I think the Bhagavad Gita is a boring crap

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I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend the feelings of anyone but I must say my opinion: I think there is a lot of hypocrisy regarding holy scriptures in general and the Bhagavad Gita in particular.

I find the Bhagavad Gita an over-glorified boring and dry story with a mediocre quality of literature. Seriously. I feel that many of the allegories attributed to it are artificial meant to justify its glorious mythical status.

Now, if you think I'm wrong, if you think I'm talking out of ignorance and lack of understanding then fair enough, by all means convince me, but not with slogans and hollow arguments dependant on faith and tradition but in the following simple way:

Bring me 2-3 lines (not more) from the Bhagavad Gita which you think prove that it is a unique monumental masterpiece with no equivalent, 2-3 lines (not more) that will make my mouth drop open upon reading them.

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Bring me 2-3 lines (not more) from the Bhagavad Gita which you -

First of all ,this is your personal observation and there can be any reason for that for which I do not want to discuss ,
second why one should waste any time to convince you about this sacred text.
If you find it useful then its OK otherwise leave it as may be its of not your standard/taste.
People want to read what they have in there mind.


madan_gautam | Fri, 08/14/2009 - 02:04
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slogans instead of 2-3 lines

What you write can be applied to any work of art.

There is a more important issue beyond my taste, convincing me or whether it is useful for me - I want to uncover the hypocrisy if there is such regarding such scriptures.

It's not convincing. Resorting to hollow generic slogans such as "People want to read what they have in there mind" instead of bringing substantial 2-3 lines is exactly what I was hoping would not happen. I was really hoping to be proved erroneous.

There must be hundreds of 2-3 astonishing lines in this divine text, no?

dank | Fri, 08/14/2009 - 04:21
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It's not convincing. Resorting to hollow generic slogans such as

There is no need to convince any body as if some one is genuine in search he will find it at last and if somebody is just in mind game will go on playing without any satisfactory results.
Now its up to you to play in this world or to to start journey.
No need to convince any body here all are mature and know what they want.

madan_gautam | Fri, 08/14/2009 - 04:28
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you have to go on watching TV,
reading papers
and accumulating entertainment.
Maybe the time will come you will search for a string helping you out of the crop. Before it is an unglorious sport to discuss the nature of spiritual literature.

Giordano Bruno | Thu, 02/11/2010 - 09:13
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All right cynic, first off:

All right cynic, first off: Calling something "crap" is not going to put you in a frame of mind to absorb it's contents fully. Anyway here are two lines from Chapter 6 which atleast to me, is incredibly inspiring:
yogi yunjita satatam
atmanam rahasi sthitah
ekaki yata-cittatma
nirasir aparigrahah

vetiarvind | Mon, 09/24/2012 - 18:34


very nice it is

NIDHI PARKASH | Wed, 09/26/2012 - 14:59
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HARE KRSNA! well said. for


well said. for someone so cynical to understand the great Song will be difficult.

Manisha Krsnabhakta

Manisha Krsnabhakta | Sat, 12/14/2013 - 06:55
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Wrong Translation!

vetiarvind, are you sure you've posted the right translation?

Or does the Chapter 6 quote means this: "A transcendentalist should always engage his body, mind and self in relationship with the Supreme; he should live alone in a secluded place and should always carefully control his mind. He should be free from desires and feelings of possessiveness."? (Source)

VickramM | Sat, 05/02/2015 - 11:14
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Bhagwad Gita would obviously

Bhagwad Gita would obviously be a crap to those who just read it like a novel. But if u try to really understand the essence of what lies beneath tose words perhaps then it would not be so.

joshoda | Fri, 08/14/2009 - 03:26
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2-3 lines to support your thesis?

Sorry but it can be said about anything and particularly any text and even about tv sitcoms and tabloid newspapewr articles.

2-3 lines example to support your claim?

dank | Fri, 08/14/2009 - 04:24
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2-3 lines example to support your claim?

There is no need for me to support the Universal Truth.
Its up to you to accept it or not,but can not be forced on you.

madan_gautam | Fri, 08/14/2009 - 04:31
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I find every lines in

I find every lines in Bhagwad Gita beautiful so rather u give me 2_3 lines to support your claim that it is crap.

joshoda | Fri, 08/14/2009 - 06:30
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wait till 2018!

when by brought up child female arjuna would rise her gandiva and divyastras and wage war defeating all like the great Indira Gandhi returning to take india superpower...

699 th verse:
"where their is krishna the lord of yoga and where their is arjuna the wielder of weapons their sure is wealth properity statesmanship victory such is my conviction"

hope 18 steps of lord ayyappa teach u what u really need...

joshoda answer was excellent i too support hers....

but if ur one who wants right direction read Chapter IV 1-6 verses

lord krishna says ," this eternal yoga i taught to vivaswat , vivaswat to manu (father of mankind),
and manu to ishvaku "

and later as tradition was lost now i am teaching u again in midst of war...

laugh ... now u r arjuna (confused) and i am krishna the reliever...

Iskcon gives all the main verses in preface itself when in
10 th or 11 th chapter arjuna says as sage narada and great rishis accept u as supreme i too accept u...

with love and blessings

dhorai | Fri, 08/14/2009 - 18:16
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Sadistic Baiting


how the hell can you be sorry when you are out to piss as many people off as you can?

it is no coincidence that you pick the most potent subject – that at this group will upset the most people -- and then post it: YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY baiting people ... your purpose is to piss as many people off as you can:

genep | Sat, 08/15/2009 - 01:55
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Truth is more important than political connectedness and sacredn

What you write proves the importance of the challenge he put. Much of ignorance is hidden behind political connectedness and sacredness. Those living on this religious ignorance are doing a conscious manipulative use of these feelings to block any sincere checking of the essence.

Truth is more important than having everybody content and not pissed off.

atlantis | Mon, 08/24/2009 - 19:06
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Yes, but if you know

Yes, but if you know anything True, keep it to yourself unless you want to get crucified. The world has no interest in Truth, even when it claims that it does....Oops!

Phroggy | Mon, 08/24/2009 - 20:34
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Off course, its getting

Off course, its getting bored listening bagavath gita. Who will believe Bagavath Gita is brought forward to eradicate Buddhism. This is the real truth. Because at that time the idol worship is stopped and most of the people are happy meditating Buddhism. Certain people to show their domination brought forward Bagavath Gita and Krishna Consciousness. From that time I dont know how many people experienced the truth of Bagavath Githa, but still for their recognization they are copying Bagavath Gita. How practically, it is getting useful, people should know themselves. We dont know more how many centuries we have listen Bagavath Gita.

Mastercvvyoga | Sat, 08/15/2009 - 09:10
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Do you feel we have freedom.

Do you feel we have freedom. How free you are from the society? From the birth onwards it starts, we are strucked up with their thoughts or their teachings. It takes lot of time to think what iam? where I came from? what is the purpose of living. A yogi should be rebel to grow himself. He has to get detached with foolish tradtions, rituals and to be independent.

Mastercvvyoga | Sat, 08/15/2009 - 09:16
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Brother...what is your

Brother...what is your belief?

SON OF GOD | Mon, 04/14/2014 - 18:56
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The Gita's line-less LINES

“ 2-3 lines (not more) that will make my mouth drop open upon reading them. “
The Gita is the story about these very 2-3 lines
except they are NOT lines:
The Gita's story needs no lines
– not even one -- let alone two or three.

The Gita's story goes far beyond dropping jaws, it goes far beyond blowing minds ...

the Gita's Story is about the real big-bang
that not only blows the mind
but vanishes the universe with it
into what makes everything One
that without dimensions is None: Now, Self, Samadhi.

-- really, Really, REALLY

genep | Sat, 08/15/2009 - 19:32
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lord muruga alone came as krishna! and potter as arjuna laugh.

vide kumarastavam....
and u see he wears the peacock feather....

as prajapita brhmakumaris say "krishna is truly eka patni vratan they delebrately to defame him has joined 16100 wifes and curse of the sage astha vakra ....

read fully even if so how their came about 16100 krishnas near all gopis...

so krishna is
1)eka patni vratan radha alone is wife...
they are later worshipped as lakshmi narayana....

2)he has 16 virtues...like 16 phases of moon

3)he is mariyadai purusottaman like lord rama....
hanuman too accepted him as lord rama....
4)sampoorna nirvikari....
something similar to.... "50 first dates"

and if lord muruga is lord krishna u have the truth
"jesus says i believe only potter to take watch"
potter is krishna so ur gopis game is fully eradicated ...

with love

dhorai | Sun, 08/23/2009 - 21:15
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You surprise and amaze me with this 2-3 line crap.

Like you I too am a learner so please answer what I ask you in this context.

In life do you think ?

"karma is higher than bhakti"


"Bhakti higher than Karma"

Just a few lines to support your answer will do.
I shall be looking forward to your answer.
With respects.

Jai K Garg | Mon, 08/24/2009 - 13:49
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If it is a crap why couldn't you come up with something?

The simple evident fact until now is that no one, not you nor the others, could come with what he asked for. And he asked for a simple reasonable thing. Therefore I wouldn't say his point is crap, not at all. I see here all sorts of smart replies (which he probably was anticipating and therefore specifically asked to refrain from) but none of them tries to honestly cope with the challenge.

I am not proficient in the Bhagavad Gita and so I was also waiting for the challenge to be met.

nancy pro | Mon, 08/24/2009 - 16:42
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I wonder

why you say:-

I can only quote H.W. Longfellow's first line:-
"He who knows and knows he knows is a wise man seek him"

You say you do not know (Asleep?);

I say I do not even know or understand(A child).

So I asked which of the two is greater "Karma" or "Bhakti"

In Gita Lord Krishna explains to Arjuna on the battle field the truth between the two; when he refuses to fight his brothers, relations etc etc.



Of course, his point is crap if he can't reply from his heart which is greater.

To those who consider Idolatry a sin I can only say, aren't we all Idols(Reflections) of the supreme being.

Is not ever particle in the universe a reflection of HIS being.

When you can throw out the EGO ("I")from your heart you can see his reflection in every being, place or thing.

Forgive me, for I am just a tiny speck as I try to learn from you all.

Jai K Garg | Tue, 08/25/2009 - 05:55
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each good in relative plane:

lord muruga married devasena in karma marga in all acccpetance...

where 33 crores of god and all family members came...

so karma is first...

bhakti he married all devotees in spritual marriage...
no bhakthi is next...

but it changes stands from time to time...

again valli is marriage is what?


with love

dhorai | Tue, 11/03/2009 - 10:46
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Karma and Bhakti

Let me tell you that, Karma and Bhakti go hand in hand. One cannot avoid the fruits or bad effects of their own karma. Through Bhakti or devotion towards the Lord Narayana, he gives you the power to overcome the effects of Karma and fulfill your karma in an easier way. In other words, the effects of Karma are still there, but you wouldn't feel the hardship by praying to the Lord Narayana. He will show you the way to fulfill your karma.

As far as the way you are treating Gita as crap...you need to mind your languauge and give respect to the culture and the religion. we respect all religions equally, but follow ours with utmost faith and devotion..such kind of posts that are detrimental to the interests of people need to be removed....try to establish your own existence first...

smodoor | Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:16

boring crap

In bangla language one WORD meaning of gita given by Sri Ramakrishna is "TAGI" (REVERSE OF GITA WORD)which means renunciation.
gita is not a mythological and ephemeral story but it being part of prasthan-trio along-with the gist of six classical schools of Indian ancient philosophies and vedic religion; however, may seem boring to study due to its difficult understanding only to those who have no taste of philosophy and deep spirituality.gita has been "life guide book" to mahatma gandhi,lokmanya tilak,vinova bhave etc. and also to the greatest scientist of the last century ALBERT EINSTEIN.
god speaks in gita----sarvdharmaan parityaktvaa maamek sharanam aagachh-----'giving up all religions; surrender to me' and god do yog-kshem of such persons but i feel perhaps you haven't understood it.

NIDHI PARKASH | Tue, 09/01/2009 - 03:38
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I'm surprised to see that not a single one managed to come up with something to contradict the radical statement in the post.

