September 26, 2009

Dual discipline systems in Tucson public schools

Columnist Doug MacEachern writes in the Arizona Republic:
Tucson schools create race-based system of discipline




Tim Wise is America's foremost Uncle Tim.











It is an invitation to chaos.





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Anonymous said...

I used to substitute teach quite a bit in city schools. I tried to keep telling myself, "Today I will see that kids from different races/ethnic backgrounds, on average, behave the same. White kids don't necessarily behave better than minorities." Reality always bit me on the tush, however...

Anonymous said...

I used to agree with Steve when he poked fun at Tim Wise, until i read this article:

The guy is sincere, not to mention a great writer.

Anonymous said...

This is just making de jure what I'm sure is already de facto in many school systems. My mother was a high school teacher in Ann Arbor, Michigan from the 60's into the 90's, and one of her complaints was that the black students could get away with a lot more than the white students, because if you treated them the same too many black students would be suspended or expelled, and the black parents and their allies in the administration (the student councilors in particular), would cry racism, and all sorts of hell would break loose (Ann Arbor being a liberal university town and all). I went through the same school system myself, and it certainly seemed to be true that black students were pretty much immune to discipline for all but the most serious offenses.

My mother, like all the teachers, did her best to teach everyone who came into her classroom, but she had an interesting observation. She said that her best students tended to fall into two categories: those who did well because they worked their asses off, and those who were so smart that they didn't have to work hard, but could just cruise right through (something that wasn't necessarily going to serve them well in later life!). I'm sure everyone here can see this coming from a mile away, but while good students who were white or Asian could fall into either category, the good black students were always very hard workers.

Anonymous said...

Maybe its time for some white parents in Tucson to file a Ricci-style disparate treatment lawsuit end stop this nonsense right now.

Dalrock said...


It isn't entirely accurate to say this is a new plan. The same policy has been in effect for every major school system in the US for quite some time now. The difference is in this case the board is stating outright what has been the de facto plan, because the "unwritten" rule wasn't effective enough in equalizing outcomes.

Dalrock said...

One more thought. It strikes me how the civil rights movement has finally achieved the antithesis of its founding objectives.

The conflict with Affirmative Action and Dr King's vision of judging based on content of character instead of color of skin is often pointed out. But that parallel is weak compared to this decision to literally have different standards of character by race.

Then there is the recent case where a white was refused a seat on a bus by blacks. It is like Rosa Parks in an alternate universe.

I almost forgot government sanction of black thugs with clubs guarding polling places to intimidate whites from voting.

All of the powerful images of injustice from the civil rights movement now are being recreated in reverse. All that seems missing is footage of blacks using fire hoses to stop peaceful white protest.

Anonymous said...

> literally have different standards of character by race <

This seems to have been the norm during most of human history that we know of, until about 60 years ago.

They were all wrong, those stereotyping bastards!

Anonymous said...


They were all wrong, those stereotyping bastards!"

Good point. The conservative cause would be helped a lot if smart folks of today spent more time reading the classics. They don't even have to be exclusively Western classics. During the 5000 years since the invention of writing no culture has ever come up with anything resembling PC until the 20th century. From the modern point of view Aristotle, Plato, Confucius, Shakespeare, Voltaire, Goethe, etc, etc. were all raging racists, sexists and other kinds of haters.

Every single culture that left any records - the Egyptians, the Hittites, the Mayans, the Persians - can be shown to have been "racist", "sexist", etc. if judged by modern standards. Writing was invented by humanity at least 3 separate times, civilizations started from scratch on separate, inaccessible by the rest of humanity continents, and they all ended up sharing the same "wrong", "hateful" and "discredited" assumptions about gender and ethnicity. Pure coincidence, right? Across these vast expanses of space and time, they all must have been wrong in exactly the same way about exactly the same things.

Anonymous said...

When the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was being debated in the US Senate, Barry Goldwater said that he was going to vote against it because it would surely lead to quotas and double standards. Hubert Humphrey, a sponsor of the bill, said, that if this ever happened, he would eat a copy of the bill. Well, if Hubert were still with us, I'd buy the hot sauce.

Mr. Anon said...

"Dalrock said...


Wrong. It is still pursuing its founding objectives. What makes you think that its real objectives were the ones they told YOU about?

Anonymous said...

The guy is sincere, not to mention a great writer.

The guy is a third-rate hack. His writings on race are full of half-truths and even outright fabrications.

And since when is sincerity the measure of a man? Is being a sincere hater something to be proud of? Wise is one of the most virulent anti-white racists writing today.

I don't think "Uncle Tim" really fits Wise, however. Uncle Tim implies race traitor, and Wise isn't a traitor.

Anonymous said...

The one good thing about this is that now average white kids can feel the same justice in schools as ultra-high-IQ white kids did in the 1945-1985 "golden age" of public education.

Karma is a bitch, isn't it?