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9:00 PM
@Prismatic :P wow
yo all of this was by bluefeet
who wasn't even in this chat
"chat is supposed to be welcoming to all users if you say something that could be considered inappropriate by a reasonable person" laffo
this is pretty funny
Ahh, the memories back in computer science college
@Rapptz he was for a bit
9:00 PM
she actually
I think he came in after some flags
@Rapptz yes I was
but I could be wrong
Do you really need to list Linux three times
"inappropriate" in this chat room isn't defined by common sense, unfortunately
9:00 PM
English be hard
cout << "english is hard" << endl;
frequently you hear by regulars that the regulars in here would decide what is appropriate and not
@TonyTheLion she*
I had a challenge with a friend for writing a for loop that prints a penis during the algorithm class in the lap
9:01 PM
@JohannesSchaub-litb Yeah, which is fine by me
As long as the Stack Overflow rules are kept as well.
@Prismatic i suggest you put C++, C++Gnu, C++11
@EtiennedeMartel Well you understand context.
The lounge is not exempt from the normal chat rules.
And you know, we know Jerry to know when he's joking.
@MadaraUchiha doesn't mean that this whole debacle was just an overreaction.
9:02 PM
@TonyTheLion Perhaps.
Nothing Jerry said was bad anyway, whether taken as a joke or not
But cosh's reaction surely did not help the escalation here.
@Rapptz I'd go so far as to say it was a bad joke, but still.
@MadaraUchiha i have seen previously that people in here did post offensive stuff like some disgusting things about butts .. and they say it's OK because a regular did it
Some things said here are far worse than what either Jerry or Coshman said
9:03 PM
waves hand
Hahahah ahaha ha removed my message
@TonyTheLion I basically read that as "You should ban us more often".
@CatPlusPlus which one?
@JohannesSchaub-litb wow... so unprofessional. Talking about butts?
9:03 PM
@TonyTheLion cough; whisper cock
Am I being disrespectful to myself now
you're saying things that a reasonable person would consider inappropriate
get your shit together, duh.
I like girls with big butts
This whole drama thing is funny as shit
9:04 PM
yeah it kinda is
I don't think we can swear anymore friends
I mean, with big butt cheeks
@BartekBanachewicz Who defines "reasonable"?
wait until @R.MartinhoFernandes comes back and sees it
Much better than a regular slow Lounge night
9:04 PM
The swear police is here.
totally two different things, I learned recently
@EtiennedeMartel I guess the people with guns suspension powers
did somebody mention butts
Someone doesn't know what Streissand effect is
@Rapptz Correction: "This whole drama thing is funny as human fecalia"
9:05 PM
This room was placed in timeout for 2 minutes; the topic of this room is "We offer degrees in type seduction. " - conversation should be limited to that topic.
Let's get this straight.
We don't disallow swearing in our chatrooms
We don't prevent you from saying what you want.
oh c'mon
don't make it any worse
But when we see you discussion about how girls prefer having sex, what are we supposed to think?
I don't really care about how you discuss here
But there is a limit
And that limit was reached.
The reaction from the user absolutely did not help, so it escalated.
Also someone is about as good at moderating as an automatic clbuttic regex filter
@MadaraUchiha except from freezing the room, that is
If you don't want mods intervention, don't do things that require mod intervention.
9:07 PM
Brave New World
@MadaraUchiha You are going down a very dangerous path
@Elyse prefer it to what?
@MadaraUchiha yes and just before you tell us we can't talk about something.. the irony of that
@JohannesSchaub-litb to not having it.
9:07 PM
@MadaraUchiha s/how/when/ and it's (as noted) an observation of a fact. Also, you're not.
that was weird... the chat entry area was counting down the number of messages I hadn't looked at
and wouldn't let me chat
ok I"m done
bye all
@MadaraUchiha not to sound aggressive or anything, but IIRC you became a mod a few days ago. I don't think declaring a war on lounge is the best way to start your modding career.
bye Tony Blair
As in, many have tried.
9:08 PM
@TonyTheLion See you tomorrow
Ok.. different topic then.. so im working on an operator overloading assignment...
Apart from anything else, the countdown thingy is extremely annoying:(
@BartekBanachewicz Are you sure?
Because I've had a really long day, and a war sounds very good to me. Test me.
That suspension reminded me of the legendary battle between Madara Uchiha and Senjo Hashirama
9:08 PM
@Mgetz It was a timeout, not the number of messages you hadn't read
Oh you fucking betcha
@KhaledAKhunaifer a naruto fan arent you? :)
@MadaraUchiha Wait, is your behavior right now caused by external factors?
@Prismatic quite sure that was a joke
@EtiennedeMartel Of course it is
9:09 PM
I don't like going around in circles.
How would you guys rate our new mod on a scale from Gordon to genesis?
@MadaraUchiha I think you should go to sleep and maybe resume this tomorrow then.
@MadaraUchiha I am sure in that your reactions might look at least as a new-cop-in-town showoff style. The person whose message started this conversation has way more contribution to the SO than you. So do many people here. Stop treating as trash just because you have a blue nick.
@Jefery (or not)
9:10 PM
I don't think you are making very good choices right now.
@Nathan saddly we've been dumped into the filler ark recently
@BartekBanachewicz The level of contribution does not matter if your abusive and disruptive.
@MadaraUchiha with all respect, having moderated several IRC channels for years now, my experience has taught me to walk lightly and threaten to carry a big stick. Actually swinging it has very big chilling effects that were not desirable.
