   >Thousands?  Tens of thousands?  Do some arithmetic, please...  Skipjack
   >has 2^80 possible keys.  Let's assume a brute-force engine like that
   >hypothesized for DES:  1 microsecond per trial, 1 million chips.  That's
   >10^12 trials per second, or about 38,000 years for 2^80 trials.  Well,
   >maybe they can get chips running at one trial per nanosecond, and build
   >a machine with 10 million chips.  Sure -- only 3.8 years for each solution.

   But there is a MUCH more pernicious problem with the scheme as
proposed.  Building a brute force machine to test 2^40 possible keys
if you have the other half from one escrow agent is EASY.  (One chip,
one test per microsecond gives you one break every two weeks, and that
break gives you all messages involving that phone.)

   The XOR scheme so that the files from one escrow agent gives you
nothing is an improvement, but notice that XORing with (truely random)
bit strings allows for an arbitrary number of escrow agents.  Using +
for XOR, SK for the escrowed key, and A and B for two random bit
strings, hand SK+A+B, SK+A, and SK+B to three escrow agents.  It is
possible to come with an encoding scheme to match any escrow pattern,
for example 3 of 4, such that fewer cooperating escrow agents gives
the cracking agency no benefit.

--

					Robert I. Eachus


From article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>, by Paul H. Pimentel <PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>:

There is one big difference between Israel and the Arabs, Christians in this
respect.

Israel allows freedom of religion.


	And the Commonwealth of Virginia has not exactly butted
against the issue on those grounds.  The claim is that AS A MATTER
OF TRAFFIC SAFETY one is not allowed to have a functioning radar
detector on the dashboard while operating a motor vehicle.

	Yes, the argument is bogus, BUT... it hasn't been successfully
challenged in court.  Yet.


Here are the standings after game 1 of each of the divisional semi-finals.
(Hey, look who's #4!)  I'll try to post the standings after "each game"
(i.e. every two days).

I managed to recover the email lost up to Saturday night, so all I'm missing
is mail that arrived between early Saturday morning and Sunday afternoon.
Many people re-sent their teams, so you may have received two replies back
from me.  If your team name is not on this list, please resend your team
to me and I'll see what I can do.  Any kind of "proof" you sent it on the
weekend will help your case.  :-)  Seriously, this is only a fun pool and
I trust each person to be honest.

Again, sorry for any inconvenience, and I hope the pool is still fun for you.

	- Andrew

USENET Hockey Playoff Draft Standings

Posn	Team				Pts	Rem	Last Posn

1.	Sneddon Scorers                 43	25	(--)
2.	The Borg                        42	25	(--)
	Dave Wessels                    42	25	(--)
4.	Bruce's Rented Mules            41	25	(--)
	Great Expectations              41	25	(--)
	Hurricane Andrew                41	25	(--)
	Jerky Boys                      41	24	(--)
	Homesick Hawaiian               41	25	(--)
9.	give you money monday           40	25	(--)
	Einstien's Punk Band            40	25	(--)
11.	Zipper Heads                    39	25	(--)
	Tapio Repo                      39	25	(--)
	Detroit Homeboy                 39	25	(--)
	the dead ducks                  39	25	(--)
	Mike Burger                     39	25	(--)
	Test Department                 39	25	(--)
	Team Elvis                      39	25	(--)
	Craig team                      39	25	(--)
19.	Skate or Die                    38	25	(--)
	Debbie Bowles                   38	25	(--)
	Fuzzfaces Galore                38	25	(--)
	suds                            38	25	(--)
	The Campi Machine               38	25	(--)
	zachmans wingers                38	25	(--)
	Sean Forbes                     38	25	(--)
	Threepeat                       38	25	(--)
	Flamming Senators               38	25	(--)
	Team Awesome                    38	25	(--)
	A.P. BURY                       38	25	(--)
	PURDUE RICKS PENS               38	25	(--)
	GB Flyers                       38	25	(--)
	Seppo Kemppainen                38	25	(--)
33.	Paige Faults                    37	25	(--)
	weenies                         37	25	(--)
	chris roney                     37	25	(--)
	Rednecks from Hockey Hell       37	25	(--)
	Dog's Hog's                     37	25	(--)
	Mind Sweepers                   37	25	(--)
	Teem Kanada                     37	25	(--)
	Northern Lights                 37	25	(--)
	Fugazi                          37	25	(--)
	Delaware Destroyers             37	25	(--)
	Mopar Muscle Men                37	25	(--)
	Lance Hill The Boston Bruins Fa 37	25	(--)
	garryola                        37	25	(--)
	Oakville Brothers               37	25	(--)
	Sam & His Dogs                  37	25	(--)
	Cluster Buster                  37	24	(--)
	Jan Stein                       37	25	(--)
	frank's little wankers          37	25	(--)
	Milton Keynes Kings             37	25	(--)
	The promise land                37	25	(--)
	Rangers Of Destiny              37	25	(--)
54.	New Zealand Leafs               36	25	(--)
	Loaded Weapons                  36	25	(--)
	Bloom County All-Stars          36	25	(--)
	Robarts Research Rebels         36	25	(--)
	Tiger Chung Lees                36	25	(--)
	goddess of fermentation         36	25	(--)
	make beliefs                    36	25	(--)
	Rob Del Mundo                   36	25	(--)
	Heikki Salmi                    36	25	(--)
	The Underwriters                36	25	(--)
	Muller n Walker                 36	25	(--)
	Controversy Warriors            36	25	(--)
	Bjorkloven                      36	25	(--)
	Norway Killerwhales             36	25	(--)
	Holsteins SFB                   36	25	(--)
	buffalo soldiers                36	25	(--)
	Lemon Pepper Grizzly Bears      36	25	(--)
	FRACK ATTACK                    36	25	(--)
	Houdini's Magicians             36	25	(--)
	The ^&#@$#$% Rangers of 1940    36	24	(--)
	Rangers Blow                    36	25	(--)
75.	Dave Hiebert                    35	25	(--)
	Yan Loke                        35	25	(--)
	Canadian Gladiators             35	25	(--)
	littlest giants                 35	25	(--)
	Alf's All-Stars                 35	25	(--)
	The Ice Kickers                 35	25	(--)
	Beer Makes Me An Expert         35	25	(--)
	Force 25                        35	25	(--)
	Mr Creosote                     35	25	(--)
	The Goobmeister                 35	25	(--)
	The Mulberry Maulers            35	25	(--)
	Rev's Rebels                    35	25	(--)
	BOSSE                           35	25	(--)
	Zippety Doodah                  35	25	(--)
	Kramer George and Jerry         35	25	(--)
	DehraDun Maawalis               35	25	(--)
	Sludge                          35	25	(--)
	j's rock'em sock'ems            35	25	(--)
	brians bloodletters             35	25	(--)
	Grant Marven                    35	25	(--)
	Arctic Circles                  35	25	(--)
	all the kane's men              35	25	(--)
	trevor's triumph                35	25	(--)
	Mark And Steve Dreaming Again   35	25	(--)
	Goaldingers                     35	25	(--)
	Bjoern Leaguen                  35	25	(--)
	Habs Playing Golf               35	25	(--)
102.	Shigella                        34	25	(--)
	New Jersey Rob                  34	25	(--)
	Steves Superstars               34	25	(--)
	Big Bay Bombers                 34	25	(--)
	Doug Bowles                     34	25	(--)
	Neural Netters                  34	25	(--)
	LIPPE                           34	25	(--)
	Lets Go Pandas                  34	25	(--)
	Les Raisins                     34	25	(--)
	Daves knee jerk picks           34	25	(--)
	Monica Loke                     34	25	(--)
	Jason team                      34	25	(--)
	RENEB                           34	25	(--)
	Schott Shooters                 34	25	(--)
	Gilles Carmel                   34	25	(--)
	Lewey's Lakers                  34	25	(--)
	smithw                          34	25	(--)
	East City Jokers                34	25	(--)
	Daryl Turner                    34	25	(--)
	Doug Mraz                       34	25	(--)
	Skriko Wolves                   34	25	(--)
	IceMachine                      34	25	(--)
	Lamp Lighters                   34	25	(--)
	On Thin Ice                     34	25	(--)
	JOE'S A CRAK HEAD               34	25	(--)
127.	Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta)   33	25	(--)
	Comfortably Numb                33	25	(--)
	Reksa fans of Oulu              33	25	(--)
	Gail Hiebert                    33	25	(--)
	gee man                         33	25	(--)
	But Wait Theres more            33	25	(--)
	marcs maulers                   33	25	(--)
	Danielle Leblanc                33	25	(--)
	Bobby Schmautz Fan Club         33	25	(--)
	Ottawa Bearcats                 33	25	(--)
	Boops Bets                      33	25	(--)
	triple X                        33	25	(--)
	Timo Ojala                      33	25	(--)
	Flying pigs                     33	25	(--)
141.	The Eradicators                 32	25	(--)
	Van Isle Colonists              32	25	(--)
	Commitments                     32	25	(--)
	bure's blur                     32	25	(--)
	Great Scott                     32	25	(--)
	weasels                         32	25	(--)
	Tequila Shooters                32	25	(--)
	Whiters                         32	25	(--)
	Frasses Faceplants              32	25	(--)
	High Stickers                   32	25	(--)
	Mak Paranjape                   32	25	(--)
	Lord Stanley's Favourites       32	25	(--)
	San Jose Mahi Mahi              32	25	(--)
	Oz                              32	25	(--)
	E.I.S                           32	25	(--)
	Mann Mariners                   32	24	(--)
	JFZ Dream Team                  32	25	(--)
	Stacey Ross                     32	25	(--)
	Louisiana Psycho Killers        32	25	(--)
	La Coupe Stainless              32	25	(--)
161.	fighting amish                  31	25	(--)
	Evan Pritchard                  31	25	(--)
	Stanias Stars                   31	25	(--)
	Pens Dynasty                    31	25	(--)
	oceanweavers                    31	25	(--)
	go go gagit                     31	25	(--)
	Myllypuro Hedgehogs             31	25	(--)
	Arm & Hammer                    31	25	(--)
	Legzryx                         31	25	(--)
	Chapman Chaps                   31	25	(--)
	Dean Martin                     31	25	(--)
	Cherry Bombers                  31	25	(--)
173.	Sluggo's Hosers                 30	25	(--)
	Anson Mak                       30	25	(--)
	Knights on a Power Play         30	25	(--)
176.	Canuck Force                    29	25	(--)
	butt ends                       29	25	(--)
	beam team                       29	25	(--)
	JUKURIT                         29	25	(--)
	Chapman Sticks                  29	25	(--)
	Ken De Cruyenaere               29	25	(--)
	gax goons                       29	25	(--)
	Tampere Salami                  29	25	(--)
	Sparky's Select                 29	25	(--)
185.	Hillside Raiders                28	25	(--)
	Eldoret Elephants               28	25	(--)
	Jane's World                    28	25	(--)
	the ALarmers                    28	25	(--)
189.	Rolaids Required                27	25	(--)
	Chip n Dale                     27	25	(--)
	Brian Bergman                   27	25	(--)
192.	Killer Kings                    26	25	(--)
	Montys Nords                    26	25	(--)
194.	Arsenal Maple Leafs             25	18	(--)
	Martin's Gag                    25	25	(--)
196.	Equipe Du Jour                  24	25	(--)
197.	lisa's luggers                  23	25	(--)

--
Andrew Scott                    | andrew@idacom.hp.com
HP IDACOM Telecom Operation     | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253


  Damn right you can't provide any evidence for it.

