   You ask where we are.  I would echo that question.  I'm not trying to be
   contentious.  But assuming that the Pope has universal jurisdiction
   and authority, what authority do you rely upon for your decisions?
   What prevents me from choosing ANY doctrine I like and saying that
   Papal disagreement is an error that will be resolved in time?
   This is especially true, since Councils of Bishops have basically
   stood by the Pope.

The ultimate question is the traditional theology of the Church.  This
is the *only* thing that it is possible to resist a Pope for: his
departure from the traditional doctrine of the Church.  If commands
from *any* authority conflict with Tradition, the commands must be
disobeyed.

My own view on this is that this conflict could only happen in a major
way.  God would never allow a hair-splitting situation to develop; it
would be too complex for people to figure out.  I don't view the
present situation in the Church as anything extremely complicated.
Run through a list of what has happened in the last 30 years in the
Catholic Church, and any impartial observer will be aghast.

   It appears that much of what lies at the heart of this matter is
   disagreements over what is tradition and Tradition, and also over
   authority and discipline.

The problems stem from a general widespread ignorance of the Catholic
Faith, in my opinion.  Most Catholics know about zilch about the
Catholic Faith; this leaves them wide open for destruction by erring
bishops.  It's basically the Reformation part II.

There is not even a question in my mind that in some respects the
shards of the Catholic Church are currently being trampled upon by the
Catholic hierarchy.  I could go on listing shocking things for an
hour, probably.

Take the situation in Campos, Brazil, for example.  I'm reading a book
on what happened there after Vatican Council II.  The bishop, Antonio
de Castro-Mayer, never introduced all the changes that followed in the
wake of Vatican II.  He kept the traditional Mass, the same old
catechisms, etc.  He made sure the people knew their faith, the
Catholic theology of obedience, what Modernism was, etc.  He
innoculated the people against what was coming.

Well, one day the order came from Rome for his retirement.  It came
when the Pope was sick.  Bishop de Castro-Mayer waited until the Pope
recovered, then inquired whether this command was what the Pope really
wanted, or something that some Liberal had commanded in his absence.
The Pope confirmed the decision.  So the good bishop retired.

The injustice that followed was completely incredible.  A new bishop
was installed.  He proceeded to expel most of bishop de Castro-Mayer's
clergy from their churches, because they refused to celebrate the New
Mass.  The new bishop would visit a parish, and celebrate a New Mass.
The people would promptly walk out of the church en masse.  The bishop
was *enraged* by this.  He usually resorted to enlisting the help of
the secular authorities to eject the priest from the church.  The
priests would just start building new churches; the people were
completely behind them.  The old parishes had the New Mass, as the
bishop desired -- and virtually no parishioners.

The prime motivation for all this was completely illegal, according to
canon law.  No priest can be penalized in any way for saying the
traditional Mass, because of legislation enacted by Pope Saint Pius V.
Nor is there any obligation to say the New Mass.

During all this process, the people of Campos, not just private
individuals, but including civil authorities, were constantly sending
petitions and letters to Rome to do something about the new Modernist
bishop.  NOTHING was ever done; no help ever arrived from Rome.
Eventually 37 priests were kicked out, and about 40,000 people.

   My question to the supporters of SSPX is this:

	 Is there ANY way that your positions with respect to church reforms
	 could change and be conformed to those of the Pope? (assuming that
	 the Pope's position does not change and that the leaders of SSPX
	 don't jointly make such  choice.)

   If not, this appears to be claiming infallible teaching authority.
   If I adopt the view that "I'm NOT wrong, I CAN'T be wrong, and
   there's NO WAY I'll change my mind, YOU must change yours", that
   I've either left the Catholic Church or it has left me.

If the Pope defines certain things ex cathedra, that would be the end
of the controversy.  That process is all very well understood in
Catholic theology, and anyone who doesn't go along with it is an
instant non-Catholic.

The problem here is that people do not appreciate what is going on in
the Catholic world.  If they knew the Faith, and what our bishops are
doing, they would be shocked!

   We sould argue from now until the Second Coming about what the "real"
   traditional teaching of the Church is.  If this were a simple matter
   East and West would not have been separated for over 900 years.

This isn't the case in the Catholic Church.  There is a massive body
of traditional teaching.  The Popes of the last 150 years are
especially relevant.  There is no question at all what the traditional
doctrine is.

   I thought that the teaching magisterieum of the church did not allow
   error in teachings regarding faith and morals even in the short term.`
   I may be wrong here, I'm not Roman Catholic. :-)

That's heresy, more or less.  Although they have done a great job
since the Reformation, the last 30 years have seen so many errors
spread that it's pitiful.

Infallibility rests in the Pope, and in the Church as a whole.  In the
short term, a Pope, or large sections of the Church can go astray.  In
fact, that's what usually happens during a major heresy: large
sections of the Church go astray.  (The Pope historically has been
much more reliable.)  Everything will always come back in the long
run.

   What would be the effect of a Pope making an ex cathedra statement
   regarding the SSPX situation?  Would it be honored?  If not, how
   do you get around the formal doctrine of infallibility?
   Again, I'm not trying to be contentions, I'm trying to understand.
   Since I'm Orthodox, I've got no real vested interest in the outcome,
   one way or the other.

Yes, it would be honored.  Infallibility is infallibility.  But what
is he going to define?  That the New Mass is a better expression of
the Catholic Faith than the old?  That sex education in the Catholic
schools is wonderful?  That all religions are wonderful except for
that professed by the Popes prior to Vatican II?

   It does if the command was legitimate.  SSPX does not view the
   Pope's commands as legitimate.  Why?  This is a VERY slippery slope.


  I suspect that the decisive element in the political battle will be the
FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) factor.
  If the people who would be end users of the Cripple Chip hear of the whole
debate only vaguely -- the government says it's solid; other people in the
field say it's Swiss cheese -- the balance of doubt could shift against the
Feds.  Any attempt to limit other forms of encryption could then be presented
as the government covering its own butt by protecting its poor product from
superior competition.
  Comments?


We have a Sun CD-ROM drive which I would like to play audio CD's in.
I have an old 10 watt amplifier which works fine when connected to a
junk "Walkman" style AM/FM radio. This amp ties the common path of the
earphone connection to ground.

However, it doesn't work with my Sony Walkman cassette player, or the CD drive,
it produces of loud low-frequency tone. Obviously Sony doesn't ground
the earphone output common. Does anyone have specs on the CD drive's
output? Will an audio transformer help? What are others using to
play there CD's in the Sun drive so that more than one can listen?

Thanks for the help.


	.
	.
	.

Since I was born in the late Pleistocene, I too remember 1964.  That year,
the Dodgers were several games out of first and I think finished sixth in the
league.  This was kind of odd because they won the World Series both the
previous year and the following year.

--
Warren Usui


      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     I first heard rumors of a similar government proposal (in Risks
Digest???) in 1987 or 1988.


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Your medical school library should have books on peripheral nerve
injuries.  Probably it was your brachial plexus, so look that up.

--
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Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."


This was posted to the firearms-politics mailing list.
=============================================================
Hi Folks;

Thursday, April 15 marked Day 3 of the trial.

This day marked the first testimony of the trial.  Deputy
U.S. Marshal Larry Cooper took the stand for the prosecution.

The short version is that his testimony was consistent with
the opening statements for the prosecution.

Cooper testified that he had arrived in Spokane (Washington)
on August 17, 1992 to participate in a surveillance operation
with five other deputies near the Weaver cabin.  The team was
using night vision equipment for surveillance, and split up
into two teams of three people.  The six later met at an
observation point above the cabin.  After this, deputies
Cooper, William Degan, and Arthur Roderick began a descent to
scout further possible surveillance sites.

Cooper told the court that Roderick threw two large rocks into
a gully to see, "whether the [Weaver family] dogs would respond."
Striker, the Weaver's yellow lab, started toward them barking
loudly.  Roderick led the three in a run from the area.

They ran through some dense woods into an open area [called the
"fern field"] with the dog in pursuit.  By this time, Kevin
Harris and Samuel Weaver had joined the chase.  The surveillance
team had reached a Y in the road: Cooper decided that they should
take cover in the woods because otherwise they would be an easy
target and might be "shot in the back."

As Degan reached the Y, he spotted Randy Weaver coming down the
road from the cabin ahead.  Weaver was startled but did not fire.

At this moment, Striker reached Degan, and Cooper had to "fend
him off with his gun."  [It is unclear whether this means he
clubbed the dog or shot the dog].  Both Cooper and Degan then
took cover in the woods.  According to Cooper, Kevin Harris and
Samuel Weaver continued walking down the road, apparently not
noticing the two.  After they had passed by on the road, Degan
got up on one knee, raised his gun, and shouted, "Stop!  U.S.
Marshal!"  Harris then "...brought the weapon around at hip level
and fired.  He didn't bring the weapon up to eye level.  I saw
Bill's arm going back, and I knew he had been hit."  Cooper fired
at Harris, and Harris went down.  Cooper then brought his weapon
to bear on Samuel, but did not fire.  At this point, Cooper then
heard two shots to his right.  Samuel Weaver looked in the
direction of the shots, yelled, "You son of a bitch!" and ran
toward them.  Cooper then realized that shots were coming at him
from directly ahead, so he fired a three-round burst at the
cabin.  At this point he then saw Samuel Weaver running toward
the cabin.  When Cooper reached Degan, he placed his first two
fingers on Degan carotid artery, counted two or three beats, and
then his heart stopped.  Shortly thereafter, Roderick and the
other three marshals joined him.  They then all heard a large
burst of gunfire from the area around the cabin.

On cross-examination, David Nevin questioned the point of
throwing rocks into the gulley, asking, "You wanted to lure that
dog out so you could shoot that dog, didn't you?"  Nevin also
pointed out that in last September's testimony, Cooper had
claimed that he spotted Weaver after the dog had left him.
Cooper claimed that he had gone over the events in his head and
decided that Thursday's account was correct.  Nevin continued the
cross-examination by asking what Cooper would have done had an
armed man dressed in full camouflage jumped out of the woods at
him [no answer was available].

Friday, April 16 marks continued cross-examination of Cooper.

Notes: There was no coverage of protestors.

