THE WHITE HOUSE

                    Office of the Press Secretary
_________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release                             April 14, 1993

                       REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
                      AT SUMMER JOBS CONFERENCE

                            Hyatt Regency
                        Crystal City, Virginia

11:22 A.M. EDT

	     THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you very much.  The speech that
Octavius gave says more than anything I will be able to say today
about why it's important to give all of our young people a chance to
get a work experience and to continue to learn, to merge the nature
of learning and work; why it's important to honor the efforts of
people like Jerry Levin and Nancye Combs and Pat Irving and all of
those who are here.

	     I want to thank the Secretaries of Labor and Education
and all the people who work with them for sponsoring this; and my
good friend, Governor Wilder, for being here and for speaking; and
all of the business and local community leaders from the city and
county and state level from around America who are here.

	     This has been a pretty fun day.  (Laughter.)  I loved
hearing the young people sing.  It was music to my ears because it is
their future that we are really struggling about.  (Applause.)  A
year and a half ago I began the quest to seek the presidency because
I was concerned about their future.  Because I believe that our
country, which had always been a beacon of hope for the young, had
too little opportunity, was too divided among ourselves across lines
of income and race and region and other ways, without a vision to
take us into the future.

	     I entered with the hope that together we could create
more opportunity and insist on much more responsibility from all of
our people.  But in the process we might recreate the best of
America's community, knowing that together we could always to more
than we could individually and that we might secure our future.

	     All of you here today are committed to that.  The 1,000
jobs that Jerry Levin has committed Time-Warner to is symbolic of the
commitments made by many of the private sector people who are here,
and those who are around the country.  The work that Nancye Combs
does, and the successes of all the young people like those on this
stage, and especially the eloquent statement Octavius Jeffers -- all
those things show that together we know what we need to do, and we're
on the right track.

	     Last July when I was traveling across America's
heartland in my luxurious bus, I visited Seneca High School in
Louisville, Kentucky.  And there I met young people and business
people who were participating in the Louisville Education and
Employment Partnership.  I saw what Nancye Combs talked about today.
I saw how the young people were making an extra effort to succeed
both in school and at work.  I saw, as I have seen many times in my
own state, the principle illustrated that Octavius has talked about
-- that for millions of American young people it is really an
impediment to both their learning and their ability to be good
workers to draw a sharp dividing line between what is work and what
is learning.

	     In the world in which we are living, the average young
person will change the nature of work seven or eight times in a
lifetime.  We must learn to merge the work world and the learning
world much better.  And we must determine that all of our young
people see the opportunities that some of them have had showcased
here today.

	     Whether you're in business or in government or in
education, you know that we have a big job to do when it comes to
building a future that really, honestly includes opportunity for all
of our people.  There are still a lot of people who say, well, things
are pretty good here in Washington and everything's fine; the best
thing we can do about this whole thing is nothing.  They all have
jobs.  (Laughter.)  All the people who say that.  (Applause.)

	     They all have health insurance.  They all have a pretty
good education.  And they all have a pretty secure knowledge that
they'll be okay no matter what happens.  I say that not to be either
political or unduly critical, but to point out that one of the great
challenges of this age for every advanced nation -- everyone -- is to
fully develop the capacities of all of its people, and then find work
for them to do.

	     All the European countries have higher unemployment
rates than we do, but also stronger support systems for the
unemployed.  The Japanese unemployment rate has been going up.
They're going to adopt a stimulus that, even if you count it in its
most rigorous terms, is three or four times bigger than the one that
I have proposed to create jobs.

	     In West Germany alone, the unemployment rate is now
about as high as ours.  This is a big problem for advanced nations.
It costs a lot of money to add an extra employee, with a lot of
pressure from low-wage producers in other countries that are growing
their own economies and trying to provide new opportunity for their
people.

	     But it is especially important for America for two
reasons:  One is, we have a whole lot of folks who, unless we move
aggressively, will not have the education and skills we need to be
competitive and productive in a nation like this.  The second is,
even if we educate them all, if there aren't jobs they will be robbed
of the fruits of their educational labors.  People need to be able to
work in this country.  (Applause.)

	     We have always had some unemployment; and, indeed, some
of it is normal.  You've always got some people leaving jobs and
moving around the country and doing first one thing and another.  We
have now, at this moment in our history, the necessity for all big
organizations, including the government, to reexamine the way they
are organized and who ask whether there are too many people working
at some kinds of jobs.  But in the whole, we must still be able to
create jobs in a country like America, to provide people with the
chance to work.

	     It's going to be difficult for me to make the welfare
reform proposals that I will make to Congress in the next couple of
months -- it's going to be hard for me to make those work if, at the
end of all this work, to get off welfare there isn't a job.
(Applause.)

	     So we have two tasks.  One is to develop the capacity of
the American people to perform without regard to race or income or
the circumstances of their birth.  The other is to make sure that
there are some opportunities for them to bring to bear for their
talent and to be rewarded with a paycheck.  It is a great challenge.
I do not pretend that all of the answers are simple.  But I know if
you want to ask the American people, all of them, to be more
responsible, if you want to recreate a sense of community in this
country that bridges the lines of race and income and region, you
have got to have opportunity in that mix.

	     A part of our vision for America has to be a future for
every young person in this country who's willing to play by the rules
and work hard and strive for the end of the rainbow.  There has to be
something at the end of that rainbow.  And that is what we are
basically here to talk about today:  What can we all do as partners,
recognizing none of us can do it alone, to develop the capacities of
our people to succeed wherever they live and whatever their
background.  And then, what can we do to make sure that there's
something there for them to do?

	     The summer jobs program we're discussing today is an
integral part of that plan, because it will promote the values of
work and opportunity and fairness, community.  It will put the people
first, and it does have a partnership between the public and private
sector.

	     I said when I addressed the United States Congress in
February on this program that I would seek to create about 700,000
extra summer jobs from government sources and then challenge the
American business community to meet that target so that we can create
more than a million new summer jobs over and above what had been
created before.

	     Many, many people have responded to that challenge.  And
Jerry is just a shining example of that which has been replicated in
this room and around the country -- people who are going to do more
than they otherwise would in the private sector to give young people
a work experience.  And it is terribly important.

	     I want to emphasize that this summer jobs program is
part of an overall commitment to increase the capacity of the
American people -- from retraining defense workers who lose their
jobs and other adults who need to acquire new skills; to improving
the transition from school to work for young people who don't go to
college but do need at least two years of post-high school training
either on the job or in a community college or a vocational setting,
so that they can be competitive workers, making it possible for more
people to go on to college who do want to go.

	     All these things are part and parcel of a comprehensive
plan.  It's also important, as I said, that we create more jobs.  The
emergency jobs program that I asked the Congress to adopt would
create a half a million extra jobs over the next year and a half, and
that would reduce the unemployment rate by a half a percent.  It
would also enable us to absorb more young people coming into the work
force in jobs that otherwise will not be created.

	      It also will help a lot of cities and counties to
invest in things that need to be done at the grass-roots level --
projects long delayed, water projects, sewer projects, park projects,
new industries and particularly in small and medium-size communities
-- a whole range of things that will improve the economy and improve
the environment.

	     The summer jobs program is an important part of that
because we have tried for the first time, through the work of the
Labor Department and the Education Department and through reaching
out to people like you, to make this more than just a one-shot summer
jobs program; to integrate it with private sector efforts; to
hopefully replicate it in each coming summer; to move these young
people into further educational opportunities and to further job
opportunities; and to have a strong, meaningful education component
to these summer jobs -- something that the United States government
has never fully emphasized before.

	     A lot of these young people, as you well know, because
they come from difficult backgrounds, because they go to school in
difficult and challenging circumstances, need extra help in building
their basic skills in math and language, reasoning and in other
areas.  And a lot of educational studies show that young people who
have difficulty in school often forget as much as 30 percent of what
they learn over the summer and then that has to be repeated the next
year.

	     What we are trying to do here is to give people the
opportunity to learn good work habits and to reinforce their learning
skills and to put them together; and then, hopefully, over the next
couple of years, if our entire program passes, to give every school
in this country the opportunity to have a good work and learning
environment.

	     There will be more applied academics, more opportunities
for people to learn and work during the school year, so that this
will not simply be an isolated moment for these young folks, but will
be a part of building a whole new educational experience, a whole new
work experience, and moving on a pathway to a better future.

	     The summer jobs programs are not designed to be make-
work jobs.  They're designed to make a future for the people holding
the job.  And that's what they will do.  In the process, they'll help
to build local communities, to strengthen local economies, to solve
local problems.  Real jobs -- renovating housing, repairing public
buildings, doing clerical work, providing nursing assistance in
hospitals, supervising and training children at child care centers,
and learning all the way.  Challenging young people to learn while
they earn, but letting them earn.

	     You know, it's very difficult to make a case to people
who have never seen opportunity on their own street that they should
do this, that, or the other thing if there's no evidence of the
opportunity that's at the end of the effort.  I have not been sparing
in going for the last year-and-a-half into places where it isn't
exactly popular to say it, and say I wanted to reform the welfare
system; I wanted to toughen child support; I wanted to require people
to work; I was sick and tired of people being irresponsible in the
use of guns on the streets, and I wanted to change all that.  But if
you're going to summon people to greater responsibility, you have to
reward them when they do the right thing with opportunity.
(Applause.)

	     The young people we propose to put to work under our
program will spend 90 hours learning basic skills, such as math,
reading, writing -- either on the job in the classroom.  They will
stretch their minds as well as work up a sweat.  They will have a
sense of accomplishment.  It will literally be a summer challenge,
but a challenge that will take them into a different life.

	     So I want to ask all of you to support this effort even
as I, as your President, support your effort.  At the end of the
summer we will evaluate all the young people who participate.  We'll
see whether they, instead of falling behind over the summer
academically as too many young people do, they stayed even or moved
ahead.  I suspect that they will.

	     This summer, Secretary Reich and Secretary Riley and I
will be visiting many of your communities.  We'll really try to learn
from you which of these efforts are working, what we should do next
summer, how we can build it in to what goes on during the school
year, how we can build in our job training efforts and the works that
we do with your companies to make sense of this whole thing -- so
that we maximize the impact of the taxpayer dollar and your private
investments as well.

