Yes, but as has been mentioned many times before, the Islanders play at
the talent level of their opponent.  Since Hartford is pitiful, the
Islanders played pitiful.  Since Pittsburgh is great, the Isles will most
likely play great.  This is most likely due to inexperience and very poor
shooting.  To Greg: yes, I have noticed that the Islanders couldn't hit
the broad side of a barn with the puck if they were two feet in front of
it.  Does anyone have shooting percentages?  I don't know if that would
help, since they often miss the net completely, but it might shed some
light on the subject.

And, my playoff pool is running!!!  Exact rules to be posted tomorrow, but
don't hesitate to send in picks!!!

--
    Keith Keller				LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
						LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!
	kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu		IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!


Joe,

     As usual, this issue of dysfunction, of bad values, of messed up culture
is easily embraced by non african americans when it comes to explaining
problems in our community. From your post, you apparently find the idea that
something is wrong with African Americans, value-wise, culture wise or
something, very appealing. I never cease to be amazed at how eager non african
americans are to embrace theories about our problems which basically assert
that something is wrong with us. The socio-economic factors which we know help
to produce high crime levels, like poverty, which exists among us in large
proportion, I mean when it comes to discussion of african american problems, we
somehow become exempt from all these types of factors, and the problem is
laid at the doorstep of some neboulous dysfunction we supposedly have. But
nobody attributes crime amongst white americans to dysfunction. No, that has
socioeconomic factors to it, but for africa americans, its gotta be a
dysfunction.

Basically, I think this tendency for non african americans to believe that
something is wrong with us exists because non african americans don't want to
deal with the possiblility that the society is deeply biased against african
americans, and that this is about 80% of the problem. It could not possible be
that the society is so deeply racist and structured against us, that this has
a very effective negative effect on us. No, something is wrong with us.
Non african americans are quick to disregard what we have to say, because they
are so busy trying to find something wrong with us, instead of taking a good
hard look at the thing we say are doing us damage. I would get angry if it
werent' so damn typical.


   Just a quick question. If Mary was Immaculately concieved, so she
   could be a pure vessel, does this mean that she was without sin
   and, therefore, the perfect (meaning sinless) female human being?
   Is this why she is held so highly in the Catholic Church despite
   it's basically patriarchical structure?

She was immaculately conceived, and so never subject to Original Sin,
but also never committed a personal sin in her whole life.  This was
possible because of the special degree of grace granted to her by God.

She is regarded so highly because of her special relationship to God,
and everything that flows from that relationship.

The Catholic Church sees her as the new Eve.  (The Fathers in the
early Church use this particular figure a lot.)


Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of
sins.


I think he is trying to mislead people.  In cases where race
information is sought, it is completely voluntary (the census
possibly excepted).


The real question here in my opinion is what Motorola processors running system
7 on a MAC are comparable to what Intel processors running Windows on a PC?  I
recall there being a conversation here that a 486/25 running Windows benchmarks
at about the same speed as 25Mhz 030 in system 7.  I don't know if that is
true, but I would love to hear if anyone has any technical data on this.

-David


As of last week, Mac's Place had the Applied Engineering QuickSilver card
(32k cache, one PDS slot, socket for FPU) on sale for $99.00 (without FPU).
Regular price is $199.

No idea if this is still going on, but I can get the phone no. if anyone is
interested (I found their ad in MacUser).


james, i really hate to do this, but try reading the damn posts!
never was a t'bird mentioned.  The discussion was about SHO's and
'stangs not being up to spec.  I do not know about t'birds.  I
only know that the specs quoted for the SHO by previous poster sounded
a little anemic for me to say that it was up to snuff.  This does not
in any way  disencourage* me from wishing to own one, nor does it make it
a bad car.  It merely means that i think Ford could have added that extra
bit of safety  and tossed in larger brakes, as the wheels are plenty large
enough for them to fit (if memory serves right, which it may very well not)
and the motor plenty powerful enough to need it.


Everybody.  Please send me your predictions for the Stanley Cup Playoffs!
I want to see who people think will win.!!!!!!!

Please Send them in this format, or something comparable:

1. Winner of Buffalo-Boston
2. Winner of Montreal-Quebec
3. Winner of Pittsburgh-New York
4. Winner of New Jersey-Washington
5. Winner of Chicago-(Minnesota/St.Louis)
6. Winner of Toronto-Detroit
7. Winner of Vancouver-Winnipeg
8. Winner of Calgary-Los Angeles

9. Winner of Adams Division (1-2 above)
10. Winner of Patrick Division (3-4 above)
11. Winner of Norris Division (5-6 above)
12. Winner of Smythe Division (7-8 above)

13. Winner of Wales Conference (9-10 above)
14. Winner of Campbell Conference (11-12 above)

15. Winner of Stanley Cup (13-14 above)

I will summarize the predictions, and see who is the biggest
INTERNET GURU PREDICTING GUY/GAL.

Send entries to Richard Madison
rrmadiso@napier.uwaterloo.ca

PS:  I will send my entries to one of you folks so you know when I say
I won, that I won!!!!!


Here are the final stats for the CHL for the 1992-1993 season.

                       Central Hockey League

                       5840 S. Memorial Drive
                             Suite 205
                          Tulsa, OK  74145
                       Phone:  (918) 664-8881
                       Fax:    (918) 664-2215

Founder and President - Ray Miron
Commissioner - Monte Miron
Marketing Director - Jim Goodman
Information Director - Eric Kolb

Each team is owned by the league, with local intrests controlling day to
day operations.  Working agreements and NHL affiliations are up to each
team.

Each team has a $100,000 salary cap for 17 total players
(16 dress up).

Each team is limited to 11 visas, meaning at least 6 players must be
Americans (Ignore this rule if you are Tulsa, they only had 2 Americans
on the roster during the playoffs).

Teams play in Wichita, Tulsa, Oklahoma City, Memphis, Fort Worth, and Dallas.

Future expansion plans include Houston, San Antonio, Baton Rouge, Little Rock,
El Paso, Albuquerque, Tuscon, and Amarillo.  Austin is a possibility if Dallas
has to move.  Houston and San Antonio are in for this fall, with Baton Rouge
and Little Rock likely for 94-95.

TEAMS:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Fort Worth Fire                 | Wichita Thunder
                                          |
Arena:    Tarrant Co. Conv. Cen. (11,342) | Kansas Coliseum (9,686)
Colors:   Red and Black                   | Blue , silver, and black
GM:       George Branum                   | Bill Shuck
Coach:    Pete Mahavolich                 | Doug Sheddan
Phone #:  (817) 335-FIRE                  | (316) 264-4625
Season Tix: $300 / $240                   | $250 / $170
Single Tix: $12 / $10                     | $9 / $6
Radio:                                    |
Announcers:                               |
                                          |
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Dallas Freeze                   | Tulsa Oilers
                                          |
Arena:    Fair Park Coliseum (7,500)      | Civic Center (6,847)
Colors:   Teal and Black                  | Orange and Blue
GM:       Tom Koch                        | Jeff D. Lund
Coach:    Ron Flockhart                   | Gary Unger      Personal Guardians
Phone #:  (214) 421-PUCK                  | (918) 663-5888  ------------------
Season Tix: $300 / $240                   |                    Ray and Monte
Single Tix: $12 / $10 / $7                | $9 / $6                Miron
Radio:    KSKY-AM 660                     | KTRT-AM 1270
Announcers-Bruce LeVine                   | Jeff Brucculeri
           Mark Stone                     | Jeff Bowen
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Memphis River Kings             | Oklahoma City Blazers
                                          |
Arena:    Mid-South Coliseum (9,384)      | Myriad (13,399) & State Fair Arena
Colors:   Gold and Black                  | Red, Yellow, and Black   (9,760)
GM:       Jim Riggs                       | Brad Lund
Coach:    Steve Carlson                   | Mike McEwen
Phone #:  (901) 278-9009                  | (405) 235-PUCK
Season Tix:                               | $250 / $170
Single Tix: $9 / $6                       | $9 / $6
Radio:    KREC-AM 600                     | WWLS-AM 640
Announcers-Dave Woloshin                  | John Brooks
           Tom Stocker                    | Brian Barnhart
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

92-93 regular season standings

                           W  L OTL PTS   GF   GA   PIM  AVG ATTDNCE (% cap)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Oklahoma City Blazers.... 39 18  3   81  291  232  1561  7,827   64.2 %
Tulsa Ice Oilers......... 35 22  3   73  270  230  1430  5,547   81.0 %
Dallas Freeze............ 31 25  4   66  276  242  1604  4,427   59.0 %
Memphis RiverKings....... 26 27  7   59  253  272  1670  5,590   59.6 %
Fort Worth Fire.......... 24 29  7   55  252  288  1747  4,920   43.7 %
Wichita Thunder.......... 25 33  2   52  242  320  1876  4,474   46.2 %

Playoffs:  Tulsa defeated Dallas, 4 games to 3 (WLLWWLW)
           Oklahoma City defeated Memphis, 4 games to 2 (WWLLWW)

Levin Trophy Finals:  Tulsa defeated Oklahoma City, 4 games to 1 (WWLWW)

Playoff MVP:  Tony Fiore, Tulsa (special votes to Ray and Monte Miron)

Team vs. Team: 92-93
--------------------
                Dallas  Fort Worth  Memphis  Oklahoma City  Tulsa  Wichita
Dallas.......... -----     9-2-1     5-5-2       5-6-1      5-7-0   7-5-0
Fort Worth...... 3-7-2     -----     4-6-2       4-8-0      8-3-1   5-5-2
Memphis......... 7-4-1     8-3-1     -----       2-8-2      2-8-2   7-4-1
Oklahoma City... 7-4-1     8-3-1    10-2-0       -----      6-6-0   8-3-1
Tulsa........... 7-5-0     4-7-1    10-2-0       6-6-0      -----   8-2-2
Wichita......... 5-7-0     7-3-2     5-7-0       4-8-0      4-8-0   -----

       Power Play Statistics               Penalty Killng Statistics
             PPG  Opp  ShGA   Pct.               PPG Saves Opp  ShG   Pct.
Okla. City    70  275     2  25.45  Okla. City    58   241 299   16  80.60
Tulsa         72  291    12  24.74  Dallas        68   278 346   14  80.34
Dallas        64  286    10  22.37  Tulsa         77   276 353   16  78.18
Fort Worth    85  387    16  21.96  Wichita       75   235 310    5  75.806
Wichita       81  396    24  20.45  Memphis       83   260 343   12  75.801
Memphis       65  329    12  19.75  Fort Worth    76   237 313   13  75.71

