Here is an article I found today in comp.security.misc. I'll send my reply in
a separate post to comp.off.eff.org so thayt you guys can get original text.
Have fun! ;(

Oleg

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   From: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement)
   Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:17:33 GMT
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   via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717.
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			    THE WHITE HOUSE

		     Office of the Press Secretary

   _________________________________________________________________

   For Immediate Release                           April 16, 1993

		   STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY

   The President today announced a new initiative that will bring
   the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary
   program to improve the security and privacy of telephone
   communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law
   enforcement.

   The initiative will involve the creation of new products to
   accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure
   telecommunications networks and wireless communications links.

   For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our
   private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the
   tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of
   protecting Americans.  Rather than use technology to accommodate
   the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and
   law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against
   industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement.

   Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to
   protect electronic funds transfer.  It is now being used to
   protect electronic mail and computer files.  While encryption
   technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the
   unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used
   by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals.

   A state-of-the-art microcircuit called the "Clipper Chip" has
   been developed by government engineers.  The chip represents a
   new approach to encryption technology.  It can be used in new,
   relatively inexpensive encryption devices that can be attached to
   an ordinary telephone.  It scrambles telephone communications
   using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in
   commercial use today.

   This new technology will help companies protect proprietary
   information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations
   and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted
   electronically.  At the same time this technology preserves the
   ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to
   intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals.

   A "key-escrow" system will be established to ensure that the
   "Clipper Chip" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding
   Americans.  Each device containing the chip will have two unique

				   2

   "keys," numbers that will be needed by authorized government
   agencies to decode messages encoded by the device.  When the
   device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately
   in two "key-escrow" data bases that will be established by the
   Attorney General.  Access to these keys will be limited to
   government officials with legal authorization to conduct a
   wiretap.

   The "Clipper Chip" technology provides law enforcement with no
   new authorities to access the content of the private
   conversations of Americans.

   To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the
   Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new
   devices.  In addition, respected experts from outside the
   government will be offered access to the confidential details of
   the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report
   their findings.

   The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of
   encryption's dual-edge sword:  encryption helps to protect the
   privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield
   criminals and terrorists.  We need the "Clipper Chip" and other
   approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access
   to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it
   to hide their illegal activities.  In order to assess technology
   trends and explore new approaches (like the key-escrow system),
   the President has directed government agencies to develop a
   comprehensive policy on encryption that accommodates:

	--   the privacy of our citizens, including the need to
	     employ voice or data encryption for business purposes;

	--   the ability of authorized officials to access telephone
	     calls and data, under proper court or other legal
	     order, when necessary to protect our citizens;

	--   the effective and timely use of the most modern
	     technology to build the National Information
	     Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and
	     the competitiveness of American industry in the global
	     marketplace; and

	--   the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export
	     high technology products.

   The President has directed early and frequent consultations with
   affected industries, the Congress and groups that advocate the
   privacy rights of individuals as policy options are developed.

				   3

   The Administration is committed to working with the private
   sector to spur the development of a National Information
   Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer
   technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to
   information.  This infrastructure of high-speed networks
   ("information superhighways") will transmit video, images, HDTV
   programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone
   system transmits voice.

   Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important
   role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act
   quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding
   its use.  The Administration is committed to policies that
   protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting
   them from those who break the law.

   Further information is provided in an accompanying fact sheet.
   The provisions of the President's directive to acquire the new
   encryption technology are also available.

   For additional details, call Mat Heyman, National Institute of
   Standards and Technology, (301) 975-2758.

   ---------------------------------

   QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S
   TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE

   Q:   Does this approach expand the authority of government
	agencies to listen in on phone conversations?

   A:   No.  "Clipper Chip" technology provides law enforcement with
	no new authorities to access the content of the private
	conversations of Americans.

   Q:   Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on
	a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation
	encrypted using the device.  What would they have to do to
	decipher the message?

   A:   They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a
	court order, to do the wiretap in the first place.  They
	would then present documentation of this authorization to
	the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and
	obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug
	smugglers.  The key is split into two parts, which are
	stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key
	escrow system.

   Q:   Who will run the key-escrow data banks?

   A:   The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent
	entities.  At this point, the Department of Justice and the
	Administration have yet to determine which agencies will
	oversee the key-escrow data banks.

   Q:   How strong is the security in the device?  How can I be sure
	how strong the security is?

   A:   This system is more secure than many other voice encryption
	systems readily available today.  While the algorithm will
	remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow
	system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of
	cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all
	potential users that there are no unrecognized
	vulnerabilities.

   Q:   Whose decision was it to propose this product?

   A:   The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the
	Commerce Department, and other key agencies were involved in
	this decision.  This approach has been endorsed by the
	President, the Vice President, and appropriate Cabinet
	officials.

   Q:   Who was consulted?  The Congress?  Industry?

   A:   We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on
	encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify
	as we carry out our review of encryption policy.  We have
	briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the
	decisions related to this initiative.

   Q:   Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers?

   A:   The government designed and developed the key access
	encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the
	microcircuits to product manufacturers.  Product
	manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip
	manufacturer that produces them.

   Q:   Who provides the "Clipper Chip"?

   A:   Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance,
	California, and will sell the chip to encryption device
	manufacturers.  The programming function could be licensed
	to other vendors in the future.

   Q:   How do I buy one of these encryption devices?

   A:   We expect several manufacturers to consider incorporating
	the "Clipper Chip" into their devices.

   Q:   If the Administration were unable to find a technological
	solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be
	willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more
	powerful encryption devices?

   A:   This is a fundamental policy question which will be
	considered during the broad policy review.  The key escrow
	mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product
	that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive
	than others readily available today, but it is just one
	piece of what must be the comprehensive approach to
	encryption technology, which the Administration is
	developing.

	The Administration is not saying, "since encryption
	threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement,
	we will prohibit it outright" (as some countries have
	effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that "every
	American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an
	unbreakable commercial encryption product."  There is a
	false "tension" created in the assessment that this issue is
	an "either-or" proposition.  Rather, both concerns can be,
	and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned,
	balanced approach such as is proposed with the "Clipper
	Chip" and similar encryption techniques.

   Q:   What does this decision indicate about how the Clinton
	Administration's policy toward encryption will differ from
	that of the Bush Administration?

   A:   It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption
	technology in telecommunications and computing and are
	committed to working with industry and public-interest
	groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans'
	privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law
	enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime
	and terrorism.

   Q:   Will the devices be exportable?  Will other devices that use
	the government hardware?


Anyone out there in netland have a spare data pod or two from an old
1615A Hewlett Packard logic analyzer?  If you do, I'd like to buy it off
of you.  The pod's part number is 10248B.

As a side note, anyone know of any good surplus dealer or other organization
that would carry wayward logic analzer pods?


Anyone have any expierience with PSI's comstation 5?

Please contact me if you had (or have a suggesiton for a Really Good 14.4
modem with 14.4 fax for the macintosh).

--- Via UCI v1.35 (C-Net Amiga)

Dennis T. Cheung
The DTC(tm) Corporation of America
America Online: DTC
Internet: DTC%MLinkNet@HotCity.Com


The Swiss population is (and well was) far larger than that. I think
your question should be, "...losing sleep over a million expert
riflemen?" Certainly he could have conquered Switzerland, but
a million armed militiamen (especially in a mountainous area,
where tanks' effectiveness is limited) would have made it a
real pain. The question a conqueror would ask, is "is it worth
the trouble?" The more difficult an invasion is, the more likely
the answer would be "no." Certainly a million riflemen (as
opposed to a professional army of only ten or twenty thousand, the
best a country the size of Switzerland could support), makes
invasions more difficult.

Really? In 1939? I'm not even sure you could prove that today (despite
the steriotype.) Certainly the Swiss bankers were not essential
to the German war-time economy.


	Agreed.

--

       "Satan and the Angels do not have freewill.
        They do what god tells them to do. "


The author of Wcl (or the current care taker). His is the only name I found
in the dist tree. I have tried to mail him at: David.Smyth@ap.mchp.sni.de,
but the mail bounced back.
Any help in finding him will be greatly appreciated.

Try
	david@ap542.uucp
	david%ap542@ztivax.siemens.com

Xtian.


Except for their size, the cooling towers on nuclear power plants
are vertually identical in construction and operation to cooling
towers designed and built in the 1890's (a hundred years ago) for
coal fired power plants used for lighting and early electric railways.

Basicly, the cylindrical tower supports a rapid air draft when
its air is heated by hot water and/or steam circulating thru a network
of pipes that fill about the lower 1/3 of the tower. To assist cooling
and the draft, water misters are added that spray cold water over the
hot pipes. The cold water evaporates, removing the heat faster than
just air flow from the draft would and the resulting water vapor is
rapidly carried away by the draft. This produces the clouds frequently
seen rising out of these towers.

That slight pinch (maybe 2/3 of the way up the tower) is there because
it produces a very significant increase in the strength and rate of
the air draft produced, compared to a straight cylinder shape.

The towers are used to recondense the steam in the sealed steam
system of the power plant so that it can be recirculated back to the
boiler and used again. The wider the temperature difference across
the turbines used in the power plant the more effecient they are and
by recondensing the steam in the cooling towers before sending it
back to the boilers you maintain a very wide temperature difference
(sometimes as high as 1000 degrees or more from first stage "hot"
turbine to final stage "cold" turbine).

                                        R. Tim Coslet


To: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)

There is a person on the FIDO CFS echo who claims that he was
cured of CFS by taking accutane.  He also claims that you are
using it in the treatment of Fibromyalgia Syndrome.  Are you
using accutane in the treatment of Fibromyalgia Syndrome?  Have
you used it for CFS?  Have you gotten good results with it?  Are
you aware of any double blind studies on the use of accutane in
these conditions?  Thank you in advance for all replies.


FOR SALE:

	Northwest Airline Fly-Write ticket for travel within the 48 states
	and Canada from anywhere in the country.

	2 One Way - $200 (each)
	1 Round Trip - $350

	This ticket has no restrictions, and is fully transferable.  However,
	travel has to be completed buy June 4.


I was having the same problems compiling X11R5 on a IPC sunos 4.1.3.
If you compile with 'make -k World' it will not stop on the
ld errors. As was stated in another post the clients with the
errors still run correctly.


I'm writing 'xwall', a simple X version of 'wall', and I want it to
put a message up on each of a default list of displays.  The problem
is that XOpenDisplay hangs if one of the displays is currently
controlled by xdm (login screen).   I've been through the manuals
and FAQ and don't see a simple way to see if a display is 'openable'
ahead of time, or to get XOpenDisplay to fail after a short period
of time.  Any hints, suggestions, clues, or pointers to info?  Thanks...


I can't answer most of your questions, but I've seen it happen in
family members who are being treated with radiation and/or chemotherapy.
Jory Graham published a cookbook many years ago (in cooperation with
the American Cancer Society, I think) called "Something has to taste
good" (as I recall).

