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[–]itorrey 147 points148 points ago

If only he had "Professional Quarterback like symptoms"

[–]schwab002 9 points10 points ago

What happened to Freeman? Didn't he have a couple of decent seasons in Tampa?

[–]beachbum78 55 points56 points ago

He was on the Vikes for 12 days, he was not ready to start. No time to learn the playbook or build chemistry with the wideouts. I doubt he even knew the protection (or lack thereof-thanks OLine!) Or all the checkdown routes. It was basically street football.

NFL qbs need to throw their players open. They need to know that in X coverage WR "Y" will cut his in-routh short and adjust their throw accordingly. No way he had that level of preparation for Monday. He still can be a NFL QB and he had some good years, yes, but he just was not ready for Monday.

[–]schwab002 9 points10 points ago

That makes sense, but what I meant was what happened to him in Tampa?

[–]beachbum78 28 points29 points ago

Oh that... fucktons of drama between him and Greg Schiano. It was seriously middle-school drama "Josh Freeman misses team meeting, cancer in locker room"... "sources now say Schiano told Freeman not to show up to team meeting"...

"Freeman, starting Qb, not selected as captain... rare move"... "sources say players believe Freeman should have been selected as captain but Schiano threw the vote"

Generally, Schiano didn't like the "old regime's" QB and wanted his QB (he drafted Glennon) but didn't have a good reason to start him. Seemed like Schiano was fucking with Freeman and it caused him to be a headcase on an already poorly ran offense (I hate the Bucs OC almost as much as the Vikes). Bottom line though is Schiano was never a fan of Freeman, Freeman performed poorly and that was a good excuse to cut him for Schiano. If the mind-games or bad OC caused it or if Freeman just regressed due to immaturity and lack of preparation is up for debate. I am admittedly a supporter of Freeman.

[–]Mordeking 2 points3 points ago

He had a really bright start his first starting season, then fell back to earth. The next season (last year), he did well for most of the season, but ended up throwing INTs like he was a 3rd grade math teacher in his last (4?) few games. He had a poor relationship with the new coach and sub 50% accuracy and got kicked out of Tampa.

[–]zansustim2013 Accuracy Challenge - Top 5 Average & Weeks 6 & 11 Top 10 1 point2 points ago

He finished the 2012 season with like 13 games of having a completion percentage under 55 percent, carried playing badly into this season and got cut.

[–]Sir_Lord_Baltimore 2 points3 points ago

He had 16 incompletions overthrowing WRs Monday night, the most by any QB in a single game in the past 8 years since they've been tracking that stat. Yes, he was unprepared, but he was simply inaccurate as well.

[–]beachbum78 4 points5 points ago

This is also true. He should not have been in the game Monday night and he cost Minnesota a winnable game.

Edit: I knew it was 16 but I was unaware that was the most in a single game. God damn. You learn something new every day.

[–]Sir_Lord_Baltimore 0 points1 point ago

Agreed. After halftime, I was sure they were going to switch to Ponder. They seemed to care more about throwing Freeman to the wolves and seeing how he performed than actually winning.

[–]beachbum78 2 points3 points ago

I think it's likely Spielman is strong among Fraizer to put Freeman on display. He wants to know if he should draft a qb or not and has given up on this year.

That or Fraizer hail-marying to try to keep his job

[–]scaredofplanes 0 points1 point ago

Don't forget batted balls. He improved on that last year, but for a guy his size, he has an incredibly difficult time getting the ball past linemen without it being batted down.

[–]WildcaRD7 0 points1 point ago

It looked like he was trying to throw to players rather than throw to spots. Really strange to start him that early but I guess that is just how desperate the Vikings are at QB.

[–]beachbum78 1 point2 points ago

That's exactly what I was seeing. Like he didn't know where they would be so he waited for them to cut before he threw. I was hoping the Vikes would roll with Ponder/Cassel till week 10ish and let him learn. But now that he has started, I think the Vikes need to roll with him. If he doesnt show you anything by seasons end, draft a QB. If he does, draft Anthony Barr of UCLA... Vikings D is terrible right now too.

[–]donnylong 2 points3 points ago

the guy threw for over 4,000 yards last year. People just love to hate, and act like the vikings didn't already have problems before josh. Give the guy a chance to see if he is losing it, or if schiano was the problem.

