The driver and the passenger

How a skewed Franco-German partnership upsets the euro

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The next wars will be economical...the Chinese are on our side, they want Europe to succeed, not the US...better go with the flow and adapt to the new rules.
Your war-talk is so yesteryear, no wonder the US is a hasbeen.


>>"We fought you and beat you twice. Next time for good."<<

It took the whole world...

You wouldn't find your bootlaces all by your never did. Even cave people in some vietnamese jungle with rubber sandals kicked your nuts.

You fool nobody. If Europeans know something about it's the art of war! You don't! ROFL

Tomas Marny


Of course they threaten villagers – but it is quite easy if US soldiers act recklessly in searching the extremists, don’t you think?

But, please, tell me YOUR winning strategy? Kill everyone in Afghanistan and Pakistan to be sure no new Talib could be recruited?!

In fact, I didn’t like much the Libyan operation but at least I’m thankful that it was planned by Europeans and they used smarter tactics of the divide-et-impera policy (supporting rebel troops) rather than direct brutal intervention because otherwise yet another country would be filled by hatred against West and the war would have still been raging there. This way the rebels feel that they were fighting for themselves and consider West as supporters rather than conquerors.

Like I was saying...

There (Europe) go I but for the grace of god...

Even though I'm a Christian no more. But if you're going to join a church, Southern Baptists ain't bad - the food is pretty good.



Fresh stupidity.

AQ is blowing up Spanish trains. US intelligence keeps a lid on it. Russian planes and subs regularly penetrate Polish space. Turkey and Greece are at sword points. If a nuclear bomb goes off somewhere, you get some of the grief.

Want more? Balkans could go off again. Iran could absorb Iraq and threaten Israel. Does Europe worry about the Middle East. Evidently not. Fresh evidence of your geopolitical ignorance. When wars start refugees will come calling. This can destabilize all but the strongest societies. You are on the doorstep of half a dozen boiling cauldrons.

Your illusion of invincibility, does it come from the adept way that Europe handled the last Balkan war, or the way it handled Libya or the adroit way it manages to keep the Middle East from exploding?

Or is it because the last half century of Pax Americanus has given you europeons the illusion that you are invulnerable and the US protection is your birthright? You are ignornant scum and you will soon enough get a chance to remember what you really are. Warmongering hypocritical cannibals.


>>"You decline to think rationally because to do so shows you for what you and your nation are, a bunch of pathologically degenerate humans, unfit for contact with vital races. Get out of the way!"<<

I reported that.
If that doesn't count as racist hate speech then I don't know...

Get out of here, you are unfit for a serious discussion. You are insane (or drunk)...or both!


>>"Who would attack a Europe that had US forces at its disposal? "<<

Who would attack Europe?

Can you answer me that? And if someone had plans...who can say for sure you wouldn't pull a
Munich or a Yalta on us?

For the rest of your glad I don't form my image about USians from some of their posters on a talkboard!

Have a nice day

Tomas Marny


You are really funny. I hope that you don’t represent mainstream line of thinking among the US public. It would be very sad.

I tried to explain you that you must use your head first, not only blind war-monger spirit! The foreign military missions should not be contests among members who spends more money on it and who sacrifices more lives.

It is primarily about finding most efficient ways to achieve the goal – and THE GOAL is to form enough loyal Afghans who would be able to pacify extremists like Talibs or Al-Kaida members themselves without permanent NATO presence. Unfortunately, US does everything to sabotage the Czech effort in this sense rather than help it. It is very sad, indeed.



How often a member of NATO was attacked? Who would attack a Europe that had US forces at its disposal? You betray a fundamental misunderstanding about military power. When properly used it DISCOURAGES attack! How complicated and yet how simple!

But we were attacked? Would Germany send troops to Afghanistan if it weren't manifestly obligated by its NATO agreements? Of Course Not!!!

And what about those troops. Beer guzzling layabout nine-to-fivers.

Call'em home.Stop the charade. Or start sending warriors and kill people. That's why we're there, stupid! We were attacked from there. Were we supposed to find a string leading from NY to AFghan? Well, we did! And still you spout your inanity. Surprise, surprise.


Marly: 'Unfortunately, the Afghan mission is total disaster of American leadership and waste of lives of both your own soldiers, and also lives of soldiers of your European allies'

Two years ago they said the same thing about Iraq. But peace seems obtainable there.

