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NASA is wrong
By BibleForever on 12/5/2008 6:46:51 PM , Rating: -1
It really bothers me that NASA exists. Hundreds of people are starving around the world and Bush spends money on a silly little science fiction project. Science needs to grow up and work on real problems like terrorism and starvation.

RE: NASA is wrong
By deeznuts on 12/5/2008 9:53:26 PM , Rating: 4
Hundreds of people that's all?

Shit lets pass the hat around right here and get them fed!

"Do they know it's christmas time at all?

Feeeeeeeed thheeeee wooorrrrld! ..."

RE: NASA is wrong
By BibleForever on 12/5/08, Rating: -1
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By Belard on 12/6/2008 9:56:51 AM , Rating: 2
Hmmmm... NASA uses a budget that is very tiny. The fake war started by the fake-so-to-be-gone President has blown $10billion dollars a month, costs over 4,000 American lives (over 20,000 severely wounded) and anywhere from 150,000~500,000 dead in Iraq.

The Space Shuttle is not small. Its far bigger than your truck. Its not looking for Star Trek... you can go to your local WalMart and get Star Trek for $15~60 depending on what you buy. It's a delivery truck for space, for the most part.

And its SPACE technology - things that are developed for space or discovered about things beyond our planet, that has advanced America (or used to)in Science, tech and medical. Check out your WalMart shoes with the Velcro straps - yep, space tech. The computer you're working on? The need for faster and better computers, Yup - Space (and military).

Also, exploration teaches us about our home, where we come from and where we may go. Because in the big scheme of things... our little planet is all we have and we're not going anywhere else, soon. (Give it scale, lets say the Earth was the size of a mouse, our planet still wouldn't be the size of a galaxy.) If you live in the city, drive out of town at night and look up on a clear night. Those little white dots we call "stars" are mostly galaxies. In case you don't know what they look like, here's a crappy picture showing some at various distances in one photographic shot:

Here is a close up view of one:

The time it has taken for our solar system (and earth) to make a revolution, the Dinorsaurs and come and gone and we're brand new.

Are there far more reasons to be ashamed to be an "American", you betcha!

RE: NASA is wrong
By Belard on 12/6/2008 10:08:10 AM , Rating: 2
Okay, found a better picture of some Galaxies from Hubble. Very cool photo. (2400x3000)

There are billions, even hundreds of billions of stars in many Galaxies (That is more stars than Bill Gates worth in pennies) and there are about 100 billion Galaxies.

To Learn more:


RE: NASA is wrong
By nineball9 on 12/6/2008 4:15:42 PM , Rating: 2

No, only a few objects outside our galaxy are visible to the naked eye and they are all pretty dim. A few of the galaxies of the Local Group such as Andromeda (M31) and the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds in the Southern Hemisphere can be seen with the naked eye. Very dim, the Triangulum Galaxy (M33), also part of the Local Group, is generally considered to be the most distant object visible to the naked eye. Bode's Galaxy (M81) can be seen with binoculars, though some can see it without an aid. Gobular Clusters outside the plane of the Milky Way can be seen though they are part of the galaxy.

There are only about 8,000 stars visible to the naked eye (8,479 according to this site , about 2,500 from at any given spot and time with perfect viewing conditions.)

However, the Hubble Deep Field and the Hubble Ultra Deep Field images are amazing!

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Looking for star trek?

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By FactNotFiction on 12/6/2008 9:03:27 PM , Rating: 4
BibleForever, you stated that it "really bothers" you that NASA exists and that NASA makes you "ashamed" to be an American. Wow, do you really know what you’re saying? I suspect not, but let’s find out:

You’re not proud that it was America that developed the satellite technology that routinely relays pagers, cell phones, dish television signals, as well as vital emergency, medical and nation defense information to Americans at home and abroad? You’re not proud of the American Global Positioning Satellite system that safely guides our civilian and military vehicles, and is used by search and rescue teams to save hundreds of lives each year? Are you not proud that advanced American weather technologies save thousands of lives each year through early warnings of coming hurricanes, floods and tornados?

I guess you don’t ever fly in airplanes? Because if you did, I would think you’d actually be proud of the advanced American technologies on board like wind sheer detection and collision avoidance systems. I suppose you or your family never travel on freeways in the rain? If you did, you might be proud of the simple, but life saving American invention of thin groves in the concrete that makes driving in bad weather much safer for millions of Americans every day.

And what if you or a loved one’s house was on fire, and a firefighter was able to rescue them because of the advanced life saving equipment they use (including specialized clothing, advanced communications, cooling and respiration systems)? Would you ashamed of that? And are you ashamed that American Air and Space based agriculture imaging is allowing our farmers to feed far more people with the same amount of land? How about our microprocessor technology? Are you ashamed of the computer in front of you, or the data compression technology that you’re using right now? (If yes, why are you doing it)?