	     We want to honor the companies and the communities, the
business leaders and the young people who do the very best jobs this
summer.  And, again, I want to say to all of you in private business
who have matched our effort, I thank you.  And to all of you who
haven't, and those across the country who may listen or learn about
this event today, I want to implore other private employers to
stretch a little bit to give other young people a chance to work this
summer.  I'm telling you, we cannot go through another 10 years when
we don't give these children anything to say yes to.  If we exhort
them to do right, we've got to be able to reward them.  (Applause.)

	     When the other speakers were talking, I was sitting up
here on the platform, listening and reveling.  And they got talking
about work, and I got to thinking about all the different things I've
done to make a living in my life.  When I was 13, I made a very
foolish short-term business investment:  I set up a comic book stand
and sold two trunks full of comic books.  Made more money than I had
ever had in my life.  But if I had saved those trunks, they'd be
worth $100,000 today.  (Laughter.)

	     That does not mean young people should not be
entrepreneurial.  It just means that you can't foresee a generation
ahead.  I have mowed yards and cleared land and built houses and
worked in body shops and the parts departments of a car dealership.
And I've done a lot of different things for a living.  Some
people say I got into politics to escape work.  (Laughter.)

	     I learned something from every job I ever had.  But I
grew up in a generation where I literally did not know a living soul
without regard to race or income who wanted to work who didn't have a
job.  I grew up in a generation when all you had to really say to
people is, get an education and you'll be all right.  You'll get a
job and you'll make more money next year than you did this year.  Now
I live in a generation full of people, most of whom don't make any
more money in real dollars than they did 10 years ago and they're
working longer hours and they're paying more for the basics of life.
And we are now wondering whether we can create the jobs that these
young people want.

	     Now, I want to close by reemphasizing these two things:
It doesn't matter what kind of economic policies this administration
pursues, or how much productivity increases there are in the private
sector, if young Americans don't get a good education, don't learn
how to work and can't be productive, those jobs will not be created
in this country.  Machines will do the work or the work will be done
off-shore by people who have the same skill levels and can work for a
third or a fourth or a fifth the wages.  So nothing we can do
economically will matter unless we build the skills and capacities of
America's work force.  And anybody that pretends otherwise is just
kidding.

	     On the other hand, we need to be honest.  Every wealthy
country in the world, including the United States, is having
difficulty creating jobs.  If I knew everything that needs to be done
I'd be glad to tell you and we   could just call off the whole
deliberations of Congress and everything else.  I don't have all the
answers.  But I know this:  Doing nothing is not the answer.
(Applause.)

	     And so the jobs program that I have presented to
Congress, with the summer jobs, with the money for the cities and the
counties, through the Community Development Program, with the
infrastructure money, is a small part of a big budget.  It is an
attempt to engage in an experiment to see whether or not, with the
economy recovering in terms of corporate profit, we can give a little
boost to it, give opportunities to young people, create a half a
million jobs and maybe get the engine going again.

	     Most of the jobs in this program are going to be jobs in
the private sector, not government jobs, even though it's government
money.  And the lion's share of the work in rebuilding the American
economy obviously will come from the private sector.  That's the kind
of system we have and it works pretty well.

	     But this is the challenge we have.  So I ask all of you
here today to support the summer jobs program, to ask your friends
and neighbors to support it, to go back home and ask your employers
to make a little extra effort; to do what you can to help me pass the
funds to create the 700,000 jobs that the United States government
should create this summer, so that together we can have this
partnership.  Because more than anything else, we have to give a
future -- a future that our young people can believe in.

	     We need to send them a message that here in America if
you study hard and work hard, if you obey the law and contribute
something to your community, you will be rewarded by your country.
You can build a future from you own dreams.

	     That has always been the promise of America.  Together
that's what this summer of challenge needs to be:  a reaffirmation of
the promise of America for so many young people to whom that promise
has been an illusion.  We can make it a reality.

	     Thank you very much.  (Applause.)


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# ## # Gay men constitute at least 20% of all child molestations.  Whether
# ## # this is because gay molesters are unusually common, or have unusually
# ## # high numbers of victims, sort of misses the point, doesn't it?  It
# ## # means that whichever is the case, homosexual men are remarkably
# ## # hazardous to children.
# #
# #
# #You are incorrect.  The most recent survey data I can find shows that
# #26% of molestation is exclusively homosexuals, 4% is bisexual (victims
# #are both male and female), and the remainder is exclusively heterosexual.

#     So what you are saying is that 74% of the child molestations are
#   committed by heterosexuals. I cannot see the correlation you cite

Bisexuals are heterosexuals?  Since when?

#   which concludes that by being homosexual, you will molest children or that
#   by being homosexual you will have the propensity for molesting children.

I haven't said that "homosexual = child molester," simply that is more
likely.

#   If 26% of the molestations are by homosexuals, why are you so concerned
#   about creating a relation between the two? If you had evidence that
#   95% of the molestations are committed by homosexuals you might find a
#   relationship. Ok, where is the realtionship you make?

The one that is shown when NAMBLA marches in gay parades.

#     Also, what is the reason people molest? From Human Sexuality and a
#   psych class or too I have taken the overwhelming voice says that people
#   commit these acts as power trips and to feel in control. This has nothing
#   to do with sexual orientation.

You mean that S&M, because it's a power trip, has nothing to do with
sexual orientation?

#   mortal@netcom.com


  I was wondering if anyone can shed any light on just how it is that these
electronic odometers remember the total elapsed mileage?  What kind of
memory is stable/reliable enough, non-volatile enough and independent enough
(of outside battery power) to last say, 10 years or more, in the life of a
vehicle?  I'm amazed that anything like this could be expected to work for
this length of time (especially in light of all the gizmos I work with that
are doing good to work for 2 months without breaking down somehow).

Side question:  how about the legal ramifications of selling a used car with
a replaced odometer that starts over at 0 miles, after say 100/200/300K
actual miles.  Looks like fraud would be fairly easy - for the price of a
new odometer, you can say it has however many miles you want to tell the
buyer it has.

Thanks for any insight.


Turkish president Turgur Ozal has passed away today after a heart  attack in Ankara at 11:00 am GMT .
Mr. Ozal was 66 years old.


Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part04
Last-modified: 1993/4/15

FAQ for sci.crypt, part 4: Mathematical Cryptology

This is the fourth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are
mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest.
We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask.
Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part.

The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu
as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx].  The Cryptography
FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers
every 21 days.

Contents:

* In mathematical terms, what is a private-key cryptosystem?
* What is an attack?
* What's the advantage of formulating all this mathematically?
* Why is the one-time pad secure?
* What's a ciphertext-only attack?
* What's a known-plaintext attack?
* What's a chosen-plaintext attack?
* In mathematical terms, what can you say about brute-force attacks?
* What's a key-guessing attack? What's entropy?

* In mathematical terms, what is a private-key cryptosystem?

  A private-key cryptosystem consists of an encryption system E and a
  decryption system D. The encryption system E is a collection of
  functions E_K, indexed by ``keys'' K, mapping some set of
  ``plaintexts'' P to some set of ``ciphertexts'' C. Similarly the
  decryption system D is a collection of functions D_K such that
  D_K(E_K(P)) = P for every plaintext P.  That is, succesful decryption
  of ciphertext into plaintext is accomplished using the same key
  (index) as was used for the corresponding encryption of plaintext
  into ciphertext.  Such systems, wherein the same key value is used to
  encrypt and decrypt, are also known as ``symmetric'' cryptoystems.

* What is an attack?

  In intuitive terms a (passive) attack on a cryptosystem is any method
  of starting with some information about plaintexts and their
  corresponding ciphertexts under some (unknown) key, and figuring out
  more information about the plaintexts. It's possible to state
  mathematically what this means. Here we go.

  Fix functions F, G, and H of n variables. Fix an encryption system E,
  and fix a distribution of plaintexts and keys.

  An attack on E using G assuming F giving H with probability p is an
  algorithm A with a pair f, g of inputs and one output h, such that
  there is probability p of computing h = H(P_1,...,P_n), if we have
  f = F(P_1,...,P_n) and g = G(E_K(P_1),...,E_K(P_n)). Note that this
  probability depends on the distribution of the vector (K,P_1,...,P_n).

  The attack is trivial (or ``pointless'') if there is probability at
  least p of computing h = H(P_1,...,P_n) if f = F(P_1,...,P_n) and
  g = G(C_1,...,C_n). Here C_1,...,C_n range uniformly over the possible
  ciphertexts, and have no particular relation to P_1,...,P_n. In other
  words, an attack is trivial if it doesn't actually use the encryptions
  E_K(P_1),...,E_K(P_n).

  An attack is called ``one-ciphertext'' if n = 1, ``two-ciphertext'' if
  n = 2, and so on.

* What's the advantage of formulating all this mathematically?

  In basic cryptology you can never prove that a cryptosystem is secure.
  Read part 3: we keep saying ``a strong cryptosystem must have this
  property, but having this property is no guarantee that a cryptosystem
  is strong!''

  In contrast, the purpose of mathematical cryptology is to precisely
  formulate and, if possible, prove the statement that a cryptosystem is
  strong. We say, for example, that a cryptosystem is secure against
  all (passive) attacks if any nontrivial attack against the system (as
  defined above) is too slow to be practical. If we can prove this
  statement then we have confidence that our cryptosystem will resist
  any (passive) cryptanalytic technique. If we can reduce this statement
  to some well-known unsolved problem then we still have confidence that
  the cryptosystem isn't easy to break.

  Other parts of cryptology are also amenable to mathematical
  definition. Again the point is to explicitly identify what assumptions
  we're making and prove that they produce the desired results. We can
  figure out what it means for a particular cryptosystem to be used
  properly: it just means that the assumptions are valid.

  The same methodology is useful for cryptanalysis too. The cryptanalyst
  can take advantage of incorrect assumptions. Often he can try to
  construct a proof of security for a system, see where the proof fails,
  and use these failures as the starting points for his analysis.

* Why is the one-time pad secure?

  By definition, the one-time pad is a cryptosystem where the
  plaintexts, ciphertexts, and keys are all strings (say byte strings)
  of some length m, and E_K(P) is just the sum (let's say the exclusive
  or) of K and P.

