THE WHITE HOUSE

                    Office of the Press Secretary
_____________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release                                  April 14, 1993

                            PRESS BRIEFING
                       BY GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS

                          The Briefing Room

12:40 P.M. EDT

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I guess I'm just prepared to take
questions today.

	     Q	  George, Bob Dole says that the Clinton
administration's policy on Bosnia is a failure and that he wants the
United States to take the lead in lifting the arms embargo so that
the Bosnian Muslims can defend themselves.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  As you know, President Clinton has
said that that suggestion is under active consideration.  Obviously,
this is a tragic situation in Bosnia.  And if the Bosnian Serbs don't
come to the negotiating table in a constructive way, we'll look
seriously at pressing for lifting the arms embargo.  In the meantime,
we're going to continue to press for a tough sanctions resolution in
the U.N.  We're going to continue to work on the Serbs to come to the
negotiating table.  But the prospect of an arms embargo is something
the President certainly will consider if the Serbs don't come to the
table.

	     Q	  How much longer are you going to give them to come
to the table, George?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  We're working on that right now.

	     Q	  It's been a long time.

	     Q	  On February 19th, the President mentioned the value
added tax in Ohio.  And when he was asked about it later by
reporters, he said -- quote -- "That is a radical change in the tax
system of the United States.  It's something I think we may have to
look at in the years ahead."  Questioned again about it later he
says, "It is not something that is now under consideration.  If we
start considering it, I'll tell you."  It wasn't a trial balloon or
anything, he said.  I was just discussing the tax response to a
question.  Donna Shalala, quoted in USA Today this morning -- quote -
- "Certainly we're looking at a VAT."  What's gone on?

	     Q	  The same with Alice Rivlin this morning.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The health care task force is
reviewing a number of options.  They haven't made any decisions yet.
And as I have said from this podium time and time again, we're not
going to comment on decisions that haven't been made.

	     Q	  But you have also said from this podium time and
time again --

	     Q	  Wait a minute.  Whoa, Nelly.  Whoa.

	     Q	     that that was not under consideration.

	     Q	  Yes.  Clinton says, "It is not something that is
now under consideration."  Is that no longer true?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I believe the working group, as Ms.
Shalala says, has looked at this prospect, but no decisions have been
made of any kind.

	     Q	  Well, I know.  But he said he'd tell us about it if
it was ever under consideration.  I take it that now he is and he
didn't tell us about it or --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Did he say if it was under
consideration or if it was something to be proposed?

	     Q	  "If we start considering I'll tell you."

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  If it's something to be proposed?

	     Q	  "If we start considering it, I'll tell you."
That's a direct quote.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The task force has looked at a
number of different options.  They have not made any decisions yet.
The President has not made any decisions yet.  This is -- one of the
proposals under consideration by the task force was to go out and
cast as wide a net as possible for different ideas on how to reform
the health care system.  They have cast a very wide net.  They have
looked at hundreds of different proposals -- probably thousands of
different proposals.  But the President has not made any decisions.

	     Q	  Well, is the President aware of their consideration
of this option?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know if he's been briefed
on any preliminary conclusions or anything like that from the task
force on this specific proposal of any kind.  I don't know that
that's gotten to his level.  He started yesterday to go through with
the task force a very wide range of decisions and I don't believe
that that's been presented to him, no.

	     Q	  Well, he's not relying on the USA Today to tell him
what his task force is considering in the way of taxes.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  No, he's going through it in a very
deliberate fashion.  There are a number of decisions that have to be
made.  I don't know that this proposal has reached that decision-
making point.

	     Q	  If this is still under consideration, that's a
change, at least from what we've been told by Dee Dee, I think about
three weeks ago or so.  She said, that is not an option, talking
about the -- had a big argument with somebody over this, so I
remember it specifically -- and said it not once, but twice.  Is that
not the case?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Again, I don't know if this has
been presented to the President as something that is being looked at
at some level in the task force.

	     Q	  It was ruled it out, though.  I mean, unlike other
options that you've kept in the mix, this one specifically was ruled
out.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Again, this is something that is
being looked at, but no decision has been made of any kind.  I mean,
it doesn't -- it's not necessarily material until you get to the
decision-making phase.  The working groups are looking at hundreds of
different options.

	     Q	  If it was ruled out before and it's not ruled out
now, then something has changed, George.  Yes, no?

	     Q	  When a guy says in February --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, the working groups are
looking at the widest possible range of options.

	     Q	  So something's changed.  They weren't looking at it
before; they're looking at it now.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, I don't know if the working
groups have gotten to that point yet.  They are casting a very wide
net.

	     Q	  How was it possible that you and Dee Dee were able
to sell -- definitively rule it out as an option previously and now
are saying that, in fact, it is being considered?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Again, the working groups are
looking at a wide range of options.  They have not --

	     Q	  Do you deny that you and Dee Dee ruled it -- flatly
ruled it out on several occasions in the past month?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't deny that -- I mean, those
are the President's words.  Those are very clear.

	     Q	  Subsequent to the President's words, do you deny
that within the last month you and Dee Dee have both publicly ruled
it out?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know about the timing.  I
think what we did was refer back to the President's words and say
they stand.

	     Q	  So don't they stand any longer?

	     Q	  March 25th, Clinton said for the next four to five
years it was ruled out.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, those words -- the President
did say that in February.  The working groups are on a separate
track, and as I said, I don't believe --

	     Q	  Separate from the President?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't believe this has been
presented to the President.

	     Q	  Are they considering something that the President
--

	     Q	  Has ruled out?

	     Q	     has ruled out?  I mean, will the President
consider a VAT tax?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Again, the working groups have not
presented this to the President.  They have looked at a wide range of
options.  I suppose that if an argument is made, he will clearly
listen to it.  That does not mean he has decided to do it.

	     Q	  Can we put this another way?  In his answer in
Ohio, he looked at the VAT in terms of restructuring the whole tax
system.  Under those -- that was the circumstance that he said it
might be considered at some future point.  Is that no longer the
case, or is that the only way that he can see a VAT emerging?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I guess I'm not sure exactly what
you're asking.

	     Q	  He talked about the VAT in the context of a
restructured tax system, not as a specific way to finance health
care, for example.

	     Q	  Or anything else.

	     Q	  Or anything else.

	     Q	  It was always in the context of substituting for
other taxes at a time of a dramatic overhaul of the whole tax system.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Right.

	     Q	  Has that change, too?

	     Q	  Is that still his view?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I haven't spoken about those
specific comments.  I think -- I can just go back to it -- are the
working groups -- have they examined the possibility of a VAT?  Yes,
they have.

	     Q	  Certainly we're looking at a VAT, she said.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  They have examined the possibility
of a VAT.  Has it been presented to the President?  Has he made a
decision?  No, he has not.

	     Q	  What kind of a deal do you have when you've got the
President's appointed task force, obviously not oblivious to his
ruling something out except in the context of some huge down the line
reform, goes ahead on its own and considers a tax which he has
specifically ruled out in any context other than much later, and then
goes ahead and announces that that's what they're looking at?  Is the
President concerned about that sort of thing?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think that the President's
concern is to make sure he gets the best health care proposal
possible.  He's concerned with making sure that they have the most
thorough process for examining all the possible alternatives, all the
different alternatives.  If a decision is made to go forward with
something like that it's certainly something the President will
explain and justify.  But no decision has been made along those
lines.

	     Q	  What does it mean exactly, though, when the
President rules something out?  Does it mean it can get back on the
table later if a more persuasive argument is made?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  That's just -- that's indisputably
true.  If you -- but, at the same time, he has not ruled it in.  He
has not made a proposal.

	     Q	  What makes him open to it now when he wasn't open
to it before?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  He's certainly willing to listen to
the argument.

	     Q	  Was he willing to listen to the argument for a
short-term tax this year, and he wasn't willing to listen to it in
Chilicothe?  He's now open to it --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The context of his comments was
that it was not something -- he wanted to be clear that this is not
something he was proposing, not something he was floating.

	     Q	  Not something he was considering.  Those are his
words -- "It's not something that's now under consideration.  If we
start considering it, I'll tell you."  You're now acknowledging, are
you not, that it is under consideration and --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'm acknowledging that the task
force has studied this proposal.  I am also stating that the
President has not made a decision on it.

	     Q	  But the door is open for the President to
reconsider including this as part of --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Obviously, the working groups are
looking at it.  Again, but the President has not made a decision.

	     Q	  Do you know if they will make a presentation on
behalf of the VAT to him?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know that.  I assume that
if -- I don't know what stage they are it in proposing.  I don't know
that they're going to make the conclusion that this is something they
should present to him.  I know this is something the working groups
are looking at.

	     Q	  Do you understand, George, that none of us are
asking these questions in context of a decision that the President
has made, only about what the President is considering?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I understand that, and I am
acknowledging that the working groups have examined the issue of a
VAT.

	     Q	  And the President will consider it?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I assume that he will consider the
argument if it is presented to him.

	     Q	  Does that mean the President -- that working groups
think that when the President says no, he means maybe?  (Laughter.)

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think that means that the working
groups are trying to do the most thorough job possible.

	     Q	  George, can I ask you another question about
Bosnia?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Sure.  (Laughter.)

	     Q	  No, he wants us to stay on this.

	     Q	  Let's do gays in the military.  (Laughter.)

