Here are the standings after the April 6 update.  I'll be leaving for Japan
in 1.5 hours, and I won't be back until April 17.  Consequently, I will not
post  the week 27 results until April 18.  Email sent between April 13 and
April 18 will be processed using the numbers available April 18.

	- Andrew

USENET Hockey Draft Standings
Week 26

Posn	Team				Pts	Proj	Cash	Last Posn

1.	Dave Wessels                    1478	1575.3	1.9	(1)
2.	Gilles Carmel                   1389	1533.8	56.3	(5)
3.	Bob Hill                        1418	1530.8	24.0	(2)
4.	The Awesome Oilers              1366	1509.9	68.6	(3)
5.	Seppo Kemppainen                1372	1508.9	47.2	(6)
6.	Mak "The Knife" Paranjape       1376	1501.8	31.0	(4)
7.	Hillside Raiders                1397	1490.7	7.0	(7)
8.	Jan Stein                       1354	1478.8	35.3	(9)
9.	Rangers Of Destiny              1346	1472.5	42.0	(10)
10.	this years model                1368	1471.8	17.6	(8)
11.	Tapio Repo                      1354	1461.0	19.6	(12)
12.	FRANK'S BIG FISH                1341	1448.3	22.0	(14)
13.	The Underachievers              1309	1446.5	65.4	(16)
14.	On Thin Ice                     1333	1445.5	32.3	(11)
15.	Lindros Losers                  1349	1436.9	1.7	(13)
16.	littlest giants                 1319	1435.7	35.6	(15)
17.	Go Flames                       1290	1422.6	64.4	(17)
18.	Mopar Muscle Men                1328	1411.7	3.7	(19)
19.	DIE Penguin Bandwaggoners       1304	1409.7	20.2	(18)
20.	Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta)   1298	1383.2	4.9	(21)
21.	General Accounting Office       1272	1373.8	20.9	(22)
22.	Migods Menschen                 1259	1367.0	31.6	(20)
23.	Boomer's Boys                   1285	1366.1	0.2	(23)
24.	Delaware Wombats                1285	1356.2	1.3	(24)
25.	Wellsy's Buttheads DEC NH       1223	1354.4	52.6	(27)
26.	Rocky Mountain High             1270	1349.3	1.8	(29)
27.	Fife Flyers                     1232	1346.3	31.4	(26)
28.	Gerald Olchowy                  1231	1343.0	33.7	(25)
29.	Fluide Glacial                  1246	1338.5	18.0	(28)
30.	Gaoler                          1227	1318.3	11.2	(30)
31.	SmegHeads                       1238	1313.0	0.3	(32)
32.	The Young And The Skateless     1185	1299.7	42.9	(31)
33.	Artic Storm                     1179	1291.8	39.3	(43)
34.	Sam & His Dogs                  1206	1289.0	11.6	(33)
35.	Neural Netters                  1199	1287.9	11.3	(35)
36.	Youngbucs                       1157	1286.6	101.7	(34)
37.	Soft Swedes                     1154	1275.3	46.9	(58)
38.	Jeff Horvath                    1188	1262.7	5.6	(39)
39.	Yan The Man Loke                1180	1261.3	0.7	(40)
40.	Milton Keynes Kings             1180	1259.6	2.8	(42)
41.	Hamster from Hoboken            1178	1257.5	8.7	(36)
42.	Le Fleur de Lys                 1159	1257.3	25.3	(46)
43.	ice legion                      1157	1256.6	28.8	(37)
44.	Simmonac                        1133	1254.4	87.6	(44)
45.	Kuehn Crushers                  1137	1253.1	45.1	(72)
46.	The Finnish Force               1149	1249.4	22.5	(48)
47.	Streaks                         1117	1247.1	54.8	(38)
48.	Legion of Hoth                  1156	1246.3	15.8	(52)
49.	Goaldingers                     1146	1240.6	22.0	(45)
50.	Grant Marven                    1155	1236.0	2.9	(50)
51.	bemybaby                        1161	1235.2	7.3	(49)
52.	T C OverAchievers               1162	1232.8	2.9	(47)
53.	Skriko Wolves                   1151	1232.4	5.4	(53)
54.	Bozrah Bruins                   1117	1230.7	45.2	(41)
55.	Brian Bergman                   1132	1229.3	23.3	(51)
56.	LIPPE                           1132	1214.7	13.9	(65)
57.	Randy Coulman                   1140	1214.5	5.2	(56)
58.	LAMP LIGHTERS                   1138	1214.2	5.9	(66)
59.	Dave Snell                      1089	1212.5	182.5	(60)
60.	Steven And Mark Dream Team      1133	1210.6	3.1	(53)
61.	Houdini's Magicians             1126	1209.9	18.3	(59)
62.	Real Bad Toe Jam                1096	1208.6	48.9	(63)
63.	rec.sport.hockey choices        1137	1208.3	1.3	(63)
64.	Iowa Hockeyes                   1118	1205.7	16.3	(55)
65.	buffalo soldiers                1085	1204.6	62.1	(57)
66.	Indianapolis Bennies            1114	1200.6	20.8	(67)
67.	Bloom County All Stars          1121	1199.2	4.3	(61)
68.	Tom                             1109	1194.0	13.1	(68)
69.	Phil and Kev's Karma Dudes      1121	1192.6	0.8	(69)
70.	AIK Exiles                      1078	1188.1	34.5	(70)
71.	Doug Bowles                     1099	1186.4	20.0	(62)
72.	Bruins                          1117	1184.9	0.1	(75)
73.	smithw                          1095	1184.3	21.0	(71)
74.	The Great Pumpkin               1057	1178.6	54.4	(73)
75.	shooting seamen                 1111	1177.8	0.1	(77)
76.	Frank Worthless                 1099	1176.6	6.3	(82)
77.	NON!                            1089	1175.7	16.4	(74)
78.	Invisible Inc                   1104	1173.5	1.1	(79)
79.	Brad Gibson                     1075	1169.0	27.2	(89)
80.	Chubby Checkers                 1074	1165.6	16.3	(85)
81.	PLP Fools                       1092	1164.8	0.1	(76)
82.	John Zupancic                   1063	1164.2	27.1	(78)
83.	Staffan Axelsson                1082	1163.0	15.1	(80)
84.	David Wong                      1038	1162.5	66.1	(87)
85.	Kortelaisen Kovat               1041	1160.7	164.1	(92)
86.	Chocolate Rockets               1083	1158.9	2.5	(83)
87.	Ken DeCruyenaere                1078	1158.8	5.0	(94)
88.	Cougarmania                     1061	1154.7	24.8	(86)
89.	garryola                        1073	1152.9	9.7	(81)
90.	Derrill's Dastardly Dozen       1062	1149.6	22.1	(88)
91.	No Namers                       1033	1147.6	58.2	(91)
92.	The Campi Machine               1022	1145.8	65.3	(90)
93.	Gary Bergman Fan Club           1071	1145.1	5.1	(98)
94.	Fisher Dirtbags                 1073	1144.1	0.7	(93)
95.	KODIAKS                         1076	1141.0	1.3	(84)
96.	Arsenal Maple Leafs             1066	1136.0	3.8	(99)
97.	The Kamucks                     1020	1134.1	76.1	(105)
98.	BSC Oranienburg                 1067	1132.1	7.1	(102)
99.	Bloodgamers                     1018	1127.1	42.1	(97)
100.	Ellis Islanders                 1055	1125.5	7.6	(100)
101.	Mombasa Mosquitos               1053	1125.4	6.1	(95)
102.	Edelweiss                       1049	1122.8	2.9	(101)
103.	Zachmans Wingers                1006	1117.7	49.8	(103)
104.	Wormtown Woosbags               1001	1114.6	72.6	(96)
105.	Dirty White Socks               1008	1113.6	43.4	(106)
106.	Hurricane Andrew                1040	1113.5	7.6	(104)
107.	Larry                           1034	1113.2	11.8	(109)
108.	VoteNoOct26                     1010	1108.5	31.8	(108)
	Bruce's Rented Mules            1033	1108.5	11.9	(110)
110.	King Suke                       1042	1108.2	0.1	(112)
111.	Teem Kanada                     1030	1105.3	16.0	(115)
112.	Bjoern Leaguen                  987	1104.7	61.4	(123)
113.	Frank's Follies                 1020	1101.2	24.2	(117)
114.	Neil Younger                    985	1100.9	77.7	(120)
115.	Het Schot Is Hard               1027	1100.8	18.1	(121)
116.	PSV Dartmouth                   1033	1100.7	7.1	(107)
117.	Pond Slime                      1034	1096.8	0.7	(111)
118.	Stanford Ice Hawks              1008	1096.5	28.2	(114)
119.	SPUDS                           1019	1096.4	12.6	(113)
120.	Mark Sanders                    1020	1091.9	11.1	(116)
121.	Oklahoma Stormchasers           1004	1089.9	28.3	(137)
122.	Timo Ojala                      1015	1084.2	0.3	(130)
123.	Nesbitt                         1025	1083.0	1.1	(118)
124.	Aye Carumba!!!                  1016	1082.4	3.9	(124)
125.	Kokudo Keikaku Bunnies          976	1081.2	40.3	(119)
126.	Blue Talon                      1007	1080.0	13.3	(129)
127.	Apricot Fuzzfaces               1001	1078.3	23.3	(125)
128.	Haral                           1013	1077.8	7.3	(122)
129.	garys team                      995	1076.5	17.1	(126)
130.	Late Night with David Letterman 1013	1075.3	0.0	(133)
131.	Arctic Circles                  974	1075.2	37.6	(132)
132.	The Lost Poots                  1000	1072.9	6.7	(127)
	Seattle PFTB                    988	1072.9	22.9	(134)
134.	boutch 92-93                    987	1071.5	20.0	(135)
135.	Dirty Rotten Puckers            1001	1071.2	1.2	(147)
136.	Flying Kiwis                    998	1069.8	9.1	(130)
	Cluster Buster                  996	1069.8	7.6	(136)
138.	Scott Glenn                     999	1068.7	10.2	(142)
139.	Dree Hobbs                      988	1068.5	13.4	(146)
140.	GO BRUINS                       999	1066.6	6.2	(144)
141.	Le Groupe MI                    975	1065.4	30.2	(141)
142.	team gold                       992	1065.1	16.7	(128)
143.	Closet Boy's Boys               955	1063.4	48.0	(140)
144.	Gary Bill Pens Dynasty          982	1063.2	19.6	(151)
	McKees Rocks Rockers            998	1063.2	5.1	(151)
146.	Tim Rogers                      987	1061.9	8.1	(148)
147.	Andy Y F WONG                   982	1061.1	21.5	(143)
148.	Buttered Waffles                947	1059.6	46.0	(145)
149.	Bob's Blues                     951	1059.2	46.8	(139)
150.	Princeton Canucks               945	1058.9	124.2	(154)
151.	GO HABS GO                      989	1058.7	8.0	(149)
152.	Wembley LostWeekenders          998	1057.6	0.3	(157)
153.	Wild Hearted Sons               993	1057.5	4.9	(138)
154.	Einstein's Rock Band            994	1054.8	0.0	(160)
155.	Tap                             989	1053.0	0.5	(150)
156.	Goddess Of Fermentation         964	1051.0	30.2	(156)
157.	HUNTERS & COLLECTORS            945	1050.6	42.4	(163)
158.	Dr Joel Fleishman               985	1048.7	3.7	(159)
159.	furleys furies                  983	1048.6	3.6	(153)
160.	convex stars                    979	1047.9	5.6	(161)
161.	Les Nordiques                   939	1046.9	60.4	(155)
162.	MY TEAM                         932	1045.3	174.8	(167)
163.	Hubert's Hockey Homeboys        980	1043.9	0.6	(162)
	Book 'em Danno's Bushbabies     977	1043.9	10.5	(169)
165.	riding the pine                 956	1038.7	20.7	(158)
166.	Sundogs                         975	1037.1	0.4	(166)
167.	Jeff Nimeroff                   927	1037.0	48.8	(172)
168.	Slap Shot Marco                 930	1036.0	51.8	(164)
169.	Daryl Turner                    976	1035.8	2.4	(179)
170.	The Dreamers                    921	1033.1	63.7	(180)
171.	East City Jokers                919	1031.6	69.1	(173)
172.	Flowers                         921	1031.4	113.6	(168)
173.	Satan's Choice                  961	1030.1	14.5	(171)
174.	The Leafs Rule!!!!              943	1030.0	25.8	(165)
175.	Pierre Mailhot                  969	1029.9	2.6	(174)
176.	voyageurs                       968	1029.4	2.7	(170)
177.	Spinal Tap                      928	1029.1	41.4	(176)
178.	San Jose Mahi Mahi              939	1026.7	31.8	(185)
	Stimpy ADG Zeta                 949	1026.7	21.0	(182)
180.	Jeff Bachovchin                 916	1024.7	46.7	(175)
181.	Bulldogs                        941	1024.5	23.4	(184)
182.	LANA Inc                        940	1021.0	27.3	(177)
183.	Big Bad Bruins                  939	1020.6	18.5	(186)
184.	Mike Mac Cormack Sydney NS CAN  904	1019.1	107.2	(183)
185.	Darse Billings                  925	1017.8	34.7	(178)
186.	Chappel's Chumps                934	1017.6	24.0	(181)
187.	JimParker                       903	1014.5	179.0	(192)
188.	Republican Dirty Tricksters     894	1008.0	66.0	(189)
189.	Enforcers                       924	1007.8	28.1	(191)
190.	Absolut Lehigh                  937	1007.7	8.9	(190)
191.	Yellow Plague                   933	1005.0	14.2	(187)
192.	Dr.D And The S.O.D.             929	1003.8	17.1	(198)
193.	Bunch of Misfits                916	1003.3	23.8	(188)
194.	Ninja Turtles                   942	1000.8	1.3	(194)
195.	Great Expectations              934	999.3	2.3	(196)
196.	Cherry Bombers                  939	998.1	1.2	(200)
197.	Henry's Bar B Q                 941	998.0	0.7	(195)
198.	Robyns Team                     907	993.5	30.0	(198)
199.	Team Melville                   891	991.8	46.9	(202)
200.	Umpire 4 life                   919	990.9	11.1	(193)
201.	Acadien                         914	988.9	18.3	(197)
202.	Kaufbeuren Icebreakers          894	988.2	37.6	(207)
203.	Firebirds                       926	986.5	3.9	(201)
204.	Jayson's Kinky Pucks            904	986.1	26.9	(203)
205.	Cobra's Killers                 891	982.5	31.7	(208)
206.	Outlaws                         871	981.6	164.9	(206)
207.	Kuta Papercuts                  912	981.5	18.5	(204)
208.	Killer Apes                     902	979.9	24.3	(205)
209.	DARMAN'S Dragons                896	979.4	28.3	(211)
210.	Roger Smith                     882	978.2	39.6	(212)
211.	Those 1st few weeks hurt!       862	975.1	55.9	(210)
212.	Thundering Herd                 860	972.8	163.6	(218)
213.	IKEA Wholesale                  910	970.2	1.7	(214)
214.	Believe it or dont              895	968.7	21.1	(215)
215.	fred mckim                      861	966.8	93.0	(217)
216.	400 Hurricane                   880	966.4	32.1	(216)
217.	Creeping Death                  886	965.0	21.3	(220)
218.	Knee Injuries                   897	964.9	10.4	(213)
219.	The 200 Club                    902	964.7	6.8	(209)
220.	Crazy Euros                     888	962.1	17.9	(219)
221.	Frack Attack                    875	961.8	27.3	(226)
222.	Todd's Turkeys                  898	957.0	1.9	(229)
223.	Ryan's Renegades                858	956.4	50.9	(225)
224.	Cafall and Crew                 862	955.9	38.3	(222)
225.	pig vomit                       894	955.2	1.3	(227)
226.	Ice Strykers                    848	954.4	105.4	(221)
227.	Fighting Geordies               850	954.1	141.6	(223)
228.	CDN Stuck in Alabama            886	945.7	10.3	(231)
229.	Ship's Way                      884	943.4	8.7	(233)
230.	Swillbellies                    870	942.8	18.7	(228)
231.	Oz                              851	941.8	35.0	(235)
232.	Chris of Death                  835	939.3	83.6	(234)
233.	Banko's Beer Rangers            875	938.6	4.2	(230)
234.	NY Flames                       872	938.1	7.8	(232)
235.	Laubsters II                    828	937.4	201.6	(237)
236.	dayton bomber                   882	935.1	0.0	(241)
237.	Zipper Heads                    847	931.7	33.9	(224)
238.	Ninja Bunnies                   826	928.1	44.9	(236)
239.	Joliet Inmates                  832	926.0	45.8	(239)
240.	Widefield White Wolves          832	924.1	36.9	(242)
241.	Daves Team                      834	920.9	32.0	(238)
242.	Great Scott                     814	917.8	73.3	(240)
243.	South Carolina Tiger Paws       806	915.1	78.4	(243)
244.	SANDY'S SABRES                  854	910.8	4.7	(245)
245.	Florida Tech Burgh Team         809	904.6	49.3	(250)
246.	The Ice Holes                   850	903.9	2.7	(246)
247.	Leos Blue Chips                 845	902.9	10.4	(244)
248.	For xtc                         837	897.8	8.2	(248)
249.	roadrunners                     826	895.9	18.5	(249)
250.	Mudville Kings                  816	894.0	27.6	(251)
251.	Redliners                       820	890.8	15.9	(253)
252.	Pat Phillips                    827	889.1	10.1	(247)
253.	New Jersey Rob                  835	883.0	0.7	(252)
254.	Stewart Clamen                  821	869.4	1.6	(255)
255.	Demon Spawn                     782	860.1	25.0	(254)
256.	Sunnyvale Storm                 772	813.5	0.2	(256)
257.	Allez les Blues                 713	810.7	476.9	(257)
258.	Up For Sale Hockey Club         725	795.0	23.0	(260)
259.	Petes Picks                     689	788.1	168.5	(258)
260.	RINACO                          682	781.6	114.0	(259)
261.	Brenz Revenge                   669	718.5	4.0	(261)
262.	Dinamo Riga                     571	663.8	571.6	(262)
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Andrew Scott                    | andrew@idacom.hp.com
HP IDACOM Telecom Operation     | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253