I was hoping that someone will say something that will provoke me to read the gita again.

So I assume that silently all agree that all the praises about that text are a hypocrisy?!

solo | Fri, 10/16/2009 - 12:33


Having been your surprise genuine but it is more surprise to me. It means the scarcity of persons on guru feet site who have actual study of philosophy as Gita etc.

NIDHI PARKASH | Fri, 10/16/2009 - 15:08
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Including you

Including you who haven't come with even one single example from the Bhagavad Gita.

This is the beauty of places like gurufeet that they disclose the truth behind legends, concepts and hypocrisy. Sometimes the truth is hard to accept and as a result one who is not honest with himself starts to blame others.

If not a single person managed to come with at least a single example from the Bhagavad Gita after almost 3 months it means that this script too is facade cultivated by religion and priests and nothing more.

Jibanda | Sat, 10/31/2009 - 12:06

> reg. including you

Hello brother,
Thanks for reading my comments and respect your comments on myself. I inform you that I gave the meaning of gita as per Sri Ramakrishna and commented on dated 09-01-2009 and I submitted a poll of ten points on dated 09-03-2009 with the subject----'WHAT IN BHAGVAD GITA'.
But I feel there is a need to write continue series on Gita under blogs and forums.

NIDHI PARKASH | Tue, 11/03/2009 - 15:18
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Kindly answer

In a family fight,or as you struggle with odd situations in life; how would you face or choose between right and wrong.

Would you be biased to a few you love or be constant unwavering in you decisions towards all. Would you pray to God to guide and solve your problem of decide it just by your hard work and karma.

If you think you know the answer then I am sure no one can provoke you to read the Gita.
Well if you are not God then do read it to know life's truth about our duty to mankind.

Jai K Garg | Fri, 10/16/2009 - 15:36
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The Gita as motivational conversation

I wanted to take off on a tangent and create a new thread...


I am, yet I am not...

Asanga | Sat, 10/17/2009 - 06:04
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is Bhagvad Gita a boring crap?

Hi dank,r u still there!
I am late on this site and have found Nancy and solo agreeing with your views about Bhagvad Gita on the ground that none could give a proper answer to your query.Before I try to satisfy you on the issue,may I ask you few questions??it will help me to make the point clear.
I believe you will answer truly.
1)you have found most of the holy scriptures including the Gita a crap and hypocritical.Which are the scriptures you found intresting?
2)you want to uncover the hypocricy of Gita without giving a word in support of your claim.In the same post you are hoping to be proved erroneous.why this contradiction?
3)Nancy has received your post as a challenge.Have you really thrown a challenge to the believers or you are in search of the truth behind?
4)you want to be convinced about uniqueness or greatness of the Gita only in 2-3 lines.You seem to be in a hurry.Are you so impatient in every matter of your life?
5)what are your hobbies?
6)Which one is the field of your highest intrest?

Shailendra | Fri, 11/06/2009 - 06:35

good questions

Hello Shailendra,
You have good questions asked from Dank and his answers are still awaited.
Dank is requested to do efforts for answering.

NIDHI PARKASH | Tue, 11/10/2009 - 16:46
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I haven't noticed the questions, sorry. And now Nidhi's wishes are my commands :-)


First, let me correct one mistake in the question: It's not the scriptures themselves that I find hypocritical but the automatic reaction, high regard and especially sacredness that some people give these scriptures without inspecting them, not based on the essence of the scripture but simply due to conditioning by society, culture and tradition.

Certainly, there are scriptures which I do not find as a crap and this is based on the content of the scripture itself and not the aura around it. It is after analysis and guidance by people who are acquainted with the scripture. Regarding the Bhagavad Gita I only encountered slogans about how great it is and made this somehow provocative statement to welcome factual arguments to the contra - but none up to now. Examples of ancient scriptures that I value highly are the Yoga Sutra, Buddhism's Satipatana Sutra and the Heart Sutra, certain books affiliated with the Kabala (Jewish mysticism) and more.


I don't need to make any claim about the Gita to support anything. I simply put a challenge which is supposed to be trivial given the great fame and prestige of the scripture and none gave even not a single example, including in the many messages I received in private messages. Maybe this is a wakeup call for others, maybe there is some unique wisdom in the Gita but people are merely ignorant of it and maybe there will be finally someone truly acquainted with the Gita that will come up with such an enlightening example. It is supposed to be so simple for such a person if the Gita is not a crap.


I think the challenge is straightforward and well defined in the original post. Example, only one.


No hurry, no impatience, on the contrary. I will be satisfied with one tiny small microscopic example, I'm not asking for a thesis, a detailed research, a learned doctorate. I spare the time and effort of others, I'm very modest - only 2-3 lines. But this also happened to turn to be mission impossible. Just an example, what's the big deal when it is concerned such an acclaimed piece of text? Is it possible that all the great fans of this holy text do not have one small tiny example? two lines?

(5) + (6)

I don't find it relevant to the matter discussed. I will be happy to discuss this privately.

Thanks for the clarifying questions. I haven't lost hope yet :-)

dank | Tue, 11/10/2009 - 17:56

> Answers

Already in 'one word' the meaning of Bhagavad Gita was given and also one line regarding your question was submitted by me somewhere in comment.

Myself impressed with the compliance submitted by you, Dank; I may desire to understand your question only through your outlook in view of this point I want to display as per your yearning 3-4 sentences(lines)/stanzas from Chapter number-2 of Bhagavad Gita but first I may seek your patience to go through its preface for clarity:-
PREFACE-- When one approaches the Supreme Being with devotion and worship Him, the mind will become purified. then one will realize his spiritual nature and eventually realize his self and his essential unity with 'DIVINITY'. That Supreme Self (DIVINITY) can be contacted through one's own inner self. Whether one tries to realize the self as distinct from body, the senses,, mind; or whether one gradually becomes aware of the true nature of the Self, it is self that contacts Self. Each and every kind of perception has its own instrument. For the perception of physical forms there are the eyes; for the perception of sounds there are ears; for the perception of mental ideas, there is the mind. Similarly, for the experience of pure self(spirit) there is spiritual Self. As one becomes aware of spiritual Self within, God comes closer and closer as the Soul of one's soul, and ultimately one realizes his essential oneness with Him. We read in Bhagavad Gita:

"This Self is never born, nor does it die. It is not that having been it again ceases to be. Even as a man casts out worn out clothes, and puts on others which are new, so the embodied self casts out worn-out bodies, and enters into others which are new."
"This Self weapons cut not, fire burns not, water wets not, wind dries not. This Self cannot be cut, nor burnt, nor wetted, nor dried; changeless, all-pervading, unmoving, unmoved, the Self is eternal."
(Bhagavad Gita II:20,22-24)

NIDHI PARKASH | Wed, 11/11/2009 - 17:58
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Geeta - A point of view

Dear Dank
Welcome! At the very outset, I beg to put forward a fact that whenever there is a challenge, the opponents become adamant on their respective point of views considering themselves to be right creating a ‘you lose I win’ mentality. For myself, I am always open to discussions but not to debate, as they say ‘Debate is the death of all conversation’. So, I don’t need accepting challenges in such matters.
Incidentally, Lord Krishna strictly forbids from imparting such knowledge to non-believers.
“This confidential knowledge may never be explained to those, who are not austere or devoted or engaged in devotional services, nor to one who is envious to me.”
Geeta 18: 67
Actually among the initial responses, Madan Gautam had meant this in his post.

But I don’t dare put you in that category rather I am more than impressed by knowing that you have great regard for Yogsutra and Budhhism. You have also explained criterion for a scripture to be considered great.

So by the standard you have fixed for the same, I will request you to have a comparative study of Yogsutra with Bhagwat Geeta. Without undermining the greatness of yogsutra, I would like to draw your attention to following facts:
Yogsutra is a guide to those who are aspirant of self realization. Their ultimate goal being “Kaivalyam”- the Moksh. It describes the nature of liberation and reality of transcendental self.

There are four chapters in yogsutra. “Sadhnapad”, the second chapter of the text is “Kriyayog”- “Astangyog” also called “Karmyog” is just a revelation of chapter-3 of the Bhagwat Geeta. This Astangyog has many similarities with Buddhists “noble eight fold path.” This may be one of the reason you have equal respect for the both. But you must know both of them are indebted to Bhagvad gita for the vision they received from that scripture.The “Raj-yoga” in yogsutra are practical proceedings of the 11 to 32nd verses of chapter 6 of Gita.

Further more Bhagwat Geeta is not limited to that only. The scripture is not only for those who in search of self realization spends hours days and years in contemplation and meditation but also for those ordinary people who feel lost and dejected in dualities of this diverse world and who are looking for a way to real fulfillment, containment and happiness in their day to day lives.

Bhagwat Geeta shows the way leading to the cessation of suffering and the achievement of self awakening. It is used to develop insight into the true nature of phenomenon (or reality) and to eradicate greed, hatred and delusion.

As far as authentication is concerned; apart from the non necessity of a proof for a sun to be bright (because Geeta is known to be a song sung by the God), you will be surprised to know that there is no scripture in Hindu philosophy other than Bhagwat Geeta which has been so widely and extensively examined, analysed, guided and admired by right from Shankracharya to Binoba Bhave including Ramanujacharya, Madhvacharya, Ballavacharya, Sant Jnayneshwar, Lahiri Maharaj, Aurbindo, Vivekanad, Tilak, Radhakrishnan, Prabhupaad, Gandhi, Annie Besent and so on and so forth.

Mr. J. Robert Oppenheimer, an American physicist and Director of the Manhattan Programme learned Sanskrit only to read Geeta. The scripture had such an effect on his philosophy of life that when in 1945 first nuclear test was witnessed, He quoted 11:32 verse of Geeta, “Now I am become death, the destroyer of world.”

The essence of Geeta according to Ramakrishna is “O man! Renounce everything and practice spiritual discipline for the realization of God” . His guru Paramhans Totapuri ji Maharaj alias Nangta Baba had given him this knowledge, Ramakrishna admits.

His disciple Swami Vivekanand in his lecture delivered in San Francisco in 1900 declared “ Geeta is the best authority on Vedanta”.

Dank, with all respect to your modesty i request you to consider a point. The teacher like Lord Krishna, believed to be God himself had to pronounce more than 600 shlokas to Arjuna – the devoted disciple- to make him understand the TRUTH- THE WHOLE OF TRUTH.My friend, is not your expectation of receiving the scriptures in few lines goes beyond the capacities of a common man?

However, respecting your inclination towards precision, I would recommend you to study Chakravarti Rajgopalacharya’s “BhagwadGeeta”- a booklet of less than 100 pages. You will certainly appreciate the content and essence of Geeta if you study a small book “Geeta-Pravachan” by Binoba. If you are an admirer of logisticity in a text, you must read “Geeta Rahasya” by Lokmanya B G Tilak. For an intelligent mind, which craves for deep philosophy of life and understanding of mystery of universe, Please try “ Geeta Darshan” by Maharishi Aurbindo.

In the end, if you insist, I will tell you that shloka 2:47 of Geeta has been widely accepted as essence of Geeta.
“You have a right to perform your prescribed duty but you are not entitled to fruits of action. Never consider yourself the cause of the results of the activities and never be attached to not doing your duty”.

As you know “yogah chittvritti nirodhah”-the preamble of Yogsutra, for the full explanation and understanding of which, one will have to ponder into 196 sutras in all the 4 chapters of the text; likewise to understand the full meaning of the above verse you will have to dive deep into the ocean of Bhagwat Geeta.

Thank you Dang! for the patience. I am here to welcome you for any further discussion in this regard saving all sorts of debate.
Hi! Solo, whenever you feel inclined to study Geeta again, Please let me know!

Shailendra | Fri, 11/20/2009 - 05:48

Geeta: A point of View

Profoundly myself glad after going through your comments 'Geeta-A point of View'. I appreciate your views with best complements.
Thank you.

NIDHI PARKASH | Fri, 11/20/2009 - 15:07
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thanks for the compliments.