  Rarely are any widespread social phenomenon reducible to such a
  simple premise.  If they were, psychology would be a hard science
  with roughly the same mathematical soundness as physics.

  Your premise may well be right.  It is much more likely, however,
  that it reflects your socialization and religious background, as
  well as your need to validate your religious beliefs.  Were I to
  pretend to have all the answers (and I don't), I would say that the
  xenophobia, guilt, and intolerance brought about by adherence to
  fundamentalist religions play just as large a role in depressing
  the members of our society.

  Your mileage obviously varies.

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM

They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.


REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION

This is a request for discussion on the creation of a newsgroup
concerning Saab cars.  It will allow participaants to exchange
information on purchasing, maintaining, repairing, and outfitting
Saabs.

Group Name:

	rec.autos.saab

Status:

	Unmoderated

Rationale:

	There may be enough people with Saab cars or interested in
	buying a Saab or interested in knowing more about Saabs for any
	reason to justify such a new newsgroup.  The recent growth of
	the net could improve the turnaround time between posing a
	question and receiving answers from the community.

Discussion:

	Comments on this proposed new newsgroup should be posted to the
	USENET Newsgroup "news.groups".  If the reader is not able to
	do so, comments may be e-mailed to the proposer, at the address
	below.

Voting:

	If no problems arise, voting will start 1 month from the
	posting date of this RFD.

Proposer:

Tommy Reingold          tommy@boole.att.com


I have 2 new SMC 270E ARCNET cards for sale . They are brand new. $50 each


Well they don't export anywhere near 50% of their GNP. Mexico's perhaps
but not their own. They actually export around the 9-10% mark. Similar
to most developed countries actually. Australia exports a larger share
of GNP as does the United States (14% I think off hand. Always likely to
be out by a factor of 12 or more though) This would be immediately obvious
if you thought about it.

It is their import routes that count. They can do without exports but
they couldn't live without imports for any longer than six months if that.

Too true! But one that is unstable and hence a source of serious worry.

Joseph Askew


Auto Logic Panasonic answering machine with dual cassette system. I will
include cassettes and AC power adaptor. Excellent condition. Asking $30 with
accessories.


                     ^^^^^^^^^

Maybe we should ask the 83,103 people who were laid off this January whether
or not we're in a recession. That was a figure that was reported in the
New York Times. There is no official figure, because the Bureau of Labor
Statistics stopped government tracking of layoffs eight months ago due to
budget cuts.

(The above information was published in Harper's Index, Harper's magazine.)


Interesting.  I'd fight the ticket.  First off, there's a 50/50 chance
the cop won't show up.  Secondly, if he does show up, you should point
out that he lied (purgered) on the ticket.  Why 70+?  I beleive that if
yo're charged with going more than 15mph that the posted speed it's a
more severe ticket.  You couldn't have p[ossibly been going 70+, right?!


Being a parent in need of some help, I ask that you bear with me while I
describe the situation which plagues me...

I am a divorced father. Chance would have it that "my weekend" with my
daughter has fallen upon Easter Weekend this year.

Although I am Presbyterian, I had married a Catholic woman. We decided
that the Catholic moray of indoctrination of the spouse into the faith
was too confining (and restrictive due to time as we had already set a
date), and we were married in a Christian Church which was non-denominational.

During the years of our marriage, we did not often attend church.

When our daughter was born, some years later, my wife insisted that she
be baptised as Catholic. This wasn't a problem with me.

During a separation of five years, my ex-wife was taken ill with a disease
that affected her mental capacities. She was confined to a mental ward for
two months before it was diagnosed. It has since been treated "effectively".

In other words, professionals have deemed her a functioning member of society.

During the recuperation, my ex-wife has embraced Buddism. Her influence over
my daughter has been substantial, and has primarily allowed me only Saturday
visitation for a number of years. During this period I have read Bible study
books to my daughter, and tried to keep her aware of her Christian heritage.

Last fall, our divorce was finalized after a year of viscious divorce hearings.
At that time I was awarded visitation rights every other weekend. At that time,
I started taking my daughter to church quite often, although not every weekend.
I did this to attempt to strengthen the Christian ethic and expose her to a
religious community.

Today, Easter Sunday, I took my daughter to church. When it came time for
Communion, my daughter took the bread (The body of Christ) but left the wine
(The blood of Christ) professing that she was too young for wine. She then
balled the bread up in her hand and tried to descretely throw it under the
pew in front of us.

I feel this was a slap in the face to me, my religion, and an afront to her
religious heritage. It can be construed as breaking several of the commandments
if you try. I really felt dishonored by the action.

My daughter is only nine years old, but I think she should have been old and
mature enough to realize her actions. I have difficulty blaming her directly
for religious teachings her mother swears to, but when I discussed this with
my daughter she made it clear she believed in Buddhism and not Christianity.

My initial response of anger (moderated) was to suggest if there is no faith
in Christ then why does she celebrate Easter, or Christmas? I suggested I
would never force her to practice my religious beliefs by celebrating holidays
with her again.

I do not want to "drive her from the fold", and would be willing to allow her
to continue practicing Buddhism (as though I had a choice seeing her only
for two days out of fourteen) but I want her to want to embrace Christianity.

Any suggestions?

If you have a response, please e-mail me a copy. (I'm not a regular reader
of this newsgroup.) (Naturally, feel free to post too!)

Thanks, and I hope you've had a happy Easter.

Drew


grady@netcom.com suggests using a common but restricted-distribution private
key to allow public key system encrypted postings. In theory that will work
fine as long as the privae key remains secure.

In practice it would be a good idea to check to see if that would be a
violation of some net rule, practice, custom, etc. I don't say it would be,
just that it would be a good idea to check. This is not like rot13 where
everybody can have the key trivially.

It would also be a good idea to check to see if such posts would be
forwarded by the sites needed to make the chain work.

Of course there'd be no problem with a discussion group travelling over
facilities entirely under the control of the members. Probably there would
also be no problem with a mailing list approach. It might even  be fun for
some.


But the interesting comparision is how fast clock-cycle chips
you can get - an Alpha is WAY slow at 66 MHz, but blazes at
200 MHz.

But the 68040 is (or will soon be) available in 40 MHz version,
making it "comparable" to a 486DX2-80

I think you have that one turned around; they have faster clock
cycles but less power behind each cycle. Not to mention that the
Intel instruction stream is BYTE-oriented (longest Intel instruction
is 15 bytes; what an odd number :-) which makes it hard to do any
intelligent memory subsystem.

Cheers,

					/ h+
--
 -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --


seningen@maserati.ross.com (Mike Seningen)

  The funny thing about the digital dash (87 T-bird) with the 85mph speedo
limit was that if you pressed the button to convert to kilometers it would
read all the way up to 187kph.  At this point the stock anemic 302 would get
short of breath.  This of course was equivalent to about 116mph (hehe).I bet
I really coulda confused this thing if I'd toyed with the engine and rolled
the stupid thing (the digits were limited to 199).

  I've gotta agree with ya on the analog clock w/digital dash though.  My
girlfriend had a '85 TurboCoupe with a digital clock and analog gauges/radio.
Go figure...

usenet@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu (Usenet Administrator)

  I had a great feature on my T-bird....  I could pull the key out and
leave the ignition on.  This scared the hell out of me the first time it
happened but I kinda grew to like it.  Musta been a bad key copy or
something.

Mark Novakovic


The only ether I see here is the stuff you must
have been breathing before you posted...


Do anyone know about any shading program based on Xlib in the public domain?
I need an example about how to allocate correct colormaps for the program.

Appreciate the help.


m> The latest news seems to be that Koresh will give himself up once he's
m> finished writing a sequel to the Bible.

Also, it's the 16th now.  Can the Feds get him on tax evasion?  I don't
remember hearing about him running to the Post Office last night.


The best group to keep you informed is the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation
of America.  I do not know if the UK has a similar organization.  The
address of
the CCFA is

CCFA
444 Park Avenue South
11th Floor
New York, NY  10016-7374
USA

They have a lot of information available and have a number of newsletters.

Good Luck.


Not necessarily.  It could mean that, or it could mean that he just hit
a lot better at home than he did on the road (see Frank Thomas' home/road
splits in '91 for an example).  I would guess that some of Alomar's split
is due to the Skydome, but most of it is probably due just to coincidence.
There's no way to be sure, of course, but the only hitters the Skydome
seems to regularly help a lot are right handed home run hitters, and
Alomar is not a home run hitter.

Only because of t&P's bogus fielding stats, which rate Alomar as the worst
defensive second baseman in the league.  On a career basis, I think T&P's
fielding stats may mean something, but on a seasonal basis it comes up
with ridiculous results like this.  Alomar may not be the god of fielding
the media says he is, but he sure isn't the worst in baseball.

Offensively, T&P rate Alomar much higher last year.

Regarding the A vs. B argument, I'll just say they're both very good players
with different strengths and a bright future.


I simply wish to thank Dave Mielke (dave@bnr.ca)  for sharing the
tract concerning God's love.  It was most welcome to me and a great
source of comfort.


OK will some one out there tell me why / how DOS 5
can read (I havn't tried writing in case it breaks something)
the Win/NT NTFS file system.
I thought NTFS was supposed to be better than the FAT system


   Are you trying to say that there were no massacres in Deir Yassin
   or in Sabra and Shatila? If so then let me tell you some good jokes:

   There is not and was not any such thing like jewish killing in WWII

   Palestinians just did what Davidians did for fourty years and more.

