(Deletion)

No it in the way it is usually used. In my view, you are saying here that
driving a car requires faith that the car drives.

For me it is a conclusion, and I have no more faith in it than I have in the
premises and the argument used.

No, that's a word game. The term god is used in a different way usually.
When you use a different definition it is your thing, but until it is
commonly accepted you would have to say the way I define god is ... and
that does not exist, it is existence itself, so I say it does not exist.

Interestingly, there are those who say that "existence exists" is one of
the indubitable statements possible.

Further, saying god is existence is either a waste of time, existence is
already used and there is no need to replace it by god, or you are implying
more with it, in which case your definition and your argument so far
are incomplete, making it a fallacy.

(Deletion)
(Deletion)

Where does that follow? Aren't observations based on the assumption
that something exists?

And wouldn't you say there is a level of definition that the assumption
"god is" is meaningful. If not, I would reject that concept anyway.


The si has a single expansion slot, that can be either PDS or Nubus, but not
both together. The card lies parallel to and above the motherboard & HD and
requires an adaptor slot to do this. There are Nubus and PDS adaptort cards.
Thus, what kind of slots you have depends on what kind of adapter card you
have. With the exception of the Radius rocket, all NuBus cards I know of work
in the si. PDS slots and thus cards are Mac specific, thus not all PDS cards
work in all Macs.


I am a student at UW-Eau Claire.  I am doing a paper an witches and wanted to
get your point of view.  I will not use you name unless you specifically tell
me to do so.

Please answer this question:

As a Christian, are you offended by witches and Wiccan?  Do you feel that tehy
are pagan in the evil sense of the word?

You time and cooperation is appreciated.  Thanks, J.

-This survey is being conducted in partial fulfillment of the course
requirements for Engl 201, taught by Karen Welch at the University of
Wisconsin-Eau Claire.  This course is in compliance with the course
certification requirements of the University Institutional Review Board for the
PRotection of Human Subjects.


This is a test. Thanks.


A few points about Mary's being taken into heaven at the end of her life on
earth:

One piece of evidence for Mary's assumption into heaven is the fact
that no Christian church ever claimed to be the sight where she was
buried. Some Christian churches claimed to be located at the final
resting places of Peter, Mark, and other saints, but no one ever
claimed to possess the body of Mary, the greatest of the saints. Why?
Because everyone knew that she had been taken up into heaven.

Although there is no definitive scriptural proof for the assumption of
Mary, some passages seem suggestive, like the passage in Revelation
that describes a woman giving birth to a Son and later being crowned
in the heavens. Of course, the woman in this passage has other
interpretations; she can also be taken a symbol for the Church.

The assumption of Mary makes sense because of her relationship to
Christ.  Jesus, perfect God and perfect man, fulfilled the
requirements of the law perfectly.  Under the law God gave to us, we
are to honor our mother and father, and Christ's act of taking his
mother into heaven is part of his fulfillment of that law. Also, he
took his flesh from her, so it seems appropriate that he decide not to
allow her flesh to rot in the grave.

One last point: an ex-Catholic attempted to explain Catholic doctrine
on the assumption by asserting it is connected to a belief that Mary
did not die. This is not a correct summary of what Catholics believe.
The dogma of the assumption was carefully phrased to avoid saying
whether Mary did or did not die. In fact, the consensus among Catholic
theologians seems to be that Mary in fact did die. This would make
sense: Christ died, and his Mother, who waited at the foot of the
cross, would want to share in his death.


Hello,

I'm writing a paper on the role of the catholic church in Poland after 1989.
Can anyone tell me more about this, or fill me in on recent books/articles(
in english, german or french). Most important for me is the role of the
church concerning the abortion-law, religious education at schools,
birth-control and the relation church-state(government). Thanx,


It's quite simple; the code is the week and year of manufacture.


It means that the EFF's public stance is complicated with issues irrelevant
to the encryption issue per se. There may well be people who care about
the encryption issue who don't care to associate themselves with the
network erotica issue (or may even disagree with the EFF's position).


Hello,

  I have seen two common threads running through postings by atheists on the
newsgroup, and I think that they can be used to explain each other.
Unfortunately I don't have direct quotes handy...

1) Atheists believe that when they die, they die forever.

2) A god who would condemn those who fail to believe in him to eternal death
   is unfair.

  I don't see what the problem is!  To Christians, Hell is, by definition,
eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die.  There's no
reason Hell has to be especially awful--to most people, eternal death is bad
enough.
  Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since
the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such.  Personally, I don't think
that people in Hell will be thrust into flame any more than I expect to Jesus
with a double-edged sword issuing from his mouth--I treat both these statements
as metaphorical.


I had the exact same failure with the 24X and Word for Windows.
A quick call to Microsoft indicated it was problem with the
24X drivers. You need to call Diamond and get the new drivers,
I think version 2.03 fixes the above problem, there may be later
versions that I'm unaware of...


:Thanks for all your assistance. I'll see if he can try a
:different brand of patches, although he's tried two brands
:already. Are there more than two?

The brands I can come up with off the top of my head are Nicotrol,
Nicoderm and Habitrol.  There may be a fourth as well.


There is the Army Ballistic Missile Defense Organization.

They were the precursors to SDIO.  and still exist under
that umbrella.  Army Signal Corp's  and DCA  defense Comm Agency
oops  DISA, they just changed names  do space work.  that's
the point of all those defense comm sats.


Todays New York TImes just wrote about a pact being negotiated
between us and the Russians  to develope  High Temperature
Gas Cooled Fission Reactors using Re-Cycled Weapons Grade plutonium
from Warhead stockpiles.   THe fuel will be pelletized in ceramic
for safety,  and then after depletion will be sufficiently
contaminated with by-products to make extraction of the remaining
plutonium hazardous enough to deter re-use.

Apparently the project will be led by General Atomics of San Diego
with funding from the US GOvernment.  THe pilot plant will be built
and operated by the russians.


5.25" Internal Low density disk drive.

Monochrome monitor

8088 motherboard, built in parallel and serial ports, built in mono and
color output, 7Mhz.

Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat.


Continuously, on this forum, and on the street, you find quite a difference
between the opinions of what motorcycling is to different individuals.
Cruiser-bike riders have a different view of motorcycling than those of sport bike riders
(what they like and dislike about motorcycling). This is not closed-minded.
To NOT RECOGNIZE this, is in effect, close-minded.

I scan it for information, a lot of it is NOISE and pointless flame-age.
(it's why I used trn, instead of rn)

If you have a problem with that, I'm really sorry for you..

--
=> Dan DeClerck                        | EMAIL: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com     <=
=> Motorola Cellular APD               |                                  <=
=>"Friends don't let friends wear neon"| Phone: (708) 632-4596            <=


My brother has been alienated from my parents and me since shortly after
his marriage to a domineering and insecure woman, about twelve years ago.
We've kept things on a painfully polite, Christmas-card sort of level
for most of this time. Attempts to see each other end disastrously, with
his wife throwing a screaming fit and storming out over either our imagined
slights to her, or his inattention or insensitivity to her (I mean, this'll
happen by the end of a single restaurant meal). He seems, from what I've
seen, to live in a state of quivering anxiety, hoping futilely to keep
the next storm from breaking. He has sacrificed not only meaningful contact
with us but also other friends and outside interests. Now, this is his
choice, and I need to accept it even if I deplore it. But it's hard.
   From time to time I've wanted to drop the pretense that we have a
relationship--by cutting off contact--or trying to have a real if painful
relationship, by talking honestly with him, but I've always thought, "Why
be dramatic? And you know he'll only get evasive and then find some excuse
to get off the phone. Just leave the door open, in case he ever decides to
come back." It's been an unsatisfying choice, to allow us to go on
with the superficial trappings of a relationship, but it was the best I
could think of.
   Now, this weekend, my mother finally decided that she wasn't going
to pretend any more and has cut off relations with them. This was the
outcome of a phone conversation in which my sister-in-law screamed and
raved at my mother, blaming her for everything wrong in their lives, and
in which my brother evaded, temporized, claimed the situation was
beyond his control, and as always expected my mother to make all the
allowances and concessions. Mom said she would not, that she would not
quietly take abuse any more, and that if these were the terms of their
relationship, she didn't want to talk to or see them any more. And she hung
up. (I have never seem my mother lose her temper, and I think that this is
the first time she's ever hung up on someone.) Mom says she feels as if
she's divorced my brother, and that it's a relief in some ways to have the
break out in the open and done with.

    I have mixed feelings. I'm proud of Mom for sticking up for herself;
angry at my brother and sister-in-law for hurting her, for being jerks, for
persisting in such a wretched life, which hurts us all and is warping their
children; angry at my sister-in-law for being so hateful, and angry at my
brother for being a coward and having so little respect for himself or us
that he's willing to throw us aside and use up all his energy trying to
appease an unappeasable,
emotionally disturbed woman; pained for their children, who are a mess;
scared for the future, since this marks the time when either things will
change and improve or the break will become irrevocable; nastily self-
righteous over this bit of proof that they can't "get away" with treating
us or each other this way, and then disgusted with myself for even
beginning to gloat over others' misery; and finally, mostly, sad, sad,
sad, to see my parents hurt and my brother and sister-in-law trapped in
a horrible, destructive situation that they can't see a way out of--or
they can't bear to take whatever paths they do see. And I'm frustrated
because I don't know what if anything to do, and doing nothing drives me
up the wall. I try to pray, about my own feelings of rage, impotence,
and vindictiveness, and about their situation, but I am not
free of the desire to *DO* something concrete. (The desire to *DO*
something, to define a problem and fix it, is one of my besetting
vices; I'm having a terrible time quieting down my internal
mental chatter enough to listen for God.)
  Do you thoughtful and kind people on the net have advice for me? Is
this a time to reach out to my brother? To let things be? How can I
conquer my rage AT him enough to be there FOR him?

Here's the big question I've been evading throughout this long, long
post: Is it ok, as a Christian and a proponent of faith, hope, and
charity, to accept the destruction of a relationship? To give up on
my own brother, or at least to accept that I am powerless to help him
and can only wait and see what happens? Do please answer--by e-mail or
post.

Thank you.


Hey, does anybody know anything about Leading Technology Computers??

I have a Leading Technology 6000SX and need a new mother board for it.

Does anybody know where I can get one.


Archive-name: typing-injury-faq/software
Version: 1.8, 7th December 1992

This FAQ is actually maintained by Richard Donkin <richardd@hoskyns.co.uk>.
I post it, along with the other FAQ stuff.  If you have questions, you want
to send mail to Richard, not me.  -- Dan

		    Software Tools to help with RSI
		    -------------------------------

This file describes tools, primarily software, to help prevent or manage RSI.
This version now includes information on such diverse tools as calendar
programs and digital watches...

Please let me know if you know any other tools, or if you have information
or opinions on these ones, and I will update this FAQ.

I am especially interested in getting reviews of these products from people
who have evaluated them or are using them.

Richard Donkin
Internet mail: richardd@hoskyns.co.uk
Tel: +44 71 814 5708 (direct)
Fax: +44 71 251 2853

Changes in this version:

     Added information on StressFree, another typing management tool
     for Windows.

