How can a witness tell that someone in a burning truck is dead rather than
unconscious?

What kind of witnesses?  If we are talking about witnesses who were at
the accident, or were otherwise directly involved (e.g., paramedics,
emergency room doctors, etc.), then they should have been used at the
first trial.  You don't get a new trial because you screwed up and
forgot to call all of your witnesses.

If we are talking about new expert witnesses who will offer new
interpretations of the data, note that the loser can *ALWAYS* find
such witnesses.  If this were grounds for a new trial, then the loser
could *ALWAYS* get a new trial, and keep doing so until the loser
becomes a winner (and then the other side would come up with new
expert witnesses).


Wrong. I got two points, which were the 100% sample space on the show
floor. By the previous quote, I guess I may drow a determinstic line?
As unfair as it may seem, the difference between Chrysler and Toyota is
that Chrysler needs to prove that it can build quality cars. Toyota can
afford make a few small mistakes without hurting the image.

After all, door seal failing on a 6-year old Stanza is not comparable to
the same problem on a brand new Intreprid.


Well, you really can't dig a hole with a stock Shovel; you at least need some
performance mods like stroking and cams.  Besides, it's REAL bad on the
rear tire.


Here we go again. Is this the same idiot who posted the Gretzky
trade to Toronto????   Sheeeesh!  You should have waited until we got
over that one before this garbage, maybe we would have believed it for
half a second (NOT!).

   By the way, I just heard from Mother Goose that Mario Lemieux was
traded to Winnpeg for Tie Domi!!!!!


: The cops/feds do *not* need to be able to get hold of your private key to
: listen in to cellular conversations.  Encryption is not end-to-end, but
: cellphone to base-station - it *has* to be this way so that cellular users
: and fixed installations can talk to each other.  For cellular to cellular
: calls, the transmission is decrypted at the base-station, passed to another
: base-station and re-encrypted.  The cops/feds can listen to the unscrambled
: call *provided* they get a warrant to tap into the cellular provider's
: equipment.  The only reason for wanting a crackable system is so they can
: listen without having to obtain a warrant.

: But, maybe the Clipper system is secure, and they really do need a warrant
: to get the key out of escrow before they can listen in using a scanner (see
: above - they don't *have* to go down this route anyway).  I have my doubts,
: but even if true once they have the key they will *never* again need a
: warrant to tap into that particular phone whenever they want.  `Well, Judge,
: it appears he wasn't a drug-dealer after all, so naturally we'll stop
: listening in'...

That was true for the UK Paul, but I'm fairly sure they're talking about
building end-to-end encryption phones out of this chip.  It's *not* for
cellular (though it certainly could be used there in the way you suggest)


                                                           The Israelis
   used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters.

Eh????  Could you please give me details about an event where a "Neutral
Observer" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier?

--Amos


I would like to make everyone aware that in winning the NL West the Atlanta
Braves did not lead wire-to-wire.  Through games of 4/14/93 the Houston
Astros are percentage points ahead of the "unbeatable" Braves.

Go Astros!!!!!


If raw materials where to cost enough that getting them from space would
be cost effective then the entire world economy would colapse long
before the space mines could be built.

  Allen


I am glad that you recognize that people should not engage in denial
and repression, and should acknowledge such. The United States, with
its people, have recognized that repression has taken place, with the
loss and outright abrogation of civil liberties and constitutional
protections of citizens. This recognition has taken the form of the
civil rights law (let's just discuss the federal level for now), such
as 18 USC 241 et. seq., 42 USC 1981 et. seq, et. al.
   With this recognition of repression, at times manifested in the
form of collective guilt, I want people to recognize denial.
Though it can be said that white people numerically commit more
crimes in the United States, because white people are a majority,
it can also be said that black people commit a disproportionate
amount of crime in the United States, in their relation to their
numbers in population.
   My views are out of experiences when I was a police officer
in a large metropolitan area, and of a citizen. Unless people
account for their behavior, and for the behavior of their immediate
community, nothing will improve.

Regards,


Do YOU eat all your food cold?
--


The Chicago Tribune pitching form has Perez pitching today (4/16).  But
given the way that Buck changes his rotation so often, that could just be
the work of a confused stat-page editor.


Of course its possible, I get 1024x768 on my Centris 650. All you need is
a correctly wired video cable.

Gary

--


Hello,

I am looking for a PC card with the following features:

  - Controller for IDE(AT-Bus)-HardDiskDrive
  - Controller for 2 FloppyDiskDrives
  - Standard(256KB) VGA Graphics  INCLUDING FEATURE CONNECTOR (important!)
                                  ===========================

There *are* some manufacturors/distributors of this kind of card, but I have
not found them yet.

If you can help me, please mail to:  ICH344@DJUKFA11
                                     ICH344@zam001.zam.kfa-juelich.de


wing the suggestion of Stu Lynne, I have posted the Image File Format executable and source code to alt.sources.


RB>
RB>   No, that's praying on the young.  Preying on the young comes
RB>   later, when the bright eyed little altar boy finds out what the
RB>   priest really wears under that chasible.

The same thing Scotsmen where under there kilt.

I'll never forget the day when I was about tweleve and accidently
walked in on a roomfull of priests sitting around in their underware
drinking beer and watching football.

Kind of changed my opinion a bit.  They didn't seem so menacing after
that.


Archive-name: x-faq/part3
Last-modified: 1993/04/04

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Subject:  58)! Where can I get patches to X11R5?

	The release of new public patches by the MIT X Consortium is announced
in the comp.windows.x.announce newsgroup.

	Patches themselves are available via ftp from export and from other
sites from which X11 is available. They are now also distributed through the
newsgroup comp.sources.x. Some source re-sellers may be including patches in
their source distributions of X11.

	People without ftp access can use the xstuff mail server. It now has
23 patches for X11R5 [3/93].  Send to xstuff@expo.lcs.mit.edu the Subject line
		send fixes #
where # is the name of the patch and is usually just the number of the patch.

	Here are a few complications:
	1) fix 5 is in four parts; you need to request "5a", "5b", "5c" and
"5d" separately
	2) the file sunGX.uu, which was part of an earlier patch, was
re-released with patch 7 [note: the file doesn't work with Solaris]
	3) fix 8 is in two parts: "8a" and "8b"
	4) fix 13 is in three parts: "13a", "13b", and "13c"
	5) fix 16 is in two parts: "16a" and "16b"
	6) fix 18 replaces the R5fix-test1 for the X Test Suite, which
previously was optional
	7) fix 19 also needs PEXlib.tar.Z, which you can obtain from xstuff
by asking for "PEXlib.uu.[1234]".
	8) fix 22 is in 9 parts, "22a" through "22i"

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Subject:  59)  What is the xstuff mail-archive?

	The xstuff server is a mail-response program. That means that you mail
it a request, and it mails back the response.
	Any of the four possible commands must be the first word on a line. The
xstuff server reads your entire message before it does anything, so you can
have several different commands in a single message (unless you ask for help).
The xstuff server treats the "Subject:" header line just like any other line
of the message.
	The archives are organized into a series of directories and
subdirectories.  Each directory has an index, and each subdirectory has an
index. The top-level index gives you an overview of what is in the
subdirectories, and the index for each subdirectory tells you what is in it.

	1) The command "help" or "send help" causes the server to send you a
more detailed version of this help file.
	2) if your message contains a line whose first word is "index", then
the server will send you the top-level index of the contents of the archive. If
there are other words on that line that match the name of subdirectories, then
the indexes for those subdirectories are sent instead of the top-level index.
For example, you can say "send index fixes" (or "index fixes"). A message that
requests an index cannot request data.
	3) if your message contains a line whose first word is "send", then the
xstuff server will send you the item(s) named on the rest of the line. To name
an item, you give its directory and its name. For example
                send fixes 1 4 8a 8b 9
	You may issue multiple send requests. The xstuff server contains many
safeguards to ensure that it is not monopolized by people asking for large
amounts of data. The mailer is set up so that it will send no more than a fixed
amount of data each day. If the work queue contains more requests than the
day's quota, then the unsent files will not be processed until the next day.
Whenever the mailer is run to send its day's quota, it sends the requests out
shortest-first.
	4) Some mailers produce mail headers that are unusable for extracting
return addresses.  If you use such a mailer, you won't get any response.  If
you happen to know an explicit path, you can include a line like
        path foo%bar.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu
or
        path bar!foo!frotz
in the body of your message, and the daemon will use it.

	The xstuff server itself can be reached at xstuff@expo.lcs.mit.edu. If
your mailer deals in "!" notation, try sending to
{someplace}!mit-eddie!expo.lcs.mit.edu!xstuff.

[based on information from the MIT X Consortium, 8/89, 4/90.]

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Subject:  60)! Where can I get X11R4 (source and binaries)?

	Integrated Computer Solutions, Inc., ships X11R4 on half-inch,
quarter-inch, and TK50 formats. Call 617-621-0060 for ordering information.

	The Free Software Foundation (617-876-3296) sells X11R4 on half-inch
tapes and on QIC-24 cartridges.

	Yaser Doleh (doleh@math-cs.kent.EDU; P.O. Box 1301, Kent, OH 44240) is
making X11R4 available on HP format tapes, 16 track, and Sun cartridges. [2/90]

	European sites can obtain a free X11R4 distribution from Jamie Watson,
who may be reached at chx400!pan!jw or jw@pan.uu.ch. [10/90]

	Non Standard Logics (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr) makes source
available.