PC-Xview from NCD, HCL-eXceed from Hummingbird Software!


If the Clipper chip can do cheap crypto for the masses, obviously one
could do the same thing WITHOUT building in back doors.

Indeed, even without special engineering, you can construct a good
system right now. A standard codec chip, a chip to do vocoding, a DES
chip, a V32bis integrated modem module, and a small processor to do
glue work, are all you need to have a secure phone. You can dump one
or more of the above if you have a fast processor. With integration,
you could put all of them onto a single chip -- and in the future they
can be.

Yes, cheap crypto is good -- but we don't need it from the government.
You can do everything the clipper chip can do without needing it to be
compromised. When the White House releases stuff saying "this is good
because it gives people privacy", note that we didn't need them to
give us privacy, the capability is available using commercial hardware
right now.

Indeed, were it not for the government doing everything possible to
stop them, Qualcomm would have designed strong encryption right in to
the CDMA cellular phone system they are pioneering. Were it not for
the NSA and company, cheap encryption systems would be everywhere. As
it is, they try every trick in the book to stop it. Had it not been
for them, I'm sure cheap secure phones would be out right now.

They aren't the ones making cheap crypto available. They are the ones
keeping cheap crypto out of people's hands. When they hand you a
clipper chip, what you are getting is a mess of pottage -- your prize
for having traded in your birthright.

And what did we buy with our birthright? Did we get safety from
foreigners? No. They can read conference papers as well as anyone else
and are using strong cryptography. Did we get safety from professional
terrorists? I suspect that they can get cryptosystems themselves on
the open market that work just fine -- most of them can't be idiots
like the guys that bombed the trade center. Are we getting cheaper
crypto for ourselves? No, because the market would have provided that
on its own had they not deliberately sabotaged it.

Someone please tell me what exactly we get in our social contract in
exchange for giving up our right to strong cryptography?
--
Perry Metzger		pmetzger@shearson.com


I am looking for Super 8mm Projector with SOUNDS.
If anybody out there has one for sale, send email with
the name of brand, condition of the projector, and price
for sale to kimd@rpi.edu
(IT MUST HAVE SOUND CAPABILITY)


	Nonsense.  First, the uranium fuel is sealed in zirconium
alloy cylinders (which don't melt in any circumstances short of
major failure of the power plant).  Second, the primary water
(that circulates inside the reactor core) is never pumped into the
cooling tower (it's the SECONDARY water cycle that goes
through the cooling tower).  Third, liquid uranium would burst
into flame on contact with air.

	Cleaning crew working in a mist of uranium?  This is a
toxic heavy metal, even if it WEREN'T radioactive.  Shouldn't there
be some smileys here?  Or frowneys?


I thought the implication was that the prince destroyed one fourth of the
remaining Persian troops on the second round, and then 1/11 of those remaining
on the third round.  This would mean


	Doug> NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com

	Doug> ..continuing on my build problems, I got stuck here build xterm...

	Doug> Undefined                       first referenced
	Doug>  symbol                             in file
	Doug> index                               /usr/ucblib/libtermcap.a(termcap.o)
	Doug> rindex                              /usr/ucblib/libtermcap.a(termcap.o)
	Doug> ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to xterm

Actually .. the problem is that you have to build with LD_LIBRARY_PATH
unset as well as LD_RUN_PATH.


And does it not say in scripture that no man knows the hour of His coming, not
even the angels in Heaven but only the Father Himself?  DK was trying to play
God by breaking the seals himself.  DK killed himself and as many of his
followers as he could.  BTW, God did save the children.  They are in Heaven,
a far better place.  How do I know?  By faith.

God be with you,


I'm not sure about the helmet but for chin questions you might
want to write to a:

 Jay Leno
 c/o Tonight Show
 Burbank Calif.

Good luck.


Tail-recursive functions in Scheme are at least as efficient as iterative
loops.  Anyone who doesn't program in assembler will have heard of optimizing
compilers.