TYPING MANAGEMENT TOOLS: these aim to help you manage your keyboard use,
by warning you to take a break every so often.  The better ones also include
advice on exercises, posture and workstation setup.  Some use sound hardware to

warn of a break, others use beeps or screen messages.

Often, RSI appears only after many years of typing, and the pain has
a delayed action in the short term too: frequently you can be typing
all day with little problem and the pain gets worse in the evening.
These tools act as an early warning system: by listening to their
warnings and taking breaks with exercises, you don't have to wait for your
body to give you a more serious and painful warning - that is, getting RSI.

    Tool: At Your Service (commercial software)
    Available from:
	Bright Star
	Tel: +1 (206) 451 3697
    Platforms: Mac (System 6.0.4), Windows
    Description:
	Provides calendar, keyboard watch, email watch, and system info.
	Warns when to take a break (configurable).  Has a few recommendations
	on posture, and exercises.  Sound-oriented, will probably work best
	with sound card (PC) or with microphone (Mac).  Should be possible
	to record your own messages to warn of break.

    Tool: AudioPort (sound card and software)
    Available from:
	Media Vision
	Tel: +1 (510) 226 2563
    Platforms: PC
    Description:
	A sound card to plug into your PC parallel port.
	Includes 'At Your Service'.

    Tool: Computer Health Break (commercial software)
    Available from:
	Escape Ergonomics, Inc
	1111 W. El Camino Real
	Suite 109
	Mailstop 403
	Sunnyvale, CA
	Tel: +1 (408) 730 8410
    Platforms: DOS
    Description:
	Aimed at preventing RSI, this program warns you to take
	breaks after a configurable interval, based on clock time, or
	after a set number of keystrokes -- whichever is earlier.
	It gives you 3 exercises to do each time, randomly selected from
	a set of 70.  Exercises are apparently tuned to the type of work
	you do - data entry, word processing, information processing.
	Exercises are illustrated and include quite a lot of text on
	how to do the exercise and on what exactly the exercise does.

	CHB includes hypertext information on RSI that you can use
	to learn more about RSI and how to prevent it.  Other information
	on non-RSI topics can be plugged into this hypertext viewer.
	A full glossary of medical terms and jargon is included.

	CHB can be run in a DOS box under Windows, but does not then
	warn you when to take a break; it does not therefore appear
	useful when used with Windows.

	Cost: $79.95; quantity discounts, site licenses.

    Comments:
	The keystroke-counting approach looks good: it seems better
	to measure the activity that is causing you problems than to
	measure clock time or even typing time.  The marketing stuff
	is very good and includes some summaries of research papers,
	as well as lots of arguments you can use to get your company
	to pay up for RSI management tools.

    Tool: EyerCise (commercial software)
    Available from:
	RAN Enterprises
	One Woodland Park Dr.
	Haverhill, MA  01830, US
	Tel: 800-451-4487 (US only)
    Platforms: Windows (3.0/3.1), OS/2 PM (1.3/2.0) [Not DOS]
    Description:
	Aimed at preventing RSI and eye strain, this program warns you to take
	breaks after a configurable interval (or at fixed times). Optionally
	displays descriptions and pictures of exercises - pictures are
	animated and program beeps you to help you do exercises at the
	correct rate.  Includes 19 stretches and 4 visual training
	exercises, can configure which are included and how many repetitions
	you do - breaks last from 3 to 7 minutes.  Also includes online help
	on workplace ergonomics.

	Quote from their literature:

	"EyerCise is a Windows program that breaks up your day with periodic
	sets of stretches and visual training exercises.  The stretches work
	all parts of your body, relieving tension and helping to prevent
	Repetitive Strain Injury.  The visual training exercises will improve
	your peripheral vision and help to relieve eye strain.  Together these
	help you to become more relaxed and productive."

	"The package includes the book _Computers & Visual Stress_ by Edward C.
	Godnig, O.D. and John S. Hacunda, which describes the ergonomic setup
	for a computer workstation and provides procedures and exercises to
	promote healthy and efficient computer use.

	Cost: $69.95 including shipping and handling, quantity discounts
	for resellers.  Free demo ($5 outside US).

    Comments:
	I have a copy of this, and it works as advertised: I would say
	it is better for RSI prevention than RSI management, because it
	does not allow breaks at periods less than 30 minutes.  Also, it
	interrupts you based on clock time rather than typing time, which
	is not so helpful unless you use the keyboard all day.  Worked OK on
	Windows 3.0 though it did occasionally crash with a UAE - not sure
	why. Also refused to work with the space bar on one PC, and has
	one window without window controls.  Very usable though, and does not
	require any sound hardware.

    Tool: Lifeguard (commercial software)
    Available from:
	Visionary Software
	P.O. Box 69447
	Portland, OR  97201, US
	Tel: +1 (503) 246-6200
    Platforms: Mac, DOS (Windows version underway)
    Description:
	Aimed at preventing RSI.  Warns you to take a break
	with dialog box and sound.  Includes a list of exercises
	to do during breaks, and information on configuring your
	workstation in an ergonomic manner.  Price: $59;
	quantity discounts and site licenses.  The DOS product is
	bought in from another company, apparently; not sure how
	equivalent this is to the Mac version.

	The Mac version got a good review in Desktop Publisher
	Magazine (Feb 1991).  Good marketing stuff with useful
	2-page summaries of RSI problems and solutions, with
	references.

    Tool: StressFree (commercial software, free usable demo)
    Available from:
	LifeTime Software
	P.O. Box 87522
	Houston
	Texas 77287-7522, US
	Tel: 800-947-2178 (US only)
	Fax: +1 (713) 474-2067
	Mail: 70412.727@compuserve.com

	Demo (working program but reduced functions) available from:
	    Compuserve: Windows Advanced Forum, New Uploads section, or
			Health and Fitness Forum, Issues At Work section.
	    Anon FTP:   ftp.cica.indiana.edu (and mirroring sites)

    Platforms: Windows (3.0/3.1) (Mac and DOS versions underway)
    Description:
	Aimed at preventing RSI, this program warns you to take
	breaks after a configurable interval (or at fixed times).
	Displays descriptions and pictures of exercises - pictures are
	animated and program paces you to help you do exercises at the
	correct rate.  Quite a few exercises, can configure which ones
	are included to some extent.  Online help.

	Version 2.0 is out soon, Mac and DOS versions will be based
	on this.

	Cost: $29.95 if support via CompuServe or Internet, otherwise $39.95.
              Site license for 3 or more copies is $20.00 each.
	      (NOTE: prices may have gone up for V2.0).

    Comments:
	I have had a play with this, and it works OK.  Its user interface
	design is much better in 2.0, though still a bit unusual.
	expensive tool around and it does the job.  It is also the only
	tool with a redistributable demo, so if you do get the demo, post it
	on your local bulletin boards, FTP servers and Bitnet servers!
	Does not include general info on RSI and ergonomics, but it does
	have the ability to step backward in the exercise sequence,
	which is good for repeating the most helpful exercises.

    Tool: Typewatch (freeware), version 3.8 (October 1992)
    Available from:
	Email to richardd@hoskyns.co.uk
	Anonymous ftp: soda.berkeley.edu:pub/typing-injury/typewatch.shar
    Platforms: UNIX (tested on SCO, SunOS, Mach; character and X Window mode)
    Description:
	This is a shell script that runs in the background and warns you
	to stop typing, based on how long you have been continuously
	typing.  It does not provide exercises, but it does check
	that you really do take a break, and tells you when you
	can start typing again.

	Typewatch now tells you how many minutes you have been typing
	today, each time it warns you, which is useful so you
	know how much you *really* type.  It also logs information
	to a file that you can analyse or simply print out.

	The warning message appears on your screen (in character mode),
	in a pop-up window (for X Windows), or as a Zephyr message
	(for those with Athena stuff).   Tim Freeman <tsf@cs.cmu.edu>
	has put in a lot of bug fixes, extra features and support for
	X, Zephyr and Mach.

	Not formally supported, but email richardd@hoskyns.co.uk
	(for SCO, SunOS, character mode) or tsf@cs.cmu.edu (for Mach,
	X Window mode, Zephyr) if you have problems or want to give
	feedback.

    Tool: Various calendar / batch queue programs
    Available from:
	Various sources
    Platforms: Various
    Description:
	Any calendar/reminder program that warns you of an upcoming
	appointment can be turned into an ad hoc RSI management tool.
	Or, any batch queue submission program that lets you submit
	a program to run at a specific time to display a message to
	the screen.

	Using Windows as an example: create a Calendar file, and
	include this filename in your WIN.INI's 'load=' line so
	you get it on every startup of Windows.  Suppose you
	want to have breaks every 30 minutes, starting from 9 am.
	Press F7 (Special Time...) to enter an appointment, enter
	9:30, hit Enter, and type some text in saying what the break
	is for.  Then press F5 to set an alarm on this entry, and repeat
	for the next appointment.

	By using Windows Recorder, you can record the keystrokes
	that set up breaks throughout a day in a .REC file.  Put this
	file on your 'run=' line, as above, and you will then, with
	a single keypress, be able to set up your daily appointments
	with RSI exercises.

	The above method should be adaptable to most calendar programs.
	An example using batch jobs would be to submit a simple job
	that runs at 9:30 am and warns you to take a break; this will
	depend a lot on your operating system.

	While these approaches are not ideal, they are a good way of forcing
	yourself to take a break if you can't get hold of a suitable RSI
	management tool.  If you are techie enough you might want to
	write a version of Typewatch (see above) for your operating
	system, using batch jobs or whatever fits best.

    Tool: Digital watches with count-down timers
    Available from:
	Various sources, e.g. Casio BP-100.
    Description:
	Many digital watches have timers that count down from a settable
	number of minutes; they usually reset easily to that number, either
	manually or automatically.

	While these are a very basic tool, they are very useful if you
	are writing, reading, driving, or doing anything away from
	a computer which can still cause or aggravate RSI.  The great
	advantage is that they remind you to break from whatever you
	are doing.

    Comments:
	My own experience was that cutting down a lot on my typing led to
	my writing a lot more, and still reading as much as ever, which
	actually aggravated the RSI in my right arm though the left
	arm improved.  Getting a count-down timer watch has been
	very useful on some occasions where I write a lot in a day.

	I have tried an old fashioned hour-glass type egg timer, but
	these are not much good because they do not give an audible
	warning of the end of the time period!

KEYBOARD REMAPPING TOOLS: these enable you to change your keyboard mapping
so you can type one-handedly or with a different two-handed layout.
One-handed typing tools may help, but be VERY careful about how
you use them -- if you keep the same overall typing workload you
are simply doubling your hand use for the hand that you use for typing,
and may therefore make matters worse.

    Tool: hsh (public domain)
    Available from:
	Anonymous ftp: soda.berkeley.edu:pub/typing-injury/hsh.shar
    Platforms: UNIX (don't know which ones)
    Description:
	Allows one-handed typing and other general keyboard remappings.
	Only works through tty's (so, you can use it with a terminal or
	an xterm, but not most X programs).

