Dean Velasco quoted a letter from James M Stowell, president of
Moody Bible Institute:

There has been a lot of discussion, but so far nobody seems to have hit on
exactly what the criticism of "arrogance" is aimed at.

The arrogance being attacked is that we "think we are the only ones who know
what the absolutes are".  In short, many evangelicals claim that they are
infallible on the matter of religious texts.

In particular, the problem is one of epistemology.  As a shorthand, you can
think of epistemology as "how do you know?"  That question, it turns out, is
a very troubling one.

The problem with `absolute certainty' is that, at the bottom, at least some of
the thinking goes on inside your own head.  Unless you can be certain that
everything which happens in your head is infallible, the reasoning you did to
discover a source of truth is in question.

And that means you do NOT have absolute justification for your source of
authority -- which means you do NOT have absolute certainty.

Let's take the specific example of Biblical Inerrancy, and a fictional
Inerrantist named Zeke.  (The following arguments applies to the idea of
Papal Infallibility, too.)

Zeke has, we presume, spent some time studying the Bible, and history, and
several other topics.  He has concluded, based on all these studies (and
possibly some religious experiences) that the Bible is a source of Absolute
Truth.

He may be correct; but even if he is, he cannot be certain that he is correct.
His conclusion depends on how well he studied history -- he may have made
mistakes, and the references he used may have contained mistakes.  His
conclusion depends on how well he studied the Bible -- he may have made
mistakes.  His conclusion depends on his own reasoning -- and he may have made
mistakes.  (Noticing a common thread yet?  8-)

Everything about his study of the world that he did -- everything that
happened in his own head -- is limited by his own thinking.  No matter what
he does to try and cover his mistakes, he can never be certain of his own
infallibility.  As long as ANY PART of the belief is based on his own
reasoning, that belief cannot be considered "absolutely certain".

Zeke believes that he has found a source of absolute truth -- but that belief
is only as good as the quality of the search he made for it.  Unless he can
say that his own reasoning is flawless, his conclusions are in doubt.

Any belief that you hold about absolute sources of truth depends in part on
your own thinking -- there is no way out of the loop.  Only an infallible
thinker can have absolute certainty in all his beliefs.

This is easy to demonstrate.  Let's go back to our shorthand method of doing
epistemology: "how do you know?"  Imagine a hypothetical discussion:

 A: The Bible is a source of absolute truth.

 B: How do you know?

 A: I studied history and the Bible and religious writings and church
    teachings and came to this conclusion.

 B: How do you know you studied history correctly?

 A: Well, I double-checked everything.

 B: How do you know you double-checked correctly?

 A: Well, I compared my answers with some smart people and we agreed.

 B: Just because some smart guy believes something that doesn't mean it is
    true.  How do you know THEY studied it correctly?

 A: ...

And, as you see, B will eventually get A to the point where he has to say "I
can't prove that there are no mistakes" -- and as long as you may have made a
mistake, then you cannot be ABSOLUTELY certain.

There is no way out of the loop.

This is where the "arrogance of Christians" arises: many people believe
that their own personal research can give them absolute certainty about the
doctrines of Christianity -- they are implicitly claiming that they are
infallible, and that there is no possibility of mistake.

Claiming that you CANNOT have made a mistake, and that your thinking has led
you to a flawless conclusion, is pretty arrogant.

 *

People who want to see this argument explained in great detail should try to
find _The Infallibility of the Church_, by George Salmon.  He is attacking
the idea that the Pope can be knowably infallible (and he does so very well),
but the general argument applies equally well to the idea that the Bible is
knowably Inerrant.


Note that I said the fall of Rome, not of the Empire.  The Roman Empire
lasted until 1453, with its transfered capital in Constantinople.  The
main reason for it's fall was not so much the sack of Constantinople by
the men of the 4th Crusade (who were not Christians - they had been
excommunicated down to the last man after attacking the Christian city
of Zara in Croatia), but rather the disastorous defeat in the battle of
Mazinkert.  After the Turks breached the frontier, it was only a matter
of time before the Empire fell, the inability of the Empire to hold onto
the rim of Anatolia, with the Ottomans and Rum Seljuks in the middle
should be quite obvious to any student of history.  The sack of
Constantinople only hastened the inevitable along.  For if the Greeks
had wanted to save their empire, why would they not cooperate with the
Crusaders when they came to do battle with the Saracens in the 1st-3rd
Crusades?  Because of their obstinacy over cooperating with people they
considered heretics, even though those "heretics" were fighting for the
cause of the Empire and Christendom in doing battle with the Turkish
hordes in Anatolia, Edessa, Lebanon, Palastine, and Syria, the some
hordes who were to later sack Constantinople, and overrun a third of
Europe (the Balkans, Hungary, the Ukraine, the Caucasus, etc.)


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On the cars mentioned - 3 series from the late 80's the "electronic"
odometer is really a mechanical drum type odometer, that is driven
by pulses from a speed sensor on the rear axle.  These pulses are
converted into mechanical pulses that turn the odometer - and speedometer.
No way changing or erasing an eprom is going to change the mileage
reading.  It also means the odometer is just as easy (or hard) to
change as any other mechanical odometer.

On the other hand it is a bit easier to disconnect the speed sensor
and run the car with no speedometer or odometer reading...a simple
switch will do the job.  It also will disable the speed limiter,
which will enable the car to reach it's full speed.  ;-)


While others here may have had better experiences, I, too, share the
sentiments posted above.  Though I have the original Stealth/VRAM,
it is only "relatively" recent that the Windows drivers for this card
have evolved to a point of decent performance.  Note that there are
STILL a couple of modes I cannot use (ie. will not) due to shadowing,
mis-drawn check boxes, etc.  I believe the version I have is 2.01.
If there's a more recent release, I'd appreciate if someone would
drop me a note to let me know -- I haven't been able to get on their
BBS lately to check again.  Naturally, Diamond doesn't even bother
notifying me of fixes/releases.

Diamond was helpful when I finally reached the "right" person in curing
some of my Windows' problems due to an address conflict.  The conflicting
addresses (2E0, 2E8) were OMITTED in at least my version of the
Diamond/VRAM manual.  I hope it has been corrected by now.  The tech rep
explained that ALL S3-based boards use these addresses.  I have not
confirmed the validity of that statement.

When I upgrade my motherboard in the near future (hopefully with some
form of local bus), I'll seek a video solution from someone other than
Diamond.

Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com)
               Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address.


    For discussion purposes, I will ignore dynamic effects like pulses
in the exhaust pipe, and try to paint a useful mental picture.

1.  Unless an engine is supercharged, the pressure available to force
air into the intake tract is _atmospheric_.  At the time the intake
valve is opened, the pressure differential available to move air is only
the difference between the combustion chamber pressure (left over after
the exhaust stroke) and atmospheric.  As the piston decends on the
intake stroke, combustion chamber pressure is decreased, allowing
atmospheric pressure to move more air into the intake tract.  At no time
does the pressure ever become "negative", or even approach a good
vacuum.

2.  At the time of the exhaust valve closing, the pressure in the
combustion chamber is essentially the pressure of the exhaust system up
to the first major flow restriction (the muffler).  Note that the volume
of gas that must flow through the exhaust is much larger than the volume
that must flow through the intake, because of the temperature
difference and the products of combustion.

3.  In the last 6-8 years, the Japanese manufacturers have started
paying attention to exhaust and intake tuning, in pursuit of almighty
horsepower.  At this point in time, on high-performance bikes,
substitution of an aftermarket free-flow air filter will have almost
zero affect on performance, because the stock intake system flows very
well anyway.  Substitution of an aftermarket exhaust system will make
very little difference, unless (in general) the new exhaust system is
_much_ louder than the stocker.

4.  On older bikes,  exhaust back-pressure was the dominating factor.
If free-flowing air filters were substituted, very little difference
was noted, unless a free-flowing exhaust system was installed as well.

5.  In general, an engine can be visualized as an air pump.  At any
given RPM, anything that will cause the engine to pump more air, be it
on the intake or exhaust side, will cause it to produce more horsepower.
Pumping more air will require recalibration (rejetting) of the carburetor.

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No matter how "absurd" it is to suggest that a common moral system created by
mankind is absolute, it is not contrary to reason to suggest that a common
moral system created by mankind is sensible. In fact, for the Bible to be of
any use to mankind as a moral code, it must be interpreted by mankind and a
workable moral system created for everyday use.

The Jewish Talmud is the result of centuries of Biblical scholars analysing
every word of the Torah to understand the morality behind it. The Children of
Israel were given a very strict set of Moral, Civil, Judicial and Ceremonial
Laws to follow and yet this was clearly not enough to cover every instance
of moral dilemma in their Society. For a Christian, the situation is no better.

It seems to me that the only code of morality that we have from the Judeo-
Christian God is that which is contained in the Bible (which we can see from
the diverse opinions in the Christian newsgroups is not clear). There may well
be an absolute morality defined by the Judeo-Christian God for mankind to
follow but it seems that we only have a subset simply because the concept was
written down by man.

This leads to the problem of defining morality for our society. If we take the
divine Morality then we have a code of practice which may be interpreted in many
different ways (as an example, consider the immolation of heretics in the
fifteenth century and the interpretation of the Bible which allows a man to do
that to another man under the precept to administer Justice). If we take an
agnostic Morality then we have a code of practice that can be modified to suit
society (with all the danger that this implies). Alternatively, we could take
the basis of the Judeo-Christian morality and interpret/extend this to create
and justify a code of morality which suits the society we live in and enables
the people to live Righteously (as many Christian and Non-Christian philosophers
have done).

Whatever the driving force behind the definition of morality for our society, I
think the important aspect is the result.

David.

---
On religion:


I've recently got hold of a PC with an S3 card in it, and I'd like to do some
C programming with it, are there any libraries out there that will let me
access the high resolution modes available via Borland Turbo C?


Experiences with Diamond Viper VLB video card

Several problems:

1) The ad specified 16.7 million colors at 640x480 resolution with 1MB
   of VRAM, which is what I have. This color depth is NOT SUPPORTED
   with video BIOS version 1.00 and drivers version 1.01. A max of 65K
   colors are supported at 640x800 and 800x600 resolutions with 1MB
   VRAM.

2) With the 65K color choice I notice two minor irritations:

   a) Under NDW, when an entry in a list is highlighted (such as in an
      Open menu) and then is deselected, a faint vertical line often
      remains where the left edge of the highlighted rectangle used to
      be.

   b) With Word for Windows, when you use shading in a table, the
      display shows the INVERSE of the shading; for example, if you
      shade the cell as 10%, the display is 90% (the printout is OK).