The cookbook was just what we needed several times when favorite foods
suddenly became "yech".


What about Thaaammy Thotha? I for one was really sorry to hear that the
Cubs had sent Heathcliff Slocumb to the minors!  :-)


    >>I see you are a total ignorant asshole as well.
    >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It's the sign of a small mind to use filthy
    >language when he can't articulate his point.

Oh, no, not in this case. I've noticed that you conveniently edited out your
stupid comment that the PRC stands for Cambodia. When we're arguing the
Vietnam war and about Cambodia, and you toss in a boner like that (along
with your other boners), you are an ignorant asshole.

Oh, and even the Vietnamese agree that they did far more damage to
Cambodia than we ever did.

--
There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of
environmental disaster. Weird, eh?


I don't think Primeau is necessarily a bad pick...I'm was just trying
to locate the beginning of Murray's decisions...he slowness in trading
Carson has delayed Primeau's development...and you have to wait longer
for big players often...and Primeau can be a very good player without
being a point-a-game-player, especially on a team that has Yzerman and
Fedorov...if Primeau becomes Joel Otto, and gets 20 goals a season,
and plays mean...it will have been an extremely good pick.


Did anyone notice the words "NOT FOR BASEBALL" printed on the picture
of Joe Robbie Stadium in the Opening Day season preview section in USA
Today? Any reason given for this?

Also, I just noticed something looking at the Nolan Ryan timeline in
the preview. On 8/22/89, Rickey Henderson became Nolan's 5000th strikeout.
On 6/11/90 he pitched his 6th no-hitter against Oakland. I believe the
last out in the game was made by Rickey Henderson. And on 5/1/91, Nolan
pitched his 7th no-hitter on the same day a certain someone stole his
939th base, which overshadowed it. It seems that Nolan is having a lot of
publicity at Rickey's expense. IMO, Rickey deserves it, and it seems as
most of the net agrees with me from what I've seen on it lately. They are
both great players, but IMO, Nolan has outclassed Rickey, both in playing
and more importantly, in attitude. Just my thoughts.


1992-93 Los Angeles Kings Schedule/Results

TV:
---
2 preseason games, 82 of 84 regular season and all playoffs on TV.

 (PT)= Prime Ticket, (5) = KTLA Channel 5, (7) = ABC Channel 7 - playoffs

Radio:
------
All regular and preseason games broadcast on the Kings radio network.

 Southern California 	XTRA -  690am (flagship)
 Simi Valley		KWNK -  670am
 Ankorage, Alaska	KBYR -  700am
 El Centro		KAMP - 1430am
 Fairbanks, Alaska	KIAK -  970am
 Hemet/Temecula		KHSJ - 1320am
 Lancaster/Palmdale	KAVL -  610am
 Palm Desert		KNWZ - 1270am
 Paso Robles		KPRL - 1230am
 Reno, Nevada		KPLY - 1270am
 Sacramento		KSAC - 1240am
 San Luis Obispo	KKAL - 1280am
 Santa Clarita		KBET - 1220am
 Las Vegas, Nevada 	KENO - 1460am

Preseason:
----------
September/October:
18 LA  3 vs VAN 3 @ Vancouver   - 12,357 (0-0-1,  1 pt)
20 LA  5 vs PIT 2 @ Portland    -  6,124 (1-0-1,  3 pts) (PT)
23 LA  3 vs PIT 3 @ Tacoma      -  ?     (1-0-2,  4 pts)
24 LA  2 vs NYR 7 @ San Diego   -  8,099 (1-1-2,  4 pts) (PT)
26 LA  2 vs NYR 6 @ Phoenix     -  8,977 (1-2-2,  4 pts)
27 LA  4 vs SJ  2 @ Sacramento  -  7,950 (2-2-2,  6 pts)
30 LA  2 vs VAN 5 @ The Forum   - 10,250 (2-3-2,  6 pts)
03 LA  8 vs SJ  8 @ The Forum   - 12,005 (3-3-2,  8 pts)
      --       --
Total 29       36

Regular Season:
---------------
October:
06 LA  5 @  Calgary      4 (OT) - 19,461 ( 1- 0- 0,   2 pts) (PT)
08 LA  3 vs Detroit      5      - 16,005 ( 1- 1- 0,   2 pts) (PT)
10 LA  6 vs Winnipeg     3      - 14,509 ( 2- 1- 0,   4 pts) (PT)
13 LA  2 vs San Jose     1      - 14,320 ( 3- 1- 0,   6 pts) (PT)
15 LA  4 vs Calgary      0      - 15,133 ( 4- 1- 0,   8 pts) (PT)
17 LA  8 vs Boston       6      - 16,005 ( 5- 1- 0,  10 pts) (PT)
20 LA  2  @ Calgary      6      - 19,169 ( 5- 2- 0,  10 pts)  (5)
23 LA  2  @ Winnipeg     4      - 12,924 ( 5- 3- 0,  10 pts) (PT)
24 LA  5  @ Minnesota    5      - 15,174 ( 5- 3- 1,  11 pts)  (5)
27 LA  4  @ NY Islanders 3      - 10,259 ( 6- 3- 1,  13 pts) (PT)
29 LA  3  @ Boston       8      - 14,448 ( 6- 4- 1,  13 pts) (PT)
31 LA  7  @ Hartford     1      -  9,244 ( 7- 4- 1,  15 pts)  (5)
      --                --                -----------------
Oct.  51                46                 7- 4- 1,  15 pts

November:
05 LA  5 vs New Jersey   2      - 14,592 ( 8- 4- 1,  17 pts) (PT)
07 LA  5 vs Buffalo      2      - 16,005 ( 9- 4- 1,  19 pts) (PT)
08 LA 11  @ San Jose     4      - 11,089 (10- 4- 1,  21 pts) (no tv)
10 LA  4  @ Winnipeg     4      - 12,831 (10- 4- 2,  22 pts) (PT)
12 LA  7 vs Vancouver    4      - 15,486 (11- 4- 2,  24 pts) (PT)
14 LA  6 vs Edmonton     2      - 16,005 (12- 4- 2,  26 pts) (PT)
16 LA  3  @ Vancouver    6      - 15,896 (12- 5- 2,  26 pts) (PT)
17 LA  0  @ San Jose     6      - 11,089 (12- 6- 2,  26 pts) (PT)
19 LA  4 vs Chicago      1      - 16,005 (13- 6- 2,  28 pts) (PT)
21 LA  6 vs Toronto      4      - 16,005 (14- 6- 2,  30 pts) (PT)
25 LA  3  @ Edmonton     1      - 13,636 (15- 6- 2,  32 pts) (no tv)
27 LA  5  @ Detroit      3      - 19,875 (16- 6- 2,  34 pts) (PT)
28 LA  2  @ Toronto      3      - 15,720 (16- 7- 2,  34 pts) (PT)
      --                --                -----------------
Nov.  61                42                 9- 3- 1,  19 pts
Year 112                88

December:
01 LA  6  @ Chicago      3      - 16,292 (17- 7- 2,  36 pts) at Milwaukee (PT)
03 LA  5 vs Pittsburgh   3      - 16,005 (18- 7- 2,  38 pts) (PT)
05 LA  7 vs Hartford     3      - 16,005 (19- 7- 2,  40 pts) (PT)
08 LA  5 vs Montreal     5      - 12,276 (19- 7- 3,  41 pts) at Phoenix (PT)
10 LA  4 vs Quebec       5      - 15,221 (19- 8- 3,  41 pts) (PT)
12 LA  6 vs St Louis     3      - 16,005 (20- 8- 3,  43 pts) (PT)
15 LA  2 vs Tampa Bay    3      - 15,753 (20- 9- 3,  43 pts) (PT)
18 LA  5  @ Edmonton     5      - 15,257 (20- 9- 4,  44 pts)  (5)
19 LA  3  @ Calgary      5      - 20,214 (20-10- 4,  44 pts) (PT)
22 LA  2 vs Vancouver    6      - 16,005 (20-11- 4,  44 pts) (PT)
26 LA  2  @ San Jose     7      - 11,089 (20-12- 4,  44 pts)  (5)
29 LA  2 vs Philadelphia 10     - 16,005 (20-13- 4,  44 pts) (PT)
31 LA  0  @ Vancouver    4      - 16,150 (20-14- 4,  44 pts) (PT)
      --                --                -----------------
Dec.  49                62                 4- 7- 2,  10 pts
Year 161               150

January:
02 LA  5 vs Montreal     5      - 16,005 (20-14- 5,  45 pts) (PT)
06 LA  3 vs Tampa Bay    6      - 16,005 (20-15- 5,  45 pts) (PT)
08 LA  3  @ Winnipeg     6      - 14,036 (20-16- 5,  45 pts)  (5)
10 LA  5  @ Chicago      4      - 17,705 (21-16- 5,  47 pts)  (5)
12 LA  3  @ Ottawa       2      - 10,500 (22-16- 5,  49 pts) (PT)
14 LA  1  @ New Jersey   7      - 13,586 (22-17- 5,  49 pts) (PT)
16 LA  2 vs Winnipeg     5      - 16,005 (22-18- 5,  49 pts) (PT)
19 LA  5  @ Edmonton     4      - 16,686 (23-18- 5,  51 pts) (PT)
21 LA  4 vs Vancouver    5      - 16,005 (23-19- 5,  51 pts) (PT)
23 LA  3 vs NY Rangers   8      - 16,005 (23-20- 5,  51 pts) (PT)
26 LA  7 vs San Jose     1      - 16,005 (24-20- 5,  53 pts) (PT)
28 LA  1 vs Calgary      2      - 16,005 (24-21- 5,  53 pts) (PT)
30 LA  2 vs Chicago      2      - 16,005 (24-21- 6,  54 pts) (PT)
      --                --                -----------------
Jan.  44                57                 4- 7- 2,  10 pts
Year 205               207

February:
02 LA  2  @ Quebec       3      - 14,843 (24-22- 6,  54 pts) (PT)
03 LA  2  @ Montreal     7      - 17,164 (24-23- 6,  54 pts) (PT)
09 LA  3 vs Edmonton     6      - 16,005 (24-24- 6,  54 pts) (PT)
11 LA  6 vs Detroit      6      - 16,005 (24-24- 7,  55 pts) (PT)
13 LA  3 vs Washington  10      - 16,005 (24-25- 7,  55 pts) (PT)
15 LA  3 vs Vancouver    0      - 16,005 (25-25- 7,  57 pts) (PT)
17 LA 10  @ Minnesota    5      - 14,911 (26-25- 7,  59 pts) (PT)
18 LA  2  @ Chicago      7      - 17,597 (26-26- 7,  59 pts) (PT)
20 LA  3  @ Washington   7      - 17,812 (26-27- 7,  59 pts) (PT)
22 LA  5  @ Tampa Bay    2      - 10,425 (27-27- 7,  61 pts) (PT)
25 LA  0  @ St Louis     3      - 13,473 (27-28- 7,  61 pts) (PT)
27 LA  2 vs Toronto      5      - 16,005 (27-29- 7,  61 pts) (PT)
      --                --                -----------------
Feb.  41                61                 3- 8- 1,   7 pts
Year 246               268