    Tool: Dvorak keyboard tools (various)
    Available from:
	Anonymous ftp: soda.berkeley.edu:pub/typing-injury/xdvorak.c
	Also built into Windows 3.x.
    Description:
	The Dvorak keyboard apparently uses a more rational layout
	that involves more balanced hand use.   It *may* help prevent
	RSI a bit, but you can also use it if you have RSI, since
	it will slow down your typing a *lot* :-)


But what about second sources for pin-compatible non-Clipper algorithm
chips that also have escrowed keys?  If a "reputable firm" produces a
chip (with escrowed key) that is a pop-in replacement for the Clipper
chip in my phone, and uses an algorithm that is widely known and evaluated
and "trusted," then what's the problem?

The Clipper is going to be reverse engineered anyway by any organization
with sufficient resources (can you say "billions of cocaine dollars?") so
those drug dealers they're so worried about will be slipping through the
cracks.  We law-abiding (non-incredibly-wealthy) citizens, naturally, will
not have this recourse.  But claiming that the algorithm can't be
released to prevent people from using non-key-escrowed chips is plain
deceitful... analysis of the chip output will provide information on
the necessary headers and whatnot, so the "bad guys" could build chips
using a *different* algorithm and still not escrow their keys.

Or, they could just buy bunches of cheap phones at K-mart every week,
and play Swap-the-Clipper-Chip with their cellular phone every day.


Yes, and the idea was ripped off from Adobe, which has had a program
called  TypeAlign for a few years now.  TypeAlign does the same thing
for Adobe Type 1 fonts; *and* Adobe has said that the next version
will work with both Adobe Type 1 and TrueType.

And TypeAlign does some things that TrueEffects does not - including
some things you apparently want ...


On Sat, 17 Apr 1993 20:42:58 GMT, Greg Hennessy observed:
: #Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced ....

: Ah, ending discrimination is now fascism.

Is that what they called it when Truman forced integration of the
armed forces, despite the opposition of Congress and most of the
American public at that time?

--
Michael D. Adams          (starowl@a2i.rahul.net)          Enterprise, Alabama


Your "lite" posting for the day, from rec.humor.funny:

--


The restriction could have to do with the car being a convertible.

A lot of paronoid laws were passed concerning convertibles in the 80's.
These states may require greater rollover protection than the Capri affords.

               Thatch Harvey


Take this one step further ...

Never dilly-dally in that rear 1/4 of either side of a cage - when you pass
make it as POSITIVE as possible and if you can't pass fully, at least make
sure that if you attempt it you can make the driver aware of you by at least
getting into his area of vision.

This also applies to merging into another lane after making a pass - do it
as POSITIVELY as possible ... and what I "try" to do is look in the rear view
and then over my shoulder.  And after I've done that ACCELERATE into the
lane so that you have a speed cushion should you have missed seeing a
potential BDI that's trying to do the same thing as you ... or worse (ie:
he may have been behind you, saw you made the pass successfully but YOU aren't
GOING FAST ENOUGH to suite him so he tries to go around you on the right).

Ride with four eyes...

Rich


Finally got my computer fixed and I'd like to sum up.

About hard drive companies: the original 160 meg drive that was bad (bad
sector or something) was an IBM.  The new one is a Quantum.  Is the LCIII
supposed to be shipped with IBMs?  Is there a quality difference?
Apparently! :)

Second, about hard drive position.  I've put the LCIII on its side and
the new 160 HD has had no problems at all.  I've even switched back and
forth between horizontal and vertical and there are no problems.  As far
as I'm concerned I don't believe HD position is important for drives up
to 160 meg, in any computer.  Don't know about CD-ROM, though.

	"Just like everything else in life, the right lane ends in half a mile."


My Datadesk Mac 101E keyboard has similar problems. I have found that
holding down the RIGHT-HAND shift key at startup will work (disable
extensions), but the left-hand shift key won't (which is unfortunate, since
the left one is the one I instinctively reach for).

Similarly, I have trained myself to hold down the RIGHT-HAND pair of
command-option for desktop rebuilds.

I *is* irritating.

Cheers,
Michael.


I'm looking for a Cache card for my IIsi. I can spend $250 Max for it,
	what i need is 64 kb cache with a fpu socket and a dual slot adapter.
	Or at least a passe_through connector so i can keep my graphic card.
	I need your advice about the best card i can buy. How much performance
	increase i should expect, does the performance increase between the
	32 and 64 kb Cache worths the price difference ?. And what's the best
	price i can get for such a card (i really need to spare each possible
	$).
	I have an Ethernet card for the LC with fpu. I don't think it would
	work for the IIsi but the fpu is socketed. Do you think i can take the
	fpu out of the card and put it in the empty fpu socket ?. Would it work
	at 20 Mhz ?. If not, how much should i pay for an extra fpu ?.


It's hard to know what/who to believe.  However, the letter I received from
the BATF, in response to one I sent to Bentsen, said that there was a search
warrant AND an arrest warrant.


Does anyone know if the Dick Estelle who does the Radio Reader on NPR is one in
the same with the lefty who pitched briefly for the Jints in '64 & '65?

Just curious.

--->Paul, spending too much time reading the baseball encyclopedia
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
           We will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length

  paula@koufax.cv.hp.com   Paul Andresen  Hewlett-Packard  (503)-750-3511


I've been asking myself this same question for the past year, so, if/when
you find out, would you please share the magistic answer with me..

The way I see it right now, work twice as hard so you can have both.

cheers :)


Every aircraft has flight constraints for speed/AOA/power.  When
graphed, these define the 'flight envelope' of that aircraft,
presumably so named because the graphed line encloses (envelopes) the
area on the graph that represents conditions where the aircraft
doesn't fall out of the sky.  Hence, 'pushing the envelope' becomes
'operating at (or beyond) the edge of the flight (or operational)
envelope'.

Note that the envelope isn't precisely known until someone actually
flies the airplane in those regions -- up to that point, all there are
are the theoretical predictions.  Hence, one of the things test pilots
do for a living is 'push the envelope' to find out how close the
correspondence between the paper airplane and the metal one is -- in
essence, 'pushing back' the edges of the theoretical envelope to where
the airplane actually starts to fail to fly.  Note, too, that this is
done is a quite calculated and careful way; flight tests are generally
carefully coreographed and just what is going to be 'pushed' and how
far is precisely planned (despite occasional deviations from plans,
such as the 'early' first flight of the F-16 during its high-speed
taxi tests).

I'm sure Mary can tell you everything you ever wanted to know about
this process (and then some).

--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden


Can anyone please email a diagram or give me details of an ftp site where there
is a diagram of a simple, small fm mono voice transmitter for trasnmitting in
the 90-104 range (preferably above 100 Mhz). Only a short distance requiered,
and frequency variation no too important but must run from 9v or smaller DC
supply.

Thanx in advance

Monty.


Hi there netters,
I have a question I would very much like to see some discussion on:
Is there such a thing as a 'justifible' war?

What I would love to see it some basis from scripture for either: "All war
is wrong", or "Some war is justifiable".

To get things started I would like to outline why I am asking the
question. In my high school days I had been quite involved in the the New
Zealand Cadet Forces (This is a bit like ROTC from what I understand of
it, but with a lot more emphasis on fun than military career training).
Through this I became extremely enamoured of flying, have become involved
in the sport of gliding, and have a great interest in military aviation
hardware as the very best a 'real' flyer could ask for. My favourite
computer games are the accurate simulations of military aircraft, both
past and present.

I became a Christian about 10 years ago, and at the time rejected all
military activity as immoral. For me, all war was in complete opposition
to God's commandments to love one another, especially one's enemies.

During the war in Iraq, I found myself with great excitement listening to
the reports of the effectiveness of the the attacks using the aviation
technology I so admire - The F117A 'Stealh' bomber, the F14, F15 and F16
strike aircraft, etc. After the war concluded I began to really enjoy
simulations based around this conflict - Great to go and bomb Saddam's
bio-weapons plants in an F117A on my computer, or shoot down some of his
Mig's in an F16. The simulation of the death of people was a wonderful
game. I imagine the real pilots view the real thing in much the same way.
One only has to look at the language used to see that the personal impact
of war is ignored: A building containing people, or an aircraft flown by a
pilot is simply a 'target'. Dead civilians are 'collateral damage'. These
euphanisms are a way of removing the reality of war from the people whose
support are necessary for the continued waging of war - One only has to
look at Vietnam to see how important public opinion is.

Now we see troops sponsored by the United Nations entering Somalia, and
the prospect of military intervention in the Muslim/Croat/Serb conflict in
the former Yugoslavia. My revulsion in particular to the siege of
Sarajevo, and in the last few days of (sorry 'bout spelling) Sebrenitsa,
has caused me to rethink where I stand on 'justifiable' war.

I will list several wars in the last 50 years I can look at each, and say
- Yes this may have been justifible, this may not. These are simply my gut
reactions to each - In many cases with the benefit of the impartiality
history brings. Let me go through a few and state some of my reasons for
my reaction - I am not a historian, so excuse any historical blunders, I
am working from popular history as it is known in New Zealand.

1. The Second World War
	- Murder of Jews - Hitler had to be stopped.
	- Massive civilian casualties on both sides
		- Dresden, Hiroshima/Nagasaki
	- Probably justifiable.

2. Korean war
	- Political expansionism by North Korea, basically
	  communism vs. capitalism.
	- Probably not justifiable.

3. Vietnam
	- As above, worsened by US involvement.

4. Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia.
	- Genocide by Khmer Rouge.
	- Probably justifiable.

5. Iraq (Desert Storm)
	- Political expansionism, threat to world oil supply
	- Other factors such as genocide.
	- Not sure, but probably justifiable

6. A future involvement in Bosnia
	- Genocide - so called 'Ethnic Cleansing'
	- Emotive - much TV coverage of atrocities and civilian casualties.
	- Probably justifiable

7. Possible future use of nuclear weapons - tactical or strategic,
somewhere in the world by the US in response to someone else - e.g. Libya
or Israel.
	- My feelings in this are simple
	- Nuclear war/weapons are abhorrent
	- I love the New Zealand government's stand on banning all nuclear
	  armed or powered warships from NZ port.
	- Never justifiable.

These are my own views, I have looked at scripture, and I am confused. I
would appreciate others view, particularly those based on scripture. I
*don't* want a - Naaahh, yer wrong - I think answers 8-).

Thanks for your help.

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   "God loved the world so much, that he gave us His Son, to die in
    our place, so that we may have eternal life" John 3:16, paraphrase


I'm interested if anyone out here can point me towards a review of the
following book in any scholarly Christian journal, whether it be
conservative or liberal, Protestant or Catholic.

_The_Lost_Years_of_Jesus_ (documentary evidence for Jesus' 17 year
journey to the East), by Elizabeth Clare Prophet.  Supposedly this
is a theory that was refuted in the past, and she has re-examined it.

I thought this was just another novel book, but I saw it listed as
a text for a class in religious studies here.  Also, the endorsements seem
to come from some credible sources, so I'm wondering if scholars have
reviewed it (or anyone on the net, for that matter).


Celebrating in joy the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Muslim
people by your criminal grandparents between 1914 and 1920? Did you
think that you could cover up the genocide perpetrated by your fascist
grandparents against my grandparents in 1914? You've never heard of
'April 23rd'?