3) The big killer bug is using the Borland C++ Integrated Development
   Environment. The problem occurs when you click on the Turbo Debugger
   icon (or use the Debugger option in the Run command), and the
   debugger application goes to VGA character mode (as it is designed
   to do). The screen goes haywire, and is largely unreadable. The
   Turbo Debugger display is all garbled.

   Through trial and error, I have found that when the disrupted screen
   is displayed you should do [Alt-Spacebar] followed by the letter
   "R". This instructs Turbo Debugger to refresh the screen, and it
   does this satisfactorily. I wish I didn't have to do this.

   The bug is more than with the Diamond drivers. The same disruptive
   behavior happens with the standard VGA driver that comes with
   Windows. There must be something in the video card that mishandles
   the VGA mode.

   The problem is not my monitor. The same bug shows up when I use
   another monitor in place of my usual one.

I still like this video card, and am hoping its problems will be
remedied (they do offer a 5 year warranty).


} 	The vast majority get through life without ever having to
} 	own, use or display a firearm.
} ...
}
}       Given society
} 	as we now experience it - it seems safer to get rid of
} 	as many guns as possible.

Considering that the uses include self defense, hunting, target shooting
and collecting, I don't buy the notion that the vast majority of people
don't "own, use or display a firearm".

But let's say your contention is true.  What's the point of "get[ting]
rid of as many guns as possible", if they weren't being used anyway?


From the article "What's New" Apr-16-93 in sci.physics.research:

........
WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993  Washington, DC

1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE "SPINOFFS" WE WERE PROMISED?
In 1950, science fiction writer Robert Heinlein published "The
Man Who Sold the Moon," which involved a dispute over the sale of
rights to the Moon for use as billboard. NASA has taken the firsteps toward this
 hideous vision of the future.  Observers were
startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the
pad with "SCHWARZENEGGER" painted in huge block letters on the
side of the booster rockets.  Space Marketing Inc. had arranged
for the ad to promote Arnold's latest movie. Now, Space Marketing
is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on
a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth
orbit.  NASA would provide contractual launch services. However,
since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates
(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This
may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of
Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the
project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone
monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs.
..........

What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize
the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore.
What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that
it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night).
Is NASA really supporting this junk?
Are protesting groups being organized in the States?
Really, really depressed.

             Enzo


OK...

5) How about a fuel gauge that *really* told you how much fuel was
   left.  Like, "can I make it to where the gas is $1.14 or should
   I get gouged right here at $1.35?"  Accurate to the tenth of a
   gallon would be great.


Since the digital transmission schemes include error correction and
concealment, the performance remains about the same down to a very low
carrier-to-noise ratio, below which it degrades very quickly.  Hence,
digitally compressed TV is supposed to be less susceptible to interference
than amplitude modulated TV.


Why retract your accusation that he's a liar?  If Omran retracts his "verbal
diarrohea" doesn't that only prove the liar he *really* is?  A retraction
would be pointless!  Giving this guy the opportunity to "save face" after
uttering such bullshit would just encourage him to do it again!  I must say
that your style is very impressive, Mark.  Keep it up!

- Mike


Eric H. Taylor writes


I need to know the following information about the upcoming
Crypto Conference; The address to submit articles, and the
number of copies needed.  Thanks,
				Jonathan DeMarrais
				jed@pollux.usc.edu

--
--- Jay      jed@pollux.usc.edu          (University of Southern California)


I'm just guessing here, but I'd guess that X11R5 expects the CG3 to have
1152x900 resolution, and the version of the CG3 in the SPARCclassic is
1024x768.

--


Huh?  Clemens pitched last on Saturday, giving him his usual four days
rest.

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Brian Curran                 Mead Data Central              brian@meaddata.com


I've been saying this for quite some time, but being absent from the
net for a while I figured I'd stick my neck out a bit...

The Royals will set the record for fewest runs scored by an AL
team since the inception of the DH rule.  (p.s. any ideas what this is?)

They will fall easily short of 600 runs, that's for damn sure.  I can't
believe these media fools picking them to win the division (like our
Tom Gage of the Detroit News claiming Herk Robinson is some kind of
genius for the trades/aquisitions he's made)

c-ya

Sean


	One of the things I find intersting about pagan beliefs is
their belief in a feminine deity as well as a masculine deity. Being
brought up in a Christian household, I often wondered if there was God
the Father, where was the mother? Everyone I know who has a father
usually as a mother. It just seemed rather unbalanced to me.
	Fortunately, my own personal theology, which will probably not
fall into line with a lot others, recognized God as a being both
without gender and posessing qualities of both genders, as being both
a masculine and feminine force. It provides a sense of balance I find
sorely lacking in most theologies, a lack which I think is responsible
for a lot of the unbalanced ways in which we see the world and treat
each other.


Just Testing !!!
	No flames please !


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Archive-name: space/astronaut
Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:02 $

HOW TO BECOME AN ASTRONAUT

    First the short form, authored by Henry Spencer, then an official NASA
    announcement.

    Q. How do I become an astronaut?

    A. We will assume you mean a NASA astronaut, since it's probably
    impossible for a non-Russian to get into the cosmonaut corps (paying
    passengers are not professional cosmonauts), and the other nations have
    so few astronauts (and fly even fewer) that you're better off hoping to
    win a lottery. Becoming a shuttle pilot requires lots of fast-jet
    experience, which means a military flying career; forget that unless you
    want to do it anyway. So you want to become a shuttle "mission
    specialist".

    If you aren't a US citizen, become one; that is a must.  After that,
    the crucial thing to remember is that the demand for such jobs vastly
    exceeds the supply.  NASA's problem is not finding qualified people,
    but thinning the lineup down to manageable length.	It is not enough
    to be qualified; you must avoid being *dis*qualified for any reason,
    many of them in principle quite irrelevant to the job.

    Get a Ph.D.  Specialize in something that involves getting your hands
    dirty with equipment, not just paper and pencil.  Forget computer
    programming entirely; it will be done from the ground for the fore-
    seeable future.  Degree(s) in one field plus work experience in
    another seems to be a frequent winner.

    Be in good physical condition, with good eyesight.	(DO NOT get a
    radial keratomy or similar hack to improve your vision; nobody knows
    what sudden pressure changes would do to RKed eyes, and long-term
    effects are poorly understood.  For that matter, avoid any other
    significant medical unknowns.)  If you can pass a jet-pilot physical,
    you should be okay; if you can't, your chances are poor.

    Practise public speaking, and be conservative and conformist in
    appearance and actions; you've got a tough selling job ahead, trying
    to convince a cautious, conservative selection committee that you
    are better than hundreds of other applicants.  (And, also, that you
    will be a credit to NASA after you are hired:  public relations is
    a significant part of the job, and NASA's image is very prim and
    proper.)  The image you want is squeaky-clean workaholic yuppie.
    Remember also that you will need a security clearance at some point,
    and Security considers everybody guilty until proven innocent.
    Keep your nose clean.

    Get a pilot's license and make flying your number one hobby;
    experienced pilots are known to be favored even for non-pilot jobs.

    Work for NASA; of 45 astronauts selected between 1984 and 1988,
    43 were military or NASA employees, and the remaining two were
    a NASA consultant and Mae Jemison (the first black female astronaut).
    If you apply from outside NASA and miss, but they offer you a job
    at NASA, ***TAKE IT***; sometimes in the past this has meant "you
    do look interesting but we want to know you a bit better first".

    Think space:  they want highly motivated people, so lose no chance
    to demonstrate motivation.

    Keep trying.  Many astronauts didn't make it the first time.

    NASA
    National Aeronautics and Space Administration
    Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center
    Houston, Texas

    Announcement for Mission Specialist and Pilot Astronaut Candidates
    ==================================================================

    Astronaut Candidate Program
    ---------------------------

    The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) has a need for
    Pilot Astronaut Candidates and Mission Specialist Astronaut Candidates
    to support the Space Shuttle Program. NASA is now accepting on a
    continuous basis and plans to select astronaut candidates as needed.

    Persons from both the civilian sector and the military services will be
    considered.

    All positions are located at the Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center in
    Houston, Texas, and will involved a 1-year training and evaluation
    program.

    Space Shuttle Program Description
    ---------------------------------

    The numerous successful flights of the Space Shuttle have demonstrated
    that operation and experimental investigations in space are becoming
    routine. The Space Shuttle Orbiter is launched into, and maneuvers in
    the Earth orbit performing missions lastling up to 30 days. It then
    returns to earth and is ready for another flight with payloads and
    flight crew.

    The Orbiter performs a variety of orbital missions including deployment
    and retrieval of satellites, service of existing satellites, operation
    of specialized laboratories (astronomy, earth sciences, materials
    processing, manufacturing), and other operations. These missions will
    eventually include the development and servicing of a permanent space
    station. The Orbiter also provides a staging capability for using higher
    orbits than can be achieved by the Orbiter itself. Users of the Space
    Shuttle's capabilities are both domestic and foreign and include
    government agencies and private industries.

    The crew normally consists of five people - the commander, the pilot,
    and three mission specialists. On occasion additional crew members are
    assigned. The commander, pilot, and mission specialists are NASA
    astronauts.

    Pilot Astronaut

    Pilot astronauts server as both Space Shuttle commanders and pilots.
    During flight the commander has onboard responsibility for the vehicle,
    crew, mission success and safety in flight. The pilot assists the
    commander in controlling and operating the vehicle. In addition, the
    pilot may assist in the deployment and retrieval of satellites utilizing
    the remote manipulator system, in extra-vehicular activities, and other
    payload operations.

    Mission Specialist Astronaut

    Mission specialist astronauts, working with the commander and pilot,
    have overall responsibility for the coordination of Shuttle operations
    in the areas of crew activity planning, consumables usage, and
    experiment and payload operations. Mission specialists are required to
    have a detailed knowledge of Shuttle systems, as well as detailed
    knowledge of the operational characteristics, mission requirements and
    objectives, and supporting systems and equipment for each of the
    experiments to be conducted on their assigned missions. Mission
    specialists will perform extra-vehicular activities, payload handling
    using the remote manipulator system, and perform or assist in specific
    experimental operations.

    Astronaut Candidate Program
    ===========================

    Basic Qualification Requirements
    --------------------------------

    Applicants MUST meet the following minimum requirements prior to
    submitting an application.