Penalty Record
                                            10-Min  Game Gross        Oppn
             PIM  Avg.  Minor  Major  Bench   Misc  Misc  Misc  Match  PIM
Wichita     1876  31.3   433     84     20     22    24     0     3   1998
Fort Worth  1747  29.1   471     59     29     26    23     2     0   1911
Memphis     1670  27.8   480     56     28     28    13     1     1   1593
Dallas      1604  26.7   477     60      2     20    15     0     0   1534
Okla. City  1561  26.0   438     67     14     14    21     0     0   1609
Tulsa       1430  23.8   505     26      6     21     8     0     0   1243

Scoring By Period
            1st Period  2nd Period  3rd Period  Overtime  Shootout  Totals
              GF  GA      GF  GA      GF  GA     GF  GA    GF  GA   GF  GA
Dallas        76  82     106  82      90  74      0   1     4   3   276 242
Fort Worth    70  81      92 112      84  88      3   5     3   2   252 288
Memphis       66  88     101  89      82  88      2   3     2   4   253 272
Okla.City     98  87      82  71     108  71      1   1     2   2   291 232
Tulsa         99  58      92  83      76  86      3   1     0   2   270 230
Wichita       79  92      73 109      84 117      2   0     4   2   242 320

                          92-93 All-Star Team
                          -------------------

Position      First Team                    Second Team
--------      ----------                    -----------
Goaltender... Tony Martino, Tulsa           Robert Desjardins, Wichita (tie)
                                            Alan Perry, Oklahoma City (tie)

Defensemen... Dave Doucette, Dallas         Mike Berger, Dallas
              Guy Girouard, Oklahoma City   Tom Karalis, Tulsa

Center....... Carl Boudreau, Oklahoma City  Joe Burton, Oklahoma City

Left Wing.... Sylvain Fleury, Oklahoma City Doug Lawrence, Tulsa

Right Wing... Daniel Larin, Oklahoma City   Tom Mutch, Memphis (tie
                                            Sylvain Naud, Tulsa (tie)

Regular Season MVP:  Sylvain Fleury, Oklahoma City
Rookie of the Year:  Bobby Desjardins, Wichita
Leading Defenseman:  Dave Doucette, Dallas
Leading Goaltender:  Tony Martino, Tulsa

Scoring Leaders:
----------------
POINTS              Team  GP  G  A  PTS   GOALS             Team  GP  G
Fleury, Sylvain     OKC   59 48 53  101   Fleury, Sylvain   OKC   53 48
Lawrence, Doug      TUL   57 22 73   95   Larin, Daniel     OKC   48 43
Naud, Sylvain       TUL   58 39 48   87   Mutch, Tom        MEM   59 43
Mutch, Tom          MEM   59 43 38   81   Thibodeau, Ken    MEM   54 40
Hall, Taylor        TUL   58 35 45   80   Naud, Sylvain     TUL   58 39
Thibodeau, Ken      MEM   54 40 35   75   Taylor, Jason     DAL   60 38
Anchikoski, Wayne   DAL   57 35 37   72
Boudreau, Carl      OKC   48 27 44   71   ASSISTS           Team  GP  A
Larin, Daniel       OKC   48 43 27   70   Lawrence, Doug    TUL   57 73
Taylor, Jason       DAL   60 38 32   70   Fleury, Sylvain   OKC   59 53
Dent, Ted           WCH   60 25 44   69   Naud, Sylvain     TUL   58 48
Sanderson, Mike     FTW   60 37 31   68   Doucette, Dave    DAL   50 46
Gatti, Dave         WCH   58 35 32   67   Hall, Taylor      TUL   58 45
Nobili, Mario       TUL   54 31 34   65   Girouard, Guy     OKC   60 45
Cyr, Keith          WCH   58 21 44   65
D'Amario, Peter     MEM   60 28 35   63   PENALTY MINUTES   Team  GP PIM
Johnston, Scot      MEM   51 23 40   63   Aubrey, Ron       FTW   28 237
Burton, Joe         OKC   55 35 26   61   Karalis, Tom      TUL   56 235
Simoni, Steve       OKC   56 33 28   61   Johnson, Craig    OKC   50 219
Hornak, Ernest      FTW   52 22 37   59   Neish, Greg       WCH   34 212
Fiore, Tony         TUL   37 23 35   58   Batten, John      MEM   29 210
Doucette, Dave      DAL   50 10 46   56   Taylor, Jason     DAL   60 210

LEADING GOALTENDERS (20 or more games)
                   TEAM GPI  MIN  GAA  W-L-OTL  EN SO   GA  Saves  Save Pct.
Martino, Tony       TUL  39 2182 3.66  23-13-2   0  2  133  1186   .899
Perry, Alan         OKC  40 2406 3.72  25-13-2   3  0  149  1304   .897
Zanier, Mike        DAL  40 2384 3.78  24-14-2   3  1  150  1223   .891
Mindjimba, Antoine  MEM  56 3097 4.15  26-21-6   4  1  214  1603   .882
Smith, Greg         DAL  21 1243 4.15   7-11-2   0  0   86   753   .897
Desjardins, Bobby   WCH  52 2849 4.63  21-26-2   6  1  220  1877   .895
Belley, Roch        FTW  33 1728 4.75  14-13-2   3  0  141   974   .874

Other Goalies
                   TEAM GPI  MIN  GAA  W-L-OTL  EN SO   GA  Saves  Save Pct.
Flatt, Brian        TUL  11  488  3.44   4-3-1   1  1   28  274    .907
Krake, Paul         OKC  17 1029  3.50  13-3-1   0  0   60  583    .907
Loewen, Jamie       TUL  13  681  3.79   6-5-0   1  0   43  399    .903
Ocello, Matt        FTW   4  179  3.69   3-1-0   1  0   11  100    .901
Ocello, Matt        TUL   1   34  5.29   0-0-0   0  0    3   13    .813
(Totals)                  5  213  3.94   3-1-0   1  0   14  113    .890
Raymond, Eric       TUL   3  181  3.98   2-1-0   0  0   12   87    .879
O'Hara, Michael     FTW  18  911  4.28   6-6-2   0  0   65  559    .896
Vasko, Steve        MEM  15  535  5.16   0-6-1   4  0   46  235    .836
Trentadue, Rocco    FTW  17  746  4.99   1-9-3   3  0   62  365    .855
Trentadue, Rocco    OKC   2  120  6.50   0-2-0   0  0   13   93    .877
(Totals)                 19  866  5.20  1-11-3   3  0   75  458    .859
Harvey, Alain       WCH   5  240  5.50   2-2-0   2  0   22  126    .851
Gosselin, Yannick   WCH  10  345  6.43   2-3-0   0  0   37  227    .860
Gosselin, Yannick   OKC   1   60  5.00   1-0-0   0  0    5   26    .839
(Totals)                 11  405  6.22   3-3-0   0  0   42  253    .896
Caton, Murray       WCH   2  120  9.00   0-2-0   0  0   18   84    .824
McDonnell, Dan      TUL   1   34  8.83   0-0-0   0  0    5   24    .828
Sauer, E.J.         TUL   1   12 10.00   0-0-0   0  0    2    4    .667
Clark, Joel         WCH   2   48 10.00   0-0-0   0  0    8   29    .784
Wachter, Steve      WCH   2   24 12.50   0-0-0   0  0    5    6    .545


Flights of fancy, and other irrational approaches, are common.  The crucial
thing is not to sit around just having fantasies; they aren't of any use
unless they make you do some experiments.  I've known a lot of scientists
whose fantasies lead them on to creative work; usually they won't admit
out loud what the fantasy was, prior to the consumption of a few beers.

(Simple example: Warren Jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a DNA
electrophoresis gel of human ALU fragments.  He got very excited, hoping that
he'd seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic
genes.  This fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out
binding assays.  The result was a well-conserved, 400 or so bp, sequence
that occurs about 500,000 times in the human genome.  Unfortunately for
Warren's fantasy, it turns out to be a transposon that is present in
so many copies because it replicates itself and copies itself back into
the genome.  On the other hand, the characteristics of transposons were
much elucidated; the necessity of a cellular reverse transcriptase was
recognized; and the standard method of recognizing human DNA was created.
Other species have different sets of transposons.  Fortunately for me,
Warren and I used to eat dinner at T.G.I. Fridays all the time.)

I'm not sure that it's random.  But there is no known rational mechanism
for generating a rich set of interesting hypotheses.  If you are really
working in an unknown area, it is unlikely that you will have much sense
of what might or might not be true; under those circumstances, the best
thing to do is just follow whatever instincts you have.  If they are wrong,
you will find out soon enough; but at least, you will find out _something_.
If you try to do experiments at random, with no prior conceptions at all
in mind, you will probably get nowhere.

Unfortunately, the critical function does sometimes become hostage to
non-rational forces.  Then we get varieties of pathological science:
Lysenko, Mirsky's opposition to DNA-as-gene, cold fusion, and so forth.

I don't agree that this follows.  In fact, this is _exactly_ the point at
which I disagree with Feyerabend.  It is a most important part of the
culture of science that one keeps one's jealousies out of the refereeing
process.  Failures there are aplenty, but, on the whole, things work out.

Another point: there are a couple of senses of the phrase ``experimental
design''.  I'd say that the less rational part is in experimental _choice_,
not design.  Alexander Fleming (Proc. Royal Soc., 1922) chose to look for
bacteriophage in his own mucus for strange reasons (Phage had previously
been found in locust diarrhea; Fleming probably thought runny bottom, runny
nose, what the hell, it's worth a try.) but his method of looking for phage
was well-designed to detect anything phage-like; in fact, he found lysozyme.

It is not clear to me what you mean by rational vs. irrational.  Perhaps
you can give a few examples of surprising experiments that were tried out
for perfectly rational reasons, or interesting new theories that were first
advanced from logical grounds.  The main examples I can think of are from
modern high-energy physics which is not typical of science as a whole.


I would really appreciate if when someone brought something like
this up they didn't back out when someone asked for details.


Howdy,

Sorry if this has been covered before:

One of my PC illiterate friends asked me to help him install DRDOS 6.0 on his
NEC Powermate SX (386SX 16).  Of course, I said "No problem" and went to work.
Unfortunately, the DRDOS refuses to recognize the hard drive during
installation, even though I am still able to boot off of the hard drive using
the old DOS.  After openning it up I discovered it was using an 8-bit
Seagate SCSI controller on a ST-157N SCSI 40Mbtye drive.  I then booted
with DRDOS 6.0 off of the floppy a second time and ran fdisk to see if
I could access the drive.  Lo and behold the primary 46.5 Mbyte partition
was intact (created by DOS 3.1 no less, I didn't think you could go over a
32Mbyte partition in the older DOSes. I could be wrong...).  I then tried
to remove the primary partition, which it wouldn't allow me to do.  I am
unaware of anything special that has to be done with a SCSI drive (I
kinda expected it to work just like an IDE/MFM/RLL drive for DOS
installations).  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated (except for
"Throw it in the garbage and buy a new PC")...