9:10 PM
@KhaledAKhunaifer naruto is like.. my favorite anime... when fillers are not involved. :P
@JonClements amen
@MadaraUchiha How about we all tone it down a little.
@BartekBanachewicz This is our consensus at the moment.
9:11 PM
Does anyone wonder why so many moderators are in here right now? This room has gotten pretty far off the rails today. Please keep it respectful and clean in here.
@BartekBanachewicz That azure nick, though
What I've learned over time is that the mods who get the best results in the Lounge do not act in an hostile manner.
A beauty, if I've ever seen one
We will not tolerate derogatory messages in chat.
I do not respect myself
9:12 PM
Sigh is this another just-elected moderator.
I am a ridiculous idiot and a nerd
@EdCottrell No, wait. Your moderating actions have gone far off the rails.
6 mins ago, by Madara Uchiha
We don't prevent you from saying what you want.
It's something you mods have stirred up, not us.
where's @BoltClock
9:12 PM
@EtiennedeMartel As long as you adhere to the Be Nice rule.
@Jefery Not sure what you're talking about; I've deleted a couple of comments, but that's it.
he was a good mod.
I am a lot more worried about the not-funny messages on the starboard than about all the fuzz about swearing.
Note, it was not a derogatory message
@MadaraUchiha But we're nice. You're the one not being nice here.
9:12 PM
You don't get to degrade others in the name of free speech.
@Nathan also aside from that new series Burrito or whatever.. where naruto has grown up to turn out unlike his handsome father, into a faggot who looks like a punk from a japanese tokyo gang movie
Nobody said anything about free speech
Also nobody fucking degraded anyone for that matter
I'm bored now, call me when this site is good (that'll be never)
@CatPlusPlus I beg to differ. And so do at least 2 other people.
9:13 PM
@MadaraUchiha and there are many more who disagree.
@KhaledAKhunaifer ..i actually havent gotten that far into naruto.. but I did hear about the stupid kid naruto names is child. :P
@BartekBanachewicz You want to bring it out to meta?
@KhaledAKhunaifer its sad if your parents name you burrito for the rest of your life.
And see how many people actually disagree?
@MadaraUchiha Why do you keep saying this as a challenge?
9:14 PM
@MadaraUchiha Let's do it
BTW is a mod allowed to delete comments of others on a question if those comments a replies to a comment of himself and he finds out his comment was a mistake?
Why are you the one being hostile?
@Jefery Feel free.
Can we halt this discussion for now and continue it when Cicada is back?
@MadaraUchiha Does having a blue nick and banning power really made you that aggresive? Is that the prison-guard effect?
9:14 PM
Let's see how many people agree with the original action taken against Jerry.
Bois and grills: jropung.serrabqr.arg/?punaaryf=%23ybhatrpcc
You know what do do with that
@BartekBanachewicz I'm being aggressive because you guys have.
IMO this should not be allowed... The mod made a false claim about some c++ code and i corrected him
PSA ==============
@EdCottrell Everytime I come in here I see people claiming this, and no one seems to know what it is actually about. Is it /possible/ that perhaps people get upset about this? There's a whole crackdown and not a lot of clarity what it is about. At all. Perhaps we can think of a way to present the case, in a controlled fashion. Preferably with evidence.
Because the claims have been high and broad, and nothing was substantiated. If you can't do that, please do with this room as you please, but don't bother us in the meantime, because I personally see why the population is getting agitated with the vacuous threats with no visible cause.
A: Lounge C++ frozen by mod?

GordonNow that the dust has somewhat settled, I'll throw in my 2c. First some reconstruction to what lead to the freezing: One of the users posted a link to a site that contained a video and some very graphic pictures, including the message "wow this is sick and NSFW". The content was highly inapprop...

9:15 PM
END PSA ====
He later found out and deleted his and my comment
@MadaraUchiha And you think this is an appropriate course of action? Responding to aggresion with more aggresion just because you have the bigger guns?
Do you people really think that drama just happens at your doorstep?
This isn't new. Lounge has been in talks with moderators way before
@sehe There is plenty of evidence in this screen alone. The level and type of profanity in here has gotten out of hand.
9:16 PM
@MadaraUchiha Well, can you explain why you think that is a good idea?
A: Definitive rules on chat rooms with non-technical discussion

balphaFirst of all, thanks a lot for your help in this. Really appreciated. Now, while there's obiously no clear-cut answer to this, here are a few tell-tale signs I can see. You already identified much of this yourself, and I agree with your reasoning so far. All of these are merely hints that should...

Terms degrading anyone (women, men, or any other category or person) are not acceptable in here.
> The room generates conversation in a tone that cannot by any stretch of imagination be considered "professional". This may e.g. be A/S/L types of conversation, bullying, back-and-forth accusations, etc.
I shouldnt have disclosed that butt thing.. Damnit
9:17 PM
@EdCottrell I meant, before that, obviously. Please read my PSA carefully
@MadaraUchiha But that was always the case in the Lounge. Why is that a problem now?
@MadaraUchiha well right now you're essentially provoking us, so, well, yeah it so happens.
@Elyse I recall
9:17 PM
5 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
Sigh is this another just-elected moderator.
I was just curious and decided to do a chat lawyer search
Are we over this already?
