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Still no third party run?

I get it, there are people here that want to save the party. It's a noble thought. Maybe I'm a idiot, fine, i'll accept that, but tell me something. When is the ship sunk? How long are you going to hold on when they don't even care to hide that they are corrupt anymore? I'm no scholar, but how many revolutions were won fighting from within the system that had it's boot on your throat? I want to see paul run third party, I don't think he will. I'm not suggesting at this point voting for another party, because i don't see the point there either yet.

But let me say this, the founders of this country didn't try to reform Britain, they didn't try to save it from within. They declared independence, and they won.

it's not over yet.

as much as we are being hit over the head with all this crap...... it is not over. I am keeping my eye on what I can do. Today I walked a little town with a Republican candidate for House. He is the only candidate for any office locally that I can support in good conscience - and I will.

There is too much to do to wallow in the mud hole they built for us.

Many, many, many liberty minded individuals running for offices all over the country and at many levels. The RNC has provided a **lot of fertilizer** for the seeds that have been planted for the love of liberty.

This is not about one man, and has never been.

Chin up, head down, keep on keeping on.

Ron Paul will never run for high office..He is retiring

Effective the end of this congressional term...We had our chance and we blew it.. Not enough supporters and money to run a winning campaign and not enough interested in liberty..


emalvini: You are obviously a Romneyite.

Please go away.

Oh Yea...Sure..A Romulan..Ha! You Have To Be Joking.......RMFAO

I have known Ron Paul for more years than just about everyone here at the daily Paul. I knew of his voting record since 1981. I was sending money for his re election campaign from California to his congressional district in Texas for years. Can you imagine an out of stater sending money to a congressional candidate in those days?

I won his Gold Sweepstakes years ago when he was in his second year as the publisher of the "Ron Paul Report"

Do you know how long I have been sending Dr. Paul money and support? I would say long before you were born. I bet you are no more than 30 years old at best..

I'm afraid there is no law

I'm afraid there is no law breaking involved here. They can make all the rules they want. If the people disagree, they have choices.
1) join or start another party
2) stay with the GOP and take committee seats and change the GOP

It's time for the Paul campaign to reassess...

...and shift strategies. They tried playing footsie with the establishment, and the establishment just unsheathed an ax to hack their feet off. Time to stop playing footsie.

The Ron Paul delegates need to demonstrate on the floor their disgust with the lawlessness and thuggery of the criminal conspiracy otherwise known as the GOP.

Said demonstrations should be coordinated with:

1) Rand's surprise de-endorsement of Romney at the conclusion of his RNC speech, and

2) Ron's surprise announcement of a third party bid (perhaps a re-ordered Paul-Johnson ticket in the LP).

Or, they could lick Romney's boots one more time, roll over, and die (politically), along with the country. It's their choice.

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New decree from the RNC Rules Committee:


Wake-up for this important announcement. We have decided that there will no longer be any presidential primaries. The RNC Rules Committee will now appoint the nominee. All good republicans will like and totally accept our well considered future choices. The time wasting activities of both voting and caucusing will not be necessary any longer. We will incorporate all of your new ideas into our choice of the republican presidential nominee. You can go back to sleep now.

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Any lawyers on Daily Paul?

I've asked this before, and every time I ask it's due to a result of our gov't taking more steps to shut us out and control us. So with this new move from Romney, I will ask again...
It says in the Deceleration of Independence, WE THE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO OVERTURN GOV'T. How do we do this?
if i needed #'s to show in court, would you all come? I mean all of you.
I think that if they (Romney lawyers) can do what they just did and have been doing all thru this so called election, then it is time to stop complaining, stop just talking, we need action. BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
Are any of you lawyers?? We need help now. Romney just pulled this new power grab and no one stopped him, just imagine the power grabs that will happen when he is the president of the united states. What a presidency he is setting up for himself, he can do anything he wants because he doesnt' even have to worry about getting re-elected in the 2016 election. All he has to do is rig the primaries like he did so well this election and 2016 is his too. if this is so, that means we have no say in much of anything and now you have the people fearing the Gov't = TYRANNY. The Romney delegates are not standing up for the constitution either. This is scary now and we need to stop this. Can anyone out there help?

I'm not sure if this rule change breaks laws.

I'm not a lawyer but there is a huge difference between GOP rules and actual laws.
At any point the state and national GOP could do away with party preference primaries all together and just pick a candidate in a closed convention. NOT illegal.

If Romney wins, and your power grab scenario takes place or Romney decides he can suspend the constitution because of safety concerns or something, then we need lawyers and court.

If Romney wins, In 2016 HE WILL BE THE GOP NOMINEE.

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So then is there a way to

So then is there a way to change the way we vote in the primaries? because what I noticed and learned this election was that you can't prove cheating in the primaries, but at the delegate conventions, if they wanted to cheat it could only be done right in front of people's faces. And voices. They were able to stand and fight, in the primaries there is no standing and fighting because you can't prove they cheated. You have no idea what happened to your vote after it goes through the machine.
so can we the people change the way we vote?
For example, all must be out loud and in public. If people want to keep their vote private then there can be a # assigned instead. But all in open and out loud. for starters. Who gets to decide how we vote?