Thanks in advance,


In the latest case in Denver, they were giving away tickets to a Denver
Nuggets basketball game.

How traceable is a money order?  (I don't know. Haven't used one in 20 years)

Is that even an issue if the weapons aren't checked for being stolen?


#1

Clayton, my man...

You are a tad out of touch....

First, gay comunities all over the country are in the process of excluding NAMBLA
from parades etc.

#2

Nobody from NAMBLA is gonna get a job in a day care centre.  The same liberals you are
upset about are also passing laws that make tough background checks for childcare
people.

#3

Tell me, how would you feel if your employer fired you for your antigay post on the
internet?  Would you be upset ?  I`ll bet you would be pissed!
To some, your posts ,ight make the company look bad.
While your posts offend me I dont think it would be right for you to get fired over
it.

I dont believe the gay comunity is asking for hiring quotas like the affirmative
action laws of the 60's did.
My understanding is that the gay community just wants the same rights the srtraights
have.  I dont think people should have their leases cancelled when their landlord
finds out they are gay.  I dont think that when someone sees someone walk out of
a gay business and then blabs it all over work that the gay person gets fired.
Do you REALLY think these are justified ?

#4

Clayton, I am told you are a parent a couple times over.
Have you been following the strip in the paper "For Better or For Worse" ?

I honestly want your opinion as a parent on the strip.

Do you really care about your childeren
as much as friends of mine tell me ?  How much do you care about your childeren ?
How much do you care about other people's childeren?  Do you care about MY childeren?
Do you care about my sister's childeren ?

If one of your kids told you he/she was gay, would you throw them out of your home
in the middle of the night?

Would you approve of your childeren driving down to San Francisco to trow bottles
at and beat up on gay people?  Would you condone your childeren beating up on someone
elses childeren ?


Hi folks,
	I have a 386/25 daughter board for Zeos, which I want to upgrade to
486/25 or 33.
So send me mail with you offer if you are
		1. Selling 486/25 or 486/33 (zeos daughterboard)
		2. Willing to buy my 386/25 (zeos daughterboard)
Thanks..
Murli


NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, APR 19, 1993

          Not because you were too busy but because
            Israelists in the US media spiked it.

                     ................

                  THOSE INTREPID ISRAELI SOLDIERS

 Israeli soldiers have sexually taunted Arab women in the occupied Gaza Strip
 during the three-week-long closure that has sealed Palestinians off from the
 Jewish state, Palestinian sources said on Sunday.

 The incidents occurred in the town of Khan Younis and involved soldiers of
 the Golani Brigade who have been at the centre of house-to-house raids for
 Palestinian activists during the closure, which was imposed on the strip and
 occupied West Bank.

 Five days ago girls at the Al-Khansaa secondary said a group of naked
 soldiers taunted them, yelling: ``Come and kiss me.'' When the girls fled,
 the soldiers threw empty bottles at them.

 On Saturday, a group of soldiers opened their shirts and pulled down their
 pants when they saw girls from Al-Khansaa walking home from school. Parents
 are considering keeping their daughters home from the all-girls school.

 The same day, soldiers harassed two passing schoolgirls after a youth
 escaped from them at a boys' secondary school. Deputy Principal Srur
 Abu-Jamea said they shouted abusive language at the girls, backed them
 against a wall, and put their arms around them.

 When teacher Hamdan Abu-Hajras intervened the soldiers kicked him and beat
 him with the butts of their rifles.

 On Tuesday, troops stopped a car driven by Abdel Azzim Qdieh, a practising
 Moslem, and demanded he kiss his female passenger. Qdieh refused, the
 soldiers hit him and the 18-year-old passenger kissed him to stop the
 beating.

 On Friday, soldiers entered the home of Zamno Abu-Ealyan, 60, blindfolded
 him and his wife, put a music tape on a recorder and demanded they dance. As
 the elderly couple danced, the soldiers slipped away. The coupled continued
 dancing until their grandson came in and asked what was happening.

     The army said it was checking the reports.

                ....................

      ISRAELI TROOPS BAR CHRISTIANS FROM JERUSALEM

 Israeli troops prevented Christian Arabs from entering Jerusalem on Thursday
 to celebrate the traditional mass of the Last Supper.

 Two Arab priests from the Greek Orthodox church led some 30 worshippers in
 prayer at a checkpoint separating the occupied West Bank from Jerusalem after
 soldiers told them only people with army-issued permits could enter.

     ``Right now, our brothers are celebrating mass in the Church of the Holy
 Sepulchre and we were hoping to be able to join them in prayer,'' said Father
 George Makhlouf of the Ramallah Parish.

     Israel sealed off the occupied lands two weeks ago after a spate of
 Palestinian attacks against Jews. The closure cut off Arabs in the West Bank
 and Gaza Strip from Jerusalem, their economic, spiritual and cultural centre.

    Father Nicola Akel said Christians did not want to suffer the humiliation
 of requesting permits to reach holy sites.

     Makhlouf said the closure was discriminatory, allowing Jews free movement
 to take part in recent Passover celebrations while restricting Christian
 celebrations.

     ``Yesterday, we saw the Jews celebrate Passover without any interruption.
 But we cannot reach our holiest sites,'' he said.

     An Israeli officer interrupted Makhlouf's speech, demanding to see his
 identity card before ordering the crowd to leave.

                   ...................

 If you are as revolted at this as I am, drop Israel's best friend email and
 let him know what you think.

           75300.3115@compuserve.com (via CompuServe)
           clintonpz@aol.com         (via America Online)
           clinton-hq@campaign92.org (via MCI Mail)

 Tell 'em ARF sent ya.

                  ..................................

 If you are tired of "learning" about American foreign policy from what is
 effectively, Israeli controlled media, I highly recommend checking out the
 Washington Report.  A free sample copy is available by calling the American
 Education Trust at:
                      (800) 368 5788

                  Tell 'em arf sent you.


   >	The algorithm is classified because a military contract (or similar
   >government equivalent to military) has been let for this "proprietary"
   >design that the Feds say that NSA developed.  Is there a patent?  Is that
   >patent publicly available?  My betting is that that too is classified.

   Unless there has been a _major_ change in the law, there's no such beast
   as a "classified patent."  Patents exist to encourage communications and
   develop the state of the art.

While there aren't classified patents, there are "patent secrecy orders".

Suppose you invent a voice scrambler for CB radio, and apply for a patent.
The Patent Office decides the NSA might be interested, gives them a copy
of your application, and you get a nice note back saying your patent
application has now been classified for national security reasons and
you're no longer allowed to make and sell it.
I'm picking this example because it happened in the late 1970s.
It was probably some analog scrambler, and would have probably
violated FCC rules anyway, but it did get classified.

Or suppose you publish a paper on your Really Spiffy Algorithm and
then file a patent application.  Since it's been published,
they can't gain anything by classifying it, though you can't get
patents in most countries other than the US, where patent laws are different.

Obviously a system of classified patents would be highly bogus
"You can't sell that widget, because there's a classified patent on it.
You're not allowed to see the patent, or know who owns the design,
so just give us all your money and work in progress and maybe we won't throw
you in jail for espionage."  Some countries might have that kind of
system :-(, but we don't have that here.  Quite.  Yet.


I bought a car with a defunct engine, to use for parts
for my old but still running version of the same car.

The car I bought has good tires.

Is there anything in particular that I should do to
store the defunct car long-term?  I'd hate to have
parts of it go bad.  Someone has told me it's bad
for the tires to not move the car once-in-a-while.
Is this true?   Do I need some props to take the
weight of the tires?

Best to reply by mail, I am getting spotty news delivery.


OK,

    I saw a bike today and I want to know what it is.  Lets begin
by saying that its whole rear end was definately Hawk 650.  Additionally,
it had a CBR900RR style tank, full fairing, and only a tach.  Now, at
first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing),
but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it.  Additionally,
the gauges were certainly not from a Hawk.  They looked much more like
900RR gauges.  Overall, the bike looked like a 900RR except for the
rear single-sided swingarm and wheel (there were straight from the Hawk)

So, what did I see?

(PS, for any of you Boulder DoDers, I saw it parked at the Engineering
center today. It is white with light green stripes.)


But only in NY,NJ, Philadelphia, and Chicago. Everywhere else, the only
reason SportsChannel was available was for local baseball broadcasts.
And local baseball pre-empted the NHL playoffs. Thus far into this
playoff season, ESPN/ABC has given me more hockey in 2 days (1 game)
than SportsChannel did (0 games).

If people want hockey on TV, they should watch hockey on TV. I bet the
ratings for hockey on Sunday on ABC went into the toilet. Next week, there
will be far fewer ABC affiliates with hockey.

Someone in this thread said that he wouldn't watch the games even if
they were on TV, and this is a r.s.h. regular contributor!

Xenophobes north of border needn't fear the US-Americanization of "our"
game, because US-Americans will never figure out how to market hockey
here. Support your team; support your game.


From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
Subject: From Israeli press: Nazi methods.

/* Written  4:38 pm  Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */
/* ---------- "From Israeli press: Nazi methods." ---------- */
FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS

Newspaper: Ha'aretz Date: 14 February1993 Author: Gideon Levi

Subject: NAZI methods in Gaza

Title: In the neighborhood of Hope, among the rubble

(Excerpts)

Mahmoud Jowara'r stared at me long and sadly: "I worked my entire
life in order to built that house and this is what is left". Only
TV could transmit the full sadness of his face. "You say that we
teach our children to hate you, but what do you expect to happen
to a child who sees this ?" And once again he wraps himself in a
lengthy silence, his face crumbling into weeping. Mahmoud stood in
the field of rubble that was once his home. The term
'dispossession' has an absolute meaning here. Nothing is left of
what he accumulated during his entire life, only the rubble of a
house and shreds of belongings.

Once again Khan Yunis. Once again demolished homes. Last Thursday
there was a search for wanted people here. Once again the IDF
forces employed the new method, fired and bombed and shot missiles
and placed explosives. Already three times during the past weeks I
have gone out to see the destruction and each time I was more
horrifying scenes. This time they hit the largest number of
houses, 17 according to the IDF estimate, ten of them completely
demolished. But not only that:  the method has also become more
brutal. Three weeks ago, in Tufah neighborhood in Gaza, the
residents were still told to remove their valuables from their
homes.  This time the army skipped that part; three weeks ago the
handcuffed men, inhabitants of the demolished homes, were supplied
with some water and one apple during the 12 hours they had to
stand. This time there was only water. Three weeks ago they were
even allowed to go out to the toilet. This time the soldier just
gold them: Piss and shit in your pants. And thus, last Thursday,
some 45 men stood for about 12 hours, their hands bound behind
their backs, their eyes blindfolded, without food, with wet pants
on their legs and a terrible feeling of humiliation in their
hearts, listening to the sounds of the explosions destroying their
homes, one after the other.

