I have an idea as to why the encryption algorithm needs to be keep secret,
and some things that i think it implies. (Of course these could all be
wrong.....)

from

                     THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY
                               Dorothy Denning
                           Revised, April 21, 1993

.
.
.

The Clipper Chip contains a classified single-key 64-bit block
encryption algorithm called "Skipjack."  The algorithm uses 80 bit keys
(compared with 56 for the DES) and has 32 rounds of scrambling
(compared with 16 for the DES).  It supports all 4 DES modes of
operation.  The algorithm takes 32 clock ticks, and in Electronic
Codebook (ECB) mode runs at 12 Mbits per second.

Each chip includes the following components:

   the Skipjack encryption algorithm
   F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips
   N, a 30-bit serial number (this length is subject to change)
   U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip

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.
.

ENCRYPTING WITH THE CHIP

To see how the chip is used, imagine that it is embedded in the AT&T
telephone security device (as it will be).  Suppose I call someone and
we both have such a device.  After pushing a button to start a secure
conversation, my security device will negotiate an 80-bit session key K
with the device at the other end.  This key negotiation takes place
without the Clipper Chip.  In general, any method of key exchange can
be used such as the Diffie-Hellman public-key distribution method.

Once the session key K is established, the Clipper Chip is used to
encrypt the conversation or message stream M (digitized voice).  The
telephone security device feeds K and M into the chip to produce two
values:

   E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and
   E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement field ,

which are transmitted over the telephone line.  The law enforcement
field thus contains the session key K encrypted under the unit key U
concatenated with the serial number N, all encrypted under the family
key F.  The law enforcement field is decrypted by law enforcement after
an authorized wiretap has been installed.

------------------

suppose i knew how the algorithm worked and knew the N for my chip, but
did not know F, then by cryptanalysis i might be able to determine F from
if law enforcement field
   E[E[K; U] + N; F]
not knowing N would might make this much harder.

Now suppose that I know F, (either legitimately or not),
If I know K (either because I am involved in the conversation, or I know U
for a party in the conversation), I may now be able to determine U for the
other party.

If I know F I can also defeat the law enforcement field, since I could
make my own, with a different K then the one I am using. Knowing F also
allows traffic analysis to be performed. So I might not know what you are
saying but I could know who you are saying it too.

Now I admit that someone trying to compute U will not have lots of
messages to work from, but since we have no way of knowing that the key
generation method does not (deliberately?) generate weak keys, or for that
matter that the published method is in fact used, perhaps the U's will be
chosen from know weak keys for the system.

Obviously the compromise of F would be a disaster, both to law enforcement
for whom this whole thing is designed, and for the people who believe that
it is giving them security. F is but one number, and I sure that alot of
people (more then 1) know what it is (and if some "panel of experts" is
going to check it over for flaws then many more will know F, forget
grinding chips, bribery and blackmail work just fine.

So, am I wrong? Or are these problems.


Because most of the children were with their parent(s). Do you understand
that concept? Here's a bunch of people who believe in their minds that
the forces of Satanic evil are outside and you expect them to hand over
their own children? Were you born that stupid or does it take a lot
of effort?


I like the Mariners a lot, but my heart belongs to the Cubs...You can imagine
my frustration when I saw the Cubs nabbing LeFebvre...ARHGGHRGHH!

-John Neuharth


I see that our retarded translator, David, is still writing things that
don't make sense. Hey David I can see where you are.. May be one day,
We will have the chance to talk deeply about that freedom of speach of
yours.. And you now, killing or torture, these things are only easy
ways out.. I have different plans for you and all empty headeds like
you...

Lets get serious, DAVE, don't ever write bad things about Turkish people
or especially Cyprus.. If I hear a word from you again that I consider
to be a curse to my people I will retalliate...

Muccccukkk..
TIMUCIN.


What does this <censored> from NORWAY think he's doing telling us
how to run the place?  I wanna know... somebody please 'splain.

Guess how NORWAY survived the Third Reich?  Give you a hint,
it wasn't by passive resistance the way the Danes did it....


In the past I've managed to buy used neon sign transformers from sign shops
for about $20. Try calling around.


I saw a Lifetime Medical Television show a few months back on travel
medicine.  It briefly mentioned some drugs which when started two or
three days before getting to altitude could assist in acclimitazation.

Unfortunately all that I can recall is that the drug stimulated
breathing at night???  I don't know if that makes sense, it seems
to me that the new drug which stimulates red blood cell production
would be a more logical approach, erythropoiten (sp?).

Alas, I didn't record the program, but wish I had, since I live
at over 7000ft. and my mother gets sick when visiting.

Please let me know if you get more informative responses.


  Up to this point, I was kinda hoping that this was a joke. Still,
it would make a great premise for a bad syndicated TV show- "These
are the adventures of the Oriental Templars... dedicated to truth,
justice, and good karma! (Dramatic music in the background.)"
  No doubt I've just horribly offended someone.


Hi there,

is there anybody who know a polygon_reduction algorithm for
marching cube surfaces. e.g. the algirithm of Schroeder,
Siggraph'92.

For any hints, hugs and kisses.

- Erwin


ATTN: Those who live inthe Philadelphia Metro area...

Back in September I was listening to WIP, and I remember the morning
guys were talking with Mayor Ed Rendell.  The topic of conversation
was a new ball park for the Phillies.  The location for this new park
was suggested to be near 30th St Station.  At the time, the mayor was
optimisitic that in the future this could become a reality.  Has
there been any new news on this subject or is it still a pipe dream?
I know the city of Philadelphia has other projects ahead, such as the
new convention center and the upcoming Spectrum II.  But it would be
nice to see this a reality.  It is planned that the Phillies leave
the VET and leave it solely to the Eagles (and if that's the case,
the Eagles should make the VET a grass stadium, but that's another
story).  I want to see that day!


SAMPE, NCGA, The University of Akron, and NASA Lewis Research Center
is sponsoring:

                      COMPUTERS AND COMPOSITES

	A one-day seminar devoted to practical applications of
	computer workstations for efficient processing, design, and
			Manufacture of composites

May 18, 1993
at
 The University of Akron
  Akron, Ohio

Speakers on:
 Advancement in Graphics Visualization   Dr. Jay Horowitz, NASA
 Integrated Product Development with     Mr. Michael R. Cowen
  Network Workstations		          Sikorski Aircraft
 Structural Analysis			 Mr. Brian Fite, NASA
 Stereolithography			 Mr. Jason Williams, Penn State-Erie
 Molecular and Physical Modeling	 Dr. Vassilios Galiatsato,
  of Polymer Curing                       University of Akron
 Process Modeling of Polymer
  Matrix Composites			 Dr Ram Upadhyay, GE Corporate R&D

Registration Fees: $75.00 Advance, $100.00 on site (Includes box lunch)

Contact Gary Roberts, NASA Lewis Research Center (216) 433-344
or write:
	SAMPE Regional Seminar
	c/o Gary Roberts
	NASA Lewis Research Center
	21000 Brookpark Rd MS 49-1
	Cleveland, Ohio 44135

Or Email to me, | and I'll get it to Gary.
		|
	        \/


The Dodgers after one inning of play have committed one error.  At this rate
they'll have 1,455 errors this season!