The rules for primaries changed too!

Now, the "beauty contests" will determine the delegation.
No more flooding state conventions.
Winner-take-all or proportional is determined by state party.

To change the election procedure, at least in primary states, petition your state legislature. Get laws passed to force fair not fixed voting.

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Right, they changed. That is

Right, they changed. That is what scares me, they have just found a way to perfect their cheating. No more hassles for them now because they already have the primaries down. Easy.
So the only thing we have left is to make certain that the voting is fair. So to me, the only way to do that is a vote out loud and in public. Your saying petition my state legislature, how do I do this?
This would start in just my state? because I of course am talking about all states. Does this have to be a state by state thing?

This beats paper ballots

Check it out. There's an updated version of this out there, but I don't know the title to look it up under, but for info's sake, this should suffice.



Screw that. I don't care what kind of foolproof method of computerized voting anyone can come up with it will not work. We need to go backwards not forwards with this. Paper ballots counted in front of the people at every polling station.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul

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I read this. It sounds good,

I read this. It sounds good, however there are some things I thought of right away. If I can think of them then the corrupt will also think of them and then some. For example, I can tell you that they won't be recorded the entire time. There will be breaks in the recordings and they'll never admit they stopped recording, and come up with some slanted justification of why the breaks are there. Also, they could just throw in extra chips. How does it stop people from putting in more than 1 chip and how does it stop people from faking a dead person and dropping a chip in for them?
Out loud and in the open counting is the only solid way. Each person is accountable once and if they have the wrong candidate attached to the wrong person, they will know right away. It's the most honest and less room for error way. And it does not take a lot of time to count them either. I've seen some of the largest delegate conventions count out loud and it was sometimes faster than the ones that counted by machine.
I would like to start something. I live in Illinois so I probably won't get far, but if it can catch on in other states, that alone might be worth it.


In some states the party runs the caucus. Good because taxpayer funds don't contribute to a corrupt party system.
I'm not sure if state governments have any role in these "elections" or not. I have never lived in a caucus state.

In most(maybe all) primary states, the state runs the show.
In these states laws can be changed to force paper ballot voting or your public "out loud" system.

There is an uproar brewing in RI at the moment in the democratic primary. Anthony Gemma hired private investigators to look into voter fraud. One of the accusations is of voter machine tampering and paying people to vote.
He actually has a former state AG working on the case as well.
I bet nothing comes of it.

I'm with you. Time to leave.

I'm with you. Time to leave.

Libertarian Party

People sometimes try to convince me that I'm wasting my time working within the system through the Libertarian Party because "we can't win."

Now that the GOP PTB have this authority, what do you bet they'll use it, and often? If you alienate all your delegates and members by leaving them out of the battle (because as we know too well, there are factions within the GOP battling for control), and imposing on them, what can they do when they are relegated to subjects instead of members? How do you get this genie back in the bottle?

I've always known that it was just a matter of time until one of the dominant parties self-destructed from within. If it isn't the GOP, Obama may get the blame for what's coming, and it'll be the Democrats. In the meantime, I'm happy to be providing alternative candidates, and keeping the fire of liberty burning through the LP, "the party of principle."

I'm thrilled at the headway the movement has made in the GOP, and hopeful there will be some justice out of all our hard work, and I admire those who can continue the battle from within it.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

The problem I see

is if there can only be 2 major parties, they have to be huge.
Too huge, big tent bullshit where nobody really agrees with each other.
The libertarian party will never get that huge.
I would rather see a bunch of smaller parties.
The GOP could be split into at least 2 or 3 real parties. The Democrat party could be split into 2 or 3 as well.

I'm thinking the REAL parties are like the caucuses we have in the house. The progressive caucus, the tea party caucus, the congressional black caucus. These are all parties in themselves.

Two large parties create

Two large parties create monopolies like we have today.


I believe that's what you meant.


#rncisajoke let's get this trending on Twitter.

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When did this happen?

I read an article yesterday that they where making a deal. did this happen after the deal or is the deal still on.

Leave the GOP? LOL

Hell no, why do what they want us to do. Stay and keep kicking them in the ass at their meetings. :)

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I'm not so sure

you'll be allowed in any meetings anymore.
AND you won't have a candidate to support in the GOP for a long time.

You can't foresee that, no matter how much you want to

believe you can.

I won't be allowed in the meetings? I don't think they'll know if I don't wear my "FU GOP" ballcap, do you?

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No but they can

credential the shit out of you.

I would wear that ballcap everywhere I go!

There is ALWAYS a way around something.

Everyone should calm down, think and be patient. I know it's hard, but to make rash, impulsive decisions.. well it's not going to help things.

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