Submitted by TrickyMic 270d ago | opinion piece

Did Sony Overlook the Seriousness of DRM


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Mikelarry  +   270d ago
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badz149  +   270d ago
DRM used to be a weapon against pirates
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noctis_lumia  +   270d ago

also sony owns europe,asia
Kleptic  +   269d ago



MS, on the other hand, has forced it to be an integral part of the hardware...in which all choice is removed...

and its not going to work...
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tiffac008  +   270d ago
noctis_lumia  +   270d ago
the xbone is only available in 21 countries
that alone is pretty bad
FunkMacNasty  +   269d ago


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JoGam  +   270d ago
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MELMAN26  +   270d ago
The author also needs to make a correction to his graph.


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MELMAN26  +   270d ago

His graph is factually incorrect!
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jmc8888  +   270d ago
ROFL no it doesn't.






So used game sales led to new game sales.



gameonbro   270d ago | Spam
dlocsta  +   270d ago
H3ADWOUND81  +   270d ago
Where as xbone gamers have no choice..
dlocsta  +   269d ago
duplissi  +   270d ago


126 to 505."

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Gamer1982  +   270d ago

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Gardenia  +   269d ago
blacktiger  +   269d ago
COPY & PASTE TO XboxONE fans and Anti Consumer:

Let me make it clear the disadvantage of Shared Game!




Death  +   269d ago
Godmars290  +   269d ago
Ryo-Hazuki  +   269d ago
"MS win this gen YET AGAIN"?


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oof46  +   269d ago
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dedicatedtogamers  +   270d ago
"this will actually help Microsoft win this generation yet again"


Anyway, moving on...






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NateCole  +   270d ago
Lol! Thats what i thought as well.

Either he is ignorant or an xbot.

Utalkin2me  +   270d ago
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omi25p  +   270d ago


I could care less about the disagrees im about to get.

Its a fact.

dedicatedtogamers  +   270d ago
Like I said

"geographically-redefini ng movement of the goal posts"


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TRGMatt  +   269d ago

From a business standpoint...in America? Sure, they got their meta victory for not allowing Sony to dominate the core console market there. But they are non-factors globally and from a BUSINESS STANDPOINT that isn't a victory at all.
NameRemoved0017  +   270d ago
"this will actually help Microsoft win this generation yet again"

Sony sold more PS3's than xbox 360s.
The wii sold more consoles than both.

Who won?
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Why o why  +   270d ago
bu b marketshare dupid ;)
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ExPresident  +   270d ago
The spin of these so called gaming journalists is getting really fricken old.
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MonChiChi  +   270d ago
There is still money to be had on ps4, a smart publisher would not pass this up. If a publisher does then screw em, their game is most likely some sequel piece of crap.
Unicron  +   270d ago
Publishers will go where gamers go.
BABY-JEDI  +   270d ago
Publishers will go where the money is. Which will be down to the gamers. Do gamers want DRM? Hell no!
Imalwaysright  +   270d ago
Exactly. We control this industry and MS will be "educated" on this simple fact the hard way.
Rockstar  +   270d ago
MasterCornholio  +   270d ago
Hmm i remember that there were many posters claiming that if Sony didnt adopt the same DRM system as Microsoft no one would support them.

Guess what happened?
Why o why  +   270d ago
these pseudo annalist, part time apologist seem to forget the fundamentals.

Gamers = revenue

∴ More gamers = More revenue
TrickyMic  +   270d ago
That is true! I even mentioned that in the article. Problem is, if the games go to X-Box One, that is where the gamers will go!
Transporter47  +   270d ago
I think that M$ overlooked the seriousness of DRM as how they think this helps the game developers but screws their consumers over, as you can see there is no win scenario with DRM.
SilentGuard  +   270d ago
How does the DRM and used game restrictions help developers when MS is going to allow you to share your games library with ten people. It doesn't make sense. It just goes to show the how the whole used games boogie man is nothing more than a red herring, an excuse to implement control.
Transporter47  +   270d ago
They let you share games that are not yours to begin with.. so yeah..
jmc8888  +   270d ago

Used game sales would hurt less then if M$ actually allowed one game to then be given to 10 other people.