(...)


                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

a) I think that he has a rather witty .sig file.  It sums up a great
   deal of atheistic thought (IMO) in one simple sentence.
b) Atheism isn't an "other religion".


I finished reading a very good book, "The Will of God", Weatherhead.
This was very helpful to me in applying thought to the subject of the
will of God.

Weatherhead broke the will of God into three distinct parts;
intentional will, circumstancial will, and ultimate will.  He
(Weatherhead) also refuted the last statement (above) by Michael
Parkin above quite nicely.

Summarizing; _despite_ the failures of humankind, God's ultimate will
is never to be defeated.  God's intentions may be interfered with,
even temporarily defeated by the will of humankind, brought down by
circumstance.  His ultimate will (the reconcilication of all
humankind) will never be stopped.

Time after time, Weatherhead used the Cross as the best description of
this process at work.  His points, paraphrased, were 1) God's
intentional will was for Jesus, the Christ, to live out a full life
and perform the work of the Living God.  2) The failures, sins, and
deviousness of humankind frustrated God's intent for His Son.  3)
Despite the circumstance, God's ultimate will was revealed in the
Cross, as Jesus willingly ("not my will, Lord, but yours") died for
the redemption of all humankind.  The Cross was utterly triumphant,
overcoming even the most cruel of circumstances.

It was not the intentional will of God.  It was the circumstancial
will, thus enabling the victory of the ultimate will.

Right, intentional will.

(Just like the Jewish people

We know neither the time nor the place.  He will return as a thief in the night.

Peace.

Rob


                          etc. etc.....

     ^^^^^^

***Sure!!! And what's .3 of a woman??? Any hypothesis??

   How can you trust a report from people that have *no idea*
   of what a MEDIAN is?

   The same bullshit article reported that 22,5% of all the men have
   sex 10 times or more a week (Elf, how many times did you fill
   one of those questionnaires?) and had other statistics that took
   in no consideration different class backgrounds, marital status
   etc.  No information on sampling were given.

Do you think you can compare so lightly secondary data from 2 very
different (and discutible) surveys???

It just shows how dramatically ignorant are press release writers and
most pople that read them.....


I posted my public-domain MSDOS program "sunlight.zip" to "sci.astro" yesterday.
It easily locates the sun, moon, and planets, and can also be used to
locate other objects if you input their Right Ascesion and Declination.
Use "uudecode" to extract.

--

        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com

 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

         "Marxism and feminism are one and that one is Marxism"


Hello there,

I am looking out for good scanners (gray-scale only, no color) which can
be connected to IBM PC compatibles. Also, automatic tray feeding is a must.
Can somebody point out good scanners? What are things that one should look
for while purchasing a scanner? I do not want hand-held scanners.

My preliminary requirements are
1. 75 to 300/400 dpi
2. dithering / half-toning (various patterns)
3. drivers for DOS and windows
4. Standard file formats (what are they?).
5. Automatic feed.
6. Anything more?

	Is there any comparative survery in Byte or PC Mag? Which issue?

Please e-mail. I'll summerize.

- satam.
satam@saathi.ernet.in

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Scientist, Network Division.
National Center For Software Technology, Juhu, Bombay 400 049
Tel : +91 22 620 1606			Fax : +91 22 621 0139


Agreed.

It is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any
reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams.  Just
as Marxism "fails" to specify how pure communism is to be achieved and
the state is to "wither away," libertarians frequently fail to show how
weakening the power of the state will result in improvement in the human
condition.

This is a strawman argument and fails on several grounds.  In this case,
"limited" and "big" government are not defined.  I would point out that
Lebanon, Somalia, and the former Yugoslavia are by some definitions nations
with "limited" government, while the US, Canada, and nations in Western
Europe (where "people would rather live") are often pointed out as
nations with "big government" from a libertarian point of view.

The argument is not between those who want "limited" government and those
who want "unlimited" government.  It is between those who believe
government regulation in a capitalist economy serves worthwhile ends and
those who believe such regulation is neither desirable on empirical
grounds nor justifiable on ideological grounds.

jsh


(excess stuff deleted...)

I know of a similar incident about 3 years ago.  A climatologist( Ithink
that was his profession) named Iben Browning predicted that an earthquake
would hit the New Madrid fault on Dec.3.  Some schools in Missouri that were
on the fault line actually cancelled school for the day.  Many people
evacuated New Madrid and other towns in teh are.  I wouldn't be suprised if
there were more journalists in the area than residents.  Of course, teh
earthquake never occured.  HOw do I know about his?  I used to live in
Southern Illinois and the lican middle school was built directly on the
fault line.  No we still had school... We laughed at the poor idiots who
believed the prediction. :):):):)

Bob, if you're wanting an excuse to convert to Christianity, you gonna have
to look elsewhere.


I would be happy to discuss the  issue of the 12 Imams with you, although
my preference would be to move the discussion to another
newsgroup.  I feel a philosophy
or religion group would be more appropriate. The topic is deeply
embedded in the world view of Islam and the
esoteric teachings of the Prophet (S.A.). Heresy does not enter
into it at all except for those who see Islam only as an exoteric
religion that is only nominally (if at all) concerned with the metaphysical
substance of man's being and nature.

A good introductory book (in fact one of the best introductory
books to Islam in general) is Murtaza Mutahhari's "Fundamental's
of Islamic Thought - God, Man, and the Universe" - Mizan Press,
translated by R. Campbell. Truly a beautiful book. A follow-up book
(if you can find a decent translation) is "Wilaya - The Station
of the Master" by the same author. I think it also goes under the
title of "Master and Mastership" - It's a very small book - really
just a transcription of a lecture by the author.
The introduction to the beautiful "Psalms of Islam" - translated
by William C. Chittick (available through Muhammadi Trust of
Great Britain) is also an excellent introduction to the subject. We
have these books in our University library - I imagine any well
stocked University library will have them.

From your posts, you seem fairly well versed in Sunni thought. You
should seek to know Shi'ite thought through knowledgeable
Shi'ite authors as well - at least that much respect is due before the
charge of heresy is levelled.


We run "SpaceNews & Views" on our STAREACH BBS, a local
operation running WWIV software with the capability to link to
over 1500 other BBS's in the U.S.A. and Canada through WWIVNet.
   Having just started this a couple of months ago, our sub us
currently subscribed by only about ten other boards, but more
are being added.
   We get our news articles re on Internet, via ftp from NASA
sites, and from a variety of aerospace related periodicals. We
get a fair amount of questions on space topics from students
who access the system.
 ____________________________________________________________


Perhaps because you just made it up?


I called the Texas bill tracking people (800/253-9693) again today
regarding HB 1776 -- Concealed Carry.  Well, it was supposed to come
up for a vote this past Wednesday, but the bill got sent back to
the Public Safety Committee.  The PSC gave it a favorable rating
AGAIN, and the bill must now be scheduled for debate by
the Calendars Committee AGAIN.
             Daryl Biberdorf  N5GJM    d-biberdorf@tamu.edu
               + Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura


Hi everyone,

I'm getting a car in the near future.  I've narrow it down to 300ZX and SC300.
Which might be a better choice?

Thanks for your opnion,
Danny
--


I'm writing an X server for some video-generation equipment.  The
hardware is "truecolor" in YUV space; in X terms it has a 24-bit
static color visual.  I would really like to have the server just
present this static visual, but I'm not sure if this will be
acceptable to "most" X clients.  The three problems I see are:

  1) The colormap, though huge, is static.
  2) All pixels would be 3 bytes wide.
  3) Because the hardware actually lives in YUV space, the
     translation RGB->YUV will introduce some rounding error.

Being more of a server guy than a client guy, I ask: will these
limitations thwart many X clients?  Or will most of the X stuff
floating around blithely accept what they're given?  I could write
the server to also present a pseudocolor visual of, e.g., 8 bits,
but I'd rather avoid this if not necessary.

I know there are no absolutes, but I'd appreciate hearing people's
opinions and suggestions.  Thanks!


Used pair of golf shoes Size 9 1/2 good shape no holes etc.  $10.00 o.b.o.
  plus shipping.    David--

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dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil   Wright-Patterson Air Force Base
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Opinions expressed are my own and not those of Logicon or the USAF.


If you don't already know it, you should call the bank/credit union/
finance company that holds the loan on your present car and get the
current payoff cost.

If you are trading in your current car on the new car, subtract the
payoff amount from the trade-in the dealer is giving you.  (If this
turns out to be a negative number, you need to reconsider the deal.)
Subtract this difference from the price of the new car.  This is the
size of the loan you will need for the new car.

The dealer will take care of paying off the loan on your old car out
of the money you give them when you pick up your new car.

At least that's how it worked for me 5 years ago in Ohio...


But, those chips are probably inside a custom chip, (to make it smaller and
use less power) and the preset/data pins are not going to be available.
It would probably not be TTL but might be CMOS
(wider operating voltage range), not that the tecnology would make
much difference.
Plus the custom chip would probably be potted (encapsulated with epoxy).
Good luck.

--
--garyl-------------------------------------------------------------------------
		"Any shark that gets to be 11 or 12 feet long with
	      300 big teeth can be considered dangerous" - 'Shark Bowl '92'


	The quick answer:  Revelation 12:7-9

	"And there was war in heaven.  Michael and his angels fought against
	the dragon and his angels who fought back.  But he [the dragon] was
	not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.  The great
	dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent, called the devil and
	Satan, who leads the whole world astray.  He was hurled down to the
	earth, and his angels with him."

	The earlier part of chapter 12 deals (very symbolically) with why
	Satan rose up in battle against Michael and the good angels in the
	first place.


[...]

I don't claim to be a crypto analyist... there isn't a whole lot of good
literature on the subject, and the best people don't seem to publish
their work :)  but I rather doubt the approach such folks use is brute
force (sorry to have implied that in my previous post).  The history
of these things is folks find clever ways of limiting the search and
bang from there.

I guess my real problem with Skipjack is I can not believe NSA would
make publicly available a system they couldn't break if they wanted...
it just isn't in their charter.  Remember DES came from IBM, not NSA
and, when first published, was given a useful life of 20 years... I think
we are well past that point now :(

Remember, based on the size of the NSA budget, they spend a lot more
on the technology of decryption than most computer companies spend on
R&D.  I have to imagine their stuff is real interesting...

A friend who once worked for them (he is dead now) said he always enjoyed
monitoring SAC's (Strategic Air Command) crypto traffic :)  and I rather
suspect that stuff is a bit more complex than Skipjack  (Or was it the
military got the stuff from the NSA just like we get Skipjack from them ;)
[BTW, folks, NSA wasn't being given the keys.  And the Walker spy case
shows for some of the systems, the KGB didn't need them either.]


