I am selling my Sportster to make room for a new FLHTCU.
This scoot is in excellent condition and has never been wrecked or abused.
Always garaged.

	1990 Sportster 883 Standard (blue)

	factory 1200cc conversion kit

	less than 8000 miles

	Branch ported and polished big valve heads

	Screamin Eagle carb

	Screamin Eagle cam

	adjustable pushrods

	Harley performance mufflers

	tachometer

	new Metzeler tires front and rear

	Progressive front fork springs

	Harley King and Queen seat and sissy bar

	everything chromed

	O-ring chain

	fork brace

	oil cooler and thermostat

	new Die-Hard battery

	bike cover


I have a small program to extract a 640x480 image from a vga 16 color screen,
and store that image in a TIFF file.  I need to insert the image into a
sales brochure, which I then need printed in 4 color.  On a mac, I would
use Photoshop to separate the image into 5 EPS files, and then pull it into
quark express, then get it printed to film on a lintronix at a service bureau.

However, I don't have a mac, but I do have windows.  What would I need to
do this type of operation in the windows 3.1 environment?  Are there any
separation programs available on the net?  Is there a good page layout program
that I should look into?

Thanks in advance.


I am trying to get a copy of the _official_ rules of baseball.
Someone once sent me the ISBN number of it, but I have since lost it.
Can anyone give me this information, or tell me where I can find the
book?  None of my local bookstores have it.


Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same
chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily
be wrong.  I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels.


# >... Why would the picture tube explode or even smoke?

Naw, it was the penguin on TOP of the set that exploded...
;-}


Hmm, here are a couple:

1) If the algorithm becomes known, it will be easy to produce
pin-compatible non-crippled chips that provide -real- encryption and
privacy, because their keys are only in their users' hands.

2) Since SkipJack is a symmetric key cypher, it needs some way to
agree on a session key. The released information says that any
protocol may be used (e.g., DH). From a theoretical point of view,
this is probably true. However, from a practical point of view, those
chips must have some kind of key exchange protocol built-in. What if
it is good old RSA? This will mean that the producer will have to pay
lots of bucks to PKP. By keeping the details secret this can be
avoided...

Regards,
Vesselin


betz@gozer.idbsu.edu

The FBI and Koresh were calling the shots.  And there were very sane reasons
for keeping the children, if they let them go, the parents would NEVER see them
again.  That is not an easy choice, in spite of you cold attitude about it.

I am a constitution worshiper.  You quite obviously eat anything the
authorities feed you, without doubt, which makes you no different that a Koresh
worshiper

you
If you do not believe this, you are truly naive.  It is not only possible, it
is easy.  I worked in the broadcast profession, at a network station, in the
late 70s, I know what I'm saying here.  Embarrasing footage is easy to get, add
a little sinister music, and the right voice-over, and I'll have you mother
agreeing to commit you.

The news shows were looking for excerpts which backed their position.  Do you
think they would show excerpts which disproved their points?

The reports of multi-starts came solely from the FBI.  Anyone observing the
fire from the available video would be hard pressed to see more than one point
of fire.  Which spread across the compound as a uniform rate.

it

No reported has ever sued the government for such a situation.  They know the
dangers.  Remember, the BATF invited the initial coverage. And how about a
simple, remote-controlled, camera or two?  There were ways to provide media
access.  The FBI obviously just didn't want any.

I can find several.  Tear gas and smoke making it impossible to remove the
barricades.  Flames blocking exits to the saferooms. Perhaps the gun shots were
from the FBI, keeping them pinned in?  Who knows?

Jim
--
jmd@handheld.com


The reason I'm posting this article to this newsgroup is to:
1. gather any information about this disorder from anyone who might
   have recently been *e*ffected by it ( from being associated with
   it or actually having this disorder ) and
2. help me find out where I can access any medical literature associated
   with seizures over the internet.

Recently, I had a baby boy born with seizures which occured 12-15 hours
after birth. He was immediately transferred to a major hospital in Boston
and has since been undergoing extensive drug treatment for his condition.
This has been a major learning experience for me and my wife not only in
learning the medical problems that faced our son but also in dealing with
hospitals, procedures...etc.

I don't want to go into a lot of detail, but his condition was termed
quite severe at first then slowly he began to grow and put on weight
as a normal baby would. He was put on the standard anti-convulsion drugs
and that did not seem to help out. His MRI, EKG, cat-scans are all normal,
but the EEG's show alot of seizure activity. After many metabolic tests,
body structure tests, and infection/virus tests the doctors still do not
know quite what type of siezures he is having (although they do have alot
of evidence that it is now pointing to infantile spasms ). This is where
we stand right now....


I see some irony here. Jesus was willing to go through torture to free
you from the definite promise of hell (based on Adam/Eve's fall from grace)
but rather than allow him to stand in your place, you would give up
your redemption to stand with those who do not accept his grace.
God would rather have none in hell, which seems to put the burden of
choice on us. Of course, this is all fictional anyway since you reject him
also.

My former sociology professor once told us at the beginning
of our term, "you all start out with an A...what you do with that during
the course of this term is up to you". In the beginning...Adam and Eve
were given an A.


Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5
 million Muslim people)

p. 133 (first paragraph)

"In this movement we took with us three thousand Turkish soldiers who
 had been captured by the Russians and left on our hands when the Russians
 abandoned the struggle. During our retreat to Karaklis two thousand of
 these poor devils were cruelly put to death. I was sickened by the
 brutality displayed, but could not make any effective protest. Some,
 mercifully, were shot. Many of them were burned to death. The method
 employed was to put a quantity of straw into a hut, and then after
 crowding the hut with Turks, set fire to the straw."

Serdar Argic


  Yes, I do.

  My argument is that the sole purpose of the death penalty is to
  kill people.  That is it's primary (and I would argue only)
  purpose.  To continue to kill people by a practice that has
  almost no utility, especially when you know you will be killing
  innocents, is unconscionable.

  At the very least, the existence of the prison system and our
  transportation system are based on their merits to society, not
  their detriments.  We are willing to accept a few lost innocent
  lives because there is an overwhelming benefit to the continued
  existence of these systems.  One has to stretch the evidence and
  the arguments to make the same claim for capital punishment.

  Just in case I wasn't clear again:  We maintain a capital
  punsihment system that kills innocent people and provides us with
  no net positive gain.  Why?

  Were you to pin me in a corner and ask, I would have to respond
  that I don't belief the state should have the right to take life
  at all.  But I won't open that debate, as it seems others are
  tiring of this thread on a.a anyway.

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM

They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.


Hi! I was wondering if anyone out there could help me.
I have an error message that goes:

What does it mean?

I am running MS windows 3.1.

Thanks in advance


Chelios is by far the MVP on Chicago...

Manson, by his own admission, had a terrible year...the Oilers
don't really have a team MVP...by default, it should go to Craig
MacTavish.  Shjon Podein was the biggest surprise...Tikkanen the
biggest disappointment.

Tinordi was back by mid-season last year...and when he plays he is the MVP.

King had a great year last year also.

How can Kovalev be a surprise?

Fence-sitting...look at Philly's record with Eric and without...
there is no doubt.  Soderstrom is probably the biggest surprise.

Tocchet had a near 100 point season in Philly with Mike Bullard as
his center...why shouldn't he be able to do that with Mario?

Really Joseph deserves the MVP nod.


% telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov 25
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250-Eddie Zeitler <zeitler>
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220 st1.ncsl.nist.gov SEndMaIl 4.1/NBS-rbj.11 rEadY At Sat, 17 Apr 93 23:13:43 EDT
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% whois -h rs.internic.net first.org
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The InterNIC Registration Services Host ONLY contains Internet Information
(Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's).
Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information.


In reference to the limits of acceleration with guns launching solid
rockets as payloads.  Thiokol provided me with samples and data on
a reinforcement to solid motor grains for high accelerations.  Solid
motor propellants usually have a substantial percentage of
aluminum in the mix.  For example, the Space Shuttle SRBs are 16 percent
Aluminum.  The technique is to use a 'foamed aluminum' structure.
The structure looks like the inverse of a set of bubbles (an I suspect
some bubbling process is used to form it).  In other words, if you made
a bunch of bubbles in molten aluminum, then froze it, this is what
you get.  It forms a strong network of effectively aluminum wires in
all directions.  The remaining solid fuel mix is infiltrated into
the voids, and you get aluminum-reinforced solid propellant.  The
foamed-aluminum makes up about 6 percent of the total propellant,
so there is still aluminum particles in the bulk grain.  The major
improvement is the higher resistance to grain cracking, which is the
principal failure mode for solid propellant.

Dani Eder


I am looking for advice on buying a susuki GS1100E.  does anyone out there
know about any inherent flaws the bike may have or problems i should look
for?
what about insurance rates (is this bike blacklisted)?
also, as a person who has never ridden a motorcycle yet is buying a 1100
to start off with.... am I crazy?  I have been told by some people to start out
small.... and by others that i am lage enough to handle an 1100 right off from
the start (6'4" 210 pounds) because some others might be a tad bit small.

Oh yeah, one more question.  Anybody in the chicago area know of any good
instruction schools or programs where i could get aquanted before i just go
buy one and kill myself getting it home.

thanks,
   brian


*** NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE ***
                                 92-93 SEASON

                            HOME ATTENDANCE REPORT

 Each Qtr. represents 10 home games,   Qtr. 4 will have 11 home games.
 Neutral site games are not included.  S/O indicates the number of sell-outs.

