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[–]cupcee 91 points92 points  (1 child)

You can tell he's serious with this thumbnail...

[–]Flaksmith 30 points31 points  (0 children)

his video thumbnails are the best, the last mibr one, just look at it.

[–]vituhyva123ENCE Fan 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Really good series idea, almost no-one else is going to be able or willing to do content like this.

[–]JigSaW_3 53 points54 points  (8 children)

Can't wait for the fallen one

[–]fitzcarraldo1London Conspiracy Fan 25 points26 points  (0 children)

As a IGL? Sure. But he's been playing very well lately as a player, definitely mibr's best, even though that's not saying much.

[–]ArcilleCR4ZY Fan 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Fallen has been a beast this year individually. A vid on his IGLing will be interesting but Fallen is still one of the best awpers rn

[–]DarkoplaxG2 Esports Fan 0 points1 point  (5 children)

probably f0rest next i'm guessing

[–]sylvainmirouf10 Year Veteran 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Are you drunk

[–]DarkoplaxG2 Esports Fan 0 points1 point  (3 children)

idk i u watched any of thorin's content but i'm expecting a f0rest vid in this series

[–]sylvainmirouf10 Year Veteran 3 points4 points  (2 children)

F0rest is royalty but he's far from stealing paychecks

[–]Opposite_Situation 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Who said anything about stealing paychecks?

[–]sylvainmirouf10 Year Veteran 1 point2 points  (0 children)


[–]LeweyyLSFnatic Fanatic 61 points62 points  (0 children)

I was dreading watching this when I saw it. I’ll admit, I am one of those guys who just won’t believe olof’s time is over. I will always look up to that guy as the guy who got me into this game. Thanks for the great insight and well put together video /u/Thooorin_2 - I hope he takes your advice.

[–]PTSD55FaZe Clan Fan 32 points33 points  (15 children)

Great video, I agree 100 percent. But how many people still defend Olof? Every time FaZe plays, all I see on Reddit and HLTV (I know forums are shit but still) is that Olof should be cut.

[–]LeweyyLSFnatic Fanatic 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Yeah; a lot of that is this one guy p0mp0us. Has an olof flair and constantly posts threads digging into the guy in a really unnecessary way, which has lead more and more people into disagreeing that Olof needs to change - probably because people don’t want to agree with that prick

[–]lpc1994 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Guy might just be playing 4d chess.

[–]RealSymbioidFaZe Clan Fan 4 points5 points  (2 children)

He said he wants FaZe to win and Olof to join another team so he doesn't have to play shitty positions and starts performing better. I see how that might work on paper, I just don't know which tier1 team would want to have Olof, I actually think that FaZe is gonna be Olof's last team. Thorin's take in this video is much better and I agree with him.

[–]LeweyyLSFnatic Fanatic 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yeah I do agree. I do feel as though as much as olof isn’t performing that a change in teams would possibly bring about a new resurgence, as he definitely isn’t utilised in FaZe right now regardless. I too wonder who would pick him up though :/ Here’s hoping he proves everyone wrong and comes back stronger!

[–]RedditLCSCoach 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He just loses most of his aim duels.. that has nothing to do with utilizing him "wrong".

[–]marzo4 7 points8 points  (7 children)

theres still a lot, they justify his poor performance bc he has the shit roles, but overall olof gets a lot of hate which sucks to see cuz hes a great guy and an amazing player, a legend.

[–]PsychazValeria 0 points1 point  (6 children)

he's not an amazing player, he used to be

[–]marzo4 6 points7 points  (4 children)

bruh istg ur comments are always so crusty, im referring to his overall career ffs.

[–]punindyaFaZe Clan Fan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lmao I don't know why you're downvoted. Olof is clearly past it and anyone who thinks he's still great is blinded by emotions.

[–]mannyman34Team Liquid Fan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not condoning hate. But people like Stewie, amanek, shox, fallen, could argue taco etc get a lot more heat than olof ever does even tho they are all about the same or better. Everytime during a faze thread it is always about Niko being igl and not that olof is a bit a lot of the time.

[–]JustHereF0rFun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The ones that do defend him are mostly just a lot less vocal about it, due to the fact they probably just aren’t super big Cs fans or they have an emotional attachment to them. But I think what thoorin is addressing is mostly the fact that faze clan, the org itself is holding it back.

[–]Thooorin_2Analyst, Content Producer - Thorin[S] 127 points128 points  (10 children)

I love legends, but I don't love when they are taking up spots from other players because their name is too powerful. This series will call into question the current status of some of the biggest names.

[–]Octopus_Tetris 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yuuughs = years.

