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#63 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
#163 to #63 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
Ever hear the phrase "give the devil an inch and he'll take a mile"? What's to stop our government from one day down the road using these laws to further infringe upon our rights and turning us into another communist China or Russia? Where we can be arrested for even breathing a bad word about our government and protestors can be arrested just for protesting.

You can call me paranoid if you like, but you have to admit that these laws HAVE opened the door for this and it HAS happened in the past to other countries.
#182 to #163 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
This is what I mean when I say people need to calm the **** down. You're seriously over reacting. Right now you're making mountains out of mole hills. Stop with your stupid conspiracy theories. We're not those other countries, it wont happen here don't worry.
#103 to #63 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
Let me tell you why that's ******** :
1. The Government has gone after people who had done nothing and had no reason to be suspected as terrorists: The line "I have nothing to hide so there's no issue" is false because sometimes they did go after people who had nothing to hide, and they didn't do anything but they're gone.
2. He's a being a goddamn traitor? Listen idiot; he was acting more as a patriot then a traitor and guess what! Another person came out and told everyone of what some suspected terrorists did after this news came out but they didn't called a traitor, they didn't get charges against them.
3. "This is supposed to protect us from terrorists" At the cost your freedom and privacy.
#105 to #103 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
1. Unfounded, unsupported hyperbole.
2. He broke his contract and disclosed classified data that revelaed organisation and exact methods used by an intelligence agency. This is classic espionage. Nothing revealed is illegal, he did it simple because he had a personal moral issue - you cannot have every government employee sabotaging the porograms they happen not to like.
3. You submit more information to the government willingly every time you do your taxes. Whats more, it is possible to find out more information about an individual US citizen from facebook and google searches than they can legally get from these progams.

TLDR you havn't got a ******* clue what you're talking about.
#120 to #105 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
1. So this guy can't break his contract and tell classified data that everyone should know yet another person can and give terrorists more valuable information? Honestly what this guy did was just tell everyone something they already knew. 2.Looking through private emails is illegal and even if against terrorist actions is still illegal unless you have a warrant which many times they don't.
3. Yea you submit more information willingly often I agree and if it was purely looking through public information and information you send to them I don't think anyone would care however it still doesn't change the fact they are breaking privacy laws when listening to phone calls and reading emails.
#146 to #120 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
1. The documents he leaked had far more than the scare-mongering, it had specific operations and organisation of practices - valuable information to both foreign intelligence agencies and also to the people trying to avoid the NSA. That is direct sabotage.
2. It is illegal without a subpoena and NO instances of this being neglected have been reported. No email content has been read illegally.
3. Once again, no laws have been broken, nor the constitution neglected. No phonecalls have been listened to and no email content read.

I cannot stress enough the difference between metadata and actual content.
#102 to #63 - mrtwitty (07/10/2013) [-]
The fact that this hasn't been thumbed down into oblivion has made me lose faith in this site. The government doesn't have our best interest in mind. If they did, they would grant us the privacy promised to us in the constitution. These programs are in place only to exacerbate the governments own power and control.

There's a famous quote along the lines of those who give up privacy for security deserve to and will loose both. Patriotism is defined by following the values your country should have, not bending over for the powers that be.

tl;dr: go suck a dick anon 1.
#119 to #102 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
Holy **** there are really people this paranoid... everything is just a conspiracy theory huh? DAH GOBERNMENT IS OUT TO GET MEH! ******* nutcase... calm the **** down, the whole world isn't out to get you. You're over reacting making mountains out of mole hills. I disagree with your definition of Patriotism but wont say my own because I know how unpopular it is.
#104 to #102 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
Your clear lack of understanding or willing to look into whats been going on is abundantly clear.

The data stored is metadata - times, dates, length of call, subject lines. No content. They cannot even request to get the content unless they can first prove probable cause and get a subpoena from court. They cannot use any of the data in PRISM to prove said probable cause.

Whats more, PRISM is focused not on nationals but on non-nationals not on american soil. The fact that they get info pertaining to US nationals is incidental and a direct result of how the internet is set up - you don't get info straight from a server to you, it bounces around all over the place and if it passes through a station being monitored it gets added to the PRISM database.

No part of this process is illegal, unconstitutional or even vaguely scary to those that understand it. If you have ever worked an office job then the IT department had far more access to your stuff than the big bad NSA.
#110 to #104 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
>get a subpoena from court.
>Implying they aren't the ******* government and don't just ignore it like they did so many other times.
#112 to #110 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
Ah, so your issue is just a classic case of disliking authority.

You'll grow out of it.
#123 to #112 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
Or you know he's just pointing out something he thought was stupid.
User avatar #85 to #63 - nucularwar (07/10/2013) [-]
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he was perfectly fine with it when his party was in power
#67 to #63 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
Disregard this, i am a huge fag and suck french dicks atm. Mhhhh, delicious.
In fact, Edward Snowden is a true american hero, because he spreads the truth across the world.
Everyone deserves to know of the US treachery. The internet must continue to be a place of freedom.
#100 to #67 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
He signed a contract of confidentiality and broke it. He deserves to be thrown in jail for this. He had a contract with the government and blatantly disobeyed it.
#209 to #100 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
lol, i was just kidding. Edward Snowden is my hero, love that brave duder.
#69 to #67 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
If we "are not that important to waste time on", so why is this gouvernment saving ALL our data, no matter who we are?
Anon #1 really is a dickhead.
#101 to #69 - anonymous (07/10/2013) [-]
They aren't actually looking at any of it. There are MILLIONS of phone calls and emails sent every day, do you really think they have the time or manpower to actually view all of these? They don't.
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