Note: These trial updates are summarized from reports in the
_Idaho Statesman_ and the local NBC affiliate television
station, KTVB Channel 7.

Randy Weaver/Kevin Harris trial update: Day 4.

Friday, April 16, 1993 was the fourth day of the trial.

Synopsis: Defense attorney Gerry Spence cross-examined agent
Cooper under repeated objections from prosecutor Ronald
Howen.  Spence moved for a mistrial but was denied.

The day was marked by a caustic cross-examination of Deputy
Marshal Larry Cooper by defense attorney Gerry Spence.  Although
Spence has not explicitly stated so, one angle of his stategy
must involve destroying the credibility of agent Cooper.  Cooper is
the government's only eyewitness to the death of agent Degan.
Spence attacked Cooper's credibility by pointing out discrepancies
between Cooper's statements last September and those made in court.
Cooper conceded that, "You have all these things compressed into
a few seconds...It's difficult to remember what went on first."

Cooper acknowledged that he carried a "9mm Colt Commando submachine
gun with a silenced barrel." [I thought a Colt Commando was a revolver!]
Cooper continued by stating that the federal agents had no specific
plans to use the weapon when they started to kill Weaver's dog.

When Spence asked how seven cartridges could be fired by Degan's
M-16 rifle when Degan was apparently dead, Cooper could not say for
sure that Degan did not return fire before going down.

Spence continued by asking with how many agents (and to what extent)
had Cooper discussed last August's events, Cooper responded, "If
you're implying that we got our story together, you're wrong,
counselor."  Spence continued to advance the defense's version of
the events: Namely, that a marshal had started the shooting by
killing the Weaver's dog.  Cooper disagreed.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Ronald Howen repeatedly objected to Spence's
virulent cross-examination of agent Cooper, arguing that the questions
were repetitive and Spence was wasting time.  Howen also complained
that Spence was improperly using a cross-examination to advance the
defense's version of the events.  U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge
sustained many of the objections; however, both lawyers persisted
until Judge Lodge had the jury leave the room and proceded to
admonish both attorneys.  "I'm not going to play games with either
counsel.  This has been a personality problem from day 1, so start
acting like professionals."

Spence told the judge that, "When all the evidence is in, we'll see
that ... his [agent Larry Cooper] testimony is not credible, that
he was panicked and cannot remember the sequence of events."
Spence continued, "We're going to find...that there is a very unlikely
similarity - almost as if it had come out of a cookie cutter - between
the testimony of Mr. Cooper and the other witnesses."

Spence then moved for a mistrial on the grounds that Howen's repeated
objections would prevent a fair trial, "We can't have a fair trial if the
jury believes I'm some sort of charlatan, if the jury believes I'm
bending the rules or engaging in some delaying tactic or that I'm
violating court orders."

Judge Lodge called the notion that his repeated sustainings of Howen's
objections had somehow prejudiced the jury was "preposterous" and
denied the motion for a mistrial.  Lodge did tell Howen to restrict
his comments when objecting.

The trial resumed with the prosecution calling FBI Special Agent Greg
Rampton.  The prosecution's purpose was simply to introduce five
weapons found in the cabin as evidence: However, the defense seized
on the opportunity to further address Cooper's credibility.

Defense attorney Ellison Matthews (Harris' other attorney) questioned
Rampton about the dog.  Rampton stated that there were no specific
plans to kill the Weaver's dog without being detected.  Matthews then
had Rampton read  a Septtember 15, 1992 transcript in which Rampton
had said that Cooper had said that the purpose of the silenced weapon
was to kill the dog without being detected, if the dog chased them.
Rampton then acknowledged that he believed that Cooper had said that,
but he could not remember when.  He then stated that, "I did not conduct
the primary interview with Deputy Cooper, but I have had conversations
with him since the interview was conducted."


Why don't you look again at Motor Trend's, slalom times, they are 67.9, right
along with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that
are all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than
a Beretta.
Your acceleartion times also vary, magazine to magazine
Road & Track and Car& Driver have the GS-R at 6.8 to 8.0 for Road and Track.
Also Quarter mile times vary from 15.4 to 16.1
You can't tell exactly by the numbers.  Furthermore, the Integra will
definately outrun the Beretta on the high end.  Car & Driver and Road & track
have the GS-R doing 136 to 141 mph, and it gets there fast.

***You always believe those exact numbers, why don't you drive a GS-R, and see
for your self, while the GS-R has a low 117 torqye, its high gearing over a 8000
rpm make up for the difference (still wouldn't call it a torque moster though!)

Quad 4 reliable, yeah, what's your definition of reliable- if that's reliable,
then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect
 (not to mention, a hell of alot smoother and quieter - balance shafts.The Acura has the engine
   wins the reliablity contest hands down. You can rev that car all day, everyday,
and you'll never blow a hose, or crack the block, or anything else. (I speak
from expierence!)
I'm not saying the Quad 4 is a bad engine, but don't highlight reliability when you
comparing it to a Acura Engine.  AND while the Integra costs alot more, it is a
better investment since it will hold its value considerably much better.  And
does a nice job at being a sporty car and practical at the same time.


Might the problem not be with the video monitor instead?  Many of our
monitors, as they age, develop shadows on white and bright colors.


   I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
   This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
   (read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty,
   fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).

I'd say this is a very bad idea - you should start out with something
much mellower so that neither one of you get in over your head.
That particular road requires full concentration - not the sort of
thing you want to take a passenger on for the first time.

Once you both decide that you like riding together, and want to do
something longer and more challenging, *then* go for a hard core road
like Mines-Mt. Hamilton.

In any case, it's *your* (moral) responsibility to make sure that she
has proper gear that fits - especially if you're going sport
riding.


Morphine or demerol is about the only effective way of stopping pain
that severe.  Obviously, she'll need a prescription to get such drugs.
Can't she go to the county hospital or something?

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."


John Berryhill, Ph.D. writes

umm, please don't lump us all together. It's those blatant,
fundamentalist pickers that give the rest of us a bad name. Some of
us try very hard to be discreet and stay alert.


    Help!! I need code/package/whatever to take 3-D data and turn it into
a wireframe surface with hidden lines removed. I'm using a DOS machine, and
the code can be in ANSI C or C++, ANSI Fortran or Basic. The data I'm using
forms a rectangular grid.
   Please post your replies to the net so that others may benefit. IMHO, this
is a general interest question.
   Thank you!!!!!!


So what does that have to do with RBI's?  The team with the most RBI's
doesn't necessarily win the game.

Yes, runs are the most important statistice -- for a *team*.  (So why does
every newspaper rank team offense by batting average?)

But for an individual player, runs and RBIs are context-dependent, and tell
us very little about the player himself, and more about his teammates and
position in the batting order.


Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of
doing this.  I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading
this group, from code to hardware to algorithms.  I just think making 5
different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts
a week per group.  I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum
for discussing all aspects of graphics.  Anyone else feel this way?
Just curious.


Hi
	I have an Orchid Fahrenheit VLB with 2MB of DRAM.  It is an S3
86c805 based card.  I had a problem for a while after installing my
second meg of DRAM for the video, and thanks to Orchid, I got a fix
from their tech support (it was jumper settings not given in the
ordinary manual.  I assume it would come with memory ordered from
them, so I guess I should be glad they didn't just say "Buy the memory
from us" or something like that.)

	The one thing that I was puzzled by was why there was not a
1024x768x32k color mode on the thing, either in full screen or
enlarged desktop mode.  My ATI Ultra Plus can handle that, given 2MB
of memory.  All the 2MB buys you on the Fahrenheit is 1280x1024x256.
Just ONE more mode.  GEEZ.  Had I known, I wouldn't have bothered.  I
asked them why, and all I got was "Your point is well taken, but
Orchid's software developers are busy with other projects."

	So, to get to the point, finally, ARE there any s3 86c805
drivers out there that can handle high res hicolor modes?  I'd love to
get another card, but perhaps it will have to wait until the next
generation of cards comes out, since this card came bundled with my
system and it's not so easy to exchange these things unless they're
broken.

	If you want these modes, steer away from Orchids s3 86c805
cards (ie. VLB or VA/VLB), at least until their developers are "less
busy".  If the magazines are to believed, I've only seen one s3 86c805
product thus far which can handle 1024x768x32k color (Genoa?),
although evenn that might be a misprint.

	Please, if there are generic or semi-generic drivers out
there, let me know where I can get them.  800x600x32k is OK, but I
coulda gotten that with my ATI VGA Wonder XL.


too bad he doesn't bring the ability to hit, pitch, field or run.


Excerpts from netnews.comp.windows.x: 19-Apr-93 Monthly Question about
XCop.. Buzz Moschetti@bear.com (1055)

Hmmm.... Clearly?  Depends on your programming model.  It is not at all
forbidden to draw outside the context of an expose event.  Certainly any
internal data structures should be maintained such that the visual
appearance would be maintained properly whenever an expose event happens
to be generated.  This doesn't preclude drawing immediately after
updating the datastructures though...