Shailendra | Sat, 11/21/2009 - 04:48
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the sanskrit shloka is...

nainam chindanti shastrani nainam dahati pavakah na chainam kledayanty apo na sosayati marutah.

mrkotians | Sun, 07/11/2010 - 03:04
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A simple sloka from the Geeta which is the essence


Chapter 2:47.... " karmanyevadhikaraste ma phalesu kadacana! ma karmaphalaheturbhumar te sanago stvakarmani" Thy right is to work only, but never to its fruits; let the fruit of action be not they motive, nor let thy attachment be to inaction...

An action done in the PRESENT when is conditioned by a FUTURE-time appears as the fruit of action. In fact, the action ends or fulfills itself only in its reaction, and the reaction is not anything different from the action. An action performed in the present when defined in terms of a future moment is its reaction. Therefore, to worry over and get ourselves preoccupied with the anxieties for the rewards of actions is to escape from the dynamic PRESENT moment and live in a FUTURE moment that is not yet born! In short, the Lord's advice here is a call to man not to waste his present moment in fruitless dreams and fears, but to bring out his best, all of the best from within him, to the PRESENT moment, and vitally live every moment. The promise is that the future shall take care of itself, and shall provide the Karma Yogin with the achievements that are divine and accomplishments that are supreme.

zarine | Thu, 07/18/2013 - 17:50
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Finally someone addresses the challenge

Finally someone addresses the challenge. This is indeed an intriguing sloka that invites to read more.

Thank you Zarine!

dank | Thu, 07/18/2013 - 20:23
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The challenge

Namaste Dank,

Glad that you have decided to take that first step.... remember the saying by Neil Armstrong "One small step for a man, a giant leap for mankind".............. I WOULD SAY

" One small step for Dank, a giant leap for his mind "....

Best wishes,



zarine | Fri, 07/19/2013 - 09:25
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Don't exaggerate zarine :-)

Don't exaggerate zarine :-) it is indeed an intriguing part but it still doesn't justify yet the glory of that book. I have come across hundreds if not thousands of texts with parallel or higher quality. But at last a text which is not trivial...

Thank you again.

dank | Fri, 07/19/2013 - 18:59
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Truth cannot be exaggerated

Namaste Dank,

I am not here to convince you at all... all this is because of my own experience of the truth after studying it under my own Guru... my background is zorastian and catholic and yet this Sastra has given me so much that I appreciate all spiritual books and never compare them at all... Each flower has its own beauty and fragrance.....

The Bhagwad Geeta is one of the books that has stood the test of time as compared to hundred of others which have originated in the last few centuries..... It was originally written between the fifth and second century and then again Adi Shankarachary in the 8th century did a commentary on it, hence you can see that this eternal truth has survived this long and will continue to do so.

Very few get the call to study it with 'shradda' and experience its deepest essence.....


zarine | Sat, 07/20/2013 - 11:33
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The meaning of the above is often not fully understood.
It does mean that you have to do karma (action) without thinking of the results.
This is true in the material plane in the sense that if you work without distraction, you will do a better job, or if you do work with dispassion, I will take care of the rewards.

But on another plane, it means that the material world being an illusion, you should look at it only as a medium in which you can off-load your karma and hence move towards liberation from karmic bond. Since the world and its subjects are illusory, it means little to work for an immediate result of the act. Therefore as your focus shifts from the illusory results, you shed your karma and work towards total liberation.

12kris | Sat, 07/20/2013 - 12:02
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BGeeta 2:47


Each of us understand everything around us including persons, situations etc.,according to what thoughts we have in our own mind which are influenced by the qualities of Sattva, Rajas and Tamas. (Ref: Patanjali Yoga Sutras)

Reading the Geeta intellectually and actually experiencing the truth are totally different....there is a hidden truth written in these slokas and one needs to dig deeper to understand its real essence......

zarine | Sat, 07/20/2013 - 16:54
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Just like the food we eat has to appeal to our taste buds while we eat, but more importantly go on to nourish our cells, all holistic thoughts have relevance at the multiple levels at which we exist.

12kris | Sun, 07/21/2013 - 02:24
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Continuation ..

Namaste Dank,

Another thought provoking sloka......

Please refer to chapter 9:22 ( a secret by which success can be assured for the spiritual as well as the material seekers)...
" To those men who worship Me alone, thinking of no other, to those ever self controlled, I secure for them that which is not already possessed (YOGA) by them, and preserve for them what they already possess (KSHEMA)...

"ananyascintayanto mam ye janah paryupasate
tesam nityabhiyuktanam yogaksemam vahamyaham"

(ref: The Holy Geeta ..commentary by Swami Chinmayananda).


zarine | Sat, 07/20/2013 - 17:16
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2-3, whoa, 23!

dank, dude (as in inexperienced cowboy), take a chill pill.
if you grok the FULL import of this one your mouth will gape:

The one who sees actionlessness in action and action in actionlessness is wise and has done everything that is to be done.

it may seem that the Gita is boring, poorly written and terse but the best commentaries unfold the underlying truth and Knowledge will dawn in yer bean, provided you do the preliminary work to Get It... got it?


slenten | Sun, 11/22/2009 - 22:27
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to all aspirants come and learn from the master!

i am true arjuna in one of my past lifes tough the power of lord krishna abide in me too is strange....
hope my project work in annamalai university be available for u all if gurusfeet helps me...
the project is rewarding for growth in sphere of bhagavad gita....

1)as nama deva i had a tradition of reading bhagavad gita every verse and bowing to god "vittal or panduranga"
2)and as a true Arjuna and Lord krishna by virtue of kumaran frequency i can say "no one knows bhagavad fita as i know and no one can tap its powers as i can do"
3)So i would wish reading bhagavad gita with mangala arati as in "ISKCON" AT 4:00 A.M DAILY and chanting MAHA MANTRA
16 *108 times with rosary probably with initiation






with love

dhorai | Tue, 12/01/2009 - 14:47
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Is the king naked?

See http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/bhagavad-gita though I don't think it will answer your question.

You raised a good and brave question. There is a tradition-cultivated legend around many texts that not always deserve their legend. It needs people like you from time to time to say "The king is naked" like in the tale "The Emperor's New Clothes" by Hans Christian Andersen. People respond in anger and astonishment but after some time adapt and start thinking outside their old conditioning.

I don't say in that that I think the Bhagavad Gita is a crap. I don't know, I also waited for somebody to refute this here to no avail.

sonti | Tue, 12/15/2009 - 21:17
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Well, it is probably a crap and people are hypocrite

I posted this challenge over 5 months ago, 5 months.

I was optimistic, I was sure that some will come up with refuting examples. I couldn't believe so many people, especially in India, can worship and praise a text blindly without ever inquiring whether it is superior over other texts.

Well, I was too optimistic. I read every single response here. Not a single adequate example. Well, it is probably a crap and people are hypocrite. This is saddening.

dank | Fri, 01/15/2010 - 14:26
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not so saddening.

the gita has powered a lot of peoples' enlightenment, danky-dude, so deal with it. it's not crap and i haven't met
a gita reading hypocrite.

here's your task: prove to us that we're hypocrites and that it is crap. go on, i dare you, trot out your proof, mister, but i'll bet you've got none.

you're a troll, dank.

slenten | Fri, 01/15/2010 - 22:36
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It appears that he has a point

I think this is exactly what he talks about: everybody is wise in doing general statements and no one is able to come up with one single example.

He has a point and the proof is the very results of this post.

lagrima | Sat, 01/16/2010 - 08:25
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There have been several

There have been several examples.

Chaitanya | Fri, 06/25/2010 - 10:43
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I could say the same thing about Shakespeare. In fact, I want you to prove to me that I am even capable of making your mouth drop by giving me 2 or 3 lines of Shakespeare that would make MY mouth drop.

If you are an adept in literary analysis, surely you can prove to me Shakespeare's greatness..or was he truly just a hack too?

If you want to get anything out of the Bhagavad Gita, read it as Hindus do. Read it with what Krishna and Arjuna stand for. I couldn't imagine reading the bible without the affections towards Christ, God, and Truth. What a dead book it would be then. As it is, when I read it there is a longing in the heart that brings it alive.

What an insincere, silly, childish, and offensive game you play. Can you not see this? Surely you can.


"Sever the ignorant doubt in your heart with the sword of self-knowledge. Observe your discipline. Arise"


B-friend | Sat, 01/16/2010 - 13:35
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Arjuna the seeker

To me Gita has a meaning when Arjuna is me. Even that would be an inflated opinion of about me but its a different ball game when I realise that I identify with my body every other moment and in circumstances as trivial as little ups and downs or routine decision.

Why do I identify? What deludes even the wise? Is there a Soul (spirit)? How do realised persons view life? What are the ways? Are wars moral? What is my duty (dharma)? What is God? How does creation take place? Does God incur sin by all the suffering that he has caused?

If I have these burning questions then I could as well be in place of Arjuna and Krishna could be my Guru who leads me out of darkness to God realisation and Gita would be relevant.

Food is truly meant for the hungry alone.

joejo | Wed, 04/28/2010 - 14:18
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Chapter 12, Verse 8

Still your mind in me,
Still your self in me,
Without a doubt,
you shall be united with me,
Lord of Love dwelling in my heart.

Quantum | Fri, 02/19/2010 - 05:46
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If BG is boring, then

If BG is boring, then don’t read it; why do you expect someone to instill in you the philosophy it carries. If you want to argue that there are nothing there to be suitable for modern world, then come up with the argument. For that you need to read it, not just read it, and need to go deep into the heart of it. It is not a simple song, but is impregnated with the philosophical ideals that are universally valid and relevant as far as I understand. It is like saying that to read the theory of relativity or gravitation expressed in mathematical equation is really boring doest make gravitation is null and void.

Malini | Wed, 03/31/2010 - 07:53
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I can't really help

Every time I picked up the Baghavad Gita I found it boring and pompous. The same with the Bible and the Quran for that matter.

I see much depth in the bark of a tree, but not in those old, very distorted words that have been translated a thousand times in different languages, losing a little bit of their perfume in every one of those steps.

Maybe their glory has been dissolved into where it belongs. Our hearts :)


"Trust allows you to navigate imagination beyond where shadows lie". Tony Samara

PranaBeats | Tue, 04/27/2010 - 12:40
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Then take the time to learn

Then take the time to learn the original language and see it;s true beauty. no one can do that work for you, If you want it, you need to do it for yourself, if you don;t want it, then that;s fine, too - but if that;s the case then what's the big deal?

Chaitanya | Fri, 06/25/2010 - 10:45
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The Gita

Hi what is your problem? I think you have some problem; if you don’t like it and feel like crap, don’t read it? Is there anyone insisting you to read; it seems to me you are very much worried. The point is even if someone shows any one line, it is still a crap, as per your understanding, so leave it as it is and don’t read it place. In fact you are not arguing on any point, but simply posit some indigested vomiting.


Malini | Fri, 05/07/2010 - 06:40
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I think the Bhagavad Gita is a boring crap

Respected sir,
I personaly assume & my opinion that "Bhagavad Gita" is extremely Juice & sar of any living person's life.It results us in many fields as groath,wealthness,freeness,happiness,prosparity,progress & all other activity which occuring in life because Geeta says that"Karmandye wadhika raste ma phaleshu kadachan"means Man should only do work, nor beleave to find that result.
Please think,beleave & read throwly.
Manoj Singh

msingh55555 | Sat, 05/15/2010 - 22:14

Don't think

don't think but learn the technique, methods and secret of 'how to work'. Do the work with quality in your family, society, office/factory/workshop without attachment but keeping the aim of work for its complete fulfillment by the whole energy of your body, mind, brain and spirit. Don't worry about the result of your work which will be only negative force for the loosing of your concentration; instead of it fully concentrate on work because the good result is itself naturally bound to come as per the quality of work as Arjuna got result, got the award through natural forces and through divine powers.

NIDHI PARKASH | Tue, 05/18/2010 - 19:03
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Only need 3 words

I do not need as much as 2 -3 lines. The beauty of the Gita can be summed up in three words:


There you have it. Nothing is more beautiful, nothing is more profound, nothing is more sacred.The Gita takes several hundred verses to expound beautifully and magnificently on that short statement, that beautiful mahavakya.

