
Thread beginning with comment 56764
Woah, what emotions we have...
by pecisk on Sun 6th Nov 2005 10:14 UTC
Member since:

First, I wrote very large comment, how GNOME is better, etc. etc.

(Disclaimer: I am GNOME user for four years, and love progress and iniciatives of Ximian and Novell)


But do I judge Novell? No, because they should do that. It was clearly painful choice - and they weren't ignorant about that. I even think that it wasn't easy choice in the eyes of Ximian team too - because in my opinion, they don't just be in war with KDE community. Actually, what I have seen that GNOME guys seems to want work more on common ground - desktop standards, D-BUS, HAL, etc. such things. However, KDE team looks for doing things their *own* way - and it is ok for that, but is is somehow childish. For example, KDE officially won't support gstreamer - there are some excelent KDE apps who does and will, but KDE just went to doing it in their own turf again. Why? Reading Gstreamer, everything is done to assure desktop envorement independence - gstreamer is NOT depend on ANY GNOME/GTK+ lib.

As from my point of view, I see that KDE guys was in the first place. They were best, they had most brainshare, they were "Unix desktop #1" - because most Linux desktop users where power users and hackers. However, times has changed and now Linux user base are consists more of common users, which, _in my opinion_, more preffer simplicity of GNOME. So, problem is there - is KDE are ready to change and finally accept GNOME (and drop the stupid and childish trolls, modded insightful or interesting, claiming that GNOME is error, stupid, Novell will die, etc.) as viable brother _or_ they will continue claim that they are wholy one?

In resume, I would like to say - I would like to see both desktops to stay and improve AND provide choice for many of new Linux users which will sure come. Let's not claim death of Novell, let's say - there should new coorporate desktop of KDE arise. Kubuntu could be good start for some company to create Kumbuntu Enterprise Desktop.

Let's go with peace, brothers - and improve things in our backyards.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Woah, what emotions we have...
by on Sun 6th Nov 2005 10:29 in reply to "Woah, what emotions we have..."
Member since:

You've got it all wrong. GNOME has since day one been about whining about qt's "evil" and "non-free" license, and the clique around it as been trying to backstab kde and it's users and backers in any form possible ever since. Read up, and you'll find out that they are little more than bullshitters and backstabbers with a project that's a total mess.

Reply Parent Score: 2

Member since:

> The clique around it as been trying to backstab kde and
> it's users and backers in any form possible ever since.
> Read up, and you'll find out that they are little more
> than bullshitters and backstabbers with a project
> that's a total mess.

You are fully correct here. In the past six years of my contributions towards GNOME I made the same experience with that stuff. As sad as it sounds not only KDE is affected here but also competitors (competition projects) amongst GNOME who get this to feel. Even if you as developer want to contribute to GNOME you are under permanent attack, you receive nothing else than huge diffamation, attacks, namecalling, slandering and so on. This drives people away from contributing to GNOME.




Reply Parent Score: 4

anda_skoa Member since:

For example, KDE officially won't support gstreamer

If you mean KDE4, there is no decision about a default backend for KDEMM yet.

If you mean KDE3 you might want to check the release date for KDE3.0 and Gstreamers first release

Reply Parent Score: 1