[–]itorrey -2 points-1 points ago

Guys.. IT WAS A JOKE. Sometimes jokes stretch the truth a little for comedic impact.

[–]beachbum78 2 points3 points ago

I think mostly everyone got that it was a joke... hell, I laughed. But the guy after you seemed to have a legitimate question people are trying to answer.

[–]itorrey 1 point2 points ago

Sorry. I was just responding to the person saying that people just love to hate which isn't the case here as it was just a joke no actual hate going on.

[–]GoodwillCheap 0 points1 point ago

As a Tampa fan... I don't fucking know. He had a great 2010, a shit 2011 and an okay 2012 which he ended by throwing 8 picks in 2 games. I've heard everything from the coaches to the front office, personal problems off the field, constant regime changes, playcalling, etc., all being the issue. Or that Freeman just isn't as good as everyone thought.

I had hoped we'd figure it out when he started for the Vikings. Honestly I see it as a little bit of everything; he was overrated but also had a lot of factors going against him during his time in Tampa. I still hope he's able to return to form.

[–]schwab002 0 points1 point ago

Yeah I remember him being so young and promising as the future QB of Tampa in 2010.

[–]Rswany -1 points0 points ago

What happened to Freeman?

People are having overreaction type symptoms

[–]schwab002 1 point2 points ago

Benching him and cutting him was an "overreaction type symptom"?

[–]Rswany 0 points1 point ago

I mean people's reaction to his poor performance on Monday.

[–]schwab002 0 points1 point ago

Yeah I was asking about about what happened to him in Tampa.

[–]saint_mantooth 1 point2 points ago

If you are in a 60 team league, pick Ponder up immediately!

[–]PracticingFantasyBro 64 points65 points ago

Hail Ponder, saviour of Peterson.

[–]color_thine_fateFantasyBro 28 points29 points ago

Hail AD, you mean.

"Concussion-like symptoms" two days after the game? With all the time and resources they spend on catching that when it happens? It's obvious that AD sneaked up behind Freeman at some point last night/this morning and whopped him on the head with a frying pan.

[–]howardmoon68 3 points4 points ago

I wonder if one of his throws from Monday night finally came back to earth and bopped him on the head.

[–]color_thine_fateFantasyBro 2 points3 points ago

You mean came back from earth? Since all his passes hit the ground.

[–]howardmoon68 2 points3 points ago

I meant one of his 16 overthrown incompletions.

[–]dogeking 1 point2 points ago

Oh my god. dying. also, we need some AD check downs we were promised a few weeks back.. so I can claw my way out of 1-6.

[–]Decker87 1 point2 points ago

Who promised that? Freeman has never been a good short thrower, ever, even in that great 2010 year.

[–]dogeking 0 points1 point ago

couldn't find the old articles, and a few weeks back would predate freeman's signing. anywho,

[–]SamwiseIAm 39 points40 points ago

What does this mean for Turf's value ROS??

[–]CantHearYou 10 points11 points ago

Sell now before league mates find out.

[–]darkjedidave 0 points1 point ago

Top 3 WR behind Bleachers and Benches

[–]Cavemansol 4 points5 points ago

Alright, I'm done lookin around trying to figure out who turf is...can someone tell me so I can stop feeling out of the loop...

[–]yoraylee 9 points10 points ago

turf = the ground, because Josh Freeman throws a lot of incompletions.

[–]Cavemansol 7 points8 points ago

I figured that was the joke...thanks, I'm as dumb as I thought

[–]Kenster362 5 points6 points ago

Somebody should change the text on that to "I'm 0-7?"

[–]yoraylee 0 points1 point ago

No worries. Take solace in this... no matter how dumb you are, there's always someone dumber!

[–]itorrey 1 point2 points ago

So you have met my family!

[–]ltjboy03 1 point2 points ago

What's ROS?

[–]i_w8_4_no1 2 points3 points ago

rest of season

[–]SamwiseIAm 0 points1 point ago

Rest of season

[–]adelfish 0 points1 point ago

God I hate being a Vikings fan

[–]ultimaterobot 0 points1 point ago

How does this deflate the value of Turf? I just traded for Turf and want to anticipate what this means to my score line.