  It is easy to prove mathematically that there are _no_ nontrivial
  single-ciphertext attacks on the one-time pad, assuming a uniform
  distribution of keys. Note that we don't have to assume a uniform
  distribution of plaintexts. (Here's the proof: Let A be an attack,
  i.e., an algorithm taking two inputs f, g and producing one output h,
  with some probability p that h = H(P) whenever f = F(P) and
  g = G(E_K(P)) (i.e., g = G(K + P)). Then, because the distribution of
  K is uniform and independent of P, the distribution of K + P must also
  be uniform and independent of P. But also the distribution of C is
  uniform and independent of P. Hence there is probability exactly p
  that h = H(P) whenever f = F(P) and g = G(C), over all P and C. Thus
  a fortiori A is trivial.)

  On the other hand the one-time pad is _not_ secure if a key K is used
  for more than one plaintext: i.e., there are nontrivial
  multiple-ciphertext attacks. So to be properly used a key K must be
  thrown away after one encryption. The key is also called a ``pad'';
  this explains the name ``one-time pad.''

* What's a ciphertext-only attack?

  In the notation above, a ciphertext-only attack is one where F is
  constant. Given only some information G(E_K(P_1),...,E_K(P_n)) about
  n ciphertexts, the attack has to have some chance of producing some
  information H(P_1,...,P_n) about the plaintexts. The attack is trivial
  if it has just as good a chance of producing H(P_1,...,P_n) when given
  G(C_1,...,C_n) for random C_1,...,C_n.

  For example, say G(C) = C, and say H(P) is the first bit of P. We can
  easily write down an attack---the ``guessing attack,'' which simply
  guesses that H(P) is 1. This attack is trivial because it doesn't use
  the ciphertext: it has a fifty-fifty chance of guessing correctly no
  matter what. On the other hand there is an attack on RSA which
  produces one bit of information about P, with 100% success, using C.
  If it is fed a random C then the success rate drops to 50%. So this is
  a nontrivial attack.

* What's a known-plaintext attack?

  The classic known-plaintext attack has F(P_1,P_2) = P_1,
  G(C_1,C_2) = (C_1,C_2), and H(P_1,P_2) depending only on P_2.
  In other words, given two ciphertexts C_1 and C_2 and one decryption
  P_1, the known-plaintext attack should produce information about the
  other decryption P_2.

  Note that known-plaintext attacks are often defined in the literature
  as producing information about the key, but this is pointless: the
  cryptanalyst generally cares about the key only insofar as it lets him
  decrypt further messages.

* What's a chosen-plaintext attack?

  A chosen-plaintext attack is the first of an increasingly impractical
  series of _active_ attacks on a cryptosystem: attacks where the
  cryptanalyst feeds data to the encryptor. These attacks don't fit into
  our model of passive attacks explained above. Anyway, a
  chosen-plaintext attack lets the cryptanalyst choose a plaintext and
  look at the corresponding ciphertext, then repeat until he has figured
  out how to decrypt any message. More absurd examples of this sort of
  attack are the ``chosen-key attack'' and ``chosen-system attack.''

  A much more important form of active attack is a message corruption
  attack, where the attacker tries to change the ciphertext in such a
  way as to make a useful change in the plaintext.

  There are many easy ways to throw kinks into all of these attacks:
  for instance, automatically encrypting any plaintext P as
  T,E_K(h(T+R+P),R,P), where T is a time-key (sequence number) chosen anew
  for each message, R is a random number, and h is a one-way hash
  function. Here comma means concatenation and plus means exclusive-or.

* In mathematical terms, what can you say about brute-force attacks?

  Consider the following known-plaintext attack. We are given some
  plaintexts P_1,...,P_{n-1} and ciphertexts C_1,...,C_{n-1}. We're
  also given a ciphertext C_n. We run through every key K. When we find
  K such that E_K(P_i) = C_i for every i < n, we print D_K(C_n).

  If n is big enough that only one key works, this attack will succeed
  on valid inputs all the time, while it will produce correct results
  only once in a blue moon for random inputs. Thus this is a nontrivial
  attack. Its only problem is that it is very slow if there are many
  possible keys.

* What's a key-guessing attack? What's entropy?

  Say somebody is using the one-time pad---but isn't choosing keys
  randomly and uniformly from all m-bit messages, as he was supposed to
  for our security proof. In fact say he's known to prefer keys which
  are English words. Then a cryptanalyst can run through all English
  words as possible keys. This attack will often succeed, and it's much
  faster than a brute-force search of the entire keyspace.


: From: OPDBS@vm.cc.latech.edu
: Subject: Taurus/Sable rotor recall

:        My '92 Taurus GL with only 26k on the clock also has rotor warp.
:    Apparently they HAVEN'T fixed the problem yet.  But try convincing the Ford
:    service person to fix it for free...Right!!!

:    Tony

Gads, I have heard so many horror stories with Taurus and Sable cars!  I thought
these were premium American automobiles.  The way they sell, you'd think so.
Is Ford really no better than in the late '70s when it was turning out tin
cans like the Granada and the Fairmount?  Which would you get, a Taurus or
a Camry or Accord?


...

Mac sound hardware is diverse; some macs play in stereo and
mix the output (the SE/30 for instance) while others play in
stereo but ONLY has the left channel for the speaker, while
some are "truly" mono (like the LC)

Developers know that stuff played in the left channel is
guaranteed to be heard, while the right channel isn't. Some
send data to both, some only send data to the left channel
(the first is preferrable, of course)

Cheers,

					/ h+


Hi,

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-- This is a good buy for those who don't need all the utils in DOS 6.0

Accolade            Hardball II         5.25"DD   $10
--  Good arcade baseball game, graphics/sound are pretty good, has the
    ability to make schedules and edit player stats

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--  Good fighter simulation, various missions and levels of play

 Sierra                 Thexder FireHawk            3.5" & 5.25"  $5
--  Arcade shoot 'em up type game, nice music and sound effects

Virgen                  Scrabble                    3.5"          $5
--  computer version of the popular board game

I'm willing to negotiate on the prices, prices do not include shipping.
Shipping costs will be split 50/50.  Drop me a line! :)


But why do you characterize this as a "flight of fancy" or a "fantasy"?
While I am unfamiliar with the scientific context here, it appears obvious
that his speculation (for lack of a better or more neutral word) was
at least in significant part a consequence of his knowledge of and acceptance
of current theory coupled with his observations.  It would appear that
something quite rational was going on as he attempted to fit his observation
into that theory (or to tailor the theory to cover the observation).  This
does not seem like an example of what most would normally call a flight of
fancy or a fantasy.

Well, I think someone else in this thread was the first to use the word (also,
"extra-scientific", etc.).  Nor am I prepared to give a general account of
rationality.  In terms of examples, there is some danger of beginning to quibble
over what a "surprising" experiment is, what counts as "surprising", etc.
The same may be said about "logical grounds".  My point is that quite frequently
(perhaps even most frequently) the roots of a new theory can be traced to
previously existing theories (or even to previously rejected hypotheses of
some other theory or domain).  I would offer some rather well known examples
such as Toricelli's Puy de Dome experiment done for the sake of his "sea of air"
hypothesis.  Was this theory (and the resulting experimental test) "surprising"?
Well, given the *prior* explanations of the phenomena involved it certainly must
be counted as so.  Was the theory constructed (and the experiment designed)
out of "perfectly rational grounds"?  Well, there was a pretty successful and
well know theory of fluids.  The analogy to fluids by Toricelli is explicit.
The novelty was in thinking of air as a fluid (but this was *quite* a novelty
at the time).  Was the theory interesting?  Yes.  Was it "new"?  Well, one
could argue that it was merely the extension of an existing theory to a new
domain, but I think this begs certain questions.  We can debate that if you
like.


Windows Sources Magazine reviewed a number of 17" monitors recently
and they too said that the Nanao T560i was the best monitor to get if
you had the money. But they also said that the Mitsubishi Diamond Pro
17 is the next best choice and that it has superb picture quality.
This monitor can be had for around $1070.

Has anyone actually seen any of these? I am also thinking of buying a
17" monitor and was going to consider the Mitsubishi. If I remember
correctly, I think its viewing area is 16" measured diagonally.

Thanks.


Worse?  Maybe not, but it is definately a violation of the
rules the US govt. supposedly follows.  Maybe the others
should be changed to?  But I'm not personally as concerned
about the anthem since I don't come across it in daily
nearly unavoidable routines.

I don't despise the people...just their opinions.  I meant
when chatting with the ones who refuse to listen to any idea
other than their own...then it just becomes an exercise for
amusement.


Were they palying football or baseball in Detroit on Saturday?  From looking
at the school, some people may think it was football.  Between two games this
week, the Tigers scored 40 runs!!!!  The offense can carry them, I hope the
pitching will hold out.  I was at Camden Yards yesterday, everytime I looked
up the score was getting higher.  What a great site it was to see the Tigers
kicking butt while enjoying a game at Camden Yards.  GO TIGERS AND GO TONY
PHILLIPS!!!!!!!!


I am told that Planned Parenthood/SIECUS-style "values-free" methods, that
teach contraceptive technology and advise kids how to make "choices",
actually _increase_ pregnancy rates. I posted a long article on this a while
back and will be happy to email a copy to any who are interested.  The
article included sources to contact for information on research verifying
these statements, and an outstanding source for info on acquiring
abstinence-related curricula even in single-copy quantities for home use.

The same research produced the results that abstinence-related curricula
were found to _decrease_ pregnancy rates in teens.  I assume that it is
reasonable to assume that the AIDS rate will fluctuate with the pregnancy
rate.

The difference is not in "contraceptive technology" but in the values taught
to the children.  The PP/SIECUS curricula taught the kids that they have
legitimate choices, while the abstinence related curricula taught them that
they did _not_ have _legitimate_ choices other than abstinence.  It is the
values system that is the strongest determinent of the behavior behavior of
these kids.

Despite the better track record of abstinence-related curricula, they are
suppressed in favor of curricula that produce an effect contrary to that
desired.

Question for further discussion (as they say in the textbooks):  Why don't
we teach "safe drug use" to kids, instead of drug abstinence?  Isn't it
because we know that a class in "how to use drugs safely if you _choose_ to
use drugs" would increase drug use?  Why isn't "drug abstinence education"
barred from schools because it teaches "religion"?  Aren't we abandoning
those children who will use drugs anyway, and need instruction in their safe
use?


[FARID] In support of the preservation of the territorial integrity of
[FARID] Azerbaijan and its independence from Russian rule, the Iranians which
[FARID] includes millions of Azerbaijanis will have Armenia retreat from the
[FARID] territory of Azerbaijan.