And are you ashamed that America developed the IR and VL image enhancement technology that helps our police and military to catch the bad guys, while helping doctors around the world to provide early and accurate diagnosis of hundreds of problems? Are you ashamed that these American technologies are saving American lives every day? Have you ever known anyone with a pacemaker? If so, are you ashamed of them (and the technology that is sustaining them)? Are you ashamed each time American developed robotics detonates a device that would have otherwise killed or injured our brave soldiers and law enforcement personnel, (or when the same technology is used in delicate micro surgery to save the lives of ordinary people like your friends and neighbors)?

Let me ask, do you have any smoke detectors or carbon monoxide detectors in your home? If yes, are you ashamed of them? Do you use – or know anyone who uses – cordless phones, toothbrushes, screwdrivers, drills, hand vacuums or other cordless devices? If so, are you ashamed of them too? Based on your post, you should be ashamed of everything I mentioned.

Why? Because all of the above are not just the result of American science, they are the direct result of NASA science! And all this for less than 8/10th of one penny of every American tax dollar! Maybe you didn’t know all this. If so, may I suggest you’re initial post was a tad bit misinformed. But if you still say you’re ashamed of the above NASA technologies, then you should sell your computer and disconnect those smoke detectors right now. No? Then it would seem you don’t have much faith in your own beliefs.

As Americans, NASA is one of the things we should all be the MOST proud of. It "really bothers" me when people that don't know what they're talking about, talk anyway (and with such strong conviction). It's no wonder we’re currently in such trouble as a nation.

RE: NASA is wrong
By Parhel on 12/7/2008 12:29:59 AM , Rating: 2
That's a mighty long response for someone who:

a) is a troll
b) is almost certainly a fake
c) will probably make about a dozen posts and never be seen again

Well written post, though. I hear many people object to NASA for all sorts of reasons, and I can't wrap my head around it. I'm very skeptical regarding the existence of extraterrestrial life. But, no matter what's out there, we should be investing 10 times as much as we do into NASA. We've become content and lazy, and lost touch with the explorer spirit. If our generation was around 500 years ago, we probably still wouldn't have discovered America.

RE: NASA is wrong
By kontorotsui on 12/5/2008 10:00:52 PM , Rating: 2
Dear BibleForever you hit the record of wrong statements here.
1) Hundreds of THOUSANDS of people are starving, probably millions, not hundreds.
2) If they are starving is not of lack of science, but because their countries are plagued by war and corruption.
3) NASA is neither silly nor science fiction, it is real science and engineering and human race should be proud of our achievement in space, even if still limited.
4) Terrorism nowadays is not due to lack of science, but usually because of people that blindly believe in some evil guys who shape religion and ignorance for their schemes. Religion fanatism should be well know to you, as your username proves.
5) Bush, I mean USA, probably spends 100-1000 times more money on military budget, why don't you complain about that?

RE: NASA is wrong
By Belard on 12/5/2008 11:00:39 PM , Rating: 2
Or perhaps in such countries where there are no jobs (including in he USA) that are starving - STOP HAVING BABIES! Jesus!!!

In the wild, when the habitat can no longer support the amount of life, the natural thing is to NOT create more resource eating machines.

So... that woman that is starving and has 5 starving kids? Perhaps if she had NO children, she'd have food in her stomach. Its a fact, the earth only has SO MUCH space to feed humans. DUH!

RE: NASA is wrong
By Ringold on 12/6/2008 3:06:27 AM , Rating: 1
Malthus was wrong.

The 'Population Bomb' theory was wrong.

Welcome to 2008, where shrinking and aging populations promise to be the largest fiscal threat to ever face western civilization within 20 years. It's also sad to think that, one day, France, Berlin and Rome will be populated almost entirely by people who don't share at all the ancient cities original culture, because all those who did chose to not have kids.

Over population is only an issue in the poorest regions of the world; when they start to gain wealth, birth rates plummet. Even starvation isn't a resource depletion issue, it's a distribution, government, and financial issue.

So lets not pretend fewer babies will fix anything. If anything, the West needs more of them. At least be honest with the anti-human agenda; environmental whacko's want fewer humans simply because humans are vile infidels corrupting the sacred biosphere, crushing beautiful cockroachs and poisoning innocent rats where ever we build our cities.

RE: NASA is wrong
By Belard on 12/6/2008 9:32:56 AM , Rating: 2
Er... lets see, Fishermen have to go out deeper into the ocean to find FISH... because of over-fishing is deleting the oceans.