The first 6 chapters discuss Tvam (you).
The next 6 chaoters discuss Tat (Brahman).
The last 6 chapters equate Tvam with Tat and reveal the nature of ourselves.

Tat Tvam Asi.

Tatvamasi - the Gita in 3 words.

Chaitanya | Sat, 05/22/2010 - 21:33

> Only need 3 word

Tatvamasi is a state of divine realization for the self through the saadhanaa. This leads to self-realization and states the nature of the self after happening self realization.

The beauty of Geeta may be summed up in one word also and that word is------------ 'SURRENDER'.

Surrender means renunciation and reverse of Geetaa word is Taagee which means sacrifice in Bangla language.

1. Surrendering at the holy feet of lord.

2. Renunciation of the lust and lucre.

3, Sacrificing the life, time and which is most precious etc. for the welfare of one's own society, universal brotherhood/sisterhood/universal family.



NIDHI PARKASH | Mon, 05/24/2010 - 02:08
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The 18 chapters are divided in three sections.....

The first six chapters speaks about THOU (TVAM) which is the karma yoga part....
From chapter 7 to 12 it speaks about THAT (TAT)which is the bhakti yoga part....
Chapter 13 to 18 is about ART (ASI)... which is on jnana yoga....
Totally these are the three yoga paths which leads to self realization... and its only with Jnana yoga that one achieves Moksha.... that means you become the Brahman.... that is why
TAT TVAM ASI means "That Thou Art"..... YOU ARE THE GOD (BHAHMAN)...There is no duality, hence it is Advaita, non duality


zarine | Thu, 07/18/2013 - 18:20
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The word atmana refers to the mind. The mind must detach itself from the infatuation of sense objects by association from those wise in Vedic knowledge who posess spiritual knowledge. In this way the mind will be elevated and gravitate towards spiritual objectives. But if the mind is pointed in the reverse direction subject to worldly pursuits and deluded by sense objects then the mind will become agitated and harassed. Lord Krishna is confirming the truth that the mind has the potential to give the most benefit as the greatest friend to the atma or eternal soul and also that the mind has the potential to be the most destructive as the greatest enemy to the atma or eternal soul depending upon how the mind is influenced.

shivoham_108 | Fri, 06/25/2010 - 04:31
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gurus feet

to understand bhagvad gita, you must first understand the logic, how such a long conversation took place between lord krishna and arjun in the centre of the battlefield, obviously both the army where not waiting for them.
the entire conversation was due to arjun's gurugrace lord krishna himself, he spoke to arjun from the astral plane, not physical plane, every word written in bhagvad gita is a mantra, to understand you have to surrender to your gurus feet, it is than you rise above your ego , physical plane and divine starts revealing its secret.
arjun refused to fight against his cousins, his teachers, it is than the lord reveals a very important secret, he tells him that you are not going to fight against them, but have been chosen just to play a role on behalf of divine power, do not take credit for any action, eg if you eat food which may be good or not, but if such food if first offered to the lord or guru and eaten as a blessing will not include in your karmic action, do not use logic mind, secret of secrets

madhu | Mon, 07/05/2010 - 09:35
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People who are ignorance.. find Gita as Crap. DANK... Go through SWAMY RAMA's "The Perennial Psychology of Bhagavadgita." You may get answers for your questions. Well.. The people of India have remained silent from thousands of years not even uttering a word after the realization. Even Buddha remained silent for 7 days after his realization.

A Proverb:

He who knows he who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool. Shun him. He who knows not, and knows that he knows not, is a child. Teach him. He who knows, and knows not that he knows, is asleep. Wake him. He who knows, and knows that he knows, is wise. Follow him...

Find the light inside you... DANK...

Be Happy...

mrkotians | Sun, 07/11/2010 - 03:24
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Your message is loud and clear. The commentary of Swami Chinmayananda is good for the modern mind. I would recommend it for anyone interested in the Holy Bhagavad Gita.

asksriram | Mon, 01/24/2011 - 12:10
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Love to all

If this book does not sing to your heart, perhaps you should continue seeking for the guidance that will sing to it. If you cannot find one, perhaps you might begin writing from your soul the music you feel. We will all then be more enlightened by your words. Peace to all

venus_rising | Wed, 07/14/2010 - 14:10
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The use of Spiritual Scriptures in general

I think it is a very important issue Dank was putting into this forum.

In the end it is not a question about the Gita itself but about the accumulation of bookknowledge and the use of spiritual texts in common; and also the way how to use these texts.

Years ago i was very impressed (i still am :-) when i met someone who was able to recite different slokas free out of mind, having for every argument in a discussion the right answer from a scripture. Indeed it is a nice attribute and a big brain-performance... and of course i wanted to be the like and studied and studied in the hope to gain like this heaven :-)). After 2 years, still not having any glimpses of sat-cit-ananda, i was forced to draw a line, because i was just fed up :-) and also came to the conclusion that is was doing some hypocrisy. Enough theory: so I threw all the books away and did my homework. I started doing sadhana. A very simple one, without much philosophy, just going into silence regularly. I have to say, this made me very happy :-)

It is my own experience that reading spiritual texts can be misused to gain an elitary feeling, to feel superior to others and can lead to a big hypocrisy without real basement, towards a spiritual concept, a believe. There is no difference in reading the Geeta and making a spiritual concept out of it or watching TV and making a concept out of it. The former is a holy, the later a non-holy concept, but it stays a concept! Silence is beyond concepts!

During the last years i started again, with the new background of experienced silence, to read some texts [My favorite is the "avadhuta gita" (but also some chapters of the Bhag.Gita are very nice)]. The way I read them now is very different. It is no intellectual power-act anymore, no "learning" of slokas, nor a trying to understand. Concrete: i go into silence and in that silence I read a sentence and let it work and if silence is concrete enough there will be interesting effects (also with many slokas of the bhagavad gita). i use a text more "as a help for viveka". Some slokas are so concrete pointing towards silence that mind has no other choice than becoming silent.

So i think it is more a question of consciousness, of silence than of what kind of scripture you read (of course there is a lot of bullsh.. on the market :-))...

So I do and I don't agree with Dank.

Best regards

Sound_is_Silence | Fri, 07/16/2010 - 10:29
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foolishness it is to speak that gita is a boring crap; how much foolishness have been stored hereby by the unacquainted persons with gita. one of them is Dank.

gbsss1 | Tue, 08/03/2010 - 15:40
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Bhagwad Geeta

Essence of BG is in the ch 2 verse 47.

Jesus explained this very nicely " Love God and neighbours ( including enemies !!)"

Can any one guess the link ?

More to follow

hansel | Sun, 08/22/2010 - 04:15
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Srimad Bhagavad Gita

People who do not understand the implied meaning of the verses narrated in Srimad Bhagavad Gita will feel boring for sure.

Surya Kumar Mishra | Tue, 09/14/2010 - 12:09
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Dayalu | Thu, 09/16/2010 - 06:33
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Dear Dank, To understand

Dear Dank,
To understand Bhagawat Geeta ,you still need to refine yourself,otherwise it will just seem to you a simple story.

GEETA can not be concluded in two or three lines.Don't go through words.Behind every line(original in sanskrit)there is a deep philosophical thoughts is there.To understand each thought you have to keep aside your ego and detach your mind from worldly pleasure Then only you are eligible for that supreme knowledge to receive.Who is 'Arjuna' who accepts or willing to take that knowledge.

It is not your fault.To understand GEETA start purifying your mind and leave all preoccupied thoughts and attachments,then only you understand the deeper essence of it.You need to have good teacher to explain each and every line so meaningful.After that every time you read you will find deeper meaning of it.You will find a blissful moment in those deeper meanings.All it depends upon the orientation of your mind.

Instead of criticizing try to understand it. Have that curiosity to know at its depth.
Instead putting this insect here put it in your brain it will start cultivating.

bonya basu | Tue, 10/05/2010 - 09:49
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krish What one expects from

What one expects from a Spiritual essay is not an absorbing story, but a tool to live by.
The karmic sequence that life has been described as, alone is a plausible if not sensible explanation of life, or energy exchange if one wants the language of Science. It makes so much sense, unlike the belief in a whimsical God dispensing pain and pleasure to humans.
Also the call to go beyond "Good" and "Evil", recognizing the world as a continuum, where everything is a creation of consciousness, as Modern Physics concurs, leads to a consistent understanding of the Universe. Discovery of the truth may sometimes be boring, But that should not deter us from it.

12kris | Thu, 12/02/2010 - 08:20
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Bhagavat Gita - boring crap

Om Sai Master !

Paramatma Shirdi Sai Baba Bless us all !

Shri Dank ! Pranam !

Your questioning is not wrong !

And also the coments are also not wrong !

May be not convinced you !

With my ignorant thought I am putting here two lines.


SLOKA : 34

Tatddvidhi pranipaatena pariprashnena sevayaa;
Upadekshyanti te jnaanam jnaaninas tatvadarsinaha.

" Know that through prostration, inquiry and service. The wise ones who have realised the Truth will impart the Knowledge to you. "

Thus Says GITA. So GITA is great.

sadananda maharshi | Tue, 12/07/2010 - 11:50
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I borrowed several books from the library to know how the nuclear bomb releases so much energy. But to tell you the truth, in spite of having a Science back-ground, I started getting BORED.
The truth is that I have only a casual interest in knowing the process of Nuclear fission. It is simply not for me.
Similarly, there are so many people who really don't need advice on Spirituality. They simply have to avoid Spiritual essays. The Bible and the Quran give a set of guidelines to live a moral life. If you live as per these scriptures, even those among us who get pleasure in treading on others' toes, desist from doing so out of Love or Fear of an entity called God. If one is bored by advice,or strictures what can you say about it?
The Gita is somewhat different in that it goes beyond the concept of an external God. The symbolism in it is not to be missed, as Krishna, who is known as Anantha (endless), is shown in skyblue hue, signifying the endless apace. Since the question is 'what is new in the Gita', let me explain.
The Gita is slightly different. It may be worded to look like advice from a person. But the truth is that, if you add up all the lessons, it is saying that there is no such person as God. It tells you clearly that there is no external God, but the concept is of summation of all the consciousness which seems to be fragmented as different entities. The Gita says all our confusion stems from the mistake of identifying the temporal as permanent. This along with the Karma theory explains the paradox of life.

12kris | Fri, 01/28/2011 - 04:28
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"...summation of all the consciousness which seems to be fragmented as different entities."

How does the Christian concept of a Soul fit into this concept of a "summation of all the consciousness which seems to be fragmented as different entities." Does this suggest that the Soul is not a distinct unique individual entity which retains it's unique identity after the physical body dies?

The hope I live for, that gives my life meaning, is that after this body which I inhabit dies, I (meaning, Soul), will go to some Heaven to be in the Presence of my God. However that happens.

"The Gita says all our confusion stems from the mistake of identifying the temporal as permanent."

Again, does this suggest that there is no "Soul", that the "soul" is temporal and illusory?

Quantum | Fri, 01/28/2011 - 06:21
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Yes. The 'soul' is at best a tag given to the estranged entity. Through various lives (different occasions when we precipitate in the 'Space-Time' matrix)we are constantly endeavouring to refine ourselves by re-paying our karmic debt-the ultimate aim being to reach the stage of liberation(merging with the totality of pure consciousness). It is entirely a different matter that we read the situation exactly opposite the real (real as illusion and the other way) and get further trapped in this material world(space-time matrix, where both space and time are not seen in their real nature- maybe my Novel, "The Cave of Freedom" can elaborate on this-www.thecaveoffreedom.com.)

So the soul, yours and mine, are are like hailstones falling into the sea. The hailstones identify only with their physical parameters and fear losing their identity. When they fall into the sea and melt away, they are only assuming their real nature by merging with the sea.
If only we put a marker on any particular soul, we will be able to understand precisely why each of the incidents in our lives is taking place.