Oh, they will? This should prove quite interesting!

[FARID] To count on Iranian help to supposedly counter Turkish influence will
[FARID] be a fatal error on the part of Armenia as long as Armenia in
[FARID] violation of international law has Azerbaijani lands in occupation.

Armenia is not counting on Iranian help. As far as violations of international
laws, which international law gives Azerbaijan the right to attack and
depopulate the Armenians in Karabakh?

[FARID] If Armenian aggression continues in the territory of Azerbaijan, not
[FARID] only there won't be any aid from Iran to Armenia but also steps will
[FARID] be taken to have Armenian army back in Armenia.

And who do you speak for? Rafsanjani?

[FARID] The Azerbaijanis of Iran will be the guarantors of this policy. As for
[FARID] scaring Iranians or Turks from the Russian power, experts on present
[FARID] and future military potentials of these people would not put much
[FARID] stock on the Russain power as the sole power in the region for long!!!

Well, Farid, your supposed experts are not expert! The Russians have had
non-stop influence in the Caucasus since the Treaty of Turkmanchay in 1828.
Hmm... that makes it 1993-1828 = 165 years!

Oh, I see the Azeris from Iran are going to force out the Armenians from
Karabakh! That will be a real good trick!

[FARID] Iran is not alian to developing the capability to produce the A bomb
[FARID] and a reliable delivery system (refer to recent news releases
[FARID] regarding the potential of Iran).

So the Azeris from Iran are going to force the Armenians from Karabakh by
forcing the Iranian government to drop an atomic bomb on these Armenians.

[FARID] The moral of the story is that, you don't go invading your neighbor's
[FARID] home (Azerbaijan) and flash Russia's guns when questioned about it.

Oh, but it's just fine if you drop an atomic bomb on your neighbor! You are
a damn fool, Farid!

[FARID] (Marshal Shapashnikov may have to eat his words regarding Turkey in a
[FARID] few short years!).

So you are going to drop an atomic bomb on Russia as well.

[FARID] Peaceful resolution of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict is the only
[FARID] way to go. Armenia may soon find the fruits of Aggression very bitter
[FARID] indeed.

And the Armenians will take your "peaceful" dropping of an atomic bomb as
an example of Iranian Azeri benevolence! You sir are a poor example of an
Iranian Azeri!

Ha! And to think I had a nice two day stay in Tabriz back in 1978!


I've never seen a speedometer-reading model. Are you sure? Who makes
them? Consider the difficulty of reading the speedo on various makes
of cars in use... I've seen single beam moving-mode and split beam
moving-mode.

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New in this version:  challenge #5, plus an addendum summarizing
Charley's responses to-date..
-----------------------------------------

*** This is a posting made periodically in an attempt to encourage
*** Charley Wingate to address direct challenges to his evidently
*** specious claims.  I'll continue to re-post periodically until
*** he answers them, publicly indicates that he won't answer them,
*** stops posting to alt.atheism, the alt.atheism community tells
*** me to stop, or I get totally bored.  I apologize for the
*** somewhat juvenile nature of this approach, but I'm at a loss
*** to figure out another way to crack his intransigence and
*** seeming intellectual dishonesty.
***
*** This is re-post #3.

Charley,

I can't help but notice that you have still failed to provide answers
to substantive questions that have been raised in response to your
previous posts.  I submit that you don't answer them because you
cannot answer them without running afoul of your own logic, and I once
again challenge you to prove me wrong.  To make the task as easy for
you as possible, I'll present concise re-statements of some of the
questions that you have failed to answer, in the hope that you may
address them one at a time for all to see.

Should you fail to answer again within a reasonable time period, I
will re-post this article, with suitable additions and deletions, at
such time that I notice a post by you on another topic.  I will repeat
this procedure until you either address the outstanding challenges or
you cease to post to this newsgroup.

I would like to apologize in advance if you have answered any of these
questions previously and your answer missed my notice.  If you can be
kind enough to re-post or e-mail such articles, I will be only too
pleased to publicly rescind the challenge in question, and remove it
from this list.

Now, to the questions...

1. After claiming that all atheists fit into neat psychological
patterns that you proposed, then semi-retracting that claim by stating
that you weren't referring to *all* atheists, I asked you to name some
atheists who you feel don't fit your patterns, to show that you indeed
were not referring to all atheists that you are aware of.  You failed
to do so.  Please do so now.

Question: Can you name any a.a posters who do not fit into your
stereotype?

Here is the context for the question:

2. You have taken umbrage to statements to the effect that "senses and
reason are all we have to go by", and when pressed, you have implied
that we have an alternative called revelation.  I have repeatedly
asked you to explain what revelation is and how one can both
experience and interpret revelation without doing so via our senses
and reason.  You failed to do so.  Please do so now.

Question: Can you explain what is revelation and how one can
experience and interpret it without using senses and inherent
reasoning?

Here is the context for the question:

then later...

then later...

then later...

3.  You have stated that all claims to dispassionate analysis made by
a.a posters are unverifiable and fantastical.  I asked you to identify
one such claim that I have made.  You have failed to do so.  Please do
so now.

Question: Have I made any claims at all that are unverifiable and
fantastical?  If so, please repeat them.

Here is the context for the question:

then later...

4.  First you dismissed claims by atheists that they became atheists as
a result of reason, then later you stated that if one accepted the
"axioms" of reason that one couldn't help but become atheist.  I asked
you to explain the contradiction.  Your only response was a statement
that the question was incoherent, an opinion not shared by others that
I have asked, be they atheist or theist.  You have failed to answer
the question.  Please do so now.

Question: Do you retract your claim that a.a posters have not become
atheists as a result of reason, despite their testimony to that
effect?  If you don't retract that claim, do you retract the
subsequent claim that acceptance of the axioms of reason inevitably
result in atheism?

Here is the context for the question:

[First quote]
[Second quote]

5.  First, you claimed that you would (probably) not answer these
Challenges because they contained too much in the way of "included
text" from previous posts.  Later, you implied that you wouldn't
respond because I was putting words in your mouth.  Please clarify
this seeming contradiction.

Question:  Do you prefer to respond to Challenges that include context
from your own posts, or that I paraphrase your positions in order to
avoid "included text"?

Here is the context for the question:

then later...

As usual, your responses are awaited with anticipation.

--Dave Wood

p.s., For the record, below is a compilation of Charley's responses to
these challenges to date.

3/18/93

3/31/93 (#1)

3/31/93 (#2)


 $17-20/piece.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   I assume you are talking about 1meg X 9 SIMMs, or 1Meg X 9 SIPPs with
speed of 70ns? I would take 10K pieces per week if you have that price.
(FOB US port).

   I am not waiting for an offer with that price, I could only dream.

tiger


Not necessarily true; a short in one, if near the maximum series
voltage drop, will overvoltage the other one and short it too, more


NJ> : >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been
traded,
NJ> : >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any
other
NJ> : >team captain trivia would be appreciated.

Mike Foligno was captain of the Buffalo Sabres when he was traded to
Toronto.


And I maintain:

Some people do not want to enter into the light and the knowledge that
they alone are their own masters, because they fear it; they are too
afraid of having to face the world on their own terms.  And so, by
their own choice, they will remain in darkness, sort of like bugs
under a rock.  However, some people, but not many, will not like the
darkness.  Sometimes it gets too cold and too dark to be comfortable.
These people will crawl out from under the rock, and, although blinded
at first, will get accustomed to the light and enjoy its warmth.  And,
after a while, now that they can see things for what they really are,
they will also see the heights which they can reach, and the places
they can go, and they will learn to choose their own paths through the
world, and they will learn from their mistakes and revel in their
successes.

They will see that there is much much more to the world than just the
narrow experiences under the rock.  They will discover that life under
a rock was incredibly yucky, and that life on their own terms is great
-- so great that they will want to tell everyone else about it.

Do you see my point?  I think you're the one under the rock, and I'm
getting a great tan out here in the sunlight.  My life has improved
immesurably since I abandoned theism -- come and join me!  It will be
a difficult trip at first, until you build up your muscles for the
long hike, but it's well worth it!

Look, you just practically equated Odin and Zeus?  They're as much
different as your god is from them...

Don't you see?  I'm not going to accept ANYTHING that I can't witness
with my own eyes or experience with my own senses, especially not
something as mega-powerful as what you're trying to get me to accept.
Surely if you believe in it this strongly, you must have a good
*reason* to, don't you?

When did I say that?  I say that I would rather CEASE EXISTING instead
of being subject to the whims of a deity, but that if the deity
decided to toss me into the fiery pits because of who I am, then so be it.

Nope -- most people are Christian.  Most people are fond of feeling
that they are imperfect, of believing that the world is an undesirable
place, of reciting magical mystical prayers to make the world nice and
holy again, of doing just as their priests tell them, like good little
sheep.  You enjoy darkness, and you're proud of it.

You may know the Bible well -- but have you read any of the Koran?  Or
Zen writings?  Or Hare Krishna literature?  If you haven't, then how
can you say you have an open mind?

Nope.  You make decisions, enjoy your successes, and accept your
failures; then you die.  If you are content with the life you've led
as you reflect back on it in your final moments, then you've led a
good life.

Please do.

I'm sorry, I don't feel that sacrificing Jesus was something any god
I'd worship would do, unless the sacrifice was only temporary, in
which case it's not really all that important.

Forget the Bible for a minute.  Forget quoting verses, forget about
who said what about this or that.  *Show me.*  Picture just you and me
and a wide open hilltop, and convince me that you're right.


But, the goal need not be a subjective one.  For instance, the goal of
natural morality is the propogation of a species, perhaps.  It wasn't
really until the more intelligent animals came along that some revisions
to this were necessary.  Intelligent animals have different needs than
the others, and hence a morality suited to them must be a bit more
complicated than "the law of the jungle."  I don't think that
self-actualization is so subjective as you might think.  And, by
objectivity, I am assuming that the ideals of any such system could be
carried out completely.


Woops!  This is rec.sport.hockey! Not rec.sport.golf!  Hope you check the
newsgroup header next time before posting!

Steve


uhhhh there are only three l's.


I really want to buy a powerbook and would like one that can run
Mathematica. So I need a coprocessor but I can not afford a PB180.
(who can?)  Is it possible to put a MCP in a PB160? The guy at the
bookstore says no but I didn't think he had too much of a clue.