Well maybe I'm right this time...

--
Warren Usui


Has anybody compiled VOGL-graphics library
for IBM-PC? I need to call it from MS-Fortran
but don't have MS-C to compile the sources.

Thanks for any help...


------- Blind-Carbon-Copy

To: spacenews@austen.rand.org, cti@austen.rand.org
Subject: White House outlines options for station, Russian cooperation
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 93 16:00:21 PDT
From: Richard Buenneke <buenneke@austen.rand.org>

4/06/93:  GIBBONS OUTLINES SPACE STATION REDESIGN GUIDANCE

NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C.
April 6, 1993

RELEASE:  93-64

        Dr.  John H.  Gibbons, Director, Office of Science and Technology
Policy, outlined to the members-designate of the Advisory Committee on the
Redesign of the Space Station on April 3, three budget options as guidance
to the committee in their deliberations on the redesign of the space
station.

        A low option of $5 billion, a mid-range option of $7 billion and a
high option of $9 billion will be considered by the committee.  Each
option would cover the total expenditures for space station from fiscal
year 1994 through 1998 and would include funds for development,
operations, utilization, Shuttle integration, facilities, research
operations support, transition cost and also must include adequate program
reserves to insure program implementation within the available funds.

        Over the next 5 years, $4 billion is reserved within the NASA
budget for the President's new technology investment.  As a result,
station options above $7 billion must be accompanied by offsetting
reductions in the rest of the NASA budget.  For example, a space station
option of $9 billion would require $2 billion in offsets from the NASA
budget over the next 5 years.

        Gibbons presented the information at an organizational session of
the advisory committee.  Generally, the members-designate focused upon
administrative topics and used the session to get acquainted.  They also
received a legal and ethics briefing and an orientation on the process the
Station Redesign Team is following to develop options for the advisory
committee to consider.

        Gibbons also announced that the United States and its
international partners -- the Europeans, Japanese and Canadians -- have
decided, after consultation, to give "full consideration" to use of
Russian assets in the course of the space station redesign process.

        To that end, the Russians will be asked to participate in the
redesign effort on an as-needed consulting basis, so that the redesign
team can make use of their expertise in assessing the capabilities of MIR
and the possible use of MIR and other Russian capabilities and systems.
The U.S. and international partners hope to benefit from the expertise of
the Russian participants in assessing Russian systems and technology.  The
overall goal of the redesign effort is to develop options for reducing
station costs while preserving key research and exploration capabilitiaes.
Careful integration of Russian assets could be a key factor in achieving
that goal.

        Gibbons reiterated that, "President Clinton is committed to the
redesigned space station and to making every effort to preserve the
science, the technology and the jobs that the space station program
represents.  However, he also is committed to a space station that is well
managed and one that does not consume the national resources which should
be used to invest in the future of this industry and this nation."

        NASA Administrator Daniel S.  Goldin said the Russian
participation will be accomplished through the East-West Space Science
Center at the University of Maryland under the leadership of Roald
Sagdeev.


Peter,  there's a radiosity package ahead. The only problem is: there
are a few miles to sail ... ;-^

Let's be serious... I'm working on a radiosity package, written in C++.
I would like to make it public domain.  I'll announce it in c.g. the minute
I finished it.

That were the good news. The bad news: It'll take another 2 months (at least)
to finish it.

In the meantime you may have a look at the file
  Radiosity_code.tar.Z
located at
  compute1.cc.ncsu.edu

(there are some other locations; have a look at archie to get the nearest)

Hope that'll help.

Yours

Stephan

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 Stephan Amann     SIG Computer Graphics, University of Berne, Switzerland
           amann@iam.unibe.ch
	   Tel +41 31 65 46 79	   Fax +41 31 65 39 65

 Projects: Radiosity, Raytracing, Computer Graphics


Dear friends,

I am a graduate student in Education at the University of Tennessee. As part of
the requirements for a research class in music education I designed a
questionnaire to colect data for my research project. The study intends to
determine which techniques (if any) have been used to teach music for the deaf.

If you have any experience in music education for the deaf and would like to
help me with this project, your help would be very much appreciated.

If you also want to exchange some ideas about the subject matter, feel yourself
welcome. I have been working in this area for a while (in Brazil _ by the way,
I am Brazilian _ and also in US) and I am very pleased with the results.

I hope that this inquiry will not cause too many inconveniences. Thank you for
or time and consideration.

                         __QUESTIONNAIRE__
                  Teaching Music for deaf children.

NAME ________________________________
ADDRESS/ E-MAIL _____________________
EMPLOYING INSTITUTION _______________
YEARS OF EXPERIENCE_________ GRADE LEVEL(S)____
EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND:BACHELOR__ MASTERS__ DOCTORATE__
PROFESSIONAL FIELD:SPECIAL EDUC.__  MUSIC EDUC.__ OTHER*__
*If you checked "other", please indicate your major: ____

	Some school systems require music to be taught to deaf children, other
school systems have not thought of the possibility to teach music for children
with hearing limitations. The following questionnaire was designed to find out
how teachers face the issue of teaching or not teaching music for the deaf.
Also, a part of this study is to determine teachers attitudes towards music
programs for deaf children.

	DIRECTIONS:
	READ THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS AND CIRCLE THE NUMBER THAT BEST DESCRIBES
YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS MUSIC FOR DEAF CHILDREN (LEFT COLUMN), AND CIRCLE THE
APPROPRIATE "YES", "NO" OR "NOT APPLICABLE", WHETHER YOU DO THE TASK (RIGHT
COLUMN).

SD= Strongly disagree			Y= yes
DIS= Disagree				N= no
NEU= Neutral				N/A= not applicable
AG= Agree
SA= Strongly agree

SD  DIS  NEU  AG  SA		COMPETENCIES			Y  N  N/A
___________________________________________________________________________
1   2    3    4   5	1.Deaf children can be educated in      y  n  n/a
 			music.
1   2    3    4   5	2.Deaf children should have regular     y  n  n/a
			music classes.
1   2    3    4   5	3.A special music teacher must posses   y  n  n/a
			an appropriate training in a variety
			of communication methods to use with
			deaf children.
1   2    3    4   5	4.In preparing the lessons the teacher  y  n  n/a
			must keep in mind that deaf children
			may present special needs in order to
			participate in musical activities.
1   2   3     4   5	5.Deaf and normal hearing children   	y  n  n/a
			should have music classes together.
1   2   3     4   5	6. 80% of a succesful music experience  y  n  n/a
			by a deaf child depends upon the
			teacher's creativity and commitment
			with the subject matter.
1   2   3     4   5	7.Deaf children can learn to appreciate y  n  n/a
			music but they will never be a musician
			or a performer.
1   2   3     4   5	8.Deaf children are not able to		y  n  n/a
			discriminate and recognize sounds.
1   2   3     4   5	9.Deaf children can not distinguish	y  n  n/a
			among loud and soft sounds.
1   2   3     4   5	10.Deaf children can never match the    y  n  n/a
			music in their head to a note on a
			musical instrument.
1   2   3     4   5	11.The most appropriate material to	y  n  n/a
			start music classes for the deaf
			would be the folk songs said he would be replaced by the military commandant of
Baku, police Major-General Abdullah Allakhverdiyev. There was no official
confirmation.


no kidding...just ask the White Sox...

too bad, really...

