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This isn’t what is happening. At all. 


Anyone who says otherwise has no idea what happens at an abortion, has a forced birth agenda and to further that goal is attepting to equate a fetus with an infant, is purposely trying to get a health care provider hurt with inflammatory lies. Or all three.


A Live Birth is Required for Infanticide


I’m going to repeat this again.

You need a live birth for infanticide.

This is the definition that most states use for live birth:




Whether a birth is recorded as “live” in situations of extreme prematurity or fetal anomalies — the kind of situations we are talking about — is not cut and dried. For example, when my son Aidan was born at 22 1/2 weeks I was asked if I wanted his birth to be considered a live birth? It was my choice.

I had no idea? I mean he lived 3 minutes or so, but he could never live a life. What a live birth got me was a birth certificate. I said yes, but in retrospect I wished I hadn’t. A live birth meant he was now a hospital patient and so I was charged $600 for the care he received — a blanket and a nurse holding him. Why was I charged? As he lived 3 minutes I obviously didn’t apply for health insurance. With no insurer to bill, I was charged for his post delivery care as if he were a term infant in the hospital for less than 24 hours. Nice, huh?

It was super special fighting that bill with collections when my other two boys were in the neonatal intensive care unit struggling to not die. So awesome the forced birth advocates are involved in helping women like me when we are literally penalized for having a live birth. (Heavy sarcasm).


Most Abortions Can’t Possibly End in a Live Birth that Can Actually Have a Life








Most Abortions Can’t Possibly End in a Live Birth Because They are Abortions





Most States Don’t Allow Abortions after 20-24 weeks Without Extreme Exceptions



Are there some abortions that happen for rape after 24 weeks? Likely a few. Maybe 1 or 2 a year? Are there a few proecdures for less than lethal anoalies in these states? Perhaps. However, these will all be surgical procedures, so no infanticide is possible as a fetus isn’t an infant and a surgical abortion can’t result in a live birth. 

What About Kermit Gosnell?

Kermit Gosnell’s was a criminal and a physician who preyed on women, working in disgusting conditions (his clinic was fetid with cat urine, for example, and heused dirty equipement). Two women died at his hands and the criminal case brought to the grand jurty documented 7 cases of induction of labor with murder of the infant after delivery.

His activities were reported to the authorities on several occasions and nothing happened for years. Women getting dirty abortions apparently isn’t a tragedy. So much for all the laws designed to make clinics “safe.” I have personally reported a physician for egregious abortion care and nothing happened. So yeah. It’s about laws that punish women, not laws that protect women.

Gosnell took advantage of poor women who were desperate. That is the very thing that happens when legal, safe abortion becomes impossible to obtain or practically impossible due to cost.

When the authorities finally acted on the complaints he was arrested. No special law was required to convict Gosnell. The laws on the books worked when someone bothered to enforce them.

Those who throw around Gosnell’s case only mention the infants, not the women who died. Not all lives matter for “pro-life,eh?

Does infanticide happen outside of criminal back-alley situations? 


So why the Infanticide Claims?




It’s that simple.

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  1. Thank you Dr. JEN! Here in Ohio the #GopCult Senate passes a resolution based on Ben Sasse’s failed federal bill.

    Forced birthers have no integrity. Your article is the #TruthBomb all Americans need.

  2. It seems to me that these anti-abortion groups are fighting an imaginary opponent..
    There are, as far as I know, no “Pro-Abortion” people/organizations out there campaigning
    for abortion..people going up to pregnant women on the streets, subways, and harassing them
    to abort their baby-to-be, you know, to help the planet or whatever..

    So they are left to fight what to me is common sense, the right and judgment of the mother to
    chose what is best for her and her child-to-be(or not).

  3. Thank you so much for the dose of sanity Dr. Gunter. There are forced birthers picketing a PlannedParenthood near my work and I feel so nauseated each time I see them. I wish I could get them to calm down but I am so afraid of them.
    Forcing children to be brought into this world without a prepared mother is mental- also, adoptive parents aren’t just waiting around every corner to scoop up these children. Not to mention how in the world the mother is going to go on with her life after that trauma. I don’t think forced birthers actually consider what happens to these people after the pregnancy is over.
    I hope by 50 years or so we will all have progressed enough to only see these scenarios in horror flicks instead of real life, because it blows my mind that people think they can force others to give birth. It sounds so ridiculously grotesque and absurd- why aren’t women considered human beings to these people? And, honestly, have any of them seen Alien 3? (Not the best metaphor, I know, but come on)
    Someone please tell me they are just the ~highly~ vocal minority…


    All of this – plus early, comprehensive, medically correct sex education in schools. Also, parental leave with income. Also also a medical system that allows for a more personalized care with more time for the pregnant/birthing person so everyone can have as much intervention as they want within the frame of medical necessity. I could go on…

  5. I have lived in United Kingdom and Canada, both of whom have government provided health care. I have never paid for any health service, surgical care, maternity care, etc. When you described the charges for your baby, I was shocked and saddened. I was given more care by my vet when my dog died; they wrapped him in a blanket and allowed my husband and I to hold him for a while to say goodbye, without I should add, an additional charge.

    Infanticide I always believed, was when a woman killed her baby while of, what was called “unbalanced mind”, after the birth of a baby when hormones are in turmoil.

    Your points are well made and so well informed. Thank you for being a voice of reason. Too bad these crackpots cannot use reason.

  6. Jen, you are doing a good job in educating your readers. Agreed with your viewpoint on the isusue. However people
    will not refrain from fucking girls/women illegally for their sexual pleasure. When they become pregnant it becomes
    a issue. It is better for these people to do anal sex as no danger of pregnncy in it and pleasure doubles. Is it correct?

  7. Thank you for ALL of this. I’ve been scratching my head, trying to figure out the best way to counter the outrageous “infanticide” claims that suddenly seem to be coming from everywhere (that’s what a well-funded, coordinated disinformation campaign does).

    1. Why do you not want people with vision problems to read your posts? True I can enlarge the font on my IPad by spreading my fingers, but then I have to scroll left and right to read the entire lines. If the font was split into two coloums then I could enlarge the font significantly without having to scroll left and right.

  8. I have a friend of many years who is one of these people. She swallowed the propaganda whole and has recently been treating me to these birther arguments. This is an emotional decision for these people. No amount of logic or facts will sway them. If logic had any currency, would we have this president (and I use the term loosely)?

  9. Please please please debate this weekend th Meghan McCain or SE Cupp (sp?), two conservatives who fashion themselves fair minded and thoughtful but who still throw around the term infanticide and baby killers.

    Thank you for the hard work you are doing.

    Best, Frankie Lancos

    Sent from my iPhone


  10. What an awesome in depth answer. Everyone should now be able to differentiate between the two!

  11. There are no words in the English language that capture the perfection of your explanation. Thank you. Keep shouting.

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