Drew
==============================================================


If a landlord sells an apartment building "vacant" to another landlord
and fails to notify his tenants, they just might find themselves out
on the street all of a sudden.  The seller may be a scoundrel and a
crook but this doesn't make the buyer a "thief", as Israelis are so
often called here on tpm.

The Arabs that lived along the coast in Western Palestine, later to be
called Israel, were shafted by their brother Arabs just as they've
been shafted for decades since then by their Arab bretheren.  Somehow,
though, the Arab call has continued to blame Israel, not only for the
Syrian landowner sell-out in Western Palestine (Israel) but even for
the occupation of Eastern Palestine (Jordan) by the Hashemites.  This
is just more of refusing to take blame for one's own actions.

If your job was eliminated in a corporate takeover, you could probably
go to court, too.  You'd probably lose, though.


i am in need of a motif-based graphing package to integrate into a large
software package under development for distribution to universities.  it
can be either public domain or commercial, although a commercial package
can't have royalties required for binary only distribution.  we need 2-d
graphing capabilities at a minimum, but 3-d  would be nice.  any info would
be appreciated and i will summarize if there is interest.

thanks,
mitch


Greg's obviously confused. There aren't many (any) gentlemen on this
newsgroup. Well, maybe. One or two.


   Sorry, but olwm and tvtwm don't do it. They place the title at that position
   and the window at a position below it.

   This becomes a problem when you want a program to be able to save its current
   configuration and restore is later.

   Currently, my solution is:

	   XCreateWindow(...);
	   XSetWMProperties(..);
	   XMapWindow(...);
	   XFlush(...);
	   XMoveWindow(...);

   It works with olwm, but is less than elegant. All this leaves me wondering
   if I'm overlooking something obvious.

   Richard.

I know that the mwm has an resource to specify if positions are to be used for
the border of a window or for the "user" window. Maybe other window managers
have similar options.
Another way to figure out the difference between the "user" window position
and the window manager decoration window position is to subtract their
positions. You just have to use XQueryTree and remember that the window manager
decorations window is the parent of your window. Unfortunately, you can only
figure out the decoration width and height after the window has been mapped
this way.


First, what the fuck is NASA doing wasting my tax dollars doing
policy papers on stuff far outside of their purvew/mission?

Second, this isn't a problem of economics.  This is a problem of
the incremental accumulation of police-state powers by our government.

How, exactly, do you put a price on the loss of freedom of a society?
Maybe use the dollars/life lost calculations for the extra people
killed by the gov.  The pain and suffering cases for those tortured.
The dollars/life lost caused by the inevitable collapse of the economy,
and all the secondary effects of diseases, diet, etc.  Plus, the
inevitable collapse of the economy as the gov controls it, becomes
corrupt, etc.

Do us a favor.  Resign rather than right this paper for NASA.  Go
do useful work for the society.

lew


I was wondering if anyone had any kind of Fenway Park gif.
I would appreciate it if someone could send me one.
Thanks in advance.


You may find it useful.
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From: eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Best way to lock a bike ?
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These are the figures from the Performance Bikes lock test, taken without
permission of course. The price is for comparison. All the cable locks
have some sort of armour, the chain locks are padlock and chain. Each
lock was tested for a maximum of ten minutes (600 secs) for each test:

	BJ	Bottle jack
	CD	Cutting disc
	BC	Bolt croppers
	GAS	Gas flame

The table should really be split into immoblisers (for-a-while) and
lock-to-somethings (for-a-short-while) to make comparisons.

		Type	Weight	BJ	CD	BC	GAS	Total	Price
			(kg)	(sec)	(sec)	(sec)	(sec)	(sec)	(Pounds)
========================================================================
=========
3-arm		Folding	.8	53	5	13	18	89	26
Cyclelok	bar

Abus Steel-o-	Cable	1.4	103	4	20	26	153	54
flex

Oxford		Cable	2.0	360	4	32	82	478	38
Revolver

Abus Diskus	Chain	2.8	600	7	40	26	675	77

6-arm		Folding	1.8	44	10	600	22	676	51
Cyclelok	bar

Abus Extra	U-lock	1.2	600	10	120	52	782	44

Cobra		Cable	6.0(!)	382	10	600	22	1014	150
(6ft)

Abus closed	Chain	4.0	600	11	600	33	1244	100
shackle

Kryptonite	U-lock	2.5	600	22	600	27	1249	100
K10

Oxford		U-lock	2.0	600	7	600	49	1256	38
Magnum

Disclock	Disc	.7	n/a	44	n/a	38	1282	43
		lock

Abus 58HB	U-lock	2.5	600	26	600	64	1290	100

Mini Block	Disc	.65	n/a	51	n/a	84	1335	50
		lock
========================================================================
=========

Pretty depressing reading. I think a good lock and some common sense about
where and when you park your bike is the only answer. I've spent all my
spare time over the last two weeks landscaping (trashing) the garden of
my (and two friends with bikes) new house to accommodate our three bikes in
relative security (never underestimate how much room a bike requires to
manouver in a walled area :( ). Anyway, since the weekend there are only two
bikes :( and no, he didn't use his Abus closed shackle lock, it was too much
hassle to take with him when visiting his parents. A minimum wait of 8
weeks (if they don't decide to investigate) for the insurance company
to make an offer and for the real haggling to begin.

Abus are a German company and it would seem not well represented in the US
but very common in the UK. The UK distributor, given in the above article
is:
	Michael Brandon Ltd,
	15/17 Oliver Crescent,
	Hawick,
	Roxburgh TD9 9BJ.
	Tel. 0450 73333

The UK distributors for the other locks can also given if required.

Don't lose it
	Ian


I was replying to a person who attempted to justify the fatwa
against Rushdie on the grounds that his work was intentionally
insulting.

I think that to take a single sentence from a fairly long
posting, and to say

	"I don't know if you are doing so, but it
	seems you are implying....."

is at the very best quite disingenuous, and perhaps even
dishonest.    If anyone care to dig back and read the full
posting, they will see nothing of the kind.

I trust you don't deny that Islamic teaching has "something
to do" with the fatwa against Rushdie?


Just to remark that I have heard that David Koresh has risen from
the dead.  I dont know if it is true or not, but this is what I have
been told.  What do you guys think?


Not a typo.  It was uploaded to ftp.cica.indiana.edu a couple days back.

Version 3.4 uses standard Windows printer drivers.

Ashok


The willingness of the majority of the people to give up their freedom in
exchange for a sense of safety is hardly limited to the USA, and is an
endemic problem in any human society of any appreciable size.  The structure
of the US government does try to combat this tendency to some extent, but
fighting entropy is always a losing battle.  Most people would rather have
comfort than freedom.  The paradox is that you can't really have the former,
in the long term, unless you have the latter.

One of the reasons that I probably come across to some people as a weird
cross between a libertarian and an "establishment tool" is that I end up
taking an utterly pragmatic view of government.  I don't get up in arms when
the government fails to protect the interests of the people, because in my
lifetime it never has--therefore, I have no expectation that it will.

As a result, I protect my own interests rather than expecting the government
to be "fair".  I will use strong cryptography when I think it is needed,
whether or not it is legal at the time.  Same thing with anything else the
government would rather not see in private hands--that's their problem.
What's important to me is using the right tool for the job.  If it's legal,
so much the better.  If it is not, but does not violate my (very strong)
sense of personal ethics, I will use it anyway as long I think it is worth
it.  Expecting the government to actually protect the interests of its
citizens, except by accident, is utter folly.  Even Jefferson, one of the
major architects of the American system of government, figured that in a
couple hundred years it would become so corrupt and self-serving that it
would be time dismantle it and try again, by revolution if necessary.  I
agree, and while I don't go around trying to spark one, I'll certainly
participate if it happens when I'm around.  There is a reason I am such a
strong supporter of individual rights while being so cynical about politics.
I've already written off politics.

And yes, this may get me in trouble some day.  If so, so be it.  I drive
faster than 55 MPH, too.


1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks.
1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks.
2 hours/drink for the rest.


It seems like XTranslateCoord. doesn't work the way I expecting it.  Right
after performs a XMoveWindow, I want to know the absolute window position
with respect to the root window.  To get this info. I do a XTranslateCoordinates
but the abs_x, and abs_y aren't right?  Does anybody know of a way to find
out this information?

Thanks, please e-mail to hsteve@carina.unm.edu if it's possible


Does NuTek (or anyone at NuTek) have an email address?

If not, why not? =)


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Gretzky averaged 2.69 pts/game

Check your information before posting, Gretzky's record is 215 pts in 80 games.

Over 84 games, Gretzky's total projected 226 points.

The 76-77 Canadiens had .825 percentage, 132 pts in 80 games. (60-8-12).
The 29-30 Bruins had a .875 winning percentage.
Also the 77-78 Canadiens had a .806 percentage with a 59-10-11 record.


I purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to
study the volumes mentioned, and benefit therefrom.


Make that worldwide coverage. I know numerous people who were planning
holidays to the Florida, and have now chosen another (non-US)
destination. You expect this sort of thing, perhaps, in third world
countries - but not the US!


By '8 grey level images' you mean 8 items of 1bit images?
It does work(!), but it doesn't work if you have more than 1bit
in your screen and if the screen intensity is non-linear.

With 2 bit per pixel; there could be 1*c_1 + 4*c_2 timing,
this gives 16 levels, but they are linear if screen intensity is
linear.
With 1*c_1 + 2*c_2 it works, but we have to find the best
compinations -- there's 10 levels, but 16 choises; best 10 must be
chosen. Different compinations for the same level, varies a bit, but
the levels keeps their order.

Readers should verify what I wrote... :-)


Is there a typical component or set of components
that are at fault when a switch mode power supply
goes south?

The supply is for a disk drive. Any general hints
would be appreciated!

Thanks!
Mark-Tarbell@suite.com
at fault when a switch mode power supply
goes south?

The supply is for a disk drive. Any general hints
would be appreciated!


Not true.  Dial 811 and listen to the recording.  If you get it, then your
phone was recognized by the network.  You wouldn't be able to dial a real
number yet (of course!)

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Mark Bramwell, VE3PZR                Located in sunny London, Ontario


The only things you'll be able to salvage from the junior are the floppy drives
and monitor.  The floppies are 360k, and the monitor is CGA, but you will need
an adaptor cable to use it.  The junior does not use standard cards.  Unless
you're really strapped for cash, you should just junk the thing and buy new
stuff.

