  I had the same problem.  At first, I thought it was the video driver and
  made sure I had the most current drivers, because the problem was most
  evident at SVGA resolution modes.  It didn't help and after a bit of
  experimentation, determined that the problem existed in standard VGA
  resolution mode. It was just much less noticeable.

  My mouse was an older MS serial version I bought second hand in 1990. It
  worked just fine in DOS and DOS based graphic applications.  On the
  guess that the problem was with the resolution of the mouse, I borrowed
  a new mouse (a MS bus model) and tried it.  That solved the problem.
  So, if your mouse is old, you may want to try replacing it for a newer
  one.

--
signoff


What are the current products available to upgrade the resolution?
Which ones support postscript?

Any experiences with them, either good or bad?

Is the quality difference really noticable?


Hello fellow humans, and other net creatures...

If you're at all interested in this merchandise, please e-mail me:
djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

I'm compacting my system and moving to a single monitor system, so I have
two monitors and cards for sale. Nothing at all is wrong with these pieces,
I'm just wanting to conserve desk space, and get all of my info from one
screen.

I'd prefer to sell to people near Austin and surrounding areas (within
driving distance - like an hour away perhaps), but I CAN ship to you if you
don't live near here. Only problem is that I didn't keep the original boxes
for the monitors, but I'm confident that my few months of full-time service
in the shipping room will enable me to safely package the monitors and
flip it in your direction.

Details:

Mirror Full Page Display (monochrome) w/nubus card:
---------------------------------------------------

**SOLD**

Sony 1304 14" color monitor:
----------------------------
What's to say? It got top ratings in last year's MacUser report. It's a SONY,
Trinitron, arguably the best (but I'd rather not argue that point).
It's a great monitor, in great shape, but I'm going to a bigger screen,
and although I'd like to keep it, finances don't justify it.

Still selling for $599 at MacLand (where I bought it originally - not
including shipping), will sell for **$475** (plus shipping). Again, make an
offer if that sounds unreasonable.

RasterOps 24si (24-bit accelerated, hardware zoom/pan, 4 meg RAM):
------------------------------------------------------------------
Renamed the 24sx a few months after I bought it, this board is for 13"
monitors, providing **accelerated 24-bit**, hardware zoom/pan, NTSC mode
(you can plug it into something like the RasterOps Video Expander and output
NTSC), and 4 RAM slots that use 1 meg or 4 meg SIMMS for GWorld RAM, or a
RAM disk. Software included for such functions. 4 meg of RAM included (1 meg
SIMMS).

Selling for $605 at Bottom Line (without the RAM - add $100), I'm asking
**$525** (shipping included this time, it's just a card). Original box and
packaging. I'd actually prefer to sell the Sony monitor and this card
together, so if you want both, drop me e-mail and make a "bundled offer"
for these items.

------------

Cheers.

dan keldsen - djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu


Before I try to teach myself how to write a widget and (perhaps)
re-invent the wheel...

Is there a PD widget that displays (for example) an 8-bit grey-level
image in the same fashion that the Athena Plotter Widget can be used
to display a plot?


How does one read the betting spreads for baseball?  They tend to be something
like 8-9 which means it must not be runs!

Thanks.
--
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David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder


Y'know, if current trends continue, the Florida Marlins will be the first
expansion team to go 162-0 and outscore their opponents by 486 runs.


We might get further if we begin by accepting that the government
really couldn't be bothered less about the political opinions of the
right wing pro establishment types. Just about the only circumstances
in which I could think that they would be interested in their political
views would be to recruit them as spooks. They can be guaranteed to give
the government line when it counts. In US history it has been the
socialists such as myself who have been persecuted.

Now before people start asserting that there is no mechanism by which
the administration can get their new chip adopted without legal force
lets try thinking.

In the first place the clipper chip must have existed for several years as
a defense project. Therefore this is not a party matter at all. George Bush
was in any case hardly adverse to tapping calls, he was chief spook
remember.

Secondly the govt can quite easily apply pressure. They simply "ask" their
chums who they give huge defense contracts to (motorola etc) to be "nice"
boys. After all Bill is giving them a nice little trade monopoly since the
chips won't be avaliable to foreign firms.

Thirdly the people who consider the Democrats to be socialist are not the
same as the ones who consider socialists to be communist. People might know
this if the US education system did not suffer from the Mcarthyite and
Dewy version of political correctness - the sort with tribunals and show
trials. Ever seen Ed Meese pissed? I have, it was when he said that socialism
and communism were the same thing and brought the house down with laughter.
It took several minutes before we realised that he was serious.

Phill Hallam-Baker


I'll post a summary after I get enough information.  I'll include
tips like "how to know when the monkey is pulling your leg".  Shouldn't
monkey's have to be bonded and insured before they work on bikes?

Jack Waters II
DoD#1919


Concurrent has a product called RealTimeX (tm) that is a set of real-time
extensions to the X Window System.  RealTimeX is currently supported on
the Concurrent Series 7000 and Series 8000 with the GA5000 graphics
accelerator.  If you need/want more info, let me know.

		- sam black

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		     __________
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	  Concurrent /_________/
	Computer Corporation


Where did you hear this?  If it is printed in a book somewhere,
throw away the book.  According to the MIT specs, only the first
2 are true.


Hello,

	Who can tell me   Where can I find the PD or ShareWare
Which can CAPTURE windows 3.1's output of printer mananger?

	I want to capture the output of HP Laser Jet III.

	Though the PostScript can setup to print to file,but HP can't.

	I try DOS's redirect program,but they can't work in Windows 3.1

		Thankx for any help....

--
 Internet Address: u7911093@cc.nctu.edu.tw

    English Name: Erik Wang
    Chinese Name: Wang Jyh-Shyang


Before I begin lambasting Don Cherry, let me first say that I've been sort of
a Cherry fan for a while...admittedly stuff he says has to be taken lightly,
but he's more-or-less harmless.  On Saturday, however, he crossed the lines of
good taste:

This is the best he can do?!!  Gee Don, tremendous amounts of professionalism
here.  The CBC looks just as bad as he looks foolish letting him get away with
this nonsense...making fun of names??  It's bad enough that he makes asinine
blanket statements about European players, but he's now resorted to making fun
of their names too?  He sounded like an idiot, much like he did last week
when he said that Teemu would never make it to his 'Rock 'em, Sock 'em' video
until he dropped the gloves...

Well, what he _said_ was that even though he's been around the league for quite
some time, he still doesn't know who's where w.r.t. conference and division
names.  HELLO??!! McFly??  The names have been around for a couple of decades
or so....he also invited the audience to "Name the teams in the Wales...quick,
quick!" Followed by "Ah, you don't know, I don't know...."

Sorry Don.  Wrong on this one.

This was absolutely hilarious.

Don's argument about the basketball and baseball brawls was fairly
good...unfortunately he neglected to mention the fines that were levelled in
the NBA case.  Serious money...oh well, he's never been one for objectivity,
has he?

Don's question to Gretzky:


One of the local dealers has a used (7k miles) '93 Probe GT
on the lot with a photocopy of a document taped to the
window saying the dealership bought the car back from
the previous owner because of "Engine noises", but that
the Ford district rep had OK'ed the car saying those
noises were "normal".  I thought it was worth looking
into (the car seems otherwise clean) and mentioned this
to a co-worker, who proceeded to tell me a horror story
about her son's '93 Probe GT, which had several problems,
ending with engine noises which she said "was something
with the heads", that Ford acknowledged the noise, said
they were working on it, but didn't have a cure as of
yet.  Her son traded the car in (and I checked -- not
the same car).  So I have some evidence of a reoccuring
problem with the V6 in the Probe GT's, and by extension
with the Madza 626 and MX-6.


Because SCSI works well with removable media, and works well with large
capacity devices. The floppy interface you suggest handles the former, but
it doesn't have any hooks for dealing with the latter... you'd have to kludge
it. Plus, it's extremely low performance. AND, SCSI has gobs of room for
expansion compared with a floppy (I can just see it, let's stick a 5.25",
a 3.5", a tape drive, and a MO drive, all on the floppy interface. The
possibilities for unexpected collisions are enormous).


Arab leaders are now following by Islamic rules?  (Or is it only applicable
in cases like this?)  :-

I remember an article of about a year ago which stated that besides his wife,
Saddam also has a mistress.  Assad's brother has a wife and *several*
mistresses, and those 'emirs' in the Gulf have, within their lifetimes,
wives in the double digitas (only they manage to keep four at a time).

This is all irrelevant.  It takes a *lot* more than infidelity to make these
leaders ruthless and corrupt.  Maybe Netanyahu thought he could 'cleanse'
himself by making such a public confession.  Does the average secular Israeli
care, though?  The Mossad probably applauded him.  :-)


This brings up a question I asked myself (no answer) when it was mentionned
that the NHL could expand in Europe.

