As of today I will no longer be a contact for Zeos International on the net.
This responsibility has been taken over by another tech (davidm@zeos.com) and I
am moving up and on (mo money, mo money :)).  I just wanted to thank all of the
netters who have supported and encouraged the participation of Zeos on the net.
I personally feel it is important for companies such as Zeos to provide their
customers with as easy access as possible when they have questions/problems and
being on the net is an big step in the right direction.  I hope that other
companies will follow suit (as Weitek and others have done). Again, thanks.

---JRE---


Hmmmm....  The prefix "peri-" is Greek, not Latin, so it's usually used
with the Greek form of the name of the body being orbited.  (That's why
it's "perihelion" rather than "perisol", "perigee" rather than "periterr",
and "pericynthion" rather than "perilune".)  So for Jupiter I'd expect it
to be something like "perizeon".)   :^)


How about those toneau covers? I've been thinking of building one
from chipboard for roadtrips. Any comment on how they affect
mileage in highway travel?

Charles


: The PADS*.ZIP files contain subdirectories, and have to be unzipped
: via "pkunzip -d". Then an xcopy /s to three floppies creates the disks
: needed to do the install.

I'm still not sure how this is supposed to work, since the .ZIP files
took up about 2.5Mb, so it must be a tight squeeze on those floppies...

However, I managed to install PADS and I'm pretty impressed.  I created
a couple of schematics without problem, but whenever I try to
create a PCB layout from one of *my* circuits (rather than the demos)
it doesn't work.  I'm wondering if maybe a file isn't where it should
be...

Can anyone who has a printed manual comment on whether the registration
fee is worth paying?

Chris


I sometimes see OTC preparations for muscle aches/back aches that
combine aspirin with a diuretic. The idea seems to be to reduce
inflammation by getting rid of fluid. Does this actually work?


Kevin Mitchell's sacrifice fly in the eighth off Brett Saberhagen plated
pitch runner Cesar Hernandez to give the Reds a 2-3 come-from-behind victory over
New York. Hernandez ran for pinch-hitter Cecil Espy, who got the inning started
with a solid single to right, moved to second on "Bob" Kelly's infield sneaker
down the third-base line, and to third on Jeff Branson's well-placed bunt--a
rare show of excellent execution by the recently hapless Reds offense.

Cincinnati trailed 2-0 after starter Tim Pugh blinked in the fifth.  He had only
given up one hit in the first four innings, a fourth-inning lead-off double
by Vince Coleman.  Coleman was left stranded at third by Bobby Bonilla after
Joe Orselak popped to short.  Orselak was pinch-hitting for Eddie Murray who
argued plate umpire Kellogg's inside strike by "drawing the line" (really, he
should know better than that).  Murray, and later manager Jeff Torborg ended up getting
tossed.

The Mets' fifth started with a Howard Johnson's first-pitch homer.  Pugh must
have been slightly shaken, as he was popped on the next pitch by Jeff Kent's
single, then a Ryan Thompson liner to left was (surprise) misplayed by Mitchell
and turned into a RBI triple. Catcher Hundley's grounder to the drawn-in Branson
failed to bring Thompson in, then the play of the game occured:

Saberhagen was due up, so Reds pitching coach Larry Rothschild met with the infield
to discuss the possibility of a suicide squeeze.  They called it perfectly:
Thompson was hung out to dry after Pugh's first-pitch pitch out and the threat ended.
(Isn't the NATIONAL LEAGUE great??)

The Reds picked up 2 runs in the seventh to knot up the game.  After Barry Larkin's
ground out, Mitchell, Chris Sabo, and Randy Milligan got back-to-back-to-back
singles--the third scoring Mitchell.  Reggie Sanders then plated Sabo with a long
fly to center.  A double by Oliver might have scored runner Dan Wilson, but
third base coach Dave Bristol threw up the stop sign too late--Wilson himself was
hung out to dry killing the Reds rally.

Rob Dibble came on in the ninth and pitched shakily.  With two outs and a runner
on second Bonilla came to the plate and all I could think of was the Sunday game
in late August last year when Bonilla's three-run dinger slapped a loss on
Dibble and spelled the beginning of the end for Cinci's season.  Bonilla ended
up walking, and HoJo flied out to left to give the Reds their first win in a
week, and earned Dibble his third save in as many opportunities.  The win went
to Steve Foster (1-2) who got in what must be an ego-boosting two perfect innings
work, striking out three.  Saberhagen (2-1) got the loss--though I'm a bit
surprised he even pitched in the eighth.  I'll take it, though.

The Reds are now 3-9, still the worst team in baseball with the Royals victory
today.  The Mets are 6-5.

The Line:

New York Mets

			AB	R	H		K	BB	LO
-----------------------------------------------|----------------------------
Coleman lf		4	0	1		0	0	0
Fernandez ss		4	0	0		1	0	0
Murray 1b		1	0	0		0	0	0
  Orselak ph/rf		3	0	1		0	0	0
Bonilla rf/1b		3	0	0		2	1	1
Johnson 3b		3	1	1		1	0	2
Kent 2b			3	1	1		1	0	0
Thompson cf		3	0	1		1	0	0
Hundley c		3	0	0		2	0	0
Saberhagen p		3	0	0		0	0	0
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Totals			30	2	5		8	1	3

HR-Johnson (off Pugh, leading off fifth, 0-0 pitch)
3b-Thompson (off Pugh, in fifth, 0 out, 1 RBI, picked-off)
2b-Coleman (off Pugh, in fourth, 0 out, 0 on, stranded at third)
RBI-Johnson, Thompson

Cincinnati Reds

			AB	R	H		K	BB	LO
-----------------------------------------------|----------------------------
Kelly cf		4	0	1		0	0	0
Branson 2b		3	0	1		0	0	0
Larkin ss		3	0	0		0	1	0
Mitchell lf		3	1	1		0	0	0
  Dibble p		0	0	0		0	0	0
Sabo 3b			4	1	1		1	0	2
Milligan 1b		3	0	3		0	0	0
  Wilson pr/c		0	0	0		0	0	0
Sanders rf		2	0	0		0	0	1
Oliver c/1b		3	0	1		1	0	1
Pugh p			1	0	0		1	0	0
  Roberts ph		1	0	0		1	0	0
  Foster p		0	0	0		0	0	0
  Espy ph 		1	0	1		0	0	0
  Hernandez pr/lf	0	1	0		0	0	0
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Totals			28	3	9		4	1	5 (*)

(*) Oliver was stranded in the seventh after his double when Wilson was run down.

2b Oliver (off Saberhagen, 2 out, runner on first, stranded)
RBI-Milligan, Sanders, and Mitchell
Sac-Branson
SF-Sanders and Mitchell
IBB-Larkin
GDP-Larkin

New York	0  0  0    0  2  0    0  0  0    ---- 2-5-0
Cincinnati	0  0  0    0  0  0    2  1  x    ---- 3-9-0

Pitching

			IP	R	ER	H	K	BB
NEW YORK
Saberhagen (L 2-1)	8	3	3	9	4	1

CINCINNATI
Pugh			6	2	2	4	4	0
Foster (W 1-2)		2	0	0	0	3	0
Dibble (S 3)		1	0	0	1	1	1

PB- Wilson
Ejected-Murray, Torborg

Umps-Kellogg/Relliford/Runge/DeMuth

Attendance 32,435
T- 2:23

Coming up:
The Reds travel to Pittsburgh for three then continue on into Chicago for
three.  Next game is Tuesday at 7:35, expected to pitch are Belcher (0-1)
vs. Tomlin (0-0).


[..]
Referring to the manual of my motherboard with AMI-BIOS, 10 beeps are a
'CMOS Shutdown Register Read/Write Error', if the system stops after these
beeps. If the system continues, it is a 'Keyboard error'.

Michael


No.  That these drugs happen to be useful as antidepressants is neither
here nor there.


Well what do you expect...Burns was playing him with Krushelnyski
and Baumgartner...Anderson is a finisher...unless you play him with
someone to can get him the puck in a finishing position...he ain't
going to do much scoring!


Apple IIgs
Imagewriter II COLOR printer
Color RGB monitor
3.5" DRIVE
5.25" drive
keyboard
Mouse
lots of disks
some applications
most manuals


The federal civil rights trial against the four LA police
officers accused of violating Rodney King's civil rights is
now history:

  Lawrence Powell:	guilty
  Stacey Coons:		guilty
  Theodore Brazenio:	innocent
  Timothy Wind:		innocent

  Sentencing slated for mid August, appeals expected.

  So far, all is calm in LA...
--


I would be concerned about how the car was driven and how well it was
maintained.  I own a turbocharged one, and I would never buy a
turbocharged vehicle unless I knew the owner and his/her
driving/maintenance habits.

I have been wondering about that myself.  The '90 AWD models and the
'91s were identical (except for the ABS option).

Yes.  Some owners had problems with the transaxles.  Using
synthetic lubricants in the transaxles solved the problem in most
cases.  The problem was not unique to the AWDs, however.  It was
common to all models.  The Galant VR4 and GSX had the same transaxle,
but I didn't see those listed in CR.

I don't know of any major complaints in this area, except that the
battery that was installed at the factory had a low current rating.

The first FWD models (those built before May 1989) were recalled for
brake upgrades.  Some FWD and AWD owners had problems with warped
rotors.  Those of us who insist on using manual torque wrenches every
time the lug nuts are tightened have never had a problem.

I can refer you to someone who has gone through a set of pads in one
day!  It all depends on how you drive.  It seems that most owners have
been getting between 40-70k on a set of pads.

First time I hear about a problem with the valve train on these cars,
other than timing belt failures.

If your friend "beats" on the car, then his unit is not a
representative sample of the car's reliability.

My suggestion is instead of listening to the useless Consumer Reports,
talk to several owners (the mailing list may be the best way to reach
a few of them).

#if (humor_impaired) skip_to TheEnd
No matter how much you pay, you won't get all three.  Examples:

NSX:       reliability and looks.
Ferrari:   reliability ^H^H^H^H^H^H (yeah, right!) speed and looks

TheEnd
--
The opinions stated above are not necessarily my employer's.


1) This is NOT a feature of the Window Manager but of xterm.
2) This sequences are NOT ANSI compatible, are they ?
   Does anyone know IF there are compatible sequences for this and what they
   are ? I would think they are DCS (device control sequence) introduced,
   but may be a CSI sequence exists, too ?
   This MUST work on a dxterm (VT and ANSI compatible), it may not work
   on xterms.