    Mission Specialist Astronaut Candidate:

    1. Bachelor's degree from an accredited institution in engineering,
    biological science, physical science or mathematics. Degree must be
    followed by at least three years of related progressively responsible,
    professional experience. An advanced degree is desirable and may be
    substituted for part or all of the experience requirement (master's
    degree = 1 year, doctoral degree = 3 years). Quality of academic
    preparation is important.

    2. Ability to pass a NASA class II space physical, which is similar to a
    civilian or military class II flight physical and includes the following
    specific standards:

	 Distant visual acuity:
	      20/150 or better uncorrected,
	      correctable to 20/20, each eye.

	 Blood pressure:
	      140/90 measured in sitting position.

    3. Height between 58.5 and 76 inches.

    Pilot Astronaut Candidate:

    1. Bachelor's degree from an accredited institution in engineering,
    biological science, physical science or mathematics. Degree must be
    followed by at least three years of related progressively responsible,
    professional experience. An advanced degree is desirable. Quality of
    academic preparation is important.

    2. At least 1000 hours pilot-in-command time in jet aircraft. Flight
    test experience highly desirable.

    3. Ability to pass a NASA Class I space physical which is similar to a
    military or civilian Class I flight physical and includes the following
    specific standards:

	 Distant visual acuity:
	      20/50 or better uncorrected
	      correctable to 20/20, each eye.

	 Blood pressure:
	      140/90 measured in sitting position.

    4. Height between 64 and 76 inches.

    Citizenship Requirements

    Applications for the Astronaut Candidate Program must be citizens of
    the United States.

    Note on Academic Requirements

    Applicants for the Astronaut Candidate Program must meet the basic
    education requirements for NASA engineering and scientific positions --
    specifically: successful completion of standard professional curriculum
    in an accredited college or university leading to at least a bachelor's
    degree with major study in an appropriate field of engineering,
    biological science, physical science, or mathematics.

      The following degree fields, while related to engineering and the
    sciences, are not considered qualifying:
      - Degrees in technology (Engineering Technology, Aviation Technology,
	Medical Technology, etc.)
      - Degrees in Psychology (except for Clinical Psychology, Physiological
	Psychology, or Experimental Psychology which are qualifying).
      - Degrees in Nursing.
      - Degrees in social sciences (Geography, Anthropology, Archaeology, etc.)
      - Degrees in Aviation, Aviation Management or similar fields.

    Application Procedures
    ----------------------

    Civilian

    The application package may be obtained by writing to:

	NASA Johnson Space Center
	Astronaut Selection Office
	ATTN: AHX
	Houston, TX 77058

    Civilian applications will be accepted on a continuous basis. When NASA
    decides to select additional astronaut candidates, consideration will be
    given only to those applications on hand on the date of decision is
    made. Applications received after that date will be retained and
    considered for the next selection. Applicants will be notified annually
    of the opportunity to update their applications and to indicate
    continued interest in being considered for the program. Those applicants
    who do not update their applications annually will be dropped from
    consideration, and their applications will not be retained. After the
    preliminary screening of applications, additional information may be
    requested for some applicants, and person listed on the application as
    supervisors and references may be contacted.

    Active Duty Military

    Active duty military personnel must submit applications to their
    respective military service and not directly to NASA. Application
    procedures will be disseminated by each service.

    Selection
    ---------

    Personal interviews and thorough medical evaluations will be required
    for both civilian and military applicants under final consideration.
    Once final selections have been made, all applicants who were considered
    will be notified of the outcome of the process.

    Selection rosters established through this process may be used for the
    selection of additional candidates during a one year period following
    their establishment.

    General Program Requirements

    Selected applicants will be designated Astronaut Candidates and will be
    assigned to the Astronaut Office at the Johnson Space Center, Houston,
    Texas. The astronaut candidates will undergo a 1 year training and
    evaluation period during which time they will be assigned technical or
    scientific responsibilities allowing them to contribute substantially to
    ongoing programs. They will also participate in the basic astronaut
    training program which is designed to develop the knowledge and skills
    required for formal mission training upon selection for a flight. Pilot
    astronaut candidates will maintain proficiency in NASA aircraft during
    their candidate period.

    Applicants should be aware that selection as an astronaut candidate does
    not insure selection as an astronaut. Final selection as an astronaut
    will depend on satisfactory completion of the 1 year training and
    evaluation period. Civilian candidates who successfully complete the
    training and evaluation and are selected as astronauts will become
    permanent Federal employees and will be expected to remain with NASA for
    a period of at least five years. Civilian candidates who are not
    selected as astronauts may be placed in other positions within NASA
    depending upon Agency requirements and manpower constraints at that
    time. Successful military candidates will be detailed to NASA for a
    specified tour of duty.

    NASA has an affirmative action program goal of having qualified
    minorities and women among those qualified as astronaut candidates.
    Therefore, qualified minorities and women are encouraged to apply.

    Pay and Benefits
    ----------------

    Civilians

    Salaries for civilian astronaut candidates are based on the Federal
    Governments General Schedule pay scales for grades GS-11 through GS-14,
    and are set in accordance with each individuals academic achievements
    and experience.

    Other benefits include vacation and sick leave, a retirement plan, and
    participation in group health and life insurance plans.

    Military

    Selected military personnel will be detailed to the Johnson Space Center
    but will remain in an active duty status for pay, benefits, leave, and
    other similar military matters.


I had heard the rumors about LA, Cin, Hou, and SD all being
interested in Mark Davis, so it doesn't surprise me that a
team had to give up something and cash to actually get him.

Lynch "MOB"


G'day people,

	Are there any MR2 owners or motor-head gurus out there, that know why
my MR2's engine sounds noisy? The MR2's engine is noisy at the best of times,
but not even a nice nose - it's one of those very ugly noises.
	I do an oil change every 2-3 months, and for about 2 months the engine
noise sounds relatively quiet during driving and idling. At around the 3 month
mark, after an oil change (I've been tracking this very thoroughly for months
now) it starts to get that very disgusting noise, not so much during driving,
but more so during idling.
	What's its problem?
	Also.. I don't know if it's just me, but if noticed a little
performance drop. It just hasn't got the acceleration it used to.

	Any help/tips would be appreciated!!


I have the following equipment for sale:

1. Kenwood TH-28A 2mtr HT			$250.00

2. RF Concepts 2mtr Amp (45in->170out)		$275.00

3. Hamtronics Class C Continuous Duty
	440mhz 10watt-in ~40watt-out amp	$250.00

All prices include shipping/insurance.

For additional information, contact me at the address below.

Dave


	There was apparently a 30 minute special here on the Penguins'
season on ABC (WTAE - channel 4), immediately preceding the opening
game against the Devils on Sunday.  I only turned it on in time to
watch the credits.  If anyone taped it and is willing to let me borrow
it to dub it, I would appreciate it.  I would be willing to come pick
it up, and I'll return it the next day and buy you a beer.  Please
respond via e-mail.  Thanks a lot.
	Oh yeah.  Was it any good?
						-Billy


Hello,
  I just got some SIMMs,  at least one of which does not work. I don't know if
there is a software that can test SIMMs thoroughly or I could just rely on the
RAM test performed by my computer during the start up. When I installed a dead
SIMM into an LC or  an LC II, there would be a strange music and no display on
the screen. Why? I need your help! Thanks in advance


Please forgive all the inclusions. I suppose they are neccessary to follow
the argument.

My point is that "if life has meaning or importance then we should try
to find that meaning or importance" which is almost a tautology. (I hope
I'm not being too patronizing.) One term for that meaning is "Creator",
though that is not obvious from my above argument.

(It's more like "I think, therefore I am, therefore God is.")

Unfortunately the term "religious" is ambiguous to me in this context.
I could say that searching for meaning in life is by definition being
religious. I could say cult followers by definition have given up on
the search.

If you want "meaning" why not search for the truth?

So far, my understanding of Christianity is congruent with my understanding
of truth. There have been many before me who have come to conclusions
that are worded in ways that make sense to me. By no means does that imply
that I understand everything.


Toronto Siggraph
================

What: ``Chance's Art'': 2D Graphics and Animation on the Indigo.

By:    Ken Evans, Imagicians Artware, Inc.

When:  Tuesday 20 April 1993 7:00pm-9:00pm

Where: The McLuhan Centre for Culture and Technology
       University of Toronto
       39A Queen's Park Crescent
       Toronto

Who:   Members and non-members alike
       (non-members encouraged to become members...)

Abstract:

Imagicians Artware, Inc. is entering into early beta site testing on Silicon
Graphics workstations of a new 2D abstract artwork and animation package called
Chance's Art.  The package will be described and demonstrated, and some of the
technical issues will be discussed.  Marketing plans will be outlined.  The
talk will also present some of the technical and business problems increasingly
confronting small startup software companies today, and some of the
opportunities this situation presents.

Time after the event will be allocated for hands-on demonstrations to
interested parties.  Silicon Graphics is graciously providing an Indigo for
this event.  Myck Kupka will also be demonstrating his computerized interactive
reflective stereoscope, which is installed upstairs in the McLuhan Centre, so
feel free to drop by for a demonstration before or after the event. BTW, be
sure to sing "Happy Birthday, Myck"...

The names of nominees for our Siggraph executive offices will be announced at
this meeting.  Nominations will still be open until the election at our
May 18th event; call Myck Kupka at 465-0943 or fax to 465-0729.

Directions: The McLuhan Coachhouse is on the east side of Queen's Park
Crescent, just NORTH of Wellesley, SOUTH of St. Joseph St., BEHIND (EAST of)
39 Queen's Park Crescent, which is the centre for Mediaeval Studies.


I think it would be a great idea to have a new group created:

comp.sys.ibm.pc.flame.therapy


       Well, I don't think your query was exactly polite, but I will TRY to
give you a polite responce.  Something atypical of the net, but here it goes.

       Black is a descriptive adjective that describes Mr. King.  From many
of the newspaper, radio, and tv news reports I have seen, this adjective
is commonly in front of his name.  I have NEVER seen anyone complain about
the use of this adjective when used in a benign manner.  I did not say that
Mr. King was a no good black!  I do not know Mr. King and would not make this
ascertian without some evidence to this effect.  I used it PURELY as a
descriptive adjective in the same manner than many ( most ) news people have
used it in the past.

      The entire second trial was about race, Ted.  I don't feel compelled to
discuss Mr. King's racial background, but had Mr. King been white there would
not have been a second trial.  You probably are saying that the beating would
not have occurred if he were white, but that is an extremely difficult call
to make.  It is possible the case, but not definately.