[–]Metasophocles 38 points39 points ago

I feel like this is potentially great news for Peterson.

[–]ChiBullsKmKFantasyBro 8 points9 points ago

no good news until Peterson gets traded or Favre comes out of retirement. You still start your STUD and watch the Vikings lose more games.

[–]ohnowait2013 Accuracy Challenge - Top 20 Cumulative 1 point2 points ago

Pretty sure... nope absolutely sure he won the MVP and nearly set the rushing record with the same quarterback behind center last year. Also, the Vikings won 10 games, pretty much putting the team on his back doe. Not to say he will do that again, but he's the best runner on the league if we can get a consistent passer (even Ponder) throwing the ball.

[–]ChiBullsKmKFantasyBro -1 points0 points ago

hey earth to Minnesota. Ponder is NOT a consistent passer. He is arguable worse and at best equally as bad as Freeman and Cassell.

[–]ohnowait2013 Accuracy Challenge - Top 20 Cumulative 4 points5 points ago

He knows the playbook so he's automatically better than Freeman. We saw what that guy can do with this offense. Ponder was the QB last year and while he's not the most consistent guy, he can at least convert a third down and keep a drive alive. Again, despite Ponder's inefficiency, Peterson can still get it done with him behind center.

[–]ChiBullsKmKFantasyBro 1 point2 points ago

Peterson DESERVES a better qb.


I will wholeheartedly agree with you on that point.

[–]ChiBullsKmKFantasyBro 1 point2 points ago

You inspired me to Re watch MNF. So at 13:30 in the 3rd quarter in the red zone. Freeman throws a pick to Rolle. Pass intended for Rudolph. But honestly if you saw the play. Some pretty bad pass blocking on the PA. Jennings wasn't out of his break yet and Freeman already had a dude wrapped around his leg. I do think it be smarter to take the sack. I do like his future. Concussion issue is sad. Interesting game not. Possession after. Eli threw a guaranteed pick six hit sherels in the face. The same guy who returned the punt. Then right after he returned the punt and dove forward and fumbled on his own at his own 13 yard line. Just to think if he didn't f*ck two plays in a row. Hillis might still be irrelevant.

After Patterson's (not Peterson) great kick return a td dropped by Simpson but very nice defense by T. McBride. But not bad throw. Could have been higher and outside.

Special teams fumble again @12:03. Not helping Freeman at all.

Rest of game. I'd say conditioning, and horrible horrible play calling. Peterson should have flicked off his OC. Blair Walsh injury also affect the play calling. They clearly didn't trust Walsh after that 50 yarder that was 5 feet short. It did affect the play calling. I know weird to say but these drops on 3 rd in Walsh's normal range are surprising play calls. For team with like 6 sacks on the season they looked terrific versus Minnesota's offensive line.I mean wow. Freeman suffered a concussion. I watch the nfl.gamerewind and he was on his back a lot. I mean A LOT.

Another fantasy side note. Hillis, Randle, and Cox all fumbled. Only randle had a fumble lost. How cool is "John Conner's" name?

TL:DR - I really don't think Freeman played horribly for the awful situation he has been though due to the unfortunate situation known as the, "Tampa Bay Buccaneers." Peterson still DESERVES a better quarterback! And in 2 weeks 23 carries? He had 13 this week. Freeman didn't start last week.

[–]ohnowait2013 Accuracy Challenge - Top 20 Cumulative 2 points3 points ago

We have problems at QB. We have problems on the O-Line, despite having the same personnel that played well enough last year. We have problems on the defensive line, our linebackers are okay, but our secondary is trash without Harrison Smith. And Sherels... Made a huge play for 7, but dropped what was likely 7 points and on the next play makes a boneheaded error to cost us 7 more. I have Sherels at -7 for the game. Patterson is a bright spot, but other than kick returns we can't get him involved on offense (thanks Bill Musgrave). Rhodes got burned by Hakeem Nicks (who has been disappointing this season for sure) to force a PI which led to a Giants TD. There are a litany of problems and holes on our team. Peterson is not one of them, but without support from a steady passing game and an O-Line, he can't do much. This season is starting to look like a calamitous downfall for the Vikings, and I couldn't be more disappointed in the players who aren't stepping up. Lots of guys are playing hard, but mistakes and turnovers are killing us.

