Those who want the unvaccinated to be vaccinated why do you want us to?
DaveG_ 1008 points1009 points 20 hours agox3

I'm vaxxed, and could give a fuck less if you wanna or not. I'm a firm believer in not telling anyone what to do with their bodies period. Want an abortion? Go for it. Want to eat $30 worth of McDonald's a day? I hope you enjoy it. Wanna do fuckall and just enjoy life? I really hope you do. I really wish more people embraced the mentality of "I don't bother you, you don't bother me" and just let people life their lives. Shits too short to get bent out of shape about someone elses life choices that don't affect you.

Federal_North_3101 459 points460 points 23 hours ago

It's not the vaxxed, it's the media.

Change my mind: When Nicki Minaj goes to the White House she will be Ultra MK'ed into saying vaccines save lives.
nno_namee 26 points27 points 10 hours ago

She's already heavily MK'ed. The whole thing is a plot to discredit people opposing vaccinations. They invite her instead of all the doctors, scientists and phds speaking against the vaccination. The goal of this fake staged rebellion against the system is to deceive people to make them think ''I would rather listen to doctors than a pop star for my health, so I will take the vaccine''.

Also here are some interesting facts about Nicki Minaj:

And this is just scratching the surface...

Losing my job (IA)
bob404notfound 6 points7 points 9 hours ago

Take in your contract & ask them to point to the section where you agreed to give them the right to force a medical procedure upon you. Especially one that is still experimental & human trials don't finish til 2023. Also take a copy of your countries discrimination act, most say you can not be discriminated against for medical reasons.

I would also take in a copy of the govt mandate, from one I saw the company is liable for any injuries sustained not the govt, are they aware of this.

If you have a friend that's a lawyer that can be with you during this conversation they might think twice before firing you because what they are doing told is against the law.

It finally happened to me
Suckafartfrommybum 153 points154 points 14 hours ago

The first rule about vaccines is that we don’t talk about whether or not we’ve been vaccinated with ANYONE. Your healthcare is nobody’s business. Repeat. Nobody’s business.

Well folks, it’s been real.
SmarterHome 522 points523 points 1 day ago

This is wrong information. In Most states you can be fired for no reason at all as long as it does not violate certain well-defined classes. Vaccinations are not a protected class.

It finally happened to me
TheBookOfSeil 3 points4 points 13 hours ago

Whats the difference though?

One is actually a vaccine and the other is an intravenous injection.

It doesn't integrate into your genome and it doesn't make it not a vaccine just because its different.

Last I checked, the definition of "vaccine" wasn't so broad that it only consisted of injecting something into the body with a needle.

A vaccine is just something that primes your immune system for a specific response against a pathogen and this does that.

I don't know what exactly this does, but contracting the virus itself is no different, and since COVID isn't a deadly virus that affects a large percentage of the population, I'd say that makes this vaccine rather unnecessary for a large percentage of the population as well.

Kind-Bed3015 28 points29 points 19 hours ago

Hello, Liberal vaxxed person with fully-vaxxed family and friends here. I think this is a fair question and I'll reply honestly, hope you read it and think about it, but I do respect that your mind is your own.

1) There are some people who *actually* will never be vaccinated. This includes people with weak immune responses (so the vaccine doesn't trigger any response at all, because the immune system sucks) or very overly-strong immune responses (so that the vaccine itself is too dangerous), people who are allergic to some component of the vaccines, and some others. They are a small percentage of our society, but they exist for every disease: there are thousands of people who never got a Poilo or MMR vaccine, for legitimate medical reasons. Now, if Covid is everywhere, these people are fucked -- and they're already in the riskier category as a result of their medical issues, even if they're young. The ONLY way to stop these people from getting sick is to reach "Herd Immunity." We could do this by infecting everyone in America with Covid -- that's 300,000,000 infections, with a 1% death rate of about 3,000,000 people, a plan that seems pretty shitty. Instead, if *everyone* who CAN get vaccinated gets vaccinated, then we can open up safely for even the weakest among us. If you're not someone with a medical reason not to get vaccinated, we believe that you're prolonging this pandemic, possibly forever, so that people who are medically vulnerable may not be safe going out in public for a long, long time.

2) It's said by most in the medical profession that we are creating more variants by the disease being spread constantly. I personally find this less than totally convincing, but I'm an English major, and I'm not going to substitute my judgment for people who are actually scientists who do this for a living. So like, imagine if, when the vaccines first came out at the beginning of 2021, EVERYONE in the world (who could) got vaccinated. This would have meant a total shutdown of "Community Spread," where it just is "out there everywhere" -- it would have meant, therefore, an end to the pandemic. Individual clusters of cases would have cropped up, but it would have been easy to quarantine a small group of people for 2 weeks and nip it in the bud. Because the virus just wouldn't have had enough hosts near enough to each other to spread. Again, this is just me repeating what the medical establishment believes; I'm not an expert and don't pretend to be. The point is that, if this had been the case, Delta would never have emerged. Now, to be fair, this would have required everyone getting vaxxed at once, which was never a possbility. We rolled it out to different groups over months, which to me always seemed to send the wrong message: Vaccinate the "more vulnerable" first sounds good, but it emphasizes each-individual-being-protected, instead of the real point of vaccines, which is for us all, as a group, to vaccinate together and end the pandemic. Individuals being protected one-at-a-time will not end the pandemic, and as the virus continues to spread it just has more and more opportunities to mutate. In addition, the virus is spreading globally, so unless our vaccines get everywhere in the WORLD at the same time, this is, in my opinion, a bit of a pipe-dream, but still, it's the "dream" that unvaccinated people seem to stand in the way of.