      I still think your actions are crap, Ted.  They are far more divisive than
me using the adjective 'black' in a non-derogenory manner.  Would you have
been happier if I had used 'African-american' ?  If so, then you really are
lost in the world of PC.  You have already been instrumental in getting one
persons net access revoked, and I wonder if you have sent a copy of my
message to my sys admin with a plea that I am not worthy of posting.


The subject does not describe the problem I am having very well.  Please read
on...

I am trying to write a function which creates an XtAppContext and a Widget,
displays the widget for a while, then destroys everything and returns.  The
problem is that multiple calls to this function cause a variety of problems
including (depending on which calls I make to get rid of things):

- Core Dump
- BadPixmap X Error
- Widget not unmapped

Here is a simple (C++) program I wrote to show the problem:

#include <X11/Xlib.h>
#include <Xm/Xm.h>
#include <Xm/PushB.h>

void bla()
{
        XtAppContext app;
        Display *dis = XOpenDisplay("");
        int junk = 0;

        Widget top=XtAppInitialize (&app, "test", NULL, 0, &junk, NULL,
                NULL, NULL, 0);

        Widget box = XtVaCreateManagedWidget("blaaa", xmPushButtonWidgetClass,
                        top,
                        XmNheight, 50,
                        XmNwidth, 50,
                        NULL);

        XtRealizeWidget(top);
        //Same as XtAppMainLoop but with only 10 XEvents
        for (int i=0;i<=10;i++)
        {
                XEvent event;
                XtAppNextEvent(app, &event);
                XtDispatchEvent(&event);
        }

// WHAT SHOULD I PUT HERE???
        XtUnrealizeWidget(top);
        XtDestroyWidget(top);
        XtDestroyApplicationContext(app);
        XCloseDisplay(dis);
// ???
}

main()
{
        for (int i=0;i<=20;i++)
                bla();
}

Note that I rewrote XtAppMainLoop so that at a given time (in this example,
after 10 XEvents) the function will exit and return to the main program.
With this example, I get the following error on about (this is NOT consistent)
the 5th call to bla():

X Error of failed request:  BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  55 (X_CreateGC)
  Resource id in failed request:  0xe0000d
  Serial number of failed request:  71
  Current serial number in output stream:  86

If I take out the XtUnrealizeWidget(top); line, it just dumps core on the
seconds call.

Furthermore, every time I call XtAppInitialize() (other than the 1st time), I
get:

Warning: Initializing Resource Lists twice
Warning: Initializing Translation manager twice.

So finally, my question is this:

What needs to be done in order to be able to call a function which creates
an XtAppContext and widgets multiple times?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

PLEASE respond via email as I dont usually have time to read this group.

Thanks very much.

-davewood
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder


Yes. As long as the goverment over there can force some authority and prevent
terrorists attack against Israel.

Sinai had several big cities that were avcuated when isreal gave it back to
Egypth, but for a peace agreement. So it is my opinin that the settlers will not
be an obstacle for withdrawal as long it is combined with a real peace agreement
with the Arabs and the Palastinians.

Naftaly


: >True, man did not invent the need for food, shelter, warmth and the ilk,
: >but man did invent the property laws and the laws of trespass.
: But how do you think property is generated ? Does it grow automatically
: on trees when we wish so, or someone has to produce it ?

Some say it was generated by God or Goddess; some say it was the result of
the coalescence of billions of tons of interstellar debris.  In either case,
the property of which Xavier speaks has been around for millions of years.

:     It all follows from the fact that Mother Nature does not
: provide us automatically with our needs,

Oh?  When did She *stop*?  Mother Nature has been automatically providing
us with her bounty ever since we crawled out of the primordial ooze.  It
is not "produced": it produces itself, year after year.  Last night, for
example, I saw four deer crossing the road (pretty sight, too); in an
earlier time, one of them would have been dinner.

: There are 2 ways to go with produced things: the first is to
: _trade_ it with the the person(s) who produced it.
: The other one is to take it with a gun from the person who produced
: it. The first way is the civilized method, the second is how savages
: arrange their affairs.

The American Indians had no concept of ownership of property, and often
freely gave of their supplies to neighboring tribes, trading food and
clothing for weapons or services.  The Native Hawaiians, like their
Polynesian ancestors, also could not conceive of that idea, and shared
many things with the other Islanders.  In fact, "hi'ipoi", the Hawaiian
word for "cherish" means "sharing food".  The Great Mahele, in which
the Islands were divided up more-or-less evenly between the rich and
the poor, was a white man's idea.  In Africa, villagers will often
share tools, crops, and clothing with other members of their own village
and neighboring villages.  Every anthropologist who has ever been to
Africa has at least one tale of the difficulties arising from the so-
called "theft" of the scientists possessions -- two concepts of which,
until the visitors came along, the natives had no understanding.

These are the people we call "savages".

On the other hand, car-jackings and muggings are up from last year.

Dov, before you make further comment on this thread, I think it would
behoove you to study *all* of the facts.


I believe the reason is that the lung diaphram gets too tired to pump
the liquid in and out and simply stops breathing after 2-3 minutes.
So if your in the vehicle ready to go they better not put you on
hold, or else!! That's about it. Remember a liquid is several more times
as dense as a gas by its very nature. ~10 I think, depending on the gas
and liquid comparision of course!


It's a fair stretch of anyone's imagination to expect them to
attach any credibility to anything written in Time magazine in
the past twenty years, I'd imagine.  The Enquirer at least gets
the names attached to the right body parts.

=Mark
--


I hate to follow up to my own posting, but I should perhaps clarify
some things so I won't get flamed.

First of all, when I'm talking about ``factoring the modulus'' or a
``breakthrough in factoring'', what I really mean is a breakthrough in
the cryptanalysis of RSA.  I know that factoring and breaking RSA are
not proven to be equivalent; it's just so damn convenient not to
repeat this every time.

I also have to admit that I don't really know if the ``non-group''
property of a cipher is essential only for key chaining.  I have
thought about it a little while, but I can't find a way that a
cryptanalyst could exploit a group structure.  That, of course, means
nothing at all.

Then I wrote,

What I meant was that as long as the only advantage of the
cryptanalyst is a faster computer, then we will probably have RSA for
a long time to come, because even if 1024-bit moduli somehow could be
broken with fast computers (not with a new algorithm), then people
would simply use longer moduli.  Both users and cryptanalysts benefit
from better technology in the same way.

Hope this keeps the flames away...  Have fun.


Would if only it were true ...

If only MIT would fix the !@&$^*@ twm "InstallWindowColormaps()" crash bug
once and for all, then I could say that I've (almost) unable to crash either
"twm" or "tvtwm", which would be a remarkable feat - and most desirable to
boot.  I mean, this bug has only been reported, oh, a zillion times by now ...

Now *servers*, on the other hand ... (want to crash an OpenWindows 3.0 "xnews"
server at will?  Just do an 'xbiff -xrm "XBiff*shapeWindow: on"'.  Blammo.)


I believe that any VL/EISA/ISA motherboard that uses the HINT chipset
is limited to 24-bit EISA DMA (where 'real' EISA DMA is 32-bit).  The
HINT EISA DMA has the 16 mb ram addressing limitation of ISA.  For this
reason I would pass.  I own one of these (HAWK VL/EISA/ISA) and am look-
ing to replace it for exactly this reason.

Please double-check me on this.  In other words, call the motherboard
manufacturer and ask them if the motherboard supports true 32-bit EISA
DMA.

Other than this limitation, the motherboard works quite well (I am using
mine with DOS 5, Windows 3.1, and UNIX S5R3.2).  Also with Adaptec 1742a
EISA SCSI host adapter.


:
:                      THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH
:
:      (Following is a transcript of a recruitment and training
: videotape made last summer by the Qassam Battalions, the military

As opposed to Israel's many ways of death. Using bombers and artillery
against Lebanese towns and villages. Using fire arms and lethal
variants of tear gas and *rubber coated* bullets against stone
throwers. Using tanks and anti-tank missiles against homes after a 5
minute evacuation warning.  Using Shin Bit's "reasonable" physical
pressure in interrogation. And more. Not counting of course past
practices such as the bombardment of Beirut in 1982, the bombing of the
Egyptian school of Bahr-El-Bakar and the Abu-Za'bal factory in 1978,
the downing of the Libyan airliner full of Egyptian passengers near
the same time. Overseeing the Maronite massacre in Sabra and Shatilla.
That is of course besides numerous massacres by Irgun and other gangs
during the British mandate period.

Ironically the same Op-Ed page in the NYT times from which the Naftaly
copied this article was running another article next to it by A.M.
Rosenthall blaming Bosnian Muslims for their own genocide by effectively
saying that it is stupid to seek independence if independence will bring
your people slaughter. But what else would one expect from Mr. Rosenthall
who never wasted a chance to bash Arabs or Muslims.


--AutoWeek had an article about the car within the past six weeks.
  It was the issue with the Diablo VT AWD on the cover.  Naturally, I
  don't remember the date of the issue offhand, but I can check it if
  anyone is interested.

--Aamir Qazi

--


Here is one by Andrew "Graphics Gems" Glassner that I got from a
collegue of mine.  I think I fiddled with it a little bit to make it
deal with whatever bizarre problem I was working on at the time but it
is known to work.

							spl
			       - - - -
/* spheres
    ASG     9 Feb 85
    spl Thu Mar  8 17:17:40 EST 1990
*/
#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>

#define PI 3.141592654

struct Point_struct {
        double x, y, z;
};

static double radius;
static double xorg;
static double yorg;
static double zorg;

do_sphere( r, freq, x, y, z )

  double r;
  int freq;
  double x;
  double y;
  double z;

  {

    int pole;
    double northy, southy, poley;
    double rtheta, rtheta2, ntheta, ntheta2, magicangle;
    double theta, thetastart, thisy, den, t;
    struct Point_node *pnp;
    struct Point_struct p1, p2, p3, p4, n1, n2, n3, n4, pt;

    radius = r;
    xorg = x;
    yorg = y;
    zorg = z;

/* north pole */

    magicangle = 30.0*PI/180.0;
    northy = radius*sin(magicangle);
    southy = -radius*sin(magicangle);
    for (pole=0; pole<2; pole++) {

      if (pole==0) {

        poley=radius;
        thisy=northy;
        thetastart=0.0;

      }
      else {

        poley= -radius;
        thisy=southy;
        thetastart=36.0;