-John Neuharth


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Anyone seen any press releases or heard any rumors of a cache card
for the LCIII, now that it has the full data bus width on the PDS slot?


] >     I think the dialogue would go better if (at least some) gays
] >showed awareness of a practical issue.  For example. men and women use
] >different toilets.  Hence men who are likely to abuse girls have that
] >avenue closed to them.  There are many other situations where it is easy
] >to prevent sexual abuse BETWEEN the two sexes through such measures and
] >social conventions.  It is harder to prevent it with gays but if those
] >gays who do not abuse children (nor want to) became aware that this is
] >a practical problem that we can solve with good will on both sides, then
] >we can have protection for parents and children at the same time as
] >protection for gays in those ways that are of importance to their
] >pursuit of happiness in their own way.
] >
] >Just a thought
] >
] >Rohit Parikh
] -------------------
] Sorry, Rohit, but you are responding to someone well-recognized as a
] flaming nut, i.e., Clayton Cramer. He must have been abused by a man and is
] living his life in an attempt to vilify all men who like sex with other men
] something slightly similar to the way his assailant liked it with him. He
] will alter or misrepresent anything he finds to try to prove that there are
] homosexuals who wish to rape little boys like he was coming out of the
] woodwork. There is no hope for him. In all probability he is secretly gay,
] which compounds his neurosis in his own mind, by thinking that someone else
] made him that way. I don't personally see how someone like him could walk
] and chew gum at the same time, as mentally crippled and dominated as he is
] by his fantasies.
]
] He would have you believe that the figures on the percentage of people who
] like to do it with the same sex sometime or all the time is way smaller
] than it is, but then he will virtually assert that everyone's queer and
] they're trying to get him. He actually believes, despite all evidence that
] homosexuals do some huge disproportionate amount of child sexual abuse,
] even though he insists that there may be as few as 1% of them in the male
] population! If there were that few of them in the population, San Francisco
] would currently be empty, because a significant portion of them have sought
] a tolerant atmosphere in that city, and the numbers simply do not work when
] you add up their home town origins. There is nothing to be gained by
] communicating with Clayton Cramer, he is unable to listen to anyone.
] -RSW
]
]
] --
] * Richard STEVEn Walz   rstevew@deeptht.armory.com   (408) 429-1200  *
] * 515 Maple Street #1   * Without safe and free abortion women are   *
] * Santa Cruz, CA 95060    organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.*   *
] * Real Men would never accept organ-slavery and will protect Women.  *

Sorry, but I don't see how the response applies to what was posted.

Unless I am badly mistaken, Rohit is suggesting that protecting boys
from men is different than protecting girls from men. There are situations
in which boys and girls are apart from members of the *opposite* sex
(due to social convention or whatever) and thus are safe (in at least
some sense). These same situations don't (necessarily) protect the
children from abuse by members of the *same* sex.

If we can understand that, it's not such a tremendous leap to suggest
that if we all think about it hard, *someone* may come up with a
practical solution (or even a partial solution) to some of the situations
in which children are made vulnerable to homosexuals who wish to abuse
them. By working together "with good will on both sides", we may be
able to start solving problems without restricting anyone's freedoms.

Mr. Walz on the other hand is using Rohit's post as an excuse for
personal attacks on Mr. Cramer. While Mr. Walz hasn't (by a *long*
stretch) been the only one to flame Mr. Cramer, it is no less childish
and it only serves to weaken any other arguments he may make in the
future.


Does anyone out there have any JPEG decompression code in pretty much any
language that I can read and understand?  I have trouble understanding the
JPEG Group's code that I got from an FTP site.  If any one can send me
some good code, I will appreciate it a lot!  Thanks!


I have a 486sx/20, 5 megs RAM, 85 meg harddrive (Stacked to 160 w/Stacker
3.0), 3.5 floppy, 3 expansion slots, 2 drive bays, VGA card, no monitor.
$650.00 or interesting combination of cash and trade.  Located in Chicago.
Please e-mail to this address (tmccn@merle.acns.nwu.edu) or call Allister
at (312)743-5603.  Thanks.


Cloak yourself in God's sustaining and abiding love. Pray, pray, pray.
Pray for your brother, that he will assume the Godly role that is his.
Pray for your sister-in-law, the what ever is driving her to separate
your brother and herself from the the rest of the family will be healed.
Pray for God to give you the peace in the knowledge that you may not be
able to 'fix' it. From your description it would appear that it will
require devine intervention, and the realization by your brother as to
what his responsibilities are. Seek Godly counsel from your pastor, or
other spiritually mature believer. Know always that He is akways there
as a conforter, and will give you wisdon and direction as you call on
Him.


That is a question that can only be answered by yourself and where you live.
If you live in a place where crime is apparent, then it might be a good idea to
get one simply as a deterrent.  However, if a professional thief wants your
vehicle, its as good as gone no matter what you do.  But to slow down any
thieves it would be a good idea to get the basic options.  That would be:

1)	ignition kill or fuel cut-off
2)	a flashing red LED

These two are basic to a decent alarm system.
To slow down the criminal some more, get a steering wheel lock.
That should be sufficient to persuade the thief to find an easier target.
But, then there's always car-jacking.
Why is life so confusing?
I hope I helped somewhat.


Melido came off the DL today and will start tonight against the Rangers.
(Now, if only he can go the distance so that the bullpen doesn't have to
come in.....)

--I'm outta here like Vladimir!
-Alan Sepinwall


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What is the phone number for Alias?
A toll-free number is preferred, if available.

Thanks


	Down to 170-some odd lines.  We must be making progress!
On an ironic note, where I deleted lines Emacs continually gave me
the message "Garbage collecting... Done."  Think it's trying to
tell me something?

	You lurkers can join in at any time, you know!  Ahhh..
Talk.politics.guns -- the kindler, gentler newsgroup.  Who would
have thought?

	I remind you of shrapnel.  I consider 5' a reasonable space
limitation, but make no mistake a gun blowing up is a hazard to
those nearby, say in the next lane at the range.  My point was at
what distance, or level of threat, we draw the line.  Is it the
endangerment of others, so we do a 5' restriction, or the possibility
of being shot, hence we draw a 1.5 mile restriction, or a nuke and
draw a 5 mile restriction?  To me they al suffer from the fundamental
flaw that they restrict based upon the instrument rather than placing
the responsibility for usage squarely upon the shoulders of the user.
Perhaps Sen. Metzenbaum declaring the Barrett Light Fifty an assault
rifle has made this more apparent to me, since the Barrett has
only range and acurracy going for it.

	I disagree, on the grounds that a house can be rebuilt much
more easily than my family once I have died.  I assume that word
would get to the citizens that such an attack was planned.  If this
is not the case, the tactical and strategic implications change
quite a bit.  Personally, my home is worth, say, twenty Martians
intent on taking over the world.  My family?  All of them.  The
balancing act here is hard to judge sitting at my desk.