This is the final public update to my dragon magazine auction.  If there
are no new bids then the current bids stand (like that's gonna  happen.  :) ).
After this, any updates will be by E-mail *ONLY*.  The entire auction
will end as soon as the bids stop coming in.  So if you want to get in
on  this, be sure to bid now.  All bids must be made in *AT LEAST*
25 cent increments.  Buyer will pay shipping.  (Unless you have any
particular fancy, it will be US mail 4th class special, with lots of
padding).
All dragons are bagged.  The condition of them vary quite a bit,
so I've come up with my own condition system.  Some dragons may be missing
items like the inserts.  If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
*
Condition ratings - Usually this is just an evaluation of the cover, as
most of the material inside is in great shape.
Excellent - IE-"As you find them in the store"
Very Good - Still in great condition, but can tell it's been boughten
Good      - On down the line
Very Fair/fair - indicates lots of use (But still "decent")
Poor      -  Indicates the material inside may be damaged (usually by
scissors).
A * by the condition indicates that something from the magazine is
missing (usually the insert)
I'll post another public update sometime this weekend (which will be the
final public posting, after which the auction will be by e-mail until
the bidding stops)
*
Again if you have any questions, ask away.
*
arrow      $2.50 056 - Fair     *- Top secret module missing - Bard tunes -
real maps
TN.DE7     $3.0  073 - Good      - Forest of Doom module (detached but
included) - inner planes
ykchev     $1.75 074 - Good     *- Combat computer missing - 4 dragons
TN.DE7     $1.50 078 - Good/VG   - Monsters - aquatic AD&D module (detached
but included) - Language lesson
geoffrey   $1.50 079 - Good/VG   - top secret module (detached but
included) - magic resistance
mayla      $2.50 081 - Fair      - High level AD&D module (detached but
included) - poison - material spell components
UCCXKVB    $2.00 082 - Very Fair*- Baton races game insert missing - spell
research
TN.DE7     $1.50 083 - Good/VG   - Babba Yagga's Hut module (detached but
included) - unarmed combat
geoffrey   $1.50 084 - Fair     *- Cover missing - Twofold talisman module
squidly    $1.75 085 - Good      - Twofold Talisman module - Clerics
squidly    $1.75 087 - Good      - Top secret module - Wildernes
geoffrey   $1.50 088 - Good     *- Elefant Hunt insert missing - Falling
damage - MARVEL-Phile
geoffrey   $1.50 089 - Good     *- Creature catalog missing - Shields - sci fi
TN.DE7     $1.5  094 - Good      - Ranger changes - Creature catalog II
(detached but included)
geoffrey   $1.50 095 - Fair     *- Cover missing - Into the Forgotten Realms
module, detached but included
ykcheu     $2.75 098 - Fair      - 9th anniversary - Dragons - mutant manual
UCCXKVB    $1.75 099 - Poor     *- Cover Missing - Treasure trove II, some
pictures cut out
thedm      $2.50 100 - Good     *- poster missing - city beyond the gate
module (detached but included) - "raised dragon" texture on cover
geoffrey   $1.50 101 - Fair     *- Cover missing - creature catalog III
(detached but included)
geoffrey   $1.50 102 - Fair     *- Cover missing - Valley of earth mother
middle level module (detached but included)
geoffrey   $1.50 103 - Fair     *- Cover loosly attached - Unearth arcana
update missing - Future of AD&D - Centaur papers
geoffrey   $1.50 103 - Fair     *- Unearth arcana update missing
geoffrey   $1.50 104 - Fair/VF   - Marvel module - thieves - cover detached
but included
geoffrey   $1.50 105 - Fair      - AD&D module - invisibility - cover & back
cover detached but included
UCCXKVB    $2.00 106 - Fair      - Cover 1/2 on - variations of paladins -
more skills 4 rangers
ykcheu     $2.75 106 - Good/VG   - Variations of paladins - more skills for
rangers
arrow      $2.50 107 - Fair     *- Cover missing - Dragons of glory
supplement/questionaire
geoffrey   $1.50 108 - Good      - Mutant manual II - environmental
effects - cover taped reinforced
thedm      $2.00 108 - Very Good - Mutant manual II - environmental effects
ykcheu     $2.25 109 - Good      - Customizing D&D classes - Agent 13 poster
geoffrey   $1.50 109 - Very Fair - Customizing D&D classes - Agent 13 poster
missing
geoffrey   $1.50 110 - Very Good - House on the frozen lands module -10th anniv
squidly    $1.75 110 - Very Good - House on the frozen lands module -10th anniv
geoffrey   $1.50 111 - Good      - Murder Mystery AD&D module
ykcheu     $2.50 112 - Very Good - Ultimate Article Index - Mesozoic monsters
mayla      $2.50 114 - Very Fair - Elven Cavalier - remorhaz - Witch NPC class
ykcheu     $1.75 115 - Good      - Theives - harpies & snakes
squidly    $1.75 116 - Good/VG   - 3-D ship cardboard insert - wild
animals - dr who
UCCXKVB    $2.50 117 - Good/VG   - Dice odds - creative campaigns - sage
advice - bazaar
geoffrey   $1.50 118 - Good      - Tournaments/Competitions - Nibar's keep game
UCCXKVB    $2.00 120 - VG/EX     - April fool's issue
UCCXKVB    $2.00 121 - Excellent - Oriental adventures - cardboard castle
insert
geoffrey   $1.50 122 - Excellent - 11th aniversary - African beasts - druids
UCCXKVB    $2.50 123 - Very Good - Magic and wizardry
thedm      $2.25 123 - Very Good - Magic and wizardry
arrow      $2.5  124 - Excellent - Aerial adventures - 2nd edition ?aire
UCCXKVB    $2.25 124 - Excellent - Aerial adventures - 2nd edition ?aire
geoffrey   $1.50 125 - Very Good - Clay-O-Rama! - Chivalry - quasi elementals
geoffrey   $1.50 125 - VG/EX     - Clay-O-Rama! - Chivalry - Quasi-elementals
UCCXKVB    $2.50 126 - VG/EX     - Undead
UCCXKVB    $2.00 127 - Very Good - Fighters
2FVPMANTEL $3.00 128 - Good      - King's Table insert game
2FVPMANTEL $3.00 129 - Excellent - Demi-humans
UCCXKVB    $2.50 130 - VG/EX     - The arcane arts
TFPAYN01   $2.50 131 - Excellent - Deepearth
arrow      $1.5  131 - VG/EX     - Deepearth
UCCXKVB    $2.0  132 - Very Good - ORCWARS! board game missing
arrow      $1.5  133 - Very Good - Berserkers & Spies-Roman gods -marvel index
geoffrey   $1.50 133 - Very Good - Berserkers & Spies-Roman gods -marvel index
2FVPMANTEL $3.00 134 - VG/EX     - 12 anniversary - Dragons
tbh1       $2    135 - Very Good - Archers - Space sage advice
UCCXKVB    $2.0  135 - Very Good - Archers - Space Sage advice
tbh1       $4.0  136 - Very Good - Cities & Urban adventures
tbh1       $3    137 - Excellent - Wilderness
arrow      $1.5  138 - Very Good - Horror (Haloween)
UCCXKVB    $3.25 139 - Very Good - Pages from the Mages
UCCXKVB    $3.5  140 - Excellent - Clerics & Healers
tbh1       $3    141 - Good      - Humanoids
tbh1       $2    142 - Very Good - AD&D 2nd edition preview
UCCXKVB    $3.25 143 - Very Good - DM's issue
UCCXKVB    $2.00 145 - Very Good*- Poster missing - castles
thedm      $2.5  146 - Very Good*- Poster missing - 13 anninversary - Dragons
tbh1       $3.00 147 - Excellent - MAGUS! board game - magic
tbh1       $3.5  148 - Excellent - Fighting - Deck of Many things insert
TN.DE7     $2.0  149 - Excellent - (No particular feature)
TN.DE7     $2.00 150 - Excellent - Horror (Halloween issue)
TN.DE7     $2.00 151 - Excellent - Oriental Adventures/Eastern
TN.DE7     $2.00 152 - Good     *- Underdark - Poster missing is inside-
slight crumple on cover, only noticable under inspection
TN.DE7     $2.0  153 - Very Good - Gods
TN.DE7     $1.75 154 - Good/VG   - Poster - Dragonlance story - War
TN.DE7     $2.00 155 - Excellent - Faeries - DUNGEON module
TN.DE7     $1.75 157 - Very Good - Buck Rogers
thedm      $2.00 158 - Very Good - 14th anniversary - Dragons
UCCXKVB    $2.00 159 - Excellent - Spelljammer - Poster missing
kohlmaas   $2.00 160 - Good/VG  *- Urban adventures - AD&D trading card
insert missing
UCCXKVB    $2.25 161 - Very Good - DM issue
TN.DE7     $1.75 162 - Good      - Haloween - Poster missing
thedm      $2.0  163 - Excellent - Monsterous compendum insert - Magic
TN.DE7     $2.0  164 - Very Good - Oriental Adventures
TN.DE7     $1.75 165 - VG/EX     - Sea/Undersea
TN.DE7     $1.75 166 - Excellent*- Sci Fi (other games) - Dino wars insert
missing
TN.DE7     $1.75 167 - Excellent - Nature/Wilderness
UCCXKVB    $2.5  169 - Very Good - Slight crease of back cover - Misc
items featured
thedm      $2.5  170 - Good      - Slight crease in cover - Dragon kings game
insert - Dragons - 15th anniversary issue
UCCXKVB    $2.00 171 - Excellent*- Missing poster & trading cards (ARGH!)
Cfrye      $2.75 172 - Excellent - Underdark
hachiman   $2    173 - Excellent - Dark Sun
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TN.DE7     $2.00 176 - Excellent - Elves - Giant poster inside
TN.DE7     $1.5  177 - Very Good - Calender poster - DM help (gunpowder too)
intravai   $3.0  178 - Excellent - Fighters & the Fighter class
TN.DE7     $2.50 179 - Excellent - GENCON form - Magic items featured
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TN.DE7     $2.50 182 - Excellent - 16 anniversary issue - Dragons
TN.DE7     $2.50 184 - Excellent - Non Player Character enhancement
TN.DE7     $1.75 185 - Excellent - Dark Sun Campaign Monsters - Dark Sun
geoffrey   $1.50 186 - Excellent - Haloween - Horror
TN.DE7     $1.75 187 - Excellent - Wilderness - Outdoors


Responding to the moderator:

Yes, I agree.  What I'm trying to point out is that, in matters of faith
(i.e. tenets which are not logically persuasive), one may be convinced
of the truth of certain things through, for instance, personal
revelation.  And its certainly fine to share that revelation or those
beliefs with others.  And I don't think that its arrogant, persay, to
accepts matters of pure faith as truth for oneself.  Where I think the
conflict arises is in assuming that, where disagreements on beliefs
arise, all others *must* have been given the same truth, and that God
must reveal His truth to everyone in such a way that all would
honestly agree.  I think this can lead to the conclusion that anyone
who disagrees with you are being sinful or dishonest; that they are
rejecting something they *know* to be truth because it is inconvenient
for them, or because they wish to spurn God.

I would say that this is equivalent to assuming that *all* truths one
holds are universal and absolute.  And the problem I see with this is
that it negates the individuality of humans and their relationships with
God.  This does not mean there is no absolute truth; just that some areas
of doctrinal disagreement may be areas where God has not established or
revealed that truth.

--
comments, criticism welcome...
-Ken
alvin@ucsu.colorado.edu


Science is the process of modeling the real world based on commonly agreed
interpretations of our observations (perceptions).

Values can also refer to meaning.  For example in computer science the
value of 1 is TRUE, and 0 is FALSE.  Science is based on commonly agreed
values (interpretation of observations), although science can result in a
reinterpretation of these values.

The values underlaying science are not objective since they have never been
fully agreed, and the change with time.  The values of Newtonian physic are
certainly different to those of Quantum Mechanics.


: I'm searching for a phonetic TrueType font for Windows 3.1. If
: anybody knows one, please mail me!
:
: Thanks.
:
: dw
:
:
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Yes, I'm looking for phonetic font(s) too! So if you know one,
please mail me too!