Two things:

	1. Read your own posts. I was agreeing with Bob. No correction
	   needed.

	2. Don't quote stuff out of context.

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   ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******


not only is it improper etiquette AND illegal but the people who
are responsible for junk mailings are *EVIL*!!!!


currently I am using the 8051 microcontroller with external eprom..

In order to drive the dc motor (with direction) I use the Pulse width modultion

thru software control(Assembly language programming). However I am afraid that

they will be overheads and thus alter the pulse timing. My question is

is the software pwm control reliable?. I understand that port 0 is a latch

and so I vary the duty cycle by setting it high first and at the desire


[ ACT 5:40 - 41 ]

...
...

The basic problem with your argument is your total and complete reliance on
the biblical text.  Luke's account is highly suspect (I would refer you to
the hermeneia commentary on Acts).  Moreover Luke's account is written at
least 90 years after the fact.  In the meantime everyone he mentions has died
and attempts to find actual written sources behind the text have come up
with only the we section of the later portion of acts as firmly established.
Moreover, Pauls account of some of the events in Acts (as recorded in
Galatians) fail to establish the acts accounts.

What we need, therefore, is a reliable text, critically appreciated, which
documents the death of Christians for belief in the Resurrection.  I would
suggest you look at some greek and roman historians.  I think you will be
disapointed.


I tend to agree that players are not hurt by early play in the big leagues.
The BRaves organization is a fertile ground to test this hypothesis, as they
had little talent on their roster for some time.  Steve Avery, for example,
was rushed to the majors, and he fared very poorly during his initial campaign.
His subsequent pitching has not been affected by his 5+ ERA during his rookie
year.  Bill James pointed out that it was relatively unusual to struggle so
and then rebound.

Bob Horner was also rushed to the majors (out of Arizona State directly) had
good numbers immediately.

I am not certain of the ages of people like Pete Smith, Craig McMurty, and
Derek Lilliquist.  The Braves pitching staffs were so bad when they came up
that they might have been rushed.  Lilliquist and Smith struggled, but it
didn't hurt PS and DL may have been overhyped.  I seem to recall CM pitching
well initially, though I don't have stats handy.


THE WHITE HOUSE

                  Office of the Press Secretary
                    (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
______________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release                         April 17, 1993

                    INTERVIEW OF THE PRESIDENT
                      BY MICHAEL WHITELY OF
                    KDKA-AM RADIO, PITTSBURGH

                 Pittsburgh International Airport
                     Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

10:40 A.M. EDT

	     Q	  For everyone listening on KDKA Radio, I'm Mike
Whitely, KDKA Radio News.  We're here at the Pittsburgh
International Airport and with me is the President of the United
States Bill Clinton.

	     And I'd like to welcome you to the area and to KDKA.

	     THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you, Mike.  Glad to be here.

	     Q	  There are a lot of things we'd like to talk
about in the brief amount of time we have, but some news is just
breaking from Los Angeles.  I guess the entire country has been
kind of holding their breath, wondering what's going to happen in
the trial of the four Los Angeles police officers.  We just heard
that two of those officers, the sergeant, Sergeant Koon and
Officer Powell have been found guilty, and two officers have been
found not guilty.

	     It's a situation that's been building for over a
year since the first trial and now this trial and this verdict.
And I wonder what your thoughts are this morning on how you see
the situation in Los Angeles in connection with your
administration and what you're trying to do.

	     THE PRESIDENT:  Well, first of all, I think the
American people should know that this trial, in my judgment, is a
tribute to the work and judgment of the jury, as well as to the
efforts of the federal government in developing the case.

	     The law under which the officers were tried is a
complex one; the standards of proof are complicated.  The jury
decided that they would convict the sergeant who was responsible
for supervising the officers and the officer who on the film did
most of the beating.  The jury acquitted an officer who kicked
Rodney King, but also plainly tried to shield him from some
blows, and another officer who was a rookie.

	     No one knows exactly why they did what they did, but
it appears that they really tried to do justice here.  They
acknowledged that his civil rights were violated.  And I think
that the American people should take a lot of pride in that.  But
I hope now we can begin to look ahead and focus on three things:
first of all, the importance of trying to bring this country
together and not violate the civil rights of any American;
secondly, the importance of renewing our fight against crime.

	     I think it's important to recognize that in the
poorest areas of Los Angeles and many other cities in this
country, people may be worried about police abuse, but they're
even more worried about crime.  It's time that we renewed our
efforts to go to community policing -- put 100,000 more police
officers on the street; pass the Brady Bill that would require a
waiting period before people could buy a handgun, and do some
other things to reduce the vulnerability of our people to
violence and drugs.

	     And the last point I'd like to make is it seems to
me that we have got to rededicate ourselves to the economic
revitalization of our cities and other economically-distressed
areas.  If you just think about it -- if everybody in Los Angeles
who wanted a job had one, I don't think we'd have quite as many
problems as we do.

	     And I laid out a very ambitious program in the
campaign to try to bring private investment and public investment
to bear in our cities.  I have dispatched the Commerce Secretary,
Ron Brown, to California to try to come up with some strategies
for that state, because it's our biggest state with our highest
unemployment rate -- which could then be applied around the
country.  I want to talk to him and to the Attorney General, to
the new head of the NAACP, to Reverend Jackson, and to several
other people, and then I'll decide where to go from here with
regard to Los Angeles and the other cities of the country.

	     Q	  Let's talk about what brings you to the
Pittsburgh area today.  There have been -- I guess there's been a
lot of discussion on Capitol Hill about your stimulus package.
You've been locked in a battle with the GOP.  Yesterday, as you
said earlier in your radio address, you made some moves to break
that gridlock.  What brings you to Pittsburgh, in particular to
Allegheny County, in particular to Pennsylvania, with that
battle?

	     THE PRESIDENT:  Well, there are two reasons.  First
of all, Pittsburgh, Allegheny County and Pennsylvania supported
me in the last election because they wanted a new direction in
economic policy.  We have passed our overall economic plan; it
gives the country a very different budget for the next five years
than we've had in the previous 12.  We reduced the deficit and,
at the same time, increased investment in jobs and education and
health care, in the things that will make us a stronger country.

	     But in addition to that, I asked the Congress in the
short run to spend a little more money, a modest amount of money
to create another half-million jobs in the next year and a half;
to try to cut the unemployment rate by a half a percent; but also
to try to spark job creation in the private sector more.  The
plan passed the House.  It has the support of a majority of the
Senate.  At the present time, all the Republican   senators as a
bloc are filibustering the bill.  That is, they won't let it come
to a vote.

	     I believe that Senator Specter would like to vote
for the bill.  And I believe that Senator Dole, the Republican
leader, has put a lot of pressure on a lot of the Republicans to
stay hitched.  And they're all saying that this bill increases
the deficit.  It doesn't.  This bill is well below the spending
targets that Congress approved, including the Republicans, for
this year.  This bill is paid for by budget cuts in the next five
years.  This bill is designed to give a jump-start to the
economy.  And I must say, a lot of the Republican senators that
are holding it up, when Mr. Bush was President, voted for
billions of dollars of emergency spending of just this kind --
much of it was totally unrelated to creating jobs.

	     So what I'm trying to do is to break this logjam.
I've held out an olive branch, I've offered a compromise.  But I
think that we ought to try to put some more Americans to work
right now to show that we're changing the direction of the
country.  And that's the purpose of the bill.

	     Q	  Have you been in touch with Senator Specter or
his office lately?

	     THE PRESIDENT:  Well, we've been trying to talk
regularly to -- through my White House Congressional Liaison
operation to the senators that we think are open to this --
Senator Specter, Senator D'Amato from New York, Senator Jeffords
from Vermont, Senator Hatfield from Oregon, and five or six
others whom we believe know we need more jobs in this economy and
know that we are paying for this with budget cuts over the life
of the budget I presented.

	     You know, it has a lot of appeal to say, well, we've
got a big deficit, we shouldn't increase it more.  But the truth
is that we are paying for this with budget cuts in the whole life
of the budget over the next few years.  And more importantly, we
have this program well below the spending targets that Congress
has already approved for this year.  And they've done this for
years, with the Republicans voting for it -- many Republicans
voting for it -- for things that weren't nearly as important as
putting the American people back to work.

	     So I just hope that this doesn't become a political
issue.  It ought to just be about the people of this country and
the need for jobs.

	     Q	  I have some questions from people who supported
you, and some people who are skeptical about your administration.
It has to do with their hopes, and also with their fears.  A lot
of people who supported you and voted for you in Pennsylvania --I
think some of them are now saying, we're glad we got him in the
White House, but now look at this incredible process he has to go
through.  Look at these problems.  Look at this gridlock.  And
they're beginning to wonder, is this going to work; can you pull
it off?  And, of course, your skeptics are saying, well, I knew
it was going to be like this.

	     THE PRESIDENT:  Well, what I would -- I'd ask
people, first of all, to remember that we are, frankly, moving
very fast.  The budget resolution that the Congress passed is the
fastest they have ever passed a budget resolution -- ever -- in
history, setting out the next five-year budget targets.  So we
are moving really rapidly.  And we've got them working on
political reform, welfare reform, health care reform, a whole
wide range of things.

	     But it's a big operation.  You can't expect to turn
it around overnight.  It took 12 years to produce the conditions
which led to the victory I received from the people in November,
and we can't turn it around in 90 days.  But I think we're making
real, real progress.

	     I would urge the people not to get discouraged.
We're not going to win every battle, and not everything is going
to happen overnight.  But we are definitely moving and changing
things.

	     Q	  Thank you very much.

	     The President of the United States, Bill Clinton,
here live at Pittsburgh International Airport.  I'm Mike Whitely,
KDKA News.


well people, I can only recomend the non-flat-screen, no-hype,
no-nonsense NEC 3DS that I have, and PLUS, it has the ADVANTAGE of
NOT having one of those new flat screen tubes which are oversensitive
and fragile and break often!
this is a 15'' heavy-duty rugged set for those who insist on well-proven
reliable technologies!


Could anyone direct me to the FTP site where I can find the DOS-based
morphing package called DMORF12.ZIP?  I had downloaded this file last week,
but the new DOS 6 crashed my hard drive and I lost it. Now I can't find the
site where I got it from.......