	     Q	  No, he got out of that swamp.

	     Q	  I think we've gotten the bottom line on that VAT.
Reggie Bartholomew, your Special Ambassador in Belgrade, today said
that if the Serbs do not accept the agreement that has been worked
out -- quote -- "We will do our part to pursue the lifting of the
arms embargo together with our allies."  That seems to go a bit
further than what you've just said --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Sounds almost exactly what I just
said.

	     Q	  Well, do you accept -- in other words, you accept
what Reggie --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, the President has said that
this is something that's under consideration.  It is something he
will consider if the current actions don't bring the Serbs to the
table.

	     Q	  Isn't there some kind of timetable here?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Yes, there is a timetable.  There's
going to be a vote on the U.N. resolution in about 10 days.

	     Q	  That's on sanctions, that's on tightening the
sanctions.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  That's right, that's sanctions.
And we believe that that will ratchet up the pressure, and we hope
that that will bring the Serbs to the table.  As you know, Mr.
Bartholomew also met with Mr. Churkin of Russia, and they are also
working on ways to bring the Serbs to the table.  We will continue to
pressure them in many different ways and this is one possible option
as well.

	     Q	  The question is whether there's a timetable for
consideration or a vote on a decision on lifting the arms embargo,
not the sanctions.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The next vote in the U.N. is on
sanctions.  As far as I know, there are no votes scheduled on lifting
the arms embargo.  But it is something that we have discussed both
internally and with our allies.

	     Q	  Why did Reggie Bartholomew tell the Serbs that the
U.S. would do that?  What was the point of his telling them that?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, clearly, I mean, this is
something that's under consideration, and this is something that we
take quite seriously if they do not come to the table.  They should
know the consequences of failing to come to the table.

	     Q	  Have they been given a deadline?

	     Q	  Warren Christopher has been saying the same thing
and it hasn't seemed to change the Serbs' behavior in the least.  Why
should the Serbs take any heed of a threat to lift the arms embargo
when so far everything that's been done has had no effect on the
fighting in Bosnia?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I just don't accept the premise of
your question.  It has had an effect; the embargo is having an
effect.

	     Q	  What effect?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  If the Serbians choose not to heed
our warnings, then they will face the consequences.

	     Q	  What effect has it had in Bosnia?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, the effect that it has had on
the Serbians, it has tightened up -- they are not getting their
shipments through.  We can brief more fully --

	     Q	  In Bosnia, George.  In Bosnia what effect has it
had?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, it's hard to say if it's
stopped the aggression to date.  That is why we're continuing to
press for the Serbians to stop.  But we believe that over time we
will continue to weaken the Serbs and that will have   an effect.
I'm not saying it's going to happen overnight; it clearly hasn't
happened overnight.  But we believe that over time the sanctions can
weaken the Serbs.  If it fails to work and if the Serbs fail to come
to the negotiating table, we'll move forward with the embargo.

	     Q	  Isn't there a working deadline, George, of the 24th
-- the same date as the U.N. -- the scheduled U.N. vote?  Hasn't the
United States said, along with many of the other NATO allies, that if
the Serbs aren't willing to sign on to the peace accord by then, that
we'll seek -- haven't we said that we will seek --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  We've said continually we're going
to --

	     Q	  But on that deadline?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't have a specific date, but
we're going to move forward with the resolution, the U.N. resolution,
by around that time.  And if that fails to take effect, if that fails
to bring the Serbs to the table, we will clearly consider other
actions.

	     Q	  Isn't this awfully incremental?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  We're taking a step-by-step
approach.  We're ratcheting up the pressure and we're going to
continue to do that.

	     Q	  Is there a possibility, George, that by the time
all these incremental steps are taken the Serbs will have achieved
their goals and then what's the purpose?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think the purpose is to get the
Serbs to stop the aggression.  We are pursuing that goal on many
different fronts.  We are pursuing it through the U.N.; we're
pursuing it through direct talks; we are pursuing it through
tightening the sanctions.  And we will consider lifting the arms
embargo.  We are turning the screws up on the Serbs and we will
continue to do that.

	     Q	  But if the efforts have been unsuccessful in
getting the Serbs to stop the aggression how effective will any
campaign be to have the Serbs give back what they've gained?  I mean,
once they're entrenched --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I can't speculate on that.  We're
going to continue to press for them to come to the table now.  We're
going to continue to find ways to stop the aggression.  But I can't
see into the future.

	     Q	  George, on the stimulus package, House Republicans
say they're going to hold a series of town meetings on Saturday to
try and explain the details of your package.  They cite polls which
show that the more people learn about it, the less they like it.
What's your strategy to counter that?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The strategy we have is the one
we're going to continue.  As you saw, the President today pointed up
the very real benefits of the summer jobs program that this package
will provide:  700,000 new summer jobs this summer for kids in inner
cities and suburbs to do productive work.  We are also going to point
out the benefits of the highway money, the investments in highways.
We're going to point up the benefits of immunization.  We're going to
point up the benefits of Head Start.  We are going to say that the
Republicans have a choice:  they can take action to create jobs or
they can perpetuate the gridlock of the last four years.

	     Q	  Does it concern you, though, that the House now,
the House Republicans are after you as well as the Senate?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The House Republicans voted against
it before.  They made a mistake then; they're making a mistake now.

	     Q	  George, does it strike anybody in the
administration that it's a bit strong to describe, as the President
did this morning, the summer jobs program as -- quote -- "a
reaffirmation of a promise of America"?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Not at all.  I think it's the
promise of America to give kids a chance to reach their full
potential.

	     Q	  Government-funded jobs?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  To give people a chance to work?
Absolutely.  That is the promise of America.

	     Q	  I want to follow up on something I asked yesterday
-- where does 700,000 summer jobs, where does that figure come from?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  That is on top of.  I did look at
it.  There are currently 600,000 summer jobs in the pipeline.  This
will be on top of the 600,000, so it will be a total of 1.3 million.

	     Q	  The 700,000 would be created by the stimulus
package?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Yes.

	     Q	  Where does that number come from?  Because we've
been told all along that the stimulus package would create 500,000
new jobs.  And according to Panetta, that breaks down to something
like 200,000 full-time jobs and 150,000 summer jobs.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Yes, but the summer -- that's when
you do their full-time equivalence.  I mean, 700,000 individuals will
receive jobs this summer.  When you calculate it for the full-time
job effect, you have to do -- I don't know what the exact formula is.

	     Q	  Seven hundred thousand part-time jobs --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  -- 150,000 or --

	     Q	  One to four because it's three months.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Thank you.

	     Q	  Can I follow up on that?  Did the President
misspeak this morning when he said that some of the government money
for these summer jobs will pay for private -- for kids to work in the
private sector?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Not necessarily.  I mean, I think
that there will be grants available.  That's one of the ways that you
pay for the jobs.  At the same time, he's also issued a challenge to
the private sector to hire kids on their own as well.

	     Q	  Tax dollars, for instance, would pay for kids to
work at Time-Warner?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think the Time-Warner is actually
somebody coming forward and actually doing a grant.  That's going to
be the bulk of it.  There could be isolated instances, though, where
there would be grants to businesses.

	     Q	  Has the President spoken with any Senate
Republicans this week?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:
No, but there's been a lot of contact with Senate Republicans in the
White House.

	     Q	  At a lower level.  But the President hasn't?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The President has not, no.

	     Q	  Getting any closer to get the votes?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  We're continuing to work on it.

	     Q	  Anybody leaning your way?

	     Q	  On Haiti, The New York Times seems to be reporting
something of a breakthrough in Aristide's attitude towards the coup
leaders.  Can you confirm that there has been this change, and what
impact will it have on the process?  And what did Pezzullo have to
say yesterday in his report?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Pezzullo did brief the principals.
I can't confirm what's actually happening in the talks.  I would
leave that to the negotiators themselves.  But Mr. Caputo has
returned to Haiti.  We have received a briefing here at the White
House from Ambassador Pezzullo.  And as we have said time and time
again, we believe that assurances of security are important to a
final resolution to a broader political settlement.

	     Q	  George, yesterday you offered some selective
breakdowns of how the stimulus would impact some states and cities.
Can we get a complete breakdown by state of how these jobs would be
impacted?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think we have it for most states,
yes.  And I think we can get it out.

	     Q	  Could you make that generally available?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I believe we can.

	     Q	  And could you do it by the component of the
stimulus?  In other words --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know if we can do -- I know
that we can do it by summer jobs and other jobs.  I don't know how
deeply it can be broken down.  But clearly, we can break it down into
summer jobs and other jobs.

	     Q	  And can I follow up?  Is this the information that
Jeff Eller and the rest of the White House is using in the ads in the
states?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know if they're ads, but
they're press releases.

	     Q	  Can you describe what those press releases contain?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  All we're doing is pointing out the
benefits of this package to various states.  For instance, I know
that today Senator Dole is heading up to Vermont and New Hampshire.
And I would point out that the stimulus package, the jobs package
creates 1,000 jobs in Vermont.  It creates 2,000 jobs in New
Hampshire.  And the people of those states should remind him that
this is important.

	     Q	  Where are the releases going?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  They go to the states.

	     Q	  To whom?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  We can get them.  It's no problem.

	     Q	  Can we get it?

	     Q	  Why don't you put them out here as well?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think we can.