P.S. You're a brave man for watching that game again. I probably couldn't do the same unless I was paid to do so.

[–]ChiBullsKmKFantasyBro 0 points1 point ago

I paid for nfl.gamerewind and Da bears are on bye. I'm dying for some reason to be excited this wk. Don't lose hope. You almost beat my bears.

[–]go_lobos 6 points7 points ago

Oh it is.

[–]LadySportsFan 0 points1 point ago

Good god, I hope so!

[–]lakehawk 26 points27 points ago

Are they sure that's not just how he always is?

[–]shksprtx 25 points26 points ago

Paging Tim Tebow. Paging Tim Tebow.

[–]CystyFibr0 0 points1 point ago

Seriously though, as a Vikes fan I would be delighted if they at least gave him a look.

[–]Dirtybrd2013 Week 4 AC Top 10 57 points58 points ago

You may be the first person ever with this thought.

[–]CystyFibr0 -4 points-3 points ago

He wins games, does it matter how? From a fantasy perspective, yeah he's pretty bad. If he wins games, I don't understand what the hate is about.

[–]stinkmeaner922013 Week 3 AC Top 10 12 points13 points ago

His defense won him games.

Also, he's actually better in fantasy than real life (due to his running).

[–]your_a_jerk 4 points5 points ago

Well he didn't lose games.

[–]ltjboy03 2 points3 points ago

Oh no he lost them. His D was just good enough to keep the scoreboard in their favor.

One 80 yd playoff winning TD pass does not make you good.

[–]CystyFibr0 2 points3 points ago

Why were they 1-4 before him then? Shouldn't the defense have won Kyle Orton games too? The defense didn't change...the Quarterback did.

[–]stinkmeaner922013 Week 3 AC Top 10 1 point2 points ago

Idk man just look at the box scores? And idk, maybe you would think they played better during the latter half of the year? Players don't have the exact same performance every game of the season.

FACT is that the defense allowed less points as the season went on.

[–]CystyFibr0 -5 points-4 points ago

I get the argument, but I don't get the argument. If that makes any sense at all. Which it probably doesn't.

[–]stinkmeaner922013 Week 3 AC Top 10 4 points5 points ago

I feel you. Actually I don't. You literally have no argument to support Tebow. I can bring up facts about the defense's points allowed.

[–]CystyFibr0 -2 points-1 points ago

Go ahead, they were pretty below average. I had to check haha. All I'm saying is that I would want Tebow as my quarterback. He doesn't do it with the stats, but he still finds a way to win.

[–]toneboat 0 points1 point ago

I picked him up during the Great Tebowmania of 2011... I think he averaged 18 points/game

[–]ltjboy03 1 point2 points ago


[–]CystyFibr0 0 points1 point ago

So when the Gators won 2 national titles, he won zero games? None of them? Weird

[–]ltjboy03 1 point2 points ago

Wow. I can't believe you just compared NCAA ball to the NFL.

Truly an amazing feat.

[–]CystyFibr0 0 points1 point ago

Was I comparing? You stated a fact, I countered it. If you want to talk about the NFL, Tebow led the 1-4 Broncos to the playoffs and to a win against the Steelers, a game where they were never supposed to compete. But...he never actually won a game you say? Very intriguing.

[–]ltjboy03 -2 points-1 points ago

Remember when reddit had actual debate and conversation? Not this garbage you're spewing.

[–]CystyFibr0 5 points6 points ago

You literally have not had any counters to the argument, so who are you to say that? Fine you win though, I'm wrong. I suck.

[–]RaunchyDiscoMan -1 points0 points ago

I didn't know Skip Bayless was on reddit.....

[–]CystyFibr0 1 point2 points ago

Good one

[–]RogueInteger 4 points5 points ago

I wanted Tebow to hang with the Pats (Pats fan). He wasn't that bad, people just kept screaming LOLTebow sucks.

[–]ISwearThisIsOriginal2013 Week 13 AC Top 10 7 points8 points ago

But....but he does suck.

[–]RogueInteger 7 points8 points ago

He hung out behind the 3rd stringer offensive line and WRs and won out. He didn't look bad in that game.