Also, are there any other morphing packages out for DOS (freeware or shareware)

Thanks in advance,
Barry

/---------------------------------------------------------------------------\
\___________________________________________________________________________/
--


Hrm. Sandy Alomar, 24 year old rookie: 132 games, .290/.326/.418. Threw
out a few baserunners. Benito Santiago, 22 year old rookie: 146 games,
.300/.324/.467. He threw out a few baserunners, too. Ivan Rodriguez,
*20* year old rookies: 88 games, .264/.276/.354. Didn't exactly suck
behind the plate.

True. Which only makes it more important to realize when you have one of the
few. Lopez' season last year, adjusted to major league equivalencies, was
.306/.330/.472, 15 HRs. How bad does he have to be behind the plate for that
to not be better than Olson's .238/.316/.328?

 Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com


Well, first you work out how much cold gas you need, then make the
tanks big enough.

Working out how much cold gas is another problem, depending on
vehicle configuration, flight duration, thruster Isp (which couples
into storage pressure, which may be a factor in selecting tank
wall thickness etc.)


Didn't McDonald's sell copies of "Dances with Wovies" for $7 not too
long ago?

They were also selling "Babes in Toyland" (the SCOTT BAIO version!)
and something even more forgettable.

Just think:  video drive-thru........

"I'll take a McRib, a McChicken, and a copy of Debbie Does McDallas
to go"

"Do you want fries and napkins with that?"


I need help on 4 components:

BAT85 diode
-----------
I know Digi-key or Newark sells them, but the minimum order is 25!
Does anyone know where I can get smaller orders of this diode, or
an equivalent replacement?

BC546B transistor
-----------------
Ditto for this transistor.

74HC239 chip
------------
Digi-key, Newark and Mouser do not appear to carry ths chip - does anyone
know what this does and where I can obtain it?

YM3623B chip
------------
This Yamaha chip decodes S/PDIF data (from CD or DAT). Where can I obtain
one of these?


Played in Scandinavium, Gothenburg, April 15 1993:
 ==================================================

 SWEDEN - FINLAND  6-6 (1-2,3-1,2-3)

 1st: SWE 1-0 Peter Popovic      (Markus Naslund)                     6:10
      FIN 1-1 Ville Siren        (Keijo Sailynoja)                    8:44 (pp)
      FIN 1-2 Juha Riihijarvi    (Timo Saarikoski,Vesa Viitakoski)   13:12 (pp)
 2nd: FIN 1-3 Jari Korpisalo     (Kari Harila,Rauli Raitanen)         6:48
      SWE 2-3 Jan Larsson        (Mikael Renberg,Stefan Nilsson)      7:25
      SWE 3-3 Hakan Ahlund       (Thomas Rundqvist)                   8:56
      SWE 4-3 Roger Akerstrom    (Roger Hansson)                      9:13
 3rd: SWE 5-3 Stefan Nilsson     (Patrik Juhlin,Charles Berglund)     2:20
      FIN 5-4 Keijo Sailynoja                                         9:23
      FIN 5-5 Keijo Sailynoja                                         9:44 (ps)
      SWE 6-5 Mikael Renberg     (Hakan Ahlund,Thomas Rundqvist)     17:16
      FIN 6-6 Jari Korpisalo                                         17:44

             Shots on goal:      Penalties:     Attendance:    Referee:
 Sweden       8 10 10 - 28       5*2min         6,799          Peter Andersson
 Finland     12 10 11 - 33       6*2min,1*10min                (Sweden)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Sweden opened the scoring as Markus Naslund made a drop pass at the Finnish
 blue line, Popovic picked it up and advanced towards the Finnish goal and
 shot a nice hard wrist shot in Ketterer's top corner. Ville Siren's slap
 shot from the blue line on power play made it 1-1, and Juha Riihijarvi
 scored a nice goal in another power play when he close in front of goal
 put the puck high over Aslin, 1-2 after the first period.
 The Finns started the second period with really good pressure. Korpisalo
 made it 1-3 with another goal from close range high over Aslin. Then,
 during the Finnish pressure, Sweden turned the game around in 1:47.
 Mikael Renberg worked hard behind the Finnish goal, and passed the puck to
 Jan Larsson in front, who backhanded the puck low, 2-3. Rundqvist entered
 the Finnish zone and passed to Ahlund, and the Finnish defense let Ahlund
 skate in and take a shot that Ketterer dropped into the goal, 3-3.
 Next, Roger Hansson -behind the goal- sent the puck back to the blue line
 where Roger Akerstrom took a slap shot and Ketterer didn't see the puck since
 there was traffic in front, 4-3.
 Third period started with a nice goal by Stefan "the Shadow" Nilsson. Stefan
 and Patrik Juhlin entered the Finnish zone, Patrik passed the puck back to
 Stefan who alone with Ketterer made no mistake, 5-3.
 Then, Keijo Sailynoja show started. He reduce and equalized the lead in only
 21 seconds! First he scored the 5-4 goal, and after that he came in alone
 with Aslin but was tripped by Aslin to get a penalty shot. Sailynoja
 made a nice penalty shot, showed forehand and put in with a low backhand shot.
 The Swedes seemed to head for a win when Mikael Renberg scored the 6-5 goal
 late in the game on a nice power play combination. Renberg waited in the slot,
 showed that he wanted the puck on the backhand side, Ahlund passed the puck
 and Renberg took a turnaround shot low in Ketterer's goal's far side.
 But Jari Korpisalo had other plans as he only 28 seconds later scored the
 game's final goal to make it 6-6. Korpisalo took a slap shot from a narrow
 angle that -maybe- Aslin should have saved.

 All in all, a decent game where the defense wasn't the best.
 Both teams juggled around the lines a bit in the second and third period
 to try no combinations.

 Renberg and Rundqvist plays well together in the Swedish team. Larsson-
 Nilsson-Juhlin best line overall again, it seems to be a working WC line.
 Stillman good on defense.
 Some players aren't good enough for the WC though. Hakan Ahlund (faell ner
 hjaelmen och jobba!), Roger Hansson, Challe Berglund, Kenny Jonsson
 will likely have to leave for NHL pros.

 Two-goal scorers Jari Korpisalo and Keijo Sailynoja played well in the
 Finnish team. Markus Ketterer didn't have a very good game, we've seen him
 a lot better, so Lindfors is probably Finland's starting goalie in the WC.
 I heard that Esa Tikkanen will join the Finnish team. It would be inter-
 resting to know which other pros coach Matikainen counts on for the WC.

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 Starting lines:

 	SWEDEN					FINLAND

  35. Peter Aslin			30. Markus Ketterer

   8. Kenneth Kennholt			 2. Mikko Haapakoski
  14. Fredrik Stillman			 3. Ville Siren

  10. Hakan Ahlund			28. Jarkko Varvio
   9. Thomas Rundqvist			40. Mika Nieminen
  29. Mikael Renberg  			18. Keijo Sailynoja

  27. Roger Akerstrom			 4. Erik Hamalainen
   7. Arto Blomsten			 8. Kari Harila

  20. Jan Larsson 	 		25. Rauli Raitanen
   4. Stefan Nilsson 			26. Petri Varis
   5. Patrik Juhlin			14. Jari Korpisalo

   3. Peter Popovic			 5. Timo Jutila
  32. Stefan Larsson			44. Harri Laurila

  11. Roger Hansson			24. Juha Riihijarvi
  33. Fredrik Nilsson			22. Timo Saarikoski
  24. Peter Ottosson			11. Vesa Viitakoski

					 6. Pasi Sormunen
					12. Janne Laukkanen

  19. Markus Naslund			29. Juha Ylonen
  21. Peter Forsberg			27. Timo Peltomaa
  18. Jonas Bergqvist			17. Marko Palo

 Played parts of the game:
  22. Charles Berglund			15. Mika Alatalo
   6. Kenny Jonsson			16. Saku Koivu
					20. Marko Palo

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I'm trying to set up a personal studio.

What I'm looking for are a cheap sampler(rack or with keyboard)

or a cheap sound card (AudioMedia I or II or something similar).


Just a little something I found while reading the Village Voice, which
is not noted for its sports coverage, but occasionally the print some
interesting features.  This year, the predictions/team analyses for
the 1993 season were presented in the form of Bob Dylan lyrics.  I
don't have the article in front of me, so I'll only give the memorable
ones here that I remember and know the melody to.  I could dig up more
if there is interest.

Yankess (to the tune of "Subterranean Homesick Blues")

Howe is in the basement, mixing up the medicine.
George is on the pavement thinking 'bout the government.
Wade Boggs in a trench coat, bat out, paid off,
Says he's got a bad back, wants to get it laid off.
Look out kids, it's somethin' you did.
Don't know when, but it's Columbus again.

Mets (to the tune of "Like a Rolling Stone")

Once upon a time you played so fine
you threw away Dykstra before his prime, didn't you?
People said "Beware Cone, he's bound to roam"
But you thought they were just kidding you.
You used to laugh about,
The Strawberry that was headin' out.
But now you don't talk so loud,
Now you don't seem so proud,
About having to shop Vince Coleman for your next deal....

Phillies (to the tune of "Highway 61")

Well Daulton and Dykstra should have some fun,
Just keep them off of Highway 61!

Giants (to the tune of "The Ballad of Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter")


Right. ROM numbers (easy to remember) 100 mph ~= 150 ft/sec.

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil


I beg to disagree with the assertion that science is a collection of models.
Scientific models are a game to play, and are only as good as the
assumptions and measurements (if any) that go into them.

As an example, I remember when nuclear winter was the big hype in
atmospheric science.  It wasn't long after Sagan's admonitions that
one of our boys was adding another level of reality into his model of
the nuclear winter scenario at ERL in Boulder.  He decided to assume
that the atmosphere is more like a two-dimensional thing, than a one-
dimensional thing.  He also assumed that it rained and that the winds
blow in the real atmosphere.  On returning to Georgia Tech, he showed
a transparency of atmospheric cooling rates according to the year they
were generated by the models.  There was an unmistakable correlation
between the age (meaning simplicity of assumptions; i.e., remoteness
from reality) of each model and the degree of cooling.  Whereas Sagan's
model showed an approximate 40-degree cooling episode, the next model
in sophistication showed about half that, and so on until we got to
our boy's model, which showed a 1-2 degree drop if the war happened in
the winter and less than a 10 degree drop if it happened in the summer.
He predicted that when we would include the presence of oceans, chemistry,
the biosphere, and other indicators of reality in the models, we would
probably see even less cooling.  Thus nuclear winter was reduced to even
less than a nuclear autumn, one might say, to a nuclear fizzle.