Please respond by e-mail:  ross@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu


Gee, I guess they should also have such a repository for house keys,
car keys, safety deposit keys, ... :-(

rdl


TJ
This problem is most likely the same that all cx users are experiencing....
Thanks to one very adventurous USENET reader (sorry I can't remember the
guy's name!  Somebody please post it....he deserves the credit for saving
us all $$$$$) it is easily fixed, if it is the same problem......


All your article reflects is your abundant ignorance. The people of
Turkiye know quite well that Greece and the Greek Cypriots will never
abandon the idea of hellenizing Cyprus and will remain eternally
hopeful of uniting it with Greece, someday, whatever the cost to the
parties involved. The history speaks for itself. Greece was the sole
perpetrator of invasion on that island when it sent its troops on July
15, 1974 in an attempt to topple the legitimate government of Archibishop
Makarios.

Following the Greek Cypriot attempt to annex the island to Greece with
the aid of the Greek army, Turkiye intervened by using her legal right
given by two international agreements. Turkiye did it for the frequently
and conveniently forgotten people of the island, Turkish Cypriots. For
those Turkish Cypriots whose grandparents have been living on the island
since 1571.

The release of Nikos Sampson, a member of EOKA [National Organization
of Cypriot Fighters] and a convicted terrorist, shows that the
'enosis' mentality continues to survive in Greece. One should not
forget that Sampson dedicated his life to annihilating the Turks
in Cyprus, committed murder to achieve this goal, and tried to
destroy the island's independence by annexing it to Greece. Of
course, the Greek governments will have to bear the consequences
for this irresponsible conduct.

            THE MUSEUM OF BARBARISM

2 Irfan Bey Street, Kumsal Area, Nicosia, Cyprus

It is the  house of Dr. Nihat  Ilhan, a major who  was serving at
the Cyprus  Turkish Army Contingent. During  the attacks launched
against the Turks by the Greeks, on 20th December 1963, Dr. Nihat
Ilhan's  wife and  three  children were  ruthlessly and  brutally
killed in the  bathroom, where they had tried to  hide, by savage
Greeks. Dr.  Nihat Ilhan happened to  be on duty that  night, the
24th   December  1963.   Pictures  reflecting   Greek  atrocities
committed during and after 1963 are exhibited in this house which
has been converted into a museum.

AN EYE-WITNESS ACCOUNT  OF HOW A TURKISH FAMILY  WAS BUTCHERED BY
GREEK TERRORISTS

The date  is the 24th of  December, 1963... The onslaught  of the
Greeks against the Turks, which  started three days ago, has been
going on  with all its  ferocity; and defenseless women,  old men
and children are being brutally  killed by Greeks. And now Kumsal
Area of Nicosia witnesses the  worst example of the Greeks savage
bloodshed...

The wife  and the  three infant  children of  Dr. Nihat  Ilhan, a
major on duty at the camp  of the Cyprus Turkish Army Contingent,
are  mercilessly and  dastardly  shot dead  while  hiding in  the
bathroom of their house, by  maddened Greeks who broke into their
home. A glaring example of Greek barbarism.

Let us  now listen to the  relating of the said  incident told by
Mr. Hasan  Yusuf Gudum, an  eye witness, who himself  was wounded
during the same terrible event.

"On the night of the 24th  of December, 1963 my wife Feride Hasan
and I were paying a visit to the family of Major Dr. Nihat Ilhan.
Our neighbours  Mrs. Ayshe of  Mora, her daughter Ishin  and Mrs.
Ayshe's  sister Novber  were also  with us.  We were  all sitting
having supper.  All of  a sudden bullets  from the  Pedieos River
direction started to riddle the  house, sounding like heavy rain.
Thinking  that   the  dining-room  where  we   were  sitting  was
dangerous, we  ran to  the bathroom and  toilet which  we thought
would be  safer. Altogether we were  nine persons. We all  hid in
the bathroom  except my wife  who took  refuge in the  toilet. We
waited in fear. Mrs. Ilhan the wife of Major Doctor, was standing
in the bath with her three children Murat, Kutsi and Hakan in her
arms. Suddenly with  a great noise we heard the  front door open.
Greeks had  come in and were  combing, every corner of  the house
with  their machine  gun bullets.  During these  moments I  heard
voices saying, in  Greek, "You want Taksim eh!"  and then bullets
started flying in the bathroom. Mrs. Ilhan and her three children
fell into  the bath. They were  shot. At this moment  the Greeks,
who broke  into the bathroom, emptied  their guns on us  again. I
heard one of the Major's children moan, then I fainted.

When I came  to myself 2 or  3 hours later, I saw  Mrs. Ilhan and
her three children lying dead in the  bath. I and the rest of the
neighbours in the  bathroom were all seriously  wounded. But what
had happened to my wife? Then I remembered and immediately ran to
the  toilet, where,  in  the doorway,  I saw  her  body. She  was
brutally murdered.

In the  street admist the  sound of  shots I heard  voices crying
"Help, help. Is  there no one to save us?"  I became terrified. I
thought that  if the Greeks came  again and found that  I was not
dead they would kill  me. So I ran to the  bedroom and hid myself
under the double-bed.

An our  passed by. In the  distance I could still  hear shots. My
mouth was dry,  so I came out  from under the bed  and drank some
water. Then I put  some sweets in my pocket and  went back to the
bathroom, which was exactly as I had left in an hour ago. There I
offered sweets  to Mrs. Ayshe,  her daughter and Mrs.  Novber who
were all wounded.

We  waited in  the bathroom  until 5  o'clock in  the morning.  I
thought morning would never come.  We were all wounded and needed
to be taken  to hospital. Finally, as we could  walk, Mrs. Novber
and I, went  out into the street hoping to  find help, and walked
as far as Koshklu Chiftlik.

There, we met  some people who took us to  hospital where we were
operated on. When  I regained my consciousness I  said that there
were more  wounded in the  house and  they went and  brought Mrs.
Ayshe and her daughter.

After staying three  days in the hospital I was  sent by plane to
Ankara  for  further treatment.  There  I  have had  four  months
treatment but still I cannot use  my arm. On my return to Cyprus,
Greeks arrested me at the Airport.

All  I have  related to  you above  I told  the Greeks  during my
detention. They then released me."

ON FOOT INTO CYPRUS'S DEVASTATED TURKISH QUARTER

We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish quarter of Nicosia in
which 200  to 300 people have  been slaughtered in the  last five
days.

We  were the  first  Western  reporters there,  and  we saw  some
terrible sights.

In the Kumsal quarter at No. 2, Irfan Bey Sokagi, we made our way
into  a house  whose floors  were  covered with  broken glass.  A
child's bicycle lay in a corner.

In the  bathroom, looking  like a group  of waxworks,  were three
children piled on top of their murdered mother.

In a room next to it we glimpsed  the body of a woman shot in the
head.

This, we  were told, was the  home of a Turkish  Army major whose
family had been killed by the mob in the first violence.

Today was five days later, and still they lay there.

Rene MacCOLL and Daniel McGEACHIE, (From the "DAILY EXPRESS")

"...I saw in  a bathroom the bodies of a  mother and three infant
children murdered because their father was a Turkish Officer..."

Max CLOS, LE FIGARO 25-26 January, 1964

 Peter Moorhead reporting from the village of Skyloura, Cyprus.
 Date : 1 January, 1964.

 IL GIARNO (Italy)

 THEY ARE TURK-HUNTING, THEY WANT TO EXTERMINATE THEM.

 Discussions start in London; in Cyprus terror continues. Right now we
 are witnessing the exodus of Turks from the villages. Thousands of people
 abandoning homes, land, herds; Greek Cypriot terrorism is relentless. This
 time, the rhetoric of the Hellenes and the bust of Plato do not suffice to
 cover up barbaric and ferocious behaviors.

 Article by Giorgo Bocca, Correspondent of Il Giorno
 Date: 14 January 1964

 DAILY HERALD (London)

 AN APPALLING SIGHT

And when I came across the Turkish homes they were an appalling sight.
Apart from the walls, they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm bomb
attack could have created more devastation. I counted 40 blackened brick
and concrete shells that had once been homes. Each house had been deliberately
fired by petrol. Under red tile roofs which had caved in, I found a twisted
mass of bed springs, children's conts and cribs, and ankle deep grey
ashes of what had once been chairs, tables and wardrobes.

In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios, a mile away, I counted 16
wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot homes. From
this village more than 100 Turkish Cypriots had also vanished.In neither village
did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.

 DAILY TELEGRAPH (London)

 GRAVES OF 12 SHOT TURKISH CYPRIOTS FOUND IN CYPRUS VILLAGE

 Silent crowds gathered tonight outside the Red Crescent hospital in the
 Turkish Sector of Nicosia, as the bodies of 9 Turkish Cypriots found
 crudely buried outside the village of Ayios Vassilios, 13 miles away, were
 brought to the hospital under the escort of the Parachute Regiment. Three
 more bodies, including one of a woman, were discovered nearby but could
 not be removed. Turkish Cypriots guarded by paratroops are still trying to
 locate the bodies of 20 more believed to have been buried on the same site.

Serdar Argic


I'm starting an informal poll on goalie masks. I'd like to know
who's mask you think looks the best. I've always like Curtis Joseph's
of the Blues the best. Anyway, send your nominations to me, or post your
vote here on r.s.h. My e-mail adress is: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu

	Thanks for your time.


Well here it goes...my crazy predictions (which never come true, but hey..)

Adams
	Bos vs. Buf - Bos in 5 (cakewalk for the hot Bruins)
	Que vs. Mon - Que in 6 (best series of the first round)

Patrick
	Pit vs. NYI - Pit in 5 (NYI wins fourth game)
	Was vs. NJD - NJD in 7 (a grueling upset, possibly OT in game 7)

Norris
	Chi vs. StL - Chi in 5 (StL is no match for Keenan's Krew)
	Det vs. Tor - Tor in 6 (Clark steps it up in playoffs this year)

Smythe (who cares?)
	Van vs. Win - Win in 7 (so I'm caught up in Teemu-mania, sue me!)
	Cal vs. LAK - Cal in 5 (LA sucks!!!!!!!!! IMO)

Division finals
	Bos vs. Que - Bos in 7 (killer games, watch for Cam to shine)
	Pit vs. NJD - Pit in 6 (NJD go insane, kill all on ice, but Pit wins)
	Chi vs. Tor - Tor in 7 (Tor defense finally get it together)
	Cal vs. Win - Cal in 6 (Win too tired after 1st series)

Conference finals
	Pit vs. Bos - Bos in 6 (Pit too beat up by NJD to play (I hope))
	Cal vs. Tor - Tor in 6 (Vernon turns into a sieve)

Stanley Cup
	Bos vs. Tor - Tor in 7 (Two totally different teams, who knows? Dreams
				can come true, pig might one day evolve wings)

Feel free to laugh at my predictions, I always do!