I guess that for historical reasons, Christ had to be made as the ultimate end to reach- the ultimate Saviour and the Son of God. Therefore, there is little scope for discussing the totality of consciousness, as an abstraction. This was done possibly because the idea(the faith will not be popular, without a central figure, the awe inspired by His miracles and the pathos by his sufferings (though they have been a bit puzzling for me, personally). These are esoteric truths and Hinduism too has many of its followers not reaching for the highest meanings of the teachings, and instead being distracted by the icons.

12kris | Fri, 01/28/2011 - 09:27
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Bhagavat Gita - boring crap

Om Sai Master !

Every post in this topic explains that Bhagavath Geetha is an Unique monumental masterpiece. But the marks should be given by Shri Dank. Shri Dank thinks that these posts are not up to the mark. what to do?

First Shri Dank has to fix the qualities of an unique monumental pieces. Then we have to compare whether the postings qualify the points set by Shri Dank.

Can Shri Dank or anybody fix the qualities of an Unique Monumentsl Peace.


in Sai master smaran

sadananda maharshi

sadananda maharshi | Fri, 01/28/2011 - 14:48
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Bhagavad gita

What you ask is impossible, everyone can give you 3 lines that they think are inspiring to them or a paragraph that up lifts them, but what will the mean to you or someone else. if someone tells a joke and i don't get the punch line is it still funny? The Gita like the Bible,Koran,Torha and all the others are books of truth,(things that are false fade with time the truth always remains)they are instructions on how to live in acordance with God and how to atain oneness with God.It's because people live by them with heart and mind following their every word from a seeker to a knower to Guru and become Enlightened that these books become Mythical.
To me if Lord Krishna had only said to Arjuna

"I am easily attained by the person who always remembers me and is attached to nothing else.such a person is a true Yogi."

That i think would have been enough to live by, but what would would we have to talk about and would everyones passion for words be ignited by 3 lines. How can one man read the story and another man read the Meaning? the same book through a different mind. Only with Gods grace are things revieled to us.

Shogon | Fri, 02/18/2011 - 21:53
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Well said!! I do appreciate

Well said!!
I do appreciate what you said.
Arjun means receiver....Krishna is Lord(knowledge)....
When a person is ready to receive a knowledge and fulfill that qualification to acquire such knowledge then only Lord come and pour his Supreme Knowledge to his beloved Disciple(Arjuna).

bonya basu | Sat, 02/19/2011 - 03:06
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Whether the Mahabharata is an historical account or a mere story makes no difference in this issue. The existence of such a story factually or on a literary level proves the same thing-that the idea of the subcontinent of India as a cultural unit clearly existed at a time contemporaneous with the Roman empire-long before any of the modern nation-states had come into being and long before most of Europe was even populated.

The Mahabharata reflects that India as a cultural unit already formed some two thousand years ago. In this regard no nation, subcontinent or religion has an epic of such proportion or which reflects the integration of such a large region as India through the Mahabharata. There is no such epic as Great Europe or Great China. There is no great epic of Christianity or Islam that encompasses such a clearly defined cultural region which still exists today.

Based on the evidence of the Mahabharata it could be argued that India is perhaps the oldest nation in the world. It is the same case with Hinduism as a religion. Hinduism as we know it today is basically the same religion taught in the Mahabharata. The Mahabharata presents a synthesis of the worship of the great Hindu Gods of Shiva, Vishnu and the Goddess (Devil), as well as the lesser figures of Ganesh, Skanda, and Surya.

Their worship is integrated on an earlier Brahman cal basis and a respect for the Vedas, the Vedic Rishis and the Upanishads, which includes the great truths of Vedanta. The Mahabharata makes Krishna into a great teacher and avatars as well as recognizes Rama and the other avatars of Vishnu. The Mahabharata presents a synthesis of the teachings of Vedanta, Sankhya and Yoga. It contains teaching on the duties of kings, classes and stages of life, medicine and astrology.

In fact it compasses all the domains of knowledge and all the issues of human life and culture. It is not just a religious book but the document for an entire civilization. Interestingly the Mahabharata does not present itself as a new religion or cultural document but as a development of the older Vedic tradition. Even in the order Upanishads and the Brahmanas kings and sages are mentioned from such diverse regions as Gandhara (Afghanistan), Videha (eastern Bihar and Nepal) and Vidarbha (Maharashtra).

This is a considerably larger region than the Bible which reflects mainly the people of the small country of Palestine or the Koran which reflects and Arabs of Mecca and Medina. The Vedas also present a much great diversity of personages, with many great sages and yogis, rather than a few prophets only.
We must note that when the Mahabharata was televised in India a few years ago, the entire country was mesmerized. Trains stopped. Government offices were closed to allow people to watch the program. A comparable phenomenon has never occurred in the West when films of the Bible were shown on television, not has any other national epic so gripped the attention of any country.

This shows that the Mahabharata still unites the country and is indeed a national epic. Those who would deny any real history to India as a nation or Hinduism as a religion have only to look at the Mahabharata to see the absurdity of their views. Even the title of the book challenges their view.

I was reading this book " ARISE ARJUNA" by David Frawley...
so beautifully synthesized the whole epic....It is just not a mere story of mediocre type of literature....must read this book....i think it must satisfy your answer...dear Dank!!!
Here is the link...

bonya basu | Sat, 02/19/2011 - 10:14
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you got the Love

I think God has a special place in His heart for india
A country where its people love and worship Him in all his forms and in all their beautiful temples. But He also likes to be worshiped in different ways, which is why we have other religions. The faith we have in our reglious books are what guides us towards God, the love we have for each other is why He Blesses us.

The Gita is like a mantra to me every night I read it I hope I have understood and gained more insight to its teachings and meaning.

May our Hearts and minds be opened as One

Shogon | Sat, 02/19/2011 - 11:02
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Krishna says..........

Krishna says

“Because of your faith in me,

I will teach you

The most secret thing of all,

Open vision, Arjuna,

Direct and instant.

Know it and be free

Of suffering forever.”

Sri Krishna Prem:

“Throughout the world runs a tradition of a wondrous secret sought under different names through all the ages: the philosopher’s stone, the elixir of immortality, the holy grail. All these have been the object of a quest, and all are one if rightly understood. No pen can ever write down this royal secret, nor can any lips reveal it, but it is written in the inmost heart of humanity and has lain there through countless ages, awaiting the day for you to tear away the veils of ignorance and experience its blazing truth in your heart. There is no one, however mean or nasty, in whose heart it is not written, but few there are who absorb its life-giving words.”

I was reading these verses...so i thought to share this here.

bonya basu | Wed, 02/23/2011 - 13:41
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Sat Shri Akal, my dear

Sat Shri Akal, my dear dank.

I must say that I admire your willingness to discuss this scripture, and you obviously are looking for something in posing this question and starting this thread. I wish I knew what it was.

It seems to me that you want someone to justify your wish to change your opinion of this monumental world scripture. But, the reality is, you don't need our permission or approval to do so, you only need your own permission or approval, if you really want to change your viewpoint.

If you don't really want to change your viewpoint, no three line passage that anyone quotes to you will be a sufficient motivation to make a change in viewpoint. I know that doesn't really qualify as an answer to your query, but I know of no other way of attempting to answer.

onkarjeet.singh | Sun, 05/22/2011 - 21:37
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RE:I think the Bhagavad Gita is a boring crap

In Bhagabat Gita there is a clear reflection of the society.What is happening in our society is described there.The different god and goddess are in the main role.
If someone read it like a storybook then he cannot enjoy the facts.So it needs full concentration while reading this book.

brian12345 | Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:19
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B.Gita .......is it a boring crap?

Mr Dank, as per my personal opinion there is no place here in this site for ignorants, it is advisable for u to fetch someother useless sites....sorry yaar.

Ashokkumar | Sun, 12/25/2011 - 03:37
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It depends on how you define

It depends on how you define ignorance.

I for example think that ignorants are those who are not open to questioning every myth, text and anything that is considered sacred by their environment, that do not investigate the real essence of things, that instead of explaining their arguments prefer just to dismiss other who thinks differently.

Tania | Sun, 12/25/2011 - 20:11
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To those who feel the Bhagawath Geeta is a boring crap.

My dear all friends to those who feel Bhagawat Geeta a boring crap. You can find all the reasons for your boring crap thinking, in the book THE ROYAL SCIENCE OF RAJA YOGA (A book on God talks with Arjuna, the Bhagwath Geeta) written by Sri Paramahansa Yogananda. The official site is www.yssofindia.org

Ashokkumar | Sun, 04/14/2013 - 06:16
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Raj Sekhar:- Information on