It is true that Mormons believe that all spirits (including Jesus,
Lucifer, Robert Weiss) are in the same family.  It does not mean
that Jesus was created, but rather that Lucifer and Robert Weiss
were not.  I agree that this is a "heresy".  So what?
The sweating of blood in Gethsemene is
not a basic Mormon doctrine.  Jesus did not perform the atonement
in Getheseme alone, as some anti-Mormons are trying to teach.
As far as the "unpardonable sin" whatever that is, it is Biblical,
and not specifically Mormon.  It is also called the sin against
the Holy Ghost.  Most Bible scholars (other than conservative
ones) do not believe Jehovah and Elohim were always the same.
I'm sure you've heard of the J and the E texts?  I don't
know what you mean by "That He needed to be saved".  Jesus?
Jehovah?  Elohim?  In Mormon doctrine, Jesus was sinless,
and thus did not "need to be saved".

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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."


I need a off-the-shelf method of transmitting small amounts of data up to
300 feet.  The data is low speed and can be encoded as needed.  Low power
on the transmitting end would be a plus.  An FCC certified product would
be prefered.

If you have any pointers to products or companies I'd appreciate hearing from
you.


I am thinking about getting an Infiniti G20.
In consumer reports it is ranked high in many
catagories including highest in reliability index for compact cars.
Mitsubushi Galant was second followed by Honda Accord).

A couple of things though:
1) In looking around I have yet to see anyone driving this
   car. I see lots of Honda's and Toyota's.
2) There is a special deal where I can get an Infinity G20, fully
   loaded, at dealer cost (I have check this out and the numbers match
   up). They are doing this because they are releasing and update mid-1993
   version (includes dual air-bags) and want to get rid of their old 1993's.

I guess my question is: Is this a good deal?
Also, Can anyone give me any feedback on Infiniti?

Thanks,

Carl Hoffman

P.S.


For Sale:

Fitted car cover specifically for '91',92,'93 MR-2.

Top of the line Evolution-3 [TM] fabric. Used for less than 6 months.
The cover is in excellent condition-no rips, cuts, stains or other
blemishes. It has grommets for a locking cable. The color is silver.

Price: $90 f.o.b. will ship collect

please contact wchutt@monsanto.com

or phone at


I have a 24-pin printer which is an ALPs Allegro24.  It's both a fast
printer with LQ and a very sophisticated design.  It has a straight paper
path and the capability of auto-forwarding sheets to tear off and then back
(a big paper saver as you never have to waste sheets to get a current
print out).  It can also handle single sheets without removing the formfeed
and has sophisticated preferences options (you can interactively program
all the preferences to control the printer and get printed feedback without
ever using a computer).  You get prompts and menus to pick your current setup
and default set up.  This was THE top of the line LQ dot matrix when I bought
it three years ago for $399.  It is also Epson LQ2500 compatible (besides it's
own modes) and comes with IBM driver software (which I've never used since I
own an Amiga).  Has a card slot for upgrading memory or fonts.

    I'll let it go for $150 including shipping prepaid.  COD orders must pay
all shipping and COD costs.

   Adisak Pochanayon - 608-238-2463

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   Also a light gun and UFORCE controller for Nintendo but with PD driver
software to use them on the Amiga.  The light gun is fully remote (no wires).
Best offer over $75 ($30 less than my cost and they are both brand new).

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     Jeez!!! It never fails, get in the tub and there's a rub at the lamp!
-- The Genie from Aladdin.

             pochanay@cae.wisc.edu   eddie (Adisak) Pochanayon
 Check out all of SilverFox SoftWare's Releases.... your Amiga entertainment.


	The Olds Supreme Convertible got high marks in C/D's recent test, if
you can get by the stupid body moldings and stuff.  The Saab 900 ragtop may
be out of your range, but its a good choice.  Is there a new F-car convertible?
The Nissan 240SX convertible is a nice car also... Those immediately come to
mind...


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Wrong, if a bunch of faggots from the tenderloin decide to go straight
bashing and they selectively target a heterosexual man and beat the bloody
fuck out of him, they would get charged as well under all the federal laws
that exist about violation of civils rights. The focus of their intent is
his sexual orientation, and so the law applies to them as well. The
national government retains the right to make any laws necessary to
sufficiently deter and punish any crime against someone's civil rights
until that behavior becomes so well punished that nobody even tries it!
The fact is, that at last count, gays were not beating straights for their
sexual orientation. Thus, the law is getting applied only to the straights
who indulge themselves. The federal government or judiciary has the right
to enforce the 14th amendment guarantee of equal protection under law even
if it takes 1000 possible charges against people who would violate them. Go
read your constitutional law. We broke the back of the KKK's harrassment
campaign with the same strategy in the early 1900's. So many went to jail
and for so long that it cut the heart out of the KKK.
-RSW

----------------------------------------
This "mutation" as you call it, protects your little butt too, if you
happen to be somewhere where you're the wrong "shade" for somebody else's
taste. If it can be shown that the motive for the assault on you was
racially motivated, then the full power of these extra laws that bring more
charges and punishments will come against those who harmed you. The first
use of such laws was well over a hundred years ago, and constitutional
scholars of all conviction recognize that this right reserved to the
federal government is well established and not just some short-lived
peculiarity, too! Go read some constitutional law for awhile. Maybe you'll
get it.
-RSW

--------------------------


[and quotes a lot of stuff unnecessarily]

Ain't got a pair of fatigues... and I don't blast people wandering aimlessly,
I ask them what they're doing there... I only blast people who display
obvious violent intent... like black-clad men with weapons climbing thru
second-story windows, or people who break down the door instead of knocking.
Or people who knock my house down with tanks and set it afire.  Sound
familiar yet?

Riddle me this: Why the hell are the CONVICTED CRIMINALS in Ohio getting
the kid glove treatment, and the BD's are burned alive without a trial?
Put aside who started the blaze, I still think any decent shyster can
make a case for cruel and unusual punishment, playing the sounds of
tortured rabbits over the loudspeakers (where's the SPCA in all this?)...

Oh, and that's Mister gun-toter SIR to you, bucko.  Just because you choose
to abandon your rights, leave mine the hell alone, thankyouverymuch.


I have an external hard drive I wish to use as startup disk.
problem is, when I switch on the mac, it boots on the internal HD,
but when I restart  (warm boot) the mac, it boots from the external.
how do I make  it boot directly from the external ?

please email replies if possible.

thanks in advance.


So, I begin my 6 week sabbatical in about 15 minutes.  Six wonderful weeks
of riding, and no phones or email.

I won't have any way to check mail (or setup a vacation agent, no sh*t!),
though I can dial in and get newsfeed, (dont ask), so if there are any
outstanding CFC's or such things,please try my compuserve address:

72517.3356@compuserve.com

Anybody wants to do some WEEKDAY rides around the BA, send me a mail
to above or post here.

I'll be thinking about all of you stuck if front of your
terminals......"Sheeyaahhh, and monkeys might fly out of my butt..."
ride safe,
dave

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                           Sense AIN'T common....

Dave Warner                          Opinions unlikely to be shared
AMA 687955/HOG 0588773/DoD 870	     by my employer or anyone else
dwarner@sceng.ub.com                 _Signature on file_
dwarner@milo.ub.com                  72517.3356@compuserve.com
'93 FXSTS                            '71 T120 (Stolen)


This is a despicable LIE! It was sunny on 3rd July 1958 from 11.23am
to 11 37am. I made a note of it. Diaries are never wrong.

Do you, by any chance ride a Harley? (just a feeling...) How is your
neck? Calamine lotion is good, I'm told.

I am getting bored with winding up Americans. Its like bombing fish
in a barrel.

Haaaaaaaaaaave a Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay


May I suggest you chech out the _Palestinian National Covenant (1964)_.  It may
not use the exact words as quoted above but I'm sure many will agree that the
same message is being issued.  Later on when I get back home I will try to find
the precise section(s) but you can do the research for now (I hope).  I also
realize that Yasser Arafat renounced the _Covenant_ *to the Western media only*
but he has yet to inform the PNC officially and enequivocally of his exact
intentions on this issue.  Therefore, as far as we are concerned the _Covenant_
still stands as the "Bible" (so to speak) of the mainstream Palestinian
National movement!

As a staunch pro-Israel activist I can confidently say that Bnai Brith has NOT
influenced my opinions on the Arab-Israeli conflict.  As I mentioned above,
just a little research on the subject will lead anyone to reach a similar
conclusion on the Palestinian National movement (the PLO in most cases).  BB
does not properly speak for me nor many of the people around me who share
my views.

What 1948 situation?  A negative situation I presume?  Is this the same
"situation" when the Jordanian occupiers of East Jerusalem would not allow the
Jews to go worship at the HOLIEST SITE IN JUDIASM?  Was this an example of
Qu'ranic law being exercised?  If not, I have another suggested reading for
you... get into the "soc.culture.arabic" newsgroup where the posters have been
debating the topic "Jews in the Qu'ran" (and may I remind you the people doing
the debating appear to be devout Muslims with some knowledge of the Qu'ran).
You will find that Jews aren't really viewed positively by the Qu'ran (to put
it lightly).  So how do you think Jews (or any other non-Islamic religion) will
be treated by an Islamic state governed by the words of the Qu'ran?  I think
the 1948-1967 "situation" in Jerusalem will return *at best*!  What do you
think?

All I have to say to that is, once again, see s.c.a - "Jews in the Qu'ran" and
think again.  "Freedom of choice" is *definitely* not an option in Qu'ranic
law especially for non-Muslims and ALL women!  Remember the Gulf War?  I'm sure
you saw the reports about how women had few rights in Saudi Arabia (an Islamic
state).

Probably nothing!  Aside from how to break the news to his Palestinian brethren
that the _Covenant_ is "null and void" without getting assassinated himself!

In conclusion, Ahmed, you should go to the library and find the _Palestinian
National Covenant (1964)_ and read it VERY CAREFULLY.  By the way, Redpath
Library DOES have it in stock because that is exactly where I found it when I
was doing my research.  So enjoy the reading and I hope we will be hearing back
from you soon!

- Mike

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       MI     KE   MIK    EMIK   EMI  K        "Opinions expressed above
       M I   K E  M   I  K        E   M         are my own and not that
       M  I K  E  MIKEM  I  KEM   I   K         of 'Big Blue'"
       M   I   K  E   M   IKE M  IKE  MIKE


	I think you'd have to do some massive data compression just to
fit a bit of key information on each primary particle of the known
universe.
	But, hey, it's fun to imagine.


	I originally wrote to the person who asked this question
personally, but decided to post the information I had on the topic.

	I spoke to the pastor of my parish (Catholic) recently,
by coincidence, on this subject.  His explaination was that
while it is possible for a couple to marry without the presence
of a priest, it is important to have it recognized by the
Church as soon as it is possible.  Because the Church
recoginizes itself as a community of believers, members
of the church, to some degree, are to be held accountable
to each other.  To be less hypothetical than that mythical
couple on the desert island, there are many places in the
world that do not have priests availible for marriages
on a regular basis.  Therefore, couples get married without
the priest being present, but get the priest to testify to
their marriage when one comes through the area.

	I remember a religion teacher in high school saying
that the marriage ceremony is not for the benefit of the couple
as much as it is for the benefit of the community.  Thus,
married couples have some responsibility to the community
to stay married, as divorce sets a bad example for the
community.  Also, the couple has vowed to become one with
one another--the community should be able to rely on that
couple to be as one.

