@prefix u: . @prefix w: . @prefix n: . @prefix mr: . @prefix pd: . @prefix pa: . @prefix m: . @prefix rdfc: . @prefix who: . # @@needs anchors # I've incorporated these changes: # Mike Dean was present (Fri, 25 May 2001 16:11:25 -0400) # Ron Daniel sent regrets (Tue, 29 May 2001 07:29:36 -0700) # BrianM Wed, 30 May 2001 16:31:32 +0100 # http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001May/0238.html #@@this comment belongs as real RDF, not a comment. a rdfc:Teleconference; mr:date "2001-05-25"; mr:roll [ n:_1 [ mr:from who:brian_mcbride; a mr:ChairAck ]; n:_2 [ mr:from who:danbri; a mr:Present ]; n:_3 [ mr:from who:barstow; a mr:Present ]; n:_4 [ mr:from who:beckett; a mr:Present ]; n:_5 [ mr:from who:frank; a mr:Absent ]; # @@hm... mr:Absent isn't really a response; it's a lack of a response. n:_6 [ mr:from who:connolly; a mr:ScribeAck ]; n:_7 [ mr:from who:rdaniel; a mr:Regrets ]; n:_8 [ mr:from who:bdehora; a mr:Present ]; n:_9 [ mr:from who:deroo; a mr:Regrets ]; n:_10 [ mr:from who:rael; a mr:Absent ]; n:_11 [ mr:from who:grant; a mr:Present ]; n:_12 [ mr:from who:horner; a mr:Absent ]; n:_13 [ mr:from who:renato; a mr:Absent ]; n:_14 [ mr:from who:ykitahara; a mr:Absent ]; n:_15 [ mr:from who:Klyne; a mr:Regrets ]; n:_16 [ mr:from who:mkopchenov; a mr:Absent ]; n:_17 [ mr:from who:lassila; a mr:Absent ]; n:_18 [ mr:from who:fmanola; a mr:Present ]; n:_19 [ mr:from who:snakamura; a mr:Absent ]; n:_20 [ mr:from who:spetschu; a mr:Present ]; n:_21 [ mr:from who:pgr; a mr:Absent ]; n:_22 [ mr:from who:aswartz; a mr:Present ]; n:_23 [ mr:from who:mdean; a mr:Present ]; n:_24 [ mr:from who:guha; a mr:Absent ]; # didn't actually call his name, did we? n:_25 [ mr:from who:em; a mr:Present ] ]; mr:agenda [ n:_1 [ u:label """00 Welcome, Roll Call, volunteer scribe, Agenda Review Minutes of previous meeting"""; mr:summary """minutes recorded by EricM approved as corrected in 0124, 0125 @@links. DanBri: intends to meet with Guha next week in IRC and to get a brain dump from him. McBride solicits folks with test cases to send them to him. McBride reminds all that ftf is scheduled for 1,2 Aug. agenda request: discussion of communicating resolutions to developer community. """; mr:result [ a mr:ActionAck; mr:index n:_1; mr:from who:guha; u:label "Solicit RDF feature usage info and report back to the group" ]; mr:result [ a mr:ActionDone; #@@ mr:index n:_2; mr:from who:beckett; u:label "Update the proposed changes for this issue[@@which?] and add test cases to demonstrate how they worked."; ]; mr:result [ mr:index n:_3; mr:from who:lassilla, who:danbri; u:label """send analysis (#rdf-container-syntax-ambiguity and #rdf-containers-syntax-vs-schema)to rdfcore-wg list"""; a mr:ActionAck; #@@ link to progress in email ]; mr:result [ mr:index n:_4; mr:from who:beckett; u:label "re #rdfms-not-id-and-resource-attr: Revise analysis and post to list"; a mr:ActionDone ]; mr:result [ mr:index n:_4; mr:from who:guha; u:label "re #rdfms-reification-required: Present analaysis to list for discussion."; a mr:ActionAck; #@@distinguish accepting an item from continuing one. ]; mr:result [ mr:index n:_6; mr:from who:brian_mcbride; u:label "Link test cases, results etc. from issues list"; a mr:ActionAck; ]; mr:result [ mr:index n:_7; mr:from who:grant; u:label "Do an analysis of the impact of XML Base and summarise to list."; a mr:ActionAck; ]; mr:result [ mr:index n:_8; mr:from who:brian_mcbride; u:label "Contact Rael about hosting face to face at O'Reilly."; a mr:ActionAck; ]; mr:result [ mr:index n:_9; mr:from who:Klyne, who:fmanola; u:label """to summarize www-rdf-logic perspective of reification as it applies to both logic and rdf andreport back to rdfcore wg"""; a mr:ActionAck; ]; mr:result [ mr:index n:_10; a mr:Withdrawn; u:label "dup of A9"; ]; mr:result [ mr:index n:_11; mr:from who:em; u:label "to provide a solution enabling write access to RDF M&S and Schema errata documents."; a mr:ActionDone ]; mr:result [ mr:deliverable ; #@@deliverable is new mr:index n:_12; mr:from who:barstow; u:label """to formalize his suggestion RDFCore changes be reflected in a separate page so developers can easily find these issues/resolutions."""; a mr:ActionDone; ]; ]; n:_2 [ u:label "15 re issues: #rdf-containers-syntax-ambiguity #rdf-containers-syntax-vs-schema"; mr:summary "postponed. @@make this a class."; ]; n:_3 [ u:label "30 re issue: #rdf-ns-prefix-confusion"; mr:summary """ Connolly: so the language doesn't contain these documents. Good. that's