restrictions
on the veto and the Senate you appear to believe were "meant," but
just didn't make it in there.

       The Constitution doesn't *contain* the 41% fillibuster rule.
I only believe that the rule is a good idea.  You cn't dismiss that
as venerating the Constitution because it isn't *in* the Constitution.


Also sprach slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca ...

Two things:

1. Didn't the trade deadline pass two weeks ago?

2. The FLYERS would never ever EVER give up Lindros, simple as that.

Go Flyers, Cup in '94...

Mike


Hello, I realize that this might be a FAQ but I have to ask since I don't get a
change to read this newsgroup very often.  Anyways for my senior project I need
to convert an AutoCad file to a TIFF file.  Please I don't need anyone telling
me that the AutoCAD file is a vector file and the TIFF is a bit map since I
have heard that about 100 times already I would just like to know if anyone
knows how to do this or at least point me to the right direction.


PLease take these and use them.  Take advantage of me... I really
don't know what they are worth.

Qty 2  -  Canoga Perkins Fiber Optic Modems, Model 2250, RS-422
          Interface, appear new.  I have powered up but that's all,
          I have not used them and I cannot tell you whether they
          work or not.
                                 Make Offer.........

Qty 1 -   ISC Datacom RF Modem, Model 1056-TX1-RX5-SM-120, Interface
          RS-449, Internal Fan, powers up fine but otherwise condition
          unknown, Phone # for the company is 408-747-0300.

                                 Make Offer ............

Qty 1 -   Motorola UDS  212 A/D  Modem, RS-232 interface appears to work
          but I have not and cannot check it.

                                 Make Offer  .............

Thanks and please buy this stuff or it goes out the door


I am developing an X (Xt,Xm) application that will include a graphics window
of some sort with moving symbols among other things.  A pure X application
could be implemented with Motif widgets, one of which would be an
XmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib.  But I would like to take advantage of
the Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS/6000 (SGI's GL i believe).

Is it possible to mix X and GL in one application program?
Can I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me
with XOpenWindow?

I have never used GL before, but the doc on GL winopen() says that the first
time winopen() is called it opens a connection to the server.   Also, most of
the GL calls do not require a Display or GC, unlike most X calls.  From this
initial information it appears that X and GL cannot be mixed easily.   Is this
true?

Does PEX (graPHIGS?) have the same functionality of GL?

Environment:
     AIXwindows X11R4
     Motif 1.1
     GL is available
     AIX Sys V 3.2
     IBM RS/6000 360

Thanks in advance.

Jay Graham
Jade Simulations International Corp.
14 Colonnade Road, Suite 150
Nepean, Ontario, Canada
613-225-5900 x226


A 1 of 4 decoder need not be the same as a 1 to 4 demultiplexer, although
many commercial SSI implementations allow you to use one as such. Strictly,
a 1 of 4 decoder need only take two lines in and make one output change
state, according to the inputs.

A demux, on the other hand, uses two control inputs to determine which
of four outputs will reflect the state of the input signal. So there are
three inputs required.

A decoder can be used as a demux if it is equipped with an output enable
input, since this can be used as the data input (e.g. when high, all
outputs are high; when low, only the selected (by control inputs) output
will be low).

An eight way decoder is created by using the high order bit (bit 2) to
select which of two four way demuxes is enabled. Thus you achieve your
aim of having only one output of eight reflecting the input bits. Note
that this method cannot be used to create a true eight way demux, since
you have no data input (the enable line on a four way decoder) left
once you commit the enable lines to their intended purpose.

A sixteen way decoder obviously requires four, four-way decoders, plus
a mechanism to enable only one of the four at a time. Therefore, use
the fifth decoder, attached to the two high order bits, to provide the
four enable lines.

Of course, the two low order bits must be connected in parallel to the
four final stage decoders.

Please give me the credit when you submit your homework.

JohnH

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Very well put.  And, in the case of someone who calls himself a Christian
brother yet continues in his sin (and claims that his sin is not a sin at
all, but perfectly acceptable), what should be done?  Should Christians
just ignore a sinful lifestyle in order to not offend the person?  By
reaffirming that the lifestyle is sinful according to the Bible, are
they using "a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus"?

Frankly, I find the occurance of a homosexual Christian attempting to
pass himself off as a 'straight' Christian in order to have other
Christians accept his chastisement better a *lot* more serious than
people reaffirming that the Bible teaches homosexuality is a sin.


Is there anybody who has (or can point me in the right direction) any
information about protected mode? Also interested in protected mode viewed from
a OS point of view.


Subject: options before back surgery for protruding disc at L4-L5
From: Alex Miller, amiller@almaden.ibm.com
Date: 13 Apr 93 18:30:42 GMT
rest

You don't say whether or not you have any symptoms other than pain.
If you have numbness, weakness or bladder problems, for example,
these would suggest a need for surgery. If pain is your only symptom
you might do well to find a reputable, multi-disciplinary pain
clinic in your area. Chronic low back pain generally doesn't do well
with surgery, acute on chronic pain (as only symptom) doesn't fare
much better.
e correlation between MRI findings and symptoms is controversial.