	That seems to be the case already, given that heavy
weapons aren't commonly owned by the citizenry.  With such low
numbers, obviously due to cost, I don't think the superior
weapons are going to be of great effect against a numerically
superior foe.  Furthermore, it is even more doubtful their training
includes proper tactical movements that best utilize tanks,
whereas the commonly rifleman is not so hampered in effectiveness.

	I had envisioned that the armorer, perhaps the officers
of a select group, and the like would exercise control over the
heavier, more complex weapons.  But, if Joe Bob owns an old Sherman
tank I certainly wouldn't ask him to give it up.  Follow orders
from the officers, yes.  Since the expense of a tank is so large,
though, chances are it would be jointly purchased and should
therefore be jointly maintained and operated.

	This I'll agree with to a point.  The State having control
over the heavy weapons should not be justification for the state
to have them centrally located.  Keep them spread out, such that
the ability of the State to lock them up isn't so easy.  Otherwise,
I would have to assume that State control would rest on the
authority of the Governor and militia officers.

	I'm having a hard time seeing how these heavy weapons,
fairly few in numbers, could not be easily wielded by a few
people with government support.  Just as you argued above that
the weapons should be divvied up and under democratic control
so one side doesn't have all of them, I can't see where this
situation is alleviated in having the select militia holding
all the weapons and the unorganized militia being the infantry.
I think a better mix is called for.  But, I would argue that
the Federal army should rely upon the select militia and the
unorganized militia for the bulk of its infantry units.

	We have to assume that there would be those who would
side with the government-controlled forces, and if they've all
the equipment an infantry force 3x the size would be in trouble.
I'd like to see that heavy stuff, say tanks, offset by the
local troups having a few 105's and anti-tank weapons in their
armory.  These would be much more useful to infantry than the
tank would be when cost and training requirements are figured in.
I suppose I'm quibbling over what constitutes heavy equipment.

	So would I, but the resources often aren't available to
outfit local units well enough.  Thus, we will certainly have to
call in others, and a mechanized unit carries more stuff faster
than anything else.

	Perhaps our ideas of heavy weapons are different?  I think
main battle tanks, self-propelled artillery, and 155mm and up
field pieces are heavy stuff.  M113 troop carriers, 2 1/2 ton
trucks, HumVee's, old M60 tanks, 105 Howitzers, are more the stuff
of a mechanized infantry.  Actually, this is what the Guard units
in Iowa are currently fielding in some units.

	Perhaps it is just my innate fear of having the real heavy
equipment under State control, with little but numbers and light
stuff to act as a deterrent.  Allowing main battle tanks to the
states should be balanced with anti-tank capability in the local
ranks.  Similarly, local units would need to band together quickly,
hence small and fast response means mechanized infantry.  Finally,
the militia is more than just fighting.  Equipment is needed for
other responses.  The Federal army, I'm convinced, should have a
very minumum of infantry, relying on the state and local militias
for these functions.


:Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms
:'deter' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. I think that that
:there are actually *few* cases where this is so.

You "think" wrong.  Ask the FBI.  They've got the proof.  Look it up.

:The bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary
:opponents ... those who posessa a cool jakcet you want, those who
:would argue with you about a parking space, those who would
:take your woman. In short, trivial and worthless causes.

You lie like a snake.  The "vast majority" of the 200 MILLION firearms
in this country are never used in anger.  Your feelings notwithstanding.

:Too much of this has ruined you cause. There is no recovery.
:In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms.
:No one will help you. You are more dangerous, to their thinking,
:than the 'criminal'. This is your own fault.

We will overcome the kind of blind, pig-headed, utterly stupid idiocy that
you and others spout in a vain attempt to further your own agendas.  We
will make the truth be known, despite your best efforts to the contrary.

:The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way.

The Second Amendment won't be dead unless it is repealed.  That won't happen.

EVER.

Accept this.  Find another way to try and control other's lives, because we
see you for what you are, and we are not fooled.

Mike Ruff


Actually I wasn't too surprised, since I bought it with the rust.  Any of you
got some ideas of getting rid of this CHEAPLY (key word)??  It has eaten all
the
way through on the door panels.  Can I use Bondo?

Also, is there a good paint that will bond to Aluminum rims?  The paint thati
was on my rims has peeled off, actually, there's some rust looking 'stuff' on
the rims themselves...  but it comes off pretty easily.

One more thing...
Have any of you done self-painting to a car?  How do you start?  What do I need
to do this?


: Hello all you windows freaks out there.
:
: I bought Windows 3.1 (dutch version) some time ago, and run it on a
: 286. I recently upgraded my computer to a 486DX33, 256K cache, 4M memory,
: 212M Maxtor HD. Works real fine, but not with windows.
:
: When playing Patience (SOL) or minesweeper, suddenly the system hangs:
: - I just can't move my mouse anymore.
: or
: - Screen goes blank, nothing further
: or
: - Screen goes blank, computer seems to reboot, but stops before reaching
: the end of the memory test.
:
: Once (or maybe even twice) I got a message about some illegal kernel call
: or something (accompanied by a hex adress) and a close-button. When pressing
: it, the application wouldn't close, though.
:
: I haven't experienced this problem with other programs than these, but that's
: mainly because I haven't really used other programs. I suspect them to hang
: too.
:
: Anything known about this problem. (Or, better, any patches available?)
:
:
: Oh, forgot to tell, if, in CMOS RAM, I make the computer faster (higher
: bus speed, less wait states, enable both caches etc), the crash comes
: faster (after 10 min. or so). If I deliberately slow the system down
: (slow bus speed, wait states, disable internal/external cache, no
: shadowing) the crash comes later, but comes.
:
: Hope anyone can help.
:
: Wouter.
:
:

Hi,

I got a problem too, with a 486DX2-66 VLB, 4 Mb RAM,  170Mb disk.
Sometimes, when I switch on the computer, it starts Windows (3.1 Dutch)
Windows switches to 1024x768, switches back to text-mode and exits
to DOS. After one or two resets, the system works fine...


04 May 93, D. Andrew Byler writes to All:

 DAB> I think I need to again post the Athanasian Creed, whicc pretty well
 DAB> delinieates orthodox Christian belief on the Trinity, and on the
 DAB> Incarnation.

 DAB> It's a pretty good statement of the beliefs eventually accpeted, and the
 DAB> Creed is in use by the Catholic Church, as well as the Lutheran,
 DAB> Anglican, and Orthodox churches (the last minus the filioque, which they
 DAB> delete from the original form of the creed).

Do you have any evidence that it is used by the Orthodox Churches?

As far as I know it is purely Western, like the "Apostles' Creed". The
Orthodox Churches use the "Symbol of Faith", commonly called "The
Nicene Creed".

Steve Hayes
Department of Missiology
University of South Africa


Not any more the rules don't say that.  So that's a pretty dumb argument.


