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Interview: Robert S. McNamara with Philip Geyelin

In his modest new office, Robert S. McNamara, private citizen for the first time in twenty years, is only a few blocks from the White House. In his grasp of the great underlying social, economic, and security problems of the world, he is leagues away. While the Reagan administration talks and often acts in the ways of the 1960s, Mr. McNamara speaks urgently of the year 2,000—of how many people will then inhabit this planet, how many in absolute poverty, how many without food or water or affordable energy resources, and, as a consequence, how many facing political disorder? A president for thirteen years of an international lending institution with one hundred andforty members—ranging in their various stages of economic development fromJapan to Bangladesh—could be expected to form a unique view of the world: compassionate, pragmatic, supranational, geopolitical. What is worth remembering about Mr. McNamara is that his particular concept of the interrelationship between international security and international economic and social welfare was not acquired on the job at the Bank. Two years before he became its president in 1968, he addressed the American Society of Newspaper Editors in Montreal, as Lyndon Johnson's secretary of defense. In that speech, Mr. McNamara revealed an intense preoccupation with the problems of the less-developed nations—a philosophy, really, for world stability. It was not the philosophy one would have expected of a man almost wholly identified at the time with the development of weapons systems and—above all—with the expansion of the American involvement in the Viet-