Dan


{early PA?}
# I recall reading of a phonograph which used mechanical amplification.
# Compressed air was squirted out of a valve which was controlled by the
# pickup.  The result was noisy and distinctly lo-fi, but much louder
# than a conventional phonograph.  It tended to wear the disks out
# pretty quickly though.

An now-deceased prof told us willing students about a project he had
worked on during WWII.

They needed a mega-power PA with very clear audio quality. The purpose
was to bellow at refugees from aircraft.

Their solution was a giant compressed-air source, and a horn with
parallel shutters worked by a small audio system. I think he said it
worked very well, thus the War Dept. cancelled the project ;_}.


Several recent posts have identified the English word 'Easter' with
the Babylonian goddess 'Ishtar'.

'Easter' is a pagan word all right, but it has nothing to do with Ishtar.
If 'Easter' and 'Ishtar' were related, their history would show it.
But in Old English, Easter was 'Eostre', cognate with English 'East'
and German 'Ost'.   The reconstructed Proto-Germanic form is 'Austron'.
Not until after 1400 did 'Easter' have a high front vowel like 'Ishtar'.
Clearly, the two words have quite separate origins.

There may be neo-pagans who worship Ishtar at Easter, but if so, they
are making either a mistake of etymology, or a deliberate play on words.

-- Michael Covington  (Ph.D., linguistics)


: On December 29, 1992, it was illegal to operate a radar detector
: in the state of Virginia.  If one got caught, one got fined $65.00.
: Ask me how I know.

The Federal Communications Act of 1934 made it *legal* for you to
operate a radio receiver of any kind, on any frequency (including
X, K, and Ka bands) in the United States.  The Electronic
Communications Privacy Act of 1989(?) restricted the FCA of 1934
by making it illegal to receive the land-mobile telephone service,
including (I believe) cellular phones.  No restriction was placed
on receiving RADAR (or, curiously, cordless phones.)  Enforcement
of the Virginia law is in violation of the FCA of 1934.  If you have
lots of time and money (and a lawyer, which I'm *not*,) you can
argue this in a federal court and try to have the law overturned.

I can hardly wait to see the responses to this one, but somebody
had to say it...


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Rather than decide which book you want to buy, you need to decide which
programming interface you want to use, then buy the appropriate book.

I wrote an article for the X Resource which discusses the differences
between PHIGS and PEXlib (it will appear in Issue 6 which should be out
pretty soon).  But here's a brief summary...

PHIGS is a graphics API which was designed to be portable to many
devices.  Most implementations support the X Window System and take
advantage of a 3D extension to X called "PEX".  PEXlib is a slightly
"lower" level API which was designed to efficiently support the PEX
extension to X.

Some advantages of using PEXlib...
- Integrates with Xlib,Xt,Motif,etc. better than PHIGS
- Provides immediate mode capabilities
- Is free of "policy"
- PEX supports PHIGS, but is currently being extended to support
  features not found in PHIGS (like texture mapping, anti-aliasing).
  PEXlib will give you access to all of these features.

Some advantages of using PHIGS...
- Support for multiple devices, not just X based ones
- Support for archiving, metafiles, hardcopy output
- PHIGS has predefined input devices to make input easier
- PHIGS can handle exposure events and resizing for you
- PHIGS can help you with colormap selection/creation.

If you're working strictly in X and don't care about things like
archiving, I would go with PEXlib.  Either way, you will find that
both API's have a lot in common.


And I was pointing out that legal precedent defines a human being as
referring only to the born, so your suggestion was incorrect.

There is a confusion here about what "bodily resources" constitutes.  Blood
transfusions and organ donations involve bodily resources; your examples
do not.


Permit me to quote fragments of
praetzel@sunee.uwaterloo.ca's article
out of context.

-Newsgroups: sci.electronics,comp.lsi.cad
-From: praetzel@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
-Date: 10 Feb 93 15:46:41 GMT

-  Currently the XNF format is propierty and I know of at least on person at
-a university who was able to get it after signing a non-disclosure agreement.
-The Xilinx-bit map format is pretty well top secret.  I would love to know it
-because then you could make self_modifying_hardware  ;-)  As it is I had to
-reverse eng. the Xilinx tools to dump the bit map to the FPGA because it only
-runs on the computer with the hardware key.

self-modifying hardware could be *very* interesting --
 computers that could write thier own programs (assemblers, compilers)
were an immense breakthrough from calculators that couldn't.

-  I eagerly await a programmable gate array which uses a PD format and does
-not cost your first born to program.  Till then we will keep on reverse
-engineering whatever we can.  As it is one company that I worked at has gone
-under.  FPGAs are what they needed to make their product competitive.  They
-could not afford them.  In the end you could say that they could not afford
-to not use them but the management discovered that too late.
-   - Eric

my condolences.

i can't even imagine what i could do with self-modifing hardware.
i *can* imagine self-modifying software,
and even though *all* my teachers say that's BAD, even Worse than GOTO,
check out what the experts *used* to say about self-modifying code:
(he uses "orders" rather than "opcodes")

"On the Principles of Large Scale Computing Machines"
by Goldstine and von Neumann,
collected in
_John von Neumann: Collected Works, Vol. V_
reprinted here with absolutely no permission from anyone.
"We plan... to have a full size (40 binary digit) word hold
either contain
1 full size number (... equivalent to 12 decimal digits,
but we will use the first binary digit to denote the sign)
or two (20 binary digit) orders.
....
	It should be added that this technique of
automatic substitutions into orders,
i.e. the machine's ability to modify its own orders
(under the control of other ones among its orders)
is absolutely necessary for a flexible code. Thus, if
part of the memory is used as a "function table", then
"looking up" a value of that function for a value of the
variable which is obtained in the course of the computation
requires that the machine itself should modify, or
rather make up, the reference to the memory in the order which
controls this "looking up", and the machine can only make this
modification after it has already calculated the value of the
variable in question.
	On the other hand, this ability of the machine to modify its
own orders is one of the things which makes coding
the non-trivial operation which we have to view it as."

david cary, tenor, e- and comp. engineering (finger caryd@a.cs.okstate.edu).
227 S. 163 E. Ave, Tulsa, OK  74108-3310, USA, Sol 3, Universe v. 1.2


	True (especially for electrolytic capacitors at high temperature).

	Low power quartz oscillators are usually 32 kHz (and THESE
have significant temperature drifts, which one doesn't often notice
while wearing the watch on one's wrist).  Low temperature sensitivity
is available in other crystal types, which unfortunately
are larger and higher frequency (1 MHz or so) and take more
battery power.

	Programmable timers might be less accurate, but they
are more power-stingy than suitable crystal oscillators.


You certainly do not see OTC preparations advertised as such.
The only such ridiculous concoctions are nostrums for premenstrual
syndrome, ostensibly to treat headache and "bloating" simultaneously.
They're worthless.

That's not the idea, and no, they don't work.


Maybe I can help you. He's a major league coach with the Rockies.
So above prediction is doubly wrong.

My prediction: The Red Sox-Cubs Series and Vikings-Broncos SuperBore will
occur at the end of the world.

And one Rockie will finish in the top 10 of an offensive catagory this
year.

And no Rockie starter will have an ERA below 3.50.

And the Rangers fade will not begin until...August. They'll give way
to the Angels. But still challenge to the end.

Really. Not making any of this up. If I am, may God strike me down *ZZZZZZT*


Okay, here is my configuration:

80486-33 Gateway 433C Micronics ISA
12MB RAM
WD212MB IDE HD ( drive C: )
ST3144A 125MB IDE HD ( drive D: )
Adaptec SCSI 1542B controller, with SCSI BIOS enabled
Seagate ST296N 80MB SCSI drive

Alrighty, when I boot up I get the Adaptec BIOS message, but it says
something like:

"Drive C: installed"
"Drive D: installed"
"ADaptec SCSI BIOS not installed!"

And I can't get to the Seagate drive.

I go into PhoenixBIOS setup, remove the entry for drive D:, and BOOM, I can
access the Seagate.  Is there a way to get two IDE drives and the Seagate
at the same time?  I have ASPI4DOS.SYS, but it just hangs the system.


Cheryl Marks writes

That depends.  Just how much older were they?


Yes, I do.  A couple of years ago, I did a comparison of the two
products.  Some of this may have changed, but here goes.

As far as a PHIGS+ implementation, Figaro+ is fine.  But, its PHIGS!
Personally, I hate PHIGS because I find it is too low level.  I also
dislike structure editing, which I find impossible, but enough about
PHIGS.

I have found HOOPS to be a system that is full-featured and easy to
use.  They support all of their rendering methods in software when
there is no hardware support, their documentation is good, and they
are easily portable to other systems.

I would be happy to elaborate further if you have more specific
questions.


       The relevance is that if you've got x homicides and reduce
the number of gun homicides in that group, but x doesn't decrease
by a significant amount, have you made an improvement, and is that
improvement worth what you've paid?

       If a baseball bat is a tenth as likely to kill a victim as a gun,
is that any comfort to that tenth?

       I've faced a knife.  And I was damn annoyed I didn't *have*
a gun.  All the statistics in the world didn't change the fact that
*he* was interested in cutting *me*.

       "Anyone trained in self-defense."

       Unarmed self-defense isn't for everyone.  What's more, it requires
substantially more training to be safe and effective than a firearm.
It requires physical proximity and thus a greater threat to the victim,
which is a primary problem with stun guns.  You have to actually touch
your assailant.  Unless you're *very* good, a large, stronger assailant
can simply ignore your blows long enough to incapacitate you.


I had allergy shots for about four years starting as a sophomore in high
school.  Before that, I used to get bloody noses, nighttime asthma attacks,
and eyes so itchy I couldn't get to sleep.  After about 6 months on the
shots, most of those symptoms were gone, and they haven't come back.  I
stopped getting the shots (due more to laziness than planning) in college.
My allergies got a little worse after that, but are still nowhere near as
bad as they used to be.  So yes, the shots do work.


I'm a mac user who wants to use some of the rayshade models I've built
using macrayshade (rayshade-M) with Stratavision 3d.  Since Stratavision
can import many different model files I thought this would be a cinch...
but I haven't been able to find a simple translator that will work on the
mac.  Any ideas?

