And he went out to meet Asa,
	And said unto him,
	Hear ye me, Asa,
	And all Judah and Benjamin;
	The LORD is with you, while ye be with him;
	and if ye seek him, he will be found of you;
	but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.


In case you haven't sent it yet, it's "Bentsen", not "Bensen".


 >This argument sounds very stupid.. if the ability to make guns from
 >"simple metalworking" was easy,  then Drug dealers would make their own
 >wouldn't they???.. why spend hundreds of dollars buying a gun that
 >somebody else made cheap and is selling it to you at an
 >exorbitant markup???... The simple truth of the matter is, that regardless
 >of how easy it is to make guns, banning guns will reduce the
 >the number of new guns and seriuosly impede the efforts of a
 >killer intent on buying a weapon....
 >To show why the tools argument is the silliest i have ever seen.. take an
 >analogy from computer science... almost every computer science major
 >can write a "wordprocessor" yet we(comp sci majors)  would willingly pay 3
 >to 400 bucks for a professional software like wordperfect... why don't we
 >just all write our own software???...... Because it is highly
 >inconvinient!!!..
 >Same with guns... secondly.. how does one get this gunpowder for the
 >"home made gun" ??? Take a quick trip to the local 7-eleven???.
 > If guns were really that simple to make... the Bosnian muslims would
 >be very happy people (or is it the case that metalworking tools are
 >banned in bosnia??? (deep sarcasm)  ).
 >
 >well this is my two cents..
 >   i will now resume reading all these ridiculus post from people
 >     who must make their living doing stand-up comedy.
** END OF FORWARDED MATERIAL **


Can one develop inner-ear problems from too much flying?  I hear that pilots
and steward/esses have a limit as to the maximum number of flying hours --
what are these limits?  What are the main problems associated with too many
long-haul (over 4 hours) trips?


is this really the dealer's cost?  did you get the dealer's cost by
looking at the invoice?  there may be factory to dealer incentives.
i'd check this out, since i have trouble believing that a dealer would
sell a car to me at his cost.

dealer invoice is not necessarily the dealer cost.


[why do babies get diseases, etc.]

 Here's the (main) problem. The scenario you outline is reasonably
consistent, but all the evidence that I am familiar with not only does
not support it, but indicates something far different. The Earth, by
latest estimates, is about 4.6 billion years old, and has had life for
about 3.5 billion of those years. Humans have only been around for (at
most) about 200,000 years. But, the fossil evidence inidcates that life
has been changing and evolving, and, in fact, disease-ridden, long before
there were people. (Yes, there are fossils that show signs of disease...
mostly bone disorders, of course, but there are some.) Heck, not just
fossil evidence, but what we've been able to glean from genetic study shows
that disease has been around for a long, long time. If human sin was what
brought about disease (at least, indirectly, though necessarily) then
how could it exist before humans?

[deletions]

 Uh... I know of many evolutionary biologists, who know more about
biology than you claim to, who will strongly disagree with this. There
is no evidence that the human genetic code (or any other) 'started off'
in perfect condition. It seems to adapt to its envionment, in a
collective sense. I'm really curious as to what you mean by 'the
degeneration of the genetic code'.

 Umm. Nah, we seem to do a pretty good job of adapting to viruses and
bacteria, and they to us. Only a very small percentage of microlife is
harmful to humans... and that small percentage seems to be reasonalby
constant in size, but the ranks keep changing. For example, bubonic
plague used to be a really nasty disease, I'm sure you'll agree. But
it still pops up from time to time, even today... and doesn't do as
much damage. Part of that is because of better sanitation, but even
when people get the disease, the symptoms tend to be less severe than in
the past. This seems to be partly because people who were very susceptible
died off long ago, and because the really nasty variants 'overgrazed',
(forgive the poor terminology, I'm an engineer, not a doctor! :-> ) and
died off for lack of nearby hosts.
 I could be wrong on this, but from what I gather acne is only a few
hundred years old, and used to be nastier, though no killer. It seems to
be getting less nasty w/age...

 Now, wait a minute. I have a question. Humans were created perfect, right?
And, you admit that we have an inbuilt abiliy to fight off disease. It
seems unlikely that Satan, who's making the diseases, would also gift
humans with the means to fight them off. Simpler to make the diseases less
lethal, if he wants survivors. As far as I can see, our immune systems,
imperfect though they may (presently?) be, must have been built into us
by God. I want to be clear on this: are you saying that God was planning
ahead for the time when Satan would be in charge by building an immune
system that was not, at the time of design, necessary? That is, God made
our immune systems ahead of time, knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and
their descendents would need to fight off diseases?

 Here's another puzzle. What, exactly, do you mean by 'perfect' in the
phrase, 'created... perfect and without flaw'? To my mind, a 'perfect'
system would be incapable of degrading over time. A 'perfect' system
that will, without constant intervention, become imperfect is *not* a
perfect system. At least, IMHO.
 Or is it that God did something like writing a masterpiece novel on a
bunch of gum wrappers held together with Elmer's glue? That is, the
original genetic 'instructions' were perfect, but were 'written' in
inferior materials that had to be carefully tended or would fall apart?
If so, why could God not have used better materials?
 Was God *incapable* of creating a system that could maintain itself,
of did It just choose not to?

[deletions]

 My main point, as I said, was that there really isn't any evidence for
the explanation you give. (At least, that I'm aware of.) But, I couldn't
help making a few nitpicks here and there. :->

Sincerely,


To all those out there wondering about who holds the record for three
homer games ina career, the answer is Johnny Mize in his career with the
Cards and the Yanks.  He hit three 6 times.  I am almost sure about this. In
case anyone is wondering, the record for two homer games is held by Babe
Ruth and is 72.  Mize's record may not last for much longer because of Juan
Gonzalez.  He has at least three games with three and maybe 4.  I know that
he had at least two last year and one as a rookie.  I don't have any record
books at college for me to check on though.  Please let me know, okay, if I
am wrong.
	Onto the Padres.  Is there anyone out there who follows them?- especial-ly those with access to local news?  I don't here anything in Los Angeles and I
can't get McPaper consistently around here.
comment:  It looks as though San Diego has gotten the better of the two deals
that brought Bell and Plantier to the Padres.  It has also forced the team to use Darrell Shermann.  Of course, Plantier could get injured again or he could
hit with the power of 91 but with a lower average.  Bell always could finish
with .240 and 15-18 hrs-essentially Jerald Clark's numbers.
leadoff comment:  Craig Shipley??????  I get on base 29% of the time if I'm
lucky at leadoff?  Hell, of the usual starters, use Gwynn.  He's got 4 steals
already.  Is Shipley starting because of an injury to Stillwell, though?  I
haven't seen Stillwell's name in any box scores.  Anyway unless you are going
to use Shermann at leadoff then use Gwynn.  He at lesat gets on base and this
year is stealing bases.
Sheffield comment:  Though the season is early and stats mean nothing.
Witness Phillips batting .500+ currently.  But does Sheffield have an injury,
or anythingelse wrong with him.  I just don't hear anything.
Andy Benes:  Is he pitching like he did in the second half of '91?   or is
this a flash of promise that he throws out evrey now and then?   Has anyone
seen him pitch the two good games?
score for today, Sunday april 18:  Padres 10, St Louis 6.  Padres sweep the
Cardinals as Gwynn goes 5 for 5 with a homer.  Sheffield and Tueful also homer
in a winning cause.
				Thanks for listening-reading
				any comments????


I have a chance to buy a used PS/2 Appletalk card to create a network with
my home machines.  However, the guy who has the card tells me there's a
DB-9 or DB-15 (can't remember now) on the back of the card, rather than
the 8-pin (or 4-pin) mini-din that I expect.  This sounds more like a
Thicknet ethernet card.  Should there be a transciever on it, like on the
Quadras?  What would be a reasonable price to expect to pay for one of
these cards, keeping in mind that it's Micro-Channel Architecture, which
means take your best guess and double it.
Email replies would be appreciated, to here or to rrr@ideas.com
Thanks.
[RICHR]


rubberized undercoating for this.

--
Von Welch (vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu)	NCSA Networking Development Group
'93 CBR600F2			'78 KZ650		'83 Subaru GL 4WD


I just found out about the sublinguals disappearing too.  I don't
know why.  Perhaps because they weren't as profitable as cafergot.
Too bad, since tablets are sometimes vomited up by migraine patients
and they don't do any good flushed down the toilet.  I suspect
we'll be moving those patients more and more to the DHE nasal
spray, which is far more effective.
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Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."


I second the boots... oil spots from cars are particularly
slippery when parking the bikes, and  good boots help here as
well.


Here's one I hope some knowledgeable readers will make a comment or
contribution to:

In the State of Virginia radar detectors are illegal, period.  If
you are caught with one it will be confiscated on the spot and will
not be returned until after you appear in court and pay your fine.
The fine for having a radar detector accessible in a motor vehicle
(even if it is not on) is $250.00.  Sorry, tourist, ignorance of
the law is no excuse - they will get you too!

It used to be that the only way the law could be enforced was for
an officer to actually see the radar detector.  Not any more!  Many
law enforcement agencies are now using radar detector detectors.
Right, a super sensitive receiver that is capable of picking up RF
from the radar detector itself.  My first reaction was "no way!"
But, guess again, these little buggers really work and the police
are writing citations right and left for people using radar
detectors.  One news story quoted an officer as saying that he had
found the radar detector in all of the cars he stopped except one,
and he could never figure out where it was - but he knew it was
there.  This tends to make one assume there are few false arrest.

Now, before I get flamed, please understand that I do drive at or
near the speed limit.  I do not need a radar detector to keep me
from getting a speeding ticket.  But, I do like to know when my
speed is being clocked or a speed trap is functioning.  My radar
detector now stays locked in my trunk when I am in Virginia (which
is what they want - and yes, what the law says, and I intend to
obey the law!) and is only used in states where it is legal.

