   Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ?
   ------------------------------------

   While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they
   repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and
   attempt to starve the Gazans.

   [...]

Elias should the families of the children who were stabbed in their
high school by a Palestinian "freedom fighter" be the ones who offer
their help to the Gazans. Perhaps it should be the families of the 18
Israelis who were murdered last month by Palestinian "freedom
fighters".

The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were fighting to keep themselves and
their families from being sent to Nazi gas chambers. Groups like Hamas
and the Islamic Jihad fight with the expressed purpose of driving all
Jews into the sea. Perhaps, we should persuade Jewish people to help
these wnderful "freedom fighters" attain this ultimate goal.

Maybe the "freedom fighters" will choose to spare the co-operative Jews.
Is that what you are counting on, Elias - the pity of murderers.

You say your mother was Jewish. How ashamed she must be of her son. I
am sorry, Mrs. Davidsson.


Misc. Items for sale:

Walkman:  Aiwa Model HS-T30, 1 year old, mint condition, hardly used,
          autoreverse, 3 band Equalizer, Super Bass, Dolby Noise Reduction,
          AM FM tuner..........Paid $70.......Asking $40+shipping.

Mount Plate:  Sony Model CPM-203P, mounting plate for Sony portable CD players
for Portable: plugs into car lighter, snaps onto the bottom of any Sony
CD Player:    Portable CD player, perfect condition. Will also throw in a
	      cassette adapter in SO SO condition.
	      Paid $45...............Asking $30+shipping.

AM FM:	    Factory Stereo from Toyota with AM FM radio, autoreverse cassette
Cassette:   deck, digital tuning, like new condition only in car 6 months,
Car Stereo: Asking $60+shipping.

Car Speakers:	Sherwood 5 1/4" two way car speakers, in car for 7 months,
5 1/4 inch:	excellent condition, Paid $65............Asking $40+shipping.

4 inch:	    Factory Speakers from Toyota excellent condition
	    Asking $20+shipping.

Nintendo:   Nintendo Game Boy, Light Boy, Tetris, Super Mario Land,
Gameboy:    NFL Football, Castlevania Adventure, Hyper Lode Runner, 4 years
+ games:    old	all in working condition, Asking $70+shipping.
Accessories:

Whole Internet:	The Whole Internet: User's Guide and Catalog by ED Krol,
book:		guide to using the internet, where to fing information and
		resources.   Paid $30..........Asking $20+shipping.

MicroSoft:    Never Used, came with my computer, Asking $ 60+shipping.
Visual Basic:

MicroSoft:  For Windows, never used, came with my computer,
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Please resond to fields@cis.ohio-state.edu

				Thanks,


And one of my profs is the chief engineer for the project (Dr. Ron
Humble, Univ. Colorado at Colorado Springs).

I love the idea of an inflatable 1-mile long sign.... It will be a
really neat thing to see it explode when a bolt  (or even better, a
Westford Needle!) comes crashing into it at 10 clicks a sec.

<BOOM!>  Whooooooooshhhhhh......  <sputter, sputter>

<okay, PRETEND it would make a sound!>

I hear <insert favorite rumor here> that it will supposedly coincide
with the Atlanta Olympics.


What's with you stupid dorks from the "Western Business School"???!!!
First there was that Cary asshole, and now you.  Don't you have anything
better to do instead of being obnoxious, antagonistic little shits over
the network???  Why don't you just take a hike, and stop embarrasing
yourself, your school, and Canada!


: The message from the NIST about the clipper chip comes from the
: following address:
:
: 	clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement)
:
: Just who is that, I asked myself, or rather, I asked the computer.
:
:     % telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov 25
...list of name elided for brevity......
:
: Well, isn't that interesting.  Dorothy Denning, Mitch Kapor, Marc
: Rotenberg, Ron Rivest, Jim Bidzos, and others.  The Government, RSA,
: TIS, CPSR, and the EFF are all represented.  I don't suppose anybody
: within any of these organizations would care to comment?  Or is this
: just the White House's idea of a cruel joke on these peoples' inboxes?

I know that at least one person on that list says the first he heard
of Clipper was in the Friday morning newspaper! And another has
already fired off a letter of protest to NIST.

My point? I suspect this list, interesting as it is for various
reasons, does not represent the cabal that put this proposal together.
Some of them, yes. Others, no.

This may be nothing more than a mailing list of people who get
crypto-related announcements from NSA, er, I mean "NIST."

-Tim May


They require two separate grounds.  One ground goes to the ground pin
of the outlet, and the other ground wire is connected to the outlet's
mounting tabs (and thus grounds the box and faceplate screw and metal
faceplate, if any).

The box/faceplate ground goes to the normal distribution panel ground.
The outlet ground-pin wire is generally connected to an insulated
busbar in the distribution panel which is, in turn, connected to
the building-entrance main ground by its own wire.


Those rules/regulations/laws would be subject to the same attack:  that
they are attempting to preempt federal authority to regulate (or not)
radio communications.  Of course, as the original poster noted, court
challenges of this kind can get expensive.


I have just noticed my FileManager doing something strange recently.
Usually, the line at the bottom of the FileManager (the status bar, I
guess) displays the total disk space and the total number of bytes for
the current selection.  If I select a whole bunch of files, I will get
an exact byte count.