Yarn of Cargo of Human Bones [1]

		Copyright, 1924, by the New York Times Company
			Special Cable to The New York Times

   PARIS, Dec 22, -- Marseilles is excited by a weird story of the arrival in
that port of a ship flying the British flag and named Zan carrying a
mysterious cargo of 400 tons of human bones consigned to manufacturers there.
The bones are said to have been loaded at Mudania on the Sea of Marmora and
to be the remains of the victims of massacres in Asia Minor. In view of the
rumors circulating it is expected that an inquiry will be instigated.

			- - - Reference - - -

[1] _New York Times_, December 23, 1924, page 3, column 2 (bottom)

			- - - - - - - - - - - -

On the 78th Commemorative Anniversary of the Turkish genocide of the Armenians,
we remember those whose only crime was to be Armenian in the shadow of an
emerging Turkish proto-fascist state. In their names we demand justice.

In April 1915, the Turkish government began a systematically executed
de-population of the eastern Anatolian homeland of the Armenians through a
genocidal extermination. This genocide was to insure that Turks exclusively
ruled over the geographic area today called the Republic of Turkey. The
result: 1.5 million murdered, 30 billion dollars of Armenian property stolen
and plundered. This genocide ended nearly 3,000 years of Armenian civilization
on those lands. Today, the Turkish government continues to scrape clean any
vestige of a prior Armenian existence on those lands. Today's Turkish
governmental policy is to re-write the history of the era, to manufacture
distortion and generate excuses for their genocide of the Armenian people. In
the face of refutation ad nauseam, the Turkish Historical Society and cronies
shamelessly continue to deny that any such genocide occurred. This policy
merely demonstrates that in the modern era, genocide is an effective state
policy when it remains un-redressed and un-punished. A crime unpunished is a
crime encouraged. Adolf Hitler took this cue less than 25 years after the
successful genocide of the Armenians.

Turkey claims there was no systematic deportation of Armenians, yet...
Armenians were removed from every city, town, and village in the whole of
Turkey! Armenians who resisted deportation and massacre are referred to as
"rebels".

Turkey claims there was no genocide of the Armenians, yet...Turkish population
figures today show zero Armenians in eastern Turkey, the Armenian homeland.

Turkey claims Armenians were always a small minority, yet...Turkey claims
Armenians were a "threat".

In a final insult to the victims, the Republic of Turkey sold the bones of
approximately 100,000 murdered Armenians for profit to Europe.

Today, the Turkish government is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. The
success of this genocide is hangs over the heads of Turkey's Kurdish
population.

The Armenians demand recognition, reparation, return of Armenian land and
property lost as a result of this genocide.

ARMENIANS DEMAND JUSTICE                              ERMENILER ADALET ISTIYOR


Superficially a good answer, but it isn't that simple.  An awful lot of the
starvation and poverty in the world is directly caused by the economic
policies of the Western countries, as well as by the diet of the typical
Westerner.  For instance, some third-world countries with terrible
malnutrition problems export all the soya they can produce -- so that it can
be fed to cattle in the US, to make tender juicy steaks and burgers.  They
have to do this to get money to pay the interest on the crippling bank loans
we encouraged them to take out.  Fund-raising for Ethiopia is a truly bizarre
idea; instead, we ought to stop bleeding them for every penny they've got.

Perhaps it's more accurate to say that there's a Western ethic against
Western infanticide.  All the evidence suggests that so long as the children
are dying in the Third World, we couldn't give a shit.  And that goes for the
supposed "Pro-Life" movement, too.  They could save far more lives by
fighting against Third World debt than they will by fighting against
abortion.  Hell, if they're only interested in fetuses, they could save more
of those by fighting for human rights in China.

And besides, Suzanne's answer implies that non-Western countries lack this
ethic against infanticide.  Apart from China, with its policy of mandatory
forced abortion in Tibet, I don't believe this to be the case.


:
:> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day
:> in Texas.
:
:Do YOU eat all your food cold?

Thank you for pointing out the obvious to people who so clearly missed it.
I can't stand it when people's first reaction is to defend the aggressor.

Mr. Tavares, you have a unique and thoughtful way of getting to the heart
of the matter, and I thank you for putting it to good use.

Mike Ruff


	[a list of large-integer arithmetic packages elided]

I thought I would note that except Lenstra's packages, none of the
large-integer packages are in the public domain. As an alternative,
a straightforward *PD* implementation of Knuth's algorithms may be
found as a part of Uof Arizona's ICON distribution.

oz


[flame-bait, pure and simple]


The quotation marks should enclose "laws," not "must."

If there were no such rules, even instinctive ones or unwritten ones,
etc., then surely some sort of random chance would lead a chimp society
into chaos.


Yeah, Cancer is pretty cool, isn't it.


Hi...

I need information on scaring. Particularly as a result of grazing the skin
I really wanted to know of

	1. would a scar occur as a result of grazing
	2. if yes, then would it disappear?
	3. how long does a graze take to heal?
	4. will hair grow on it once it has healed?
	5. what is 'scar tissue'?
	6. should antiseptic cream be applied to it regularly?
	7. is it better to keep it exposed and let fresh air at it?

Please help - any info - no matter how small will be appreciated greatly.


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My T-Bird SC's manual says to replace the platinum plugs every 60,000mi.
Wal-Mart has Autolite platinum plugs for $2.00 each. Are these "real"
platinum plugs? (I had Bosch platinums in my '80 Fiesta and my dad
had 'em in his '84 Bronco--note the keyword "had." They didn't last
very long (much less than 50,000mi) before they had to be replaced.
I agree that they weren't the greatest.)

				James


Does anyone know if a Nanao 750i is compatible with any
popular Mac video cards? I have an oppurtunity to get a brand
new one, cheap, and I am very tempted, but it will be a waste
of time if I can't drive it using a standard video card.

While I'm on the subject, what's everybody's reccomendations for
a 21" color monitor. I've heard good things about the NEC 6FG, and
of course, there is always the reliable old Macintosh 21" display,
but what are YOUR experiences.

David J Harr
Cyberpunk Software.


I don't know about everybody else, but to me, they should have been
convicted BECAUSE of the evidence, which in my mind was quite
sufficient.


[...]

Note that I _never_ said that depression and the destruction of the
nuclear family is due _solely_ to extra-marital sex.  I specifically
said that it was "a prime cause" of this, not "the prime cause" or "the
only cause" of this -- I recognize that there are probably other factors
too, but I think that extra-marital sex and subsequent destabilization
of the family is probably a significant factor to the rise in
psychological problems, including depression, in the West in the 20th
century.


I don't care who told you this it is not generally true. I see EVERY single
line item on a contract and I have to sign it. There is no such thing as
wrap at this university. I also asked around here. Ther is no wrap at
Marquette, University of Wisconsin Madison, Utah State, Weber State or
Embry Riddle U. I am not saying that it doees not happen but in every instance
that I have been able to track down it does not. Also the president of our
University who was Provost at University of West Virgina said that it did
not happen there either and that this figure must be included in the overhead
to be a legitimate charge.

I did they never heard of it but suggest that, like our president did, that
any percentage number like this is included in the overhead.

No Allen you did not. You merely repeated allegations made by an Employee
of the Overhead capital of NASA. Nothing that Reston does could not be dont
better or cheaper at the Other NASA centers  where the work is going on.
Kinda funny isn't it that someone who talks about a problem like this is
at a place where everything is overhead.

Why did the Space News artice point out that it was the congressionally
demanded change that caused the problems? Methinks that you are being
selective with the facts again.

If it takes four flights a year to resupply the station and you have a cost
of 500 million a flight then you pay 2 billion a year. You stated that your
"friend" at Reston said that with the current station they could resupply it
for a billion a year "if the wrap were gone". This merely points out a
blatent contridiction in your numbers that understandably you fail to see.

Dennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville.


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Dear Will,

I've never replied on this thing before so I hope it gets thru ok.
I had a few thoughts!:

"Faith on its own, if not accompanied by action is dead" - James 2:17

Faith is both belief and action.
If I say that I am a great swimmer but I never go swimming, am I really a
swimmer? and will people believe that I am?
Likewise if I say I'm a Christian but I never talk to God, am I really a
Christian? My faith is demonstrated by my action. The fact that we talk to
God proves we have faith. Satan believes in God but does not follow Him!

In a similar vein, I have recently been challenged by 1John2:3-6
v3 says "We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His commands"
I find this verse quite encouraging as it could imply that 'if we have
come to know Him, then we'll obey His commands' cos He lives within us and
we cannot help but obey what He says.
I tend to feel that as we daily submit ourself to God He will keep changing
us into the likeness of Jesus and His fruit and works will be automatically
produced in our lives.

Hope this helps.


I don't find this a credible argument, for two reasons.  One you have
supplied below: unless I care about entering the USA at any time in the
future (eg. the Taiwanese backyard cloners - who BTW have been known to
decap custom silicon and reproduce it on daughterboards when pirating
high-profit arcade machines and the like - who wouldn't care less), I am not
going to care much about US confidentiality, am I?  Only people like the
real me, who does care about travelling to various countries for business
reasons, will sit up and follow laws like this, but I would contend that
we're not the main threat.

I also have grave doubts whether an algorythm widely distributed in silicon
could possibly be called "classified."  It's like handing out military
secrets to the whole world in envelopes marked "don't open me."  I can
imagine several credible defences which could be employed if it came to
a trial.  One would be the stupidity of the government's actions.

Amusing thought: could they have employed an algorythm which is infeasable
for a fast software implementation, but which is easy in custom hardware?
In DES, the extensive use of permutation tables (trivial in hardware: you
just swap bus lines), but relatively slow in software have had a big effect
on the speed difference between hardware and software implementations of
that cipher (indeed, I suspect that Lucifer's designers were well aware that
it would be, and approved.)  Certain algorythms (usually parallel search
algorythms) can be very slow in software, yet can fly in custom hardware.
I have no proof of their employment in Clipper -- it is pure conjecture.
However, as a software implementation of this cipher is something that its
designers would have been trying to avoid at all costs, then the inclusion
of such techniques seems credible.

Hmmm... I also wonder what Intergraph thinks about the use of the name
"Clipper" for this device. :)


It worked!!!
Thank you very much!


Anything that does not bring me closer to God is a sin.
(If you think this is too strict, just consider how ambiguous it is.)

This implies that staying the same is a sin. A Christian should
never be satisfied. It does not imply that
having fun is a sin. It does not imply that sleeping is a sin.
It does imply that I sin every day.