For my fellow hams, I am not a microwave person - my mind only
works in the HF spectrum between 10 and 80 meters.  Microwave
enlightment may be necessary.

So, the questions are -
  What do the radar detector detectors actually detect?
  Would additional shielding/grounding/bypassing shield stray RF generated by
  a radar detector, or is the RF actually being emitted by the detector
  antenna?
  Are any brands "quieter" than others?


  That was the entire point to *you*.  What exactly did I claim?
     --------------------------------------------------
    "I've heard eye-witness descriptions of tanks using their main guns
  to respond to sniper fire.  Quite effectively."
     --------------------------------------------------

    I wasn't wrong . . . I've heard those descriptions.  If you're
  paying attention, I've mentioned that I saw the tanks with my own
  eyes, but the main gun firing was an account I heard.  That helps
  people judge whether or not to kick in the, to use your words,
  "bullshit filters".  Stating that I *claimed* this is a falsehood.

Later in the same post:
     Another part of my memories was that while most damaged building
  were burnt, some were in rubble.  Based on what I remember, I was and
  am inclined to believe an old sarge or two.

Fine, *now* you are stating that you believe their claims (or that you are
"inclined" to.  See below for a stronger statement of your beliefs).  Those
claims are still ludicrous, however.

Previously Awesley had written:
  You can also read of the troops using grenade launchers.

Prompting me to write:
  To fire fragmentary grenades?  I doubt that as well.  To fire concussion
  grenades?  Perhaps.  To fire tear gas?  Certainly.  But you would be
  perfectly willing to let us believe they fired frags, wouldn't you, since
  it makes your other claim seem more plausible.

To which Awesley replied:
  John, again, strawman techniques.  Do you feel you're losing it so you
  have to stretch what I said and knock that down?  What I read said
  nothing about what they fired.  And so I put nothing in there.  If you
  need some help, let me know and I'l take your side of this for a
  while.  You're not scoring here, you're boring here.

But why did you mention grenade launchers at all?  Because it supports the
notion that the tanks shelled buildings.  And it supports that notion
because it conjures images of troops launching fragmentary grenades.  But
that too is ludicrous.

  If tanks had fired their main guns in Detroit, people would have been
  screaming about it for the past two and half decades.  I would know about
  it.

Awesley relied:
     Glad to know you're such an expert.  Nice to hear some an
  authority.  I especially appreciate your basis of knowledge -- if it
  had happened, you would have know it.  Since you are such an
  authority, you probably know that people did scream about an alleged
  massive cover-up in the number of people killed in the Detroit riot.
  Some claimed 100+ dead, others said 300.  The offical number is 43 but
  the Concise Columbia Encyclopedia says it was "several".  I've also
  heard some things about that but I won't dare repeat them.  You'd
  assert that I claimed they were truth.

Yes, if it happened I would have heard about it.  Everybody would have.
Army tanks don't fire their cannons in American cities in the 1960's
without it becoming common knowledge, without minority leaders seizing on
it and condemning it over and over again, without civil libertarians saying
"this has gone far enough."  So, yes, my never hearing of it was the basis
for my disbelieving the claim.  Now I have more reasons to disbelieve it.
Not one poster has written to say, yes, I lived in Detroit at that time and
everybody knew that the tanks had fired shells.  This is the UseNet.  If it
had happened, somebody here would remember it.  Furthermore, your own
research failed to come up with any support for the claim.  The claim is
extraordinary and it has no supporting evidence, extraordinary or not.
Unless you count the brags of a couple of guardsmen shooting the shit.  I
do not.

  Unless you also claim that the National Guard managed to cover it up.

     Taking the tour after the riots, it was pretty easy to tell the
  difference between Army and Guard troops.  Or so I recall from 26
  years ago.  And I seem to recall it was the Army running the tanks.
  So it would have been an Army cover-up.

Quibble.  Fine, it was an Army cover-up.  Six years in the Reserves has
taught me the difference also.  But do you think that in two and half
decades not one guilt-ridden participant has come forward and said "yes, I
shelled Americans," or "I gave the orders to fire the cannons," or "I
helped cover it up"?

  If your mind is open enough to believe that, well, good for you.  I
prefer
  to live in reality.   And here in reality, I find it hard to believe that
  those tanks even had any shells, much less fired them.

Awesley replied:
    Given the level in destruction in Detroit, I'm quite willing to believe
  that they did fire their guns.

Good.  Then we can drop the junk about you not claiming that they did.
Your belief fails a basic reality check: why isn't it known?

Awesley concludes:
     Now then, we've bored the shit out of anyone whose bothered to read
  this far and all you've managed to say is that you don't believe the
  account I cited.

Actually, now we have established that I don't believe what you believe, as
well as why I don't believe it.  And if it's boring, then I yield the last
word to you, if you want it.  You may say anything you like with
impunity--I am dropping the subject.


Aryans who do not base their reasoning on Nazi ideology are racists...

Thus spoke an American citizen in the name of Judaism. If this is Judaism,
I think Judaism should be combatted as any extremist and dangerous
philosophy.

I suspect however that Martin Buber, Albert Einstein and other Jewish
scholars would have rather converted to Christianity than stay Jews, if
they would have perceived Judaism as such a perverted philosophy.


                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Your ignorance is obvious from your posting.

1) Cyprus was an INDEPENDENT country with Turkish/Greek inhabitants (NOT a
   Greek island like your ignorant posting claims)

2) The name should be Cyprus (in English)

next time read and learn before you post.


BBS number
510-226-2365


Quoting jgfoot@minerva.cis.yale.edu in article <1r3jgbINN35i@eli.CS.YALE.EDU>:


Apparently, my editor didn't do what I wanted it to do, so I'll try again.

i'm looking for any programs or code to do simple animation and/or
drawing using fractals in TurboPascal for an IBM
              Thanks in advance


Yes, I remember that now.  Well, in that case, the cones are indeed
color sensitive, contrary to what the original respondent had claimed.
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Did I once hear that in order for the date to advance, something, like a
clock, *has* to make a Get Date system call? Apparently, the clock
hardware interrupt and BIOS don't do this (date advance) automatically. The
Get Date call notices that a "midnight reset" flag has been set, and then
then advances the date.

Anybody with more info?


Archer> How about "Interactive Sex with Madonna"?

or "Sexium" for short.

/Lars


[deleted]

I can't speak for Mr. Cavano, but I understood his comment to refer to
the idea that unrecognized pantheism is dangerous to Christians.  If we
unthinkingly adopt pantheistic ideas that are opposed to Christianity,
we can pervert our faith.  When we clearly recognize pantheism when we
encounter it we have the opportunity to embrace what is consistent with
Christianity and reject what isn't.

We need to be alert, always thinking and questioning.  We must examine
the underlying assumptions of every book we read, tv program we watch
and socio-political movement we participate in.  Ideas are important.
Philosophies and doctrines are what give form to the events of our
lives.  They are the basis from which we live our lives of love and
service.  The command to love God with all one's mind means no fuzzy-
headed drifting from idea to idea.

One Christian who acknowledges this is the Pope.  It is a frequent theme
in his writings.  Indeed, thoughtful Christians from most traditions
recognize that consumerism has no place in the lives of Christians.  It
too is a perversion and dangerous to our faith.  Thank you, Jack, for
pointing out the parallel.


An excellent idea.

While I don't know the full scope of the activities of the EFF,
from what little I've seen I think it would be better to lobby for
strong cryptography through a distinct organization.

The EFF has been associated with efforts to prevent the banning of sex
and pictures newsgroups at various universities. Horror stories about the
contents of those groups (e.g. exploitative pictures of possibly underaged
models) have already surfaced in the press. The White House bulletin
already raised the specter of drug-dealing and terrorism, which is only one
step removed from the old "crypto-wielding child molester" argument.  An
EFF lobbying effort for cryptography would be too easily derailed by the
connection to child pornography and the like.

Similarly, LPF is connected with Stallman and his Gnu project.  In
light of, say, the Gnu Manifesto, this means that in a public debate it
stands to be labelled as "communist", "anarchist hackers", radical, etc.

I don't know about CPSR, but if it is an offshoot of Physicians for Social
Responsibility (best known for Helen Caldicott and her hysterical
antinuclear lobbying) then it probably also carries unwelcome political
baggage.

Perhaps for practical reasons a lobbying organization for cryptography
would best be formed under the umbrella of EFF or some other existing
group, but its charter should then be distinct, independent, and limited to
advocacy for the right to cryptography.  To reiterate Dan Bernstein's
question: does any suitable organization exist?  If not, what are you going
to do about it?

Having mentioned the possible dangers of unwelcome political associations,
I would be remiss not to suggest something in the opposite direction:
gathering the support of the NRA by emphasizing the RKBA side of the
issue as well as the First-Amendment side.


    >It is very difficult for a young person to develop and build
    >a positive view of themself when they are constantly being
    >told implicitly and explicitly that they are wrong and
    >immoral.

Yes, that is most certainly true. However, the paragrapgh reflects a value-less
position and infers that what is more important than anything else is to
have "a positive view" of one's self.

This of course, is foolish.

Should a mass murderer, a pedophile, a 10-year old pyromaniac have a "positive
view" of themselves?

Of course not.

A person that engages in behaviour that a large number of people condemn,
and IF you believe in the concept of "society", then your only choice is
to expect that person to have a negative view of themselves.

--
There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of
environmental disaster. Weird, eh?


This is definitely the wrong newsgroup for this, but never mind.
Any machine powered by heat (motor, steam- or gasturbine, steamengine,
thermoelement,etc) work the better, the bigger the temperature difference
between input and output is. Because You never get all thermic energy out of
the powering medium (steam, burning gaz, etc), You have to eliminate the rest
of the energy to keep the efficency high. A thermal electric power plant (coal,
oil or atomic power) works just the same way. You heat water (steam) to power
the turbine and generators. Because You don't get the whole energy out of the
steam (efficency is never 100%) You have to cool down this steam again by
something else. Most power plants use cooling towers for this purpose (some
type of mega-refrigerator...). Others use water of a river (ecologically not
unobjectionable). Got it ?