To quote from H.S. Yoder,

	The postulated models have become accepted as the reality
	instead of the lattice of assumptions they are.
	Authoritarianism dominates the field, and a very critical
	analysis of each argument is to be encouraged.... Skepticism
	of the model approach to earth problems is warranted because
	many key parameters have not been included.

This statement surely applies equally well to cosmogony.  Only when
convincing observational evidence substantiates the modeled results
may one suggest that the model may describe the reality.  Just thought
I'd clear that up before things really got out of hand.

--
boundary


This may be an FAQ, but I dont know where to get the FAQ list!
My OpenLook application has a few buttons. The first button turns
red(gets highlighted?) as soon as the sprite(mouse) is moved into the
application window. How do I suppress this?


Hm.  A previous poster argued that the fact that the BD's did not rush to
escape the burning building indicated that it was they, and not any of the
government actions, that started the fire.  On the other hand, I wonder if,
with a face full of "massive amounts of CS," *I* would be able to escape
a burning tinder-box like that ranch house assuming my best efforts.
--


HELP, PROBLEM 486/33MHZ HANGS IN EXTENDED MODE TRYING TO
ACCESS DRIVES A: OR B: , SOMETIMES IT WILL DO DIR , SOMETIMES WILL HANG
ON ACCESS SOMETIMES WILL WHEN TYING A TEXT FILE.

HARDWARE:
AMERICAN MEGATREND MOTHERBOARD
AMI BIOS 91
CONNER 85MB HARD DRIVE
TRIDENT 1 MEG SVGA


Just a quick comment. Backup lights mounted on the side
would actually be *extremely* useful for people backing out of
parking stalls...

Regards, Charles


I have finally decided to update my SE :-)).
I am planning on buying a Centris 610-8/230 CD.
Now, what monitor should I get? Here are a few
guidelines:
	My wife uses PageMaker occasionally, I use Excel sometimes
	and I do alot of Telecommuting from home to work. We both
	do Word processing. Greater than 14 inches.

I have looked at the Radius Color Pivot. This can be bought for
under $1000. I have heard good things about the E-Machines T-16,
the older model not the new T-16 II. How about the Super Mac 17T?
These both can be had for a little over $1000. Any others??


Hello,

   Let me introduce a problem:

   When I measure a sinusoidal wave (voltage) with a digital voltmeter, using
AC mode, my output is an rms value (a peak value over 2 squared). / Right? /
   When I measure a square wave in the same mode (AC), my output is equal
to a peak value, actually, to the upper flat boundary of the wave.
   I assumed, that a digital voltmeter makes some kind of integration of the
input value, and divides it over the wave period. / Right?/
   Now, I used it to measure the same  square wave as above, but distorted
by high-frequency harmonics. Ideally, output should be the same, but...
The output value was only about 10% of the previous one!
   Why? What is the nature of this output value? What does the voltmeter
actually measure? And what does it show?

   Related question (less important to me):
   What are advantages and disadvantages of digital voltmeters to compare with
analog ones?

   Thank you for your attention, you could mail me your opinion at
avm1993@zeus.tamu.edu or open a discussion here. I would appreciate either
way.

Alexander V. Mamishev

____________________________________________________________________________
Power System Automation Laboratory    <>   phone office (409) 845-4623
Department of Electrical Engineering  <>   phone home   (409) 846-5850
Texas A&M University                  <>   fax   (409) 862-2282
College Station, TX 77843, USA        <>   Internet: avm1993@zeus.tamu.edu


THE WHITE HOUSE

                    Office of the Press Secretary
______________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release                             April 13, 1993

                      REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT,
               SECRETARY OF EDUCATION RICHARD RILEY AND
                   SECRETARY OF LABOR ROBERT REICH  IN
                GOALS 2000 SATELLITE TOWN HALL MEETING

                     Chamber of Commerce Building
                           Washington, D.C.

8:30 P.M. EDT

	     SECRETARY RILEY:  Good evening and welcome to all of you
in the thousands of communities around the country that are taking
part in this satellite town meeting for the month of April.

	     You know, today is April 13th.  In 1743, Thomas
Jefferson was born, 250 years ago.  I think that's appropriate to
mention at the beginning of this meeting because since that time he
has been, of course, a person who has been one that we've all
followed in terms of our democracy and the importance of education
here in this great country.  The success of our democracy according
to Jefferson really depends upon the success of our educational
system.

	     His philosophy of government, his belief in the
importance of education is also very meaningful to our special guest
here this evening.  Tonight we're so pleased to have with us
President Clinton.  He's come over from the White House to join us in
the Chamber of Commerce studios.

	     Mr. President, it's good to have you.  We thank you for
taking the time to visit with these communities here on the satellite
network and we welcome you here this evening.

	     Also we have with us Secretary of Labor Robert Reich.
And, Bob, it's certainly pleasant to have you with us this evening
also.

	     I have some questions for our two guests, and I'm sure
many of you do, too.  So please call us if there's something that
you'd like to ask.  The number is 1/800/368-5781 or 5782.  In
Washington, D.C. the number is 202/463-3170 or 3171.

	     I believe the President has a few words that he might
want to share with us.  And, Mr. President, I'll ask you to do that
at this time.  It's great to have you.

	     THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you very much, Mr. Secretary.

	     I'm glad to be here with my friends, Dick Riley and Bob
Reich -- also members of my Cabinet -- at the headquarters of the
Chamber of Commerce to support the effort that the Chamber is making,
along with its Center for Work Force Preparation, to help to examine
tonight the whole critical question of how to move our young people
from school to the work place.

	     I want to compliment the Chamber on all their efforts,
recognizing that without an educated work force we can't grow this
economy or remain competitive, and recognizing that we all have to
work together -- business and government, labor and educators -- to
make things happen.

	     This satellite town meeting is a good example of that
kind of working together.  And if you'll forgive me a little home
state pride, I want to say a special word of thanks to the Wal-Mart
Corporation, headquartered in Bentonville, Arkansas, for providing
several hundred of the sites for this town meeting tonight.  I
appreciate that a lot, as well as the sites that are provided for all
the rest of you.

	     I have tried as hard as I could to move toward
constructive change for this country.  Secretary Riley talked about
this being Thomas Jefferson's 250th birthday.  If Thomas Jefferson
believed in anything, he believed in these three things:  first, in
education; second, in real personal liberty, freedom of religion,
freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of the press; and
third, in the absolute imperative of changing as times change.

	     If you go to the Jefferson Memorial here in this
beautiful city, which is now bedecked with all of its wonderful
cherry blossoms, you will see Jefferson saying that we have to change
with changing times.

	     For us here in America, that means reducing our deficit
and increasing our investment and putting our people first so that we
can compete in the world.  We're here to talk about that tonight --
about what we can do to educate and train our people better.  Unless
we do that, none of the efforts that all the rest of us make in
government, even to bring the budget into balance, even to increase
our investment in other things which will grow jobs, will last in the
long run.

	     We also have to have people who can carry their load.
And in a world where the average young person will change jobs seven
or eight times in a lifetime, that begins with the education system
and continues into the work force where education must go on for a
lifetime.  It's not just important what you know, but what you can
learn.

	     And if I might, I'd like to close just by emphasizing
we're doing our best to try to have the most innovative partnership
between the Labor Department and the Education Department and the
private sector to build a good school-to-work transition.  And we're
trying to get off to a good start this summer with a program that
would create more than 700,000 new summer jobs, including many
thousands that have a strong education component so our young people
can be learning and working at the same time.

	     Dick, I think I ought to stop there.  That's a good
place we can begin, I think, the discussion.

	     SECRETARY RILEY:  Thank you so much, Mr. President.

	     Each month we get together and talk about ways that all
citizens can work towards reaching the national education goals.  And
tonight, we'll focus on goal five, and how communities such as yours
can prepare students for this world of work.

	     This week, the Education Department and the Labor
Department are hosting a conference here in Washington, D.C. called
Summer Challenge, a program of work and learning, to America's youth.
The aim is to use some special funds from President Clinton's
proposed economic stimulus package to provide educationally-enriched
jobs and summer school programs for young people in disadvantaged
areas of the country.

	     Mr. President, let's talk a minute -- you alluded to it
somewhat -- about the  Summer Youth Challenge.  Your program calls
for more educational enrichment in the summer jobs.  And why in your
words is that so important?

	     THE PRESIDENT:  I think it's important for two reasons.
First of all, a lot of the young people we're trying to reach may
have had trouble adjusting to school and learning.  And while we want
them to have a good experience with a real job, we also want them to
continue to learn during the summer because we know from a lot of
research that a lot of kids that have trouble learning in school may
forget as much as 30 percent of what they learned the previous year
over the summertime.  And that is a very unproductive thing for
schools to have to take up a lot of time teaching what they already
taught before.

	     Secondly, we want to help these young people progress,
not only in terms of work, but in terms of learning.  We want to
abolish the artificial dividing line between what is work and what is
learning because we think that the best and most productive workers
will have to be lifetime learners.  And we think that this experience
could maybe drive that point home and prepare these young people to
succeed in school, or at work, or in college as they go on.

	     SECRETARY RILEY:  Well, I think the fact that these are
disadvantaged kids -- that gap, that lag you mentioned as they go
into the next year, is really even greater.

	     Secretary Reich, of course, you have training programs
throughout the year.  And I wonder is you have any comment about this
educational component of training.

	     SECRETARY REICH:  Well, what we've learned, Mr.
Secretary, is that for many young people, whether it's for the summer
or for the year, actually on-the-job work experience combined with
education is one of the best ways of learning.  Many young people,
for example, have a lot -- they have a difficult time learning
geometry.  But when they actually are there building something or
working on something, and they can see the exact and direct
application of geometry, they understand what it's used for.  And a
lot of young people -- just that sense of connection between
education and the world of work is terribly, terribly important.
It's important during the summer, but it's important for a lot of
young people even beyond the summer.

	     SECRETARY RILEY:  Thank you.

	     Mr. President, you've called for a youth apprenticeship
program, school-to-work transition.  And I wonder if you would tell
us a little bit about your concept of that and how you see it
developing.

	     THE PRESIDENT:  Well, first of all, let's talk about why
it's important.  Most new jobs that will be created in this decade
will not require a four-year college degree, but most of them will
require some learning and skills that go well beyond what most people
get in a high school diploma.

	     If you look at the last 10 years, the average salaries
of young people that had at least two years of good post-high school
education was a good salary that went up over the decade.  The young
people who had less than that tended to have lower wages that did not
go up, and in many cases in real terms fell over the decade, because
they weren't productive, they weren't more valuable to their
employers.

