According to the (seen several times) postings from Dale Adams of Apple
Computer, both the 610 and the 650 require 80ns SIMMS - NOT 60 ns.  Only
the Centris 800 requires 60 ns SIMMs.


Anyone have figures or pointers to references about
how fast/much car prices have gone up in the last decade?


I've been a very intent NREN spectator of the NREN for years.  As a
commercial IP software vendor, it really is my professional opinion that the
NREN, at this point, is irrelevant to private sector networking.  If it had
been deployed five years ago, it would have been a major development.  Now,
however, it's just an upgrade to the NSFnet, and an attempt to revive the
lagging use of the national supercomputer centers.  You could cut out the
NSFnet completely, and the Internet would continue chugging along without a
hiccup (aside from a few universities).

Long-haul networking and Internet connectivity have long since ceased to be
under federal sponsorship or regulation, at least in the USA.  The success of
the CIX (Commercial Internet Exchange) is a prime example of this.  While our
dear VP has been promoting his "data superhighway," the private sector has
been building it, without the NSFnet's restrictions.

To illustrate, a connection from the machine on my desk to the machine your
article was posted from (pizzabox.demon.co.uk) involves *only* commercial IP
providers until it hits Amsterdam.  No NSFnet.  No NREN.  No "appropriate
use" restrictions.  It's even 1.544mbps (T1) until it hits the EUnet
gateway...

QED.


What is the deal with life on Mars?  I save the "face" and heard
associated theories. (which sound thin to me)

Are we going back to Mars to look at this face agian?
Does anyone buy all the life theories?


The multi-lingual archives at The Computing Research Labs, New Mexico
State University will be moving to a new ftp address soon.  The
archives are being put under control of the Consortium for Lexical
Research.

The new ftp address will be: clr.nmsu.edu (the current IP address
is 128.123.1.12 but may change, so use clr.nmsu.edu whenever
possible).

Please note that there is a difference between ftp sites crl.nmsu.edu and
clr.nmsu.edu.  The crl.nmsu.edu site will be our ftp site for items
not related to the Consortium for Lexical Research.

The Arabic, Chinese, French, Italian, Indian, Japanese, Korean,
Tibetan, and Vietnamese archives will all be moved.

We will announce the new locations of the relevant directories once
the archives have been moved.

Please be patient if you discover directories missing when you ftp to
either crl.nmsu.edu or clr.nmsu.edu.  It will take a few days to move
everything.

If you are not familiar with our multi-lingual archives, we have been
slowly collecting various software, fonts, and text for different
languages over the past 2 years.  Most of the software is currently
Unix oriented.  We would also like to encourage people to continue to
contribute items to the archives to help improve the quality and
quantity of multi-lingual tools.

If you have an item to contribute, please put it in:

clr.nmsu.edu:incoming/

and send a note to lexical@nmsu.edu telling them about your
contribution.

If you have any questions or comments, please send them to:
lexical@nmsu.edu


By rotating the plate around the mouse ball counter-clockwise you can open
the mouse and clean it. It isn't as obvious as the Desktop Bus Mouse I but
it opens quite easily once you see what has to be done.

-Geoff
--
geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU - Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business


=========================
commodore 128
epson homewriter 10  9 pin printer
1571 d/s disk drive
2 joysticks
1 mouse
lotsa software, both games and apps.
rapid fire joystick adapter
==========================
about a year old

$130 OBO


Both protests would be denied, of course.  The umpire's judgement
determines the garbage thing, although I think the game should be
called (but that's my personal opinion...doesn't matter).  There
is time only when the ump says, so the second argument is baseless.


North heavy Duty hi hat stand $45
	older stand... but definately in working shape.. could
	use a little clean up.  comes with clutch and felts, etc..

Pearl bass drum pedal with felt beater $20

honer cymbal stand $15 (needs some work on cymbal stem)

Zildjian 20" Ride cymbal  $55
	main line zildjian... older ride cymbal

Ludwig snare stand $10
	okay snare stand.. NOT like a remo though ;)

shipping extra.. please email


When sw is delivered you will often (always?)  get 360 k
diskettes if you opt for the 5 1/4 inch format. How big a %-tage
of existing PC/XT/AT/PS2's have these low capacity drives as
their only diskette station?
                                   (o o)
+------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-----------------------------+
+------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+


For Windows 3.1, I have had the best luck using the Epson LQ-2550 drivers
with my Citizen GXS-140+.  Be sure to download the updated version from
Microsoft that allows margin settings.


As you point out, the experiments would be difficult. But we know
enough about the physics of the situation to do some calculations.
There are in fact three effects contributing to leaning the bike over
to begin a turn.

	1. Gyro effect causing a torque which twists the bike over.

	2. Contact patch having shifted to one side, causing bike to fall over.

	3. Contact patch being accelerated to the side, causing a
	torque which twists the bike over.

Take an average bike/rider, average bike wheel, and at speeds of 5,
15, and 50 mph (say) calculate how much twist of the bars would be
needed to produce (say) 20 degrees of lean in (say) 2 seconds by each
effect alone. My guess is that at slow speeds 2 is dominant, and at
high speeds 3 is dominant, and at all speeds 1 contributes not far off
bugger all, relatively speaking.

By the way, a similar problem is this: how does a runner who wants to
run round a corner get leaned into the corner fast? Is there a running
group where we could start "counter-footing" arguments and have them
all falling over as they tried to work out how they go round corners?


That's a twin-cam, right?  There's a steel guard right next to
the sprocket to keep a broken chain from punching a hole in the
engine cases, and it's needed.  There's probably not enough room
to fit a bigger sprocket.

I'd be inclined to take two teeth off the rear for a 5% ratio
change rather than adding one to the front for about 7%.  If you
raise the overall gear ratio too much you'll impair the bike's
rideability, because the gears will be far enough apart that
there will be only one gear that provides adequate response at
any given speed.  Honda 750s don't have the widest of power
bands.
--


Forwarded from:
PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE
JET PROPULSION LABORATORY
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
PASADENA, CALIF. 91109. (818) 354-5011

Contact:  Mary A. Hardin

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                              April 15, 1993
#1506

     Scientists at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory report the
successful flight of a balloon carrying instruments designed to
measure and study chemicals in the Earth's ozone layer.

     The April 3 flight from California's Barstow/Daggett Airport
reached an altitude of 37 kilometers (121,000 feet) and took
measurements as part of a program established to correlate data
with the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (UARS).

     The data from the balloon flight will also be compared to
readings from the Atmospheric Trace Molecular Spectroscopy
(ATMOS) experiment which is currently flying onboard the shuttle
Discovery.

     "We launch these balloons several times a year as part of an
ongoing ozone research program.  In fact, JPL is actively
involved in the study of ozone and the atmosphere in three
important ways," said Dr. Jim Margitan, principal investigator on
the balloon research campaign.

     "There are two JPL instruments on the UARS satellite," he
continued.  "The ATMOS experiment is conducted by JPL scientists,
and the JPL balloon research provides collaborative ground truth
for those activities, as well as data that is useful in its own
right."

     The measurements taken by the balloon payload will add more
pieces to the complex puzzle of the atmosphere, specifically the
mid-latitude stratosphere during winter and spring.
Understanding the chemistry occurring in this region helps
scientists construct more accurate computer models which are
instrumental in predicting future ozone conditions.

     The scientific balloon payload consisted of three JPL
instruments:  an ultraviolet ozone photometer which measures
ozone as the balloon ascends and descends through the atmosphere;
a submillimeterwave limb sounder which looks at microwave
radiation emitted by molecules in the atmosphere; and a Fourier
transform infrared interferometer which monitors how the
atmosphere absorbs sunlight.

     Launch occurred at about noontime, and following a three-
hour ascent, the balloon floated eastward at approximately 130
kilometers per hour (70 knots).  Data was radioed to ground
stations and recorded onboard.  The flight ended at 10 p.m.
Pacific time in eastern New Mexico when the payload was commanded
to separate from the balloon.

     "We needed to fly through sunset to make the infrared
measurements," Margitan explained, "and we also needed to fly in
darkness to watch how quickly some of the molecules disappear."

     It will be several weeks before scientists will have the
completed results of their experiments.  They will then forward
their data to the UARS central data facility at the Goddard Space
Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland for use by the UARS
scientists.

     The balloon was launched by the National Scientific Balloon
Facility, normally based in Palestine, Tex., operating under a
contract from NASA's Wallops Flight Facility.  The balloon was
launched in California because of the west-to-east wind direction
and the desire to keep the operation in the southwest.

     The balloons are made of 20-micron (0.8 mil, or less than
one-thousandth of an inch) thick plastic, and are 790,000 cubic
meters (28 million cubic feet) in volume when fully inflated with
helium (120 meters (400 feet) in diameter).  The balloons weigh
between 1,300 and 1,800 kilograms (3,000 and 4,000 pounds).  The
scientific payload weighs about 1,300 kilograms (3,000) pounds
and is 1.8 meters (six feet) square by 4.6 meters (15 feet) high.

     The JPL balloon research is sponsored by NASA's Upper
Atmosphere Research Program and the UARS Correlative Measurements
Program.


While there are too many PS clones to count, some of which are quite poor,
trying to clone something that goes through regular modifications does require
some patience. Three questions come to mid real quick for something like
this.

Q:	Which version of Adobe PS will we clone?
	Aside from the level 1 and level 2 issues, Adobe has in the past released
	new code that incorporates modifications/upgrades/fixes just as all other
	software vendors do. The level 2 stuff may seem sound now, but I assure
	you,changes will become more frequent as their customer list begins to
	dwindle in the face of competition. This allows them to shift people to
	maintenance, as well as design efforts for level 3.

Q:	Do we duplicate the bugs, or do we make it work correctly?
	From the LaserWriter to the LaserJet 4 there have been bugs. (If I had
	a number to call at HP or Adobe, they'ld have heard from me.) Deciding
	which approach to take depends on which printer you want to emulate.

Q:	Do we follow the Red Book, or do we follow someone's implementation?
	Without a doubt, there are differences between the Red Book and Adobe's
	PS. With level 2 many issues have been refined but the Red Book does
	leave big, big holes in the implementation specific stuff. It would be
	nice it the Red Bood at least pined things down enough so that two
	different implementations of Adobe's PS don't do the exact opposite given
	an identical set of conditions.

Q:	PSCRIPT.DRV?
	Having done a lot of PS clone testing myself, the unfortunate side of
	testing is the limited number of sources for test files. The primary
	source we use is Genoa. And having characterizes their 1992 PS ATS files,
	(1300+ of them) over half are taken from PSCRIPT.DRV. It may not ideal,
	but the ATS files are what the printer vendors use. I'm sure that Adobe
	uses them too, but Adobe's output is by definition correct, even if its
	wrong.