Team
Name   Qtr. 1   S/O  Qtr. 2   S/O  Qtr. 3   S/O  Qtr. 4   S/O   Totals   Average
================================================================================
BOS    140,573   5   142,694   7   142,768   6   152,468   8    578,503   14,109
BUF    144,701   0   148,516   3   152,133   5   168,878   4    614,228   14,981
CAL    190,125   1   196,174   3   196,982   4   217,346   5    800,627   19,527
CHI    176,372  10   176,746   9   177,981  10   196,749  11    727,848   17,752
DET    196,330  10   196,670  10   197,228  10   217,167  10    807,395   19,692
EDM    139,038   0   149,422   2   152,831   2   165,384   2    606,675   14,796
HAR     92,994   0   110,670   2   108,651   0   122,123   0    434,438   10,596
LA     154,065   5   159,014   8   160,050  10   176,055  11    649,184   15,833
MIN    130,710   2   140,933   3   139,986   1   160,213   4    571,842   13,947
MON    168,097   8   169,671  10   168,784  10   190,186  11    696,738   16,993
NJ     127,053   0   124,011   2   145,856   2   163,050   1    559,970   13,657
NYI    114,706   1   108,502   1   123,167   3   139,946   0    486,321   11,861
NYR    178,200   7   179,990   6   182,000  10   199,337   8    739,527   18,037
OTT    104,713  10   105,000  10   104,602  10   115,330  11    429,645   10,479
PHI    172,372   4   172,967   3   172,613   2   190,520   5    708,472   17,279
PIT    160,379   6   161,475   8   161,280   6   177,705  10    660,839   16,118
QUE    149,452   3   147,911   3   147,394   2   168,830   8    613,587   14,965
SJ     110,890  10   110,374   8   110,120   7   121,745  10    453,129   11,051
STL    156,313   3   170,531   5   171,249   5   187,849   7    685,942   16,730
TB      97,269   5    99,621   6    99,611   4   114,059   9    410,560   10,013
TOR    155,500   4   157,779   9   157,014   8   172,888  11    643,181   15,687
VAN    144,120   0   154,184   4   157,094   6   176,751   8    632,149   15,418
WAS    153,209   0   163,563   1   161,479   2   171,711   2    649,962   15,852
WIN    131,072   0   135,902   1   133,414   1   154,956   2    555,344   13,544

     3,488,253     3,582,320     3,624,287     4,021,246     14,716,106


 My poor old physics intuition will be very surprised if these tiny
 masses, sitting very close to Jupiter, play any role whatsoever in the
 problem.   Or, to put it more technically, the extra "volume" they add
 to the phase space of possible capture trajectories is negligible.

 Jupiter is 2E27 kg, while the Galilean satellites are around 1E23.

 Also, as I said, the few references that I've looked at do not
 mention outgassing or breakup as important processes.  The important
 thing is a Jupiter-Sun-comet "reverse slingshot" that leads to a
 weakly Jupiter-bound orbit for the comet (at least a temporary one).


Sorry, but it is *virtually* impossible to win a division with "no talent"
over 162 games.

I would amend your definition to:

underdog:  a team expected to lose, but which wins thanks to underestimated
           talent.


Does anyone know a program that will record keyboard sequences that I
do in a windowed dos box? I would like to have something that starts a
telnet program and then logs me into my accounts. Windows Recorder doesn't
seem to be able to record the key sequences.


As quoted from <1993Apr17.025258.7013@microsoft.com> by anthonyf@microsoft.com (Anthony Francisco):

That's life.  First you marry Imelda Marcos, then you die! :)

And that's the HARD stuff to copy!


ARIANESPACE FLIGHT 56

(Flight V.56 was originally intended to carry the Hughes HS-601 series
Galaxy IV satellite, but the payload was withdrawn just prior to flight.)

The 56th Ariane launch is now scheduled to place the ASTRA 1C and ARSENE
satellites into an improved geostationary transfer orbit (GTO), with
inclination reduced to 5 degrees and apogee altitude increased by 150 km.
This will be the 28th launch of an Ariane 4 and the first in the 42L
configuration, with 2 liquid strap-on boosters (PAL).  It will be launched
from the newly refurbished Ariane launch complex ELA 2, in Kourou - French
Guiana.

The launch vehicle performance requirement for this mission is 3,147 kg
of which 2,944 kg represents the satellite mass.  The total vehicle mass
at liftoff is 361,778 kg.

Required Orbit Characteristics:
  Perigee Altitude ..... 200 km
  Apogee Altitude ...... 36,160 km at injection
  Inclination ..........   5 degrees

The Ariane 42L lift-off for Flight 56 is scheduled on Thursday,
April 29, 1993, as soon as possible within the following launch
window:

     Kourou Time        GMT (04/30/93)      Washington, DC
     21:52 - 22:50      00:52 - 01:50       20:52 - 21:50

LAUNCH VEHICLE:

Ariane 42L.  This is a three-stage liquid fueled launcher with two liquid
fueled strap-on boosters.  The first stage (L220) is built by Aerospatiale,
and is powered by 4 liquid fueled Viking V engines.  The second stage (L33)
is built by MBB Erno and is powered by a single Viking IV engine.  Both the
Viking IV and V engines are manufactured by SEP.  The first and second stages
use a biliquid UH25/N2O4 fuel. The third stage (H10) is built by Aerospatiale,
and is powered by a cryogenic H2/O2 fueled HM-7B engine built by SEP. The two
strap-on boosters (PAL) are each powered by a Viking VI engine, also built
by SEP, which use the same biliquid fuel as the first and second stages.
The fully assembled launch vehicle stands 56 meters high on the pad.
It uses the Type 01 Ariane Short payload fairing.

Flight Profile:

 +02:21  Liquid strap-on booster jettison
 +03:11  First stage separation
 +03:18  Second stage ignition
 +04:10  Fairing jettison
 +05:21  Second stage separation
 +05:26  Third stage ignition
 +17:30  Third stage shutdown / orbit injection
 +19:56  ASTRA 1C separation
 +22:36  Cyclade adapter separation
 +24:26  ARSENE separation
 +28:47  End of Ariane mission 56

PAYLOADS:

ASTRA 1C is the third spacecraft in the fleet of "Societe Europeenne
des Satellites" to broadcast direct TV to homes all over Europe.
Built by Hughes, it will be the second HS-601 launched by Ariane.

  Total mass at lift-off .... 2,790 kg
  Mass at GEO insertion ..... 1,700 kg
  Dry mass .................. 1,180 kg
  On-board power ............ 3,300 W (end of life)
  Nominal lifetime .......... 15 years
  Span of solar panels ...... 21 m
  On-Orbit position ......... 19.2 degrees east, over Africa.

 Transmission capacity:
   34 channels in Ku-band, via 18 transponders.

 In-flight operations:
   Solar array deployment ............ about 6 days after lift-off
   First of 3 apogee motor firings ... about 40 hours after lift-off
                                       at 4th apogee

ARSENE is the first spacecraft built by the European Space Industry
for the benefit of the world amateur radio community.

  Total mass at lift-off .... 154 kg
  Mass at GEO insertion .....  98 kg
  Dry mass ..................  97 kg
  On-board power ............ 42 W (end of life)
  Nominal lifetime .......... 3 years
  Spacecraft dimensions ..... 1.1m x .96m
  Orbital parameters ........ 20000/36000 km, 0 inclination, period 17:30.

 Transmission capacity:
   S-band:  1 transponder at 2.446 ghz
   VHF/UHF: 145/435 mhz

LAUNCH COVERAGE:

All Ariane missions are broadcast live via satellite from Kourou.
Coverage begins at 30 minutes before launch and continues until
all payloads have been deployed.  This mission will likely be carried
in the US on Galaxy 6, however it could be Galaxy 7 or another satellite.
(What is the European satellite normally used for Ariane coverage?)


Here's a rough sketch of how the system works.  A reference station
with a very exactly known position computes the errors in the
incoming GPS signals.  These errors are due to several factors
including atmospheric distortion, SA (Selective Availability) time
dithering, etc.  The reference unit contains complex computational
equipment to "back out" the errors in its position (since it knows
where it is already).  It then transmits these corrections on a
broadcast which is available to any number of relatively local
receivers.  If the receivers are nearby (<300km) and are using
the same satellites as the reference unit, the errors should be very
similar for the reference unit and the receiver unit.  Thus, the
receiver unit may apply the corrections calculated by the reference
unit.

The US Coast Guard is currently (as far as I know) installing a series
of coastline transmitters for differential GPS.  These stations will
use existing radio towers.  I believe the frequency is to be approximately
305 kHz.  There are many other private corporations offering DGPS signals
on different frequencies.  For example, PinPoint ((310)-618-7076) offers
correction signals and receiver units using an FM broadcast system
which has stations all across the US.

The correction codes are usually transmitted using the RTCM 104 format.
Advertised accuracies espouse 1 to 5 meter errors.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
John P. Baker                   | My opinions are my own.  I don't know
Johns Hopkins University        | anyone else who wants them, anyway.
Applied Physics Laboratory	|
Laurel, MD  20723               | bakerjp1@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu


The following used CD's are for sale.  They are each $8 unless otherwise
marked.  I will pay for the shipping and handling costs.  If you are
interested in any just e-mail me at awakhras@phoenix.princeton.edu.  At
that point we will figure out the payment and mailing procedure.

Artist				Title

Robbie Robertson		Storyville
Love and Rockets		Love and Rockets
Jeff Lynne			Armchair Theatre
Elvis Costello			Mighty Like a Rose
Public Image LTD		9
Neneh Cherry			Raw Like Sushi
Bobby Brown 			Don't Be Cruel
Depeche Mode			Black Celebration
Traveling Wilburys              Vol. 1
Bad Company			10 from 6
Soul II Soul			Vol. II-1990 A New Decade
The Godfathers			More Songs About Love and Hate
Paul McCartney			Flowers in the Dirt
Simply Red			Stars
Prince				Graffitti Bridge


I don't know if it's as much an issue of their ablility to handle the
power as it is the power they lose (in the torque converter, etc).

However, if you encounter a '93 Formula with 5.7L & 6-Speed Manual,
You'll be SOL, I'm afraid. ;) BTW, I know of what I speak as a former
owner of a 5.7L Auto IROC (1989) and current owner of the
aforementioned car...

Chris S.
--
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Silvester      | "Any man capable of getting himself elected President
chriss@sam.amgen.com |  should by no means be allowed to do the job"
chriss@netcom.com    |   - Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy


From:  Kayhan Havai # 1026
--------------------------

o Dr. Namaki,  deputy minister of health stated that infant
  mortality (under one year old) in Iran went down from 120
  per  thousand before the revolution to 33 per thousand at
  the end of 1371 (last month).

o Dr Namaki also stated that before the revolution only
  254f children received vaccinations to protect them
  from various deseases but this figure reached 93at
  the end of 1371.

o Dr. Malekzadeh, the minister of health mentioned that
  the population growth rate in Iran at the end of 1371
  went below 2.7

o During the visit of Mahathir Mohammad, the prime minister
  of Malaysia, to Iran, agreements for cooperation in the
  areas of industry, trade, education and tourism were
  signed. According to one agreement, Iran will be in
  charge of building Malaysia's natural gas network.