	     So we think America has a big economic interest in
trying to ensure that all the young people who get out of high school
but don't go on to college make a transition to work, which includes
two years of further training either in a community college, a
vocational setting, or perhaps on the job.  And what I have done in
this budget, as you know, is to give you and Secretary Reich some
funds and some incentives to try to work in partnership with states
and with the private sector to build these programs state-by-state in
a way that would be customized essentially by the business community,
based on the needs of the economy in any given area.  It could
revolutionize long-term the quality of the American work force and
the earnings of American workers.

	     SECRETARY REICH:  I should add, Mr. President -- I think
you know this from your experience in Arkansas -- and many of the
people watching this program -- that the business community and
educators, labor groups are already in many of our communities, many
of our states, building a school-to-work transition program.  In
fact, there's an awful lot of ferment, a lot of excitement.  The
people watching this program probably are the ones who are most
directly involved in that.  And more power to them.  Secretary Riley
and I are going to do everything we can to build on the successes
already out there.

	     SECRETARY RILEY:  Bob, we're going to be talking tonight
about youth apprenticeship and tech prep, the co-op learning
career academies.  And what features all those programs that deal
with this subject -- what are some of the features that every one of
these school-to-work programs might have that   are important?

	     SECRETARY REICH:  Well, one thing that we've seen -- and
you and I have been working at this for a long time, and you much
longer than I -- we've seen that active involvement of the business
community is absolutely essential.  And I'm so delighted that we're
doing this in the headquarters of the Chamber of Commerce.  The
Chamber of Commerce of the United States is committed to doing these
kinds of programs -- training, education, retraining -- and we've
aimed to work very closely with the Chamber.

	     The business community is going to be actively engaged
in developing almost an audit of the kind of jobs that are needed and
helping the educators, community colleges, technical institutions
develop curricula that are relevant for the jobs of the future.

	     Communities have got to come together.  I mean, this is
one of the most important things.  You've got to have all of these
players in a community come together and work together and cooperate
together.  You know, too often we have the educators over here and
the business leaders over here, labor groups over here and everybody
is talking, but they're not really working together in a common
strategy.

	     And the third and final ingredient I would say, Dick,
would be a commitment to excellence -- a commitment both to academic
excellence and also to skills development excellence.  This is not a
tracking program we're talking about for kids who are not going to
make it.  This is a program that every young person ought to be
eligible for.  If they want to go on beyond that to four-year
college, that's fine.  That ought to be permissible.  But we're
talking about the foundation of learning about jobs, the foundation
skills for on-the-job learning.

	     And again, those are the critical components.  It's
already being done.

	     THE PRESIDENT:  I think -- if I might just interject one
point based on my personal experience at home -- the business
community has a critical role to play, not simply in saying here are
the job skills that are needed and here's what ought to be taught,
but also in monitoring that excellence.  If you have the right sort
of partnership there, the people who are paying the taxes and who are
going to then be hiring the workers are not going to permit the
second-rate programs to survive if they have any way to shape and
influence them.  So I think that's very important.

	     And when we try to, if you will, fill in the blanks at
the federal level, trying to set some standards and provide some
funds, one of the things that we want to be sure and do is to make
sure that the employer has a heavy amount of influence over the
quality of these programs, because that's really what's going to
determine whether the whole thing is worthwhile.

	     SECRETARY RILEY:  That's great.  We've been talking, of
course, about school-to-work and also the jobs and economic recovery
program for this summer and fall.  But let's talk just a moment about
long-term school reform.  It's something especially close to me.  Mr.
President, I wonder if you would give us some of your ideas for the
communities out here on Goals 2000 legislation that I think will be
coming forth before too long.

	     THE PRESIDENT:  Well, as you know, back when you and I
were both governors, we spent a lot of time working on our public
schools and we tried to be very candid with our people in saying that
a lot of these things were going to take some time to materialize.

	     I had a hand in writing the National Education Goals
that the governors drafted, along with representatives of President
Bush's administration back in 1989.  And what we're going to try to
do this year with your leadership is to introduce legislation in
Congress that will actually define the things that the national
government ought to do to try to help the local schools and the
children of this country and the adult learners, too, meet those
goals -- making sure that when -- by 2000, people show up for school
ready to learn; that we get a 90 percent on-time high school
graduation rate; that children at the 4th, 8th, and 12th grades are
confident in the subjects they're supposed to know; that they are
second to none in math and science; that are schools are safe,
disciplined, and drug-free.  And, of course, the fifth goal --I took
them out of line to say this the last -- is that we have a system of
life-long learning in this country.

	     And each one of those goals there's a national role, a
state role, a school role, school district role, and a private sector
role.  And what you've attempted to do in this bill you're going to
introduce with me in the next few weeks is to define what our job is;
and then to give the rest of America a way of defining what their job
is and seeing whether we're actually meeting the standards of quality
that we need to meet.

	     It's very exciting.  So far as I know, nothing quite
like it has ever been done in the form of federal legislation before.
Not mandating and telling people what they have to do with their
money, but actually setting up a framework for excellence and
partnerships so that we can do our job.  I'm really excited about it.

	     SECRETARY RILEY:  Well, I am, too.  And I think really
it will be an entirely new role for the federal government in terms
of its relationship with states, serving as a partner really to
support and facilitate and to help out in these education reform
efforts, all driven by high standards.  That's the point.

	     Bob, let me ask you one question, and then we'll get to
the telephone calls.  It's about the same subject.  We have, of
course, skills standards that are going to be part of Goals 2000, and
I wonder if you would comment on that.

	     SECRETARY REICH:  Well, you know, we have 75 percent of
our young people who don't graduate from college.  Very often they
don't have very many alternatives.  They do have a wonderful system
of community colleges and technical institutions, but if we had
national skill standards to which they could aspire and which
employers would understand as a national credential, many of these
young people would actually find that they were much more eligible
for jobs.

	     Everybody doesn't have to go to college.  Other
countries you have smaller proportions of their population going to
college, but you have a whole level of people who have certain
technical, preprofessional skills.  We can do it in this country.  If
you don't go to four-year college you're not a loser.  And we want to
develop those national skill standards.  We're going to be working
with the states, with the Education Department, with a lot of private
industry in developing those standards.  And I think they will be the
kinds of things that enable our vocational and technical and other
institutions to rally around, as well as our business community.

	     SECRETARY RILEY:  Well, that's great.  Why don't we go
ahead and go to the telephone.  We have a call, I see -- Mayor Bruce
Todd of Austin, Texas.

	     Q	  Yes, Mr. President and Mr. Secretary Reich and
Riley, we certainly appreciate the opportunity to join you today.  We
have some dedicated professionals and volunteers here in Austin who
have heard what you have said and are very appreciative.  Let me
simply say, amen to some of the comments made already.  We agree with
much of the tone that the Clinton administration has taken, and are
very supportive.

	     We have been successful here in Austin of tripling our
summer employment program over the last four years.  We expect to
have over 2,000 employed this year in the summertime; perhaps as much
as 3,500 with the federal assistance.

	     Much of the question that we had designed you have
answered in your opening comments, so we must be thinking alike.  But
the question essentially involved what initiatives after Labor Day
would be appropriate.  We know summertime is important.  Year-round
is even more important.  And what kind of initiatives at the federal
level might be proposed to meet the needs of the youth on a year-
round basis?  And perhaps more importantly, how can families and the
local community be more involved using the federal initiative? That's
something that we believe is very important to success in this
effort.

	     SECRETARY RILEY:  Mr. President.

	     THE PRESIDENT:  I think I'll give everybody a chance to
answer the question, Bruce, but let me first thank you for calling,
and thank you for all the great work that you're doing in Austin.
I've seen some of it and I've always been very impressed.

	     First, with regard to the summer program, we hope we can
structure it in a way that will enable us to continue the summer
program and that will move a lot of these young people back into
schools under circumstances that might allow them to do some work in
the private sector, too.  We hope that -- Secretary Reich is going to
try to set up a system where we create a lot of private sector jobs
to be matched with the public sector jobs this summer.  And we're
working on that.

	     Secondly, in the program that I have presented to the
Congress over the next five years, what we are attempting to do is to
build in an amount of investment that's quite substantial for job
training programs, for school-to-work programs, all of which give
heavy, heavy weight to local community input -- just the question you
asked -- but do provide some federal investment dollars, which we
hope you can put with local dollars to keep people working and being
trained on a year-round basis.

	     And I will say again, to echo what Secretary Reich said
a moment ago, to try to break down the barrier between what is seen
as work and what is seen as learning.  An awful lot of young people
actually have quite high IQs, but actually learn so much better when
they're doing than when they're reading or just listening.  So we
hope that the community involvement part of it will be permanent, and
we hope that if the whole budget passes -- and we do have 200 budget
cuts and more than 200, actually, in the budget -- and some revenue
raisers, and some new money for education and training, that we'll be
able to do just what you seem to want based on your question.

	     Bob, do you want to say anything?

	     SECRETARY REICH:  Well, you took most of the words out
of my mouth, Mr. President, as usual.  But let me just add one thing,
and that is that one of the most important aspects of post-high
school for a lot of young people who are not going on to college, in
addition to the school-to-work program, simply is the availability of
jobs.  And we've got to get this economy moving again, obviously.
It's terribly important to get this recovery program, to get the
economy back on track.  That's sort of the prerequisite to everything
else.  If we don't get the economy back on track -- we have -- I
think this is the 16th -- correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. President -- I
think is the 16th month we have had seven percent unemployment or
greater.  This is a jobless recovery.  A lot of those kids are going
to be getting out of school in June.  And even if we did everything
right, they would have a very, very hard time getting jobs.

	     SECRETARY RILEY:  Thank you both.  Of course, Goals 2000
will be a permanent, long-term thing that will certainly reach into
next year.  It will involve, if passed -- and we certainly hope it
will be -- action plans with every state where we can be working
together to reach for the goals in a number of different ways.  And
then the state, with all the various school districts, a very
important part of that will be citizen and parent involvement.  And I
think everybody will see a great energy out there, once we get that
moving.

	     The next call is Dr. Harry Heinemann, New York.

	     Doctor?

	     Q	  Good evening, Mr. Secretary.  It is a pleasure to
be on with you this evening.  As you may know, bridging the school
and work has been central to La Guardia's educational program since
its inception in the 1970s, and that includes the college, the two
alternative high schools that operate on our campus, and the linkages
we have forged with the local schools.  We have found this to be an
extremely effective learning strategy.