	IXI Limited (+44 223 462 131) is selling X11R4 source on quarter-inch
cartridge formats and on 5.25" and 3.5" floppy, with other formats available on
request. [IXI, 2/90]

	Virtual Technologies (703-430-9247) provides the entire X11R4
compressed source release on a single QIC-24 quarter-inch cartridge and also on
1.2meg or 1.44 meg floppies upon request. [Conor Cahill
(cpcahil@virtech.uu.net) 2/90]

	Young Minds (714-335-1350) makes the R4 and GNU distributions available
on a full-text-indexed CD-ROM.

[Note that some distributions are media-only and do not include docs.]

	X11R4 is ftp-able from export.lcs.mit.edu; these sites are preferable,
though, and are more direct:

                        Machine                  Internet      FTP
    Location            Name                     Address       Directory
    --------            -------                  --------      -------------
(1) West USA            gatekeeper.dec.com       16.1.0.2      pub/X11/R4
    Central USA         mordred.cs.purdue.edu    128.10.2.2    pub/X11/R4
(2) Central USA         giza.cis.ohio-state.edu  128.146.8.61  pub/X.V11R4
    Southeast USA       uunet.uu.net             192.48.96.2   X/R4
(3) Northeast USA       crl.dec.com              192.58.206.2  pub/X11/R4
(4) UK Janet            src.doc.ic.ac.uk         129.31.81.36  X.V11R4
    UK niftp            uk.ac.ic.doc.src                       <XV11R4>
(5) Australia           munnari.oz.au            128.250.1.21  X.V11/R4

The giza.cis.ohio-state.edu site, in particular, is known to have much of the
contrib stuff that can be found on export.

The release is available to DEC Easynet sites as CRL::"/pub/X11/R4".

Sites in Australia may contact this address: ftp.Adelaide.EDU.AU [129.127.40.3]
and check the directory pub/X/R4. The machine shadows export and archives
comp.sources.x. (Mark Prior, mrp@ucs.adelaide.edu.au, 5/90)

Note: a much more complete list is distributed as part of the introductory
postings to comp.sources.x.

A set of X11R4 binaries built by Tom Roell (roell@informatik.tu-muenchen.de)
for the 386/ix will available from export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib and in
/pub/i386/X11R4 from 131.159.8.35 in Europe. Stephen Hite
(shite@sinkhole.unf.edu) can also distribute to folks without ftp facilities
via disks sent SASE; contact him for USmail and shipping details. [12/90] In
addition, the binaries are available via uucp from szebra [1-408-739-1520, TB+
(PEP); ogin:nuucp sword:nuucp] in /usr2/xbbs/bbs/x.  In addition, the source is
on zok in /usrX/i386.R4server/. [2/91] In addition, if you are in the US, the
latest SVR4 binary (April 15), patches, and fonts are available on
piggy.ucsb.edu (128.111.72.50) in the directory /pub/X386, same filenames as
above. (Please use after 6pm Pacific, as these are large files.) [5/91]

A set of HP 9000/800 binaries is available on hpcvaaz.cv.hp.com (15.255.72.15)
as ~ftp/pub/MitX11R4/libs.x800.Z. [2/91]

A set of X11R4 binaries for the NeXT 2.x have been made available by Howie Kaye
on cunixf.cc.columbia.edu

A set of binaries by John Coolidge (coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu) for the Mac running
A/UX 2.0 is available from wuarchive.wustl.edu in the file
(/archive/systems/aux/X11R4/Xupdate2.tar.Z). Also in X11R4/diffs is a set of
patches for making X11R4 with shared libraries with mkshlib.

A complete distribution of SCO X11R4 binaries by Baruch Cochavy
(blue@techunix.technion.ac.il) can be found on uunet. The server is Roell's
X386 1.1b, compiled for ET4000 based SVGA boards.

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Subject:  61)  Where can I get OSF/Motif?

	You can obtain either OSF/Motif source or binaries from a number of
vendors.
	Motif 1.2.2 source is now available; it is based on X11R5.
	Motif 1.1 is based on the R4.18 Intrinsics and is currently [7/92] at
1.1.5.
	An OSF/Motif source license must be obtained from OSF before source can
be obtained from the Open Software Foundation or any value-added vendor for
any version. Call the Direct Channels Desk at OSF at 617-621-7300 for ordering
information.
	Various hardware vendors produce developer's toolkits of binaries,
header files, and documentation; check your hardware vendor, particularly if
that vendor is an OSF member.
	In addition, independent binary vendors produce Motif toolkits for
machines for which Motif is not supported by a vendor; the kits include varied
levels of bug-fixing and support for shared libraries and are based on widely
divergent version of Motif:
	Quest (408-988-8880) sells kits for Suns, as well;
	IXI (+44 223 462 131) offers kits for Sun3 and Sun4.
	NSL (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr) offers kits for the Sun 3
and Sun 4.
	Bluestone Consulting makes a kit for Sun systems.
	ICS (617-62-0060) makes several binary kits, notably for Sun, DEC.
	HP and DEC have announced support for Motif on Sun systems.
	Unipalm (+44-954-211-797) currently offers for Sun systems a Motif
Development Kit including X11R4 and based on Motif 1.1.2. The US distributor is
Expert Object Corp (708-926-8500).
	BIM ships Motif 1.1 binaries for Suns. Shared library support is
included. Contact Alain Vermeiren (av@sunbim.be) or Danny Backx (db@sunbim.be)
at +32(2)759.59.25 (Fax : +32(2)759.47.95) (Belgium).
	SILOGIC (+33 61.57.95.95) ships Motif 1.2 and Motif 1.1 on Sun
machines.
	S.I. Systems offers Motif 1.2 for Solaris 2.1; info: 1-800-755-8649 in
USA and Canada.
	Metro Link Inc. (305-970-7353, sales@metrolink.com; in Europe contact
ADNT, (33 1) 3956 5333, UniVision (UK) Ltd. (44) 628 82 22 81) ships an
implementation of X11R4 and Motif 1.1.2 (including a shared-library
implementation of libXm.a) for the 386/486 Unix market.  Motif 1.1.2 is
also available for Sun Sparc based workstations. It has also announced
Motif 1.2 for Solaris systems.

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Subject:  62)  Does Motif work with X11R4? X11R5?

	Motif 1.2 is based on X11R5.
	Motif 1.1, available in source form from OSF as of August 1990, uses
the "vanilla" X11R4 Intrinsics, where "vanilla" means "with just a few
patches"; the file fix-osf which OSF distributes is obsoleted by MIT's patches
15-17.  The file fix-osf-1.1.1 distributed with the 1.1.1 version or its
subsequent modification needs to be applied after MIT fix-18, though.

	Motif 1.1.1 to 1.1.3 will work with X11R5 if X11R5 is compiled with
-DMOTIFBC; 1.1.4 and later should work with the vanilla R5, although there are
some known new geometry-management problems.

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Subject:  63)  Where can I get toolkits implementing OPEN LOOK?

	Sun's XView has a SunView-style API. A version is on the X11R4 tape;
the latest [2/92] 3.0 sources are on export in contrib/xview3/.
	XView and X binaries for the Sun 386i ("roadrunner") are available for
ftp from svin01.win.tue.nl (131.155.70.70), directory pub/X11R4_386i.
	Supported binaries of XView 2.0 or 3.0 include:

XView for non-Sun Platforms  (domestic and selected international vendors).
Several are also available from Sun; contact your local sales office.

Amiga		GfxBase, Inc.		1881 Ellwell Drive
(AmigaDOS)	(408) 262-1469		Milpitas, CA 95035
		Fax: (408) 262-8276

SGI
Sony (NEWS-OS)
IBM RS/6000
HP 9000
DECstation	UniPress Software	2025 Lincoln Highway
(Ultrix)	(908) 985-8000		Edison, NJ 08817
		Fax: (908) 287-4929

		UniPress Software, Ltd.		PO Box 70
		44-624-661-8850			Viking House
		Fax: 44-624-663-453		Nelson Street
						Douglas, Isle of Man
						United Kingdom

DEC VAXstation	TGV			603 Mission Street
(VMS)		(800) TGV-3440		Santa Cruz, CA 95060
		(408) 427-4366
		Fax: (408) 427-4365

		Unipalm Ltd.			145-147 St. Neots Road
		44-0954-211797			Hardwick
		Fax: 44-0954-211244		Cambridge CB3 7QJ
						England

Intel 386	Quarterdeck Office	150 Pico Boulevard
(DOS)		Systems			Santa Monica, CA 90405
		(213) 392-9851
		Fax: (213) 399-3802

Intel 386	SunSoft Corporation	6601 Center Drive West
(Interactive	310-348-8649		Suite 700
 UNIX and				Los Angeles, CA  90045
 SCO UNIX)

Stardent	Scripps Institute	Clinic MB-5
(Stellix OS	Fax: (619) 554-4485	10666 N. Torrey Pines Road
 and Titan OS)	Include mailstop MB-5	La Jolla, CA 92057
		By ftp: 192.42.82.8 in pub/binary/{Xview.README,XView.tar.Z}

	AT&T's OPEN LOOK GUI 3.0 Xt-based toolkit is now generally available
[2/92]; contact 1-800-828-UNIX#544 for information. Binaries are produced
for SPARC systems by International Quest Corporation (408-988-8289). A version
of the toolkit is also produced under the name OLIT by Sun.
	More recent versions of OLIT have been ported to IBM 6000 and DEC MIPS
by both UniPress and ICS. OLIT is also available for HP from Melillo Consulting
(908-873-0075). MJM (Somerset, NJ) makes OLIT 4.0 for HP 7xx series running
HPUX 8.0, DECstations, and RS/6000s [thanks to Joanne Newbauer,
jo@attunix.att.com, 908-522-6677.]