March:
02 LA  6 vs Calgary      2      - 16,005 (28-29- 7,  63 pts) (PT)
04 LA  8 vs Ottawa       6      - 16,005 (29-29- 7,  65 pts) (PT)
06 LA  6 vs Edmonton     1      - 16,005 (30-29- 7,  67 pts) (PT)
09 LA  3  @ NY Rangers   4      - 18,200 (30-30- 7,  67 pts) (PT)
11 LA  3  @ Pittsburgh   4      - 16,164 (30-31- 7,  67 pts) (PT)
13 @ Philadelphia - Postponed after 1 period (1-1) due to weather. Resch for 4/1
14 @ Buffalo      - Postponed due to weather.  Rescheduled for 3/15.
15 LA  4  @ Buffalo      2      - 13,799 (31-31- 7,  69 pts) (PT)
16 LA  8 vs Winnipeg     4      - 16,005 (32-31- 7,  71 pts) (PT)
18 LA  7 vs NY Islanders 4      - 16,005 (33-31- 7,  73 pts) (PT)
20 LA  3 vs St Louis     2      - 16,005 (34-31- 7,  75 pts) (PT)
24 LA  2  @ Vancouver    6      - 16,150 (34-32- 7,  75 pts)  (5)
26 LA  4  @ Edmonton     1      - 17,503 (35-32- 7,  77 pts)  (5)
28 LA  3  @ Winnipeg     3      - 15,566 (35-32- 8,  78 pts) (PT)
29 LA  9  @ Detroit      3      - 19,875 (36-32- 8,  80 pts)  (5)
31 LA  5  @ Toronto      5      - 15,720 (36-32- 9,  81 pts) (PT)
      --                --                -----------------
Mar.  71                47                 9- 3- 2,  20 pts
Year 317               315

April:
01 LA  3  @ Philadelphia 1      - 17,380 (37-32- 9,  83 pts) (PT) rescheduled
03 LA  0 vs Minnesota    3      - 16,005 (37-33- 9,  83 pts) (PT)
06 LA  3 vs Calgary      3      - 16,005 (37-33-10,  84 pts) (PT)
08 LA  2 vs San Jose     1      - 16,005 (38-33-10,  86 pts) (PT)
10 LA  3  @ San Jose     2 (OT) - 11,089 (39-33-10,  88 pts) (PT)
13 LA  4  @ Vancouver    7      - 16,150 (39-34-10,  88 pts) (PT)
15 LA  6 vs Vancouver    8      - 16,005 (39-35-10,  88 pts) (PT)
      --                --                -----------------
Apr.  21                25                 3- 3- 1,   7 pts
Year 338               340                39-35-10,  88 pts -  3rd Smythe,
                                                              11th overall

Playoffs:
---------
April:
18   @ Calgary - 12:00 noon (7)
21   @ Calgary -  6:30 pm (PT)
23  vs Calgary -  7:30 pm (PT)
25  vs Calgary - 12:00 noon (7)**
*27  @ Calgary -  6:30 pm (PT)
*29 vs Calgary -  7:30 pm (PT)

May:
*01  @ Calgary -  6:30 pm (PT)

all times listed are Pacific Time.
*if necessary.
** may be shown on ABC, if televised by Prime Ticket, time is 7:30 pm.
===============================================================================
Stan Willis (willis@empire.dnet.hac.com)
net contact: L.A. Kings


Hello, I am looking for commercial software packages for professional
fashion designers.  Any recommendation and pointers are greatly appreciated.
Please e-mail me, if you may.  Thanks a million.  -- Ge


Wasn't there an 85,000 New York at Cleveland game in the late 40's?


	Last year produced: 1980.

	Yes, there are still alot of MGBs out there.  The earlier cars (pre
 74-1/2) are usually more desirable due to certain things that went with having
chrome bumpers (ride height, generally more power).  The older cars are
appreciating... slowly.  The newer ones seem to be at a stable level at the
moment.  $6 to $8k would require extremely good condition and low miles.
If the car is in good shape and regular maintenance is kept up on it, the car
should last for a long time.  There are still plenty of parts sources ouththere.
 The MGB is a great, fun little car.  If she is keeping it solely in the hopes
that it is going to appreciate, tell her to sell it.  It is not worth waiting
the time it would take to appreciate to a real profitable level.


[sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ]


Considering that Clinton received a draft notice and got out of it (he admits it) the political feasibility of him abolishing it is not something he would
be inclined to risk any extra exposure on.

If you read Aviation Week, the C-5 line can be reopened and the C-5s
would be delivered a year earlier and cost a billion less for the
program. Politically, though, the C-17 is popular pork.

Agreed. Congress took money from NASA and FHA to fund the second Seawolf.
The shipyards are still building Los Angeles Class submarines and there
is a lack of ASW foes to contend with. The Navy is considering reducing
the number of attack subs to 40 (Navy Times) and that would entail
getting rid of or mothballing some of the current Los Angeles class.

Politically, General Dynamics is in Connecticut and we will get
Seawolf subs whether we need them or not.

In addition, more bases need to be closed. Probably Long Beach Naval Station
and others. The Navy is talking about three main bases on each coast being
required to home port a total fleet of 320 ships.

The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down
a pork happy Congress.


This is similar to my saying that Clinton's timber summit does little to
fix the health care problem.  Look at the whole picture, not just
randomly picked libertarian positions.  If government is not allowed to
use "non-initiated force" to achieve its goals, than no special interest
can influence the government to use non-initiated force on their behalf.

The means to reaching such a restricted government is another topic
which I'll address briefly.  It certainly won't happen until
libertarianism is the dominate philosophy.  What means do we have to
make libertarianism the dominate philosophy?  Statists run the education
monopoly, so we have to be creative.  The Advocates for Self-Government
reports 85% of their Seminar 1 participants "embrace" libertarianism.
That's the best means I've seen yet.  We should lobby for compulsory
Seminar 1 attendance. :) [in jest!]

Roger Collins


Years ago I grabbed the following from the net - maybe from this
newsgroup.  Does anyone know of a source for whether this is an
accurate quote?   Thanks!  Bartletts leaves out the homosexual lines,
but they were one of the groups the Nazis tried to exterminate.
===
In Germany, they first came for the communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the homosexuals, and I didn't speak up
because I wasn't a homosexual.
Then they came for the catholics, and I didn't speak up
because I was a protestant.
Then they came for me ---
but by that time there was no one left to speak up.


The latest news I saw was that two of the eight known survivors (not NO
SURVIVORS!!! as you so rudely put in all caps) said they started the
fire.

I won't go on with the things the wacko of Waco did.


I guess 100k, connecting pins 1-3 (1x), 1-6 (1y), 9-11 (2x), and 9-13 (2y).

Or: Get an 8-bit DA-Converter (merely a couple of transistors and
Resistors) and an OpAmp to compare its output to the voltage you want to
measure, connect them to a spared printer port (if you have one), and do
the rest by software (stepwise refinement). The port addresses for your
printer ports are probably: &H378 (LPT1), &H278 (LPT2). This should work
well enough for your purposes.

Hope this helps

--
GMD,  Schloss Birlinghoven,  Postfach 1316,  D-5205 St. Augustin 1,  FRG


Archive-name: Intel-Unix-X-faq
Last-modified: 30 Mar 1993

Note: This is a major re-organization (and replacement) of my
      "Frequently Asked Questions About X386" FAQ list.

This article includes answers to:

I) What options do I have for X software on my Intel-based Unix system?
	1. Free options
	2. Commercial options
II) What is XFree86 and where do I get it?
	3. What is XFree86?
	4. What OSs are supported?
	5. What video hardware is supported?
	6. What about accelerated boards?
	7. Why doesn't XFree86 support 16-color VGA modes?
	8. What other hardware or software requirements are there?
	9. Where can I get source for XFree86?
	10. Where can I get binaries for XFree86?
IV) What general things should I know about running XFree86?
	11. Installation directories
	12. Configuration files
	13. Determining VGA dot clocks and monitor modes
	14. Rebuilding/reconfiguring the server from the link kit
V) What OS-specific things should I know about running XFree86?
	15. SVR4
	16. SVR3
	17. 386BSD
	18. Linux
	19. Mach
VI) What things should I know for building XFree86 from source?
VII) Is there anything special about building clients with XFree86?
	20. BSD compatibility library
	21. ANSICCOPTIONS

This article does NOT include answers to general X questions, since these
are already covered by the X FAQ that is regularly posted by David B. Lewis
<faq%craft@uunet.uu.net>.

If you have anything to add or change on the FAQ just let me know.
(especially if you had a problem that someone else was able to help you with)
Send changes to steve@ecf.toronto.edu, please put 'FAQ' somewhere
in the subject line so that my mail filter will put it in the correct
mail folder.

Please DO NOT ask me questions that are not answered in the FAQ.  I do not
have time to respond to these individually.  Instead, post your question
to the net, and send me the question and answer together when you get it.

Frequently Asked Questions About X on Intel-based Unix (with answers)
=====================================================================

I) What options do I have for X software on my Intel-based Unix system?

1. Free options
	The BEST option is XFree86, which is an enhanced version of X386 1.2.
	Any other version of X386 will have slower performance, and will
	be more difficult to compile.  Information on how to obtain XFree86
	is listed below.

	X386 is the port of the X11 server to System V/386 that was
	done by Thomas Roell (roell@sgcs.com).
	It supports a wide variety of SVGA boards.
	There are 2 major free versions: X386 1.1 is based on X11R4,
	X386 1.2 is included in MIT's X11R5 distribution (ie. you
	don't need to patch it into the MIT source any more).
	X386 1.3 is the current commercial offering from SGCS (see below).