A perhaps simpler definition:
Anything that is counter to the two Great Commandments:
love God, love your neighbor, is a sin.
Anything I do that is not from love is a sin.

The same action can be a sin sometimes and not a sin sometimes.

I could yell at my kids as discipline, all the time loving them,
considering only to teach them proper behavior, or I could yell at my
kids out of anger or selfishness.

I could post an excellent article because I am interested in sharing
my opinions and getting feedback and learning, or I could post an
article because I want everyone to realize how wise I am.


     What  evidence  indicates that Gamma Ray bursters are very far away?

Their distribution is very isotropic and the intensity distribution,
crudely speaking, indicates we're seeing an edge to the distribution.

   Given the enormous  power,  i was just wondering,  what if they are
   quantum  black holes or something  like that  fairly close by?

   Why would they have to be at  galactic ranges?

Now, in the good old days before GRO data, it was thought the
gamma bursters were neutron stars in the galaxy, it was expected that
GRO would confirm this by either showing they were a local population
(within a few hundred light years) or that they were in the galactic
halo. (Mechanism was not known but several plausible ones existed)
(also to be fair it was noted that the _brightest_ burster was
probably in the LMC, suggesting theorists might be wrong back then...)
	As the Sun is not at the center of the galaxy a halo
population should show anisotropy (a local disk population is
ruled out completely at this stage) - to avoid the anisotropy you
have to push the halo out, the energy then gets large, the mechanism
of getting NS out that far becomes questionable, and we should start
to see for example the Andromeda's bursters.
	The data is consistent with either a Oort cloud distribution
(but only just) - but no one can think of a plausible source with
the right spectrum. Or, it can be a cosmological distances (hence
isotropy) and the edge is "the edge of the Universe" ;-)
If at cosmological distances you need very high energy (to detect)
and a very compact source (for spectrum), ergo a neutron star
colliding with another neutron star or black hole. Even then getting
the spectrum is very hard, but conceivable.

	If we know anything about physics at that level,
the bursters are not due to quantum black holes or cosmic
strings, wrong spectrum for one thing.

The situation is further complicated by recent claims that
there are two classes of sources ;-)  [in the colliding NS
they'd actually probably fit relatively easily into the
NS-NS and NS-BH collision scenarios respectively]

   my own pet theory is that it's  Flying saucers  entering
   hyperspace :-)

   but the reason i am asking is that most everyone assumes  that they
   are  colliding nuetron stars  or  spinning black holes,  i just wondered
   if any mechanism could exist  and place them  closer in.

If you can think of one, remember to invite me to Stockholm...


I can't imagine why someone would leave their computer on all of
the time to start with. Its like leaving your lights tv, radio
and everything in the house on all of the time to me.....Nuts


I have a basic Apple IIgs system that I need to sell.  Everything comes with
original boxes and documentation, and is in excellent condition.  Make an
offer; I'll consider anything:

Apple IIgs 1 meg
3.5" drive
13" AppleColor RGB monitor
keyboard/mouse/mousepad/dustcovers/1200 baud Applemodem/random other worthless
    stuff.

Here's a list of the games/apps:

   Games:				   Applications:

BattleChess				System Disk
Defender of the Crown			System Tools IIGS
Arkanoid II				WordPerfect
Bubble Ghost				Appleworks
Shadowgate				Writer's Choice elite
Balance of Power			Draw Plus
Marble Madness				Copy II Plus
Zany Golf				ProTERM communications software
Chessmaster 2100

If interested, contact:

sunshine@cco.caltech.edu


I totally agree with that sentiment.  But why do you have to go further
and advocate violating what God has set up?  That is the question which
you have not answered from Scripture.  You can worship on every day, as
long as you work.  But God says the Sabbath is all mine.


Frank, I tried to mail this but it bounced.  It is fast moving out
of t.a scope, but I didn't know if t.a was the only group of the three
that you subscribed to.
Apologies to regular t.a folks.

You must be using 'values' to mean something different from the way I
see it used normally.

And you are certainly using 'Science' like that if you equate it to
"the real world".

Science is the recognition of patterns in our perceptions of the Universe
and the making of qualitative and quantitative predictions concerning
those perceptions.

It has nothing to do with values as far as I can see.
Values are ... well they are what I value.
They are what I would have rather than not have - what I would experience
rather than not, and so on.

Objective values are a set of values which the proposer believes are
applicable to everyone.

I don't agree.
Science is useful insofar as it the predictions mentioned above are
accurate.  That is insofar as what I think *will be* the effect on
my perceptions of a time lapse (with or without my input to the Universe)
versus what my perceptions actually turn out to be.

But values are about whether I like (in the loosest sense of the word) the
perceptions :-)

I don't see why.
'Usefulness' in science is synonomous with 'accuracy' - period.
Tarot predictions are not useful because they are not accurate - or
can't be shown to be accurate.
Science is useful because it is apparently accurate.

Values - objective or otherwise - are beside the point.

No?


The following press release was distributed April 1 by
NASA Headquarters.

Space Station Redesign Advisory Members Named

Along with Dr. Charles M. Vest, recently named by Vice President
Albert Gore to head the advisory committee on the redesign of the
Space Station, NASA has announced the names of representatives
from government and industry and academic experts from across the
country to participate in an independent review of the redesign
options being developed by NASA.

"I am extremely honored to have been selected to lead this
important review panel. America's future in science and
technology and as a world leader in space demands our utmost
attention and care," said Vest. "We have assembled a diverse
panel of experts that, I believe, will bring the appropriate
measures of insight, integrity and objectivity to this critical
task."

The advisory committee is charged with independently assessing
various redesign options of the space station presented by NASA's
redesign team, and proposing recommendations to improve
efficiency and effectiveness of the space station program. Space
station international partners also are being asked to
participate and will be named at a later date. The advisory
committee will submit its recommendations in June.

Advisory committee members named today include:

Dr. Charles Vest              Dr. Bobby Alford
President, MIT                Executive VP & Dean of Medicine
                              Baylor College of Medicine

Mr. Jay Chabrow               Dr. Paul Chu
President, JMR Associates     Director, Texas Center for
                              Superconductivity
                              University of Houston

Dr. Ed Crawley                Dr. John Fabian
Prof of Aero & Astro          President & CEO
MIT                           ANSER

Maj. Gen. James Fain          Dr. Edward Fort
Deputy Chief of Staff for     Chancellor
Requirements; Headquarters    North Carolina AT&T
USAF Materials Command        State University

Dr. Mary Good                 Mr. Frederick Hauck
Senior VP of Technology       President, International Technical
Allied Signal, Inc.           Underwriters

Dr. Lou Lanzerotti            Mr. William Lilly
Chair, Space Sciences         National Academy of Public
Board, National Research      Administration
Council

Mr. Duane McRuer              Dr. Brad Parkinson
President Systems Technology  Prof of Astro & Aero
                              Stanford University

Dr. Robert Seamans            Dr. Lee Silver
Former NASA Deputy Admin.     W.M. Keck Foundation Professor
                              for Resource Geology
                              California Institute of
                              Technology


A week or so ago, I posted about a problem with my SE/30:  I have 20 megs
or true RAM, yet if I set my extensions to use a large amount of memory
(total of all extensions) then my system will crash before the finder
comes up.  What I meant was having a large amount of fonts load, or
sounds, or huge disk caches with a control panel other than Apple's
memory control panel.  Apple's cache is at 64K, mode 32 is on, and
so is 32 bit addressing.  All extensions work by themselves or with the
others until I increase the memory used by some of them (with methods
mentioned above).

Well, here's my latest followup...  I ran NOWs System Profile and got
this information:

%%% Memory info %%%

Physical RAM size: 20480K.
Logical RAM size: 20480K.
Size of Low Memory Area: 8K.
Virtual Memory: Inactive.
Addressing mode: 32bit mode in use.
32 bit System zone: Absent.
Parity RAM: Not capable.
Growable System Heap: True.
Temporary memory support: Present.
Tempory Memory Support: Real and tracked.

Note that 32 bit System zone is absent.  Could this be the problem?
How can I turn this on?  Any ideas?

Can anyone help?


: ... I think they should rename Waco TX to Wacko TX!


Could someone post the Flyers record with and without Eric Lindros in
the lineup

I have a guy that is trying to compare the Quebec/Flyers trade to the

Dallas/Minnesota trade in the NFL(Hershel Walker)

I just need the stat to back up my point that Eric will be one of the next

great players

thanks


Hm, I've got my CD drive since 921230.

Indeed, CDs are bundled with it.
You usually get nine CDs with demos of applications, games, photos, etc.

I have compiled a list of these and posted it to alt.cdrom.
I will post an updated version of this list RSN.


Well put, Jim.  I am as concerned about the media's complicity in this
growing coverup.  Can you imagine the media outrage, the lawsuits, the
investigations that would emit if the government kept the media away from
any other story?  Particularly if a Republican administration had been
behind it.  What's going on here?

Let's look beyond the initial blunder and examine what happened next.
I'm a student of human phychology, particularly in the area of psy-ops
because I've found some of the techniques to be useful in business
negotiations.  That puts me firmly in the amateur ranks.  This AMATEUR
knows that the first thing to do when sizing up the opponent is to do a
psychological profile on him.  You can bet your ass the FBI had
professionally done profiles on Koresh.  Koresh's behavior was
emminently predictable.  It is typical of people who move away from
civilization to be willing to fight to the death to preserve their
isolation.  It would also be typical, given Koresh's religious
orientation, for such an individual to interpret a government assault as
the apocalypse.  Suicide is as an acceptable alternative to being
consumed in the apocalypse.

IMHO, the FBI knew all this and decided after 50 days of concentrated
psy-ops to initiate that apocalypse.  I believe they chose a course of
action designed specifically to push Koresh over the edge while publicly
appearing to be acting reasonably.  They KNEW that Koresh considered the
tanks to be the Chariots of Fire mentioned in the Book of Revelations.
They KNEW that sending tanks, oops, combat engineering vehicles,
obstensibly to perform "gas insertions" (love that NewSpeak) WOULD push
him over the edge.

Look at some supporting evidence.  Koresh's attorney mentioned on TV
earlier today (4/20) that one of Koresh's major concern was the biblical
role of the tanks stationed around the compound.  The FBI (through Reno
on Larry King last night and at the news conference this morning)
claimed to have listening devices in the compound.  If that was true
they KNEW their actions were driving him to the brink.  They KNEW they
were pushing the Davidians toward mass suicide.  Any rational and
reasonable agency NOT interested in killing those people would, at
the first sign of preparations for suicide, have pulled completely back and
would have gotten rid of all the armor.  Instead they continued with the
"gas insertion" right up to the point where flames appeared.  The image
that will remain etched in my mind is that of the tank strutting back
and forth in front of the burning compound, gloating over the kill.