Would most of the North-americans now playing in the NHL be willing
to play for a team in Europe?

I do not think that the majority of hockey players are necessarily
interested in expanding their cultural experience to that level.
(I know I would but I am not a pro hockey player)

When one recalls some players remarks in the last few years it makes
me wonder how a European expansion could be achieved.  Remember these:

- Lindros did not want to play in Quebec (for more than $ reasons)
- Nicholls ... in Edmonton.
- R. Courtnall wanted to be traded to LA only.
- C. Lemieux said he would refuse to go to Edmonton earlier this year.

I know there are many non-cultural reasons behind these but there is more:

- Some american players who played for the Expos complained about the french
  fact and that the city was not quite like the other US cities.  One
  players' wife trying to make her point went on to complain that she could
  not even find her favorite brand of nacho chips in Montreal.

Anybody knows what happened when all these US football players moved
to London, Spain, etc .. for the one year of that new football league
(2 years ago?)

I wonder what the players association thinks about going to Europe.

Myself I would like to see some European teams, but what would be
the best way to do it?


Hi netters!
	I'm looking for books that showing how to fix your own hardware problem.
	Please let me know if you have any books in mind.  Thanks.


I have used both version 1.17 drivers for Win 3.1 and the new 2.03 drivers.
I have had none of these problems.  No GPF's at all.  I have a feeling that
your problems are not with the card or drivers.  The ATI Ultra drivers are
considered some of the most reliable on the market, and the SS 24X ones
seem quite good as well.  Maybe you should check BIOS problems in your
Gateway.  I know a few people with Gateway DX2's, and all of them have
found some problem or other with compatibility -- especially with graphics.

The only GPF's I have ever had can be directly attributable to using/
abusing applications.  I even got the newest drivers from Diamond when
people started complaining.  I still only have one small problem with
them, and it is that the hardware cursor is slightly jumpy during writes/
reads to the swap file.


I recall reading that the Mac LC (and presumably the LC II & III) can use stand
ard VGA monitors, with appropriate cable adapters.  I am uncertain of this sinc
e I have asked other people who say this is not so.  So can all vga monitors be
 used on the Mac LC?  What are the specs needed for a PC monitor to work with a
Mac LC (horizontal nad vertical frequencies)?


This is an excellent question and I'll be anxious to see if there are
any such cases.  I doubt it.  In the medieval period (esp. 10th-cent.
when Aquinas flourished) argument was a useful tool because everyone
"knew the rules."  Today, when you can't count on people knowing even
the basics of logic or seeing through rhetoric, a good argument is
often indistinguishable from a poor one.

Sorry; just one of my perennial gripes...<:->

Ken


Of course a run scored is just as important as a run prevented.
Just as a penny saved is a penny earned.  Enough with the cliches.
My point is that IF the Braves starters are able to live up to
their potential, they won't need much offensive support.
I realize this is a BIG IF.  This staff leaves the '92 BoSox in the dust.
There is no legitimate comparison.  Two Cy Young winners, and three other
pitchers that most any team in the league would kill to have as their first
or second starter.  It seems to me that when quality pitchers take the
mound, the other teams score less runs.  The team that scores the most
runs wins.  This puts the team with the better pitching at the advantage
(providing they can stop the opposing team from scoring runs).  A low
scoring game would clearly benefit the Braves.  They should have many
low scoring games due to their excellent pitching and below average hitting.
On the flip side, if you had a starting lineup of great offensive players,
I would be arguing that this team would not need great pitchers.
They would have an advantage because they could simply outscore their
opponent.  The name of the games is to win.  Even Ray Knight knows that
you do this by putting more runs up on the scoreboard.
All I'm trying to say is that if you assemble the quality pitchers
like the Braves have, the offense doesn't need to be as strong.


ITEM: Klipsch Forte 2 Speakers
CONDITION: Mint
AGE: 6 months old

PRICE: $1000/pair (retail: $1400/pair)


How long has Don Cherry been a student at SFU? (or is that Arche Bunker?)

Please, keep this racist drivel off of the net.  You're an embarassment
to Canadians everywhere.


This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to
a "psychological norm" that may not actually apply to a particular dog.
I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson
dog or one that's really, *really* stupid.  A large Irish Setter taught me
this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day.  I'm sure he was playing
a game with me.  The game was probably "Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor" Before
He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.


The Continental may have been the first "modern era" auto to mount the
spare on the rear of the car but it was hardly the first car to sport one.
Various mounting techniques for rear mounting the spare were quite common
in early automobiles, both US and Foreign.


And anybody who can get the keys from the escrow company.  This is a
database that's going to take plenty of updating - they think they can
keep it secure?  Please...  and that's just primary, not secondary
sources, such as police using the key under a warrant.  Would anyone
be surprised if they just "neglected" to erase the key if it turned
out they couldn't nail you on anything?


Messier was not invited due to his nagging injuries.  While the press
made an issue of it, and attempted to link it to the Rangers' internal
political woes, Mike Keenan repeated that to Messier personally during
the MSG press conference.  It makes sense ... Messier would probably
have not declined the invitation if it were made for publicity ...

gld


in this regard that permission to export >>> PKZIP's encryption scheme
has twice been denied by NSA.  Draw you own >>> conclusions.

PKWare >>has obtained a license to export their program to the whole
world, >>except a very limited list of countries...  Draw your own
conclusions >>about the strength of the algorithm...  :-)

Sorry if I was less than clear.  :-) I was referring to our own efforts
to receive export permission from NSA for the PKZIP encryption
algorithm, not to any effort on the part of Phil Katz or PKWare.

I should point out that the original version of this algorithm was
designed by Roger Schlafly and that WE (meaning Roger and myself) were
twice denied an export license for it.  The second go 'round was just
this past fall.

I had no knowledge of Phil's attempts in this.  I do not even *know* for
sure if he choose to implement the algorithm as it was designed by
Roger, though I *believe* that was at least the case for versions prior
to 2.0.  And then there's the question of key management.  :-)

And even if our applications were identical, there is no reason to
assume the NSA would treat them that way.  :-)

-mjm


Organization: "A World of Information at your Fingertips"
Keywords:

Craig,

You should still consider the Targa+. I run windows 3.1 on it all the
time at work and it works fine. I think all you need is the right
driver.


KDKA has first rights to Pirates games, and will split probably 50-50
in conflicts; for Penguins games which are preempted, check out
102.5 WDVE FM (that's right, DVE).  It is also 50,000 watts.


There is no law prohibiting having biological weapons or nerve gas
on his/her property, or even walking on government property with such
items: ipso facto it is now one's _RIGHT_ to have such weapons of
"mass destruction."

Hell, the U.S. patent office has patents on the manufacture of nerve
gas that anyone can obtain simply by sending a $1.50 to the Patent
Office in Washington, D.C. (P.O. Box 8). These same patents are
verboten to English citizens from their own patent office, which doesn't
surprise me based on the mistrust of the UK government against private
ownership of semi-automatic rifles.


A brilliant algorithm.  *NOT*

Seriously - it's correct, up to a sign change.  The flaw is obvious, and
will therefore not be shown.

sorry about that.


It is really annoying to see all of these
predictions on the Net.  Who really cares
who you think will win?  Please stop with
the predictions, we all know the Caps are
going to win the Cup, so let it go at that.


Hey tough guy, freedom necessitates responsibility, and
no freedom is absolute.
BTW, to anyone who defends Arafat, read on:

"Open fire on the new Jewish immigrants, be they from the Soviet
Union, Ethiopia or anywhere else....I give you my instructions to
use violence against the immigrants.  I willjail anyone who
refuses to do this."
				Yassir Arafat, Al-Muharar, 4/10/90

At least he's not racist!
Just anti-Jewish


Oh... I forgot... Art Shamsky, former Red and Mets player.  Batted .301
between injuries in 1969 (fell short of qualifying for Top 10 because of
injuries and platoon with Ron Swoboda; no Swobo wasn't Jewish).


That's not all that Kratz doesn't know.

Now we know that Kratz doesn't understand what a safety is supposed to
do.  (He also confuses "things he can see" with "things that exist";
Glocks have multiple safeties even though only one is visible from the
outside.)

A safety is supposed to keep the gun from going off UNLESS that's
what the user wants.  With Glocks, one says "I want the gun to go
off" by pulling the trigger.  If the safeties it has make that work,
it has a "real" safety, no matter what Kratz thinks.

-andy


As far as I know, tigers are not sentient.  If I were pushed into a pool with
some dolphins and they attacked me, I might be inclined to blame the dolphins
rather than the person doing the pushing, as (a) dolphins are not usually
aggressive and (b) they seem to have well-developed brains and a capacity for
abstract thought.

As a matter of fact, tigers rarely attack humans unless the human provokes
them.  Of course, if they are in a cage which is far too small, that might
count as provocation...