Stratavision 3d should be able to import:

DXF
MiniCAD
Super 3d
Swivel 3d professional

out of the box and:

RIB
IGS

with externals.

Also, if anyone knows of any other translator externals available for
Stratavision 3d (esp. Rayshade!) please e-mail me!

BTW, I'm going to send mail to the rayshade usrs mailing list tomorrow (I
misplaced the address) but since most users of rayshade do not seem to
operate with macs, I'm not getting my hopes up...

thanks in advance,


I consulted with someone working on an electronic odometer.  The
design was to use a microprocessor based system to write a somewhat
ofuscated pattern into an EEPROM.  The idea was to make the circuit
difficult to program arbitrary values into the EEPROM.  The
secondary purpose, acutally the primary purpose from the standpoint
of practicality, was to distributed the writes so as to avoid
exceeing the maximum number of writes fof the EEPROM being used.
The microprocessor also ignored pulses coming from the Hall effect
at a rate any higher than 110 MPH so as to make spoofing the reading
by bench pulsing at least somewhat undesirable.  This was for an
automobile that was not expected to ever exceed 110 MPH in
operation.  The case, of course, might not be the same for your
1993 RX-7!

The ECM modules of some cars do indeed store info about conditions
under which cars have been operated.  Since steering angle and
velocity data, etc is available it would not be difficult to
collect all sorts of interesting demographic information about the
drivers' use of the car.  I am not aware of any manufacturer
currently trying to enforce warranty restrictions based on reading
out use data from the ECM.  While it could be a potential invasion
of your privacy for manufacturers to have access to data about your
driving style, it could also provide valuable information from
actual field use conditions to help engineer more appropriate cars.
I personally wouldn't mind the dealer collecting my driving
demographics as long as it is done in an anonymous fashion.


Bubblejets often splatter a little bit, whereas LaserJets (given half-way decent
toner, like HP's "Microfine" stuff) don't.  Both produce very good output,
but you don't have to look too closely at the two to tell that LaserJet
output is definitely superior.

On the other hand, LaserJets which haven't been maintained properly and use
the cheapest toner the owner could find often produce awful output, much
worse than a bubblejet. :-)

One other thing... there are bubblejets, and then there are BubbleJets.
There are a few bubblejets out there that produce rather mediocre output
(such as HP's dinky little BubbleJet), whereas most produce really good
looking output (such as HP's DeskJets).  IBM and Canon both produce some of
the really good style bubblejets.

					---Joel Kolstad


False dichotomy.  You claimed the killing were *not* religiously
motivated, and I'm saying that's wrong.   I'm not saying that
each and every killing is religiously motivate, as I spelled out
in detail.

Does anyone else see the contradiction in this paragraph?

Sorry, Frank, but what I put in quotes is your own words from your
posting <1qi83b$ec4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>.  Don't tell us now that
it's a different claim.   If you can no longer stand behind your
original claim, just say so.


1993 World Championships in Germany:
 ====================================

   Group A standings (Munich)          Group B standings (Dortmund)
   --------------------------          ----------------------------

              GP  W T L GF-GA +/- P                  GP  W T L GF-GA +/- P

   Canada      2  2 0 0  6-1  +5  4    Czech republic 2  1 1 0  6-1  +5  3
   Russia      2  1 1 0  6-4  +2  3    Finland        2  1 1 0  3-1  +2  3
   Italy       2  1 1 0  3-2  +1  3    Germany        2  1 0 1  6-5  +1  2
   Sweden      2  1 0 1  2-4  -2  2    USA            2  0 2 0  2-2   0  2
   --------------------------------    -----------------------------------
   Austria     2  0 0 2  2-5  -3  0    France         1  0 0 1  0-2  -2  0
   Switzerland 2  0 0 2  0-3  -3  0    Norway         1  0 0 1  0-6  -6  0

 April 18:  Italy - Russia        2-2       Norway - Germany          0-6
            Sweden - Austria      1-0       USA - Czech republic      1-1

 April 19:  Canada - Switzerland  2-0
            Russia - Austria      4-2       Finland - France          2-0

 April 20:  Sweden - Canada       1-4       Czech republic - Germany  5-0
            Switzerland - Italy   0-1       Finland - USA             1-1

 April 21:                                  Germany - France		15:30
            Italy - Sweden                  Czech republic - Norway	20:00

 April 22:  Switzerland - Russia            USA - France		15:30
            Austria - Canada                Norway - Finland		20:00

 April 23:  Switzerland - Austria           Germany - Finland		20:00

 April 24:  Russia - Sweden                 Czech republic - France	15:30
            Canada - Italy                  USA - Norway		20:00

 April 25:  Sweden - Switzerland            Finland- Czech republic  	15:30
            Russia - Canada                 Germany - USA		20:00

 April 26:  Austria - Italy                 France - Norway		20:00

 PLAYOFFS:
 =========

 April 27:	Quarterfinals
		A #2 - B #3						15:30
		A #3 - B #2						20:00

 April 28:	Quarterfinals
		A #1 - B #4						15:30
		A #4 - B #1						20:00

 April 29:	Relegation
		A #5 - B #6						15:30
		A #6 - B #5						20:00

 April 30:	Semifinals
		A #1/B #4 - A #3/B #2					15:30
		A #4/B #1 - A #2/B #3					20:00

 May 1:		Relegation						14:30
		Bronze medal game 					19:00

 May 2:		FINAL							15:00


To all hardware and firmware gurus:

My current home project is to build a huge paddle keyboard for a
physically handicapped relative of mine.  My goal is for this keyboard
to look exactly like an AT sytle keyboard to its host system.
This will be a highly endowed keyboard with a Little PCL from Z World
at its heart.  The only thing I lack is detailed information on the
hardware signaling that the 486 (with  Windows 3.1  and DOS 5.0) will be
expecting.  My project is independant of Windows, my hope is that some of
you fellow Window's users/programmers will recognize what I need and be
willing to point me in the right direction.

I have The Winn L. Rosch Hardware Bible (2nd edition).  The HB gives
most (if not all) of the information I will need concerning scan codes
and even a wire diagram for the PS/2 style connector I will need, but it
leaves a number of important questions unanswered.
1.  Is it synchronous or asynchronous serial communication?  I'm
    guessing synchronous since the host is providing a clock.  In either
    event, how is the data framed?
2.  Is it half-duplex or truly one way?  I'm guessing half-duplex
    since the host can turn LEDs on and off.
3.  Are there any chipsets available for communicating with the "AT
    keyboard standard" (other than by cannibalizing a real keyboard)?

If anyone knows of a book or article (or any other written source of
information) on the above, please advise me at gamet@erg.sri.com.
Whatever I do it must be safe for I cannot afford to replace the 486 in
the event of a booboo.

Thank you for your time.
Danke fuer Ihre Zeit.


I don't know the exact meaning of UART, but I think it is something like
Universal Arithmetic Receiver Transmitter. Normally, the older boards have
a 8250 or 16450 UART on board. Those chips generate an IRQ for every char
they received. The 16550 UART has an internal 16 byte buffer, so - with the
right software installed - it generates an IRQ every 16 chars.

If you ran dos, you don't need a 16550, because dos runs only ONE task at a
time and the whole cpu-power could be used for the transfer. But if you are
running a multitasking OS such as OS/2, Unix, etc. ( windows ? :-) ), the
cpu cannot work the whole time with one task.

The result are lost characters or broken transmissions because of timeouts.

NO. The only diffrence is that internal modems have the UART on board,
whereas external modems are connected to the computer over a serial port
which has the UART on board.

I use a Zyxel1496B with a 16550UART under COHERENT 4.0. I'm very satisfied
with it but I think that nearly everyone is satisfied with his own modem.

Michael


It's only test message.


PC Magazine, January 12, 1993 had a review of several personal finance
management programe, as did PC-Computing, January 1993.  PC World,
December 1992 also had articles about Quicken and Managing Your Money.
I can email you copies of these articles if you can't find them at your
library.

I've been using Managing Your Money for several years, and I have
several friends who use Quicken, though I've not used it myself.  My
overall impression is that Quicken is a financial accounts manager
while Managing Your Money will help you more completely manage your
finances.

Here are some features that I believe Managing Your Money and Quicken share:

	The ability to keep records for each of your financial accounts:
	checking, savings, charge, cash, or brokerage.  You can reconcile
	your account statements with the records the program keeps.

	The ability to make a budget and track your spending against that
	budget.

	A Checkfree module which will allow you to use the Checkfree bill
	paying service to pay your bills via your modem.

	The ability to print checks on your printer.

	The ability to keep loan records and set up automatic loan payments.

	The ability to import stock quotations to keep your brokerage accounts
	up to date.  I know Managing Your Money can do this automatically
	via modem.  Quicken probably can as well, but I'm not sure about it.

	The ability to export tax information to popular tax preparation
	programs.

Here are some features that I believe Managing Your Money has that
Quicken does not:

	A tax prediction module.  This looks at your accounts and budget to
	predict your tax liability for the coming year.  It's usefull to fine
	tune your withholding so Uncle Sam doesn't get his due too early.

	An insurance and vital records module.  This is a place to keep
	records of your insurance policies as well as other vital records.
	It can also compute your life expectancy.

	A financial analysis module.  This computes compound interest,
	effects of inflation, loan payments term or interest, yield to
	maturity for bonds, savings account yields, days between dates, and
	loan amortization schedules.  It also has functions to help you
	decide whether to refinance your mortgage, whether you can afford
	a particular home, whether a particular rental property is a good
	investment, whether you should buy lease or rent, and whether
	a particular investment's cash flow is adequate for your situation.
	This module can also help you plan for retirement and for helping
	your kids with their tuition.

	A net worth module.  This is a place to record all your assets
	and liabilities.  Your net worth can be computed from this
	information.  Any assets or liabilities recorded in other modules
	are automatically included here.

	A "desk" module.  This includes a small word processor, a card file
	you can use to store names, addresses, phone numbers and other vital
	information about friends and associates, a perpetual calander, a
	rudimentary calculator, a to-do list, a reminder list, an appointment
	list, and a place to record your phone calls (for those who need to
	track such things).  Your appointments, reminders and to-do list
	can be made to display automatically when you start the program.

There are probably some things listed above that Quicken has, but I'm almost
sure that Quicken doesn't do everything I've listed.  If I'm wrong, I'm sure
hordes of Quicken devotees will flame me to a crisp.