Yes, there are some very poor clones. We've seen them here at Rastek (a sub
of Genicom which has its own clone called GeniScript). Some are poor for lack
of design, some are poor because they followed the Red Book, and some are poor
because the vendors don't know what PS is.


Hi,
	Does anyone know anything about this group and what they
do? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!


How can I get the font family, weight and slant from an
instance of a widget? Using initFontContext(), getNextFont()
and freeFontContext() I can get the size of the font (and a
bunch of other stuff concerning the font) but nowhere have
I found family, weight and slant. Assume that I do not have
access to the source where family, weight and slant were
orginaly used when creating a fontlist.
Thanks a bunch and have a great day,
Carl
carl@softsolut.com


Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5
 million Muslim people)

p. 204 (first paragraph).

"I was soon asleep. In the night I was awakened by the persistent crying of
 a child. I arose and went to investigate. A full moon enabled me to make
 my way about and revealed to me all the wreck and litter of the tragedy
 that had been enacted. Guided by the child's crying, I entered the yard of
 a house, which I judged from its appearance must have been the home of a
 Turkish family. There in a corner of the yard I found a women dead. Her
 throat had been cut. Lying on her breast was a small child, a girl about a
 year old."

Serdar Argic


   It depends on the attack.  Adding a bit to the key doubles the amount of
work to be done in a straight brute-force attack, where you try every single
possible key until one works.  Processing and storage requirements for this
kind of attack on a 128-bit key seem like they ought to make it effectively
impossible.  However, there may be other attacks whose difficulty is (for
example) proportional to, say, 2**sqrt(n), or some such.  Also, a long
key does you little good if there is a way to incrementally guess a little
of the key at a time....


Does anyone know of bigger raster fonts?  I'm using a Mag 15H monitor with
a Diamond SS24X in 1280x1024 mode and would prefer to have larger characters
for the windows heading (practically for everything).  I'm already using the
8514 character sets.

mark


Could some kind soul out there e-mail me the 411 on where I can find the mlb.c
program?  I'm interested in some road trips this year....


Suppose the Soviets had managed to get their moon rocket working
and had made it first.  They could have beaten us if either:

* Their rocket hadn't blown up on the pad thus setting them back,

and/or

* A Saturn V went boom.

If they had beaten us, I speculate that the US would have gone
head and done some landings, but we also would have been more
determined to set up a base (both in Earth Orbit and on the
Moon).  Whether or not we would be on Mars by now would depend
upon whether the Soviets tried to go.  Setting up a lunar base
would have stretched the budgets of both nations and I think
that the military value of a lunar base would outweigh the value
of going to Mars (at least in the short run).  Thus we would
have concentrated on the moon.


Hi, I'm new to Internet, so this is a bit of a test message, so even a
token reply would be very appreciated.


I recently purchased the then current Pkg.# 486dx-33 for $2395 (but changed
to NEC 3FGx monitor upgrade). Buy this Pkg. #3 now - for $100 more, you now
get a bigger HD - 340mb with @256 HD cache. 30 days ago, when I bought this
pkg., it was 245mb with @132K HD cache. This is a great deal although it is
generally recommended you at least upgrade to the 15' Zeos (CTX) monitor for
$99 more I believe.  Whether you also upgrade to the Diamond Viper video
card is your choice. I stayed with the Diamond Speedstar Pro. Zeos Tech
Support is really good - call after normal business hours to get the
fastest access. The hardest part about buying a Zeos is the wait till it is
delivered - once you order you can hardly wait to get it! There are quite a
few good mail order houses around - lots of bang for buck with Zeos.


My MDC cipher (which uses any one-way hash function as a CFB-mode stream
cipher, the current implementation uses MD5) uses a key of up to 2048 bits
(that is, you can use a 1-bit key if you want and copy it over the entire
2048-bit range, or you can use the entire 2048 bits).  Runtime is
independant of key size, the system runs slightly slower than MD5 itself.
I presume RC2 and RC4 use a similar system (or possibly they just hash an
arbitrary-length key down to n bits, maybe 128, using something like MD5).


I am looking for comments from people who have used/heard about PhotoShop
for Windows. Is it good? How does it compare to the Mac version? Is there
a lot of bugs (I heard the Windows version needs "fine-tuning)?

Any comments would be greatly appreciated..

Thank you.


     Now doesn't this sound a lot like the "colorful (or otherwise) story
     from antiquity that somehow tries to (or does) explain natural pheno-
     mena"?  I think I hear what you're saying, but I'm not convinced that
     I know what you mean.  The possibility exists that what _looks_ like
     "myth" on the surface may be after all much more than "just" a story.

     * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


Yep...I think it's the only CB750 with a 630 chain.
After 14 years, it's finally stretching into the "replace" zone.

<Sigh> I know .... I know.


GRE software for MS-DOS, from StudyWare. original disk, manual.
Tutorial stuff,tests, examples and a lot more.
Retail price is around $50.

Best offer around $15.00, will pay shipping

For best results, you need a graphic display card, EGA or VGA


Oh yea?  Which version of the Bible is the perfectly preserved one?  And
why are there so many translations that are not perfectly preserved?  Is
God trying to confuse us?

But that is exactly what happend.  There are so many branches of
denominations of Christianity and deviations of doctrine portruding
from varying translations of biblical texts by "serious students" that
are much too numerous to begin to count.  If there is a Perfect Bible,
then there would be no possible misinterpretation and there would be
no need for anyone here to be debating it.  On the other hand, maybe
the Bible is perfect, but no one on this planet is perfect enough to
read it correctly, but then there would be no point in God giving us
something we cannot use correctly.

IMHO, if you trust your salvation on the reliability of a single book,
you are on weak ground.  Remember, In the beginning was the Word, and
the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  This Word existed BEFORE
the Bible was written.  (Note: Word <==> God).  This Word that John is
trying to describe cannot be fully described in any written language,
all languages being IMPERFECT.  Realization comes only from contemplation
of the Word, and is outside the boundaries of language.  I use the Bible
as a guide, a stepping stone, but in no way is it my final authority.
God alone is the final authority.


>specific objections that don't sound frighteningly technical.


 More correctly: when people die, they cease to exist.

 The idea I've gotten is that to christians, Hell is -- like Heaven --
 afterlife; i.e, you don't cease to exist, but are subjected to eternal
 torture (well, that's the orthodox idea anyway; "eternal death" if you
 prefer that). Atheists don't believe in any sort of afterlife.

 I think it's safe to say that Hell was never intended metaphorical. Certainly
 not the equivalent of ceasing to exist. Some christian concepts are indeed
 metaphors, but your idea of Hell is a 20th century interpretation. It is, of
 course, nice to see that even christianity might evolve to fit the worldview
 of modern age, but I fear the church will not accept it. Understandably, per-
 haps, because if you accept that Hell is a metaphor, then you're one step
 closer to turning God into a metaphor as well.


Does anyone know what is available in terms of automated testing
of X/Motif applications. I am thinking of a system which I could
program (or which could record events/output) with our verification
test procedures and then run/rerun each time we do regression
testing. I am interested in a product like this for our UNIX
projects and for a separate project which will be using OpenVMS.


I also returned PB memory last summer for credit, and the sales person warned
me not to use US mail.  I did (although I did insure the shipment), and
apparently Techworks got it.

My minor grip with techworks is that they have different price lists for
different people.  I ordered DUO memory, thinking I got their "best" price
because of my employeer.  I subsequently found out that Apple was offering
developers memory for less than techworks charged, called up to complain,
and was told I should have said I was an apple developer and they credited
my card for about 16% of the purchase price.   I like techworks quality
and installation instructions (and they include powerbook tools), but
for out-of-CA purchases (no sales tax) chip merchant seems to be a bit less.


Take a look at mini-vans.  I sat in a Dodge Caravan, which had a high seat
and plenty of headroom.


:
: Can you please point to something, anything, that proves to me that
: the universe cannot possibly be explained without accepting as a fact
: the existence of a god in precisely the way your holy book describes?
:
: Can you please convince me that your religion is more than a very
: cleverly-constructed fable, and that it does indeed have some bearing
: on my own personal day-to-day life?

Would you consider the word of an eye-witness (Peter) to testify to the
events surrounding Jesus' life?

 2Pe 1 16 ¶ We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you
 about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were
 eyewitnesses of his majesty.

 2Pe 1 17 For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the
 voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is my Son, whom
 I love; with him I am well pleased."¹

 2Pe 1 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we
 were with him on the sacred mountain.

 2Pe 1 19 ¶ And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and
 you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark
 place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.

This is a documented testimony. Perhaps further research on your part is
warranted before making more statements. There is considerably more to study
in Peters' two books of testimony regarding the Messiah. It is well worth
your time, Mr. Brian.


I am involve in a Distant Learning project and am in need
of Jpeg and Mpeg encode/decode source and object code.
This is a NOT-FOR PROFIT project that once completed I
hope to release to other educational and institutional
learning centers.
This project requires that TRUE photographic images be sent
over plain telephone lines. In addition if there is a REAL Good
GUI lib with 3D objects and all types of menu classes that can
be use at both end of the transaction (Server and Terminal End)
I would like to hear about it.

We recently posted an RFD announcing the OTG (Open Telematic Group)
that will concern itself with the developement of such application
and that it would incorporate NAPLPS, JPEG, MPEG, Voice, IVR, FAX
Sprites, Animation(fli, flc, etc...).
At present only DOS and UNIX environment is being worked on and it
our hope that we can generate enough interest where all the major
platform can be accomodated via a plaform independent API/TOOLKIT/SDK
We are of the mind that it is about time that such project and group
be form to deal with these issues.
We want to setup a repository where these files may be access such as
Simte20 and start putting together a OTG FAQ.
If you have some or any information that in your opinion would be
of interest to the OTG community and you like to see included in our
first FAQ please send it email to the address below.

Thanks in Advance

Ed
P.O. box 95901
Atlanta Ga. 30347-0901
(404)985-1198 zyxel 14.4
epimntl@world.std.com
ed.pimentel@gisatl.fidonet.org


Hello All,

I have a PC Transporter for sale. It will work with either an Apple IIe or a
GS. However, I only have the GS installation kit. This PCT also has a
co-processor installed. It comes with the latest software (2.05) and a 3.5
drive. So what you get is :

PC Transporter  (no problems runs great)
Installation kit for above PCT (GS) with video tape instructions
All needed harware with color adapter for monitor
8087 co processor installed on board
All manuals and software (ver 2.05 AEPC)
one 3.5 800K drive to hook to the PCT (or GS)

		 Brian Laakso


Can anybody tell me how to use the Xmu function "XmuCvtStringToWidget". I
want to specify a widget name in a resource file so that I can connect
two widgets together on an XmForm. ie.

MyProggy*MyListSW.topWidget:               MainTextSW

However, when I run the program, I get the message:

Warning: No type converter registered for 'String' to 'Window' conversion.