3) I think you know this one, but: hospitals can't be overrun. There are stories all over America now of hospitals that are full. That means if you have a heart attack and get to the hospital "in time" but all the beds are taken up because of Covid patients, you might die. That's fucking horrifying and dystopian, and it feels hypocritical that if you refuse the vaccine you then seek medical treatment when you suddenly need it. I'm not saying you should be turned away; we don't do that. But being reckless in this way IS costing innocent lives, and not just your own. You don't live in a vacuum, and pretending you do is frustrating to us, to say the least.

4) Honestly, being exhausted by your tribalism: A lot of it is just that, when Covid first broke out, many of us -- a slim majority of us, I'd say -- felt this "Oh wow this is crazy but let's band together and stop it." If we'd just all agreed to stay home for a month, and let the government keep us all from starving during that month, then maybe it wouldn't have spread so far. Many other countries pulled this off, or at least, to a far greater degree than the U.S. Instead it was state-by-state, different policies, and everyone fighting against it every step of the way. I was living in NYC at the start of the pandemic, and yes, NYC is very liberal and reacted very strongly against a horrifying surge of early infections, hospitals overrun, etc. I remember the mayor wanted to keep the parks open because kids were out of school (ALL schools shut totally for almost 4 weeks as they had no idea what to do for a while), but he asked parents to please socially distance their kids to keep the virus under control. No one listened, so they reluctantly locked all the playgrounds. They wanted people exercising outside, but please don't play basketball because you're rubbing up right against each other. People did anyway, so they had to remove the hoops from the courts. Basically at every stage, the FIRST suggestion wasn't "force," it was, "Please behave responsibly, these are extraordinary times and call for everyone to chip in, sacrifice a little, and help each other through this." But people weren't responsible. People nationwide fought everything. Fought the closure of indoor environments, fought masking, fought restrictions. The President suggested it would "go away" in the summer, or by election day, and so on. This really was supposed to be a moment when, like on 9/11, we all came together. Remember 9/11? Liberals didn't harp on hating Bush. Liberals didn't even oppose the initial invasion of Afghanistan. We didn't protest the increased security measures at airports, in subway stations, over bridges and through tunnels. No one did. We knew it was real, it was scary, and we needed to come together to fight the enemy, not each other. Why was Covid different? Why did you (not saying you personally but ... 40% of the country) so stubbornly refuse to band together and fight this thing? Covid is now killing almost as many people as 9/11 PER DAY. Yes, really. Look it up. It's a 9/11 every day, but you're acting like it's nothing. You're putting your personal feelings above those of the country. And it really saddens us, and frustrates us. What has to happen for us to come together?

I understand the worry that this is government overrreach, that this is a new drug whose long-term effects aren't known, that you're giving up your individual rights for some "greater good" and that sounds like communist propaganda. But think about, like, every other time we've faced grave threats, even when as a divided nation. Think about 9/11, think about Pearl Harbor, think about the 1918 flu when lockdowns and masks were required and people would have killed for a vaccine that didn't exist yet. Think about all the movies where Aliens attack and Now Humans Band Together. Isn't that the message of the two final Avengers movies? Like, they lose in Infinity War because they're all disassembled after fighting each other, and don't get together until it's too late, but then in Endgame they're all on one team and it's enough to work -- through self-sacrifice? I mean I know it's a comic book movie but my point is, what we're trying to argue for here isn't something we made up, or Marx made up, or Biden or AOC or Pelosi made up ... this is an old idea, an American idea, an idea that I bet in different circumstances you'd subscribe to as well. We're facing a deadly, deadly threat, that threatens to wipe out 1% of our most vulnerable population, which is actually a huge number. Being unvaccinated helps increase spread, overwhelm hospitals, and prolongs this disaster, putting innocent people at greater risk for longer than they should be. And above all else, the symbolism of refusing to join us in what should be a great Patriotic fight against a common enemy ... is really saddening, and worrisome, and it doesn't seem like it's ever going to end. If aliens invaded, would you argue on the internet that the aliens are fake, or a Dem hoax, and insist it's your right to let the aliens take over your house and the government can't tell you to stop? Hell, if a foreign government invaded, and we needed to draft you into the military to fight, as we did in WWII, would you say it's your right not to go and fight, or would you be willing to die for your country? Do you honor those men and women who are willing to die for their country -- but you won't even take a *vaccine* for your country?