	     And over the years, we've come to believe that there are
several principles that are very important in bridging the school and
work.  And these include integrating theory in the classroom with
practice in the workplace, with providing all students early exposure
to careers, as well as providing opportunities for them to reflect
upon these experiences while they strengthen their skills; and
lastly, the critical role of the liberal arts, particularly in the
development of high performance competencies.

	     My question, then is:  How can the general education
faculty and the academic curriculum be more closely integrated with
transition to work experience?  And what mechanisms and strategies
can you suggest to achieve this integration?

	     SECRETARY RILEY:  Well, thank you very much.  I think --
and we'll get a response from you all on that, and very interesting
work going on there.  We're going to have three people, our next
guests on the program this evening, that will be some specialists
in that area that you're speaking, and I'll certainly pass that on to
them and we can discuss it later.

	     You all care to comment -- any comments you might have?

	     THE PRESIDENT:  I'd just like to say, if I might, one
thing.  I want to reemphasize this and I don't think I'm being as
clear about it as I'd like, although I think at least one of the
people who will be on the second panel will be able to say it more
explicitly than I.  I think this whole concept of applied academics
is very important.  And I think that we have to basically abolish
what I consider to be a very artificial distinction between what is
vocational learning and what is academic learning.

	     I think we should keep the liberal arts going.  I think
we should have a strong component for people who are in the
vocational program.

	     SECRETARY REICH:  It seems to me that we also need to
rethink our entire tracking system, because a lot of these school and
work combinations are important for mainstream students.  They're
important for all students.  It's not just a special group of
students that needs them.

	     Some of the experiments that I've seen around the United
States -- Dick, I'm sure you've seen them as well -- are mainstream
experiments.  They're mainstreaming all the students.  At 11th and
12th grades they're giving them a combined work and school experience
and then a transition program.  And again, the kids can either go on
to college if they want; they can go on to technical community; they
can go on to an entirely -- a large variety of possibilities and
career directions.

	     But we have to get away from the stigmatizing that often
goes on with young people who simply are doing job-related or work-
related work within the classroom, within our schools.

	     SECRETARY RILEY:  Thank you, very much.  I think that's
going to be the last call that we have time for.  Mr. President, I
think you've got to move on to another matter, and I want to thank
you and Secretary Reich for being here.  We appreciate your time and
your ideas, and it's been a tremendous help to us.


     It depends on which uniforms you are talking about.  For the last
couple of years I believe Toronto and Pittsburgh has used the same uniforms,
or at least very similar.  The home jerseys had the team nick name
(Blue Jays or Pirates), but the road jerseys had the name of the city
(Toronto or Pittsburgh).  I believe this is the way most teams design
their uniforms.


Hi all,

    Could anybody please tell me where I might be able to find device drivers
for a couple of older Gateway ethernet cards?  I don't have the model number
off hand, but they have only a BNC connector, and a header connector for
a Novell keycard (one has one installed).

    I'm looking at using these with a 2 node copy of 10-net that I picked up
at a swap meet.  (I'd love to do Lantastic or Netware lite, but I'm a poor
college student and the price was right.)

    Please reply via email, as I haven't had a lot of time for news because
of exams and such.


I've never had quicken but I did use MYM in it's early days. I have MS Money
for Windows now and a financial planning package called Wealthbuilder by
Reality Technologies and Money Magazine. P.S. I also do my taxes with Turbo
Tax. All of these packages are good in their own way but none of them
really support me in doing what I really need to do - manage my finances.

The first company that comes along with a Windows based package that:
    manages budgets and accounts
    manages loans
    calculates taxes
    uses all of the above and knowledge about my investing philosophy to
      help me invest in the right investment vehicles, and
    integrates it all together

will have my business for life.


I have also heard about HCI claiming thant anyone they  get an address
from is a member.  If this is the case their membership rolls are
grossly inflated and we should not call them and give them a name
and address to add to their already false rolls.  Perhaps
if you could get a copy of their existing membership, then pretend to
be an existing member, do that several thousand times, you could
hurt HCI.  But names are power.  Remeber the NRA uses the fact
that it has 3 million paid members in order to flex its muscles.

Perhaps politicians don't realize the lying tactics of HCI, wait a
minute, HCI learned it from politicians....


The SDIO has "contracted" with the NRL (Naval Research Laboratory) to fly the Clementine Mission.  BTW we call it DSPSE (Deep Space Project Science Experiment).

The NRL is building the spacecraft, designing the detailed mission and doing the
integration and operations (with help from, JPL & Goddard & prob. some folks I
have left out...don't be mad).

I am on the TAMP (Trajectory Analysis & Mission Planning) team and am responsable
for the IV&V of the traj that Goddard/CSC are designing.

As for why SDIO is doing it, some of the reasons are:

   1)  the safety constraints are too tight to try to run the LIDAR in LEO

   2)  in LEO we don't get any new radiation data on the sensors, we will get
       that data on our 9 passages through the Van Allen (sp?) Belts

   3)  since we are going out there...why not piggy-back some general science

   4)  the intercept problem is a lot easied over LONG distances and LONG times

I am sure there are some things I have forgotten, and some I haven't been told
but, those are the reasons we all talk about.

--


[..stuff deleted]
Oh, but can Big Brother afford such things in these times of tight
budgets?

I don't know how many folks noticed it, but Dorothy "Trust Me" Denning gave
a real clue to the current state of the art at NSA on decrypto machines when
she said the NSA told her they didn't even want to be the holder of any
part of the key.

Now why is that?  I doubt there is a trapdoor in Skipjack.  (But we will
never know).  And I doubt the NSA would promote a mass market chip they
couldn't compromise.  Ergo, NSA is now capable of compromising (probably
with brute force keysearch) engines of the complexity of Skipjack.  Look
at the specs.  Why, I bet they have thousands of little chips chugging
away in their crypto busters... Maybe even tens of thousands.  Complexity?
Not much more than a 3090.  How many such machines will fit into Fort Meade?

I think PGP2.3 should have 256 bit IDEA keys...


The headline says it all!!!!!!!!


  Well, before we start calling the Engineering folks in France a bunch of
braindeads for this...
  My 1979 Mercury Capri had this lovely feature. This was not the earlier
German variant but the newer one that was identical to the Mustang of
current fame. I can't tell you how many times this feature pissed me off.
Come to think of it my brothers Zepher had this as well.

Robert Dilmore
dilmore@cray.com


The code fragment looks reasonable, but is your logic valid?
Just because something appears in an 8 bit deep pixmap doesn't
mean every bit plane contains data.  Did you try each plane?


JL-NS>Subject: Re: Motorcycle Courier (Summer Job)

I'd like to thank everyone who replied. I will probably start looking in
earnest after May, when I return from my trip down the Pacific Coast
(the geographical feature, not the bike).

Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .

 * SLMR 2.1a * Have bike, will travel. Quickly. Very quickly.


The Apollo astronauts also trained at (in) Meteor Crater in the Flagstaff
area (Arizona).  There is now a museum with a space shop.
Caution: they ease you by 6$. Compared to a KSC visit it's not worth.


 |> >
 |> >>To sum up, when an accelerated board with 4MB VRAM (True Colour 1280x1024)
 |> >>AND A FAST VGA SIDE is available under $500, I will buy one.

 SuperMac just announced a new line of PC accelerated cards that do 1024x768 in
24bit color.  They start at $999 retail.  I don't think your wait will be very long.


Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above
yourselves.


On the Lindros "trade":  Like Ottawa would be stupid enough to get
Lindros.  Why do you think Quebec traded him?  Lindros would go on
personal strike again...maybe I should talk to Ottawa mgmt. about
arranging such a trade....  ;-)

On that xenophobe:  Thankfully nobody agreed with him publicly.  Maybe we
should look at baseball, the supposed "American" pasttime (sp?).  Look at
all the damn Latin Americans playing there!  They should all be deported!
They aren't American!  (add sarcasm to taste)

To Roger:  Wow, for once we agree.  I hope this isn't a sign of things to
come.... I'll become a ranting lunatic who talks about nothing but the
Leafs being the best in the Campbell.  ;-)

On the Rangers:  I told someone that nothing that happened in the Patrick
would surprise me anymore.  I lied.  How the hell can a team go into
Washington, earn a shutout, then come back home and lose to pitiful
Hartford?  The absolute *pinnacle* of mediocrity.  I can't stand it.
From what I've read, the goalie is to blame this time, as Beezer played
pretty poorly.  Smith is talking about calling up Corey Hirsch from
Binghamton, everybody is pointing fingers... this is definitely not the
same team which wanted to prove itself in Washington.  *Now* nothing that
happens in the Patrick will surprise me.  (Yeah, right... ;-)

--
    Keith Keller				LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
						LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!
	kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu		IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!


A method which will directly (almost) provide you with the information that
you require is that which is commonly used for coordinate measurements of
human body landmarks (eg. the SELSPOT system by SELSPOT AB, Sweden, and the
WATSMART System ??).  These use lateral photoeffect detectors [Lindholm and
Oberg, 1974; Woltring and Marsolais, 1980] to determine the position of a
spot of light projected (using a camera lens) over its surface.  In escence,
the detector is a large photodiode with four cathodes (one on each of the
four sides of the square detector crystal) and a single anode (the back of
the crystal).  A spot of light will produce currents which are proportional
to the position of the spot on the detector's face.  Let's try some ASCII
graphics in 2-D (so the detector has two cathodes to detect linear position)

              -------------------------> 1
             |                       |
             |                       |       |\
           -----   cathode 1         |       |  \
           XXXXX                     ________| +  \
           XXXXX|                            |      \        -------
    light >XXXXX|                            |        \_____ divider __ output
           XXXXX|     |                      |        /      -------
           XXXXX|-----| |--                  |      /           |
           XXXXX|   + |    |         ________| -  /           1 + 2
           XXXXX|         --- gnd    |       |  /
           XXXXX|         \ /        |       |/
           XXXXX| anode              |
           XXXXX                     |
           ----- cathode 2           |
             |                       |
             |                       |
             --------------------------> 2

If the dot of light from the LED is the ONLY source of light, then the position
of the projection is given by this circuit regardless of the level of illumina-
tion (the divider is used to normalize relative to total received power).  When
this circuit is used in the presence of other sources of light, then the way of
"tuning" to it is to sample for a few msec the background signal, light the LED
for an equal time and sample that signal separately.  The difference between
the two is the position of the LED.

Hamamatsu photonics sells linear and 2-D lateral photoeffect detectors, and
they also sell the required signal processing electronics.  The ready-made
systems by SELSPOT and others are NOT cheap ...