	     Q	  This afternoon?  Would that be possible?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'll have to check.  I don't know.
But as soon as we can.

	     Q	  Are you focusing these press releases on states
where there are moderate or pragmatic Republican senators?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think we're trying to get as many
as we can.  It's actually quite difficult to pull this together and
we're doing our best.  We're putting them out as we get them.

	     Q	  Why are you so closely tracking Senator Dole's
schedule?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I was just following it.

	     Q	  Are press releases going along to states where he's
visiting?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'm not sure.  I think that
probably there are press releases going to Vermont.  (Laughter.)

	     Q	  Will there be a man in a chicken suit waiting?
(Laughter.)

	     Q	  George, as the President goes about the business of
defending what's in his stimulus package, he doesn't address what
seems to be the Republicans' main point, that you're funding it with
deficit spending rather than "if it's so important, why not come up
with the funding for it" seems to be the Republican argument.  And
how do you answer that?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  What was answer is, we are paying
for it over time.  And if you look at our budget, we pay for this
package over time.  We believe right now the economy needs a jump-
start for jobs.

	     Q	  You're not claiming, are you, that that doesn't add
to the deficit this year?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'm saying we're paying for it over
time.  I didn't say that.

	     Q	  I know that, George.  But I mean, from the
beginning, the question -- we do have annual budgets and things --
deficit spending will pay for that this year, will it not?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  This year they clearly will.  But
over time our budget fully pays for this program.

	     Q	  What you're saying is that there are savings that
would cover this if it were this year in future years?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Absolutely.  That's exactly what I
said.

	     Q	  I know that, but there is going to be outstanding
debt, it will add to the national debt from this year --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  No, we're reducing the deficit by
$500 billion -- $514 billion over the next four years.

	     Q	  You mean you're reducing it below what it would
have been?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Exactly.

	     Q	  In fact, you're adding a very large amount to the
national debt over the period of --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  But we're reducing it far more from
what it would have been.  That's true.

	     Q	  Washington-type reduction.  (Laughter.)

	     Q	  You're getting to be a grumpy old man.

	     Q	  George, has any decision been made about the White
House or the President's participation in the gay rights march coming
up in a week and a half?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  We're working on the President's
schedule now.  I believe he's going to be at the Senate Democratic
retreat in Jamestown that weekend.

	     Q	  Will he address it by phone?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know about that.  It's a
little far out, but I believe he's going to be in the Senate retreat.

	     Q	  So will he have the leaders in a day or two before
the speech?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know.  I would expect that
at some point he would meet with the leaders of some of these groups.
I don't know the schedule on it, though.

	     Q	  Will there be an AIDS czar appointed prior to or in
conjunction with the event?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'm just not sure.

	     Q	  April 22nd is Earth Day.  What is the President
going to do to mark that, and is it the case that he is going to sign
the biodiversity treaty that day?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I know there's been some work on
the biodiversity treaty.  I don't know about signing it that day, but
I would expect he'll have a statement on Earth Day or right around
then.

	     Q	  Where is the work on the biodiversity treaty?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'd have to check with Katie
McGinty.  I just know that there's been some work done, but I don't
know exactly what.

	     Q	  When is Earth Day?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The 22nd, I think.

	     Q	  Why is it you know that he is going to have a
statement on Earth Day but you don't know if he's going to have a
statement on the gay rights march?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I said I don't know if he's going
to meet or when he's going to meet.

	     Q	  Do you have a statement on the gay rights march?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't, actually, no.  I wouldn't
be surprised if he did, though.

	     Q	  Do you have some details on the Miyazawa visit?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  It's a working visit on Friday and
the President is looking forward to that in discussing a number of
issues including Russian aid and the Japanese stimulus package and
the trade issues between the two countries.

	     Q	  There was some expectations that a second aid
package to Russia was going to be unveiled at the G-7 meeting and, if
I understand, it hasn't happened.  Why is that or what's the status
on that?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The G-7 meeting is still going on
and, as you know, Secretaries Bentsen and Christopher have talked
about the outlines of a possible package.  But we're going to
continue to consult with Congress and our G-7 allies on that.

	     Q?	    We will not then make any kind of announcement
during the two-day meeting?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The meeting's not over yet.

	     Q	  Is that when you're going to make one?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'm not ruling out the possibility.

	     Q	     the President's going to announce it tomorrow.

	     Q	  Bentsen said that.

	     Q	  Yes, Bentsen said it would be tomorrow.

	     Q	  So did Christopher.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'd have to look at that, but I
believe it is more likely that the announcement will come out of
Tokyo.

	     Q	  George, has there been further consideration here
about going to -- sending the President out to Los Angeles?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know that there's -- it's
not something we've ruled out.  We don't have a date set for it.

	     Q	  George, you all have a position or do you support
Immigration's plan to settle 4,000 Iraqi prisoners in the United
States?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  It's the first I've heard of it.

	     Q	  George, there was a report today about the --

	     Q	  Fortunately.  (Laughter.)

	     Q	     about the pace of appointments and says that
President Clinton is behind President Bush in the number of positions
that people have been nominated for.  Are you going to speed up the
pace of nominations or where do you stand with it?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  We filled 814 of the President's
appointments.  And it's broken down -- we have 384 Schedule C; 147
noncareer SES; 213 PAS full-time.  I'm not sure what that means --
(laughter) -- 70 PA full-time.  And this is about the same -- it's
about the same pace of President Bush.  Obviously, as you move along
farther, once you -- each level of appointment actually has a
multiplier effect and frees up far more appointments.  So we expect
the process to speed up.  But we're at the pace of Bush.  Obviously
we'd like to get these done as quickly as possible.

	     I would point out that the FBI background checks and the
background check is far more comprehensive and it takes more time
than our predecessors, and that is part of the holdup.  But we're
working on it.

	     Q	  Is that because of Nannygate?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think that's an awful big part of
it, yes.

	     Q	  In the story this morning, you were at
approximately the same pace as Bush in making appointments, but way
behind in winning confirmations.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  That's where the background checks
comes into play.  That's the problem.

	     Q	  That's the background checks problem?  Because I
mean, you have a Democratic Senate --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  No, that's not the -- you make the
appointments, and then it takes quite a bit of time to fill out all
the forms and have the background checks done.  That's exactly where
the problem is.

	     Q	  What's the President doing this afternoon, and
what's on the plan for tomorrow?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  He's got some meetings -- just
office meetings this afternoon for the most part, on a variety of
issues that -- probably a half-dozen different issues.  And then
he'll be -- tomorrow we'll have an event, probably again focused on
the stimulus and jobs package out of here at the White House.  And
Friday is the Miyazawa meeting.

	     Q	  Will you be releasing his tax return tomorrow,
George?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Either tomorrow or Friday.

	     Q	  Is there going to be a pre-briefing regarding the
Japanese Prime Minister's visit tomorrow?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know about tomorrow, but
we'll probably get something done, as we usually do, for these
visits.

	     Q	  Was Reverend Jackson here this morning and do you
know what that was about?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  He was here.  He met with a group
of us here at the White House, including Mack McLarty.

	     Q	  Who?

	     Q	  Reverend Jackson.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Reverend Jackson.  Mack McLarty,
me, Gene Sperling, Bruce Reed, Jeff Watson, Mark Gearan.

	     Q	  Talking about Haiti?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  We talked about general urban
policy.  He is about to go to Los Angeles.  He was just back from
Mississippi, where we had a good victory last night; and he's going
on to Los Angeles.

	     Q	  Did he request the meeting?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Actually, no.  He's in continual
contact with the President.  He had written a letter on a variety of
issues, and so we asked him to come in and talk about it.

	     Q	  George, Dole is having a fundraiser for Jeffords
tonight in Vermont.  Have you guys been  in contact with Jeffords at
all on this?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I think there's been some contact,
sure.

	     Q	  Can you tell us about the contacts?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I'm not sure --

	     Q	  Do you know who contacted him or what was said?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I know that Howard Paster talked to
him and they just has a general talk about the package.

	     Q	  And did he express his support for it now, or is he
--

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I can't divulge the details of the
conversation, but there have been conversations.

	     Q	  The L.A. Times is reporting that abortion --
elective abortions is likely to be included in the basic health care
package.  Is this something the President is considering?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Again --

	     Q	  Along with the VAT?  (Laughter.)

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  It's certainly something that's
been looked at, but no decisions have been made.

	     Q	  What was the question?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  The L.A. Times story on whether
abortions will be covered by the President's health plan.

	     Q	  Did the President in his meeting -- did you in your
meeting with Reverend Jackson ask his advice, solicit his advice
about what kind of stance the White House should take in the wake of
the verdict in L.A.?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, we certainly talked about the
situation in Los Angeles and the long-term prospects for economic
development and other issues.

	     Q	  For instance, did you discuss whether it would be
helpful for the President to go there or not?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, we discussed a wide range of
issues related to Los Angeles.  That was certainly one of them.

	     Q	  Letting you perhaps go out on the way you came in,
I need to go back to Bosnia just for a second and ask --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Oh, good.

	     Q	     your reaction to Margaret Thatcher's comments
that you're just sitting by and watching a massacre.

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, we've been pushing very hard
on a number of fronts for more aggressive action.  We will continue
to do that.