	While couples may marry without witnesses, they
may NOT get anulments without a priest present.  An
anulment is simply an admission of the church that what
they had declared a marriage was not, in fact, a marriage
at all, for whatever reason.  So don't start getting married
in the back seat of a station wagon and giving yourselves
anulments a half-hour later!!

	I tend to agree with the response back there that
said couples become married as soon as they consumate their
marriage, but I would add that couples should consider their
marriage consumated if they have sex, whether or not they
intended to be married, assuming they were both willing
partners to the sexual act.  The couple must be prepared
to raise any children they may have as a result of that
sexual act with the benefit of both parents.  Sex IS a
commitment, I believe, in God's eyes.

	But I'm digressing....

			God be with you,


Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back
the lost weight does not constitute "weight rebound" until it
exceeds the starting weight?  Or is this oral tradition that
is shared only among you obesity researchers?

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Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."


This may be a very naive question but is there any basis for the
claim that a CPU will get hotter when a computationally intensive
job is running? My friend claims that there will be little difference
in the temperature of an idle CPU and a CPU running a computationally
intensive job.


the
off,
machine
the
think
in

it

Sorry, but mine works fine  (C650)


1993 World Championships in Germany:
 ====================================

	Group A standings (Munich)	Group B	standings (Dortmund)
	--------------------------	----------------------------

	           GP  W T L GF-GA P	              GP  W T L GF-GA P

	Sweden      1  1 0 0  1-0  2	Germany        1  1 0 0  6-0  2
	Italy       1  0 1 0  2-2  1 	Czech republic 1  0 1 0  1-1  1
	Russia      1  0 1 0  2-2  1	USA            1  0 1 0  1-1  1
	Canada      0  0 0 0  0-0  0	Finland        0  0 0 0  0-0  0
	Switzerland 0  0 0 0  0-0  0	France         0  0 0 0  0-0  0
	Austria     1  0 0 1  0-1  0	Norway         1  0 0 1  0-6  0

 April 18:  Italy - Russia    2-2           Norway - Germany      0-6
            Sweden - Austria  1-0           USA - Czech republic  1-1

 April 19:  Canada - Switzerland					15:30
            Russia - Austria                Finland - France		20:00

 April 20:  Sweden - Canada                 Czech republic - Germany	15:30
            Switzerland - Italy             Finland - USA		20:00

 April 21:                                  Germany - France		15:30
            Italy - Sweden                  Czech republic - Norway	20:00

 April 22:  Switzerland - Russia            USA - France		15:30
            Austria - Canada                Norway - Finland		20:00

 April 23:  Switzerland - Austria           Germany - Finland		20:00

 April 24:  Russia - Sweden                 Czech republic - France	15:30
            Canada - Italy                  USA - Norway		20:00

 April 25:  Sweden - Switzerland            Finland- Czech republic  	15:30
            Russia - Canada                 Germany - USA		20:00

 April 26:  Austria - Italy                 France - Norway		20:00

 PLAYOFFS:
 =========

 April 27:	Quarterfinals
		A #2 - B #3						15:30
		A #3 - B #2						20:00

 April 28:	Quarterfinals
		A #1 - B #4						15:30
		A #4 - B #1						20:00

 April 29:	Relegation
		A #5 - B #6						15:30
		A #6 - B #5						20:00

 April 30:	Semifinals
		A #1/B #4 - A #3/B #2					15:30
		A #4/B #1 - A #2/B #3					20:00

 May 1:		Relegation						14:30
		Bronze medal game 					19:00

 May 2:		FINAL							15:00


Can somebody please help me with information about an
American Magnetics Corporation Magstripe Card Reader that
I recently bought locally from a surplus dealer.

On the rear it has the following information:

	American Magnetics Corporation
	Carson, CA, USA
	Magstripe Card Reader
	Model 41,
	P/N 507500 - 2300112311

It is fitted with a cable with a RS232 Cannon 25-pin connector on
the end and has a separate power connector like the once used with
wall chargers.

Frode


My votes (FWIW):

Team MVP: Pat Verbeek. He fans on 25% of goal mouth feeds, but he still has
36 goals after a terrible start and has been an examplary (sp?) team captain
throughout a tough couple of seasons. Honorable mention: Nick Kypreos and
Mark Janssens. Probably more appropriate in the unsung heroes category than
MVP, but Kypreos (17 goals, 320+ PIM) has been the hardest working player on
the team and Janssens is underrated as a defensive center and checker. I guess
I place a greater emphasis on hard work than skill when determining value.

Biggest surprise: Geoff Sanderson. He had 13 goals and 31 points last season
as a center, then moved to left wing and has so far put up 45 goals and 80+
points. He now has a new Whaler record 21 power play goals, most all coming
from the right wing faceoff circle, his garden spot. Honorable mention: Andrew
Cassels and Terry Yake. The kiddie quartet of Sanderson, Poulin, Nylander, and
Petrovicky have been attracting the most attention, but Cassels is just 23
and will score close to 90 points this season. He has quite nicely assumed the
role of number one center on the team and works very well with Sanderson. Yake
bounced around the minors for a number of seasons but is still 24 and will put
up about 20 goals and 50 points this season. Yake, like Sanderson, started
performing better offensively once he was converted from center to wing,
although lefty Sanderson went to the left wing and righty Yake went to the
right side.

Biggest disappointment: Hands down, John Cullen. Cullen had a disasterous 77
point season last year, his first full season after The Trade. Cullen started
the season off of summer back surgery, and fell flat on his face (appropriate,
since he spent all of his Whaler career flat on his ass, and whining about it).
Cullen scored just 9 point on 19 games, was a clubhouse malcontent, commanded
the powerplay to a 9% success percentage (>21% with Sanderson), and sulked his
way out of town. Worst of all, his 4 year, $4M contract had three years left
to run, so no one would give up any more than the 2nd round draft pick the
Maple Leafs offered to Hartford. Honorable mention: Steve Konroyd, also subpar
after signing a 3 year, $2.1M contract; Eric Weinrich, who showed flashes of
competence, but overall has played poorly; Jim McKenzie, who was a much better
hockey player two seasons ago than he is now; and Frank Pietrangelo, who only
seemed to play well when Sean Burke was out for an extended period and he got
to make a number of starts in a row.


Has anyone found a fix for the following problem?

Client Software:	SunOs 4.1.1, X11R5
Server Hardware:	Sun IPC
Server Software:	SunOs 4.1.1, Open Windows 3.0 (w/ patch 100444-37)

A Motif 1.2.2 application will periodically hang when run against the
OpenWindows 3.0 server (xnews). The pulldown is displayed but then no
button actions have any effect. Sometimes pressing <Return> will
unstick the application but not usually. It looks like the pulldown is
grabbing the focus and never letting go. Other windows on the display
continue to get updated so the server isn't hanging. If I log in from
another terminal and kill the Motif application then everything gets
back to normal. The same application when run against other X servers
(including MIT X11R5 Xsun, DecWindows, Tektronix X terminal) has no
problems. This is obviously a OpenWindows problem but I need a
work-around since most of our customers are OpenWindows users.

I have tried the following things:

    1. Installing the latest version of the OpenWindows server patch
       (100444-37).

    2. Using mwm (version 1.2.2) instead of olwm.

    3. Applying the patch specified in the Motif FAQ (question 110).
       This had the effect of disabling the point-and-click method of
       menu interaction (as opposed to the click-and-drag method), and
       screwing up the menu mnemonics keys. It did seem to help, but I
       was still able to get the application to hang.

Repeat By:

This is an intermittent problem so you'll have to try several times.

Click and release on a menu heading (pulldown menu will pop up)

Click and release on a menu item

Repeat until application hangs

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.


Look, guy, I doubt anyone here approves of Drunk Driving, but if
he's been caught and convicted and punished maybe you ought to
lighten up? I mean, it isn't like most of us haven't had a few
and then ridden or driven home. *We* just didn't get caught.
And I can speak for myself and say it will *never* happen again,
but that is beside the point.

In answer to the original poster: I'd insure whatever vehicle
is cheapest, and can get you to and from work, and suffer
through it for a few years, til your rates drop.

And *don't* drink and drive. I had one friend killed by a
drunk, and I was rear ended by one, totaling my bike (bent
frame), and only failing to kill me because I had an eye
on my mirror while I waited at the stoplight.

Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350


Yes, long before Star Trek.  Before Einstein, in fact.

Vulcan as a planet inside Mercury was hypothesized to explain a perturbation
of Mercury's orbit that could not be explained by the known planets.  But
Einstein's theory of relativity explained Mercury's motion, and analysis
of Mercury's motion now shows there are _not_ any planets inside its orbit.


I'm looking for information how W-NT uses Proteced Mode. (The HW support)


Of course, if you're planning to pull a Rushdie then declaring one's
leaving the religion is little to be concerned about compared to one's
other plans.

In Rushdie's case, the one under discussion, one can. It is tragic that
in _some_ "Islamic" countries this is so. There are, however, Islamic
countries (whose constitutions contains statements that Islamic law is
to be incorporated), e.g. Kuwait, where one can freely make such
statements without fear.

This story has become tiresome. The conditions are clear. If you care to
make your point clear then make a chronology and show that he had made
public statements about leaving Islam prior to his writing of _TSV_. If
he did make such statements then he should have made _that_ clear rather
than trying to rejoin Islam or go on talking about his personal
feelings.


(Robert L. McMillin) rants:

And how did the "free love advocates of the 1960's" manage to perform
this demolition--forced breeding programs or something?

Now let me get this straight.  After a nice, long rant about how
people need to take personal responsibility for their economic and
social lives, all of a sudden 1960's radicals (such as me, I guess)
are responsible for poor people's lifestyles?  Tell me how that
works--or do you think that poor people are just too dumb to think
for themselves?

There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family and
support systems in general among this nation's poor.  Somehow I
don't think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at the top of any
sane person's list.

You want to go after my generation's vaunted cultural revolution for
a lasting change for the worse, try so-called "relevant" or "values"
education.  Hey, it seemed like a good idea at the time.  How were
we to know you needed a real education first--I mean, we took that
for granted.


Hi,

	Being a Electronic Engineering Student with only Electronic II under
my belt, I find myself *needing* to build a moderate wattage Audio Amp. So,
I'll throw out a couple of question for the vast knowledge of the 'net'!

	Please Explain how Watts are calculated in Audio Amp circuits. No,
Not P=I*E, Just how it relates to one of the following:

	Ai [Current Gain]
	Av [Voltage Gain]
	Ap [Power Gain]
	or whatever.

I already have a ?wonderful? cheap I.E <$20 schematic for a 20W amp, but
I would like to Cross/improve the circuit. The problem is that the parts
list has IC1 and IC2 as NEC70001AB amplifiers. They look like ?11 pin?
SIP packages with a heatsink. This schematic was published in a 1991 mag
so it may be non-existant now. Anyway, I tried looking up a replacement in
the latest Digi-key Cat and found it  not listed 8(. The closes I could
figure was a 9 pin SIP as TDA1520BU. Anyone got any Ideas?

	I thought, hey I can rin a PSPICE simulation using 741 opamp
models. Yea, great! It worked. But, I guess the 741 wasn't made for High
power amps. As a result, I got a Voltage gain of ~15mV/V. Worse than
I started with 8(... Does anyone have a PSPICE CKT file with cheap yet
good gain? How about some models for some of the chips listed in this
E-mail? Any ASCII Chip info you guys can send me?