----------------------------------------------------------

 - Farzin Mokhtarian


was condemned. So the Coptic Orthodox Church does not >believe in
Monophysitism.

Sorry!

What does the Coptic Church believe about the will and energy of Christ?
 Were there one or were there two (i.e. Human and Divine) wills and
energies in Him.

Also, what is the objection ot the Copts with the Pope of Rome (i.e. why
is there a Coptic Catholic Church)?  Do you reject the supreme
jurisdiction of the 263rd sucessor of St. Peter (who blessed St. John
Mark, Bishop of Alexandria was translator for) and his predecessors?  Or
his infallibility?  Or what other things perhaps?


: Living things maintain small electric fields to (1) enhance certain
: chemical reactions, (2) promote communication of states with in a
: cell, (3) communicate between cells (of which the nervous system is
: a specialized example), and perhaps other uses.

True.

: These electric fields change with location and time in a large
: organism.

Also True.

: Special photographic techniques such as applying external fields in
: Kirillian photography interact with these fields or the resistances
: caused by these fields to make interesting pictures.

Not really.

Kirlian photography is taking pictures of the corona discharge from
objects (animate or inanimate).  The fields applied to the objects are
millions of times larger than any biologically created fields.  If you
want to record the biologically created electric fields, you've got to
use low-noise, high-gain sensors typical of EEGs and EKGs.  Kirlian
photography is just phun-with-physics type stuff (right up there with
soaking chunks of extra-fine steel wool in liquid oxygen then hitting
them with a hammer -- which, like a Kirlean setup, is fun but possibly
dangerous).

: Perhaps such pictures will be diagonistic of disease problems in
: organisms when better understood. Perhaps not.

Probably not.


Are you certain you didn't mean to post
to alt.french.captain.borg.borg.borg?

You'd better rush home...I hear Kruschev
calling "Come to papa, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu!"


Is posible to make copies of these photographs (or any other aerospace
photographs at NASM) if you pay a copyright fee?


Steve Dyer points out that Sharen was probably thinking of Sulfites. But
the question still stands.


I need to bring on my VW Corrado for body work (I got hit). I was
wondering if anyone has heard of any of these South Bay body shops:

Akins Collision Center of Santa Clara - on Reed St
Auto West Collision - in San Jose
Los Gatos Acura
Royal Auto Body - in Sunnyvale

Thanks!


Excerpts from netnews.comp.windows.x: 23-Apr-93 X Toolkits Paul
Prescod@undergrad.m (1132)

The Andrew User Interface System is supported, maintained, enhanced, and
distributed by the Andrew Consortium, Carnegie Mellon.  The distribution
terms are those of the X consortium, not the GNU Public License.  Thus
anyone can commercially exploit the Andrew code without restriction.
(To encourage membership, however, we defer universal release of the
latest versions until Consortium members have had an opportunity to
explore the new capabilities.)

To se what AUIS looks like, you can try a remote demo.  You need an X
server (R5 is best) on a machine linked to the internet.  Give the
command

	finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu

for instructions.

NOTE:  The demo version does not use the Motif-look-and-feel scrollbar,
but one is available.  You can use it on the demo by changing an option
in the ~/preferences file and starting a new editor.

The Andrew Toolkit component of AUIS is ideal if you want to build
applications using compound documents.  Andrew's major feature is its
architecture for recursive embedding of objects: equation in table in
figure in text, for example.  This architecture extends to areas not
usually found in toolkits, including file stream formats, cut/paste, and
printing.

Andrew also provides some of the most commonly requested applications:
word processor, spreadsheet, drawing editor, and font editor (the latter
two are in version 5.2 which will be generally released on the XR6 tape
in December.)


Okay, I'm trying to install NCSA telnet on a couple (okay, a whole bunch)
of machines.  They're all true blue IBMs with either Fallon Phonenet cards
or Dastar cards.  (I belive those names are correct.)  Well, the docs for
telnet say that it'll run over an AppleTalk driver, but I've had little
success.

If anyone has succesfully installed Telnet w/ AppleTalk, I'd like some
help with the config file for Telnet...

BTW, please reply via E-mail if possible...

Thanks,

Jeremy

--
Jeremy Zawodny | Computer Science Undergrad | Bowling Green State University


Does anyone know of an FTP site where I might find public
domain software for the Motorola 68HC16 microprocessor?
I am looking for a basic interpreter/compilier or a 'C'
compiler.  Thanks in advance.
					Ed Murashie


This must have been in the works for some time.  The Bush administration must
have been working on it for quite a while.  --Clinton simply took the credit (or
blame, depending on how you look at it).


That's an interesting statement.  There's quite a difference between
Hollywood's "Old West" and the real one.  Yes, there were drunks,
saloons, mining camps, and thugs.  However, as McGrath showed, the
thugs preyed almost exclusively on one another.  McGrath claims that
this was due to the fact that no one much cared if someone who
insisted on getting into a fight got his way, even if he lost, while
they really did care when thugs preyed on others.

We haven't figured out that those distinctions don't actually work.
Machine guns have been strictly regulated since 1934.  Said regulation
is both perfect (legally owned machine guns aren't ever used
criminally) and a complete waste of time (the criminal use of machine
guns hasn't change at all).  The result - we're now arguing about
guns that LOOK like machine guns, but are no different than other
guns.

-andy


Hi! Everyone,

Since some people quickly solved the problem of determining a sphere from
4 points, I suddenly recalled a problem which is how to find the ellipse
from its offset. For example, given 5 points on the offset, can you find
the original ellipse analytically?

I spent two months solving this problem by using analytical method last year,
but I failed. Under the pressure, I had to use other method - nonlinear
programming technique to deal with this problem approximately.

Any ideas will be greatly appreciated. Please post here, let the others
share our interests.


Since swapping out my generic VGA card for a Diamod Speedstar 24X, I have
noticed two new problems:

* if I create a windowed MS-DOS session (386 mode), when the text starts
   to scroll, rather than printing characters it starts to print
   horizontal lines that spill out to the desktop and trash the entire
   display.  Ctrl-alt-del terminates the dos window and restores the
   desktop

* after a short time in NCD's PC X-remote for windows, all characters
  displayed on the desktop are changed to be unreadable; I am unable to
  restore without rebooting.

These are in both 256 and 16 color 800x600 drivers, large and small fonts.
DOS 5, Win 3.1, emm386 and smartdrv installed.

I like the speed of the card and have had no other problems.  Any ideas?
Thanks!


	I like it.  PGP would be useful, I guess.  Although I don't have
a working version for VMS yet... :-(


Because there are about 40 homicides total (i.e. using guns, knives,
tire-irons, baseball bats, bare hands, etc...) in Switzerland
each year and 850 homicides, total, in England. That's three
times worse per capita in England than in Switzerland. Since
dead is dead, it really doesn't matter that 60% of the Switz
murders involved a gun or that only 0.9% of the English murderers
do.


And they deserve to be, if for no other reason than salvaging a little of the
honor of the NL West. The supposed strongest division in baseball lost 6 of 7
to the East yesterday, with only the Astros prevailing.
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           We will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length

  paula@koufax.cv.hp.com   Paul Andresen  Hewlett-Packard  (503)-750-3511


I'm really surprised Clinton hasn't already tried to do this.  He seems
to want to tackle other irrelevant issues first, so why not this one as well.

Wrong.  We need its capability.  Sure it has its problems, very few
airplanes haven't, but getting rid of something we need is not the
answer.  What do you want to do, start over a rebuild a new airplane
from scatch?  It'll have its problems as well and there will be calls
again, for it to be scrapped.  THe other option is to try to extend
the life of the C-5s and C-141s that are getting extremely old.

It'll cost jobs, but I'm for it.  We especially don't need a B-2. THe
SSN-21, I know litttle about.


The big-bang model supposes a temporal singularity at the point of
origin. There was _no_ time for a prior cause to occur in. If you
want to invent fables for the surrounding context, fine, but one fable
is only as good as any other. Why should I prefer to believe in a God that
_just_ exists, as opposed to a singularity that _just happened_, or
giant puce subspace iguanas, that fling universes off their tongues
like gobs of spit?

Just your opinion, and unfortunately wrong. Self assembling molecules
have already been produced, entirely from inert matter, and have
spontaneously mutated into a more rapidly assembling form on exposure
to ultraviolet light. Both abiogenesis and the beginnings of evolution,
TODAY. (saw this in "Nature", early last year.)

Biological vitalism is dead, and has been dead for many, many years.
Give it up. Life is not a 'spark'. Life is the self-organization
of systems poised between chaos and order.

Your King baldly and repeatedly stated he would be back within the lifetime
of some then present and alive. "Soon, soon" he said, over and over - as
have many would be messiahs.

It is Nineteen Ninety Three
	of Years Anno Domini
Tell me, Tell me, where is He?
	Nowhere at all, Q. E. D.

	Max G. Webb


[advertises his printing business]

Oh, dear.  Let me be the first on my block.

You have just violated one of the major shibboleths of the Usenet groups:
you're not supposed to use a newsgroup to plug your own commercial
enterprise (of _any_ kind; people frequently get flamed for announcing
they've got a new book out.)

I don't know whether this is an official Usenet rule or just a long-
standing custom, and it doesn't make much difference from a practical
point of view.

So please don't do it again.

And all you others, who are even now taking keyboard in hand to flame
him off the face of the earth--lay off.  He didn't know any better.
He does now.

Dorothy J. Heydt
UC Berkeley
cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu


10).

  A 256K DRAM chip is a 256 kilobit chip whereas a 256K SIMM is a 256
kilobyte memory module. The SIMM is a PCB with a 30 pin connector edge
and on the SIMM are 8 256 kilobit DRAM chips (making the total memory 256
KBytes.

  You are correct assuming that SIMMs will not fit into a LaserWriter.
Apple printers either require 64 pin SIMMs like those in the Mac IIfx or
special memory chips. Contact your Apple dealer to find out exactly what
kind of chips you need.


How are you sure of that?  Weren't there some recent studies that
found corelations between not-yet announced decisions and market changes?

Aren't there continuing early rumors of their deliberations?

Sheesh!  Remember the big scandal a year or two (or 3?) ago about
exactly such leaks?


To recapitulate a bit:

- The essence of marriage is two people's commitment to each other.

- If two people claim to be married "in their hearts" but are not
  willing to have the marriage recognized by church and state, that's
  prima facie evidence that the commitment isn't really there.