Recently, I notice it incorrectly displays this count; it's truncating!
If I select a file that is, say, 532 bytes, it correctly displays '532 bytes'.
If I select select a file that is 23,482 bytes, it displays '23 bytes',
not 23 Kbytes, just 23 bytes!  If I select 893,352 it will report only
893 bytes in the selection.  If I select over a Meg worth of files, say
3,356,345 it reports 3 bytes!  It's as if it's got a problem with displaying
more than 3 characters!

My system: 486DX/33, 8M memory, Stacker 3.0, DOS 5, Win 3.1.  I've run
the latest virus scanners (scan102, f-prot) and they didn't report anything.
Could I have unknowingly altered something that controls the formatting
of the status bar in the FileManger?
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    _/_/    _/  _/  _/       _/ _/      Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa
   _/  _/  _/  _/  _/       _/_/        (613) 765-4893 / fax:765-4309
  _/    _/_/  _/  _/       _/ _/
 _/      _/  _/   _/_/_/  _/   _/       OPC Development Operations


(not that logic has anything to do with it, but...)
I can see the liability of putting stickers on the car while it was moving,
or something, but it's the BDI that chooses to start and then drive the car
in a known unsafe condition that would (seem to be) liable. Furthermore, they
would have had the last chance to avoid an unsafe situation, which is an
additional factor in attributing "blame".

Anyway, stickers on the window are less effective... no one has any problem
taking a blade to a window to remove a stubborn sticker, but it's a different
story with that that nice paint job on the door....

	*jeff*


} >} [Stuff about upated inning scores deleted.]
} >at just that exact time to see the message. even results after the game
} >is over are not necessary, thanks to Mr. Hernandez who posts daily
} >standings and results here every day.
}
} Am I supposed to take that as a compliment or a put down? Just wondering.

it was meant entirely, 100%, as a compliment.

} I do this as a service to the entire baseball world on USENET, especially
} for those in the East Coast who can't get final scores for West Coast games
} in their newspapers or late TV newscasts. This is helpful to fans in other
} countries who either receive only weekly scores or updates by the week. Also,
} many have requested for this kind of service previously but it was only
} available through BBS's or some pay news services. By the way, mine is free
} of charge and has no copyright restrictions.

i was not trying to criticize your service at all.
in fact, i was trying to encourage others to use it.
i don't personally use it, but i'm sure others do, and that was my point in
posting--there is no need for individuals to duplicate, in an ad hoc fashion,
what you have already organized.

} >if you want to send updates and scores, set up a private mailing list
} >and use that.
}
} Remember I only post final scores and the updated standings once a day to the
} rec.sport.baseball newsgroup. Other than that, everything is done through
} private e-mail. Currently, there are 986 people on my mailing list that
} branches off into other mailing lists available for many others. And the list
} grows by an average of 35 people a day.

having one person, such as yourself, who does it, is a great idea.
having 100 do it is not. that's all.

keep up the good work, Joseph.


Windows: The recent reviews have all shown that the P9000 cards are
	 significantly faster doing Windows than the ATI card.

VGA:	 The recent reviews have all shown that the P9000 cards they looked
	 at are significantly slower doing VGA than the ATI card.  About
	 1/2 the speed, as I recall.

	 The big question for me is the Orchid V9000 card.  Each of the
	 P9000 cards tested so far has had the W5186 to do VGA.  Orchid
	 is the only one I know about (I don't know about AMI) that uses
	 the W5286 for VGA.  That is reportedly faster.

	 I would like to know whether the Orchid card can do VGA as fast as
	 the ATI card.  If so, it would appear to be a formidable competitor.
	 (Advertised prices are about the same for the two cards.)

Someone in this group posted a little while back that they were getting an
Orchid V9000 card -- has that card arrived?  What do the benchmarks look
like?

Also, is the AMI P9000-based card real?  What does it use for VGA?  Speed?


Romans 8:28 (RSV)   We know that in everything God works for good with those
who love him, who are called according to his purpose.

Murphy's Law:  If anything can go wrong, it will.

We are all quite familiar with the amplifications and commentary on
Murphy's Law.  But how do we harmonize that with Romans 8:28?  For that
matter, how appropriate is humor contradicted by Scripture?


Several company publish periodicals (3 or 4 times a year) which list the
sticker prices and the dealer invoice prices of all the cars and their
options.  Edmund's is the name of one such price guide.  You can find
these price guides at most places which sell magazines.


	And better yet..There's a chevette in town with wire crome wheels,
vinyl roof, tacky paint job and a continental spare (showing the wire
crome wheel within, of course)...I'm scared to look on the inside and have
only seen it rolling down the road...and I too was glad I hadn't just ate.

--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris T. Ward  DoD#0710   "Don't take life too seriously, you can never come
                           out of it alive."  -?


It can suppress secretion of prolactin.  Is useful in cases of galactorrhea.
Some adenomas of the pituitary secret too much.

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."


HELP   MY FRIEND AND I HAVE A CLASS PROJECT IN WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE
    A COMPUTER ANIMATED MOVIE OF SORTS WITH THE DISNEY ANIMATION AND WOULD
    LIKE TO PUT WHAT WE HAVE ON A VCR IS THIS POSSIBLE?  IS IT EASY AND
    RELATIVELY CHEAP? IF SO HOW? WE BOTH HAVE 386 IBM COMPATIBLES BUT ARE
    RELATIVELY CLUELESS WITH COMPUTERS IF YOU COULD HELP PLEASE DO.