      }
      for ( theta = thetastart; theta < 360.0; theta += 60.0 ) {

        rtheta = theta*PI/180.0;
        rtheta2 = (theta+60.0)*PI/180.0;
        p1.x = 0.0;
        p1.y = poley;
        p1.z = 0.0;
        p2.x = radius*cos(rtheta);
        p2.y = thisy;
        p2.z = radius*sin(rtheta);
        p3.x = radius*cos(rtheta2);
        p3.y = thisy;
        p3.z = radius*sin(rtheta2);

        if (pole==0) {

/* make ring go the other way so normals are right */

          pt.x = p3.x;
          pt.y = p3.y;
          pt.z = p3.z;
          p3.x = p2.x;
          p3.y = p2.y;
          p3.z = p2.z;
          p2.x = pt.x;
          p2.y = pt.y;
          p2.z = pt.z;

        }

        den = (p1.x*p1.x)+(p1.y*p1.y)+(p1.z*p1.z);
        den = sqrt(den);

        if (den != 0.0) {

          t = radius / den;
          p1.x *= t;
          p1.y *= t;
          p1.z *= t;

        }

        den = (p2.x*p2.x)+(p2.y*p2.y)+(p2.z*p2.z);
        den = sqrt(den);

        if (den != 0.0) {

          t = radius / den;
          p2.x *= t;
          p2.y *= t;
          p2.z *= t;

        }

        den = (p3.x*p3.x)+(p3.y*p3.y)+(p3.z*p3.z);
        den = sqrt(den);

        if (den != 0.0) {

          t = radius / den;
          p3.x *= t;
          p3.y *= t;
          p3.z *= t;

        }

        subdivide_tri(&p1,&p2,&p3,freq);

      }

    }

/* now the body */

    for (theta=0.0; theta<360.0; theta += 60.0) {

      rtheta = theta*PI/180.0;
      rtheta2 = (theta+60.0)*PI/180.0;
      ntheta = (theta+36.0)*PI/180.0;
      ntheta2 = (theta+96.0)*PI/180.0;
      p1.x = radius*cos(rtheta);
      p1.y = northy;
      p1.z = radius*sin(rtheta);
      p2.x = radius*cos(rtheta2);
      p2.y = northy;
      p2.z = radius*sin(rtheta2);
      p3.x = radius*cos(ntheta);
      p3.y = southy;
      p3.z = radius*sin(ntheta);
      p4.x = radius*cos(ntheta2);
      p4.y = southy;
      p4.z = radius*sin(ntheta2);

      den = (p1.x*p1.x)+(p1.y*p1.y)+(p1.z*p1.z);
      den = sqrt(den);

      if (den != 0.0) {

        t = radius / den;
        p1.x *= t;
        p1.y *= t;
        p1.z *= t;

      }

      den = (p2.x*p2.x)+(p2.y*p2.y)+(p2.z*p2.z);
      den = sqrt(den);

      if (den != 0.0) {

        t = radius / den;
        p2.x *= t;
        p2.y *= t;
        p2.z *= t;

      }
      den = (p3.x*p3.x)+(p3.y*p3.y)+(p3.z*p3.z);
      den = sqrt(den);
      if (den != 0.0) {

        t = radius / den;
        p3.x *= t;
        p3.y *= t;
        p3.z *= t;

      }
      den = (p4.x*p4.x)+(p4.y*p4.y)+(p4.z*p4.z);
      den = sqrt(den);
      if (den != 0.0) {

        t = radius / den;
        p4.x *= t;
        p4.y *= t;
        p4.z *= t;

      }

      subdivide_tri(&p1,&p2,&p3,freq);
      subdivide_tri(&p3,&p2,&p4,freq);

    }

    return;

  }

#define norm_pt(v) { register double r = sqrt( ( ( v )->x * ( v )->x ) + \
                                               ( ( v )->y * ( v )->y ) + \
                                               ( ( v )->z * ( v )->z ) ); \
                     ( v )->x /= r; \
                     ( v )->y /= r; \
                     ( v )->z /= r; \
                    }

subdivide_tri(p1,p2,p3,a)

  struct Point_struct *p1, *p2, *p3;
  int a;

  {

    struct Point_struct n1, n2, n3;
    struct Point_struct p12, p13, p23;
    double den, t;

    if (a>0) {

      p12.x = (p1->x+p2->x)/2.0;
      p12.y = (p1->y+p2->y)/2.0;
      p12.z = (p1->z+p2->z)/2.0;
      den = (p12.x*p12.x)+(p12.y*p12.y)+(p12.z*p12.z);
      den = sqrt(den);
      if (den != 0.0) {

        t = radius / den;
        p12.x *= t;
        p12.y *= t;
        p12.z *= t;

      }
      p13.x = (p1->x+p3->x)/2.0;
      p13.y = (p1->y+p3->y)/2.0;
      p13.z = (p1->z+p3->z)/2.0;
      den = (p13.x*p13.x)+(p13.y*p13.y)+(p13.z*p13.z);
      den = sqrt(den);
      if (den != 0.0) {

        t = radius / den;
        p13.x *= t;
        p13.y *= t;
        p13.z *= t;

      }
      p23.x = (p2->x+p3->x)/2.0;
      p23.y = (p2->y+p3->y)/2.0;
      p23.z = (p2->z+p3->z)/2.0;
      den = (p23.x*p23.x)+(p23.y*p23.y)+(p23.z*p23.z);
      den = sqrt(den);
      if (den != 0.0) {

        t = radius / den;
        p23.x *= t;
        p23.y *= t;
        p23.z *= t;

      }
      subdivide_tri(p1,  &p12,&p13,a-1);
      subdivide_tri(&p12, p2, &p23,a-1);
      subdivide_tri(&p13,&p23, p3, a-1);
      subdivide_tri(&p12,&p23,&p13,a-1);

    } else {

      n1.x = p1->x;
      n1.y = p1->y;
      n1.z = p1->z;
      norm_pt(&n1);
      n2.x = p2->x;
      n2.y = p2->y;
      n2.z = p2->z;
      norm_pt(&n2);
      n3.x = p3->x;
      n3.y = p3->y;
      n3.z = p3->z;
      norm_pt(&n3);

/* nothing special about this poly */

      printf( "%f %f %f  %f %f %f\n", p1->x + xorg,
                                      p1->y + yorg,
                                      p1->z + zorg,
                                      n1.x, n1.y, n1.z );
      printf( "%f %f %f  %f %f %f\n", p2->x + xorg,
                                      p2->y + yorg,
                                      p2->z + zorg,
                                      n2.x, n2.y, n2.z );
      printf( "%f %f %f  %f %f %f\n", p3->x + xorg,
                                      p3->y + yorg,
                                      p3->z + zorg,
                                      n3.x, n3.y, n3.z );

    }

    return;

  }


Yes, it's important to realize that all actions have consequences,
and that "rules" were made for our own good.  But to suggest that a
*disease* is a *punishment* for certain types of sin I think is
taking things much too far.  If we got some kind of mouth disease
for lying, would any of us have mouths left?  What if we developed
blindness every time we lusted after someone or something?  I dare
say all of us would be walking into walls.

Yes, sin can have terrible consequences, but we need to be *real*
careful when saying that the consequences are a *punishment* for
sin.  The Jews of Jesus's time believed that all sickness was the
result of a sin.  Then Jesus healed a blind man and said that man was
blind to show the glory of God, not because of sin.  If AIDS, or any
other STD is a *punishment" for sexual sin, what do we do with
diseases like cancer, or multiple sclerosis, which are just as
debilitating and terrible as AIDS, yet are not usually linked to a
specific behavior or lifestyle?

Atonement is *extremely* important, but I think you've missed the mark
about as far as you can by suggesting that AIDS is an atonement for sin.
The atonement for sin is JESUS CHRIST - period.  This is the central
message of the Gospel.  A perfect sacrifice was required for our sins,
and was made in the Lamb of God.  His sacrifice atoned for *all* of
our sins, past present and future.  God does not require pennance for
our sins, nor does he require us to come up with our own atonement.  He
has graciously already done that for us.  To suggest that AIDS or
some other consequence is an atonement for sins is literally spitting
on the sacrifice that Jesus made.

In case you couldn't tell, I get *extremely* angry and upset when
I see things like this.  Instead of rationalizing our own fears and
phobias, we need to be reaching out to people with AIDS and other
socially unacceptable diseases.  Whether they got the disease through
their own actions or not is irrelevant.  They still need Jesus Christ,
no more and no less than we do.  I've said this before, but I think
it's a good analogy.  People with AIDS are modern-day lepers.  Jesus
healed many lepers.  He can also heal people with AIDS, maybe not on
this earth, but in an ultimate sense.  My next-door neighbor has AIDS.
She has recently come to have a much deeper and more committed
relationship with God.  Her theology isn't what I would want it to be,
but God's grace covers her.  The amazing thing is that she is gaining
weight (she's had the disease for over 2 years) and her health is
excellent apart from occassional skin rashes and such.  She attributes
her improvement in her health to God's intervention in her life.  Who
are we to suggest that her disease is some kind of punishment?  It
seems to me that God is being glorified through her disease.

Paul Overstreet, the country singer, has a good song title that I
think applies to all of us - But for the Grace of God, There Go I
(or something like that).

May we all experience and accept God's grace.

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I am looking to sell my ICOM IC-02AT and extras.  I have the
following:
CM-12 Battery
HS-10 Headset
HS-10SA VOX unit
Cigarette Adapter
Leather Case
BC-25V Wall Charger
IC-BP3 Battery		Also have one that needs a new cell (i think,
its been a while)

It is in good condition, has a scratch on the front that is not
visible when in the leather case.

If you are interested, make me an offer.

--rich


I have got a dot matrix printer that came with a Lisa (I think) I wish to attach it to a PC, but have no manual. I have been told that it is some sort of C.Itoh printer in disguise. Can anyone help with manuals or info about codes to send to select fonts, italics etc. I want to write a printer driver for Protext.

Thanks in advance

Stuart


'>First off, with all these huge software packages and files that
'>they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit).

	Micropolis seems to have broken this limit.  They have IDE 560meg
   and 1050meg HD's available.
							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu


Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #010
                 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh

        +-------------------------------------------------------+
        |                                                       |
        | On the way the driver says, "In fact there aren't any |
        | Armenians left. 'They burned them all, beat them all, |
        | and stabbed them."                                    |
        |							|
        +-------------------------------------------------------+

DEPOSITION OF VANYA BAGRATOVICH BAZIAN

   Born 1940
   Foreman
   Baku Spetsmontazh Administration (UMSMR-1)

   Resident at Building 36/7, Apartment 9
   Block 14
   Sumgait [Azerbaijan]

During the first days of the events, the 27th and the 28th [of February], I
was away on a business trip. On the 10th I had got my crew, done the paper-
work, and left for the Zhdanov District. That's in Azerbaijan, near the
Nagorno Karabagh region.