	     Q	  Can you tell us if you've made any progress in your
talks on the stimulus package getting a compromise?  I mean, we don't
have any feel except talks are ongoing.  Have you talked to like 20
people or --

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I don't know the numbers.  We've
talked to several people and we've had wide-ranging sessions.

	     Q	  Anyone leaning your way?

	     MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  I can't get into that.  We're just
going to keep working through Tuesday.

	     THE PRESS:  Thank you.

                                 END                    1:10 P.M. EDT


#That describes some straights -- and nearly all homosexual males.

Can you provide any evidence that doesn't ahve massive selection
effects?

No, I thought not.

Just slander on your part.


Here is a copy of my first update on the Randy Weaver trial.
After a large response (about 15 email messages), I've decided
that there is sufficient interest here on t.p.g. to warrant
posting.

*** file follows ***

Hi Folks;

As perhaps the only Boise resident on the list, I guess it
kind of falls on me to keep people updated about the
Randy Weaver/Kevin Harris trial.

Yesterday marked the seating of the jury.  Apparently no other
legal activities occurred.  The jury was selected and things
start today.

More interesting is what happenned outside.  About a dozen
Weaver supporters showed up to stage a protest outside the
courthouse.  One woman carried a sign that read, "Who stands
trial for the murder of Vicki and (son's name - I forget)
Weaver?"  On the evening news she said, "I am here protesting
because I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
I thought we all did."  Nice sound bite (grin)!

The news reporter also interviewed some guy named "Tim"
who refused to give his last name.  Not to prejudge the
guy, but he looked like a neo-nazi.  He also said he
expected many neo-nazis to show up throughout the trial.
"Tim" had been handing out leaflets in support of Weaver
and Harris and the news had footage of a Boise cop
telling him to move along or he'd arrest.  I don't know
the finer points of this one.  Perhaps there's a law
against political activity within X feet of a courthouse
or something (what happenned to the First Amendment?!?).

Most ominous of all was that the local reporter filmed
an agent of the Gestapo...err...ATF with a minicam
FILMING THE PROTESTORS!  Welcome to the world of Big Brother.

Anyhow, Gerry Spence came out and asked the protestors to
leave because he didn't think it would help Weaver's case
any.  He said he was confident that, once the evidence
came out, that Weaver would be aquitted.

More stuff as it comes available.


Hi!

	Anyone know anything about the Interdisciplinary Bible Research
Institute, operating out of Hatfield, Pa?

	I'm really interested in their theories on old-earth
(as opposed to young earth) and what they believe about evolution.

	Thanks,
		In the Master,

		Charley.

--
       Seek God and you will find, among other things,
                          piercing pleasure.

       Seek pleasure and you will find boredom, disillusionment
                      and enslavement.

                               John White (Eros Defiled).


I have a Hewlett-Packard LaserJet Series II Paper Tray for sale.
Its letter size (8.5 - 11), brand new in the box and never used.
I'm asking $40.00 (bought new at Ballard Computer for $65.95)


definitely a lemur.

Elvis couldn't spell,  just listen to any of his songs.


Is the film from the "putt-putt" test vehicle which used conventional
explosives as a proof-of-concept test, or another one?


BTW, the X11 tools come as sources. The sillyness of most vendors lets you
stuck with binaries.

Anyway, have a look onto xgrab/xgrabsc. It does the IMHO best job for
this, including compression.


I believe that the "A-D converters" found on a joystick port are really
timers that tick off how long it takes an R-C circuit (the R being your
paddle) to charge up to something like 1/2 Vcc.  For games this works
pretty well, but you certainly wouldn't want to try to take lab
measurements off something as non-linear as that.

Hmm... I suppose you could linearize it in software, but the real problem
is that the precision of your measurement is no longer constant (higher
voltages would be more precise).

On the other hand, I could be wrong and perhaps the game card designers
splurged for the extra $.50 to make a cheap constant current source out of
an op amp.  But I wouldn't expect that...


FM-2 has been sold.

Following remains:


Exactly when will the hover test be done, and will any of the TV
networks carry it.  I really want to see that...


[..]

Hello.  Firstly, what do you exactly mean by "fundamentalist"?  I will
for the time being assume that what you mean is that your friend believes
that the bible is God's word to mankind?  I suspect that what happened
to him is what he'll call being "born again"?  Anyway, was that recent?
If the answer is "yes" to all the questions above, it is quite
understandable.  However, IMO, I'ld rather give advice to your friend!
I think I've been through something similar to him, and one thing I can
say is that the basic problem is that each of you are now trying to
communicate from different worldviews.  Why he talks about those things
is because they are now "obvious" to him.  What is "obvious" to him is
not obvious to you.  Secondly, why he may be very persuasive is because
from his point of view, he has been on "both sides of the fence".  This
I mean that before he turned "fundamentalist", you two are agreeable
because both of you see things from the same side.  If suddenly, as if
a new world of reality has suddenly opened up to him, it is like the
discovery of let's say a new continent, or a new planet.  To him, he's
got to tell you because he has seen something much more wonderful than
where he was, and what he thinks is much better than where you are now.
You have got to realise that from his point of view, he means well to
you, eventhough he may end up offending you.  To him, it is worth that
risk.  Nevertheless, it is really up to him to respect where you stand
and listen to you as well.  At this moment, it may be difficult because
he is either very excited or feel it is too urgent to keep quiet about,
however, he may not realise that he's really putting you off.

[...]

So far, I've only been trying to explain things from his side.  However,
I do understand how you feel too, because I wasn't a Christian for a good
part of my life as well.  I was quite turned off by Christians or
"fundamentalists" who were really all out and enthusiastic about their
faith.  They really scared me, to tell you the truth.  Unfortunately,
"religious belief" is a very personal thing, just as your agnosticism
is also a very personal thing to you.  Since the Christian belief is
inevitably at odds with anything non-Christian (religious or otherwise),
it will be a touchy matter.  Like all friendships, it will take both
sides to do their part to make it work.  In this matter, maybe you can
do your part by telling him nicely that you are not able to dig what he's
trying to convince you about, that it's beyond you or not your concern
"for now".  Don't tell him it's nonsense, because to him it is reality -
and that would be a real insult.  He'll also have to be careful not to
insult where you stand too.

Like I said before, I wish I could give your friend some advice too.
I'll admit that I did similarly to some of my friends when I became a
Christian.  In some ways, I wish I could have done things a little
differently.  However, it was difficult then because I was so excited
and just blabbered away about what I've found!  To me, it was too good
not to know.  To some, I was crazy, and I didn't really care most of
the time what they thought.  You will probably think he's crazy too -
but God is very real to him, as real as you are to him.  Keep that in
mind.  And he thinks he can convince you because since God is so real
to him, he doesn't see why God can't be real to you too.

I don't know how helpful this is to you.  But all the best anyhow -
this is quite a challenge for you to face.  By the way, personal
conviction: nobody is "beyond saving" except the one we call the
devil and his hosts.


I went to Staples in Framingham, MA, today, and grabbed the info-sheet on the
450 bundle.
  For a mere $1897.00, you get:

-25 megahertz 68030 microprocessor
-4M of RAM
-120M hard disk
-1.4M floppy disk drive
-built in support for 256 colors, expandable to 32,000 colors
-1 expansion slot
-keyboard and mouse
-14" display
-0.29 mm dot pitch for extra-sharp text and graphics
-640 x 480 pixels
-microphone and speaker
-Macintosh System 7 software for Performa computers version 7.1P
-At Ease, Macintosh PC Exchange, and Quicktime software
-Global Village Teleport fax/modem , send fax only

_Service and support
	-1 year limited warranty
	-1 year of in-home service
	-toll free help line support

-Pre-installed software:
	-WordPerfect Works
	-Best of ClickArt Collection
	-Touchbase
	-Datebook
	-Bestbooks
	-The Amereican Heritage Dictionary
	-Correct Grammar
	-Apple Special Edition of American Online with free trial membership
	-CheckFree electronic bill-payment software
	-Spectre Challenger
	-Scrabble

Editor's Note:  The spec sheet I have list's the microprocessor as a "38030",
                but I corrected that.  Didn't want to confuse anybody...


Is anyone familiar with a virus that infects the WINHELP.EXE file?

I have recently noticed some unusual system behavior and ran
Norton AntiVirus for WINDOWS.  It indicated a possible unknown
virus in the WINHELP.EXE file in both the MWINDOWS and WINOS2
directories.  Neither file changed since I installed my OS/2
system in January as far as I know.

Any information about this possible virus and suggestions on
remedies would be greatly appreciated.


The message from the NIST about the clipper chip comes from the
following address:

	clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement)

Just who is that, I asked myself, or rather, I asked the computer.

    % telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov 25
    Trying...
    Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov.
    Escape character is '^]'.
    220 first.org sendmail 4.1/NIST ready at Sat, 17 Apr 93 20:42:56 EDT
    expn clipper
    250-<csspab@mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov>
    250-<denning@cs.georgetown.edu>
    250-<hoffman@seas.gwu.edu>
    250-<mkapor@eff.org>
    250-<rotenberg@cpsr.org>
    250-<rivest@mit.edu>
    250-<mhellman@stanford.edu>
    250-<alanrp@aol.com>
    250-<dparker@sri.com>
    250-<jim@rsa.com>
    250-<branstad@tis.com>
    250 <mgrsplus@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov>
    quit
    221 first.org closing connection
    Connection closed.