Let's step back and assess how this thing could have been ended without
bloodshed.  This technique would have required a law enforcement agency
interested in constitutionally enforcing the law and in the preservation
of life instead of achieving a military victory and of vengence.

The way to have nabbed Koresh was simply to have announced a pull back,
abandoned the assault, torn down the concertina wire and removed the
armor, maintained covert surveillance of the compound and then exploited
his ego to flush him out.  Exploiting his ego would have been simple.  A
simple invite or two from the tabloid talk shows to come on TV and tell
how he whipped the US government would have been something he could not
have resisted.  He could have then been nabbed when he left the
compound.  Simple, clean and safe but because it would have required the
FBI to execute a tactical retreat and would have deprived them of the
revenge they sought, it was totally out of the question.  Not without
all that testesterone floating around.  After all Jannet Reno had to
show the world how big her balls are.

Yesterday was a sad, sad day for the American system.  I am sick to my
very soul.

John


Snort.  Ah, there go my sinuses again.

Oh, wow.  A classic textbook.  Hey, they laughed at Einstein, too!

Yeah, I'll bet.  Tomorrow, the world.

Listen, uncontrolled studies like this are worthless.

I'm sure you are.  You sound like the typical hysteric/hypochondriac who
responds to "miracle cures."

Yeah, "it makes sense to me", so of course it should be taken seriously.
Snort.

Yeah, "it sounds reasonable to me".

Oh, really?  _What_ tests?  Immune-compromised, my ass.
More like credulous malingerer.  This is a psychiatric syndrome.

You know, it's a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused
in this way.  It's ridiculously expensive, and potentially toxic.
The trouble is that it isn't toxic enough, so it gets abused by quacks.

The only good thing about nystatin is that it's (relatively) cheap
and when taken orally, non-toxic.  But oral nystatin is without any
systemic effect, so unless it were given IV, it would be without
any effect on your sinuses.  I wish these quacks would first use
IV nystatin or amphotericin B on people like you.  That would solve
the "yeast" problem once and for all.

Perhaps a little Haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating
your symptoms.

Are you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket?  I'd hate
to think my insurance premiums are going towards this.


:
:
:	1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or
:	talk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY
:
:	2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where)..
:
:	3. Stop posting #### on this newsgroup
;
:	We are all SO glad you're trying to save us from the evil
:	goverment, but would you mail this #### in regular mail to
:	let's say 1000 people ????
:
:
:                        Thomas Parsli
And everybody who talked about the evil arising in Europe was labeled
reactionary in the late 1930's... after all, we could negotiate with Hitler and
trust him to keep his end of the bargain... at least that's what Stalin and
Chamberlin thought... I guess they forgot to teach you about your country being
overrun by the Germans in WWII, 'eh Thomas?  And I'm sorry you consider outrage
at government excesses to be ####... Everytime the Israelis conduct a mass
operation against a terrorist group that is actively killing their citizens and
soldiers, the world gets indignant, but it's ok for the US to assault it's own
citizens who were a religous minority and accused of sexual deviation and
hoarding weapons... I find it real ironic this happened the same day Al Gore
arrived in Poland to recognize the sacrifices made in the Warsaw Ghetto where
the same 'justifications' were raised for an armed assault by black-clad troops
with armor support...


This is the official Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of two
new newsgroups for Microsoft Windows NT.  This is a second RFD, replacing
the one originally posted in January '93 (and never taken to a vote).  The
proposed groups are described below:

NAME: 	 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup
STATUS:  Unmoderated.
PURPOSE: Discussions about setting up and installing Windows NT, and about
	 system and peripheral compatability issues for Windows NT.

NAME:	 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc
STATUS:	 Unmoderated.
PURPOSE: Miscellaneous non-programming discussions about using Windows NT,
	 including issues such as security, networking features, console
	 mode and Windows 3.1 (Win16) compatability.

RATIONALE:
	Microsoft NT is the newest member of the Microsoft Windows family
	of operating systems (or operating environments for those who wish
	to argue about the meaning of an "OS").  The family ranges from
	Modular Windows through Windows 3.1 and Windows for Workgroups to
	Windows NT at the high end.  To date, Microsoft has shipped over
	50,000 beta copies and pre-release SDKs of Windows NT -- the
	actual release is slated for May/June '93.

	While Windows NT has an entirely new design internally, it shares
	an application programming interface with the other members of the
	Windows family; its Win32 API includes the Win16 API used in Win-
	dows 3.1, and the Win32s API subset (Win32 less threads, networking
	and security) can be used to create 32-bit applications for
	Windows 3.1.

	The user interface is also practically identical to that of Windows
	3.1, with the addition of logins and a few other features.  It uses
	Program Manager, File Manager and other applets, and generally pre-
	sents an identical appearance to the user.  Many of the announced
	Windows NT applications are ports of existing Windows 3.1 apps, and
	NT also runs existing 3.1 applications.

	Thus, it appears logical that Windows NT should share the following
	groups with the other members of the Windows family:
		comp.os.ms-windows.apps
		comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
		comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
		comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32

	The following groups are also clearly applicable to Windows NT as
	well as Windows 3.1:
		comp.os.ms-windows.announce
		comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy

	In conclusion, the only clear argument for the separation of the
	Windows 3.1 and Windows NT hierarchies is different internal
	structures of Windows 3.1 and Windows NT.  And yet operating
	systems such as OS/2, Macintosh OS, Xenix and Coherent all have
	undergone major rewrites without having been split into separate
	newsgroup hierarchies.

	Further, Windows 3.1 is due for a major rewrite itself in 1994 --
	when the fully 32-bit, protected-mode and with-DOS-built-in next-
	generation Windows, "Chicago", debuts next year, surely it should
	remain in the same hierarchy.  And what, then, would be the jus-
	tification for separating Windows NT from other Windows versions?

DISCUSSION PERIOD:
	The discussion period will run from 27 April, 1992 to 18 May, 1993.

VOTING:
	The CFV (Call for Votes) will be issued around 19 May, 1993, based on
	the feedback received during the discussion period.  No votes will
	be accepted prior to the CFV.


Keith Hanlan, on the Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:20:14 GMT wibbled:
: >If I remember correctly, the reason that BMW's come with those expensive,
: >and relatively worthless, short lived Varda batteries, is 'cause BMW owns
: >a controling interest in that battery Manufacturer.

: What's wrong with the BMW battery? I've never had problems and I know
: numerous people that are still using the original battery in there
: 8-10 year old beemers.

Kay, my '86 K100RS still has her original battery in.  She's OK
--

Nick (the Sufficiently Well Charged Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford

M'Lud.


--
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If anyone has any information about the upcoming new computers
(Cyclone and Tempest), I am in need of some info. Anything would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,


:
: Just taken delivery of a 66MHz 486 DX2 machine, and very nice it is too.
: One query - the landmark speed when turbo is on is 230 or something MHz
: - thats not the problem. The problem is the speed when turbo is off. Its
: 7 MHz. The equivalent in car terms is having a nice Porsche with a button
: that turns it into a skateboard.
:
: Does anyone have a clue as to what determines the relative performance of
: turbo vs non-turbo?? I would like to set it to give a landmark speed of
: about 30 or 40 MHz with turbo off.
:
: Cheers,
:


	||  edited and forwarded by the csm.announce moderator;
	||  please respond to the originator by email ALSO; what he
	||  needs, besides a cable that works, is a phone-number and
	||  AppleLink address for Caere - and a smile and a pat on the
	||  back... :-)
	|

Please, I beg you. If you know anything about the Caere Typist Plus
Graphics Hand Scanner, Please read and solve my problem. I will be
truely grateful for the rest of my life!

The problem is that My Caere Typist Plus Graphics Hand Scanner will not
connect to my PowerBook 160. The Cable on the Scanner will not fit into
the SCSI port on the PowerBook.

I then got a cable assembled to adapt the original cable to fit the SCSI
port. This, however, turned the computer into SCSI mode and treated it
as a hard disk.

I have asked an engineer in London to assembled a new cable. The idiot,
out of sheer laziness has taken 14 weeks and has yet to solve the
problem.

I am aware that Caere Co. in the US have a solution.

Do you know of a cable that will solve this problem. Please help me if
you know the solution. I will be forever grateful to you.

My e-mail address is:

			zia@uk.ac.ed.castle

	|
	||  "wrong side of the road" syndrom;		:-))
	||
	||  for us, that's  zia@castle.ed.ac.uk
	|

Thanking you in advance,


Hey! I LIKE quiche, even if I did have to look
at your note to spell it (assumed) correctly.

Really, you <*sniff*> tough guys are all the same...


:
: nobody seems to have noticed that the clipper chip *must* have been
: under development for considerably longer than the 3 months that
: clinton has been president.  this is not something that choosing
: choosing bush over clinton would have changed in the slightest; it has
: been in the works for some time.

Actually, many of us have noted this. We have noted that the program
started at least 4 years ago, that the contracts with VLSI Technology
and Microtoxin were let at least 14 months ago, that production of the
chips is well underway, and so forth.

Nobody I know has claimed Clinton intitiated the program. But he chose
to go ahead with it.

-Tim May


	The American press routinely uses the word fundamentalist to
refer to both Christians and Jews.  Christian fundementalists are
often refered to in the context of anti-abortion protests.  The
American media also uses fundamentalist to refer to Jews who live in
Judea, Samaria or Gaza, and to any Jew who follows the torah.

Adam
Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu


Misc. Items for sale:

Mount Plate:  Sony Model CPM-203P, mounting plate for Sony portable CD players
for Portable: plugs into car lighter, snaps onto the bottom of any Sony
CD Player:    Portable CD player, perfect condition. Will also throw in a
	      cassette adapter in SO SO condition.
	      Paid $45...............Asking $30.

Car Speakers:	Sherwood 5 1/4" two way car speakers, in car for 7 months,
5 1/4 inch:	excellent condition, Paid $65............Asking $40.

4 inch:	    Factory Speakers from Toyota excellent condition Asking $20.

Nintendo:   Nintendo Game Boy, Light Boy, Tetris, Super Mario Land,
Gameboy:    NFL Football, Castlevania Adventure, Hyper Lode Runner, 4 years
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Accessories:

Whole Internet:	The Whole Internet: User's Guide and Catalog by ED Krol,
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MicroSoft:    Never Used, came with my computer, Asking $30.
Visual Basic:

MicroSoft: 	   Came with my computer, never used, Asking $100.
Word for Windows:

					Thanks,


I've seen a listing of a Seagate 1G IDE hard drive.