After the 14th, rumors started to the effect that in Karabagh, specifically
in Stepanakert, an uprising had taken place. They said "uprising" in
Azerbaijani, but I don't think it was really an uprising, just a
demonstration. After that the unrest started. Several Armenians living in the
Zhdanov District were injured. How were they injured? They were beaten, even
women; it was said that they were at the demonstrations, but they live here,
and went from here to Karabagh to demonstrate. After that I felt uneasy. There
were some conversations about Armenians among the local population: the
Armenians had done this, the Armenians had done that. Right there at the site.
I was attacked a couple of times by kids. Well true, the guys from my crew
wouldn't let them come at me with cables and knives. After that I felt really
bad. I didn't know where to go. I up and called home. And my children tell me,
"There's unrest everywhere, be careful." Well I had a project going on. I told
the Second Secretary of the District Party Committee what had been going on
and said I wanted to take my crew off the site. They wouldn't allow it, they
said, "Nothing's going to happen to you, we've entrusted the matter to the
police, we've warned everyone in the district, nothing will happen to you."
Well, in fact they did especially detail us a policeman to look after me, he
knows all the local people and would protect me if something happened. This
man didn't leave me alone for five minutes: he was at work the whole time and
afterward he spent the night with us, too.

I sense some disquiet and call home; my wife also tells me, "The situation is
very tense, be careful."

We finished the job at the site, and I left for Sumgait first thing on the
morning of the 29th. When we left the guys warned me, they told me that I
shouldn't tell anyone on the way that I was an Armenian. I took someone else's
business travel documents, in the name of Zardali, and hid my own. I hid it
and my passport in my socks. We set out for Baku. Our guys were on the bus,
they sat behind, and I sat up front. In Baku they had come to me and said that
they had to collect all of our travel documents just in case. As it turns out
they knew what was happening in Sumgait.

I arrive at the bus station and there they tell me that the city of Sumgait is
closed, there is no way to get there. That the city is closed off and the
buses aren't running. Buses normally leave Baku for Sumgait almost every two
minutes. And suddenly--no buses. Well, we tried to get there via private
drivers. One man, an Azerbaijani, said, "Let's go find some other way to get
there." They found a light transport vehicle and arranged for the driver to
take us to Sumgait.

He took us there. But the others had said, "I wouldn't go if you gave me a
thousand rubles." "Why?" "Because they're burning the city and killing the
Armenians. There isn't an Armenian left." Well I got hold of myself so I could
still stand up. So we squared it away, the four of us got in the car, and we
set off for Sumgait. On the way the driver says, "In fact there aren't any
Armenians left. 'They burned them all, beat them all, and stabbed them." Well
I was silent. The whole way--20-odd miles--I was silent. The driver asks me,
"How old are you, old man?" He wants to know: if I'm being that quiet, not
saying anything, maybe it means I'm an Armenian. "How old are you?" he asks
me. I say, "I'm 47." "I'm 47 too, but I call you 'old man'." I say, "It
depends on God, each person's life in this world is different." I look much
older than my years, that's why he called me old man. Well after that he was
silent, too.

We're approaching the city, I look and see tanks all around, and a cordon.
Before we get to the Kavkaz store the driver starts to wave his hand. Well, he
was waving his hand, we all start waving our hands. I'm sitting there with
them, I start waving my hand, too. I realized that this was a sign that meant
there were no Armenians with us.

I look at the city--there is a crowd of people walking down the middle of the
street, you know, and there's no traffic. Well probably I was scared. They
stopped our car. People were standing on the sidewalks. They have armature
shafts, and stones . . . And they stopped us . . .

Along the way the driver tells us how they know who's an Armenian and who's
not. The Armenians usually . . . For example, I'm an Armenian, but I speak
their language very well. Well Armenians usually pronounce the Azeri word for
"nut," or "little nut," as "pundukh," but "fundukh" is actually correct. The
pronunciations are different. Anyone who says "pundukh," even if they're not
Armenian, they immediately take out and start to slash. Another one says,
"There was a car there, with five people inside it," he says. "They started
hitting the side of it with an axe and lit it on fire. And they didn't let the
people out," he says, "they wouldn't let them get out of the car." I only saw
the car, but the driver says that he saw everything. Well he often drives from
Baku to Sumgait and back . . .

When they stop us we all get out of the car. I look and there's a short guy,
his eyes are gleaming, he has an armature shaft in one hand and a stone in
the other and asks the guys what nationality they are one by one. "We're
Azerbaijani,' they tell him, 'no Armenians here." He did come up to me when
we were pulling our things out and says, "Maybe you're an Armenian, old man?"
But in Azerbaijani I say, "You should be ashamed of yourself!" And . . . he
left. Turned and left. That was all that happened. What was I to do? I had
to . . . the city was on fire, but I had to steal my children out of my own
home.

They stopped us at the entrance to Mir Street, that's where the Kavkaz store
and three large, 12-story buildings are. That's the beginning of down-town. I
saw that burned automobile there, completely burned, only metal remained. I
couldn't figure out if it was a Zhiguli or a Zaporozhets. Later I was told it
was a Zhiguli. And the people in there were completely incinerated. Nothing
remained of them, not even any traces. That driver had told me about it, and I
saw the car myself. The car was there. The skeleton, a metallic carcass. About
30 to 40 yards from the Kavkaz store.

I see a military transport, an armored personnel carrier. The hatches are
closed. And people are throwing armature shafts and pieces of iron at it, the
crowd is. And I hear shots, not automatic fire, it's true, but pistol shots.
Several shots. There were Azerbaijanis crowded around that personnel carrier.
Someone in the crowd was shooting. Apparently they either wanted to kill the
soldiers or get a machine gun or something. At that point there was only one
armored personnel carrier. And all the tanks were outside the city, cordoning
off Sumgait.

I walked on. I see two Azerbaijanis going home from the plant. I can tell by
their gait that they're not bandits, they're just people, walking home. I
joined them so in case something happened, in case someone came up to us
and asked questions, either of us would be in a position to answer, you see.
But I avoided the large groups because I'm a local and might be quickly
recognized. I tried to keep at a distance, and walked where there were fewer
people. Well so I walked into Microdistrict 2, which is across from our block.
I can't get into our block, but I walked where there were fewer people, so as
to get around. Well there I see a tall guy and 25 to 30 people are walking
behind him. And he's shouting into a megaphone: "Comrades, the Armenian-
Azerbaijani war has begun!"

The police have megaphones like that. So they're talking and walking around
the second microdistrict. I see that they're coming my way, and turn off
behind a building. I noticed that they walked around the outside buildings,
and inside the microdistricts there were about 5 or 6 people standing on every
corner, and at the middles of the buildings, and at the edges. What they were
doing I can't say, because I couldn't get up close to them, I was afraid. But
the most important thing was to get away from there, to get home, and at least
find out if my children were alive or not . . .

   April 20, 1988
   Yerevan

		     - - - reference - - -

[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,
    Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by
    Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 158-160


As a former Catholic and now as a very active Lutheran - it is some of the
"innovations" of the Mass which made me leave the Catholic Church and return
to the more traditional Catholic Chuch - the Lutherans.

I spent many years as a Lector reading the Passion parts as appropriate in
the Catholic Church and I found it very meaningful.  Our Lutheran parish just
instituted the "Tenebrae" service for Good Friday and I was the lector for
a paraphrased Passion which was exceptional.  I heard and learned things
that I have previously overlooked in the Gospels - yet those "facts" were
always there.  As a matter of interest, the pastor and I were talking about
the differences between the RC and Lutheran Church during Holy Week over
breakfast Easter Sunday.

My wife is the member of the liturgy committee in the family (called music
and worship at our church).  Our pastor does have control of this committee
but listens very carefully to the committee's suggestions.  It needs a strong
hand to lead and guide, to keep the intent and the message clear and strong
as it should be through Lent and the rest of the liturgical year.  Additional
reason for my leaving the Catholic faith - lack of any selfless spiritual
guidance by priests in my parishes.  AKA "wishy-washy".

As you may gather from my comments, I feel that it is very important, ir-
regardless of denominational guidelines, to have a service/Mass which promotes
the true reason that we are gathered there.  I am quite comfortable in a
traditional Mass, with receiving Holy Communion on the tongue, the Sacrament
of PENANCE (not Reconciliation), Stations of the Cross, so on and so forth.
The reason other types of Masses and parishes exist is because these feelings
are not shared by everyone.

I want more people to attend church and to find the Lord, but I don't want
them attending a show.  It's not.  My church works hard to have a meaningful
service during Lent on Wednesdays, but follow traditional Lutheran Book of
Worship guidelines.  Where things are changed or omitted during Lent (such
as the Hymn of Praise) it is noted so that we are aware of the reasons that it
is Not there.

Quite frankly, it is very hard for a non-Catholic to go to a Mass and "fit in".
My dear wife never could (former Methodist).  And Holy Week Masses and Vigils
would intimidate the daylights out of a non-Catholic.  Those Catholics who
have beared with me this far understand what I mean.

Please keep in mind why we are there - to gather together in worship.  Not
to worry about how something is done or not done.  If there is something
wrong that you feel needs addressing, by all means talk to your priest or
pastor.  I have only ever met one who wouldn't listen.  They are there to
provide spiritual guidance and to help.  Use them.  My differences with
the Catholic Church are much more fundamental - but my decision to change
faiths was done with prayer, intervention, and sessions with priests and
ministers.

In Christ,
Kershner
--
Kershner Wyatt
kwyatt@ccscola.ColumbiaSC.ncr.com


It's exactly as dangerous as it looks. You're hard to see and have little
protection. Keeping out of trouble means knowing your limits, keeping your
machine in good shape and being able to predict and make up for every stupid
move that drivers make out there. We deal with it because it's fun, but
staying alive takes a conscious effort.


Wow, does this mean 2 out of 5 homosexuals will be at the March
on Washington?  How *very* interesting.

cpk
--
It's been 80 days.  Do you know where your wallet is?


I agree, I reckon it's television and the increase in fundamentalism.. You
think its the increase in pre-marital sex... others thinks its because
psychologists have taken over the criminal justice system and let violent
criminals con them into letting them out into the streets... others think
it's the increase in designer drugs... others think it's a communist plot.
Basically the social interactions of all the changing factors in our society
are far too complicated for us to control. We just have to hold on to the
panic handles and hope that we are heading for a soft landing. But one
things for sure, depression and the destruction of the nuclear family is not
due solely to sex out of marriage.

Jeff.