                                THANX.
--
BRANT RITTER
-----------------------------------------------------
moshing--   "a cosmic cesspool of physical delight."
                                  -A. Kiedas
                                     RHCP


If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a
crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size.  If your
primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big
spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a
small one).


I am interrested in the extrodinarily simple concept of the null modem
cable. (Actually I have NO idea, so don't count that last statement.)  What I'm
asking is what pins does it use (or what are it's specifications?)  I just want
to solder one myself instead of buying one.  I don't even know what port is
used.

Help me please (at ke_kimmell@vax.cns.muskingum.edu)

Kevin


Why so up tight?  FOr that matter, TIFF6 is out now, so why not gripe
about its problems?  Also, if its so important to you, volunteer to
help define or critique the spec.

Finally, a little numerology:  42 is 24 backwards, and TIFF is a 24 bit
image format...

Chris


What kind of polygons?  Shaded?  Texturemapped?  Hm?  More comes into play with
fast routines than just "polygons".  It would be nice to know exaclty what
system (VGA is a start, but what processor?) and a few of the specifics of the
implementation.  You need to give  more info if you want to get any answers! :P

                                  - Ian Romanick
                                    Dancing Fool of Epsilon


:In article <0096B294.AAD9C1E0@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu> reimer@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu
:> In article <1qkftjINNoij@cronkite.cisco.com>, pitargue@cisco.com (Marciano
:>
:> [stuff deleted about causes of people in ER]
:>
:> >due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes.  maybe we should outlaw
:> >cars.
:> There are a lot of automobile accidents, but atleast there is some
:> regulation to try to combat this.
:
:Such as?  Drunk drivers get back on the road in no time, to kill again.  Seems
:the driver's license process does not work for this.
:
I can testify to this. My cousin spent a few weeks in the hospital, and his
friend was killed, because of a drunk driver.  The son-of-a-b**** is back on
the streets... Officers from the scene are still p***ed about that one.

:> to take a drivers safety class.
:
:Because you wanted one while you were underage.
:
:> I HAVE to be licensed to drive.
:
:Only on public roads.
:
:> My car
:> MUST be registered.
:
:Only if it is to be driven on public roads, other than between segments of my
:property.
:
:> I MUST (at least where I live) have liability
:> insurance on both myself driving and my car (if someone else had an
:> accident with it).
:
:Only on public roads.
And this obviously doesn't always work, else why would they offer uninsured
motorist coverage?
:
:> Hmm, wouldn't manditory saftey classes, registration
:> of both the owner and gun, and manditory liability insurance be nice for
:> gun owners.
I object to mandatory registration because I don't trust my government not to
use any information I give them for their own purposes.  I am licensed to
carry a concealed pistol in my home state, but they never asked whether I
actually owned a firearm.  A safety class before issuing a permit to carry is
reasonably, provided such classes are regularly available to the public.  Of
course, most places would consider my time in the reserves and on a competition
rifle team to count.
:
:Perhaps, if it gave them permission to shoot in public roads and parks. :-)
Hey, now that's an idea :)
:
:> Paul Reimer
:
:Jim

Now, unless you have an agenda against private ownership of firearms, why would
you want to harass the person trying to legally defend themselves or exercise
their rights? (I know, defending oneself/family/whoever IS a right... at least
as far as my 9mm and I are concerned... ) (Also as far as the State of Alabama
seems to be concerned)  Why don't you push for stricter prosecution of those
who use firearms in the commission of a crime?  I've already pointed out how
we aren't nailing DUI's hard enough...  Comparing the US with other countries
seldom works, but the European attitude towards alchohol and DUI seems to work..
Their attitude towards weapons isn't really a valid comparison because they've
historically done their best to keep the populace disarmed and submissive,
while our country was founded by a bunch of rugged individualists who told the
European monarchies (for the most part) to take a flying leap (used more polite
language though).  We even weaseled out of our first international treaty, and
then convinced the French that it was in their best interests not to complain..
But first we had to overcome the fact that the Brits were doing their best to
restrict us to squirrel guns and such, so we'd be properly submissive while
they forced us to pay for their wars.  Of course, most American history classes
these days tend to gloss over facts that do not fit the image they wish to
convey... I'm glad my Amer. Hist. teacher was a Libertarian who had us review
a good portion of the Federalist Papers, and debate their origins and meanings.

enough rambling,

James


/* Apologies for those who have read this before but no-one has solved this */
/* one yet so I'm posting again! Sorry :-)                                  */

I'm having problems creating a cursor bigger than 64x64, I'm using Motif 1.1
X11R4 running HP-UX 8.07 - all the functions return valid results but no
cursor appears when the bitmap is bigger than the aforementioned size. I tried

using the following code:

unsigned int w,h;
XQueryBestCursor(XtDisplay(programArea), XtWindow(programArea), 72, 71, &w,
&h);

to return the nearest size to what I require however it returns 72 and 71 as
the width and height respectively. What am I doing wrong? and if not how can I
get round the problem!!


Try postmaster@norton.com
or postmaster@symantec.com
--


Agreed.
Agreed.

Agreed.