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It may be that they just didn't mention it, or that they actually haven't
thought about it.  I got the vague impression from their mission proposal
that they weren't taking a very holistic aproach to the whole thing.  They
seemed to want to land people on the Moon by the end of the decade without
explaining why, or what they would do once they got there.  The only application
I remember from the Av Week article was placing a telescope on the Moon.  That's
great, but they don't explain why it can't be done robotically.

But I'm a _member_.  Besides Bill, I hang out with you :)


Ruotsaleinen was a more than competent NHL'er...his choice of where
to play when did not bear on his hockey playing ability.

He was crucial to the Oilers Stanley Cup victory in 1990, the one
without Gretzky, because he made an Oiler power play which was
lethargic that year until he arrived slide into overdrive.  The
Oilers missed him more the following year than Kurri, and I think
the Oilers would have make the finals if Ruotsaleinen has stayed
around the following season, and would have beaten Pittsburgh
with Ruotsaleinen and a healthy Messier...and delayed Pittsburgh's
dynasty by a season.


sandiego and graig nettles


The original Mac II had an Apple MMU chip installed which performs a subset
of the 68851's functions.  If you look underneath your front left floppy
bay you will find three chips, all approximately the same size.  One will
be the 68020, the next the 68881, and the third, approximately the same
size, will be the Apple chip.  It is easy to spot because it has a 'hump'
in the middle of it.

Example:

                         -----------
                        /           \
         ---------------             ---------------
         |                                         |
         |                                         |

That and the Apple logo should make it easy to find.


: The driver had looked over at me casually a couple of times; I
: know he knew I was there.

oh, okay.  then in that case it was
attemped vehicular manslaughter.
he definitely wanted to kill you.
all cagers want to kill bikers.
that's the only explanation that
i can think of.


	My GS came with XGT V4s and they are NOT all weather tires.  I took
out my right front bumper sliding on packed snow (not ice), before I learned
this fact.  I immediately bought XGT H4s which are definately all-weather.
A Carrera 4 I walk by everyday has XGT V4s on it even.  The Michelin dealer
where I bought my new tires said the V4s were made out of a different
rubber that gets really hard and slick when the weather gets near feezing.
Said he'd only try to sell me those tires during the winter if we were in
Texas and not Colorado.

Thanks,
Eric


So it looks like I'm going to have to put a couple of bikes in storage
for a few months, starting several months from now, and I'm already
contemplating how to do it so they're as easy to get going again as
possible. I have everything under control, I think, besides the
batteries. I know that if I buy a $50.00 Battery Tender for each one
and leave them plugged in the whole time the bikes are in storage,
they'll be fine. But I'm not sure that's necessary. I've never heard
anyone discussing this idea, so maybe there's some reason why it isn't
so great. But maybe someone can tell me.

Would it be a mistake to fully charge the batteries, drain the
electrolyte into separate containers (one for each battery), seal the
container, close up the batteries, and leave them that way? Then it
would seem that when the bikes come out of storage, I could put the
electrolyte back in the batteries and they should still be fully
charged. What's wrong with this?

On a related, but different note for you Bay Area Denizens, wasn't
there someone who had a bunch of spare EDTA a few months back? Who was
it? Is there still any of it left?

Thanks for any and all help!


I have a like new Hayes JT FAX for sale $125 or offer or trade!


Sounds more like an Opel GT.  Neat cars, fun to drive.  Sold through
Buick from 196? through 1973 (if I remember correctly).  I believe it
was in '72 that there were some engine mods made such that parts
were not interchangeable with the older models.  Parts are thus much
harder to come by for the later models.  Parts in general are not
too difficult to find.  At one time JC Whitney carried some stuff
including a brand new (not remfg) long block.  Either a GT or a
Kharman Ghia (hmm that spelling looks hosed) will be my next project.


WFWG does use NDIS but it cooperates well with the NDIS shim for ODI.
(I've heard that it is as fast as NDIS direct)

The additional TSR load is minimal.  I think I eat another  20K total.
This is worth it to me since it allows me to get to my Windows NT
box.  Novell hasn't released a decent NT Novell client yet so I share
through my WFWG box.


   without active participation.  If you know the Latin, one really
   beautiful way to hear the Passion is it's being chanted by three
   deacons:  the Narrator chants in the middle baritone range, Jesus chants
   in the bass, and others directly quoted are handled by a high tenor.

I heard the Gregorian chant of the Passion on Good Friday.  In this
liturgy, our Lord is definitely *very* sad.  It's as if He has
resigned Himself to die for these poor pitiful creatures who are
killing Him.


# |> >
# |> >It is NOT a "terrorist camp" as you and the Israelis like
# |> >to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer
# |> >in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc.....
# |> >SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of
# |> >the Lebanese resistance.  Even the inhabitants of the village do not
# |> >know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often
# |> >suspect who they are and what they are up to.  These young men are
# |> >supported financially by Iran most of the time.  They sneak arms and
# |> >ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps
# |> >for Israeli patrols.  Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured
# |> >by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages
# |> >of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians.
# |>
# |> This a "tried and true" method utilized by guerilla and terrorists groups:
# |> to conduct operations in the midst of the local populace, thus forcing the
# |> opposing "state" to possible harm innocent civilians in their search or,
# |> in order to avoid the deaths of civilians, abandon the search. Certainly the
# |> people who use the population for cover are *also* to blaim for dragging the
# |> innocent civilians into harm's way.
# |>
# |> Are you suggesting that, when guerillas use the population for cover, Israel
# |> should totally back down? So...the easiest way to get away with attacking
# |> another is to use an innocent as a shield and hope that the other respects
# |> innocent lives?
#
# Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are using
# civilians for cover, are they not killing SOLDIERS in THEIR country? If the
# buffer zone is to prevent attacks on Israel, is it not working? Why is it
# further neccessary for Israeli guns to pound Lebanese villages? Why not just
# kill those who try to infiltrate the buffer zone? You see, there is more to
# the shelling of the villages.... it is called RETALIATION... "GETTING BACK"
# ..."GETTING EVEN". It doesn't make sense to shell the villages. The least
# it shows is a reckless disregard by the Israeli government for the lives of
# civilians.

  Please clarify your standards for rules of engagement.  As I
  understand it, Israelis are at all times and under all
  circumstances fair targets.  Their opponents are legitimate
  targets only when Mirandized, or some such?

  I'm sure that this makes perfect sense if you grant *a*priori*
  that Israelis are the Black Hats, and that therefore killing
  them is automatically a Good Thing (Go Hezbollah!).  The
  corollary is that the Hezbollah are the White Hats, and that
  whatever they do is a Good Thing, and the Israelis only prove
  themselves to be Bad Guys by attacking them.

  This sounds suspiciously like a hockey fan I know, who cheers
  when one of the players on His Team uses his stick to permanently
  rearrange an opponent's face, and curses the ref for penalizing
  His Side.  Of course, when it's different when the roles are
  reversed.