   In fact no one was killed in any war at any time or any place.

   People die that is all. No one gets killed.

   Maybe also vietamiese didn't die in Vietnam war killed by american
   napalm they were just pyromaniacs and that's all.

   Maybe jews just liked gas chambers and no one forced them to get in there.they
   may be thought it was like snifing cocaine. No?

   What do you think of this ? Isn't it stupid to say so?
   Well it is as stupid as what you said .Next time you want to lie do it
   intelligently.

   Sincerely yours.

   Hassan

Arab civilians did die at Dir yassin. But there was no massacre. First
of all, the village housed many *armed* troops. Secondly, the Irgun
and Stern fighters had absolutely no intentions of killing civilians.
The village was attacked only for its military significance. In fact,
a warning was given to the occupants of the village to leave before
the attack was to begin.

By all rational standards, Dir Yassin was not a massacre. The killing
was unintentional. The village housed Arab snipers and Arab troops.
Thus it was attacked for its military significance. It was not
attacked with intentions of killing any civilians.

To even compare Dir Yassin, in which some 120 or so Arabs died, to the
Holocaust is absurd. The Irgun did not want to kill any civilians. The
village had almost 1000 inhabitants, most of whom survived.


How 'bout some more info on that alleged supernova in M-81?
I might just break out the scope for this one.
____________________________________________________
"No sir, I don't like it! "-- Mr. Horse
Dan Kelo     dkelo@pepvax.pepperdine.edu
____________________________________________________


[]

	"I read an article in the 3/25 Chicago Tribune stating that
	Chrysler is having problems addressing the demand for the 3.5L
	engine for it's LH cars.  Can anyone post how long they are
	waiting for an ordered car or how long they have been told
	they'll have to wait??"

Ordered mine December 30, got it nine weeks later.  But the dealer said
that *new* orders were being held up -- he didn't expect to see any
more 3.5L-engine LHs for awhile.


	At the risk of starting the 'my gun is better than yours' flame
war, I must disagree.

	There is no secret in handling a Glock.  In fact, it is often
chosen (besides its other merits) because it shoots like a revolver does
basically.  It can limit the training time (read budget $$$) due to the
fact there are no 'external' safties other than the trigger, hence less
training time required.

	Smith & Wesson (among other types) are chosen due to the fact taht
they do have the external safties (hammer drop,as well as mag drop) which
if properly used have saved many lives when 'Mr. Bad' snatched the gun
from the officer and tried to shoot said officer the gun was on safe and
would not fire.  This point had been made in many articles in various
gun magazines.  If fact, one author (can't remember who) staged a little
test where he had a revolver and a S&W on safe laying on a table and asked
people with little firearms experience to on his signal, grab the gun and
shoot a target.  He timed the people using each gun.  The revolver times
were pretty close, but some of the times with the S&W were in minutes, or
the person just gave up because they could not figure out the saftey.

	You don't often see Colt 45 autos issued due to the light trigger
which can be accidentally fired in a stress situation, opening the issuing
city,county, etc.. to lawsuits, bad press, etc..

	Of course any problem can be overcome with enough training, but
such training is not always available to budget crunched departments.  I
know if I were a Cop I would want something like a S&W just for the off
chance of the gun getting taken away.  The safety doesn't guarantee that
'Mr. Bad' won't figure it out and shoot me, but it could buy enough time
to draw a second gun and shoot 'Mr. Bad' before it's too late.

	Don't think I am too biassed here just because I have had 3 Glocks
in my possession at one time, because I have had a .45 as well.  In fact,
it was my first handgun.  Remember, the ultimate 'safety' is YOU the
operator, and no safety is going to stop an negligent discharge (note I
don't say accidental) if you break the rules of gun handling.

	As per the part of being light weight and looking cool, I agree
100%.  I wouldn't rule it out as a first purchase.


->     >Now let me get this straight. After a nice, long rant about
->     >how people need to take personal responsibility for their
->     >economic and social lives, all of a sudden 1960's radicals
->     >(such as me, I guess) are responsible for poor people's
->     >lifestyles? Tell me how that works--or do you think that poor
->     >people are just too dumb to think for themselves?
->     >
->     >There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family
->     >and support systems in general among this nation's poor.
->     >Somehow I don't think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at
->     >the top of any sane person's list.
->     >
->     >You want to go after my generation's vaunted cultural
->     >revolution for a lasting change for the worse, try so-called
->     >"relevant" or "values" education. Hey, it seemed like a good
->     >idea at the time. How were we to know you needed a real
->     >education first--I mean, we took that for granted.
->
-> The 1960's generation were the most spoiled and irresponsible.
->
-> The Depression had create mothers and fathers that were determined that their
-> kids would not want for anything -- going overboard and creating a nation of
-> brats.
->
-> Consider the contrast between two famous events in July of 1969.
->
-> Apollo 11 and Woodstock.
->
-> Which group had large numbers of people that could not feed themselves and
-> reverted to the cultural level of primitives (defecation in public etc.).
->
-> And which group assembled, took care of itself, and dispersed with no damage,
-> no deaths, no large numbers of drug problems ....
->

	Wasn't Woodstock also called the biggest parking lot in
history?  They rejected society and went back to nature in their
parent's cars.


: >: English cars:-
: >
: >: Rover, Reliant, Morgan, Bristol, Rolls Royce, etc.
: >                  ^^^^^^
: >   Talk about Harleys using old technology, these
: >Morgan people *really* like to use old technology.

: Well, if you want to pick on Morgan, why not attack its ash (wood)
: frame or its hand-bent metal skin (just try and get a replacement :-)).
: I thought the kingpost suspension was one of the Mog's better features.

Hey!  I wasn't picking on Morgan.  They use old technology.  That's all
I said.  There's nothing wrong with using old technology.  People still
use shovels to dig holes even though there are lots of new powered implements
to dig holes with.


You forgot the smiley-face.

I can't believe this is what they turn out at Berkeley.  Tell me
you're an aberration.


I can't say for sure with the IIvx -> C650 upgrade, but I wondered the
same thing when I ordered my LC -> LC III upgrade.  Turns out the "upgrade"
is actually an entire CPU minus any disk drives.  You pull the floppy and
hard drives out of the old one, stick them in the new one, and you've got
an LC III.

The IIvx -> C650 may be the same thing.

It might be something to look into for those people who are unhappy that
Apple only sells Macs pre-packaged with the drives.  Of course, the price
is quite a bit higher without the trade-in...


Whatabout, Schools, Universities, Rich Individuals (around 250 people
in the UK have more than 10 million dollars each). I reecieved mail
from people who claimed they might get a person into space for $500
per pound. Send a skinny person into space and split the rest of the money
among the ground crew!
Agreed. I volunteer for any UK attempts. But one clause: No launch methods
which are clearly dangerous to the environment (ours or someone else's). No
usage of materials from areas of planetary importance.

Yes: We should *do* this rather than talk about it. Lobby people!
The major problem with the space programmes is all talk/paperwork and
no action!


Word 2.0c doesn't show the period-centred character to indicate
spaces if I use the TTFonts from CorelDraw.  Our editors need to
be able to see how many spaces are in text but the character
displayed is a large hollow box.  They overlap each other and
characters on each side, which is useless.

I believe the character used by W4W is the period-centred (0183).
This character shows up with the windows Charmap display as the
hollow box which tends to confirm this.  I have edited the corel
font with Fontmonger and changing the font graphics for the 0183
character makes no difference to the font output in Charmap or W4W.
Altering the paragraph (0182) or cedilla (0184) does alter their font
graphics displayed however!!

Is the W4W character used to indicate spaces the period-centred
character?  Has anyone been able to get this character displayed
from a CorelDraw TTF?


and
and

about Coca-Cola and Pepsi Cola and what they can teach us.

Surely, if we must use pop patent law examples to discuss RC2 and RC4,
it would make more sense to consider the case of RC Cola?


Exactly.

C. S. Lewis has taken a couple of pretty severe hits in this group lately.
First somebody was accusing him of being self-righteous and unconvincing.
Now we are told that we Christians should be embarrassed by him. (As well
as by Josh McDowell, about whom I have no comment, having never read his
work.)

Anyone who thinks that C. S. Lewis was self-righteous ought to read his
introduction to The Problem of Pain, which is his theodicy. In it, he
explains that he wanted to publish the book anonymously. Why? Although he
believed in the argument he was presenting, he did not want to seem to
presume to tell others how brave they should be in the face of their own
suffering. He did not want people to think that he was presenting himself
as some kind of model of fortitude, or that he was anything other than what
he considered himself to be -- "a great coward."

OFM has adequately handled the question of whether we ought to be
embarrassed by Lewis' liar/lunatic/lord argument (which, by the way, is
part of a *much* bigger discourse.) I would just like to add that, far from
being embarrassed by Lewis, I am in a state of continual amazement at the
soundness and clarity of the arguments he presents.

- Phil -


Yes, "Clipper" is a trademark of Intergraph.  Its the RISC chip used
in some of thier workstations.

I wonder what Intergraph is going to do to this infringement on thier
name sake?


-=> Quoting Cire Y. Trehguad to All <=-
 : >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded,
 : >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other
 : >team captain trivia would be appreciated.
 CYT> ;
 CYT> : Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to
 CYT> : Pittsburgh?

 CYT> And Rick Tochett was the captain of the Flyers when traded to the Pens
 CYT> recently...

 CYT> Caleb

 CYT> And let us not forget that the New Jersey Devils traded
 CYT> captain Kirk Muller for Stephen Richer and Chorske

 CYT> Man I hated that trade!

        Well as for team captains being traded
        in there first year in the NHL the
        Edmonton Oilers traded their captain
        Ron Chiperfield to the Quebec Nordique
        right at the trading deadline for
        Goaltender Ron Lowe
        In their second year of existence
        The Edmonton Oilers again right at the trade
        deadline traded their captain, this time
        B.J. McDonald to the Vancouver Canucks
        along with the rights to winger Ken
        Berry for Garry Lariviere and the rights
        to Lars Gunner Petterson

        as for more captain trivia, the next Edmonton
        captain was Lee Fogilin who was later traded to
        the Buffalo Sabres, after him was Wayne Gretzky
        who was traded to L A, then came Kevin Low who
        only this year was traded to the N Y Rangers
        so that every captain the Edmonton Oilers have had
        has been traded.