2. Commercial options

     1) Metro Link
	2213 W. McNab Road
	Pompano Beach, FL  33069
	(305) 970-7353
	Fax: (305) 970-7351
	email: sales@metrolink.com

	Summary: OS:    QNX, SVR3, SVR4.[012], SCO, UnixWare, LynxOS,
			DESQview/X, Venix, ISC, Solaris, Pyramid, SunOS
		 HW:    EGA, VGA, SVGA, TIGA, TARGA, 8514/A, Mach,
			S3, WD, Fujistu, Matrox, Microfield Graphics, R33020
		 Other: Motif, OpenLook/XView, XIE Imaging Extension,
			Xv Video Extension, Audio Drivers, Multi Media

     2) SGCS (Snitily Graphics Consulting Services)
	894 Brookgrove Lane
	Cupertino, CA  95014
	(800) 645-5501, (408) 255-9665
	Fax: (408) 255-9740
	email: info@sgcs.com  or ...!mips!zok!info

	Summary: OS: SVR3.2, SVR4
		 HW: 8514/A (ATI Ultra), S3 (Diamond Stealth), SVGA
		 Other: Motif, Dual-headed server

     3) Consensys Corporation
	1301 Pat Booker Rd.
	Universal City, TX 78148
	Phone: 1-800-388-1896
	FAX:   1-416-940-2903
	email: info@consensys.com

	Summary: OS: Consensys V4.2, Consensys' version of
		     Unix System V Release 4.2
		 HW: X11R4 server support for VGA, SVGA
		 Other: MoOLIT, Motif, X11R5 Clients

     4) The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
	p.o. box 1900
	Santa Cruz, California 95061
	(408) 425 7222, (800) SCO UNIX,
	FAX: (408) 458 4227
	email: info@sco.com

	Summary: OS: ODT 1.1, ODT 2.0, SCO Unix 3.2v4
		 HW: X11R4 server support for SVGA, 8514/A, S3, TMS340x0,
		     WD90C31, XGA2, assorted local bus (see SCO Hardware
		     Compatabilty Guide for actual card vendors).
		 Other: Motif

     5) Answer Software & Consulting
	p.o. box 14171
	Columbus, Ohio 43214
	614-263-XLAB
	email: sales@x4coher.com

	Summary: OS: Coherent 4.0.1r72 or greater
		 HW: works with any VESA compliant video

  NOTE: Other commercial vendors (including OS vendors describing
	bundled software) are welcome to submit summary information
	summary information such as the above.

II) What is XFree86 and where do I get it?

3. What is XFree86?

   XFree86 is an enhanced version of X386 1.2, which was distributed with
   X11R5.  This release consists of many bug fixes, speed improvements, and
   other enhancements.  Here are the highlights of the enhancements:

    1) The SpeedUp package from Glenn Lai is an integral part of XFree86,
       selectable at run-time via the Xconfig file.  Some SpeedUps require
       an ET4000 based SVGA, and others require a virtual screen width of
       1024.  The SpeedUps suitable to the configuration are selected by
       default.  With a high-quality ET4000 board (VRAM), this can yield
       up to 40% improvement of the xStones benchmark over X386 1.2.
    2) The fX386 packages from Jim Tsillas are included as the default
       operating mode if SpeedUp is not selected.  This mode is now
       equivalent in performance to X386 1.1b (X11R4), and approximately
       20% faster than X386 1.2.
    3) Support for LOCALCONN, compile-time selectable for server, clients,
       or both.  This support is for both SVR3.2 and SVR4.  For SVR4.0.4
       with the 'Advanced Compatibility Package', local connections from
       SCO XSight/ODT clients are supported.
    4) Drivers for ATI and Trident TVGA8900C and TVGA9000 SVGA chipsets.
       Refer to the files README.ati and README.trident for details about
       the ATI and Trident drivers.
    5) Support for compressed bitmap fonts has been added (Thomas Eberhardt's
       code from the contrib directory on export.lcs.mit.edu).
    6) Type1 Font code from MIT contrib tape has been included, and is
       compile-time selectable.  There are contributed Type1 fonts in the
       contrib directory on export.lcs.mit.edu.
    7) New configuration method which allows the server's drivers and font
       renderers to be reconfigured from both source and binary
       distributions.
    8) Integrated support for 386BSD, Mach, and Linux.
    9) A monochrome version of the server which will run on generic VGA
       cards is now included.

   The following key features were added with the release of XFree86 1.2
   (they were not in XFree86 1.1):

    1) The monochrome server has been enhanced to do bank-switching of
       available SVGA memory to allow virtual screens up to 1600x1200
       (see the X386(1) manual page for more information).
    2) Support for the Hercules mono card has been added to the
       monochrome server, and with it the ability to support a "two
       headed" server - one VGA, and one Hercules.  So far this has only
       been tested on SVR4 (it is also reported to work under Linux).
    3) SVR3 shared libraries, tested under ISC SVR3 2.2 and 3.0.1.
    4) Support for SVR4.2 (There are some special considerations to
       consider, due to new USL bugs; see the README.SVR4 file for
       more information.)
    5) Support for PS/2 mice, and Logitech MouseMan/TrackMan (some
       versions of these devices were not previously compatible).
    6) A new tutorial on how to develop correct video card and monitor
       timing data, written by Eric Raymond (derived from previous
       documentation and a lot of experimentation).
    7) Greatly improved support for international keyboards, including
       implementation of the Compose key functionality found on many
       vendor servers (see the X386keybd(1) manual page for more
       information).
    8) The accuracy with which the server detects SVGA pixel clocks has
       been improved, and the timings are now stored at accuracies of
       0.1 MHz.  Users may want to consider removing an existing Clocks
       line from their Xconfig file and re-probing using the new server.
    9) Many enhancements in error handling and parsing of the Xconfig
       configuration file.  Error messages are much more informative
       and intuitive, and more validation is done.  There are many new
       options that can be enabled in the Xconfig file (see the X386(1)
       manual page for more information on the format of this file).

       Plus a number of other small things.  Refer to the CHANGELOG file
       in the source distribution for full details.

   Also included are a tutorial on monitor timing by Eric Raymond, and the
   current X386 mode database and a sample xdm configuration by David Wexelblat.

4. What OSs are supported?

    XFree86 supports:
	SVR4.2: Consensys V4.2
	SVR4.0: Microport, Dell, Esix, ISC, AT&T, MST, Consensys, UHC
	SVR3: ISC 2.2 & 3.0, AT&T 2.2
	Linux, Mach 386, 386BSD 0.1

	BSD/386 is not supported, but it should work. The most active
	BSD/386 person is Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.de>.

	Note that Esix 3.2D and SCO are not supported yet,
	but anyone should feel free to submit patches.
	If you are interested in tackling this, send mail to
	xfree86@physics.su.oz.au

5. What video hardware is supported?

   At this time, XFree86 1.2 supports the following SVGA chipsets:

	Tseng ET4000
	Tseng ET3000
	Paradise PVGA1
	Western Digital WD90C00, WD90C10, WD90C11 (these are supersets of
		the PVGA1, and use its driver)
	Genoa GVGA
	Trident TVGA8900C, TVGA9000
	ATI 18800, 28800

	All of the above are supported in both 256 color and monochrome modes,
	with the exception of the ATI chipsets, which are only supported in
	256 color mode.

	The monochrome server also supports generic VGA cards, using 64k of
	video memory in a single bank, and the Hercules card.  On the
	ET3000, only 64k of video memory is supported for the monochrome
	server, and the GVGA has not been tested with more than 64k.

	It appears that some of the SVGA card manufacturers are going to
	non-traditional mechanisms for selecting pixel-clock frequencies.  To
	avoid having to modify the server to accommodate these schemes XFree86
	1.2 adds support for using an external program to select the pixel
	clock.  This allows programs to be written as new mechanisms are
	discovered.  Refer to the README.clkprog file for information on how
	these programs work, if you need to write one.  If you do develop such
	a program, the XFree86 team would be interested in including it with
	future XFree86 releases.

	If you are purchasing new hardware for the purpose of using XFree86,
	it is suggested that you purchase an ET4000-based board such as the
	Orchid ProDesigner IIs.  Avoid recent Diamond boards; XFree86 will not
	work with them, because Diamond won't provide programming details.
	In fact, the XFree86 project is actively not supporting new Diamond
	products, as long as such policies remain in effect.  Contributions
	of code will NOT be accepted (because of the potential liabilities).
	If you would like to see this change, tell Diamond about it.

	Some people have asked if XFree86 would work with local bus or EISA
	video cards. Theoretically, the means of communication between the
	CPU and the video card is irrelevant to Xfree86 compatibility. It
	could be ISA, EISA, or local bus.  What should matter is the chipset
	on the video card.  Unfortunately, the developers don't have a lot
	of access to EISA or VLB machines, so this is largely an untested
	theory.  However, we have yet to see any reports of things not
	working on one of these buses and we have several reports of Xfree86
	working fine on them.

6. What about accelerated boards?

	At this time, there is no support in XFree86 for accelerated boards
	like the S3, ATI Ultra (8514/A), TIGA, etc.  This support is available
	in commercial products from SGCS and MetroLink (for SVR3 and SVR4).

	An S3 server is available for 386BSD and Linux.  Contact
	<hasty@netcom.com> for 386BSD or <jon@robots.ox.ac.uk> for Linux.

	A beta 8514/A server is available for Linux. Contact <martin@cs.unc.edu>
	or <jon@robots.ox.ac.uk>. Note: these servers are NOT part of XFree86.

7. Why doesn't XFree86 support 16-color VGA modes?

	The reason that this is not supported is the way VGA implements the
	16-color modes.  In 256-color modes, each byte of frame buffer memory
	contains 1 pixel.  But the 16-color modes are implemented as bit-
	planes.  Each byte of frame- buffer memory contains 1 bit from each
	of each of 8 pixels, and there are four such planes.  The MIT frame-
	buffer code is not designed to deal with this.  If VGA handled
	16-color modes by packing 2 4-bit pixels into each byte, the MIT code
	could be modified to support this (or it already may; I'm not sure).
	But for the VGA way of doing things, a complete new frame-buffer
	implementation is required.  Some beta testers are looking into this,
	but nothing is yet available from the project.

8. What other hardware or software requirements are there?

	Obviously, a supported SVGA board and OS are required.  To run
	X efficiently, 12-16MB of memory should be considered a minimum.
	The various binary releases take 10-40MB of disk space, depending
	on the OS (e.g. whether or not it supports shared libraries).
	To build from sources, at least 80MB of free disk space will
	be required, although 120MB should be considered a comfortable
	lower bound.

9. Where can I get source for XFree86?

	Source patches for the current version (1.2, based on X11R5 PL22
	from MIT), are available via anonymous FTP from:
		export.lcs.mit.edu (under /contrib/XFree86)
		ftp.physics.su.oz.au (under /XFree86)
		ftp.win.tue.nl (under /pub/XFree86)
	(For the rest of this FAQ, these 3 location will be called $FTP)

	Refer to the README file under the specified directory for information
	on which files you need to get to build your distribution.

10. Where can I get binaries for XFree86?

	Binaries are available via anonymous FTP from:
		ftp.physics.su.oz.au		- SVR4 binaries
			under /XFree86/SVR4
		ftp.win.tue.nl			- SVR4 binaries
			under /pub/XFree86/SVR4
		ferkel.ucsb.edu			- SVR4 binaries
			under /pub/SVR4/XFree86
		stasi.bradley.edu		- SVR4 binaries
			under /pub/XFree86/SVR4
		blancmange.ma.utexas.edu	- SVR3 (ISC) binaries
			under /pub/ISC
		ftp.prz.tu-berlin.de            - SVR3 (ISC) binaries
			under /pub/pc/isc/XFree86
		tsx-11.mit.edu			- Linux binaries
			under /pub/linux/packages/X11
		agate.berkeley.edu		- 386BSD binaries
			under /pub/386BSD/0.1-ports/XFree86
		ftp.cs.uwm.edu			- Mach binaries
			under /i386

	Ensure that you are getting XFree86 1.2 - some of these sites may
	archive older releases as well.  Each binary distribution will
	contain a README file that describes what files you need to take
	from the archive, and which compile-time option selections were
	made when building the distribution.