(Just like the manual sez).

I have managed to find this bit of code which seems to be the correct way
to go about this:

    static XtConvertArgRec parentCvtArgs[] = {
        {
            XtWidgetBaseOffset,
            (XtPointer)XtOffsetOf( CoreRec, core.parent ),
            sizeof(CoreWidget)
        }
    };

    XtSetTypeConverter( XtRString, XtRWidget, XmuCvtStringToWidget,
                            parentCvtArgs, XtNumber(parentCvtArgs), XtCacheAll,                                NULL );

However, I haven't got a clue where to put it! The example code I have seems
to suggest I can only do this if I am creating my own widget; but elsewhere it
says that I can add it to a widget's "class_intialize" function. HOW? What's
one of those? :-(

If anybody has any code to do this, please let me know the trick - I'm sure
this is a FAQ.

Thanks in advance,

Rik.

PS: What are the header files "CoreP.h" and "IntrinsicsP.h" - should I use
    these or "Core.h" and "Intrinsics.h" (OK I know RTFM:-)


    ^^^
How long does he have to take in fixing it?  Does he have to use new
parts when he repairs it or can he substitute used parts without your
knowledge?  Can he charge you for repairs that should be under warranty
but he claims are due to improper maintenance on your part?

When it comes to local dealers:

- Have fun getting consistently good support.  Most of their "techs" are
re-treaded salesmen, not trained technicians, with a high turnover rate.

- Have fun getting in-warranty work done quickly and courteously.

- Have fun getting out-of-warranty work done cheaply, or even done
period, unless you are on a paid service contract.

Having been both a service technician, and a service manager, at a
ComputerLand franchise and another retail computer place, I know what
I'm talking about.

I also know the "local service" scam that retail computer dealers like
to push when they're selling.  It's that same old song that car dealers
having been singing for years -- "Buy from me and you'll get good
service. We always treat our customers right!  Buy from my competition
and you'll be sorry if you need service."

Experienced mail order buyers know that there are some mail order
companies that give excellent service, including overnight replacement parts,
on-site calls, etc. There are probably some local dealers that can give you
good service, too. But if you think all local dealers give consistenly good
service, you are wrong.  I have many anectdotes to prove my point,
but I'm sure there are others on the net can do a better job than I can.


Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the
kingdom of heaven.


Isn't this what HIV is about - the "normal immune response" to an exposure?

I had electrical pulse nerve testing done a while back.  The needles were taken
from a dirty drawer in an instrument cart and were most certainly NOT
sterile or even clean for that matter.  More than likely they were fresh
from the previous patient.  I WAS concerned, but I kept my mouth shut.  I
probably should have raised hell!


I understand how israel captured the teritory and feels that it
is its right to annex it. I can't fully understand why it has
to deal with palestinians much the same way jews were treated
before the holocaust (the Final Solution) by Hitler. What I
totally don't get is why the U.S. has to subsidize the
existance of such a thorough abuser of human rights.
				Just wondering


No, there's no evidence that would convince any but the most credulous.

The "evidence" is identical to the sort of evidence that has been
used to justify all sorts of quack treatments for quack diseases
in the past.

I like the implication here.  It must not be that the quacks making
millions off such "diseases" are biased -- rather that those who
doubt their existence don't understand the real world.  It seems
easy to picture a 19th centure snake oil salesman saying the same
thing.

However, I have been in the trenches long enough to have seen multiple
quack diseases rise and fall in popularity.  "Systemic yeast syndome"
seems to be making a resurgence (it had fallen off a few years ago).
There will be new such "diseases" I'm sure with best-selling books
and expensive therapies.

Well this, of course, is convincing.  I guess I'd better start diagnosing
any illnesses that people want so that I can keep my lips.


Thus said djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein):

Given the description of the algorithm given, the only plausible
explantion I can find is that K_P must be agreed to out of bandwidth
in advance by the two parties; i.e. it's a standard shared symmetric
key.


	I believe SI had an in-depth article on Moe a while ago. I remember
	that the article revealed some new facts regarding the secretive
	Moe. My SI subscription expired this past February, the second of
	two years that I received same. Therefore my guess is that the
	article appeared sometime in 1991-92.

	Can anyone else be more definitive as to a date of the SI article ?


subscribe min@stella.skku.ac.kr


Why?  If you're not a threat, you're not affected at all.

Why?  I note that the available psych info says that feelings of
security INCREASE.  The victimization stats say that that increase
is rational.

Yes, they are, but how?

Nope - that doesn't happen.  Instead the switch (among those who
change behaviors) to property crimes.  That's an improvement even if
the economic take is unchanged.  Sure - not everyone switches, but
they were killing before.

-andy


Sheesh! I don't know what kind of women they have where you guys live,
but there are some ladies here who will blow your doors off. Or at least
they will try to, but we just can't let the youngsters get too uppity
with us old folks :-).


Hi.  I'm writing a program to convert .dxf files to a database
format used by a 3D graphics program I've written.  My program stores
the points of a polygon in CCW order.  I've used 3D Concepts a
little and it seems that the points are stored in the order
they are drawn.

Does the DXF format have a way of indicating which order the
points are stored in, CW or CCW?  Its easy enough to convert,
but if I don't know which way they are stored, I dont know
which direction the polygon should be visible from.

If DXF doesn't handle this, can anyone recommend a workaround?
The best I can think of is to create two polygons for each one
in the DXF file, one stored CW and the other CCW.  But that
doubles the number of polygons and decreases speed...

Thanks in advance for any help,


Hi all News Group users:
Does anyone know whether there is some software which will let one do
Text to Speach like the Sound Blaster does?
Hal Adam,  HADAM@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca


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I'm after offers in the region of 1250 pounds. I'm in the
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I must admit that this point has been running through my mind for most of
the discussion: one the dice are out there, it won't be long before someone
decaps it and, after a bit of work, has full details of the Clipper
algorythm.  This isn't trivial to do, but then again, it is not impossibly
difficult either.  Any half way decent VLSI design student should be able
to take a photograph of a technology s/he is familiar with, and given a
description of the input, output, control and supply lines, figure out
the function of various subsystems on the die.  Indeed, this is not an
uncommon exercise performed during training (because it makes you think
about design decisions made by other designers.

I could speculate that these chips are going to be manufactured using
"tamperproof" carriers (unlikely - such techniques are *very* expensive
and this thing is supposed to be relatively cheap to produce), or that
there will be some legal or legislative framework to prevent publication
of the algorythm (unlikely - please correct me if I am wrong but aren't these
supposed to be sold internationally?).  I suppose that the most likely
reason the algorythm is remaining secret for the moment is that some idiot
bureaucrat, untrammeled by the realities of the situation, decided that
"well, we should keep it a secret because it is supposed to be secret,
isn't it?"

Just some random thoughts...


Someone in SABR actually looked at these games a few years ago
and found that the official scorer awarded the save in every one
of the games - even those in which the pitcher had pitched badly
(allowing 4 or 5 runs).


I'm trying to find Tom Haapanen, formerly tom@wes.on.ca
who was the keeper of the FAQ for this newsgroup.
He was working at Watrerloo Engineering Software,
but netfind can't even find that (but it may have
been a uucp connection).  If anyone knows how to
contact Tom, please let me know.


My brother is preparing to pay another year
of college expenses and asked me to post this.

1987 Alfa Romeo
     Gold Milano Model

     V-6 Engine
     Power Everything!

     Seats 4 comfortably
     Looks / runs great

     $3,600 O.B.O.

Contact:  Brian Wall
          (214) 393-1216


Fact:  Both Janet Reno and Bill Clinton have admitted responsibility,
       even grief, over the deaths in Waco.

Fact:  Regardless of who started the fire, there are more than enough
       things on tape to make a civil rights case against these two.
       Cruel and unusual punishment (dying tortured rabbits on tape?)
       come to mind.

Fact:  It is a federal felony to infringe civil rights under color of
       law; where death is involved, this offense carries a penalty
       of life in prison.

Fact:  Impeachment is allowable for "high crimes and misdemeanors."
       Anything that's a federal felony should qualify.

Conclusion:  We have NO CHOICE, if we are an honest people, but to
             impeach Mr. Clinton, and remove Reno from office.


Thanks again.  One final question.  The name Gehrels wasn't known to
me before this thread came up, but the May issue of Scientific American
has an article about the "Inconstant Cosmos", with a photo of Neil
Gehrels, project scientist for NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory.
Same person?
--
Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto	"Information! ... We want information!"
utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com				-- The Prisoner


Hi.  I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology
paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the
TV screen at 1/200ths of a second.  Is that possible?  I thought the
maximum rate the TV was even capable of displaying images was 1/30th
of a second.  (or 1/60th of a second for an image composed of only odd
or even scan lines)


From: _Quantum_ Magazine, March/April 1993 pages 42-46

	The Problem Book of Anania of Shirak
	------------------------------------

		"On the ancient peak of Ararat
		The centuries have come like seconds
		And passed on."
				-Avetik Issahakian

by Yuri Danilov

Some years ago Journalists interviewing celebrities liked to ask them: "What
books would you take with you if you were to go off on a space flight?" And
though the number of books allowed on the trip varied from 10 to 30,
depending on the type of spacecraft and the generosity of the interviewer,
and celebrities are people of the most varied tastes, ages, and professions,
not one of them dared to say that he or she would want to take with them at
least one book of arithmetic problems.

Some of these people certainly excluded this kind of literature because they
were trained in the humanities and had nothing but scorn for "numbers" (though
secretly afraid of them). Others steered clear of such puzzle books because
they were masters of incomparably more difficult branches of modern
mathematics and didn't mind saying for all the world to hear that they didn't
know how to solve mere arithmetic problems. Professional mathematicians were
no exception. Here's what the Russian mathematician Alexander Khinchin, a
specialist in statistics, wrote about arithmetic: "I willingly confess that
any time a fifth-grader asked me to help solve an arithmetic problem, it was
a hard work for me, and sometimes I failed completely. Of course, like most of
my friends, I could easily solve the problem by the natural algebraic route
--constructing equations or sets of equations. But we were supposed to avoid
using algebraic analysis at all costs! . . . By the way, it's a fact that is
well known and oft repeated that, as a rule, neither high school graduates,
nor students at teaching colleges, nor teachers beginning their careers
(nor, I must add, scientific researchers) can solve arithmetic problems. It
seems the only people in the world who are able to solve them are fifth-grade
teachers."

Now, I'm not insisting that a book of arithmetic problems be included in the
bookbag of anyone flying into space. But a sense of justice induces me to
recommend one particular problem book, one that will satisfy the most
fastidious taste and supply food for thought sufficient not only for a
relatively short flight to the Moon but for a extended space voyage--say, to
Venus and back.