I tried the right set and it didn't work.  I'm on the phone to their
tech support right now and the guys doesn't know what a desktop
rebuild is!!!  He's got me holding for someone else...............
And holding, and holding, and holding.


I recently upgraded to a 486 and have found out I don't really have a need
for my old 386.  I'd prefer to sell just the motherboard and keep the case
etc, so I'll offer the motherboard and case separately and let you decide.

I'm asking $325 for the motherboard, which has:
    25Mhz 386 DX (not SX)
    8 megabytes of 32-bit, 70ns memory
    AMI BIOS
    based on C&T NEAT chipset
    	(this means the motherboard and bus circuitry timings are
	programmable - the BIOS' advanced configuration menus let you
	select system, DMA, bus clock, wait states, command delays, etc.)
    "baby AT" sized - fits in mini-tower, full-sized or most any other case
(Includes User's Guide and a copy of the BIOS reference manual)

For $150 more you could have the rest of the system too:
    full-size AT case with 200(?) watt power supply
    2 serial, 1 parallel, 1 game ports
    20Mb hard disk
    1.2Mb floppy disk
    keyboard
    video card (choice of VGA or ???)

If you're interested, please give me a call.  The system is set up at my house
in Aloha, and you're welcome to come test drive it.


From: Gene Wright <gene@theporch.raider.net>

I'll say!  Imagine that there were a couple groups up there, maybe landing
a few weeks apart.  The year-mark starts coming on for the first group.
Isn't a billion pretty good incentive to take a shot at a potential
winner?  "Yeah, that's a shame that Team A's life support gave out
so close to the deadline.  Thanks for the billion."

On the other hand, if Apollo cost ~25billion, for a few days or weeks
in space, in 1970 dollars, then won't the reward have to be a lot more
than only 1 billion to get any takers?

-Tommy Mac
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk   \\ As the radius of vision increases,
18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows.


What I've been saying is that moral behavior is likely the null behavior.
That is, it doesn't take much work to be moral, but it certainly does to
be immoral (in some cases).  Also, I've said that morality is a remnant
of evolution.  Our moral system is based on concepts well practiced in
the animal kingdom.

But, this doesn't get us anywhere.  Your particular beliefs are irrelevant
unless you can share them or discuss them...


Not too hard to remember, I bought a GS1000 new in '78. :-) It was
3rd place in the '78 speed wars (behind the CBX & XS Eleven) with a
11.8 @ 113 1/4 mile, and 75 horses. That wouldn't even make a good 600
these days. Then again, I paid $2800 for it, so technology isn't the
only thing that's changed. Of course I'd still rather ride the old GS
across three states than any of the 600's.

I guess it's an indication of how much things have changed that a 12
second 400 didn't seem too far out of line.


Nathaniel Sammons (ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu) wrote on Mon, 19 Apr 1993 02:36:36 GMT:

Agreed. No agency such as the NSA (or whoever) would approve the public
release of a crypto-system, if they didn't already have the technical
means or the know-how to decrypt everything at their whim. Surely the whole
point of all this madness is to make Joe Public think that his/her
communications will be kept safe, while James Bond at the NSA can, if need
be, have full, decrypted access to someone's communications? That'll be
quite a heist, if they can pull it off.

I thought that the US Government were going to release the algorithm to a
panel of "carefully chosen experts", who would then "study it deeply, and
report their findings"? Exactly who will these people be? Academics? Or
Government-sponsored researchers? Tiny-toons?

I can only hope that the same sort of thing doesn't start filtering over
into the ears of the UK Government, and if the European Parliament gets
wind of it, well, we can kiss goodbye to any form of Democracy in Europe
at all.

Hallelujah! :-)


NY Rangers                       3 1 0--4
Washington                       0 0 0--0
First period
     1, NY Rangers, Graves 33 (Turcotte, Lowe) 9:13.
     2, NY Rangers, Gartner 44 (Messier) 11:21.
     3, NY Rangers, Olczyk 21 (Messier, Amonte) 14:57.
Second period
     4, NY Rangers, Beukeboom 2 (unassisted) 3:30.
Third period
     No scoring.

NY Rangers: 4    Power play: 4-0
Scorer            G    A   Pts
---------------  ---  ---  ---
Amonte             0    1    1
Beukeboom          1    0    1
Gartner            1    0    1
Graves             1    0    1
Lowe               0    1    1
Messier            0    2    2
Olczyk             1    0    1
Turcotte           0    1    1

Washington: 0    Power play: 3-0
No scoring

-----------------------------------------
Boston                           0 2 1--3
Buffalo                          0 0 0--0
First period
     No scoring.
Second period
     1, Boston, Leach 24 (Wesley, Oates) pp, 1:03.
     2, Boston, Oates 44 (Douris, Poulin) 9:00.
Third period
     3, Boston, Douris 4 (Bourque) sh, 0:55.

Boston: 3    Power play: 5-1   Special goals:  pp: 1  sh: 1  Total: 2
Scorer            G    A   Pts
---------------  ---  ---  ---
Bourque            0    1    1
Douris             1    1    2
Leach              1    0    1
Oates              1    1    2
Poulin             0    1    1
Wesley             0    1    1

Buffalo: 0    Power play: 6-0
No scoring

-----------------------------------------
Pittsburgh                       1 3 1--5
New Jersey                       0 1 1--2
First period
     1, Pittsburgh, Francis 23 (Lemieux, Tocchet) pp, 13:25.
Second period
     2, Pittsburgh, Murphy 21 (Francis, Mullen) sh, 0:38.
     3, Pittsburgh, Francis 24 (Tocchet, Lemieux) pp, 7:14.
     4, Pittsburgh, Jagr 33 (Tocchet, Francis) pp, 15:22.
     5, New Jersey, Zelepukin 17 (Driver, Lemieux) pp, 19:07.
Third period
     6, New Jersey, MacLean 23 (Nicholls, Stevens) 6:45.
     7, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 62 (Jagr) en, 19:51.

Pittsburgh: 5    Power play: 9-3   Special goals:  pp: 3  sh: 1  en: 1  Total: 5
Scorer            G    A   Pts
---------------  ---  ---  ---
Francis            2    2    4
Jagr               1    1    2
Lemieux            1    2    3
Mullen             0    1    1
Murphy             1    0    1
Tocchet            0    3    3

New Jersey: 2    Power play: 9-1
Scorer            G    A   Pts
---------------  ---  ---  ---
Driver             0    1    1
Lemieux            0    1    1
MacLean            1    0    1
Nicholls           0    1    1
Stevens            0    1    1
Zelepukin          1    0    1

-----------------------------------------
Toronto                          0 0 0--0
Philadelphia                     2 1 1--4
First period
     1, Philadelphia, Dineen 31 (Beranek, Hawgood) 8:10.
     2, Philadelphia, McGill 3 (Lindros, Recchi) 19:55.
Second period
     3, Philadelphia, Lindros 38 (Recchi, Galley) 7:55.
Third period
     4, Philadelphia, Dineen 32 (Hawgood, Galley) pp, 18:39.

Philadelphia: 4    Power play: 4-1
Scorer            G    A   Pts
---------------  ---  ---  ---
Beranek            0    1    1
Dineen             2    0    2
Galley             0    2    2
Hawgood            0    2    2
Lindros            1    1    2
McGill             1    0    1
Recchi             0    2    2

Toronto: 0    Power play: 6-0
No scoring

-----------------------------------------
Vancouver                        0 2 1--3
Ottawa                           0 0 0--0
First period
     No scoring.
Second period
     1, Vancouver, Plavsic 6 (Craven) 13:05.
     2, Vancouver, Momesso 17 (Nedved, Plavsic) pp, 15:52.
Third period
     3, Vancouver, Bure 57 (unassisted) 13:27.

Vancouver: 3    Power play: 4-1
Scorer            G    A   Pts
---------------  ---  ---  ---
Bure               1    0    1
Craven             0    1    1
Momesso            1    0    1
Nedved             0    1    1
Plavsic            1    1    2

Ottawa: 0    Power play: 5-0
No scoring

-----------------------------------------
St. Louis                        2 0 2--4
Chicago                          4 0 1--5
First period
     1, Chicago, Sutter 18 (Murphy, Chelios) pp, 1:08.
     2, St. Louis, Janney 20 (Shanahan, J.Brown) pp, 6:49.
     3, Chicago, Roenick 44 (Chelios, Smith) pp, 8:20.
     4, Chicago, Roenick 45 (Sutter, Chelios) pp, 13:14.
     5, Chicago, Graham 19 (Gilbert, Ruuttu) 13:42.
     6, St. Louis, Janney 21 (Shanahan, Crossman) 19:38.
Second period
     No scoring.
Third period
     7, Chicago, Murphy 5 (Chelios, Belfour) 0:20.
     8, St. Louis, Miller 21 (Hull, Janney) pp, 7:04.
     9, St. Louis, Janney 22 (Miller, Shanahan) 19:32.

Chicago: 5    Power play: 8-3
Scorer            G    A   Pts
---------------  ---  ---  ---
Belfour            0    1    1
Chelios            0    4    4
Gilbert            0    1    1
Graham             1    0    1
Murphy             1    1    2
Roenick            2    0    2
Ruuttu             0    1    1
Smith              0    1    1
Sutter             1    1    2

St. Louis: 4    Power play: 4-2
Scorer            G    A   Pts
---------------  ---  ---  ---
Brown J            0    1    1
Crossman           0    1    1
Hull               0    1    1
Janney             3    1    4
Miller             1    1    2
Shanahan           0    3    3

-----------------------------------------
Calgary                          1 2 1--4
San Jose                         1 0 2--3
First period
     1, Calgary, Otto 19 (Yawney, Ashton) pp, 5:29.
     2, San Jose, Odgers 10 (Pederson, Wilkinson) 18:33.
Second period
     3, Calgary, Nieuwendyk 34 (Johansson, Reese) 2:03.
     4, Calgary, Reichel 35 (Skrudland, Berube) 12:22.
Third period
     5, Calgary, Ashton 7 (Otto, Fleury) 1:30.
     6, San Jose, Pederson 9 (Odgers, Evason) 2:24.
     7, San Jose, Odgers 11 (Gaudreau, Evason) pp, 19:30.