Cheers   Robert  (HB9NBY)


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Can anyone recomend a good book or article on inter-client communications
BESIDES I.C.C.M.?

I've looked everywhere I can and it seems everyone tells you how to do it
but nobody SHOWS you how.  O'Reilly has no examples, ICCM has no examples,
Asente & Swick give no examples - in fact most of the books I've looked at,
if they discuss ICC at all, simply give a condensed version of the ICCM and
then refer you to the ICCM.  I did find one example of how to use Atoms and
Properties in Young's book and five hours after I bought Young's book I had
my applications talking to each other.

I am not sure, however, if thats the best way.  I'd like to stay independent
of Unix so pipes and/or sockets probably aren't the way to go.  But within X
one can also use messages, the clipboard, and perhaps window groups.

I need a text that discusses the various methods, discusses which method is best
for which purpose, and gives examples.  Without examples it's all just words.

Thanks in advance


Please, PAY ATTENTION.
I, and others, were referring to TOTAL HOMICIDE DEATHS, NOT JUST
HANDGUN HOMICIDES.  In terms of how likely are you to be killed,
(regardless of how it's done, 'cause DEAD is DEAD), the UK has a
higher homicide rate. Period.  You are more likely to be killed in the
UK than in Switzerland.  If you were to be murdered with a handgun,
then yes, Switzerland has a higher rate.  But, to belabor the point,
you are MORE LIKELY to be murdered in the UK. In that sense, the
weapon is irrelevant.  The UK is more violent, period.

Al
[standard disclaimer]


I have a researcher who collecting electical impulses from
the human heart through a complex Analog to Digital system
he has designed and inputting this information into his EISA
bus HP Vectra Computer running DOS and the Phar Lap DOS extender.

He want to purchase a very high-performance video card for
3-D modeling. He is aware of a company called Matrox but
he is concerned about getting married to a company and their
video routine library. He would hope some more flexibility:
to choose between several card manufacturers with a standard
video driver. He would like to write more generic code-
code that could be easily moved to other cards or computer operating
systems in the future. Is there any hope?
Any information would be greatly appreciated-
Please, if possible, respond directly to internet mail
to raymaker@bcm.tmc.edu


Hello folks,

I'm seeing these errors when I try to modify my key map:

mwm: invalid accelerator specfication, line x

I've added a line in the start up file before the line
that starts mwm. It looks like the following:

xmodmap keymapfile
mwm

I think that the problem has to do with a conflict between
function keys F1 through F7 which already have assigned
functions (e.g. Move, Minimize, etc).

The odd thing is that I don't see these errors if I run

xmodmap keymapfile

from an xterm.

Can anyone suggest a way to modify the key map, specifically
F1 through F7 AND not have mwm (Motif Window Manager) complain.

I realize this is a bit stupid, but we only have time to
implement, not time to learn how to implement.


]Just wanted to say "Thanks" to everyone who sent me e-mail or
]posted a reply to my question on the oil consumption in my K75S

so what did _you_ decide?


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Power Locks, Power Steering, Power Antenna
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Pocatello, Idaho


DIs it possible to track down "zuma" and determine who/what/where "seradr" is?
If not, why not? I assu\me his/her/its identity is not shielded by policies
similar to those in place at "anonymous" services.


   Just a question.
   As a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee
   intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes
   with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be  a basic condition
   for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland)

You are obliged to let the police search the equipment if they have a
proper court order. You are under no legal obligation to keep the data
intelligble. If you wish to run your BBS entirely with all data
encrypted such that if the police show up they cannot read anything,
well, thats their problem. There are no legal restrictions on domestic
use of cryptography in the United States -- YET.

--
Perry Metzger		pmetzger@shearson.com


Hmm... now where was that ad for the combination radio/hand cranked
generator/flashlight/siren I saw? :-)

[function generator has a 50mV offset, and the amplitude's too high]

Sure, you've already got the right idea.

Ignoring the 50 ohm internal resistance of the generator for a second, just
run it into, say, a voltage divider made of 990 ohms in series with 10
ohms.  This new circuit is the Thevenin equivalent of one that puts out
1/100 of the original voltage, and has an output impedence of negligibly
less than 10 ohms.  You may want to monkey with the values a little
depending on whether you care more about the _exact_ dividing ratio or
the availability of parts.

Hows that sound?

					---Joel Kolstad


Are  complex  bio-medical  images  available  anywhere on the net for
experimentation?  By complex I mean that every sampled data point has
a magnitude and phase information both.


dam9543> 	I get back drom work today, look at me bike before
dam9543> proceding in-side.  I nearly shit, my new DRY RIDER cover is
dam9543> gone!  Barely two weeks old, and already gone, GOD-AM

Somebody stole my trashed old Honda red/white/blue cover off a
KZ440LTD in residential Palo Alto a couple of weeks ago.  The cover
had *holes* burnt in it around the exhaust, etc etc.  I figured it was
just kids, but maybe not...


 ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^

 Can we assume that this guy studied advertising and not chemistry?  Granted
it probably a great advertising gimic, but it doesn't sound at all practical.


I *think* this is correct behavior.  Remember the default
colormapFocusPolicy is keyboard (meaning the cmap focus follows the
keyboard focus).  Since the dialog is modal, mwm won't allow keyboard
focus onto your main shell, and so it won't allow cmap focus either.

Since it sounds as though you have keyboardFocusPolicy:pointer, I
suggest you set colormapFocusPolicy:pointer also.  That way, the cmap
focus won't slavishly follow keyboard focus, but will beat its own path.

(if you have keyboardFocusPolicy: explicit, you can set cmap focus
explicit also, but you then need a binding to f.focus_color, probably on
MB1).


	Up to that point I thought you were talking about the
Rosicrucian Order... :-)  [No offense intended!]


I agree with what Darren has to say here, but would like to add a
personal observation.  What I see as arrogance and the problem I have
with it is not a sense of personal certainty, but a lack of respect for
others who come to differing conclusions.  Clearly, this is not just
Christian vs. Non-Christian; there is a whole spectrum of belief systems
within Christianity.  I do not tend to argue with others about matters
of personal faith because, like aesthetics, it is not demonstable by
objective means.

Choosing what to believe and rely on are important areas of personal
sovereignty.  What bothers me is when others suggest that, in these
matters of faith, their specific beliefs are not only true to them
but are absolute and should be binding on others.  It follows from this
that God must give everyone the same revelation of truth, and thus
anyone who comes to a different conclusion is intentionally choosing
the wrong path.  This is the arrogance I see; a lack of respect for the
honest conclusions of others on matters which are between them and God.
Even a personal certainty leaves room for the beliefs of others.  It is
universalizing those matters of personal faith, coupled by a proud
notion that one's relationship with God is superior to other's, that
leads to arrogance.  In my honest (and nonuniversal) opinion. :-)

comments, criticism welcome...
-Ken
alvin@ucsu.colorado.edu


Since the AT&T wiretap chip is scheduled to be distributed
internationally, allowing the U.S. government to spy on foreign
governments, companies and people as as well as to wiretap domestic
citizens, this is a world-wide issue.  Thus Distribution: world.

Why do we hackers care about the Clipper chip?  Do we give a shit
about anybody's privacy accept our own?  And perhaps not even our
own; are we so smart that we always know when we're talking to
somebody who has a wiretap on their phone?

I find the "call thru your computer" ideas may reflect this attitude.
Ideas that are of, by, and for hackers, and don't help anybody in the
real world, aren't going to do anybody much good, including ourselves
where voice phones are concerned.

We *do* need an alternative to NSA-bugged telephones, but
we're talking inexpensive *telephones* here, including hand-sized
cellulars, that need strong crypto, real privacy.  Make-shift
computer hacker rigs that require living by your computer to
talk privately over the phone are just a dumb stunt that doesn't
do anything for anybody's privacy in the real world.

What we need is a true *privacy chip*.  For example, a real-time
voice-encryption RSA, silicon compile it and spit out ASIC.
Put this chip on the market as a de facto standard for international
business, diplomats, and private communications.  If the U.S. bans
it, we make it somewhere else and import it.  The Japanese, German,
Dutch, Taiwanese, Korean, etc. electronics companies don't want the
NSA spying on them.  U.S. workers lose more jobs to government fascist
stupidity.


The problem if  transffering US government files about Yigal Arens
and some other similar persons does or does not violate a federal
or a local American law seemed to belong to some local american law
forum  not to this forum.
The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents
of those files.
So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us:
1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous?
2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ?
3. If one does trust either the US government or the ADL what an
   additional information should he send them ?


Could be due to the rear-end ratio also.

Usually automatics have different rear-ends than manuals, from
my limited experience anyways.

David


I don't know if anyone knows about this topic: electrical heart
failure. One of my friends has had to go to the doctor because
he had chest pains. The Doc said it was Arythmia. So he had to
go to a new york hospital for a lot of money to get treated. His
doctors said that he could die from it, and the medication caused
cancer ( that he was taking). Well, I suggested that he run, excersize
and eat more, ( he is very skinny) but he says that has nothing
to do with it. Does anyone know what causes arythmia and how
it can be treated?
			Thanks


  Or you may be posting this WAY TOO EARLY and be eating your words by
  mid-season. C'mon, the Phillies haven't proved anything yet. Atlanta
  was similar to the Phils 2 years ago. They sucked. They started having
  a good year, but didn't get any respect until they actually won the
  division. (which is how it should be) So until the Phils AT LEAST
  have a good year, not just a good 2 weeks, they won't get any respect
  either. BTW, Atlanta's .188 BA is actually a compliment to how good
  the Braves really are. Their record is 6-3. Can you imagine the Phils
  record if they were batting .188? hahahaha. And Atlanta's hitting will
  improve dramatically.
  No, I'm not a Braves fan. Just defending a good team.
  Orin.
  Bradley U.