If my name were still rightfold, I'd answer that with that it doesn't mention any genitalia at all, for I don't (yet) have a vagina.
Can we continue on starring COCK, please?
Feels much more mature than this shit tbh
@MadaraUchiha If that's the case, what's the delay. Please consider my comment. Nice quotations like this (in internet terms: shitposting) are fueling the anxiety/rage. You're doing it.
9:18 PM
In essence there's nothing new over what the Lounge has been over already except the fact election was a few weeks (days?) back
@sehe I read your supposed "PSA" - it doesn't change anything that I or the other moderators have said.
@EdCottrell That's possible. Now, what can we do, except be unpleasantly surprised with the whole situation?
The greatest battle scene in naruto is one between Sauske & killer bee. The reason is because killer bee was using statistics to trick Sauske who have eyes that are can do statistical analysis in no time.
> supposed PSA
So, wait. The two mods in here were both elected this year.
So I guess they simply didn't get the memo.
9:20 PM
Peeps, let's get it over with. Just delete the damn room.
It's not worth it.
We should send them the memo at least eight times.
@sehe Seriously? Clean it up in here. Stop using gender-based profanity, as the most obvious step.
@sehe We could "calm our tits" (as the dictionary says) and get back to putting COCK on the starboard
@sehe What is PSA?
Q: The "Be Nice Policy" - and Chat

rolflThe revised "Be Nice Policy" states: Don't be a jerk. .... Inappropriate language or attention. Avoid vulgar terms and anything sexually suggestive. Also, this is so not a dating site. When a clarification about how this applies to Chat room on the Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) sites, the...

9:20 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь We stopped that months ago, sicko
I'm not sure I like this "new mods, new rules" thing.
Start using gender neutral terms
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not sure I like the status quo any better.
@sehe It's definitely more mature than this shit
> Also, this is so not a dating site.
9:21 PM
@Nathan That scene was so great that I didn't even expect that he even used the bell factor to raise the probability of making a successful attack.
@EtiennedeMartel There are quite a few moderators in here, actually.
@EtiennedeMartel I don't think I care about that. I'm happy to deal with new mods and new wishes. It's a mutual relationship. We can use the help of mods, and they can use ours.
I'd also like to remind you of what the starboard looked like around 3-4 hours ago
@MadaraUchiha oh god
What did I walk into...
9:21 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь Please step away from the keyboard for a bit then. You might be surprised what levels of maturity are feasible
@EdCottrell and, again, the only ones being fired up are the newly elected ones. Coincidence?
@EdCottrell Maybe, but isn't it strange how the most hostile of them are the two most recently elected?
@BartekBanachewicz Well and bluefeet.
sigh.. and I originally thought this would be a nice place to talk about some code... :P
11 mins ago, by Jon Clements
9:22 PM
BoltCock is the best mod.
@BartekBanachewicz And yet everything was started by a more senior mod and a Stack Exchange employee.
bluefeet actually started this
I have no clue. I'm trying to get informed, but no one on either side is cooperating.
What's the use of being an owner that way.
It's not that we're the only ones fired up
I'd say you're doing a fair job.
9:22 PM
@sehe hint: there's no use
We're the only ones available to be here and talk to you about it at this time.
> a war sounds very good to me.
From what I'm seeing the rest of them (Madara, Jon, and Ed) are just defending bluefeet.
@BartekBanachewicz If needs be, yes.
9:23 PM
Oh come on, I take a peek into the room after 3 hours and we're right back to smurftown.
@набиячлэвэлиь I'm gonna ignore you for a while. If you truly think that, there should not be a problem keeping silent for a while
What's going on?
@Xeo This is the climax
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 29 minutes.
top kek
usual boring stuff
9:23 PM
@Xeo A semi-justified Moral panic
@набиячлэвэлиь I think 4 strikes is more than enough.
Sit this one out.
9:23 PM
@MadaraUchiha oh for fucks sake, you're the one having the kick/suspend button. What kind of "war" you're talking about?!. Kill the whole room if you dare or stop provoking us, again.
now I have a website that's worse than the old one with some Javascript dropdown menus
Oh yeah, you can ban @набиячлэвэлиь anytime
@Xeo I'm afraid no one actually knows. And some of the lounge young ones enjoy kindling the fire almost as much as the (new?) mods. I dunno. It looks like
He was just being an ass
@BartekBanachewicz War doesn't have to be a nuclear war, you know.
9:24 PM
30 minutes might not be enough though
@Jefery That's how cosh got 6 days, mind you.
what a boring day
@Feeds I understand - Maybe the dust settles and we can actually have a talk. Until then, thanks for all your contributions here /cc @JerryCoffin
why not warn/kick/ban/torture/send to the moon the actual offenders and not the nebulous notion of 'the room'
@MadaraUchiha See what's it bringing so far ^
9:25 PM
@Jefery I was talking about more than one person
@LucDanton They did.
Are you happy now?
@MadaraUchiha Cosh was aggressive for what happened earlier
oh good
cosh's chatbanned for 6 days?
9:25 PM
can you add a friend like in a friend list here? :P
What I really hate is how one person says something stupid and now it's the whole room who's the problem.
@Xeo mainbanneed.
@MadaraUchiha totally not an overreaction
God I'm tired of this as well.
9:26 PM
My feeling in this is that somebody didn't like us and was simply waiting for a pretext. But maybe I'm just tinfoiling.