And this demonstrates, I assume, that you're a liberal. :-).


DeSoto's first year of manufacture was 1928, so this may indeed have been
an export special, as left hand controls were standard here by then.


I am looking for a source of orbital element sets
other than UAF/Space Command.  I believe there is
one on CompuServe.  Please let me know what other
possible sources there are and how I can reach
them.  Thanks much.


Im designing a circuit with just a silicon diode. I dont need
to modify any of the parameters. But the problem will not accept the following
statement

		.model diode D

        The pspice book I have is terrible. I would appreciate any help.


The Blackhawks shall triumph.


We've just been donated a large machine for use in our
robotics lab. This device is complete with a 286 based
controller, running the Intel RMX operating system.

Unfortunately, we don't have any documentation on RMX.

Can anybody out there in netland help?

Please reply via email; I don't regularly catch up with
the news.

Thanks,

David Bull


[stuff deleted...]

As I recall, the author of the _original_ article that started the thread
claimed that he disliked the changing of the names for a variety of reasons.
Roger, on one front you flamed him rather severely on the grounds that his
was a "jingoistic rant", but you also supported the name-changing on the
grounds that the current names are inappropriate because of the individuals
they represent. FWIW, I do not think the flaming was warranted, nor do I
think you enhanced what credibility you have with it at all.  Just an
observation...

However, that aside, the real question is whether you like the idea of
changing the names based on the reasons given for it (making it easier for
the 'casual fan'), or whether you like the idea of unique divisional names
based on individuals who do deserve the honour.  IMO, the latter is a nice
and unique touch that differs from other sports.  In addition, I do not
think that changing divisional names will have an effect on the number of
people that are interested in hockey, so it's a pointless exercise anyway.

If the current names are inappropriate, then that is a separate issue, not
central to the original article.  Something to consider additionally is
whether or not players like Orr who 'contributed to the glory of the sport'
would have been able to do so _without_ an organized professional league to
play in.  In this case, honouring builders of the _league_ as opposed to
builders of the _sport_ becomes a chicken-and-egg type question. (although
it was the chicken.....)

Dunno if the Stein comparison is justifiable, since it doesn't look as though
his 'unanimous acceptance' to the Hall will hold up.


cd's for sale:

1. jon bon jovi - new jersey      $8.00
2. boomerang    - soundtrack      $8.00
3. the police   - every breath you take  $8.00

 */ $1.00 s/h


Darren> In an earlier article, I explained that what many people find
Darren> arrogant about Christians is that some Christians profess
Darren> absolute certainty about their beliefs and doctrines.

and

Darren> In short, the problem is that no matter how good your sources
Darren> are, if any part of your doctrines or beliefs rest on your own
Darren> thinking and reasoning, then those doctrines are suspect.

The point that Darren raises is a very Lutheran viewpoint.
While reason is a gift from God, it is also infected by sin.
Yet we do not reject reason entirely--and neither, I think,
does Darren.  We need reason, as Darren himself has pointed
out, to comprehend God's revelation of himself in the Bible.
But reason alone is not sufficient to comprehend and believe
the Word.  We need, first and foremost, faith.  For "the sinful
mind is hostile to God.  It does not submit to God's law,
*nor can it do so*"  (Romans 8:7).

Luther accepted Scripture as the sole means of revelation
("Sola Scriptura"), but accepted the necessity of the use
of reason (with faith) in comprehending that revelation.
Yet Luther also said, regarding baptism, "But mad reason
rushes forth, and, because Baptism is not dazzling like
the works which we do, regards it as worthless." (Large
Catechism, Fourth part, Baptism).  To make matters more
complicated, Luther was the sort of theologian that many
people would describe as an `absolutist'.  I've seen him
described as a `take no prisoners' theologian.

We might conclude, given these observations, that Luther
was inconsistent or mad.  And surely at least some have
come to that conclusion.  But it might be useful to
recall that Jesus was also called mad.  And Peter felt
compelled to defend himself and the apostles against
a charge of drunkenness on Pentecost.  So we as Christians
ought to be careful about rejecting Luther (or others)
as mad.  Rather, we should imitate the Bereans, who
examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul
said was true (Acts 17:11).

The basis for the confidence with which Luther, Peter, Paul, and many
others preached the gospel was not just reason, but faith and the Holy
Spirit.  This is not faith divorced from reason, but a faith that
guides, informs, and uses reason.  The Spirit enables us to know the
truth and to proclaim it boldly.  God does not want us to preach the
message that "I think that Jesus might have risen from the dead" but
rather "I know that my redeemer lives!"  (Job 19:25).  The Christian
does not side with Pilate in saying "What is truth?" but rather
follows Christ, who said, "In fact, for this reason I was born, and
for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth.  Everyone on
the side of truth listens to me" (John 18:37).

We can know the truth because God has promised us that we can
know the truth.  Jesus said, "If you hold to my teachings,
you are really my disciples.  Then you will know the truth,
and the truth will set you free" (John 8:31,32).  The Proverbs
urge us "Buy the truth, and do not sell it." (Pr 23:23).
The Psalmist prayed "Do not snatch to word of truth from my mouth"
(Ps 119:43).  Evidently he believed that the word of truth
was in fact `in his mouth'.