- There are obvious situations in which Christian marriage is possible
  without a civil or church wedding: if you're stranded on a desert
  island, or if your state forbids the marriage for an unjust reason
  (e.g., laws against interracial marriage).

- The legal concept of "common-law marriage" is meant to ensure that
  the state will recognize marriages that did not start out with the
  usual ceremony and record-keeping.

- Pastorally, I'm concerned that people should not use "being married
  in God's eyes" as an excuse for living together without a formal wedding.
  One has a duty to have one's marriage properly recorded and witnessed.

- But there are also people who have been through a wedding ceremony
  without making a genuine commitment, and therefore are not married
  in God's eyes.  Right?
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We have one here, at Berg's alma mater (class of 1923).  It's kind of
a sour thing; she disapproved of the job that Sewell et al had done.


I believe you have the correct files. I think what you'll have to
do is go back into Setup and choose change video adapter or
whatever it is called. Then the trick is choose the same adaptor
you currently have. What Setup does is it actually changes the
file WIN.COM whenever you go into it and change the video
hardware selection. It incorporates the contents of VGALOGO.RLE
into WIN.COM when you do this. This trick can also be used to
change the startup logo into whatever you want it to be.
--
[.SIG ALERT]


Subject says it all :)

I'm looking for the jumper settings for an SMS OMTI 8610 AT-bus ESDI
controller card.

Thanks in advance,
Richard


The following are available for $7.00 each (includes postage if in USA):


[Rest deleted.  Can anybody out in a.p.h help out?]

Find out about "the night of the brown shirts".


To All -- I thought the net would find this amusing..

From the March 1993 "Aero Vision" (The newsletter for the Employees
of McDonnell Douglas Aerospace at Huntington Beach, California).

  SPACE CLIPPERS LAUNCHED SUCCESSFULLY

  "On Monday, March 15 at noon, Quest Aerospace Education, Inc.
  launched two DC-Y Space Clippers in the mall near the cafeteria.
  The first rocket was launched by Dr. Bill Gaubatz, director and
  SSTO program manager, and the second by Air Force Captain Ed
  Spalding, who with Staff Sgt. Don Gisburne represents Air Force
  Space Command, which was requested by SDIO to assess the DC-X for
  potential military operational use.  Both rocket launches were
  successful.  The first floated to the ground between the cafeteria
  and Building 11, and the second landed on the roof of the
  cafeteria.

  Quest's Space Clipper is the first flying model rocket of the
  McDonnell Douglas DC-X.  The 1/122nd semi-scale model of the
  McDonnell Douglas Delta Clipper has an estimated maximum altitude
  of 300 feet.  The Space Clippers can be used in educational
  settings to teach mathematics and science, as well as social
  studies and other applications.  The Space Clipper is available
  either in the $35 Space Clipper outfit, which includes everything
  needed for three launches, or as individual rockets for $12 each.
  Both are available through hobby shops or by calling 1-800-858-
  7302."

By the way -- this is not an endorsement to buy the product nor is
it an advertisement to buy the product.  I make no claims about the
product.  This is posted for public information only (hey, I found
it amusing...), and is merely a repeat of what was included in the
MDSSC Huntington Beach Newsletter.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
 Wales Larrison                         Space Technology Investor


There is NO TEAM, repeat, NO TEAM, that is America's team.  This is a diverse
country with 26 MLB teams (+2 up north) and there is no one team that is
America's.  Who would the other teams belong to?

And how does it happen?  Well, teams receive this monicker through success
(Cowboys), national exposure (Cubs), or both (Braves).  It spreas aby
successful advertising campaigns.  Harry Caray, Ted Turner, amd other dupe
people into thinking that their representative teams are "hip" so that people
will watch them on TV and buy their products.  Arrogant local fans adapt the
monicker and think that "their" team is the one that America idolize


I'm thinking of splashing out on a new motherboard for my PC. I am
running Linux as my main OS, with a small DOS partition left for my
flatmates' games.

My current setup is a 386SX-25 (AMD) with 387SX-25 (ITT - I think) and 9
Mbytes of 70ns SIMMS, and (120+100)Mbyte IDE.

Basically I have two choices

1) Get a 386DX-40 + 387DX-40  or
2) Get some sort of 486.

Unfortunately I live in the UK where computer prices are far too high.
The first option works out at about \pounds 200. 486 m/boards start at
this price for a SX-25.

I have a couple of questions.

1) How much of an improvement in speed should I notice if I get a
386DX+copro. Remember I'm using a 32 bit OS, and alot of Floating Point
operations.

2) How much faster would a 486DX-33 be than the 386DX-40+copro ?

Should I get an upgradeable m/board with a 386DX-40 and wait for
AMD/Pentium price pressure to reduce the costs of the 486 ?

	Any experiences will be most helpful ...

		Kenny.

PS. Example prices:

	386DX-40+copro M/board	~$270
	486DX33	M/board		~$580

-----------------------------------------------------------
Kenneth MacDonald		E-mail kenny@castle.ed.ac.uk
Dept. of Geology & Geophysics
University of Edinburgh		Scotland


I wrote in response to dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe):

Was Paul a God too? Is an interpretation of the words of Paul of higher
priority than the direct word of Jesus in Matt5:14-19? Paul begins
Romans 14 with "If someone is weak in the faith ..." Do you count
yourself as one who is weak in the faith?

Yes, but what does the Bible have to say? What did Jesus say? Paul
closes Romans 14 with, "On the other hand, the person with doubts about
something who eats it anyway is guilty, because he isn't acting on his
faith, and any failure to act on faith is a sin." Gaus, ISBN:0-933999-99-2
Have you read the Ten Commandments which are a portion of the Law? Have
you read Jesus' word in Matt5:14-19? Is there any doubt in your mind
about what is right and what is sin (Greek hamartia = missing the mark)?

Whereas, the Ten Commandments and Jesus' words in Matt5:14-19 are fairly
clear, are they not?

Matt5:14-19 doesn't answer your question?

Breaking bread - roughly synonymous with eating.

How do you unite this concept of yours with the Ten Commandments and
Jesus's word in Matt5:14-19?

Or, they assumed that the Ten Commandments and Jesus' word in
Matt5:14-19 actually stood for something? Perhaps they were "strong in
the faith?"

---------------------------

[No, I don't believe that Paul can overrule God.  However Paul was
writing for a largely Gentile audience.  The Law was regarded by Jews
at the time (and now) as binding on Jews, but not on Gentiles.  There
are rules that were binding on all human beings (the so-called Noachic
laws), but they are quite minimal.  The issue that the Church had to
face after Jesus' death was what to do about Gentiles who wanted to
follow Christ.  The decision not to impose the Law on them didn't say
that the Law was abolished.  It simply acknowledged that fact that it
didn't apply to Gentiles.  Thus there is no contradiction with Mat 5.
As far as I can tell, both Paul and other Jewish Christians did
continue to participate in Jewish worship on the Sabbath.  Thus they
continued to obey the Law.  The issue was (and is) with Gentile
Christians, who are not covered by the Law (or at least not by the
ceremonial aspects of it).

Jesus dealt mostly with Jews.  I think we can reasonably assume that
Mat 5 was directed to a Jewish audience.  He did interact with
Gentiles a few times (e.g. the centurion whose slave was healed and a
couple of others).  The terms used to describe the centurion (see Luke
7) suggest that he was a "God-fearer", i.e. a Gentile who followed
God, but had not adopted the whole Jewish Law.  He was commended by
Jewish elders as a worthy person, and Jesus accepted him as such.
This seems to me to indicate that Jesus accepted the prevailing view
that Gentiles need not accept the Law.

However there's more involved if you want to compare Jesus and Paul on
the Law.  In order to get a full picture of the role of the Law, we
have to come to grips with Paul's apparent rejection of the Law, and
how that relates to Jesus' commendation of the Law.  At least as I
read Paul, he says that the Law serves a purpose that has been in a
certain sense superceded.  Again, this issue isn't one of the
abolition of the Law.  In the middle of his discussion, Paul notes
that he might be understood this way, and assures us that that's not
what he intends to say.  Rather, he sees the Law as primarily being
present to convict people of their sinfulness.  But ultimately it's an
impossible standard, and one that has been superceded by Christ.
Paul's comments are not the world's clearest here, and not everyone
agrees with my reading.  But the interesting thing to notice is that
even this radical position does not entail an abolition of the Law.
It still remains as an uncompromising standard, from which not an iota
or dot may be removed.  For its purpose of convicting of sin, it's
important that it not be relaxed.  However for Christians, it's not
the end -- ultimately we live in faith, not Law.

While the theoretical categories they use are rather different, in the
end I think Jesus and Paul come to a rather similar conclusion.  The
quoted passage from Mat 5 should be taken in the context of the rest
of the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus shows us how he interprets the
Law.  The "not an iota or dot" would suggest a rather literal reading,
but in fact that's not Jesus' approach.  Jesus' interpretations
emphasize the intent of the Law, and stay away from the ceremonial
details.  Indeed he is well known for taking a rather free attitude
towards the Sabbath and kosher laws.  Some scholars claim that Mat
5:17-20 needs to be taken in the context of 1st Cent. Jewish
discussions.  Jesus accuses his opponents of caring about giving a
tenth of even the most minor herbs, but neglecting the things that
really matter: justice, mercy and faith, and caring about how cups and
plates are cleaned, but not about the fact that inside the people who
use them are full of extortion and rapacity.  (Mat 23:23-25) This, and
the discussion later in Mat 5, suggest that Jesus has a very specific
view of the Law in mind, and that when he talks about maintaining the
Law in its full strength, he is thinking of these aspects of it.
Paul's conclusion is similar.  While he talks about the Law being
superceded, all of the specific examples he gives involve the
"ceremonial law", such as circumcision and the Sabbath.  He is quite
concerned about maintaining moral standards.

The net result of this is that when Paul talks about the Law being
superceded, and Jesus talks about the Law being maintained, I believe
they are talking about different aspects of the Law.  Paul is
embroiled in arguments about circumcision.  As is natural in letters
responding to specific situations, he's looking at the aspect of the
Law that is currently causing trouble: the Law as specifically Jewish
ceremonies.  He certainly does not intend to abolish divine standards
of conduct.  On the other hand, when Jesus commends the Law, he seems
to be talking the Law in its broadest implications for morals and
human relationships, and deemphasizing those aspects that were later
to give Paul so much trouble.