			One for the "road"

	They both took out the books they brought for the road. Kingsley
	glanced at the Royal Astronomer's book and saw a bright cover with
	a group of cutthroats shooting at each other with revolvers. "God
	knows what this kind of stuff leads to," thought Kingsley.

	The Royal Astronomer looked at Kingsley's book and saw the History
	of Herodotus. "Good Lord, next he'll be reading Thucydides," thought
	the Royal Astronomer.
					--Fred Hoyle, The Black Cloud

The book I'm talking about isn't very big, but its 24 problems constitute 24
elegant miniatures from seventh-century Armenia. Naive and wise at the same
time, rich in striking detail and the bright coloration of the period, these
problems are reminiscent of the reliefs on the famous monument of Armenian
architecture, the church on the island of Akhtamar in Lake Van (in what is
now Turkey_. They are as inseparable from the image of Armenia as the elegant
letters of the Armenian alphabet, invented by Mesrop Mashtots, or the songs of
Komitas, or the paintings of Saryan.

An edition of these incredibly beautiful problems has long been a
bibliographic rarity. It was published under the title Problems and Solutions
of Vardapet [1] Anania of Shirak, Armenian Mathematician of the Seventh
Century (translated and published by I. A. Orbeli, Petrograd, 1918).

The abundance of close observations and wide-ranging information about the way
of life and customs of that remote epoch when Anania of Shirak lived and
worked have actually rendered a disservice to his problem book. For many years
the book was known only to researchers in the humanities--specialists in
Armenian history who jealously guarded their treasure and wouldn't let just
anyone see it. Even now, after research by K. P. Patkanov, the learned monk
Father Kaloust, J.I. Orbeli, A. Abramyan, V. K. Chaloyan, and others has
brought the works of Anania of Shirak to light in scholarly circles, the
general reader remains ignorant of the very existence of this remarkable
problem book.

		Vardapet Anania of Shirak

	Once fell in love with the art of calculation, I thought that no
	philosophical notion can be constructed without number, considering
	it the mother of all wisdom.
					--Anania of Shirak

Among ancient Armenian thinkers, Vardapet Anania of Shirak stands out because
of the breadth of his interests and the unique mathematical orientation of his
work. Some of his works have been preserved. In addition to the Problems and
Solutions, the following tracts have found a special place in the estimation
of scholars: On Weights and Measures, Cosmography and Calendrical Theory, and
Armenian Geography of the Seventh Century A.D. (the authorship of the last
work was long attributed to another outstanding thinker of ancient Armenia,
Movses of Khoren).

In his autobiography, Anania of Shirak has this to say about himself:

	I, Anania of Shirak, having studied all the science of our
	Armenian land and having learned the Holy Scripture intimately,
	in the expression of the psalmist, "every day I illuminated the
	eyes of my mind." Feeling myself lacking in the art of calculation,
	I came to the conclusion that it is fruitless to study philosophy,
	the mother of all sciences, without number. I could find in Armenia
	neither a man versed in philosophy nor books that explained the
	sciences. I therefore went to Greece and met in Theodosiople a man
	named Iliazar who was well versed in ecclesiastical works. He told me
	that in Forth Armenia [2] there lived a famous mathematician,
	Christosatur. I went this person and spent six months with him. But
        soon I noticed that Christosatur was a master not of all science but
        only of certain fragmentary facts.

	I then went to Constantinople, where I met acquaintances who told me:
	"Why did you go so far, when much closer to us, in Trebizon, on the
	coast of Pontus [3] lives the Byzantine vardapet Tyukhik. He is full
	of wisdom, is known to kings, and knows Armenian literature." I asked
	them how they knew this. They answered: "We saw ourselves that many
	people traveled long distances to become pupils of so learned a man.
	Indeed the archdeacon of the patriarchate of Constantinople,
	Philagrus, traveled with us, bringing many young persons to become
	pupils of Tyukhik." When I heard this, I expressed my gratitude to
	God, who had quenched the thirst of His slave.

	I went to Tyukhik at the monastery of St. Eugene and explained why I
	He sent you to learn and to transplant science in the domain of St.
	Gregory; I am glad that all your country will learn from me. I myself
	lived in Armenia for many years as a youth. Ignorance reigned there."
	Vardapet Tyukhik loved me as a son and shared all his thoughts with
	me. The Lord bestowed upon me His blessing: I completely assimilated
	the science of number, and with such success that my fellow students
	at the king's court began to envy me.

	I spent eight years with Tyukhik and studied many books that had not
	been translated into our language. For the vardapet had an innumerable
	collection of books: secret and explicit, ecclesiastical and pagan,
	books on art, history, and medicine, books of chronologies. Why
	enumerate them by title? In a word, there is no book that Tyukhik did
	not have. And he had such a gift from the Holy Spirit for translating
	that when he sat down to translate something from the Greek into
	Armenian, he did not struggle as other translators did, and the
	translation read as if the work were written in that language
	originally.

	Tyukhik told me how he had achieved such vast erudition and how he had
	learned the Armenian language. "When I was young," he said, "I lived
	in Trebizon, at the court of the military chief Ioannus Patricus, and
	for a long time, up to the accession of Mauritius to the throne I
	served as a military man in Armenia and learned your language and
	literature. During one attack by Persian troops on the Greeks, I was
	wounded and escaped to Antioch. I lost all my possessions. Praying to
	the Lord to heal my wounds, I made a promise: "If You prolong my life,
	I shall dedicate it not to accumulating perishable treasures but to
	collecting treasures of knowledge." And the Lord heard my prayers.
	After I recovered I went to Jerusalem, and from there to Alexandria
	and Rome. Upon returning to Constantinople, I met a famous philosopher
	from Athens and studied with him for many years. After that I returned
	to my homeland and began to teach and instruct my people."

	After some years that philosopher died. Not finding a replacement for
	him, the king and his courtiers sent for Tyukhik and invited him to
	assume the teacher's position. Tyukhik, citing the promise he made to
	God not to move far from the city, turned down the offer. But because
	of his wide leaning, people came streaming from all countries to study
	with him.

	And I, the most insignificant of all Armenians, having learned from
	him this powerful science, desired by kings, brought it to our
	country, supported by no one, obligated only to my own industry, God's
	help, and the prayers of the Blessed Educator. And no one thanked me
	for my efforts.

				Problems and Solutions

	A half and one sixth and one nine-ninth of all the books were printed
	on verge'; one fifth and one two-hundred-eighty-fifth--on rag paper;
	one forty-fifth and one eight-hundred-fifty-fifth--on vellum, and
	forty-five inscribed copies--on Dutch paper. And so, find how many
	copies were printed in all.
					--Imitation of Anania of Shirak

A Latin proverb says habent sua fata libelli ("books have their own fate").
The fate of Problems and Solutions by Anania of Shirak is quite amazing. The
manuscripts of Anania's book were preserved only because, according to
Armenian historians, "in ancient and medieval Armenia manuscripts were guarded
from invaders, like weapons, and cherished, like one's own children." Biding
their time, the manuscripts lay in the Matenadaran, a renowned depository of
ancient manuscripts (now the Mesrop Mashtots Institute of Ancient Manuscripts).
And its hour finally arrived. In 1896 the learned monk Father Kaloust used two
manuscripts to publish the problem book, supplementing it with an introduction
and commentary. In 1918 the book was translated into Russian, edited,
annotated, and typeset by Iosef Orbeli, a prominent scholar (and later a
member of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR).

In the translator's words, the problems of Anania are "amusing, full of life,
and simple." Orbeli goes on to say: "The subjects of the problems are
generally taken from everyday life. The scene is predominantly his homeland
Shirak and the surrounding countryside, and the dramatis personae, if they are
named, are the local princes--the Kamsarakans, including Nersekh, who was a
contemporary of Anania." Like other ancient authors, Anania of Shirak used
only "aliquots" -- that is, fractions with a numerator of 1. When it is
necessary to write fractions with numerators other than 1, one has to
represent it as a sum of aliquots (see the epigraph above).

Like any true work of art, the problems of Anania suffer terribly in the
retelling. You have to read the originals (albeit in translation) in their
full glory. So let's open Anania's problem book--a gift from across the ages.

Problems 1 and 8 relate to the Armenian uprising against the Persians in A.D.
572.

Problem 1

My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the
Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed extraordinary
heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the Persian troops.
The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. The second time,
pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the soldiers. The third
time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. The Persians who were
still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to Nakhichevan. And so, from
this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers there were before the massacre.

Problem 8

During the famous Armenian uprising against the Persians, when Zaurak
Kamsarakan killed Suren, one of the Armenian azats[4] sent an envoy to the
Persian king to report the baleful news. The envoy covered fifty miles in a
day. Fifteen days later, when he learned of this, Zaurak Kamsarakan sent
riders in pursuit to bring the envoy back. The riders covered eighty miles in
a day. And so, find how many days it took them to catch the envoy.

Problem 18 mentions vessels made of varying amounts of metal. In the Russian
translation, they are all called "dishes." But in the original Armenian,
according to Orbeli's note, the dishes in the first and second instances are
called mesur, and in the third instance scutel. Scutel is a common Armenian
word, but mesur had not been encountered in Armenian literature before
Anania's Problems and Solutions.

Problem 18

There was a tray in my house. I melted it down and made other vessels from the
metal. From one third I made a mesur; from one fourth, another mesur; from
one fifth, two goblets; from one sixth, two scutels; and from two hundred ten
drams, I made a bowl. And now, find the weight of the tray.

Several of the problems reflect the richness of the Caucasian fauna in
Anania's time -- for instance, problem 7.

Problem 7

Once I was in Marmet, the capital of the Kamsarakans. Strolling along the bank
of the river Akhuryan, I saw a school of fish and ordered that a net be cast.
We caught a half and a quarter of the school, and all the fishes that slipped
out of the net ended up in a creel. When I looked in the creel, I found
forty-five fishes. And now, find how many fishes here were in all.

The temptation is great to present all 24 problems. But I'll restrain myself
and offer you just one more.

Problem 20 provides some interesting information about the wild animals that
inhabited Armenia at one time but now extinct for so long that there is no
mention of them even in zoological reference books. The wild donkey, according
to the generally accepted view, never roamed the Armenian lands. Yet Anania of
Shirak offers evidence to the contrary .

Problem 20

The hunting preserve of Nersekh Kamsarakan, ter[5] of Shirak and Asharunik,
was at the base of the mountain called Artin. One night great herds of wild
donkey entered the preserve. The hunters could not cope with the donkeys and,
running to the village of Talin, told Nersekh about them. When he arrived with
his brothers and azats and entered the preserve, they began killing the wild
beasts. Half of the animals were caught in traps, one fourth were killed by
arrows. The young, which constituted one twelfth of all the animals, were
caught alive, and three hundred sixty wild donkeys were killed by spears. And
so, find how many beasts there were at the start of this massacre.