One thing that Quicken has that Managing Your Money does not yet have is a
Windows version.  MECA software is rumored to be working on a Windows version
of Managing Your Money for release late this year.


Darius> Let me suggest this.  Maybe those who believe in the eternal
Darius> hell theory should provide all the biblical evidence they can
Darius> find for it.  Stay away from human theories, and only take
Darius> into account references in the bible.

Like most topics, we've been through this one before, but here is
a good start:  Matthew 25:46:

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous
to eternal life."

I may post more on this subject when I have more time.  In any
case, it is clear that the fate of the damned is most unpleasant,
and to be avoided.

David Wagner			"Sola Scriptura!"
a confessional Lutheran


Is it possible to run an MIT R5 based Xserver on a Sun with a Rasterops TC
Colorboard (24bit board)?  I have the Xsun24 patches for supporting sun's
24bit frame buffers but does the rasterops appear as if its a cgtwelve or
something else?  I know nothing about the rasterops other than we might be
buying one to put in an IPX.


Ummm...did you have any bikes other than that KX80? If not, I'd suggest you
look for an '89 ZX-7, since they only have about 90 horsepower, whereas the
'90 has over 100 and might be a bit much for you...

Sincerely,
Nathaniel


Prestone.  I buy it at ShopKo for less
than that a _gallon_.    BMW has even more
expensive stuff than Kawasaki (must be
from grapes only grown in certain parts of
the fatherland), but BMW Dave* said "Don't
worry about it -- just change it yearly and
keep it topped off".  It's been keeping
Gretchen happy  since '87, so I guess it's OK.

Kept my Rabbit's aluminum radiator hoppy for
12 years and 130,000 miles, too, so I guess
it's aluminum safe.

*Former owner of the late lamented Rochester
BMW Motorcycles and all around good guy.

--

   Pooder  -  Rochester, MN   -  DoD #591
 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
   "What Do *You* Care What Other People Think?" -- Richard Feynman
 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
   I share garage space with:   Gretchen - '86 K75   Harvey - '72 CB500


Hi folks,

Can anyone give me some information, the location of some
information, or some reference material for the following
file formats: WIFF, MO;DCA/IOCA, PCX.

If this is not quite the appropriate place to ask such
questions, please let me know a more appropriate one and
accept my apologies in advance.

Thanks for your help,


Has anyone heard of or Played Buzz Aldrin's Race into Space?

Does anyone know when it is expected to be released...?


Didn't Alicea get a hit, though?

See y'all at the ballyard
Go Braves
Chop Chop

Michael Mule'


I should be so lucky: the account number must have been rejected! :-)

To be accurate, it is "Big Bang Ben" MacDonald.

I hope not.  To think that I would inadvertantly give any pleasure to
Mulroney _really_ ruins my day.  PS: Matthew Wall: a marvellous ending
to the section on the Expos.

or VINCE@VAXI.SSCL.UWO.CA; please identify any messages with the
subject line BBDDD

Realizing the taterific importance of this work, John Palmer and I
concluded that we might be able to pool some resources. I have not yet
gone through the archives that Jonathan sent to me; when I do, I will
send out an "official" introduction to the Deep Drive Derby.

However, I wonder if we need to rename the project, now that the
principal investigator and research archive have changed. Send your
suggestions for a rename of the study to me, at the address given
above.

And, just think:  it's opening day.  Soon, the balls will be flying
out (no, get your minds out of the gutter) of the ball parks, and
helpless bystanders will be injured by balls reentering the
atmosphere. (and you thought that meteorite showers were made of
rocks!)

Who will be the stars this year? Can anyone hope to combat Brad
Arnsberg's record start to last year?

The season is young, the balls newly rubbed in mud, the hot dogs
starting to boil for the rest of the year. Play ball (and take cover).

And may all your sliders hang.


I've heard it said that the accounts we have of Christs life and
ministry in the Gospels were actually written many years after the event.
(About 40 years or so). Is this correct?? If so, why the big time delay??
I know all scripture is inspired of God, so the time of writing is I suppose
un-important, but I still can't help be curious!

---------------------------------------------------
Ivan Thomas Barr

Contact me at u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk

[The Gospels aren't dated, so we can only guess.  Luke's prolog is
about the only thing we have from the author describing his process.
The prolog sounds like Luke is from the next generation, and had to do
some investigating.  There are traditions passed down verbally that
say a few things about the composition of the Gospels.  There are
debates about how reliable these traditions are.  They certainly don't
have the status of Scripture, yet scholars tend to take some of them
seriously.  One suggests that Mark was based on Peter's sermons, and
was written to preserve them when Peter had died or way about to die.
One tradition about Matthew suggests that a collection of Jesus words
may have been made earlier than the current Gospels.

In the ancient world, it was much more common to rely on verbal
transmission of information.  I think many people would have preferred
to hear about Jesus directly from someone who had known him, and maybe
even from someone who studied directly under such a person, rather
than from a book.  Thus I suspect that the Gospels are largely from a
period when these people were beginning to die.  Scholars generally do
think there was some written material earlier, which was probably used
as sources for the existing Gospels.

Establishing the dates is a complex and technical business.  I have to
confess that I'm not sure how much reliance I'd put on the methods
used.  But it's common to think that Mark was written first, around 64
AD., and that all of the Gospels were written by the end of the
Century.  A few people vary this by a decade or so one way or the
other.


Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason
is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is
"No Big Deal". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort
children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised
when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the
message they hear is "Life is Cheap"!


This might be a silly question but I have to ask it anyway. I am in
the process of purchasing an EISA/VL Bus 486 DX2-66 computer and I
found two places that sell machines that have what I want and have the
same price. The first is Ares and they use a Cache motherboard (that's
the brand of the motherboard) with OPTI chip set, the other is Micron
(formerly Edge Technology) and they use the Micronics EISA/VLB
motherboard.

I said that this might be a silly question since I believe that
Micronics is a very well known motherboard manufacturer while I never
heard of Cache! I am however leaning towards the Ares machine because
my impression is that they are known for building good, solid machines
and they have good tech support (24 hr, 7 days/wk), and a better
warrantee (2 years).  Micron, on the other hand, seems to have
recently aquired Edge Technologies and I'm not sure how much I should
trust the company.

I would REALLY appreciate any input on this. Is the Micron machine the
clear choice?  Does anyone know anything positive or negative about
either company? Has anyone ever heard of Cache motherboards? Should I
go with Micron just because it has the Micronics motherboard? etc.

Thanks very much in advance for any information.


Anyone who can repeate this choice piece of tripe without checking
his/her sources does not deserve to be believed.  The Gaza strip does
not possess the highest population density in the world.  In fact, it
isn't even close.  Just one example will serve to illustrate the folly
of this statement:  the city of Hong Kong has nearly ten times the
population of the Gaza strip in a roughly comparable land area.  The
centers of numerous cities also possess comparable, if not far higher,
population densities.  Examples include Manhattan Island (NY City), Sao
Paolo, Ciudad de Mexico, Bombay,...

Need I go on?  The rest of Mr. Davidsson's message is no closer to the
truth than this oft-repeated statement is.


  Do I smell .sig material here?

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM

They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.


: >Compiled from the last five Defensive Average reports, here are the career
: >DAs for the individual players in the reports.  Stats are courtesy of
: >Sherri Nichols.  Players are listed in descending order.

: And some comments, with some players deleted.

: >Third Basemen
: >-------------
: >Leius, Scott         ----  ----  ----  .653  .680   0.672
: Looks good.  Too bad he's moving to short.

: >Pagliarulo, Mike     .631  ----  .575  .744  ----   0.649
: This is an interesting line.  His 1988 figure was slightly below average.
: His 1990 was pathetic, and his 1991 was the next best year by anybody.  Part of
: that may be his mobility.  1988 was with the Yankees.  1990 was with the
: Padres, who appear to have a rotten infield.  1991 was with the Twins, and
: judging by Leius and Gaetti, the Metrodome may be a good place to play
: third.

Gaetti, Gary         .616  .638  .655  .632  ----   0.637

Apologies if I don't know what I'm talking about :-), but as a Twins fan,
I like to think they have good players in any park.  Not sure if I remember
completely or not, but I think Gaetti played with the Twins in '87 for the
world series, and again in '88 (note that's his lowest of the 4).  I believe
the next 3 (or at least the last two) were played with the Angels.   Lots
of factors make a player excell...  I hate it when so many use the dome.
It may not be ideal, but nice to comfortably enjoy baseball and football
even when it's snowing and raining.

-Craig


I don't think anyone is arguing that there would be no effect. But
there would be no _net_ _positive_ effect. You also have to
consider the negative side: Law abiding citizens, armed with
fireamrs (pistols for the most part), prevent between 80,000
(National Crime Survey) and 1,000,000 (Dr. Kleck) crimes
each year. (Those are the extremes. Most studies find
the number to be 500,000 to 600,000.) About 1% of those crimes are
homicides, so private ownership of firearms _saves_ approximately
5,000 lives each year. There are roughly 12,000 criminal homicides
and fatal accidents involving guns each year. For there to
be any net benefit, you would have to show that gun control measures
would disarm over 40% of the criminals currently using guns.
That would be very hard to do: According the the federal BATF,
only 8% of criminals buy their guns over the counter. Since
gun control laws, by their very nature, only effect legal
sales, such a law would remove all the benefits of armed,
law-abiding citizens while having only a minimal effect on
armed criminals (who, by and large, get their guns illegally.)
That doesn't sound like a net benefit to me.

Since most were with licensed weapons, I assume you are not
supporting "reasonable" laws (i.e. waiting periods, background
checks, licenses, etc...). Since only a complete ban would
alter the statistic you refer to, I assume that's what you
are supporting.

By the way, 1135 people dies in 1986 from falling down stairs.
250 accidental handgun deaths isn't significant next to
other household accidents.

1080 children under the age of 10 died by drowning, 69 from
drinking poisonous household chemicals (like Drano), 139 from
falls. If the real goal is to reduce the tragic, accidental
deaths of children, wouldn't a ban on drain cleaners be a
better palce to start? (Or, perhaps, restricting ownership to
professionals like plumbers?)