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This CD reciever is a very nice radio, great condition, the remote comes in very
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Interested!  send email to Brion Sohn at (easu351@orion.oac.uci.edu)
             any resonable offers will be considered


impertinent stuff deleted

There you go again, you edu-breath poser! "University-ness" indeed!
Leave that stuff to us professionals.


Without real technical details, it's hard to answer this question. But
suppose they already *are* XORing the two 40-bit parts to produce only
40 bits of real key material? Maybe they're using the exportable version
of RC2...? :-)


Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm afraid your friendship is in danger.
Perhaps you should examine in yourself why as such a good friend, you
are unwilling to accept this imortant part of your friends life?  Why
do you call into question his faith?  Your friend has changed, he has
found something that fills a need in his life.  You need to decide if
you are still his friend, whether you can accommodate his new life.
It sounds as if you are criticizing him for a fundamental belief in
the Bible, yet you are quick to reveal that your fundamental belief
that it is superstition.  Perhaps if he knew you at least took him
seriously, that you at least took an interest in the light he has found,
that you at least tried to understand what has become a special part of
his life, you could together decide to become fundamentalists, respect
each others differences and remain friends, or part ways.  Maybe even if
you stuck it out with him, you could help him to un-convert.  Of course,
if you go in with that attitude he will surely see through your intentions
and begin to resent you.

I happen to be a person very tolerant of fundamentalists, because I know
that the idea of a simple black and white approach to life is appealing.
I don't happen to share the beliefs of fundamentalists, but I am not
offended by their prosyletizing.  I had a few good conversations with
some Witnesses who came to my door.  I didn't switch my beliefs, but for
those at home who maybe need a friendly face to invite them somewhere,
the Witnesses provide a wonderful service.  You may have been conditioned
to believe that religion is unimportant and witnessing is obnoxious, but
why?  Are you afraid you might be converted and become one of them, that
you will be swept up in fundamentalism, that you will become a weirdo.
Friendship's a two-way street.  You must respect your friend, ALL of him,
including his beliefs, if you want the friendship to continue.


(NOTE: cross-posted to alt.politics.italy and talk.politics.misc
 This is a reply to an article by Ed Ipser which also appeared in
 alt.politics.usa.misc and alt.politics.libertarian, but no longer belongs)

I hate to defend Ed (the article was very poorly written) but here goes:

Italy's per-capita debt is much higher than USA's.

This is *exactly* what the public in France & Italy perceive to be the
problem-- thus the French election and Italian pulizia.

Regarding the post-pulizia Italy:

Wrong.  This is true perhaps only for the Lega Nord.
The referendum Sunday is expected to establish a British/American style
first-past-the-post system in the Senate.  If implemented, it would
encourage a two- (or perhaps three-) party system in Italy.
Most likely the DC and PSI will not be these parties; rather there will
be a shakeup of the entire party structure from which 2 new parties
will emerge to dominate.  Will Lega Nord be one of these?  Who knows.

(The Camera dei Deputati (lower house) will likely remain with
Proportional Representation for a while, but there is talk of switching a
portion of that house, too. Maybe as much as 40% first-past-the-post)

Overall, the electoral reform in Italy is a welcome change.  Italians
are tired of having crappy government.  Porn stars, Pavarotti's and
Hunters & Fishers won't gain seats because PR is dead.  A good two-party
system will bring Italy efficient, accountable government.

It's about time.


OK... I've done a little research and the price I've been asking
was a BIT high.  So...

	Casio CZ-101 Synthesizer	$125 or best offer

Features:
uses FM modulation to create sounds --
	programmable ADSR envelopes for each of 2 DCA's (amplitude), 2 DCW's
	(pitch, like a VCF), and 2 DCO's (waveform, like VCO) with up to 8
	steps for each
16 preset sounds, 8 more in memory, 8 more still in RAM cartridge.
49 stubby keys
Pitch Bend Wheel
MIDI in/out ports

Includes:
All the manuals you could ever want
AC adapter (can use 6 D batteries)
Line cord
1 RAM cartridge -- holds 8 additional sounds

I'll throw in a bunch of sheet music and "Play Rock Keyboards" too.


Can somebody elaborate on "Area Ruling".  I gather it's something to
do with aerodynamics of trans-sonic planes, and can be summarised as
"Coke bottle good, Coke can bad".  Anyone provide more details,
derivation etc?


	The "System" refered to a "moral system". You havn't shown any
reason that chimps "must" have a moral system.
	Except if you would like to redefine everything.

---

        " Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "


Ok, I'll bite.  How is this supposed to work?


I would suggest skipping olwm and getting olvwm instead. This version of the
olwm window manager implements a virtual desktop that I find really handy even
on large monitors.

This version is also available at export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/olvwm3.tar.Z.
The README file also suggest getting the files in /contrib/xview3.

In my case, I built the X Server first, Xview second, then olvwm. All of these
were installed into /usr/X5. Once I verified the server worked correctly,
I happily issued "rm -rf /usr/openwin/*".

Using gcc 2.3.3 to build all of the above resulted in a windowing system that
is, for all intents and purposes, identical to OpenWindows 3.0 and that is
incredibly faster. There is a bit of tweaking you will have to do if you want
things to work _exactly_ like OpenWindows, but not much.


Do you count yourself as one who is weak in the faith?

Is there any doubt in your mind about what is right and what is missing
the mark?

Are they clear or do you have doubts?

An important first step; the realization that Paul was human.

Yes, and he was writing and speaking for an audience that was at best,
very weak in the faith; most could not read, most were unfamiliar with
the Hebrew Scriptures in even the Septuagint form. Paul adapted the
message of the Bible to a largely uneducated market. Granted, this
market still exists today, but do you count yourself as part of it? To
be "weak in the faith" is not missing the mark (hamartia) if you do the
best that your education allows. Are you doing the best?

Let me make clear that the "Law" is none other than the Pentateuch of
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. What did Jesus say
about the "Law" in Matt5:14-19? Where did Jesus say that the "Law" only
applies to Jews and that Gentiles are above the "Law"?

Who acknowledged this fact? On what basis? Are we extra-biblical at this
point? Why not also acknowledge that the Bhagavad-Gita is the only
relevant text for Gentiles, after all we see in the Bible that it was
Magus from the east who observed the star-signs of Jesus? Why bother
with any texts at all? Why not just follow whatever the Church has to
say?

I don't see how you can say this with a straight face. Are you a
follower of Christ, or do you follow someone else? Are you saying that
the words of Jesus only apply to Jews?

How Jewish was Paul after he changed his name from Saul?

Who says Gentile Christians are not covered by the first five books? Who
says that Gentile Christians are above the Ten Commandments?

You're implying that Jesus' words are valid only for Jews. Is this
really what you mean to say? You do realize that you are gutting rather
large portions of the Bible? When you read Jesus' words, did you ever
consider that maybe, just maybe Jesus is talking to you, no matter what
your race or sex? If the Hebrew Scriptures and the Gospel accounts of
Jesus are only directed to Jews, why were they translated into English?

As Paul would call him, one who was weak in the faith.

Which is more important: 1) The recorded word of Jesus or 2) Indications
that you can deduce from the Bible? Was Jesus God only of the Jews, or
God of all humankind of all race and sex?

This is your understanding of Paul. Compare this to the word of Jesus.
Are you Christian or Pauline?

Again, this is your understanding of Paul. Did Jesus say that the Law
was an "impossible standard?" Did Jesus say that He superceded the Law?
Are you Christian or Pauline?

You acknowledge that it is *your* reading of Paul. What did Jesus say?
Can you deny that Matt5:14-19 is quite clear in its meaning? Are you
Christian or Pauline?

When did Jesus say that the purpose of the Law was conviction of sin?

Please reread Matt5:14-19. Are you Christian or Pauline?

Are you saying that the Ten Commandments are ceremonial details?

You call observance of the Sabbath, the day on which the Lord rested,
ceremonial? Has circumcision been superceded for Christians?

....

Are you Christian or Pauline?

[Both.  There is no doubt in my mind about what is sin and what is
not, at least not in this case.  Jesus did not deal explicitly with
the question of whether the Law was binding on Gentiles.  That's why I
have to cite evidence such as the way Jesus dealt with the Centurion.

As to general Jewish views on this, I am dependent largely on studies
of Pauline theology, one by H.J. Schoeps, and one whose author I can't
come up with at the moment.  Both authors are Jews.  Also, various
Christian and non-Christian Jews have discussed the issue here and in
other newsgroups.

Mat 5:19 is clear that the Law is still valid.  It does not say that
it applies to Gentiles.

And yes, I say that the specific requirement for worship on the
Sabbath in the Ten Commandments is a ceremonial detail, when you're
looking at the obligations of Gentiles.  Similarly circumcision.

