from typing import List


def order_and_station(order_list: List[dict], order_name: str, station_name: str) -> tuple:
    """ Return an index-tuple containing the index of an order, and the index of a specific station used in it.

    If the order does not exist, or the order does not contain the specific station (-1,-1) ist returned
    """

    for order_index, order in enumerate(order_list):
        if order['name'] == order_name:
            for station_index, station in enumerate(order['station']):
                if station == station_name:
                    return order_index, station_index

    return -1, -1