	I was hoping for something like "The chassis exhibits X
degrees of flex when subjected to forces of more than Y units.
Forces of more than Y units begin to manifest at Z miles per hour."

	Not "Well, gee, it wasn't designed to go fast because, uhh,
well, gee, it wasn't designed to go fast.  It's not a Porsche, you
know".

	Well, as compared to the normal Taurus, the SHO comes
with more supportive seats,better brakes,a stiffer suspension,
different tires, and a body design that takes advantage of aero
effects to keep the car on the ground (or at least I think that's
what all that boy-racer plastic is for).  You're kidding yourself if
you think any car on the road has a passenger compartment made to
withstand 130 MPH impacts.

	Oh, right.  Only 120,000 dollar cars should be driven fast.
They drive goddamn Rabbits at 120 MPH in Europe, pal, and I reckon
a Taurus is at least as capable as a Rabbit.

	Of course not.  "Speeding-is-bad.  Speeding-is-illegal.
I-will-not-speed.  I-love-Big-Brother."  You had your mind made up
already.

	It's interesting that lots of the roads out west had *NO*
speed limits until 1975.


Seems like a lot of trouble to go to. Its probably better to
invest in newer launch systems. I don't think a big cost advantage
for using Russian systems will last for very long (maybe a few years).
Lockheed would be the place to ask, since you would probably have to buy
the Proton from them (they market the Proton world wide except Russia).
They should know a lot about the possibilities, I haven't heard them
propose US launches, so I assume they looked into it and found it
unprofitable.

Yes...

Comparable to the Zenit I suppose, but since it looks like
nothing will be built there, you might just as well pick any
spot.

The message is: to launch now while its cheap and while Russia and
Kazakstan are still cooperating. Later, the story may be different.


I have the following items for sale.  The highest bid for each to arrive
in my email box by 5:00 pm EDT Wednesday April 21, 1993 gets the item.

1] Skillcraft Senior Chemlab Set 4581
        Safe for Ages 10 and Up
        Used little
        25 bottles of different Chemicals, Plastic Balance, Alcohol Lamp,
        Test Tube, Litmus Paper
        Manual with "Over 1100 Experiments"
        $4 shipping will be added to your bid

2] Eye of the Beholder II
        Fun game for the IBM PC
        In original box, with original media and Manual
        $3 shipping will be added to your bid

3] Clue Book for Eye of the Beholder II
	Solve your dilemmas in a hurry and find all the loot
	$1 shipping will be added to your bid
	Free shipping on this item if you bid highest on this and item 2].

4] Ethernet Transceiver (ST-500 With LanView (AUI to 50 Ohm coaxial))
        Works fine
        Has nifty blinking leds for send/receive/collision/power, etc.
        Built-in T
        Includes one 50 Ohm terminator
        $2 shipping will be added to your bid

5] Super Nintendo Super Controller
        Auto Repeated Fire
        Hands-Free Continuous Fire
        Slow Motion (accomplished by automatically pausing/unpausing)
	Add to a one-controller console to allow two players
        $2 shipping will be added to your bid

Be sure to include a  *SHIPPING ADDRESS* with *ALL* bids.
Be sure to include an *EMAIL ADDRESS*    with *ALL* bids.

Send bids to battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle).

You will be informed by email if your bid is the highest by 5:30 pm EDT
Wednesday April 21, 1993.

Items will be shipped US Postal Service First Class COD on Thursday morning.
A money order for your bid plus the indicated shipping amount will be needed
to receive the item.  Please keep this fact in mind when bidding.


Good heavens, you mean my good friend Wes Collins, who took his wife and two
small children into the jungles of Guatemala, despite dangers from primitive
conditions and armed guerillas, so that the indigenous people groups their
could have the Bible in their native languages--the young man who led Bible
studies in our church, who daily demonstrated and declared his deep abiding
faith in the Lord of Love--you mean he really was a sneaky imperialistic *SPY*
whose _real_ reason for going was to exploit and oppress the ignorant and
unsuspecting masses?  Imagine my surprise!  I never would have thought it of
him.

How was this terrible deceit discovered?  What exactly was the "cultural
interference" they were caught committing?  Attempting to persuade the locals
that their ancestral gods were false gods, and their sacrifices (including
human sacrifices in some cases) were vain?  Destroying traditional lifestyles
by introducing steel tools, medical vaccines, and durable clothes?  Oh and by
the way, who did the denouncing?

I am terribly shocked to hear that my friend Wes, who seemed so nice, was
really such a deceitful tool of the devil.  Please provide me with specific
documentation on this charge.  There is some risk that I may not believe it
otherwise.