While you might call it "emphasis", refering to completely two
statistics in the same sentence _implies_ a comparison. If it
isn't valid, and you put the numbers together to convince people
you are right, the kindest thing I could call it is propaganda.


In fact, you can all direct your ire at the proper target by ingoring NASA
altogether.  The rocket is a commercial launch vechicle - a Conestoga flying
a COMET payload.  NASA is simply the primary customer.  I believe SDIO has a
small payload as well.  The advertising space was sold by the owners of the
rocket, who can do whatever they darn well please with it.  In addition, these
anonymous "observers" had no reason to be startled.  The deal made Space News
at least twice.

I think its only fair to find that out before everyone starts having a hissy
fit.  The fact that they bothered to use the conditional tense suggests that
it has not yet been approved.


In defense of the drivers, who are in the right lane.  Here in the states, people simply do not expect when they are driving to be overtaken at a speed differential of 50+mph.  I don't think this is because they are stupid (of course, there are exceptions), they are just programmed because of the 55mph limit. Do you (in the states) when you look in the rear-view ALWAYS calculate future  positions of cars based on a 50+ speed differential.

Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake
cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the judgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one.


Absolutely, if I were assured by someone I trusted that the black box was
more secure. I have nothing to conceal from the government, but I would like
to be sure that any Russian, Japanese, French, or other competitors for my
services can't read my traffic. I'd like to be sure that competitive bid
information was safe from commercial competitors and foreign governments
which would aid them.

I believe the NSA has identical motivations with respect to my activities.
The President and many other senior government officials have made it very
clear that they share these motivations. Thus I'd trust them on the
"coincidence of interests" argument as well as on a basic trust in their
professionalism and a high confidence in their skills.

David


Is anybody out there willing to discuss with me careers in the Army that deal
with space?  After I graduate, I will have a commitment to serve in the Army,
and I would like to spend it in a space-related field.  I saw a post a long
time ago about the Air Force Space Command which made a fleeting reference to
its Army counter-part.  Any more info on that would be appreciated.  I'm
looking for things like: do I branch Intelligence, or Signal, or other?  To
whom do I voice my interest in space?  What qualifications are necessary?
Etc, etc.  BTW, my major is computer science engineering.

Please reply to ktj@reef.cis.ufl.edu


	Bzzzt! Thanks for playing.  If he'd been making a right
	turn, the sucker would have been a couple feet off the
	ground.

					Michael


Whatever you say.  I think it's just 12 games into the season myself, so
I'm going to wait a bit before calling names.

I expect that Dave Otto will be a really bad pitcher, and I have no
idea why Simmons ever wanted him.  On the other hand, I expect him to
release Otto if he doesn't turn things around pretty fast.  (BTW,
Otto's game score for that 0 IP stinker was only 22, which points out
a problem with the method since Otto's performance was infinitely bad,
and excruciatingly prolonged.)

I think Merced's rookie year was a bit flukey, but aren't you willing to
give him some more at bats (and Tomlin a few more starts) before acting
so gloomy?

No he didn't.  Walk is a time bomb.  He has no stuff whatsoever, and when
the league finally realizes this, it won't be pretty at all.

Don't be so fast.  Doughty is the guy who signed Steve Buechele, which
was a move that threatened to bury Kevin Young in the minors.
Meanwhile, I'm not sure whether Doughty or Simmons signed Martin as a
six-year free agent before the 1992 season.

Twice through the rotation, and you've given up?  Yikes.

But so has his age, at least in baseball terms.  The useful half-life
of a 34- year-old injury-prone catcher can't be much longer than a year.

But he wanted to be a Dodger, and felt he had something to prove after his
disastrous 1992.  I don't think there was any chance for the Bucs to sign
him.

He certainly wasn't last year.

Hey, that's the "Skates Smith" package deal.  Anybody who acquires
Lonnie for his defense or base-running (particularly at this stage) is
a real weirdo.

If that's the goal of the team ownership, than I don't see why Sauer
gets a zero for making his boss happy.  I don't know what he has or
hasn't said about revenue sharing, so I can't comment there.

It's annoying, but since Leyland seems to have been pushing for them
to retain Jeff King, it was probably unavoidable.  Meanwhile, I think
bigger accomplishments of Simmons' tenure were getting some value for
John Smiley, not trading real prospects for veterans down the stretch
last year, drafting well in 1992, letting the rookies show something
in 1993.  Foley, Smith, and Candelaria were acquired to be replacement
parts, which means that even if fail it hasn't done serious damage to
the Bucs' future.

Does this mean that the Bucs lost the initial arbitration case?  I
never heard the outcome of this.  When will the final verdict be in on
this?

I'm not sure who was the idiot in this case, so I don't know who to
blame.  It might have been Doug Danforth, after all.  In fact, I
*seriously* suspect it was Doug Danforth, who has shown his
willingness to call the shots at exactly those moments when the gun is
pointed at his feet.

(btw--I've wondered whether my latest posts have been getting
off-site, so if somebody known to impersonate e.e. cummings can see
this, would he drop me a short note?)


I need the file format for cc:Mail file formats - it seems to be PCX-based,
but with a twist: only the first page of a multi-page fax will come out
readable. The other pages disappear. The format seems to be 'proprietary'.

Anybody got any clues? I have to give my email FAXes to my secretary in
order to get 'em unscrambled. I want a filter from cc:Mail to .p[nb]m.

Come to think of it, p[nb]m to cc:Mail would be nice too.


<discussion deleted>

MY HOCKEY EDUCATION?  What the f--- are you talking about?  I'm
not even going to try to refute this absolutely insane statement.

"I hate the Habs" ?...you sound like a 10-year old.  This
statement is just further exemplifies your total inability to
argue objectively about hockey.  Don't give me this crap about
"cogent arguments"...I've yet to read something of yours that is
cogent.  You consistently argue with: (1) emotion; (2) huge,
sweeping statements

Frankly, you have a very unconvincing style.

I'm not defending Bob Gainey...frankly, I don't care for him all
that much.  But your dismissal of him as something less than an
effective hockey player is tiresome...it has no basis in
anything.  How many Calders did he win? I think it was four (go
ahead and refresh my memory).  What about the Conn Smythe?  Was
that a fluke?  Yeah, not the makings of a hockey superstar, I
know, but try to have a reason, any reason, to shoot him down.

Hey cowboy!  You're the "expert" who introduced the idiotic
comparison of Gainey with Gretzky and Lemieux...you figure it
out.

How many individual awards between them? Eight...I don't remember
(once again, please feel free to refresh my memory...and try to
be as sarcastic as possible about my "hockey education").

OH MY GOD!!!  Did I say that?  Roger...what's your point?  Fuhr
is a goaltender, goaltender's don't "plug"...in his prime, he was
one of the best.  Sanderson was a scrapper...if you stick him on
you may as well include half the Flyers team of the same era.

Oh Roger, you shouldn't...really.  I don't deserve this...you are
far too accomodating already.

You seem to have allowed all of these other players fall into
your sweeping, vacuous statement...that's why.  If you want to
debate Gainey, go ahead...but why bring up everybody else?  How
does it support your argument?  Do you have an argument, or do
you just like to throw around a few names hoping to impress us?

Great.  I couldn't agree more.  The Flyers won two cups for the
same reasons...deservedly so.  So what?  I don't get it.  Are you
angry that the Leafs didn't get more recognition?

You seem to think these pluggers are "hyped"...I don't
agree...plain and simple.  If you're last statement is some sort
of compromise, fair enough.

Not a pleasant bone in your body, eh Rog?  Why are you so
unhappy?  Not getting invited to enough parties?  What?

Roger, why are you under the impression that responding to your
posts is some great honour?  You really should stop...it sounds
a little bit pathetic.  Frankly, it's about as honourable as a
good fart.

congenially, as always,

jd

--
James David
j3david@student.business.uwo.ca/s


->	First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian.  It
->makes sense to be one.  Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar,
->lunatic, or the real thing?  (I might be a little off on the title, but he
->writes the book.  Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity,
->in the process he became a Christian himself.

Sounds like you are saying he was a part of some conspiracy.  Just what organization did he
belong to? Does it have a name?

->	The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a
->modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was.

Logic alert - artificial trifercation.  The are many other possible explainations.  Could have been
that he never existed.  There have been some good points made in this group that is not
impossible  that JC is an amalgam of a number of different myths, Mithra comes to mind.

->	Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows.  Who would
->die for a lie?  Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar?  People
->gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing
->someone who was or had been healed.  Call me a fool, but I believe he did
->heal people.

Logic alert -  argument from incredulity.  Just because it is hard for you to believe this doesn't
mean that it isn't true.  Liars can be very pursuasive, just look at Koresh that you yourself site.
He has followers that don't think he is a fake and they have shown that they are willing to die.
By not giving up after getting shot himself, Koresh has shown that he too is will to die for what
he believes.  As far as healing goes.  If I rememer right the healing that was attributed is not
consistent between the different gospels.  In one of them the healing that is done is not any more
that faith healers can pull off today.  Seems to me that the early gospels weren't that compeling,
so the stories got bigger to appeal better.

->	Niether was he a lunatic.  Would more than an entire nation be drawn
->to someone who was crazy.  Very doubtful, in fact rediculous.  For example
->anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see
->this right away.
->	Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the
->real thing.

Or might not have existed, or any number of things.  That is the logical pitfall that those who
use flawed logic like this fall into.  There are bifurcations (or tri, quad, etc) that are valid, because
in the proceeding steps, the person shows conclusively that the alternatives are all that are
possible.  Once everyone agrees that the given set is indeed all there are, then arguments among
the alternatives can be presentent, and one mostly likely to be true can be deduced by excluding
all other possible alternatives.

However, if it can be shown that the set is not all inclusive, then any conclusions bases on the
incomplete set are invalid, even if the true choice is one of the original choices.  I have given at
least one valid alternative, so the conclusion that JC is the real McCoy just because he isn't one of
the other two alternative is no longer valid.

->	Some other things to note.  He fulfilled loads of prophecies in
->the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone.  This in his betrayal
->and Crucifixion.  I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I
->write I will use it.

JC was a rabbi.  He knew what those prophecies were.  It wouldn't be any great shakes to make
sure one does a list of actions that would fullfill prophecy.  What would be compeling is if there
were a set of clear and explicit prophecies AND JC had absolutely NO knowledge of then,  yet
fullfilled them anyway.