Calgary: 4    Power play: 5-1
Scorer            G    A   Pts
---------------  ---  ---  ---
Ashton             1    1    2
Berube             0    1    1
Fleury             0    1    1
Johansson          0    1    1
Nieuwendyk         1    0    1
Otto               1    1    2
Reese              0    1    1
Reichel            1    0    1
Skrudland          0    1    1
Yawney             0    1    1

San Jose: 3    Power play: 5-1
Scorer            G    A   Pts
---------------  ---  ---  ---
Evason             0    2    2
Gaudreau           0    1    1
Odgers             2    1    3
Pederson           1    1    2
Wilkinson          0    1    1


Sorry, Bryan, this is not quite correct. Remember the VGALIB package that comes
with Linux/SLS? It will switch to VGA 320x200x256 mode *without* Xwindows.
So at least it is *possible* to write a GIF viewer under Linux. However I don't
think that there exists a similar SVGA package, and viewing GIFs in 320x200 is
not very nice.

Best Regards,

Arno

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As to how many clients may be display on a server, I believe the limit
would be how much memory is available to your server or allocated by the
server.


I'd be willing to make two wagers:
1) Snow doesn't win ROY.
2) Mattingly is out of baseball within five years.

I'm skeptical of the first, because I don't think Snow is that good a
player, and he is on a losing team.

I'm skeptical of the second because of his back.  Mattingly is 32 this
year, and how many players play until they are 40?  Not too many, and
most of them didn't have chronic back problems when they were 32.

Could be wrong on either or both, but I think that's the smart way to
bet...


I did hear this question asked during a radio news update of the case.  (They
were talking about the ongoing trial and had some audio clips).  Immediately
after the defense attorney asked the question, there was an "Objection!" heard
in the background.  The clip ended at that point so I don't know if the
objection was upheld.  I can't imagine NC is *that* bad.

This I didn't hear as an audio clip but heard it reported a number of times on
news stories both during and after the trial.  Now the "we did it on purpose"
thing is stretching, I think it was something more like--he had it coming.  If
somebody else remebers better than I on this second point, feel free to
clarify.

Frank

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Frank R. Chloupek
CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Department of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University
(Not just any Ohio State University)


I am looking for one of those color LCD screens you
place on an overhead projector and control the presentation
with a Mac.

Can you recommend me a particular brand?
What price are we talking about?

Thanks,


: write over the "Licensed to:", but you can't change the name underneth it.  I
: think if you wish to change this you would have to be a pirate, and we're not
: going to promote that here.
:

Not so! My computer was supplied with my name in an 'interesting'
mix of upper and lower case, and my workplace mis-typed. I'm
getting fed up with being 'CMyearslEY' at 'KEEL UNVERSITY'!
It took me 20 (!) phone calls to the supplier to get the computer
working at all. I really can't face tackling them again....


/(me)

/(hudson)
/Why does that make something immoral?

Because you are not being consistent.  Moral systems must be consistent.

A person who thinks they can inflict pain on others, but doesn't want it
inflicted upon themselves, has a double standard.  And double standards are
a violation of *any* moral system.

(me)

/(hudson)
/Of course we don't like pain.  I don't like brussel sprouts.  Are brussel
/sprouts immoral?

Pain isn't immoral, stupid.  Pain itself is just a physiological
reaction.

What >>is<< immoral is subjecting unwilling individuals to pain.

Or brussel sprouts, for that matter.

(hudson)
(me)

/(hudson)
/Why would it be wrong to make humans undergo the effects of the reactions
/if humans are composed only of matter?

What humans are composed of isn't the qualifying criteria of whether or
not something would be wrong.

/(hudson)
/Is it wrong to make matter undergo chemical reactions?

Yes, if it is sentient matter.

/(me)
/>Nature is not a sentient force; there is no choice involved.  Therefore,
/>no question of morality.

/(hudson)
/I actually heard a geologist entertain the notion that matter had a will.
/There is some sentient force out there.

Fine.  I have also heard that the government is encoding the DNA for
a new race of superhumans in ordinary drinking water.

What's your point?

/(hudson)
/If humans are made only of matter, then choices are also chemical reactions,
/so why is choice an important issue.

And if that is the case, then god is only an idea contained in the minds
of people (formed of matter) and on printed pages (also formed of matter)
and does not really exist.


   "A handful of anti-gun zealots are telling the public that their
right to self-defense is of less importance than the interests of
Handgun Control, Inc.  This action comes as local, state and federal law
enforcement officials continue their assault on the Branch Davidian
compound--an assault which has already resulted in the death of one
two year old child at the hands of federal agents.  This has highlighted
the need for citizens to be able to defend themselves and their children
against the excesses of their own government."

  "Any suggestion by opponents that this bill will increase crime is a
distortion of the facts, at best.  The aggressive outreach by officials
in central Florida to train and arm women has led to a dramatic drop in
the level of assault and rape in that area.  Of course, this program is
a rare gem, as many law enforcement officials apparently believe that an
unarmed citizenry will be easier to control, and thus favor tighter
restrictions."

   "The vote today is a tribute to the good sense of the public at large
who are putting their lives on the line every day as they go about their
lawful affairs.  The entire country knows how vulnerable the average
citizen is, both to attacks from criminals and from armed assault by our
own police.  Texas lawmakers who voted for this concealed handgun bill have
shown total understanding for those innocent, law-abiding citizens on the
front lines, and the families of those who have fallen."

   "I urge the House of Representatives to pay attention to the needs
of their constituents, and not be stampeded by ill-conceived arguments
from ideological fanatics."

Ain't propaganda fun?


Yeah, I loved the vent windows on my 82 Escort (hell, the only thing I liked
about the car).  One of the things I'd like to see brought back.  Does
anyone know if they're an option on the new Escorts?


It also falls within the purview of the ACLU, but that doesn't mean
the ACLU (or the EFF) would be the most effective instrument to
"win the hearts and minds" in favor of access to cryptography.

It's precisely slogans like "cryptography makes censorship impossible"
which stand to torpedo any attempt to generate a broad consensus in favor
of encryption.  It is not true, and in the context of a public debate it
would be a dangerous red herring.  Advocates of strong crypto had better
prepare themselves to answer such charges in pragmatic terms that laypeople
and politicians can sympathize with. The usual mumblings about
Constitutional amendments are not enough.


I'm searching for a phonetic TrueType font for Windows 3.1. If
anybody knows one, please mail me!

Thanks.

dw


  [snip]

Honest, it just ended like that, I swear!

Hmmmm...I recognize the warning signs...alternating polite and
rude...coming into newsgroup with huge chip on shoulder...calls
people names and then makes nice...whirrr...click...whirrr

"Clam" Bake Timmons = Bill "Shit Stirrer Connor"

Q.E.D.

Whirr click whirr...Frank O'Dwyer might also be contained
in that shell...pop stack to determine...whirr...click..whirr

"Killfile" Keith Allen Schneider = Frank "Closet Theist" O'Dwyer =

the mind reels.  Maybe they're all Bobby Mozumder.

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Maddi Hausmann                       madhaus@netcom.com
Centigram Communications Corp        San Jose California  408/428-3553


I want to get a car alarm and I am thinking about getting an Ungo Box.
    Does anyone out there have any knowledge or experience with any of
    these alarms?  How about price ranges for the different models?
    Are these good car alarms?  Please email me any responces.

                cak3@ns3.lehigh.edu


WRONG:  I don't think even PKP claims this one.  It is not unlawful to
distribute code implementing RSA.  It appears to be unlawful to use it, so
I agree with your last sentence.

Yes, that's correct.


sure sounds like they got a ringer.  the 325is i drove was definitely
faster than that.  if you want to quote numbers, my AW AutoFile shows
0-60 in 7.4, 1/4 mile in 15.9.  it quotes Car and Driver's figures
of 6.9 and 15.3.  oh, BTW, these numbers are for the 325i.

i don't know how the addition of variable valve timing for 1993 affects it.
but don't take my word for it.  go drive it.


I have been looking for a book that specifically addresses
the mystery of God in the paradox.  I have read some that touch
on the subject in a chapter but would like a more detailed read.

Is anyone aware of any books that deal with this subject.

Please e-mail me.  Thanks.


)Do you know what frequencies chanels 17 to 19 use and what is usually
)allocated to those frequencies for broadcast outside of cable?

17 is air comm.
18 is amateur
19 is business and public service


Hello Neo-Geo owners (and non-owners who couldn't resist the title;)),

I was wondering if any of you out there want to trade or sell games.  I
mean, buying them from the stores can get kinda expensive.  $184.99 is
a little too much to be spending on each game.  But ahh, the quality...
Now I can get them for about $100, but that's still a lot.

Right now, I have:

Crossed Swords
Magician Lord
Baseball Stars 2
Fatal Fury
Nam-1975

I am interested in buying more titles.  If any of you have any interesting
trade ideas, please let me know.

Thanks


Don't worry about leaks.  Don't worry about which way to turn the damn thing.
Take a good claw hammer and pry it straight out.  Now, you'll notice, after
all the oil pours out, that there are no theads where there used to be.


Take a look over in alt.folklore.urban.  There is a thread about subliminal
messages on TV.  The fact that subliminal messages don't work aside, an image
can't be flashed on a TV screen fast enough to not be noticed.
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G'day All,

I was looking to build a Parallel Port Digital to Analogue Converter the other
day and came across this schematic which I promptly threw together on a piece
of VeroBoard:

     P2----22k----+
     P3----48k----|
     P4----100k---|
     P5----200k---|
     P6----400k---|
     P7----800k---|    10uf electrolytic
     P8----1M6----|  +
     P9----3M2----+---||--+----------
                          |            +
            47nF ceramic  -
                          -
                          |            -
     P25------------------+----------

(Please excuse the obvious limits of the Lower ASCII char set :=)

I have it all constructed here and sitting inside a nice little grey ABS box.

Unfortunately I can't get it to work... I have a little demo here by the name
of Cronologia (Which the schematic came from) and all I can get it to pump
out of the box is data type hash/static with a small amount of music signal
behind it - it's even worse than the speaker inside the machine.

Does anybody out in net.colourful.computer.world have any ideas/suggestions/
better designs/improvements/wastepaper bin... etc?

Many thanks for a reply via this conference or email.

  //
\X/  Regards, Jason.
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A while ago I installed SPSS for Windows as part of an evaluation. Once
the evaluation was complete I duly deleted the software from my PC.

Unfortunately there is still a "ghost" of SPSS left: when I run
something like "Write" and go to embed an object then "SPSS Chart"
appears on the list of objects I'm offered. I looked around all
the obvious "INI" files without success. The next thing I tried
was looking for the string "SPSS Chart" in every file in the
Windows directory. It turned up in a file called REQ.DAT (or
REG.DAT). Unfortunately the file was binary and so I didn't feel
inclined to edit it.

I'd welcome a solution for removing SPSS from the list of OLE servers.