IV) What general things should I know about running XFree86?

11. Installation directories

	The top-level installation directory is specified by the ProjectRoot
	(/usr/X386, by default) variable in config/site.def. Binaries, include
	files, and libraries are installed in $ProjectRoot/{bin,include,lib}.

	This can be changed when rebuilding from sources, and can be modified
	via symbolic links for those OSs that support them. This directory is
	nonstandard, and was chosen this way to allow XFree86 to be installed
	alongside a commercial/vendor-supplied X implementation.

12. Configuration files

	The XFree86 server reads a configuration file ("Xconfig") on startup.
	The search path, contents and syntax for this file are documented in
	the server manpage, which should be consulted before asking questions.

13. Determining VGA dot clocks and monitor modes

	David E Wexelblat (dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com) maintains a database of known
	clock settings for VGA cards and monitor settings.
	The database is installed in /usr/X386/lib/X11/etc/modeDB.txt, and
	is in the source tree under mit/server/ddx/x386/etc. This database is
	also available from him (for the latest copy), and is kept on
	export.lcs.mit.edu in ~/contrib/X386.modeDB.Z, which is updated
	occasionally.  Obtain a copy of this database.  It just might have the
	settings you need.  If you create new settings, please send them to
	David for inclusion in the database.

	If this doesn't help you, the VideoModes.doc (by Eric Raymond) file
	with XFree86 contains tutorials on how to come up with these timings.
	It may be helpful to start with settings that almost work, and use
	this description to get them right.  When you do, send the information
	to David Wexelblat for inclusion in the database.

	NOTE: The old 'clock.exe' program is not supported any more, and
	      is completely unnecessary.  If you need to determine dot
	      clock values for a new board, remove the 'Clocks' line from
	      your Xconfig file (if present), and start the server.  The
	      server will probe for clocks itself and print them out.
	      You can use these values to put a 'Clocks' line into your
	      Xconfig file, which is not necessary, but will speed up
	      starting the server in the future.

14. Rebuilding/reconfiguring the server from the link kit

	If you have installed the server Binary Link Kit, it is possible to
	reconfigure the drivers and font renderers in the server.  This is
	fully explained in the README file that is available with the link kit.

V) What OS-specific things should I know about running XFree86?

	First of all, the server must be installed suid-root (mode 4755).

15. SVR4
	Why won't my xterm run properly?

	If your kernel is not built with the consem module, you should define
	CONSEM=no in you environment. Otherwise xterm won't run.
	csh users should use 'setenv CONSEM no'

	The Esix console driver patch 403019 is known to cause keymapping
	problems with XFree86.  It recommended that this patch not be
	installed.  Alternatively they keymap can be fixed with xmodmap.

16. SVR3

	Make sure you look at $FTP/README.ISC, if that's what you are running.

17. 386BSD

	Make sure you look at $FTP/README.386BSD.

	Also, a separate 386BSD FAQ is maintained by Richard Murphey
	<Rich@Rice.edu>.  The latest version should be available in the
	file XFree86-1.2-386BSD-FAQ at the following ftp sites:

	    agate.berkeley.edu:/pub/386BSD/0.1-ports/XFree86-1.2
	    wuarchive.wustl.edu:/mirrors4/386bsd/0.1-ports/XFree86-1.2
	    grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr:pub/386BSD/0.1-ports/XFree86-1.2

18. Linux

	You must be running Linux 0.97pl4 or greater, and have the 4.1 gcc
	jump libraries installed.

	Make sure the binaries X386, X386mono, xload and xterm are setuid root.

	If your kernel doesn't have TCP support compiled in, you'll have to
	run the server as "X -pn". The default startup configuration assumes
	that TCP is not available. If it is, change the two files
	/usr/X386/bin/startx and /usr/X386/lib/X11/xdm/Xservers, removing the
	-pn argument to X386.

	Make sure /dev/console is either a link to /dev/tty0 or has the major
	number 4, minor number 0. Also note that if /dev/console is not
	owned by the user running X, then xconsole and xterm will not permit
	console output redirection. Xdm will properly change the owner, but
	startx won't.

	When running xdm from rc.local, you will need to provide it with
	a tty, for example "xdm < /dev/console &".

	For more detailed information, please read the file README present
	with the distribution on tsx-11.mit.edu.

19. Mach

	Make sure you look at $FTP/README.Mach.

VI) What things should I know for building XFree86 from source?

	This section has been removed from the FAQ, since it is
	fully explained in $FTP/README and the OS-specific READMEs.
	Please look at those files for information on building XFree86.

VII) Is there anything special about building clients with XFree86?

20. BSD compatibility library

	A lot of clients make use of BSD functions like bcopy(), etc.
	The default configuration files are set up to link with libXbsd.a
	which contains emulation for bcopy(), bzero(), bcmp(), ffs(), random(),
	seed(). A better way of providing the 'b' functions is to include
	<X11/Xfuncs.h> in source files that call them.  Xfuncs.h provides macro
	definitions for these in terms of the SYSV 'mem' functions.  If you are
	linking with a vendor supplied library which calls some of these
	functions, then you should link with libXbsd.a

21. ANSICCOPTIONS

	This is something that was added to allow a developer to get rid of the
	ANSI-ness defined in the default CCOPTIONS without having to rewrite
	the entire CCOPTIONS line.  For example, with stock MIT, you'd see
	something like
		CCOPTIONS="-ansi -O2 -fwritable-strings"
	and to get rid of the ANSI-ness, the developer would have to put
		CCOPTIONS="-O2 -fwritable-strings"
	in his Imakefile.  With this change, you would see a default of
		ANSICCOPTIONS="-ansi"
		CCOPTIONS="-O2 -fwritable-strings"
	and all the developer would have to put in the Imakefile is:
		ANSICCOPTIONS=
	to get rid of the ANSI-ness (many X clients will die a horrible death
	with -ansi).  The effect is even more dramatic in practice, because
	CCOPTIONS is actually quite complex.  The other issue is that one must
	add 'ANSICCOPTIONS=$(ANSICCOPTIONS)' to a PassCDebugFlags definition.

XFree86 Contact Information

    Ongoing development planning and support is coordinated by the XFree86
    Core Team.  At this time the Core Team consists of:

	The original "gang of four":
		David Dawes <dawes@physics.su.oz.au>
		Glenn Lai <glenn@cs.utexas.edu>
		Jim Tsillas <jtsilla@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu>
		David Wexelblat <dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com>

	Those supporting non-SYSV operating systems:
		Robert Baron <Robert.Baron@ernst.mach.cs.cmu.edu> [Mach]
		Rich Murphey <Rich@Rice.edu> [386BSD]
		Orest Zborowski <obz@kodak.com> [Linux]

    e-mail sent to <xfree86@physics.su.oz.au> will reach all of the core team.

	--------------------------------------------------

Thanks to all the people who already sent me corrections or additions,
especially David Wexelblat (one of the major contributors of updates).


[...lots of stuff about intellectual errors deleted...]

This is cute, but I see no statement telling me why your church is the true
church. I do presume that you know or at least believe that yours is true.
Attempting to ream my faith without replacing it with something "better" is
a real good way to loose a person completely from Christ.

This is the greatest reason I see that these attacks are not motivated by
love. They only seek to destroy there is no building or replacing of belief.
This is not something Christ did. He guided and instructed He didn't
seek to destroy the faith He found, He redirected it.

This is what I see when people say they "love" <insert favorite group here>.
And I have to laugh at the irony.


I watched it live, and have re-watched it several times, and from the press
vantage point, there was only one starting point visible, where the tank
punched in on the windward side, and the winds whipped that fire across the
whole, dry, wooden, structure in minutes.  Faned by the 30 mph gusts, and the
Hueys.   If there were other fires started, they were not visible, nor were
they needed to cause the flame progression I observed.
All witnesses get thier paychecks from the FBI.

Yep.  They media has endorsed the FBI version without question.  Sad.

Jim
--
jmd@handheld.com


The last I heard, the author was having some problems in his immediate
family and had delayed the continuation of development for a time.
This was some months ago.

It's a shame.  The driver is the best memory manager I have found
ANYWHERE.  It doesn't require V8086 mode (like QEMM) so it works with
Ultima 7.  It doesn't take ANY memory (runs, then exits).

If only the EMM provider were a little faster and more stable.

--
tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu       \   These views respresent no one.   /   Now you
creek-tm@aza.csc.ncsu.edu   \   Even I won't claim them.       /   are here


Actually, Jerry Brown essentially did...and Clinton, in his demagogue
persona, condemned Brown for it in the crucial NY primary last year.

However....

Why don't the Republicans get their act together, and say they
will support a broad-based VAT that would have to be visible
(the VAT in Canada is visible unlike the invisible VATS they
have in Europe)
and suggest a rate sufficient to halve income and corporate
and capital gains tax rates and at a rate sufficient to give
the Clintons enough revenue for their health care reform, and
force an agreement with the Democrats that the top income tax
rate would then be frozen for the forseeable future and could
be increased only via a national referendum.

Why not make use of the Clintons to do something worthwhile...
shift the tax burden from investment to consumption, and get
health care reform, and a frozen low top marginal tax rate
all in one fell swoop.


I have tested this on a 230 and it does work there.  So it would
seem that the 140 and 170 are out though.  One way to tell is to
go and open the PowerBook control panel(7.1).  There is a setting
there that allows you to set the time to wake up the Mac.  If it
is present when you open the control panel, then you can assume that
SetWUTime will work.


If all of those are "is"'s of identity, both syllogisms are valid.
If, however, B is a predicate, then the second syllogism is invalid.
(The first syllogism, as you have pointed out, is valid--whether B
is a predicate or designates an individual.)


I love it, I love it, I love it!! Wish I could fit all that into a .sig
file! (If someone is keeping a list of Bobby quotes, be sure to include
this one!)

The Flat-Earthers state that "the Earth is flat" is a fact. I don't accept
this, I think it's an unproven opinion, and I think the Round-Earthers are
right because they have better evidence than the Flat-Earthers do.

Although I can't prove that a god doesn't exist, the arguments used to
support a god's existence are weak and often self-contradictory, and I'm not
going to believe in a god unless someone comes over to me and gives me a
reason to believe in a god that I absolutely can't ignore.

A while ago, I read an interesting book by a fellow called Von Daenicken,
in which he proved some of the wildest things, and on the last page, he
wrote something like "Can you prove it isn't so?" I certainly can't, but
I'm not going to believe him, because he based his "proof" on some really
questionable stuff, such as old myths (he called it "circumstancial
evidence" :] ).

So far, atheism hasn't made me kill anyone, and I'm regarded as quite an
agreeable fellow, really. :)


Here are some cool 3-D background patterns I made.