 "In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.
  It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us
  create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial
  life-support system of an imagined 'ethnic purity' that some of us
  falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats
  in this alien land."
            (Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - "Preserving the Armenian purity")

During the First World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920,
the Armenian Dictatorship through a premeditated and systematic
genocide, tried to complete its centuries-old policy of
annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering
2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from their 1,000 year
homeland.

The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance
of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people.
This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government
and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark
Bristol, William Langer, Ambassador Layard, James Barton, Stanford
Shaw, Arthur Chester, John Dewey, Robert Dunn, Papazian, Nalbandian,
Ohanus Appressian, Jorge Blanco Villalta, General Nikolayef, General
Bolkovitinof, General Prjevalski, General Odiselidze, Meguerditche,
Kazimir, Motayef, Twerdokhlebof, General Hamelin, Rawlinson, Avetis
Aharonian, Dr. Stephan Eshnanie, Varandian, General Bronsart, Arfa,
Dr. Hamlin, Boghos Nubar, Sarkis Atamian, Katchaznouni, Rachel
Bortnick, Halide Edip, McCarthy, W. B. Allen, Paul Muratoff and many
others.

J. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of
the Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University.

Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History,
Princeton University.

Halil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of
the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago.

Peter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark.

Stanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at
Los Angeles.

Thomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research
Institute, University of Pennsylvania.

Ronald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies,
University of Illinois.

Howard Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut.

Dankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political
Science, City University Graduate School, New York.

John Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History,
University of Chicago.

John Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of
California at Berkeley.

Alan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University.

Avigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University.

Andreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California
at Los Angeles.

Kathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.

Roderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University.

Walter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts.

Caesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota.

Tom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania.

Tibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.

Justin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville.

Jon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon).

Robert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky.

Madeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland.

James Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan.

.......so the list goes on and on and on.....

Serdar Argic


I have 5 full reels of Ampex 456 2" recording tape.  This tape was
used once at 15 ips and carefully stored.  All reel include an Ampex tape
band.  The tape has not been bulk erased to my knowledge.  The history of
the tape in know and available upon request.  JMAR in Toronto sells new
2" 456 for $260+tax (Canadian)  I would like $100CDN/reel which will include
postage.

Brett Maraldo
- Plexus Productions

ps.  The reels are 2500' long; standard thickness.


	Hmm...makes you wonder whether prayer "in Jesus' name" means
"saying Jesus' name" or whether we're simply to do all things with the
attitude that we belong to Jesus.
					Frank D.


The following items are for sale:

1)      ONKYO TX-901/910 reciever/amplifier. Only 2 months old.
        >PERFECT< condition. 45wpc (stereo), 4 speaker ability,
        40 channel memory, has digital and direct tuning also.
        Plus, it also have an earphone jack...
	Bought for $350 new. Asking for no less than $250; best
        offer gets it (obviously).
		        ...PRICE DROPPED TO $230...
      - No offers so far; what's the deal? No recievers needed? :(

2)	Two ZEOS IBM-External keyboards. Under a month old, bought
	for $90 each new; selling for $35 a piece, or $65 for both.

	I pay shipping.


Are you using Windows 3.0 or 3.1? If you're still on 3.0, 3.1 devotes about
twice as much memory to these and runs out much less frequently. If 3.1,
you might use one of the resource monitors (such as the one that comes with
the Windows 3.1 Resource Kit or one of the many shareware ones available)
to see which programs are hogging the resources (every icon, internal
graphics brush, etc. in every program running uses a certain amount of
this limited memory area. Also, some don't give it back when they're
finished).


   From THE TUFTS UNIVERSITY GUIDE TO TOTAL NUTRITION: Stanley Gershoff,
   Ph.D., Dean of Tufts University School of Nutrition; HarperPerennial, 1991
   (ISBN #0-06-272007-4):

	"The greatest hazard of barbecuing is that the cook will not use
	 enough caution and get burned.  Some people suggest that the
	 barbecuing itself is dangerous, because the smoke, which is
	 absorbed by the meat, contains benzopyrene, which, in its pure form,
	 has been known to cause cancer in laboratory animals.  However,
	 in order to experience the same results, people would have to
	 consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a
	 time."


Well, there is a fair amount of evidence floating around that indicates
that OTO has been around since at least the late 1800s, long before
Crowley ever heard of it, how long has AMORC been around? (yes, I know
that they claim to have existed as an organization clear into prehistory,
but I doubt that they have any organizational paperwork
as a non-profit that can be carbon-dated to 20,000 BC)
                                             A.Lizard


Is there a version of Wcl that has been ported to Solaris 2, including
ANSI C? I had numerous problems trying to compile Wcl under Solaris,
and the functions do not have prototypes.

I have Wcl 2.01 from the Sun User Group's 1992 CDs.

Please email answers as I am not on this list.


	What alternative would you suggest be taken to safeguard the
lives of Israeli citizens?

Adam
Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu


Note:  This file will also be available via anonymous file
transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and
via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717.
     ---------------------------------------------------

                         THE WHITE HOUSE

                  Office of the Press Secretary

_________________________________________________________________

For Immediate Release                           April 16, 1993

                STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY

The President today announced a new initiative that will bring
the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary
program to improve the security and privacy of telephone
communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law
enforcement.

The initiative will involve the creation of new products to
accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure
telecommunications networks and wireless communications links.

For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our
private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the
tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of
protecting Americans.  Rather than use technology to accommodate
the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and
law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against
industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement.

Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to
protect electronic funds transfer.  It is now being used to
protect electronic mail and computer files.  While encryption
technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the
unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used
by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals.

A state-of-the-art microcircuit called the "Clipper Chip" has
been developed by government engineers.  The chip represents a
new approach to encryption technology.  It can be used in new,
relatively inexpensive encryption devices that can be attached to
an ordinary telephone.  It scrambles telephone communications
using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in
commercial use today.

This new technology will help companies protect proprietary
information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations
and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted
electronically.  At the same time this technology preserves the
ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to
intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals.

A "key-escrow" system will be established to ensure that the
"Clipper Chip" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding
Americans.  Each device containing the chip will have two unique

                                2

"keys," numbers that will be needed by authorized government
agencies to decode messages encoded by the device.  When the
device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately
in two "key-escrow" data bases that will be established by the
Attorney General.  Access to these keys will be limited to
government officials with legal authorization to conduct a
wiretap.

The "Clipper Chip" technology provides law enforcement with no
new authorities to access the content of the private
conversations of Americans.

To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the
Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new
devices.  In addition, respected experts from outside the
government will be offered access to the confidential details of
the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report
their findings.

The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of
encryption's dual-edge sword:  encryption helps to protect the
privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield
criminals and terrorists.  We need the "Clipper Chip" and other
approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access
to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it
to hide their illegal activities.  In order to assess technology
trends and explore new approaches (like the key-escrow system),
the President has directed government agencies to develop a
comprehensive policy on encryption that accommodates:

     --   the privacy of our citizens, including the need to
          employ voice or data encryption for business purposes;

     --   the ability of authorized officials to access telephone
          calls and data, under proper court or other legal
          order, when necessary to protect our citizens;

     --   the effective and timely use of the most modern
          technology to build the National Information
          Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and
          the competitiveness of American industry in the global
          marketplace; and

     --   the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export
          high technology products.

The President has directed early and frequent consultations with
affected industries, the Congress and groups that advocate the
privacy rights of individuals as policy options are developed.

                                3

The Administration is committed to working with the private
sector to spur the development of a National Information
Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer
technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to
information.  This infrastructure of high-speed networks
("information superhighways") will transmit video, images, HDTV
programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone
system transmits voice.

Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important
role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act
quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding
its use.  The Administration is committed to policies that
protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting
them from those who break the law.

Further information is provided in an accompanying fact sheet.
The provisions of the President's directive to acquire the new
encryption technology are also available.

For additional details, call Mat Heyman, National Institute of
Standards and Technology, (301) 975-2758.

---------------------------------

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S
TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE

Q:   Does this approach expand the authority of government
     agencies to listen in on phone conversations?

A:   No.  "Clipper Chip" technology provides law enforcement with
     no new authorities to access the content of the private
     conversations of Americans.

Q:   Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on
     a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation
     encrypted using the device.  What would they have to do to
     decipher the message?

A:   They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a
     court order, to do the wiretap in the first place.  They
     would then present documentation of this authorization to
     the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and
     obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug
     smugglers.  The key is split into two parts, which are
     stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key
     escrow system.

Q:   Who will run the key-escrow data banks?

A:   The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent
     entities.  At this point, the Department of Justice and the
     Administration have yet to determine which agencies will
     oversee the key-escrow data banks.

Q:   How strong is the security in the device?  How can I be sure
     how strong the security is?

A:   This system is more secure than many other voice encryption
     systems readily available today.  While the algorithm will
     remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow
     system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of
     cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all
     potential users that there are no unrecognized
     vulnerabilities.

Q:   Whose decision was it to propose this product?

A:   The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the
     Commerce Department, and other key agencies were involved in
     this decision.  This approach has been endorsed by the
     President, the Vice President, and appropriate Cabinet
     officials.

Q:   Who was consulted?  The Congress?  Industry?

A:   We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on
     encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify
     as we carry out our review of encryption policy.  We have
     briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the
     decisions related to this initiative.

Q:   Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers?

A:   The government designed and developed the key access
     encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the
     microcircuits to product manufacturers.  Product
     manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip
     manufacturer that produces them.

Q:   Who provides the "Clipper Chip"?

A:   Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance,
     California, and will sell the chip to encryption device
     manufacturers.  The programming function could be licensed
     to other vendors in the future.

Q:   How do I buy one of these encryption devices?

A:   We expect several manufacturers to consider incorporating
     the "Clipper Chip" into their devices.

Q:   If the Administration were unable to find a technological
     solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be
     willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more
     powerful encryption devices?

A:   This is a fundamental policy question which will be
     considered during the broad policy review.  The key escrow
     mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product
     that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive
     than others readily available today, but it is just one
     piece of what must be the comprehensive approach to
     encryption technology, which the Administration is
     developing.

     The Administration is not saying, "since encryption
     threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement,
     we will prohibit it outright" (as some countries have
     effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that "every
     American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an
     unbreakable commercial encryption product."  There is a
     false "tension" created in the assessment that this issue is
     an "either-or" proposition.  Rather, both concerns can be,
     and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned,
     balanced approach such as is proposed with the "Clipper
     Chip" and similar encryption techniques.

Q:   What does this decision indicate about how the Clinton
     Administration's policy toward encryption will differ from
     that of the Bush Administration?

A:   It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption
     technology in telecommunications and computing and are
     committed to working with industry and public-interest
     groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans'
     privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law
     enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime
     and terrorism.

Q:   Will the devices be exportable?  Will other devices that use
     the government hardware?


	Typical statement from an irrational and brainwashed person.
The bible was written by some male chavnist thousands of years ago
(as were all of the "holy" books). Follow the parts that you think are
suitable for modern life. Ignore the others. For heaven's (!) sake don't
take it literally.