        The present captain is Craig McTavish and we'll
        just have to wait and see.

        well talk to you later

        Steve


 I hate to  admit this but there does seem to be some sort of twisted logic
to this approach. It's the bikers against the world and the dogs are just
another worthless adversary. So remember to wear at least calf height leather
boots, ( in case the dog gets lucky and sinks his teeth into your
attacking foot) and go for the gusto, If that dog doesn't retreat from the
street with his tail between his legs next time you see it then you really
haven't done your bit for all your fellow bikers.

Sorry I can't go this far, A dog against and armored cage just doesn't
seem like a fair fight.

after all it is a dog eat dog world


Wow.  So that's probably the reason why current assistant coach Drew Ramenda
hinted that he won't be back.  Thanks for the news, Mikko; can you (or any
of our Finnish netters) comment on Tichonov?


Well, simply put, drinking is irrelavent.  Driving drunk is indefensable and
unforgivable.  There is a large differnece.

But, then, with an attitude like yours, I expect you'll be dead soon.  I just
hope you don't take a human being out with you.


 *This is what kills me:

*******************************************************************************
Speaking of "die hard", that's what I did when I read this, died hard
laughing!

Toronto, to the Cup finals???

First of all, has anyone on the planet heard of the team from Detroit?  Al
Morgani (or however you spell the idiot's name) must be from Chicago,
because on ESPN, he said "it's not even close--Chicago will definatly win
the Norris Division in the Playoffs, no other team is close."  Everyone is
picking Chicago!  I don't get it, he says it's an "easy choice"?
God, Chicago was 1-4-1 against the Wings, and they won the division by a
point or two, followed closely by Toronto, who is also a good team!
As for the Leafs beating Detroit--doubt it, but even if they do, they
aren't going to get by Chicago.  If (even more amazingly) they get past the
Hawks, they would probably face Vancouver, and lose.
As for The Habs reaching the Finals, forget it.  Even I, as a devoted Wings
fan, will watch the Penguins easily three-peat as Cup winners.  Lemieux,
Jagr, Tocchet, Stevens, and Barrasso, its a done deal.  Sorry Detroit, wait
til next year.
But hey, these were Paul's picks, and everyone has a right to their own
opinnions, but the Leafs to the Finals??? Yeah. If they make it there, I'll
walk to Toronto to get some tickets, and that's a 700 mile walk!

--Ryan--


According to my TI databook, the pinouts for the TIL311 display are as
follows:

 Pin 1 - LED supply voltage
 Pin 2 - Latch data input B
 Pin 3 - Latch data input A
 Pin 4 - Left decimal point cathode
 Pin 5 - Latch strobe input
 Pin 6 - Omitted
 Pin 7 - Common ground
 Pin 8 - Blanking input
 Pin 9 - Omitted
 Pin 10 - Right decimal point cathode
 Pin 11 - Omitted
 Pin 12 - Latch data input D
 Pin 13 - Latch data input C
 Pin 14 - Logic supply voltage, Vcc

The logic supply voltage is 5V @ 60-90mA. The LED supply is also 5V, but
it need not be particularly well regulated. The LED drivers on the chip
use a constant current source, so LED intensity is not affected by the
supply voltage.

--


ok, i have a 486dx50(ISA) w/ Diamond Stealth VRAM 1MB.
I was really satisfied w/ its performance in windows.
but now more and more games needs higher frame rates in DOS' VGA,
especially this new Strike Commander. ;-)
this stealth vram can only give me 17.5 fps. ;-( (i use 3dbench).
my winmark was 6.35 million, i think.

so right now i'm considering to replace it w/ a new card, which hopefully
can perform approx same w/ my current VRAM in windows and also
can perform DOS' VGA preferably >30fps.

i also saw the 3dbench benchmark list from someone who compiled it
in csipg and it looked that SpeedStar 24X and Orchid Prodesigner 2d-s
ware the fastest for non local bus motherboard.
both can give >30fps in DOS' VGA w/ 486dx2/66.
Does anyone have a winmarks for both of those cards above with the processor
type ? which one is the worthiest(not necessarily fastest)?
any other card recommendation is welcomed too.

also, if possible, where can i get 'this' card for the cheapest? ;-)

thanks in advance, folks!


[horror story about FBI ruining a guy's life for the hell of it omitted]

So, is this a real story or a work of fiction?  How about some
sources?  When, where, and in what newspaper did you get all this
from?  Or is it all hypothetical?


I'd bet the price of the helmet that it's okay...From 6 feet
or higher, maybe not.

I'd wear the full facer, but then, I'd be *way* more worried
about wind blast in the face, and inability to hear police
sirens, than the helmet being a little damaged.

Well, my next helmet will be, subject to it fitting well, an AGV
sukhoi. That's just because I like the looks. My current one is
a Shoei task5, and it's getting a little old, and I crashed in
it once a couple of years ago (no hard impact to head...My hip
took care of that.). If price was a consideration I'd get
a Kiwi k21, I hear they are both good and cheap.

Be *mildly* mildly paranoid about the helmet, but don't get
carried away. There are people on the net (like those 2% you
mentioned) that do not consistently live on our planet...

Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350


...

I tried to respond by email, but all attempts bounced.

The condition of the Ctrl key BEFORE you press the mouse button makes no
difference whatsoever.  You have to be holding the Ctrl key when you
RELEASE the mouse button if you want to force a copy operation.

Here's a simple experiment.  Select a file and begin to drag it (no Ctrl
key).  Notice that the file's icon disappears from the listing window.  Now
watch what happens to that icon as you press and release the Ctrl key
(keeping the mouse button pressed all the while).  In addition, the icon
that you are dragging will show a "+" while you are holding the Ctrl key,
indicating that the file is being copied rather than moved.


Anyone familiar with this video card? What chipset does the winjet use - S3?
As I am in the market for a VLG video card, what is the best chipset among
S3, Cirrus Logic and Tseng Lab (ATI is out of the question - too expensive) ?


Re: Problems with S3-initialization

As described the manual the following steps must be done for th initialization
of the S3 card.

InitDisplay;
	(*BIOS-Call
		with AX-Reg = 4F02H
		with BX-Reg = 105H for 1024 x 768 x 256 resolution
		Interrupt 10H *)
Unlock Register Lock 1 (CR38)
	(* For access to S3 Register Set *)
Unlock Register Lock 2 (CR39)
	(* For access to Syst. Control and Syst. Extension Register *)
Unlock Graphic Command Group (CR40)
	(* Set Bit 0 to 1 in Syst. Configuration Register *)
Unlock Advanced Display Functions
	(* Set Bit 0 to 1 in Function Control Register *)

After these operations the FIFO-stack of the S3 should be empty.
When we watch the status (Graph. Proc. Status), we always get
the value 0FH instead of 0H.
Full would mean 0FFH (8 places occupied), empty would mean 0H
(0 places occupied).

It is possible to read this register in two different ways.
Both times we get different results.

Our machine is a 486 DX/2 with EISA bus and a S3 86C805 local bus.

--> any ideas?


What do you mean "more comfortable putting it up to."  That seems a bit
hard to evaluate.  At least for me it is.

Stare straight Point with both hands together and clasp so that only the
pointer fingers are pointing straight forward to a a spot on the wall about
eight feet away.  First stare at the spot with both eyes open.  Now
close your left eye.  Now open your left eye.  Now close your right eye.
now open your right eye.

If the image jumped more when you closed your right eye, you are right
eye dominant.

If the image jumped more when you closed your left eye, you are left eye
dominant.


I too would like a 3D graphics library!  How much do C libraries cost
anyway?  Can you get the tools used by, say, RenderMan, and can you get
them at a reasonable cost?

Sorry that I don't have any answers, just questions...


Ahhh, the classic Truth By Blatant Assertion technique.  Too bad it's
so demonstrably false.  Take a look at Great Britain sometime for a
nice history on drug criminalization.  The evidence there shows that
during periods of time when drugs (such as heroin) were illegal, crime
went up and people did die from bad drugs.  During times when drugs
were legalized, those trends were reversed.

Now this is a great example of an ironclad proof.  Gosh, I'm convinced.
( :-} for the humor impaired).  First, assert something for which you
have no evidence, then dodge requests for proof by claiming to know
what this group was intended for.  As to research, if you'd done any
at all, you'd realize that there is plenty of reason to believe that
legalizing drugs will have many benefits to society.  There are some
plausible arguments against it, too, but they aren't enough to convince
me that criminalization of drugs is the answer.  I'm willing to be
convinced I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt the likes of you can do it.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
...Dale Cook    "Any town having more churches than bars has a serious
                   social problem." ---Edward Abbey
The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's)


	This doesn't handle superencrypted traffic. If the clipper
doesn't impose any unfortunate performance side-effects there's no
reason not to use it to superencrypt a stream of triple-DES encrypted
traffic. That way your traffic looks "normal" and perhaps anyone
desiring to listen in won't even bother, since they know nobody's
going to really trust crypto that has classified internals for
important stuff.


 >In article <1993Apr19.020359.26996@sq.sq.com>, msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)

MB>                                                             So the
MB> 1970 figure seems unlikely to actually be anything but a perijove.

JG>Sorry, _perijoves_...I'm not used to talking this language.

Couldn't we just say periapsis or apoapsis?


& Can somebody tell me what all the letter spesifications on motorcycle models
& really mean.
& Example: What means the C, the B and the R in Honda CBR. - Or the V, S, G, L
& and P in Suzuki VS750GLP

Honda:  a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4, "VT" for V-twin.
"CB" is a street bike with an parallel twin or inline 4-cylinder engine.
"R" used to mean race bike, but is now also used to mean sport bike.
"CL" was for the old steet scramblers-street bikes with high pipes
"CM" was a "custom" street bike
"CR" is dirt only two strokes
"XL" is dual purpose bike
"XR" was dirt only four stroke, but now can be a dual purpose bike if it has
an "L" as a suffix.
"GL" is a touring bike


)
)That's your mistake.  It would be better for the children if the mother
)raised the child.
)
)One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say "Mom",
)because of the love of their mom.  It makes for more virile men.
)Compare that with how homos are raised.  Do a study and you will get my
)point.
)
)But in no way do you have a claim that it would be better if the men
)stayed home and raised the child.  That is something false made up by
)feminists that seek a status above men.  You do not recognize the fact
)that men and women have natural differences.  Not just physically, but
)mentally also.
) [...]
)Your logic.  I didn't say americans were the cause of worlds problems, I
)said atheists.
) [...]
)Becuase they have no code of ethics to follow, which means that atheists
)can do whatever they want which they feel is right.  Something totally
)based on their feelings and those feelings cloud their rational
)thinking.
) [...]
)Yeah.  I didn't say that all atheists are bad, but that they could be
)bad or good, with nothing to define bad or good.
)

  Awright!  Bobby's back, in all of his shit-for-brains glory.  Just
  when I thought he'd turned the corner of progress, his Thorazine
  prescription runs out.