Edit your CONTROL.INI and add the following lines to your [Patterns] section.

Bricks=148 43 86 172 89 182 99 201
Tile=1 43 85 43 85 43 85 255
Tile (diagonal)=148 107 54 156 73 182 99 201
Slats=0 170 85 170 85 170 85 255

Make sure your desktop color is one of the standard 16 colors or the
patterns might not work.  I like dark grey the best with these.


A simple question to all the Xperts:

Is it possible to use several X-Terminals
with only one mouse and one keyboard?

Any suggestions?

Thanks, rainer.


Well, the message was interesting (and long), but TWICE? Oh Well. Personally,
I loathe libertarianism, but my disagreement is philisophical, not tactical.
Election law reform is a good idea. You would not believe what kind of stunts
the creatures of the 2 party system are capable of pulling.
============================================================================
David Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu)


What makes you think Buck will still be in New York at year's end with
George back?  :-)

--
    Keith Keller				LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
						LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!
	kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu		IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!


There are many Urban Legends (maybe this ought to be in the Crypt
FAQ?) about what is actually sufficient to clear or declassify
magnetic media when used for classified data.  Here is some
information "from the horse's mouth".

(Regarding the sufficient overwriting of media ("clearing") meant to
be *retained* within the controlled environment, or declassifying
the material to be reused *outside* the controlled environment,)

From National Telecommunications and Information Systems
Security (NTISS) "Advisory Memorandum on Office Automation
Security Guidelines"  (NTISSAM COMPUSEC/1/87):

------

"7.6.2.1 Clearing of Magnetic Media

Certain types of removable media (e.g., magnetic tape, floppy disk,
cassettes, and magnetic cards) may be cleared by overwriting the
entire media one time with any one character.  Floppy disks may be
cleared by applying a vendor's formatting program that overwrites
each location with a given character.

Fixed media (e.g., Winchester disks) should be cleared by overwriting
at least one time with any one character.  One way to do this is by
applying a vendor-supplied formatting program that overwrites each
location on the disk with a given character, if it can be shown that
this program actually works as advertised.  The user should beware:
some programs that purport to overwrite all locations do not
actually do this.

Cleared media may be resides within the controlled facility or
released for destruction; however, they should be marked and
controlled at the level of the most restrictive sensitivity of
information ever recorded.

7.6.2.2 Declassification of Magnetic Media

Certain types of removable media can be declassified using a
degaussing device that has been approved for declassifying media of
that type.  (A list of approved devices is maintained by the NSA.)

If a fixed medium (for example, a hard, or Winchester, disk) is
operative, an approved method of declassifying the disk pack is to
employ an overwrite procedure which must overwrite all
addressable locations at least three times by writing any character,
then its complement (e.g., binary ones and binary zeros)
alternatively.

When fixed  media become inoperative, it is impossible to declassify
the media by the overwrite method.  In this case, there are two
alternate procedures that may be used: (1) disassemble the disk
pack, and degauss each platter with the appropriate approved
degaussing equipment; and (2) courier the inoperative media to the
vendor's facility, have the magnetic media (e.g., disk platter)
removed in sight of the courier and returned to the courier for
destruction at the secure site.  The vendor can then install new
platters and repair any other problems with the disk unit.

7.6.3 Destruction of Magnetic Media"

[see DoD Computer Security Center, "Department of Defense Magnetic
Remanence Security Guideline", CSC-STD-003-85  FOR OFFICIAL USE
ONLY]

------

This and many other interesting documents (many that are more
informative than probably intended) on computer security procedures
can be obtained (free) from:

Executive Secretary
National Telecommunications and Informations
  Systems Security Committee
National Security Agency
Fort George G. Meade, MD  20755-6000

Write them!  It's fun to be on the NSA's mailing list...


Wasn't the beef with the English over "taxation WITHOUT REPRESENTATION",
not taxation itself?

From my admittedly dim recollection of US history, most of the problems
we Americans have had with taxes have been with unfair/unjust taxation
schemes, not with taxes themselves.  It's pretty hard to run a government
without any means of support.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
...Dale Cook    "Any town having more churches than bars has a serious
                   social problem." ---Edward Abbey
The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's)


The product you mention is XVideo from Parallax Graphics in Santa Clara,
California, US. You can read our product review in the Jan/Feb '93 issue
of The X Journal. That issues focuses on Multimedia and X, in which there
are also a number of other useful items, including an article on Video in
an X Window. Fax our New York office at 212.274.0646 for information on
obtaining back issues.

Steve


	Which, as it turns out, is just about everybody that's serious about
horses. What a bunch of weenie fashion nerds. And the helmets suck. I'm wearing
my Shoei mountain bike helmet - fuck em.>>>

	Nah, I can still walk unaided.

--
Go fast. Take chances.


Melissa, there is a simpler procedure called a "Dorsal slit" that is
really the first step of the usual circumcision.  It is simpler and
quicker, but the pain is about the same as circumcision after the
anesthetic wears off and the aesthetic result post healing is not as
good.  See your friendly urologist for more details.
                                                Len Howard
.


I'm running X under openwindows 3.  Normal X programs not having a
font specified always show up in the same font - until I change the
fontpath, and restart windows - then a new default font is used until
the next change.  I can't seem to figure out how it chooses.  Is there
some way to set this?  Possibly something in .Xdefaults???

Please reply in direct email - I summarize.


I have seen a fair bit of traffic recently concerning Epilepsy and
seizures.  I am also interested in this subject -- I have a son with
Epilepsy and I am very active with the local association.  I posted a
message like this a few months ago and received no replies, but here it
is again.

Is anyone interested in participating in a mailing list on Epilepsy and
seizures?  This would allow us to hold discussions and share
information via electronic mail.  I already run a Listserver for two
other groups, so the mechanics would be easy.

If you are interested, mail me a note.  If I get enough replies, I will
make it happen and provide you with the details.

BTW, I have also started a database on Epilepsy.  This is part of my
research on natural language question answering systems.  Users of this
service are able to ask questions about Epilepsy and the program
searches the database and retrieves its best response.  The technology
works by comparing your question against a set of questions that have
been seen before.  All new questions that are not answered are recorded
and used to improve the system.

This database is still small and sparse, but we are adding new
information.  To try it out, do the following

	telnet debra.dgbt.doc.ca
	login: chat

	Then select the Epilepsy item from the menu of databases.

--
Andrew Patrick, Ph.D.       Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, CANADA
                       andrew@calvin.dgbt.doc.CA


Hi,

I'm in the market for an internal color video adaptor for my PB 145.  I
was wondering if anyone has used the PowerVision adaptor made by
Mirror.  If so, can you tell me how feel about the speed and
compatability of it?  I might also be interested in other boards by
Envisio etc., so if you have such a board please e-mail your opinion of
it.  Thanks in advance.


It's on page 315, about 2 1/2 inches up from the bottom and an inch in
from the right.

At least we know what some people *haven't* read and remembered.


Diamond engagement ring.  14k gold band.  33point  diamond.  appraised at
1900 dollars.  Will sell for 600 dollars. Appraisal available upon request.
send e-mail to yb025@uafhp.uark.edu


It is called 'The Justice'. We also demand that the x-Soviet Armenian
Government admit its responsibility for the Turkish and Kurdish
Genocide, render reparations to the Muslim people, and return the
land to its rightful owners. The recognition of the Genocide has
become an issue which cannot be delayed further, and it is imperative
that artificial obstacles created for political manipulations be removed.

Are you the 'truelove' or 'falselove' of 'Arromdian' of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF
Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle?

"If Turks had behaved like Christians to use force to convert to Islam the
nations which they brought under their power, to which no one could have
opposed, today there would be no Eastern problem. But Turks did not do so.
They obeyed the word of the Koran to permit everybody "to worship in their own
way" centuries before Frederick the Great pronounced his famous dictum. Thus,
in an age when the Christian Europe itself shed Christian blood and when
people in Europe enjoyed inflicting inhuman tortures upon those whose beliefs
differed from theirs, the Ottoman Empire became the sole country where the
inquisition did not exist, where deaths at the stake were unheard of and
where accusations of witchcraft were not made. And the barbarian (!) Turkey
was the only country where the Jews persecuted and chased away everywhere
by the Christians, could find asylum. These facts demonstrate that Muslim
countries provided spiritually far better living conditions than Christian
countries."[1]

"The Turks, who are a conquering nation, did not Turkify the nations that came
under their rule; instead, they respected their religions and traditions. It
was a stroke of luck for Romania to live under Turkish rule instead of
Russian or Austrian rule. Because otherwise there would not have been a
Romanian nation today" (Popescu Ciocanel).

"Turks rule over people under their administration only externally, without
interfering with their internal structures. On account of this, the autonomy
of minorities in Turkey is better and more complete than any in the most
advanced European countries."[2]

"...human beings hate each other on account of religious differences. This flaw
is older than Islam and Christianity. But there has never been any examples
of this adjuration in Turkey because Turks never oppress anybody on account
of his religion. If enmity on the basis of religion had been such a case of
simple contempt among us too, or if it did not keep translating itself into
action, many nations in our Europe would probably have considered themselves
happy!" (A. de Mortraye).[3]

"Turkey never became a scene for religious terror or for the cruelty of the
inquisition. On the contrary, it served as an asylum for the unfortunate
victims of Christian fanaticism. If you look into history, you will see that
in the fifteenth century thousands of Jews who were expelled from Spain and
Portugal found such a good asylum in Turkey that their descendants have been
living there very calmly all through these approximately three hundred years,
and are only forced to defend themselves in some countries against the
cruelty of Christians, especially that of the Orthodoxes. No Jew is able to
appear in public during Easter celebrations in Athens, even today. In Turkey,
however, if the Israelites are insulted by the Greek and Armenian communities,
local courts immediately take them under their protection."

"In that vast and calm country of the sultan, all religions and nations are
living together peacefully. Although the mosque is superior to the church and
the synagogue, it does not replace them. Because of this, the Catholic sect is
more free in Istanbul and Smyrna compared with Paris and Lyon. In addition
to the fact that no law in Turkey prohibits the open-air ceremonies of this
sect, neither does any law imprison its cross in the church. While the
dead are being taken to the graves, a long line of priests bear processional
candles and chant Catholic hymns. When all the priests in all the churches in
the Galata and Beyoglu districts go into the streets and form clerical
processions during the Eucharist celebrations, chanting hymns and bearing
their crosses and religious banners, a detachment of soldiers escorts them
which forces even the Turks to stand in respect around the group of
priests." (A. Ubicini).[4]

[1]  Ah. Djevat, "Yabancilara Gore Eski Turkler," 3rd ed. (Istanbul, 1978),
     pp. 70-71.
[2]  Ibid., p.91.
[3]  Ibid., pp. 214-215.
[4]  Ibid., pp. 215-216.

Serdar Argic


[Please, note the Newsgroups.]

Recent discussion about XV's problems were held in some newsgroup.
Here is some text users of XV might find interesting.
I have added more to text to this collection article, so read on, even
you so my articles a while ago.