				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	So you think it is easy to be a Muslim? Or be a Buddhist?
The Buddha's commandments are 500 yrs older than Christ's and in
my opinion tougher to follow. Moreover the Buddha says that we are
intrinsically good (as against Christ's "we are all sinners").
 Only we allow ourselves to be distracted. By meditating we can awaken
ourselves (etc etc). Also there is no concept of God in Buddhism.
(In my opinion you can be an Atheist and a Buddhist).
But to "awaken" yourself is no easy task. Can you stay away from eating meat?
Can you sit still and think of nothing (meditate) for sometime everyday?
Buddhists do (or are supposed to). Can you pray five times a day?
Can you fast for a month every year (Ramzan). Are you willing
to give 1/6 th of your income as tithe? Muslims do. In fact I think
Jesus was an ordinary man (just as Buddha and Mohamed) probably with a
philosopy ahead of the times (where he lived).
Considering the fact that Christianity is a young religion
(compared to Hindiusm, Judaism, Zorasterism, Buddihsm) it is also very
probable that the Bible is merely a collection of borrowed ideas.
(There was a good deal of trade between the eastern lands and the
middle east at the time of Christ).
And perhaps some more. But leave the crap in it out ("woman was created
after man, to be his helper" etc).
aras

	When ever I turn on my TV there is this Pat Robertson and
other brain washers (Oh boy, what an act they put on!) with an
1-800 number to turn in your pledges.
God it seems is alive and well inside these boxes.


Indeed! Word is, Intel's lawsuit against AMD was absolutely THROWN OUT of
court Monday! AMD said they would be shipping chips WITH THE INTEL INSTRUCTION
SET next week!!! 486 chip prices are going to go through the floor,
mark my words!!!

Regards,
Gordon.


A developable surface is s.t. you can lay it (or roll it) flat on the
plane (it may require you to give it a "cut" though...)

E.g., a cylinder, a cone, a plane (of course!) or any surface or patch
having vanishing Gaussian (intrinsic) curvature (i.e., with singular
Hessian, the matrix of 2nd derivatives for an adequate coordinate patch)
are "developable". In more technical words, a developable surface is
"locally isometric to a plane" at all points.

Think also of the sphere (or the earth) which in a non-developable:
whatever way(s) you cut it, you will not be able to lay flat any pieces
of it... (its intrinsic curvature is nowhere vanishing).

For more details on this look at any book on differential geometry
which treats surfaces (2D manifolds); e.g., M. do Carmo's book:

@Book{Carmo76Differential,
  author =      {do Carmo, Manfredo P.},
  title =       {Differential Geometry of Curves and Surfaces},
  year =        1976,
  publisher =   {Prentice-Hall},
  note =        {503 pages.}}

Enjoy!


...

	Nearly all of them.  Witness LA>  Firemen are among our real
	heroes most of the time.  I wonder when they were actually
	aasked to come, or if they found out about the fire over the
	TV ....

	Shot at by whom?  prove it!

	When "law" replaces "justice" the system is dying or dead.
	Note that we had a small revolution 216 years ago on this
	point.

	Or perhaps just wait.
	Or maybeeven send in a few agents who are Christian to
		sit down and pray outside the line?  Try affinity
		rather than subversion?

	Chuckle.  SO would you if someone points a gun at you.
	At that point you can die or live; and if living means
	stayng in a building to keep badge carrying nuts off your
	kids, I suspect you might as well.

BOTH sides were wrong.

	Try again:  go see the movie Sophie's CHoice.
	Grow up.


In the bottom drawer I just found an old A+ mouse with a DB-9 (9-pin) plug.
I assume that it belonged to a deceased Plus or something.

Could any simple modification turn it into a proper ADB mouse?

Reply by mail, preferably.

Thanks!


My friends and I have a buch of books for sale. They are not
	being used due to change of job, loss of interest etc.

	Rather than letting them gather dust, we would like to pass them
	on to others who may use them (of course at a price :-)

	Topics Include:
	- C/C++/Other Programming Languages
	- UNIX/DOS/OS2/Windows/Other Operating System topics (General)
	- X/Motif/OLIT/Xwin
	- Networking and Digital Signal Processing
	- Computer Graphics
	- Microprocessors and Computer Architecture
	- Math
	- Software Engineering/Algorithms/Software Testing
	- Databases
	- Expert Systems

	The list is long and rather than posting it here I will email
	it by request.  I am going to keep the list updated and so will
	respond to all requests (lucky me :-)

	If you are interested drop me a line


I find it interesting that cls never answered any of the questions posed.
Then he goes on the make statements which make me shudder.  He has
established a two-tiered God.  One set of rules for the Jews (his people)
and another set for the saved Gentiles (his people).  Why would God
discriminate?  Does the Jew who accepts Jesus now have to live under the
Gentile rules.

God has one set of rules for all his people.  Paul was never against the
law.  In fact he says repeatedly that faith establishes rather that annuls
the law.  Paul's point is germane to both Jews and Greeks.  The Law can
never be used as an instrument of salvation.  And please do not combine
the ceremonial and moral laws in one.

In Matt 5:14-19 Christ plainly says what He came to do and you say He was
only saying that for the Jews's benefit.  Your Christ must be a
politician, speaking from both sides of His mouth.  As Paul said, "I have
not so learned Christ."  Forget all the theology, just do what Jesus says.
 Your excuses will not hold up in a court of law on earth, far less in
God's judgement hall.


Bill says ...

I presume the one you refer to is "Space Sailing" by Jerome L. Wright.  He
worked on solar sails while at JPL and as CEO of General Astronautics.  I'll
furnish ordering info upon request.

The Friedman book is called "Starsailing: Solar Sails and Interstellar Travel."
It was available from the Planetary Society a few years ago, I don't know if
it still is.


I am trying to put a 40MB drive from my LC into a case.  It is a Conner
CP3040A.  I can't figure out which jumpers are the SCSI ID jumpers.
Is anyone familiar with this drive?

At the end of the drive (oposite the 50 pin pibbon connector), there
are eleven pins which look like this:

        o o o o o   o   1
          o o o o   o   2

         L5  CR12   C37

where the "o" are pins, and the "L5 CR12 C37" represent some of the
silk screen notation near these pins.

Elsewhere on the board there are four jumper pads marked E1,E2,E3,E4
on the silk screen.

Does anyone know where the SCSI ID A0,A1,A2 pins are, and where the
drive activity light LED should be plugged into?

		-allan


Are you trying to say that there were no massacres in Deir Yassin
or in Sabra and Shatila? If so then let me tell you some good jokes:

There is not and was not any such thing like jewish killing in WWII

Palestinians just did what Davidians did for fourty years and more.

In fact no one was killed in any war at any time or any place.

People die that is all. No one gets killed.

Maybe also vietamiese didn't die in Vietnam war killed by american
napalm they were just pyromaniacs and that's all.

Maybe jews just liked gas chambers and no one forced them to get in there.they
may be thought it was like snifing cocaine. No?

What do you think of this ? Isn't it stupid to say so?
Well it is as stupid as what you said .Next time you want to lie do it
intelligently.

Sincerely yours.


Any info on modern 20MHZ or better dual trace scopes would be appreciated.
Should I buy a used one or a new one?  And where?

Please E-Mail.

Thanks in advance.

Ken


A member of the local BBS I frequent is looking for Mac oriented BBSs based in
Chicago.

Any leads would be most appreciated.


Yup! Ruins your sex life!

Tony


I have a  novell 2.0a that I will sell for $692 which can be upgraded to 3.11
for $460. The novell has complete documentation but no network cards except
the ID card.

--


Hello,

I'm trying to get X11R5 running on my PC and ran into the
following error message when trying to start the Xserver.

------
Setting TCP SO_DONTLINGER: Option not supported by protocol

X386 Version 1.2 / X Windows System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 5000)

Fatal server error
no screens found
giving up

xinit: software cased connection abort (errno 130): unable to connect
       to X xserver.

------

does anyone know what this error means ?
has anyone experienced this problem ?

help will be much appreciated

thanks in advance.

please send replies to <christy@alex.qc.ca>


I am looking at buying some Companion brand VLB/ISA/EISA motherboards with
HINT chipsets.  Has anybody had any experience with this board (good or bad)?
Any information would be helpful!

thanks


Well Sweden and Australia, and lord knows wherever else used to drive on
the "wrong" side of the road, so the export market might have been
larger then than just the UK.

By the 1920s, there was a very active "good roads" movement, which had
its origins actually in the 1890s during the bicycle craze, picked up
steam in the teens (witness the Linclon Highway Association, 1912 or so,
and the US highway support act (real name: something different) in 1916
that first pledged federal aid to states and counties to build decent
roads. Also, the experience of widespread use of trucks for domestic
transport during WW 1 convinced the government that good raods were
crucial to our national defense.  Anyway, by the 20s there were plenty
of good roads, at least around urban areas, and they were rapidly
expanding into the countryside.  This was the era, after all, of the
first auto touring fad, the motel, the auto camp ground, etc. Two good
books on the subject spring to mind - Warren Belasco "America on the
Road" (title may not be exact - author is) and another called "The Devil
Wagon in God's Country" author I forget.  Also, any of John Flink's  or
John Bell Rae's auto histories.

As to placement of the steering wheel being arbitrary, by the early
teens there were virtually no American cars that did not have the wheel
on the left.  In the early days, cars had the wheel on the left, on the
right, and even in the middle, as well as sometimes having a tiller
instead of a wheel.  This was standardized fairly early on, though I
don't know why.

Dan
dh3q@andrew.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University
Applied History


[Common complaints about MS Windows deleted...]

	Hmmmm, why do I get the feeling that this is gonna start one of
those endless threads 'Mac Vs Win" and might even end up as "OS/2 Vs Win".
Well, I dont know if Windows is a mature OS, if I have seen one (in which
case that has to be X-Windows :) ), but dont be so quick to judge...
First of all to try to use plain vanilla Windows is as courageous as to try
to use plain vanilla DOS. There are _lots_ of very nice commercial and
shareware packages/utilities that will boost up Windows past what MS itself
thought possible :)... For example, Norton Desktop for Windows 2.0 (a replace-
ment for ProgMan) will give you group-within-a-group capability and will
even change group icons, it will launch progs by association (well, FileMan
does that too) or by dragging the file in the apps icon (now Mac doesnt do
that, huh? :) )... And the list goes on and on... Now, Windows _is_ kinda
hard to finetune, boost and configure, but thats trhe price to pay for not
paying $$$ to get a Mac or an OS/2 capable machine (an entirely differet
story ...)... On the other hand if you dont like the idea of PM's icons
not correspnding to the files themselves, well they are not supposed to :)..
PM is a Program _Launching_ utility not a file manager... Modify your
settings to have FM as your shell and not PM, or get a couple of utilities
from cica that supposedly give you a 'Mac feel'... I dont wanna get in the
discussion which is a better system: Mac's are good in their own way -- they
are _different_ not better or worse than Win PCs-- (actually I am writing
this from a Mac lab as a user assistant - so dont think I am partial to Win:) )
By all means check out the stuff in cica (ftp to ftp.cica.indiana.edu under
the pub/pc/win3 subdir user: anonymous), or wait for StarTrek (Mac's OS on
a PC !!! -- the threads we are gonna have then !!! :) )...
Just trying to avoid another Mac-Win war...