Well, isn't that interesting.  Dorothy Denning, Mitch Kapor, Marc
Rotenberg, Ron Rivest, Jim Bidzos, and others.  The Government, RSA,
TIS, CPSR, and the EFF are all represented.  I don't suppose anybody
within any of these organizations would care to comment?  Or is this
just the White House's idea of a cruel joke on these peoples' inboxes?

		Marc


Or have different classes of competetors.. and made the total purse $6billion
or $7billion (depending on how many different classes there are, as in auto
racing/motocycle racing and such)..


No, VGALIB?  Amazing..  I guess it was lost in all those subdirs :-)
Thanks for correcting me.  It doesn't sound very appealing though, only
320x200?  I'm glad it wasn't something major I missed.


long
disk

I don't know how many times I've posted this the net.  No one EVER
listens.

Once and for all:  Floptical Media is only $1.40 a megabyte if you don't
know where to buy it.  I am bying my flopticals at $30 per 2 disks.  I
see that as $.75 a meagabyte, NOT $1.40.  No, I'm not buying in bulk, I'm
not getting a special deal.  $.75 a meg is good in my book, Approching
floppy price.

Any questions on my source can be sent to ctr@po.cwru.edu.


Somewhere (ftp.cica.indiana.edu or SIMTEL20 mirror) there is a program
called winlogo.zip that does the trick. It works great. I believe the
reason why you can't change the files you mentioned is that the logo is
actually imbeded into the windows executable (Somebody please
correct/expand on this)

-Eric


Aargh!

Paul Stewart is the worst and most biased ref. presently in the NHL.
He called a total of 4 penalties on the Habs and one on the Nordiques.
The Nords' penalty came in O.T.  Stewart, being an ex-Nordique himself,
was looking to call penalties on the Habs while letting the Nords
get away with murder...WE WAS ROBBED!!!!

It was an excellent game with plenty of end-to-end rushes and tremendous
goalkeeping.  The Nords tied it with over 1 minute to go while Lebeau
was serving a penalty.  I don't mind Stewart calling a penalty in the
last 5 min. of the game, but AT LEAST BE FAIR ABOUT IT.  The Nords were
caught with their hand in the cookie jar more than once.  Stewart turned
the other cheek...BASTARD!

Patrick Roy collapsed after letting in the tieing goal. He was shaky and
on his knees for the rest of the night.  The winning goal shouldn't have
gone in.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming the loss on Stewart.  The Habs had
plenty of chances to capitalize, Muller, LeClair, Haller, etc. but
failed to put the puck in the net.  That's what did them in.  But
Mr. Stewart didn't help matters at all.

Oh well, at least the Bruins lost in O.T. also Ha, Ha!!--)

                               ,,,
                              (0-0)
============================oOO(_)OOo===================================
The Czar of Mainframe Computing <JBE5@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>
McGill University

 --> I'M TOO SEXY FOR COBOL.

---> Habs...will beat the Nords in 7!!!!

---> Let's Go Expos!
             ===========================================
             | Hickory, dickory doc,                   |
             | She took a good look at your cock.      |
             | It's really scary all rinkled and hairy,|
             | It smells like a 10 year old sock!      |
             |           --Andrew Dice Clay            |
             ===========================================


This chip would take 25ns to return valid data after being issued an address.

Refresh time (none for SRAM, as you pointed out) is a different parameter,
and is not generally referred to except by motherboard designers.


Can anybody tell me if they know where I can obtain the source code for
a polygon filling algorithm, or any other graphics orientated mailing lists
that may be able to help me.

Thanks, Paul.
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ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu                  Eric J. Olson
emcguire@intellection.com               Ed McGuire
ewc@hplb.hpl.hp.com                     Enrico Coiera
feathr::bluejay@ampakz.enet.dec.com
franklig@GAS.uug.Arizona.EDU            Gregory C Franklin
FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu                  Hardcore Alaskan
gabe@angus.mi.org                       Gabe Helou
gasp@medg.lcs.mit.edu                   Isaac Kohane
gasp@medg.lcs.mit.edu                   Isaac Kohane
Geir.Millstein@TF.tele.no
ggurman@cory.Berkeley.EDU               Gail Gurman
ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US                 Gregory G. Woodbury
greenlaw@oasys.dt.navy.mil              Leila Thomas
grm+@andrew.cmu.edu                     Gretchen Miller
halderc@cs.rpi.edu
HANDELAP%DUVM.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU Phil Handel
hansenr@ohsu.EDU
hc@Nyongwa.cam.org                      hc
heddings@chrisco.nrl.navy.mil           Hubert Heddings
herbison@lassie.ucx.lkg.dec.com         B.J.
hmpetro@mosaic.uncc.edu                 Herbert M Petro
HOSCH2263@iscsvax.uni.edu
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu              Herman Rubin
HUDSOIB@AUDUCADM.DUC.AUBURN.EDU         Ingrid B. Hudson
huff@MCCLB0.MED.NYU.EDU                 Edward J. Huff
huffman@ingres.com                      Gary Huffman
HUYNH_1@ESTD.NRL.NAVY.MIL               Minh Huynh
ishbeld@cix.compulink.co.uk             Ishbel Donkin
James.Langdell@Eng.Sun.COM              James Langdell
jamyers@netcom.com                      John A. Myers
jc@crosfield.co.uk                      jerry cullingford
jesup@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com          Randell Jesup
jjmorris@gandalf.rutgers.edu            Joyce Morris
joep@dap.csiro.au                       Joe Petranovic
John.Burton@acenet.auburn.edu           John E. Burton Jr.
johncha@comm.mot.com
JORGENSONKE@CC.UVCC.EDU
jpsum00@mik.uky.edu                     joey p sum
JTM@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu                     John Maynard
julien@skcla.monsanto.com
kaminski@netcom.com                     Peter Kaminski
kerry@citr.uq.oz.au                     Kerry Raymond
kieran@world.std.com                    Aaron L Dickey
knauer@cs.uiuc.edu                      Rob Knauerhase
kolar@spot.Colorado.EDU                 Jennifer Lynn Kolar
kriguer@tcs.com                         Marc Kriguer
lau@ai.sri.com                          Stephen Lau
lee@hal.com                             Lee Boylan
lmt6@po.cwru.edu
lunie@Lehigh.EDU
lusgr@chili.CC.Lehigh.EDU               Stephen G. Roseman
M.Beamish@ins.gu.edu.au                 Marilyn Beamish
M.Rich@ens.gu.edu.au                    Maurice H. Rich.
maas@cdfsga.fnal.gov                    Peter Maas
macridis_g@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz           Gerry Macridis
markv@hpvcivm.vcd.hp.com                Mark Vanderford
MASCHLER@vms.huji.ac.il
mcb@net.bio.net                         Michael C. Berch
mcday@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
mcookson@flute.calpoly.edu
mfc@isr.harvard.edu                     Mauricio F Contreras
mg@wpi.edu                              Martha Gunnarson
mhollowa@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu         Michael Holloway
misha@abacus.concordia.ca               MISHA GLOUBERMAN
mjb@cs.brown.edu                        Manish Butte
MOFLNGAN@vax1.tcd.ie
muir@idiom.berkeley.ca.us               David Muir Sharnoff
Nancy.Block@Eng.Sun.COM                 Nancy Block
ndallen@r-node.hub.org                  Nigel Allen
nlr@B31.nei.nih.gov                     Rohrer, Nathan
owens@cookiemonster.cc.buffalo.edu      Bill Owens
pams@hpfcmp.fc.hp.com                   Pam Sullivan
papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca    Paul Prescod
paslowp@cs.rpi.edu
pillinc@gov.on.ca                       Christopher Pilling
pkane@cisco.com                         Peter Kane
popelka@odysseus.uchicago.edu           Glenn Popelka
pulkka@cs.washington.edu                Aaron Pulkka
pwatkins@med.unc.edu                    Pat Watkins
rbnsn@mosaic.shearson.com               Ken Robinson
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu            Richard H. Miller
robyn@media.mit.edu                     Robyn Kozierok
rolf@green.mathematik.uni-stuttgart.de  Rolf Schreiber
sageman@cup.portal.com
sasjcs@unx.sas.com                      Joan Stout
SCOTTJOR@delphi.com
scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com
scs@vectis.demon.co.uk                  Stuart C. Squibb
shan@techops.cray.com                   Sharan Kalwani
sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com         Sharen A. Rund
shazam@unh.edu                          Matthew T Thompson
shipman@csab.larc.nasa.gov              Floyd S. Shipman
shoppa@ERIN.CALTECH.EDU                 Tim Shoppa
slillie@cs1.bradley.edu                 Susan Lillie
steveo@world.std.com                    Steven W Orr
surendar@ivy.WPI.EDU                    Surendar Chandra
swkirch@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil            Steven Kirchoefer
S_FAGAN@twu.edu
TARYN@ARIZVM1.ccit.arizona.edu          Taryn L. Westergaard
Thomas.E.Taylor@gagme.chi.il.us         Thomas E Taylor
tima@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM                Timothy D Aanerud
tsamuel%gollum@relay.nswc.navy.mil      Tony Samuel
U45301@UICVM.UIC.EDU                    M. Jacobs
vstern@gte.com                          Vanessa Stern
wahlgren@haida.van.wti.com              James Wahlgren
waterfal@pyrsea.sea.pyramid.com         Douglas Waterfall
weineja1@teomail.jhuapl.edu
wgrant@informix.com                     William Grant
YEAGER@mscf.med.upenn.edu
yozzo@watson.ibm.com                    Ralph E. Yozzo
Z919016@beach.utmb.edu                  Molly Hamilton


Try Parts Express in Dayton, Ohio also.  They have a complete line of
professional arcade buttons, joysticks etc...