I'm open to Suggestions/Ideas/Comments/Help!
Please E-mail since I have little time to search the News...
And I'll post if there's and interest!
John


The Yammie Deltabox and the Hawk frame are conceptually similar
but Yammie has a TM on the name. The Hawk is a purer 'twin spar'
frame design: investment castings at steering head and swing arm
tied together with aluminum extruded beams. The Yammie solution is
a bit more complex.


If he had a history of such things, why was it not mentioned in the
article, and why did they present the irrelevant detail of where he
got his drinking money from?

I can't say exactly who is at fault here, but from where I sit is
looks like we're seeing the results either of the law going way out
of hand or of shoddy journalism.

If the law wants to attach strings to how you spend a settlement, they
should put the money in trust.  They don't, so I would assume it's
perfectly legitimate to drink it away, though I wouldn't spend it that
way myself.


Does anyone have the NHL STANDINGS for March 28th? I need them IMMEDIATELY
for a project. Please post or email. THANKS.


[...]>
[...]>

If the data isn't there when the warrant comes, you effectively have
secure crypto.  If secret backups are kept...then you effectively have
no crypto.  Thus, this poster is essentialy arguing no crypto is better
than secure crypto.

If the data isn't there when the warrant comes, then the government will
just have to use normal law enforcement techniques to catch crooks.  Is
this so bad?   BTW, bugging isn't YET a normal law enforcement technique.
With the privacy clipper, it WILL become a normal technique.
/Jim


This is a repost of an earlier.  Thanks to several of you for
offering advise on realistic prices.

MAC SE/ 2.5 megs ram, 20 meg hard disk, 800 K Floppy.
In absolutely perfect condition.

Includes Word 5, pagemaker, quark xpress, quicken and the
latest versions of about a dozen other programs.


	Please define "morally straight".

	And, don't even try saying that "straight", as it is used here,
implies only hetersexual behavior. [ eg: "straight" as in the slang word
opposite to "gay" ]

	This is alot like "family values". Everyone is talking about them,
but misteriously, no one knows what they are.
---

        "One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that
        say "Mom", because of the love of their mom.  It makes for more
        virile men."

        Bobby Mozumder  ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu )
        April 4, 1993


 [More stuff deleted]

This seems to be a pretty arogant definition of belief.  My beliefs
are those things which I find to be true based on my experience of the
world.  This experience includes study of things that I may not have
experienced directly.  But even then, I can only understand the
studies to the extent to which I can relate what I study back to what
I have experienced.

Which means that by beliefs about God are directly related to my
experience of God.  Having experienced God, I try to make sense of
that experience.  I study religion and read the Bible.  I find things
that echo what I have already experienced.  Out of this I build my
beliefs.  I also find things that don't match my experience.  That
doesn't make them false.  They just don't match my experience.  Maybe
I will understand that stuff later.  I don't know.  Maybe all of my
beliefs are wrong.  I can change my beliefs.

If someone else has beliefs that are different from mine, so what.
Neither of us are necessarily wrong.  Someone else is making sense out
of a different set of experiences.  Even though we have different
explanations and beliefs, if we talk we might even discover that the
underlying experiences are similar.

Some people approach religion as a truth that can only exist in one
form, and usually has a single revelation.  The more dogmatic and
inflexible the belief system, the more arrogant it will appear to an
outsider.  There is another approach possible, however.  God is a
mystery.  I am trying to solve the mystery, so I look at the evidence
available to me.  I try to arrive at the best understanding that I can
based on the evidence.  New evidence may cause me to change my
understanding.  When I encounter someone with a different belief than
my own, it isn't a threat, it is an opportunity to perhaps discover
something new about this mystery I can never fully comprehend.

Peace
Will Taber
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nobody seems to have noticed that the clipper chip *must* have been
under development for considerably longer than the 3 months that
clinton has been president.  this is not something that choosing
choosing bush over clinton would have changed in the slightest; it has
been in the works for some time.


 No. I do not thing we are doing them a favor.  I have simply stated that
 they are not treated as a second class citizens. That was my point.
 I fail to see how my words show discrimination. And what do you mean that
 they do not get nothing? Is, for example, helth insurance, food, and tuition
 nothing?

 I'm sorry, but I cannot see any logical order in the above argument.

 What part exactly is this one? The people cannot even sell their property
 if they want to leave Turkey.  The patriarch could not get a permision to
 renovate some buildings for decades; it needed a special agreement between
 the two goverments for this. Talk about a part of the society? Why has the
 size of the Greek community reduced to 1,500 old people and priests then?

 Yeah, you bet.

 You are far off from the reality.


Since I was the one responsible for these divergent threads of
approx. 40+ posts (going back to: The Braves could be better off
if an injury happens), I may as well inject a little more
fuel to the flame!

1)  Back at the beginning of Spring Training, I though
Lopez would make the squad easily.  Olson was still
recovering from his late-season injury (knee, I believe),
and there were questions as to whether he would be
able to play before June.  And then Berryhill was dinged up.

I was looking forward to this, because I believe that Lopez
can hit AND field the position.  Before last season, he was
the Braves "Defensive Catcher" prospect, while Brian Deak was
the Braves "Offensive Catcher" prospect.  Besides, Olson
and Berryhill couldn't hit their way out of a wet cardboard
box, and don't walk enough to be useful.

But Olson recovered quickly, Berryhill recovered, and the Braves went
with the two vets.  I still say that if one of those two had been down
at the start of the season, he wouldn't have gotten his job back.

2)  There is a certain logic to keeping Olson and Berryhill around.
After all, ML catchers are in short supply and suffer from wear and
tear.  There are teams out there without ONE average ML catcher
(California and Seattle come to mind).  Certainly, trying to
move Olson or Berryhill through waivers would be unlikely to work.
Plus, you'd have to eat that salary, which isn't huge, but isn't
tiddleywinks either (I think Olson's at about $800,000, Berryhill
at $450,000, but that's only what I recall).

3)  Yes, I think arbitration-eligibility may have a role to
play in this also.  What is it, that 5/6 of the 2+year players
aren't eligible for arbitration?   Only the 1/6 that were on the roster
the longest are eligible?  Of course, the system may change,
but the extent of that change is not yet known.  From a business
standpoint, it may make sense to keep Lopez down until June/the
first time Olson/Berryhill go on the DL.

4)  I am still disappointed that Lopez isn't on the team.
I still prefer to think of myself as a fan when it comes to the Braves,
and the truth is that I'd rather see our best team on the field,
which, IMO, includes Lopez.

Of course,today we play the Cubs.  Hopefully, we won't need him. ;)

As for the Schuerholz/Cox conversation, I imagine it went
like this:  (Remember, they've BOTH been GM's)
(the following is not meant to be read by the humor-impaired)

Cox:  OK, we've sent Jones down.  His fielding could be a
little smoother.  Besides, Blauser can hit OK and his fielding
is better than it used to be.

Schuerholz:  Well, we'll have to send Nieves down too.  Deion
just won't sign that baseball only contract.  We can't count
on him in October, so we have to keep Nixon around for the
defense.  Besides, Gorman's not ready to give up on
Billy Hatcher yet.  Once Hatcher's gone AND Deion signs,
we can move Nixon for Frankie Rodriguez.  That ought to
give us some pitching depth in 1995.

Cox:  Yep, that'll be nice.  Too bad Deion won't sign.
OK, I'll look for Nieves when Justice starts having
Berry-Berry...er, back problems again.  Now, what about
Klesko?

Schuerholz:  Well, we've still got to fork out another 1.5 mil
for Bream.  If we keep Klesko, we either lose the money
or Cabrera.  I keep dangling Sid in front of Dal Maxwell,
but somehow he doesn't seem to be the same GM.  First
Jeffries for Jose, and now Whiten for Clark!  If he
gets rid of Brian Jordan, then I'd HAVE to believe that he
and Whitey Herzog switched bodies at the Winter Meetings!

Cox:  OK, keep trying on Bream, and I'll wait til the trading
deadline for my Hunter/Klesko platoon.  Maybe I can get a few
extra at-bats for Cabrera while we wait.  Try California...
if Snow starts slowly, maybe WhiteyDal will bite on Sid.
And if that doesn't work, then perhaps Sid's knees
could be "persuaded" to act up.  There's always the
15-day DL!  Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!

Schuerholz:  What about Caraballo?

Cox:  Well, he's not that much better than Lemke.  Maybe if he starts
in Richmond, he'll start walking more.  Besides, if he's going to be
arbitration-eligible, better to stretch him out so that we actually
get some value from him before he makes the big bucks.

Schuerholz:  Now, let's see.  That leaves Lopez.

Cox:  NOOOOO!  I gotta keep Lopez!  Sure, I didn't think Olson
would recover this quickly.  Maybe I can talk Caminiti into
running into him again?

Schuerholz:  Nope, Lopez has gotta go.  You know that he'll get
$3 million in arbitration.  May as well put it off that one
extra year.  Besides, until Olson's shown his stuff a little
bit, I can't trade him.  Besides, Berryhill's a left-handed
hitter.  You know how rare that is?

Cox:  Don't you mean a left-handed whiffer?  Pretty common,
if you ask me.  I mean, he made Pat Borders look good in
the World Series.  PAT BORDERS!!!

Schuerholz:  Hey, you're the one who wouldn't write Lopez
into the lineup.

Cox:  Well, you're the one who went out and got me Jeff
Reardon!  Besides, I thought Lopez wouldn't be used
to our pitching staff's stuff.  He got some time with
them this spring...looked pretty good.  Come on, surely
we only need to keep one stiff behind the plate?

Schuerholz:  Yeah, but which stiff?  Whichever one we keep
will be hurt by May.

Cox:  OK, OK, you made your point.  Keep them both.  Surely
one of them will be on the DL by June at the latest.  Then I
can call up Lopez, and then we can win 110 games!  The Pennant!
THE WORLD SERIES!  I'll be up there with John McGraw!  Casey
Stengel!  Earl Weaver!  Oh, they laughed at me in Toronto,
but have you ever had to deal with George Bell?  I'll finally
get my just reward!  Mwa-ha-ha-ha!

Schuerholz:  Easy, Bobby.  Have you been taking those
"happy pills" left around by Chuck Tanner?  Why'd you
ever hire that guy anyhow?

Cox:  Don't ask me; ask Ted.

-------------------------------------------------------
Eric Roush		fierkelab@	bchm.biochem.duke.edu
"I am a Marxist, of the Groucho sort"
Grafitti, Paris, 1968

TANSTAAFL! (although the Internet comes close.)


Hi there netters,

I require a window to appear at a co-ordinates (0,0) (top left corner) of my
screen (root window). Could some windows guru out there help me on how to
go about doing this. I write the whole program which creates the window with
the image it displays - I require the image to appear at the top-left corner
so that I can grab it for recording on to video, using a MIniVas controller,
which expects the window at the same spot every time.

Thanks in advance.

sincerely,

Sanjeev Sharma


TSN Sportsdesk just reported that the OTTAWA SUN has reported that
Montreal will send 4 players + $15 million including Vin Damphousse
and Brian Bellows to Phillidelphia, Phillie will send Eric Lindros
to Ottawa, and Ottawa will give it's first round pick to Montreal.