I responded to Jim's other articles today, but I see that I neglected
to respond to this one.  I wouldn't want him to think me a hypocrite
for not responding to *every* stupid article on t.r.m.

[dictionary definitions of "not" "disagree" and "agree" deleted]

Oh, but I'm weary of trying to wade through Jim's repertoire of
red herrings and smoke screens.

Let's see what we get when we run all four articles posted by Jim today
through the 'discord' filter (a Markov chain program that Steve Lamont
was kind enough to send me):

	Taking action? A white geese be held
	as an accomplice to be held as
	a decision upon the door
	A black and white goose waddles past
	the eyes of the door.
	Hits it with the confidence interval for
	that individual is held responsible
	for that, that individual
	may be held as a
	getaway car may be held
	as an uncountably large number
	of the driver of something
	and agree.

	A black goose
	waddles past the person imprisoned?

	White goose waddles past the
	confidence interval for the population
	of geese be axed,
	fine.
	And white goose
	waddles past the door.

Does running Jim's articles through 'discord' make them more
coherent?  Less coherent?

Or has 'discord' turned Jim's articles into an angst-ridden poem
about making choices in a world filled with uncertainty, yet being
held responsible for the choices we make?  Do the geese symbolize
an inner frustration with ambiguity, a desire that everything be
black and white, with no shades of gray?  Does the "getaway car"
tell us that to try to renounce the existential nature of our
being is not to "get away" from responsibility for our actions,
but rather to take the role of the passive accomplice, the
"driver" of the getaway car, as it were?  Does the juxtaposition
of man and machine, car and driver, reveal a subtext: an internal
conflict between determinism and moral responsibility?

Or am I reading too much into a collaboration between Jim and
a random number generator?


I'm not sure I understand this question. When the IF rule is invoked,
the batter is automatically out. This relieves the runners from being
forced to advance to the next base if the ball is not caught. Other
than that, isn't it just the same as any situation in which a runner on
a base is not forced to the next base on a dropped fly ball? That is,
if the ball is caught he can tag up and run (or decide to stay), and
if the ball is dropped he can have left the base at any time.


A nice formulation for the introduction of the first encryption
devices with built-in trapdoors - just like the Feds wanted...

Bla-bla.

Indeed, and the current proposal does nothing to prevent the latter.

This doesn't say much. There are many incredibly weak encryption
algorithms in commercial use today...

Except from the government.

Nope. The criminals won't be stupid enough to use the new chip,
they'll use something secure. This technology provides only means to
intercept the phone conversations of people who are stupid enough to
use it.

That is, the government has the keys. It doesn't matter much if they
are in one or in two of its hands...

Correct. It does, however, provide those Americans with the false
sense of privacy.

If the screening is not public, it cannot be trusted. Some people do
not trust DES even today, after all the examinations - only because
some parts of its design were kept secret.

So they'll use a different technology to hide their illegal
activities. So will those law-abiding citizens, who do not trust their
government not to misuse its abilities to decrypt their conversations.

Except from the government.

Huh? Later it says that the new technology will be export restricted.

In short, the new technology can:

1) Protect the law abiding citizen's privacy from the casual snooper.

It cannot:

1) Protect him from the government, if it decides to misuse its
ability to decrypt the conversations.

2) Protect him from the criminals who succeed to break the new
encryption scheme or to steal the keys, or to bribe the people who
handle them, etc.

3) Prevent the criminals from using secure encryption for
communication.

Correct. However, it does not provide them that much privacy as it
claims.

Two candidates: the NSA and the Mafia.

That is, "trust us".

"Security through obscurity".

If it's not entirely open to public examination, it cannot be
trusted. Besides, who can prove that the devices used for examination
and the ones built into your phones will be the same?

The NSA and the FBI?

Why did they "forget" the Academia?

Doesn't this smell to monopolism?

Like the Mafia?

This is the main question, why was it buried at the end?

"We'll see".

"Trust us".

In short, "If we decide to outlaw strong crypto, we'll tell you".

Since the US government seems to consider strong crypto as munitions
and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American
to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of
right, to an unbreakable commercial encryption product?

Bullshit. The proposed technology provides a false sense of security,
encryption devices with built-in capabilities for breaking the
encryption, does not prevent the criminals to use strong crypto, and
is a step to outlaw strong crypto.

Who was the optimist who believed that the new administration will
leave the export controls on strong crypto devices?

OK, I'm not American, it's not my business, but I just couldn't resist
to comment... The whole plot looks so totalitaristic... It's up to
you, Americans, to fight for your rights.

Regards,
Vesselin

P.S. Now is the time for David Sternlight to pop up and claim that the
new system is great.


Hi, I bought a while ago a Cache Card w/ FPU from Techworks. It was 219$.
I think that was the cheapest I ever saw.


THIS President.  (And I could easily be wrong.)


}In heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in
}front to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the
}jerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch
}into one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a
}better eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than
}from in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors.

This is pretty damned complicated. I just make a "back off" motion with
my hand/arm, and the second or third time even the most braindead cager
backs off. If they don't back off then, I find a way to get the hell out
of there -- the cager is either psychotic, drunk, or just a complete
asshole. In any case, I don't want to be anywhere near, and especially
not in front.


==============================================================================
Has anyone created any interesting animations using Dmorph
I seem to be unable to create anything that looks remotely
realistic although this is probably due to the crappy GIF's
at I am using (One of Captain Kirk and One of Spock), i'm a
bit of a 'Trekker'.  What are the best type of pictures to use.
thanks........
            A.Situnayake


a
e
e
GT (5sp of course)


} I would like more info on this if anybody has it. Our Exabyte
} 8500 tapedrive has never been working from the Quadra 950.
} We have been trying it since September 1992, replaced cabling,
} inits, I don't know what all. All the "industry experts" we
} phoned (the tapedrive dealer, our Apple dealer, the software
} dealer) all say it's our fault, or they don't know. The last
} thing they said was that we needed a special Quadra SCSI terminator
} (???). Anybody know more? Thanks,

I have been using the PLI (SONY) 3.5" MO drive and now a Sharp color
scanner using standard SCSI cables and STANDARD $20 terminator on my Q700.
No problems.  If you were using a IIfx, that might be another story.

Make sure there is only one terminator in the cabling and it must be at the
end.  Some boxes have internal terminators; some can be switched out and
others are socketted.  These count.  If the box with internal terminations
cannot be put on the end to terminate the cabling, they have to be
disabled, ie, switched out or pulled out of their sockets.  If you have 2
boxes with internal terminations, the terminations in one box has to be
disabled...., etc.  I am sure that this has been covered by the "experts".

My experience with SCSI boxes that connect to the Mac indicates that they
must have some software package for the Mac to 'talk' to them.  My PLI MO
drive and Sharp scanner has one for each.

Good luck.


When Apple came with their demos to Iowa State, I got a chance to run
Speedometer3.1 on some of the new Macs.  Both machines were running
System7.1, had a 14" RGB.  Don't know what the caches were set to.
Neither machine had an FPU  It appears that the Centris610 is quite a
bit faster than the LC III:

		Centris610		LCIII

CPU		13.01			6.92
Graf		15.67			7.69
Disk		2.22			2.44
Math		25.57			10.19

P.R. Rating	12.91			6.58

So, there is a comparison.  There is definitely a very noticable speed
difference between these two machines according to Speedometer3.1.


You can also set the Foreground to the XOR of the foreground and background
colors:  XSetForeground(..., fg ^ bg);    This works great for me (at least
with TrueColor visuals).


Even if what Brad says turns out to be accurate, you can bet that the
Administration will have made it "very clear" to the vendors that "it
would very much be in their best interests" to institute a "voluntary"
policy of refusing to sell anything but Clinton Cripple equipped equipment
to anyone other than "Authorized government agencies and Law Enforcement",
or individuals and corporations who "have been been determined by the
Administration to have a valid need on a case-by-case basis" for an
effective system.

Note that this is very much like the language used in many gun control
bills/laws the Administration is pushing for, or otherwise supporting.
The logic and actual rationale (as opposed to the excuses that get fed
to the media) is the same in both cases, only the items or technology
in question are different.

I think this is no accident.  It comes from the same philosophy that
the government rules/controls the people, not the people controlling
the government, that the unconnected citizens are not sophisticated enough
to know what is best for them, so the government must tell the people
what they need or do not need ... "we know best...".  And the idea that
that a commoner can defend himself against government eavesdropping
or unlawful attack is totally unacceptable to people with this outlook.

Combine this all with pushing for national identity cards with 'smart
chips' to encode anything they please (internal passport) under the
guise of streamlining the State People's Health Care System, and with
(you can be certain) more jewels yet to come, and one sees an extremely
ominous trend.  So what if "1984" will be ten years late... it still is
turning out to be an amazingly accurate prophecy... unless a LOT of
people wake up, and in a hurry.

One should ALWAYS have every red warning light and bell and danger flag
come up when the government seeks to set itself apart in regard to
rights, etc.  from the unconnected/unprivileged citizen (or should we
now be saying 'subject' instead?)...  Why SHOULDN'T the average person
have a good, secure system of data security, not dependent on nebulous
'safeguards' for maintaining that security?  Why SHOULDN'T the average
person be able to defend himself from an agency gone rogue?  0I am sure
the Feds could break into any data they really wanted to (but it would
take some WORK), and using the same logic, one should not be allowed to
have a good safe, unless a duplicate of the key(s) or combination are
submitted for 'safekeeping' by the government?  I don't really see a
difference, philosophically.  Encrypted data sure won't evaporate, not
with such high-tech tools as a TAPE RECORDER...


Don't you mean "former motorcyclist?"


	 ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes...
 ^^^^
	Hmm, sounds like a useful trick -- it'd keep the local cagers at least
a crutch-length off my tail-light, which is more than they give me now.  But
do I have to break a leg to use it?

	(When I broke my ankle dirt-biking, I ended up strapping the crutches
to the back of the bike & riding to the lab.  It was my right ankle, but the
bike was a GT380 and started easily by hand.)


