Was Atlantis in the New World?

Old Postcard of Cholula Pyramid near Puebla Mexico.

Hello dear readers,

We continue to work on the mystery of where the heck was Atlantis and why do some scholars and historians think it was in the New World, and more specifically, why do they think it was in or close to Mexico? Was Atlantis in the New World? If you missed our earlier post, you may want to check it out here.

What Makes Mexico Similar to Atlantis?

Well, for one thing the architecture and layout of the place is very very similar to the description of Atlantis. The Great Pyramid at Cholula has a circular layout very similar to the circular layout that Plato described when describing Poseidon, the capital of Atlantis. Cholula has an enormous base, actually the biggest platform of any pyramid that has been found so far in the world.

Why isn’t there anything left of Cholula? The stones of Cholula were looted to build the bases and buildings of many of the cathedrals and churches in the area. The pyramid was once thought to have a jade Quetzalcoatl on top but that, too, was stolen by the Spanish.

Also, the Cholula pyramid has a stepped design similar to the Ziggurats of Babylon. Toltec legend claims the pyramid was built at the command of seven giants. The seven giants somehow survived the great flood. Toltecs believed that the pyramid was built so that the seven giants could climb to heaven. The legend said that the Gods destroyed the pyramid with fire as well as convoluting the giants’ languages. Therefore, they were unable to reach heaven and could not even understand each other. End of story.

The Aztec Calendar Disturbs the Early Church

Another Atlantean-type conspiracy theory is that the early Aztecs seemed to have way more information than they should have. This is evidenced by their astounding Aztec calendar.

Another thing that the early Church found very disturbing was the Aztec calendar. The Aztecs seemed to have an earlier date for creation than the Church did. The Aztec calendar of eighteen months with twenty days with the added five day period at the end of the year created a unease within the Church. It seemed to be identical to the 360 day calendar of the oldest civilization of Egypt, an unsettling fact to Church scholars who know that Egyptians held that their god Thoth had shared the calendar with other cultures. Not only that, but Thoth shared the knowledge of language, astronomy, and mathematics to other civilizations. is this where the Aztecs got their fancy calendar?

Aztec Maya Calendar Postcard

In 1790, workmen in Mexico City discovered a huge flat stone buried under mud. After cleaning, it was found to be perfectly round and intricately carved on the bottom. This star calendar was a single slab of basalt twelve feet across, three feet thick, and weighing over twenty tons. The legendary clock of the Aztecs had been found!

First hand accounts of people who traveled with Pizarro told of a great golden calendar disk at Cuzco, Peru. However, Pizarro had melted in down into gold ingots. Any further discoveries of calendars were destroyed by Cortez and the Church. However, this giant calendar was just to big to be broken and destroyed so it was buried face down Tenochtitlan. When the drains lake became part of Mexico City, it once again showed up.

Although referred to as the Aztec Calendar, it is actually much older even than the time of the Maya most likely.

Unlike common thought, the Aztec Stone disc calendar was not necessarily an altar of sacrifice. Instead it was a complex triple calendar that measured the movements of the stars and the planets, which equated to Aztec thought as to the movement of the gods. Each day had a specific meaning and number. Each day and group of days had their own god as well.

To say that the Aztec calendar is complicated, is an understatement. It contains a knowledge of star tracking and the concepts of Precession of the Equinoxes that would require observing and recording Earth’s movements for at least 26,000 years!

All This to Say, it is Very Complicated

So, dear reader, we are once again left with a conundrum. Were the Aztecs actually ancestors of the ancient Atlanteans who somehow made their way to this area of Mexico City? Was this area actually Atlantis all along? Was Aztlan somewhere else? Is Aztlan really Atlantis?

It seems certain that the Aztecs had a higher intelligence and knowledge. Was it obtained from the Egyptian sharing of knowledge? It has been proven that Egyptians could have made their way to this area of the world on rudimentary craft (don’t get us started on that train of thought!).

Were they so smart because they were ancestors of Atlanteans? Were they just maybe THAT SMART? a

We continue to delve into this and hope you have enjoyed this little snippet of information.

Thank you for stopping by –

Jaja in for Madam X

We obtained part of our information from this great website:


and this book, Atlantis in America by Ivar Zapp and George Erikson.

Is Aztlan the Real Atlantis?

Is this Atzlan?

Hello dear Readers,

We have had several inquiries recently about whether or not Aztlan is actually Atlantis. Could the mysterious and mystical Aztland actually be the true Atlantis?

And if not, where the heck was Aztlan anyway? Therefore, we continue to research this and get information to you, dear readers.

A quick update on Madam X indicates that she is now trekking the Appalacian Trail (we know!). Is it even safe during this time of pandemic? Is she wearing a mask? No one knows. She doesn’t check in! Staff here at HQ continue to plod along, attempting to answer your questions and research bizarre and unexplainable happenings in the desert.