	Sun is shipping OpenWindows 3.0; contact your local sales
representative for more details; the package includes toolkit binaries and
header files.

	ParcPlace's (formerly Solbourne's) extensible C++-based Object
Interface Library, which supports run-time selection between Open Look or
Motif, is available from 303-678-4626. [5/92]

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Subject:  64)! Where can I get other X sources? (including R5 modifications)

	The MIT Software Center ships the X Test Suite on tape.

	A multi-threaded version of Xlib based on X11R5 patch 12 is now
available for anonymous FTP from (new version 1/93):
        DEC on gatekeeper.dec.com (16.1.0.2) in /pub/X11/contrib/mt-xlib-1.1
        MIT on export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12) in /contrib/mt-xlib-1.1

	HP has made available drivers to permit the building of the X11R5
sample server on the HP 9000 Series 700 workstations; the files are on
export.lcs.mit.edu in ~ftp/contrib/R5.HP.SRV. [8/92]

	User-contributed software is distributed through the newsgroup
comp.sources.x, moderated by Chris Olson (chris@imd.sterling.com); also check
that group for posting information.

	Richard Hesketh (rlh2@ukc.ac.uk) has been creating a list of freely-
available X sources.  The list is stored on export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib as
x-source-list.Z. It lists the main storage locations for the program and
international sites from which it may be ftp'ed.

	The machine export.lcs.mit.edu has a great deal of user-contributed
software in the contrib/ directory; a good deal of it is present in current or
earlier versions on the X11R3, X11R4, and X11R5 contrib tapes. There are also
directories for fixes to contrib software.  The file on export in
contrib/00-index.txt is a quick overall index of the software in that area,
provided by Daniel Lewart (d-lewart@uiuc.edu).

	These sites used to and may still mirror export and are of particular
use for Australasia: Anonymous ftp: ftp.Adelaide.EDU.AU; ACSnet Fetchfile:
sirius.ua.oz.

	The material on giza.cis.ohio-state.edu, which tends to duplicate
the export archives, is also available via anonymous UUCP from osu-cis, at TB+
and V.32 speeds.  Write to uucp@cis.ohio-state.edu (same as osu-cis!uucp) for
instructions. [the archive is now maintained by Karl Kleinpaste]

	A new west-coast UUCP X11 Archive is administered by Mark Snitily
(mark@zok.uucp) and contains the full X11 distribution, the XTEST
distribution, an entire archive of comp.sources.x and other goodies.
	The machine zok has a TB+ modem which will connect to 19.2K, 2400,
1200 baud (in that order).  The anonymous UUCP account is UXarch with password
Xgoodies.  The modem's phone number is 408-996-8285.
	A sample Systems (or L.sys) entry might be:
   		zok Any ACU 19200 4089968285 in:--in: UXarch word: Xgoodies
	To get a current listing of the files that are available, download
the file "/usrX/ls-lR.Z".
	A full subject index of the comp.sources.x files is available in the
file "/usrX/comp.sources.x/INDEX".
	The machine has just the one modem, so please do not fetch large
amounts of data at one sitting.
[courtesy Mark Snitily, 2/90]

In addition, UUNET Source Archives (703-876-5050) tracks comp.sources.x and
provides 800MB+ of compressed programs on 6250 bpi tapes or 1/4" tapes.  It
also mirrors export/contrib in its packages/X directory.

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Subject:  65)! Where can I get interesting widgets?

	The Free Widget Foundation (FWF) library sponsored by Brian Totty
(totty@cs.uiuc.edu) is now [2/93] available on a.cs.uiuc.edu (128.174.252.1)
in pub/fwf-v3.41.shar.Z. The set of widgets there is intended to form the basis
for future contributions. To be added to the discussion list, send to
listserv@cs.uiuc.edu a message saying "subscribe <listname> <your-full-name>"
where <listname> is one of free-widgets-announce, free-widgets-development, or
free-widgets-bugs.  Version 3.4 is current; look for 4.0 in 4/93.
	The Xew widget set contains widgets for data representation.  Version
1.2 [4/93] is on export contrib/Xew-1.2.tar.Z.
	Peter Ware's Xo "Open Widget" set, which has Motif-like functionality,
is on archive.cis.ohio-state.edu as pub/Xo/Xo-2.1.tar.Z [8/92].
	The AthenaTools Plotter Widget Set Version 6-beta [7/92] maintained by
Peter Klingebiel (klin@iat.uni-paderborn.de) includes many graph and plotting
widgets; a copy is on export in plotter.v6b.tar.Z, plotter.doc.tar.Z,
plotter.afm.tar.Z, and plotter.README. The latest versions may in fact be on
ftp@uni-paderborn.de (131.234.2.32) in /unix/tools.
	An advance version of Marc Quinton's Motif port of the FWF MultiList
widget is in ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr:pub/MultiList.tar.Z [143.196.9.31].
	Additional widgets are available on the contrib/ portion of the X11R4
tapes; these include the Xcu set.
	Paul Johnston's (johnston@spc5.jpl.nasa.gov) X Control Panel widget set
emulates hardware counterparts; sources are on export.lcs.mit.edu in
Xc-1.3.tar.Z.
	O'Reilly Volume 4, Doug Young's book, the Asente/Swick book, and Jerry
Smith's "Object-oriented Programming with the X Window System Toolkits" all
include details on writing widgets and include several useful widgets; sources
are typically on export and/or UUNET.
	The Dirt interface builder includes the libXukc widet set which extends
the functionality of Xaw.
	A graph widget and other 2D-plot and 3D-contour widgets by Sundar
Narasimhan (sundar@ai.mit.edu) are available from ftp.ai.mit.edu as
/com/ftp/pub/users/sundar/graph.tar.Z. The graph widget has been updated [3/91]
with documentation and histogram capabilities.
	A graph widget is available from ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr in
pub/Graph.tar.Z; it uses a segment list for drawing and hence supports a zoom
operation.
	Ken Lee's Xm widget (demo) that uses Display PostScript to draw labels
at a non-horizontal angle is on export in contrib/dpslabel.tar.Z.
	The Table widget (works like troff TBL tables) is available in several
flavors, one of which is with the Widget Creation Library release.
	Bell Communications Research has developed a Matrix widget for complex
application layouts; it's on export in contrib/Xbae-widgets-3.8.tar.Z [2/93.
The distribution also includes a "caption" widget to associate labels with
particular GUI components. (7/92)
	Dan Connolly's (connolly@convex.COM) XcRichText interprets RTF data;
it's on export as contrib/XcRichText-1.1.tar.Z.
	The XmGraph Motif-based graphing widget is on iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu in
/comp.hp/GUI_classic/XmGraph.tar.Z although it may not be stable.
	A TeX-style Layout widget by Keith Packard is described in the
proceedings of the 7th MIT Technical Conference (O'Reilly X Resource volume 5);
source is available on export contrib/Layout.tar.Z.

	A version of Lee Iverson's (leei@McRCIM.McGill.EDU) image-viewing tool
is available as contrib/vimage-0.9.3.tar.Z on export.lcs.mit.edu.  The package
also includes an ImageViewPort widget and a FileDialog widget. [12/91;5/92]
	In addition, the PEXt toolkit by Rich Thomson (rthomson@dsd.es.com) is
available on export as PEXt.tar.Z; it includes a PEX widget making it easier to
use PEX in Xt-based programs.
	A Motif port of the Xaw clock widget is in ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr
in pub/Clock.tar.Z.
	A modification of the Xaw ScrollBar widget which supports the arrowhead
style of other toolkits is on export in contrib/Xaw.Scrollbar.mta.Z.

	A beta 0.3 (11/92) release of the R5 Xaw widgets with a 3D visual
appearance by Kaleb Keithley (kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov) is available on export
in contrib/Xaw3d/R5/Xaw3d-0.3.tar.Z. The library, which is binary-compatible
with the MIT Xaw, implements a 3D subclass which handles the extra drawing.

Also:
	The Xmt "Motif Tools", Dovetail Systems's shareware library of 9
widgets and many convenience functions, is available from
export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib and ftp.ora.com:/pub/xbook/Xmt in xmt-README and
xmt-1.0.tar.Z.
	The Xtra XWidgets set includes widgets for pie and bar charts, XY
plots, Help, spreadsheets, data entry forms, and line and bar graphs.  Contact
Graphical Software Technology at 310-328-9338 (info@gst.com) for information.
	The XRT/graph widget, available for Motif, XView and OLIT, displays
X-Y plots, bar and pie charts, and supports user-feedback, fast updates and
PostScript output. Contact KL Group Inc. at 416-594-1026 (info@klg.com).
	A set of data-entry widgets for Motif is available from Marlan
Software, 713-467-1458 (gwg@world.std.com).
	A set of graph widgets is available from Expert Database Systems
(212-370-6700).
	A set of OSF/Motif compound widgets and support routines for 2D
visualization is available from Ms Quek Lee Hian, National Computer Board,
Republic of Singapore; Tel : (65)7720435; Fax : (65)7795966;
leehian@iti.gov.sg, leehian@itivax.bitnet.
	The ICS Widget Databook includes a variety of control widgets and
special-purpose widgets, available on a variety of platforms.  Information:
617-621-0060, info@ics.com.
	Information on graphing tools may be obtained from info@TomSawyer.com
(+1-510-848-0853, fax: +1-510-848-0854).