You missed something.  I think it takes off vertically and is intended
to land the same way.

--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden


Paul-- for the same reason that many other colonies are founded. Why not?


I hope this is the correct newsgroup for this.

What is the scoop on Methanol and its future as an alternative fuel for
vehicles ?  How does it compare to ethanol ?

There was some news about health risks involved.  Anybody know about
that.  How does the US Clean Air act impact the use of Methanol by the
year 1995 ?

I think its Methyl Tertiary butyl ether which the future industries will
use as a substitute for conventional fuels.

There is company Methanex which produces 12% of the world's supply of
Methanol. Does anybody know about it ?

Please reply by e-mail as I do not read these newsgroups.

Thanks in advance.


Here is a press release from the Natural Resources Defense Council.

 New Data Show About 100 Major U.S. Water Supplies Vulnerable To
Milwaukee-Type Disease Outbreak
 To: National Desk, Environment Writer
 Contact: Erik Olson or Sarah Silver, 202-783-7800, both
          of the Natural Resources Defense Council

   WASHINGTON, April 14  -- Internal EPA data released
today by the Natural Resources Defense Council reveals that about
100 large water systems -- serving cities from Boston to San
Francisco -- do not filter to remove disease-carrying organisms
leaving those communities potentially vulnerable to a disease
outbreak similar to the one affecting Milwaukee.
   The EPA list is attached.
   "These internal EPA documents reveal that the safety of water
supplies in many American cities is threatened by inadequate
pollution controls or filtration," said Erik Olson, a senior
attorney with NRDC.  "Water contamination isn't just a problem in
Bangladesh, it's also a problem in Bozeman and Boston."
   "As of June 29, 1993, about 100 large surface water systems on
EPA's list probably will be breaking the law.  The 1986 Safe
Drinking Water Act requires all surface water systems to either
filter their water or fully protect the rivers or lakes they use
from pollution," Olson continued.  Some systems are moving
towards eventually implementing filtration systems but are
expected to miss the law's deadline.
   Olson pointed out that the threat of contamination is already
a reality in other cities.  A 1991 survey of 66 U.S. surface
water systems by water utility scientists found that 87 percent
of raw water samples contained the Milwaukee organism
cryptosporidium, and 81 percent contained a similar parasite
called giardia.
   Adding to the level of concern, a General Accounting Office
study released today by House Health and Environment Subcommittee
Chairman Henry Waxman indicates serious deficiencies in the
nation's system for conducting and following through on sanitary
surveys of water systems.
   "This new information raises a huge warning sign that millions
of Americans can no longer simply turn on their taps and be
assured that their water is safe to drink.  We must immediately
put into place programs to protect water sources from
contamination and where this is not assured, filtration equipment
must be installed to protect the public," Olson noted.  "The time
has come for many of the nation's water utilities to stop
dragging their feet and to aggressively protect their water from
contamination; consumers are prepared to pay the modest costs
needed to assure their water is safe to drink."
   NRDC is a national non-profit environmental advocacy organization.

   Systems EPA Indicates Require Filtration and Do Not Adequately
Protect Watersheds

 CONNECTICUT

 Bridgeport            Bridgeport Hydraulic Co.

 MASSACHUSETTS
 Boston                H2O Resource Author (MWRA)
 Medford               MWRA-Medford Water Dept
 Melrose               MWRA-Melrose Water Dept
 Hilton                MWRA-Hilton Water Dept
 Needham               MWRA-Needham Water Division
 Newtoncenter          MWRA-Newton Water Dept.
 Marblehead            MWRA-Marblehead Water Dept
 Quincy                MWRA-Quincy Water Dept
 Norwood               MWRA-Norwood Water Dept
 Framingham            MWRA-Framingham Water Div
 Cambridge             MWRA-Cambridge Water Dept
 Canton                MWRA-Canton Water Div-DPW
 Chelsea               MWRA-Chelsea Water Dept
 Everett               MWRA-Everett Water Dept
 Lexington             MWRA-201 Bedford (PUO WRKS)
 Lynn                  MWRA-Lynn Water & Sewer Co
 Malden                MWRA-Malden Water Division
 Revere                MWRA-Revere Water Dept
 Woburn                MWRA-Woburn Water Dept
 Swampscott            MWRA-Swampscott Water Dept
 Saugus                MWRA-Saugus Water Dept
 Somerville            MWRA-Somerville Water Dept
 Stoneman              MWRA-Stoneman Water Dept
 Brookline             MWRA-Brookline Water Dept
 Wakefield             MWRA-Same as Above
 Waltham               MWRA-Waltham Water Division
 Watertown             MWRA-Watertown Water Division
 Weston                MWRA-Weston Water Dept
 Dedham                MWRA-Dedham-Westwood District
 Winchester            MWRA-Winchester Water & Sewer
 Winthrop              MWRA-Winthrop Water Dept
 Boston                MWRA-Boston Water & Sewer Co
 S. Hadley             MWRA-South Hadley Fire Dist
 Arlington             MWRA-Arlington Water Dept
 Belmont               MWRA-Belmont Water Dept
 Clinton               MWRA-Clinton Water Dept
 Attleboro             Attleboro Water Dept
 Fitchburg             Fitchburg Water Dept
 Northampton           Northampton Water Dept
 North Adams           North Adams Water Dept
 Amherst               Amherst Water Division DPW
 Gardner               Gardner Water Dept
 Worcester             Worcester DPW, Water Oper
 Westboro              Westboro Water Dept
 Southbridge           Southbridge Water Supply Co
 Newburyport           Newburyport Water Dept
 Hingham               Hingham Water Co
 Brockton              Brockton Water Dept

 MAINE
 Rockland              Camden & Rockland Water Co
 Bath                  Bath Water District

 NEW HAMPSHIRE
 Keene                 City of Keene
 Salem                 Salem Water Dept

 VERMONT
 Barre City            Barre City Water System
 Rutland City          Rutland City Water Dept

 NEW YORK
 Glens Falls           Glens Falls City
 Yorktown Hts          Yorktown Water Storage & Dist
 Rochester             Rochester City
 Henrietta             Henrietta WD
 Rochester             MCWA Upland System
 Rochester             Greece Consolidated
 New York              NYC-Aquaduct Sys (Croton)
 Chappaqua             New Castle/Stanwood WD
 Beacon                Beacon City
 Mamaronek             Westchester Joint Water Works

 PENNSYLVANIA
 Bethlehem             Bethlehem Public Water Sys
 Johnstown             Greater Johnstown Water Auth
 Lock Haven            City of Lock Haven-Water Dept
 Shamokin              Roaring Creek Water Comp
 Harrisburg            Harrisburg City
 Hazleton              Hazleton City Water Dept
 Wind Gap              Blue Mt Consolidated
 Apollo                Westmoreland Auth
 Fayettville           Guilford Water Auth
 Humlock Creek         PG&W-Ceasetown Reservoir
 Springbrook           PG&W-Waters Reservoir
 Wilkes Barre          PG&W-Gardners Creek
 Wilkes Barre          PG&W-Hill Creek
 Wilkes Barre          PG&W-Plymouth Relief
 Altoona               Altoona City Auth
 Tamaqua               Tamaqua Municipal water
 Waynesboro            Waynesboro Borough Auth
 Pottsville            Schuykill Co Mun Auth

 VIRGINIA
 Covington             City of Covington
 Fishersville          South River Sa Dist-ACSA

 SOUTH CAROLINA
 Greenville            Greenville Water Sys

 MICHIGAN
 Sault Ste Marie       Sault Ste Marie
 Marquette             Marquette

 MONTANA
 Butte                 Butte Water Co
 Bozeman               Bozeman City

 CALIFORNIA
 San Francisco         City & County of San Fran

 NEVADA
 Reno                  Westpac

 IDAHO
 Twin Falls            Twin Falls City

 WASHINGTON
 Aberdeen              Aberdeen Water Dept
 Centralia             Centralia Water Dept

 -30-


Hi,
  See Roger Grywalski's response to :

Re: Help on network visualization

in comp.graphics.visualization.

Amongst other things, it does exactly this!


Hi all,
 I've been following this thread about jacob's ladder for a few weeks and I
happened to come across one of the best project books that I've seen in a
while.  The book "Gadgeteer's Goldmine" by Gordon McComb offers over 55
excellent low cost projects including: Jacob's Ladder, tesla coils, plasma
spheres, a Van de Graaff generator, robots, an IR scope, and several laser
projects.  The instructions come with complete part lists, warnings and
diagrams.  For those of you who are interested in building any of the above
listed projects, you should seriously consider getting this book.  The
paperback version is only $19.95 too.

For those who want more information:
Title: Gadgeteer's Goldmine!  55 Space-Age Projects
Auth:  Gordon McComb
Pub:   TAB Books
CW:    1990
ISBN:  0-8306-8360-7
	0-8306-3360-X (paperback)
 Price: $19.95 (paperback)

 -Scott


All I know is that the Megadrives worked perfectly on both my
Mac Plus and my Powerbook 140.  It was for this reason I assumed
the problem had something to do with the Quadra.  Even with the
Quadra, they mostly worked OK.  The problem occurred when I ejected
a cartridge from a drive: it would start popping up dialog boxes
saying "This cartridge must be formatted with Jasmine Driveware"
even though there was no cartridge in the drive.


<In article <31MAR199321091163@juliet.caltech.edu<, lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) writes...
<<Atheism (Greek 'a' not + 'theos' god)  Belief that there is no god.
<<Agnosticism (Greek 'a' not + ~ 'gnostein ?' know) Belief that it is
<<  not possible to determine if there is a god.