Anyway, to our question of the ages:

Was Aztlan Actually Atlantis?

The Aztecs of Mexico had one of the most powerful empires of the ancient Americas. That is not in question. There is a great deal known about the Aztecs. We know, for example, that the Aztecs lived close to Mexico City. However, there is not so much known about where and how they got started.

So… the legend of Aztlan continues. Was it a real location and if so, is it the site of the real Atlantis? Or is it just another myth?

Aztlan was where the Aztec people emerged from the earth through seven caves at Chicomonstoc. The legend says  that seven tribes emerged from this earthly portal – the Acolhua, Chalca, Mexica, Tepaneca, Tlahuica, Tlaxcalan, and Xochimilca peoples. These tribes left the Chicomoztoc caves and settled at Aztlan.

Quetzalcoatl Temple in Mexico. Postcard. Is this part of the lost Atlantis?

What does Aztlan EVEN Mean?

Aztlan in Nuahuatl (ancient language of the Aztec people) means “place of cranes” or “place of whiteness” (referring to the cranes’ white feathers). One legend says that it is located northwest of the Aztec capital (Tenochititlan) and was an island rising from a lake.

The Aztecs lived at Atzlan until a further migration took them to Tula. Tula is located about 50 miles north of Mexico City. Tula is further believed by some to be Tollan, the legendary capital of the Toltecs.

Is the Atlantis Theory Valid or Just Crazy Talk?

There is some validity to the theory that Aztlan was Atlantis. For example, the words Atlas and Atlantic are not European words. There is no similar etymology in any European language.

Atl in Nahuatl language means water.  No surprise there. It is in the indigenous languages of the Americas that we find all of the atl words – atlan meaning “border of or in water” and is where we get the word Atlantic. There is also the word atlaca meaning “to emerge from water” and atlas is, of course, the origin of the word Atlas.

There are many other similar Atlantis-sounding place names all through the Americas.

Quetzalcoatl Temple from Postcard. Does this look like Atlantis imagery to you?

Then Where Did Aztlan Go?

Our theory here at HQ is that it was an island which was also destroyed and then sunk to the bottom of the lake underneath what is now Mexico City.

Other scholars claim that it was not in the area around Mexico City at all, but in the Four Corners region of the U.S. Southwest.

Yet another theory says that Aztlan was in Utah. Cecilio Orozco has written two books on this subject, “the Book of the Sun, Tonatiuh” and “Las Letras del Licenciado Alfonso Rivas Salmon.” Orozco said that he found evidence of a glyph in Sego Canyon in Utah from around 500 B.C. which corresponds to the Aztec calendar.

Yucatan Pyramid Postcard. Could this be part of a lost Atlantis?

Whoa… Blythe, California?

Another theory is that Aztlan is today’s Blythe, California, but we will save that theory for more in-depth discussion. Be reading Alfredo Acosta Figueroa’s fascinating book “Ancient Footprints of the Colorado River: La Cuna de Aztlan” so you can be prepared for that exciting historical discussion.

Like all of the mysteries of the Southwest, this one continues to stymy and perplex the scholars and conspiracy-theorists.

Atlantis has been claimed to be Aztlan, somewhere in  Mount Shasta, under Sedona, and destroyed in the Bermuda Triangle. These are just a few. Send us your favorite wild theory on where Atlantis is or was !

We will probably never know the mysteries of Atlantis but may be able to someday unravel the mysteries of Aztlan with your help, dear and faithful readers.

Stay tuned!

Climately Challenged Yours –

JaJa standing in for Madam X

Thanks to these websites for some helpful information about Aztlan:


https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-myths-legends-americas/lost-city-aztlan-legendary-homeland-aztecs-002550http://ancient origins

Dog Days of Summer

Hello Dear Friends,

mountain lion, morongo basin, california
Don’t get eaten by a Mountain Lion



Madam X sends her regards. She has taken off for the summer once again! This time to work in the Congo with the ebola patients and has left us here to do the heavy lifting.


We can neither write or think half as cleverly as Madam X so we are opting to entertain our loyal readers with photos and dire warnings for the rest of the summer.

We recently went hiking at the Big Morongo Canyon Preserve in California and found these signs very disconcerting as the area is heavily forested with trees.

Yes, you are on a boardwalk. Nonetheless, it would be quite easy for a mountain lion to snag you as as you leaned over to look in the water.

Be forewarned.

They might as well have added Mothman and Big Foot to the list. Who knows what lurks in that underbrush?

Morongo Basin, mountain lion tracks
To be forewarned is to be forearmed.

Stay safe, dear friends,

Usuri Moray sitting in for Madam X

Momento Mori. Remember you will die.