In my last post I referred to Michael Adams as "Nick."  Completely my
error; Nick Adams was a film and TV actor from the '50's and early '60's
(remember Johnny Yuma, The Rebel?).  He was from my part of the country,
and Michael's email address of "nmsca[...]" probably helped confuse things
in my mind.  Purely user headspace error on my part.  Sorry.


Er, without a bike (Ed, maybe you ought to respond to this...), how
you gonna get there?

If yer going by cage, what's this got to do with r.m?

Maybe somebody oughta gang-tool-FAQ this guy, hmmm?


That's might be what it takes to beat the Braves this year.


Here is the price list for the week April 13 to April 19.

	- Andrew

Buy	Sell	Pts	Team	Player
158.9	143.0	157	PIT	Mario_Lemieux
148.5	133.7	145	BUF	Pat_LaFontaine
142.7	128.4	141	BOS	Adam_Oates
137.6	123.8	136	DET	Steve_Yzerman
132.1	118.9	129	WPG	Teemu_Selanne
131.7	118.5	127	NYI	Pierre_Turgeon
130.1	117.1	127	TOR	Doug_Gilmour
126.0	113.4	123	BUF	Alexander_Mogilny
123.4	111.1	119	PHI	Mark_Recchi
121.9	109.7	119	LA	Luc_Robitaille
113.3	102.0	112	QUE	Mats_Sundin
111.3	100.2	110	PIT	Kevin_Stevens
110.6	99.5	108	VAN	Pavel_Bure
108.6	97.7	106	STL	Craig_Janney
108.3	97.5	107	PIT	Rick_Tocchet
107.6	96.8	105	CHI	Jeremy_Roenick
105.3	94.8	104	QUE	Joe_Sakic
103.5	93.2	101	STL	Brett_Hull
102.4	92.2	100	CGY	Theoren_Fleury
101.2	91.1	100	PIT	Ron_Francis
100.4	90.4	98	TOR	Dave_Andreychuk
100.2	90.2	99	BOS	Joe_Juneau
98.3	88.5	96	WPG	Phil_Housley
98.3	88.5	96	MTL	Vincent_Damphousse
96.3	86.7	94	MTL	Kirk_Muller
96.1	86.5	95	DET	Dino_Ciccarelli
95.3	85.8	93	BUF	Dale_Hawerchuk
95.3	85.8	93	MIN	Mike_Modano
94.4	85.0	91	NYR	Mark_Messier
93.2	83.9	91	STL	Brendan_Shanahan
93.1	83.8	92	PIT	Jaromir_Jagr
88.1	79.3	86	MTL	Brian_Bellows
88.1	79.3	86	LA	Jari_Kurri
88.0	79.2	87	DET	Sergei_Fedorov
87.1	78.4	85	CGY	Robert_Reichel
87.0	78.3	86	DET	Paul_Coffey
86.1	77.5	83	WSH	Peter_Bondra
86.1	77.5	83	HFD	Geoff_Sanderson
86.0	77.4	84	TB	Brian_Bradley
85.0	76.5	82	NYI	Steve_Thomas
84.0	75.6	83	PIT	Larry_Murphy
84.0	75.6	81	PHI	Rod_Brind'Amour
83.0	74.7	82	BOS	Ray_Bourque
83.0	74.7	82	QUE	Steve_Duchesne
83.0	74.7	80	HFD	Andrew_Cassels
82.0	73.8	80	LA	Tony_Granato
81.9	73.7	79	WSH	Dale_Hunter
81.9	73.7	79	WSH	Mike_Ridley
80.9	72.8	78	HFD	Pat_Verbeek
80.9	72.8	79	MTL	Stephan_Lebeau
80.9	72.8	79	CGY	Gary_Suter
78.9	71.0	77	VAN	Cliff_Ronning
78.9	71.0	77	NJ	Claude_Lemieux
78.9	71.0	78	QUE	Mike_Ricci
77.9	70.1	76	VAN	Murray_Craven
77.9	70.1	76	STL	Jeff_Brown
77.8	70.0	75	WSH	Kevin_Hatcher
77.8	70.0	75	NYR	Tony_Amonte
76.9	69.2	76	SJ	Kelly_Kisio
76.8	69.1	75	NJ	Alexander_Semak
76.8	69.1	75	MIN	Russ_Courtnall
75.8	68.2	74	MIN	Dave_Gagner
75.8	68.2	74	TOR	Nikolai_Borschevsky
75.7	68.1	73	PHI	Eric_Lindros
74.8	67.3	73	LA	Jimmy_Carson
73.8	66.4	72	CGY	Joe_Nieuwendyk
73.8	66.4	72	VAN	Geoff_Courtnall
73.8	66.4	72	MIN	Ulf_Dahlen
73.6	66.2	71	NYI	Derek_King
73.6	66.2	71	WSH	Michal_Pivonka
72.9	65.6	72	QUE	Owen_Nolan
72.9	65.6	72	BOS	Dmitri_Kvartalnov
72.7	65.4	71	STL	Nelson_Emerson
72.7	65.4	71	CHI	Chris_Chelios
72.6	65.3	70	NYI	Benoit_Hogue
71.7	64.5	70	NJ	Stephane_Richer
71.7	64.5	70	WPG	Thomas_Steen
71.7	64.5	70	WPG	Alexei_Zhamnov
71.7	64.5	70	CHI	Steve_Larmer
69.8	62.8	69	PIT	Joe_Mullen
69.5	62.6	67	NYR	Mike_Gartner
68.6	61.7	67	VAN	Petr_Nedved
68.6	61.7	67	VAN	Trevor_Linden
68.6	61.7	67	LA	Mike_Donnelly
68.4	61.6	66	WSH	Dmitri_Khristich
68.4	61.6	66	WSH	Al_Iafrate
66.8	60.1	66	DET	Ray_Sheppard
66.8	60.1	66	QUE	Andrei_Kovalenko
66.4	59.8	64	HFD	Zarley_Zalapski
66.4	59.8	64	NYR	Adam_Graves
65.8	59.2	65	SJ	Johan_Garpenlov
64.5	58.1	63	TOR	Glenn_Anderson
63.5	57.2	62	LA	Wayne_Gretzky
63.5	57.2	62	OTT	Norm_Maciver
62.2	56.0	60	PHI	Garry_Galley
61.7	55.5	61	DET	Steve_Chiasson
61.7	55.5	61	DET	Paul_Ysebaert
61.5	55.4	60	NJ	Valeri_Zelepukin
61.5	55.4	60	MTL	Mike_Keane
61.2	55.1	59	PHI	Brent_Fedyk
60.7	54.6	60	PIT	Shawn_McEachern
60.4	54.4	59	LA	Rob_Blake
60.1	54.1	58	NYI	Pat_Flatley
59.7	53.7	59	QUE	Scott_Young
59.4	53.5	58	WPG	Darrin_Shannon
59.1	53.2	57	PHI	Kevin_Dineen
58.4	52.6	57	NJ	Bernie_Nicholls
58.4	52.6	57	CGY	Sergei_Makarov
58.4	52.6	57	CHI	Steve_Smith
58.1	52.3	56	WSH	Pat_Elynuik
57.4	51.7	56	VAN	Greg_Adams
57.4	51.7	56	NJ	Scott_Stevens
57.4	51.7	56	TB	John_Tucker
56.3	50.7	55	WPG	Fredrik_Olausson
56.0	50.4	54	NYR	Sergei_Nemchinov
55.0	49.5	53	NYR	Darren_Turcotte
55.0	48.9	53	CGY	Al_MacInnis
55.0	48.9	53	CHI	Christian_Ruuttu
55.0	48.0	52	CHI	Brent_Sutter
55.0	47.6	51	HFD	Terry_Yake
55.0	47.0	51	VAN	Dixon_Ward
55.0	47.0	51	WPG	Keith_Tkachuk
55.0	46.4	51	BOS	Stephen_Leach
55.0	46.1	50	TOR	John_Cullen
55.0	46.1	50	MTL	Denis_Savard
55.0	45.7	49	NYR	Ed_Olczyk
55.0	45.2	49	VAN	Anatoli_Semenov
55.0	44.8	48	WSH	Sylvain_Cote
55.0	44.8	48	NYI	Vladimir_Malakhov
55.0	44.8	48	NYI	Jeff_Norton
55.0	44.8	48	HFD	Patrick_Poulin
55.0	44.6	49	BOS	Dave_Poulin
55.0	44.3	48	LA	Tomas_Sandstrom
55.0	44.3	48	EDM	Petr_Klima
55.0	44.3	48	NJ	John_MacLean
55.0	44.3	48	EDM	Doug_Weight
55.0	43.3	47	MTL	Gilbert_Dionne
55.0	43.3	47	LA	Alexei_Zhitnik
55.0	43.3	47	EDM	Shayne_Corson
55.0	42.8	47	QUE	Martin_Rucinsky
55.0	42.4	46	WPG	Evgeny_Davydov
55.0	42.4	46	STL	Kevin_Miller
55.0	42.4	46	EDM	Craig_Simpson
55.0	42.0	45	WSH	Kelly_Miller
55.0	42.0	45	PHI	Pelle_Eklund
55.0	40.6	44	CHI	Michel_Goulet
55.0	40.6	44	EDM	Dave_Manson
55.0	39.6	43	OTT	Sylvain_Turgeon
55.0	38.7	42	CGY	Paul_Ranheim
55.0	38.7	42	MTL	Mathieu_Schneider
55.0	38.7	42	MIN	Mark_Tinordi
55.0	38.3	42	DET	Bob_Probert
55.0	37.8	41	EDM	Todd_Elik
55.0	37.4	40	NYR	Esa_Tikkanen
55.0	37.4	41	BOS	Vladimir_Ruzicka
55.0	36.9	40	OTT	Bob_Kudelski
55.0	36.9	40	NJ	Peter_Stastny
55.0	36.9	40	TOR	Dave_Ellett
55.0	36.9	40	OTT	Brad_Shaw
55.0	36.5	40	DET	Niklas_Lidstrom
55.0	36.0	39	NJ	Bobby_Holik
55.0	36.0	39	TOR	Wendel_Clark
55.0	35.5	38	NYR	Alexei_Kovalev
55.0	35.0	38	BUF	Yuri_Khmylev
55.0	35.0	38	MIN	Mike_McPhee
55.0	34.1	37	TOR	Rob_Pearson
55.0	34.1	37	VAN	Sergio_Momesso
55.0	33.6	36	NYR	Brian_Leetch
55.0	33.2	36	CHI	Dirk_Graham
55.0	33.2	36	TB	Adam_Creighton
55.0	32.8	36	QUE	Valery_Kamensky
55.0	32.3	35	EDM	Zdeno_Ciger
55.0	32.3	35	LA	Corey_Millen
55.0	31.9	35	BOS	Ted_Donato
55.0	31.3	34	TOR	Peter_Zezel
55.0	30.4	33	MIN	Neal_Broten
55.0	29.5	32	MTL	Gary_Leeman
55.0	29.5	32	EDM	Scott_Mellanby
55.0	29.5	32	BUF	Wayne_Presley
55.0	29.2	32	DET	Keith_Primeau
55.0	28.9	31	NYI	Brian_Mullen
55.0	28.9	31	PHI	Josef_Beranek
55.0	28.6	31	CHI	Stephane_Matteau
55.0	28.3	31	BOS	Steve_Heinze
55.0	28.0	30	PHI	Dmitri_Yushkevich
55.0	28.0	30	HFD	Mikael_Nylander
55.0	27.6	30	BUF	Richard_Smehlik
55.0	27.6	30	TOR	Dmitri_Mironov
55.0	25.8	28	CHI	Brian_Noonan
55.0	25.5	28	SJ	Pat_Falloon
55.0	24.9	27	STL	Igor_Korolev
55.0	24.3	26	WSH	Bob_Carpenter
55.0	24.3	26	NYR	James_Patrick
55.0	23.9	26	BUF	Petr_Svoboda
55.0	23.0	25	OTT	Mark_Lamb
55.0	22.4	24	NYI	Scott_LaChance
55.0	22.1	24	MTL	Benoit_Brunet
55.0	22.1	24	TB	Mikael_Andersson
55.0	21.2	23	EDM	Martin_Gelinas
55.0	21.2	23	WPG	Sergei_Bautin
55.0	21.2	23	TOR	Bill_Berg
55.0	21.2	23	EDM	Kevin_Todd
55.0	19.6	21	NYI	David_Volek
55.0	19.6	21	NYI	Ray_Ferraro
55.0	19.4	21	MIN	Brent_Gilchrist
55.0	18.6	20	HFD	Yvon_Corriveau
55.0	18.6	20	NYR	Phil_Bourque
55.0	18.6	20	NYI	Darius_Kasparaitis
55.0	18.2	20	DET	Jim_Hiller
55.0	17.7	19	PHI	Andrei_Lomakin
55.0	17.6	19	BUF	Donald_Audette
55.0	16.6	18	TB	Roman_Hamrlik
55.0	15.5	17	BOS	Cam_Neely
55.0	15.5	17	SJ	Mark_Pederson
55.0	14.6	16	PIT	Martin_Straka
55.0	13.9	15	CHI	Joe_Murphy
55.0	12.2	13	NYR	Peter_Andersson
55.0	12.0	13	OTT	Tomas_Jelinek
55.0	12.0	13	NJ	Janne_Ojanen
55.0	10.2	11	TB	Steve_Kasper
55.0	10.2	11	MIN	Bobby_Smith
55.0	9.1	10	SJ	Ray_Whitney
55.0	8.4	9	HFD	Robert_Petrovicky
55.0	8.3	9	BUF	Viktor_Gordijuk
55.0	7.4	8	TOR	Joe_Sacco
55.0	7.3	8	QUE	Mikhail_Tatarinov
55.0	7.3	8	SJ	Peter_Ahola
55.0	6.5	7	CHI	Rob_Brown
55.0	6.4	7	BOS	Glen_Murray
55.0	5.6	6	HFD	Tim_Kerr
55.0	5.5	6	MIN	Brian_Propp
55.0	4.7	5	WSH	Reggie_Savage
55.0	4.6	5	STL	Vitali_Prokhorov
55.0	4.6	5	LA	Robert_Lang
55.0	4.6	5	EDM	Shaun_Van_Allen
55.0	3.7	4	MIN	Dan_Quinn
55.0	3.6	4	DET	Viacheslav_Kozlov
55.0	3.6	4	BOS	Jozef_Stumpel
55.0	3.6	4	PIT	Bryan_Fogarty
55.0	2.8	3	MTL	Olav_Petrov
55.0	2.8	3	TB	Stan_Drulia
55.0	1.9	2	WSH	Jason_Woolley
55.0	1.8	2	NJ	Claude_Vilgrain
55.0	0.0	0	MTL	Patrick_Kjellberg
55.0	0.0	0	OTT	Alexei_Yashin
55.0	0.0	0	WSH	Randy_Burridge
55.0	0.0	0	EDM	Dean_McAmmond
55.0	0.0	0	CGY	Cory_Stillman
55.0	0.0	0	TB	Brent_Gretzky
55.0	0.0	0	BUF	Jason_Dawe
55.0	0.0	0	WSH	Brian_Sakic
55.0	0.0	0	VAN	Igor_Larionov
55.0	0.0	0	CHI	Sergei_Krivokrasov
55.0	0.0	0	QUE	Peter_Forsberg
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Andrew Scott                    | andrew@idacom.hp.com
HP IDACOM Telecom Operation     | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253