		"Set in type by me, Iosef Orbeli"

	His biography could not be squeezed into the framework of a
	bibliography.
				-- K Uzbashyan, Academician
					Iosef Abgarovich Orbeli

Anyone who is lucky enough to hold a copy (1/n of the small printing--n is the
solution to the epigraph in the previous section) of the Russian translation
of Anania of Shirak's Problems and Solutions, a thin book with yellowed pages,
has probably noticed the variety of the fonts, the elegance of the borders,
and the high quality of the design, printing, and binding. Such great
attention to detail is characteristic of works that fulfill a requirement for
a degree in bookmaking. And this problem book was indeed a kind of diploma
attesting to the professional maturity of the man who created it. An
advertisement at the end of the book reads: "This book was typeset in
December 1917 at the printing offices of the Russian Academy of Sciences by
me, Iosef Orbeli; the text was also proofread, laid out, and decorated with
borders by me. Various circumstances prevented me from carrying this project
to the end; the final pages of the book were typeset by M. Strolman."

Typesetting was neither the first nor the only profession of the renowned
orientalist Iosef Orbeli, who later became the director of the Hermitage
Museum in Leningrad. He was also a cabinetmaker and a locksmith. Orbeli had
already become acquainted with the famous academic printing house Typis
Academiae, founded in 1728 and known all over the scientific world for its
rich collection of fonts and its virtuoso typesetters. In preparing to publish
the corpus of ancient inscriptions preserved on the walls of Armenian
churches, Orbeli found it necessary to create a new font that would preserve
the unique signs and ligatures. This complicated work was done by M. G.
Strolman. (Unfortunately the entire set of letters was destroyed during the
blockade of Leningrad in World War II.)

When Orbeli came to the printing offices of the Academy of Sciences, times
were hard. The only way to publish the newly translated Problems of Anania
was for Orbeli to learn typesetting (he had always been attracted to the
printer's craft). In 1922 Orbeli became the director of printing at the
Academy of Sciences. Even after he retired, he remained a tireless champion
of Russian academic typography.

			Back to Earth

	This book by definition does not exhaust all the most important
	works in this domain. The editor hopes that those who are guilty
	of this incompleteness will read these lines and, stung by shame,
	will work up, if not a collection like this, at least a monograph.

			--V. Bonch-Bruyevich introduction to the
			Russian translation of Solid-Body
			Symmetry by R. Knox and A. Gold

Let's imagine a time when space flight is an everyday thing, and high
schoolers will spend their breaks as astronauts-in training in the Perelman
crater on the far side of the Moon. Maybe one of the space travelers will take
this very copy of Quantum, and another, looking over her shoulder, will read
this article and say to himself: "This Anania from Shirak seems like a pretty
interesting guy. When I get home I'll try to find his problems."

Good luck, my young friend! Anania is sure to entertain you. Perhaps by then
there will be more than n copies of his timeless Problems and Solutions. And
we can hope they will be as lovingly printed as the masterpieces created by
Iosef Orbeli.

[1] Vardapet (or vartabed) means teacher or learned man in Armenian. (The
    Armenian language suffers in English from a dual transliteration scheme.
    Thus, Mesrop is often rendered as "Mesrob", Komitas as "Gomidas," and so
    on).

[2] Fourth Armenia was one of fifteen provinces into which, according to
    Armenian Geography in the Seventh Century A.D., so-called Great Armenia
    was divided.

[3] "Pontus" (or "Pontus Euxinus") was an old name for the Black Sea.

[4] "Azats" were members one of several strata of freemen in ancient Armenia.

[5] "Ter" was the title of the heads of sovereign royal families in ancient
     Armenia.


  The event that had the most impact on Gaetti's career was his leg injury
in 1988.  His performance dropped radically from 1988 to 1989.  He was
still with the Twins in 1989 and 1990, but if you look at his stats (both
offensive and defensive), he never has come back to his pre-injury level.


Whats the difference between a V.32bis modem and a V.32bis modem?

I'm not being entirely silly here: what I'm pointing out is that the
modems that they have already approved for data transmission will work
just fine to transmit scrambled vocoded voice.

--
Perry Metzger		pmetzger@shearson.com


Gamma Ray Bursts (GRBs) are seen coming equally from all directions.
However, given the number of bright ones, there are too few faint
ones to be consistent with being equally dense for as far
as we can see--it is as if they are all contained within
a finite sphere (or a sphere with fuzzy edges) with us at the
center.  (These measurements are statistical, and you can
always hide a sufficiently small number of a different
type of GRB with a different origin in the data.  I am assuming
that there is only one population of GRBs).

The data indicates that we are less than 10% of the radius of the center
of the distribution.  The only things the Earth is at the exact center
of are the Solar system (at the scale of the Oort cloud of comets
way beyond Pluto) and the Universe.  Cosmological theories, placing
GRBs throughout the Universe, require supernova-type energies to
be released over a timescale of milliseconds.  Oort cloud models
tend to be silly, even by the standards of astrophysics.

If GRBs were Galactic (i.e. distributed through the Milky Way Galaxy)
you would expect them to be either concentrated in the plane of
the Galaxy (for a 'disk' population), or towards the Galactic center
(for a spherical 'halo' population).  We don't see this, so if they
are Galactic, they must be in a halo at least 250,000 light years in
radius, and we would probably start to see GRBs from the Andromeda
Galaxy (assuming that it has a similar halo.)  For comparison, the
Earth is 25,000 light-years from the center of the Galaxy.

The aren't concentrated in the known spacelanes, and we don't
see many coming from Zeta Reticuli and Tau Ceti.

There are more than 130 GRB different models in the refereed literature.
Right now, the theorists have a sort of unofficial moratorium
on new models until new observational evidence comes in.


This is known as the Savard syndrome - and we are talking Denis, not Serge.
No team will ever win squat with the likes of Denis Savard in their lineup.

They could tell Savard to stay home and watch the games on TV.

Sounds like #12 to me.

cordially, as always,

rm


That was hardly the point, was it? I was commenting on this all-too-common
Republican attitude that if people disagree with us, they must be idiots, they
must be sheep being led around by the Evil Liberal Media Conspiracy. This is
a dangerous attitude indeed. Because it's not a very big step from "people
are sheep, they can't think for themselves" to "people are sheep and need
firm leadership from we, who know better"... this sort of attitude makes
me worry about what'll happen to the United States if the extremist wing
of the Republican party ever gets back into power again.

Hey! This is a government-funded newsgroup! Let's have some separation
of church and state, damn it!

More like:

Broward: "Clinton's going to raise your income taxes by over $1000!"
Mark:    "No, he's not, only about $204."
Broward: (silence)

OK, I predict that in 1996 the Republicans will STILL be bitter. Yeah, yeah,
I know, it's not very impressive to predict things that are inevitable...


I was there in 1976.  I suppose it must have died out since 1946,
then.  Certainly I never heard of any homeopaths or herbalists in
the employ of the NHS.  Perhaps the law codified it but the authorities
refused to hire any homeopaths.  A similar law in the US allows
chiropractors to practice in VA hospitals but I've never seen one
there and I don't know of a single VA that has hired a chiropractor.
There are a lot of Britons on the net, so someone should be able to
tell us if the NHS provides homeopaths for you.

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."


Looking for an amateur radio operator that needs a variable power linear
amplifier for 2-30MHz.  Looks and works like new.  Runs off 12v for mobile
use.  Input: 5-10 watts  Output: ~175 watts AM, ~350 watts PEP SSB.
I need $150 out of it.

If that's too much, I also have a Tornado 100 that takes 5w in and
100/250w out for $100.

Reply with your callsign, address and phone number for verification of license.

Prices do NOT include shipping/packaging.


God forgive me for being an American who pays taxes to a government
that commits atrocities like the Waco Massacre of 1993.
--
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>


In most areas of the country, serviced by ESS (or CESS), your phone
--


"Through a single data point, you can draw any line you want."
-- Dr. S. Bart Childs, Professor, Texas A&M Dept. of Computer Science

Both my pastor's late model Corolla and my father's 1987 Stanza
have demonstrated the "falling door seals" problem.


I would be very appreciative if someone would answer a few
questions about Windows for Workgroups.

I currently have Novell Netware Lite which does not work with
Windows very well and is a conventional memory hog (ver. 1.1).
I am considering moving all our machines to W4WG.

Q1:  How much conventional ram does W4WG use over and above the
     driver for the network card?

Q2:  If I have a Novell NE2000 card, are the LSL and IPX drivers
     still needed?

Q3:  Does W4WG do a license check over the network to ensure each
     machine is running its own licenced copy of W4WG? (Note: I do
     not want to break the license agreement and I will buy a copy
     of W4WG for each of our machines, it is just that I would like
     to try it out first to see if it meets our needs. Returning one
     opened copy is much easier than returning N opened copies.)

Q4:  If you buy the upgrade to Windows 3.1 for W4WG does it replace
     all of Win 3.1 as you install it or does it depend on current
     Win 3.1 files?

Q5:  If I install Windows NT on my server when it comes out, will I have
     any troubles with the W4WG machines?

When I started this message, I was going to ask only 2 questions but I got carried
away. I'll stop now ;-).

I look forward to your replies.

Al


Up until last week, I have been running POVray v1.0 on my 486/33 under DOS5
without any major problems.  Over Easter I increased the memory from 4Meg to
8Meg, and found that POVray reboots the system every time under DOS5.  I had
a go at running POVray in a DOS window when running Win3.1 on the same system
and it now works fine, even if a lot slower.  I would like to go back to
using POVray directly under DOS, anyone any ideas???

John


I have had a Gateway Telepath modem for about a month or so now.
Actually, I had one that wouldn't connect to ANYTHING no matter
what software I used, so I got a new one sent to me.  This allows
me to connect to my favorite News system with ZERO problems.  So
I'm somewhat happier ....

But I still cannot connect to my favorite DOS bbs with any kind
of reliability.  I have success about 1/10 calls.  Not good!  I
would hope that the fact that this one can connect to at least
ONE of my fave places means I just need to adjust it.

What I usually get is a fast stream of garbage, in the modem response
line on the dial window. Sometimes it will drop to full screen mode
first, then I get about 2-3 screens of garbage.  In both cases the
modem seems to time out before connecting and drops carrier.

I am using DEFAULT settings (AT&F) and getting this problem.  I
am using the AUTOCONFIGURE settings that Gateway has supplied with
my copy of Qmodem (ATW1&C1&D2S95=44&W0) and getting this problem.
(They have refused to help me beyond this, claiming "it must be
the BBS" or something like that.  Not so -- my work modem connects
to this same place just fine, using factory settings -- a Microcom.)

Anyone have any ideas?!