Paul Prescod pontificating:

 PP>>     Libertarians oppose BOTH waiting periods AND background checks
 PP>>-- or ANY prerequisite for exercising rights that are supposed to
 PP>>be guaranteed.

 PP>Let me get this straight.  Unlike the other idiots in this newsgroup,
 PP>you actually support anybody having unlimited access to guns,
 PP>inclucing criminals.  (or would you prohibit them from owning them,
 PP>but not from buying them?)

 PP>You are a supreme idiot.  You make the other idiots look like Mensa members.

Thanks Paul, for yet another fine example of the holier than thou gun control
mindset. Why don't you add something intelligent to the debate, like maybe
nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah.
---
 . OLX 2.2 . Fight crime..... shoot back!


One more thing to add, the Orchid board vesa bios is only
able to handle the 1 meg dram on board, the Viper however can
utilize the 2 meg vram on board to support vesa modes such as
1280x1024x256, 800x600x16 mil. and 1024x768x65536 under Dos.


The gravity maneuvering that was used was to exploit 'fuzzy regions'.  These
are described by the inventor as exploiting the second-order perturbations in a
three body system.  The probe was launched into this region for the
earth-moon-sun system, where the perturbations affected it in such a way as to
allow it to go into lunar orbit without large expenditures of fuel to slow
down. The idea is that 'natural objects sometimes get captured without
expending fuel, we'll just find the trajectory that makes it possible". The
originator of the technique said that NASA wasn't interested, but that Japan
was because their probe was small and couldn't hold a lot of fuel for
deceleration.

	This from an issue of 'Science News' or 'The Planetary Report' I
believe, about 2 months ago(?).


The subject-line says it:  every time I run a fever, I get an amazing
rosy rash over my torso and arms.  Fortunately, it doesn't itch.

The rash  always comes on the day after the
fever breaks and no matter what the illness was:  cold, flu, whatever.
It started happening about four years ago after I moved to my current
town, although I don't know if that has anything to do with anything.

Severity and persistance of the rash seems to vary with the fever:
a severe or long-lasting fever brings a long-lasting rash.  A mild fever
seems to bring rashes that go away faster.

Anybody know what might be causing this?  It's no more than an
embarassment, but I'd be curious to know what's going on.  Am I carrying
some kind of fever-resistant bug that goes wild when fever knocks out
its competition?


A couple of other tips.

1) Make a habit of parking the bike so that instruments are facing away
   from the sun.

2) Meguiar's Mirror Glaze Plastic Polish & Plastic Cleaner. (Cue canned
   product plug #2543):

What you want are Meguiar's Mirror Glaze Plastic Polish and Plastic
Cleaner. They are very mild abrasives meant to remove scratches from
plastic. For fine scratches just use the Polish, for bigger ones start
with the Cleaner and finish with the Polish. The stuff is $5-8 bucks per
bottle at most auto or motorcycle parts stores. Don't choke over the
price too much, since both bottles will probably last you 10 years. The
stuff works great on plastic watch "crystals" and compact discs too.


I have a bout a dozen Newtek Video Toaster Links available. These connect
Macs and the Video Toaster.  List is $595,  street price likely to be $495.
I can sell them off for $425 including shipping anywhere.. Factory
shrinkwrapped. Plus tax if in California. E-mail rebop or call 916 924-9911
M-F 8-5 if you would like further info.

All Toaster and Toaster accessories and system components are available as
well.


First, off I'd say that the impact if right before your eyes! 8-) That we are
even discussing this is a major impact in and of itself. Further, the early
church bears testimony to the impact.

Of course they knew where it was. Don't forget that Jesus was seen by both
the Jews and the Romans as a troublemaker. Pilate was no fool and didn't
need the additional headaches of some fishermen stealing Jesus' body to
make it appear He had arisen. Since Jesus was buried in the grave of a
man well know to the Sanhedrin, to say that they didn't know where He was
buried begs the question.

Now, you say that you think that the disciples stole the body. But think on
this a moment. Would you die to maintain something you KNEW to be a
deliberate lie!? If not, then why do you think the disciples would!? Now, I'm
not talking about dying for something you firmly believe to be the truth,
but unbeknown to you, it is a lie. Many have done this. No, I'm talking about
dying, by beheading, stoning, crucifixion, etc., for something you know to
be a lie! Thus, you position with regards to the disciples stealing the
body seems rather lightweight to me.

As for graverobbers, why risk the severe penalties for grave robbing over
the body of Jesus? He wasn't buried with great riches. So, again, this is
an argument that can be discounted.

That leaves you back on square one. What happened to the body!?

IHL, Gene

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     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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I have been for a fairly hard run in an MX5, what they lack in power they
surely make up for in handling.  Great for back streets with heaps of corners.
They are a fairly light car with a low center of gravity and a quite free
revving DOHC engine, a fun car.  Have you driven a TURBO converted
MX5?  Now they are starting to perform!  I've often thought a Mazda rotary
would go well in the XM5 too....anyone done it?

Regards Scott.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Scott Fisher [scott@psy.uwa.oz.au]  PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3272).
                                                             _--_|\       N
Department of Psychology                                    /      \    W + E
University of Western Australia.      Perth [32S, 116E]-->  *_.--._/      S
Nedlands, 6009.  PERTH, W.A.                                      v

Joy is a Jaguar XJ6 with a flat battery, a blown oil seal and an unsympathetic
wife, 9km outside of a small remote town, 3:15am on a cold wet winters morning.


I don't remember the figures EXACTLY, but there were about 3500 deaths in Texas
in 1991 that was caused by guns.....
This is more than those beeing killed in car-ACCIDENTS!
(Yes, there could be that low sentences or high poverty could influence the
figures but they're still *pretty* high right??)
I also believe Texas has some of the most liberal 'gun-laws' in USA......

*I* should not suffer because of others....
We all agree on this one, BUT we also live in a sociaty and therefor
we'll have to give up *SOME* of our 'freedom' (Note the '').

Do you have an insurance??
Then you'll have to pay because of what others do...

Do you buy anything??
YOU are paying for those who return goods, steal or even those who gets a bonus...

Do you live with other people??
Then you 'can't' do ererything you'd want (burping/farting playing music LOUD)

-What the hell is he trying to say ??
When you live in a society (USA are stilll counted as one...) you
have to saccrifice.
The question is HOW MUCH.

One state (don't remember which, Texas??) tried to impose a rule that you could
only buy ONE gun each MONTH. Think you all know what happened.....

I respect the right to defend yourself, but that right should not inflict on
other people.

It seems like you all realize that you have a problem in America, the only
problem is
that you won't take the car away from the drunk driver, you hope to cure him
first.

Hope life comfirms to the standard of Winnie the Poh.

	This is not a .signature.
	It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith
	and to bring down the evil Internet.


Oh, *really*???

I know that when working in Alberta, Ontario and Quebec, I was aware
that I was paying for health insurance - e.g., in Toronto, OHIP fees
were listed seperately on my pay stub.

While I'm not the only Canadian who favours lower taxes and cutbacks
in spending, health insurance isn't on the table.  See our polls ...
A better one might be the July 1st polls conducted for Macleans (our
major English newsmagazine) by Decima Research ... Decima president
Allen Gregg is considered one of the world's top poll researchers,
and Mulroney's Conservatives have relied on him to keep in power in
the face of impossible election situations.  I haven't had a chance
to see this year's version due to our library, but previous ones
before the Americans started their assault and disinformation had
shown satisfaction at 97% and switching to an American all-private
system had support within statistical noise.  The Decima polls are
considered definitive.  Even the new Reform Party, a breakoff of
traditionalists from the Conservatives with a mildly "libertarian"
faction, hold our public health insurance as an untouchable but that
just a few people have to be reminded that it's not free (the average
Canadian/European is more fiscally naive than their American
counterparts on issues like these).

Personally, I feel that the universal health insurance approach used
in Canada, France and Germany -- paying to private health providers in
a nominally free market not unlike America's, minus HMO's -- depends a
lot on values in those societies different from the U.S.  The basic
health needs for life are not viewed as market, but the insurance does
allow the market to address that -- basic health care is not viewed on
the level of ownership of a VCR as Americans would see it.  Plenty of
room is left for expenditure of private funds as extra insurance or as

Please explain this one, hopefully in a way that Canadian readers
besides myself can understand and concur ...

gld


Now available: xvertext 4.0
--------------

Summary
-------
xvertext provides you with four functions to draw strings at any angle in
an X window (previous versions were limited to vertical text). Rotation
is still achieved using XImages, but the notion of rotating a whole font
first has been dropped.

What's new?
-----------
I've added a cache which keeps a copy of previously rotated strings - thus
speeding up redraws.

Where can I get it?
-------------------
comp.sources.x (soon...)
export.lcs.mit.edu : contrib/xvertext.4.0.shar.Z  (now)


  I think you will find that the active Linux and 386BSD communities are
  populated by enthusiasts who would object to paying *any* money for software.
  Otherwise, they would probably have gone for a commercial Unix.
  An important factor in the Linux community is that source code is always
  available (this is probably similar in the 386BSD community, however, I'm not
  really involved there). Many people using Linux like to stay at the cutting
  (bleeding) edge: ie. when kernel patches, C library or compiler patches come
  out, people like to rebuild their entire systems. The prime requirement for
  all Linux software is that it is available under a GNU style public license.
  Hence, Linux software uses either the Athena widgets or XView.
  Individuals may write software requiring Motif, but I doubt it is widely
  adopted.

				Regards,


---------------------------
The federal government has used such laws to allow mutliple charges in
order to prevent more crimes than would nromally occur just from two people
being pissed off at each other. The federal government has an interest in
the intent of the perpetrators in the pursuit of preventing violations of
civil rights. It's the way they broke the back of the Klan, by putting a
lot of people away for a very long time for harrassing blacks specifically.
It is a principle that has been well recognized as constitutionally valid
since over 100 years ago. It has been used whenever a select group was
getting bashed or harrassed more than any other person would just for being
part of a minority. It is the only way we made the defeat of the south
stick after the Civil War. People who harrassed free blacks, when normally
they wouldn't find themselves harrassing just anyone walking around were
expeditiously tried and jailed for 5 to 8 years until nobody wanted to try
it anymore. Now with the 14th amendment guarantee of equal protection under
the law, the law can use multiple crime and severe penalty involving intent
as much as is needed to protect even one human that is a hated minority to
somebody. They can call out the national guard just for them, as they did
the school girls in Alabama during desegregation in the 1950's, and the
president can nationalize the state militia and turn the guns of the
militia that were being used to bar blacks right around to point at the
thousands in the crowd with an order to shoot that they would have to obey
or face possible death by firing squad under the Uniform Code of Military
Justice for failing to obey a direct order while under arms! And by god,
they did! Those southern boys turned right around an fixed bayonets! And
the governor was left standing and was arrested by the federal marshalls
that had brought the order to nationalize the guard. And that's why we need
such an ability in federal jurisdiction.
-RSW


MIGHTY ONES GET MIGHTIER:

TPS, the Finnish Champions 1992/3, are getting still stronger!