@EtiennedeMartel Well, the fact that more than 5 people so far yelled profanities, some of which are room owners, doesn't really help your case here, now does it?
Let's all just hell ban the lounge for a day or some. Give the mods some rest.
And that's just since I've entered the room.
s/rest/time to actually think about what they're doing/
@sehe No, I need something to slack off at work.
9:27 PM
21 mins ago, by Madara Uchiha
We don't prevent you from saying what you want.
@Elyse For you there's [49].*
@EtiennedeMartel The originating problem was a message from Jerry on the lines of "Women usually want at least a date before having sex".
@EtiennedeMartel This room drew attention all on its own today.
@Rapptz You can say what you want.
Still not helping your case.
9:27 PM
Well maybe if there was more thinking involved here rather than following mechanical regex-like rules for matching Totally Always Bad Derogatory Super Bad Phrases
Then Cosh told a mod to "fuck off" and got suspended.
@BartekBanachewicz No clue what you're implying
I don't see C++
At least machines have an excuse for being programmed by people
@sehe nothing at all
9:27 PM
@BartekBanachewicz ..?
Then he was contacted in private and was aggressive there too and got suspended for 6 days.
Seems more than fair
Can't imagine pirate being surprised
To me too
I'm not gonna say it aloud but the ones that know me know well enough what I might be implying.
To be completely honest, this entire situation is one I don't really care about.
9:28 PM
The original message was in no way bad though.
@BartekBanachewicz No, please say it.
A: Are expletives allowed in SE chat?

Shog9These questions always puzzle me a bit; they never come up because someone's conflicted about how they should communicate - they're always attached in some fashion to the notion that there should be limits on how other people should be interpreting what you've written: I'm simply talking abou...

@MadaraUchiha I said that to you before you were a mod :)
@BartekBanachewicz Great. Thanks for your positive contributions
> You do not get to tell anyone else what offends them, not here, not on the main sites, and not in chat. Ever.
9:28 PM
@MadaraUchiha Great. Thanks for your positive contributions
@BartekBanachewicz lol
I'm very offended by all of this
Please ban yourselves
Why are the mods luring out a fight as if their boxing hustlers
If mods are barketing you know the hell's freezing
9:29 PM
I blame the mod room
Sunk cost fallacy.
I'm mostly offended by the fact that I can't insult myself
In too deep at this point I guess.
@LucDanton That makes more sense than it appears at face value
It's tragic new world I don't want to live in
9:29 PM
@MadaraUchiha Oh, come on. Nothing we would say would help "our case". In your opinion, we're already guilty and there's nothing that's gonna change that.
@CatPlusPlus You're a cat, zero fucks given by default.
So please ban yourselves or I'll become even more depressed
Maybe provoking this room is part of an inauguration for new mods to see how they do under pressure?
I'm happy that we have a bit of a breather here.
@EtiennedeMartel Well, being constructive about it without all the trolling on the side might just earn you a few points.
9:30 PM
@Rapptz eh
Are they passing?
@sehe I wish to one day possess Luc's wisdom to be able to get into a room like that and just blast out 5 words that make more sense than last half an hour of discussion
or surpassing
This happened last election too.
Or was it 2 elections ago.
So far we've established that Jerry made a gendered joke that - out of context - was picked up and cracked down upon. Strange, weird, but no biggie (nothing to barge in for and make threats /cc @Jon @Mysticial).
After that some loungers became (understandably?) agitated. Thecosh had a bad day and decided to act out. He got what he deserved.
9:31 PM
someone whine on Meta Stack Overflow to get this over with
Anything I missed?
@Rapptz whistles
@Elyse Nope. Whining is precisely what's not needed
@Elyse meh we've been there already
9:32 PM
@sehe the thing that he considered not to be a joke?
nothing to see
@sehe Sounds solid to me.
@LucDanton Yes
Can you plonk mods?
9:32 PM
@sehe Room being frozen for like 2 minutes
Oh nice, it works.
@sehe Indeed. If cosh did attack the mods back, he deserved that ban.
Transparency 102: never admit to a mistake
@MadaraUchiha I know you're intending well, but please be very careful when exercising moderation power. The chilling effects can far outweigh the moderation benefit.
@EtiennedeMartel but then it turned out on everyone around
9:33 PM
@sehe Getting banned from SO proper is getting what he deserved?
My main problem is the whole scorched earth policy of taking any little bit of shit in the Lounge as a sign that the place as a whole needs to be purged.
certainly could be.
He wasn't just chat banned, he was banned on SO as a whole.
@Mgetz *outweigh
depends on what he said to the mod in private
9:33 PM
@Rapptz I think so
It's not like cosh is very active on SO anyway, is it?
The Lounge is full of sorcerer's apprentices - they keep winding up the new broom:(
@Rapptz And this is why you have sockpuppet accounts.
34 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Hello transparency http://pastebin.com/Xa1yq6CU
@Jefery Irrelevant
9:33 PM
@Puppy The conversation is out in the open, you can read it
@Xeo I clearly am braindead from working in swift all day
@EtiennedeMartel It's marginally more sensible than if you've said that on 4chan
@Jefery Doesn't matter.
@sehe I know, I'm just saying that the difference in this case is slim.
You have matched /badword/ you are now banned forever bye
9:34 PM
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't ever remember a positive interaction from Madara in this room. So I feel like some of this is personal in some way.
@Jefery Ah
@EtiennedeMartel Wasn't the last time he visited us when Jon introduced him?