He's just Tebow. People say he sucks because the circlejerk, but people also forget he won the Heiman. Not for sucking.

[–]CystyFibr0 7 points8 points ago

Exactly, and 2 national titles. And brought the Broncos from a 1-4 start to the playoffs. Not only to the playoffs, but to an upset playoff win against the Steelers. I don't get the hate either.

[–]bkay28 4 points5 points ago

Yea all those NFL GMs are all just trolling when they completely pass on Tebow.

[–]frodofish 1 point2 points ago

people also forget he won the Heiman. Not for sucking.

Common mistake, he actually won the hymen specifically for his sucking skills.

[–]bleeptothebloop 0 points1 point ago

Due to his beliefs I'm not sure that he's won a hymen yet, though he's probably had an impure thought about one once or twice.

[–]RogueInteger 1 point2 points ago

I won't edit it to preserve the humorous typo.

[–]ParanoidPotato 2 points3 points ago

As a Minnesotan, I too would be happy if the Vikings gave him a look/shot. We can literally only go up from where we are now.

Maybe next season...

[–]CystyFibr0 3 points4 points ago

At least we have the Lynx!...

[–]ParanoidPotato 1 point2 points ago

Hell yeah- I love the Lynx!

And by love I mean- I appreciate them very much but I don't care for basketball much. I like them significantly more than I like any NBA team, that's for sure...

[–]rafer11 3 points4 points ago

I'd like to see Tebow go somewhere like Jax, but not to the Vikings. He would ruin the stat forecast that Peterson is set to put up. They would stack the box every single time and challenge Tebow to throw. AP would become worse than Ray Rice this year in that case. At least with Ponder, he keeps the secondary semi honest. Tebow would do no such thing.

[–]bkay28 1 point2 points ago

Teams tend to not stack the box against AP because if he breaks through then it's off to the races.

[–]HyperionPrime 2 points3 points ago

Since opponents would have to watch for QB runs pretty frequently, it would actually improve AP's ability to get out and run

[–]schwab002 1 point2 points ago

You might as well sign Vince Young and trade for Mark Sanchez while you're at it.

[–]Rswany -1 points0 points ago

Fucking why?

[–]CystyFibr0 1 point2 points ago

Scroll down

[–]CantHearYou 14 points15 points ago

As a Giants fan, I'm starting to get the feeling that city of NY just paid the Vikings to sign and play Freeman to end the misery that is the 2013 season of the New York Giants.

[–]bleeptothebloop 2 points3 points ago

As not a Giants fan, I don't think anyone could have possibly seen this coming. I feel your pain and also want to get in touch with whomever made this happen so I can figure out what their next move is.

[–]Celehatin 6 points7 points ago

Since he didn't get hit in the game, we can only assume the concussion like symptoms came from when Adrian Peterson "just wanted to talk" after the game.

[–]porwegiannussy 4 points5 points ago

In all seriousness, adderall does cause short-term memory loss.

Source: lost my keys many times on adderall

[–]Rswany 1 point2 points ago

Since he didn't get hit in the game,

Which game?

In the Giants game he was on his back after each pass play.

[–]FatLever 9 points10 points ago

Damn it! I just picked up Turf on waivers this morning with all my FAAB money.

[–]Rswany 1 point2 points ago

Ponder's accuracy sucks too

[–]Downvote_All_Cats -1 points0 points ago

Why?! There are so many better options at QB.

[–]FrozenBananaMan 7 points8 points ago

Eh he's had those for years. Haven't you ever looked into his eyes?

[–]rgaminghere 0 points1 point ago

well there goes their season.

[–]ChocoboThunder 9 points10 points ago

John Skelton is still available maybe the Vikings still have time to make more bad decisions!

[–]stctippr 6 points7 points ago

Thank you Jesus

-Purple Jesus

[–]AwSnapz1 0 points1 point ago

Yeah who cares

[–]monieshot 4 points5 points ago

This sounds fishy

[–]codesloth 1 point2 points ago

This sounds like someone was trying to save face and bench Freeman.

or... This sounds like someone high up on the totem pole gets to cover their shitty decision: Made the call to start a QB after he has had 12 days with your team.... "Oh, the only reason Freeman did so bad is because he had a concussion. Tell the media that!"