C'mon, you still haven't corrected yourself, 'wieneramus'. In April
1942, Hitler was preparing for the invasion of the Caucasus. A
number of Nazi Armenian leaders began submitting plans to German
officials in spring and summer 1942. One of them was Souren Begzadian
Paikhar, son of a former ambassador of the Armenian Republic in Baku.
Paikhar wrote a letter to Hitler, asking for German support to his
Armenian national socialist movement Hossank and suggesting the
creation of an Armenian SS formation in order

"to educate the youth of liberated Armenia according to the
 spirit of the Nazi ideas."

He wanted to unite the Armenians of the already occupied territories
of the USSR in his movement and with them conquer historic Turkish
homeland. Paikhar was confined to serving the Nazis in Goebbels
Propaganda ministry as a speaker for Armenian- and French-language
radio broadcastings.[1] The Armenian-language broadcastings were
produced by yet another Nazi Armenian Viguen Chanth.[2]

[1] Patrick von zur Muhlen (Muehlen), p. 106.
[2] Enno Meyer, A. J. Berkian, 'Zwischen Rhein und Arax, 900
    Jahre Deutsch-Armenische beziehungen,' (Heinz Holzberg
    Verlag-Oldenburg 1988), pp. 124 and 129.

The establishment of Armenian units in the German army was favored
by General Dro (the Butcher). He played an important role in the
establishment of the Armenian 'legions' without assuming any
official position. His views were represented by his men in the
respective organs. An interesting meeting took place between Dro
and Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler toward the end of 1942.
Dro discussed matters of collaboration with Himmler and after
a long conversation, asked if he could visit POW camp close to
Berlin. Himmler provided Dro with his private car.[1]

A minor problem was that some of the Soviet nationals were not
'Aryans' but 'subhumans' according to the official Nazi philosophy.
As such, they were subject to German racism. However, Armenians
were the least threatened and indeed most privileged. In August
1933, Armenians had been recognized as Aryans by the Bureau of
Racial Investigation in the Ministry for Domestic Affairs.

[1] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., pp. 112-113.

Need I go on?

Serdar Argic


[stuff deleted. all mine]

Aw come on.  It worked great in the 1920's (or the movie version of the '20s
anyways) :-)

[stuff deleted about how revolvers are just as good as semi-autos]

All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as
I am not really familiar enough with handguns.

Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to.  The only thing
that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it.  Sure there is
that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety.
Actually I don't watch those shows :-)  And you're right (at least partially).
I don't know much about handguns.  I'm more familiar with rifles.

No flames here.  All your points are well taken.  Guess I still have a
lot to learn but thanks to this discussion I already am :-)  Guess I
assume too many things like more bullets are better and that sort of
thing.  Of course you know what happens when you assume ......... :-)


I'm no expert at UPS's, but you said something that made it sound like
you didn't realize something.  On a typical UPS (well, on ours, anyway),
there is NO switchover from AC to DC.  All the protected equipment is
ALWAYS running from the batteries (via an inverter), with the usual
condition of also having them on charge.  If the power fails, big deal -
the computers never see it (until the batteries start to droop, but
there's something like 60 car-sized batteries in that cabinet, so it
takes a while).

If you were gonna run the guts on straight DC instead of an inverter,
why not do it all the time?  Then there'd be no switchover to screw
things up, and no having to sense the failure fast.  Just keep the DC
on charge when the power is on, and it'll be there in zero time when
you "need" it.


In fairness, we should note that if you look up "speculum" in the
dictionary (which I did when this question first surfaced), the first
definition is "a mirror or polished metal plate used as a reflector in
optical instruments."

Which doesn't mean the name fits in this context, but it's not as far
off as you might think.


Mr. Emmanuel Huna,

Give logic a break will you.  Gosh, what kind of intelligence do
you have, if any?

Tesiel says :  Be a man not an arab for once.
I say       :  Fuck of Tsiel (for saying the above).

I get tagged as a racist, and he gets praised?
Well Mr. logicless, Tsiel has apologized for his racist remark.
I praise him for that courage, but I tell Take a hike to whoever calls me
a racist without a proof because I am not.

You have proven to us that your brain has been malfunctioning
and you are just a moron that's loose on the net.


Ok, I was under the impression that it accepted digital input.

I still don't know for sure if it accepts BOTH interlaced and
non-interlaced as I have gotten conflicting info.


Probably within 50 years, it will be possible to disassemble and
re-assemble our bodies at the molecular level.  Not only will flawless
cosmetic surgery be possible, but flawless cosmetic PSYCHOSURGERY.

What will it be like to store all the prices of shelf-priced bar-coded
goods in your head, and catch all the errors they make in the store's
favor at SAFEWAY?  What will it be like to mentally edit and spell-
check your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling
VACATION TIME-SHARE OPTIONS?

Indeed, we are today a nation at risk!  The threat is not from bad genes,
but bad memes!  Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes
which are the units of genetics.

We stand on the brink of new meme-amplification technologies!  Harmful
memes which formerly were restricted in their destructive power will
run rampant over the countryside, laying waste to the real benefits that
future technology has to offer.

For example, Jeremy Rifkin has been busy trying to whip up emotions
against the new genetically engineered tomatoes under development at
CALGENE.  This guy is inventing harmful memes, a virtual memetic Typhoid
Mary.


I am on the list under two addresses, I think:
	tom@capmgtsci.com
and
	zuma!tom@netcomsv.netcom.com

Please delete the second one,
	zuma!tom@netcomsv.netcom.com

Thanks. Sorry for the screw up.


We all know this will never happen.  Because the Police are under the wings
of Government, they will always be considered more important than Citizens.

Government pens, pencils and paper are considered more important than
Citizens.


Please note that Bill Clinton probably has little if anything to do
with the design, implementation or reasoning behind this chip or behind
any "moves" being made using this chip as a pawn.

Remember, when you elect a president of the united states, it's not
the case that all the Republicans, etc. in the NSA and FBI and CIA
immediately pack their bags and get replaced by a team of fresh young
Democrats.  Most of the government -- say, 96% -- is appointed or
hired rather than elected.  Since this Clipper device has been in
production for over six months, it probably has little or no
foundation in the currently elected Democratic Executive body.

Could be.  However, the sky hasn't fallen yet, Chicken Little.


The final stages of denial... I can hardly imagine what the result
would have been if the Clinton administration had actually supported
this plan, instead of merely acquiescing with repugnance as they've so
obviously doing.  I don't believe the chip originated with the Clinton
administration either, but the Clinton administration has embraced it
and brought it to fruition.

Both of the major parties have what they consider excellent reasons
for limiting your freedoms and violating your privacy, and even seem
to feel that they're doing you a favor.  If this is really surprising
to anyone it means they've been willfully ignoring quite a bit of
previous evidence.  There's only one political party (not calling
anarchists a party) that considers your freedom and privacy goals
worthy in and of themselves.  If you're voting for the big two, you're
supporting a reduction of those rights (given their goals and their
histories), regardless of whether you personally support that
reduction.  To paint Clinton and Gore as unwitting tools is really
stretching things.


All true.  And all good points.

Well, making a career out of it is a bit strong.  I still believe
that doing your own research is very, very necessary.  I would
not have progressed as much as I have today, unless I had spent
the many hours in Stanford's Med Library as I have done.
And 5 years ago, it was clear that there was no medicine that
would help me.  So should I have stopped searching.  Thank
goodness I didn't.  Now I found that there is indeed medicine
that helps me.

I think that what you've said is kind of idealistic.  That you
would go to one doctor, get a diagnosis, maybe get a second
opinion, and then move on with your life.
Just as an example... having seen 6 of the top specialists in
this field in the country, I have received 6 different diagnoses.
These are the top names, the ones that people come to from all over
the country.  I have HAD to sort all of this out myself.  Going
to a support group (and in fact, HEADING that support group) was
helpful for a while, but after a point, I found it very
unproductive.  It was much more productive to do library research,
make phone calls and put together the pieces of the puzzle myself.

A recent movie, Lorenzo's Oil, offers a perfect example of what
I'm talking about.  If you haven't seen it, you should.  It's not
a put down of doctor's and neither is what I'm saying.  Doctors are
only human and can only do so much.  But there are those of us
out here who are intelligent and able to sometimes find a missing
piece of the puzzle that might have otherwise gone unnoticed.

I guess I'm biased because dizziness is one of those weird things
that is still so unknown.  If I had a broken arm, or a weak heart,
or failing kidneys, I might not have the same opinion.  That's because
those things are much more tangible and have much more concise
definitions and treatments.  With dizziness, you just have to
decide to live with it or decide to live with it while trying to
find your way out of it.

I have chosen the latter.

Linda
lindae@netcom.netcom.com


Troglodytism does not necessarily imply a low cultural level.
The image-conscious Armenians sorely feel a missing glory in
their background. Armenians have never achieved statehood and
independence, they have always been subservient, and engaged
in undermining schemes against their rulers. They committed
genocide against the Muslim populations of Eastern Anatolia
and Armenian Dictatorship before and during World War I and
fully participated in the extermination of the European Jewry
during World War II. Belligerence, genocide, back-stabbing,
rebelliousness and disloyalty have been the hallmarks of the
Armenian history. To obliterate these episodes the Armenians
engaged in tailoring history to suit their whims. In this zeal
they tried to cover up the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million
Turks and Kurds before and during World War I.

And, you don't pull nations out of a hat.

Source: Walker, Christopher: "Armenia: The Survival of a Nation."
        New York (St. Martin's Press), 1980.

This generally pro-Armenian work contains the following information
of direct relevance to the Nazi Holocaust:

a) Dro (the butcher), the former Dictator of the Armenian Dictatorship and
the architect of the Genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds, the most
respected of Nazi Armenian leaders, established an Armenian Provisional
Republic in Berlin during World War II;

b) this 'provisional government' fully endorsed and espoused the social
theories of the Nazis, declared themselves and all Armenians to be members
of the Aryan 'Super-Race;'

c) they published an Anti-Semitic, racist journal, thereby aligning themselves
with the Nazis and their efforts to exterminate the Jews; and,

d) they mobilized an Armenian Army of up to 20,000 members which fought side
by side with the Wehrmacht.