Me, too... RBI are a worthless stat. Of course, so is stolen bases because
sometimes runners are in front of a player that would otherwise run. And of
course pitchers pitch differently with different people on different bases,
so batting average, slugging and obp out, too.  Hmmm... i guess homers would
not count then, either.
My point? RBI might not be a perfect stat but nothing is. And no stat (or lack
of) can tell me there are no clutch hitters. Maybe no stat CAN tell me,
either, but some people are... I just know it!!! 8)


In a Philadelphia Inquirer a few days ago, it was reported that there were
two (2) plans for a new Phillies stadium:  the already-mentioned 30th
Street Station proposal, and a location near Broad Street and Race Street,
I think.  I can't remember the exact details, but the stadium would be
build practically downtown.  There is a small lot that could be used,
according to the paper.  The 30th street plan has run into some trouble,
because Amtrak does not want to reroute some of its lines in order to
accomodate the stadium.  I don't have an opinion just yet, just letting
everyone know that there are really two options being discussed right now.
Neither of these plans will be put into effect very soon, however, because
nobody wants to pay for it :-)

--
    Keith Keller				LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
						LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!
	kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu		IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!


this is a tesrt
s


I am looking for information on infra red based position encoders.

The idea would be to bounce the infrared source off a wall and the device would
read out the distance.

preferable it would be rs-232 addressable.

Any leads?


...

Funny.  A bit disturbing.  Forging a posting seems somewhat unethical, even
if the subject is as notorious as McElwaine.

Followups should definitely not go to sci.space.


Hello

as the subject tells all I am trying to find out what is the formula to
calculate the ERA for the pitchers.

If any of you baseball fans have it please e-mail me at

	napoli@atc.olivetti.com

	thank you very much


As I won't be able to make the Joust this summer (Job related time
conflict :'^{   ), I plan instead on going to the Rider Rally in
Knoxville.

I'll be leaving from Chicago. and generally plan on going down along
the Indiana/Illinois border into Kentucky and then Tennessee.  I would
be very interested in hearing suggestions of roads/routes/areas that
you would consider "must ride" while on the way to Knoxville.

I can leave as early as 5/22 and need to arrive in Knoxville by 6PM
on 5/25.  That leaves me a pretty good stretch of time to explore on
the way.

By the way if anyone else is going, and would like to partner for the
ride down, let me know.  I'll be heading east afterward to visit family,
but sure don't mind company on the ride down to the Rally.  Depending on
weather et al. my plan is motelling/tenting thru the trip.

From the Rally I'll be heading up the Blue Ridge Parkway, then jogging
into West Va (I-77) to run up 219 -> Marlington, 28 -> Petersburg,
55E -> I-81/I-66E.  After this point the route is presently undetermined
into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6).  Suggestions
for these areas would be of great interest also.

Many thanks for your ideas,

Enjoy,


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(a) To use for sensitive but not strategically important traffic,
(b) if the system was cheap.

For example, I don't own a cordless phone.  With Clipper, I would.  If the
local men in blue really want to listen to me talk to my friends or order
pizza, I'm no worse off than I am now, and I don't have to worry about
local kids or nosy neighbors.

That is to say, Clipper "raises the bar" on insecure channels.  It doesn't
make them secure, by any means, but a wall, even if the FBI can get a master
key by court order, is still better than a "keep off the grass" sign.

So, where can I buy a DES-encrypted cellular phone?  How much does it cost?
Personally, Cylink stuff is out of my budget for personal use :)...

The Second and Fourth Amendments do come to mind.


Hi all:
Does anyone know where I can get the cheapest price for
the Teleport Gold fax modem by Global Village?
Any answer will be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Regards,


I ONLY Just prevented myself from diving  in on this one.....


My knowledge about driving in the U.S. is also second-hand, but I think I can
correct your statements about our Autobahn:

Oh yeah, that would be paradise... in fact, you can forget it. From all I've
heard from my U.S. relatives, drivers esp. here in Germany are much more agg-
ressive, but not disciplined. One of my relatives, a L.A. resident, hired a car
at the Nuernberg airport and went about 18 miles to our home. He said then that
he grew about 1 year older during this ride and swore he'd never drive a car in
Germany again (this was in 1982 and he kept his promise - the situation now is
even worse as effect of the increased volume of traffic).
What you mean by `better disciplined' should perhaps be considered `cautious due
to fear':
When driving around here, you always *have* to take into consideration that the
majority of the other drivers absolutely relies on you: They expect that nobody
fails or sleeps; many of them exploit this by driving as fast as their car can
go (of course only where that is allowed, you might think - dream on :).
So any mistake you make is a very high risk to your health - and if you're ex-
posed to such a situation from your very first day as a driver, you learn to
handle it - or you lose...
That's the way I and most people I know experience our traffic situation -
whether you think this is pleasant or efficient is up to you; I think we handle
a very high volume of traffic and that at high speeds with modest (compared to
the volume) and decreasing rates of lethal accidents - OTOH, more and more
people (esp. women) dislike driving (because they feel overtaxed and threatened)
and each accident is one accident too much.

Better designed and maintained, may be - but animal fences are very rare. Auto-
bahnen and many other streets have guard-rails (I hope that's the right word -
a plank made from thick steel sheet fixed on uprights; it's about 2 feet high);
those guard-rails are designed for keeping vehicles on the road. Smaller animals
can crawl under the plank, bigger ones can easily jump over it. The point is
that esp. larger animals are very rare in Germany; they tend also to be very
timid. Accidents caused by animals are a neglegible danger.

You're right (there are speed linits even on the major part of the Autobahn) -
but the attitude towards driving (see above) seems to be very similar to that
in Germany (I've been in France, Switzerland, Italy, Austria, Spain, Belgium,
the Netherlands) - besides that, you really can't rely on the residents abiding
the local speed limits. I've got quite a lot of practise (~120k miles) and I'm
used to travel at 130 mph (FYI, with a car even smaller than a rabbit), but I
consider driving on the highways round Paris or Milano really a thrill...

Sorry, but you'll find quite a lot rabbit-class-car (or even smaller, mine is a
Peugeot 205) owners going that fast; small cars with much HP are very `hip' over
here - and most people buying such cars aren't afraid to let them run.

I disagree; the size or weight of a car is rather irrelevant. Formula-1 cars
weigh less than 700 kg and the drivers have a chance to survive accidents at
130 mph or higher - OTOH when crashing against a solid object at 130 mph,
it makes no difference whether you sit in a Porsche, a Mercedes, a tank or on
a bicycle: Your're dead.

Bye,
Stefan
---
Stefan Dalibor (dalibor@immd3.uni-erlangen.de)


I went back and looked at the review again.  They claim there were
significant differences in manipulating a 27 meg test file, but with
smaller files, the two platforms were the about the same.  David


I'm having a real tough time finding out the proper adapters to use a VGA
monitor (an IBM 8513 sold w/ many PS/2's to be exact) on the Mac LC III.
All of the vendors I have called say that the internal video will not work
on a true VGA monitor but will work on a IBM Compatible multisync like the
sony's or the NEC monitors.  I thought the VGA capability of LCIII was very
attractive because it allowed you to use inexpensive VGA monitors.  Am I
confused or are these vendors just not up to speed?  Has anyone used an
LCIII with a non multisync VGA monitor and if so where did you get your
adapter (please be specific w/ vendor and cat #)?  I would prefer to get a
apple monitor for these LCIII's (it's unseemly to see the finder inside an
IBM bezel) but the more money we save on monitors the more LCIII's we can
afford and the more PS/2's we can get rid of!