If this is true, it will most likely depend on whether or not Ottawa
gets to choose 1st overall.  Can Ottawa afford Lindros' salary?

Personally, I can't see Philli giving up Lindros -- for anything.
They didn't give away that much to Quebec just to trade him away
again.  Not to mention that Lindros seems to be a *huge* draw in
Phillie -- and that he represents a successful future for the
franchise.

Ottawa may be better off taking the 4 players +$15 from Montreal
for the pick.


/>
/>I always thought GD's  Fighter plants were in Long Island.
/>
/No, Northrup has a plant on Long Island.

I don't think Northrup ever had a plant on Long Island.  The two main airframe
manufacturers there were (Fairchild)/Republic which closed its doors after the
T-46 cancellation, and Grumman (which is still hanging on last I time I called).
I think Sperry also started there.  If you're ever in the area check out the
Cradle of Aviation Museum at Mitchell field (now mostly parking lots behind the
Nassau Coliseum and the community college).  Good display of vehicles from Long
Island, including a LEM flight article.


[Much text deleted]

: I have heard from several people about less expensive m-f I/O cards
: with 16550s:

: TSD Systems
: (407) 331-9130
: $19.95 for the card, plus $9.95 per 16550.

I can vouch for this one. I ordered it and got it for $34 including
S&H. It took me awhile to figure out how to get it working with my
system, but since I did, I get terrific results while downloading
using PCPlus for Windows. I used to get errors if I started any other
program while downloading at high speed. Not anymore.

[More text deleted]


Yes, there is such a thing as eye dominance, although I am not sure if
this dominance refers to perscription strength.

As i recall, if you selectively close your dominant eye, you will percieve
that the image shifts. This will not happen if you close your other eye.

I believe that which eye is dominant is related to handedness, but I
can't recall the relation at the moment.


ok - sorry about that...i didn't realise he was being sarcastic about
 those sort of things.

but i'll tell you, mike lupica (daily news) usually says some pretty
 funny things in his "shooting from the lip" columns...


And the religious right worships engines, smokestacks, landfills,
and hates people.

What does this name-calling have to do with anything you are claiming about
the truth of environmental disaster?  Nothing that I have read in this
thread, nor heard from anyone I have talked to, would suggest to me that
people fit the definition you give of the religious left.  Come off it, Phil.
A prime motivation for protecting our environment is so that we,
people, can continue to live in it healthily.  We just disagree on what
is necessary to maintaining a healthy environment FOR PEOPLE.

      [Russ's response deleted to save space]

      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What!? They have already repaired that old hulk!!!?  WOW!!! ;-)

I suppose you *mean* the Alaskan shores that were devastated by the
Valdez accident?  I haven't seen the articles.  What do they say exactly?
Has [mostly] all the ocean and shore life returned?  The sands are [mostly]
as clean as they were before?  The microbial samples are [mostly] back to
a normal balance? The fish and fowl populations have [mostly] returned?  What?

[...]

Not a problem?  Would you move to Three Mile Island?  I would imagine
there is some cheap property available!

The naturally occurring catastrophic events [disasters] that destroy
property (ie: hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes) do not usually leave
toxic wastes that prevent people from re-building their lives there.
The man-made disasters (oil spills, toxic dumping, radioactive waste
dispersions) cause death and make an area unliveable far beyond the
initial event.


I just implemented this and it seems I can just about achieve the display
rates (20 400x400x8 frames / sec on IPX) that I get with Sunview, though
it's a bit "choppy" at times. Also, loading the data, making an XImage,
then XPut'ing it into a pixmap is a bit cumbersome, so the animation is
slower to load than with Sunview. Is there a better way to load in the
data?

Shared memory PutImage (also mentioned by nkissebe@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu,
Nick Kisseberth) looks interesting, but I need someone to point me to some
documentation. Is this method likely to give better results than server-
resident pixmaps? I'd also be interested in looking at the XView code
mentioned above...

Thanks for the help so far. If I get something decent put together, I'll
definitely post it to the Net.

-----------------------------------------------------------


I want to go from 512K to 1M VRAM on my Quadra 800.  How many 512K SIMMS do I
need to buy?  Is the current 512K soldered on the board or do I need to take
out the current VRAM before I add more?

Thanks,

Wesley Stuart Jones


It could be one of the leukodystrophies (not adrenal, only
boys get that).  Surely you've been to a university pediatric
neurology department.  If not that is the next step.  Biopsies
might help, especially if peripheral nerves are also affected.
There are so many of these diseases that would fit the symptoms
you gave that more can't be said at this time.

I agree with your surmise that it is an autosomal recessive.
If so, your normal children won't have to worry too much unless
they marry near relatives.  Most recessive genes are rare
except in inbred communities (e.g. Lithuanian Jews).
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Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."


I agree.  Home runs off Clemens are always memorable.  Kinda like
eclipses and hurricanes.  They don't happen very often.


: : Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed
: : for the message he carried. (Which says nothing about the
: : character of the messenger.) I reckon we'll have to find out
: : the rest the hard way.
: :
:
: Koresh was killed because he wanted lots of illegal guns.


I think it was Lewis who said that in a wedding, it's the principals
that marry each other; the church and the state are present merely as
witnesses.

------------------------------------------------------------
Rob Steele                 In coming to understand anything
MIT Lincoln Laboratory    we are rejecting the facts as they
244 Wood St., M-203       are for us in favour of the facts
Lexington, MA  02173      as they are.
617/981-2575                              C.S. Lewis


Since we are talking in theory and opinion, then I'll put in my $.02.
	First, a rebuttle. Personally, I love under-dogs. Unlike
bandwagon jumpers, I abandon teams when they start winning. People that
cheer for winners just because they are winners are insecure people who are
afraid to be associated with something negative.

On this one point, I agree. The reason that people bash WASP's is
because they have been on top for a long time. Whoever is on top is
going to oppress whoever is below them so that they can stay on top.
If Hannibal had pushed on to Rome after his victory at Cannae we might
all be bashing the blacks for oppressing us peacefull white people
for all these centuries. I seriously doubt that if the blacks had
conquered the world that they would have treated their colonies any
better/worse than the whites did.
	The white race did some unspeakable things to the other races of
the world. But they only did what any other conquering race would have done
(ie. Khan). The real question is, should we carry over that blame to the
present generation who didn't participate in the crimes? Would it do
any good? Has it done Bosnia any good? They are fighting wars that stopped
hundreds, even thousands, of years ago.
	My opinion is, if there are inequities now, then let's change
them. But don't blame me for what my ancestors did. It wouldn't settle
anything anyway.

That's where you are dead wrong. You don't join up on a side just because
they are winning. That makes you spineless. Winning, in high school and
after high school, is still the best way to be popular, but it doesn't make
you right. All the best causes in history were loosing causes (with only
a couple exceptions). Winning only makes a difference to other people, not
to yourself. And what good is the opinions of other people if they only care
how you appear (ie. a Winner).

	If you can't beat them, fight them every inch of the way.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"At that moment the bottom fell out of Authur's mind.          Garrett Johnson
 His eyes turned inside out. His feet began to leak out     Garrett@Ingres.com
 of the top of his head. The room folded flat around him,
 spun around, shifted out of existence and left him sliding
 into his own naval." - Douglas Adams


I have $30,000 as my budget.  I'm looking for a sports or GT car.

What do you think would be the best buy?  (I'm looking for specific models)

Thanks,
Danny
--


They are 3D object files for CAD 3D 2.0, a program written by Tom Hudson
for the Atari ST computers.  Don't know much more about them except that
they are stored with the points first, then the surfaces are next, and are
made by listing 3 point numbers that make up the triangle surface. Then
there's a header that describes coloring, lighting, etc.  Don't know much
more than this, hope this helps.


If you're willing to do a little work, you can make DrawnButtons do what you
want, more-or-less. One of my colleagues here at GE CRD has done just that
in our internal LYMB system.

We have a matrix transform class that makes it easy to compute a series of
dial positions from a single set of vectors. Each set of vectors is then
drawn into a pixmap. Clicking the button advances the knob's state and
changes to the next pixmap in the sequence.

Using DrawnButtons obviously still constrains you to taking up a rectangular
portion of the parent widget, but that's normally not a big shortcoming. You
can make things look circular enough.


Jeff,

If you have time to type it in I'd love to have the reference for that
paper!  thanks!

--

kathleen richards   email:  karicha@eis.calstate.edu


A friend of mine is seeing an acupuncturist and
wants to know if there is any danger of getting
AIDS from the needles.

Thanks,


Hey...

I may be wrong, but wasn't Jeff Fenholt part of Black Sabbath?  He's a
MAJOR brother in Christ now.  He totally changed his life around, and
he and his wife go on tours singing, witnessing, and spreading the
gospel for Christ.  I may be wrong about Black Sabbath, but I know he
was in a similar band if it wasn't that particular group...

HOW GREAT IS TH LOVE THE FATHER HAS LAVISHED ON US, THAT WE SHOULD BE
CALLED CHILDREN OF GOD!  AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE!  (1 JOHN 3:1)


In my first posting on this subject I threw out an idea of how to fund
such a contest without delving to deep into the budget.  I mentioned
granting mineral rights to the winner (my actual wording was, "mining
rights.)  Somebody pointed out, quite correctly, that such rights are
not anybody's to grant (although I imagine it would be a fait accompli
situation for the winner.)  So how about this?  Give the winning group
(I can't see one company or corp doing it) a 10, 20, or 50 year
moratorium on taxes.


I ordered an Intrepid ES on Jan 25th and haven't seen it yet.  I called
a couple of weeks ago and was told 2-3 more weeks.  It's probably time
to call again.


Hi there again...
I still have a few tapes left...

As before they are $2.50 each (postage paid).
Multiple orders appreciated, but not necessary...
Package deals welcome...

Thanks...
Chris Bray


Not recommended. Your circuit would take too much current, when
telephone is on-hook. Telephone company does not like it.


Well, I never wrote that I would act as you described.  I stated that I
would not block a would-be passer.  I would not block a would-be passer
"for their own good" or for any reason other than I was prevented from
doing so due to the traffic circumstance.  I fail to see how deterring a
passer under these circumstance would IN ANY WAY decrease YOUR chances
of being involved in an accident, fatal or otherwise.  In fact, I could
imagine how blocking a would-be passer would actually INCREASE your
chances of being "offed" or involved in an accident, especially if
this "passer" is riding your bumper.  Intentionally blocking a person
riding your bumper is certainly NOT a "wise driving practice", it
only causes the jam to become more congested.

I don't mess with trucks and I actually watch the road ahead AND the
road behind!   If I perceive that I am rapidly closing on a "pack"
of vehicles, I try to avoid getting caught up in situation such as you
decribe.  Usually either traffic is just building and I have to deal
with this fact of life, or I wait to a slow passer to complete their
pass and make way for the pack to clear.  If someone decides then to
pull up on my bumper, I signal my intention to move to the right, and
do so at the first opportunity (& hope they will open the jam).  I
feel this is not only courteous driving, but ALOT safer than the
actions you advocate!!!  There are actually many courteous drivers
on the road who do not intentionally impede others.