Serdar Argic


With regard to your speculations on NSA involvement in the creation of
PKP, I find that it fails the test of Occam's butcher knife.  Never
attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by forthright greed.


Hmm.  I beg to differ.  It will probably make a big difference at some
point.

Thankfully, it is true that the majority go through life without
having to use a firearm.  Howver, there are situations where firearms
are the most effective means of self protection.  What other means do
you propose as equally effective?

New to this country? New to political theory?
Alas, I was speaking of principle.  Without principle, all attempts at
republican forms of gov't are futile.  There are times when public and
political opinion are contrary to principle, which is why we have a
Constitution which enumerates gov't powers and presumes certain
rights.  A major reason for this was to prevent a tyranny of the
majority.

This is exactly why law should be based on reasoned thought, not
immediate perception.  Of course, it doesn't always work that way.
Fortunately, while there are no guarantees, logic sometimes does
prevail.  And, if not, there are still means for correction.
As far as "enough active voters" are concerned, that is still
an open question until the vote is made.

You portray a possible scenario for the future.  But, how will you
silence RKBA supporters right now?  As long as public debate is
allowed, such debate will continue. If we allow public debate to be
restricted or denied, then we will get a gov't we deserve.


Are you arguing that the Lyme lab test is accurate?
The books that I've read say that in general the tests
have a 50-50 chance of being correct.  (The tests
result in a large number of both false positives and
false negatives.  I am in the latter case.)

We could get those same odds by "rolling the dice".


This might a real wierd idea or maybe not..

I have seen where people have blown up ballons then sprayed material into them
that then drys and makes hard walls...

Why not do the same thing for a space station..

Fly up the docking rings and baloon materials and such, blow up the baloons,
spin then around (I know a problem in micro gravity) let them dry/cure/harden?
and cut a hole for the docking/attaching ring and bingo a space station..

Of course the ballons would have to be foil covered or someother radiation
protective covering/heat shield(?) and the material used to make the wals would
have to meet the out gasing and other specs or atleast the paint/covering of
the inner wall would have to be human safe.. Maybe a special congrete or maybe
the same material as makes caplets but with some changes (saw where someone
instea dof water put beer in the caplet mixture, got a mix that was just as
strong as congret but easier to carry around and such..)

Sorry for any spelling errors, I missed school today.. (grin)..

Why musta  space station be so difficult?? why must we have girders? why be
confined to earth based ideas, lets think new ideas, after all space is not
earth, why be limited by earth based ideas??


I got asked in Sci. Med. Nutrition about vitamin C and oxalate production(
toxic, kidney stone formation?).  I decided to post my answer here as well
because of the recent question about kidney stones.  Not long after I got
into Sci. Med. I got flamed by a medical fellow for stating that magnesium
would prevent kidney stone formation.  I'm going to state it again here.
But the best way to prevent kidney stones from forming is to take B6
supplements.  Read on to find out why(I have my asbestos suit on now guys).

Vitamin C will form oxalic acid.  But large doses are needed (above 6 grams
per day).

	1. Review Article "Nutritional factors in calcium containing kidney
	   stones with particular emphasis on Vitamin C" Int. Clin. Nutr. Rev.
	   5(3):110-129(1985).

But glycine also forms oxalic acid(D-amino acid oxidases).  For both
glycine and vitamin C, one of the best ways to drastically reduce this
production is not to cut back on dietary intake of vitamin C or glycine,
but to increase your intake of vitamin B6.

	2. "Control of hyperoxaluria with large doses of pyridoxine in
	    patients with kidney stones" Int. Urol. Nephrol. 20(4):353-59(1988)
	    200 to 500 mg of B6 each day significasntly decreased the urinary
	    excretion of oxalate over the 18 month treatment program.

	3. The action of pyridoxine in primary hyperoxaluria" Clin. Sci. 38
	   :277-86(1970).  Patients receiving at least 150mg B6 each day
	   showed a significant reduction in urinary oxalate levels.

For gylcine, this effect is due to increased transaminase activity(B6 is
required for transaminase activity) which makes less glycine available for
oxidative deamination(D-amino acid oxidases).  For vitamin C, the effect is
quite different.  There are different pathways for vitamin C catabolism.
The pathway that leads to oxalic acid formation will usually have 17 to 40%
of the ingested dose going into oxalic acid.  But this is highly variable
and the vitamin C review article pointed out that unless the dose gets upto
6 grams per day, not too much vitamin C gets catabolized to form oxalic
acid.  At very high doses of vitamin C(above 10 grams per day), more of the
extra vitamin C (more than 40% conversion) can end up as oxalic acid.  In a
very early study on vitamin C and oxalic production(Proc. Soc. Exp. Biol.
Med. 85:190-92(1954), intakes of 2 grams per day up to 9 grams per day
increased the average oxalic acid excretion from 38mg per day up to 178mg
per day.  Until 8 grams per day was reached, the average excreted was
increased by only 3 to 12mg per day(2 gram dose, 4 gram dose, 8 gram dose
and 9gram dose). 8 grams jumped it to 45mg over the average excretion
before supplementation and 9 grams jumped it to 150 mg over the average
before supplementation.

B6 is required by more enzymes than any other vitamin in the body.  There
are probably some enzymes that require vitamin B6 that we don't know about
yet.  Vitamin C catabolism is still not completely understood but the
speculation is that this other pathway that does not form oxalic acid must
have an enzyme in it that requires B6.  Differences in B6 levels could then
explain the very variable production of oxalic acid from a vitamin C
challenge(this is not the preferred route of catabolism).  Increasing your
intake of B6 would then result in less oxalic acid being formmed if you
take vitamin C supplements.  Since the typical American diet is deficient
in B6, some researchers believe that the main cause of calcium-oxalate
kidney stones is B6 deficiency(especially since so little oxalic acid gets
absorbed from the gut).  Diets providing 0 to 130mg of oxalic acid per day
showed absolutely no change in urinary excretion of oxalate(Urol Int.35:309
-15,1980).  If 400mg was present each day, there was a significant increase
in urinary oxalate excretion.

	Here are the high oxalate foods:

	1. Beans, coca, instant coffee, parsley, rhubarb, spinach and tea.
	   Contain at least 25mg/100grams

	2. Beet tops, carrots, celery, chocolate, cumber, grapefruit, kale,
	   peanuts, pepper, sweet potatoe.
	   Contain 10 to 25 mg/100grams.

If the threshold is 130mg per day, you can see that you really have a lot
of latitude in food selection.  A recent N.Eng.J. Med. article also points
out that one good way to prevent kidney stone formation is to increase your
intake of calcium which will prevent most of the dietary oxalate from being
absorbed at all.  If you also increase your intake of B6, you shouldn't
have to worry about kidney stones at all. The RDA for B6 is 2mg per day for
males and 1.6mg per day for females(directly related to protein intake).
B6 can be toxic(nerve damage) if it is consumed in doses of 500mg or more
per day for an extended peroid(weeks to months).

The USDA food survey done in 1986 had an average intake of 1.87 mg per day
for males and 1.16mg per day for females living in the U.S.  Coupled with
this low intake was a high protein diet(which greatly increases the B6
requirement), as well as the presence of some of the 40 different drugs that
either block B6 absorption, are metabolic antagonists of B6, or promote B6
excretion in the urine.  Common ones are: birth control pills, alcohol,
isoniazid, penicillamine, and corticosteroids.  I tell my students to
supplement all their patients that are going to get any of the drugs that
increase the B6 requirement.  The dose recommended for patients taking
birth control pills is 10-15mg per day and this should work for most of the
other drugs that increase the B6 requirement(this would be on top of your
dietary intake of B6).  Any patient that has a history of kidney stone
formation should be given B6 supplements.

One other good way to prevent kidney stone formation is to make sure your
Ca/Mg dietary ratio is 2/1.  Magnesium-oxalate is much more soluble than is
calcium-oxalate.

	4. "The magnesium:calcium ratio in the concentrated urines of
patients with calcium oxalate calculi"Invest. Urol 10:147(1972)

	5. "Effect of magnesium citrate and magnesium oxide on the
crystallization of calcium in urine: changes producted by food-magnesium
interaction"J. Urol. 143(2):248-51(1990).

	6.Review Article, "Magnesium in the physiopathology and treatment
of renal calcium stones" J. Presse Med. 161(1):25-27(1987).

There are actually about three times as many articles published in the
medical literature on the role of magnesium in preventing kidney stone
formation than there are for B6.  I thought that I was being pretty safe in
stating that magnesium would prevent kidney stone formation in an earlier
post in this news group but good old John A. in Mass. jumped all over me. I
guess that he doesn't read the medical literature.  Oh well, since kidney
stones can be a real pain and a lot of people suffer from them, I thought
I'd tell you how you can avoid the pain and stay out of the doctor's office.

Martin Banschbach, Ph.D.
Professor of Biochemistry and Chairman
Department of Biochemistry and Microbiology
OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine
1111 W. 17th Street
Tulsa, Ok. 74107


Having spoken to technical staff from Ford many times, I can assure you that
internally at Ford this car is always called the Taurus "Show" or just
"the Show".  As in long "o" sound.  I still refer to it as the "S-H-O",
however, because it sounds better to me. I assume many purist fans and owners
prefer using the Ford lingo.


No. I estimate a 99 % probability the Gehrels referred to
is Thomas Gehrels of the Spacewatch project, Kitt Peak observatory.

Maybe in the 24th century they could do gamma ray spectroscopy on
distant asteroids with an orbiting observatory, but here in the
primitive 20th we have to send a probe there to get gamma ray
spectroscopy done.

You have the info on Mayan Television yet?