NEC Multisync Plus, model # JC-1501VMA, 15", 960x720, $250 + shipping.

Price is frim.  Do not send me an emai if your offer is less than my
asking.

Thank you.


: Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation
: who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year.
: Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin
: to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then!

I'm an advocate of this idea for funding Space Station work, and I
throw around the $1 billion figure for that "reward."  I suggest that
you increase the Lunar reward to about $3 billion.

This would encourage private industry to invest in space, which
should be one of NASA's primary goals.

-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
      kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov  (713) 483-4368


So does clear lipstick/chapstick/etc. fit under the "natural look" or
the "waxy shit" category?  I wear something on my lips to keep them from
drying out.  Kissing dry, cracked, parched lips isn't too fun either.

Not if Tom has anything to say about it you won't!  Noemi speaks for
herself.

Beth


I have following softwares for sale:

NEW ITEMS (never opened):
1. Lucid 3-D, three dimensional spreadsheet:
   with pull-down menus, on-line help, up to 8 pages of notes behind every
   cell for dynamic detail, 3-D capability, compatible with Lotus 1-2-3, etc.
   $15 including shipping (manual, 5.25" disks)

2. Turbo Pascal Express
   with 250 ready-to-run assembly language routines that make Turbo Pascal
   faster, more powerful, and easier to use.
   2 5.25" disks and manual
   $15 (including shipping)

3. Dr. Halo III
   much more than an icon driven paint program - it's a complete page
   composition and presentation graphics package. Automatic aspect ratio
   correction for WYSIWYG printing. True color or grey scale output and partial    screen prints.
   3 5.25" disks and manual
   $12 (including shipping)

4. Key Form Designer Plus
   software for making professional business forms.
   3.5" disks and manual
   $25 plus shipping

Like-new items (package is opened but not registered):
1. JetFighter II
   Advanced tactical fighter F-23 as well as F-14, F-16, F/A-18, and F-22.
   3.25" disks and manuals
   $30 plus Shipping OBO

2. Nighthwak F-117A Stealth Fighter 2.0
   The definitive simulation of America's radar-elusive jet.
   Sensational sound, nine world's "hot spots": Cuba, North Korea, the Kuwaiti T   Theatre of operations, central Europe, the North Cape, Libya, the persian Gul   f, Vietnam and the Middle East. Awesome missions to challenge you.
   5.25" disks and manual
   $35 plus shipping OBO

3. Grammatik IV - $20 plus shipping

4. Quattro Pro 1.0 - make an offer

5. GEM chart, graphics, word, publisher, ... V.3.0 - make an offer.


	Are people here stupid or what??? It is a tie breaker, of cause they
have to have the same record. How can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as
first in the list for tie breaker??? If it is a tie breaker, how can there be
different record???? Man, I thought people in this net are good with hockey.
I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points
with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people actually put
win as first in a tie breaker......


Any more news on Steve's status since he lost the starting job
would be appreciated


Slight semantical difference.  The LDS Church does own a heck of
a lot however.  They are the largest land holder in MIssouri
(where they think Christ will appear at the second coming).


Ok folks...

I am in need for some money to purchase a Video Game Backup-Unit, so I
have decided to let go my SEGA CD unit... Heres the deal:

Sega Genesis CD/Rom Unit:
------------------------
  o Playes Sega CD games
  o Playes Regular CD's
  o Playes CD-G's (Cd's w/graphics)
  o Comes w/ 5 Cd's (Pack-Ins)
     o Sega's Hot Hits (Regular CD w/ music)
     o Rock Paintings (CD-G - music w/Graphics Karoki like)
     o Sol-Feace (Shooter)
     o Sherlock Holmes (Mystery) - Clue Book, No Docs.
     o Sega Classics (Streets of Rage, Revenge of Shinobi, Columns,
                      & Golden Axe) - No Docs.
  o Box and Documents (CD Unit) Included. All games comes w/Jewels and
    documentation unless otherwise specified.

Other Games:
-----------
     o Cobra Command (Docs have water dammage)
     o Road Avenger *2 Weeks old!!
     o Night Trap (No Docs.)
     o All games come w/Jewels and documentation unless otherwise specified.

  Im going to sell all of this to the HIGHEST bidder as of 4/30/93. I
would like to start all of the above at $250.00 or Trade for a Genesis/Snes
Video Backup-Unit. If you would like to bid or make an offer, just drop me
some mail... I will keep everone informed of what the current bids are..


I have two books, both NASA Special Publications, on the Voyager
Missions. One is titled "Voyages to Jupiter" the other "Voyage to Saturn"
These were excellent books put together after the encounters with each
planet.

The question is: Did NASA ever put together a similar book for either the
Uranus encounter or Neptune? If so, what SP number is it and where can it
be obtained? If not, why didn't they?


I have a few things to sell. All items are in great condition. All
prices include shipping. If you have any questions contact me by
E-Mail or call me at (814)234-4439.

Darryl

DJ Equipment
=======================================================================
- Mixer Case (with pop-up rails)                                    $60
- (2) Patch Cords (3 meters, Gold Tips)                             $15

Records
=======================================================================
Casualties Of War (12 inch single)        Eric B. & Rakim            $2
Get Some (12 inch single)                 EYC & Boo-Ya Tribe         $2
Black's Magic                             Salt & Pepa                $2
Heart Break                               New Edition                $2
The Right Stuff                           Vanessa Williams           $2

Misc
=======================================================================
Toshiba FT6000 Cordless Phone                                       $50


I was just reading in PC Magazine that the peripherals in a PC with an
ISA bus can only access 16MB of memory.  Also, that some video cards on
the ISA bus look for a memory aperture to map their memory to.  So that
if I wanted to put 16MB of memory on my PC, my video card wouldn't have
anywhere to map it's memory to.

Can someone explain this in more detail.  Is there a way around this
limit.

If you email me a response, I will summarize.
	-Bo	begolej@csgrad.cs.vt.edu


J> YOU BLASHEPHEMERS!!! YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING IN GOD!!!!  BE
J> PREPARED FOR YOUR ETERNAL DAMNATION!!!

Hmm, I've got my MST3K lunch box, my travel scrabble, and a couple of
kegs of Bass Ale.  I'm all set!  Let's go everybody!


Amusing, isn't it?  Seems only the SDCNs realize how much baseball is
a *team* game, combining efforts from every player for the win.

Consider the Red Sox game last night.  The Sox won 4-3 in the bottom
of the 13th.  Who won the game?

-Clemens pitched a strong nine (?) innings, allowing only two runs.
-Ryan pitched a couple shutout innings, though he needed some excellent
 defensive plays behind him to do so.
-Quantrill pitched a couple of innings, gave up the go-ahead run, and
 got credited with the win when the Sox scored two in the bottom of
 the inning.

Looks like a team effort to me!  Yet only Quantrill got credit for
the win.

How about the offense?
-Dawson and Vaughn hit (I think) HRs early in the game.  Without either
 one, the Sox would have lost in nine.
-Quintana led off the 13th with a solid single.
-Zupcic pinch-ran for Quintana, providing the speed to go from first
 to third when...
-Cooper ripped a *second* single in the inning.
-Melvin avoided the DP, getting the run home with a sac fly.  Not much of
 a help, but it was something.
-Scrub Richardson then hit a double, scoring the speedy Cooper all the
 way from first!  (Hill's lack of defense helped.)

Cooper and Zupcic were credited with runs, Melvin and Richardson were
credited with RBIs.  But it seems to me that it was Quintana's hit
that set up the whole inning!  And did Melvin really contribute as
much as Richardson?

Furthermore, people seem to consider RBIs to be more significant than
runs.  Did Melvin contribute more than Cooper?  Cooper provided the
game-winning baserunner, and moved the tying run to third base with
only one out!

Assigning credit based on Runs and RBIs is clearly ridiculous.  You
can argue that OBP and SLG don't show you who came through in the
clutch, but R&RBI don't do any better.  At least OBP and SLG don't
*claim* to try to tell you that.

Here's to the Red Sox who contributed to last night's victory.
All 20 of them!


NHL RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 4/15/93.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                  STANDINGS
      PATRICK              ADAMS              NORRIS              SMYTHE
 TM    W  L  T  PT   TM    W  L  T  PT   TM    W  L  T  PT   TM    W  L  T  PT

xPIT  56 21  7 119  xBOS  51 26  7 109  xCHI  47 25 12 106  xVAN  46 29  9 101
yWAS  42 34  7  91  yQUE  47 27 10 104  yDET  47 28  9 103  yCAL  43 30 11  97
yNJ   40 36  7  87  yMON  48 30  6 102  yTOR  44 29 11  99  yLA   39 35 10  88
yNYI  39 37  7  85  yBUF  38 36 10  86  ySTL  37 36 11  85  yWIN  40 37  7  87
 PHL  35 37 11  81   HAR  26 51  6  58   MIN  36 38 10  82   EDM  26 50  8  60
 NYR  34 38 11  79   OTT  10 70  4  24   TB   23 54  7  53   SJ   11 71  2  24

x - Clinched Division Title
y - Clinched Playoff Berth

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Minnesota North Stars  (36-38-10)   1   1   1   -   3
Detroit Red Wings       (47-28-9)   0   2   3   -   5

1st period: MIN, McPhee 18 - (Ludwig) 1:23

2nd period: MIN, Dahlen 34 - (Courtnall, Gagner) (pp) 0:31
	    DET, Drake 18 - (Howe, Ogrodnick) 9:14
	    DET, Ysebaert 34 - (Lidstrom, Howe) (pp) 17:37

3rd period: DET, Ciccarelli 41 - (Coffey, Chiasson) (pp) 0:32
	    DET, Kennedy 19 - (Burr, Probert) 3:42
	    DET, Yzerman 58 - (Ciccarelli, Gallant) 6:17
	    MIN, Dahlen 35 - (Courtnall, Gagner) 19:11

Powerplay Opportunities-North Stars 1 of 2
			Red Wings   2 of 4

Shots on GOal-	North Stars  10   9  11  -  30
		Red Wings     6  15   8  -  29

Minnesota North Stars--Casey (26-26-5) (29 shots - 24 saves)
Detroit Red Wings--Cheveldae (34-24-7) (30 shots - 27 saves)

ATT-19,749

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Philadelphia Flyers  (35-37-11)   1   2   4   -   7
Buffalo Sabres       (38-36-10)   0   3   1   -   4

1st period: PHL, Recchi 52 - (Galley, Lindros) 0:18

2nd period: PHL, Hawgood 11 - (Dineen, Eklund) (pp) 2:15
	    PHL, Dineen 33 - (McGill) (sh) 5:40
	    BUF, Barnaby 1 - (Hawerchuk, Smehlik) (pp) 7:48
	    BUF, Wood 18 - (LaFontaine, Ledyard) (pp) 17:34
	    BUF, Mogilny 75 - (Hawerchuk, Carney) (pp) 18:56