So after I've flashed my lights at the chap in front and he doesn't
'pass it on' (and few if any do), what next? On major highways, 3 or more
lanes in each direction, keeping to the extreme right blocks folks who
are entering. Also, as someone posted in this thread, here in the D.C.
area we have a few left lane exits (sounds like 66). If you wait until
the last minute to get in the left lane you won't, cause these yoyos
won't make room.

We have a particularly bad strech here in Merryland just over the Cabin
John bridge. There are two very long entry ramps which all the hurry-up
yahoos dive into cause they want to get ahead. When we get to the point
where these ramps merge, all hell breaks lose. The result is that traffic
which was moving at 55 on the VA side of the bridge, stalls on t'other
side. If these dingbats had stayed in lane, allowed the folks coming up
the two ramps to merge, we would still be doing 55. Instead we do start-
stop for 4 miles. Dave Barry's idea of a laser equipped car would be
real useful here.

Bob


[stuff deleted]

Really?  How do you avoid situations which encourage criminals?  I'd
really like to know.  Would you, say, prohibit female college
students from riding their bicycles near the university during the
daytime?

Sounds a bit drastic, doesn't it?  Especially when the university is
locatd in a nice residential area.  A friend of mine was attacked and
nearly raped in just this situation.  The police didn't feel she was
in a situation which 'encouraged criminals'.

What do you think?  Should we just tell her, that it was her fault
for daring to ride a bicycle in the middle of the day?  That she
didn't avoid a situation that encouraged criminals?  If that's the
case, then we'd all better put bars on our doors and windows and
pray for a police state to keep us all safe.  Crime happens in all
situations - there are no defined areas that criminals avoid.


I was under the impression that to obtain fissionable materials (i.e.,
plutonium or reactor/weapons-grade uranium) one was required to obtain
a federal permit to own such materials.

Actually, why bother looking it up?  From the material we covered last
term (in 10 weeks) of Ge/Ch 127 (Nuclear Chemistry), I could *derive*
what it would take to build a bomb.  And as far as the explosive charge,
I (as a chemist) could synthesize a variety of explosives from commonly
available chemicals in the garage if I felt like.  The electronics
behind the detonator and the shaped charges are a little trickier,
however . . . but not impossible using a few "tricks of the trade."
And if I really wanted to be nasty, I could include a core of
hydrogen and deuterium . . .

Of course, the hardest part is getting the fissionable material
to start with, and living long enough to put a bomb together.
(Plutonium has some *nasty* properties . . .)


Since everybody wants to see Pittsburgh players not playing, the
Stanley cup would be devaluated.

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_____________________________________________________

  Iskander AYARI


Not that new.  20 years ago, we had drug addicts harboring active TB
that was resistant to everything (in Chicago).  The difference now
is that such strains have become virulent.  In the old days, such
TB was weak.  It didn't spread to other people very easily and just
infected the one person in whom it developed (because of non-compliance
with medications).  Non-compliance and development of resistant strains
has been a problem for a very long time.  That is why we have like 9
drugs against TB.  There is always a need to develop new ones due to
such strains.  Now, however, with a virulent resistant strain, we
are in more trouble, and measures to assure compliance may be necessary
even if they entail force.

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Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."


Any reason you are limited to the two mentioned? They aren't really at
the same point along the SUV spectrum - not to mention price range.
How about the Explorer, Trooper, Blazer, Montero, and if the budget
allows, the Land Cruiser?
Bear in mind that 90% of all SUV's purchased never venture off-road.
Carefully weigh the trade-off between comfort and off-road performance
when choosing one, and realistically decide whether you'll actually
make enough use of the off-road-ability to sacrifice (some of) the
on-road comfort.

John


Also remember that most people map the
sanguine/choleric/melencholic/phlegmatic division onto the extraversion
and neuroticism dimensions (Like Eysenck) and that the MBTI does not
deal with neuroticism (Costa & McCrae).


The average amerikan today seems to think that the government should be
able to eavesdrop on everyone (else).  Opinion polls show that most
people belive the Bill of Rights to grant too much freedom to people,
when it is not identified as such (BTW, if anyone knows of a cite for that,
I'd love to have it).  Not only does this mean that these people are
willing to give up everyone (else's) rights, they don't even know what
the Bill of Rights actually says.

How can we show the average person (not the average USENET reader) that
people are actually entitiled to these rights?  So many people don't
care if the government is taking more and more control of us all, a little
at a time.


Hi,

	I have a Quantum ProDrive LPS 40 MB SCSI hard drive for sale.
	It came with my MacIIsi and was replaced by a larger hard drive.
	In great working condition. Fast and quiet. Never had a problem.

	Asking $100+COD shipping or reasonable offer.

	Also for sale with the drive:

	Brand new mounting bracket for MacII or MacSE. It also includes
	SCSI data and power cable. $10 with the HD.

	Please reply with email or call (217)337-5710 and leave message.

	Thanks.

Ding-Kai Chen
dcg6759@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu


Dear Mr. Davidsson,


try finding a friend that has caller id, then give him a call...

jb

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   From: alee@ecs.umass.edu
   Newsgroups: sci.electronics
   Date: 18 Apr 93 15:04:10 GMT
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   Greetings!

	   Situation:  I have a phone jack mounted on a wall.  I don't
		       know the number of the line.  And I don't want
		       to call up the operator to place a trace on it.

	   Question:   Is there a certain device out there that I can
		       use to find out the number to the line?
	   Thanks for any response.
						       Al

--


Following precedent in other areas, the government is likely to put a tax on
encryption technology.  Once the tax is imposed, it becomes a federal matter
and suspicision of an unlicensed cryptographic tool will bring the BATF or
FBI tossing grenades into your house.  (The BATF appears to be the logical
agency to enforce such regulations: federal control over alocohol, tobacco,
and firearms is similary based on taxes.)

Look at the FCC: they won't allow sale of any receiever that can receive
bands that are supposed to be private.  This has nothing to do with any
desire to prevent harmful interference. If the government can make a radio
receiver illegal what makes you think they won't claim the right to control
encryption?


Hi netters,

I'm using sliders in my XView apps, usually with editable numeric
field. But I seem to have no control over the length of this field.
In some apps it appears long enough to keep several characters,
in some - it cannot keep even the maximum value set by
PANEL_MAX_VALUE!

As I understand, PANEL_VALUE_DISPLAY_LENGTH, which controls
number of characters to be displayed in text items, doesn't
work in the case of slider, despite the fact that <panel.h>
contains the following bit:

	/* Panel_multiline_text_item, Panel_numeric_text_item,
	 * Panel_slider_item and Panel_text_item attributes
	 */
	PANEL_NOTIFY_LEVEL	= PANEL_ATTR(ATTR_ENUM,			 152),
	PANEL_VALUE_DISPLAY_LENGTH	= PANEL_ATTR(ATTR_INT,		 182),

which gives a hint that this attribute can be used for sliders.
But 1) setting this attribute gives nothing, and 2) xv_get'ting
this attribute gives warning: Bad attribute, and return value 0.

Can someone share his experience in managing sliders in XView with me,
and clear this problem?

Any help is very much appreciated.

Yuri


OK...I've heard rumors about this...I might have even seen it in a few places.
And I'd like some info...Is it possible to embed fonts in a document (Like
Write, Word, or Ami Pro?) so the file can be printed on another machine that
doesn't have the font?  If possible, how is it done?

I'm sorry if this is a faq...I couldn't find a faq list...I would also
apreciate knowing where that is...if a windows faq exsists.

Thanks in advance


Absolutely. I'm sure that civilians on both sides would be pleased
if the fighters (military, guerilla, whatever) would just take their
argument elsewhere, find an unpopulated area somewhere, and slug it out.
At that point, we will all breath a sigh of relief *and* cheer for
our side in the struggle.


That's me....

Ok, I realize I have to get the font files from some ftp site.  I found them
at cica but I now have another question.....

Are the 24*.zip fonts compatible with gswin252??


We're probably stuck, as Mike Burger pointed out that the baseball
deal was made far in advance of the NHL contract.  WABC did the same
thing; they were thankful that the Devils were wiped out by 9:30,
because they had to switch over to Yankees baseball.  The proof of
the reasons for this is left to the reader ...

It's too bad, but I wonder if ESPN is stuck with other US local team
coverage for their alternate games?  We got NESN's coverage of the
Bruins-Sabres with the Boston homers ... they were awful!!!  I've read
that Derek Sanderson is the colour analyst ... I wonder if he spent
his early years after hockey as an intern at PRAVDA before landing
this job?  *Everything* had to be twisted into something good to say
about the Bruin(s) involved ... not even Bill Wirtz's shills on SC
Chicago (Pat Foley, Dale Tallon) were this bad.  And just to be fair,
SC used to take their feed from ESN (Empire Sports Network), the Sabre
homers and they were horrible too ... but they were spacy.

From the CNN highlights, I hear Chris Cuthbert's voice from the CBC
coverage of the Habs-Nords series.  Too bad that we couldn't get it
on ESPN, with all due respect to the Sabres and the Bruins.

Mike Emrick is substituting on the Devils SCNY team for Gary Thorne.
Mike was the original Devils TV play-by-play announcer, by the way.

gld


Help !! - I'm looking for a ISA driver card and driver software for a
Logical Devices Husky programmer (It aint mush good without these)
can anyone help with either of these items ?
cheers
Mike.


	Other people have commented on most of this swill, I figured
I'd add a few comments of my own.

	Hong Kong, and Cairo both have higher population densities.

	There is no fundamental right to work in another country.  And
the closing of the strip is not a punishment, it is a security measure
to stop people from stabbing Israelis.

	Dozens minus one, since one of them was stabbed to death a few
days ago.

	Adam

Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu


The complete set of the adventures of Buck Rogers is forsale. Make a
REASONABLE offer. Email me back if interested. Thanks.


I think we agree on much.  However the paragraphs above seem to repeat
uncritically the standard Kuhn/Lakatos/Feyerabend view of "progress" and
"rationality" in science.  Since I've addressed these issues in this
newsgroup in the not too distant past, I won't go into them again now.

What is wrong with the above observation is that it explicitly gives the
impression (and you may not in fact hold this view) that the common (perhaps
even the "correct") approach for a scientist to follow is to sit around
having flights of fancy and scheming on the basis of his jealousies and
petty hatreds.  It further at least implicitly advances the position that
sciences goes "forward" (and it is not clear what this means given the
context in which it occurs) by generating in a completely non-rational
and even random way a plethora of hypotheses and theories that are then
weeded out via the "critical function" of science.  (Though why this critical
function should be less subject to the non-rational forces is a mystery.
If experimental design, hypotheses creation, and theory construction are
subject to jealousies and petty hatreds, then this must be equally true
of the application of any "critical function" concerning replication.
This is what leads one (ala Feyerabend) to an "anything goes" view.)

True, the generation part *can* be totally irrational.  But typically it is
*not*.  Anecdotes concerning instances where a hypothesis seems to have
resulted in some way from a dream or from one's political views simply
do not generalize well to the actual history of science.


Their should be no difference in the drive itself between IBM-PC and Mac.
The two main differences are the formatting of the disk itself (but with
the correct software each can read the others) and maybe the cable
(depends on your SCSI board on IBM-PC).

If you get some Mac softawre to allow mounting of ANY IBM-formatted disk
and the correct cable you should br able to mount and read your IBM-PC
syquest.

good luck,

--Paul

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Too bad they didn't  give him a tour of the CGRO data?