The have a 1-800 number so call 1-800-555-1212 and ask them what the 1-800
number for Part Express in Dayton, Ohio is.  I love the free 1-800 directory
assistance...

                                                               - Dan
--
             Daniel Joseph Rubin     rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu


: This may be the dumbest question of the year, but is there a
: way to 'piggyback' or expand a 6-slot motherboard (all 16-bit)
: to get the usual 8?  My case has slots for 8, and I'd like to
: get a scanner, but with all my other cards I'm already max'd out!
: I'm hoping that a simple solution exists, e.g. an adapter that turns

I'm not sure if this will work, but how about using one of those 'T' expanders
used in the low-profile cases.  They allow 3-5 slots staggered on either
side of the card.  You can install it in the last slot, and then (probably)
have 2 or 3 sideways slots.  This is actually how it is done in the low
profile cases - a standard motherboard, the 'T' connector in one slot,
and the expansion cards plugged into the 'T'.  I guess you could do this at
each end of the slots (1 & 8) to add even more.

The 'T' connectors are simply tracks with slots on them - no electronics
on it.  The only downside - your case won't close, but for a homebrew system,
that may not be a problem.

Don't know about performance, though.  I'll leave that discussion to the
engineers.


I am looking for comments on Xtree (Pro ??) for Windows.  I am
thinking of buying the product but I have not even seen it yet.

Thank you...

     Shane Holland

                            holland@ug.cs.dal.ca

--


Henrik (?),

Your ignorance manifests itself in an awkward form of intransigence. I'm not
going to spend time to review with you the recent history of Cyprus. If you are
really interested, I can provide you with a number of references on the issue.
Just send me EMail for that.

Relax! You're swinging fists into open air... I was *agreeing* with you,
assuming that would be one of your points that you did not state! You may
not be very much used to it, to be agreed with - that is, but take it more
easily.  !:-)

No, Henrik, believe me: You don't hope that.

Was that after or before one French plane changed its route to avoid
inspection???

--
Onur Yalcin
oyalcin@iastate.edu


JS>From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

JS>In article <1pppnrINNitg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>,
JS>>
JS>> How about a decal of thicker vinyl?

JS>  How about a Geeky temporary tatoo?  I mean, why should the
JS>  RUBs be exempt from a little razzing.

That's sick! I want!

You make 'em up, I promise to order. I wannabe Badtothebone!

The cheesy "Live to Ride" eagles are sitting on my shelf, waiting for
the big ride down the coast. (It now looks like we may hit points
farther south than expected. How do I get in contact with Bay Area
Denizens? Replies to address below. Me n' Charlie will be along in early
or mid May.)

Seriously. I like the idea of temporary Geekys (Geekies? Geekae?
Geekii?). It fits the whole DoD image: it sounds bad, but it's really
worse.

Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .

JS>====================================================
JS>John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
JS>                    All standard disclaimers apply.

 * SLMR 2.1a * If Lucas built weapons, wars wouldn't start, either.


As I'm sure others will have pointed out to you by now, none of the above
measures are required for you *on your own property*.  You do not have to
have a license, your car does not have to be registered or inspected, and
you do not have to have insurance or safety training classes, when you own
and operate that vehicle on your own premises.  If you are going to make use
of this dubious analogy, at least make it accurate.  And by the way, in Texas
you can drive a car in public (with the proper credentials), but an ordinary
civilian can't carry a gun legally in public to save his/her life.

So I won't even consider registration, *manadatory* safety classes, or
*manadatory* liability insurance unless I get a federal law repealing
all local, state, and federal gun control laws which abridge the Second
Amendment, and a non-discretionary federal weapons carry permit, good
anywhere in the United States.  Come on, you wanted the analogy.

Mike Ruff


LIST OF KILLINGS IN THE NAME OF RELIGION
1. Iran-Iraq War: 1,000,000
2. Civil War in Sudan: 1,000,000
3, Riots in India-Pakistan in 1947: 1,000,000
4. Massacares in Bangladesh in 1971: 1,000,000
5. Inquistions in America in 1500s: x million (x=??)
6. Crusades: ??

I am sure that people can add a lot more to the list.
I wonder what Bobby has to say about the above.
Standard Excuses will not be accepted.
-- Naren


IMHO = in my humble opinion!!

I didn't say there was no value - all I said was that it is very confusing
to newbies.

Bill, you are kidding yourself here. Firstly, motorcycles do not steer
themselves - only the rider can do that. Secondly, it is the adhesion of the
tyre on the road, the suspension geometry  and the ground clearance of the
 motorcycle which dictate how quickly you can swerve to avoid obstacles, and
not the knowledge of physics between the rider's ears. Are you seriously
suggesting that countersteering knowledge enables you to corner faster
or more competentlY than you could manage otherwise??

Formal training in this country (as far as I am aware) does not include
countersteering theory.  I found out about countersteering about six years ago,
from a physics lecturer who was also a motorcyclist. I didn't believe him
at first when he said I steered my bike to the right to make it turn left,
but I went out and analysed closely what I was doing, and realized he was
right! It's an interesting bit of knowledge, and I've had a lot of fun since
then telling others about it, who were at first as sceptical as I was. But
that's all it is - an interesting bit of knowledge, and to claim that
it is essential for all bikers to know it, or that you can corner faster
or better as a result, is absurd.

Formal training is in my view absolutely essential if you're going to
be able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering
theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at
the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn.
And that was my original point.


Hi,

I've noticed that if you only save a model (with all your mapping planes
positioned carefully) to a .3DS file that when you reload it after restarting
3DS, they are given a default position and orientation.  But if you save
to a .PRJ file their positions/orientation are preserved.  Does anyone
know why this information is not stored in the .3DS file?  Nothing is
explicitly said in the manual about saving texture rules in the .PRJ file.
I'd like to be able to read the texture rule information, does anyone have
the format for the .PRJ file?

Is the .CEL file format available from somewhere?

Rych


Actually, Messier was invited, but declined due to nagging injuries...
Keenan and Messier have always gotten along...Keenan dumped Steve
Yzerman from the last Canada Cup team, even though Yzerman had
endured the training camp, when Messier who had missed essentially the
entire camp recovering from injuries became available at the
last moment.


AS the subject says... looking for a HP 48s or perferiably HP 48sx

Please E-mail replies.
Thanks


        Let us hope that the performance of the spacecraft follows the
sentiments of the first verse (miner) rather than the second (lost and gone
forever).


You're right.  Thanks for enlightening me.


 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	I just wanted to point out that some of the food, particularly
	the soups, are prepared in a big batch, so the restaurant
	won't be able to take the MSG out of it.  Sometimes its
	pretty hard to find out if this is the case or not.


I have seen several ray-traced scenes (from MTV or was it
RayShade??) with stroked fonts appearing as objects in the image.
The fonts/chars had color, depth and even textures associated with
them.  Now I was wondering, is it possible to do the same in POV??

Thanks,


Who wants to look through the bars at some reactionary Liberal conspiracy-
theory idiots and see how they rant and rave at the erosion of their populist
support?  This is very typical of the elitist Liberal attitude that The People
are incapable of thinking for themselves.  This elitist attitude will be the
eventual undoing of the arrogant liberal tide sweeping America, as The People
begin to realize more and more that they are being treated like errant children
and robbed of their freedoms by a bunch of Utopian arrogent socialist jerks.

Although I find myself often disagreeing with the populist rationale
of Mr. Limbaugh, I find him entertaining and I often agree with his
conclusions.  The fact that he sends liberal reactionaries like these
idiots through the roof makes him all the more entertaining.

Actually, I find Limbaugh's oratory less than sizzling and his debating
skills sometimes lacking, even though his conclusions are often correct.

I would suggest that a bankrupt leftist ideology that hopes to use concentrated
political power and a loaded gun to force everyone to do the "right" things
(where "right" is defined by the elitist academics who lead the movement)
is showing an acute case of "myopic social perspective", not to mention
arrogance and utter stupidity.

Limbaugh is certainly far from perfect, but his opponents in the established
body politic and the media are the ones arguing for Federal control of
virtually all aspects of the lives of the Citizenry, and for the elimination
of local control over Affairs Public.

Perhaps Limbaugh has a following because The People are tired of being treated
like errant children by a self-important group of arrogant controlling myopic
people who have no understanding of how life operates outside of the "oughta-be's"
inside their own hopelessly closed minds.

OK, let us take your word for that and work with it.  A nice specific
incident.

Hmmm, "Congress shall pass no law regarding an establishment of religion,
nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof."  Liberal translation: "the
federal government (as long as it is run by Liberals) may force local
school districts to include certain iconic content in Christmas displays,
while prohibiting others."

I think Limbaugh has you on this one.  It seems to me that he is arguing
for LESS imposition of the federal government into religion.

Nice job on the specificity of that one, too.