<No.  Agnosticism as you have here defined it is a positive belief--a
<belief that it is not possible to determine the existence of any gods.
<That's a belief I'm inclined to reject.  You have also defined atheism
<here as a positive belief--that there is no god.  A fairly large number
<of atheists on alt.atheism reject this definition, instead holding that
<atheism is simply the absence of belief in a god.  Michael Martin, in
<_Atheism: A Philosophical Justification_, distinguishes strong atheism

 My mistake. I will have to get a newer dictionary and read the
follow up line.


The reason for the existence of hell is justice.  Fear is only an effect
of the reality of hell.

--
boundary, the catechist


Forgot to mention that the above mentioned Quantum is a SCSI
drive.


Article 10886 of alt.radio.scanner:
Path: usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aj008
From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes)
Subject: Realistic PRO-2024 for sale-was $200,sell for $150 obo
Date: 20 Apr 1993 16:01:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Message-ID: <1r16oo$3du@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu

Hello.

I have a Realistic PRO-2024 scanner for sale.Here is a small desc
ription:

60 programible chanels
fully detailed backlighted digital display
headphone jack
antenna jack
removable telescoping antenna
auto search

coverage:
30-50mHz
118-174mHz
380-512mHz

It originally cost $200, but I will sell for $150.

Thank You.
--
       / /     Buchanan in `96!
      / /      Fear the goverment that fears your guns.
  \ \/ /       Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou
   \/ /        r freedoms.           aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu


Terms are being used in a loaded way here.

"Logical proof" is an extremely messy thing to apply to real
life. If you think otherwise, try to construct a proof that
yesterday happened. Obviously it did; anyone old enough to be
reading this was there for it and remembers that it happened.
But *proof*? A proof starts with axioms and goes somewhere.
You need axioms to talk about logical proof. You can say that
you remember yesterday, and that you take as axiom that anything
you clearly remember happened. I could counterclaim that you
hallucinated the whole thing.

To talk about proofs of historical events, you have to relax the
terms a bit. You can show evidences, not proofs. Evidences of the
resurrected Jesus exist. Proofs do not.


Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that...I sounds to me,
your UPS takes in AC, rectifies it to DC to charge the batteries, and
then takes the battery DC and chops it to AC again, feeding your
equipment.  This approach is the easiest and cleanest way to
switchover from the mains to battery once your power kicks out since,
as you mentioned, nothing will know about what happened down the line.

Another way to do the UPS scheme is to use the mains until you
lose power, and then kick in the battery backup with it's inverter to
replace the lost power.  The problem here is the switchover time and
you've got to resync the AC in no time flat.

Unfortunately, most everything is built around the assumption that
AC is available, so the UPS guys have to provide and AC output to
be usable...ya sorta have to make it work with what there already.

Similar story with our telephone system.  It was first invented back
in the 1800's.  We're still using the same damn system (media) as they
did back then.  If I have a phone from back then, I can assure you
it'll work on today's phone system.  It costs too much to overhaul
everyone to a new system, so they make it work with what is out there.


I need to find a UART that will interface to an 8051 and do the following:
	-250k baud, 8 data bits, 2 stop bits, no parity
	-ability to do BREAK detect (IRQ or output pin)
	-IRQ on character received

I'm using a Dallas DS2250 at 16 Mhz (8051 clone), but it won't do
break detect.  I've looked at the 6850, 8251, 7201, 2661, etc...


	Good point -- it is very true that these "false" predictions are
dangerous--we are warned (more than once) in scripture about false prophtets.

	However, as is often the case with other issues, one cannot let those
who falsly report such "visions" as a reason against believing in any of them
(I did not get the impression you were asserting this, by the way...I consider
my response not so much a response to your posting but a response to the topic
as a whole).

	Example:  The Appearances of Mary at Fatima, Portugal in 1917.

	Among other things, she predicted the conversion of Russia to Atheism
	(something that happened less than a year later w/ the Bolshevik
	revolution).  She also predicted the second world war (that is, predicte	predicted that it would occur during the papacy of a certain pope, who
	was not the current one.  It happened just like she said.)

	She warned there would be "fire in the sky" as a warning that the
	second world war was about to start.  About a week before Germany
	invaded, weathermen (and women, I suppose) all over Europe, from
	England to Spain to Eastern Europe, reported the most spectacular
	reddish color in the sky ever recorded.  To this day some try to
	explain it off as the northern lights, and the relation to Mary's
	prediction simply coincidence.  You all can decide for yourselves.

	Mary predicted that the Atheistic Russia would spread her evils all
	over the world and persecute religion.

	She said many other things as well, too numerous to list here.  Every
	single one has been realized.  	One can only use the term "coincidence"
	so many times in the same explanation before its use becomes
	ridiculous.

	SO...yes, there are many false prophets and many false reports. There
	are true ones, too.  We must always remain open to that.  Fatima was
	one example.  There is another one, currently occuring--the
	apparitions that have been taking place at Medjurgorje, Yugoslavia
	(or whatever its called now).  Mary has been appearing every day for
	eleven years now.  It's time the world started listening.


I have bad luck and got a VD called <Granuloma ingunale>, which involves
the growth of granules in the groin.  I found out about it by checking medicine
books and I found the prescriptions.  And I know I can just go to a clinic to
get it cured.  BUT unfortunately I am serving my duty in the army right now and
I think it's impossible to prevent anyone from knowing this if I take leaves
every day for two weeks for treatment.  Thus I bought the prescribed tablets
at some drugstore, but to cure it I must get INJECTION of <Streptomycin>, with
a dose of 1g every 12 hours, for at least 10 days.  I can probably buy the
tools and this solution somewhere but I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO INJECTION BY MYSELF
!
Can any kind people here tell me:

If it's possible to do it? Can I do it on my arm? or it must be done on the hip
only??  Any info is welcome and please write me or post your help SOON!! (I am
already taking the tablets ..and I can't wait!!)

Please don't flame me for posting this, and don't judge me. I've learned a
lesson and all I need now is REAL MEDICAL HELP.


And organized religion is a religion built from organized values.
And Ford Tempo is a Tempo built from Ford values.
And rational response is response built from rational values.
And unconditional surrender is surrender built from unconditional values.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
          uncle!


One of those "morning, just getting the coffee in me" thoughts:

 Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just "Hey, how's it going,
nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"

 1) If you're watching for other bikes to wave to, it means your attention
is on the road, where it should be, and you're more likely to see cages.


The French Canadian rule was an extremely short term feature when the
universal draft was instituted in the sixties and only lasted for a
few years...and really didn't have any substantial effect during that
period.  The Canadiens Stanley Cup achievements were earned on a
level playing field.


Why don't you start with the spec-sheet of the ISA bus first?
You can quote SCSI specs till you're blue in the face, but if they
exceed the ISA bus capability, then what's the point?

Who says IDE is limited to 5 megs/sec?  What about VLB-IDE?  Does anyone
know how they perform?

As implimented on what system?

Given the original question (SCSI used only as a single hard drive
controller),  is it then necessary to get a SCSI drive that will do
at least 5, maybe 10 megs/sec for the SCSI choice to make any sence?
What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost?

The original CGA cart back in '84 was $300.  I think the original EGA card
(or PGA?) was $800.  SCSI has stood relatively alone in not coming down
in price, mainly because we're talking about PC's and not Sun's or Sparc
or SGI or (name your favorite unix workstation).  That is, after millions
of PC buying decisions over the years, SCSI has had plenty of time to
come down in price.


I think I've seen this bike.  Is it all white, with a sea-green stripe
and just 'HONDA' for decals, I've seen such a bike numerous times over
by Sewall hall at CU, and I thought it was a race-prepped CBR.
I didn't see it over at the EC parking lot (I buzzed over there on my
way home, all of 1/2 block off my route!)  but it was gone.

Is a single sided swingarm available for the CBR?  I would imagine so,
kinda neccisary for quick tire changes.  When I first saw it, I assumed it
was a bike repainted to cover crash damage.


Try wuarchive.wustl.edu in the mirrors/win3 directory.


The Nicene Creed

WE BELIEVE in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate.  He suffered and was buried, and the third day rose again according to the Scriptur

es, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father.  And he shall come again with glory to judge  both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.


To me, a larger problem is that once disclosed, your keys could be used
to decrypt any previously recorded conversations. I gather that from this
proposal a warrant would be required to get the keys, but not to collect
conversations! Consider the scenario where an agency collects preemptively
all encrypted conversations for certain people likely to be targets (and
not necessarily "legitimate" targets), then arranges for some unrelated
incident that can trigger a warrant:

   "Your honor, we know that the suspect has received calls from noted
crime figure Bugsy Butthead [said calls arranged by the agency] and we must
therefore have this warrant to determine whether this suspect, in a
sensitive govt post, is corrupt."

  I suppose that it is conceivable that there are session keys involved
somewhere, but that doesn't seem likely; if there are, why wouldn't the
technical overview mention them when it goes to such details as the number
of bits held by each escrow authority?

  This scheme is full of holes, and stinks to high heaven.

  -mel


I was watching the Dodgers/Marlins game yesterday and a couple of
things impressed me.

First is that the way the sun was shining in Miami, it had a summer
atmosphere in early spring for baseball.  In comparison Wrigley Field
in early April still has a wintry look to it with the dead ivy and
bundled up fans.

The second and most important was the fans.  I like these guys/gals!
I will admit I am a football fan first but I still enjoy baseball.
It was interesting because most of these fans are only accustomed to
the Miami Dolphins.  The way they were cheering, I thought it was the
AFC playoffs.  Of course opening day may have A LOT to do with it,
but I really got feeling of electricity that I think is lacking with
a lot of baseball fans in other cities.

Baseball certainly needs a charge and I hope these two expansion
teams bring back some excitement.  We'll find out Friday how Denver
Bronco fans respond.


Can somone explain to me all the stuff about modems...
like v.32 v.42 HST USRobotics...

why cheap 14.4 can' t cannot connect fast to some modems...

just explain to me everything!!!  thanks..


"Diet Evangelist".  Good term.  Fits Atkins to a "T".

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."


And some people thought that I am exaggerating when claiming that the
Cripple Chip is just a first step in a totalitarian plot against the
civil liberties in the USA... It seems that I've even been an optimist
- the things are happening even faster than I expected.... That's
another of the dirty tricks they used to apply on us under the
communist regime - do something secret, THEN tell the people about is
(after the fact, when nothing can be done any more), and of course,
explaining them how much better the situation is now...

