Propaganda works – 58 percent of Republicans believe education is bad

By Rmuse | 6 June 2018
Daily Kos






Another legendary world leader, Sir Winston Churchill said:





















Most Republicans View Higher Education As Bad For America


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    • "Educate and inform the whole mass of the people, enable them to see that it is their interest to preserve peace and order, and they will preserve it, and it requires no very high degree of education to convince them of this. They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."

      From Jefferson's letter to Uriah Forrest, with Enclosure, 31 December 1787; from the National Archives… retrieved Nov. 4, 2018

  1. Stay stupid. It makes it easier for the rest of us to become top 1%ers. But don't expect us to help your sorry butts. God helps those who help themselves.

    • There is no god you heartless troll from a child’s novel. Quit using your fake religion as an excuse for being a self-centered poor excuse of a human. Money is made up, debt is a lie, capitalism requires slavery by another name to resemble success and your ilk are dying out. so enjoy your death throes dinosaur, thrash about, rage, beat your chest. No one will notice when your gone, and 100 years from now you will be nothing more than a case study in what humans used to be, and why it didnt work.

    • If you think that "God helps those who help themselves" is a quote from the Bible or even a correct description of a Christian belief, you are wrong.

      Actually, it originated from Algernon Sydney in 1698 in an article titled Discourses Concerning Government and in many places, the Bible teaches just the opposite. God helps the helpless! Isaiah 25:4 declares, "For You have been a defense for the helpless, a defense for the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shade from the heat…"



  3. Recognizing that a college education has become, for most students, four years of BS classes and political indoctrination, followed by a lifetime of debt, DOES NOT equal being opposed to education. The past 30 years of my working life were spent working for Louisiana State University, then the University of Maryland, and finally, the University of Texas at San Antonio. I saw classes become more meaningless as the students became less interested. So many had no idea why they were there, and were doing as little as possible to get through the four-plus years it would take them to graduate. They had been told for years that they would go to college and get a great job, but most wind up in jobs unrelated to their fields of study, and their debt weighs heavily on them for decades.

    Real education is a great thing, and an educated citizenry benefits not only individuals, but the nation as a whole. But college has become mostly BS, (and I don’t mean Bachelor of Science,) and I believe that most students would be better off either going to college when they have been in the world for a few years, or learning a trade. Those who are questioning the value of college for all are not anti-education. They recognize that higher education is not what it was, that the world is changing, and that we need to rethink how our children are educated and directed into life.

    • Exactly what were you doing for those 30 years? Were you an educator or the groundskeeper? Despite your lifetime of spectating from behind the bushes, statistics regarding the benefits of a college education dispute your anecdotal information.

    • EXACTLY!!
      The lie about education is that it’s actually EDUCATING.
      They use this b.s. to undermine what we are trying to get out. They use the propaganda like this, to put us in the same pit as the crazy Christian right when we question the establishment. They want to keep others from hearing our voices, from hearing EXACTLY what you said. By labeling people who think critically and question the narrative.

      Keep preaching!! Keep telling the truth. We are being heard!! Weather they like it or not!!

      • Wow, I see that your education stopped before you got to spelling and sentence structure.

        Yeah, we’ll compete with the Korean and Japanese math and computer scientists by denouncing higher education.

        Well, trump and Devos want god in schools, and screw higher education.

        Get some learnin under your belt, then come back here.

      • “Weather they like it or not.”

        Is English your second language or were you just not present in first grade spelling class?

        Here’s a mini lesson for you. Weather is like “sunny, cloudy, 78 degrees, rainy, and so forth.” I think the word you’re looking for is “whether.” Good luck out there.

    • Sounds like you had no business working for those schools since you did not believe in their mission and you looked down on their students. But I bet you’re enjoying your public-funded pension.

  4. Conservatives and Evangelicals despise education because it has never been able to penetrate the high walls of dogma and propaganda they live behind. You hate what you fear and fear is their lifeblood.

    • You show your absolute lack of understanding. We love good, solid education and many of us have our MBAs, doctorates, etc. What we don’t like is the indoctrination going on right now and lack of Civics being taught so that the youth understand the beauty of our Constitution. In my profession, I am seeing young people come out of college more stupid than high school graduates used to be. They have no ability to think beyond what they are told – absolutely no common sense or ability to think outside the box; and, no, this is not just my opinion – we have discussed this consistently over the last few years – these students have no motivation, no curiosity to create or solve issues. It is so sad.

      • Sherri, I'm guessing that you aren't part of the group of republicans or the religious that the author is writing about. And yes, we can judge the overall effectiveness of schools, but I believe most teachers/professors do want to teach their students how to think, how to figure things out for themselves, and take those tools with them when they leave.