clear. Connolly: licensing processors to accept documents that aren't in the language is risky... the user community learns what the language is by what the tools do. [... scribe is discussing too much to do a good job recording; help? ] EricM: there's a requirement for syntactic inclusion in HTML. BillD: I think we need to fix productions 4, 5, and 9 DaveB: I listed a bunch of productions in item2 of the proposal... BillD: let's make it clear that folks MUST NOT use unprefixed resource/about/.. attrs. em notes that he may have overstated earlier requirements as there is no specified requirement of syntactic inclusion in M&S Specification. item 7 is withdrawn; change is incorporated into item 2. ArtB: so you're changing production 6.19 so that the prefix is not optional? DaveB: yes. ArtB: do folks realize there might be a lot of RDF out there in this form? several: yes. BillD: this looks like an erratum then; the grammar had a typo. EricM: let's note this in both places: the errata and the developers page. BrianM: DaveB's proposal should be couched in terms of 'namespace qualified' rather than 'namespace prefixed'. scribe note: "prefixed" doesn't occur in the RDF 1.0 spec. DaveB: I have 7 tests. """; mr:result [ a mr:Decision; u:label """ The current RDF/XML syntax uses the following attributes in the syntax: about aboutEach aboutEachPrefix ID bagID resource parseType -- List of RDF attributes (henceforth The List) The remaining concepts are not in the list because: a. Seq Bag Alt Property Statement These are rdfs:Class-es and can never be used as attributes b. RDF Description Syntax only things that have no current use as attributes c. li _ subject predicate object type value Not allowed to be used unprefixed according to the grammar Note Re: aboutEach aboutEachPrefix At present it is expected these will be removed from the specification although the WG has not addressed this yet. See thread at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001May/0123.html [@@@hmm... formatting/structure of decisions] """; ]; mr:result [ a mr:Decision; u:label """ 2. The grammar will be corrected to require namespace-qualification for all attributes for The List. A namespace prefix MUST be used for these attributes, where the namespace prefix points to the RDF URI http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns# The meaning of the attributes is defined by the appropriate RDF M&S sections and is not modified here. The changes to the grammar at http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-rdf-syntax/#grammar include modifying productions 6.6, 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 6.11, 6.18, 6.32, 6.33 to have rdf: added before all the attributes. There are almost certainly other changes to the grammar, as well as changes throughout the rest of the document such as examples and in-text mentions. """; ]; mr:result [ a mr:Decision; u:label "to remove 3, 4, 5 from the proposal of Thu, 24 May 2001 14:47:07 +0100; i.e. not to license RDF processors to accept documents that contain unprefixed attributes"; ]; mr:result [ a mr:Decision; u:label """6. The grammar will be corrected to allow non-prefixed [correction: _not_ non-qualified] RDF elements (NOT attributes) when a default XML namespace is defined with an xmlns="..." attribute. Discussion: For example ... is currently forbidden by production 6.3; it requires rdf:Description """; ]; mr:result [ a mr:ActionAck; mr:from who:brian_mcbride; u:label "edit the errata per the resolutions above; i.e. those regarding #rdf-ns-prefix-confusion"; ]; mr:result [ a mr:ActionAck; mr:from who:beckett; u:label "assemble test cases re #rdf-ns-prefix-confusion and suggest details of how the grammar in the spec should be updated."; ]; ]; n:_4 [ u:label "Format for expected results of test cases"; mr:summary """jang: we have an evolving convention for test case input; I have a suggestion for "expected results" format. that I intend to send."""; mr:result [ a mr:ActionAck; mr:from who:grant; u:label "propose expected results format."; ]; ]; n:_5 [ u:label "Adjournment"; mr:result [ a mr:Decision; u:label "to meet again one week hence"; ] ]; ]; mr:previous ; mr:meetingCall . mr:archivedIn ; m:subject "RDFCore WG 2001-05-25 Teleconference Agenda". mr:archivedIn ; is mr:record of [ mr:date "2001-05-18" ]. # transcribe a little bit of the charter here... rdfc:Teleconference a u:Class; u:label "Teleconference"; u:seeAlso . u:label "W3C RDFCore Working Group".