@CatPlusPlus Yeah that's... not really how it works.
maybe I should dive into the JS room transcript actually
I think I know what to look for
@MadaraUchiha Thanks! It really helps to start with some facts. Or parts of them.
Well then. Can we agree to let this rest for a bit, and schedule a more ... balanced talk some time later? We can have the opportunity to read up and sense the general opinions before that
9:35 PM
Why are messages being deleted? Can't someone understand that others' arguments are important for the well-being of this room?
No? Then how is "I am a badword" worthy of deletion?
@sehe Sure things, thanks.
How is the word so bad that mod cannot bring himself to say it while discussing why he does things
@MadaraUchiha Don't mind what Cat says. He just wants to provoke you for moving on his "let's move to IRC" agenda.
@EtiennedeMartel You can have the feeling and it's understandable, but it's not very rational
@MadaraUchiha :D
9:35 PM
@CatPlusPlus "I am a badword" is not worthy of deletion
Yet it was deleted
Being an obvious troll is.
My message said that and it was deleted.
Which you absolutely were
9:36 PM
I wasn't even joking. I love sex.
the more I try to follow, the more stupid it all is
And more importantly, how does a person with a modicum of sense and logical reasoning ability can support any of this bullshit
@CatPlusPlus I deleted that one, not @MadaraUchiha. That comment served no purpose other than to keep alive the topic that started all of this.
Of course it did
@MartinJames Apt analogy
9:36 PM
Because it's a topic that should be kept alive
@LucDanton Well yeah.
Transparency 103: just sweep everything under the rug
You can't really expect an argument on the internet to not be stupid.
@Rapptz back to teh vidya! hey you should play gw2
On either side.
9:37 PM
That's not true
@CatPlusPlus PSA:
A: Are expletives allowed in SE chat?


Transparency 104: don't let anyone say you're wrong
what's wrong with "I love sex", I mean she didn't say "I love having sex" .. totally two different things
Btw if we can't swear anymore we should probably move to some other chat system
@Andrey Perhaps you don't want to stir things up too much, because things are fragile as it is. Hello, by the way
9:38 PM
@EdCottrell I think "it hurts my feelings and therefore I can flag it and feel validated" is pretty stupid.
Q: Overloading operators (pointers)

F-AlaaeldinIs there an overloading operator for a pointer ? if there is can anyone mention how to write it ? I am new at this so any help would be appreciated thanks in advance.

lol dat question
If you can't see how this
4 hours ago, by Jon Clements
@sehe yes... because I'm going to repost it in it's entirety when it warranted deletion to start with :p
Is an extra super stupid thing to say
in JavaScript , Aug 3 at 19:31, by Madara Uchiha
Both of your heads are up your asses too much to listen to what you're being told.
I'm out of beer
And how it directly contradicts what you're trying to sell here
@LucDanton Do you have some other information that makes you think it was out of line or worse? /cc @CatPlusPlus
9:39 PM
Then I have nothing to say to you other than "you are a bad mod, congrats"
Could be replaced with regexes
Cheaper and more effective!
@BartekBanachewicz That was a fun convo
@CatPlusPlus Jerry later clarified.
Cosh was indeed being quite an ass there.
@Rapptz Whether it's stupid or not is not the point. The point is that some things are offensive to people, and offending people is not the point of this site. As a room owner, perhaps you could be helping out a bit to keep the room within the site's rules.
@sehe I only skimmed what is/was going on and I don’t really want to investigate further
9:40 PM
@sehe Yes but that's not the point, it's
So today I had super spicy crisps.
4 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
My mouth was literally on fire.
So I drank apple juice to kill the pain.
Lounge drama in progress, I see.
You literally cannot say it, it's that baaaad
9:40 PM
I drank too much apple juice, inducing a stomach ache.
@ElimGarak Smurf parade.
No matter context
It was a refreshing painful experience.
@ElimGarak you wouldn't know man
No matter if you're fucking quoting
9:40 PM
@MadaraUchiha I don't understand that. I think it's weird that you seem to simultaneously deplore bad ethos [in the lounge] and enjoy throwing dirt. But maybe you were joking
@ElimGarak one day the SO devs are going to put a hidden script that the mods can trigger that shows a llama
Brave New World
@LucDanton Fair enough
So hyped for the destruction of humanity
9:41 PM
painful experience .. like when drinking cold water after enjoying a mint candy
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, I guess that's a fair hangup. But I consider it your hangup :)
@CatPlusPlus Shut the fuck up already
@EdCottrell Have you actually bothered to read what you're linking? I just read through it start to finish to refresh my memory. To me it looks a great deal as if you and at least two other mods here are the ones doing what he said wasn't allowed.
It's one of hangups
@KhaledAKhunaifer that's not painful, that is refreshing.
9:41 PM
inb4 ban
@shog9: do you suppose we could get at least some attempt at guidelines solid enough that if people people read and understand them, they'll have a decent chance of knowing whether a post will be considered objectionable or not? Right now, that doesn't seem to be the case at all.
@sehe The conversation in question was getting out of hand, and I had stopped it by kicking both users (worth noting, I just "only" a RO on JavaScript at the time).
Stack Exchange needs nuclear annihilation.
@CatPlusPlus That indeed seems to be the main culprit (or should we say method-of-opportunity, I'll have to decide later)
And again, it's really not the swearing that bothers me.