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Subject:  66)  Where can I get a good file-selector widget?

	The Free Widget Foundation set offers a FileSelector widget, with
separate directory path and file listing windows, and the FileComplete, which
has emacs-style file completion and ~ expansion.
	Other available file-requestor widgets include the XiFileSelector from
Iris Software's book, the xdbx file-selector extracted by David Nedde
(daven@wpi.wpi.edu), and the FileNominator from the aXe distribution.
	The GhostView, Xfig, and vimage packages also include file-selector
widgets.

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Subject:  67)  What widget is appropriate to use as a drawing canvas?

	Some widget sets have a widget particularly for this purpose -- a
WorkSpace or DrawingArea which doesn't display anything but lets your Xt
application know when it has been re-exposed, resized, and when it has received
user key and mouse input.
	The best thing to do for other widget sets -- including the Athena set
-- is to create or obtain such a widget; this is preferable to drawing into a
core widget and grabbing events with XtAddEventHandler(), which loses a number
of benefits of Xt and encapsulation of the functionality .
	At least one version has been posted to comp.sources.x (name???).
	The publicly-available programs xball and xpic include other versions.
	The Athena Widget manual (mit/doc/Xaw/Template in the R5 distribution)
includes a tutorial and source code to a simple widget which is suitable for
use.
	The Free Widget Foundation set contains a Canvas widget.

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Subject:  68)  What is the current state of the world in X terminals?

Jim Morton (jim@applix.com) posts quarterly to comp.windows.x a list of
manufacturers and terminals; it includes pricing information.

Notable buyers-guide surveys include:
	- the September 1991 issue of Systems Integration

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Subject:  69)  Where can I get an X server with a touchscreen or lightpen?

	Labtam (+61 3 587 1444, fax +61 3 580 5581) offers a 19" Surface
Acoustic Wave touch-screen option on its Xengine terminals.
	Tektronix (1-800-225-5434) provides an X terminal with the Xtouch
touch-screen. This terminal may also be resold through Trident Systems
(703-273-1012).
	Metro Link (305-970-7353) supports the EloGraphics Serial Touch Screen
Controllers.

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Subject:  70)  Where can I get an X server on a PC (DOS or Unix)?

	MIT X11R5 already provides a server to many 386/486 *Unixes* with
support for many of the popular video graphics adapters; and for other
non-MSDOS PCs you can obtain a server from these sources:

	XFree86 (formerly X386 1.2E) is an enhanced version of X386 1.2, which
was distributed with X11R5; it includes many bug fixes, speed improvements, and
other enhancements. Source for version 1.2 [2/93] is on export.lcs.mit.edu in
pub/contrib, ftp.physics.su.oz.au in /X386, and ftp.win.tue.nl in /pub/X386. In
addition, binaries are on ftp.physics.su.oz.au, and ftp.win.tue.nl among other
systems. Info: x386@physics.su.oz.au.
	Note: this package obsoletes Glenn Lai's Speedup patches for an
enhanced X11R5 server for 386 UNIXes with ET4000 boards (SpeedUp.tar.Z on
export).

	Metro Link Inc. (305-970-7353, sales@metrolink.com; in Europe contact
ADNT, (33 1) 3956 5333) ships an implementation of X11R4 for the 386/486 Unix
market.

	SGCS offers X386 Version 1.3, based on Thomas Roell's X11R5 two-headed
server, in binary and source form. Information: 408-255-9665, info@sgcs.com.

	ISC, SCO, UHC, and other well-known operating-system vendors typically
offer X servers.

	For MSDOS PCs:

Daniel J. McCoy (mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov) has started posting monthly a
list of non-UNIX servers for PCs, Macs, and Amigas; it includes pricing
information. The current copy is kept on export in contrib as
XServers-NonUNIX.txt.Z.

An article on PC X servers appears in the March 2, 1992 Open Systems Today.

	Also of possible use:

	Net-I from Programit (212-809-1707) enables communication among
DOS, OS/2 and Unix machines and can be used to display PC sessions on your
Unix X display.

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Subject:  71)  Where can I get an X server on a Macintosh running MacOS?

	eXodus from White Pine Software (603-886-9050) runs on any Mac with
at least 1MB of memory and runs the X server within a standard Macintosh
window.  Version 3.0 [6/91] supports intermixing of X and Mac windows and
the ADSP protocol. The version supports the SHAPE extension and includes
DECwindows support.

	Apple's MacX runs on MacPlus or newer machines with >= 2MB of memory
and system software 6.0.4 or later. Version 1.1 is fully X11R4-based.  It
supports full ICCCM-compatible cut and paste of text AND graphics between the
Macintosh and X11 worlds, the SHAPE extension (including SHAPEd windows on the
Macintosh desktop), an optional built-in ICCCM-compliant window manager, X11R4
fonts and colors, a built-in BDF font compiler, and built-in standard
colormaps. Upgrades to MacX are available by ftp from aux.support.apple.com.
Info: 408-996-1010.
	[Note: MacX is also the name of a vax-mac xmodem transfer utility.]

	Also:

	Liken (1-800-245-UNIX or info@qualix.com) software enables monochrome
68000 Mac applications to run on a SPARC system running X.
	Xport (1-800-245-UNIX (415-572-0200) or xport@qualix.com) enables Mac
applications to display on an X-based workstation by turning the Mac into an X
client.
	Intercon has a product called Planet-X which enables Mac applications
to display on an X server.

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Subject:  72)  Where can I get X for the Amiga?

	The new Amiga 3000 machines offer an X server and OPEN LOOK tools and
libraries on a full SVR4 implementation.

        GfxBase, Inc. provides "X11 R4.1" for the AmigaDos computer; it
contains X11R4 clients, fonts, etc., and a Release 4 color server. An optional
programmer's toolkit includes the header files, libraries, and sample programs.
Info from GfxBase, 408-262-1469. [Dale Luck
(uunet!{cbmvax|pyramid}!boing!dale); 2/91]

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Subject:  73)  Where can I get a fast X server for a workstation?

	The R5 server should be among the fastest available for most machines.

	Sun sells a "Direct Xlib" product which improves rendering for
applications running on the same machine as the X server; the replacement Xlib
library accesses graphics hardware directly using Sun's Direct Graphics Access
(DGA) technology.

	International Quest Corporation (408-988-8289) has an optimized R4
server for Sun3/4 under SunOS 4.0.

	Unipalm have R4 Servers for Sun3 and Sparc platforms. These are
optimised to use graphics hardware and will run with Sunview. Information:
+44 954 211797 or xtech@unipalm.co.uk.

	Xgraph's Xtool (408-492-9031) is an X server implemented in SunView
which boasts impressive results on Sun 3 and SPARC systems. [6/90]

Several companies are making hardware accellerator boards:

	Dupont Pixel Systems (302-992-6911), for Sun.

	Megatek's (619-455-5590) X-cellerator board for the Sun 3 and Sun 4 is
based on the TI 34020; the company claims performance improvements of 5x to
10x over the sample X11R3 server.

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Subject:  74)! Where can I get a server for my high-end Sun graphics board?

        Takahashi Naoto (Electrotechnical Laboratory, ntakahas@etl.go.jp) has
modified the MIT X11R5 server to support the Sun CG8, CG9, and CG12 boards.
The files are on export in contrib/Xsun24-3.[01].tar.Z.  Note that both files
are necessary to build Xsun24-3.1.

	The JPL R5 Xsun Multi-screen server is a general purpose replacement
for the MIT server/ddx/sun layer; it provides for the screen to be split among
several monitors and implements several other features above the MIT
implementation. Available on export.lcs.mit.edu in the file
contrib/R5.Xsun.multi-screen.tar.Z. [Kaleb Keithley, kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov,
12/91; the file was updated 24 Mar 1993.]

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Subject:  75)  Where can I get an "X terminal" server for my low-end Sun 3/50?

	Seth Robertson (seth@ctr.columbia.edu) has written Xkernel; the current
version [1.4 as of 8/91, 2.0 expected RSN] is on sol.ctr.columbia.edu
[128.59.64.40] in /pub/Xkernel.gamma. It turns a Sun 3/50 into a pseudo- X
terminal; most of the overhead of the operating system is side-stepped, so it
is fairly fast and needs little disk space.
	A similar approach is to run the regular X server by making /etc/init
a shell script which does the minimal setup and then invokes Xsun, like this
example script from mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.EDU:

#! /bin/sh
exec >/dev/console 2>&1
/etc/fsck -p /dev/nd0
case $? in
 	0)	;;
 	4)	/etc/reboot -q -n
 		;;
 	8)	echo ND fsck failed - get help
 		/etc/halt
 		;;
 	12)	echo Interrupted
 		/etc/reboot
 		;;
 	*)	echo Unknown error in reboot fsck - get help
 		/etc/halt
 		;;
esac
/bin/dd if=/tmp-fs of=/dev/nd2 bs=512 count=128 >/dev/null 2>&1
/etc/mount /dev/nd2 /tmp
/etc/ifconfig le0 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 132.206.41.255
/etc/mount -o ro apollo:/u2/x11/lib /local/lib/X11
/etc/route add default 132.206.41.1 1 >/dev/null
set `/etc/ifconfig le0`
exec /Xsun -once -multidisp -mux -query \
	`(sh -vn </local/lib/X11/xdm-servers/$2 2>&1)`

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Subject:  76)  What terminal emulators other than xterm are available?