[Analysis of historical/modern communication media deleted]

Ah yes, it is a conspiracy of profound proportions.  Methinks that you
may be a bit resentful of Mr. Limbaugh's success because you attribute it
primarily to luck (how, after all, could anyone with profound differences
of opinion from yourself have become successful without the operation of
conspiracy or blind luck!)  Do you feel this same level of knee-jerk
resentment against lottery winners, or do you congratulate them on their
good fortune?

This should be great fun, since it is the Liberal movement in America
that is pushing the hardest for centralized fascist control of The People
and business (government/business 'partnership' indeed), and Mr. Limbaugh
is the populist nemesis of that movement.

I have read Mr. Limbaugh's book, and although it was not the most literary
piece I have read in recent memory it certainly did not contain "venom"
at all, let alone "venom" comparable to an individual who callously murdered
millions out of racism.

A very serious tone in that oratory.

You neglect to mention that Mr. Limbaugh (have you ever listened to his show,
BTW?) continuously encourages his audience to think for themselves rather
than blindly following any media icon, himself included.  You yourself mention
that he makes no bones about his show being strictly about his own opinions.
He also adopts a rather satirical approach, and presumes his audience to be
intelligent enough to distinguish satire from seriousness (and he says as much).
This is in contrast to the average mass-media show, in which the audience is
treated as society's intellectual lowest common denominator.

I am sure that Adolf Hitler was a master of satire; I am sure he was just
kidding when he said that the Jews were the cause of Germany's problems and
needed to be exterminated.

This is not religion, it is clearly a perverse worship of race.  Since
Christ was a Jew, it seems quite unlikely that Hitler's characterization of
the Aryan as "the highest image of the Lord" fits with Christian doctrine.

Private religious schools have a vastly better record of success than
publicly funded schools.  American history is indeed primarily Judeo-
Christian.  I suppose that Mr. Limbaugh pointing out facts is equivalent
to Adolf Hitler worshiping the Aryan race.  I think you might be reaching
just a wee bit here.

Definite suggestion that the government should control the entertainment
industry here.

Just a guess here, but I don't think that Mr. Limbaugh would advocate
government control of Hollywood.  You should perhaps call his radio show
to confirm this.  I believe this is more a criticism of Hollywood and the
depraved moral values it espouses, not an advocation of government control
of Hollywood.

90's Liberals, on the other hand, want to have complete government control
of our school systems, so that the government can teach The People at an
early age the "right" way to view religion and morality.  I believe Mr.
Limbaugh is against this, as his satirical use of the "young heads full
of mush" hyperbole indicates.

Pretty strong conspiracy theory insinuated here, with an implicit plea for
government power to be used to break up the conspiracy.

Indication here that "Elements of the Media" (since career is a self-selected
categorization, perhaps an inferred 'larger percentage than represented in
the populace at large') has a leftist bias.  Doesn't sound too unreasonable.
No insinuation that CNN should not report in an objective fashion, only
that for reporters to say that they do not have any personal bias in the
situation is disingenuous to megalomaniacal.

You may disagree, and it may well be exagerrated, but it is not an unreasonable
opinion; and Mr. Limbaugh goes well out of his way to make sure that his
audience knows that these are his opinions, unlike most other reporting that
purports to achieve perfect objectivity but in actuality will in some degree
or other, in a statistical sense, reflect the biases of the reporters.  Who
is being disingenuous here, Mr. Shaw or Mr. Limbaugh?

Again, you should ask Mr. Limbaugh himself, but I expect that he would
oppose government control of the media.

It is indeed depressing to see such myopia and tiresome Liberal arrogance.
Liberals love to play games with paradigms as a way of discrediting people
who disagree with them.  Why don't you challenge conservative ideology
on an intellectual level rather than engaging in ludicrous comparisons?
Perhaps the underpinnings of your ideology are intellectual only in that
they exist in your mind, not the real world.

Perhaps there are a few among the intellectually challenged who percieve
Rush Limbaugh as a hate-monger, but in my experience he has been spreading
laughter at the ludicrous self-importance of the Left, not hatred.

As to Mr. Bush, you may be correct about his fascist economic leanings.
Mr. Reagan, on the other hand, did his best to reverse the fascist trend
of government involvement in business.  Mr. Clinton is increasing fascism
in America through "business/government partnership" and increased levels
of taxation.  Perhaps you should not have skipped your vocabulary classes
in grade school.

Hmmm.  Seems to me that Limbaugh is not in any way comparable to Hitler
because he has not murdered six million Jews and many, many others out of
racism.  I come from a mixed-race family, so I am quite well attuned to
racism; I don't hear any coming from Rush Limbaugh.  The only place I hear
racism coming from these days and being taken seriously is from the Liberal
Left.

The Liberal Left is the movement I see trying to get America hooked
on the opiates of Socialized Medicine, Socialized Transportation, Socialized
Education, etc.  The Left already has America hopelessly addicted to
that Liberal drug, the Social Security Chain Letter.  It is quite clear
to me that while the Hitler analogy does not really apply to either Rush
Limbaugh or William Jefferson Clinton, if one of the two is closer than
the other it is clearly the Fascist Clinton.

This is the same address as "Idiots Anonymous", isn't it?

Matt Freivald

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
LiBORGalism:
             THINKING IS IRRELEVANT. INTEGRITY IS IRRELEVANT.
          FREE SPEECH IS IRRELEVANT. PRIVATE PROPERTY IS IRRELEVANT.
                 PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY IS IRRELEVANT.
                     CONSERVATIVISM IS FUTILE.
                      YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED.
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THESE ARE MY OPINIONS ONLY AND NOT THOSE OF MY EMPLOYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I strongly disagree that absolute truth would not require interpretation.
That's because truth may be absolute, but it may not be obvious.  Like
so many things, the truth is always subject to misinterpretation.

I strongly suspect that we are reaching an impasse here, which is why I
deign from commenting much further.

Now hold it.  I never said that Christians cannot be arrogant.  Indeed, as
many other Christians on SRC have stressed before, this is a trap that
Christians must always be wary about.  However, this does not mean that if
you believe in the absolutes established by the Bible, you are necessarily
being arrogant.  A Christian can believe that the Word of God is absolute,
but he or she should not expect this to be immediately evident to everyone.

Not quite.  You say that according to my stance, we cannot *reliably*
determine what is true.  That is not what I said.  I say that as fallible
human beings, we cannot discern the truth with 100% certainty.  The
distinction is subtle yet important.

When a scientist performs an experiment, he can claim that his results
are reliable, without claiming that absolutely no mistake whatsoever could
have been made.  In other words, he can admit that he could be mistaken,
without sacrificing his convictions.

Nobody can establish what absolute truth is with 100% certainty.
Throughout the centuries, philosophers have argued about what we can know
with complete certainty and what we cannot.  Descartes made a step in the
right direction when he uttered, "Cogito, ergo sum," yet we have not advanced
much beyond that.

Do you believe that other people aside from you exist?  Do you believe that
the computer terminal you are using exists?  If so, can you be absolutely
certain about that?  Are you sure it is not some grand illusion?  Of course,
you have no such assurance.  This does not mean, however, that for all
practical purposes, you can be certain that they exist.  So it is with
Christianity.  The most mature Christians I know have deep convictions about
absolute morality, yet they acknowledge that there is a non-zero probability
that they are wrong.  This does not, however, mean that they should (or do)
abandon these absolutes.

As I said, we can never be absolutely certain that we are correct.  This does
not mean that we cannot be certain enough, in light of the evidence, to
render all doubts unreasonable.


I have one word for you LOSER!!!!


Sorry for posting this here, but noone has replied to my post from the politics
side of the group.

I want to get involved in the fight to save our gun rights.  But first, I need
to get a little more educated.  I've been reading all the magzines and books I
can get my hands on, and sifting through hundreds of messages here in the
Internet.

I want to obtain a COMPLETE list of Senate Bill and House Resolution
names/numbers.

Can anyone tell me how/where to obtain this info?  Surely there has to be a
way to obtain copies of anti-gun legislation from those *&%$#@'s in Washington.

Any help is appreciated.

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5spd  23K miles

AC, cruise, ABS, Air Bag, Cassette, Anti Theft

Excellent

12,000/obo

Consider 85-88 4dr 5spd compact as part trade


From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
Subject: conf:mideast.levant

Rights of children violated by the State of Israel (selected
articles of the IV Geneva Convention of 1949)
-------------------------------------------------------------
Article 31:  No physical or moral coercion shall be exercised
against protected persons, in particular to obtain information
from them or from third parties.

Article 32:  The High Contracting Parties specifically agree that
each of them is prohibited from taking any measure of such a
character as to cause the physical suffering or extermination of
protected persons in their hands. This prohibition applies not
only to murder, torture, corporal punishment (...) but also to any
other measures of brutality whether applied by civilian or
military agents.

Article 33:  No protected person may be punished for an offence he
or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and
likewise measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.

Article 34:  Taking of hostages is prohibited.

Article 49:  Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as
deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the
territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country,
occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

Article 50:  The  Occupying Power shall, with the cooperation of
the national and local authorities, facilitate the proper working
of all institutions devoted to the care and education of
children.

Article 53:  Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or
personal property belonging individually or collectively to
private persons, or to the State, or to other public authorities,
or to social or cooperative organizations, is prohibited, except
where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by
military operations.