So something isn't correct.

Again if Activision would have said no to putting the original CoD Black Ops on the 360 because of 'used game concerns' then they would have lost out on 12 million sales

12x60 = $720 million dollars split amongst all parties (retailer,distributor, etc)
Neko_Mega  +   270d ago
Don't know, if more people are buying PS4. Then the developers have to be pretty dumb not to put anything on PS4, money is money.
Mikelarry  +   270d ago
hey i don't want your money its ps4 money :)
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Codeman420  +   270d ago
Funny thing is Devs still make money from used games in the form of DLC, not as much but they still get some. DRM is only tarnishing MS image with its customers, Devs will go where the gamers are and Gamers will go where they feel they have to most power and fun. and right now Sony has done everything right with its consumers, devs and pus will see this and makes games for it because it will make them money
Pro_TactX  +   270d ago
The author's premise is flawed. Publishers might be enticed by DRM on a console, but consumers will not be. Consumers will likely go with whatever product offers the least restrictions, and publishers will invariably follow the consumers.
Yo Mama  +   270d ago
Really? You think DRM is what is going to win over developers and publishers? Because the news post a few spots down from this one says that the President of Warner Bros IE thinks DRM is stupid.


" Regarding the Xbox One's used game stance, Tremblay said he was "surprised" by Microsoft's choice to leave decisions about allowing or denying secondhand sales up to publishers

"You've got to listen to your consumers," Tremblay said. "You've got to listen to people playing the game. That's very important. I think I was a little bit surprised, to be honest…Now that we see that coming and we see what people want, just go with it. That's the way I look at it."
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MysticStrummer  +   270d ago
"this will actually help Microsoft win this generation yet again"

Gotta win once to win again.


Why would you want to develop games for a console where one person can buy a new game and share it with 10 people?
Mikelarry  +   270d ago

easily i might add, at least with the physical copy its harder to share the game with 10 people at the convenience of thier home, but with this share with your family i can play your game till i get bored and move on to the next title without having to leave my house
FrigidDARKNESS  +   270d ago
It is serious because Sony do have a DRM plan just hasnt been revealed. EA Ubisoft Activision and others have all got together design and crafted a DrM plan. Third party publishers will not put their large budget titles on a no DRM platform to lose money. They could very easily put those large big budget titles to the xb1 to get a profit from used games.
NihonjinChick  +   270d ago
Sony doesn't have a DRM plan. They announced that during E3.
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FrigidDARKNESS  +   270d ago
They are lying to you. cliffy B. Knows they have a plan.
Grindlefly  +   270d ago
So, assuming Sony are being straight and ps4 has no drm, and assuming the projected pre orders turn into sales and ps4 outsells x1 15-1, do you honestly think any publisher would turn their back on a huge install base just to make some money off used games?

I understand my point has "if's" but potentially you are saying that a publisher will turn down 1 million in sales to make a fraction of that in the used game market?

I can't see it happening
NihonjinChick  +   270d ago
Cliffy B is a fool who doesn't know what he is talking about. Let me refer you to the PS4 used game instructional video.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIF h8ICaA

P.S I'm probably going to buy a XboxOne too but I'm not going to ignore the fact the the PS4 is infact better for consumers. I'm not going to ignore what was said and confirmed in clear word by Sony and troll Sony articles, as you have been doing.

I'm going to buy both consoles. I'm a gamer and I like games. Both consoles have them.

Bro, just stop it. If you like the XboxOne, buy it. No need to troll articles though.
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Game4life  +   270d ago
@ frigid
you sir are so delusional
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firelogic  +   270d ago
I really don't know how many times Sony has to say it. The PS4 does not have any inherent DRM features like the XB1. Sony is leaving it up to the publishers JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH THE PS3. Is it really that hard to comprehend?