	PCS has rewritten xterm from scratch using a multi-widget approach that
can be used by applications. A version is on the R5 contrib tape and on
export in contrib/emu.tar.Z [10/91]. For more information, contact
me@dude.pcs.com.

	mxterm, a Motif-based xterm is available from the Paderborner
ftp-Server ftp@uni-paderborn.de (131.234.2.32), file
/unix/X11/more_contrib/mxterm.tar.Z.

	The Color Terminal Widget provides ANSI-terminal emulation compatible
with the VTx00 series; a version is on export in contrib/CTW-1.1.tar.Z. A
Motif version is on ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr in pub/Term-1.0.tar.Z.

	kterm 4.1.2 is an X11R4-based vt100/vt102 (and Tektronix 4014) terminal
emulator that supports display of Chinese, Japanese, and Korean text (in VT
mode).  Also supported are: ANSI color sequences, multi-byte word selection,
limited Compound Text support, and tab and newline preservation in selections.
kterm 4.1.2 is also available from these anonymous ftp sites:
	clr.nmsu.edu:pub/misc/kterm-4.1.2.tar.Z  [128.123.1.14]
	export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/kterm-4.1.2.tar.Z  [18.24.0.12]
	kum.kaist.ac.kr:pub/unix/Xstuffs/kterm-4.1.2.tar.Z  [137.68.1.65]
[courtesy of Mark Leisher <mleisher@nmsu.edu> ]

	kterm-5.1.1.tar.Z is now on export [12/92].

	mterm, by mouse@larry.McRCIM.McGill.EDU, is an X terminal emulator
which includes ANSI X3.64 and DEC emulation modes.  mterm can be had by ftp to
larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (132.206.1.1), in X/mterm.src/mterm.ball-o-wax.

	Cxterm is a Chinese xterm, which supports both GB2312-1980 and the
so-called Big-5 encoding.  Hanzi input conversion mechanism is builtin in
cxterm.  Most input methods are stored in external files that are loaded at run
time.  Users can redefine any existing input methods or create their own ones.
The X11R5 cxterm is the rewritten of cxterm (version 11.5.1) based on X11R5
xterm; it is in the R5 contrib software.  [thanks to Zhou Ning
<zhou@tele.unit.no> and Steinar Bang <uunet!idt.unit.no!steinarb>.]

	XVT is available on export's contrib in xvt-1.0.tar.Z and
xvt-1.0.README. It is designed to offer xterm's functionality with lower swap
space and may be of particular use on systems driving many X terminals.

	x3270 is in X11R5 contrib/.

Also:
	IBM sells a 3270 emulator for the RS/6000 (part #5765-011); it's based
on Motif.

	Century Software (801-268-3088) sells a VT220 terminal emulator for X.
VT102, Wyse 50 and SCO Color Console emulation are also available.

	Grafpoint's TGRAF-X provides emulation of Tektronix 4107, 4125, and
42xx graphics terminals; it's available for most major platforms. Information
(inc. free demo copies): 800-426-2230; Fax. 408-446-0666; uunet!grafpnt!sales.

	IXI's X.deskterm, a package for integrating character-based
applications into an X environment, includes a number of terminal-emulation
modules. Information: +44 (0223) 462131. [5/90]

	Pericom produces Teem-X, a set of several emulation packages for a
number of Tek, DEC, Westward, and Data General terminals. The software runs on
Sun 3, Sun 4, Apollo, DEC, ISC, IBM/AIX. Information: US: 609-895-0404,
UK: +44 (0908) 560022. [5/90]

	SCO's SCOterm (info@sco.COM), part of its Open Desktop environment, is
a Motif-compliant SCO ANSI color console emulator.

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Subject:  77)! Where can I get an X-based editor or word-processor?

	You can ftp a version of GNU Emacs, the extensible, customizable,
self-documenting, real-time display editor, including X11 support, from
prep.ai.mit.edu [18.71.0.38]:/pub/gnu/emacs-18.59.tar.Z or
informatik.tu-muenchen.de:/pub/GNU/emacs/emacs-18.59.tar.Z.

	Epoch is a modified version of Gnu Emacs (18) with additional
facilities useful in an X environment. Current sources are on cs.uiuc.edu
(128.174.252.1) in ~ftp/pub/epoch-files/epoch; the current [3/92] version is
4.0. [In Europe, try unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de].  There are two
subdirectories:  epoch contains the epoch source, and gwm contains the source
to the programmable window manager GWM, with which epoch works well.]
You can get on the Epoch mailing list by sending a request to
epoch-request@cs.uiuc.edu.

	Lucid Emacs is a version of GNU Emacs derived from an early version of
Emacs version 19.  It currently requires X Windows to run;  X support is
greatly enhanced over GNU Emacs version 18, including support for multiple X
windows, input and display of all ISO-8859-1 (Latin1) characters, Zmacs/Lispm
style region highlighting, a customizable Motif-like menubar, more powerful
keymap support, flexible text attributes, support on regional and screen-local
basis through X resources and/or lisp, and support for the X11 selection
mechanism. Lucid Emacs is free; the latest version (2/93) is 19.4, and is
available from labrea.stanford.edu in the pub/gnu/lucid/ directory.

	The Andrew system on the X11 contrib tapes has been described as one of
the best word-processing packages available. It supports word processing with
multi-media embedded objects: rasters, tables/spread sheets, drawings, style
editor, application builder, embedded programming language, &c. Release 5.1
became available 2 June 92.  [Fred Hansen (wjh+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)]
	You may be able to use the Remote Andrew Demo service to try this
software; try "finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu" for help.

	The InterViews C++ toolkit contains a WYSIWIG editor called Doc; it
saves and loads files in a LaTeX-*like* format (not quite LaTeX).  The package
can also import idraw-PostScript drawings.

	A simple editor aXe (by J.K.Wight@newcastle.ac.uk) is available on
export and arjuna.newcastle.ac.uk (128.240.150.1) as aXe-4.1.tar.Z [3/93]. It
is based around the Xaw Text widget.

	TED is a simple Motif-based text editor; it is a wrapper around the
Motif text widget which offers search/replace, paragraph formatting, and
navigation features. TED is available from ftp.eos.ncsu.edu (152.1.9.25) as
/pub/bill.tar.Z; here are also executables there.

	Point, by crowley@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Charlie Crowley), is Tcl/Tk-based
and offers dyanimic configuration and programming in the Tcl macro language.
The editor is available from unmvax.cs.unm.edu (129.24.16.1) as
pub/Point/point1.1-tar.Z.

	asedit, by Andrzej Stochniol (astoch@ic.ac.uk) is on export in
contrib/asedit.tar.Z. It is a simple text editor built around the Motif Text
widget. Version 1.11 was released 1/93.

Also:

	Elan Computer Group (Mountain View, CA; 415-964-2200) has announced the
Avalon Publisher 2.0, an X11/OPEN LOOK WYSIWYG electronic publishing system.

	FrameMaker and FrameWriter are available as X-based binary products for
several machines. Frame is at 800-843-7263 (CA: 408-433-3311).

	WX2 (formerly InDepthEdit) is available from Non Standard Logics
(+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr).

	Buzzwords International Inc. has an editor called 'Professional Edit'
that runs under X/Motif for various platforms.  Info: +1-314-334-6317.

	DECwrite is available from DEC for some DEC hardware and SunWrite is
available from Sun.

	IslandWrite will soon be available from Island Graphics (415-491-1000)
(info@island.com) for some HP & Apollo platforms.

	Interleaf is currently available from Interleaf (800-241-7700,
MA: 617-577-9800) on all Sun and DEC platforms; others are under development.

	The Aster*x office integration tools from Applix (1-800-8APPLIX,
MA: 508-870-0300) include a multi-font WYSIWG document composer; for several
systems.

	ArborText, Inc. provides an X11 version of its Electronic Publishing
program called "The Publisher". The Publisher is available on Sun, HP and
Apollo workstations. Contact Arbortext at 313-996-3566. [5/90]

	Iris Computing Laboratories offers the "ie" editor. Info:
+1-505-988-2670 or info@spectro.com.

	BBN/Slate from BBN Software Products includes a menu-driven word
processor with multiple fonts and style sheets.  It supports X on
multiple platforms. (617-873-5000 or slate-offer@bbn.com) [11/90]

	The powerful "sam" editor by Rob Pike is split into a host portion and
a front-end graphics portion, which now has an X implementation.  sam is now
available by anonymous ftp from research.att.com, in dist/sam/bundle.Z.  Watch
that space for updated versions.  There is a mailing list for sam users;
requests to <sam-fans-request@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu>. A set of extensions
which augment the mouse activity with the keyboard is available from
uxc.cso.uiuc.edu in pub/sam/samx1.0.shar.

	Innovative Solutions (505-883-4252; or Brian Zimbelman,
is!brian@bbx.basis.com) publishes the user-configurable Motif-based Xamine
editor.