Yet we do indeed appear arrogant if our claim to the truth
is motivated by self-glorification.  But if we present the
truth as the teachings of Scripture, revealed by the
Spirit, and not our own invention, and if we stand ready
to be proved wrong on the basis of Scripture, as Luther
did, then we are not arrogant, but humble.  We should humbly
trust in God's promise of truth, just as we trust in his
promise of forgiveness.

REXLEX> It is only because of God's own revelation that we can be
REXLEX> absolute about a thing.

Darren> But how far does that get you?  Once God's revelation stops,
Darren> and your own reasoning begins, possibility for error appears.

I agree that we must make a distinction between the clear teachings
of Scripture, and the products of our own reason--even when such
reasoning is based on Scripture.  However I think I would draw
the line of distinction more `reasonably'  :-)  and less `academically'
than you would.

Darren> For example, let's suppose that our modern Bible translations
Darren> include a perfect rendering of Jesus words at the Last Supper,
Darren> and that Jesus said, exactly, "This is my body."

Darren> We'll presume that what he said was totally without error and
Darren> absolutely true.  What can we be certain of?  Not much.

Darren> At the moment he stops speaking, and people start
Darren> interpreting, the possibility of error appears.  Did he mean
Darren> that literally or not?  We do not have any record that he
Darren> elaborated on the words.  Was he thinking of Tran- or Con-
Darren> substantiation?  He didn't say.

Darren is almost at the point of making a very Lutheran statement
about the Lord's supper.  The Lutheran approach is to say
that if Jesus said, "This is my body," then that is what we
should believe.  Other interpretations are rejected simply because
they are not taught in Scripture.

Recall that Jesus' words do not stand alone on this subject.  We also
have Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 11:17-34,--in which he passed on to
us, what he received from the Lord.  In particular he said, "For
whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the
Lord's death until he comes."  By these words we should believe that
the bread that we eat in the Lord's Supper really is bread (as well as
the Lord's body)--as our senses in fact tell us.  Does this *prove*
that tran-substantiation is false?  I suppose someone could say that
Paul spoke metaphorically of the Lord's body as bread, simply because
that is the way the body appears when we eat it.  But this thought is
found nowhere in Scripture.  So we reject it.  Thus the primary
reason for rejecting tran-substantiation is not that we can
prove it false, but that it is simply not found in Scripture.

[side remark]
I've been told that the Lutheran doctrine on real presence is
con-substantiation.  But it has been non-Lutherans who have told
me this.  We tend not to use the word.  I almost think that this
is used more by professors of comparative religion, who need labels
to compare Catholic, Lutheran and Reformed teachings on the Lord's
Supper.  But almost every church wants to call their own teaching
"real presence" because that was the traditional teaching of
the church.
[end side remark]

Darren> When Christians speak as if they believe their own reasoning
Darren> can never lead them astray -- when we implicitly claim that we
Darren> are infallible -- the non- Christians around us rarely believe
Darren> that implicit claim.  Witnessing is hardly going to work when
Darren> the person you are talking to believes that you are either too
Darren> foolish to recognise your own limits, or intentionally trying
Darren> to cover them up.

This is precisely why Christians should not rely on rationalizations
in their witnessing.  It is far better to take the approach,
"I'd like to show you what Scripture says.  You decide for
yourself whether to believe it or not."

Darren> `REXLEX' suggested that people read _He is There and He is Not
Darren> Silent_, by Francis Schaeffer.  I didn't think very highly of
Darren> it, but I think that Mr Schaeffer is grossly overrated by many
Darren> Evangelical Christians.  Somebody else might like it, though,
Darren> so don't let my opinion stop you from reading it.

Darren> If someone is interested in my opinion, I'd suggest _On
Darren> Certainty_, by Ludwig Wittgenstein.

As long as we're trading references, I'd like to suggest Dr. Siegbert
Becker's paperback, "The Foolishness of God: The place of reason
in Lutheran theology," published by Northwestern Publishing House.
This book was based on Becker's doctoral thesis at the University
of Chicago.


Attention Israel Line Recipients

                    Friday, April 16, 1993

Two Arabs Killed and Eight IDF Soldiers Wounded in West Bank Car
Bomb Explosion

Israel Defense Forces Radio, GALEI ZAHAL, reports today that a car
bomb explosion in the West Bank today killed two Palestinians and
wounded eight IDF soldiers. The blast is believed to be the work of
a suicide bomber. Radio reports said a car packed with butane gas
exploded between two parked buses, one belonging to the IDF and the
other civilian. Both busses went up in flames. The blast killed an
Arab man who worked at a nearby snack bar in the Mehola settlement.
An Israel Radio report stated that the other man who was killed may
have been the one who set off the bomb. According to officials at
the Haemek Hospital in Afula, the eight IDF soldiers injured in the
blast suffered light to moderate injuries.


I missed the presentations given in the morning session (when Shea gave
his "rambling and almost inaudible" presentation), but I did attend
the afternoon session. The meeting was in a small conference room. The
speaker was wired with a mike, and there were microphones on the table for
the panel members to use. Peons (like me) sat in a foyer outside the
conference room, and watched the presentations on closed circuit TV. In
general, the sound system was fair to poor, and some of the other
speakers (like the committee member from the Italian Space Agency)
also were "almost inaudible."