[–]fluffyjdawg 7 points8 points ago

Can they just sign someone who can throw the damn ball to Jennings?

[–]dperls 2 points3 points ago

just moved jennings+stacy for cruz. so happy to be done with that.

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    [–]dperls 1 point2 points ago

    It's crazy, it's a very competitve league and the guy has been decimated by RB injuries and is 3-4. Guess he's taking a shot.

    [–]ckeeper 4 points5 points ago

    How much of a hit is this to Green Bay D/ST's value this week?

    [–]mikeypipes 9 points10 points ago

    Id say it drops them significantly. Ponder at least knows the playbook.

    [–]ITranscendRaceHombre 9 points10 points ago

    Agreed. Plus he won't be sailing the ball 30 yards down the field 55 times while AP is wide open in the flat.

    [–]Golden_Kumquat 5 points6 points ago

    Way to exaggerate there.

    Freeman only threw the ball 53 times.

    [–]cool_tool 0 points1 point ago

    Even when ponder was playing earlier in the season, he was throwing picks every game.

    [–]ITranscendRaceHombre 4 points5 points ago

    I hear you, man. I don't think anyone is saying Ponder is going to be the second coming of Dan Marino (to quote Steven A. Smith re: Foles). Obviously he was stinking it up since they acquired Freeman mid season and benched him. That said, Freeman's performance on Monday night was probably one of the worst offensive displays in league history. Sure, he might not have known the playbook very well and all that, but he straight up missed dudes who were wide open. Ponder has to be better than whatever preseason bullshit we saw last Monday.

    [–]cool_tool 0 points1 point ago

    Oh definitely man, can't get much worse than that performance. I even talked about it with my friend, if it wasn't for Fantasy no one would be watching that one.

    [–]vinsanity406 0 points1 point ago

    GB or Philly? I've been prowlin the Waiver Wire and was so happy to see GB get dropped.

    [–]aksoileau2013 Week 11 AC Top 10 0 points1 point ago

    I'm starting the Packers D, but it looks like we might be switching to the Saints D!

    [–]ancienthunter 0 points1 point ago

    What did he fall out of bed?

    [–]gridiron_nick 0 points1 point ago

    "Freeman has a concussion" .... Or he took a Frazier bat to the head in his sleep?

    [–]NotForrestGump 3 points4 points ago

    Nooooo my Green Bay defense pick up was looking so good :(

    [–]moogmagician 4 points5 points ago

    Relax. They're still the Vikings.


    I mean it could still be good, it just comes with more risk now. Maybe switch to the Saints?

    [–]NotForrestGump 2 points3 points ago

    My opponent picked them up...

    [–]nattyice2[🍰] 0 points1 point ago

    Carolina available?

    [–]jgweiss 0 points1 point ago

    i dropped the saints to pick up GB, may have to do the switch back..

    [–]TheDirtDogKing 3 points4 points ago

    A Club manager in Vegas told my friend he's never seen someone do as much blow as Josh Freeman.

    [–]epot78 3 points4 points ago

    Did they let Jared Allen ignore the red jersey?

    [–]3riversfantasy 0 points1 point ago

    As the hold of Green Bay's defense I welcome Ponder onto the field!

    [–]rcross86 3 points4 points ago

    I wish someone on that coaching staff would have been like "Hey Coach I don't think it's a great idea starting an already struggling quarterback who is still learning the playbook." I lost last week because the greatest RB in the league only got like 13 carries and for some inexplicable reason Freeman was allowed to sling around all night like he was Brett Farve.

    [–]TNT21 1 point2 points ago

    It wasnt Fraziers true desicion. He was facing extreme pressure from the entire world. Every member of the media was like "yea they should start Freeman if they spent the money." Every person who follows vikings on Facebook and twitter was blowing up every post with "start Freeman." If he started cassel and they lost he would have gotten ripped a new one as well.

    [–]rcross86 2 points3 points ago

    Still have some backbone and know what's best for your team. Starting someone unfamiliar with the playbook is ill advised at best.