->	I don't think most people understand what a Christian is.  It
->is certainly not what I see a lot in churches.  Rather I think it
->should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's
->sake.  He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the
->same.  Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives
->over to him.  That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a
->real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at.  But
->just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes
->time.  We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life.
->It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in
->a while.  We box everything into time units.  Such as work at this
->time, sports, Tv, social life.  God is above these boxes and should be
->carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for
->ourselves.

Here I agree with you.  Anyone who buys into this load of mythology should take what it says
seriously, and what it says is that it must be a total way of life.  I have very little respect for
Xians that don't.  If the myth is true, then it is true in its entirity.  The picking and choosing
that I see a lot of leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Jim

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"Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge, other people gargle"


The most ridiculous example of VR-exploitation I've seen so far is the
"Virtual Reality Clothing Company" which recently opened up in Vancouver. As
far as I can tell it's just another "chic" clothes spot. Although it would be
interesting if they were selling "virtual clothing"....

E-mail me if you want me to dig up their phone # and you can probably get
some promotional lit.


That depends entirely upon the advertiser whose number you circled.
Radio Electronics compiles all of the cards, then each advertiser
gets a computer printout of the names and addresses of all of the readers
who circled their number. Some magazines also provide the data on
self-adhesive labels, and the really big magazines provide the
data on computer disk.

The advertiser decides what to do with the data they get. You will
notice that the Radio Electronics information card (commonly called
a "bingo card" in the industry) includes lines for a company name
and a business phone number. My guess would be that the big, national
advertisers make a distinction between hobbiests and professionals as
best they can. For example, if you include Motorola as your company
and include a business phone (and a mail stop), Tektronics will probably
send you a copy of their hard-bound catalog and have a sales engineer
call you about a week later. If you leave it blank, odds are they
will send you a slick brochure and direct you to a local retail
outlet. Medium and small companies are more likely to send you th
e whole catalog. And then some companies, like Digikey or Jameco, have
nothing to mail out accept the catalog.

A couple of other interesting points about bingo cards: Free, industry
magazines like EDN and such also log your card to their computer. They
use the information at least three ways. They note that you really do read
the magazine and are more likely to continue your subscription or push
you, through repeated mailings, to re-subscribe. They also compile
how many people requested which data for their marketing demographics.
This way thay can tell a prospective advertiser that "23% of readers
requesting data were interested in capacitors." And finally, some
magazines rent lists of readers who request certain information. For
example, Tektronics can rent a list of everyone who requested information
about test equipment OTHER THAN TEKTRONIC's, in the past 6 months.

The other point, in the data the advertiser receives, many magazines
include how many items you circled on the card. If they want, the
advertiser can attempt to cull out the "literature collectors" from
the serious potential customers.

"Can you say qualified sales leads? I thought you could."

What's the BEST way for a hobbiest to deal with bingo cards?

  Never circle more than 8 number on the card. If you want more
  than 8 items, use the second card and mail it a couple of
  weeks later.

  If you are really, really serious and you really, really want
  the information, CALL THE ADVERTISER AND ASK! This will also
  cut about 15 days off the the response time. Virtually
  everyone takes a voice on the phone more seriously than data
  on a computer printout.

  To help insure you keep getting a trade magazine that you're
  not really "qualified" for, send in a bingo card at least every
  other month and circle two or three numbers.

  Include a business name and phone number, even if it's your house.
  Advertisers almost never call.


-> > But, do you knew how much organization is required to training a large
-> > group of poeple twice a year.  Just to try to get the same people
-> > every year, provide a basic training to new people so they can
-> > be integrated into the force, and find a suitable location, it
-> > requires a continually standing committee of organizers.
->
-> Again, my response is, "so what?"  Is Mr. Rutledge arguing that since
-> the local and federal governments have abandoned their charter to support
-> such activity, and passed laws prohibiting private organizations from
-> doing so, that they have eliminated the basis for the RKBA?   On the
-> contrary, to anyone who understands the game, they have strengthened it.

No, I originally argued that the Second Amendment was "a little bit
and an anachronism."  These prohibiting laws are examples why the are
an anachronism.  After all, laws in made by representatives of the
people.  These representatives of the people have already decided
that the Second Amendment does not apply or is too broad in some
cases.  Since these representatives feel an unconditional
interpretation is not wanted, then it is probable that they majority
of the people feel the same way.  If this is so, it is an example
of the people using their power of government.  If this is not
how the people feel, the people should stand up and state their wishes.

-> RKBA is dependent on the existence of a top-flight, well-regulated
-> militia.  Why this is a false assumption has already been posted a
-> number of times.

No, I simple stated that the people have a right to "join a well
organized militia."  And I have also stated that a militia that
meets once or twice a year is clearly "well organized."  And this
state of readiness that I have claimed the people have a "right"
to, is the same state of readiness expected of the militia as stated
by Hamilton.


Dear Xperts:

  I want to place a specific group of icons in an icon box and
have my other icons appear outside of the box.  Does anyone
know if there's a way I can do this??  I'm using X11R5 and
Motif 1.2.1.


Thanks for the Update.


I didnot know that "Master of wisdom" can be "name clling" too,
unless you consider yourself deserve-less !

That was only to confuse you! (ha ha ha hey )

	       ^^^^^^^ are you trying to retaliate and confuse me here.

First, my above statement doesnot say that "the existence of israeli citizens
in the WB revoke their right of life" but it says "the israeli occupation
of the WB revoke the right of life for some/most its citizens - basically
revokes the right of for its military men". Clearly, occupation is an
undeclared war; during war, attacks against military targets are fully legitimate.

Secondly, surely israeli have human rights, but they ask their goverment to
protect it by withdrawing from the occupied terretories, not by further oppressing
Palestinean human rights.

Because not all states are like Israel, as oppressive, as ignorant, or as tyrant.

   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So you agree that that an israeli solution wouldnot preserve human rights.
(i am understanding this from your first statement in this paragraph).

Exactly, you are right. I guess that the problem is that the israeli goverment
is full with  men like Joseph Weitz.

Above you wrote that you understood what i meant (underlined by ^ ):
any system can be used to solve the conflict , but not any system would
resolve it JUSTLY.

You are proving yourself as a " ". First you understood what i meant, but then
you claim you didnot so to claim a contradiction in my logic. Too bad for you,
the Master of Wisdom.

Why do you feel ashamed by things and facts that you believe in , if you were a
Zionists. If you believe in Zionist codes and acts, well i feel sorry for you,
because the same Rabbi Shoham had said "Yes, Zionism is racism".
If you feel ashamed and bothered by the Zionist codes, then drop Zionism.
If you are not Zionist, why are you bothered then. You should join me in
condemning these racist Zionist codes and acts.

Hasan


And I recommend the movie _The Thin Blue Line_, which is about the
same case.  Not as much legal detail, but still an excellent film.  It
shows how very easy it is to come up with seemingly conclusive
evidence against someone whom you think is guilty.


# #The official and legal term for rape is "the crime of forcing a FEMALE
# #to submit to sexual intercourse."
#
# Please, supply me with some references.  I was not aware that all states
# had the word "FEMALE" in the rape statutes.  I am sure others are surprised
# as well.  I know thats how it works in practice (nice-n-fair, NOT!!), but
# was unaware that it was in the statutes as applying to FEMALES only,
# uniformly throughout the U.S.
#
# -Chris

There may be some confusion here.  The Uniform Crime Reports program
run by the FBI defines rape as a female victim only crime -- even
though some states have the laws de-sexed.  I suspect that this causes
male victims of rape to be left out of the UCR data.


Huh?    Did this guy just invent wreck.motorcycles?

	Curious minds want to know.


[stuff deleted...]

That's like saying that, since mathematics includes no instructions on
how to act, it is evil.  Atheism is not a moral system, so why should
it speak of instructions on how to act?  *Atheism is simply lack of
belief in God*.

  Plenty of theists

I think the argument that a particular theist system causes genocide
can be made more convincingly than an argument that atheism causes genocide.
This is because theist systems contain instructions on how to act,
and one or more of these can be shown to cause genocide.  However, since
the atheist set of instructions is the null set, how can you show that
atheism causes genocide?
--
David Choweller (davec@silicon.csci.csusb.edu)

There are scores of thousands of human insects who are
ready at a moment's notice to reveal the Will of God on
every possible subject.          --George Bernard Shaw.


Not to be too snide about it, but I think this Christianity must
   be a very convenient religion, very maliable and suitable for
   any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants
   to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and
   reinterpret the bits that don't match with one's desires.  It
   is, in fact, so convenient that, were I capable of believing
   in a god, I might consider going for some brand of Christianity.
   The only difficulty left then, of course, is picking which sect
   to join.  There are just so many.

   Dean Kaflowitz

Yes, Christianity is convenient.  Following the teachings of Jesus
Christ and the Ten Commandments is convenient.  Trying to love in a
hateful world is convenient.  Turning the other cheek is convenient.  So
convenient that it is burdensome at times.

Dave.


Hi.

I use Emacs and I want to customize my keyboard better.
When I set up stuff in my .emacs with a keymap and define-keys,
I can only access certain of the keys on my X-Terminal's
keyboard. I can't get e.g. F10, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn; they all
seem to have either the same or no keycode. I have a feeling
this can't be fixed in emacs itself, but that I need to do some
xmodmap stuff. Can someone help me?

By the way, I've checked the X-FAQ and posted a similar message
to gnu.emacs.help to no response.

Currently I have the following in my .emacs file (inside a 'cond'):

 ((string-match "^xterm" (getenv "TERM"))
;; done by aj 8/92. I don't know what most of this does...
   (defvar xterm-map (make-sparse-keymap) "Keymap for xterm special keys")
   (define-key esc-map "[" 'xterm-prefix)
   (fset 'xterm-prefix xterm-map)
  ;;Keys F1 to F12
   (define-key xterm-map "224z" 'goto-line)        ;F1
   (define-key xterm-map "225z" 'what-line)        ;F2
   (define-key xterm-map "226z" 'rmail)            ;F3
   (define-key xterm-map "227z" 'replace-string)   ;F4
   (define-key xterm-map "228z" 'end-of-line)      ;F5
   (define-key xterm-map "229z" 'kill-line)        ;F6
   (define-key xterm-map "230z" 'yank)             ;F7
   (define-key xterm-map "231z" 'beginning-of-line);F8
   (define-key xterm-map "232z" 'end-of-line)      ;F9
   (define-key xterm-map "192z" 'scroll-down)      ;F11
   (define-key xterm-map "193z" 'scroll-up)        ;F12
 ;;Keys F10, up, down, etc. ??????? can't get the keys
   (define-key xterm-map "-1z" 'set-mark-command))
)


The scenario and genocide staged by the Armenians 78 years ago in
x-Soviet Armenia is being reenacted again - this time in Azerbaijan.