I just heard some news, according to which TPS has acquired
the next Finnish hockey superstar(??) Jere Lehtinen from Kiekko-Espoo!

There are also some rumours about Erik Kakko (Reipas) and Marko Jantunen
(KalPa) being traded to TPS. Both of this players are currently on the
Finnish olympic team. I think that Jantunen is drafted to the NHL, too.

BTW. Is Juha Yl|nen (centre, HPK) drafted by the Jets?? During last year
he has reached the top level among Finnish centres. He had very good
playoff games against TPS!

  Hannu


There is a certain truth to this statement. Only I would use the word
"medicine" instead of drug.  With regard to the condition of the human
soul, Christianity is first and foremost a healing medicine.  It also
strengthens and enables one, as healing takes hold, to grow in new
strength and health to live and be and to do that for which God created
us.

Christ's medicine, rightly allowed to work, brings one nearer to
reality and offers the clarity of understanding and the strength
of spirit with which to meet it in a healthy human way.

(small spelling correction added)


Does anyone recieve annoying email from Roger Maynard whenever they post an
article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group??
These emails are filled with insults- more than are usual in Roger's posts
and have little if any hockey info.
I have recieved two in the last 2 days.
I am just wondering if I am special or Roger trys to bully everyone who
disagrees with him.

Gregmeister

Obligatory hockey comment:


Could someone please give me some info regarding the USR Sportsters that have
recently dropped below $200? I was going to buy a used Courier v32bis external
without fax for $200 but now I see the Sportster with Fax is selling below
$200 brand new! Are these good modems? What warranty do they carry?

Any info very much appreciated.

Kevin


   >>I'm surprised that you don't consider the acquisition of land by
   >>the Jews from arabs, for the purpose of establishing an exclusive
   >>state, as a hostile action leading to war.

Could you please tell me what was the ethnic composition of
Israel right after it was formed.

No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity.
Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about
anti-trust in the business world.

Since we are debating the legality of a commercial
transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines
and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says
that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of
investing, you can not acquire a large number of those
shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so
only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly,
the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some
designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate.
They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews.

The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the
old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic /
multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours
was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair
market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of
an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist
myself, but this one is hard to dismiss).

Again Adam, the devil is in the details. I don't want to get
on a tangent here but its the same reasonning that says its
OK to return 100 deportes and leave the rest. Because 100 is
a nice number that you can devide by 10, 100 and besides, it
has an integer square root.

Do you actually believe this? My experience tells me that
every palestinian I knew still keeps the key to his home, in
Palestine. Besides they often refer to their exodus as an
escape from hell (so to speak). I know none that agrees with
you. Did you sample their opinions? I know you don't care,
just being rethorical.

Don't get me wrong. I beleive that Israel is democratic
within the constraints of one dominant ethnic group (Jews).
Israel probably had a few options after 1948: ethnic
cleansing Serbian style, and deserve the wrath of the
international community, or make the best out of a no win
condition: show the world how good Israel is towards the
'bad' arabs. Personaly, I've never heard anything about the
arab community in Isreal. Except that they're there.  So
yes, they're there. But as a community with history and
roots, its dead.

I stand corrected. I meant that the jewish culture was not
predominant in Palestine in recent history. I have no
problem with Jerusalem having a jewish character if it were
predominantly Jewish. So there. what to make of the rest
Palestine?

--
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Hi Xperts!
   I have a Sparc-1 with very limited disk space on /usr partition.
   previously, i was able to run all x-windows applications  and then
   i upgraded my system to sun o.s. 4.1.3 and realized that , the hard
disk did not have enough space to load openwindows. My immediate alternative
was to load only the neccessary files to boot the system. This resulted in
not loading openwindows. As a result of which none of the X-libraries got loaded.

   I am trying to load just the libraries and include files and bin/X11 files
required for running X-windows and compiling my programs written for Xlib and Xaw.
In a desperate effort to regain x-windows, i retrieved /usr/lib/libX*.* files from
the tape . /usr/bin/X11/*  and /usr/include/X11/* . Is this enough for running X-windows

 BUt i did not get /usr/lib/X11/fonts/  sub directories . these are mainly 100dpi, 75dpi
 and misc.

when i run xinit, the error message says /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi etc are not in the
default path. But the problem is i cannot load any of those directories as there is no
disk space.
Are there any temporary suggestions before I get a 1.5 GB disk and load openwindows , to
just have my x-windows running.

Thanks

Pramod


Are you volunteering? :)

Will NASA have "available landing sites" in the Russian Republic, now that they
are Our Friends and Comrades?


	ahh, yes, this is a fun topic.  No, once the name is incribed on the
disk, that is it, it is encoded.  Not even a HEX editor will find it.  You can
write over the "Licensed to:", but you can't change the name underneth it.  I
think if you wish to change this you would have to be a pirate, and we're not
going to promote that here.

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  | Robert S. Dubinski |  Aliases include:  Robb, Regal, Sir, Mr., and I |
  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Marquette University ||||||||||| Math / Computer Science Double-Major|
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  | Internet Address: 2A42Dubinski.vms.csd.mu.edu  |	Milwaukee, WI    |


The following postscript works for LaserWriter IIg's with version 2 roms

%!
0 serverdict begin exitserver
<< /FactoryDefaults true >> setsystemparams
systemdict begin
realtime 10000 add
{ dup realtime le { pop exit } if } loop
quit


The following flyer was distributed at AIPAC's 34th annual Policy Conference:


   I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
   This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
   (read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty,
   fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).

Communication:  work out your own system.  Or just slow down and holler
back every once in a while.  At reasonable speeds, even on my under-muffled
Magna, we can hear each other.  It's only above, say, 45 MPH that you
can't really communicate.

Balance: New passengers are a real pain, because you never know how
they're going to react to steering.  Some people catch on immediately
and lean with me.  Others are completely skittish about the leaning
thing, and keep their bodies perpendicular to the horizon.  This is a
pain while turning, but manageable.  The WORST are the passengers who stay
perpendicular to the horizon, then REMEMBER in the middle of a turn
and WHIP AROUND until they're in the `correct' position.  This always
screws up the line I've picked out.

Here's my personal checklist of things to tell passengers:
	- attire: helmet, long pants, boots/heavy shoes, jacket.
	- Keep feet on pegs at all times, unless I say otherwise.  Do not
	  get on/off unless I say you can.  (I've had people try to dismount
	  in traffic, just as I'm pulling in to a parking space!)
	- Muffler gets HOT! ('Nuff said)
	- We get *GOOD* traction.  We're not going to fall over.  (Many
	  first-time riders are surprised by how tightly you can turn!)
	- Turn dynamics:  sit so that you feel like you're sitting upright and
	  we're going straight.  Trust your butt, not your eyes -- if you're
	  confused, close your eyes for a couple of turns to get the feel
	  of it.  Or just hug me tight.
	- Please, no sudden moves -- shift your weight as desired, but be
	  gradual, so I can compensate.
	- Your faceplate is yours to open/close as desired.
	- Trust is essential.  Trust the driver (me) to do the right
	  thing -- I've driven many miles on this thing, and know how
	  to operate it.  Enjoy the ride.  (This is important to
	  stress.  For example, one of my first-time passwngers seemed to
	  watch the speedo like a hawk:  I drove her to the beach down 84,
	  and whever we topped 35 mph, she'd holler, "SLOW DOWN! I'M SCARED"
	  I humored her for a while, then simply covered the speedometer with
	  the spare piece of duct tape I keep stuck to the top of the cluster.
	  Problem solved:  she watched the scenery instead of the
	  instruments, and had a much better time.  Based on her
	  experience driving a Lincoln Continental, she was unwilling to
	  trust my ability to choose a safe speed for the bike.)

Usually I'll point out the controls, engine, transmission, brakes,
tires, etc. and discuss motorcycle physics a bit too for first-timers.
Helps calm their nerves, and gives the bike a chance to warm up.

Watch out for gravel on the Mt. Hamilton road:  there were lots of little
mudslides after the last big rain; by now, many of the blind corners will
be nicely covered with a carpet of little, round, nearly invisible stones.
It doesn't help build trust when you slide out on a blind corner, on the
first trip!

Good luck -- have fun!


A bit more than a year ago, a hernia in my right groin was
discovered.  It had produced a dull pain in that area.  The hernia
was repaired using the least intrusive (orthoscopic?) method and a
"plug and patch".

The doctor considered the procedure a success.

A few months later the same pain returned.  The doctor said that
he could find nothing wrong in the area of the hernia repair.

Now the pain occurs more often.  My GP couldn't identify any
specific problem.  The surgen who performed the original procedure
now says that yes there is a "new" hernia in the same area and he
said that he has to cut into the area for the repair this time.

My question to the net:  Is there a nonintrusive method to
determine if in fact there is a hernia or if the pain is from
something else?


Yea, it turned out that Gramm-Rudman was a sham to fool the voters
into accepting the borrow-and-spend policies of the last 12 years.

					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Anyone can expand the economy by chargeing $3 trillion on their credit
cards.   Big deal.  Deficit spending only expands the economy in the short
term.  In the long term it shrinks the economy for numerous reasons. I would
have MUCH preferred that the taxpayers had that $3 trillion instead.

If Reagan had kept his campaign PROMISE to balance the budget by 1983,
there would have been no need for Bush or Clinton to raise taxes.  And
all Reagan had to do was balance that puny Carter deficit.

Chew on that awhile.


From time to time I have made reference to a book called "The Two Babylons"
which is a book written by Alexander Hislop (mid 1800's) about the Babylonian
mystery religion and its flight through history.  I was unable to put it down
the first time I read it, but others have found it dry.  It has numberable
references and illustrations.  If you are interested in purchasing your own
copy, you can call Moody Book Store @ (312)329-4352 and order it for $16.99 and
they will ship it to you.
  It is a good book just to get the reference titles for your own digs into the
mystery religions.  I have found it invaluable for that purpose alone.  But for
those who only want to skim the subject, it comes highly recommended.
  Just a note to my RC brothers and sisters.  You may find this to be a
diatribe or you may find it to be a test to the origin and true nature of the
origin of RCism.  If you are offended by anything that asks hard questions
about your denomination (as to whether or not it is "Christian") then perhaps
you should just passover this offer.  To those who are a little more
adventurous, go for it and later, please contact me with you reasons pro or con
on the scholorship of this book.  I really would be interested.