Windows NT already supports SCSI, a variety of adapters, for disk,
tape, and CD-ROM.  So does OS/2 2.0.


Anyone care to speculate on this? I'll let the rest of the net judge
this on its own merits. Between 1914 and 1920, 2.5 million Turks perished
of butchery at the hands of Armenians. The genocide involved not only
the killing of innocents but their forcible deportation from the Russian
Armenia. They were persecuted, banished, and slaughtered while much of
Ottoman Army was engaged in World War I. The Genocide Treaty defines
genocide as acting with a

  'specific intent to destroy, in whole or in substantial part, a
   national, ethnic, racial or religious group.'

History shows that the x-Soviet Armenian Government intended to eradicate
the Muslim population. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were exterminated by the
Armenians. International diplomats in Ottoman Empire at the time - including
U.S. Ambassador Bristol - denounced the x-Soviet Armenian Government's policy
as a massacre of the Kurds, Turks, and Tartars. The blood-thirsty leaders of
the x-Soviet Armenian Government at the time personally involved in the
extermination of the Muslims. The Turkish genocide museums in Turkiye honor
those who died during the Turkish massacres perpetrated by the Armenians.

The eyewitness accounts and the historical documents established,
beyond any doubt, that the massacres against the Muslim people
during the war were planned and premeditated. The aim of the policy
was clearly the extermination of all Turks in x-Soviet Armenian
territories.

The Muslims of Van, Bitlis, Mus, Erzurum and Erzincan districts and
their wives and children have been taken to the mountains and killed.
The massacres in Trabzon, Tercan, Yozgat and Adana were organized and
perpetrated by the blood-thirsty leaders of the x-Soviet Armenian
Government.

The principal organizers of the slaughter of innocent Muslims were
Dro, Antranik, Armen Garo, Hamarosp, Daro Pastirmadjian, Keri,
Karakin, Haig Pajise-liantz and Silikian.

Source: "Bristol Papers", General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol
         to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.

"I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in
 the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly
 defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder
 the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village."

Sources: (The Ottoman State, the Ministry of War), "Islam Ahalinin
Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat," (Istanbul, 1918).
The French version: "Documents Relatifs aux Atrocites Commises par les Armeniens
sur la Population Musulmane," (Istanbul, 1919). In the Latin script: H. K.
Turkozu, ed., "Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi," (Ankara,
1982). In addition: Z. Basar, ed., "Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz," (Ankara,
1974) and, edited by the same author, "Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler -
Derlemeler," (Ankara, 1978). "Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ...," Vol. 32, 83
(December 1983), document numbered 1881.
"Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ....," Vol. 31, 81 (December 1982), document
 numbered 1869.

"Those who were capable of fighting were taken away at the very beginning
 with the excuse of forced labor in road construction, they were taken
 in the direction of Sarikamis and annihilated. When the Russian army
 withdrew, a part of the remaining people was destroyed in Armenian
 massacres and cruelties: they were thrown into wells, they were locked
 in houses and burned down, they were killed with bayonets and swords, in places
 selected as butchering spots, their bellies were torn open, their lungs
 were pulled out, and girls and women were hanged by their hair after
 being subjected to every conceivable abominable act. A very small part
 of the people who were spared these abominations far worse than the
 cruelty of the inquisition resembled living dead and were suffering
 from temporary insanity because of the dire poverty they had lived
 in and because of the frightful experiences they had been subjected to.
 Including women and children, such persons discovered so far do not
 exceed one thousand five hundred in Erzincan and thirty thousand in
 Erzurum. All the fields in Erzincan and Erzurum are untilled, everything
 that the people had has been taken away from them, and we found them
 in a destitute situation. At the present time, the people are subsisting
 on some food they obtained, impelled by starvation, from Russian storages
 left behind after their occupation of this area."

Serdar Argic


1.  Did you read the FAQs?

2.  If NO, Read the FAQs.

3.  IF YES, you wouldn't have posted such drivel.  The "Lord, Liar
    or Lunatic" argument is a false trilemma.  Even if you disprove
    Liar and Lunatic (which you haven't), you have not eliminated
    the other possibilities, such as Mistaken, Misdirected, or
    Misunderstood.  You have arbitrarily set up three and only
    three possibilities without considering others.

4.  Read a good book on rhetoric and critical thinking.  If
    you think the "Lord, Liar, or Lunatic" discussion is an
    example of a good argument, you are in need of learning.

5.  Read the FAQs again, especially "Constructing a Logical
    Argument."

Ignore these instructions at your peril.  Disobeying them
leaves you open for righteous flaming.

--
Maddi Hausmann                       madhaus@netcom.com
Centigram Communications Corp        San Jose California  408/428-3553


xdtm is working looking at, as is ftptool.  There really isn't anything of
any quality that I've seen though, and I'm seriously considering writing one
on my own.

--
mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu


Yes, you increase the RPM slip of a "boxer" type fan by installing
a capacitor in series with the fan's power supply.  The air flow of
small 3.5 inch fans can be reduced by about 50% by using a 1 to 4
uF capacitor.  Use a good grade nonpolarized unit with working
voltage rating around 250 volts.  Note that some impriical study is
usually required to experimentally determine the best size
capacitor for a given application.

For DC powered applications, try the Radio Shack 12 volt box fan.
It can run and start reliably from as low as about 4.5 VDC.  It is
exceptionally quiet, but at admittedly low flow.  I wish I knew who
made the fans for Radio Shack.


:tarnold@vnet.IBM.COM (Todd W. Arnold) said in article <19930322.101356.617@almaden.ibm.com>:
:>It's OK as long as you trust the end-user to stay out of your application
:>program - or as long as it runs in a system where the user can't get to it.
:>Otherwise, you can't stop him from finding the "load a module" code in your
:>program, and simply bypassing the check for a valid module.  The devious user
:>can either modify the object code before running the program, or he can run
:>the program under a debugger and change the instructions in memory.
:There is a way to foil debuggers, by clearing the single step
:interrupt, on which a debugger depends, every few instructions in
:the sensitive areas of the code.

This assumes the person is using the hardware debug instruction of an X86
type processor.  It can be negated by NOP'ing the clear debug instruction,
or by running the code on a machine simulator, like one I wrote as a senior
project in college.  It can bypass and trace practically anything one could
write in software.  Kind of like being on a Star Trek Holideck :-).


I am trying to configure Zsoft's PC Paintbrush IV+ for use with my
Logitech Scanman 32 (hand scanner), but I can't get Paintbrush to
acknowledge the scanner. Is there anybody out there using Paintbrush
with a scanner, if so, can you help me out?
                                Thanks Luis Nobrega


FOR SALE:

IBM-compatible XT personal computer (DOS)
Brand:  Acer
Age:    4.5 years
Specs:  640K RAM
        20 meg hard drive
        5 -1/4 floppy drive
        Color monitor
        2400 baud USRobotics internal modem

Bundled with loads of software: word processing,
communications, spreadsheet, games.

A good computer that successfully got me through
all of my BA, MS, and half of my PhD (I decided to
switch to a Mac for my dissertation). Perfect for
high school student, college student, or person who
needs basic word processing, spreadsheet, and/or
database capabilities.

Best offer.

Reply to
Laura Gurak
userglub@mts.rpi.edu


You said it worked so well with tobacco.  I was being fascisious(I can't spell
worth a damn)

Look, this is getting ridiculous, first, I think tobacco should be legal.
Anybody who can't see the difference between tobacco and marijuana has got to
be high.


CDs ($9 ea inc shipping)
---
Jesus Jones, DOUBT
Residents, HEAVEN?
REM, DOCUMENT
Nymphs, SAD AND DAMNED single

Tapes
-----
Robert Plant, all solo stuff
Led Zeppelin IV

Tshirts
-------
Robert Plant, Manic Nirvana tour
Led Zeppelin, Symbols/Swansong black
Bob Dylan, 1990 tour tie-dye


Has anyone use Snooper or MacEKG or any other similar diagnostic
software.Any comparisons/reviews on these products would be very much
appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your help

Cheers
--


In PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 "Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI,
20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has
long been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches."
note what it does NOT site as a factor: PRICE.
int eh same article the PC would will get plug and play SCSI {from the
article it seems you get plug and play SCSI-1 only since SCSI-2 in FULL
implimentation has TEN NOT 7 devices.}
SCSI-1 intergration is sited as another part of the MicroSoft Plug and play
program.


Since I'm not all too keen on this area of hooking them up, I'm
asking for help.  I know better than to hook a 12v, 1a stepper line to
one, unless it can take it; however what about if I've got a 24-60v
stepper.  What sort of curent limmiting circuitry would be involved (a
small schematic would probably be helpfull).
        Also, I've looked into the TIPC2701N by TI, and I was wondering
if I should use the same suggested (by you replying to this message)
current limiting circuitry on each of the 7 mosfets in the package as
that illustrated in the schematic (which you the replyer would hopefully
help me with).

                                ... hmm... different request...

                Thanks.

  _________________________________________________
  Inspiration  |   ___                             |
  comes to     |  \   o  baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca |
  those who    | (  ^  ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca |
  seek the     |   /-\      =] Baden de Bari [=    |
  unknown.     |                                   |
  -------------------------------------------------


Well, certainly in Archimedes case the description "while observing the
phenomena in his bath" seems more accurate than "while meditating in
his bath" -- it was, after all, a rather buoyancy intense environment.


Who says there is no mineral rights to be given? Who says? The UN or the US
Government?
Major question is if you decide to mine the moon or Mars, who will stop you?
The UN can't other than legal tom foolerie.. Can the truly inforce it?

If you go to the moon as declare that you are now a soverign nation, who will
stop you from doing it. Maybe not acknowledge you?

Why can't a small company or corp or organization go an explore the great
beyond of space? what right does earth have to say what is legal and what is
not.. Maybe I am a few years ahead on this.. It is liek the old Catholic Church
stating which was Portugals and what was Spains, and along came the Reformation
and made it all null and void..

What can happen is to find a nation which is acknowledged, and offer your
services as a space miner and then go mine the asteroids/mars/moon or what
ever.. As long as yur sponsor does not get in trouble..
Basically find a country who wants to go into space, but can't for soem reason
or another, but who will give you a "home".. Such as Saudia Arabia or
whatever..
There are nations in the World who are not part of the UN, got to them and
offer your services and such.. I know that sound crazy, but. is it..
Also once you have the means to mine the moon (or whatever) then just do it.
The UN if done right can be made to be so busy with something else, they will
not care..
If your worried about the US, do the same thing..