  I'd put him in my kill file, but man, this is good stuff.  I wish
  I had his staying power.

  Fortunately, I learned not to take him too seriously long,long,long
  ago.

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM

They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.


[ ... ]

Then it also supports basing such regulations on ignorance.

Miller had disappeared, and nobody bothered to present _his_
side to the Supreme Court -- in particular, that sawed-off
shotguns were used in the World War I trenches, and in other
tight spots ever since guns had been invented.  Would _you_
turn one down if you had to "clean" an alley in E. St. Louis?


I recently purchased a Diamond Stealth 24 Video card and received
the wrong drivers.  Does anyone know where I can ftp the proper
drivers?  The dstlth file at cica does not work with
this video card.  Please respond to doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu


W.K. Gorman:

<3>> Maybe now's the time for us, the NRA, GOA, CCRTKBA, SAF, et al to band
<3>> together and buy CNN as *our* voice. Wouldn't that be sumpin....broadcast
<3>> the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro-gun item or two..

<3>I would like to see this happen. I don't think it will. I don't
<3>think the average gun-owner will take any notice of what is happening
<3>until they break down HIS door.

<3>BUT I will go on record publicly to the effect that I will contribute a
<3>minimum of $1,000.00 to the buy-out fund if it can be organized and made
<3>viable. Anybody else want to put their money where their mouth is?  :)
<3>There ar 50+ MILLION gun owners out there. If - and it's a big and
<3>not very realistic if - we got hold of CNN, the anti-gun bullshit would
<3>STOP RIGHT THERE. Why won't it happen - because nobody will get off their
<3>ass and MAKE it happen. Nuts.

Any NRA headquarters weenies listening to this man. Any RTKBA organization
honcho listening. It's time to stop fighting the Brady's and the Schumer's
(now there's an interesting meaning to the acronynm BS) from the comfort
of the office....we had better get serious with our time and money and get
after it or we might just as well pack it in now.
---
 . OLX 2.2 . Gun control advocates must have had a sanity by-pass!


Posting for a friend.  Reply to him, not to me.

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So where was she?  And would she consider staying there?
--


This isn't inherently bad.

This isn't really light pollution since it will only
be visible shortly before or after dusk (or during the
day).

(Of course, if night only lasts 2 hours for you, you're probably going
to be inconvienenced. But you're inconvienenced anyway in that case).

Finally: this isn't the Bronze Age, and most of us aren't Indo
European; those people speaking Indo-Eurpoean languages often have
much non-indo-european ancestry and cultural background. So:
please try to remember that there are more human activities than
those practiced by the Warrior Caste, the Farming Caste, and the
Priesthood.

And why act distressed that someone's found a way to do research
that doesn't involve socialism?

It certianly doesn't mean we deserve to die.


   Hmm ... Turks sure know how to keep track of deaths, but they seem to
lose count around 1.5 million.


@>>
@>>Has anyone had any experience with GEICO's extended
@>>warranty plan.  It seems to be slightly less expensive than
@>>the normal dealer-sponsored policy.
@>>
@>and once again....*never* buy extended warranties....they are a complete and
@>total ripoff period!!!!  you are better off taking your money and putting it
@>
in a bank and using that money for repairs.  many extended warranties never
@>pay or have co-payments etc.
@>

How many people will actually put that money in the bank and keep it there for the
sole use of a automotive repair......maybe for people who have a hard time saving
money or don't want the hassle of  worrying about paying for everything the
extended warranty is worth it.....for some people it is worth it...others not, and
for some the peace of mind knowing you won't have too many unexpected expenses
is enough.....if you drive a lot, your basic warranty can be up in a little longer than
a year....how many people can make the car payments as well as large repairs....

It may work for some people......

Andrew

--


I think your experiences under the Bulgarian regime are highly relevant.
We have too many people with their heads in the sand saying it cannot
happen here, as our Constitutional Rights are being trashed every day
because the government justifies doing some end-run around the protections
by a 'crisis' requiring 'drastic action'.   It is most likely that in the
future possession of secure encryption tools will be regarded as possession
of 'terrorist and drug dealers tools', and be some serious Fedaral Felony.
Just like common tools are 'burgular tools' if the police say so, common
computer programs (even computers themselves) are now 'hackers tools',
and will become 'terrorist tools'.  BET ON IT.

The insights of someone who has lived throught this are very important.
If the US goes the way of the old Soviet Union and its client states
as far as individual rights, privacy and overall freedom are concerned,
the rest of the world (remember 'New World Order'?) will not be far
behind - only a few years.

Please keep posting anything you find that is deficient or that threatens
ones rights in this thing.

For example, a conversation between a suspect and a lawyer will no longer
be private from Big Brother eavesdropping.  Political dissent allready
is very dangerous in this country, all it takes is the government to
decide that enough people will take one seriously, then one becomes
guilty of 'plotting to overthrow the government by illegal means'.  The
phrase 'illegal means' is defined as whatever the government wants it
to be defined as.

Couple this with Clinton's pressing for a 'smart' National ID card (an
'Internal passport'?), with the added wrinkle that anything about you and
your past can be put on it, and you can only take the government's
word as to what is really on it (since they will be the only ones
with the means to completely read and reprogram the thing).  Isn't
that nice?

While the Feds can bust into one's safe without the keys, the owner
knows his safe has been broken into.  When they break into your 'secure'
phone conversations (or other stored/transmitted data in the near future)
you have no way of knowing, so accountability as to the legalities has
gone out the window.  Just like a safe, if they have a legal cause, they
can get the keys from the suspect, just like they can get the keys to
a safe or the combination from the suspect.  Same with encryption:
Record everything, get the warrants, THEN decode it with the keys
obtained from the suspect.

This Clinton Cripple, along with its natural extensions, will make any
priviliged communications between client and lawyer, and any meaningful
political dissent virtually impossible.  Which is the general idea.
Any propeganda about its being secure, and the safeguards, and all
of that are just that - propeganda to reassure people so they will
by into this monstrosity.  DON'T BE SUCKERED.

BIG BROTHER IS LISTENING!!!


I bought a Bernoulli 90pro drive last year after comparing it with lots of
 diffrent storage solutions,
OPTICAL drives are SLOW, very slow compared to 13 to 19ms access of Bernoulli.

Since I needed additinol online storage (rather than just a backup or archiev
e disk), I choosed Bernoulli drive. I use Adobe Preimere and Quicktime movies
alot. you ran out of storage real fast.

IMHO, the best buy currently is the Bernoulli 150Multidisk. 150MB per cartridge


I am posting this for a friend.  Please do not respond to me.  Thanks.

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For an all out sports car, I'd go for the RX-7 without the sports
suspension (which is too stiff.)  For a little more practicality and more
comfort, the Nissan 300ZX Turbo is a good buy.  And for a good dose of
luxury, the Lexus SC300 is perfect (with a manual transmission of course.)
However, the Toyota Supra is coming out soon and if you like it's looks,
the performance is supposed to be great, almost race car like.  I don't
particulary like the Mitsubishi 3000GT's or the Dodge Stealths as they are
too heavy and aren't very nimble handlers for a sports car.
--
A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA
Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.


Version 1.3 of Xew widgets is available at

	export.lcs.mit.edu: contrib/Xew-1.3.tar.Z
	export.lcs.mit.edu: contrib/Xew-1.3.README

For better details, check the README. (For extensive details, you have
to with Xew-1.1.ps.Z, still haven't had time to update this one).

No new functionality has been added since 1.2 version. Raster widget
handles now expose events slightly more intelligently than before
(really had to do this when I added a simple program that uses X11R5
Athena Porthole and Panner widgets). The program demo/viewer.c is
very simple demonstration of panner/porthole usage (copied
from'editres' actually :-)


My company has developed an application for the Mac that emulates a chart
recorder - virtual pen traces scroll smoothly across the screen.  As we
tested the application on a number of computers we discovered some
surprising performance differences across products.  The scroll performance
of the IIsi and LCII was better than the IIfx. This led us to investigate
Color Quickdraw performance across the Apple line.

The results:

The fastest QuickDraw color performing computer Apple makes is the
(drumroll please) LCIII.  And the Color Classic ranks right up there with
the Quadra line.  The Centris line pales in comparison.

Does anybody know the differences in these computers that explains the
disparity in graphics/processor performance?


  Currently, there is a bill before the Texas legislature that would make it
legal for some ordinary folks to carry concealed weapons.  I don't have the
details, sorry.

semper fi,


A shareware graphics program called Pman has a filter that makes a picture
look like a hand drawing.  This picture could probably be converted into
vector format much easier because it is all lines. (With Corel Trace, etc..)


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I would like to share with netters a few points I picked up from the PBS
    Frontline program regarding Iran's nuclear activities, aired on Tuesday
    April 13. For the sake of brevity, I'll present them in some separate
    points.

    1- As many other western programs, this program was laid on a bed of
    misinformation throughout the program, to maximize the effect of the
    program on the viewer. Some of the misinformations were as follows:

    - It was alleged that:" Late Imam Khomeini objected to Shah's technological
    advancements as anti-Islamic, but now things have changed and the proof of
    change is that some Iranian merchants are now selling personal computers. "!
    These are the most ridiculous lies, one can make about the objectives
    of the Islamic Revolution in toppling the Shah and state of the technology
    in Iran after revolution.

    -Iran was equally accused of using chemical weapons against Iraqi aggressors
    while there has never been any proof in this regard, and nobody has seen
    Iraqi soldiers or civilians injured by Iranian chemical weapons, in
    contrary to what the whole world has seen about Iranian soldiers and
    civilians, injured by Iraqi chemical weapons.

    - While the number of martyrs during the sacred defense against Iraqi
    aggression has been officially announced to be about 117,000 and even most
    radical counter-revolutionary groups claim that Iran and Iraq had a total
    of one million dead, this program claims that Iran alone has one million
    dead left from the war.