Lindholm, L.E., and K.E. Oberg, "An Optoelectronic Instrument for Remote
On-Line Movement Monitoring", Biotelemetry, 1, 94-95, 1974.

Woltring, H.J., and E.B. Marsolais, "Opto-Electronic (SELSPOT) Gait Measure-
ments in Two and Three Dimensional Space - A Preliminary Report", Bull. Pros-
thetics Research, 46-52, 1980.

Most probably this technique can provide you with a much more accurate
measurement than you need, but I think that its simplicity beats scanning
a quadrant detector with a pan/tilt system until you reach zero difference.

            - David


: >>     WHO is Josie Hadas?
:
:
: I see you didn't notice my recent posting.
:
: The FBI found that "Josie Hadas" was simply an alias taken by Salameh.
:

I have the sources for the information in the Chronology, including the
NY Daily News of March 5 that reports the arrest of Josie Hadas and a
copy of the foreign press reports of her release shortly afterwards.

What is the source for your alias story?

And pray tell me how can the FBI arrest and release an alias?
:
: >>     WHAT is the relationship between that person and the Israeli mussad?
:
: Zilch, zero, nothing. Like the IQ of the idiot who posted this absurdity in the
: first place.


I am not sure if this is the proper group to post this to but here goes anyway.

 About five years ago my mother was diagnosed with having cancer in the lymph nodes
 under one of her arms. After the doctors removed the cancerous area she had full movement
 of her arm with only slight aching under her arm when she moved it. Over the course of
 the next two years the aching got more severe and her complaining to the doctors produced
 the explanation that it was scar tissue causing the pain. At this time her doctor
 suggested that some physiotherapy should be employed to break up the scar tissue.

 While attending one of her therapy sessions, while her arm was being
 manipulated, some damage occured (nerve?) which caused the level of pain to permanently
 increase severly (controlled by Tylenol 3s) and some loss of use of the arm (
 palsied wrist and almost no outward lateral movement). With great persistence on her part
 the doctors looked further into the issue and discovered that not all of the cancer had
 been removed and another tumor had grown under the arm. This was removed also but the
 pain in the arm has not decreased. The doctors are not sure exactly why the pain is
 persisting but feel some sort of nerve damage has occured and they have employed Tylenol 3
 and soon Morphine to relieve the pain. She has tried acupuncture by this only provides
 minor reductions in pain and is only short term.

 My questions are:

     Has anyone has heard of similar cases and what, if anything, was done to reduce the
     levels of pain?

     Are their methods to block nerves so that the pain can be reduced?

     Are their methods to restore nerves so that loss of arm function can be restored?

  Any general suggestions on pain reduction would be greatly appreciated.

  Please respond by email because I do not always get chance to read this group.

  If anyone knows of some literature that may be useful to this case or another newsgroup
  that I should be posting this to it would also be appreciated.


Are there any Workspace Managers out there for Windows 3.1 ?
By a Workspace Manager, I mean something like the HP APOLLO Workstations
have - multiple workspaces under X.  There is a window at the bottom
of the screen which allows you to select different workspaces.
It overcomes the problem of having stacks of windows open on the one
screen.  Instead, you can spread them amongst different workspaces
which act like independent screens, and you can flick between them.
Thanks in advance.


On the one hand there are advantages to having the liturgy stay the
same.  John has described some of these.  On the other hand, some people
seem to start tuning out `the same old words' and pay attention better
when things get changed around.  I think innovative priests and liturgy
committees are trying to get our attention and make things more
meaningful for us.  It drives me crazy too.

Different people have differing preferences and needs in liturgy.  My
local parish is innovative.  I prefer to go to Mass at the next parish
over.  Sometimes we don't have the option of attending a Mass in the
style which best suits us.  John put a smiley on it but to "just offer
it up" probably is the solution.

A related issue, that it sounds like John does not have to deal with, is
that spouses may have different liturgical tastes.  My husband does like
innovative litury.  It is a challenge to meet both of our spiritual
needs without just going our separate ways.  When you include the factor
of also trying to satisfy our children's needs, things get pretty
complicated.

One thing to remember is that even the most uncongenial Mass is still
Mass.


Begging everyone's pardon, I was not slamming Motif, nor was I necessarily
plugging/flaming the two.  I was responding to the sweet blithe statement in:
 <rick.734610425@digibd> from rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson)

rick> This is one area where Microsoft NT has a big advantage.  Since
rick> they control the whole show, there are no issues like this where
rick> licensees create incompatible defacto standards.

This happy statement shows a mindset that inventors and companies have when
they are pleased with something that works, and they believe that others will
also be happy to use it.  I remember when _SunView_ was hot stuff (and am not,
by that statement, endorsing Sun and its products, this is just my experience),
and when OpenWindows became hot stuff, that was when I started hearing, as
mentioned before, the "socialistic masses" that were bent on destroying
_anything_ that was deemed proprietary, including OpenWindows.  I mentioned
Motif in the same breath, because that is what Sun has decided to turn its
attention to, not because I hate it.  Mr. Richardson's position, I believe, is
a healthy one, and I am sure that the seething hackers will soon try to
flame and destroy NT, if it ever shows up, wanting instead everything to be
free, and then complaining when there is no organized structure and there are
no de facto standards.

It was just a vent for frustration brought on by prevailing winds.


Hum, do you enjoy putting words in my mouth?
Come to Nome and meet some of these miners.. I am not sure how things go down
south in the lower 48 (I used to visit, but), of course to believe the
media/news its going to heck (or just plain crazy).
Well it seems that alot of Unionist types seem to think that having a job is a
right, and not a priviledge. Right to the same job as your forbearers, SEE:
Kennedy's and tel me what you see (and the families they have married into).
There is a reason why many historians and poli-sci types use unionist and
socialist in the same breath.
The miners that I know, are just your average hardworking people who pay there
taxes and earn a living.. But taxes are not the answer. But maybe we could move
this discussion to some more appropriate newsgroup..


He's a shortstop by training, but he's been at second (mostly) and third
this year for the Expos.


I find this argument very strange, though not unfamiliar.

An analogy someone used a while back can perhaps illustrate it.

Say, for example, there are people living on a volcanic island, and a group
of geologists determine that a volcano is imminent. They warn the people on
the island that they are in danger, and should leave. A group of people on
the island is given the task of warning others of the danger.

They believe the danger is real, but others may not.

Does that mean that the first group are NECESSARILY arrogant in warning
others of the danger? Does it mean that they are saying that their beliefs
are correct, and all others are false?

Some might indeed react to opposition with arrogance, and behave in an
arrogant manner, but that is a personal idiocyncracy. It does not
necessarily mean that they are all arrogant.


At 50 miles, a conventional set of TV antennas on a pole (one aimed
at each transmitter location) should work well.

"Rabbit ears" inside the house are probably not adequate.

Gadgets to plug into your house wiring are even worse.
At VHF, you don't want a _big_ antenna, you want a _resonant_
antenna.


Ah and how...??? Amen to that one!!!!!!  Thanks Chuck for sharing...
after all, no one can serve two masters...God and money......
after all, the preciousness of God as Lord and Savior is far more valuable than
being a millionaire will ever be...


Here in the UK, the bandwidth restriction apparently only apply to
local lines.. ie those used by the average domestic client. Private
lines which are run from the local exchange to the leasing client are
usually capable of a higher bandwidth if the exchange is digital.

Don't quote me on that..... But I think I remember a BT engineer
saying something to that effect when I was doing some work
shadowing a few years ago.

Byeeeee !

Chris ;-)

  +====================================================================+
  |Name : Mr Chris Smith       |     Twang on that 'ole guitar !       |
  |Addrs: scst83@uk.ac.liv.csc |                                       |
  |Uni  : Liverpool University |Quest: To build more and more hardware |
  |Dgree: Computer Science     |                                       |
  +====================================================================+

 "What ever the sun may be, it is certainly not a ball of flaming gas!"
  -- D.H. Lawrence.


Petri and Mathew,

Your discusion on the "reality" of atoms is interesting, but it
would seem that you are verging on the question "Is anything real":
that is, since observation is not 100% reliable, how can we say
that anything is "real".  I don't think this was the intention
of the original question, since you now define-out the word
"real" so that nothing can meet its criteria.
Just a thought.

Brian /-|-\


Perhaps one way of getting away from this cripple chip that the U.S.
government seems to be pushing would be to come up with a good alternative.
For example, how about a scheme using RSA, and some hybrid of DES-CFB and
another strong stream cipher (Maybe IDEA-CFB)?  This could be substantially
the same as the cripple chip, except that instead of key-registration, the
police could demand that you give up your secret key to them (with a court-
issued warrant).  Then, they could read the last few months of wiretapped
messages you've sent, and assuming you've committed no crimes, you could
generate a new key pair and go about your business.  I find that I'd be
willing to pay RSA for the right to use such a system, especially given the
alternative.  If you were unwilling to give up your secret key, then you'd
probably stay in jail (has anyone got a real legal precedent for this?).
   This would allow court-issued warrants to be used to gather information
on suspected criminals, but it couldn't be done in secrecy, and there
would be enormously less likelihood of corruption or theft of escrowed keys.
(Maybe someone from the law-enforcement or intelligent community will correct
me, but this doesn't *seem* like such a big loss in terms of law-enforcement
capabilities.)

   Any comments?


----------------------------Original message----------------------------
                                                                    D"SB

Mincha, Tish(a Yamim La(Omer, Yom Chamishi, Y"D b'Nisan ThShN"G;
Universita Varsha b'Varsha, Galut HaMara Meod.

SHALOM ALL!
Those of You visiting The Ghetto City these days might be
interested in the following events timetable  (abridged):
19:00, Fri., 16th April, '93: Kabbalat Shabbat service at the Nozyk Shul
                                (6 Twarda Street, Warsaw -- a 10 mins'
                                walk from the Palace of Science &
                                Culture: the tallest building in the
                                city's centre, & the same distance from
                                the Central Railway Station).
09:30, Sat., 17th April,  " : Shacharit L'Shabbat service, Nozyk Shul.
11:30, Sun., 18th April,  " : The Fallen Ones Memorial service, Nozyk Shul.
13:00, Sun., 18th April,  " : Memorial Ceremony at the Jewish Cemetery
                                (Okopowa Street, Warsaw).
18:00, Sun., 18th April,  " : Official Arts Programme at the Congress Hall
                                (a building adjacent to the Palace of
                                Science & Culture, which -- like the Shul
                                -- is located a quarter's walk from most of
                                downtown hotels: Bristol, Forum, Victoria,
                                Europejski, Holiday Inn, Marriott).
12:00, Mon., 19th April,  " : Laying of Wreaths at the Ghetto Heros
                                Monument.