Raj Sekhar:-
Information on India - Religions in India

The three Lords that rule the world have consorts and they are goddesses. Consort of Brahma is Sarasvati; goddess of learning. Vishnu's consort is Lakshmi; goddess of wealth and prosperity. Shiva's consort is Parvati who is worshipped as Kali or Durga.
Along them there are a number of other gods and goddesses. To name a few of them, there is Ganesh, who has an elephant's head and he is also a son of Shiva and Parvati. Hanuman, who is an ape. Surya, Lord of sun. Ganga Ma, goddess of river Ganges. Samundra, Lord of the sea. Indra, king of the gods ( but he isn't an important god). Prithvi, goddess of earth. Shakti, goddess of power. The Hindus call their goddesses 'Ma' meaning mother.
Some gods have more than one name. Shiva is also known as Shankar, Mahadev, Natraj, Mahesh and many other names. Ganesh is also called Ganpati. God Vishnu incarnated 9 times to do his job and in his every appearance he had a different form which are also worshipped as gods. Among his appearances, he appeared as Rama, Krishna, Narsimha, Parsuram and Buddha. Krishna also has different names, Gopal; Kishan; Shyam and other names. He also has other titles with meanings like 'Basuri Wala' which means the flute musician and 'Makhan Chor' which means the butter stealer. There are also gods who can change their forms, for example: Parvati can change into Kali or Durga.
Not all of these gods are worshiped by all Hindus. Some Hindus worship only Vishnu. Others worship only Shiva. Others worship only the goddesses and call these goddesses collectively as Shakti meaning power. Many of these goddess worshipers worship Parvati in her images as Kali or Durga. People who worship Shiva or Vishnu also worship characters and images connected with these gods. Vishnu worshipers (Vaishnaites) also worship his appearances. Shiva's worshipers (Shaivites) also worship images of bull called Nandi, who was Shiva's carrier and a unique stone design connected to Shiva. There are also Hindus who worship all the gods. There are some gods who are worshiped all over India like Rama and Krishna and other gods who are worshiped more in one region than the other like Ganesh who is worshiped mainly in west India. Hindus also worship gods according to their personal needs. People who engage in wrestling, body building and other physical sports worship Hanuman, who in Hindu legends was an ape with lot of physical strength. Businessmen worship Lakshmi, goddess of wealth.
Though Hindus worship different idols, many Hindus believe in one God and perceive in these different gods and goddesses as different faces of the same one God. Others believe that idolatry is the wrong interpretation of Hinduism.
Hindus believe in reincarnation. The basic belief is that a person's fate is determined according to his deeds. These deeds in Hinduism are called 'Karma'. A soul who does good Karma in this life will be awarded with a better life in the next incarnation. Souls who do bad Karma will be punished for their sins, if not in this incarnation then in the next incarnation and will continue to be born in this world again and again. The good souls will be liberated from the circle of rebirth and get redemption which is called 'Moksha' meaning freedom. Hindus normally cremate their dead ones, so that the soul of the dead would go to heaven, except in a few cases of Hindu saints, who are believed to have attained 'Moksha'.
The main Hindu books are the four Vedas. They are Rig Veda, Sama Veda, Yajur Veda and Atharva Veda. The concluding portions of the Vedas are called Upanisads. There are also other holy books like Puranas, Ramayana, Mahabharta etc. The different gods and goddesses in the Hindu mythology are derived from these books. Ramayana and Mahabharta are the most popular Hindu books.
The main story of Ramayana is the story of Lord Rama. Rama was born in a royal family and was suppose to be the king, but because of his step- mother, he was forced to exile from his kingdom for fourteen years. During this period his consort Sita was kidnapped by a demon called Ravan, who was king of Lanka. Rama with the help of his brother, Lakshman, and an army of monkeys under the leadership of Hanuman, rescued Sita. Many Indians believe that the present day Sri Lanka was then the kingdom of Lanka.
Mahabharta is a family epic. In this epic the Pandva family and the Kaurav family who are cousins fight with each other for the control over a kingdom. Kaurav family, which consisted of 100 brothers rule an empire. The five Pandva brothers ask for a small kingdom which belongs to them. The Kauravs refuse to give the Pandvas the kingdom so there is a war between the Pandvas and the Kauravs in which it is believed that all the kingdoms of that period in India took part. In this war the Pandvas, with the help of Lord Krishna win the war. Before the commencement of the war, while the two armies are facing each other, one of the Pandva brothers Arjun gets depressed. Arjun is depressed because he has to fight against people whom he knows, loves and respects. At this point Krishna, (who was also a king of a kingdom, and participated in this war only as the chariot driver for Arjun) convinces Arjun to fight. Krishna lectures Arjun about life, human beings and their religious duties. He explains to Arjun that he belongs to a warrior caste and he has to fight for that's his destination in this incarnation. Those chapters in the Mahabharta which are Krishna's discourses on religious philosophy are called Bhagvad Gita. Because of it's importance the Bhagvad Gita is considered as a separate holy book. Another Hindu holy book that deals with religious duties is 'Law of Manu' or the 'Dharma Shastra'.
In the wars that occur in the holy books, as in Mahabharta, the different sides had different war weapons which had characters similar to modern day war weapons. In some stories the traveling vehicles were normally birds and animals. But these animals and birds had features similar to modern day aircrafts. There were even aircrafts with over velocity of light. The main war weapons were bows and arrows. But these arrows were more like modern missiles than simple arrows. These arrows were capable of carrying bombs with destructive power similar to modern day chemical, biological or even atom bombs. Other arrows could be targeted on specific human beings. There were even arrows capable of neutralizing other arrows, similar to modern day anti-missiles.
Hindus have many holy places. Badrinath, Puri, Dwarkha and Rameshwaram are four holiest places for the Hindus. Other holy places are Varanasi, Rishikesh, Nasik, Pushkar, Ujjain and other places. Some rivers are also holy to them. Among them are Godavri, Yamuna and above all Ganges which the Indians call Ganga. Another holy river is Sarasvati and it is invisible. Hindus also worship and respect some animals and birds like cobra, apes, peacocks and cow. Hindus also respect some trees and bush trees. The famous and the most respected bush tree is Tulsi.
Some of the Hindu customs, which exist or existed, do not have their bearing in Hindu scriptures but became part of Hinduism in different ways and fashion. For example, the Hindus see in cow a sacred animal. Religiously there is no reason to see cow as sacred and it is believed that cows were made 'sacred' to prevent their slaughter during periods of droughts and hunger. Cobra worship also is not found in Hindu scripts. This custom became part of Hinduism when some Indian tribes who use to worship cobra adopted Hinduism. Burning of the widow on the dead husband's pyre also has no religious justification. This custom, outlawed in 1829, was probably brought to India by the Scythians invaders of India. Among the Scythians it was a custom to bury the dead king with his mistresses or wives, servants and other things so that they could continue to serve him in the next world. When these Scythians arrived in India, they adopted the Indian system of funeral, which was cremating the dead. And so instead of burying their kings and his servers they started cremating their dead with his surviving lovers. The Scythians were warrior tribes and they were given a status of warrior castes in Hindu religious hierarchy. The different castes who claimed warrior status or higher also adopted this custom.
There are four castes in Hindu religion arranged in a hierarchy. The highest caste is Brahman, and they are the priest caste of Hinduism. After them are the Kshatria, who are the warrior castes. After them are the Vaishya caste , who are business people. And after them are the Sudra, who are the common peasants and workers. Below these four castes there are casteless, the untouchables. The four castes were not allowed to have any physical contact with the untouchables.
Each caste is divided into many sub-castes. The religious word for caste is Varna and for sub-caste Jat or Jati. But sometimes in English the term caste is used in both cases. Religiously, people are born in a caste and it cannot be changed. Each caste has some compulsory duties, which its members must do. Each caste has professional limits which decides what profession each caste can follow. Each caste members can have social relations only with its caste members. Religiously this includes marraige and even eating only with caste members. Please note that socially the caste system is different from the religious form of caste system.
How did Hinduism originated is a difficult question. The accepted theory is that Hinduism was evolved after the historical meeting between the Aryans and Dravidians. Some claim that Hinduism is mainly an Aryan culture whereas the others claim that it is mainly a Dravidian culture. Religiously the Vedas were given by Brahma.
Before Hinduism there existed another religion in India called Brahmanism and its followers were called Brahmans. The Brahmans were the spiritual and moral guides of the Indian society. The members of this religion were a close sect and others could not join it. The Brahmans slowly started accepting others into their religion and so was created Hinduism which included in it the customs which were not part of the Vedas. One of the reasons the Brahmans accepted others to their religion was the fear to loose their status as moral guides to priests of a new religion that started in India, namely Buddhism. The Brahmans even accepted Buddha as an incarnation of Lord Vishnu and part of his teachings and philosophy like non-violence into their religion. Gita is a holy,oldest,king of human beings.

India known as the land of spirituality and philosophy, was the birthplace of some religions, which even exist today in the world.



These three ancient religions, Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism, are seen as the molders of the India philosophy. In 'modern' period new religions were also established in India.

One comparatively new religion in India is Sikhism and it was established in the 15th century. About 2% of Indians are Sikhs. There were other attempts to create new religions in India but they did not always succeed. For example, a Moghul emperor, Akbar, who reigned between 1556 - 1605, tried to establish a new religion, Din- E- Elahi, but it did not survive. There are other religious philosophies whose believers see themselves as a separate religion, but they do not always get this recognition. For example Lingayat of south India see themselves as a different religion, while others see them as a sect of Hinduism. There are also some tribal communities who demand to be recognized as separate religion from Hinduism. In the 19th century some Hindu reformers tried to remodel Hinduism to adjust it to modern period.

Along with the religions that developed in India, there are followers of non- Indian religions. The largest non-Indian religion is Islam. They are about 12% of India's population. Christians are more then 2% of India's population. There are also Zoroastrians who even though make less then 0.01% of India's population, are known around India. There are also a few thousand Jews in India. Judaism and Christianity might have arrived in India before they arrived in Europe.

The teachings of Lord Krishna have been written down in a book famously known as 'Bhagwad Gita'. It is the holy book of Hindus. It is to Hindus, what Bible is to Christians or what the holy Quran is to Muslims. Since the book is quite big and extensive, sometimes it becomes difficult for a person to read at a stretch. Geeta Saar is the gist of the main teachings of Lord Krishna. It contains the crux of the Holy Gita.

Lord questions everyone over various issues and asks them to give up the illusionary world. Bhagwan Krishna says, the only way to achieve life long happiness is to surrender to him.

Why do you worry unnecessarily? What are you afraid of? Who can kill destroy you? A soul is never born, so it never dies.
Whatever happened in the past, happened for the best; whatever is happening, is happening for the best; whatever will happen in future, will happen for the best. Do not repent the past, do not worry for future, concentrate on your present.
What did you own, that makes you cry on losing? What did you bring, that you fear losing? What did you give birth to, that you fear its destruction? You didn't bring anything. Whatever one takes, one must return it to God. Everyone came empty handed and will therefore die, empty handed.
Whatever belongs to you today, belonged to someone else yesterday and it will belong to some one else tomorrow. Don't be illusioned by maya. Maya is the root cause of all pain and misery.
Change is the rule of nature. What one understands, as death is actually life itself. One moment you are the owner of crores and in the very next moment you become a pauper.
Your body doesn't belong to you and vice versa. Body is composed of five elements- Fire, Water, Air, Earth and Sky; one day it will perish in these elements.
Offer yourself to the Almighty Lord. This is the best support. One who knows this unconditional support gains freedom from fear, worry and despair.
Birth of Lord Krishna


Auspicious Nakshatra (Constellation)

Born in Dwapur Yug (Iron Age)

Universal Happiness of all Forms of Life
From the time, Devki conceived Sri Krishna, she began to glow and exude divine light. The prison walls glowed with the aura of the new born infant. Atmosphere of peace and happiness prevailed all over, Forests were all green and full of trees with all kinds of beautiful flowers, rivers were all swollen due to joy, peacocks began to dance in sheer joy, people in all villages started being happy.

Objective of Krishna's Birth
The main objective of Lord Krishna's birth was to free Mother Earth from the wickedness of demons. Playing an important part in Mahabharata (legendary battle in Kurukshetra) and propagating the theory of bhakti and good karma were other important objectives.

Events Before The Birth of Sri Krishna
The people of Mathura were extremely unhappy with the wicked king Kansa who put his father, king Ugrasen in prison and declared himself the king of Mathura. It was to put an end to his evil ways and other demons that Lord Vishnu decided to take birth on Earth in human form. According to Akashvani (heavenly voice) at the wedding of his beloved sister Devki, Kansa got to know that the eighth child of his sister will take birth to kill him. So, in turn he rushed to kill his sister. Kansa gave up the idea of killing after being assured by Vasudev that he will handover all his children to him. He put them in Prison. Kansa killed all the six infants as soon as they were born. The seventh child (Balram) was saved due to divine intervention, when he was transferred from Devki's womb to that of Rohini's (other wife of Vasudev).

Events During the Birth of Lord Krishna
Lord Krishna was born in a prison cell in the captivity of King Kansa. He took birth in divine form with lotus like eyes,his palms bearing the signs of a lotus and discus. He had a swastika sign on his sole. Wearing a yellow colored silk cloth, adorned with precious diamond earrings and a crown made of emeralds. Soon after the birth, a chain of events astonished Vasudev,when he saw the gates of the cell flow open and all the guards fast asleep. He immediately thought of Nand ,his close friend in Gokul and decided to handover his child to him in order to save him from the clutch of Kansa.

River Yamuna Bows To The Feet of Sri Krishna
The night of birth was witnessed by heavy rains which led to River Yamuna being in floods. As soon as the feet of Lord immersed in the river, the flow became normal and Yamuna made way for the Lord. Sheshnag, the serpent formed an umbrella to save the new born baby from rain.

Exchange of the Babies
Vasudev kept his child next to fast asleep Yashoda and took the baby girl lying with him back to Mathura. The baby girl is believed to be the sister of Lord Vishnu.

Disappearance of The Divine Child
On hearing the news of birth of the eighth child of Devki and Vasudev, Kansa rushed to the prison-cell and lifted the baby girl to kill her despite pleadings from Devki. However, instead of hitting the stone, the child flew up in the air and announced that the annihilator of Kansa was born and in safe hands.

Krishna later grew in Gokul and finally killed his maternal uncle, King Kansa.
Teachings of Lord Krishna

Lord Krishna, is the one of the most loved Gods of the Hindu religion. His teachings on various aspects of human life to Arjuna during the epic battle of Mahabharata are world famous. His teachings were written in form of a book by famously known as Bhagwad Gita. Bhagwad Gita literally means divine songs of Lord. Teachings of the lord, are relevant even in the present age. They are being promoted by a number of spiritual gurus. Few of his important teachings are as follows:

Four Kinds Of actions : According to Lord Krishna there are four kind of Actions or karma that a human can perform they are, Kamya Karma- Actions performed for selfish gains, Nishiddha Karma- Actions that are forbidden bu holy texts and scriptures, Nitya Karma- Actions that must be performed daily and finally Naimittika Karma-Actions that must be performed on certain special occasions. Lord Krishna clearly forbade his devotees to perform the first two kinds of Karmas as they lead to rebirth and laid stress on the performance of the latter two as they help in getting Moksha or Nirvana, in other words, salvation.
Liberation and Bondage : Lord Krishna emphasised on being free from all kinds of negative and positive emotions like, joy, sorrow, grief, happiness, jealousy, as they are all illusions or maya. These emotions are ephemeral. All the beings are bonded due to lack of knowledge but they get free and achieve liberation once they realize that the world is nothing but illusion. All the souls taking birth on the Earth must surrender to Lord, be free form attachments to living and non living objects. One should not be conditioned by body or the worldly things around.
Glory Of Satsanga : Lord Krishna described, 'satsanga' as the fastest means to be closer to him and please him. Satsanga literally means being in the company of Sadhus or the knowledgeable one, as it helps in reducing and finally putting an end to attachment of all kinds.
Withdrawal from Sense-Objects : Lord Krishna preached withdrawal from all the sensory- objects as a means to avoid delusion. All the objects of desire ultimately lead to misery. One must control his senses and not run after the pursuit of desires. As soon as one of the desire is fulfilled, another desire takes its place thus creating a vicious circle. One shoul give up ahmkara or Ego and identify only with God.
Path to Life Long Happiness : Lord Krishna describes, Karma(action) Jnana(Knowledge) and Bhakti (Devotion) as the three fold way to attain Lord and please him. This is sure shot way to achieve happiness and Moksha. Being knowledgeable will help perform the right Karma and not worry about the fruit of the action. Devotion to God heps introspect and remove from the worldly desires. The three paths lead to removal of illusion or maya.