    [–]kyle_maddisson -1 points0 points ago

    Right, cuz Ponder would have done any better. Freeman provided one of the most laughable starts that I have ever seen in my life, however, at least he threw the ball down the field; something Ponder is to afraid to do. I don't see what only having 12 days with a team has to do with the fact that he couldn't put the ball within 15 yards of a receiver. "I was a hair off", he says. Truly pathetic. The Vikes need to cut all of em and go with a wildcat formation or something because none of them deserve a starting job. Cut all of our DBs too while you're at it. OH! And then, let's go out and draft a really good WR who's fast as hell, and then not have him out on the field. The only difference between the the Vikings and a bunch of first graders out there is that at least you expect that from the kids and it's funny. We don't need no stinking QB. We don't have a head coach, OC, DC, or ST coach. Everything about the Vikings is a joke and has been for a long time. As bad and disappointing as they are, I am glad we have the Vikes. It would really suck if they moved away, especially since we are taxed out our ass for that new stadium. Why couldn't I have been born in a different state?

    [–]codesloth 0 points1 point ago

    If someone would have told Ponder, "Hey... can you just throw it over everyone's head or out of bounds?" he could have obliged.

    But he's afraid he'll throw interceptions down field because of his Madden THP and THA.

    [–]Statue_left 1 point2 points ago

    You think Belichick cares about what people on fucking facebook think?

    Les is a bad coach. /discussion

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    [–]machineo 0 points1 point ago

    Were the Giants really stacking the box to the point where the Vikings were forced to throw 50 times? Wouldn't teams have been doing this to the Vikings all year long no matter who the QB was?

    [–]herrkaizer87 0 points1 point ago

    I feel bad that I'm happy a player is hurt, but this news was better than any player acquisition this week. AP is freed from the Freeman Zone! Look what happened to Vincent Jackson when he got freed from the Freeman Zone this year...

    [–]Widespread123 1 point2 points ago

    What does this do to the value of Kyle Rudolph this week?

    [–]moogmagician 0 points1 point ago

    Ponder a different option.

    [–]mcmunchie 0 points1 point ago

    I'm looking for a new replacement if Graham is out. I felt like Freeman was targeting Rudolph a bunch on Monday. Ponder doesn't do that so much.

    [–]Roberto_Baggio 0 points1 point ago

    The coaching staff was able to figure out he had concussion like symptoms when he couldn't count up to the number of incompletions he threw vs the Giants.

    [–]sicapat 0 points1 point ago

    it is too bad because he had such a great debut with Minnesotta

    [–]RobRobRobRobRobRob 1 point2 points ago

    Throwing the ball 50 times isn't going to help with the QB situation either. 13 fucking carries is a joke Frazier.

    [–]PK_FIRE_ 1 point2 points ago

    They stacked the box all night with Freeman at QB.

    [–]RobRobRobRobRobRob -1 points0 points ago

    Lol I know I'm just an angry AP owner.

    [–]codesloth 1 point2 points ago

    Maybe they just wanted to watch his throw mechanics.

    [–]RobRobRobRobRobRob 1 point2 points ago

    I want to see AP run mechanics though lol

    [–]BlairWalshProject 0 points1 point ago

    Should I drop the Packers D/ST and grab the Raiders then?

    [–]FireWWM 0 points1 point ago

    Is it me or is it really strange that poor performing second string QBs are getting conclusions right after a poor performance?

    Conspiracy theory or franchise politics?

    [–]diatonix 1 point2 points ago

    Sureeeeee just like how Vick is miraculously ok

    [–]beachbum78 1 point2 points ago

    Actually I don't think the Vikings want to start Ponder. They need to know if Freeman can be the answer or if they need to rebuild and draft a QB in the draft. They won't know that if Freeman is sitting on the bench. This season is a waste, why not figure out your future

    [–]diatonix 1 point2 points ago

    yeah youre probably right its just a funny coincidence. i think with his running ability and arm strength he can develop but that remains to be seen. all he has to do is be good enough to take advantage of the 8 man boxes AP gets.

    [–]beachbum78 0 points1 point ago

    Yeah. I mean he had a terrible situation on Monday, but he also didn't perform well to begin with. I would like that 4000 yard Freeman back please!

    [–]diatonix 1 point2 points ago

    i mean, there were TONS of open passes that he just missed, he had 1v1 coverage all night. he could still turn into a RB3/Kaep type if he can get in a good fit/system

    [–]thecapitalc 1 point2 points ago

    Dammit I play AP this week!