I'm not sure quite what else I can say on this subject.  Again, it's
unfortunate the Jesus didn't answer the question directly.  However we
do know (1) what the 1st Cent. Jewish approach was, (2) how Jesus
dealt with at least one Gentile, and (3) how Jesus' disciples dealt
with the issue when it became more acute (I'm referring to Acts 15
more than Paul).  Given that these are all in agreement, I don't see
that there's a big problem.


I am considering making a reasonably large application for free
distribution (probably copylefted).  I am going to use X.  Now I'm
bewildered by the huge number of "standards" that "open systems" has
created.

I've lived in a fairly tookit-sheltered environment.  Most of the tools
here were produced with the Athena Widget set, or X Intrinsics or Xw
(??).

In my humble opinion, they look like crap.  I don't know, however, if
this is a characteristic of the tookits, or just poor aestetic taste
in the programmers.

I would like my app to look a little more "sculptured" like mwm.  I
understand, however, that mwm isn't free like the other tookits.

I am getting Linux, so I will have InterViews, but I don't know how it
will look.  I get the impression Andrew is from the FSF, but I don't
know what it looks like either.

If you can help explain this toolkit mess to me, I would be much
obliged.  Which are free?  Which are the best?  Which are portable?  Which
looks nice?  Which is not a resource hog?

Also, if you happen to know which are available on Linux and/or Sun,
that would be a big help too.


Well, I'm afraid the time has come; my rice-burner has finally died.
I'd always promised my wife that we would do a Scandanavian tour when
my car died and pick up a Volvo in Sweden, drive it around and then
import it home.

Can anyone give me 1) advice on feasibility and relative costs 2)
references where I might learn more 3) Personal experience?

Please email


The Quadralink by AE is a possibly problematical solution to your needs.
I've used one for the last 4 (?) years on my personal system, but a fatal
bug has crept into their more recent s/w. The bug only shows up during
heavy serial traffic but completely crashes the system (MacsBug can not
reboot, time to hit the restart button).

AE told me in January that they were aware of and working on fixing the bug
which I described to them. Since then they have not answered any of my
faxes asking them for a status of the bug-fix.

The QL has been great, but for now I have mine sidelined. If you are only
going to be using 2400 Baud or less, then you may have no, or very
infrequent problems,


Please don't misuse newsgroup hierarchy names as distributions.

Yes, but it's not an attribute of the window; it's an attribute of the
GC used to do the drawing.  Set the subwindow-mode to IncludeInferiors
rather than the default ClipByChildren.

					der Mouse


: I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged
: couple become "married" in God's eyes?  Some say that if the two have
: publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and
: are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective
: qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight.

The way I read Scripture, a couple becomes married when they are *physically*
married, i.e. when they first have sexual intercourse.

e.g. the end of Genesis 2 (quoted from memory) ``for this reason, a man shall
leave his parents and be joined to his wife, and they will become one flesh''
(Jesus also quotes this scripture referring to marriage).

If you read through Genesis in particular, you will often come across the
phraseology: ``[man] lay with [woman], and she became his wife''. This
implies that she became his wife when they lay together, i.e. at the
point of intercourse.

Compare this with Jewish tradition: Joseph, when he heard that Mary
was pregnant, had it in mind to divorce her quietly -- but Mary and Joseph were
*betrothed*, not married. i.e., they were in a binding relationship (which
required a divorce to get out of), but *marriage* would not occur until Mary
and Joseph went to bed together.

Compare with Christ and the Church (Ephesians 5, Revelation 19): the church is
described as the ``bride'' of Christ, but the *marriage* of the Lamb takes
place when Jesus returns. i.e., we are in a binding love-relationship with
Jesus, but we are still looking forward to the time when the marriage will
take place. I see this as the spiritual equivalent of sexual intercourse,
because it represents the most intimate fellowship possible between man and God.

In summary, engagement should be honoured as a binding relationship, but it is
not marriage. A civil ceremony is not marriage either. Marriage occurs at the
point when the betrothed couple go to bed together. (I don't mean to demean the
civil or church ceremony -- ours was great! I don't mean to be too pedantic.)
Historically, I think I am correct in stating that the civil ceremony (i.e. a
marriage recognised by the state), has only been around in the West since
Napoleon, who introduced it to keep tabs on the people (although I'm ready to be
corrected on that point!)

This view obviously raises some questions:

What about those who have had sex with one or more partners, without considering
marriage. Are those people also ``married''?

If it is true that marriage occurs at the point of intercourse, is it necessary
to be married in the eyes of the state? (I would say Yes, because this honours
the laws of our nations in the West. Although it is not illegal to sleep
together though unmarried in most Western countries, I believe that it is God-
honouring to proclaim our marriage to the state and to our friends before
actually consummating our marriage. Its to do with our being salt and light, and
also to do with how people will perceive us; i.e. it is culturally insensitive
to declare yourself married without going through a civil ceremony.)

--

-----
Michael Davis (cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk)


Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts.  For
example, Why couldn't Magellan just be told to go into a "safe"
mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if
maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy
gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again.

For that matter, why exactly were the Apollo lunar experiments
"turned off" rather than just "safed".  Was it political (i.e.
as along as they could be used, someone would keep bugging
congress for funds)?  Turning them off keeps them pesky
scientists out of the bureaucrat's hair....

I've heard the argument that an active but "uncontrolled"
spacecraft causes "radio noise."  I find that hard to believe
that this could be a problem in a properly designed "safe" mode.
This safe mode could be a program routine which causes the
spacecraft to go to least fuel using orientation, and once a
(week, month, year, whatever) attempts a signal lock on Earth.
At that time, if funding has been restored, the mission can
continue.  If no signal is recieved, the spacecraft goes back to
the safe mode for another time period. As we would know when the
spacecraft is going to try to contact Earth, we could be
prepared if necessary.

As another a spacecraft could do at the attempted contact is
beam stored data towards Earth.  If someone can receive it,
great, if not, so it's lost and no big deal.
By making the time and signal location generally known, perhaps
someone in the world might be able and willing to intercept the
data even if they're not willing to contact the spacecraft.

I see this as being particularly useful for spacecraft which
could have an otherwise long life and are in or are going to
places which are otherwise unaccessible (Jupiter/Saturn Orbit,
exiting the solar system, etc).

Perhaps those designing future spacecraft (Cassini, Pluto Flyby,
etc) should consider designing in a "pause" mode in case their
spacecraft gets the ax sometime in the future after completion of
the primary mission. Perhaps Mars Observer and Galilleo could
have some kind of routine written in for the post mission
"drift" phase.

So any holes in all this?


re: majority of users not readding from floppy.
Well, how about those of us who have 1400-picture CD-ROMS and would like to use
CVIEW because it is fast and it works well, but can't because the moron lacked
the foresight to create the temp file in the program's path, not the current
didrectory?


I have a question about digital communications encryption:

	The Fact Sheet mentioned encryption/decryption microcircuitry with
special "keys" for law enforcement for wire tapping purposes.

	If I wanted to, couldn't I develop  encryption of my own?  That
is, if me and a partner in crime had unique Encryption/decryption
devices installed before the "tappable" one, couldn't we circumvent
the "keys" system?  Or replace it?

	I'd be really interested in knowing how the E/D microcircuits might
be made to prevent such befuddlement! (Laymans' Language, please! maybe a bit
technical...)

Please E-mail to me, as I'm not in Net News as much as I'd like to be!

Pete
deuelpm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu


As far as I know Dusseldorf has only one Canadian-German forward (i.e. a  player
who was born in Canada but now has a German passport).
Benoit Doucet became german by marriing a german and he is going to play
for Germany in the WC.

The other Canada-born forwards are:
	Peter-John Lee (has British passport)
	Chris Valentine
	Dale Dercatch
	Steve Gootas
 	Earl Spry (?)

At the moment there are only three German-born forwards coming into my mind:
	Bernd Trunschka, Andreas Brockmann, Ernst Koepf


A co-worker of mine needs to convert a postscript file to a form readable
(ie ascii) in windows or DOS. Does anybody know of a utility that will do
this? I have a vague memory of a shareware utility someone mentioned once...

Thanks for any info,


xgif is the grandfather of XV.

--


A practical suggestion, to be sure, but one could *also* peek into
news.lists, where Brian Reid has posted "USENET Readership report for
Mar 93." Another posting called "USENET READERSHIP SUMMARY REPORT FOR
MAR 93" gives the methodology and caveats of Reid's survey.  (These
postings failed to appear for a while-- I wonder why?-- but they are
now back.)

Reid, alas, gives us no measure of the "power/influence" of readers...
Sorry, Mark.

I suspect Mark, dangling out there on Fidonet, may not get news.lists
so I've mailed him copies of these reports.

The bottom line?