9:42 PM
@EdCottrell PSA: bad modding triggers me and I'm offended
@Elyse or like when drinking a hot cup of tea after eating a spicy food
So what now
@Elyse I wonder how SO going down would impact the developer productivity
@KhaledAKhunaifer No idea about that. I hate tea.
@EdCottrell If I didn't allow things that were offensive to people in this chat then nothing could be said in this room. People can get offended by whatever they want whether it's valid or not and having a blanket statement that forbids those messages essentially means that no one can say anything. It's easy to say "This offends me" but that statement has little to no value and shouldn't solely be used for why things are removed from chat.
9:42 PM
@EdCottrell How do I act on this? I already write in a manner not to deliberately upset people, but one can get offended about anything. Is the only conclusion that I should not write anything at all?
Let the double standards begin
@CatPlusPlus Beer, I guess....
@Prismatic less cargo-culting means more maintainable code and hence higher productivity.
@Elyse that works with any hot beverage
i'm putting together a work email that basically says 'we fixed the problem by rebooting the server'. but i'm looking for a much more obfuscated way of saying it.... any ideas?
9:43 PM
I hate any hot beverage.
Jul 31 '14 at 10:35, by Second Rikudo
PSA: Dear flaggers, not anything that contains any, but not limited to, the following words is offensive. Nigga, Fuck, Bitch, Ass, Shit, Crap, Wank, Ass-cactus, Moron, Idiot, Asshat.
Drinks must be drank cool.
I still abide that ^
lol ass-cactus
@JerryCoffin I linked to that to make the point that the chat isn't a free-for-all. See the part of the answer about consequences.
9:43 PM
@MadaraUchiha Idiot? Shit? Ass? Crap? Wank? How are those offensive?
Cat it looks like you care about this, I'm wrong right?
Why the poor cactus in particular?
This is arbitrary.
Why not ass-anythingelse
9:43 PM
wait a minute
@RobertPenridge "We magicked the server."
@JohanLarsson I'm only half-joking about being offended
It's what happens when you shove a cactus up your arse. You start swearing and get banned.
But there's a very very big difference between swearing between friends, and saying, and I quote "breaking news, you can't dare consider women are more than just fuck bags"
Because I kinda am because I like thecoshman and he got banned for fucking nothing
9:44 PM
@Elyse wait okay hat got its treatment as well, w/o the colon though
lol, that could work, but i think my boss may catch on to that one
And no, context is absolutely irrelevant here.
@MadaraUchiha absolutely
NO it's fucking not
@MadaraUchiha Fair enough. It does jar though, since you still refer to it as a "fun conversation". You're a mod now.
9:44 PM
@EdCottrell I read it carefully. It says you and a couple other mods should be suspended from SO in its entirety by now.
Because it was direct response to being banned for saying the opposite
@Rapptz No one said you can't have a conversation. But having a conversation doesn't generally require degrading anyone.
@RobertPenridge if it's a windows server, it's always "had to reload environment variables into services.exe"
@sehe Yeah, that was a joke, I really didn't enjoy that :P
Nor the drama that obviously followed.
9:44 PM
@sam thanks...
@LucDanton Who said anything about that?
@MadaraUchiha I think you should ban yourself for saying "ass-cactus". I mean I know you were listing forbidden things, but context is absolutely irrelevant here.
@EdCottrell Your assumption that offensiveness is correlated to "degrading" is incorrect.
cosh corrects me, even that is saying the opposite
@BartekBanachewicz I should, but a mod can't ban themselves :(
9:45 PM
Been a while since this room was so active
I like thecoshman, he's like a funny drunk pirate
@sam and of course it's a windows server =P
@EdCottrell You, paraphrasing Shog I take it.
@orlp Sorry for earlier today. I was a bit angry at myself and felt dumb; I didn't keep my cool -_____-
9:45 PM
English is hard
@Rapptz Your assumption that the offensive comments in question weren't degrading is incorrect.
Hard is English
Don't you dare consider people to be more than useless bags of meat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meh, I go fetch a beer and the mods are multiplying:(
@MadaraUchiha That was the offending sentence that got cosh banned?
9:46 PM
See what I did there it's the same thing cosh said
@EdCottrell My comment has nothing to do with the current situation.
@Xeo It was... one of them.
in JavaScript , 15 secs ago, by Trasiva
@BartekBanachewicz It's my new favorite, it now replaces twat waffle.
I'm near rotfling
@BartekBanachewicz woah waoh woah you hang out in the JavaScript room now?
You linked to something to denote how chat shouldn't be run as a "free-for-all".
9:46 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Eww, don't enter the same room as Kendall.
Please refrain from joking when you're trying to defuse a situation (?! hopefully) or at the very least trying to make your intentions known (hopefully).
Otherwise, it could be perceived as bullying. And people tend to react badly. That's provocation
@Prismatic Since forever
@KhaledAKhunaifer I think you mean cout << "english is hard." << endl; :)
@Prismatic I've been hanging out there for the past two years
@MadaraUchiha Okay, lemme rephrase that - "that was an offending (to quote you guys 'degrading') sentence?"
9:46 PM
@JerryCoffin And I didn't.
@Xeo Oh yeah.
@CatPlusPlus Because apparently 1 minute wasn't enough
Enjoy 30
MADARA ! come back to JavaScript room * tries to fish you up *
@Nathan that would be.. std::cout << English::is_hard << std::endl ;
9:47 PM
@EdCottrell What do you think "the offensive comments in question" means?