3rd period: PHL, Eklund 11 - (Dineen, Beranek) 4:42
	    BUF, Mogilny 76 - (Errey, LaFontaine) 5:24
	    PHL, Dineen 34 - (Brind'Amour) (pp) 6:44
	    PHL, Dineen 35 - (Brind'Amour, Galley) (sh) 8:39
	    PHL, Acton 8 - (Dineen, Brind'Amour) 19:48

Powerplay Opportunities-Flyers 2 of  5
			Sabres 3 of 10

SHots on Goal-	Flyers   6   7  13  -  26
		Sabres   8  19  18  -  45

Philadelphia Flyers--Soderstrom (20-17-6) (45 shots - 41 saves)
Buffalo Sabres--Fuhr (10 shots - 7 saves)  Hasek (11-10-4) (5:40 second)
		(16 shots - 12 saves)

ATT-15,042

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Edmonton Oilers  (26-50-8)   0   0   0   -   0
Winnipeg Jets    (40-37-7)   1   2   0   -   3

1st period: WIN, Shannon 20 - (Steen, Davydov) (pp) 2:08

2nd period: WIN, Selanne 76 - (Olausson) 5:25
	    WIN, Zhamnov 25 - (Selanne) 19:42

3rd period: NONE

Powerplay Opportunities-Oilers 0 of 3
			Jets   1 of 6

SHots on GOal-	Oilers   7   8  16  -  31
		Jets    10  16  16  -  42

Edmonton Oilers--Ranford (17-38-6) (42 shots - 39 saves)
Winnipeg Jets--Essensa (33-26-6) (31 shots - 31 saves)

ATT-12,229

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Toronto Maple Leafs  (44-29-11)   1   1   0   -   2
Chicago BlackHawks   (47-25-12)   0   2   1   -   3

1st period: TOR, Baumgartner 1 - 18:40

2nd period: CHI, Roenick 50 - (Murphy, Chelios) 1:29
	    TOR, Andreychuk 55 - (Mironov, Lefebvre) 13:22
	    CHI, Murphy 7 - (Roenick, Chelios) (pp) 19:05

3rd period: CHI, Matteau 15 - 10:51

Powerplay Opportunities-Maple Leafs 1 of 3
			BlackHawks  1 of 7

Shots on Goal-	Maple Leafs  14   4   8  -  26
		BlackHawks   10  13  13  -  36

Toronto Maple Leafs--Potvin (25-15-7) (36 shots - 33 saves)
Chicago BlackHawks--Belfour (41-18-11) (26 shots - 24 saves)

ATT-17,856

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tampa Bay Lightning   (23-54-7)   0   2   3   -   5
St. Louis Blues      (37-36-11)   3   3   0   -   6

1st period: STL, Shanahan 50 - (Brown, Felsner) 10:44
	    STL, Miller 23 - (Bassen, Brown) 19:38
	    STL, Bassen 8 - (Zombo) 19:48

2nd period: STL, Bassen 9 - (Hedican, Miller) 0:14
	    STL, Miller 24 - (Zombo, Hedican) 11:09
	    TBL, Maltais 7 - (Hamrlik) 11:27
	    TBL, Bergland 3 - (Harvey, Gilhen) 17:16
	    TBL, Shanahan 51 - (Emerson) 19:38

3rd period: TBL, Creighton 19 - (Bergland, Bergevin) 0:40
	    TBL, Chambers 10 - (Zamuner, Cole) 10:37
	    TBL, Cole 12 - (Beers, Bradley) 11:58

Powerplay Opportunities-Lightning 0 of 3
			Blues     0 of 4

SHots on GOal-	Lightning   5  12  14  -  31
		Blues      11  11   4  -  26

Tampa Bay Lightning--Jablonski (8-24-4) (22 shots - 16 saves)  Bergeron (0:00
		     third) (4 shots - 4 saves)
St. Louis Blues--Joseph (29-28-9) (18 shots - 15 saves)  Hebert (19:20 third)
	         (13 shots - 11 saves)

ATT-17,816

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

San Jose Sharks   (11-71-2)   0   1   2   -   3
Calgary Flames   (43-30-11)   0   4   3   -   7

1st period: NONE

2nd period: SJS, Garpenlov 22 - (Odgers, Gaudreau) (pp) 3:37
	    CAL, Nieuwendyk 38 - (MacInnis, Suter) (pp) 5:26
	    CAL, Ranheim 21 - (Otto, Suter) 10:43
	    CAL, Yawney 1 - (Nieuwendyk, Roberts) 11:26
	    CAL, Berube 4 - (Paslawski, Skrudland) 13:45

3rd period: SJS, Wood 1 - (Odgers, Kisio) 8:00
	    CAL, Reichel 40 - 9:26
	    CAL, Roberts 38 - (Musil, Paslawski) (pp) 12:27
	    SJS, Kisio 26 - 13:10
	    CAL, Paslawski 18 - (Ashton, Stern) 16:16

Powerplay Opportunities-Sharks 1 of 3
			Flames 2 of 4

Shots on Goal-	Sharks   5  11   9  -  25
		Flames  11  14   7  -  32

San Jose Sharks--Irbe (7-25-0) (32 shots - 25 saves)
Calgary Flames--Vernon (29-26-9) (25 shots - 22 saves)

ATT-19,532

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Vancouver Canucks   (46-29-9)   1   2   5   -   8
Los Angeles Kings  (39-35-10)   2   3   1   -   6

1st period: LAK, Robitaille 63 - (Gretzky, Sandstrom) 1:39
	    VAN, Babych 3 - (Craven, Nedved) (pp) 9:43
	    LAK, Sandstrom 25 - (Gretzky, Robitaille) 10:06

2nd period: VAN, Linden 32 - (Ronning, Courtnall) (pp) 0:54
	    VAN, Ward 22 - (Hunter, Nedved) 1:24
	    LAK, Gretzky 16 - (Sandstrom, Robitaille) 6:57
	    LAK, Zhitnik 12 - (Kurri, Robitaille) (pp) 14:02
	    LAK, Millen 23 - (Hardy) (pp) 16:57

3rd period: VAN, Ronning 27 - (Dirk) 5:28
	    VAN, Ronning 28 - (Courtnall, Linden) (pp) 11:15
	    VAN, Linden 33 - (Courtnall, Ronning) 11:27
	    LAK, Donnelly 29 - (Millen, Granato) (pp) 14:35
	    VAN, Courtnall 31 - (Ronning, Ratushny) 14:54
	    VAN, Ronning 29 - (Linden, Diduck) (en) 18:47

Powerplay Opportunities-Canucks 3 of  6
			Kings   3 of 10

Shots on Goal-	Canucks   8   6  16  -  30
		Kings    10  21  10  -  41

Vanocuver Canucks--Whitmore (18-8-4) (41 shots - 35 saves)
Los Angeles Kings--Stauber (23 shots - 17 saves)  Hrudey (17-21-6) (11:27
		   third) (6 shots - 5 saves)

ATT-16,005

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


There would be no problems as long as the OS didn't set up a DMA transfer
to an area above the 16 mb area (the DMA controller probably can't be
programmed that way anyways, so there probably isin't a problem with this)


And why they are considering using WinBench as a test, they may want
to read everything Steve Gibson has said on the subject in his
InfoWorld column the past couple of month.  In short, virtually
every board manufacturer cheats on the test by writing things in the
driver that is there only to make the board appear faster on the
WinBench suite.  So the WinBench score has no bearing in reality to
how cards stack up on real world tasks.

In the last PC-Magazine they benchmarked some of the new accelerators,
and admitted that many of them 'cheated' on WinBench.  Interestingly,
they 'allowed' one type of cheating behaviour (caching for bitblt
operations, no matter how unreal), yet did not allow a couple of other
types of cheating behaviour that some of the cards used.  At least
one card was eliminated from the "Editor's Choice" because of
cheating on the benchmark.


Just my luck.  I did however call my local Apple dealer and he said that
the he thinks the serial numbers of the machines that are covered begin
with either 70 or 53-56, and maybe one other.  He also told me that Apple
had extended the service on these serial numbers for another year!!!

So there is still hope - Get those monitor in!!


HELP!!!
my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car.
We live in South Fla., so we are definitely in the right are for one.
My wife has mentioned the Miata, but I think it is too small.
I would like to wait for the new Mustangs ( Dec. '93 I think).
Anyone have any opinions on any/all convertibles in a reasonable price range.


Hello,

	I'm the proud owner of an IBM AT without a battery. I know it
hooks into jumper J21, but I need more info so I can replace it. What's
its voltage? Any suggestions for replacement? Where can I get one? Please
respond to :
			grisch@uceng.uc.edu


In pure speculation, I would guess cautions based on hazardous
pre-launch ops would qualify.  Something like "Caution:  SRBs
have just been armed."


My brother is in the market for a high-performance video card that supports
VESA local bus with 1-2MB RAM.  Does anyone have suggestions/ideas on:

  - Diamond Stealth Pro Local Bus

  - Orchid Farenheit 1280

  - ATI Graphics Ultra Pro

  - Any other high-performance VLB card

Please post or email.  Thank you!

  - Matt


From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
Subject: Unconventional peace proposal

A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East.
---------------------------------------------------------- by
			  Elias Davidsson

The following proposal is based on the following assumptions:

1.      Fundamental human rights, such as the right to life, to
education, to establish a family and have children, to human
dignity, the right to free movement, to free expression, etc. are
more important to human existence that the rights of states.

2.      In the event of a conflict between basic human rights and
rights of collectivities, basic human rights should prevail.

3.      Between the collectivities defining themselves as
Jewish-Israeli and Palestinian-Arab, however labelled, an
unresolved conflict exists.

4.      This conflict has caused great sufferings for millions of
people. It moreover poisons relations between communities, peoples
and nations.

5.      Each year, the United States expends billions of dollars
in economic and military aid to the conflicting parties.

6.      Attempts to solve the Israeli-Arab conflict by traditional
political means have failed.

7.      As long as the conflict is perceived as that between two
distinct ethnical/religious communities/peoples which claim the
land, there is no just nor peaceful solution possible.

8.      Love between human beings can be capitalized for the sake
of peace and justice. When people love, they share.

Having stated my assumptions, I will now state my proposal.

1.      A Fund should be established which would disburse grants
for each child born to a couple where one partner is Israeli-Jew
and the other Palestinian-Arab.

2.      To be entitled for a grant, a couple will have to prove
that one of the partners possesses or is entitled to Israeli
citizenship under the Law of Return and the other partner,
although born in areas under current Isreali control, is not
entitled to such citizenship under the Law of Return.

3.      For the first child, the grant will amount to $18.000. For
the second the third child, $12.000 for each child. For each
subsequent child, the grant will amount to $6.000 for each child.