        • Joel
          You are referring to critical thinking and no, that is not longer taught.

          Those of you that actually side with this article really should NOT comment: It reveals your ignorance and causes you to appear a simpleton.

    • That is exactly the case!
      I’ve witnessed, first hand, those things and was chastised if I strayed outside of those I do trinated lines.
      My eldest son: the same thing.
      As with most, you learn to play the game.

  5. "…And yeah I really do think." (Alanis Morissette 1995)

    While they are literally preaching (teaching) this to their congregation (students) in the sanctuary (lecture hall) they are telling them that education is bad for them. Then, if you asked someone who thinks this way, where they heard this, the answer is basically, “I LEARNED it at church.” They are teaching them what to think while saying that colleges teach their students what to think. The reality for most of us is that public, secular schools, and surely even the vast majority of private colleges, are in fact teaching students HOW to think. New versions of text books come out all the time, yet their texts are mostly all over a thousand years old. And what that then means is that if these bad colleges were only teaching their students what to think, not how to, there wouldn't be any advances in any field, meaning they'd never need a new textbook. So…

    I’m guessing they don’t want them to learn the meaning of the word “irony.”

  6. Defining characteristic of Fascism: disdain for intellectualism and the arts. Fascist regimes will either suppress education, especially higher education, or "hijack" it and make education into Fascist PoliCon (politically Conservative) indoctrination factories. It should be no surprise that so many GOPers feel the way they do about education.

  7. All parties include millions of highly-educated voters, and many representatives have jurisprudence degrees.
    (Jurisprudence having its own controversy.)

    Studies show a flip-flop in educated partisan voters — so maybe that is what stands out.

    There is a vast difference between “Formal education” and learning. If an education system is under scrutiny, the intent is usually to preserve and enhance learning. As others pointed out, critical thinking is important in working toward truth and accuracy.

    “Colleges do not teach.” I teach in a college, and research and develop new courses every year. Information changes quickly. I know a professor who developed 5 new programming courses per year. We are not allowed to make biased statements– political, religious, or gender-related, without investigation for harassment. We do not have time to get on biased rants.

    The US is over 21 trillion in debt, and college graduates are in debt $1.5 trillion with student loans. Since students owe money to federally-funded programs, the federal government factors those numbers into their debts and assets.

    During Obama’s administration, our president threatened educational institutions with withdrawing federal funding, if certain standards were not met. Most of these standards were not developed by scholars of education, but by government officials. Content within curriculum standards was not necessarily proven true; and additional tests took up time that was previously used for learning.

    For teachers, it meant some needed a higher degree or more training– taking time away from preparing lessons, while pumping money into systems.

    There is a severe problem in FORMAL education when scholars are not free to develop their own curriculum, based on research. Education suffers when first graders are stressed with tests their first weeks of school, and fourth graders spend the year studying for standardized tests.

    There is a serious problem in society, when masses can be lumped into groups of multi-millions, and labeled as having the same thoughts.

    We should not behave as sports fans randomly defending teams. Take the time to find out what is really behind all this hullabaloo.

  8. I don't think education is bad, but I would consider answering "negative" to this survey question because of the student debt crisis.

  9. I’m not seeing anywhere that says “education is bad”. I DO, however, read universities and educational institutions have a negative impact on society. I surely agree there are sharp partisan divisions in views aboard learning institutions are negatively impacting society.

    Read the article folks.

  10. Debt is how people become incentivized to oppose and even ridicule free thinkers. Children en masse have been socialized from the first day of school to understand that learning is essentially relative to a token based economy. Although It might seem as though We are not in the business of academic tracking of students, We are! It all boils down to I. T. Instead of pledging allegiance to one Facebook under Yahweh with liberty and justice and free memberships for life, twenty years ago, schools should have been introducing coding skills in Kindergarten. By now, every American student with a high school diploma should be rather more proficiently communicating with one another electronically the same way that world class hackers chit chat with one another. Why this didn't happen should be fairly obvious. Moreover, there is nothing new under the Sun, so to speak. Information hoarding in practice has been happening for so long as monotheism has been a belief system upon this earth. Knowledge is power. The rise of social media marketing is nothing more than a barrier wall attempting to surround a new, smaller, more powerfully connected population of middle managers who provide data to the super rich about basic health, education, and populist consumer trends and double as the standardized measure for a global unit of currency which the poor are either forced to adopt in order just to survive or be faced with the prospect of socializing themselves among a population which is for all practical purposes a stateless population of vagabond surfs in support of an iron fisted economic system which is a hybrid combination of facism / feudalism and supremacist sort of near earth higher order terrestrial superhumanism that is designed only to preserve existing impediments to improving individual socio economic status.

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