It's unfortunate that people use the same terms in different ways, but
we should be familiar with that from current conflicts.  Look at the
way terms like "family values" take on special meaning from the
current context.  Imagine some poor historian of the future trying to
figure out why "family values" should be used as a code word for
opposition to homosexuality in one specific period in the U.S.  I
think Law had taken on a similar role in the arguments Paul was
involved in.  Paul was clearly not rejecting all of the Jewish values
that go along with the term "Law", any more than people who concerned
about the "family values" movement are really opposed to family
values.


Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame
start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience.

The meaning of my existence is a question I ask myself daily.  I live
in fear of what will happen when I  die.

I bet some of you are licking your lips now, because you think that
I'm a person on the edge of accepting jeezus.

I was raised in a religious atmosphere, and attended 13 years of
religious educational institutions..  I know the bible well. So well
I can recognize many passages from memory.

<<****Strong opinions start here...****>>

1) The human being is an _animal_ who has, due to his/her advanced
mental facilities, developed religious as a satisfiable solution to
explain the unexplainable.  (For example the ancient Greeks believed
that Apollo drove his chariot across the sky each day was real.  Due
to the advancement of our technology, we know this to be false.

Christianity is an infectious cult.  The reasons it flourishes are
because 1) it gives people without hope or driven purpose in life
a safety blanked to hide behind.  "Oh wow..all i have to do is
follow this christian moral standard and I get eternal happiness."
For all of you "found jeezus" , how many of you were "on the brink?"

but i digress...   The other reason christianity flourishes is its
infectious nature.  A best friend of mine breifly entered a christian
group and within months, they set ministry guidelines for him which
basicaly said this -->Priority #1 Spread the Word.

We are _just_ animals.  We need sleep, food, and we reproduce.  And we
die.

Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG.
Some people use drugs as an escape from reality.  Christians inject
themselves with jeezus and live with that high.

It pities me how many millions of lives have been lost in religious
wars, of which Christianity has had no small part.

When Christians see a "non-believer", they say that person is blind
to the truth, but they cannot realize that it is _they_ who live
with this mask of fakeness each day.  Jesus was just prophet #37696
who happened to have a large influence because at that time the Romans
were (circa 69ad) dispersing the Jewish population and communities
needed some sort of cohesive element to keep them strong in that time
of dire need.

I must go.  These are but a few of my thoughts on Christianity.


I sometimes wonder if Kekule's dream wasn't just a wee bit influenced by
aromatic solvent vapors ;-) heh heh.


The Pens are now being broadcast on 102.5 WDVE.


ites:


[deleted for a very good reason which I'm sure you can guess]

0. Enact a law that bans people without a sense of humor from
   posting allegedly humorous items. If he did this, I think
   his approval rating would go through the roof!

This means we can't quote Ed without his permission. No using these lists
in your .sigs, folks!


The danger in philosophizing about science is that theory and generalization
can end up being far removed from the actual day-to-day of the grunt at the
bench.  Yes, its great to be involved in a process were I can walk into the
lab after a heavy night of dreaming and just do something for the hell of it
(as long as my advisor doesn't catch me - which is easy enough to do), but
stamping out such behavior seems to be the purpose in life of grant review
committees and the peer review process in general.  In today's world that's
what determines what science is: what gets funded.  And a damn good thing to.
Flights of fantasy just don't have much chance of producing anything, at
least not in biomedical research.  The surest way for a graduate student to
ruin their life is to work in a lab where the boss is more concerned with
fleshing out his/her fantasies than with having the student work on a project
that actually has a good chance of producing some results.  MD's seem to
be particularly prone to this aberrant behavior.

I have to agree with Gary Merrill's response to this.  I've read alot of the
Alu and middle repetitive sequence work and it's really very interesting,
good work with implications for many fields in molecular genetics.  It's
really an example of how a well reasoned project turned up interesting
results that were unexpected.


OK, I don't use CView anymore, but I saw that no one had explaind this
"bug" in the thread, so here goes:

It is NOT the fault of CView.  It is DOS!  If you leave a file open on a
floppy drive, then change the disk and do something which updates or closes
that file, you have a good chance of getting part of the directory and FAT
from the other disk written to the new disk.  This has always been true,
and has destroyed data under other programs, not just CView.

The only thing CView can do to improve the situation is to try not to leave
files open unless it's actively using them (ie, reading and decoding).


[ The discussion begins: why does the universe exist at all?  ]

=
= Must there be a "why" to this?  I ask because of what you also
=      assume about God-- namely, that He just exists, with no "why"
=      to His existence.  So the question is reversed, "Why can't
=      we assume the universe just exists as you assume God to
=      "just exist"?  Why must there be a "why" to the universe?"

One of the Laws of Nature, specifying cause and effect seems to dictate
(at least to this layman's mind) there must be a causal event.  No
reasonable alternative exists.

As far as I can tell, the very laws of nature demand a "why".  That isn't
true of something outside of nature (i.e., *super*natural).

[ ... ]

=
= It may be that one day man not only can create life but can also
=      create man.  Now, I don't see this happening in my lifetime,
=      nor do I assert it is probable.  But the possibility is there,
=      given scientists are working hard at "decoding" out "genetic
=      code" to perhaps help cure disease of a genetic variation.
=      Again, though, must there be "why" or a "divine prupose" to
=      man's existence?

I believe the "genetic code" will be entirely deciphered in our lifetimes,
but we will not see man convert entirely inert material into self sustaining,
reproducing life, *ever*.  (I've never been much of a prophet, though. I
can't even *picture* New York in my mind 8^] ).  I don't believe *any*
technology would be able to produce that necessary *spark* of life, despite
having all of the parts available. Just my opinion.

=
= > When you say that man is *only* an animal, I have to think that you are
= > presenting an unprovable statement -- a dogma, if you will.  And one
= > the requires a kind of "faith" too.   By taking such a hard line in
= > your atheism, you may have stumbled into a religion of your own.
=
= As far as we can tell, man falls into the "mammal" catagory.  Now,
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That preposition sort of precludes an absolute, doesn't it?  Without an
absolute conclusion, what are we left with?  I believe the word "faith"
works nicely.

=      if there were something more to the man (say, a soul), then
=      we have yet to find evidence of such.  But as it is now, man
=      is a mammal (babies are born live, mother gives milk, we're
=      warm-blooded, etc.) as other mammals are and is similar in
=      genetic construction to some of them (in particular, primates).
=      For more on this check out talk.origins.
=
= > But before you write off all Christianity as phony and shallow, I hope
= > you'll do a little research into its history and varieties, perhaps by
= > reading Paul Johnson's "A History of Christianity".  From your remarks,
= > it seems that you have been exposed to certain types of Christian
= > religion and not others.  Even an atheist should have enough faith in
= > Man to know that a movement of 2000 years has to have some depth, and
= > be animated by some enduring values.
=
= Well, then, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Judaism,
=      Zoerasterism, Shintoism, and Islam should fit this bit of logic
=      quite nicely... :-)  All have depth, all have enduring values,
=      thus all must be true...

Well then, with an *equal* scale, and under an *equal* standard, investigate
them all, and discover where God is ( or *whether* he is, for the denial of
God is ultimately a statement of faith, non-falsifiable as His existence
may be).

For isn't this the purpose of religion - to discover, and in discovery, to
*know* God?

You don't mind if a few of us send up a prayer on your behalf during your
research, do you?  After all, if we of Christ are deluding ourselves, you
really have nothing to worry about, eh?

Until the King returns,

Jason


The term "stopper" is generally used to refer to a pitcher, one
who can be counted on to pitch a strong game to keep his team from going
on a losing streak.

	The Braves have plenty of pitchers to fit this description,
although right now I'd expect Smoltz or Glavine to take the mantle.

	What the Braves lack, however, is an offensive stopper,
somebody they can look to to bring them out of their hitting slump.
There's just no one there.  The Braves got rid of their best pure
hitter, Lonnie Smith, and only Terry Pendleton on the current roster
has ever shown more than a cursory ability to hit.

	Oh, and another thing that worries me.  Ron Gant seems to have
slowed down a step.  That's scary.  A slow Ron Gant doesn't have much going
for him.


I have a hard time understanding this attitude.

If the gospels are the least bit accurate, then there can be little
doubt that Jesus belived hell was a reality.

As a teacher, what would be the wise and loving thing to do if people
in your audience were headed there?  To warn them!  It would, however,
be rather cruel and/or sadistic to believe that such a place exists
and then remain quiet about it.

The only scenario I can envision in which dimished respect would be
justified is if Jesus knew there was no such place as hell, and spoke
about it anyway, just to scare people. Unless you would accuse Jesus
of this, I would encourage you to reconsider what a loving response
is when you perceive someone to be in danger.


Hi,

I am new to this newsgroup, and also fairly new to christianity. I was
raised as a Unitarian and have spent the better part of my life as an
agnostic, but recently I have developed the firm conviction that the
Christian message is correct and I have accepted Jesus into my life. I am
happy, but I realize I am very ignorant about much of the Bible and
quite possibly about what Christians should hold as true. This I am trying
to rectify (by reading the Bible of course), but it would be helpful
to also read a good interpretation/commentary on the Bible or other
relevant aspects of the Christian faith. One of my questions I would
like to ask is - Can anyone recommend a good reading list of theological
works intended for a lay person?

I have another question I would like to ask. I am not yet affiliated
with any one congregation. Aside from matters of taste, what criteria
should one use in choosing a church? I don't really know the difference
between the various Protestant denominations.

Thanks for reading my post.

Sincerely,

Steve Hoskins


       There are a couple of ways to look at them.  One is, "We want
you to support this Constitution, so we'll say anything that we think
will appeal to you," or the more straightforward, "This is why we think
what we've suggested in this Constitution is a good idea."

       You clearly consider the former to be the primary situation.

       Well, I know Hamilton was a dyed in the wool monarchist, and
probably the authoritarian extreme to Jefferson's democratic impules.
But what would you suggest as a means of determining their opinions
on the government if we don't consider what they wrote about the
government?

       And is writing in support of something automatically "propoganda"
to the point we must assume it is untrue or that they are saying what
they don't believe?

       If the Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords, than
we'd almost have to state that the House of Representatives was also.
(In fact, they both were, because the British government had much
greater power than did the American system).