        +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
        |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
        |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
        |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
        |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)
        |     |     |      |      |      +-- Crossposting percentage
        |     |     |      |      |      |    +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr
        |     |     |      |      |      |    |      +-- Share: % of newsrders
        |     |     |      |      |      |    |      |   who read this group.
        V     V     V      V      V      V    V      V
  88  62000  1493   80%  1958  4283.9    19%  0.10   2.9%  sci.space

The first figure indicates that sci.space ranks 88th among most-read
newsgroups.

I've been keeping track sporadically to watch the growth of traffic
and readership.  You might be entertained to see this.

Oct 91   55  71000  1387   84%   718  1865.2    21%  0.04   4.2%  sci.space
Mar 92   43  85000  1741   82%  1207  2727.2    13%  0.06   4.1%  sci.space
Jul 92   48  94000  1550   80%  1044  2448.3    12%  0.04   3.8%  sci.space
May 92   45  94000  2023   82%   834  1744.8    13%  0.04   4.1%  sci.space
(some kind of glitch in estimating number of readers happens here)
Sep 92   45  51000  1690   80%  1420  3541.2    16%  0.11   3.6%  sci.space
Nov 92   78  47000  1372   81%  1220  2633.2    17%  0.08   2.8%  sci.space
(revision in ranking groups happens here(?))
Mar 93   88  62000  1493   80%  1958  4283.9    19%  0.10   2.9%  sci.space

Possibly old Usenet hands could give me some more background on how to
interpret these figures, glitches, or the history of Reid's reporting
effort.  Take it to e-mail-- it doesn't belong in sci.space.


We no longer use quarter inch tape for backups, and have a case of
unopened DC6150s for sale.  I'll sell the lot, or in boxes of 5 tapes
each.


I have been told that I seem to be very smug in my post.  I appoligize
if anyone felt this way. I did not at all desire to come across in
that way. I was trying to express that I didn't understand his logic
and that I wished him the best in his life.


Theoretically supposed to be reduced.... not any longer.  That's why everyone
is arguing about RISC v.s. CISC.  Personally, I think CISC will win out.
Just take a look at the Pentium!  (Not that I like Intel architectures either,
but that's another story...)

bye!

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leebr@ecf.toronto.edu  |
leebr@eecg.toronto.edu | (try Linux... the best and free UN*X clone!)


<stuff deleted>

You mean like: seconds, minutes, hours, days, months, years. . .  :-)

Remember,  the Fahrenheit temperature scale is also a centigrade scale.  Some
revisionists tell the history something like this:  The coldest point in a
particular Russian winter was marked on the thermometer as was the body
temperature of a volunteer (turns out he was sick, but you can't win 'em all).
Then the space in between the marks on the thermometer was then divided into
hundredths.
								:-)

FWIW,

Doug Page


Could someone please tell me what a

LaserWriter IINTX upgrade kit is.

Its a small box, which has a bag inn it , seemingly
containing 6 chips (look like ROMS) and a IINTX manual.
The installation instructions are most informative and say, in full,
"This product must be installed by an Apple ........."

SO what does this do ? At first I thought it might be a NT to NTX
upgrade, but I thought that required an entirely new board.

Any info appreciated.


I'm looking for good deals on the following (used or new):
Aviation Headsets (with mic).
Handheld Nav/Com tranciever (may consider COM only).
Portable GPS or Loran Navigator.

Reply here or call:
(717)737-3236 (only after 5pm -- please don't wake the night worker
   in my house).
(717)540-2895 if you must call during the day (I can understand if you
   want your employer to pay for the call).

_______________________________________________________________________________
Jay A. Snyder               jay@gdx         ...{uunet,vogon1}!compnect!gdx!jay
This is your Brain: (unix)              GDX-BBS (717) 737-3249 WorldBlazer
This is your Brain on drugs: (MSDOS)    Unix and MSDOS File areas + Xenix bins


Hi Folks,

I recently bought a 1981 Mercury Capri (my first car ever!).
I have noticed a few problems with the car :

	1. It gives very low gas mileage (something like
           11 miles / gallon ; I hear other car owners speak of
           gas-mileage figures like 25 miles/gallon (wow!) etc.).

	2. When I start the car, it goes into high idling (something
           like 1500 (or is it 15000 ?) rpm. After driving 4 or 5 miles,
           it comes down to 300 (or 3000?) rpm.

I would like to know if there is any way by which I can fix these
problems. Or is it natural for an old car like this ? (it has
done about 117,000 miles). Someone suggested that I change/rebuild/
recondition the carburettor. I am not prepared to do it
unless I am sure it will fix the problem. And yes, I got the
car tuned-up recently (within the last 200 miles or so).

Please let me know if you have any suggestions. Please respond
by email since I don't scan this newsgroup regularly.

Thanks.

Regards,

--Sudhi.

--
Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. email : sudhi@ucs.usl.edu.


THANKS TO ALL OF YOU WHO RESPONDED TO MY POSTING.

THE PROBLEM WITH MY TRUCK'S HEADLIGHTS LOW BEAM PROBLEM WAS A "LOOSE WIRE
 CONNECTION".  IT WAS NOT THE "FUSE" AS A MINORITY OF YOU SUGGESTED.


Women who are known not to want abortion services, for example,
might be judged to be more likely to require prenatal care &
coverage for childbirth... which can be an order of magnitude
more expensive than abortion.

This topic should really be restricted to talk.abortion, which
exists to relieve t.r.m & t.p.m of abortion flamage.


Ok, lets say youve got a grid of hexagons

that go in a        10
                     9
                    10
                     9
                    etc..

for a total of 15 rows down

that means there are 10 hexagons in the 1st line,
9 lined up underneath in the second line
10 lined up underneath in the third line
9 lined up under neath in the fourht...

the problem is  given the center of any arbritrary hexagon, and a line with
and arbritrary slope, Which hexagons does that line cross through
(The line doesn't necessarily have to cross through the center of other hexagon,it can even be a tangent and count).  Any helpers, my friend was baffeled
when trying to figure this.
:w


Here are some notes about what the church is to be like and some helpful
ideas about how to choose a church:

Colossians 1:15-18
   A.  Jesus is the head of the body, the church
   B.  You cannot say "yes" to Jesus, but "no" to the church

Ephesians 2:19-22
   A.  The church is the family of God
   B.  The church is based on the Word of God only
          Cornerstone=Christ
          Foundation= Apostles=New Testament
                      Prophets=Old Testament  (see Revelation 21:9-14)

1 Corinthians 12:12-13
   A.  Baptism is when we become a member of the church

As for the question of denominations:
   A.  The Bible teaches that there is only ONE church from Ephesians
4:4-6, Romans 12:4-5, 1 Corinthians 12:12-13
   B.  1 Corinthians 1:10-13 says that there should be no divisions in
the church.  There should be no following of personalities in the church
(and in time, their writings)
   C.  There are so many churches today because of a problem.  2 Timothy
4:1-4 says that people will turn away from the truth and try to find a
church that teaches a doctrine that suits their lifestyle

Hebrews 10:24-25
   A.  Do not miss church
   B.  Purpose is to encourage each other, so we will remain faithful.
Involved on a relationship level in the church
   C.  Must come to ALL services

Another verse which is helpful is Hebrews 3:12-15.  The church should be
encouraging daily, as it is their duty to do.

Of course, more standards apply:
   1 Timothy 4:16  People in the church should be watching their lives
and doctrines to make sure they both live up to the Word entirely (ie,
disciples).
   Acts 17:10-12  The pastor does not come close to the Apostle Paul
(natural conclusion since the Apostle Paul talked with Jesus directly
face to face), so if the Bereans, who were considered noble, didn't take
Paul at his word but checked out what he said with Scripture to verify
his statements, then church members are to do the same and verify the
pastor's statements.  If they are not verifiable or valid in light of
other verses, then that group should be avoided as a church (would've
made a wonderful suggestion to the Waco group, especially in light of
Matthew 24).


My sunroof leaks.  I've always thought those things were a royal pain.

Can anyone provide any insight ?

I know the seal isn't great.  Maybe I could weld the stupid thing shut.


when does carrying a tool classify someone as a rambo.  so all the
pioneers that came west were rambo's?  adrienne!!!  :-)

would your tune change if you were one of the "dozen or two bear attacks"?
believe me, when you need a firearm, you NEED a firearm.

please cite your references.   i'll let others (please note followup)
cite valid references to show you that this is an untruth.

well, you might as well go naked.  forget the matches, backpack, sleeping
bag and all the rest that's is a modern convenience.  a firearm is just
a tool.  as some people won't carry gaiters, some people do.  firearms
should be in the same category.  it should be a personal choice.

and your factoid about shooting victims in the ER.  count how many come in
due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes.  maybe we should outlaw
cars.