In my previous messages I wrote that the Americans should wake up and
fight against the new proposal. Now it seems to me that it is already
too late - it has already happened, the civil liberties have been
violated, no, stollen from the American people, while the most part of
this people has been sleeping happily... :-((( Too sad...

Regards,
Vesselin


What does a lack of taste of foods, or a sense of taste that seems "off"
when eating foods in someone who has cancer mean? What are the possible
causes of this? Why does it happen?

Pt has Stage II breast cancer, and is taking tamoxifin. Also has Stage IV
lung cancer with known CNA metastasis, and is taking klonopin (also had
cranial radiation treatments).

Thanks!


You are probably referring to the products of

		Opto Diode Corp.
		750 Mitchell Road
		Newbury Park Ca 91320
		805 499-0335

The make some amazing IRLED's.  The really high-powered devices are arrays of
3, 6, or 9, LED's on a TO-66 header.  The 9-chip model puts out 6.5 Watts in
response to a 5 Amp, 10 uS. pulse at a .5% duty cycle.  I think  these are
designed as illuminators for IR vision systems.


I haven't heard any news about ASN carrying any games but the local
cable station here in St. John's (Cable 9) is carrying the games live!

Hey, it's better than nothing!

GO LEAFS GO!!!

Dale


Has anybody noticed that Toyota has an uncanny knack for designing horrible
ugly station wagons?  Tercels, Corollas, Camrys.  Have their designers no
aesthetic sense at all?


Can someone give me the title of a good VGA graphics programming book?
Please respond by email. Thanks!

			--Yuan


As quoted from <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:

That depends only on the profit of doing so.  The differences
in cost of production will determine local vs smuggle.

Those of us who have actually made semi-autos (full-autos are easier)
are getting quite a giggle out of this.  I'd estimate that 5% of
the people at my high school couldn't do it.  (I was one of the
few who failed shop.)  People who have actually seen me do mechanical
work would probably say that 1% is more like it.

Starting with even 90% of the population, you can be sure that
"enough" people will be motivated.

How much is "through the nose"?  After all, we know quite a bit
about how much a gun is worth to a criminal, so if that is dwarfed
by the price demanded by the "bad" part of that 90%....

The relevant economic analysis has been made.  The "profit" of
gun crime is high enough that the price required to push criminals
out of the market is high enough that everyone will be motivated.
That analysis ignored some "improvements" in the criminal gun
market that could make them even cheaper.  (They're not efficiently
used now, but a "loaner" set up would drive the value still higher
without affecting criminal use.)

-andy


In <Apr.23.02.55.31.1993.3123@geneva.rutgers.edu>
Tim asks:

   This is probably too simplistic for some, but John 3:16 saus,
   "For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that
   whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life".

   Genesis 15:6, "And he (Abram) believed the LORD; and He reckoned
   it to him as righteousness".

   I don't find anywhere that God restricts heaven to particular
   ethnic groups or religious denominations or any other category
   that we humans like to drop people into. But He does REQUIRE
   that we believe and trust Him. In Hebrews it says that God spoke
   of old by the prophets (the old testament), but in these last days
   he has spoken to us by His son Jesus Christ. And we learn of
   Him through the pages of the New Testament. The Bible tells us
   what we need to believe. For those who have never heard, I leave
   them in God's capable care, He will make himself known as he
   desires. It behooves each one of us to act upon the knowledge
   we have. If you reject the claims of Jesus, and still go to
   heaven, then the joke's on me. If you reject him and go to hell,
   that's no joke, but it will be final.

   Gerry


I'm trying to create a button that has both a label and a bitmap using
the MenuButton widget.  Is this possible?  Right now, all I get is the
bitmap -- no sign of the label.

Any help would be appreciated.


I have heard of two packages for the PC that support X-Win.
The first is Linux which is a free Unix Package.  The Second
is X-Appeal, which sounds pretty good.  It can be found at
 garbo.uwusa.fi in the ~ftp/pc/demo/ dir.  The files are

	xap13exe.zip
	xap10fon.zip
	drivers.zip

This should get you started.

Josh.


I have been to all 3 Isles/Caps tilts at the Crap Centre this year, all Isles
wins and there is no justification for Vukota and Pilon to play for the Isles.
Vukota is absolutely the worst puck handler in the world!! He couldn't hit a
bull in the ass with a banjo!! Al must remember a few years back when Mick
scored 3 goals in one period against the Caps in a 5-3 Isles win. I was there
and was astonished as was the rest of the crowd. Wake-up Al!!! Years later he's
gotten worse. He's a cheap shot artist and always ends up getting
stupid/senseless penalties. I think he would make a good police officier!!!

As for Pilon, he can't carry the puck out to center ice by himself. He either
makes a bad pass resulting in a turnover, or he attempts to bring the puck
towards the neutral zone and skates right into an opposing skater. He can't
stay on his skates with most forwards or centers. He either falls down or
committs a penalty. Call up somebody from Capital District AL!!!!!

As far as the playoffs, the Isles are as difficult to figure out as the Caps.
Two good teams with talent but so inconsistent. They should meet in the first
round. The Isles seem to play up to the level of their competition so they
should play well against Jersey tonite. It'll probably be another tight 1-goal
game as the last 20 games hve been for the Isles. I wish when the get a lead
they could continue to pour it on instead of settling back into a defensive
shell and letting the opposition get back in the game. Al MUST understand he
can't do with this team what he did with the 80-83 Isles. maybe Al should got
to. Where is Bobby Nystrom?? Clark Gilles?? John Tonelli?? These are the kind
of young minds we need behing the bench!!    FIRE AL!!!!

John Scialdone
SCIALDONE@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV


The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are
carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when
possible).  Documentation and tracking software are also available on this
system.  As a service to the satellite user community, the most current
elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below.  The Celestial
BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using
8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.

Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation
and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil
(129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space.

STS 56
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2 22621  57.0022 147.2850 0004246 288.7332  38.0941 15.92991629  1084
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2 22623  57.0000 155.1150 0004422 293.4650  66.5967 15.92653917   803


Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part02
Last-modified: 1993/4/15

FAQ for sci.crypt, part 2: Net Etiquette

This is the second of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are
mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest.
We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask.
Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part.

The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu
as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx].  The Cryptography
FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers
every 21 days.

Contents:

* What groups are around? What's a FAQ? Who am I? Why am I here?
* Do political discussions belong in sci.crypt?
* How do I present a new encryption scheme in sci.crypt?

* What groups are around? What's a FAQ? Who am I? Why am I here?

  Read news.announce.newusers and news.answers for a few weeks. Always
  make sure to read a newsgroup for some time before you post to it.
  You'll be amazed how often the same question can be asked in the same
  newsgroup. After a month you'll have a much better sense of what the
  readers want to see.

* Do political discussions belong in sci.crypt?

  No. In fact some newsgroups (notably misc.legal.computing) were
  created exactly so that political questions like ``Should RSA be
  patented?'' don't get in the way of technical discussions. Many
  sci.crypt readers also read misc.legal.computing, comp.org.eff.talk,
  comp.patents, sci.math, comp.compression, et al.; for the benefit of
  people who don't care about those other topics, try to put your
  postings in the right group.

  Questions about microfilm and smuggling and other non-cryptographic
  ``spy stuff'' don't belong in sci.crypt either.

* How do I present a new encryption scheme in sci.crypt?

  ``I just came up with this neat method of encryption. Here's some
  ciphertext: FHDSIJOYW^&%$*#@OGBUJHKFSYUIRE. Is it strong?'' Without a
  doubt questions like this are the most annoying traffic on sci.crypt.

  If you have come up with an encryption scheme, providing some
  ciphertext from it is not adequate. Nobody has ever been impressed by
  random gibberish. Any new algorithm should be secure even if the
  opponent knows the full algorithm (including how any message key is
  distributed) and only the private key is kept secret. There are some
  systematic and unsystematic ways to take reasonably long ciphertexts
  and decrypt them even without prior knowledge of the algorithm, but
  this is a time-consuming and possibly fruitless exercise which most
  sci.crypt readers won't bother with.

  So what do you do if you have a new encryption scheme? First of all,
  find out if it's really new. Look through this FAQ for references and
  related methods. Familiarize yourself with the literature and the
  introductory textbooks.

  When you can appreciate how your cryptosystem fits into the world at
  large, try to break it yourself! You shouldn't waste the time of tens
  of thousands of readers asking a question which you could have easily
  answered on your own.

  If you really think your system is secure, and you want to get some
  reassurance from experts, you might try posting full details of your
  system, including working code and a solid theoretical explanation, to
  sci.crypt. (Keep in mind that the export of cryptography is regulated
  in some areas.)

  If you're lucky an expert might take some interest in what you posted.
  You can encourage this by offering cash rewards---for instance, noted
  cryptographer Ralph Merkle is offering $1000 to anyone who can break
  Snefru-4---but there are no guarantees. If you don't have enough
  experience, then most likely any experts who look at your system will
  be able to find a flaw. If this happens, it's your responsibility to
  consider the flaw and learn from it, rather than just add one more
  layer of complication and come back for another round.

  A different way to get your cryptosystem reviewed is to have the NSA
  look at it. A full discussion of this procedure is outside the scope
  of this FAQ.


: Yes, I know it sounds crazy. Call it an urge. Call it what you want.
: Just don't ask why :-)

: Anyway, I'd like to build a UV flashlight, cheaply. "flashlight" means
: it should be reasonably portable, but could have a power pack if
: necessary.

: My main question is the bulb: where can I get UV bulbs? Do they
: need a lot of power? etc., etc.

: I'm not too concerned with whether it's long-wave or short-wave
: (but hey, if anyone has a cheap source of bulbs, I'll take both).

	Check out a medical supply catalog, the thing you are looking for
is called a woods lamp (so you can check for woods sign, certain skin
conditions flourecse (sp) under UV light)  They come in disposable
penlight like types and larger ac powered types.  It is also used in eye
examinations, a flourescent dye is introduced to the surface of the eye,
then UV is shined on it, shows up scratches and abrasions very clearly
that would otherwise be very difficult to detect.  (for the completest the
dye is called flouescien, and in normal light appears orangish, and leaves
a mild burning sensation to the eye for 10-15 minutes, until the tears
flush it all out.

Have fun.


My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she has no
medical insurance, she cannot get them removed.

My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least mitigate
their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to literature,
etc...)

Thank you,