What used to be forests in the USA is mostly farms. Ever fly in a plane? Leave a major city and its farm after farm... to feed people. The amount of Fresh water needed is also becoming problematic. Desalination factories of course will be required.

One thing this planet doesn't need, is more people (And I do have a son).

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Look at popluation trends and you will understand Ringold's statements.

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RE: NASA is wrong
By BikeDude on 12/7/2008 4:52:28 PM , Rating: 2

People who live under rough conditions have more children because the child mortality is high. More kids means bigger chance of propagating one's genes. Pure evolution at play.

But logically speaking, I do agree with you. The population growth need to be controlled. We should look to progressive countries like China, where the government successfully dictate a one-child policy.

I think it has been proven that a capitalistic system won't manage to keep the world fed (farmers make more money growing flowers, tobacco or opium compared to food).

...and neither will a state subsidized system. (prime example: EU subsidized production of milk -- which generates a surplus of milk -- that then is turned to powdered milk and shipped off to third-world countries -- where local dairy farmers cannot compete with dirt cheap european milk = more poor people to feed)

We need new technology. We need new ideas. We need... so many things.

...or we should start deciding which people to kill. Because the next wave of famine is going to be nasty and there will be many desperate people crossing all sorts of borders.

My vote is on killing obese americans and europeans. Anyone weighing more than 100kg need to be terminated. That should leave more than enough food for the rest of us for quite some time.

I thank you for your kind attention.

RE: NASA is wrong
By BibleForever on 12/5/2008 11:34:35 PM , Rating: 2
You are wrong on every point. Science is murder and those who practice it are murderers. The Bible says so twice. I think you have a lot of growing up to do young man. That said, I forgive you.

RE: NASA is wrong
By Falloutboy on 12/6/2008 1:27:56 AM , Rating: 2
fly away little troll

RE: NASA is wrong
By kickoff877 on 12/6/2008 9:38:56 AM , Rating: 2
Seriously? Murder? How many drugs have you ever taken? Cars have you driven? How many times a day do you use the results of a work done by scientists? Say.... the scientist that engineered the computer you typed your ignorant thoughts on?

HEATHEN!! HELL AWAITS!! But I forgive you too.

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By TheSpaniard on 12/7/2008 12:56:17 PM , Rating: 2
so when can we expect you to sell off your computer, home, and car. as well as any other modern day item, all of those things, including food purchased from stores, were made by murderers

and use that money to purchase a farm and feed the hundereds of starving people in the US?

RE: NASA is wrong
By gumbi18 on 12/7/2008 5:36:05 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not a religious person, but I have read the bible and if my memory serves me correctly nowhere does it state that science is murder.

RE: NASA is wrong
By kickoff877 on 12/6/2008 9:21:41 AM , Rating: 2
I have a problem with point #5. The military budget should be even higher, that's where I get paid from!!

RE: NASA is wrong
By Jim28 on 12/6/2008 3:25:25 PM , Rating: 1
At the very lest folks need to know what else the government spends OUR money on.
Some folks gripe about the billions spent in this country on the military. what about trillions spent every year on in entitlements? What about the 1 to 7 trillion dollar bailout pricetag that we are going to print money in order to pay for. Maybe folks get confused by all of those zeroes but I will do a small comparison.
We spend approximately 1.5 Trillion on SS/Medicare and other entitlements. That is 127 Billion a month.
We spend 626 billion on defense. That is 52 billion.
Add the 10billion a month extra for the war appropriations the defense budget is still 62 billion a month.
Out of a federal budget of approx 2.7 trillion.

So tell me where is the money going eh? And folks bitch about 10 billion a month. Admittedly the cost of defense and the iraq war is not cheap but together they are far less expensive than the entitlement sections of the budget. I guess the hardcore liberals want a country with no credible military, and all of us on an entitlement program. I was too lazy to make the numbers exact as you can see with the link to wikipedia.

RE: NASA is wrong
By Pavelyoung on 12/7/2008 5:35:18 AM , Rating: 1
You know, who really gives a damn about the people that are starving in Africa? Tell them to move out of the DESERT! Don't they know that nothing grows in the desert?

Honestly, exactly how many people do you expect to feed with the 0.1% of the budget that NASA gets?

RE: NASA is wrong
By Regs on 12/8/2008 8:43:48 AM , Rating: 3
We cannot help people that don't want to be helped. Africa? They sit on vast lands filled with the most precious minerals and metals in the world. Though they rather trade them for guns to slaughter their own people in tribal wars. Giving them any kind of money will just fuel the fire.

It's like giving a bum 10 dollars. They'll either spend it on booze, smokes, or drugs.


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