To use the grayscale features, I believe you need a Mac equipped
with colour quickdraw. I was told this somewhere or other, but it's
not mentioned in "Apple Facts" (guide for apple sellers), in the
press release or in the technical specs.


Hi,

I have a simple question. Is it possible to create a OVERLAPPED THICKFRAME
window without a title bar; ie

	(WS_OVERLAPPED | WS_THICKFRAME) & ~WS_CAPTION

I don't seem to be able to get rid off the title bar.

I have another question:

I have a overlapped window(say V) which has few child windows (a,b,c, etc)
The window shows up with all it's children fine. Now, I create another
child(t) with a WS_THICKFRAME style and placed on top of one or more of
it's siblings. Style WS_THICKFRAME is used so that I can resize it. How do
I make sure that the child 't' will always be at the top of it's siblings.
I used SetWindowPos() and BringWindowToTop() without success. What's happening
is that while I am resizing 't' it shows up but as soon as I let go, it goes
behild it's siblings.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Manu


In Texas (Well, Corpus Christi anyway) if you pick up the phone and dial
890 the phone company will read back the number to you.
Try it. It might work.


C >Hi:
C >I have a 486DX2-66MHz computer to use with an A/D board
C >for data acquisition on an AT bus...I'm having problems.
C >The AT bus runs at 12.5 MHz - correct?  So there should
C >be no bus speed conflict. But I read somewhere that the
C >new 486DX2-66 MHz CPU runs on a 33 MHz bus - is that for
C >the local bus or the AT bus also - if so then I have a problem.
C >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
C >When I run on non-turbo-mode the speed goes to 8 MHz and the
C >A/D doesn't work.  Please mail your views!  Thanks.
C >Vincent
C >cyl5@musica.mcgill.ca
C >

The STANDARD AT bus (ISA) runs at 8MHz, not 12.5 MHz, but some
non-stnadard ISA buses do have higher clock rates, but be careful, since
some boards don't work with faster than standard rates.  For instance, my
486 has adjustable AT bus speeds, and my PAS16 audio card chokes when I do
AD data acquisition with a bus speed faster than 10MHz.

The fact that non-turbo-mode speed A/D doesn't work is weird.  You may
have a motherboard with a hardware 'bug'.

33 MHz bus on the 486DX2 66 does refer to the local bus.  FYI: the AT bus
operates asynchronously, and is linked to the local bus via a 'bus
interface', which is one function that your 'chipset'.

-rdd

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Bunker & McNally were later.

Pappas, Estrada, Steve Barber, and . . . ?


i don't have FTP and i live in canada ( this means that it would be
illeagle for a U.S. citizen to send the program to me. their gigerment
wishes to restrict its dispersil ) but someone in europe must have ported
a coppy of RSA to the atariST by now.  how do i get a coppy of the RSA
from a non-FTP news feed?


Ahhh go back to alt.autotheism where you belong!


No one can answer that.  If she gets reflex sympathetic dystrophy,
it could last forever.  Just hope she does not.  Most don't.

Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't.  You just have to do the
best job you can reattaching and hope.  You should know in a few
months.

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You have demanded harsh punishments of several crimes. Repeating
offenders have slipped in only as justification of harsh punishment at
all. Typically religious doublespeak. Whenever you have contradictory
statements you choose the possibility that suits your current argument.

It is disgusting that someone with ideas that would make Theodore KKKaldis
feel cozy can go along under the protection of religion.


If it's any consolation, I have two 2-headed Sun-3/60 systems, though the
color and mono monitors for each are "rated" 1152x900.   Their configuration
is the same as yours, so it "should" be a Plug'N'Play situation, EXCEPT:

I don't know if your hi-res mono monitor will function this way.  However,
you may simply be able to pull the motherboard and set the HI-RES jumper
(located in the same jumper array as the jumpers for the RAM/SIMM selects
and Ethernet connection) and be happily on your way.  When you pull the
motherboard, the jumpers are in the left-rear (e.g. "north-west") quadrant
of the motherboard (to the left of the SIMM sockets).


			....................

This example is probably wrong.  There is the case of one famous
physicist telling another that he was probably wrong.  As I recall
the quote:

	Your ideas are crazy, to be sure.  But they are not crazy
	enough to be right.

The typical screwball is only somewhat screwy.


We were talking about Migraine and Exercise (I'm the one who can't
fathom the thought of exercise during migraine...).  Anyway, turning
the thread around, the other day I played tennis during my lunch
hour.  I'm out of tennis shape so it was very intense exercise.  I
got overheated, and dehydrated.  Afterwards, I noticed a tingling
sensation all over my head then about 2 hours later, I could feel
a migraine start.  (I continued to drink water in the afternoon.)
I took cafergot, but it didn't help and the pain started although
it wasn't as intense as it usually is and about 9pm that night, the
pain subsided.

This isn't the first time that I've had a migraine occur after exercise.
I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same experience and I wonder
what triggers the migraine in this situation (heat buildup? dehydration?).
I'm not giving up tennis so is there anything I can do (besides get into
shape and don't play at high noon) to prevent this?

Thanks,


There is some controversy in my denomination as to what authority is vested
in the pastor.  I am still forming my opinion.  I am solicing opinions, and
references for what that is, how much, and how it should be used.

   As a general reference, I would not exclude responses from different
denominations based on Biblical teachings, but you have to understand our
church is independent, protestant and likely to be much different from those
that follow ecclesiastical authority in the church.  We may need to discuss
the roles of deacons and elders.

Thanks for your replies.


Version 1.0 of NCSA Mosaic for the X Window System, a networked
information systems and World Wide Web browser, is hereby released:

file://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Mosaic/xmosaic-source/xmosaic-1.0.tar.Z
                            .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-sun.Z
                            .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-sgi.Z
                            .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-ibm.Z
                            .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-dec.Z
                            .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-alpha.Z
                            .../xmosaic-diffs/xmosaic-0.13-1.0-diffs.Z

NCSA Mosaic provides a consistent and easy-to-use hypermedia-based
interface into a wide variety of networked information sources,
including Gopher, WAIS, World Wide Web, NNTP/Usenet news, Techinfo,
FTP, local filesystems, Archie, finger, Hyper-G, HyTelnet, TeXinfo,
telnet, tn3270, and more.

This release of NCSA Mosaic is known to compile on the following
platforms:

  SGI (IRIX 4.0.2)
  IBM (AIX 3.2)
  Sun 4 (SunOS 4.1.3 with stock X11R4 and Motif 1.1, and GCC).
  DEC Ultrix.
  DEC Alpha AXP (OSF/1).

Documentation is available online.