Raj Sekhar | Mon, 12/26/2011 - 07:01
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Thank you!

Thank you so much!
In a brief you explained whole Hindu mythology and scriptures.

bonya basu | Mon, 12/26/2011 - 08:33
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What's this endless

What's this endless mythological text got to do with the subject of this forum?

dank | Mon, 12/26/2011 - 12:31
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Thanks for initiating this forum topic!

Dear friend Dank….
First of all I must say thanks to you that you have initiated this forum topic altogether from your conflict of mind…which is the real doctrine of “Bhagwat Geeta”…the knowledge of Krishna to his truest disciple Arjuna at a war field(Kurukshetra).

Our mind (Arjuna) is a real war field of conflict and our consciousness(Krishna) is a Anchor.

Bhagwat Geeta is Unique…Monumental…and Masterpiece because it gives a Universal knowledge to all human being without being discrimination of any particular status….
”It teaches how to live a life in this so called problematic world with your true consciousness.”

We always live a life of contradiction…do or don’t do…puzzled…taking decision through senses and limited knowledge.

"It teaches cross all those barrier and uplift your soul…and be in action."

Thanks again for those watchful moments we shared through each posts and our love towards "Bhagwat Geeta" through this forum topic is indeed wonderful.

It also uplifted me for a while.

bonya basu | Tue, 12/27/2011 - 18:38
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Thanks for initiating this forum topic!

Dear friend Dank….






It also uplifted me for a while.

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Unnecessary reply having NO connection with the main Subject!

Raj Sekhar, who asked you to give us a long lecture on Hindu mythologies and scriptures? What has that got to do with the main Subject here?

Please post that elsewhere.

Just because you've come across a forum does not meant you can post whatever comes to your mind - without any thought to the main Subject for discussion in that page.

Understood, na?

VickramM | Wed, 05/30/2018 - 06:56
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2-3 lines?

Can you describe the "Mona Lisa painting" in pages and make people satisfied?

Can you lol lol lol and be happy?

Can you breathe air and also say you you saw it going into you to give life?


I am sure you will not find that a boring crap!

Jai K Garg | Mon, 12/26/2011 - 14:48
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This can be said about

This can be said about ANYTHING.

When it comes to an acclaimed text, it needs more.

dank | Mon, 12/26/2011 - 15:48
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can u tell me

after all the replys you have had dank and I know some have not been your three lines please could you tell all of us who think the Gita has a lot to offer, what three lines or quotes do you think would make the gita Acclaimed or stand out from other books?,we have said what does it for us, tell us what would do it for you, maybe Lord Krishna could add them to one of his discourses,

Shogon | Mon, 12/26/2011 - 16:33
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Who is talking about acclaimed test?

Here we are concerned with boring crap.

"About Anything" - are we not talking about human intelligence to seek out the truth about life as we see it, or assume what holds the truth beyond this life; provided you believe in another rebirth.

So if all this is boring crap then life too has no real meaning; congratulation! you have found the truth.



Jai K Garg | Tue, 12/27/2011 - 04:35
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fix qualities

Om Sai Master !



Can Shri Dank or anybody fix the qualities of an Unique Monumental religious book.

Shri Dank my request to you to consider it.


in Sai master smaran

sadananda maharshi

sadananda maharshi | Mon, 12/26/2011 - 19:22
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Bhagvad gita IS a brain Wash

I understand as being hindu, people will have soft side towards the book and the religion.
From my understanding this book was written to wash people minds.
It is a total brain wash to send people on war. The whole expalinations of the book is make the people think that life means nothing and u can kill or die in the war.
The whole fuss about Soul is to make the general people think that there is some thing more to life and it doesnt matter if u die, so they go to war with out any questions.
also same with karma yoga.
Bhakti yoga is nothing but to keep people blind, so they follow n pray some holly figure like krisna or jesus or allah and they live in some fantasy life beliving in after life and life after death and they dont question the authority and simply they take it as karma.
Country like india in ancient time it was totally designed to brain wash the people by making all kinds of temple everywhere. So people had to belive.
THis kind of book are nothing but brain wash, telling people about soul, karma, devotion which is really abstract and subjective, that every one has different opinion on it.
Bhagvad geeta is indeed a crap.

prahlad | Wed, 05/16/2012 - 00:22
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Also the cast system was to

Also the cast system was to rule the people saying that they were born on that cast and that is their karma.

prahlad | Wed, 05/16/2012 - 00:25
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They are trying to sell the

They are trying to sell the spiritual master, so they can control the minds of general people. Of course every one is confused and every one is looking for some thing higher than them. They are saying not to be materially attached so that the spritaul master can rip them off easily. sometimes prabhupad is selling him self, some times sai baba is selling to have diciples and get power. It is making bhramana the supreme that he understands.. so they will always be in power.

Also saying about renunciation and to leave material world is to make them guilty if they start accumulating wealth so the authority can easily accumulate everything.

I can go on and on about it.. but ill stop here..

prahlad | Wed, 05/16/2012 - 00:44
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Highly Materialistic statement

Prahlad, Krishna wants people to let go off materialistic attachments because they are going to lose it anyway when they leave their material body. He wants them to be ready for this eventuality. Whether you are King or pauper, you die empty handed. At least this truth everyone knows and will agree. What is the use of carrying attachment through your life if they give pain more than pleasure. In fact leaving them makes one more peaceful with existence. Krishna did not put forth caste system but it exists even today in different forms. We still have Brahmins (Economists, Scientists of different trades), Kshatriyas (MPs, MLAs, Ministers, Defence), Vaishyas (All Business families and Shudras (All white/blue collared working class) and problems remain the same. So the caste system is not imposed but exists all the time and continues due to family expertise. Don't blame Krishna for that. If Krishna wanted Arjuna to fight he could very well reminded sufferings of Pandavas by Kauravas. I think that should have sufficed but he chose to transform Arjuna at this crucial juncture.

Nachiket | Mon, 07/29/2013 - 06:32
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Bhagavad Gita

I guess we should let the matter rest. If someone cannot fathom the depth of the scriptures, they should just ignore it. There is no point explaining to someone who is prejudiced and does not want to understand. I had serious misgivings about the Gita until not long ago. But thankfully I kept them to myself without going to a forum and pouring out my heart.

12kris | Mon, 07/29/2013 - 11:23
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I think that the discussion

I think that the discussion here is a blessed one and I salute to the one who had enough sincerity and courage to start it. A powerful text does not depend on whether someone can or cannot fathom it, this can be said about any text, the power of a powerful text is precisely in its ability to radiate on everyone and in anytime.

I think that a key principle for a spiritual seeker (as opposed to an organized religion devotee) is not to take anything for granted and not follow anything blindfolded. There were so many spiritual scriptures in history that were presented as great ones and everyone just followed that ruling without stopping, activating a conscious doubt and inspecting whether the king is naked or not.

The same way goes about labeling one who does not share your opinion as prejudice. With the same degree of validity, he can label you as prejudice. Finding the faults of the one who raises inconvenient stands is usually a way to escape a true debate regarding the essence.

The beauty of spirituality and this forum is that we do not need to limit ourselves to keep our doubts to ourselves but share and yes, pour our hearts in the presence of our co-seekers. Keeping things to ourselves is a proven method to get stuck and arrive at the wrong conclusions (this is by the way, the function of the sangha and the guru).

alon | Mon, 07/29/2013 - 16:57
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Love & Hate

Mr Prahlad,

The choice of name amuses me for I hope you are aware what it stands for in India. Prahlad was a great devotee of GOD and refused to acknowledge his Dad Hirnyakashapu as God.


Being your well wisher and wanting you be secure against the religious impulse I would like to inform you that relationship of love or hate with respect to a thing is psychologically considered the same. So if you want not to be touched by this disease please be indifferent.

You must be aware of example of Saul or Paul so beware.

joejo | Wed, 05/16/2012 - 02:01
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You are the master of yours......

Your thoughts are reflection of your mind.


You need to read the book again and again....The more you clear your mind...you will get more clear VISION of it.

bonya basu | Wed, 05/16/2012 - 01:39
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THanks for your replies.

THanks for your replies. Joejo, I know who Parhlad is, I jsut used the name to contradict my self. I am from a Brahman family. I have read gita many times.

Joe What u are saying is exactly wat spiritual masters are saying. They scare people. they tell them some thing bad will happen if they are against religion and out of fear the general public scum into the religion.

Bonya u are right, in this generation every one knows that we are masters of our own mind and we can manifest any thing after we get connected with the universal matrix from our mind and the emotions.

I would like to request you to think out side of the box. if u read geeta from line to line.. as a lay man. It is simply a brain wash.

Here Krishna is telling Arjuna to fight. So it is general brain wash to people that they should go to war thinking it is their karma. If u see all the religious mythology they always use kings and queens because for the genral public they are higher and Important. They give examples of the kings because the general public automatically thinks they are important.

So here.. the power people designed this book in such a way that if arjuna does it then the general guy have to do it. Krisna says it.. he is the supreme soul or wat ever... it should be right.

People really dont know where we go after we die. So all the religion are targeting this fear and using it to control people. Not only hindu also christian muslim ect. They all are copied from each other any ways.

prahlad | Wed, 05/16/2012 - 02:59
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Im serching in bhagvad geeta

Im serching in bhagvad geeta that where it says u are the master of ur own mind. All i see here is renunciation, giving up of material desire, devotion,

Bonya, if u could tell me the chapter and the verse it would be very nice. If not please give me in wat way gita makes u think in this way.

prahlad | Wed, 05/16/2012 - 03:47
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"Joe What u are saying is


Could you please let me know how you arived at this conclusion after reading my post. How did I try try to scare you. Infact I told you how you could further your aim of being untouched by religious impulse.

Any way I quote from chapter 6 regarding your query.

6.5 One should save oneself by oneself; one should
not lower oneself. For oneself is verily one's onw
friend; oneself is verily one's own enemy. (Chapter 6 shloka 5)

6.6 Of him, by whom has been conquered his very
for one who has not conquered his self, his self
itself acts inimically like an enemy.

English Translation of Sri Sankaracharya's Sanskrit
Commentary - Swami Gambhirananda
6.6 Tasya, of him; yena, by whom; jitah, has been
conquered, subdued; his eva atma, very self, the
aggregate of body and organs; that atma, self; is
bandhuh, the friend; atmanah, of his self. The idea
is that he is a conqueror of his senses. Tu, but;
anatmanah, for one who has not conquered his self,
who has no self-control; atma eva, his self itself;
varteta, acts; satruvat, like an enemy; satrutve,
inimically, with the attitude of an enemy.

joejo | Wed, 05/16/2012 - 04:04
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War signifies Psychological Conflict

To understand Gita one has to approach it as an Upnishad. The colophon at the end of each chapter states just that. It is a difficult book and I am afraid its import cannot be grasped without studying it in the context of Vedantic thought which is the acme of Sanatan dharma or eternal philosophy.