Tell that to the Japanese, their local market is neatly protected by
the Japanese government. Its one very tough nut to crack. In fact
the only current way to break into it, is to do it with a Japanese
company as a partner in the venture.

Gary

--


Gulp.

[Disclaimer:  This opinion is mine and does not represent the views of
Fermilab, Universities Research Association, the Department of Energy,
or the 49th Ward Regular Science Fiction Organization.]


For sale KFC SVGA Monitor 1024X768 .28DP Non-interlaced


Clipper might be a good way to cover the use of another layer of
encryption.

Currently, when you send an encrypted message, an opponent can usually
tell 1) that you are using encryption 2) which encryption method you
are using [because that information is usually in the clear].

With clipper, most opponents will only know that you are sending
clipper-text, they won't know that your clipper-text is itself
encoded.

Only those few opponents who get your clipper-keys will know
that your message is double encrypted.

... kind of like a safety deposit box containing a lock box.

So, don't just think of replacements for clipper, also think of front
ends.

- Carl


I always thought that the Pope was a bear.

You know, because of that little saying:

Does a bear shit in the woods?
Is the Pope Catholic?


This is the second post which seems to be blurring the distinction
between real disease caused by Candida albicans and the "disease"
that was being asked about, systemic yeast syndrome.

There is no question that Candida albicans causes thrush.  It also
seems to be the case that active yogurt cultures with acidophilous
may reduce recurrences of thrush at least for vaginal thrush -- I've
never heard of anyone taking it for oral thrush before (though
presumably it would work by the same mechanism).

Candida is clearly a common minor pathogen and a less common major
pathogen.  That does not mean that there is evidence that it causes
the "systemic yeast syndrome".


: >                         MVP           Biggest       Biggest
: >                                       Suprise       Disappointment
:
: >Los Angeles Kings       Robitaille     Donnelly      Hrudey
:
:
: I would have chosen Alex Zhitnik for biggest suprise.  They
: did expect that he would become a great defenseman, but I don't
: think anyone knew that he was going to be this impressive in his
: rookie year.  His speed, skating ability, and puck control is
: exceptional -- he is the one to watch on the Kings.
:

I agree, with Marty McSorely and Warren Rychel running a close second and
third. I am surprised more people have not noted Knickle as the biggest
surprise, even though I personally do not really rate him well. The biggest
disappointment has to be Carson. Though this is really unfair, since too much
was expected of him. The second biggest disappointment is Melrose, with his
adolescent handling of the goaltending problems. Putting Hrudey on the bench
for a month is just stupid. It did not contribute to the team coming out of
its slump. MVP is surely Robitaille.


Hi, Experts,

I'm kind of new to X. The following question is strange to me. I am
trying to modify the contents of the colormap but failed without
reason (to me). I am using the following piece of code:

  toplevel = XtInitialize(argv[0], "Testcolor", NULL, 0,
			  &argc, argv);
  dpy = XtDisplay(toplevel);
  scr = DefaultScreen(dpy);
  def_colormap = DefaultColormap(dpy,scr);

  if(XAllocColorCells(dpy, def_colormap, True, NULL, 0, cells, 5)) {
    color.pixel = cells[0];
    color.red = 250;
    color.green = 125;
    color.blue = 0;
    color.flags = DoRed | DoGreen | DoBlue;
    XStoreColor(dpy, def_colormap, &color);
    printf("\n Try to allocate, the color %d as (%d,%d,%d)",
	   color.pixel, color.red, color.green, color.blue);

    XQueryColor(dpy, def_colormap, &color);
    printf("\n After  allocate, the color %d is (%d,%d,%d)",
	   color.pixel, color.red, color.green, color.blue);
  }
  else
    printf("\n Error: couldn't allocate color cells");

Running output:

     Try to allocate, the color 7 as (250,125,0)
     After  allocate, the color 7 is (0,0,0)

After XStoreColor(), XQueryColor() just returned the original value.
No failure/error displayed but the contents of colormap are obvious
unchanged. (I also tried to draw a line using the colors but it
turned out to be the unmodified colors.)

So what is my problem? How to modify the contents of the colormap?

Any help/information will be appreciated. Please send mail to
"yang@cs.umass.edu".

--------------------------
William
email: "yang@cs.umass.edu"
--------------------------

By the way, the following is the environment I am using (output of
"xdpyinfo"). It shows the default visual is PseudoColor.

version number:    11.0
vendor string:    DECWINDOWS DigitalEquipmentCorporation UWS4.2
vendor release number:    1
maximum request size:  16384 longwords (65536 bytes)
motion buffer size:  100
bitmap unit, bit order, padding:    32, LSBFirst, 32
image byte order:    LSBFirst
number of supported pixmap formats:    2
supported pixmap formats:
    depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32
    depth 8, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32
keycode range:    minimum 86, maximum 251
number of extensions:    8
    Adobe-DPS-Extension
    DPSExtension
    SHAPE
    MIT-SHM
    Multi-Buffering
    XInputExtension
    MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD
    DEC-XTRAP
default screen number:    0
number of screens:    1


   >How about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local
   >agencies to help children, seniors, the homeless?

   Hear, hear!  Thanks, Robbie.

   You also don't read that much about violence *against* teenagers, such as
   George Bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed Iraqi 17-year-olds,
   who were trying to surrender, with bulldozers.

I didn't know George Bush could drive a bulldozer.

Kee-ripe.


My 1988 Toyota 4Runner has a rolldown rear window with a keylock
switch.  It sticky on me.  Yesterday it was tough to get the
key to work and it also happened to stick on in the up direction
so the stalled motor was powered all night killing the battery.

I'd like to try to lubricate the lock switch. What should I lubricate
the lock with?

email please,

thanx, Ken.
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Something that happened in South AFrica about a year ago: A dealer sold a
Mercedes with an odometer reading of 150K kilometers to a lady. Turned out
that the actual reading should have been 160K. Court case followed because
lady said she wouldn't have bought a car with that much km's. Dealer found
quilty, fined and had to take back the car.

I think you have a case if you can get a sworn statement from the previous
owner. Take the car back to the dealer and threaten him or something.


My friend, David Gordon wants to sell his 1989 Honda. Some of the details of th
e car are as follows:

             Five speed
             A/c, AM/FM/Cassette stereo
             ps/pb
             Rear window defroster
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My turn to jump in! :)

I think you mean circular, not recursive, but that is semantics.
Recursiveness has no problems, it is just horribly inefficient (just ask
any assembly programmer.)

The oft-quoted line that says people should be guaranteed life, liberty
and the pursuit of happiness as inalienable rights, is a complete lie
and deception, as the very authors of that line were in the process of
proving.  Liberty is never free, it is always purchased at some cost,
almost always at the cost to another.  Whos liberty is more inalienable?
Similarly for right of life.  When one person must die if he is to save
another, or even a group of others, whos life is more inalienable?
That leads into the classic question of the value of the death penalty,
especially for serial killers.  Whos life and liberty is more valuable,
the serial killer, or the victim?  According to that beautiful line,
those two rights should be completely inviolate, that is, noone should be
able to remove them.  This _includes_ government.  Admittedly the serial
killer has restricted some people's life and/or liberty, but is not his
own life/liberty inviolate also?  According to the declaration of independence,
it is.

Oooh, I like that.  It means that killing an infant is not murder because
it cannot be against its will.  Reason, an infant has no will as such.

Similarly for people who are brain dead (easier to see), in a coma, etc.

Also, under current law, accidental killing is still murder.  How will you
include that?

The only real golden rule in life is, he who has the gold, makes the
rules.  I.e. Might Makes Right.  That is survival.  Now what is wrong
with that?

If you mean the golden rule as I stated, yes, almost every system as
implemented has used that in reality.  Sorry, I don't deal as much in
fiction, as I do in reality.

WELCOME TO OZLAND!!!!!!! :)

What is NOT arbitrary?  If you can find some part of society, some societal
rules, morals, etc. that are not arbitrary, please tell me.  I don't think
there are any.

Sounds like euphemisms to me.  The difference seems to be, that objective
is some reasoning that I like, while arbitrary is some reasoning that
I don't like OR don't understand.


It's O- that is especially useful.  Still, he isn't punishing the
Red Cross but some O+ person that needed his blood and couldn't
get it.  You are right, nagging probably won't help.

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."


  I had this one time.  I attributed it to a lack of sleep since it disappeared
after a few nights of good zzz's.


I'll pose a question here that's got me thinking:  what distinguishes
"true" religion from cults (I'm speaking generally here, not specifially
about Christianity)?  Jerry Falwell was on Good Morning America on
Tuesday ostensibly to answer this question.  Basically, he said that
true religion follows a message whereas a cult follows a person.
But, then, Christianity is a cult because the message of Christianity
IS the person of Jesus.  So what distinguishes, for example, the
Branch Davidian "cult" from the Presbyterian "church"?  Doctrinal
differences don't answer the question, IMHO, so don't use them as
an answer.