[–]lete92 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is great

[–]alexhyams 18 points19 points  (8 children)

Not that I'll claim olof is a great player or anything, but I find it funny that thorin just made a video about how stats are only the beginning of analysis but this video is basically all stats. Would be interesting to have done this video with some demo clips that outline some key flaws in olof's game that cost his team from winning rounds. Especially since he calls for someone else to make a video with game footage to make a counter argument to the stats he shows.

[–]KaSachaMirage Veteran 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And then he asks for someone to show demos if you want to argue the opposite lol

[–]brettrubin 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I’m guessing you didn’t watch the video then? He literally references that video in the first minute

[–]alexhyams 12 points13 points  (5 children)

Watched the entire video. His referencing it made me think he'd do something other than show stats. Made it disappointing when he didn't and prompted my comment

[–]squeak37 12 points13 points  (4 children)

He mentioned the eye test once, and that was about a different player. I'm fully with you, he contradicted himself here by not going beyond stats IMO.

That being said, his general point is correct IMO, and the eye test backs it up. Olof hasn't been his old self or close to it.

[–]alexhyams 8 points9 points  (3 children)

What actually tilts me is that I haven't watched faze play, so I really wouldn't know if olof is effective enough to be in faze. Some breakdown beyond "his kpr is lower than his dpr" would have helped me understand olof's play recently.

The way to make this video imo is to take clips of olof from faze's hayday, look at what spots he plays and how he rotates/trades/baits to help win the round. Then take clips from recently, and compare them. Is he playing new spots? Is he playing solo now/then? Is he dying in positions where he can't be traded? Is he surviving long enough? Is he now on a rifle in spots he may have awped before?

That info is a lot more interesting and relevant than comparing 2 players ADRs imo, especially in a 27 minute video.

Thorin has been on point with videos the last week or so but this one is a pretty big miss for me.

[–]squeak37 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Thorin dodges that mildly by basically demanding that Olof defenders do the work and provide those vids. It's a bit of a lazy call IMO, he's just given stats saying Olof is playing crap and asking for proof to be proven wrong... Even though, as you said earlier, he only talks stats.

I personally am really interested in how Olof performs with a dodgy IGL. Niko is a great player, but not a great IGL yet IMO. Olof might be the kind of player that needs a stronger IGL.

[–]alexhyams 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Personally I'd love to make a video analyzing his play from different eras to see how he plays spots differently and look within the context of the meta to see what it is specifically that is costing him in the game (outside just aim). Definitely don't have the time for that though. And probably not the patience either.

[–]Lidlelele 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thorin made the video and mentioned stats saying the same fans who will call an igl shit for having bad stats or a player they don't like as much will turn a blind eye to stats as soon as it's a player they like. The video is literally saying if you think x person is shit because of stats then you must defend why you say olof isn't for example.

[–]PlatinumBeerKegFaZe Clan Fan 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Haven't watched yet but olof was my first true favorite player back on fnatic. But I agree his time is over and needs to be cut to make room on faze for someone that will really help the team going forward

[–]kubat313Brigadier General 5 points6 points  (2 children)

No one on the market right now tho. This team has eneugh firepower, it has leadership problems. I would say alex would be good. But he probably doednt want to travel as much as faze do. So idk

[–]FearHeWhoFearNothing 1 point2 points  (1 child)

lekr0 is available

[–]GlitteringChargeHydra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah he just said that no one is on the market right now

[–]Succisnotdead100 Thieves Fan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really really hope he takes your advice and comes back as a better player.

[–]Lidlelele 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Some people seem to be taking the video as thorin being hypocritical and saying stats aren't everything but then saying olof is bad because of stats. The topic about esports royalty is speaking on how fans will look at stats to say a player is shit who they don't like or don't care for but will then ignore stats when saying esports royalty is still good.

[–]alexhyams 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of this video isn't about fans but rather about how olof is bad. He even literally draws conclusions that olof is worse and offers suggestions for him to get good again. All on the basis that bad stats means bad player. Sure olof might be as bad as thorin says, but its pretty hypocritical for him to use only stats, not to mention its hardly worth a 27 minute video when i can just open hltv and compare 2 numbers myself. This video should have been demo reviews.

[–]Draemeth 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I still have faith that Olof will get the passion back for the game and see I as more than a job again

[–]JeanneHusseTeam Vitality Fan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lots of French players getting rehabilitated, love it.

[–]AlwaysLearningTKTeam Vitality Fan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can't wait for the rpk one.

[–]KING_ADDYFaZe Clan Fan -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Who's thorin?

[–]Blue_Pigeon1 Million Subs Celebration 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What’s Thorin?