Dear sun and windows people,

I am running sun workstations with SunOs 4.1.1 and
vanilla X11 R5. I have a bunch of xterminals as well.

Today I had my xdm fail. At about 9:30
it was impossible to login to a host from an xterminal.
The message was the "xdm too many retransmissions".
In my xdm-errors file I had the following entries:

  >error (pid 7423): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly:
  >256
  >error (pid 7927): WARNING: keyboard on display :0 could not be
  >secured
  >error (pid 7423): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly:
  >
  >I also had:
  >
  >error (pid 7457): WARNING: keyboard on display :0 could not be
  >secured
  >error (pid 7423): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly:
  >256
  >error (pid 7462): WARNING: keyboard on display :0 could not be
  >secured
  >error (pid 7423): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly:
  >256

Also, at the console, the login box would come up for
about 2 seconds and then
it would go away. It would do this continuously.

I could login from another workstation to the hosts in question,
however, I could not login on the console.

I tried killing xdm and restarting it but that didn't help.
I finally rebooted all the hosts. (Which hurts when done in the
middle of the day).

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Phil
--
Phil Neal, Systems Programmer, Statistics Department GN-22
University of Washington, Seattle, Wa. 98195 USA  | 206-685-1627


For sale:

Roland D-50: $700 or best offer.
Excellent condition.
Includes over 1000 patches on disk (In cakewalk sysex format)

Buyer must pay COD shipping.

Please e-mail responses to:
gms2@po.cwru.edu

Thanks.

George


  Bobby:

  Get this the hell out of your .sig until you 1) learn what it
  stands for and 2) really mean it.

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM

They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.


  Actually the most flexible way to create temp files is to check for a TEMP or
TMP environment variable and create the files on the drive and directory pointedto by the variable.  This is pretty much a standard for DOS, Windows and OS/2
applications.

--
What I have to say is my own opinion and has no bearing on any other person or
organization including my employer.


Hey, now will you stop encouraging him? Copy protection only serves one pur-
pose: to keep the honest buyer from making (legal) backup copies. It will
definitely not stop any pirates. If you want to protect you soft, supply a
good documentation and support. This is IMHO the *only* way of effectively pro-
tecting software.

Best Regards,

Arno

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on Date: 01 Apr 93 18:03:12 GMT, Ralph Buttigieg <ralph.buttigieg@f635.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au>
/Why can't the government just be a tennant? Private commercial concerns
/could just build a space station system and charge rent to the government
/financed researchers wanting to use it.

I believe that this was the thought behind the Industrial Space Facility.  I
don't remember all the details, but I think Space Services (?) wanted NASA to
sign an anchor tenancy deal in order to help secure some venture capital but
NASA didn't like the deal.  (I'm sure I'll hear about it if I'm wrong!)


True in theory.  In practice?  The technology of cellular phones will
probably be spread spectrum and quite difficult to record the crypttext
without the key.  If the frequency path depends on they key, as I
understand it to, it *could* be made effectively impossible to record.

Once it hits land you can record it if you have telco access.  The
telco isn't supposed to give that without a warrant.  That's the rule
today.

But even so, the evidence would not be admissible, I think, unless the
judge so ordered.  I think that even interception of the crypttext
without a warrant would be illegal.   Cops can't record today's plain
cellular calls and then ask a judge, "Hey, can we have permission to
listen to those tapes?" can they?

Yes, that is a major concern, but I think that they think they can
win just by having 99.5% of the USA use this system.  They don't even
have to care about the cautious .5% that's left.  They don't catch the
really smart crooks anyway.   John Gotti, who would have to be retarded
not to realize he was likely to be wiretapped, glibly chatted away
on his tapped phone about murder plans.  That's why he's in jail now.
Hard to believe, but true.

This scheme can succeed without laws forbidding more, which people would
fight a lot harder.  They like this enough that they are dropping the so
called "Digital Telephony" proposal, according to rumours.  However the
meaning of that is complex, since they still want to get at the crypttext
on telco systems, and that requires a bit of work.


While I enjoy the trend towards the more classic style of uniform -
and I disagree with the person who wants a return to the non-gray road
uniforms - it should be remembered that one of the, if not THE reason
for the redesigning of uniforms, especially hats (re: the new road all
green A's caps and the cardinal navy blue road cap), is the marketing
money to be made in sales of new merchandise.


:As a matter of fact, i do keep random files on my disk.  The reason is,
:without special-purpose hardware, it takes a long time to generate good random
:bits.  I have programs that crank out a couple bits per minute, which is
:pretty conservative, but over time that's more than i need.

Sounds like a useful program - interested in posting it to alt.sources?


I don't know if this is an obvious question, but can any of the current
batch of windows accelerator cards (diamond etc) be used to drive a monitor
which has RGB and horizontal and vertical sync ( 5 BNC jacks altogether)
connectors out the back??  I might be able to get ahold of a Raster
Technologies 17" monitor (1510 ??)cheap and I was wondering if it was
possible to connect it via an adapter (RGB to vga ??) to my Gateway, would
I need different drivers etc.

Thanks


There is a guy in NASA Johnson Space Center  that might answer
your question. I do not have his name right now but if you follow
up I can dig that out for you.

C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov


Pardon me if this is the wrong newsgroup.  I would describe myself as
an agnostic, in so far as I'm sure there is no single, universal
supreme being, but if there is one and it is just, we will surely be
judged on whether we lived good lives, striving to achieve that
goodness that is within the power of each of us.  Now, the
complication is that one of my best friends has become very
fundamentalist.  That would normally be a non-issue with me, but he
feels it is his responsibility to proselytize me (which I guess it is,
according to his faith).  This is a great strain to our friendship.  I
would have no problem if the subject didn't come up, but when it does,
the discussion quickly begins to offend both of us: he is offended
because I call into question his bedrock beliefs; I am offended by
what I feel is a subscription to superstition, rationalized by such
circular arguments as 'the Bible is God's word because He tells us in
the Bible that it is so.'  So my question is, how can I convince him
that this is a subject better left undiscussed, so we can preserve
what is (in all areas other than religious beliefs) a great
friendship?  How do I convince him that I am 'beyond saving' so he
won't try?  Thanks for any advice.


Sherzer Methodology!!!!!!


YOU BLASHEPHEMERS!!! YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING IN GOD!!!!  BE
PREPARED FOR YOUR ETERNAL DAMNATION!!!


We are looking for a X client which can convert a xwd or a bitmap
file into a gif file for use on a Macintosh.

	Thanks


What's the difference, in practice?

It amounts to your saying, it's disgusting but should be legal,

***or***

someone else saying, let's allow the parties involved to decide what is
disgusting.

Or, if you're like me, you think that it ISN'T a coercive law, because
some children can't make informed consent.

Brian


I think the original respondent (Guy Dawson?) was refering to something
much more elementary.

Every partition (whether it is the entire disk or not) has two FATs and
an initial directory.

If you have a small disk (50 meg or less), I would recommend that it remain
a single partition. Unless you have some other consideration.

If you have a large disk (greater than 200 meg), multiple partitions can
make sense.


                                            ^^^^

I think it was the IIT people who make the chip the card is based on who hard-coded
the string.

One of the weeklies looked into this an came to the conclusion that the IIT chip
was still pretty fast.

Guy


I offer $100, shipment at seller's expense, payment as personal check
sent by U.S. mail within 24 hours after receiving goods.  I reserve the
right to return the goods, at my expense, if I find them to be defective
or otherwise unacceptable when I receive them (either the merchandise or
the check would be mailed within 24 hours).


Just a little nitpicking. Wasn't it the government that required
a standard railway gauge ? Didn't that improve things ?

Please don't misunderstand. I'm utter suspicious of this Clipper
chip. Why hold the design TOP SECRET ? Was this a work around the
law that says that any discoveries made by people working for the
government is public domain. ( e.g. NIH Class Library, etc. )
DES has its designs published all over the place and it is considered
fairly strong ( although could be stronger ).


A friend of mine has been diagnosed with Psoriatic Arthritis, as a result of
trauma sustained in a car accident several years ago.  The psoriasis is under
control but the arthritis part of the illness is not.

Ansaid (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory) worked pretty well for three years but
isn't helping much now.  My friend is now taking Meclomen (another NSAID) but
this isn't helping control the pain at all.  In the past two months my friend
has also started taking Azulfadine along with the NSAID medicines, but the
effects of the combined drugs aren't supposed to be realized for several months.

As a result of the pain, my friend is having problems sleeping.  Staying in
one position too long is an ordeal.  Another major contributor to pain is that
tendonitis has now developed (left thumb and hand with numbness at the base of
the palm; bottom of feet; shoulders and outer thighs).  The tendonitis is
quite painful yet my friend's doctor has not recommended any form of treatment
to relieve it.

The latest twist is that the doctor has dropped the anti-inflammatories and is
now recommending Prednisone.  The hope is that the Prednisone will relieve some
of the pain from the tendonitis.

My friend is a 41 year old male who feels like he's 80 (his words, not mine).

If anyone is aware of any new treatments for Psoriatic Arthritis, alternative
courses of action, support groups or literature on it, I would be extremely
grateful if you could e-mail to me.  If anyone is interested, I'll post a
summary to this newsgroup.


Proof by assertion!  I love it!  Uh, please explain why the smugglers
do not also rank a notch below (or above) the military in terms
of communications, intelligence gathering (e.g., why fight officials
when you can bribe them..."I'll give you a hundred grand to let that
semi past..."), and firepower.

What's the point here?  You're arguing that the black market
WORKS (which it does, of course).

This is the wrong way to quantify things.  The smuggler would
be concerned about value/cubic foot.  Go to a gun show and
price out a crate of good quality handguns.

What's "local?"

What is a worthwhile firearm?  Hell, anything that WORKS!  Go
get yourself a copy of the Army's 1969 Improvised Munitions Manual.
See how easy it is to make a functional firearm.

If paying $10 for inconspicuous parts at the local K-Mart is
"through the nose."

Drew


Hi Netters
	I want to know if 13500 (w/o tax) is a good deal for 1993 Mazda 626 DX
How is the performance review so far on Mazda 626. Is it a good buy?
Please reply to me as I don't read this group often.

Thanks In advance
Ravi
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