My, my, my.  I knew that I would receive a response to my post, but not
THIS extensive.  Thank you to all who responded; it at least showed that
people were willing to think about it, even though the general response was
a return to the same old "Why should it matter?" question.  To those of you
who were a part of this response, I suggest that you read the articles
covering this same question in soc.culture.african.american, for you are in
DIRE need of some cultural enlightenment.

Hasta luego


I have uploaded the most recent Windows drivers for the Cirrus GD5426
chip based display cards to the uploads directory at ftp.cica.indiana.edu
 (file is 5426dr13.zip). They're very recent, I downloaded them from the
Cirrus BBS (570-226-2365) last night. If you are unable to get them there,
email me and maybe I can upload them to some other sites as well.
I have a local bus based card (VL24 Bitblaster from Micron) but I think
the drivers work with ISA cards (or at least includes drivers for them).

I found the new drivers to be a significant improvement over the 1.2 version,
improving my graphic winmarks (v3.11) by about 2 million (7.77 to 9.88)
although this could be the result of intentional benchmark cheating on
Cirrus's part but I don't think so.

From Steve Gibson's (columnist for Info World) graphic card comparisons
(also found at the cica ftp site under the name winadv.zip) I extracted the
following for the sake of comparison:

							Wintach
             		Winbn3.11	Word	Sprsht	Cad	Paint	Overall
Steve's system:
486/33 VLB:
ATI Graphics Ultra Pro	  9.33		10.34	 20.78	8.28	14.90	 13.58

my system -
486sx/33 VLB:
VL24 Bitblaster		  9.88		 8.65	 11.71	18.84	15.40	 13.65

Its no Viper, but I think its a hell of a deal at about a third of the cost of
the ATI card and when compared to the other cards included in Gibson's review.

Micron system owner's, I would be interested to hear your opinions on the
DTC 2270VL local bus disk controller. My system came with a Maxtor 7120
drive (120 MB) and at first was only giving me disk winmarks of about 16 Kb/s,
I am now at 22 Kb/s. Is this about as good as it gets? I can't get a Norton's
sysinfo disk reading because the contoller intercepts the calls, at
least that was what the program said.


All you have to do is turn it in to the police like you would an accident,
get a report and send it in to your insurance company and they will contact
the other guys insurance company and they will have to pay just as they
would in an accident they caused.  Thus no need to go to court.  A friend of
mine did this and he got the money so it does work.


}>}>}(a) out of context;
}>}>Must have missed when you said this about these other "promises of god" that we keep
}>}>getting subjected to.  Could you please explain why I am wrong and they are OK?
}>}>Or an acknowledgement of public hypocrisy. Both or neither.
}>}
}>}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for
}>}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a
}>}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context?
}>
}>Did I either ask or assert that?  Or is this your misaimed telepathy at work again?
}
}(1)  Stephen said you took a quote out of context
}(2)  You noted that Stephen had not replied to some other t.r.m article
}     (call it A) that took a quote out of context
}(3)  But the lack of evidence for X does not constitute evidence for the
}     lack of X  (a common creationist error)
}(4)  So the fact that Stephen did not reply to A does not justify the
}     conclusion that Stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in A

Excellent.  Now under what conditions could such a conclusion be made, other
than a direct assertion by his part.  For instance, am I to assume that
you have no position on eating shit merely because you have not said
your position, or might a conclusion be made by observing that you do not.

}(7)  I assumed you were being logical, and that the sentence that begins
}     "Could you please explain ..." was not a nonsequitur, but was intended
}     to follow from the sentence that preceded it.

}Is that better Jim?   It's called an argument.  If you disagree with it,
}explain why the argument is not sound.  (I admit that my assumption in (7)
}may have been a bit hasty.)  If you agree with it, just say "yup."


Yes, I did punch in the wrong numbers (working too many late nites).  I
intended on stating 640x400 is 256,000 bytes.  It's not in the bios, just my
VESA TSR.


Ah, we are looking for good people just like you. We are a very concerned
group of citizens who are absolutely disgusted at the way that the majority
of drivers simply disobey traffic rules like going above the speed limit,
passing on our right, and riding our tails, while all the while we respectfully
abide by the rules of this great country and maintain the mandated speed
limits with our calibrated, certified cruise controls, while keeping the
respectful 1.5 car length distance/10 mph speed. How many times have you been
ticked off by some moron who jumps ahead in the (5.5 * 1.5)8.25 car lengths
that you have left between you and the vehicle ahead of you while driving
55 mph? Finally you have an option. We are a totally member supported group
that perform functions for our own good, for the good of this great country  but MOST of all for those unfortunate ones that are too stupid to realize it,
bless their souls. For a paltry $10, you can join Citizens for Rationally
Advanced Piloting(C.R.A.P), a non-profit, members only, society. But, but,but,
there is a slight hitch, the initiation rite. To be a full fledged member of
this exclusive club, you must proof that you are able to be in the fast lane of
the busiest interstate in your area, keep the correct 1.5 car lenth/10 mph speedand I know this can be difficult with those morons around, NOT let anybody pass
you, not in the next lane, not in the slow lane, not in the breakdown lane,
not NOWHERE. For a complete list of acceptable interstates and times, send $5.
And by the way, over 90% of our members are highly regarded attorneys in the
auto field and they are completely, absolutely positively in the business ONLY
to serve your best interests. As a testament to their virtues, they will give
members 90% off the initial consultation fee. Feel free to drop me a line at
your earliest convenience and remember, only SPEED kills!


In 1941, while the Jews were being assembled for their doom in the Nazi
concentration camps, the Nazi Armenians in Germany formed the first
Armenian battalion to fight alongside the Nazis. In 1943, this battalion
had grown into eight battalions of 20,000-strong under the command of Dro
(the butcher) who is the architect of the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5
million Turks and Kurds between 1914-1920. An Armenian National Council
was formed by the notorious Dashnak Party leaders in Berlin, which was
recognized by the Nazis. Encouraged by this, the Armenians summarily
formed a provisional government that endorsed and espoused fully the
principles of the Nazis and declared themselves as the members of the
Aryan super race and full participants to Hitler's policy of extermination
of the Jews.

This Armenian-Nazi conspiracy against the Jews during WWII was an "encore"
performance staged by the Armenians during WWI, when they back-stabbed and
exterminated 2.5 million Turks by colluding with the invading Russian army.

Source: "Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922" by A. Rawlinson,
Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923)
(287 pages).
(Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5
 million Muslim people)

p. 184 (second paragraph)

 "I had received further very definite information of horrors that
  had been committed by the Armenian soldiery in Kars Plain, and as
  I had been able to judge of their want of discipline by their
  treatment of my own detached parties, I had wired to Tiflis from
  Zivin that 'in the interests of humanity the Armenians should not
  be left in independent command of the Moslem population, as, their
  troops being without discipline and not under effective control,
  atrocities were constantly being committed, for which we should
  with justice eventually be held to be morally responsible'."

Serdar Argic


Just felt it was important to add four letters that Steve left out of
his Subject: header.