Why be limited by the short sighted people of earth.. After all they have many
other things to worry about that if someone is mining the Moon or MArs or what
ever..
Basically what I am saying is where is that drive of yeasteryears to go a
little bit farther out, to do jus ta  little bit more, and to tell the crown to
piss off.. If my ancestors thought the way many today think, Id have been born
in Central Europe just north of the Black Sea..

I just read a good book, "Tower of the Gods" Interesting..


To: Dodge Dart collectors

I have a 1964 Dodge (25th anniversary) Dart 273ci V8 wagon to turn into cash.
My asking price is $300.00 although we can negotiate.  The car currently
resides in Union City, California.  Thats on the east side of the San Francisco
Bay Area in the state of California of the United states of America on the
continent of North America of the planet Earth, third planetary body out from
Sol, a mid range yellowish star in the Western Spiral Arm of the Milkyway
Galaxy.

toowhit: north of Silicon Valley

if interested pleas contact Scott by the following means:
        internet                sbrogii@tymnet.com
        home answering machine  510.489.6165
        business voice mail     408.922.6547
        loud yell & wave money out the window
                        ^(not recommended in downtown urban environment)


What in blazes is going on with Wayne Matson and gang
down in Alabama?  I also heard an unconfirmed rumor that
Aerospace Ambassadors have disappeared.  Can anyone else
confirm??


I have a request for those who would like to see Charley Wingate
respond to the "Charley Challenges" (and judging from my e-mail, there
appear to be quite a few of you.)

It is clear that Mr. Wingate intends to continue to post tangential or
unrelated articles while ingoring the Challenges themselves.  Between
the last two re-postings of the Challenges, I noted perhaps a dozen or
more posts by Mr. Wingate, none of which answered a single Challenge.

It seems unmistakable to me that Mr. Wingate hopes that the questions
will just go away, and he is doing his level best to change the
subject.  Given that this seems a rather common net.theist tactic, I
would like to suggest that we impress upon him our desire for answers,
in the following manner:

1. Ignore any future articles by Mr. Wingate that do not address the
Challenges, until he answers them or explictly announces that he
refuses to do so.

--or--

2. If you must respond to one of his articles, include within it
something similar to the following:

    "Please answer the questions posed to you in the Charley Challenges."

Really, I'm not looking to humiliate anyone here, I just want some
honest answers.  You wouldn't think that honesty would be too much to
ask from a devout Christian, would you?

Nevermind, that was a rhetorical question.


My insurance company encourages annual physicals, and at my age [42] i'm
thinking that BIannual physicals, at least, might be a good idea.  Therefore,
i'm shopping for a GP.  Might as well get a good one.

Could the Assembled Net Wisdom suggest things i should look for, or point me to
the FAQ archive if on this topic if there is one?

Please EMail; i suspect that this topic is real Net Clutter bait.


Also in pure speculation:

Parity errors in memory or previously known conditions that were waivered.
   "Yes that is an error, but we already knew about it"

Any problem where they decided a backup would handle it.

Any problem in an area that was not criticality 1,2,3..., that is, any
   problem in a system they decided they could do without.

I'd be curious as to what the real meaning of the quote is.


:P
:P>My favorite reply to the "you are being too literal-minded" complaint is
:P>that if the bible is really inspired by God and if it is really THAT
:P>important to him, then he would make damn certain all the translators and
:P>scribes and people interpreting and copying it were getting it right,
:P>literally.  If not, then why should I put ANY merit at all in something
:P>that has been corrupted over and over and over by man even if it was
:P>originally inspired by God?
:P
:PThe "corrupted over and over" theory is pretty weak.  Comparison of the
:Pcurrent hebrew text with old versions and translations shows that the text
:Phas in fact changed very little over a space of some two millennia.  This
:Pshouldn't be all that suprising; people who believe in a text in this manner
:Pare likely to makes some pains to make good copies.


Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part09
Last-modified: 1993/4/15

FAQ for sci.crypt, part 9: Other Miscellany

This is the ninth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are
mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest.
We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask.
Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part.

The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu
as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx].  The Cryptography
FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers
every 21 days.

Contents:

* What is the National Security Agency (NSA)?
* What are the US export regulations?
* What is TEMPEST?
* What are the Beale Ciphers, and are they a hoax?
* What is the American Cryptogram Association, and how do I get in touch?
* Is RSA patented?
* What about the Voynich manuscript?

* What is the National Security Agency (NSA)?

  The NSA is the official security body of the U.S. government. It
  was given its charter by President Truman in the late 40's, and
  has continued research in cryptology till the present. The NSA is
  known to be the largest employer of mathematicians in the world,
  and is also the largest purchaser of computer hardware in the
  world. Governments in general have always been prime employers of
  cryptologists. The NSA probably possesses cryptographic expertise many
  years ahead of the public state of the art, and can undoubtedly break
  many of the systems used in practice; but for reasons of national
  security almost all information about the NSA is classified.

  Bamford's book [BAMFD] gives a history of the people and operations of
  the NSA. The following quote from Massey [MAS88] highlights the
  difference between public and private research in cryptography:

  ``... if one regards cryptology as the prerogative of government,
  one accepts that most cryptologic research will be conducted
  behind closed doors. Without doubt, the number of workers engaged
  today in such secret research in cryptology far exceeds that of
  those engaged in open research in cryptology. For only about 10
  years has there in fact been widespread open research in
  cryptology. There have been, and will continue to be, conflicts
  between these two research communities. Open research is common
  quest for knowledge that depends for its vitality on the open
  exchange of ideas via conference presentations and publications in
  scholarly journals. But can a government agency, charged with
  responsibilities of breaking the ciphers of other nations,
  countenance the publication of a cipher that it cannot break? Can
  a researcher in good conscience publish such a cipher that might
  undermine the effectiveness of his own government's code-breakers?
  One might argue that publication of a provably-secure cipher would
  force all governments to behave like Stimson's `gentlemen', but one
  must be aware that open research in cryptography is fraught with
  political and ethical considerations of a severity than in most
  scientific fields. The wonder is not that some conflicts have
  occurred between government agencies and open researchers in
  cryptology, but rather that these conflicts (at least those of which
  we are aware) have been so few and so mild.''

* What are the US export regulations?

  In a nutshell, there are two government agencies which control
  export of encryption software. One is the Bureau of Export
  Administration (BXA) in the Department of Commerce, authorized by
  the Export Administration Regulations (EAR). Another is the Office
  of Defense Trade Controls (DTC) in the State Department, authorized
  by the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). As a rule
  of thumb, BXA (which works with COCOM) has less stringent
  requirements, but DTC (which takes orders from NSA) wants to see
  everything first and can refuse to transfer jurisdiction to BXA.

  The newsgroup misc.legal.computing carries many interesting
  discussions on the laws surrounding cryptographic export, what
  people think about those laws, and many other complex issues which
  go beyond the scope of technical groups like sci.crypt. Make sure to
  consult your lawyer before doing anything which will get you thrown in
  jail; if you are lucky, your lawyer might know a lawyer who has at
  least heard of the ITAR.

* What is TEMPEST?

  TEMPEST is a standard for electromagnetic shielding for computer
  equipment. It was created in response to the discovery that
  information can be read from computer radiation (e.g., from a CRT) at
  quite a distance and with little effort.

  Needless to say, encryption doesn't do much good if the cleartext
  is available this way.

* What are the Beale Ciphers, and are they a hoax?

  (Thanks to Jim Gillogly for this information and John King for
  corrections.)

  The story in a pamphlet by J. B. Ward (1885) goes: Thomas
  Jefferson Beale and a party of adventurers accumulated a huge mass
  of treasure and buried it in Bedford County, Virginia, leaving
  three ciphers with an innkeeper; the ciphers describe the
  location, contents, and intended beneficiaries of the treasure.
  Ward gives a decryption of the second cipher (contents) called B2;
  it was encrypted as a book cipher using the initial letters of the
  Declaration of Independence (DOI) as key. B1 and B3 are unsolved;
  many documents have been tried as the key to B1.

  Aficionados can join a group that attempts to solve B1 by various
  means with an eye toward splitting the treasure:

  The Beale Cypher Association
  P.O. Box 975
  Beaver Falls, PA 15010

  You can get the ciphers from the rec.puzzles FAQL by including the
  line:

  send index

  in a message to netlib@peregrine.com and following the directions.
  (There are apparently several different versions of the cipher
  floating around. The correct version is based on the 1885 pamphlet,
  says John King <kingj@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>.)

  Some believe the story is a hoax. Kruh [KRU88] gives a long list of
  problems with the story. Gillogly [GIL80] decrypted B1 with the DOI
  and found some unexpected strings, including ABFDEFGHIIJKLMMNOHPP.
  Hammer (president of the Beale Cypher Association) agrees that this
  string couldn't appear by chance, but feels there must be an
  explanation; Gwyn (sci.crypt expert) is unimpressed with this
  string.

* What is the American Cryptogram Association, and how do I get in touch?

  The ACA is an organization devoted to cryptography, with an emphasis
  on cryptanalysis of systems that can be attacked either with
  pencil-and-paper or computers. Its organ ``The Cryptogram'' includes
  articles and challenge ciphers. Among the more than 50 cipher types in
  English and other languages are simple substitution, Playfair,
  Vigenere, bifid, Bazeries, grille, homophonic, and cryptarithm.

  Dues are $15 for one year (6 issues); more outside of North America;
  less for students under 18 and seniors. Subscriptions should be sent
  to ACA Treasurer, 18789 West Hickory St., Mundelein, IL 60060.

* Is RSA patented?

  Yes. The patent number is 4,405,829, filed 12/14/77, granted 9/20/83.
  For further discussion of this patent, whether it should have been
  granted, algorithm patents in general, and related legal and moral
  issues, see comp.patents and misc.legal.computing. For information
  about the League for Programming Freedom see [FTPPF]. Note that one of
  the original purposes of comp.patents was to collect questions such as
  ``should RSA be patented?'', which often flooded sci.crypt and other
  technical newsgroups, into a more appropriate forum.

* What about the Voynich manuscript?

  nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) says there is a mailing list on the
  subject.  the address to write to subscribe to the VMS mailing list
  is: <voynich-request@rand.org>

  the ftp archive is: rand.org:/pub/voynich


hey... I'm pretty new to the wonderful world of motorcycles... I just
bought
a used 81 Kaw KZ650 CSR from a friend.... I was just wondering what kind of

saddle bags I could get for it (since I know nothing about them)  are there
bags for the gas tank?  how much would some cost, and how much do they
hold?
thanks for your advice!!!  I may be new to riding, but I love it
already!!!!
:)


The point that I forgot to bring up here (and this has nothing to do with being
a gang member or not) is that it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in this
area (or in the state of illinois for that matter).  This is not to say that
people in Illinois don't carry concealed weapons illegaly but practicing like
that when there are other people around wasn't too bright of an idea.