       I disagree.  The system is not too slow, it was simply designed to
handle less than it has demanded that it handle.  As somebody in Washington
put it (whose name I forget), "Congress has become everybody's city
council."

       Congress is more than capable of quick action, and has more than
enough power and time on its hands, if it confined itself to what its
original jurisidiction was and allowed more local autonomy.

       It is not a case of the system of government they created failing,
but that it is operating under a set of conditions they specifically
wanted to avoid.  Namely, a concentration of power.  It would seem
then that the proper thing to do is not to reduce the power of either
House in some attempt to grease the wheels.  All you'll get then is
a system which moves quicker to do stupid things.  It would make more
sense to make more decisions at a local level.

       Please explain to me how Bush abused the veto in an "extraordinary"
manner.

       I fail to see where any restrictions, implied or otherwise, were
placed on the veto.  It could just as easily have been read as a means
to put a check on democratically popular but unwise (in the executive's
opinion) policies.

       There is no limit in the Constitution to the President's veto power
regarding what a bill is for.  Previous Presidents have used the veto
for any number of reasons, most usually having something to do with their
agenda.  I am really curious how you single Bush out as *the* President
who abused vetos.

       Why is it not a reasonable restriction?  Because 51 Senators
is the magic holy number upon which Laws must be based?  If 41 Senators
feel safe enough with their state constituencies to stand up and
fillibuster isn't that *enough* to indicate there's a sufficient question
as to whether a law is a good idea or not to re-evaluate it?

       Why one earth *should* 51% be sufficient to enact a law which
covers 250 million people in very, very diverse places and living
in radically different conditions?  Why *shouldn't* a super-majority
be required?

       Any system in which the simple majority is given absolute power
to ignore the minority then the minority *will* be ignored.  I do not
see this as a positive thing.  And for all that I'm sure the Republicans
are looking for pork as much as the Democrats, they've got some legitimate
objections to the legislation in question.


Candidate Clinton promised to tax the rich, and most folks thought that
was a pretty nifty idea.  Then President Clinton said he wanted families
who make more than $100,000 to bear 70% of the new tax burden, and many
were quick to complain that their six-figure income does not make them one
of the well-to-do.  It's particularly ironic (to me) that it's in those
traditionally liberal enclaves of the Bay Area and academia where the
wealthy are struggling so to fit themselves into the mantle of "just
regular working-class folk".

Nobody will ever admit to being rich; everybody's middle class.  So who
are The Rich?  Well, I'll throw out some stats from the 1990 Census and
let you be the judge...

Va negvpyr <mzimmersC5E1qK.Fn9@netcom.com>
mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) jevgrf:
} In article <1qcdvbINN5ti@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
} > [...]
} >that would be about $55 to 65 thousand US, and that is what tenured
} >professors can expect to make.  For a PhD with say 10 years experience,
} >$65,000 is a lot less than what he could be making in industry.
}
} Oh?  As a 12-year veteran of Silicon Valley, I've seen precious few
} employment ads that call for PhDs.  And $65K is hardly chump change;
} it's well above the median *household* income for the state.

Bay Area average household income is in the mid-$40,000 range.  National
average is $31,889.  The Bay Area has nearly twice the national average
of six-figure income households (9.1% vs 4.8%*).  The cost-of-living here
may be high, but I don't think it's twice the national average...

} >In Los Angeles, modest home prices can be $500,000.

A 1,500-square-foot tract house in a Bay Area working-class neighborhood
goes for about $250,000.  I doubt that the Los Angeles market is all that
different.  It would appear that this definition of "modest" is perhaps a
bit immoderate...

} So what?  They're no cheaper for those who are gainfully employed.
}
} >In California, $65,000 is not upper-middle-class.
}
} It depends upon your definition; it's clearly above average.

It is more than what two-thirds of California households make.  Seems
to me that belonging to the upper one-third is not an unreasonable
definition of "upper-middle-class".  Note that if that professor's
spouse earns $35,000 they become one of Clinton's "rich" families.

Here's a breakdown of national, California, and Bay Area household incomes:

   <$30K  $30-50K   $50-100K  $100K+
------------------------------------
US  49%     24%        23%      4% * the Census Bureau did some weird
CA  41%     26%        26%      7%   rounding here...more like 5%
BA  34%     25%        31%      9%

And to add a little prespective:

A minimum wage earner working 40 hours/week makes $8,840/year.  The poverty
line for a family of four is $15,171.  If they make up to twice that, the
government considers them to be "working poor".  Say we decide to call this
the "lower-middle-class".  Then how 'bout:

$30-50K annual income is "middle-class".  $50-100K is "upper-middle-class".
$100K+ is "rich".  $1,000K+ is "filthy-rich".  and $10,000+ is "Bill Gates".

make sense? ;^)

-timr


One of those US cases was John Pollard.


}|>  There are two simple procedures for alterating any odometer.
}|>
}|> 1. Mechanical driven odometer:
}|>     Remove the speedo cable from the transmission.
}|>     Attach a drill and run at max speed until the speedo turns over.
}|>     Continue until the desired mileage is reached.
}|>
}|> 2. Electronically driven odometer:
}|>     Remove the sensor wire from the sensor.
}|>     Attach the Calibration out signal from an Oscope to the wire.
}|>     Run until the speedo turns over and attains the desired mileage.
}
}Dear Faster.. I kinda wonder.. have you ever tried version 2? On what?
}Since the sensor wire on a BMW feeds also into the computer.. and we
}don't know what signal voltage is expected from it.. bad things
}*could* happen... also since we don't know the pulse rate, we
}may damage the analog part of the speedo (yes.. BMW uses a combined
}instrument.. speed in analog, trip and total milage is digital) with
}the needle pegged up against the 160MPH stop..
}
}Just a thought...

You've got the oscilliscope, so you connect it up to the sensor wire
and measure this stuff.  That way you know what it expects.


Does anyone out there have or know of, any kind of utility program for

Ribbons?

Ribbons are a popular representation for 2D shape.  I am trying to
find symmetry axis in a given any 2D shape using ribbons.

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated how to start program.

Thanks very much in advance,
Hoi


Very simple.

"X-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide
 against 2.5 million Muslims by admitting to the crime and making
 reparations to the Turks and Kurds."

After all, your criminal grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim
people between 1914 and 1920.

<C5yyBt.5zo@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian)

You must be a new Armenian clown. You are counting on ASALA/SDPA/ARF
crooks and criminals to prove something for you? No wonder you are in
such a mess. That criminal idiot and 'its' forged/non-existent junk has
already been trashed out by Mutlu, Cosar, Akgun, Uludamar, Akman, Oflazer
and hundreds of people. Moreover, ASALA/SDPA/ARF criminals are responsible
for the massacre of the Turkish people that also prevent them from entering
Turkiye and TRNC. SDPA has yet to renounce its charter which specifically
calls for the second genocide of the Turkish people. This racist, barbarian
and criminal view has been touted by the fascist x-Soviet Armenian government
as merely a step on the road to said genocide.

Now where shall I begin?

#From: ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Parlakbilek Ahmet)
#Subject: YALANCI, LIAR : DAVIDIAN
#Keywords: Davidian, the biggest liar
#Message-ID: <1991Jan10.122057.11613@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>

Following is the article that Davidian claims that Hasan Mutlu is a liar:

[some parts are deleted]

				- - -

Receiving this message, I checked the reference, L.Kuper,"Genocide..." and
what I have found was totally consistent with what Davidian said.The book
was like "voice of Armenian revolutionists" and although I read the whole book,
I could not find the original quota.
But there was one more thing to check:The original posting of Mutlu.I found
the original article of Mutlu.It is as follows:

     ======================================================================
    ======

QUATO IS THE SAME, REFERENCE IS DIFFERENT !

DAVIDIAN LIED AGAIN, AND THIS TIME HE CHANGED THE ORIGINAL POSTING OF MUTLU
JUST TO ACCUSE HIM TO BE A LIAR.

Davidian, thank you for writing the page number correctly...

You are the biggest liar I have ever seen.This example showed me that tomorrow
you can lie again, and you may try to make me a liar this time.So I decided
not to read your articles and not to write answers to you.I also advise
all the netters to do the same.We can not prevent your lies, but at least
we may save time by not dealing with your lies.

And for the following line:

I also return all the insults you wrote about Mutlu to you.
I hope you will be drowned in your lies.

Ahmet PARLAKBILEK

#From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat  Dogan)
#Message-ID: <1993Apr8.233029.29094@news.columbia.edu>

n>crap posted by Mr. [(*]!

 o boy!

 Please, can you tell us why those quotes are "crap"?..because you do not
 like them!!!...because they really exist...why?

 As I said in my previous posting, those quotes exactly exist in the source
 given by Serdar Argic ..

 You couldn't reject it...

 Here we go again..
 In the book I have, both the front page and the Author's preface give
 the same year: 1923 and 15 January, 1923, respectively!
 (Anyone can check it at her/his library,if not, I can send you the copies of
 pages, please ask by sct)

I really don't care what year it was first published(1923 or 1924)
What I care about is what the book writes about murders, tortures,et..in
the given quotes by Serdar Argic, and your denial of these quotes..and your
groundless accussations, etc.

[...]

 I claim I have a book in my hand published in 1923(first publication)
 and it exactly has the same quoted info as the book published
 in 1934(Serdar Argic's Reference) has..You couldn't reject it..but, now you
 are avoiding the real issues by twisting around..

 Let's see how you lie!..(from 'non-existing' quotes to re-publication)

 First you said there was no such a quote in the given reference..You
 called Serdar Argic a liar!..
 I said to you, NO, MR.Davidian, there exactly existed such a quote...
 (I even gave the call number, page numbers..you could't reject it.)

 And now, you are lying again and talking about "modified,re-published book"
(without any proof :how, when, where, by whom, etc..)..
 (by the way, how is it possible to re-publish the book in 1923 if it was
  first published in 1924(your claim).I am sure that you have some 'pretty
  well suited theories', as usual)

 And I am ready to send the copies of the necessary pages to anybody who
 wants to compare the fact and Mr.Davidian's lies...I also give the call number
 and page numbers again for the library use, which are:
                 949.6 R 198

  and the page numbers to verify the quotes:218 and 215

 Now, are you claiming that there can't be such a reference by saying "it is
 not possible..." ..If not, what is your point?