You are saying the same sort of garbage about Afghanistan. Well, where is your effort. Military, material, diplomatic, economic, do you pray for our success? I say again, construction teams and trainers are fine, but we need to hunt down the dogs that kill out troops, we need to let Iran see a solid front.

Instead, we have only your insistent whines of irrational defeatist gobbledegook.

You are a defeated nation. Your race is submerged, your churches and palaces are museums.

You cannot even give us one good 'hurrah', that wouldn't be wise, would it, and you are so wise, so peace-loving. You sit in the intersection of roads with your hands tightly pressed to your eyes and think no one sees you. But the American soldier and his allies (yes, we have good true allies, I will not slight them by naming some and omitting others, we know who they are) sees you for what you are, and as they toil and suffer and bleed, for a cause, a true purpose, a right and good reason, they, and every ration human being despise your weak backstabbing defeated prostrate unworthy to mention mass of humanity that used to be a nation.

Europe, the dark continent.


>>"The US was attacked from Afghanistan."<<

No, it wasn't.

The US was attacked by a multinational terror-organization.
It's leader was a Saudi national. Why didn't you attack Saudi-Arabia. But that dictatorship
is still a dear friend of the US. Why is that?

Germany has the third largest contingent of Soldiers in Afghanistan, after the US and UK.
If you don't want or need us there then tell us and we will leave. Not to mention how that will console the widows of our dead soldiers.

About war mongering...the NATO was founded as a defence alliance. Tell me how often the US did go to war because a member country was attacked...and not for it's own reasons. I'm waiting.


Berlin: 'You bark up the wrong tree here. Today you have your most steadfast sympathiser between the eastern Europeans, where the memory of the soviet rule still lives on.'

Sympathy??? The world isn't a romantic comedy, it is a grim field of contention. SYMPATHY???? Give the US an ally that is ready to meet any foe. YES, CHINA TOO!!!

Oh, I forgot, that's not in Europe. We're just a small peace-loving nation. Right. Pull the other one. You are laughing up your sleeve at us, spouting fair-sounding words, and all the time calculating how to bed Russia, screw the Americans and rob everybody at the table. No one is fooled by nice words. Show me deeds.

The US is supporting a defense structure around the world. Spending itself into oblivion in the process, while Eastern Europe faints at its 2% of GDP commitment to NATO. Pull the other one. It is clear as a bell where we stand. We are not fools, though you have long thought so. That self-delusion is about to depart.


Berlin: 'What you need are brains, not warriors'

We have both. We need allies. We have some. We need more.

You disparage UK and France for sending CZ and Poland up the river.

Did you ever stop to thing that door swings both ways? Where are those invisible CZ, Polish and German troops you spoke of that were supposedly assisting the US? What a joke. What a hypocrite.

The US was attacked from Afghanistan. That you deny what is obvious to every impartial eye is fresh evidence of the defeated mentality bred in you by your elders since the end of WW II. WAKE UP! It's a new day. You can hide in your early-twentieth century Eurocentric geopolitical constructs til the cows come home, but it won't change the complexion of what is happening now, and the destiny of nations, including your own.

So go ahead, pull the other one. Tell us how the US is a war monger, while you curl up in your cocoon of US guaranteed sea-lanes, US guaranteed NATO protection and US-payed for, -maintained and -monitored world peace.

You truly are not worth the candle.


>>"As long as there are men there will be war. "<<

Well...wars need to be affordable. And you are already overtaxing yourself with these fourth world countries without any army to speak of.

No thought about any half way comparable chance.

And if I knew that this would be the opinion of the majority of your people I would really come to think it would be better we part ways.

As it is I believe the NATO as it is is a relict of another time and either has to change or to be abandoned.
The majority of Europeans don't want to go to war whereever it the current US government thinks having to go.

For us war is a thing of the past.

If you want german warriors you should have kept some SS-Divisions!


>>"I know, it's just that you've not been around long enough to realise that Charlemagne board debates always end up in the same way: discussing WWII."<<


I wonder why!
Sometimes I think it is because the current power structures have changed so drastically in the decades after the war and then again after the wall of the iron curtain.

And that many people posting here had been grown up in another time, where it was clear who was the goodie, who was the baddie, who won and who lost...well...that all changed now.

I have no other explanation.



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