    [–]stbennett 1 point2 points ago

    You couldn't make that up.

    [–]hesmir2013 Week 9 AC Top 10 1 point2 points ago

    Poor Vikings and fans.

    [–]Sprintzer 8 points9 points ago

    I'd actually rather have ponder starting.

    [–]hesmir2013 Week 9 AC Top 10 2 points3 points ago

    Agreed. I just meant this entire season.

    [–]Statue_left 1 point2 points ago

    This is nothing. At least we have AP and Gerald Allen. What does Jax have?

    [–]jgweiss 2 points3 points ago

    It's time to trade Jared to a team that is contending, and get way too much back for him. He deserves another shot at the Super Bowl.

    [–]Statue_left 2 points3 points ago

    I'd say KC, but he's mentioned a few times he has serious problems with management.

    NE would fleece us, Denver firsts are worth the same as Jax seconds.

    Maybe cinci? Already a decent D that needs an outside passrush/leader? Good LB core, great DT, and they've already secured basically the fourth seed.

    Make it happen Rick.

    [–]jgweiss 2 points3 points ago

    he has serious problems with management.

    Remember, for a while there the Chiefs had the worst management in the league, and they have turned over a few times since 2007...


    Ya but at least they're used to the suck at this point.

    [–]JonRivers 0 points1 point ago

    Serious question. In standard scoring, is it worth starting Ponder @ GB over Edelman vs MIA or Shorts vs SF? We have a flex position that allows QBs, but I'm wondering if Ponder is so bad I shouldn't even put him there.

    [–]Statue_left 0 points1 point ago

    Ponders numbers (when not being blown out) against the pack have actually been really good, he set the franchise record for rookie passing yards against them in his first start (I believe it was Tarks record he broke).

    You'll either get a huge game or zero.

    [–]Shastic 0 points1 point ago

    As much as I hope they don't put Freeman in this weekend... this doesn't say anything about whether Freeman will play or not. Simply that today he has these 'symptoms' and isn't up to practicing.

    But we can still hope...

    [–]bo64343 0 points1 point ago

    Rolling with him as my QB2 this week :-/. It was him or Geno and Geno is playing Cinci and only shows up every other game.

    [–]AmericanAristotle 0 points1 point ago

    Freeman kept on misthrowing his receivers and making poor decisions during practice. The Vikings don't realize its normal Freeman and so call it "concussion-like symptoms"

    [–]Statue_left 0 points1 point ago

    Watching Frazier run around like a headless chicken trying to save his job is hysterical. The longer he stays in minny the worse the team is

    [–]Frickin_Laser_Beams 0 points1 point ago

    Any movement on the Vegas line?

    [–]wootootee 0 points1 point ago

    So this is good for Greg Jennings, right? Or should I be rooting for Matt Cassel? Or should I just drop Jennings for Sidney Rice like I should've 3 weeks ago?

    [–]ChiBullsKmKFantasyBro 2 points3 points ago

    Lol trade Jennings. So you don't have this f*ck1ng headache.

    [–]stylone 1 point2 points ago

    I dropped him for Blackmon long time ago. Best decision I made this season.

    [–]wootootee 0 points1 point ago

    I would, if there were any takers.

    [–]TweetPoster 0 points1 point ago


    2013-10-23 16:31:02 UTC

    Freeman has concussion-like symptoms. Ponder will work with No. 1 unit in practice.

    [Mistake?] [Suggestion] [FAQ] [Code] [Issues]

    [–]Celehatin -1 points0 points ago

    This is actually pretty significant. Green Bay Packers DEF is a bad play now. Adrian Petersons value goes up, but its hard to be sure by how much.

    [–]stinkmeaner922013 Week 3 AC Top 10 -1 points0 points ago

    Thank god

    If there is one thing ponder is great at, it's giving the ball to AD

    [–]cpt_chunkypuffs -1 points0 points ago

    This is actually good news, especially for AD fans. Yeah Ponder isn't great, but at least there's some type of offensive potential with him.

    [–]dwor5291 -1 points0 points ago

    As someone in need of a QB to replace Rivers on bye, is ponder worth a look? I have Tannehill now.

    [–]kuhndog5 -1 points0 points ago