MS on the otherhand, built-in DRM features such as the 24hr authentication, the installing of games and tying it to your XBL profile. The friendslist requirement. The same IP address for game sharing with family members. Making deals with retailers for trade-ins/resales.

Sony outright said they aren't doing any of that. But if publishers decide to do online passes again or something else, it's up to them. The PS4 is an open system.
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givemeshelter  +   270d ago
This will all come down to consumers. If consumers flock to the XboxOne as they did the Xbox360, this won't bode well for gamers. Why? Because it will validate this business model and you can bloody well know 3rd party publishers will follow suit.
The saving grace is the PS4 is One Hundred Dollars cheaper so it should sell better....
FrigidDARKNESS  +   270d ago
....and the shareholders of these publishers will start breathing down the CEO necks when one platform allows them toturn a profit on used games and the other doesn't.
Game4life  +   270d ago
not if a publishers game sells considerablely better on the platform with no drm and no restricting used games
BlackTar187  +   270d ago
except the xbox 360 is in last place this generation. What do you mean flock? You mean flock to the 360 when it was the only next gen HD unit on shelves in stores? If thats what flock means then I've been reading the wrong dictionary
givemeshelter  +   269d ago
Don't kid yourself. The Xbox360 and PS3 sales difference overall is minimal at best and the Xbox360 took the lion share of the the biggest gaming market. North America.
It's that reason why I am concerned for the issues I brought forth above...
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   263d ago
Yeah, let's just pretend the Wii doesn't exist.
ape007  +   270d ago
you'll see the seriousness in sales for ps4 against xbox one
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sensor21  +   270d ago
One thing is certain online is solid long as your connection is as well.
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dmonee  +   270d ago
The points of this article are valid. However, whats the point of making exclusives for a console that can only sell new games, while abandoning a console that will allow resale of games? What if in the first year or two, the playstation 4 out sells the xbox one 10:1(which is rumoured based on preorders). So you sell 100,000 copies of a new game. Yipee! But because your timid about your game being resold on the PS4, you just jipped yourself out in a possible 500,000 to 1,000,000 copies of your game. Why? Because you shun the fact that gamers might resell your game? I would love to go into a development studio and find out how many of them have actually paid for music in the last ten years. With the tech at their fingertips, I would doubt any. That's a different argument. If your a soldier, you can't play an xbox on a military base? That sucks, considering that's what the 1,000,000's of troops overseas do on their downtime. Are you freaking kidding me? The only reason third party developers will
Make games exclusiy for the xbox1 is because their product will be mediocre, and this guarantees a doubling of their sales. But, this doesn't work if the xbox1 never quite gets off the ground. Great developers don't worry about this problem because their products are so good the majority of gamers will buy on day one. There is no way microsoft keeps this policy for the life of the xbox one, or it will fail. Unless, activation of a used game comes with a modest price. Lets say between $1-$5. Tops! Since the beginning of this debacle, it seems like a Microsoft pocket lining to me. Shady!
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illtownNJONE  +   270d ago
share ya game library with 10 people ......who needs trade in or resell honestly .....drm= more support from devs because theyre guaranteed non piracy and always online is a plus just think of mmo ps4 will have drm on 3rd party which will require an online connection.....its all bout to be a norn
firelogic  +   270d ago
It's not sharing with 10 people. It's sharing with up to 10 family members. They made a clear distinction between friends and family members which means it's probably IP based. Share with up to 10 family members that are on the same public IP or IP range.
CoLD FiRE  +   270d ago
They already said it's not IP based and not to mention the official statement states clearly that any one who has access to your shared library can play from anywhere "regional restrictions will apply.. I think".

Phill Spencer also confirmed that even if people weren't family they'll get "creative" and use this feature to their advantage.
strifeblade  +   269d ago
Your library can only be accessed by one person at a time. So it does not matter if you have 10 ppl, only one at a time can enter and play the library.

pros? you dont need the disc, access library digitally.