HI there!  I have a few games that I'd like to run under Windows 3.1 and can't
get the PIFS adjusted right.   For example Wing Commander.  In my DOS Prompt, I
have more than 620K available for programs.  This is enough to run WC.
So I build a PIF giving WC a couple of megs of extended memory etc.. and run
it.  WC prompts: "Loading Wing Commander..." and then a message about
"Using extended memory..." etc... and then my screen goes black (just before
the opening scene-the orchestra-would have appeared.)

I also have a pool game that does almost the same thing.  It opens up and
prompts me for what kind of video driver I have.  (CGA, EGA, etc...)  I
respond EGA and the screen goes black.

On both of these a ctrl-alt-del getss me back to Windows.

Has ANYONE run Wing Commander under Windows?  Or has had the problems I
describe and fixed them?   HEre's the rest of my setup:

	400MB Disk Free
          8MB memory   ~5 free during WIN session
        386DX-25

Respond here or on E-Mail.   If anyone else needs this info, send me mail in
a couple of days, and I'll forward the replies to you.

--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Clinton A. Pierce   | Cartesian Bear = Polar Bear after coordinate transform
clintp@world.std.com |


Someone writing anonymously asks:

I *did* become a Christian without having been indoctrinated by my parents, and
having studied Buddhism fairly carefully and other religions to a lesser
degree.  I made a decision to accept the truth-claims of Christianity after
having given it a lot of thought.  (I have to point out that the process was not
purely a cold, rational one: there was a powerful experiential element as well.
Also, my Calvinist should rest assured that I don't lay any of the
responsibility for the outcome [my conversion] on anyone but God.)

It took me years and years for this all to happen, because I had many of the
objections that this poster puts forward.  I grew up in the shadow of [generic
authoritarian conservative denomination], and I *knew* that that wasn't a way
of life that I could adopt.  But I gradually learned not to tar all of
Christianity with the same brush, and realized quite suddenly one cold winter
night that I accepted what I had heretofore rejected.  I am quite certain that
I was not "brain-washed".


We've been using it for a year on Unix (Sun and HP) and Windows platforms.  In my
opinion, it is the best toolkit on the market.  It supports a rich API to a high
level IPC mechanism, file system abstraction, memory management, command driven
application development, drawing, geometry management, and, oh yeah, Open Look,
Motif, MS-Windows and Mac (at the flip of a switch).

--


    >Now let me get this straight. After a nice, long rant about
    >how people need to take personal responsibility for their
    >economic and social lives, all of a sudden 1960's radicals
    >(such as me, I guess) are responsible for poor people's
    >lifestyles? Tell me how that works--or do you think that poor
    >people are just too dumb to think for themselves?
    >
    >There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family
    >and support systems in general among this nation's poor.
    >Somehow I don't think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at
    >the top of any sane person's list.
    >
    >You want to go after my generation's vaunted cultural
    >revolution for a lasting change for the worse, try so-called
    >"relevant" or "values" education. Hey, it seemed like a good
    >idea at the time. How were we to know you needed a real
    >education first--I mean, we took that for granted.

The 1960's generation were the most spoiled and irresponsible.

The Depression had create mothers and fathers that were determined that their
kids would not want for anything -- going overboard and creating a nation of
brats.

Consider the contrast between two famous events in July of 1969.

Apollo 11 and Woodstock.

Which group had large numbers of people that could not feed themselves and
reverted to the cultural level of primitives (defecation in public etc.).

And which group assembled, took care of itself, and dispersed with no damage,
no deaths, no large numbers of drug problems ....

--
There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of
environmental disaster. Weird, eh?


: >
: > : And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company
: > : and the Amphenol company.  Both companies revolutionized electronics by
: > : simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets
: > : were affected by the amount of current running through the wires.
: >
: > Sorry.  The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man
: > named AMPERE who studied electrical current.  The term AMP is just an abbreviation
: > of it.  The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use.
: >
: > : The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus
: > : our use of the Ohms...
: >
: > I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right.
: Are you (two) joking?
: Is the entire Internet flaming you (two)?
: Ahh!, now I remember that Ohmite company was the first introducing "the pink
: colored resistor", only for electronics working females ;-)
: --
: Manuel Arrevola Velasco   ||||| True e-mail: manolo@taf.fundesco.es |||||
: DoD #1033
:
Yes, I have taken a bit of flame on this one.  I must've been half asleep when
I posted a response to Joseph.

Greggo.


	Hmmm.  "Check your facts."  Good advice.  Let's check Mr. Cain's
facts a bit, shall we?

FACT:  It is unlawful to distribute code implementing RSA without a license
to do so from PKP, whether or not one is charging for it.  Furthermore,
any use of RSA, other than for research purposes allowed under US patent
law, is similarly unlawful.  Therefore, the "average citizen" cannot use
RSA to encrypt message traffic in the US without a license from PKP.

There is no licensed, freely available product in the US that uses RSA
encryption other than RSAREF (and hence RIPEM), at least as far as I am
aware.  If you know of another, please post it here.

FACT:  The last contact I had with RSA Data Security, Inc was with some
guy trying to sell me a license (unsolicited, I might add) for TIPEM.
Cost: $15K plus 2-5 percent royalties.

I suppose it is a matter of opinion as to whether or not these terms count
as "mucho bucks" or "incredibly reasonable."  Either way, however, this
definitely falls into the "routines *they* tell you to (use)".

FACT:  There are no restrictions (yet!) on the use of cryptography under
US law, although this is beginning to look like it will change.  The only
impediments to widespread use of RSA cryptography in the US are PKP's
patents.

	Mr. Cain, please shut up until you get your facts straight.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
	"Better than the whole world be destroyed and crumble to dust than
a free man deny one of his desires."
		-Benito Mussolini, Italian anarchist and poet.


"	For sale: 1956 Elvis Prestly autograph. Autogaph is one of two, the
othere being Elvis's friend Red West and were obtained by the seller in the
spring of 1956 in Jacksonville , Fla the afternoon following the incident
when Elvis collapsed during a concert at the Gaterbowl in Jacksonville.
	Request offers.
           Ellen T. (408) 978-7716 (San Jose, CA.)"


For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister
and mother."


   My rule of thumb is "Don't give rides to people that wear
a bigger helmet than you", unless your taste runs that way,
or they are family.friends.
Gee,  reminds me of a *dancer* in Hull, just over the river
from Ottowa, that I saw a few years ago, for her I would a
bought a bigger helmet (or even her own bike) or anything
else she wanted ;->


In the case of victimless crimes yes, I think so.

Think about it.  If I rob or beat up or rape or kill someone, it's very
clear to anyone not a sociopath that I've done something immoral.  On the
other hand, if I smoke grass or have sex with a consenting adult in a
manner illegal in that state, the morality or immorality of that act is
merely a lifestyle choice; it doesn;t clearly hurt anyone else.  IMO, if
such an act doesn;t hurt another person it should not be interfered with.

I think so.  And I don't use drugs, outside of the legal ones (alcohol
and coffee).


  I doubt there are good prospects for  a self armoring system
for venus surface conditions (several hundred degrees, very high
pressure of CO2, possibly sulfuric and nitric acids or oxides
but it is a notion to consider for outer planets rs where you might
pick up ices under less extream upper atmosphere conditions buying
deeper penetration.  A nice creative idea, unlikly but worthy of
thinking about.


And/or taking the rubber ball out of the mouse (should be directions
in the manual or on the bottom of the mouse) and cleaning it with
alcohol (isopropyl, I believe - the same alcohol as used for cleaning
your cassette deck).  This is good to do every so often, even if you
have a mouse pad.  Dust still gets caught in the mouse and on the
rubber ball.  As well, lint and other garbage may find it's way onto
the rubber ball and get into the mouse damaging the horizontal and
vertical sensors.

Hope this helps.  Good luck.

--
Sincerely,

Robert Kayman	----	kayman@cs.stanford.edu  -or-  cpa@cs.stanford.edu


I'd have to say the most impressive HRs I've ever see came from Dave Kingman
and his infamous moon-raker drives...


This is an official RFD for the creation of a new newsgroup for the
general discussion of the Microsoft Access RDMS.

NAME: COMP.DATABASES.ACCESS

MODERATION: UNMODERATED. At this time, no need for a moderator has been
assertained. Future evaluation will determine if one is needed.

PURPOSE:
Access is a new RDBMS for the Windows Operating System. It includes WYSIWYG
design tools for easy creation of tables, reports, forms and queries and a
database programming language called Access Basic.
THe purpose of the group will be to provide help to people who use Access's
WYSIWYG design tools to create simple databases as well as to people who use
Access Basic to create complex databases.

RATIONALE:
Eventhough Access is a new RDBMS, it is very popular because of its Graphical
Development enviroment and its initial low price.
Been a version 1.0 product means that all Access users are Novices.
For that reason a newsgroup is needed where Access users can discuss
their experiences with the product and answer each other's questions.


Sometimes.  It depends on your monitor and your timing.  If you don't
have enough vertical front porch and you use XOR composite sync you can
get even/odd tearing at the top of the screen, which is very sensitive
to the HHOLD control.  It looks like what you would expect if you
scanned the even fields (say) onto a sheet of mylar and had pinched the
upper left corner with your fingers and started to tear it off the tube.
With proper composite sync (equalizing pulses) the interlace is rock
solid.


Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN
CONTEXT?  If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again.
It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals
to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles.


Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor.
I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip.
Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS
slot.  Is that true?


THE WHITE HOUSE

                  Office of the Press Secretary
_________________________________________________________________

For Immediate Release                        April 15, 1993

 AMERICAN UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT JOSEPH DUFFEY NAMED TO HEAD USIA,
        MICA TO CHAIR BOARD FOR INTERNATIONAL BROADCASTING

Washington, D.C. -  President Clinton today announced his
intention to nominate American University President and former
State Department Assistant Secretary Joseph Duffey to be Director
of the United States Information Agency. The President also
designated Daniel Mica Chairman of the Board for International
Broadcasting.