  -- Scott at Brandeis

	"But God demonstrates His     "The Lord bless you, and keep you;
	 own love for us, in that      the Lord make His face shine on you,
	 while we were yet sinners,    and be gracious to you;
	 Christ died for us."	       the Lord lift up His countenance on you,
				       and give you peace."
		-- Romans 5:8 [NASB]		-- Numbers 6:24-26 [NASB]


	Wasn't the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver, so he
could see where he was backing up???  Although reverse lights on the sides
are useful for telling whether cars are backing up out perpendicular to the
path of the car, I don't think warnings were their original intents, since they
are colored white.


SIGKIDS CALL FOR PARTICIPATION
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Submit to:

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I have a thermal fuse from a Apple Laserwriter II power supply (Made
by Cannon) that I need to replace.  The fuse is not the standard
tubular thermal fuse like those found in hair driers etc, but is a
rectangular plastic package, much like a transistor or diode.  It
is about 0.2"x0.2"x0.1", with both leads coming out of one of the
0.1"x0.1" sides.  I have been told that it was made by MITI, a asian
company, but I can find no information as to a supplier.  This fuse
is rated at 1A, 130C.  Does anyone have a source for this fuse?  I
only need 5 or so, which means that the manufacturer wouldn't even want
to talk to me, let alone, deal with me.

Please advise via E-mail.

Thanks,
Pat


The two historic facts that I think the most important are these:

(1) If Jesus didn't rise from the dead, then he must have done something
else equally impressive, in order to create the observed amount of impact.

(2) Nobody ever displayed the dead body of Jesus, even though both the
Jewish and the Roman authorities would have gained a lot by doing so
(it would have discredited the Christians).


Tektronix 453 scope for sale:

  - 50MHz bandwidth
  - portable (NOT one of the 5xx series boatanchors! :^)
  - delayed sweep
  - works fine
  - I don't have the manual (they are available from various places)
  - no probes

  - $275 + shipping

Email me for more info...

Regards,
Keith


:
: And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded,
: resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other
: team captain trivia would be appreciated.
:

Luc Robitaille was captain of the Kings the first third of the season,
until The Great One came back from his disc injury. It was kind of
awkward, but Melrose appointed (anointed?) TGO as captain immediately upon
his return, after which he did not score a goal for something like 10
games.

I think Luc should have remained Captain all season.


Hi there

Does anyone know how to get hold of data as well as stock of the
LCD displays used in the NINTENDO GAMEBOY handheld TV game machines?

Any information wouold be MOST appreciated.

Please e-mail any replies to

arawstorne@eleceng.uct.ac.za

thanks


As quoted from <1993Apr5.172734.8744@icd.ab.com> by kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead):

There were some significant differences.  Whereas the Branch Davidians are
reported to have gotten along rather well with their neighbors, the MOVE
people are generally conceded to have gone far out of the way to antagonize
their BLACK neighbors, using loudspeakers to all hours of the night, keeping
large piles of garbage, promoting rat and insect infestation, and allegedly
threatening to kidnap their neighbors' children.

Still the same sort of questions regarding use of force remain in that case.


I just love these posts from the ex-Soviet Union.  Among the cars, dinette
sets, video cameras, etc. every now and then an ad pops up for bee venom,
RED OXIDE OF MERCURY, cobalt (100 tons minimum order), etc.  Don't they
have garage sales in Russia?   :-)


: I wonder how many atheists out there care to speculate on the face of
: the world  if atheists were the majority rather than the minority group
: of the population.

I've been thinking about this every now and then since I cut my ties
with Christianity. It is surprising to note that a large majority of
people, at least in Finland, seem to be apatheists - even though
90 % of the population are members of the Lutheran Church of Finland,
religious people are actually a minority.

Could it be possible that many people believe in god "just in case"?
It seems people do not want to seek the truth; they fall prey to Pascal's
Wager or other poor arguments. A small minority of those who do believe
reads the Bible regularly. The majority doesn't care - it believes,
but doesn't know what or how.

People don't usually allow their beliefs to change their lifestyle,
they only want to keep the virtual gate open. A Christian would say
that they are not "born in the Spirit", but this does not disturb them.
Religion is not something to think about.

I'm afraid a society with a true atheist majority is an impossible
dream. Religions have a strong appeal to people, nevertheless -
a promise of life after death is something humans eagerly listen to.
Coupled with threats of eternal torture and the idea that our
morality is under constant scrutiny of some cosmic cop, too many
people take the poison with a smile. Or just pretend to swallow
(and unconsciously hope god wouldn't notice ;-) )

: Also, how many atheists out there would actually take the stance and accor a
: higher value to their way of thinking over the theistic way of thinking.  The
: typical selfish argument would be that both lines of thinking evolved from the
: same inherent motivation, so one is not, intrinsically, different from the
: other, qualitatively.  But then again a measuring stick must be drawn
: somewhere, and if we cannot assign value to a system of beliefs at its core,
: than the only other alternative is to apply it to its periphery; ie, how it
: expresses its own selfishness.

If logic and reason are valued, then I would claim that atheistic thinking
is of higher value than the theistic exposition. Theists make unnecessary
assumptions they believe in - I've yet to see good reasons to believe
in gods, or to take a leap of faith at all. A revelation would do.

However, why do we value logic and reasoning? This questions bears
some resemblance to a long-disputed problem in science: why mathematics
works? Strong deep structuralists, like Atkins, have proposed that
perhaps, after all, everything _is_ mathematics.

Is usefulness any criterion?

Petri


: 	These games are forsale (or trade):

: 			* Sonic Hedgehog II (two copies)
: 			  + manuals and cases ..
: 			$25 each..
: 			(brand new!)_

Hello, I am interested in Sonic II but when I send to the address below
I get mail bounced back with "Host unknow" error.

: 	Please reply to : kwill@lunatix.UUCP
: 		(subject: games)

--


Hey Serdar,
           What are you retarded?


I would like to apologize for the typos in the previous post.

In retrospect I would also like to quote another source: Douglas C.
Haldeman from his 1991 book _Homosexuality_

THERAPY INEFFECTIVE

Recently the founders of yet another prominent "ex-gay" ministry, Exodus
International, denounced their conversion therapy procedures as ineffective.
Michael Busse and Gary Cooper, cofounders of Exodus International and lovers
for 13 years, were involved with the organization from 1976 to 1979.  The
program was described by these men as "ineffective . . . not one person was
healed."  They stated that the program often exacerbated already prominent
feelings of guilt and personal failure among the counselees; many were
driven to suicidal thoughts as a result of the failed "reparative therapy."

The previous article quoted in the last posting is from THE ADVOCATE, June
30, 1992 called "The Ex-Ex-Gay" by Robert Pela.

Some personal thoughts:

It is of no great astonishment that there is a concerted effort by a major
portion of the Church to control and mandate change of a minority among
its ranks.  This was the momentum behind the Spanish Inquisition, only all
they required was a confession of faith (after much torture) and then, to
save their souls they would dispatch them to heaven through death.  Even
later, the Bible was used vigorously to defend slavery, oppression and
segragation of African-Americans, even to the justification of lynchings.
Today's scholars are just a bit more slick in their approach.  The tool is
still coersion, but now it is mostly by means of brainwashing and mind
control, convincing people that they should see themselves as less than
God sees them, then maintaining a cultic hold on them until it is felt
thier mind-conditioning is complete.  Sure, no one is "physically" forced
to stay in this "reparative therapy" but sheer social pressure is enough for
many to keep themselves in this new found bondage of self-hate.

As an abolitionist I advocate the abolishment of oppression and persecution
against gays in all facets of civil life.  A person should be judged by
the contibution, or non-contribution to the society in which they live,
not by some high-brow standard of conformity imposed by those who haven';t
a clue what is in their heart.

For those who seek more information about Gays and groups that accept them
please contact your nearest chapter of PFLAG (Parents & Friends of Lesbians
And Gays) who will be more than happy to assist you.  This is a group of
people comprised of Gays, Lesbians and Bisexuals, their parents and friends
who have formed a support group for help and understanding.  Try talking to
a parent of a gay son or daughter and learn some "first-hand" real life and
loving understanding.  God's love and understanding for Gay people is no
less abundant.


Has anyone seen source to an xterm package ready
to perform UNISYS 22403 TERMINAL EMULATION.
Got a clunker... and ...  Got a connect!

return: mikell@cactus.org


Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this
card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on
latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors
in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup.
I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors
in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible
quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs.
What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50.
Thx Dave L


This was posted to the firearms-politics mailing list.
==============================================================
Hi Folks;

Wednesday marked day 2, the beginning of the trial.  Opening
statements were given by both the prosecution and the defense,
each side presenting its version of what happenned last August.