The stories of survivors of Karabag massacre are in 'Milliyet' today.

69 year old Hatin Nine telling:

-''My Twin grandchildren were cut to pieces in front of my eyes. They told
me: We won't kill you. But the babies have to die in front of your eyes.''

72 year old Huseyin Ibrahimoglu:

- ''Our Turkish village in Khojalu Town was blown up in two hours.
  Turks, you must die.''

28 year old Gulsum Huseyin:

- ''They bayonetted my 3 year old daughter in her stomach in front of
    my eyes.''

Are these stories lies? Have the eye-witnesses been day-dreaming?
Were these stories forged by Turkish journalists in the region?

The nonsense of such a claim is clear from the writings of British
Journalists, too. Two days before we had quoted from a Sunday Times
article. They[British] reported the events in Karabag even before
Turkish journalists. What is more here are the pictures. Pictures
of people who were bayonetted, whose eyes were gouged, ears cut off.

Even the Armenian Radio couldn't claim these "lies." They are saying
"exaggeration." That means ''somethings'' have happened but the
situation is not as bad as reported. Perhaps that village of Khojalu
town was destroyed in 4 hours, instead of 2... Or Gulsum Huseyin's
3 year old daughter was bayonetted in her chest instead of stomach...

The massacre is clearly seen with all its dimensions. The effects of
this massacre on Karabag and environs cannot be reduced by any word.

Some of the western press', led by some French Newspapers, ability
to ''close their eyes'' is nothing but complicity in this massacre.

Yesterday we gave samples from Le Figaro. Until yesterday's print
no news about the real events in Karabag were printed. So were the
French TV channels.. The subject they considered related to Karabag
was ''The necessity of protecting Armenians against Azeri attacks.''

The age we are living in is termed a human rights age. There are lots
of organizations such as United Nations and CSCE(Conference on Security
and Cooperation in Europe), and rules, all designed to fight against human
rights violations. International reactions must be made with international
cooperation. With support of everybody and every organization claiming
to be civilized.

Could there be a more serious human rights violation than that of the
right to live -and with such levels of barbarity and cruelty-? Where
is the cooperation? Where are the reactions? And the intellectuals,
journalists, writers, TV stations of certain western countries such
as France who are fast to claim leadership of "human rights?"
Where are you?

Serdar Argic


For those Leaf fans who are concerned, the following players are slated for
return on Thursday's Winnipeg-Toronto game :
    Peter Zezel, John Cullen

  Mark Osborne and Dave Ellett are questionable to return on Thursday.


Ah, there's the rub.  And a catch-22 to boot.  For the purposes of a
contest, you'll probably not compete if'n you can't afford the ride to get
there.  And although lower priced delivery systems might be doable, without
demand its doubtful that anyone will develop a new system.  Course, if a
low priced system existed, there might be demand...

I wonder if there might be some way of structuring a contest to encourage
low cost payload delivery systems.  The accounting methods would probably
be the hardest to work out.  For example, would you allow Rockwell to
'loan' you the engines?  And so forth...

This depends on the how soon the new launch system comes on line.  In other
words, perhaps a great deal of worthwhile technology (life support,
navigation, etc.) could be developed prior to a low cost launch system.
You wouldn't want to use the expensive stuff forever, but I'd hate to see
folks waiting to do anything until a low cost Mac, oops, I mean launch
system comes on line.

I guess I'd simplify this to say that 'waste' is a slippery concept.  If
your goal is manned lunar exploration in the next 5 years, then perhaps its
not 'wasted' money.  If your goal is to explore the moon for under $500
million, then you should put of this exploration for a decade or so.

Craig


Well, yes and no.  I don't particularly want this discussion to spark
a lengthy debate, but I do think it's worth pointing out that "popular
usage" is not always sufficient excuse.

In this case, for example, I think an appropriate parallel may be found
in the pronunciation of proper names: if people commonly misspelled or
mispronounced your name, would you feel compelled to change it?  Probably
not.

The same is true of X.  "The X Window System", "X", "X11", and related
monickers are proper names in the same sense that any product name is a
proper name.  In fact, some of them are *trademarked* names.  The fact
that many people get them wrong is largely beside the point.

As for the trade publications that promulgate things like "X Window" or
"X.windows" or any of the other nonsensical variants one often sees,
consider the fact that these publications are supposedly written by
*journalists*.  Would you trust the facts of a journalist who couldn't
be bothered to get the name of his/her source right?  Would you trust
a product review by someone who got the name of the product wrong?

Popular usage is as it may be, but I for one am all for holding people
who claim to be journalists to a higher standard of correctness.


I need definitions of the SPEC and Dhrystone benchmarks. Any background
material would also be welcome.

If anyoneand email something to me or point me to an anonymous FTP server
I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

Al Dykes


ML> From: libman@hsc.usc.edu (Marlena Libman)
ML> I need advice with a situation which occurred between me and a physican
ML> which upset me.

ML> My questions: (1) Should I continue to have this doctor manage my care?

That's easy:  No.  You wouldn't take your computer into a repair
shop where they were rude to you, even if they were competent in
their business.  Why would you take your own body into a "repair
shop" where the "repairman" has such a bad attitude?


  Hello, I know that this has been discussed before.  But at the time
I didn't need to teselate a sphere.  So if any kind soul has the code
or the alg, that was finally decided upon as the best (as I recall it
was a nice, iterative subdivision meathod), I would be very
appreciative.
							Thomas DeWeese
deweeset@rdrc.rpi.edu


Try this:

char *name=NULL;
unsigned long value;

if(XGetFontProperty(font, XA_FONT, value))
    name=XGetAtomName(dpy, value);

where dpy is your Display connection and font your XFontStruct pointer.


The fantasy was that he had found something of fundamental importance to
one of the hot questions of the day ('77).  He really had very little
reason to believe it, other than raw hope.  By fantasy, I certainly don't
mean Velikovskian manias.

I'm not familiar with the history of this experiment, although, arguably,
I should be.

I think that it is enough if his contemporaries found the result surprising.
That's not what I'd quibble about.  What I'd like to know are Toricelli's
reasons for doing his experiment; not the post hoc _constructed_ reasons,
but the thoughts in his head as he considered the problem.  It may be
impossible to know much about Toricelli's thoughts; that's too bad if
it is so.  One of Root-Bernstein's services to science is that he has gone
rooting about in Pasteur's and Fleming's (and other people's) notes, and has
discovered some surprising clues about their motivations.  Pasteur never
publicly admitted his plan to create mirror-image life, but the dreams are
right there in his notebooks (finally public after many years), ready for
anyone to read.  And I and my friends often have the most ridiculous
reasons for pursuing results; one of my best came because I was mad at
a colleague for a poorly-written claim (I disproved the claim).

Of course, Toricelli's case may be an example of a rarety: where the
fantasy not only motivates the experiment, but turns out to be right
in the end.

Mark


I don't think that this is accurate. I believe, and could be wrong, that
there IS a specific right allegedly to have been violated, like the
14th or due process or whatever.

Double jeopardy does not apply, but not for the reasons you quote. Double
jeopardy states that a person may not be tried twice on the same charge.
However, the police are not on trial for the crime of excessive force
or assault. They are NOW on trial for the DIFFERENT crime of violating
Mr. King's civil rights.

AS for the city and county or state trying you more than once,
it most likely will not happen. This is because cities and states
have separate laws governing behaviour. For example, in some states,
it is an offence to carry marijuana, but not a city offence. Also,
I think murder is against federal, but not some state laws.


was...


I am 35 and am recovering from a case of Chicken Pox which I contracted
from my 5 year old daughter.  I have quite a few of these little puppies
all over my bod.  At what point am I no longer infectious?  My physician's
office says when they are all scabbed over.  Is this true?

Is there any medications which can promote healing of the pox?  Speed up
healing?  Please e-mail replies, and thanks in advance.


OK, you asked for it!

I guess that doesn't bode well for the Cubs then does it?


OK Phil, you're right. So far the "evidence" suggests that Nixon was a victim
of overzealous underlings and Kennedy was a womanizing disgust-o-blob with
a dash of megalomania. After crushing the CIA and FBI who's to say Kennedy
wouldn't have created his own version of American Friendly Fascism?

Unfortunately however, we don't have all the evidence. So far this nation's
citizens have been privy to about 12 hours of the total 4,000 hours of Nixon's
tapes. What's on the rest of those babies? Some archivists have alluded that
there is "evidence" to suggest that Nixon and his cronies, including George
Bush, were aware of the plot to murder Kennedy before he was shot in Dallas.

Ask your local D.A. what the charges are for the above crime.

And so I must ask you, Phil me putz, when all this shit finally comes out
when you and I are old men, I would appreciate the privilege of sticking a pole
up your ass and parading you down Main Street with a sign on your chest:

"I was an Apologist for the American Fascist Regime circa 1944 -- 2010"

(How's that for a lovely Brecht-ian image:-)

There, that ought to get a reaction. Unless I'm in his killfile this week...


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Cross-posted and with followups directed to talk.politics.theory.

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In other words, we should jail people who say the wrong
things.  In this advocacy, we can see a truly ugly meme.
Does Mark Robert Thorson advocate jailing himself?


If your Gateway is equipped with a Western hard drive, then the noise
is probably coming from there and not from the fan.  The Western drives
are notoriously noisy.  On the other hand, if you don't have a Western
drive, then maybe it is the fan.  There's not alot to do about it except
insulate around the cpu somehow.


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How do you calculate that figure? I'd assume even in personal computers
the board designers would use bank switching to (optimistically)
quadruple the access speed  or am I missing something here?

HSK


Hello, and thank you for reading this request.  I have a Mpeg viewer for x-windows and it did not run because I was running it on a monochrome monitor.  I need the mono-driver for mpeg_play.


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