    - The translation of Iranian officials' talks are not 100% true. For
    example when Iranian head of Atomic Energy says that: " It hurts me to
    see that Iran is the subject of these unfriendly propaganda." The
    research."!

    2- Almost all alleged devices or material bought or planned to be bought
    by Iranians were of countless dual usage, while the program tries to
    undermine their non-military uses, without any reference to Iran's
    big population and its inevitable need to other sources of energy in
    near future and its current deficit in electrical power.

    3- The whole program is trying to show the Sharif University of
    Technology as a nuclear research center, while even the cameramen of the
    program know well that in a country like Iran without a so tightly closed
    society no one can make a nuclear bomb in a university! Taking in account
    the scientific advancement of Sharif U. in engineering fields and its
    potential role in improvement of Iran's industries and eventually the
    lives of people, it is obvious that they are persuading other countries
    to prevent them from further helping this university or other ones
    in scientific and industrial efforts.

    4- A key point in program's justifications is trying to disvalidate as
    much as possible all efforts done by IAEA [*] in their numerous visits from
    Iran's different sites. They say: "We are not sure if the places visited
    by IAEA are the real ones or not" !, or " We can not rely on IAEA's
    reports and observation, because they failed to see Iraq's nuclear
    activities before" as if they didn't know that Iraq was trying to build
    nuclear weapons!

    5- As an extremely personal opinion, the most disgusting aspect of the
    program was the arrogance of the member of US Senate foreign Affairs,
    William Triplet, in his way of talking, as if he was the god talking
    from the absolute knowledge!

       I hope all Iranians be aware of the gradual buildup against their
    country in western media, and I hope Iranian authorities continue to
    their wise and calculated approach with regard to international affairs
    and peaceful coexistence with friendly nations.

Mohammad


If this is any surprise to you, *I'm* shocked.


Say, you bought your Saturn at $13k, with a dealer profit of $2k.
If the dealer profit is $1000, then you would only be paying $12k for
the same car.  So isn't that saving money?

Moreover, if Saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by $1000,
then their cars will be even better deals.  Say, if the price of a Saturn was
already $1000 below market average for the class of cars, then after they
reduce the dealer profit, it would be $2000 below market average.  It will:

1) Attract even more people to buy Saturns because it would SAVE THEM MONEY.

2) Force the competitors to lower their prices to survive.

Now, not only will Saturn owners benefit from a lower dealer profit, even
the buyers for other cars will pay less.

Isn't that saving money?


No, the poster (me) has his brain in the wrong gear.  As you can infer
from the first sentence, I meant the consequences of no backup are *better*
than the consequences of an easy to copy database.


Also would maybe get the Russians Involved. After all they do have the resources
to do it in part.. But they need the capital and the goal..

I wonder if renting the russians resources would be a disqualification?


I currently use a window manager called ctwm which
is very similar to hp's vuewm. (i.e.
it has multiple workspaces).  Is there a
motif based window manager that has this
same feature and is not a memory pig like vue?

mike


  Actually, what I think has become more evident, is that you are determined to
  flaunt your ignorance at all cost.  Jagr did not have a better season than
  Francis ... to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of
  hockey knowledge.  Save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty
  plus/minus ... it is the most misleading hockey stat available.

  Until the NHL publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice
  time per game and some measure of its "quality" (i.e., is the player put out
  in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game; is he matched up
  against the other team's top one or two lines; short-handed, etc), I would
  much rather see the +/- disappear altogether instead of having its dubious
  merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications.

  Brad

--
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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  Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy
  #129-2219 Main Mall                      PHONE: (604)822-6722
  University of British Columbia           FAX:   (604)822-6047
  Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
  V6T 1Z4


Unless otherwise noted, I am mainly interested in USED items.
If you have (any of) the following for sale, please contact me:
        EMail           mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu
        Phone           (703)552-4381
        USMail          Michael Beck
                        1200 Progress Street #5500E
                        Blacksburg, Virginia 24060