@MadaraUchiha Really
4 hours ago, by thecoshman
@JonClements fuck off did it
Real mature now.
Curiosity killed the cat.
@CatPlusPlus Ah I didn't know. I think it requires at least one 1 to complement the !s. Say, like a CRC
9:48 PM
<@CatPlusPlus> Someone tell them they're a fucking moron
<@CatPlusPlus> And please quote me
Or was it something else?
@Xeo Learn who's next in our Whack-A-Lounger, just after commercials!
@Elyse Noted.
@KhaledAKhunaifer .....well i use the using namespace std; :P
@thecoshman where are you ? :'(
9:48 PM
@BartekBanachewicz lol
@JerryCoffin cosh's comments about women were the first real problem (that I saw, anyway).
@MadaraUchiha Wait. How do you know that was not really a joke?
@KhaledAKhunaifer i never understood why programmers just use std:: lines.
What did Cat say?
@Nathan you shouldn't say that in a chat room full of C++ professionals
9:49 PM
@sehe He was trolling me the entire conversation, I merely had enough pretending I can't see him.
<@sehe> I'm secretly in love with Jefery
<@sehe> but please don't tell anyone
@Jefery What the "offending and degrading" sentence was actually meant to say.
Jesus Christ
@EdCottrell ...and so you told us all that we were offended by them. Thank you very little.
You guys never made me change sides so often
You are all bad
9:50 PM
@MadaraUchiha If it’s that personal, maybe a cool-headed third-party should intervene rather than getting your hands dirty.
@Nathan It's a bad practice, basically
@MadaraUchiha You mean Bartek? I agree he seems not to be looking for constructivism. Then again, it seems he has reason to believe the effort is futile
@KhaledAKhunaifer im not a professional c++ programmer... not yet. :)
irc so broken
9:50 PM
@sehe Cat, actually, I think.
@LucDanton It's not personal at all.
@JerryCoffin I didn't say you were offended by them. You don't seem to care. Other people, however, did, which is why this room is getting so much attention today.
@sehe CatPlusPlus
@Xeo Ok
The way things are handled here is so bad that I feel sympathy for cat
9:50 PM
@MadaraUchiha I was referring to the 'he was trolling me' part
@Xeo Ok /cc @MadaraUchiha
@KhaledAKhunaifer care to explain why that is bad practice?
<@Jefery> I talked about operator+ just to mess with Bartek
<@Jefery> .+. is perfectly fine for matrices
<@CatPlusPlus> And it's good job stopping people from being able to respond to you
<@CatPlusPlus> That makes you win
9:51 PM
@LucDanton I was stating a fact (read the transcript), I rather speak constructively without the noise.
Quick question, did cosh's sentence have "SARCASM" written over it in big letters for anyone else?
I came for the fun
@BartekBanachewicz wat
@MadaraUchiha My suggestion stands (it’s only a suggestion).
What do I need to read the transcript for?
I'm bored.
9:52 PM
I don't think anybody cares :)
Hi bored, I'm Nick
I hate you
@Rapptz play gaems
@Nick You only get to do those as a dad.
You are the worst
9:52 PM
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@LucDanton you should go back to playing video games
This is the worst.
@KhaledAKhunaifer hmm very well. I learned something new today. :) thanks! now I will have to try that out in my operator overloading assignment.
@Rapptz I’m in lobby
I prefer liverworst
9:53 PM
@Elyse This is clearly Patrick
come back during prime time bby
@Nathan also for long namespace names, you can just do this.. namespace xyz = a_very_long_namespace_name;
@rlemon I hate you
JS room invasion
9:53 PM
in JavaScript , 2 mins ago, by Nick
@BartekBanachewicz I knew chat would be stupid if he got mod...
All these new faces!
I felt like it belongs in here
Javascript is the new C++
@Elyse hey bb
And they seem just as vulgar as we are!
9:53 PM
@Elyse I think I've seen worse in some Cracked article.
@EtiennedeMartel All these new faeces!
I for one welcome our new JS overlords
@Rapptz but come back to what
teach me your ways JS-friends
I wish to install NodeOS
@Prismatic eval all the things!
9:53 PM
@KhaledAKhunaifer hmm again, quite interesting
@Nathan Most days, if you have a worthy topic :) Sorry about the mess
@LucDanton Type seduction classes.
@Morwenn What is Cracked? A magazine about crack cocaine?
@Prismatic npm install nodeos
JS room: How do you manage to stay both offensive and out of the mods' reach?
9:54 PM
@Jefery Best thing is: I don't give a flying phallus
Ah yes, NodeOS; the most well thought out piece of software to grace us since the creation of Unix
so many blue people in the room; whatup?
Ban me all you want
@EtiennedeMartel we don't - Ed was visiting us last week because of a single troll.
9:54 PM
@EtiennedeMartel JS is politically correct, unlike C++.
@Rapptz will be b& m8
@EtiennedeMartel We get our fair share of the hammer.
@Jefery oh man I knew you really mean that <3
@Elyse Cracked.com, a suposedly homoristic website, but with actually interesting articles.
9:54 PM
@sehe its all good.. :)
@Morwenn Ah, like /r/ImGoingToHellForThis
This room is too active; stop talking and laugh at my jokes, peasants.
@BartekBanachewicz yeah no, where have you got that?