	Qualix offers a product. Information: info@qualix.com or 800-245-UNIX
(415-572-0200).

	Typex is a Motif-based editor available for several systems.
Information: Amcad Research, 408-867-5705, fax -6209.

	WordPerfect offers an X-based version of WordPerfect 5.1 for several
workstations. Information: 801-222-5300 or 800-451-5151.

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Subject:  78)  Where can I get an X-based mailer?

	xmh, an X interface to mh, is distributed with the X11 release.

	Xmail is an X-based window interface to Berkeley-style mail handlers;
it is styled primarily after the Sunview mailtool application and builds on
most Unix systems. The current release [1/92] is 1.4, available in the MIT
X11R5 contrib tape and from export and uunet. Info: Jeff Markham,
markham@cadence.com.

	MMH (My Mail Handler), a motif interface to the MH mail handler, is
available from ftp.eos.ncsu.edu (152.1.9.25) in pub/bill.tar.Z; it is bundled
with the TED editor, which it uses for composing messages. Motif 1.1 is
required; if you don't have it, look for DEC and SPARC executables in the same
place.  Information and problems to: Erik Scott, escott@eos.ncsu.edu. [1/92]

	The Andrew Toolkit supports the Andrew Message System; it is available
from export and many other X archives and from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu
(128.2.30.62), or send email to susan+@andrew.cmu.edu. Release 5.1 became
available 2 June 92.
	You may be able to use the Remote Andrew Demo service to try this
software; try "finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu" for help.

	XMailTool is an Xaw-based interface to a BSD-style mail reader; version
2.0 was released 9/92. Information: Bob Kierski, bobo@cray.com or 612-683-5874.

	Cem is a Motif-based mailer using standard mailbox formats; it is on
nelson.tx.ncsu.edu in pub/Cem. Information: Sam Moore (Sam_Moore@ncsu.edu).

Also:

        Alfalfa Software offers Poste, a UNIX-based mailer that has Motif- and
command-based interfaces.  It includes support for multimedia enclosures, and
supports both the Internet and X.400 mail standards.  Information:
info@alfalfa.com, +1 617-497-2922.

	Z-Code Software offers Z-Mail for most Unix systems; binaries support
both tty and Motif interfaces. The mailer includes a csh-like scripting
language for customizing and extending mail capabilities.  Information:
info@z-code.com, +1 415 499-8649.

	Several vendors' systems include X-based mailers. DEC offers dxmail;
Sun offers an X-based mailtool; SCO (info@sco.com) includes SCOmail in its Open
Desktop product.

Several integrated office-productivity tools include mailers:

	The Aster*x office integration tools from Applix (1-800-8APPLIX,
MA: 508-870-0300) include a mailer.

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Subject:  79)! Where can I get an X-based paint/draw program?

	xpic is an object-oriented drawing program. It supports multiple font
styles and sizes and variable line widths; there are no rotations or zooms.
xpic is quite suitable as an interactive front-end to pic, though the
xpic-format produced can be converted into PostScript. (The latest version is
on the R4 contrib tape in clients/xpic.)

	xfig (by Brian V. Smith (bvsmith@lbl.gov)) is an object-oriented
drawing program supporting compound objects.  The xfig format can be converted
to PostScript or other formats. Recent versions are on the R5 contrib tape or
on export in /contrib/R5fixes (version 2.1.6 [11/92]).

        idraw supports numerous fonts and various line styles and arbitrary
rotations. It supports zoom and scroll and color draws and fills. The file
format is a PostScript dialect. It can import TIFF files. Distributed as a part
of the InterViews C++ toolkit (current release 3.1, from
interviews.stanford.edu) .

	A version of Robert Forsman's (thoth@lightning.cis.ufl.edu) xscribble,
an 8-bit paint program for X, is now on ftp.cis.ufl.edu in pub/thoth/. [2/93]

	xpaint is available from ftp.ee.lbl.gov as xpaint.tar.Z.
	A rewrite, Xpaint 2.0, by David Koblas (koblas@netcom.com) was released
2/93 as xpaint2pl3.tar.Z. xpaint is a bitmap/pixmap editing tool.

	A new OpenWindows PostScript-based graphical editor named 'ice' is now
[2/91] available for anonymous ftp from Internet host lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
(129.236.10.30).  ice (Image Composition Environment) is an imaging tool that
allows raster images to be combined with a wide variety of PostScript
annotations in WYSIWYG fashion via X11 imaging routines and NeWS PostScript
rasterizing. (It may require OpenWindows and Sun C++ 2.0.)

	tgif by William Cheng (william@oahu.cs.ucla.edu) is available from most
uucp sites and also from export and from cs.ucla.edu. It is frequently updated;
version 2.12-patch18 was released 3/93.

	The "pixmap" program (info: colas@sa.inria.fr) for creating pixmaps is
on the R5 contrib tape; it resembles the bitmap client. Version 2.1 is now
available. [11/92]

	Although MetaCard is not generally classified as a paint program, a
full 24-bit color image editor is built into the program, which can be used for
light image editing and for producing color icons (info@metacard.com). MetaCard
is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.metacard.com, csn.org, or
128.138.213.21.

	pixt by J. Michael Flanery produces XPM output.

Also:

	dxpaint is a bitmap-oriented drawing program most like MacPaint; it's
good for use by artists but commonly held to be bad for drawing figures or
drafting. dxpaint is part of DEC's Ultrix release.

	FrameMaker has some draw capabilities. [4/90]

	BBN/Slate from BBN Software Products includes a full-featured draw and
paint program with object grouping and multiple patterns; multiple X platforms.
(617-873-5000 or slate-offer@bbn.com). [11/90]

	Dux Ta-Dah!, 1-800-543-4999

	IslandGraphics offers IslandDraw, IslandPaint, IslandPresent.
Info: 415-491-1000.

	Corel Draw, 613-728-8200; ported to X by Prior Data Sciences
800-267-2626

	Arts&Letters Composer, 214-661-8960

	Ficor AutoGraph, 513-771-4466

	OpenWindows includes the olpixmap editor.
	SCO ODT includes the SCOpaint editor.
	HP VUE includes the vueicon editor.

Several integrated office-productivity tools include draw/paint capabilities:

	The Aster*x office integration tools from Applix (1-800-8APPLIX,
MA: 508-870-0300) include draw/paint capabilities.

[thanks in part to Stephen J. Byers (af997@cobcs1.cummins.com) and to
J. Daniel Smith (dsmith@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com)]

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		"Just the FAQs, ma'am." -- Joe Friday


Intel also makes some neat memory and peripheral chips:

Old technology (early 1980's)
8155  ram plus IO (slow ram as I recall)
8755  eprom plus IO (expensive and slow)

Intel does make Eproms with built in address latches.
I fear that you would need a very flexible and up-to-date eprom
programmer to write to them.

give them a call.  I am not able to locate their memory products book
yet.

Sigh...  Now, who borrowed it...


  Ah, so you finally found a use for that super slo-mo and frame advance
other than scrutinizing "Sorority Babes in Heat". Congrats!

  Trust me, you'd have a helluva time manipulating them. Besides, if you
converted the film to video you'd have all kinds of artifacts because of the
difference in frame rate (unless you're an expert at doing 3/2 pulldown for
a laserdisc company or something).

  Hey, no fair! What about 'Fettucine' Alfredo Griffin? The guy practically
has to pivot the bat around along with his body.

  Daulton doesn't strike me as all that strange. He's a little bit quiet at
the plate but, like Franco, gets the bat through the hitting zone on a level
plane. The first time I watched Julio Franco, I didn't think *anyone* could
hit like that. Now I marvel at how easy he makes it look; every time he makes
contact, it's *solid*. He's got good power to all fields and rarely is he
caught not ready for a pitch.

  I wonder if Phil Plantier had a severe bout with hemorrhoids and had to
practice his swing while 'on the throne'? :-) Sure looks like it :-)

  How 'bout one to add to your list: Travis Fryman? The guy plants his front
foot and seems to swing *across* his body. He generates a lot of power, but
I keep thinking he could generate even more if he could get a better pivot
out of his hips.

  Well, they're already spoken for (by several people), but ..

  I'd add Robbie Alomar's name to the list, among others. I really like Dean
Palmer's swing, for some twisted reason, as well as Pedro Munoz's swing.

  A thought about May: It looks like they've taught him to turn on the ball.
IMHO, he's going to fall in love with his newfound power and start pulling
off the ball to the point that he's going to see *lots* of sinkers/sliders
low and away. Unless he adjusts quickly and starts rifling doubles to left
and left-center, IMHO you're going to see a good number of weak grounders to
the right side of the infield in the next month.


}For those missing the context of this thrilling discussion between
}Jim and I, Jim wrote the following to me in e-mail after I pointed out

Hate to shatter your self image of perfection that  you appear to hold, but
your language is wrong: Jim and me.

}I pointed out that I did, in fact, agree that both Robert Weiss and
}Jim Meritt took quotes out of context.  Hence, I find it difficult to
}understand why Jim thinks I am a hypocrite.  Needless to say, I don't
}have time to reply to *every* article on t.r.m. that takes a quote
}out of context.

Of course not - just the ones you disagree with.  Q.E.D.