[ Article crossposted from hp.windows ]
[ Author was Andy DeFaria ]
[ Posted on Mon, 19 Apr 1993 18:08:38 GMT ]

For some reason the following code causes my X application to beep whenever I
intercept a keystroke and change it's meaning.  The intent of this code it to
allow "date" fields the following special keys:

	[Tt]:	Insert today's date
	[+=]:	Bump day up by one
	[-_]:	Bump day down by one

I hardcoded some dates for this example.  Perhaps I shouldn't be using an
XmText field for this.

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//
// For some reason the following code beeps whenever any of the special keys
// of [Tt+=-_] are hit.  Why?  The idea of this code is to interpret these
// keys having the special meaning implied by the code.  I would like to get
// rid of the beeping but, as far as I can tell, I'm not doing the beep and
// am at a lose as to understanding who and why the beeping is occuring.
//
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
#include <X11/Intrinsic.h>
#include <Xm/Xm.h>
#include <Xm/RowColumn.h>
#include <Xm/MainW.h>
#include <Xm/Text.h>

Widget		toplevel;
Widget		mainWindow;
Widget		mainPane;
Widget		dateField;
XtAppContext	application;

void markToday (Widget date) {
   char *todaysDate = "04/19/93";
   XtVaSetValues (date, XmNvalue, todaysDate, NULL);
} // markToday

void markTomorrow (Widget date) {
   char *tomorrowsDate = "04/20/93";
   XtVaSetValues (date, XmNvalue, tomorrowsDate, NULL);
} // markTomorrow

void markYesterday (Widget date) {
   char *yesterdaysDate = "04/18/93";
   XtVaSetValues (date, XmNvalue, yesterdaysDate, NULL);
} // markYesterday

void datekeys (Widget          /* callingWidget */,
	       Widget          date,
	       XmTextVerifyPtr callbackData) {
   // Capture the keys [Tt-_+=] can change their behaviour.  If found
   // set "doit" to false so X won't interpret the keystroke.
   switch (callbackData->text->ptr [0]) {
      case 't': case 'T':
	 markToday (date);
	 callbackData->doit = FALSE;
	 return;
      case '-': case '_':
	 markYesterday (date);
	 callbackData->doit = FALSE;
	 return;
      case '+': case '=':
	 markTomorrow (date);
	 callbackData->doit = FALSE;
	 return;
      default:
	 return;
   } // switch
} // datekeys

void main (Cardinal argc, char *argv []) {
   // Initialize Xt
   toplevel = XtVaAppInitialize (&application, "Application", NULL, 0,
				 &argc, argv, NULL, NULL);

   // Create the toolface
   mainWindow = XtVaCreateManagedWidget
      ("mainWindow", xmMainWindowWidgetClass, toplevel, NULL);

   // Create a mainWindow
   mainPane = XtVaCreateManagedWidget
      ("mainPane", xmRowColumnWidgetClass, mainWindow, NULL);

   // Create a small text area
   dateField = XtVaCreateManagedWidget
      ("dateField", xmTextWidgetClass, mainPane,
       XmNtopAttachment,	XmATTACH_FORM,
       XmNrightAttachment,	XmATTACH_FORM,
       XmNcolumns,		8,
       NULL);

   // Set modifyVerifyCallback to the datekeys callback
   XtAddCallback (dateField, XmNmodifyVerifyCallback,
		  (XtCallbackProc) datekeys, (XtPointer) dateField);

   // Realize the toplevel
   XtRealizeWidget (toplevel);

   // Go into the XtMainLoop
   XtAppMainLoop (application);
} // main

_______________________________________________________________________________
I swear by my life and the love of it that I will    | Andrew DeFaria
never live for the sake of another man nor ask       | Hewlett Packard
another man to live for mine.                        | California Language Labs
                    John Galt                        | defaria@cup.hp.com
_______________________________________________________________________________


For some reason the name Grayhill springs to mind -- saw something
like that in a Grayhill catalog, along with options for custom printed
overlays and a neat little electroluuminescent backing that would make
the whole shebang glow a nice shade of green ..

mighty handy if you're trying to key a door combination in the dark
and don't want to TURN ON THE &%#$!! LIGHT ..


Do you realize how many smiles are crossing faces after you wrote that?
(-;

gld


I am looking for a monitor 17" or larger that could do 1024x748
	with and 8514/A card (PS2/70)

	I guess I would prefere 19" and MONO (later becuase of lower price)

	Please email me the brand, model, condition and asking price...


Yes! what you are saying is absolutey true, but what you fail to mention is the
fact that the LCIII uses the new 72 pin simms which allow 32 bit access to
each simm. In the case of the LC III, it only has one simm slot, but accesses will
be 32 bits wides.
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I would like to know what people's opinions are about the
"real world" differences are between a C650 with and without
a coprocessor...

I don't use anything like Mathamatica, Maple, etc. I don't use
Spreadsheets (at least no sheets with complicated anything), I
don't use 3D CAD apps (although I used to),

I DO:  use 3D renderers, EXTENSIVE communications, I run a BBS,
I write software, I write papers, etc...

BTW, just for kicks, this is what I was told by my local Apple
Rep about upgrading a 68LC040 to a 69RC040 on a C650:
"Well, Apple built in an extra socket for the coprocessor chip.
 That way, you just plug in the coprocessor, and it works."
I then heartily laughed and hung up the phone.

thanks,

-nate


<<I wrote>
<Is there a resource available to the consumer comparing all of the makes
<and models of automobiles, trucks, vans, etc. for survivability in a
<crash of different severities?
<...
<Also, I've found very little objective data comparing different
<vehicles for handling, pick-up, braking, expected maintenance, etc.
<I recall years ago Consumer Reports annual buyer's guide was much more
<informative in those aspects than it is now.

Thanks to a reply from someone I looked a little further and found what
I was looking for.  The April CR magazine has most of the above things.
Despite recent articles here the ratings looked pretty good for
relative comparison purposes.  Unfortunately the crash test comparisons
didn't include half of the cars I'm comparing.
Anybody know how '93 Honda Civic hatchbacks and Toyota Tercels fare in
an accident?


Dear Defiant (or Unfaithful or Pixie):

I will take up the challenge to reply, as I am a theist.

The foundation for faith in God is reason, without which the existence
of God could not be proven.  That His existence can be proven by reason
is indisputable (cf. my short treatise, "Traditional Proofs for the
Existence of God," and Summa Theologica).

Now, given that God exists, and that His existence can be proven by reason,
I assert that His commands must be followed blindly, although in our fallen
condition we must always have some measure of doubt about our faith.  Why?

Because God is the First Cause of all things, the First Mover of matter,
the Independent Thing that requires nothing else for its existence, the
Measure of all that is perfect, and the essential Being who gives order
to the universe (logos).

I next assert that God is all good.  If this is so, then that which is
contrary to the will of God is evil; i.e., the absence of the good.  And,
since God can never contradict Himself, then by His promise of a Savior
as early as the Protoevangelium of Genesis 3:5, God instructs that because
a human (Adam) was first responsible for man's alienation from the Source
of all good, a man would be required to act to restore the friendship.
Thus God became incarnate in the person of the Messiah.

Now this Messiah claimed that He is the Truth (John 14:6).  If this claim
is true, then we are bound by reason to follow Him, who is truth incarnate.

You next seem to have a problem with authority.  Have you tried the United
States Marine Corps yet?  I can tell you first-hand that it is an excellent
instructor in authority.  If you have not yet had the privilege, I will
reply that the authority which is Truth Incarnate may never be questioned,
and thus must be followed blindly.  One may NOT deny the truth.  For
example, when the proverbial apple fell on Isaac Newton's head, he could
have denied that it happened, but he did not.  The laws of physics must
be obeyed whether a human likes them or not.  They are true.

Therefore, the Authority which is Truth may not be denied.

QED

--
boundary


Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5
 million Muslim people)

p. 19 (first paragraph)

"The Tartar section of the town no longer existed, except as a pile of
 ruins. It had been destroyed and its inhabitants slaughtered. The same
 fate befell the Tartar section of Khankandi."

p. 22 (second paragraph)

"Many of our men had served in the Russian Army, and were trained soldiers.
 We Armenians were rich and possessed arms. Tartars had never received
 military training. They were poor, and possessed few arms beyond knives.
 Shortly after the killing of the Tartars in our village, the revolution
 in Russia was suppressed."

Serdar Argic


Hello, I have a motherboard and a case for sale as a package.
Both of them came from a CompuAdd computer I bought last August and am
  presently upgrading.
Here are the specs--

Motherboard
-----------
Cyrix 486SL 25 MHz microprocessor
Chips and Technology chipset (SCATsx V2.3.6 SLSLC)
8 SIMM banks for a maximum of 32 Megs of RAM
BUILT-IN Floppy and Hard Drive Controllers
BUILT-IN ports--1 Parallel, 2 Serial (9 and 25 pin)
BUILT-IN Paradise SVGA controller with 1 meg of RAM (Windows drivers inc.)
   -can do up to 1024x768 @ 256 colors
   -based on the Western Digital WD90C31 chip
Math co-processor slot
3 16-bit expansion slots and 2 8-bit expansion slots

Case
----
Low-Profile Desktop
Very nice grey color
150 watt power supply
Room for 2 floppies plus HD

Mouse
-----
3-button
Microsoft-compatible
Grey color matches case

All original manuals and documentation, video drivers, etc. are included.

You are probably wondering why I must sell the case with the motherboard.
It is simply because the case is custom-made for this particular board and
  you would be hard-pressed to fit another MB in it.  However, the case and
  this motherboard were made to go together and fit perfectly.

As you can see, since this board includes drive controllers AND a video
  controller, you can save some money by buying this unit and not a MB
  where you would need to get IO cards, video card, and drive controllers
  Its just a lot more convenient on the whole

I would like to ask about $500 for this whole package.  I think this is a fair
  price given the facts that it includes a video card and drive controllers/IO
  ports.  All you need to do is add drives, a monitor, RAM, and a keyboard.
  Also keep in mind that it isn't a generic board, but from CompuAdd.
I also will entertain all serious offers.

Please email at jmu@acpub.duke.edu

Thanks


You're right ... I'm sick of seeing all those white guys on skates
myself ... the Vancouver Canucks should be half women, and overall
one-third Oriental.

(-; (-; (-; (-; (-; (-;

And I'll gladly volunteer myself for the overage draft. (-;

gld


I would like to add my support for a misc.taoism discussion group.
I applaud the enthusiam shown by the person posting <79899@cup.portal.com>
"Thyagi@cup.portal.com" (I read in alt.magick), but I differ
with him/her in believing that at least some minimal parameters
should be agreed upon.

But if we don't limit it to *something*, the discussion degenerates into
a big amorphous glob.

Other questions Thyagi proposes are:

It seems to me that these questions more properly fall into the
category of "general metaphysics". I would prefer any misc.taoism
to deal more closely with topics and works more closely associated
with at least "semi-orthodox" Taoism: with established classic works
definitely included and works like Mantak Chia's argued about!