I am posting to this group in hopes of finding someone out there in
network newsland who has heard of something similar to what I am going
to describe here.  I have a fourteen year old daugter who experienced
a seizure on November 3, 1992 at 6:45AM after eating Kellog's Frosted
Flakes.  She is perfectly healthy, had never experienced anything like
this before, and there is no history of seizures in either side of the
family.  All the tests (EEG, MRI, EKG) came out negative so the decision
was made to do nothing and just wait to see if it happened again.

Well, we were going along fine and the other morning, April 5, she had
a bowl of another Kellog's frosted kind of cereal, Fruit Loops (I am
embarrassed to admit that I even bought that junk but every once
in a while...) So I pour it in her bowl and think "Oh, oh, this is the
same kind of junk she was eating when she had that seizure."  Ten
minutes later she had a full blown seizures. This was her first exposure
to a sugar coated cereal since the last seizure.

When I mentioned what she ate the first time as a possible reason for
the seizure the neurologist basically negated that as an idea.  Now
after this second episode, so similar in nature to the first, even
he is scratching his head.  Once again her EEG looks normal which I
understand can happen even when a person has a seizure.

Once again we are waiting. I have been thinking that it would be good
to get to as large a group as possible to see if anyone has any
experience with this kind of thing.  I know that members of the medical
community are sometimes loathe to admit the importance that diet and
foods play in our general health and well-being.  Anyway, as you can
guess, I am worried sick about this, and would appreciate any ideas
anyone out there has.  Sorry to be so wordy but I wanted to really get
across what is going on here.

Thanks.


Hi guys,
	I've been hearing lots of talk on the net about DC-X and DC-Y,
but none of the many posts actually explain what they are !!! Sorry if
this is a FAQ, but would somebody please explain to me what they are.
Reply by Email please . . . thanks.

	Andy

ajjb@adam4.bnsc.rl.ac.uk
--


Hi... can anybody give me book or reference title to give me a start at
fractal image compression technique. Helps will be appreciated... thanx


This should be in the FAQ, it only get asked about twenty times a month

There is *NO*, that's right, *NO* telnet access to Compuserve, no ftp access,
no gopher access....no Internet services except e-mail.

You can telnet to hermes.merit.edu, but that routes you through Sprintnet,
which is horrendously expensive.


About this QUADRA 700, 800 clock acceleration: has anyone heard
of anything like it for the QUADRA 950?

Please reply e-mail, I don't get to the news very often.  Thanks!!


Us easterners who have newspapers with editors
unsympathetic to playoff pools, often don't get
summaries from west coast games since they
finish too late at night for the morning edition.

I (and I'm sure others too) would greatly appreciate
it if scoring summaries of west coast playoff games
could be posted to this group right away.
basically, all we need are goal scorers and assists,
don't bother with times, penalties, shots etc...

this would make a lot of pool-obsessed people very
happy.

I guess with the Senators out golfing now, the
local papers have lost interest.  ;-)

thanks.

kd.


Well, I gotta tell ya,

last night's Leafs game vs the Devils was a nail-bitter LET ME TELL YOU!
It was a well played game by BOTH teams (I thought) but according to the
Don and Ron it was the an "off-night" for the Leafs and the Devils
were outplaying Toronto. Well, I BEG to differ....

IMHO, Clark deserved to be a first star as much as Gilmour did. His
fast breaks towards the net and the good opportunites that he
created reminded me of the Clark of old. (But not to take any of the
credit away from Gilmour).

I think the Leafs are playing GREAT hockey. WHY?
Well first look at their injury list which includes, Cullen, Ellet,
Zezel, Macoun. Of course my question is this....how will the Leafs
fare when they are once again "healthy" if they are playing this well
so far??

Second, just look at their standings, still second in defence,
moved from 11th overall to 6th over in the last month, haven't lost
at home in last 12 games, 8 game undefeated streak..etc.
(BTW, am I wrong or was this Potvin's first shut-out? I can't
remember him having any as of yet.)

Well, as of April 3 we see that the race for first in the Norris
has truly begun and it will be a VERY CLOSE race between Chicago and
Toronto. And the best game of the season will probably be their last
against each other. (is anyone lucky enough to have tickets to
see this one?)

Coming to the stretch and still a ROAR'IN!!!!!
Go LEAFS Go!!!!


I did say *any* invader, didn't I?  What do you want from me, perhaps a neural
net design with all countries involved in Lebanon as its nodes? :-)  (You are
in Cognitive and Neural Systems)


What size dirtbikes did you ride? and for how long? You might be able to
slip into a 500cc bike. Like I keep telling people, though, buy an older,
cheaper bike and ride that for a while first...you might like a 500 Interceptor
as an example


TO: saz@hook.corp.mot.com

SZ>Does anybody know of a program that converts .GIF files to .BMP files
SZ>and if so, where can I ftp it from?  Any help would be greatly
SZ>appreciated.

  Sure... A GREAT shareware  program is Graphic Workshop (the newest
  version is 6.1).  Although I don't know where you can ftp it from.  It
  also converts to about 15 other formats, and does MANY other things.

....r.c V.t.ell. .r...


	What's the difference between Nolan Ryan and Yount?  Both have hung
around for years, and continue to post great stats.  Why shouldn't Dave Kingman
get into the Hall?  Or Murray, Evens, Reardon, and others?  What the hell do
you have to do?  Ask an opposing pitcher whether he thinks that Winfield should
be in the hall...  God.  Pretty soon you'll be saying that Cal Ripken doesn't
deserve to be in the Hall.  Then, I'll flame you. :-)


The above headline is much better than the original one.
read on..

So far so good...

Old friend, whatever....

That is a great attitude for someone who wants to pressure the Serbs to
accept a peace plan that gives them most of the territory they got by
force and terror.

this is a good thing to hear. Anybody wondering why Serbia is not
really under any boycott? Anybody remembers the Gulf war? Did Saddam
kill 100,000 people and rape 50,000 women?

Still in the threatening stage.. Maybe when there is no more Bosnians,
the UN will lift the arms Embargo on them! Military intervention? that
is reserved for Muslim countries.

NOW HEAR THIS:

real positive I might add, in favor of his old freinds of course!

You bet they are not!


If I recall correctly, the bill would provide for concealed carry if
the person takes a 15-hr DPS safety course in firearms and pays a $150
fee for the license.  The bill is apparently veto-proof in the House,
but LtGov Bullock has said it will never come to the floor of the
Senate and Dreamboat Annie has vowed to veto it if it comes to her
desk.  *shrug*


A lot of teams carry 3 catchers on their 25 man roster,
but the 3rd catcher is seldom ever used.  He is only
insurance in case of extra innings or the 2nd catcher
is injured during a game.     So to free up this roster
spot for an extra pinch hitter or reliever, why not
invoke a catcher re-substitution rule:

If the last roster catcher on a team is
injured during a game, the team is permitted
to substitute in his place for defensive purposes
a catcher who has previously been yanked from
the game.

Given this rule, a team wouldn't need 3 roster
catchers.  The 3rd catcher could be playing
in AAA or be a non-roster bullpen catcher.