Sony allows your friends to borrow how ever many games they want at the same time. ie. lend few games to how ever many friends at the same time.

cons? need physical copy to be in the system
mydyingparadiselost  +   270d ago
The publisher CAN use DRM on the PS4 as well if they choose to do so which makes the point of this article kinda mute. If the pubs are just THAT worried about what happens to new games after they're sold either system is set to allow them to do something about it. I don't like it, I won't support it, but it's still true. This gen may be more about picking and choosing over publishers more than anything else.
Cmk0121  +   270d ago
NG4 needs to screen these articles before posting I counted at least 3 things inaccurate that potray x1 falsely. Firstly that you can't trade in games this is untrue. 2nd that friends can't borrow your games, you can add 10 friends to access your whole library of games and two can play concurrently offline ,one if online. Meaning no more worrying about scratched disc, friends losing your game, not returning etc. your library grows big time this way. One friend buys madden and two can play for price of one as long as not playing at same time. I could go on but people just wanna hate without doing research.
cleft5  +   270d ago
The Last of Us just made more money than the opening day of Man of Steel. That's a PS3 game that you can rent, sale used however you like, and the only drm is the online passes which hardly matter since most people just want to experience the sp for this game.

If anything, I think developers overestimate the importance of DRM. It's not about making the game hard to steal or hard to rent or sale, it's about creating an amazing game that people want to buy. This is what Miyamoto has said and I completely agree with him. It's funny because Nintendo seems so left field in their approach to gaming, but clearly they know how to make and sale a great game.
SilentGuard  +   270d ago
The flaw in this arguement is that although they are restricting used games which will benefit publishers, they are also allowing you to share your entire games library with ten people. Any money saved/earned is lost by all the game sharing. It goes without saying that if I can access ten of my friends game libraries and play their games I won't buy them myself. I forsee much less games being sold for the One and thats not taking into consideration that PS4 looks like its going to far outsell The Xbox. The game library sharing with ten people makes the DRM restrictions for used games pointless.
BlackTar187  +   270d ago
the 10 people isn't that awesome. I mean think about this.

Limited used game sales
30 day friend list before you can let people borrow a game.

and 10 friends sharing games. Which doesn't sound right? Which is out of place?
D-riders  +   270d ago
whao this makes no sense.
If i dont buy your game new how will i ever know if i like the series. then if i do buy the game new ill never buy your games again. sounds like the dev sloose with drm. its why th epc market hurt so bad.
NateCole  +   270d ago
This is stupid.

Lets get one thing straight. The power is with gamers/consumers and not 3rd party publishers.

I will make it simpler for you folks that don't understand.

Gamers/consumers will dictate with their wallets who will win this gen. Not 3rd party game publishers support.

Therefore the console holder that caters for the gamers/consumers is the one that gamers/consumers will support.

So far the gamers/consumers are flocking to the PS4 and that where 3rd part publishers will also head towards.

The 1st year of a console is extremely important. We have seen how hard it was from Sony to catch up with MS this gen.

This time around things are so much in favour for Sony.
Imalwaysright  +   270d ago
These "journalists" don't even know this industry's history. If they knew what happened in 1983 they wouldn't be saying that publishers control the industry.
ZBlacktt  +   270d ago
Sony just gained millions of former Xbox gamers. Then you have 3rd party dev's giving content to the PS4 like Destiny, AC BF, Watch_Dogs, GTA... That and Sony has a strong internal gaming division.
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jmc8888  +   270d ago
This is like a guy holding a gun to his OWN head and saying he'll pull the trigger if you don't give him what he wants.
lgn15  +   270d ago
Yes they did. They missed out on an opportunity to please game developers. No DRM policies may seem great to the average PS4 fanboy, but in the long run PS4 will suffer from less exclusives, ect. So in fact their decision to stay old fashioned instead of looking to the future will come back to bite them in the ass in the long run.
xboned  +   269d ago
xbot is xboned
mmj  +   270d ago
Developers aren't going to boycott a console which sells the most games and looking at things so far that will be PS4.

Put it this way, if you are a developer and sell 10 games on PS4 and 1 game on Xbone, are you going to choose not to release your games on PS4 in the future just because you're not making any money on second hand sales?
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