I agree.      If you don't practice at all and carry a gun for self-defense you
most likely would be in big trouble if a situation were to arise.


Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs, preferably but not essentially in the London area.

Thanks

Lisa Rowlands


I'm looking for a better method to back up files.  Currently using a MaynStream
250Q that uses DC 6250 tapes.  I will need to have a capacity of 600 Mb to 1Gb
for future backups.  Only DOS files.

I would be VERY appreciative of information about backup devices or
manufacturers of these products.  Flopticals, DAT, tape, anything.
If possible, please include price, backup speed, manufacturer (phone #?),
and opinions about the quality/reliability.

Please E-Mail, I'll send summaries to those interested.

Thanx in advance,


It is more appropriate to address netters with their names as they appear in
their signatures (I failed to do so since you did not bother to sign your
posting). Not only because it is the polite thing to do, but also to avoid
addressing ladies with "Mr.", as you have done.

Secondly, the island of which the name is more correctly spelled as Cyprus has
never been Greek, but rather, it has been home to a bi-communal society formed
of Greeks and Turks. It seems that you know as little about the history and
the demography of the island, as you know about the essence of Turkey's
military intervention to it under international agreements.

Be that as it may, an analogy between an act of occupation in history and what
is going on today on Azerbaijani land, can only be drawn with the expansionist
policy that Armenia is now pursuing.

But, I could agree that it is not for us to issue diagnoses to the political
conduct of countries, and promulgate them in such terminology as
"itchy-bitchy"...

Onur Yalcin


Its time for a little house cleaning after my PC upgrade.  I have the following
for sale:

Leading Technology PC partner (286) sytsem.  includes
	80286 12mhz intel cpu
	85Mb IDE drive (brand new - canabalized from new system)
	3.5 and 5.24 floppies
	1 Meg ram
	vga congroller
	kb
	5.0 dos on hard drive
need to get $300 for system

AT style kb - $20
Logitech serial trackman with latest drivers $45

Amiga 500 with 2.0 roms installed and 1Mb video ram and 4Mb addon ram
	501 clone (512K ram and clock)
	Roctec addon disk IDE disk controller includes SCSI option
	Quantum 105mb SCSI drive with lots of software
	4mb ( 4 x 1mb simm) installed in roctec
	Amiga DOS 2.04
	ICD Flicker Fixer II
Asking $500 for  system,

I will part out the amiga, make an offer!

amiga Software
	Cando				- $25
	Textcraft Plus			- $5
	tetris & welltris		- $5 for both
	Sword of Sodam			- $5
	Qix				- $5
	Carmen Sandiego			- $5
	Crossword Construction Kit	- $10

	Canadian Prototype Replicas
	CD rom Fast File System		- $30

	Hypermedia CD rom containing fred fish disks 1-480
	includes registration card, low cost upgrades.	$20

	Amiga hardware Reference Man	- $5
	Amiga to vga monitor cable	- $5
	two joysticks			- $5 each

Prices DO NOT include shipping.

Contact Rich Garrett
Email - richg@sequent.com
HOME (503) 591-5466	WORK (503) 578-3822


This is an interesting question to ponder.  Did Brad/Ali's sickness
make Ayatollah-style Islam attractive to him or did this new religion
that Brad/Ali has formally adopted give him this sickness?


  Bingo.
 Nothing evil at all. There's no actual harm in what they're doing, only
how they represent it.

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 .sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one.


For Sale:
    One Boss Turbo Overdrive Pedal for guitar, bass, or keyboards--$35
or best offer. Thanks!! Respond to hw26 or call 268-4841.


Just heard on the news that Mike Keenan formerly of the Blackhawks, Flyers,
and General of a Siberian Prison has just signed to coach the Rangers.  The
Rangers, who won the President's Cup last year have slipped just a bit at the
end of the season and are destined to finish last behind the lowly Flyers.
The Flyers' fans are going to be disappointed on Keenans decision, because
they were very interested in him.  Oh well.

Go CAPS!!!!!!!

Connin


I was under the impression that the objective is to find conclusive
evidence that the puck _did_ cross the line.  And, the replays I saw showed
fairly conclusively that the puck did _not_ cross the goal line at any
time anyway.  Somebody screwed up.


-*----
I agree with everything that Lee Lady wrote in her previous post in
this thread.  In case this puzzles people, I would like to expand
on two of her comments.

One of the most important (and difficult) aspects of reasoning
about empirical investigation lies in understanding the context,
scope, and importance of the various arguments and pieces of
evidence that are marshalled for a claim.  Some errors break the
back of a piece of research, some leave a hole that needs to be
filled in, and some are trivial in their importance.  It is a
grave mistake to confuse these.

Past snippets from this thread:

Back to Lee Lady:

These posters are making the mistake that I have previously
criticized of adhering to a methodological recipe.  A "carefully
designed and controlled study" is neither always possible nor
always important.  (On the other hand, if someone is proposing a
remedy that supposedly alleviates a chronic medical problem, we
have enough knowledge of the errors that have plagued *this* kind
of claim to ask for a "carefully designed and controlled study"
to alleviate our skepticism.)

Rules such as "support the hypothesis by a carefully designed and
controlled study" are too narrow to apply to *all* investigation.
I think that the requirements for particular reasoning to be
convincing depends greatly on the kinds of mistakes that have
occurred in past reasoning about the same kinds of things.  (To
reuse the previous example, we know that conclusions from
uncontrolled observations of the treatment of chronic medical
problems are notoriously problematic.)


First of all, the chip doesn't do that.  It runs at 16 megabits/second,
which is far beyond what you need for voice.  It's obviously intended
for data as well, and on high-speed lines at that.

Second -- what advantage is there to doing the processing in the phone?
I don't care how fancy that chip is; it's not as fancy as the roomful
of analyzers at Fort Meade running the program they'll have 5 years from
now.  They can't update every Clipper chip that's out there.


A long-time reader of t.p.g, I am also a staunch RKBA supporter, yet
I own no firearms.

Amen, brother.

--
Nicholas Sylvain (sylvain@netcom.com) --- I am the NRA


We are trying to install a donated hard disk (Miniscribe
vintage 1988) on a supercheap ancient Compaq XT for
use in education.  The only problem is that the
supercheap Compaq didn't come with the manual and I
haven't been able to figure out how to start the SETUP
program.

I began using PCs after 286s were invented, so I have
a couple of basic questions:

1.  Did XT-class computers even *have* SETUP programs?

2.  If they did (or, do), how do I access it?

If anybody has any good advice on how to proceed or
what to do next or what to look out for, please let me
know.  E-mail is best, but I'll also be watching the
newsgroup postings.

Thanks in advance,
-Robert

--


You can probably get this information by calling your public health
department in your county (in Pittsburgh, they give the shots free,
as well).  There are bulletins in medical libraries that give
recommendations, or you could call the infectious diseases section
of the medicine department of your local medical school.  You also
will probably want to talk about Malaria prophylaxis.  You will
need your doctor to get the prescription.
--
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Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."


Could someone please post the rosters for the College Hockey All-Star game East
and West Rosters?  Thanks in advance.


Help!

I'm trying to run dxterm's (DECs' xterm) on a DECstation 5000/240
(Ultrix 4.3, X11R4, Motif 1.1.3) with the DISPLAY variable set to an
Apollo DN2500 (Domain/OS 10.3, X11R4, Motif ?.?).

I get these errors appearing on the DECstation:

X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apCharDel        " to type VirtualBinding
X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apCopy   " to type VirtualBinding
X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apCut    " to type VirtualBinding
X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apPaste  " to type VirtualBinding
X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apUpBox  " to type VirtualBinding
X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apDownBox        " to type VirtualBinding
X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apRightBar       " to type VirtualBinding
X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apLeftBar        " to type VirtualBinding
Segmentation fault

Any ideas? Is it a Motif problem...are the DEC and Apollo versions of Motif
incompatible? Or something to do with XKeysymDB?

(xterms run fine on DEC displaying on Apollo..arggh)

I need to run dxterm because the package we are using on the DEC's, Oracle Case,
uses dxterm by default, and we have a lab of Apollo workstations we would like
to run Oracle from.

Andrew "Alf" Leahy, alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au


But, you wouldn't know what red *was*, and you certainly couldn't judge
it subjectively.  And, objectivity is not applicable, since you are wanting
to discuss the merits of red.


An excellent reference for non-technical readers on the ORION system is
"The Starflight Handbook", by Eugene Mallove and Gregory Matloff, ISBN
0-471-61912-4. The relevant chapter is 4: Nuclear Pulse Propulsion.

The book also contains lots of technical references for the more academically
inclined.

Enjoy!


I have 2 foot switches for sale.  They're great for guitar
amps, and keyboards.  Each is about 1" in diameter with a 6' (or so)
cable.  I'd like $15 for both, but make me an offer, who knows...

-Jason


I think you would lose your money. Julius was actually rather tall
for a Roman. He did go on record as favouring small soldiers though.
Thought they were tougher and had more guts. He was probably right
if you think about it. As for Napoleon remember that the French
avergae was just about 5 feet and that height is relative! Did he
really have a complex?

ObSpace :  We have all seen the burning candle from High School that goes
out and relights. If there is a large hot body placed in space but in an
atmosphere, exactly how does it heat the surroundings? Diffusion only?

Joseph Askew


hmmmm.. not sure, since no such beast exists.. i can tell you another
though..  you won't catch me dead in a GMC Syclone or Typhoon either,
1000 bhp or not.. not even the fact that Clint Eastwood has one.  just
my taste,  no rational reasons for it.

CAR just tested the S4 wagon with 5 banger and 6 speed manual.  Rave
review except for Servotronic..  Audi is trying to recoup the
development costs for the V8, and since the V8 is not selling well,
they are sticking it into the 100 series cars.. Neat marketing trick,
eh?  yeah, a 100 V8-32v wouldn't be a bad idea as competition for the
upcoming bimmer 530/540i would it?  maybe they can use a 3.6 liter
version to avoid conflicts with the v8 model.. then strip off all the
luxo-garbage.  let the S4 remain with the flared arches and fat tires
to go fight with the M5.... maybe turn up the boost a wee bit to bump
bhp up to say 450 or so.. :-) while keeping the 100 V8 with mercedes
500E style subtlety.

blah blah blah....