@EtiennedeMartel It's all in the wrist
@Elyse Not really.
9:54 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Madara was a JS room regular.
@BartekBanachewicz is*
@Jefery But you wrote it bby.
@Morwenn is it like geenstijl.nl?
@BartekBanachewicz Where?
@BartekBanachewicz is*
9:55 PM
or like /b/?
We all know Duchess holds the real JS Room power
@EtiennedeMartel i.imgur.com/76Wtthy.jpg (anti wall)
@sehe hey is there actually a way to.. add users as friends here on SO?
@MadaraUchiha as much as we'd prefer otherwise... ;)
@Zirak there goes my expected cross-room solidarity.
9:55 PM
I cat leaves because of this it is a sad day.
@LucDanton pls no
@Elyse Can't tell. Have a look if you want to make an opinion.
can someone give me a summary of this nonsense :D?
Madara might be a Mod on SO, but I'm an Admin on my life
@LucDanton I've already asked @shog9 to intervene in a way that I think would be constructive, but (at least so far) received no response. At this point, I think the moderators are collectively offended (so to speak) so none of them can make an honest claim to acting in a calm, detached, or disinterested fashion. Yes, they may claim otherwise, but if they do, they're wrong.
9:55 PM
@Morwenn Meh, list sites.
@BartekBanachewicz what for. What for? Seeing how indignant we can get? I certainly hope we're not falling for that
@Nick Nah.
I never thought I'd see such a Lounge/JS party happen, but here we are
@ScarletAmaranth Nope.
9:56 PM
Should... should we do things..?
@Nathan Mmm. Nope. You can try to ignore all the rest :)
@sehe yeah I should stop.
Let's all get drunk now
@SterlingArcher it is our love of {}
Today I struggling with my keyboard and hitting head on screens.. I have linked a C++ library. I need to use a static function as qClass::axisEqual(...) and when I compile I have this error "No reference to setStrategy(SafePtr<qClass>)" and candidates are setStrategy(SafePtr<qClass>&). I don't know how to pass a function as a reference using safe pointer.. Someone can help me?
9:56 PM
We could publish an article 10 Ways To Troll Stack Exchange Mods.
@SterlingArcher You like money? I like money... We should like... hang out...
@Elyse Except this one is actually cool from time to time. It's like the surprising exception to the rue.
17 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
I'm out of beer
I have an almost full fifth of vodka
@BartekBanachewicz bro, I got stockpiles of booze.
9:56 PM
@sfiore std::function and Stack Overflow
Come to Canada!
@MadaraUchiha Allow me to rephrase: if a moderator feels personally targeted, then I think it would be more seemly if a third-party intervened rather than that moderator themselves. Moderation is more effective when it appears to be fair rather than tit-for-tat.
9:57 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь It's leftover from thanksgiving, m8
@rlemon would if I could. I have 0.33 days of vacation days left this year.
<CatPlusPlus> The nerve to call me trolling when I'm the one actually getting angry at this concentrated idiocy @Mods
Can we close both the JS and lounge rooms and create a new unified room? :D
alright game started
@LucDanton Let me rephrase, he was trolling the conversation as a whole, not just me.
9:57 PM
@Nick You're clearly not a Slav, are you?
> Lounge JSC++
@AwalGarg What? No that's sick
@BartekBanachewicz my gf and I work at the same place. I started before her and she gets annoyed that I get an extra week vacation
@AwalGarg that would be p cool
We had a couple users here trying to make a constructive conversation, and he was determined to undermine that with his witty remarks.
9:57 PM
do it plz
@AwalGarg we can call it "offtopic only"
@LucDanton what you're saying is right, a judge may not judge himself
Are you one of those transpiler people? We don't take kindly to you rkind around here
@SterlingArcher I'd prefer cpp.js
@rlemon I dunno I only really take vacation when my GF has it as well.
9:58 PM
cross compiling different languages into each other
its not natural!
@MadaraUchiha that’s not a rephasing
@Nick they have that
@MadaraUchiha That's basically every conversation ever in the Lounge IINM.
I think someone here thinks that StackOverflow is like Facebook
what did they do to cosh?! whom do I slap
9:58 PM
He wasn't genuinely trying to understand or rebut me, he was just trying to incite.
@BartekBanachewicz yea, we did as well. but now I'm sitting on a weeks pay with nothing to do
@AwalGarg That's pretty... poetic
@SterlingArcher lost
9:58 PM
@rlemon can you get it out in cash?
ugh why did my message get deleted
@SterlingArcher BANANAS
@BartekBanachewicz yes
what did I do wrong this time
@Prismatic I hate transpiling, JS, and C++. Everything sucks.
9:59 PM
rabble rabble rabble rabble
@rlemon :D
@Elyse You know what you did
1 message moved to bin
9:59 PM
Come on. Rules didn't change
It's since forever that GIFs are banned
@AwalGarg truth
Stop binning things, you monster
@Jefery not all GIFs are banned.
I trusted you!
9:59 PM
I see you are afraid of fun
@sehe Yeah, no Canadian dollars here!
@Prismatic I have heard the real world hates truth too.
@Nick You can call me friendly polar bear
so it's not okay to post a GIF
Those are evil.
9:59 PM
@Nick Read the rules.
And they don't even smell like maple syrup.
That's a myth.
@Elyse The one you posted is
but it's okay to post all the frames of a GIF ?
@JerryCoffin no u