The prosecution argued that Weaver and his family moved to
Idaho in 1983 anticipating a battle with the "evil" federal
government.  The prosecution alleges that Weaver sold federal
agents "sawed off" shotguns and later failed to appear for
trial: Despite repeated "good faith" efforts to get Weaver
to surrender peacefully, Weaver refused.  The shootout erupted
when Weaver discovered agents on a surveillance mission and
began firing.  According to the prosecution, three people
were taking an "offensive action" against an FBI helicopter
when an FBI sniper killed Vicki Weaver.

The defense argued that Weaver and his family moved to northern
Idaho in 1983 to practice their religion in peace.  They wanted
simply to be left alone.  Weaver was induced by federal agents to
sell the short-barrelled shotgun (and did not, as the prosecution
alleged, want to become a "regular supplier").  The defense also
argued that the federal government sought to arrest Weaver when
he wouldn't become an informant [it is not specified explicitly,
but I assume that this is a reference to the white separatist
angle of the story.  We'll know more as things develop].  The
failure to appear in court happenned because Weaver was given
an incorrect court date and then indicted before that date.
The shootout occurred when federal agent Arthur Roderick killed
Weaver's dog that was in proximity to Weaver's son, Samuel.  Weaver
then fired in self-defense.  In the ensuing battle, federal
agent William Degan was killed (when his gun was later found,
there were 7 .223 cases nearby and the gun was on semi-automatic:
However, agents were near the body for an extended period of
time and could have played with the select-fire - this will
have to be more fully explained).  Finally, the defense claims
that Vicki Weaver was only going to "look at the body" [not recover?]
of her son when she was cut-down by an FBI sniper.

Prosecution quote: "Weaver wanted that confrontation, and he made
that confrontation." -- Asst. U.S. Attorney Kim Lindquist

Defense quote: "The evidence in this case is going to show that
this is a case where Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris are charged
with crimes they didn't commit in order to cover crimes that
the government did commit."  -- Gerry Spence  [nice soundbite!]

Notes: The _Idaho Statesman_ claims that Weaver supporters
heeded a call from Spence not to repeat yesterday's protests
outside the courthouse.  However, the local NBC affiliate
again had footage on the 10:00 news with 5 supporters including
"Tim" again.  "Tim" claimed he was a skinhead, who were "ordinary,
working class people."  He also claimed he was for "white pride,
not white power."

Outside the courthouse the television crew had an impromptu interview
with Bo Gritz, who charged that the neo-nazi protestors are exactly
what the government wants to smear Randy Weaver.

In an affiliated article carried in the _Idaho Statesman_, about
a dozen lawyers were among the 70 or so people packed into the
courthouse.  These lawyers were present to watch Gerry Spence
in action, and to perhaps learn something from him.  Some
tidbits: Spence flatly told the jurors that he and his son Kent
were volunteering their time to represent Weaver because they
believed in him.  Spence, during his 90-minute opening statement,
repeatedly walked behind Weaver and placed his hands on the
defendants shoulders (Weaver broke down and cried during the
recounting of his wife's death), and Spence compared the "sawed
off" shotgun to driving 56 mph when the limit was 55 (another
good one!).

Today (Thursday, April 15th) the prosecution was scheduled to
begin presenting evidence.

Drew
=============================================================


Has anyone had problems with Ami Pro 3.0 after running PCTools (v7.1)
compress?  I have not corrupted data due to having caches other than
PC-Cache running, so that is not it.  The first time I try to run Ami
Pro after loading windows, it loads, but causes (I think it was a)
segmentation fault in AMIPRO.EXE right before it finishes, with all times
after that only managing to get to the logo box that first pops up when
it begins loading, and then causes a general protection fault in module
AMIPROUI.DLL at 0002:1147.  I have not been able to fix this problem except
by reinstalling Ami Pro.  This has happened twice, with both times being
after having ran compress on my hard drive.  BTW, I am not running stacker
or any other disk compression programs, and if you don't already know,
PCTools compress is actually a defragger, despite it's name.  My system is
a 386-40MHz, with 16MB of RAM and a NEC (OEM) hard drive, etc, but that
shouldn't make a difference.

PLEASE email me as I can't keep up with the newsgroup, and it will cut down
on net traffic anyways.  Thanks.

				-Derek


(1)  Stephen said you took a quote out of context
(2)  You noted that Stephen had not replied to some other t.r.m article
     (call it A) that took a quote out of context
(3)  But the lack of evidence for X does not constitute evidence for the
     lack of X  (a common creationist error)
(4)  So the fact that Stephen did not reply to A does not justify the
     conclusion that Stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in A
(5)  You asked Stephen to explain why you were wrong and they were OK,
     or to acknowledge that he was being a hypocrite.
(6)  Both of the choices you give Stephen assume that he condoned
     taking quotes out of context in A.
(7)  I assumed you were being logical, and that the sentence that begins
     "Could you please explain ..." was not a nonsequitur, but was intended
     to follow from the sentence that preceded it.
(8)  Therefore, I concluded that you believed that (2) implied that Stephen
     condoned taking quotes out of context in A
(9)  But we've already seen that (2) does not imply this
(10) Therefore, you were incorrect to believe that (2) implied that Stephen
     thought it was okay to take quotes out of context in A, and were
     making an error of a kind that is frequently made by creationists.

Is that better Jim?   It's called an argument.  If you disagree with it,
explain why the argument is not sound.  (I admit that my assumption in (7)
may have been a bit hasty.)  If you agree with it, just say "yup."


Unfortunately, Hep B infection can eventuate in chronic hepatitis and
subsequent cirrhosis.  Although not many patients with Hep B go on to
chronic hepatitis, it does still occur in a good number (20%?) and is
something to keep in mind.  Hepatitis C (was: non-A, non-B Hep) much
more frequently leads to chronic hep and cirrhosis.  There is also an
autimmune chronic hepatitis that affects mostly younger women which
also leads to cirrhosis.

Of course, cirrhosis is a most unkind disease.  The most dangerous
effects relate to portal hypertension and loss of liver function.
Patients develop life-threatening variceal bleeds and hepatic comas,
among many other problems, as a result of disturbances in hepatic
circulation.  Less ominously, they can exhibit the effects of
hyperestrogenemia which often characterize patients with cirrhosis.
These effects include telangiactasias (small red skin lesions) and, in
men, gynecomastia (breast development).  The only real treatment for
cirrhosis is liver transplant.

Keep in mind that cirrhosis is not expected, at least statistically, in
your friend's case.  Nevertheless you might want to bring up the
subject of chronic disease and cirrhosis with the doctor.  Hopefully he
or she can then carefully explain these sequelae of Hep B infection to
you, and offer you support.


The following is available in some FTP archive somewhere, I insert
my comments liberally throughout this demonic memo of Big Brotherdom:

   Look! This is clearly the first step toward outlawing our
   own screw thread specifications. If this madness isn't fought,
   tooth and nail, every step of the way, it'll be a crime to use
   screw threads other than those our Fearless Leaders so *graciously*
   define for us.

   Rubbish, I say! ANSI standard screw threads will have subtle weaknesses,
   allowing their agents to disassemble our automobiles more easily,
   causing our mufflers to fall off at inoppurtune moments.

	Hah! "trust us"

	See??! See? This is the first step.

	It is clear we must band together, write your congressman!
Use Pretty Good Screw Threads, not this devil-inspired ANSI trash.
Protect your constitutional right to use whatever screw thread you
desire. Guerilla Screw Thread Activism must become the order of the
day. Boycott GM, and build your own car, using screws from STZ
Screw Thread Associates.

	Screw you, Bill Clinton! You and your totalitarianist thugs!

------------------------------------------------------------------------
amolitor@nmsu.edu | finger for PGST personal screw thread pitch, or
Screw Threads     |  see the screw thread servers.
must be freed!    |


Yes. BTW, the appropriate Amendments were posted here some time ago.

It's OK, it's OK... Just a month ago I expressed my belief that the
right to have a means to shoot your neighbor is not that much
necessary to ensure a people's right to be free and got flamed by lots
of American gun supporters. So I thought that...

Never mind. The new Cripple Chip is a purely American problem, so deal
with the mess yourselves. I just wanted to share with you a bit of my
experience of living 30 years under a totalitarian regime (I'm
Bulgarian) - because I thought that it might be useful to you. Oh
well.

Regards,
Vesselin


What is hardware handshaking and when do I want to use it? Dan


I was wondering if anyone out in net-land have any opinions on MGs
in general.  I know they are not the most reliable cars around but
summer is approaching and they are convertibles `8^).  I'm interested
in a 75 MG but any opinions on MGs would be appreciated.  Thanks.


Did you forget to put in a sarcasm flag?


I think those are to make the lines more visible to airplanes and
helicopters... cheaper than blinking red lights.

'course I could be wrong.