I hope author of XV corrects those problems as best he can, so fine
program XV is that it is worth of improving.
(I have also minor ideas for 24bit XV, e-mail me for them.)

Any misundertanding of mine is understandable.

Juhana Kouhia

==clip==

[ ..deleted..]

Note that 'xv' saves only 8bit/rasterized images; that means that
the saved jpegs are just like jpeg-to-gif-to-jpeg quality.
Also, there's three kind of 8bit quantizers; your final image quality
depends on them too.

This were the situation when I read jpeg FAQ a while ago.

IMHO, it is design error of 'xv'; there should not be such confusing
errors in programs.
There's two errors:
  -xv allows the saving of 8bit/rasterized image as jpeg even the
   original is 24bit -- saving 8bit/rasterized image instead of
   original 24bit should be a special case
  -xv allows saving the 8bit/rasterized image made with any quantizer
   -- the main case should be that 'xv' quantizes the image with the
   best quantizer available before saving the image to a file; lousier
   quantizers should be just for viewing purposes (and a special cases
   in saving the image, if at all)

==clip==

==clip==

[ ..deleted..]

It is limit of *XV*, but not limit of design.
It is error in design.
It is error that 8bit/quantized/rasterized images are stored as jpegs;
jpeg is not designed to that.

As matter of fact, I'm sure when XV were designed 24bit displays were
known. It is not bad error to program a program for 8bit images only
at that time, but when 24bit image formats are included to program the
whole design should be changed to support 24bit images.
That were not done and now we have
 -the program violate jpeg design (and any 24bit image format)
 -the program has human interface errors.

Otherway is to drop saving images as jpegs or any 24bit format without
clearly saying that it is special case and not expected in normal use.

[ ..deleted.. ]

==clip==

Some new items follows.

==clip==

I have seen that XV quantizes the image sometimes poorly with -best24
option than with default option we have.
The reason surely is the quantizer used as -best24; it is (surprise)
the same than used in ppmquant.

If you remember, I have tested some quantizers. In that test I found
that rlequant (with default) is best, then comes djpeg, fbmquant, xv
(our default) in that order. In my test ppmquant suggeeded very poorly
-- it actually gave image with bad artifacts.

I don't know is ppmquant improved any, but I expect no.
So, use of XV's -best24 option is not very good idea.

I suggest that author of XV changes the quantizer to the one used in
rlequant -- I'm sure rle-people gives permission.
(Another could be one used in ImageMagick; I have not tested it, so I
can say nothing about it.)

==clip==

==clip==

Some minor bugs in human interface are:

Key pressings and cursor clicks goes to a buffer; Often it happens
that I make click errors or press keyboard when cursor is in the wrong
place. It is very annoying when you have waited image to come about
five minutes and then it is gone away immediately.
The buffer should be cleaned when the image is complete.

Also, good idea is to wait few seconds before activating keyboard
and mouse for XV after the image is completed.
Often it happens that image pops to the screen quickly, just when
I'm writing something with editor or such. Those key pressings
then go to XV and image has gone or something weird.

In the color editor, when I turn a color meter and release it, XV
updates the images. It is impossible to change all RGB values first
and then get the updated image. It is annoying wait image to be
updated when the setting are not ready yet.
I suggest of adding an 'apply' button to update the exchanges done.


There were many injustices in the middle ages.  And this is truely sad.
I would hate to see a day when churches put people to death or torchured
them for practicing homosexuality, or any other crime.  The church is not
called to take over the governments of the world.  It may be that homosexuals
treated cruelly today, but that does not mean that we should teach
Christians to practice homosexual immorality.  Do you think that we should
also teach Christians to practice divination and channelling because
the witches in the middle ages were persecuted.

And you accuse me of judging?  When did you look into my heart and see
if I have love.  I have been writing that we should not teach Christians
to practice homosexual immorality, and you pretend to have divine knowledge
to look into my heart.  I can't say that I love homosexuals as I should-
I can't say that I love my neighbor as I should either.  I don't know
very many homosexuals as it is.

But Jesus loves homosexuals, just as He loves everyone else.  If His love
were conditional, I not know Him at all.  Yes.  We should show love to
homosexuals, but it is not love to encourage brothers in the church to
stumble and continue in their sin.  That is a very damaging and dangerous
thing.

That is slander.   I could just as easily say  that NAMBLA has been able
to implement legislation to make child molesting easier because of
the tearing down of societies morality due to people accepting homosexuality
as normal, and that this is what you are embracing.  I do believe
that homosexual sex is immoral, that does not mean I endorse using violence
against them.  There is a problem of hatred in the church.  But there
is also the problem of what has been called "unsanctified mercy."
Many in the conservative churches have seen the moral breakdown in
this country and the storm on the horizon, and have gotten militant in
the flesh.  This is truely sad.  Yet others in other churches have
embraced immorality in society, and have pointed to the carnality in the
conservative churches to justify their actions.

Certainly we should not use a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus.
But we shouldn't water down the gospel to draw people in.  Jesus didn't
go out of His way to show only what might be considered positive aspects
to draw people in.  He told one man to sell all He had.  He told
another not to say good bye to His family.  His words were hard at times.
We should present people with the cost of the tower before we allow them
to begin construction.  many people have already been innoculated to the
gospel.

Link Hudson.


I just installed a new TrueType font under MS-Windows 3.1
but though all the applications display the font correctly on the
screen, quite a few of them fail to print out the document correctly
(on a LaserJet 4 - non-PostScript printer).

When I use the font in CorelDRAW, the document prints correctly, so I assume
CorelDRAW knows that the font has to be downloaded to the printer.

But when I use the Windows accessory Write, the printer prints square
boxes in place of the characters of the new font. Yet, Write does
display the font correctly on the screen.

I looked through all the Windows and LaserJet manuals, but got nowhere.
All of them just make the statement that TrueType fonts will print
exactly as you see them on the screen---so I assume Windows knows that a font
has to be downloaded automatically---but, how to make it do that????


/(Frank DeCenso)
/>
/>I need to prioritize things in my life, and this board is not all that important
/>to me.

Of course it is.  It forms a very big part of your self-respect.  You come onto
the board, thinking you're some sort of apologeticist for your faith, and you
routinely get roasted over a grill for stupid theories and unfounded assumptions.

/(Frank DeCenso)
/This board will have
/>to wait until (if ever) I can organize my life to fit it in.  I tried dropping
/>out, but Sieferman coerced me to come back.  He won't this time.

I doubt that Sieferman has anything to do with you dropping out.

It's probably closer to the truth to say that you don't have the cards to
play in this game (because you insist on playing from a losing hand), and you're
finally realizing it.  You will lurk on the board, and keep
quiet for a while, looking for an area where you are *certain* that you
are correct, and then we'll see you pop back in again.  Of course, you then
will say that you have merely returned because your life is now "in order".


Bo Bilinsky?


	And Lebanon has a right to make this decision without Syrian
troops controlling the country.  Until Syria leaves, and free
elections take place, its is rediculous to claim that the Lebanese
would even be involved in determining what happens to their country.

	I expect you will agree that the same holds true for Syria
having no right to be in Lebanon?

	The UN also thought Zionism is racism.  That fails to make it true.

	They lasted weeks against tanks in '48, and stopped those
tanks from advancing.  They also lasted days in '73.  There is little
evidence for the claim that they are military liabilities.

	They evidence is there to show that when infiltrations take
place over the Jordan river, the existance of large, patrolled
kibutzim forces terrorists into a very small area, where they are
usually picked up in the morning.

	Nonsense.  Israel has been trying to get its neighbors to the
negotiating table for 40 years.  It was the gulf war that brought the
arabs to the table, not the Israelis.

	Nonsense.  According to Arafat, Israel must be destroyed.  He
has never come clean and denied that this is his plan.  He always
waffles on what he means.

	``When the Arabs set off their volcano, there will only be Arabs in
	this part of the world.  Our people will continue to fuel the torch
	of the revolution with rivers of blood until the whole of the
	occupied homeland is liberated...''
	--- Yasser Arafat, AP, 3/12/79

Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu


                     ^^^^^^^
Ooops...that should read Selke...forgive me for my insolence.

congenially, as always,

jd

--
James David
j3david@student.business.uwo.ca


Is Impulse shipping IMAGINE for the PC386/486?  How close is it to the
Amiga's IMAGINE 2.0, in terms of features?


It was a test of the first reusable tool.

Pointy so they can find them or so they will stick into their pants better, and
be closer to their brains?


  greetings:
  you may be in luck.  i seem to recall seeing a blurb in one of
the kit car magazines about a company in norway who pulled a
mould (sp?) off a real kubel, and has adapted it to the beetle
floorpan.  as for the suspension, all i can remember about the
vw thing i used to own is that it had about 3" more suspension
travel than a stock beetle, but i'd heard that there were after-
market parts for off-road use that were as good or better.  note
that the major difference (looks wise) between a kubel & a thing
are the hood and the fenders.  the kubel had an external spare
mounted *on* the hood, and the hood sloped down (for visibility?)
sharply, and had rounded fenders.  the thing has a lightly sloped
hood with the spare mounted inside (unless moved to make for more
luggage space...) and has half-hexagon shaped fenders (imagine a
nut large enough to put a tire *in*, and cut off the bottom half
of it...).
  unfortunately, i don't have that info anymore.  try stopping
at a local bookstore and copying down the phone numbers for the
two big mag's and calling them.  they might be able to get the
number for you (don't forget to calculate the time difference to
norway before calling...).

later,
kc


Jesus certainly demonstrated the great depth of his love for the
children who died today at the Davidian complex.

Sorry, but the events today made me even more negative concering
organized religion.

Cheers,
Kent


I heard boot_b.zip could do exactly what you wanted without touching
anything. Check it out with archie.


Dear Xperts,

I'm developing an application that uses a Motif slider to select
an image file out of a directory. Now I would like to display the
name of the file corresponding to the value of the dragged scale
button (i.e. with the MB1 pressed). As XmNshowValue only displays
the current value of the scale button and not the actual corresponding
image file name, I thought of using an XtAddEventHandler to do
the mapping between the scale value and the file name:

XtAddEventHandler(scaleImage,Button1MotionMask,  FALSE, SliderMoved, NULL);

and in the eventhandler do a:

  while (XCheckTypedWindowEvent (display, event->window, MotionNotify, &Return))
   ;
  XmScaleGetValue(scaleImage,&value);
  /*map value to file entry in directory and finally obtain file name to open*/

However, when I move the pointer in the scale widget I get callbacks, with of co
   urse
a null effect as my MB1 is not pressed to move the scale button. So what is goin
   g wrong?
Or is the a wrong approach to this problem?
Any hints are highly appreciated.


Dear Netters:

I am looking to buy a used Eagle Talon '91 or '91 TSi AWD.
Question is that the '91 TSi AWD was mentioned in the
April Consumer Reports to a car to avoid!