No.  Even if you could, the answer could be out of date even before you
get it (even if you grab the server, it could be taken up by buffering
user actions).  You should just try to do whatever you want; a BadAlloc
error is your indication that insufficient server memory is available.

					der Mouse


So why did the Australian Customs Service make a public statement to
a parliamentary committee last year that weapons smuggling was a problem
which it was not able to control?  Possibly criminals don't have your
grasp of economics?


There are a few bills not yet in the archive, but these are the main ones
we need to fight.  And thanks to David Robinson for scanning so many of
them in for us!

The subdirectory bills are stored in was moved from "congress" to
"Congress", that is:

godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu:/usr0/anon/pub/firearms/politics/rkba/Congress


[ Article crossposted from comp.windows.ms ]
[ Author was Kevin Routh ]
[ Posted on 19 Apr 1993 12:35:55 GMT ]

For your information:

I hooked up my ImageWriter I to my COM1 serial port and used the C-Itoh
8510 driver in Windows 3.1.  The cable I am using is a straight-thru
cable connected to a Null Modem Adapter I got at Radio Shack (catalog
#26-1496a) for $4.95.  It seems to work fine with both DOS and Windows.
I used the following command in DOS

	C:\DOS\mode COM1:9600,n,8,1,p

and set up the port the same way in the Windows Ports setup.

the Null Modem connections are as follows:

	1	to	1
	2	to	3
	3	to	2
	4	to	5
	5	to	4
	6+8	to	20
	20	to	6+8
	7	to	7

I printed from several applications and all seems OK.

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In my postings I have made a proposal for comments and discussion.
Those who don't want to discuss its merits and drawbacks are not forced to
do so.

However I would make anybody who incites others to harm me or harass
in a personal manner, legally responsible for their deeds. I cannot
accept and will not accept threats to my personal integrity and I
urge anybody who opposes terror to refrain from direct or indriect
threats.

PS: My proposal has nothing to do with Nazi eugenics. It has to do with
the search for peace which would enable justice. I don't consider that
justice is done, when non-Jews who fled or were expelled in 1948/1967
are not permitted to return to their homeland. This can at best be called
pragmatism, a nice word for legitimizing the rule of the strong. It can
never be called justice. And peace without justice will never be peace.
It is my conviction that the situation in which a state, through the
law, attempts to discourage mixed marriages (as Israel does), is not
normal. Such a state resembles more Nazi Germany and South Africa than
Western democracies, such as the United States, in which Jews are free to
marry whom they wish and do so in the thousands. My proposal may have
drawbacks but it is meant to force anybody to anything, just to
compensate for a certain time mixed couples for the hardships tehy
endure in a society which disapproves of intermarriage.When the day
will come and Israel will become a truly civil and decmoractic society,
in which the state is not concerned with the religious or ethnic
affiliation of its constituency, such a Fund would not be needed any
more. I don't mind if Jews wish to marry Jews and keep their
traditions, why not ? But this is not the affairs of a state. Western
democracy clearly separates these domains and I am certain that
most
American Jews enjoy this fact and would not love to live in a state termed
Christian State and to have their Green cards stamped with a mark JEW.

I would ask those who are genuinely interested in an exchange of views
and personal experiencces to refrain from emotional, infantile
outbursts which might leed readers to infer that Jews who respect
Judaism are uncivilized. Such behaviour is not good for Judaism.


Oh, I see, flame someone, tell them that they are immature, tell them
they are wrong, and then don't offer any proof for your assertions.

You really *are* a putz.  Put up or shut up.

cpk


First of all let's assume that you are right that fewer guns would make it
in to the country, that sounds great (to those that see guns as inherently
evil) except then every one  of those guns would be in the hands  of someone
who obviously couldn't care less about following the law, after all they
got the gun illegally, so is more likely to commit a crime with that gun.
Great then everyone with a gun is likely to use it in a crime, nice system.

Now  as to reducing the number of guns  coming into society by making it
illegal to manufacture, sell, or import them in this coutry,  let me use
a parallel for empiric evidence.  The amount of cocaine in this country is
far less since its manufacture, sale, and importation was out lawwed.    If
that last statement is true then perhaps we should consider your plan.  This
could also apply to drugs in general.


Heard last night that Paul Kuryia will be playing for the Canadian World
Hockey team this year.  He was on a local radio station when a friend of
the familty called to congratulate him on the invitation.  Meekly Paul told
the host that he didn't think they wanted it out yet.  This morning I heard
that he is destined to play on a line with Lindros and Recci{unsure of this
one}.  If he plays well in this arena, he could go #1 or 2 in the draft.


<...more accusations about a worldwide conspiracy against blacks.>

Since Jesus was born in the Middle East, then I expect his human
features to be similar to Middle Easterners at that point in time.
And since the camera wasn't invented yet we can only guess what
he looked like. For example, with all the dinosaur bones we're
digging up we still don't know if they were yellow-polka-dotted,
or purplish-orange 8-). Likewise, I don't think anybody has a
picture of Jesus (is there ? 8-) ) So our current image of
Jesus is our best guess.

Okay. So let's assume that Jesus is black. Would that make you
follow His techings ? Cause if you follow His teachings, skin
color becomes a moot point, anyway. What counts more in your
life ? Your faith in Jesus or His skin color (as a human) ?

In the interest of historical accuracy, however, since Jesus
was from Israel wouldn't His skin color be like any other Jew ?
i.e. fair-skinned ? Although probably heavily tanned from the
desert sun ? Experts in this area speak up !!! cause I'm not. 8-)

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Awww, right, you want all the home mechanics lined up against a wall and
shot eh?

Bull Pucky you chicken! Read the service manual and get your head out of the
sand! Certainly there are tools for the job that are cheaper than an alignment
rack, that do the job as competently (albeit, not as swiftly), if not
more accurate, due to the natural pride an owner/mechanic places on his work.
You can do an `acceptable' job of aligning a car using simple tools and
some imaginative work that would *never* have the effect of endangering
anyones life. The worst that happens is that your tires wear oddly (well,
you could have the wheels aiming TOTALLY pigeon toed and not be able
to steer the car, raise your hands those that think their vision is
so poor that they would screw up this badly!)

I bet you are one of those people that feels that honing a cylinder wall
with sand paper will kill millions of people. It aint magic. Go take the
certification course, and look at the people that have never learned to add
in their whole life that are taking the certification!

BTW, I am disgusted at the Colt (and some of the other Chrysler offerings)
because they go out of alignment if you sneaze at them. My '84 Chrysler
Laser (Similar to the Daytona, a reskinned Colt) needed a realignment every
3 months ... Bolt a good grade 12' 2x4 to each wheel, using a carefully welded
spacer jig. Measure toe in, adjust to manufacturer specs. Camber a bit more
difficult to adjust and measure ... I used a micrometer to measure the
space between the rim and a funky bent up pipe that could be placed on
upper and lower portions of the rim on the inside of wheel (hard to explain).
This same tool could be used instead of the 2x4s.  I had made these tools up
*right* after the last alignment done professionally so I had a reference that
the original poster might not ...


        Yep... Alchemy works fine on my Tseng400+DAC, but I think I remember
reading that it only displays in 15-bit or so.  Of course, that's still 32K
colors which is nothing to sneeze at.  Use the --v flag.

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GM, at least, is heading in that direction.  One of the post-sale
questions they asked me was if I'd like the choice of a cigarette
liter or an accessory plug, and another whether I'd like the choice of
an ashtray or a cup holder.

The '93 Geo Storms have the cigarette lighter vs accessory plug option
(which did not exist in the '92 I bought) -- I'm not sure about the
ash tray vs cup holder.  It's a step in the right direction.

The ashtray does make a convenient change-holder so it's not
completely useless.


Well, since someone probably wanted to know, here's this year's playoff
matchups on the left, and what the matchups would be next year under the
new alignment and playoff-matchup rules.  The same 16 teams make the playoffs
under next year's rules, and three of the first round matchups are the same
(QUE-MTL, CHI-STL, VAN-WIN).

PIT --+                      +-- CHI | PIT --+                      +-- CHI
      +---+              +---+       |       +---+              +---+
NJ  --+   |              |   +-- STL | BUF --+   |              |   +-- STL
          +---+      +---+           |           +---+      +---+
WAS --+   |   |      |   |   +-- DET | QUE --+   |   |      |   |   +-- TOR
      +---+   |      |   +---+       |       +---+   |      |   +---+
NYI --+       |      |       +-- TOR | MTL --+       |      |       +-- CAL
              +------+               |               +------+
BOS --+       |      |       +-- VAN | WAS --+       |      |       +-- VAN
      +---+   |      |   +---+       |       +---+   |      |   +---+
BUF --+   |   |      |   |   +-- WIN | NJ  --+   |   |      |   |   +-- WIN
          +---+      +---+           |           +---+      +---+
QUE --+   |              |   +-- CAL | BOS --+   |              |   +-- DET
      +---+              +---+       |       +---+              +---+
MTL --+                      +-- LA  | NYI --+                      +-- LA

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	This list brings to mind possible the worst trade since Babe for
	NONO NANNETTE, i.e., Milt Pappas for Frank Robinson, I think in
	1965 ?. Robinson proceeded to win the triple crown in 1966 and
	may have beaten out Yaz in '67 but was injured on a slide into
	second when he collided with the mighty Al Weis (Chisox).