}>}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for
}>}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a
}>}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context?
}
}Jim replied by saying
}>Did I either ask or assert that?
}
}But today we find four articles from Jim, one of which has the subject

So?  As of then, and pointing out a specific instance.  Wrongo again.

}>Is it not the case that, in the eyes of the law, when someone is aware of
}>something and has the capability of taking action and does not, that individual
}>may be held responsible for that action?
}
}Which is, of course, a complete red herring.  Taking quotes out of
}context isn't a crime.  I don't have time to read every article on
}t.r.m., and I'm certainly under no obligation to reply to them all.

So?  Check the newsgroups?

}Does "silence is concurrence" imply that Jim thinks that because I
}didn't respond to Weiss' articles I must condone Weiss' taking quotes
}out of context?  Jim doesn't want to give a direct answer to this
}question; read what he has written and decide for yourself.

Telepathy again?  You claim to know what I "want".

}But back to the context of my conversation with Jim.  Jim's next
}gambit was to claim that he was using inductive logic when he
}concluded that I was being a hypocrite.  I challenged him to provide
}the details of that logic that led him to an incorrect conclusion.

No.  YOu asked specifically what was wrong with yours.

}Today we find another obscure article (posting it twice didn't help

Maybe to the ignorant.  I accept your classification.

}More red herrings.  Could Jim mean that he has read an uncountably large
}number of my articles?

Do you know what "uncountably large" means?  It does not appear so.

}Could Jim mean that because I "axed" his articles,
}but not Weiss' articles, he wants to conclude inductively ...
}Well, I can't see where he is going with this.

I am not suprised.

}But I can help him with his induction.  I've written roughly 80

That does not appear to be the case.  The appearance of your "Argument"
is more like that Captain Kirk would have gotten from Mr. Spock - written
by a stagehand at Paramount.

}Think hard about this Jim.  See the pattern?  Think harder.  Run it
}through your induction engine and see what pops out.


B
)>>>>>>>>> Votre host est mal configure... <<<<<<<<<<<<

)Bonjour Sylvain,
)	J'ai travaille avec le hc11 il y a 3 ans et je ne me souviens pas de toutes les possibilites mais je vais quand meme essayer de t'aider.

)	Je ne crois pas que downloader une programme directement dans le eeprom soit une bonne idee (le eeprom a une duree de vie limitee a 10 000 cycles il me semble). Le communication break down vient peut-etre du fait que le eeprom est long a programmer (1ms par 8 bytes mais c'est a verifier) et que les delais de transfer de programme s19 vers la memoire sont excedes. Normalement, les transferts en RAM du code s19 est plus rapide car le RAM est plus rapide que le eeprom en ecriture.

)	C'est tout ce que ma memoire me permet de me souvenir!

)Bonne chance,

Oh yeah easy for him to say!...


I'm afraid he isn't.  They are a hypocritical lot.


would there be any problems with hooking up a Toshiba 3401 external CD-ROM
drive to a 700?

Ron


`My Western Digital also has three sets of pins on the back. I am using it with
`another hard drive as well and the settings for the jumpers were written right
`on the circuit board of the WD drive......MA SL ??

Well, I figured out how the jumpers go.  Now I have quite a different
problem that has me perplexed like you wouldn't know.  I have both drives
working, the C: system formatted and all of my hardware installed.  Only
problem is, that during the boot up sequence, the computer does not want
to pass up looking for a system on the A: drive.

Reinitialization all goes fine and the BIOS seems to be configured to
what is necessary.  All the drive tests work, but when the thing comes
back around to the a: drive and there is no disk present, it just spins.
If you insert a disk into drive a with a system however, it works fine
and boots up (ie how installed all my software)

Any additional help on this will be most welcome....

swood


k

Guys, guys, (and gals), let's lay off Jason here.  Though he stepped
in it, he has been very good so far about admitting he doesn't know
what he's talking about, and even more stunning is that he seems


Even though I find this to be funny on the surface, the original poster of the
joke has  tried and convicted the members of the BD to be a bunch of "nuts".
This may be a dangerous thing to do.  It is my opinion that most educated
or well informed people of this country have some distrust of the government.
This should exist because as a bureaucracy, any government given enough time
will tend to exist for it self and not for the original purpose it was
created for.  This distrust by the people should keep those in power in-line.
That and a properly functioning press.  When a sensationalism oriented press
portrays a group of people as "nuts" or crazies, a violation of those
people's civil rights seem justified.   Since we, as American's, have the
gurantee of rights as enumerated in the constitution, to include the
2nd ammendment, the government must appease the public's opinion or risk
voted out of existance, or if it has become corrupt enough to tamper with
domocratic process itself, being thrown out by force.
  Our government as it stands, must appease the public.  Therefore the
official press releases portray the BD's as fanatics who are a threat to
public safety.  We must not prejudge people based on one sided information.
So far the only information that we are being given is comming from the very
agency that was embarrased by the BD(Branch Davidians sp?).  It is to their
advantage to make the BD's as fanatical and dangerous as possible.  If they
were portrayed as law-abiding citizen's, then they(ATF) had no justification
what so ever of doing what they did.
   So let's keep an open mind.  Jokes like above, even though it may be funny,
may mislead the public from the truth of the matter.

Just as an aside,  my understanding of U.S. vs Rock Island and U.S. vs Dalton
leads me to believe that the National Firearms Act, which allows the Fed's
(in this case ATF) to regulate firearms(machine guns), has been deemed to be
unconstitutional since 1986.(By two federal district courts at least).
And since, I believe the only reason ATF was involved
in this case is because of firearms violations, it would be interesting to
find out whether or not the search warrent was based on the NFA.
It would be very embarrassing indeed if a search warrent based on a possibly
unconstitutional law has resulted in 4 deaths(Law enforcement).

****************************************************************************
The above opinions are mine and mine only.
I'm solely responsible for my opinions and my actions.  If you must flame
then flame away, but a well constructed argument will be much more respected.


Other alternatives include output of vmstat, iostat, pstat and friends
with various flags, or even better crash.

e.g. on an RS/6000 (AIX 3.2) you can get lots of relatively
unpredicatble data out of crash. (the output from the following script
usually gives about 600k of goo on a moderately busy system.)

#!/bin/sh
crash <<!
proc -
tty
stack
pcb
callout
vfs -
socket
vnode
inode -
mbuf
file
mst
buffer
le
!


Hate to wreck your elaborate theory, but Steve Dyer is not an MD.
So professional jealosy over doctors who help their patients with
Nystatin, etc., can't very well come into the picture.  Steve
doesn't have any patients.

Yes, everyone who is normal does that.  We use candida on the other arm
when we put a tuberculin test on.  If people don't react to candida,
we assume the TB test was not conclusive since such people may not
react to anything.  All normal people have antibodies to candida.
If not, you would quickly turn into a fungus ball.

You've just discovered one of the requirements for a good quack theory.
Find something that no one can *disprove* and then write a book saying
it is the cause of whatever.  Since no one can disprove it, you can
rake in the bucks for quite some time.

That is odd, isn't it?  Why do you suppose it is that MDs with these
common problems don't go for these crazy ideas?  Does the "professional
jealosy" extend to suffering in silence, even though they know they
could be cured if they just followed this quack book?

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Well, the temp file thing creates an obvious problem: it is impossible to use
cview for viewing CD-ROM based picture collections. And it is the ONLY non-
windows viewer that works properly with my Cirrus-based 24 bit VGA.


Sorry to clog up the news group with this message.

Wayne Rigby, I have the info you requested, but for some
reason I can not mail it to you.  Please contact me!
Send email address.
j
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"You are not drunk until you have to grab the grass,
 to keep the grass from falling off the earth" - Some Stupid Comedian


Does anybody have an opinion on the Philips 1762DT 17" monitor?  How does it
compare to the Nanao 17"?  I am looking for a good 17" (like many other
net'ers) and found a good price for the Philips.  Here some the specs:

	Sony Trinitron tube
	digital micro control
	1280x1024 NI
	.25 dp
	300x225 mm display area
	to 100 Hz refresh
	anti-glare, MPR-II...
	auto-scan 30-64 kHz

Why don't I ever see this monitor for sale (ONE company in Apr computer shopper)
What is the 1764DC?  What is the best price around for this?....

and how 'bout that MAG 17"?  I love my MAG 15" (except for that little color
alignment thing on the l/r edges)...


Hey, I'm a "Macho Real Man" and I DO read it.  So I can criticize
it all I want, especially since I pay for the publication. (They
accept no outside advertising, don't you know....)

Relying on Consumer Reports to pick your automobiles is like
letting Field & Stream select your living room furniture.


I HATE long postings, but this turned out to be rather lengthy....

Overall Crime rate:
It fell....just like that...

Acquiring weapons in Norway:
You can buy (almost) all kinds of weapons in Norway, BUT you must have a
permit, and a good reason to get the permit....
If I would like to have a handgun, i would have to get an gun-licence from
the police and to be a member of a gun-club.
The police would check my criminal records for any SERIOUS crimes and/or
records of SERIOUS mental diseases.
Now, if a got my licence, I would have to be an active member of the gun
-club for 6 months BEFORE I could collect my gun.
It's a little like getting a drivers licence isn't it ???
You have to prove that you CAN drive before you are allowed to...

Use of guns in crimes (in Norway):
Some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners 'arms'
for a long time, but these are rather the exeption.
Most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes, and mostly short
time befor the crime.