4.      The Fund would be financed by a variety of sources which
have shown interest in promoting a peaceful solution to the
Israeli-Arab conflict, including the U.S. Government, Jewish and
Christian organizations in the U.S.  and a great number of
governments and international organizations.

5.      The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed'
marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on
'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its
ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a
truly civil society. The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of
people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the
Middle-East in a graceful manner.

Objections to this proposal will certainly be voiced. I will
attempt to identify some of these:

1.      The idea of providing financial incentives to selected
forms of partnership and marriage, is not conventional. However,
it is based on the concept of affirmative action, which is
recognized as a legitimate form of public policy to reverse the
perverse effects of segregation and discrimination. International
law clearly permits affirmative action when it is aimed at
reducing racial discrimination and segregation.

2.      It may be objected that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
is not primarily a religious or ethnical conflict, but that it is
a conflict between a colonialist settler society and an indigenous
colonized society that can only regain its freedom by armed
struggle. This objection is based on the assumption that the
'enemy' is not Zionism as ideology and practice, but
Israeli-Jewish society and its members which will have to be
defeated. This objection has no merit because it does not fulfill
the first two assumptions concerning the primacy of fundamental
human rights over collective rights (see above)

3.      Fundamentalist Jews would certainly object to the use of
financial incentives to encourage 'mixed marriages'. From their
point of view, the continued existence of a specific Jewish People
overrides any other consideration, be it human love, peace of
human rights.  The President of the World Jewish Congress, Edgar
Bronfman, reflected this view a few years ago in an interview he
gave to Der Spiegel, a German magazine. He called the increasing
assimilation of Jews in the world a <calamity>, comparable in its
effects only with the Holocaust. This objection has no merit
either because it does not fulfill the first two assumptions (see
above)

4.      It may objected that only a few people in
Israel/Palestine, would request such grants and that it would thus
not serve its purpose. To this objection one might respond that
although it is not possible to determine with certainty the effect
of such a proposal, the existence of such a Fund would help mixed
couples to resist the pressure of their respective societies and
encourage young couples to reject fundamentalist and racist
attitudes.

5.      It may objected that such a Fund would need great sums to
bring about substantial demographic changes. This objection has
merits. However, it must be remembered that huge sums, more than
$3 billion, are expended each year by the United States government
and by U.S. organizations to maintain an elusive peace in the
Middle-East through armaments. A mere fraction of these sums would
suffice to launch the above proposal and create a more favorable
climate towards the existence of 'mixed' marriages in
Israel/Palestine, thus encouraging the emergence of a
non-segregated society in that worn-torn land.

I would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as
well for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful
discussion and enrichment.


Nope, I haven't seen the film, but Taylor's biography ("The Curve of
Binding Energy") contains a short section on Orion and this test flight.
Apparently it was quite impressi, and got von Braun very excited.

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I have a set of four 235-60-R14 Big O tires that I had on my 1988 Thunder
Bird. We bought them and then traided the car in. They would not give me
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Hi,

    I've just replaced my existing DTC SCSI controller with an Adaptec 1542B,
and am now having trouble restoring from a Jumbo 250 tape drive.

    I had no trouble installing the Adaptec and DOS recognises both the SCSI
drive and an existing IDE drive - however when I went to restore the backups
from the Jumbo tape I found that it was extremely slow (estimated time 3 mins
actual time 15 min!) I have no trouble restoring from the same tape to the IDE
drive.

    I seem to remember reading that some settings had to be changed to
enable the Jumbo drive and the Adaptec to work together but I can't find any
mention of it in the manuals.

 My system config is:
   i486DX/33 4Mb
   Adaptec 1542B running 180Mb Fujitsu SCSI
   IDE Controller running 200Mb IDE
   Jumbo 250 running off floppy controller on IDE

  Any help would be appreciated

   Thanks,

   Ron. (ronaldm@extro.ucc.su.oz.au)

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: [ The discussion begins: why does the universe exist at all?  ]

: One of the Laws of Nature, specifying cause and effect seems to dictate
: (at least to this layman's mind) there must be a causal event.  No
: reasonable alternative exists.

I would argue that causality is actually a property of spacetime;
causes precede their effects. But if you claim that there must be
an answer to "how" did the universe (our spacetime)  emerge from
"nothing", science has some good candidates for an answer.

I have always wondered why Christians use the "There are questions
science (or atheism) cannot answer" argument; I hope this is the
appropriate group to ask this question.

The most popular question is the question of origins. Why does the
universe exist, or anything, for that matter?

I think this question should actually be split into two parts, namely

1) Why is there existence? Why anything exists?

and

2) How did the universe emerge from nothing?

It is clear science has nothing to say about the first question. However,
is it a meaningful question, after all?

I would say it isn't. Consider the following:

A die-hard skeptic being (be it human or whatever) attempts to doubt
one's very existence. Since it is so easy to doubt everything else -
I cannot be _sure_ the world exists, it may be my mind fooling me -
can I ever be sure I exist?

However, it is only possible to exist or not to exist. (Someone
insert an appropriate Shakespeare quote here ;-) )

A being that does not exist cannot doubt one's existence.
A being that does exist can doubt one's existence, but this would be
pointless - the being would exist anyway.

Let us return to the original question: why? A being that does not
exist does not need any reasons for its non-existence. This being
is not _sure_ whether anything else exists but his mind, but let
us assume that the world exists independent of the mind (the objectivity
postulate). The question "why anything exists" can be countered by
demanding answer to a question "why there is nothing in nothingness,
or in non-existence". Actually, both questions turn out to be
devoid of meaning. Things that exist do, and things that don't exist
don't exist. Tautology at its best.

I seriously doubt God could have an answer to this question.

Some Christians I have talked to have said that actually, God is
Himself the existence. However, I see several problems with this
answer. First, it inevitably leads to the conclusion that God is
actually _all_ existence, good and evil, devils and angels, us and
them. This is pantheism, not Christianity.

Another answer is that God is the _source_ of all existence.
This sounds much better, but I am tempted to ask: Does God
Himself exist, then? If God is the source of His own existence,
it can only mean that He has, in terms of human time, always
existed. But this is not the same as the source of all existence.
This argument sounds like God does not exist, but meta-exists,
and from His meta-existent perspective, He created existence.
I think this is actually a nonsolution, a mere twist of words.

The best answer I have heard is that human reasoning is incapable
of understanding such questions. Being an atheist myself, I do not
accept such answers, since I do not have any other methods.

The second question: How did the universe emerge from nothing?
belongs to the domain of science, and I, for one, do not doubt the
question can be answered by its methods. Many cosmologists have
suggested that it is entirely possible for universes to emerge
from vacuum (this possibility has been suggested in a recent
Hawking biography; see also Lizhi & Shuxian: Creation of the Universe,
World Scientific, 1989). However, I think the sci groups are more
appropriate for discussions like this.

: As far as I can tell, the very laws of nature demand a "why".  That isn't
: true of something outside of nature (i.e., *super*natural).

This is not true. Science is a collection of models telling us "how",
not why, something happens. I cannot see any good reason why the "why"
questions would be bound only to natural things, assuming that the
supernatural domain exists. If supernatural beings exist, it is
as appropriate to ask why they do so as it is to ask why we exist.

: I believe the "genetic code" will be entirely deciphered in our lifetimes,
: but we will not see man convert entirely inert material into self sustaining,
: reproducing life, *ever*.  (I've never been much of a prophet, though. I
: can't even *picture* New York in my mind 8^] ).  I don't believe *any*
: technology would be able to produce that necessary *spark* of life, despite
: having all of the parts available. Just my opinion.

This opinion is also called vitalism; namely, that living systems are
somehow _fundamentally_ different from inanimate systems. Do Christians
in general adopt this position? What would happen when scientists announce
they have created primitive life (say, small bacteria) in a lab?

There is a problem with your prophecy: artificial life has been created,
although not yet in a chemical form. Computer simulations of evolution
contain systems that are as much alive as any bacterium, although
their code is electronic, as well as their metabolism. See a recent book

Steven Levy: Artificial life - The Quest for a New Creation. Jonathan
Cape, London 1992.

Artificial chemical life is just around the corner - after all, no
spark of life has been found to be necessary; living systems do not
violate any physical laws as we know them.

: You don't mind if a few of us send up a prayer on your behalf during your
: research, do you?  After all, if we of Christ are deluding ourselves, you
: really have nothing to worry about, eh?

Exactly. This is why I think atheists should _not_ post any evangelical
atheist arguments to soc.religion groups, since people who seek to
find peace in religions must be allowed to gather together. I would
normally have asked these questions in alt.atheism or talk.religion.misc,
but it seems many Christians do not read these groups.

Petri


LEWB>> Lets add to those percentages 13-15% for the Orphaic docterians
brought LEWB>>to the group by Paul/Saul who was a high ranking initiate. On
the LEWB>>development of Orphaic Mysteries, see Jane Harrisons .Prolegomena
to the LEWB>>study of Greek religion. Cambridge U Press 1922. and you can
easly draw LEWB>>your own conclusions.

josh> perhaps you can quote just a bit of her argument?


From: <tom>
Subject: computer cult

From scott Fri Apr 23 16:31:21 1993
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Subject: Next stand-off?
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Redwood City, CA (API) -- A tense stand-off entered its third week
today as authorities reported no progress in negotiations with
charismatic cult leader Steve Jobs.

Negotiators are uncertain of the situation inside the compound, but
some reports suggest that half of the hundreds of followers inside
have been terminated.  Others claim to be staying of their own free
will, but Jobs' persuasive manner makes this hard to confirm.

In conversations with authorities, Jobs has given conflicting
information on how heavily prepared the group is for war with the
industry.  At times, he has claimed to "have hardware which will blow
anything else away", while more recently he claims they have stopped
manufacturing their own.

Agents from the ATF (Apple-Taligent Forces) believe that the group is
equipped with serious hardware, including 486-caliber pieces and
possibly Canon equipment.

The siege has attracted a variety of spectators, from the curious to
other cultists.  Some have offered to intercede in negotiations,
including a young man who will identify himself only as "Bill" and
claims to be the "MS-iah".

Former members of the cult, some only recently deprogrammed, speak
hesitantly of their former lives, including being forced to work
20-hour days, and subsisting on Jolt and Twinkies.  There were
frequent lectures in which they were indoctrinated into a theory of
"interpersonal computing" which rejects traditional roles.

Late-night vigils on Chesapeake Drive are taking their toll on
federal marshals.  Loud rock and roll, mostly Talking Heads, blares
throughout the night.  Some fear that Jobs will fulfill his own
apocalyptic prophecies, a worry reinforced when the loudspeakers
carry Jobs' own speeches -- typically beginning with a chilling "I
want to welcome you to the 'Next World' ".