     "Joe Duffey's expertise in the fields of education,
communications and foreign affairs is vast and will serve him
well as he takes the helm at USIA and works to promote the ideals
of democracy and freedom abroad," the President said.

     President of American University in Washington, D.C. since
1991, Duffey previously served nine years as Chancellor and
President of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. In 1977
he served as Assistant Secretary of State, Education and Cultural
Affairs in the State Department. Duffey served as Chairman of the
National Endowment for the Humanities under both Presidents
Carter and Reagan.

     In 1978 and 1980, Duffey served as a United States delegate
to the General Conference of the United Nations Educational,
Scientific and Cultural Organization. In 1991, Duffey served as
joint head of the U.S. Delegation observing national elections in
Ethiopia.

     USIA, which celebrates its 40th anniversary this year, is an
independent foreign affairs agency within the executive branch
that explains and supports U.S. foreign policy and national
security interests abroad through a wide range of information
programs. Among the agency's programs are the Fulbright academic
program, Voice of America, the Worldnet satellite television
system and a network of overseas libraries and cultural centers.
The agency has more than 210 posts in more than 140 countries.

                              (more)
Press Release
pg. 2

     Mica becomes Chairman of the Board for International
Broadcasting after serving as a member of the board since 1991.

     "Dan Mica has done an excellent job on the Board of
International Broadcasting and I expect he will continue as
chairman to promote the cause of democracy abroad," the President
said.

     Biographical sketches of the appointees follow:

Joseph Duffey has served as President of American University
since 1991. Prior to his tenure at American, Duffey served as
Chancellor and President of the University of Massachusetts at
Amherst (1982 - 91) and as a Guest Scholar at the Brookings
Institution (1982). He served as Chairman of the National
Endowment for the Humanities from 1977 - 82 and as Assistant
Secretary of State, Education and Cultural Affairs with the
Department of State in 1977. Duffey holds 14 honorary degrees
from American colleges and universities. In 1980 he was named
Commander of the Order of the Crown by the King of Belgium and he
has been a member of the Council of Foreign Relations since 1979.
Duffey received a BA from Marshall University in 1954, a BD from
the Andover Newton Theological School in 1958, a STM from Yale
University in 1963 and a Ph.D. from the Harvard Seminary
Foundation in 1969. Duffey is a member of the National Business-
Higher Education Forum and a founder and co-chairman of the
Western Massachusetts Economic Development Conference. Duffey is
married to Anne Wexler and has four sons.

Daniel Mica is a former U.S. Representative from the 14th
District of Florida and has served on the Board of International
Broadcasting since 1991. During his tenure in Congress from 1979
- 89 he served on the House Committee on Foreign Relations and
was appointed by President Reagan as the Congressional
Representative to the United Nations.


Applied Engineering makes a NuBus card called the QuadraLink which is
a board that contains 4 serial ports, which I believe can be used
simultaneously.  I'm not a user of one of these, but I have installed
a couple for people at work (I'm a technician).  Hope this helps.


You need to hop over to talk.politics.misc. Wee have been chewing on this gem
for awhile. The challenge has been made to name a single supply sider who
ever said this. For the last three weeks the challenge has gone unmet.
I issue the same challenge to you.


Can someone point me in the direction of any papers (not necessarily
formally conducted studies) discussing how much traffic X apps generate
for the network, particularly in comparison with curses-bases apps
over telnet?  Also, does an X server typically buffer up user keyboard
input a line at a time?  Can the X client control this, asking for
keystrokes immediately?  Thanks in advance for any feedback!


Hopefully, a miracle (o.k. not quite a miracle, but close!) will occur and
Pittsburgh will be elminated prior to the finals.  If they make it again,
they will probably keep the Cup.  If they don't, it's the Hawks' turn!

GO BLACKHAWKS!!

CONGRATS TO JEREMY ROENICK FOR BEING ONLY THE 2ND HAWKS PLAYER TO POST
BACK TO BACK 50 GOAL SEASONS!!


Apple just released the Quicktime volume of the new Inside Macintosh series.
Any bookstore with reasonable technical stock should have it.


First off, with all these huge software packages and files that
they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit).
Second, (rumor is) Microsoft recognizes the the importance of SCSI
and will support it soon. I'm just not sure if it's on DOS, Win, or NT.
At any rate, the deal is with Corel who makes (I hear) a good
cohesive set of SCSI drivers.

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Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5
 million Muslim people)

p. 193.

"Their [Muslim] villages were destroyed and they themselves were slain or
 driven out of the country."

p. 218.

"We Armenians did not spare the Tartars. If persisted in, the slaughtering
 of prisoners, the looting, and the rape and massacre of the helpless become
 commonplace actions expected and accepted as a matter of course.

 I have been on the scenes of massacres where the dead lay on the ground,
 in numbers, like the fallen leaves in a forest. They had been as helpless
 and as defenseless as sheep. They had not died as soldiers die in the
 heat of battle, fired with ardor and courage, with weapons in their hands,
 and exchanging blow for blow. They had died as the helpless must, with
 their hearts and brains bursting with horror worse than death itself."

Serdar Argic


  Complete Q700 are best obtained from your dealer or some recent
copy of MacWorld or MacUser.  My foggy memory suggests that the most relevant
comparison factors vis-a-vis a IIci are as follows:

  25 MHz 68040
  16 Mhz data path (don't recall this for sure, but it's slower
      than Q 950 style machines for sure).
  Ethertalk card on-board
  Audio in/out
  4 MB RAM on motherboard
  4 SIMM slots
  2 NuBus slots.
  More flexible build-in video than the CI.  Uses VRAM.

In comparison, a IIci with an accelerator won't give you
  audio or ethernet  or the same video options.
  With a 68040 accelerator, CPU performance can be comparable but I
  think it ends up costing more.


Can anyone help me find any information on the drug Prozac?  I am writing
a report on the inventors , Eli Lilly and Co., and the product.  I need as
much help as I can get.   Thanks a lot, Adriana Gilmete.


	The *POWER* of the word processor and a stamp at work.
The fact that around here the state rep generally lives no more than
nine miles from any constituent doesn't hurt, either.


Is erythromycin effective in treating pneumonia?


Just a shot here, but ya never know:

I once bought a (REAL) cheap equalizer / power amp for my car tape player
at one of those motel-room truckload sales, and it sounded great.  For a
while, that is.  Then one channel quit entirely.  I opened it up, and the
amplifier chip for the bad channel had simply melted some of its solder
joints attaching it to the PCB.  I soldered them back and it worked fine.
I just had to keep the volume a bit lower than I did before.  Probably
lousy heat sinking.

You said "a nice Alpine" which I'm sure is a few orders of mag higher
in quality than the P.O.S. I had.  But the point is - look inside before
you scrap it, since you OCCASIONALLY find something you can repair.
Maybe even the same thing I found.


Hi

I am trying to implement a pointer feature in Xlib

I have multiple windows and all can take input and
show output simultaneously on all other displays

I want to implement a pointer feature

I would like to get the pointer to come up on all windows once
I choose pointer in the menu and every one should be able
to see it

Can you give me some hints as to how I should proceed
I am new to Xlib

replies will be greatly appreciated

Thank you


: As the subject says - Can I use a 4052 for digital signals?  I don't see
: why it couldn't handle digital signals, but I could be wrong.  Anyone have
: any advice?  Thanks.

The switches have a non-negligable on resistance (up to 1k ohm when
powered by 5 volts) and a maximum current and a Maximum Static
Voltage Across Switch.  Not a good bet for TTL.  Should work for
CMOS, but slow things down a bit.  There are 74HC versions that
have better specs. but lower max voltage.


I'd have to say that I have a problem with any organization,
religious or not, where the idea that _simple speech_ such
as this is the basis for a crime.


True rumor.  Fact!  A big three way deal!

Eric Lindros going to Ottawa Senators.  And Senators get $15mill from
Montreal.

Montreal gets Alexander Daigle (the first round pick from Senators)

Philly gets Damphousse, Bellow, Patrick Roy and a draft pick.


Really!?

Methinks somethings wrong with _your_ bike.

Perhaps you meant _pull_?

Pushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left.

It should.
REally.

I'm sure others will take up the slack...


I have a friend who has a very pronounced slouch of his upper back. He
always walks and sits this way so I have concluded that he is
hunchback.
Is this a genetic disorder, or is it something that people can correct.
i.e. is it just bad posture that can be changed with a bit of will
power?


I must correct the following in my previous posting:

: If you are trying to be objective, you must also recognise that
:
: 1) the gospels are not independent sources, on the contrary, they
: share much of the same material

I should have been a bit more careful here - the gospels not only
tell us about the same events, they usually use the same wordings.
Textual analyses show that Matthew and Luke probably had a common
source, which may have influenced Mark, too.

Petri


My online Bible is on a CD, but I don't own a CD-ROM system for the
time being, so I can't search for the famous cite where Jesus explicitly
states that he didn't want to break existing (Jewish) laws. In other
words technically speaking Christians should use Saturday and not Sunday
as their holy day, if they want to conform to the teachings of Jesus.

Cheers,
Kent


The COSE announcement specifies that Motif will become the common
GUI. But what does this mean exactly?

- Do they mean that all "COSE-complient" apps will have the Motif
  look and feel?

- Do they mean that all "COSE-complient" apps will use the Motif
  toolkit API?

- Do they mean both of the above?

- Is it possible that there will be a Motif-API complient toolkit with
  an OpenLook Look & Feel?

- How about an OLIT/XView/OI/Interviews API toolkit with a Motif L & F?
  (I know OI already does this, but will this be considered COSE-complient?)

- Will there be more than one "standard" toolkit API or L & F supported?

- How does using ToolTalk fit in with Motif?

This is my attempt to start a discussion in order to pull as much
knowledge about these questions off the net... Feel free to e-mail
or followup.

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Close. My mother comes from Gainesville Tex, right across the border.
They claim to be the chigger capitol of the world, and I believe them.
When I grew up in Fort Worth it was bad enough, but in Gainesville
in the summer an attack was guaranteed.