Shea didn't "lead the formal presentation," in the sense of running
or guiding the presentation. He didn't even attend the afternoon
session. Vest ran the show (President of MIT, the chair of the
advisory panel).


=
=> Now here is a new one: vomiting. My guess is that MSG becomes the number one
=> suspect of any problem. In this case. it might be just food poisoning. But
=> if you heard things about MSG, you may think it must be it.
=
=----------
=
=Yeah, it might, if you only read the part you quoted.  You somehow left
=out the part about "we all ate the same thing."  Changes things a bit, eh?

Perhaps.  Now, just what leads you to believe that it was MSG and not some
other ingredient in the food that made you ill?

=These people aren't condemning Chinese food, Mr. Chen - just one of its
=(optional) ingredients.  Try not to take it so personally.

And you're condemning one particular ingredient without any evidence that
that's the ingredient to which you reacted.
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL


Well, since the Oilers didn't win a heck of a lot of games, I'm not sure
they deserve and MVP ("can't win without him").  However, I'd suggest Kelly
Buchberger instead of Dave Manson, who has had a brutal year, his pick for
the All-Star game notwithstanding.

As for biggest surprise, I'd say that Buchberger had higher expectations
this year due to his "breakthrough" year (for him) last year, so he didn't
really raise his game.  My suggestion would be Shjon Podein, one of the
callups from Cape Breton during the year.  He was quite far down on the
depth chart in the Oilers stable of prospects, but made a big impact on
the team.  He has 12 goals in his 33 games and is only -1.  Those are decent
numbers for a third-line player who was seemingly doomed to minor-league
oblivion.  The Oilers coaching staff likens his style to John Tonelli.
I think he'll be on the full-time roster next year.

As for biggest disappointment, you could name any of the players the Oilers
dumped for lousy production this year (Nicholls, Gilchrist, Tikkanen) or
even Shayne Corson, but Mellanby isn't far off.

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HP IDACOM Telecom Division      | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253


Macintosh II cx with 40 MB HD, 8 MB RAM and 19" monochrome
monitor (Ikegami) is for sale.
Asking $3,000, no reasonable (best) offer will be rejected.
Contact Konrad at (416) 365-0564m Mon-Frii 9-5.


It has been known for quite a while that the earth is actually more pear
shaped than globular/spherical.  Does anyone make a "globe" that is accurate
as to actual shape, landmass configuration/Long/Lat lines etc.?
Thanks in advance.

--

bill@xpresso.UUCP                   (Bill Vance),             Bothell, WA
rwing!xpresso!bill


I want to start a DSP project that can maniplate music in a stereo cassette.
Is that any chip set, development kit and/or compiler that
can equilize/mix music?  Ideally, The system should have D/A A/D converters &
a DSP compiler.  A rough estimate of the cost is greately appreciated.

Thanks in advance.


[most of post deleted]
There is an easy way out....
Post the flyers on the stall doors, but add at the bottom, in nice large
capitals,

      EMERGENCY TOILET PAPER

:)


[stuff delete]

Hear! Hear! I agree completely. One thing I can't stand about
the Mac interface is its shear determination to FORCE you to use
the mouse(what if your mouse breaks--your whole system is
down!).  I like the mouse--it is handy on some occassions such
as cut and past and moving icons around, etc.  But for most
work, the keyboard and hot keys are 10-20 times faster than
using the mouse. Sure it is a plus to be able to do something
simple if you are an inexperienced user, but how long is it
before your are experienced? A month? Two? (Speaking of PCs at
the moment.)
	I don't think it is too much to ask that window
programmers provide not only a menu/mouse interface but also
look forward to those who would like to move on to hot keys and
command line interfaces, which usually allows you to do more in
less time IF you are experienced.
	All of the above equally applies to windowing systems on
UNIX (especially since Unix is at least 500% more powerful than
DOS).


I heard over NPR yesterday morning that Arlan Specter, Senator from
Pennsylvania, has already called for a Congressional investigation.
The problem is that Specter was one of the key government attorneys several
years ago who did what he could to coverup facts in the assassinations
of JFK and others.  That is to say, the Chief Fox wants to check out
the hen house.  Writing your representatives is a great idea.  When
you do ask that they keep Specter and his cronies far away from
any investigation.


I think a new organization would be a much better idea, as the NRA
carries as much undesireable baggage for me as the EFF and CPSR do
for others.

Are any hot-shot, reputable organizers reading this message?  If an
effective group comes into existence, it can count on me signing up.


blechhhh.  Gimme that ole' time Inquisition ...

It figures, doesn't it?


Could someone tell me how to make/find/get the best frontplate for
IIvi/IIvx/C650 with internal SyQuest drive?

Is there one available or do I have to make one from the original or
CD-ROM one or scratch?

Every suggestion welcome.


Joint Press release ESA/UN No 18-93
Paris, 19 April 1993

UN/ESA joint training course on satellite applications
to be held in Italy, 19-30 April

The United Nations and the European Space Agency (ESA)
are jointly organising a training course on the applications of
satellite data gathered by the European Remote Sensing
Satellite (ERS-1), to be held in Frascati, Italy, from 19 to 30
April. The training course will discuss the applications of
satellite data concerning natural resources, renewable energy
and the environment.