Use of knives:
It IS allowed to cary knifes in public, but not in your belt or 'open'.
You (Americans) think it's ok to have a gun, but not to carry it open
in public -rigth ??

Scandinavians ARE 'aggressive':
We northeners are not as hot-livered as southeners, but when we decide
to take action we DO.
Ask ANY historian or millitary with an knowledge of europe....
(Or ask any German who served in Norway in WW2.....)

Individual vs masses:
Yes the individual is more important than the masses, but only to some
extent....
Your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses ??
What happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of
all the others ??

The issue:
I believe the issue is GUNS, and gun-legislation.
We shouldn't mix weapons and items that can serve as one....
IF i lived in Amerika I would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in HOME.
But should it have to be like that ??
Do you think it's wise to sell guns like candy (some states do...) ??
If you believe it's smart/neccacery to have drivers-licence WHY do you think
it should be free to buy guns ??

Disclaim-her:
I'm not a pacifist or anti gun.
I would defend my home, loved ones and country, but I don't view guns as
neccities or toys.
I HAVE done army service, and HAVE used a variaty of weapons, but wouldn't
want to have one for self defence or because they 'feel good'....

	This is not a .signature.
	It's marly a computergenerated text to waste bandwith
	and to bring down the evil Internet.


FYI:  The actual horizontal dot placement resoution of an HP
deskjet is 1/600th inch.  The electronics and dynamics of the ink
cartridge, however, limit you to generating dots at 300 per inch.
On almost any paper, the ink wicks more than 1/300th inch anyway.

The method of depositing and fusing toner of a laster printer
results in much less spread than ink drop technology.

It doesn't take much investigation to see that the mechanical and
electronic complement of a laser printer is more complex than
inexpensive ink jet printers.  Recall also that laser printers
offer a much higher throughput:  10 ppm for a laser versus about 1
ppm for an ink jet printer.

Something else to think about is the cost of consumables over the
life of the printer.  A 3000 page yield toner cartridge is about
$US 75-80 at discount while HP high capacity (~500-1000 page yield)
cartridges are about $US 22 at discount.  It could be that over the
life cycle of the printer that consumables for laser printers are
less than ink jet printers.  It is getting progressively closer
between the two technologies.  Laser printers are usually desinged
for higher duty cycles in pages per month and longer product
replacement cycles.


I've found this works pretty well on noisy laminated power
transformer cores and windings (the 60Hz kind). Likewise, if
anybody has tried this on a flyback I'd like to hear about it.

I would suspect it would not be as effective as it was on power
transformers as the material wouldn't damp as well--something
I suspect would be critical at the frequencies involved (in other
words, you want absorption rather than prevention which would be
real difficult at 15 KHz).

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I get it.  One organization wants to abolish age of consent laws,
whereas in contrast the other wants to abolish age of consent laws.
This makes it respectable to belong to one organization, but not the
other.


Hi,

Can anyone tell me the difference between ~30-pin and 72-pin Simms?
I wish to get detailed information about the origin of these two
different types of Simms, preferably a magazine review aricle.

By the way, if there is a FAQ for this group which covers the Simms
information, please also direct me to it.

Any help/information would be very much appreciated.

Sincerely,


I am interested in any information on stereoscopic imaging on a sun
workstation.  For the most part, I need to know if there is any hardware
available to interface the system and whether the refresh rates are
sufficient to produce quality image representations.  Any information
about the subject would be greatly appreciated.


Why all the quote marks, Roy?  I can see that they might be appropriate where
there is a legitimate concern that the words are being distorted by context,
or that they have been appropriated Newspeak-style, but, reading your comments above,
one might be excused if they assumed that you were claiming that "child abuse",
"forced" sexual activity, and "damage" caused by this is non-existant or
greatly overblown.

"Positive experiences", indeed!

-Paul Elliott
(Member in good standing of the Optilink Mafia)


Of course it is!

And this is your opinion.  It is not any more valid due to repeated
capital letters and words such as 'untrue' 'never' etc.

So Armenians are justified in aggression since supposedly Turks have
been aggressive in the past?  I don't follow your logic.

I have said that I don't wish to get into Cyprus discussion and did not
give any reasons for Turkey's involvement.  I also am not trying to
convince you of anything, seeing no reason to waste any time....

I am serious.  Let's get soc.culture.armenia started and have some peace
of mind?


INteresting question about Galileo.

Galileo's HGA  is stuck.

The HGA was left closed,  because galileo  had a venus flyby.

If the HGA were pointed att he sun,  near venus,  it would
cook the foci elements.

question:  WHy couldn't Galileo's  course manuevers have been
designed such that the HGA  did not ever do a sun point.?

After all,  it would normally be aimed at earth anyway?

or would it be that an emergency situation i.e. spacecraft safing
and seek might have caused an HGA sun point?


I have also been trying to complete my collection.  I have an extra CCI # 16
(Communications) and a # 12 (Applications in the Arts), both in mint
condition.

I would like to trade for (or buy) the following: # 1, 3, 22, 23, 25, 26, 30,
and 31.

Thanks      -David


This was (my opinion) the stupidest thing in the Hidden Game. The
argument was

1) Defense, or runs allowed, is 50% of the game.
2) Unearned runs amount to 12% of the runs allowed; earned runs, 88%.

3) Since unearned runs are the result of fielding, not pitching, and
earned runs are the product of pitching, not fielding, fielding is 12%
of defense and pitching is 88% of defense.
4) Caombining with #1, pitching is 44% of the game, fielding 6%.

Pete is usually sharper than that. My own feel is that fielding is in
the 25-33% of defense range; call it 30-70 between fielding and
pitching.

I'd give baserunning a little more credit than that, maybe 45-5, or
even 40-10. Give a team of Roberto Alomar and a team of John Oleruds
identical batting stats (which wouldn't be that unreasonable), and
even if you don't let Roberto steal a single base, they'll score a lot
more than the Oleruds by going first-to-third more often. (No offense,
Gordon).


But,
 THEY FACED THE PHILLIES -- A TEAM THAT GOT OFF TO AN 8-1 START.

  To be honest, I think the city of Houston loves the new owner.  He has
brought baseball back to Houston with key acquisitions -- players that
were from the Houston area and wanted to play for the Astros.  I don't
think that too many people are fearful that McLane will meddle in the team
as he has already admitted that he doesn't know a whole lot about baseball.
McLane is a businessman, and doesn't like excuses.  He makes a valid point
that injuries shouldn't be an excuse to this club.  Look at the depth of the
bench this season.. Canadele can play 7 positions; Bass and James are solid
outfielders and can hit well too; Uribe is nice to have as well..  The
pitching staff has 6 legitimate starters.  We're dealing with a young
Houston team, so injuries shouldn't play a big role.  The only threat is
the bullpen -- if Jonesy goes out, we may be in trouble but with the
type of starters we have this season, there is less pressure on the pen.


According to WNCI 97.9 FM radio this morning, Dayton, Ohio is operating a
gun "buy back".  They are giving $50 for every functional gun turned in.
They ran out of money in one day, and are now passing out $50 vouchers of
some sort.  They are looking for more funds to keep operating.  Another
media-event brought to you by HCI.

Is there something similar pro-gun people can do ?  For example, pay $100
to anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm ?  Sounds a bit
tacky, but hey, whatever works.


 >
 >: Thus, a deciBell (deci-, l., tenth of + Bell) is a fractional part of the
 >: original Bell.  For example, SouthWestern Bell is a deciBell.
 >
 >Out of what hat did you pull this one?  dB is a ratio not an RBOC!
 >
 >: And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company
 >: and the Amphenol company.  Both companies revolutionized electronics by
 >: simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets
 >: were affected by the amount of current running through the wires.
 >
 >Sorry.  The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man
 >named AMPERE who studied electrical current.  The term AMP is just an abbreviation
 >of it.  The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use.
 >
 >: The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers,
 >: thus our use of the Ohms...
 >
 >I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right.
 >
 >:
 >: Alexander Graham Bell, actually, is where Bell came from...
 >Well you got one thing right!
 >:

Actually, I think J. Chiu knows the score and is just being
silly. However, "decibel" is in fact 1/10th of a bel. He is
right on that one, but I don't know if it was accidental or not.

Strictly defined, a bel is the ratio of the log of two power levels,
and a decibel is 1/10th of a bel so you have 10X decibels for every bel,
hence bel=log(P2/P1) and decibel=10Xlog(P2/P1).

The bel, ohm, volt, farad, ampere, watt, hertz, henry, etc. are
all named for pioneers in the field. It's a traditional and fine
way to honor researchers who discover new knowledge in a new field.
Hertz was one of the most important of the early electronics explorers,
but had been left out in having a term or unit named after him
until recently, (1960's, prior to that what is now a hertz was a cps.)
All the other units were defined many decades earlier.

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Hey, c'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even
tried to get my FAQ's straight.  Don't holler BOHICA at me!

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I just moved from Borland C++ 3.0 to Visual C++ today. When I tried
to compile my C++ program, it complained a function prototype problem.
It turned out that the typedef WORD in MS C++ is a BYTE, not unsigned int.

    Could anyone shine some light on this subject ? Why a WORD is a BYTE ?

-Ming T. Lin


Re: Flaming wreckage

I wrote my congressmen strongly worded letters demanding they dissolve the
BATF.

Perhaps anger and grief can help spur a letter writing campaign?