In particular, the manual transmission, electrical system,
and brakes were below par (in both models).  A friend of mine
ownes a '90 TSi AWD and he has had 2 brake jobs (pads), one
stuck valve, and some clutch/transmission problem, something
about sticking/grinding into second gear.  This doesn't seem
too bad if one "beats" on his car.

I am willing to suffer reliability--for speed and looks.  Seems
you have to pay big buck if you want all three.  Anyway can
anyone please let me know how you like your Talon, and any
problems you may have had, and if the repairs are worth it.

Thanks for any responses!


Also, it appears that two of the three Marines have some sort of charges
pending against them from another fight they were in a week before.
Interesting.

Frank

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Frank R. Chloupek
CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Department of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University
(Not just any Ohio State University)


Peter, I think you are ridiculous here. Stupidity is not a measure of how
well someone knows our judicial system. I guess Marc meant that he is
against death penalty. But no matter what he meant, your statement not
justified.

Regards,


Hmm.  $1 billion, lesse... I can probably launch 100 tons to LEO at
$200 million, in five years, which gives about 20 tons to the lunar
surface one-way.  Say five tons of that is a return vehicle and its
fuel, a bigger Mercury or something (might get that as low as two
tons), leaving fifteen tons for a one-man habitat and a year's supplies?
Gee, with that sort of mass margins I can build the systems off
the shelf for about another hundred million tops.  That leaves
about $700 million profit.  I like this idea 8-)  Let's see
if you guys can push someone to make it happen 8-) 8-)

[slightly seriously]


  ^^^^^^^^

Well, I'm not sure I'd go quite that far, but I agree that Motorola
gear is of better quality.  The question is how much that quality
is worth to a ham in amateur service, not commercial service

Ok, great. But how often does that come up?  How good is
"good enough", and how much is someone willing to pay for it?
A good ham-quality HT is maybe $500, while a commercial
quality one is maybe $2000. Is the increased reliability and
performance worth 4 times the price *in amateur service*?
Only the individual involved can answer that question, and each
ham has to decide for him/herself.  If Motorola quality is worth
4 times the price to you, then more power to ya'. But I'm amazed
that folks make that choice. For, me, given that I've got $2000 to
spend, I'l pick the Yaesu ht and a nice new HF rig every time over
a Motorola ht alone, no matter how good it is.  To me, ham-quality
gear is "good enough". To each his own...

73... Mike, N4PDY


Re Eric: True, but fortunately we didn't get to find out what they would be
like without Recchi for 30 games.

Soderstrom: Absolutely. 4 shutouts in 39 games for a rookie without a lot
of defense in front of him. Runnerups to Galley and Fedyk who are scoring
a ton over their career best. But Galley thinks he's Paul Coffey (puts scoring
ahead of defending) and Fedyk has tailed off big time.

Eklund: Was a big question mark this year and was coming off injuries. 42
points in 49 games is not bad at all, and recently he's been a huge factor
in the wins they've gotten. Eklund has never had a point a game season in
his career, his production is very typical for him. How does he qualify as
a disappointment? If anything he's a surprise.

My choice would be Roussel if I went strictly by what was expected of players,
but I never thought that he had what it takes to be a #1 goalie. My biggest
disappointment is Bill Dineen. I thought that he was going to be the perfect
coach for this young team, instead he's made too many bad moves and IMHO
has cost them enough games to keep them out of the playoffs this year. Any
coach that thinks putting Eric Lindros at the point on power plays is a
bright idea needs to go back to coaching school.


Well, the Red Sox have apparenly resigned Herm Winningham to a AAA contract.
Ted "Larry" Simmons signed him to a AAA contract then released him from
Buffalo, allowing Lou "Curly" Gorman to circumvent the rule about not
resigning free agents until May 1. Clearly, neither of these guys is bright
enough to be Moe.

 Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com


From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson)

	>Also.. how about a box that you plug your phone into, which would allow
	>encrypted voice communications with someone who has a similar box?
	>(digitizing input speech, transmitting, and decrypting on the other end).  I
	>don't know how a public-key system could work in this regard, but it might
	[...]

	heh heh... I posted this just before reading all the Clinton Chip messages..
	I guess they beat me to it..  Anyway, I think it would be a great idea to
	develop such a product, perhaps in the underground, as it would otherwise
	probably become illegal pretty quickly here...

It's really very feasible and shouldn't be too expensive - all that's needed
is a box with a phone jack on one side, a DSP in the middle to do codec
functions of speech->compressed bytestream, and an RS232 on the other side.

You'd plug your phone into it, plug the RS232 into your computer, and have
a good old fashioned normal modem on your other RS232 port.  The CPU in the
middle would do the encryption with a version of pgp modified to work on
a byte stream.

With v32bis or better modems to carry the bytestream, it should work.
Quality would only be marginally lower than a normal telephone.

At the very highest price, you could use one of those voice-mail compatible
modems to do the digitisation - that puts an upper bound of about $500 on
the cost of such a box.  In practice, you really ought to be able to get
the price well below $100 - I could do it now in software on my cheap&nasty
home RISC box (Acorn Archimedes) with the digitising microphone I bought
for 25 pounds, if I knew how to write good speech compression software
(which I don't).

The reason it won't work of course is that hardly anyone will have one -
the only consumer equipment to have encryption will use the wiretap chip.
Economics, I'm afraid.

However... we can get about 2Kcps throughput on the internet even with
the bottleneck of a v32bis modem.  When we get ISDN for all (ha ha ha)
and the new NREN, it might then be trivial to run compressed speech
over a tcp/ip connection on the Internet.  Perhaps we should start
thinking now of a standard to keep voice on the internet compatible
for everyone, and side-step the clipper stuff and use internet for
all our phone calls in future :-)  [1/2 joking]


there is a file out there (look for it with archie) that is called
'theref22.zip' which has lots of info on various PC things,
amongst which is also a detailed description of all Floppy controller
commands, I think hard drive controller commands are not there.

it is possible to read an entire track including all gaps, sector
headers etc.   by setting sector size to something very large (like
8K).


Hey all...I got an equation editor, and since it didn't automagically
appear in my "object" dialog box (i.e. insert-->object-->equation), I
decided to manually place it there.  So I went into win.ini (is there
another way to do this?), the [embedding] section, and added

equation=equation,equation,<path\filename>,picture.

didn't work.
quit windows, go back.  AHA: mistake. Correct it.  It looks fine.
start windows...doesn't work.  play with it for a while, at one point
having two entries to see if one works and th'other don't, and finally I
get it to work.  The only thing I can see that's different now is that
it's now the first item on the list, and it used to be the last.  But
now I end up with *three* "equation" entried, and *all* of them working.
(and only one entry in win.ini).

so does any netian know what's wrong? or rather, how to correct this?
(i.e. make "equation"appear but once?).

Also, all the entries in the [embedding] appear as above.
It's obvious that <path\filename> is the executable, or whatever, and
"picture" has something to do withthe way it appears
(picture/description?)

but what are the others?
i.e., in

soundrec=sound,sound,
whate's the difference between the 1st "sound" and the 2nd?
and what is "soundrec"?? (I don't think it's the name of the executable,
as other entries (e.g. MSWorksChart=...) aren't)

thanks, i.a.
Mickey


   >You can also swab the inside of your nose with Bacitracin using a
   >Q tip. Bacitracin is an antibiotic that can be bought OTC as an
   >ointment in a tube. The doctor I listen to on the radio says to apply
   >it for 30 days, while you are taking other antibiotics by mouth.

   I have a new doctor who gave me a prescription today for something called
   Septra DS.  He said it may cause GI problems and I have a sensitive stomach
   to begin with.  Anybody ever taken this antibiotic.  Any good?  Suggestions
   for avoiding an upset stomach?  Other tips?

I've taken Septra.  My daughter has taken it many times for ear
infections.  It works sometimes.  It is a sulfa drug.  About the only
problem I found was that I'm sensitive and developed a rash after nine
days of a ten day course.  No more Septra for me.  My doctor was
remiss in not telling me to watch out for a rash.  I was quite in the
dark and didn't realize that it could be a drug reaction.  No harm
done though.

Doug


No, it isn't.  It is the "X Window System", or "X11", or "X" or any of
a number of other designations accepted by the X Consortium.  In fact,
doing "man X" on pretty much any X11 machine will tell you:

     The X Consortium requests that the following names  be  used
     when referring to this software:

                                  X
                           X Window System
                             X Version 11
                     X Window System, Version 11
                                 X11

There is no such thing as "X Windows" or "X Window", despite the repeated
misuse of the forms by the trade rags.  This probably tells you something
about how much to trust the trade rags -- if they can't even get the NAME
of the window system right, why should one trust anything else they have
to say?

With regard to dialup X11 implementations, there are several.  You can
buy serial X11 terminals from a couple of companies, including both
GraphOn and NCD.  (In fact, I'm composing this from an NCD running X11
over serial lines across 14.4 kbaud connection.)

NCD also sells a software-only package that provides XRemote (which is
NCD's implementation of serial X11) for PC's.  There may be other such
software packages available.

X11R6 is supposed to include a standardized compression scheme for running
X11 over low-speed connections.  It's called Low Bandwidth X (LBX), and
is based on improved versions of the techniques used in NCD's XRemote.

It seems likely that once LBX is released as a Consortium standard, there
will be several vendors willing to supply implementations for various
sorts of hardware.

Followups directed to comp.windows.x


I see, it is not rational, but it is intellectual. Does madness qualify
as intellectual engagement, too?

Exactly why science uses mathematics. QM representation in natural language
is not supposed to replace the elaborate representation in mathematical
terminology. Nor is it supposed to be the truth, as opposed to the
representation of gods or religions in ordinary language. Admittedly,
not  every religion says so, but a fancy side effect of their inept
representations are the eternal hassles between religions.

And QM allows for making experiments that will lead to results that will
be agreed upon as being similar. Show me something similar in religion.

With the effect that the models presented are useless. And one can argue
that the other way around, namely that the only reason metaphysics still
flourish is because it makes no statements that can be verified or falsified -
showing that it is bogus.


---

I was wondering, what copy protection techniques are avaliable, and how
effective are they?  Has anyone have any experience in this area?

                      With highest regards,
                           Babak   Sehari.


Jeff Fenholt claims to have once been a roadie for Black Sabbath.
He was never ever a musician in the band.  He was in St. Louis several
months back.  The poster I saw at the Christian bookstore I frequent
really turned me off.  It was addressed to all "Homosexuals, prostitutes,
drug addicts, alcoholics, and headbangers..." or something like that.

Well, if I showed up with my long hair and black leather jacket I
would have felt a little pre-judged.  As a Orthodox Christian, and
a "headbanger" I was slightly insulted at being lumped together with
drug addicts and alcoholics.  Oh yes, I suppose since I drink a good
German beer now and then that makes me an alcoholic.  NOT!


Hitherto have ye asked nothing
	in my name:
	ask, and ye shall receive,
	that your joy may be full.