 Differences in the number of pages?
 Mine was published in 1923..Serdar Argic's was in 1934..
 No need to use the same book size and the same letter
 charachter in both publications,etc, etc.. does it give you an idea!!

 The issue was not the number of pages the book has..or the year
 first published..
 And you tried to hide the whole point..
 the point is that both books have the exactly the same quotes about
 how moslems are killed, tortured,etc by Armenians..and those quotes given
 by Serdar Argic exist!!
 It was the issue, wasn't-it?

 you were not able to object it...Does it bother you anyway?

 You name all these tortures and murders (by Armenians) as a "crap"..
 People who think like you are among the main reasons why the World still
 has so many "craps" in the 1993.

 Any question?

<C5wwqA.9wL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian)

Well, apparently we have another son of Dro 'the Butcher' to contend with.
You should indeed be happy to know that you rekindled a huge discussion on
distortions propagated by several of your contemporaries. If you feel
that you can simply act as an Armenian governmental crony in this forum
you will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to
another historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but a fact.

I will dissect article-by-article, paragraph-by-paragraph, line-by-line,
lie-by-lie, revision-by-revision, written by those on this net, who plan
to 'prove' that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds is
nothing less than a classic un-redressed genocide. We are neither in
x-Soviet Union, nor in some similar ultra-nationalist fascist dictatorship,
that employs the dictates of Hitler to quell domestic unrest. Also, feel
free to distribute all responses to your nearest ASALA/SDPA/ARF terrorists,
the Armenian pseudo-scholars, or to those affiliated with the Armenian
criminal organizations.

Armenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men,
women and children and is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. You, and
those like you, will not get away with the genocide's cover-up.

Not a chance.

Serdar Argic


dhk@ubbpc.uucp (Dave Kitabjian) writes ...

040 486 030 386 020 286

060 fastest, then Pentium, with the first versions of the PowerPC
somewhere in the vicinity.

No.  Computer speed is only partly dependent of processor/clock speed.
Memory system speed play a large role as does video system speed and
I/O speed.  As processor clock rates go up, the speed of the memory
system becomes the greatest factor in the overall system speed.  If
you have a 50MHz processor, it can be reading another word from memory
every 20ns.  Sure, you can put all 20ns memory in your computer, but
it will cost 10 times as much as the slower 80ns SIMMs.

And roughly, the 68040 is twice as fast at a given clock
speed as is the 68030.


Here in Erie, PA there is a system in the inner city called Rado-Lite (a
trade name) which allows police and ambulance vehicles to gain right of
way by controlling traffic lights through RADIO signals.  The receivers
look much like what you describe, but they include a UHF whip antenna (less
than a foot tall) and a light which flashes on and off to let traffic know that
an emergency vehicle has taken control and is approaching.  Local folklore
says this system was invented here; I don't know if this company has any
other installations.  It has been in operation for at least 30 years, going
only by my memory.


(reference line trimmed)

Well, I'd say that a murderer is one who intentionally committed a murder.
For instance, if you put a bullet into a gun that was thought to contain
blanks, and someone was killed with such a gun, the person who actually
performed the action isn't the murderer (but I guess this is actually made
clear in the below definition).

What do you mean by "reasonable?"

[...]

Yes, it is bad to include the word being defined in the definition.  But,
even though the series is recursively infinite, I think the meaning can
still be deduced.

[math lesson deleted]

Okay, let's look at this situation:  suppose there is a longstanding
feud between two families which claim that the other committed some
travesty in the distant past.  Each time a member of the one family
kills a member of the other, the other family thinks that it is justified
in killing a that member of the first family.  Now, let's suppose that this
sequence has occurred an infinite number of times.  Or, if you don't
like dealing with infinities, suppose that one member of the family
goes back into time and essentially begins the whole thing.  That is, there
is a never-ending loop of slayings based on some non-existent travesty.
How do you resolve this?

Well, they are all murders.

Now, I suppose that this isn't totally applicable to your "problem," but
it still is possible to reduce an uninduced system.

And, in any case, the nested "murderer" in the definition of murder
cannot be infintely recursive, given the finite existence of humanity.
And, a murder cannot be committed without a killing involved.  So, the
first person to intentionally cause someone to get killed is necessarily
a murderer.  Is this enough of an induction to solve the apparently
unreducable definition?  See, in a totally objective system where all the
information is available, such a nested definition isn't really a problem.


My impression -- it's not an area I've played with much -- is that the
much-beloved NE567 is basically obsolete.  If you want to detect a 1kHz
tone, set a switched-capacitor filter chip to that frequency, feed your
input to it, and see if anything comes out the other end.  The NE567 was
what you used when good clean bandpass filters were hard to do; nowadays
they're easy, and the results are better.


We've heard a lot of talk about brainwashing in Waco but the brainwashing
of the general population never ceases to amaze me. Here is an
example of action being taken which results in the worst possible
outcome and despite people's deep intuition telling them something
is wrong the programming will still cut in and say that the
agents probably acted in good faith. NO THEY DIDN'T. They either did
not have enough information to act in good faith or else they acted
knowing the risk. Sums up human stupidity all over and one of these
days it will destroy the fucking planet: "Oh sorry. Didn't think they
would respond by launching a strike. All our best calculations told
us they were bluffing."


# I hope I gave you a fairly solid answer to this one: I simply don't agree
# with the embodied version of a Satan who is a separate creation or a force.

# And there are quite physical descriptions of Heaven and Hell in the
# Holy Qur'an, the Bible, etc.  There have been times in the spiritual
# and intellectual evolution of the modern human when these physical
# descriptions of Heaven, Hell, and Satan were taken quite literally
# and that *worked* for the time.  As I mentioned in the Tradition
# cited above, for example, it was sufficient in the absence of a theory
# about germs and disease spread by worms to simply describe the "evil"
# which was passed to a consumer of spoiled food as "satanic."

     Which begs the question: if Satan in this case is
     metaphorical, how can you be certain Allah is not
     the same way?

# The bottom line here, however, is that describing a spiritual plane
# in human language is something like describing "color" to a person
# who has been blind from birth.  You may want to read the book
# FLATLAND (if you haven't already) or THE DRAGON'S EGG.  The first
# is intended as a light hearted description of a mathematical con-
# cept...

[some deleted for space saving]

# When language fails because it cannot be used to adequately describe
# another dimension which cannot be experienced by the speakers, then
# such conventions as metaphor, allegory, and the like come to be
# necessary.  The "unseen" is described in terms which have reference`
# and meaning for the reader/listener.  But, like all models, a compro-
# mise must be made when speaking metaphorically: clarity and directness
# of meaning, equivalence of perception, and the like are all
# crippled.  But what else can you do?

     This is why I asked the above.  How would you then
     know God exists as a spirit or being rather than
     just being metaphorical?  I mean, it's okay to say
     "well, Satan is just metaphorical," but then you
     have to justify this belief AND justify that God is
     not some metaphor for something else.

     I say this because there are many, many instances of
     Satan described as a being (such as the tormentor in
     the Old Testament book of Job, or the temptor in the
     New Testament Gospels).  In the same way, God too is
     described as a being (or spirit.)  How am I to know
     one is metaphorical and not the other.

     Further, belief in God isn't a bar to evil.  Let's
     consider the case of Satanists: even if Satan were
     metaphorical, the Satanist would have to believe
     in God to justify this belief.  Again, we have a
     case where someone does believe in God, but by
     religious standards, they are "evil."  If Bobby
     does see this, let him address this question also.

[deleted some more on "metaphor"]

Stephen

    _/_/_/_/  _/_/_/_/   _/       _/    * Atheist
   _/        _/    _/   _/ _/ _/ _/     * Libertarian
  _/_/_/_/  _/_/_/_/   _/   _/  _/      * Pro-individuality
       _/  _/     _/  _/       _/       * Pro-responsibility
_/_/_/_/  _/      _/ _/       _/ Jr.    * and all that jazz...


ac = In <9304202017@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
pl = linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden)

pl: 1.  So, did the Turks kill the Armenians?

ac: So, did the Jews kill the Germans?
ac: You even make Armenians laugh.

ac: "An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the
ac: systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of
ac: the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at
ac: least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The
ac: memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and
ac: eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in
ac: 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."

Typical Mutlu.  PvdL asks if X happened, the response is that Y
happened.  Even if we grant that the Armenians *did* do what Cosar
accuses them of doing, this has no bearing on whether the Turks did
what they are accused of.

While I can understand how an AI could be this stupid, I
can't understand how a human could be such a moron as to either let
such an AI run amok or to compose such pointless messages himself.

I do not expect any followup to this article from Argic to do anything
to alleviate my puzzlement.  But maybe I'll see a new line from his
list of insults.


Hello networld,

I'm looking for an X mailreader. Is there a Xelm?

Andreas


Well, the first 2 are easy.  You need the math library.  Try adding -lm after
-lX11.  Don't know if that's the whole problem but it's a start.


For example, I don't own a cordless phone.  With Clipper, I would.  If the
   local men in blue really want to listen to me talk to my friends or order
   pizza, I'm no worse off than I am now, and I don't have to worry about
   local kids or nosy neighbors.
I do tend to agree.  Sigh.

   So, where can I buy a DES-encrypted cellular phone?  How much does it cost?

Of course, if we didn't have government monopolies on cellular phone service,
there probably *would* be some available.

   > How can you reconcile the administrations self proclaimed purpose of
   > providing law enforcement with access to encrypted data without making
   > the clipper system the only crypto available in the U.S... ?
   The Second and Fourth Amendments do come to mind.

The Second Amendment is especially apt, given the ITAR definitions of
crypto equipment as munitions, and the gun-control people's increasing
ability to define things as "assault weapons" and make them illegal.
Triple-DES is obviously used for "assault phones", while
Cripple will be legal, and Triple-Cripple may fall into the gray area
of "illegally upgrading to an assault phone"...


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J.N. Darby was one of the founders of the "Plymouth Brethren" and an
early supporter of dispensationalism.  F.F. Bruce highly approved
of his translation.  He also translated the Bible into several other
languages.

This was from the same fellow who did Young's Concordance, which was
a standard reference work, similar to Strong's concordance.

I believe that these just follow standard reference works.

Some are by Larry Pierce ("Brethren"), some are by Baptists, and I
think that Thompson (of chain reference fame) was Presbyterian)

Another standard reference work that has been around for decades.
A new version was just released and is available through Christian
Book Distributers.