Please give as much info as possible (brand, age, condition, etc)
~~~~~~~~~~WANTED as of 12AM, 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~

COMPUTER EQUIP:

1       CHEAP tape drive - pretty much any kind (Used)

1       Memory for PS/2 Model 50Z (New or Used)

1       Macintosh computer

1       486 66mhz chip (New or Used)

1       COLORADO tape drive, 250 megabyte, preferr. w/ 5 tapes (Used)

1       101 key-AT keyboard

1       High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive

1       Printer - OMS410 or HP LASER or HP DESKJET series

1       Printer - 24 pin or DESKJET

1       High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive EXTERNAL

1       Adaptec 1542 SCSI 16-bit HD/FD controller (Used)

1       Piggy back memory expansion for INTEL INBOARD 386

1       130 MB IDE Hard Drive

2       17" monitor, 1280 resolution, .28 dot pitch or better, digital

NON-COMPUTER EQUIP:

1       drum set

mult.   amps for a band

1       TV - 27" or bigger, stereo

1       VCR - 4 Heads, stereo

1       Receiver - 100 Watts or more w/ Dolby Prologic Surround Sound
                capability

1       Bed - Full or Queen sized - LOCAL OFFERS only, please


		     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is this Tony Esposito?  If memory serves me correctly, Chicago.  God I
hope I am right, otherwise I will never hear the end of it. ;-)

--
    Keith Keller				LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
						LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!
	kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu		IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!


In the Bible, there are a lot of instances where God speaks
to people, where a person just "came to know" some piece
of information, where a person walks off into the desert
for "40 days", etc. With all of God's power He certainly can
do whatever He wants when He wants it. The Bible "ends"
with the book of Revelations. But does God's reign end there ? No.
So who can say for sure that God's messages are either no longer
happening or still happening ?

I can now hear the clamor for proof. 8-)
With the cold response I've gotten from the past from this
group, it's very hard to get the point across. I'll only
go over the physical stuff so that skeptics can look
at documents stored somewhere. I've cited the uncorrupted
bodies of saints before. They're still there. 8-)
The apparitions at Fatima, Portugal culminated in a miracle
specifically granted to show God's existence. That was
the spinning/descending of the sun. It was seen in several
countries. That event is "approved" by the Pope. Currently,
images of Mary in Japan, Korea, Yugoslavia, Philippines, Africa
are showing tears (natural or blood). These are still under
investigation by the Church. But realize that investigations
take decades to finish. And if the message is Christ will come
in ten days, that's a bit too late, isn't it 8-).
Other events under investigation are inner locutions ("coming
to know"), stigmata (the person exhibits Christ's wounds. And
they don't heal. And doctor's don't know why).
Non-believers are welcome to pore through documents, I'm sure.

This stuff is not like Koresh. Or Oral Roberts (give me $5M
or God will call me home). It's free. Find out why they're
happening (as we ourselves are studying why). If anybody
can figure this out, tell us ! You can be of any religion.
If you have the resources, go to one of the countries I mentioned.
These are not "members only" events. God and Mary invites
everybody.

So in conclusion (finally) ...
We RC's believe in the modern day manifestations of God and Mary.
We are scared to death sometimes although we're told not to.
There are more proofs and events. And that is why "not everything
is in the Bible". Although in a lot of the apparitions, we are told
to read the Bible.

As far as the Protestant vs. Catholics issue is concerned...
In the end, God's churches will unite. I'm not sure how.
I have some idea. But the point is we shouldn't worry
about the "versus" part. Just do God's work. That's all
that matters. Unity will come.

BTW, I'm just a plain person. I'm not the Pope's spokesperson.
But I am RC.

--


3500 miles, black leather tank bra, tank bag, Corbin seat, Metzler 'B'
tires.  Garaged and pampered.  I can't afford to continue paying NYC garage
fees for two bikes so one of 'em has to go.

Best offer above $4500 takes it.


[much deleted]

amazing.  I could not find _one_ reference to waffle in all of this.

followups redirected out.


Oops, sorry, my words, not the words of the Qur'an.

Note that "(the celestial bodies)" in the above verse is an
interpolation (which is why it is in brackets) -- it is the translator's
(incorrect, IMHO) interpretation.

Here is Maurice Bucaille's translation (he studied Arabic for his
research into the Qur'an and science) of this verse:

"(God is) the One Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon.
Each is travelling in an orbit with its own motion." (Qur'an :33)

The positive aspect of this verse noted by Dr. Maurice Bucaille is that
while geocentrism was the commonly accepted notion at the time (and for
a long time afterwards), there is no notion of geocentrism in this verse
(or anywhere in the Qur'an).


I have also heard it called an expression of mercy, because Heaven would be
far more agonizing for those who had rejected God.


Let's see, if Alexander destroyed Tyre, and people move back, and
they construct houses, and after a while 14000 people live there
and still call it Tyre, it is not considered to be rebuilt. Instead
it's considered to be 'just-some-people-that-got-together-for-fishing-
and-they-needed-houses' place.

Sigh, I was never born in a city then (my home town has 10.000
people). I have to consult my city and inform them that it's from
now a fishing village. When this city (Kristinestad) was founded
in the 17:th century about 1000 people lived there, so the norms
were even more bizarre for dumb Swedish queens who founded cities
along the coast of Finland.

I would like to know why Paul thought is was worth mentioning the
small fishing place of Tyre in Acts. Again, maybe he was a keen
fisherman and wanted to visit the shores of Tyre? :-)

Cheers,
Kent


I may not be the world's greatest expert on chiggers (a type of
mite indigenous to the south), but I certainly have spent a lot
of time contemplating the little buggers over the past six years
(since we moved to N.C.).  Here are some observations gained from
painful experience:

  1. Reactions to chiggers vary greatly from person to person.
     Some people get tiny red bites.  Others (like me) are more
     sensitive and get fairly large swollen sore-like affairs.

  2. Chigger bites are the gift that keeps on giving.  I swear
     that these things will itch for months.

  3. There is a lot of folklore about chiggers.  I think most of
     it is fiction.  I have tried to do research on the critters,
     since they have such an effect on me.  The only book I could
     find on the subject was a *single* book in UNC's special
     collections library.  I have not yet gone through what is
     required to get it.

  4. Based on my experience and that of my family members, the old
     folk remedy of fingernail polish simply doesn't work.  I recall
     reading that the theory upon which it is based (that the chiggers
     burrow into your skin and continue to party there) is false.  I
     think it is more likely that the reaction is to toxins of some
     sort the little pests release.  But this is speculation.

  5. The *best* approach is prevention.  A couple of things work well.
     A good insect repellent (DEET) such as Deep Woods Off liberally
     applied to ankles, waistband, etc. is a good start.  There is
     another preparation called "Chig Away" that is a combination of
     sulfur and some kind of cream (cortisone?) that originally was
     prepared for the Army and is not commercially available.  In
     the summer I put this on my ankles every morning when I get
     up on weekends since I literally can't go outside where we
     live (in the country) without serious consequences.  (They
     apparently don't like sulfur much at all.  You can use sulfur
     as a dust on your body or clothing to repel them.)

  6. No amount of prevention will be *completely* successful.  Forget
     the fingernail polish.  I have finally settled upon a treatment
     that involves topical application of a combination of cortisone
     creme (reduces the inflamation and swelling) and benzocaine
     (relieves the itch).  I won't tell you all the things I've tried.
     Nor will I tell you some of the things my wife does since this
     counts as minor surgery and is best not mentioned (I also think
     it gains nothing).

  7. The swelling and itching can also be significantly relieved
     by the application of hot packs, and this seems to speed recovery
     as well.

Doctors seem not to care much about chiggers.  The urban and suburban
doctors apparently don't encounter them much.  And the rural doctors
seem to regard them as a force of nature that one must endure.  I
suspect that anyone who could come up with a good treatment for chiggers
would make a *lot* of money.


I also have a DX2/66 and a Maxtor 212. I have a local bus IDE controller (generic) and I get
985 KB/s. I tried swapping my local bus IDE controller for an ISA IDE controller and my
transfer rate went to 830 KB/s. The specs for this drive show a maximum platter to controller
transfer rate of 2.83 MB/s. I dont know how to get there from here. The local bus interface
got me a little, but certainly not as much as I had hoped. I am also looking for a way to
improve my disk performance, but Im not convinced that the controller is the bottleneck
(although Im willing to entertain the possibility that it is). I am already running a big
main memory disk cache, so Im not really interested in this solution either.

---
Chris Brinton
Teradyne, Inc.
brinton@icd.teradyne.com


I guess the cryptowranglers read this group too.  But of
course I knew that because it is so easy to do.  There is
not a single doubt in my mind that every byte that passes
every significant gateway or 'bone is captured for the
colligation of data about __________?  (Maybe your name is here).

Maybe we should start a newsgroup for the distribution of encrypted
posts intended of members of affinity groups with a shared private
key.  For example at the coming up Cypherpunks meeting, a private
key corresponding to that particular meeting could be passed out
by a moderator.  Minutes, followup comments to other participants,
and so on could be posted to the alt.encrypted group for the use
of the people who attended. Communiques intended by the group for
non-attendees could of course just be signed using the private key
but otherwises not encrypted.

Starting a alt.encrypted newsgroup rather than just maintaining
mailing lists is better for several reasons.  First, it would be
easier to archive for people who might join a group "late" and
who might like to easily read earlier posts; second, traffic analysis
to know exactly to whom an affinity message is directed would be foiled;
three, a newsgroup is much more public and would serve to publicize
available privacy measures on the internet.

And it would be fun to accumulate a secret keyring full of such
keys -- it beats giving out t-shirts as a door prize.

We could send a copy of alt.encrypted directly to Judge William
Sessions or Admiral Studeman to save them the time of having it
collected for them.


From: "dan mckinnon" <dan.mckinnon@canrem.com>

	   I have lurked here a bit lately, and though some of the math is
	unknown to me, found it interesting. I thought I would post an article I
	found in the Saturday, April 17, 1993 Toronto Star:

	                  'CLIPPER CHIP' to protect privacy

Politics is of course Dirty Pool, old man, and here we have a classic
example: the NSA and the administration have been working on this for
a *long* time, and in parallel with the announcement to us techies, we
see they're hitting the press with propoganda.

It's my bet the big magazines - Byte, Scientific American, et all - will
be ready to run with a pre-written government-slanted story on this in
the next issue.  ('Just keep us some pages spare boys, we'll give you
the copy in time for the presses')

We *must* get big names in the industry to write well argued pieces against
this proposal (can you call it that when it's a de facto announcement?) and
get them into the big magazines before too much damage is done.

It would be well worth folks archiving all the discussions from here since
the day of the announcement to keep all the arguments at our fingertips.  I
think between us we could write quite a good piece.

Now, who among us carries enough clout to guarantee publication?  Phil?
Don Parker?  Mitch Kapor?


	I have just checked it and you have three files that are loaded:
	PROTMAN :  128 Bytes
	DRIVER	: 9072 Bytes
	WORKGRP	: 4416 Bytes

	No W4WG uses it's own drivers.

	Not that I know of, I bought two copies, had some problems with one
	installed both from the same copie, no problems. Do worry I just had
	a really old BIOS and that's the only problem I got.
	It will replace all older files (I think) and prompt you for the
	others.

	This I do not know...

					Hope this helps


subscribe comp.graphics
quit


This is very sad indeed.  My condolences to the Minnesota fans who are
losing their team.

I fear that within the next decade or so the only professional sports team
left in Pittsburgh will be the Steelers.

We should always enjoy things when we can.  You never know when they'll
be taken away from us.


Can anybody send CONNER CP-321 harddisk specifications?
It has 612 Cyl, and 4 HD, but I am more intrested in its time-out values,
precomp, etc.


I gues it is Keesler. The others do not ring the bell but they might be
involved as well. Sometime ago Keesler was here at Langley teaching
a course on space debris and, if my memory does not fai,l I think there
was even a reference to a book on the subject.

C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov


Now why would anyone "post" anything encrypted? Encryption is only of
use between persons who know how to decrypt the data.

And why should I care what other people look at?

What does concern me is the continued erosion of my constitutional
rights. ( Amendments I, II, IV, and V to note a few. )


}>More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make
}>their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside
}>of their group or level of understanding.

There seems to be some confusion between rednecks and white trash.
The confusion is understandable, as there is substantial overlap
between the two sets. Let me see if I can clarify:

Rednecks: Primarily use their backs instead of their minds to make a
	living. Usually somewhat ignorant (by somebody's standards,
	anyway) because they have never held education above basic
	reading/writing/math skills to be that important to their
	eventual vocation. Note I did not say stupid, just ignorant.
	(They might be stupid, but then so are some high percentage
	of any group).

White trash: "White trash fit the stereotype referred to by the
	word 'nigger' better than any black person I ever met, only
	with the added 'bonus' that white trash are mean as hell."
	-- my father. Genuinely lazy (not just out of work or under-
	qualified), good-for-nothing, dishonest, white people who are
	mean as snakes. The "squeal like a pig" boys in _Deliverance_
	may or may not have been rednecks, but they were sure as hell
	white trash.

White trash are assuredly intolerant of anything outside of their
group or level of understanding. Rednecks may or may not be.


I've been offerred an old 4-bits/pixel greyscale Xterminal.  Aside from the