I think "neo-Taoism" should be excluded or get its own group (what I
mean by this is "Humpty-Dumpty Taoism", in which Taoism means whatever
a poster says it means.) This "alt.taoism" could also be a refuge
for debates about what "Taoism *REALLY* means" or speculations on sexual
alchemy, etc..

e.g. (from Thyagi again):

Kent gloomily predicts (quoting from Thyagi's article):

I think that discussions of this nature are not completely out of
place. What's happening is that that the term "Taoism" is becoming
completely polluted and trivialized like the words "magic", "Alchemy",
"Zen," etc., by writers appropriating the word to mean whatever they
want. This is seen by the spate of new age books entitled "The
Tao of" this, that, and everything else. (With respect to some exceptions
like the books by Jou, Tsung-Hwa.)

Any other comments/ideas? I look forward to seeing them. On balance,
I say let misc.taoism rip and let the chips fall where they may. If
it just gets filled up with college freshmen asking about the
Tao of Sex then it will have been a failure and people will post to
these groups just as they do now.

--


:
:    Oh yeah, I just read in another newsgroup that the T560i uses a
:    high quality Trinitron tube than is in most monitors.(the Sony
:    1604S for example) and this is where the extra cost comes from.  It
:    is also where the high bandwidth comes from, and the fantastic
:    image, and the large image size, etc, etc...
:
: It's also where the two annoying lines across the screen (one a third
: down, the other two thirds down) come from.
:

The 2 lines are not a result of the high end trinitron tube, these
2 wires will be found on all 17" trinitron tubes (e.g., Mitsubishi 17",
Sony 1604, etc).  On 14" Sony tubes, you'll find one wire.

Their level of annoyance is purely subjective.  I'm so happy with the
sharpness of the T560i that I don't even notice the lines.

The T560i uses a Trinitron SA tube which, when viewed as a complete tube,
has a larger diameter than the standard Trinitron tube.  This results in
a flatter screen than other 17" monitors using the standard trinitron
(which has a vertically flat but not horizontally flat surface), and
apparently the ability to provide a tighter beam focus.


I just got a Quadra 800 8/230 and I've noticed that I can't change the
desktop color from the beautiful gray.  I thought maybe I should reinstall
the OS using the "Install Me First, Macintosh Centris, Quadra..." diskette
because the system file on this diskette is more recent than the one on the
hard disk.

The easy install selects "Macintosh Cnetris System Software".  Does anyone
know if I should use this or customize and use "System Software for any
Macintosh"?  Or does it matter?

THANKS in advance for any suggestions...


Tektronix 453 scope for sale:

  - 50MHz bandwidth
  - portable (NOT one of the 5xx series boatanchors! :^)
  - delayed sweep
  - works fine
  - I don't have the manual (they are available from various places)
  - no probes

  - $275 + shipping

Email me for more info...

Regards,
Keith


Yes, worshipping Jesus as the super-saver is indeed hero-worshipping
of the grand scale. Worshipping Lenin that will make life pleasant
for the working people is, eh, somehow similar, or what.

The notion of Lenin was on the borderline of supernatural insights
into how to change the world, he wasn't a communist God, but he was
the man who gave presents to kids during Christmas.

Don't know what they were, but they were fanatics indeed.

Cheers,
Kent


After having OpenWindows
(Version 3 for SunOS 4.1) or Xwindows
running continuously on my machine for 3-4 days,
the following message appears  when trying to open
a new window, or to run any program that needs to open windows.

XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: :0.0 (Server
package)

I would greatly appreciate any suggestions to solve this problem.


Hi!

Sorry, it's german, but I hope you understand it.

Uebertragung der Schaltplan-Daten (*.SCH) in die Board-Daten
(*.JOB):

PADS-LOGIC:
         In/Out
         Reports
         Net List
         Select      PADS-PCB
Net List Output file name
         -> filename angeben

PADS-PCB:
         In/Out
         Ascii In
Ascii input file name
         -> filename angeben
Errors aoutput file name
         -> filename angeben, nicht CR

Jetzt sind alle Bauteile auf einem Haufen und muessen mit Move
verteilt werden.

Viele Gruesse


Vida> Can one develop inner-ear problems from too much flying?  I hear
Vida> that pilots and steward/esses have a limit as to the maximum
Vida> number of flying hours -- what are these limits?  What are the
Vida> main problems associated with too many long-haul (over 4 hours)
Vida> trips?

The crew rest requirements are to prevent undue fatigue.  The cockpit
crew (pilot) limits are somewhat more stringent than the cabin crew
limits for this reason.  Crew rest requirements address amount of time
on duty plus rest time.  A tired crew is an accident-prone crew.

The only limits I know of for inner-ear problems are in military
aircraft, which are frequently unpressurized or less reliably
pressurized.  Not being able to clear the ears renders aircrew members
DNIF (duties not involving flying) or grounded until the ears clear.

Flying can accentuate problems if ears don't clear.  If you don't have
big pressure changes, you may not know that you've got a problem.  But
if you zip up to 5,000 or 6,000 ft (the usual cabin altitude in an
airliner) and then back down to sea level, you may discover a problem.
Ears don't clear readily because of allergies, colds, infections, and
anatomical problems.  The last won't change; the first three can.
Medication (decongestants or antihistimines, usually) can help.
Chewing gum, sucking hard candy (or a bottle for babies),
yawning--these will help all four causes.


I thought that was Sandy Koufax.


One interpretation I've heard of this verse is that it refers to the sin
of physically abusing one's wife.  The husband is usually physically
stronger than his wife but is not permitted to use this to dominate her.
He must honor her as his sister in Christ.  This would therefore be an
example of a specific sin that blocks prayer.

This verse also makes me think of the kind of husband who decides what
is God's will for his family without consulting his wife.  God reveals
His will to both the husband and the wife.  There needs to be some
degree of mutuality in decision making.  Even those whose understanding
of the Bible leads to a belief in an authoritarian headship of the
husband need to incorporate this in order to have a functional family.
One way to look at it is that God speaks to the wife through the husband
and to the husband through the wife.


I would like to find out about space engineering employment and educational
opportunities in the Tucson, Arizona area.  E-mail responses appreciated.
My mail feed is intermittent, so please try one or all of these addresses.


If you want to see environmental disasters, go to eastern Europe or some
parts of the FSU (former Soviet Union).  This is because they had no
environmental protection laws and were trying to increase productivity
at any expense to justify their political systems.  Luckily for us, some
of our politicians with vision passed some environmental laws.  That
isn't to say that they shouldn't be modified, but all I ever hear from
you is that the environmental laws were dreamed up by a bunch of
left-wing tree-huggers intent on putting us back on horseback.  Yes,
there are some of those, but a lot of us simply want to procede with
caution.

--
John Viveiros     (jviv@chevron.com)
Chevron USA        Standard disclaimer applies
Midland TX
--
               NetNews userid for nntpserver.chevron.com


(Deletion)

Read a history book, Fred. And tell me why so many religions command to
commit genocide when it has got nothing to do with religion. Or why so many
religions say that not living up to the standards of the religion is worse
than dieing? Coincidence, I assume. Or ist part of the absolute morality
you describe so often?


That's closer, but I dislike "apps".  "software" (vs. "hardware")
would be better.  Would that engulf alt.graphics.pixutils?  Or would
that be "programmer"?

I don't know if traffic is really heavy enough to warrant a newsgroup
split.  Look how busy comp.graphics.research is (not).

It's true that a lot of the traffic here is rehashing FAQs and
discussing things that would probably be better diverted to
system-specific groups, but I don't know whether a split would help
or hurt that cause.

Maybe we need a comp.graphics.RTFB for all those people who can't be
bothered to read the fine books out there.  Right, Dr. Rogers? :-)


The observation that the Tree of Life would rotate clockwise in the
northern hemisphere and counterclockwise in the southern probably doesn't
give enough consideration to the feebleness of the Coriolis force compared
to, say, the phototropism of vegetation.  A much more likely explanation
is the classic one: that the clockwise swastika is the Sun-wheel, because
the sun progresses across the sky that way.  (Although that's not the
historical way it happened; clocks were first made as little imitation
images of the sun moving thru the heavens.  So it's more valid to talk of
the clock going sunwise, but do the engineers listen to me?  Of course
not.)  Anyway, there is still much uncertainty about whether the
anti-swastika goes counter-sunwise because that represents Evil, or
because it is the Sun's twin-opposite, the Moonwheel.  The use of anti-Sun
to represent Evil may be because humans are so strongly visually-oriented,
but I'm not going to try to settle THAT one just now.
-- Diccon Frankborn (dickeney@access.digex.com)


From article <0096B11B.08A283A0@vms.csd.mu.edu>, by 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu:

Try using the extended character set  (Alt-####  sequences) . .
look in Character Map in the Accessories group and see the alt-sequence
for the font you want!


If you want to live with someone, you can.
If you don't want to have a civil marriage, don't.
If you don't want to have a wedding in a church, don't.
If you want to call that a marriage, go right ahead.

I hope that the young people that are around you, don't follow your example.


Rawley Eastwick


After setting up Windows for using my Cirrus Logic 5426 VLB GraphicsCard
It moved a normal Window from one place to another.
My Parameters where just the following : 486 DX 33 VLB
The Card is equipped with 1 MB Dram (not Vram, there are 8 sockets for Vram)
And the moving of the window just looked like it looked at a friends
386DX 25 (387DX) and an normal ISA ET4000

What I was wondering why is it not using the BITBLT  Engine which
is suuposed to be on the Chip.

How are the experiences here..
Have I done something wrong ?
(I installed the MSWIN 3.1 MultiResolution drivers which where supplied
with the Card ?!)
Would be nice if somebody could tell about his experience with this card
Also if there are new(hopefully faster) drrivers around I would love to
how to get hold of them :-) (ftp or whatsoever :-) )


Request for opinions:

Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?

We're looking for more than "Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the
1-pc is better protection,..."


Anti Freeze

I was wrong, still had the issue of "Street Rodder" in
my last pile. In the February 1991 issue on page 24 there
is an advirtisement for anti freeze.

AND IT MAKES A GREAT PARTY MIXER
The Neo Synthetic Oil Company has a reputation for
developing overkill priducts the protect and extend
the life of mechinical things, and here is there latest
development. Propylene Glycol, probably the finest radiator
coolant available. After 100,000 miles of testing, they find
it has a boiling point of 365 degrees (much higher than
conventional coolants)- which helps elminate detonation and
pinging, it allows the use of smaller radiators in race cars,
it will not damage aluminum blocks or heads, and it is
environmentally safe. Yep, this is the good stuff.
Baker Precision Products
Dept SRM
2865 Gundry Ave
Long Beach Ca 90806
[213] 427-2375

I neither endorse or unendorse the above product, I only
copied the advert blurb for others info, YMMV