Trump is vaccinated. Biden is vaccinated. Hannity and Carlson are vaccinated. The wealthy power brokers all over the world are vaccinated. Our brave men and women in uniform are now required to be vaccinated. Please, please, please join us? Please, for this crisis, as in previous crises, let us come together as a country and do what we need to in order to end this nightmare? The U.S. has *by far* the worst Covid situation in the world. We could be doing better. We need your help. Please?

Well folks, it’s been real.
LoL_LoL123987 102 points103 points 1 day ago

Get that vaccine bro. All things considered, you’re almost certainly gonna be better off getting the vaccine.

Assuming you’re anti-Covid shot because you simply don’t trust the government or the evil companies that made them, look at it this way. If there is anyone evil working at Pfizer, it’s the executives and the board of directors. The actual lab coat wearing nerds who were in those labs working on the vaccines are almost certainly are well intentioned people who’ve put their entire lives into their work and are passionate about what they do. These vaccines are safe, the teams working on them were absolutely massive and were extremely well funded and collaborated with other teams around the world to get the best results and come up with the best vaccine they could.

I got my two shots of Pfizer and only had a sore arm from the syringe, but I know some people that had chills and headaches the next 2 or 3 days, like you sometimes would with any other vaccine. I do know one person personally who went to the hospital after their second shot because their heart was inflamed but the doctors sorted that out quickly and they went home the following day.

If you cave in and get the shot, worst case(highly unlikely) you spend some time in the hospital and go home good as new but with the antibodies to brush off Covid if you ever get it. The most likely case is you get a mild fever that goes away after a day or two.

mRNA material only stays in your body for a couple weeks after the shot, after which it exits out but your immune system is now producing the exact antibodies needed to deal with corona. I recommend getting the Pfizer shot not only because it’s reported to be the most effective of the bunch and has had the lowest numbers of complications and side effects post jab, but also because is only contains 30mg*** of the mRNA stuff, a 1/4 of what the moderna shot has.

Getting the shot means you don’t have to get fired(don’t quit, collect that severance money if you don’t get the shot) and you are safe from the virus. Covid has been racking up a body count compromised of almost entirely unvaccinated people.

**EDIT: I said the Pfizer only contains 30 mg of mRNA genetic material because I could have sworn thats what I heard and didn’t bother to check. I looked it up to verify and I the Pfizer Covid 19 shot actually has 30 *mcg of mRNA gentetic material, which is the active ingredient in the vaccine. For those that don’t know, 1000 mcg is equal to 1 milligram, so there is actually only 0.03 mg of mRNA in the vaccine

Well folks, it’s been real.
Tapprunner 211 points212 points 1 day ago

It's a fucking free shot. Hundreds of millions have been given out. The mRNA technology has been worked on and tested for a decade. Or you can go the J&J route and get a vaccine that more closely resembles the others that you should have already gotten.

You're not taking a principled stand here. You're making up a false conflict so you can LARP as a character in a shitty movie about fighting against some shadowy evil forces and saving the world.

Your own cathartic feelings about being smarter than everyone else and getting validation from internet strangers are taking precedent over reducing the likelihood that you wind up in the hospital (taking up resources that could be used for someone who has a condition or injury they couldn't prevent) or spread the virus to someone else.

Well folks, it’s been real.
CT_5521 89 points90 points 1 day ago

Awwww boo hoo, woe is you.

People like you are why we’re still having to fucking wear masks.

Edit: I was fully expecting to get downvoted into oblivion, thanks for the likes from all my homies with more than 4 brain cells

Well folks, it’s been real.
agms10 253 points254 points 1 day ago

Along with.
Adenovirus, Types 4 and 7
Yellow Fever (navy and marines)
Hepatitis A
Japanese B Encephalitis
Hepatitis B
Small Pox

They cheated again
BigManDan9[S] 2 points3 points 1 day ago

It’s a clown show because they let people on those states do whatever they want instead of controlling them? 🤡🤡🤡

This is where we are now
bandsawbill 206 points207 points 1 day ago

u/Mind7over7matter is right. Try to ignore these people. Some people are just on this planet to make others miserable, and even if there are 1000 people subscribed to that sub-reddit, on the grand scheme of things it is only a very small minority.

You do you. Look after yourself, look after you family, enjoy the small things, and forget about the people wishing death and pain and misery on others.

Kind regards.

Either the vaccine is causing some kind of brain inflammation or fog that is causing people to disconnect from their souls, or the past 18 months have melted minds and destroyed the ability for empathy. There are too many vaccinated people in my life showing these symptoms for it to be coincidental.
Sub-Mongoloid 84 points85 points 2 days ago

extreme personality changes; more aggressive, confrontational, illogical

erratic behavior and life changing decisions out of the blue that make zero sense in the context of their lives

a completely not normal and nonchalant, even non-covid related, tendency towards a sociopathic lack of empathy