"real people have already upgraded to RISC architecture R5 servers", do I want
this Xterminal?

I'm concerned about the 4-planes...I've only ever heard of 1 (mono) and 8
(colour) planes -- will I have any concerns with this 4-plane unit?
[Specifically related to 4-planes vs 1 or 8]

Thanks!
-C-


In Texas, it is legal to carry handguns while "traveling", and also to and from
sporting activities.           ^^^^^^^^

Chapter 46 of the Texas State Penal Code does NOT restrict long guns.
Therefore, it is legal to carry and transport long guns any place in Texas.


Cite one of these conflicting statutes.  You keep making
these assertions, but you haven't supported any of them yet.
I am speaking of statutes that conflict with the definition
Larry posted.

Why did you delete the code that Larry posted?

Also, the Model Penal Code made perfect sense to me.  Were you,
perhaps, confused by it?

Also, I am still looking for your definition.  The one you used
clearly indicates that a fetus is not a human being.

Circular arguments are usually very consistent.

Again, your desire for consistency disappears when it does not suit
your needs.  The principle of protecting life is abandoned based
on "action versus inaction."  Not much of a principle.  Suddenly
you recognize that the claim on bodily resources is dependent
on circumstances other than this principle of life.  That's
a very conevnient principle you have there, Matt.


In <Apr.10.05.30.16.1993.14313@athos.rutgers.edu>

[ . . . ]

Having lived through the kicking and screaming in the 60s and 70s as the
Catholics were invited to participate in the liturgy instead of counting
their rosary beads during Mass, I find this comment interesting.  There
is a _massively_ longer tradition for proclaiming the Passion accounts
without active participation.  If you know the Latin, one really
beautiful way to hear the Passion is it's being chanted by three
deacons:  the Narrator chants in the middle baritone range, Jesus chants
in the bass, and others directly quoted are handled by a high tenor.
This is actually the basis for the common proclamation of the Passion
that John would prefer.

But there is always a judgement call based on pastoral considerations.
Each pastor makes his own decisions (it isn't a church-wide conspiracy
against participation).  The Palm Sunday liturgy, with its initial
blessing and distribution of the palms and procession, is already
getting long before you get to the Passion; some pastors feel that they
should not make the people stand through that long narrative.  Also, the
orchestrated proclamation with multiple readers and public participation
in the crowd quotations runs longer than the single-reader proclamation
--- in churches with multiple Masses for the Sunday, it might be
necessary to go with the briefer options just to "get 'em in and get 'em
out".

Each parish is different.  Catholics are no longer canonically tied to
their geographic parishes.  It is possible that another Catholic parish
in the Columbus area (based on the Ohio State address) has a liturgy
closer to your preferences.  Or talk to some of your fellow
parishioners and see how common your preferences are --- pastors
generally ARE willing to listen to non-confrontational requests.  Though
you probably should bring along a paramedic in case he reacts too strongly
to the shock of people asked for a _longer_ Sunday Mass.

Perhaps the problem is that recent liturgical development hasn't follow
the continuous evolution model (the accumulation of small changes, no
single one of which is too hard to take) but rather the punctuated
equilibrium model (things stay the same and we get accustomed to them,
then the marked mutation hits).  {My apologies if I am mis-remembering
the names of the evolutionary theories.}


Hi

I am trying to implement a pointer feature in Xlib

I have multiple windows and all can take input and
show output simultaneously on all other displays

I want to implement a pointer feature

I would like to get the pointer to come up on all windows once
I choose pointer in the menu and every one should be able
to see it

Can you give me some hints as to how I should proceed
I am new to Xlib

replies will be greatly appreciated

Thank you


I live in Colorado, and have never heard of such a group.  Obviously claims
that their posters are appearing "all over Colorado" are a tad overdone...

Hardly.  Saying that homosexuality is a sin is a far cry from
"Working for a fag-free America".  Saying that I wouldn't want
a homosexual babysitting for my kids doesnt mean I endorse
"Against Immoral Gross Homosexual Trash".

And now we have homosexual advocates telling us that if we don't teach
our kids that homosexuality is natural and a perfectly acceptable
alternative lifestyle, then they will have it done for us.  No, thanks.

Absolutely.  And the message is always, "go and sin no more".  Not,
Go and do whatever "feels good".

This sounds real nice, but struck me as a little odd.  You're
presenting yourself as if you were a straight Xian, who is sticking
his neck out and taking on the challenge of speaking out in support
of gays in the church.  But I was under the impression that you
yourself are gay.  That's all well and fine, but presenting yourself
as sticking out your neck to help "repressed others" seems a bit
untruthful under the circumstances....


 >
 >
 > SOmebody mentioned  a re-boost of HST during this mission,  meaning
 > that Weight is a very tight  margin on this  mission.
 >

I haven't heard any hint of a re-boost, or that any is needed.

 >
 > why not  grapple,  do all said fixes,   bolt a small  liquid  fueled
 > thruster module  to  HST,   then let it make the re-boost.  it has to be
 > cheaper on mass then usingthe shuttle as a tug.

Nasty, dirty combustion products!  People have gone to monumental efforts to
keep HST clean.  We certainly aren't going to bolt any thrusters to it.


Here's how I talk to non-Christians who are complaining about Hell.

ME:	"Do you believe you're going to Heaven?"
HIM:	"I don't believe in Heaven."
ME:	"So are you going there?"
HIM:	"If there was a heaven, I would."
ME:	"But since there isn't a Heaven, you're not going there, are you?"
HIM:	"No."

  The point is that Heaven is based on faith--if you don't believe in heaven,
there's no way you're going to be in it.
  Of course, the next step is, "I don't believe in Hell either, so why will I
be there?"  It seems to me that Hell is eternal death and seperation from God.
Most atheists do believe that when they die they will die forever, and never
see God--so they do, in fact, believe that they're going to Hell.
  Hell doesn't have to be worse than earth to be Hell--because it's eternal,
and it's a lot worse than Heaven.  That's the only comparison that matters.


Even if they somehow address this issue it is unlikely to be the only
back door in -- they might even have a few intentionally visible to
distract from the ones that aren't visible.

--
Perry Metzger		pmetzger@shearson.com


Hi Brad,

I have two comments:  Regarding your hope that the "occupation will end...
belive that stiff resistance..etc. - how about an untried approach, i.e.,
peace and cooperation.  I can't help but wonder what would happen if all
violence against Israelis stopped.  Hopefully, violence against Arabs
would stop at the same time.  If a state of non-violence could be
maintained, perhaps a state of cooperation could be achieved, i.e.,
greater economic opportunities for both peoples living in the
"territories".

Of course, given the current leadership of Israel, your way may work
also - but if that leadership changes, e.g., to someone with Ariel
Sharon's mentality, then I would predict a considerable loss of life,
i.e., no winners.

Secondly, regarding your comment about the U.S. troops responding
to "stiff resistance" - the analogy is not quite valid.  The U.S.
troops could get out of the neighborhood altogether.  The Israelis
could not.

Just my $.02 worth, no offense intended.

Respectfully,


pin      function
 1      led supply voltage
 2      latch data input b
 3      latch data input a
 4      left decimal point cathode
 5      latch strobe input
 6      omitted
 7      common gnd
 8      blanking input
 9      omitted
10      right decimal point cathode
11      omitted
12      latch data input d
13      latch data input c
14      logic supply voltage (5v)

LATCH STROBE INPUT, pin 5, when low, the data in the latches follow the data on the latch data
                             inputs.  When high, the data in the latches will not change.  If the
                               display is blanked and then restored while the enable input is high,
                               the previous character will again be displayed.

BLANKING INPUT, pin 8,    When high, the display is blanked regardless of the levels of the other
                              inputs.  When low, a character is displayed as determined by the data
                              in the latches.  The blanking input may be pulsed for intensity modulation.

LATCH DATA INPUTS, pins 2,3,12,13,   Data on these inputs are entered into the latches when the enable
                                          input is low.  The binary weights of these inputs are A = 1,
                                          B = 2, C = 4, D = 8

DECIMAL POINT CATHODES, pins 4, 10,   These LEDS are not connected to the logic chip.  If a decimal point
                                          is used, an external resistor or other current limiting
                                          mechanism must be connected in series with it.

LED SUPPLY, pin 1            This connection permits the user to save on regulated Vcc current by using
                                 a separate LED supply, or it may be externally connected to the logic
                                 supply (Vcc).

LOGIC SUPPLY (Vcc), pin 14      Separate Vcc connection for the logic chip

COMMON GROUND, pin 7,      This is the vegative termnal for all logic and LED currents except for the
                              decimal points.


$50 each!!  Don't bother trying to make one yourself, just shop around a
little.  I've found DOD brand DI boxes for as cheap as $20 each.  You can
get higher end ones for more, but for PA use for bands, I wouldn't bother.
Making one yourself might work, but getting a sturdy enough enclosure might
be hard (they're made of heavy guage metal, since they're always on the floor,
being kicked around a lot). For any additional questions on this topic, you
might want to post to rec.audio.pro
						Lukas Zahas
						lzahas@bu.edu


In soc.religion.christian you write:

Note that the above type of prediction does not require a God to be made.
An expert in a field can also predict things based on experience.
Beware of predictions like "The volcano will erupt tomorrow!"  Don't
follow the preacher because of such statements that come true.

Note also, that if I'm describing a (hypothetical) death of a friend as
a result of his passion for fast motorcycles, I might say "his mother
predicted he would die."  Of course, his father may have said "he 'll
make good money because of his hobby" and depending upon the final
outcome of the situation I end up mentioning the one that's
relevant.  A reader down the road will get the impression that the
mother or father had predicted accurately the event, when it was just
a casual statement.

Finally, on prophesies, note that there are many prophesies that can be
fulfilled my people, often to fool believers.  If I say, "Beware, the
terminal will unexpectedly be shut off!" and then after 2 secs I turn
it off (or have someone come out from another room and do it) there was
no prediction.  A similar situation arises with the establishment of
the Jewish state.  While pressing for it, prominent Jews argued that it
was predicted that they'd have a state again, and that the time has
come.  (I've read this somewhere, but can't think of the source - if
you can, please let me know.)  In this case, the establishment of the
state does not really fulfill the  prophesy since the prophesy was used
in order to push for the establishment of the state.

Deciding what was truely a fulfillment of prophesy is very tricky.

-leo


Why should we pay your predictions any heed, considering
you couldn't even predict the proper matchups?  Maybe
you should try forecasting the weather instead.


PATRICK
1st rd:	Pens over Isles in 4.
	Devils over Caps in 6.
2nd:	Pens over Devils in 7.

ADAMS
1st rd: B's over Sabres in 5.
	Nords over Habs in 5.
2nd:	B's over Nords in 6.

NORRIS
1st:	Hawks over Stars/Blues in 5.
	Wings over Leafs in 7.
2nd:	Hawks over Wings in 5.

SMYTHE
1st:	Jets over Canucks in 7.	(call it a hunch)
	Flames over Kings in 5.
2nd:	Jets over Flames in 6.

WALES
Pens over B's in 7.

CAMPBELL
Hawks over Jets in 5.

STANLEY
Pens over Hawks in 5.


Forwarded from John Spencer (spencer@lowell.edu):

There will be two eclipses of Iapetus by Saturn and its
rings, in May and July.  Please spread the word!  Here's some
information about the events, and then a couple of messages from Jay
Goguen of JPL appealing for thermal observations of the eclipse to
learn more about the thermal properties of Iapetus.  He might also have
some money available...

John Spencer, 1993/04/21

Iapetus will be eclipsed by the shadows of Saturn's rings and Saturn
itself on 1993/05/01-02 (18:27-13:43 UT) and again on 1993/07/20-21,
(21:16-09:38 UT).  Timing is as follows;

     1993 May 1-2

        A-ring ingress  18:27
               egress   19:30
        B-ring ingress  19:51
               egress   21:42
        C-ring egress   23:00
        Saturn ingress  23:59
               egress   10:02
        B-ring ingress  10:28
               egress   12:19
        A-ring ingress  12:40
               egress   13:43

     1993 July 20-21

        Saturn ingress  21:16
               egress   05:08
        A-ring ingress  05:13  (grazing)
               egress   09:38

Times could be 30 minutes later according to an alternate ephemeris,
and photometric observations are important for refining Iapetus'
orbit.  Because the Sun's size projected on the rings as seen from
Iapetus is 3100 km it's unlikely that we will learn anything new about
the rings themselves from the observations.  See Soma (1992), Astronomy
and Astrophysics 265, L21-L24 for more details.  Thanks to Andy Odell
of Northern Arizona University for bringing the events to my
attention.

THERMAL OBSERVATIONS?

  To me, the interesting thing to do would be thermal IR of the 20 July
  disappearance into the shadow of the planet to measure thermal inertia,
  etc.  Unfortunately, the 21:30 UT of this event renders it inaccessible,
  except from Russia.  Even from Calar Alto, Saturn is rising through 3
  airmasses at 23:00 UT.  Do you know anyone in Russia or Ukraine with
  a big telescope and 10 um instrumentation that's looking for something
  to do?  I'd be willing to make a personal grant of >$100 for the data.

  Jay

and again:

  please try to encourage anyone that can observe the iapetus planet
  disappearance to do so at thermal wavelengths.  My impression would
  be that it's not an easy observation.  Iapetus will be faint and
  getting fainter in eclipse, so you'll need a big telescope that's a
  good IR telescope and reasonable 10 - 20 um instrumentation.  I don't
  think that combination is widely available at the longitudes that are
  well placed for observation.  We need SOFIA for this one.  One
  possibility would be the IR telescope in India, but it's only a 1.2 m.

jay


I am seeking recommendations/Vendors for a Networkable FAX. It would
mainly be used for outgoing FAX's from Mac's on our Net. The ability
to Fax from other platforms would be a plus. Ethernet interface would
be preffered but LocalTalk would suffice. Can anyone provide any info?
Thanks in advance, --Peter