One has to understand the place of symbols and symbology as a method of instruction to deeper layers of our psyche. It is in this light that the war has to be understood as a confrontation with our own dilemmas and conflicts in our life (psyche) and the tendency of escape which is the instinct of flight on seeing danger which is characterised by the plea of renunciation by Arjuna.


joejo | Wed, 05/16/2012 - 04:30
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For the one person who has asked if Bhakti is greater than Karma



smodoor | Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:13
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In practice, they feel the same to me

Thank you.

In practice, I noticed they feel the same.

Quantum | Fri, 09/28/2012 - 20:05
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Hare Krsna

i fully agree with you...one needs to respect other's sentiments. Respecting all is the utmost requirement of being a good human being. And a site like Gurusfeet is where we all come forward with our opinion on spiritualism we have to be careful in not hurting the other's feeling and language can not be crass. That stand of yours i appreciate very much.

the first point of yours i slightly differ. yes dfntly karma is a must in this wordly life that we all lead. but will you not agree with me when i say karma, if, done as seva, that itself makes it a bhakti bhavana. That is my personal view. When you are in bhakti every karma of yours is a seva to the God Almighty. Whichever God you believe in, it should be dedicated to Him. Then automatically you dont expect any fruits or reward for that particular action you have done.

Manisha Krsnabhakta | Tue, 12/24/2013 - 07:29
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drop your mouth ?

Try to read it sans story and stage and your whole being might drop.


clarion | Fri, 10/19/2012 - 02:57
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There is always some basis

There is always some basis for the cynicism for the cynic. Very few people are actually answering the original query - what is specifically so great about Bhagavat Gita.

For me Gita poses an enigmatic riddle - work without attachment to the goal, and trying to solve this riddle helps you get its meaning.

I have expressed my interpretation on a blog

Hope it helps

amareshgautam | Thu, 08/22/2013 - 07:10
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Hi Amaresh,

The Gita is not a riddle....it is the essence of the Upanishads and one really needs a Guru to get the real
deep meaning of these slokas.....
The Gita was written in a graphic form for ordinary people to understand a deep 'truth'... a reality that we we do not know even today..we know the world around us, but very rarely do we know the reality that is behind all our experiences... the fact is that the 'reality' pervades the world...once we understand this truth, we can still be dynamic and progressive. Most of us live in the 'bliss of ignorance' and hence there is so much misery and suffering...
Just understanding the Gita intellectually will not help, hence it needs to be put into practice and only then we become WISER and will be able to handle our lives in a better way...

zarine | Thu, 08/22/2013 - 14:23
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Hi Amaresh, Just saw your

Hi Amaresh,

Just saw your blog.... suggest you read/study 'patanjali yoga sutra' and also 'samkhya'...........as your spoke of the three gunas...which will help in understanding the relevance of the gunas as well as give one a deeper insight into the Gita.


zarine | Thu, 08/22/2013 - 14:34
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"Boring Crap" and a two to three line answer Wow!

Live life in consciousness
within your self
to understand Gita

My three line answer.

Jai K Garg | Fri, 08/23/2013 - 05:28
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Any literature, for that matter anything you do gets boring when you are not involved fully. You keep reading the words and the words tend to be the same old pieces you are used to hearing for so long. I do not think Gita is as great as people glorify it also. But these texts are some that one sentence has the potential of changing a life forever.

Yeah, if you do not think it is so great, move on. Tao, A Course in Miracles, Dhamma, Kabala... endless choices.. To each his own..

Good luck.

Sudhakar Majety | Thu, 01/02/2014 - 16:52
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deepak Why should

Why should waste our time to convince you.......if you don't agree on anything then just should keep it upto yourself , why should making it like a showcase,brother first learn to respect the things then only will understand the things.....

deepakjaykar | Mon, 05/05/2014 - 06:22
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Shut/Wide-Open Your Mouth.

Hope the couplet will fulfill your wish.

Arjuna asked,
“Oh! Lord, how to bind?
The wavering mind
Is as strong as the wind.
Difficult I do find.”

The Blessed Lord said,
“Constant practice and dispassion combined
Can cause the wavering mind to bind.”

(the above two poems are from the Gita)

*** Salutations to the shoes of Guru Siddha Nath ***

Nathyogi | Fri, 07/25/2014 - 06:31
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I think bhagvat geeta is a boring crap

I am no one to judge u or make u understand anything about geeta.But because of my attachment with the worldly things, I wish to answer you.Good thing about u is,u want to find the truth. U still crave in someway to discover the magic in geeta. To discover the answer for your pains. That's why u would have thought about geeta(and may have read it).
I have not read geeta but has seen it on YouTube. There is a collection of 46 shows directed by Ramanand Sagar named Krishna. I am telling u whatever I have understood from it.
In his last teaching Lord Krishna himself says what u have said. Whatever yoga he taught to Arjuna was really a crap (although not a crap for those who cannot generate bhakti for god). But last teachings were not a crap. Lord Krishna himself told Arjuna that forget all those that he had told him earlier and just be absorbed in lord's bhakti. Bhakti is something that makes u Brahmaleen(absorbed in god). Its like melting I. Just imagine a situation where you have no identity. U have lost yourself completely. And now imagine a situation where you have attained complete peace.
Don't u think its possible. If u think its possible than geeta is fully scientific and true.
Its not about believing in Geeta. Its about believing in what it says. And believing just for your peace. If u can generate ultimate bhakti for Jesus and belief in The Holy Bible just go for it. There is no competition. The important thing is your liberation from the cycle of life and death.
Importance of preservation of Religion and the pristine character of such holy text is again human liberation. If we do not have such holy knowledge, we will not be able to liberate ourselves. Human life would become miserable. Widespread frustration would kill humans to the core and we would not be able to find its cure. I am sure that geeta would have been preserved by someone who knows the grave situation that would crop up without it.
I wish that may god bless you and may strengthen your curiosity. May u reach the eternal bliss which all human births are meant for.
Whatever I have written is explicitly or implicitly present in Geeta. So this is also an answer to your question, although not as precise as you wanted because of my human limitations.

Shreeansh | Sat, 12/06/2014 - 14:45
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Is ‘hypocrisy’ the right word?

Dank, I wonder why you’ve used the word ‘hypocrisy’ to describe BG. Are you sure you’ve used it rightly? I prefer the words ‘mumbo-jumbo’ or ‘hocus-focus’.

Can you pls describe in what sense you’ve used the word ‘hypocrisy’?

VickramM | Sat, 05/02/2015 - 13:29
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Dank, I liked your preemtive strike!

Dank, by cleverly stating, “convince me, but not with slogans and hollow arguments dependant on faith and tradition”, you’ve pre-emptively exposed the validity & quality of comments of the pro-BG brigade for what they truly are!

So you already knew the kind of comments that will be posted.

I am not surprised! Because these “hollow slogans and arguments” are what makes up the totality of their cultural brain esp. when it comes to Religion & God. And I am not just talking about Hindus but others too.

VickramM | Thu, 05/07/2015 - 10:45
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Ad hominem attacks against Dank!

This forum is full of ad hominem attacks (that is attacking the person rather than properly countering his views with logic) against Dank.

That is hardly a surprise for me. Because that is the trait of narrow-minded, hypocritical & unintelligent people who cannot think logically – and even admit to their flaws. So they take the easy way out – that is attack the person’s intention or character.

Most followers of all institutionalised religions indulge in ad hominem as their brains usually suffer from all kinds of “logical fallacies” – and they do not even know that.

VickramM | Thu, 05/07/2015 - 11:55
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I came too late but I hope you will someday find my message. You are 100% right!! I think people like you should be credited. You came out and spoke but most of the people never went to guru(or questioned their true-self) about the faith they have. You came here exactly with the faith! and tried your best to explain what you wanted. Your comment is beautiful because it is true. "hypocrisy", "over-glorified", "boring", "dry", """"story"""", "mediocre", "artificial". All this words used by you is like a lightning hit. "I will not convince you" if I say that I will mean the opposite because it have "convince" already in it. Similarly, people who like Gita also does not like it and vise-versa (I won't explain this because it will then lead to convincing you which I don't want and you also don't WANT). Yes I will Quote a verse from Gita


I know this seems soooooooo irrelevant to the topic. But unlike novels which are human made(Now I won't say Gita is god made because it is already in your mind.OPPOSITE) Gita's interpretations are not same for all(time/situation). This is what He does when you don't Like Gita! He will make your belief true. Now "He" does not means( may be it means) Krishna, You can say your inner most mind which lives for + and -.

My above comment may have dual effect because we are conditioned soul and so far we are conditioned(in Maya), we will not be able to leave + and -.

Buddha=Krishna=Christ=You. Since I wrote this "=" people will fight with me because of OPPOSITE and they are soo much socked in + and - they will forget everything they learnt. Thanks for helping me "dank" .

vipnexxt | Mon, 02/06/2017 - 19:24
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Bhagavad Geeta

Hi Dank,

Please dont get me wrong. I do not wish to convince you or anyone about Bhagavad Geeta. Least I can do is share my learning from this text.

I have really liked the practical aspect of Geeta i.e. "Offering".
I am a teacher before I start my class i just do a small mental prayer like

"Dear God, I am offering my body, mind and soul to you. I dont know what to say or how to say? Dear GOD please conduct this class through me. If it turns out well, all praises I will offer to you. If something goes wrong or if someone criticized that also I am offering to you. I am not the doer."

That is all. This has made a huge difference. It is practical. try it for yourself and see the results.

This concept I have learnt from Bhagavad Geeta.

May GOD bless you. Bye

mdjyoga | Tue, 05/29/2018 - 16:32
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We are not separate individuals other than physical bodies, egos, and personalities. God, Source, Spirit or whatever term you decide to use, is One. Meaning that we are not individuals living individual lives. We as individuals are not living life. Life (God or Source) is living us and as us. We as individual physical human beings have not created ourselves or brought ourselves into this physical illusionary world. Stay with me, I am going somewhere with this.

Your physical individuality is NOT in control; not in control of thoughts, actions, or anything else; because in reality, there is no individual self that is separate from Source.

God or Source, is One and is the only One that exists. Never born and never dies.

For God to experience physicality and experiences, God incarnated as us or temporary individuals. In reality, there is no right or wrong, good or bad. There is no judgement in reality. It is what it is.

So, for one individual human being (which God or Source is temporarily living as) to resonate or understand with one type of writing and not another, is how it is supposed to be.

We as individual human beings, do not need to "try" or "control" what another human being is doing. Whatever is, is meant to be. Go with your own understanding and let other's go with theirs. It is not meant to be for every human being to resonate with everything. The writing will be good for one individual, and another writing will be good for another individual. On this physical, temporary, existence, variety is meant to be.

Think of an ocean: The multitude of choppy waves on the top represents the individual ego, monkey mind. As the ocean gets deeper and deeper, it gets calmer and calmer, until it gets to the very bottom, which is complete stillness.

That complete stillness, or oneness, is an allegory of reality, which is God or Source.

This is the reason, some of us as individuals on this earth, meditate. To still and transcend the judgmental monkey mind, and become still and One. Transcendental Meditation helps to accomplish this.

This Oneness and stillness is what truly is immortal. It is the one and only part of us, which is connected and will never die.

Therefore, please experience peace and joy knowing that there is supposed to be individual differences on this physical plane of existence, but very deep down within you is that Oneness (Omnipresence, Omnipotent, and Omniscient) being that alone Is.

Lorster | Sun, 08/19/2018 - 15:55
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Delusory babblings in the name of God!

Please share all your God-based delusory babblings with people of your own Theist kind!

If there is "no right or wrong, good or bad" then why have Courts? Let's ban them, probably, in the name of God! LOL!

VickramM | Mon, 08/20/2018 - 07:00
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In this physical world is duality. In the spiritual world where we came from our source is non-duality.

Of Course in this physical world, there is right or wrong, good or bad, opposites. There is rules and laws in this physical world that human beings created.

I would not criticize something that I do not understand or never heard of. If you knew everything there is to know, then there would be no need to criticize or berate.

Do a google search on nonduality or Advaita Vedanta. Read from physicists like Michio Kaku. Read from psychological theorists such as Sigmond Freud or Carl Jung.

A true God-Like person would not have any negativity, judgment, criticism, demeaning comments, etc.

Lorster | Tue, 08/21/2018 - 23:34