Changes since 0.13 include:

 o Added new resource, gethostbynameIsEvil, for Sun's that
   coredump when gethostbyname() is called to try to find out what
   their own names are. (Command-line flag is -ghbnie.)
 o Explicitly pop down all dialog boxes when document view
   window is closed, for window managers too dull to do so
   themselves.
 o Better visited anchor color for non-SGI's.
 o Added .hqx and .uu to list of file extensions handled like .tar files.
 o Added 'Clear' button to Open box, to allow more convenient
   cut-n-paste entries of URL's.
 o New resource 'autoPlaceWindows'; if set to False, new document
   view windows will not be automatically positioned by the
   program itself (but it's still up to your window manager just how
   they're placed).
 o Command-line flags -i and -iconic now have desired effect (new
   resource initialWindowIconic can also be used).
 o Gif-reading code is a little more bulletproof.
 o Obscure infinite loop triggered by extra space in IMG tag fixed.
 o Eliminated nonintuitive error message when image can't be read
   (inlined NCSA bitmap is indication enough that something's not
   right for authors, and readers can't do anything about bad images
   in any case).
 o Obscure parsing bug (for constructs like <ADDRESS><A
   HREF=...>text<A></ADDRESS>) fixed.
 o Fixed mysterious stupid coredump that only hits Suns.
 o Fixed stupid coredump on URL's like '://cbl.leeds.ac.uk/'.
 o Fixed buglet in handling rlogin URL's.
 o New support for Solaris/SYSVR4 (courtesy
   dana@thumper.bellcore.com).
 o Better support for HP-UX 8.x and 9.x (courtesy
   johns@hpwarf.wal.hp.com).
 o Better support for NeXT (courtesy scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk).
 o Some miscellaneous portability fixes (courtesy
   bingle@cs.purdue.edu).
 o Miscellaneous bug fixes and cleanups.

Comments, questions, and bug reports should be sent to
mosaic-x@ncsa.uiuc.edu.  Thanks in advance for any feedback you can
provide.

Cheers,
Marc

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Carrying a pistol, loaded or unloaded, in the glove compartment, is
considered carrying a concealed weapon in Colorado and is illegal without
a concealed weapons permit.  Unless the law has been changed recently,
carrying a weapon openly is legal in Colorado but concealing it is illegal.
I read a newspaper account last year where police stopped a car on a
traffic infraction and observed a .357 magnum revolver sitting on the
seat.  The driver could not be cited for possessing or carrying the weapon
because it was not concealed.  The article stated that if the gun had
been discovered in the glove box, it would have been considered a crime.


I have to disagree with you on this one.  It is anything BUT common.  In the
4 or 5 years I have been watching hockey I have NEVER seen this happen EVER.

I am not sure what league you have been watching.  :-)

Anyone else agree with this?


Yes!  Up the coast, over to Portland, then up I-5.  Really nice most
of the way, and I'm sure there's even better ways.

Watch the weather, though... I got about as good a drenching as
possible in the Oregon coast range once...


My monitor display has a bad case of the wigglies. I have a good ground. I
live in an old house and I have replaced much of the wiring. I have two
EMI filters on the computer, the monitor plugs into the computer. When
fluorescent lights are on upstairs, the display jiggles, when motors run
in the house, the display jiggles, when incandescent lights are on in the
kitchen the display jiggles.  I could bring a separate line from the
breaker box, and use it only for the computer, would this do it? EMI
doesn't only travel the 110 volt line though. Should I shield the back of
the monitor? Ground a grid or plate?
Your expertise is appreciated. Thanks very much!  Ed Byrnes


I have two Motif Widgets. I would like to control one of them via the
keyboard and the other with the mouse. I set the keyboard focus on the first
widget, but as soon as I click the mouse on the second one, I lose the
keyboard focus on the first one.

Could some kind soul show me how to do this?

Thanks


Some will, and others will steer with their tuchuses. I don't know how much
the teaching of countersteering in the beginner course really helps the
tuchus steerers. I was one, I guess that I always steered a bicycle that way,
and I only got the hang of countersteering in normal riding *after* the course.
I could do the countersteering swerves in the course no problem, but I only
started using it in my normal riding when I decided that my turning at speed
(off-ramps and the like) was a lot more difficult that it should have been.
I knew how it works (although that's currently up for debate) definitely knew
*that* it works, as I could do it in swerves, but only figured it out later
in my normal riding. Just a data point. I think that it's not a bad idea to
bring the idea up, but it's best to let everyone tuchus-steer for the first
lesson or two, so they can learn to shift gears before they have to worry
about proper handlebar technique.

I have. In our beginner course we had passenger training. Sometime during
the lesson the instructor would hop on the back of the bike, and the student
would take him for a ride. If the student did not give the instructor the
"you are a sack of potatoes" passenger speech, the instructor would steer
the bike and make a general nuisance of himself. It was amusing to watch,
I'm just happy that it didn't happen to me.


Is there any difference in saying

"Absolute Truth exists, but some people think its a lie"

and

"Truth is relative" ?

I think there is:  in both examples, the first statement is a
fundamental disagreement between at least two people; the
second statement is agreed upon by all.

To put it another way, someone who says objective values exist
does not agree that values are subjective.


only when the torque converter is not locked up.  there are autos out there
with converter lock up in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears.

rare.. so are 5 speed autos.. but very real.

i think that automatics have advanced far more than manuals.
especially in shift intelligence.  i say that a smart automatic is
better than the majority of drivers in terms of being in the right
gear at the right time, which to me is more important than torque
converter losses.

who says you can't have your cake and eat it too?  a well designed
shifter will easily facilitate manual, clutchless shifts.  i am
referring to the much copied mercedes jagged gate.  the only
department where you lose out is in the number of ratios available,
and of course the converter losses..

if ayrton senna can drive a racecar with fully automatic transmission,
it can't be half bad..  :-)


: >: > Last year the US suffered almost 10,000 wrongful or accidental
: >: > deaths by handguns alone (FBI statistics).  In the same year, the UK
: >: > suffered 35 such deaths (Scotland Yard statistics).  The population
: >: > of the UK is about 1/5 that of the US (10,000 / (35 * 5)).  Weighted
: >: > for population, the US has 57x as many handgun-related deaths as the
: >: > UK.  And, no, the Brits don't make up for this by murdering 57x as
: >: > many people with baseball bats.

: [snip]

: If you examine the figures, they do. Stabbing is favourite, closely
: followed by striking, punching, kicking. Many more people are burnt to
: death in Britain as are shot to death. Take at look and you'll see for
: yourself.

It means that very few people are shot to death in Great Britain.


And if Richard Nixon had had this kind of toy, he wouldn't have had
to send people into the Watergate.

But that's not really the issue.  The real issue is whether this
will be used to justify a ban against individuals' use of private
(i.e., anything else) encryption methods.

Unrelated question...isn't the term "Clipper," as neat as it is,
already taken by Intergraph?


Hi.

While running the MS Quick C compiler in a DOS window under Windows 3.1
this evening, I got a "program has violated system integrity... close all
applications, exit windows and restart your computer" error.

I started to do this when I immediately got a "Serious disk error" message
from Windows.  "hit return to retry".  I did that about 5 times and then
rebooted to find that quite a few files have been corrupted somehow.
(I am including the chkdsk output below.)

Questions:

1)  Is there an easy way to restore everything to working order?
What might be some better approaches?

2)  What might have caused this?  Does the SMARTDRV cache make me more
vulnerable?  (I'm suspicious of hard drive caches especially when they
cache data writing.)

The straightforward approach would be to run chkdsk with the /f option to
fix the disk and then it looks like I would probably have to reinstall Windows
and a few other things.

Thanks for your comments and suggestions.

Brad Banko

ps:  this is a 386sx machine with a 40Mb hard drive and 2 Mb of RAM.

chkdsk output:
======================================================================
Volume Serial Number is 1159-09D3
Errors found, F parameter not specified
Corrections will not be written to disk

C:\GFX\VPIC46\CVPIC.EXE
   Allocation error, size adjusted
C:\GFX\VPIC46\VPIC.TXT
   Allocation error, size adjusted
C:\GFX\VPIC46\VIDEO7.CFG
   Allocation error, size adjusted
C:\GFX\VPIC46\ORCPRO2.CFG
   Allocation error, size adjusted
C:\GFX\VPIC46\VGA.CFG
   Allocation error, size adjusted
C:\GAME\GOOSE\BIRD2.X
   Allocation error, size adjusted
C:\WINMISC\ADV21\WINADV.EXE
   Allocation error, size adjusted

   316 lost allocation units found in 224 chains.
    647168 bytes disk space would be freed

C:\GFX\VPIC46\CVPIC.EXE
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16133
C:\GFX\VPIC46\GENO5400.CFG
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16138
C:\GFX\VPIC46\TRI8800B.CFG
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16139
C:\GFX\VPIC46\TS4000HI.CFG
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16140
C:\GFX\VPIC46\CONFIG.DOC
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16141
C:\GFX\VPIC46\VPIC.TXT
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16146
C:\GFX\VPIC46\VIDEO7.CFG
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16151
C:\GFX\VPIC46\DEFINCON.CFG
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16152
C:\GFX\VPIC46\ATIWONDR.CFG
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16153
C:\GFX\VPIC46\GENO6400.CFG
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16154
C:\GFX\VPIC46\OAK.CFG
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16155
C:\GFX\VPIC46\HIRES.CFG
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16156
C:\GFX\VPIC46\AHEADA.CFG
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16157
C:\GFX\VPIC46\VPIC.DOC
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16208
C:\GFX\VPIC46\ORCPRO2.CFG
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16184
C:\GFX\VPIC46\EVERX673.CFG
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16185
C:\GFX\VPIC46\WAIT.COM
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16186
C:\GFX\VPIC46\MAXXON.CFG
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16187
C:\GFX\VPIC46\WAIT.DOC
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16188
C:\GFX\VPIC46\EVERX678.CFG
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16189
C:\GFX\VPIC46\EGA.CFG
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16190
C:\GFX\VPIC46\CONFIG.EXE
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16191
C:\GFX\VPIC46\README.1ST
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16199
C:\GFX\VPIC46\VGA.CFG
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16201
C:\GAME\GOOSE\BIRD2.X
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16382
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SOUND.DRV
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16380
C:\WINDOWS\GAMES0.GRP
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16367
C:\WINDOWS\MAD79-11.BMP
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16341
C:\MAGE\DEMO2_2A.KIN
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16151
C:\MAGE\DEMO2_2B.KIN
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16257
C:\MAGE\PKIN_2_2.EXE
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16339
C:\WINMISC\GAMES\DIALWORD.EXE
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16184
C:\WINMISC\GAMES\DIALWORD.TXT
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16201
C:\WINMISC\ADV21\WINADV.WRI
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16257
C:\WINMISC\ADV21\ADV.KEY
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16265
C:\WINMISC\ADV21\ADV.REC
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16275
C:\WINMISC\ADV21\FREEZER
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16339
C:\386SPART.PAR
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16133
C:\BNG2.MBX
   Is cross linked on allocation unit 16146

  42366976 bytes total disk space
   3958784 bytes in 4 hidden files
    153600 bytes in 67 directories
  36042752 bytes in 1496 user files
   1564672 bytes available on disk

      2048 bytes in each allocation unit
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       764 available allocation units on disk

    655360 total bytes memory
    579712 bytes free