The training course, organised for the benefit of francophone
African experts, will be hosted by ESRIN, the European Space
Agency's establishment in Frascati, which is responsible for
coordination with the users of data from ESA's remote sensing
satellite. Twenty-four experts in the field of remote sensing,
selected from 19 francophone countries from northern, western
and central Africa, and three regional African centres, will
attend the two-week session. The course will focus on remote
sensing techniques and data applications, particularly ERS-1
data.

The ERS-1 satellite, developed by ESA and launched in 1991
with the European Ariane launcher, carries an advanced radar
instrument and is the first in a series of radar remote sensing
missions that will ensure availability of data beyond the year
2000. The aim of the training course is to increase the
potential of experts using the practical applications of radar
remote sensing systems to natural resources, renewable energy
and the environment, with particular emphasis on applications
to geology and mineral prospecting, oceanography and near-
coastal areas, agriculture, forestry and meteorology.

The education and practical training programme was
developed jointly by the United Nations and ESA. The
facilities and the technical support, as well as lecturers and
information documents for the training course, will be
provided by the Agency. Lecturers at the training course will
include high-level experts from other European and African
organisations active in remote sensing applications. Funds for
the training course are being provided by the United Nations

Trust Fund for New and Renewable Sources of Energy; the
primary contributor to that Fund is the Government of Italy.


Perhaps it's time to start rec.sport.baseball.graffiti, where the kiddies
can go yell taunts and insults at each other and leave the rest of us in
peace.


Yeah, right.

So, let's see. If some guy writes a piece with a title that implies
something is the case then it must be so, is that it?

This supports nothing. I have no reason to believe that this is
piece is anything other than another anti-Islamic slander job.
I have no respect for titles, only for real content. I can look
up this article if I want, true. But I can tell you BCCI was _not_
an Islamic bank. Seeing as I'm spending my time responding to
propaganda (in responding to this little sub-thread) I really
don't feel a deep need to do more than make statements to the
effect that the propaganda is false. If someone wants to discuss
the issue more seriously then I'd be glad to have a real discussion,
providing references, etc.


No, he does not.  Arafat explicitly *denies* this claim.

from a Libyan televison interview with Yasser Arafat 7-19-1991
Q: Some people say that the Palestinian revolution has many times changed
   its strategies and tactics, something which has left its imprint on the
   Palestinian problem and on the Palestinian Liberation Front.  The
   [strategies and tactics] have not been clear.  The question is, is the
   direction of the Palestinian problem clear?  The Palestinian leadership
   has stopped, or at least this is what has been said in the media, this
   happened on the way to the dialogue with the United States, the PLO
   recognized something called "Israel"...

A: No, no, no!  We do not recognize the State of Israel.  We said
   "recognition" -- when a Palestinian state is established.  It will then
   decide if to recognize Israel or not.  When it is established, its
   parliament will convene and decide.

	And replace them with what?  If Israel is to withdraw its
control of any territory, there must be two prerequsites.  One is that
it leads to a reduction in deaths.  The second is that it should not
weaken Israels bargianing position with respect to peace talks.

	Leaving Gaza unilateraly is a bad idea because it encourages
arabs to think they can get what they want by killing Jews.  The only
way Israel should pull out of Gaza is at the end of negotiations.
These negotiations should lead to a mutually agreeable solution with
security guarantees for both sides.

	Until arabs are ready to sit down at the table and talk again,
they should not expect, or recieve more concessions.

Adam

Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu


Fucking news reader... I don't think this got posted...  If it did, ignore
it this time.

(A response to Korey)

------------ begin my response -----------------
[...]

Maybe because the claims deserve refute?  The above abstract lists various
possible links to cannabis use (unfiltered almost guaranteed) and lung
problems.  Someone may get overly excited when they see that article, but
without actually digging up the study and seeing how the studies gathered
their data it really doesn't tell you shit.  I'm going to track down that
study hopefully tomarrow.

[...]

What justifies _the_ truth about drugs?  Research?  What sort of
research?  Correlational data can help establish a theory, but it does not
prove anything.

Heroin _is_ a relatively safe drug.  What makes it unsafe are IV administration
and shit like adulterants.  There are side effects, like withdrawal, but they
effect people differently.

Stereotypical statement.  I know people who use heroin and opiates that
function just fine in society.

Name some of these drugs so we can debate about them more specifically.

[...]

NO, NO, NO.  (or at least I haven't been arguing this).  there is not enough
data to form a scientific conclusion.  that _doesn't_ mean that cannabis
is benign to users' lungs.  we can form all the theories we want, but they
are only theories.  some theories are supported by more evidence than others,
and that makes them stronger.

the hell I can't!  they state *UN-JUSTIFIED CONCLUSIONS* *AS FACT* as
a *POLITICAL* strategy to stop drug use.

[...]

In general, I somewhat see what you're saying.  And people like Jack Herer
contribute to this.  This has been quite a big mind-fuck for me recently,
and I've pretty came to the conclusion that you can't trust _ANYBODY_ by
word of mouth alone -- my attitude about the general population has
decreased significantly.

gotta run to class..

-marc
andersom@spot.colorado.edu


: Unless... some insurance agent offers a multi-vehicle discount.  They
: do this all the time for cars, assuming that you're only capable of

Progressive offers multi-vehicle discounts.
Good prices too IMHO.

tony


: My next project is to come up with an IF/detector module for fast -- 112
: to 250 kB/sec -- packet radio use.  No fancy modulation scheme, just
: wide FSK for use at 902 or 1296 MHz.