C.I. Scofield was the creator of the Scofield Reference Bible.  For many
people (but not me), this is THE STUDY BIBLE.  The notes are strongly
dispensational.

These are probably the most accurate Strong's numbers available.


Carl Lydick:

Believe what you will.

The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of
a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving
the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the
most likely explanation for events.


Two developments have brought these type of activities back to
the forefront in 1993.  First, in February, the Russians deployed a
20-m reflector from a Progress vehicle after it had departed from
the Mir Space Station.  While this "Banner" reflector was blank,
NPO Energia was very active in reporting that future  Banner
reflectors will be available to advertisers, who could use a space-
based video of their logo or ad printed on the Banner in a TV
commercial, as filmed from the Mir.
   The second development, has been that Space Marketing Inc, the
same company responsible for merchandising space on the Conestoga
booster and COMET spacecraft, is now pushing the "Environmental
Billboard".  As laid out by SMI Chief Engineer Dr Ron Humble of the
University of Colorado Space Laboratory and Preston Carter of the
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, the "Environmental
Billboard" is a large inflatable outer support structure of up to
804x1609 meters.  Advertising is carried by a mylar reflective area,
deployed by the inflatable 'frame'.
   To help sell the concept, the spacecraft responsible for
maintaining the billboard on orbit will carry "ozone reading
sensors" to "continuously monitor the condition of the Earth's
delicate protective ozone layer," according to Mike Lawson, head of
SMI. Furthermore, the inflatable billboard has reached its minimum
exposure of 30 days it will be released to re-enter the Earth's
atmosphere. According to IMI, "as the biodegradable material burns,
it will release ozone-building components that will literally
replenish the ozone layer." The remaining spacecraft will monitor
the atmosphere for another year before it, too, re-enters and burns
up and "adds to the ozone supply."
   This would not be a cheap advertisement, costing at least several
millions of dollars (exact costs were not available).  But SMI
estimates that market exposure would be 3-5X that of the people who
watched the SuperBowl, where a 30-second advertising 'unit' cost
$600,000.  Since SMI is located in Atlanta, Georgia, it is being
promoted as being available in time for the opening of the 1996
Summer Olympics in Atlanta.

But back to Brian's questions:

    See above. As for serious -- if they can get $15-20 M or so (my
estimate of $5-10 for development costs and a flight unit, plus
$10-15 M for a launch), then it's probably real.  They are claiming to
tailor the orbit to overfly specific locations at specific times for
optimum advertising impact so they probably can't piggy back upon
someone else's planned launch and will have to buy a dedicated
launch.  That's a $10-15 M cost they need to raise, right there.
    And there will probably be some legal challenges to this as
well.  Note there is one potential legal challenge to SMI on the use
of launch vehicle advertising already.  While I don't think the
legal challenges would win out (and yes, I am an amateur astronomer,
and no, I don't really like the idea of this additional light
pollution, but I know of no prohibition of it...),  the legal
challenges and court fights would probably remove any positive
aspects of the advertising.  I can imagine several ways to make the
advertisers look like louts for doing this -- which would change
positive market exposure to negative market exposure, and negate the
space advertising advantage.  (Would you spend $15 M to look like an
idiot?)
   (And light pollution might not be too bad -- if it's in a low
enough orbit, and it relies upon reflected light only, it would
only be visible for a short time just after local dusk and before
dawn.  For maximum market exposure, you want to have it visible just
after dusk --minimizing impact on astronomy, since that's the time
of worse seeing due to day/night thermal turbulence.  It might still
be a problem, but perhaps there are ways to mitigate this...)
    As for having real funding -- none that I can identify.  There
were about 60 expressions of interest made on the Conestoga
advertising opportunity, but that included curious folks and was for
only a $500,000 commitment.  I haven't heard of any serious funding
for this, but I'm sure they are shopping the venture around looking
for some money in order to flesh out the concept some more.  But I
am confident there are no firm or paying customers at this time.

   And if anybody wants to cross-post this to sci.astro, please be
my guest.  I don't have posting privileges to that area (or at least
I don't THINK I do...).
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Wales Larrison                            Space Technology Investor


Hi. I recently switched my old Amiga 500 with a 486DX-50. My computer
configuration is :

486DX-50 Mhz. 8/256 kB EISA (Micronics Motherboard ASIC EISA 50Mhz)
16MB Ram
ST3283N 248 MB Harddisk, SCSI
UltraStor24F EISA Cache Controller

When I use Norton6.0 Harddisk benchmark, I get a Harddisk data transfer
about 980 kb/sec. and sometimes 1MB/sec. Is that good ? I thought
that with EISA I could get about 2MB/sec.
Somewhere in the manual for my harddisk I have read, that some host
adapters need to perform a low-level format to optimize the harddisk
performance in that system, do I need that ?
A guy I know, gets a HD transfer about 1.2MB/sec, and he has an ST3283A and
a ISA 486DX-50, how can a ISA with the same system be faster ?

Is there anything that I can do to get a speedier harddisk ?

                                        Thanks.

phantom@diku.dk   (e-mail is preffered)


Of course not.  The USA's only hope is for Yelsen (how ever you spell it) to
fail the referendum, and have the hard-liners take over again.

--
jmd@handheld.com


}1)  I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have
}to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too
}ignorant to know I need to buy)

The following numbers are approximate, and will no doubt get me flamed:

Helmet (new, but cheap)					$100
Jacket (used or very cheap)				$100
Gloves (nothing special)				$ 20
Motorcycle Safety Foundation riding course (a must!)	$140

That leaves you between $900 and $1000 (depending on the accuracy
of my numbers) to buy a used bike, get it registered, get it
insured, and get it running properly. I'd say you're cutting
it close. Perhaps if your parents are reasonable, and you indicated
your wish to learn to ride safely, you could get them to pick up
the cost of the MSF course and some of the safety gear. Early
holiday presents or whatever. Those are one-time (well, long-term
anyway) investments, and you could spend your money on the actual
bike, insurance, registration, and maintenance.


The only folks claiming this are the ATF/FBI who have an interest in
putting the blame on the BD's. Wake up.

Right and proper? How? It was FUBAR from day 1.

From all independent sources. Yes.

It would have hurt nothing to wait and the result could hardly have been
worse.

Sure, it you want to someone you claim is a dangerous paranoid even
more paranoid.

And what makes you think that "waffle boy" didn't tell her to take the
wrap. It was job preservation not "balls".


XGA or XGA-2?  For the original XGA you just need something that can do
1024x768 at 45/90Hz interlaced (just tell them "8514 compatible" and they
should get the idea).  For the XGA-2, get what you like.  I prefer multi-
syncs like the IBM 6319, the NECs or even a fixed frequency monitor like
my home Viewsonic 6.  I like the Multisyncs because it's easy to run them
in modes like 800x600x64k colors noninterlaced, or at higher modes like
1360x1024x16.


Be very careful with these results!  As I recall, numbers from Winbench
2.5 are calculated differently from 3.1, and so these figures are not
comparable.

However, to answer Stephen's question, replacing the Ahead B card with
a Diamond 24x will yield a cost-effective, dramatic speed increase for
Windows.  That or the ATI Graphics Ultra Plus....


Forsale:
Nintendo control Deck with two controllers and gun, one controller has
grips attached.
the NES will only connect to a composite monitor or TV with audio and
video RCA Input jacks and needs some repairs.
25$ or best offer

games for sale
15$  Tecmo Baseball
15$  Techmo Bowl
15$  Double Dribble
15$  Wayne Gretzky Hockey
15$  Golf
10$  Super Mario/Duck Hunt
10$  Toobin'
10$  Spelunker
25$  Tecmo Super Bowl
============
130$ total, I'll give all of them to you for 100$ or best offer and throw
in the control deck...

I'll also accept the best offer for each of the games

the oldest of these is two years old, most of them are less than a year old.


          ^^

I think you mean late '60s.  The biggest change that Porsche undertook to
alter the tailhappieness of their baby was way back in August 1968 (for the
'69 model year) when they stretched the wheelbase.  Besides, some people
actually _KNOW_ how to take advantage of oversteer, and enjoy it.

                                                   ^^^^^

               ^^^^ ^^^^

You should have seen what Phil Hill (_*WORLD CHAMPION*_) had to say about
the Vette's he's driven.

         ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^

Yeah, that was what he said.  :-)

Paul Frere agreed.  They both prefered the Porsche (modified by Ruf) to
either of the Vette's at that test.


     In previous postings by Hellman, Bellovin, etal it was
reported the Big Brother (Clipper) chip will encrypt plaintext in
64 bit blocks as is done with DES.  The users key K which can be
derived from RSA, Diffy-Hellman, etc. is used to encrypt
plaintext M and is then used to form a "three part message".
     This three part message consists of E[M; K], K encrypted
with some other key, and the chip serial number.  This three part
message is then encrypted by still another key.
     My question is: What is a message?
     For example, say we are dealing with an encrypted digitized
voice application.  The speech waveform is sampled and digitized
and then some number of samples are grouped into a 64 bit block.
This block is then encrypted and transmitted over a non-secure
communications link.
     Where is the three part message?  Is something appended to
each 64 bit block?  Is a header sent at the beginning of the
session?
     If the header is sent at the beginning of the session, how
do they insure the equipment manufacturer using the chip does
just that?  Can just anyone manufacture products using the chip?
Is a facility clearance required to manufacture?
     Any ideas?


Isn't is funny how someone who seems to know nothing about homosexuality
uses a very flawed (IMHO) source of information to pass jusgement on all
homosexual and bisexual men.  It would seem more logical to say that since
the heterosexual group of men is larger then the chances of promiscuity
larger as well.  In my opinion, orientation has nothing to do with it.

Men are men and they all like sex.  I am a gay male.  I have had sex three
times in my life, all with the same man.  Before that, I was a virgin.

So... whose promiscuous?

Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they have no morals.  Just because
someone is heterosexual doesn't mean they do.  Look at the world....
Statistics alone prove that most criminals are by default hetero...

Look closely at the person, not the group.

All flames will be ignored.  :)

Later,


For better worse, the source on this on is Michael Barnsley. His article
in The Science of Fractal Images (Peitgen et al) is a fair-to-middling
intro. Barnsley's book Fractals Everywhere is a more thorough treatment.
The book covers Iterated Function Systems in general, and their application
to image compression is clear from the text.