I think he'd be fascinated by the Gamma ray bursters.  The mind of
hawking might even propose a mechanism.

SO what's a drag free satellite?   coated with WD-40?  carries an
aluminum-gold  set of grateful dead albums?   inquiring minds
want to know?

And why would MO  carry any features for being drag free?  I thought
aero-braking was a possible MO  experimental activity?


I know from personal experience that men CAN get yeast infections. I
get rather nasty ones from time to time, mostly in the area of the
scrotum and the base of the penis. They're nowhere near as dangerous
for me as for many women, but goddamn does it hurt in the summertime!
Even in the wintertime, when I sweat I get really uncomfy down there. The
best thing I can do to keep it under control is keep my weight down and
keep cool down there. Shorts in 60 degree weather, that kind of thing. And
of course some occasional sun.


Gosh, Jesse is that famous now?  He was my intern.  Landau not liking
it makes me like it out of spite.  (Just kidding, Bill).

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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."


I don't feel that I'm preaching. I'm just trying to answer people's
questions and talking about my religion, my beliefs.
When it comes to what I post, I don't do it with the intent of converting
anyone.  I don't expect for the atheists in this newsgroup to take what I
say with a grain of salt if they so wish.
I just state what I beleve, they ask me how I believeit and why and we all
go on.
If that's preaching, then I'm soory and I'll get off the soapbox.


    Just observed at the National Model United Nations here in NYC.
    Just one word on it : AWSOME.
                                 Peace, matt


There is a mini-epidemic of Coccidiodes that is occurring in,
I believe, the Owen's Valley/ Bishop area east of the Sierras.
I don't believe there has been any great insight into the
increased incidence in that area. There is a low-level
of endemic infection in that region. Many people with
evidence of past exposure to the organism did not have
serious disease.


Actually, old video games and pinball machines are supposed to work pretty
good (at blocking EM eavesdropping), too.  Those things put out a LOT of EM
noise.  Back in the 80's, I read about computer companies putting bunches
of games in their buildings for just this purpose (not to mention the $$$).


    The joystick reads in anolog values through a digital port. How?
    You send a command to the port to read it, then you time how long
    it takes for the joystick port to set a certain bit.  This time
    is proportional to the joystick position.  Obviously, since time
    is used as a position, you cannot get rid of this ridiculus waste
    of time.  If you wrote your own routine instead of the BIOS, it
    would speed it up some, but the time would still be there.

--


Are you sure that he needs a two way converter? If he wants only
RS232->TTL I would suggest the MC1489, its very cheap (0.80 DM in
Germany). This chip needs only +5V. The MC1488 TTL->RS232-Converter
uses +12V and -12V.

BTW... The MAX232 and compatibles seem to be expensive in the USA...
I paid 2.95 DM for a ITS80272 (made by Harris), its absolutely
compatible with the MAX232 or the ICL232.

Gerrit


   > Why Paul, it's obvious.
   > Once chlorine chemistry has been banned on Earth,
   > as is being advocated by some groups, Ti prices will

   > :-) :-) :-)

   Well, there already is a sulfate process for TiO2 purification.  The
   chlorine process is cleaner, however, and for that reason is achieving
   dominance in the marketplace.

Darn, caught by the white hot heat of technological progress again...

   Most Ti is used in pigment, btw (as the oxide), where it replaced
   white lead pigment some decades ago.  Very little is reduced to the
   metal.

Spoilsport. Hence the need for increasing fashion
emphasis on anodise Ti jewelry...

   > Seriously, I'd say there is a flaw in Gary's analysis
   > in that he assumes an export oriented economy, maybe
   > the lunatics will just want some native Ti for local
   > use...

   Which merely evades the issue of why those lunatics are
   there at all (and, why their children would want to stay.)

I did not evade the issue at all. I clearly stated that
this would be from diabolical foresight in establishing
a sheltered industrial base for the upcoming Great War ;-)
Very cost effective if you use the right accounting method :-)


Thanks to all those people who recommended Workspace managers for
Windows 3.1.  I found 3 shareware Workspace Managers, from Australia's
MS-WINDOWS archive (monu6.cc.monash.edu.au), which mirrors some
sites in the U.S.  The three I found were:

1. WORKSPACES 1.10 (wspace.zip)
                                This was the smallest and simplest
   of the workspace managers that I found.  It is very easy to use.
   It displays a small window, containing 6 buttons, plus an extra
   button for configuration purposes.  One annoying feature was the
   title window that is first presented when it is run - you must press
   a key (not a mouse button!) for the thing to go away.  Also, it would
   have been nice if there was an "ALWAYS ON TOP" setting for the little
   window containing the workspace buttons.  Maybe some user-specified
   strings on the buttons instead of the numbers one to six might be
   a nice feature.  The simplicity and ease of use of this workspace
   manager makes it an attractive package.

2. WORKSHIFT 1.6 (wrksft16.zip)
                               While this workspace manager offered a
   few features that WORKSPACES 1.10 lacked, it was quite time consuming
   to set things up.  With WORKSPACES 1.10, all but the first workspace
   is initially empty.  With WORKSHIFT 1.6, you need to take "snapshots"
   of how you want each of your workspaces to look like - i.e. what
   applications they contain.  Also, the main window is quite large,
   but this does allow you to have a small view of what is in each workspace.
   With WORKSPACES 1.10, there was no facility for viewing what was in
   a workspace without switching to it.  WORKSHIFT 1.6 provides this
   viewing functionality which is quite useful.

3. BIGDESK 2.30 and BACKMENU (backdesk.zip)
                            This is an interesting package, which contains
   a few other goodies as well as a workspace manager.  Other goodies
   include "Backmenu", which provides a pop-up root menu when you
   press a certain mouse button - just like in X-Windows.  The menu
   is totally configurable, offering unlimited depth of cascading menus,
   which is provides quite handy access to applications.  You could
   say it is a menu-based alternative to the program manager.  Also
   bundled in "backdesk.zip" is a program called "WRUN", which allows
   you to run windows applications from a DOS shell under WINDOWS
   instead of using the File Manager to run applications.
   The actual workspace manager is called BIGDESK 2.30.  BIGDESK works quite
   differently to the other two workspace managers in that it
   doesn't provide a certain number of disjoint and separate workspaces.
   In fact, it basically enlarges your desktop by a configurable amount,
   and you choose which region of the desktop you want your screen to
   focus in on.  This means you can have windows overlapping between different
   viewing regions, unlike the first two workspace managers in which
   each workspace was isolated from the other one.  The BIGDESK control window
   allows to to move windows around your enlarged desktop.  Basically
   the control window provides a small scale view of your viewing area
   while your actual computer screen provides a large scale or blow-up
   of a particular section.


I took an alcohol server's class a few years ago.  (What the hey- my employer
paid for it...)

We were told that the 1 drink / hour rule was written with 80 proof booze
and a 195 pound person in mind.  Drinking Cuervo Gold, weighing in @ 140,
I obviously will get drunk faster than the theoretical person mentioned
above.  Worse, imagine Rum & coke made with Bacardi 151...

Mind you all, that's for getting too drunk to drive a car.  I may only
have been riding for a month or so, but I plan my evenings with a very
rigid exclusive or statement: Either don't drink, or don't ride.
Pretty simple.

Sorry, mike, I have to believe that that policy works best as fertilizer,
even if all you plan to do is drive home nice and "safe" in your cage...


Has anyone here dealt with Tangent?  I'm looking at an 486 system
 they have that has an EISA backplane with a VESA slot for video.
 The SCSI contoller they use is made by Aorta.  I've never heard
 of this brand.  Can anyone comment on Tangent or the controller?


Why doing it in such a rough manner? It is much more professional to
steal the chip from the phone and even to replace it with a
pin-compatible do-nothing chip that does not encrypt at all. Chances
are that the victim will not notice anything, especially if it is done
professionally.

No, because the Feds will still be able to decrypt the conversations.
True, they'll blame the wrong guys, but nevertheless one cannot say
something like "The drugs arrive tommorrow on the ship 'Terminus'"
when the Feds are listening, even if they cannot identify who the
speaker is.

No, the criminals will just use some secure encryption. The new
proposal does not stop criminals; it ensures that the government will
be able to wiretap the average citizen and stops the casual snooper.
To me, it also clearly looks as a step towards outlawing any other
strong encryption devices.

Regards,
Vesselin


Was that post for real? I thought it was a late April Fool joke. Some of it
seemed a bit over the top even by McElwaine/Abian/etc standards :-)


Sorry, but I saw a survey somewhere that showed that America's favorite
team is the Damn Yankees. So much for the underdogs being loved.


the blood of the lamb.

This will be a hard task, because most cultures used most animals
for blood sacrifices. It has to be something related to our current
post-modernism state. Hmm, what about used computers?

Cheers,
Kent


.
.
.

ESPN had the Houston Astros @ Chicago Cubs game scheduled for last night on the
west coast.

Since the game was rained out, they showed the Toronto Maple Leafs at the
Detroit Red Wings game instead.


: Please don't ask questions like "why don't you buy a soundblaster".  The
: answer is simple "Overpriced considering the sound quality".


Yes, but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot.

all they have to do is reach underneath, turn a valve, and forget the trip
home.
But there is less likelyhood they have a wrench with them.

I personally recommend, installing a 'special' locking drain plug to keep
vandals away. :---)


I am running Windows 3.1, Windows for Work Groups and just loaded Dos 6.

What`s happening appears as a graphics problem with File Manager.  I've
added some menubar buttons but there appears to be a gray boxed region
that covers the top 2/3'rds of the button row.

These buttons are in a row below the pulldown menus.  the pulldown menus
look fine, and the disk label region looks fine, but you only see the bottom
few pixels of the task buttons.

Anyone else experience this?

Thanks.


First of all, thanks to those of you who responded, both here and via e-mail.
The tips didn't pan out, but it was good hearing from you.

Now, following up to my earlier post:
[...]
: Disk controller:  Acculogic sIDE-3 2 hard/2 floppy IDE controller
:   Jumpers:  All defaulted (shown as *):
:     Normal IRQ*/delayed IRQ     Primary*/secondary floppy address
:     Single*/dual speed floppy   Primary*/secondary IDE address
:     Precomp = 125ns*/187 ns     IOCHRDY not driven*/IDE drive controls IOCHRDY
[...]
: Other cards:  (didn't check brand) 2 Serial/1 Parallel adapter
: 	      Logitech Bus Mouse adapter
: 	      Roland MPU-401-compatible MIDI interface
: 		Configured with default IRQ 2, mem address 0330

I opened up the box and removed all the "other cards" above.  No help there.
Then, not having anything better to try, I changed Normal IRQ to Delayed
IRQ on the disk controller (didn't make any difference) and IOCHRDY_not_
driven to IDE_drive_controls_IOCHRDY (also had no effect).  So I put
everything back to the way it was and re-installed the cards.

I then unplugged the floppy drive cable from the disk controller.  Voila!,
the PC booted from power up, although it seemed to take several seconds
before the first access to the hard disk.  Plug the floppy cable back
to the controller and the original (non-boot) behavior returns.

O.K., with this additional information, does anyone in netland have any
words of wisdom for what's going on and how I should deal with it?