: I'm a bit familiar with the Motorola 3362 chip, but I wonder if there
: are newer designs that might work at higher input frequencies.

: My goal is to come up with an inexpensive design for a receiver "back
: end" with IF input on one end and an FSK demondulator on the other.  I'm
: particularly interested in ways to use a higher IF than 10.7 -- do any
: current chips work up to, say 150MHz with internal downconversion so a
: normal IF filter can be used?

: Any suggestions?

: John

  What you describe is very close to what I built and described in the
10th ARRL Computer Network Conference proceedings.

  I built 10 watt FSK transceivers at 904 MHz.  They are essentially
double conversion transverters with digital mod and demod at 29 MHz.
The receiver uses the MC13055 which is the same FSK receiver chip I used
previouslyu in the 2 Mbps 10 GHz data link I first published in Ham
Radio and which is now also in the ARRL handbook.

  The MC3356, which includes a VHF converter section, could also be used
at these speeds.  There is a newer and perhaps slightly improved design
of this (the MC13056 if I remember rightly).

  While using this would have let me reduce the "external" IF count on
receive, it didn't really offer all that much help on transmit so I
didn't bother with it.

  The radios I built were first designed and built for 512 kbps in a 2
MHz channel but later reduced to half that.  These 256 kbps radios
actually have done quite well in across-the-bench tests at 384 kbps and
speed is pretty much a function of filter design.  Handling the data
stream is another matter entirely.

  Some of the existing radios are currently deployed on hilltops in a
"beacon" test mode.  While there is not yet end-end two-way data flow
due to lack of resources to debug software for the digital hardware (MIO
also shown in the CNC proceedings), data is perfect copy at n6gn.  Even
though the data clock is currently at about half speed, the a 2+ kbytes
of the test text (chapter 55 of Isaiah) takes only a little over 1/8 of
a second.

  I've been hoping that someone would get interested enough to step in
and get involved in writing code to make the whole thing usable (Borland
IDE environment with remote debugging possible as mentioned in the
proceedings) but to date a couple of us have been on our own and running
low on resources of time, money and energy.

  If anyone in the SF bay area wants to check it out there is also a CW
ID after the text on the mark side at 904.740 MHz from beacons on Sonoma
Mtn and Black Mtn (overlooking Si valley).  The antenna is horizontally
polarized.

  I guess in retrospect my suggestions are that this is a fairly costly
approach if the radios are intended for users rather than backbones and
you might want to carefully consider your "target".  If you can't
arrange your paths such that you have complete line-of-sight I think
you'll want to address the inter-symbol-interference caused by
multipath and probably link C/N budgets if paths are very far from LOS.
For more details, see the 10th CNC.  I'm currently working on a spread
spectrum, direct conversion design to address some of these problems.
I'd be glad to help as I can with any design problems.

73
Glenn Elmore n6gn


The Orioles' pitching staff again is having a fine exhibition season.
Four shutouts, low team ERA, (Well, I haven't gotten any baseball news since
March 14 but anyways) Could they contend, yes. Could they win it all?  Maybe.

But for all those fans of teams with bad spring records, remember Earl
Weaver's first law of baseball (From his book on managing)

No one gives a damn in July if you lost a game in March. :)

BTW, anyone have any idea on the contenders for the O's fifth starter?
It's pretty much set that Sutcliffe, Mussina, McDonald and Rhodes are the
first four in the rotation.


Ok boys & girls, hang on; here we go!

   Christ's Eternal Gospel               Robinson & Robinson
   The Dead Sea Scrolls & the NT         WS LaSor
   James the Just in Habakkuk Pesher     RH Eisenman
   Maccabees ... Quamran                 RH Eisenman
   Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered            Eisenman & Wise
   Dead Sea Scrolls Deception            Baigent & Leigh
   Jesus & Riddle of Dead Sea Scrolls    B Thiering
   Jesus Scroll                          D Joyce

Happy Reading & welcome aboard

A poor Wayfaring Stranger [some say, a Strange One] in a strange land,

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To all a.a readers:
     I have been asked be several of you to post a list of the SDA Church's
27 Fundamental beliefs.  I warn you now, it's a long list.  However, I'll
post it on Sunday.  Sabbath is coming up soon so I won't be reading on
Saturday.  And I don't have time to do it now.
     I would GREATLY appreciate it if you would keep me in touch with what's
going on.
     I hope all of you have a reastful and relaxing weekend.  I hope it's
the best one so far!!


so you want to decrease players' salaries?

so you want to increase owners' salaries?

the two are equivalent.


The magnets are huge!  Good MRI sets with big (>1.5 Tesla) magnets
cost millions of dollars.  Then, the radiologist wants $400 for
reading each scan.

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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."


dwight tuinstra posts a very interesting message in which he comments on the
effects of the Clipper chip on state and local police. Actually, reading
between the lines, it could be a very good thing for civil liberties in one
respect, since it will at least prevent cowboy cops and cowboy state and
local agancies from reading your traffic if they tap it illegally.

There has been extensive discussion in the eff forum, for example, about
inadmissible taps being used to develop information that could then lead to
admissible evidence.  This might put a stop to such things, which must from
time to time be simple fishing expeditions.

David